Well I was…. Just back from a few days off, well, had roulette stuff in my head… and build a new strategy for my bot.
Then I started to test and tweak… and then I got this….
I never had seen a graph like this…. This is to get scary…. Really scary…
Another scary thing to mention… the same graph shows on, life spins â€"
different casinos, RNG- different casinos and random generated nbrs
Include also a zoom in on the graph
have you tried with ACTUAL spins, that would tell you more IMHO.......
O0
hello
ex^lain your holy grail on the forum
post it here and we will tell you if you have the holly grail
It seems to be really steep rise of the profit according this graph.
I hope this is what the graphs show...but the last time I saw graphs like that there was a math error on a negative progression method that failed to account for the losing bets on the win at the end of each attack.
So it would be playing 7 numbers at 16 units per number and then a win was counted as 560u for the win... without taking into account the 96u lost on the other 6 numbers at the spin where it won. Over a ton of spins it made the difference between massive profitability and actual losses.
That being said...I'm pulling for you to have the real deal :thumbsup:
I can only say its a line strategy...
I need more testing, and i need to check the code... my self also again.. to be good to be true.
I did a short play with DB in test mode... same result.
well assuming you have RX why not download 50,000 spins from there & run them ??
After checking your code again of course :thumbsup:
a short play @ DB means nothing, but I'm guessing you already know that !!!!
O0
scared? i would order a gallardo! :thumbsup:
I would order champagne!
I would tell the wife to pack her cases! :xd:
Yo, Bob! Would you finally get that nose job?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 16, 04:30 PM 2013
Yo, Bob! Would you finally get that nose job?
What size of grail are we talking about here?
Amazing, how, if you study them close enough, graphs can be quite revealing!
[reveal]
Oh......did you think I was going to 'reveal' something? LoL
[reveal]
Well, alright then.........maybe just a little!
[reveal]
................he isn't betting every spin! and.....
[reveal]
ok...........that's enough revealing for one night.......maybe more tomorrow!
(clue........get your magnifying glasses out!)
[/reveal]
[/reveal]
[/reveal]
[/reveal]
Did another test with 89038 spins... same result....
I would ditch my wife and buy 10 wives from 10 different Eastern European countries.
I wonder how many PM's Peter has received since he started this Topic bar. Lots I suspect. :wink:
I have emailed him, so I'm just as interested.
spin...
is this playable in the casino or just with the bot?
bets can lay down by hand before nmb call?
what is your unit size?
History has shown that charts such as those displayed up until now in this thread will generally wind up with a programming error that somehow escaped the original writer.
It will interesting to see how this plays out.
AD
How scared would you be if you found… the holy grail?...
It's a bit scary at first, but after a while you get used to it, and just end up using it whenever you need the extra cash.
:thumbsup:
OK, if no one else will, I'll ask: How much?
By the way, you will have to change your screen name. You can no longer Spin4Fun as you will be making mega bucks.
OK, Smurfs...........contest here!!!
Let's find a new name for Spin!!
My submission: DunFoundIt
Samster
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
Seriously, how much? I'm losing it all in the market anyway. TwoCatSam@cox.net
Good for you Spin :)
Watch for countermeasures from the casinos (including banning).
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 17, 02:19 AM 2013
Good for you Spin :)
Watch for countermeasures from the casinos (including banning).
I hope you all understand, in case its not a programming error, I will not reveal it, because otherwise the grail is doomed... and probably also roulette ::)
F it your right but there are several grails on this sight!
Let a few test out the theory................and see how scared we can get.
I have bought in extra toilet rolls, just in case........... :-X
Show us your withdrawals using this system:)
Well, if nothing else, its dominating the forum, and crystallizing minds into one solid thought........? :question:
"Should I also throw the wife out tonight?".............................. :P
[reveal]
I don't know what she has done though!!!!
[/reveal]
Spin4Fun needs help with in, not matter what it turns out to be.
I have so many positive upward trending graphs in my computer, but its
totally different when you come to face the real music against the casino with what ever you have!!
(and that's even if it turns out to be an error)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 17, 02:19 AM 2013
Watch for countermeasures from the casinos (including banning).
I would be fine as long as I changed the bag every so often.
Oh wait a minute! :(
This is how the strategy performs as it can be found on this forum.
I don't understand Spin,
This method is already on the forum ?
yes, but the graph above show how it normally performs, i only added 1 small change.
Hello Spin
Are you referring to speedy gonzalez?
Thanks and Regards
No, its a much older system/post
Spin, thank you very much for your prompt reply.
Regards & Best wishes
Spin
Can I ask why you don't just tell us your tweak? Others here post up their methods and tweaks without hesitation, so that others can share and improve.
You've got a fair few posts now but you don't want people to think your one of these 'grail teasers'
In all my excitement, it would be better not to have post this. Its too good to be true, so need to check the code and do a real test.
Ok, how about this for a clue. Could you tell us who posted the original system?
Quote from: buffalowizard on Aug 17, 06:34 AM 2013
Spin
Can I ask why you don't just tell us your tweak? Others here post up their methods and tweaks without hesitation, so that others can share and improve.
You've got a fair few posts now but you don't want people to think your one of these 'grail teasers'
LOL....Phase 1 is over which was "well done mate (Im going to be dead nice or he may not tell me what it is)
Now its in Phase 2: "just tell me what the f^&*in system is"
Phase 3 will be Chinese burns and dead-legs
Quote from: Turner on Aug 17, 06:54 AM 2013
LoL....Phase 1 is over which was "well done mate (I'm going to be dead nice or he may not tell me what it is)
Now its in Phase 2: "just tell me what the f^&*in system is"
Phase 3 will be Chinese burns and dead-legs
Turner :twisted: :twisted:
I really love your sense of humour
Its like mine
we really should get out and have a couple of pints one evening LoL
Dave.
Its a line bet system and has +10k views in this forum
maybe 143
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13177.msg113568#msg113568
(I think)
Graph looks similar to the one mentioned.
What we do know is that it is a Lines bet, and its bet on more than one line!
Quote from: D1 on Aug 17, 06:56 AM 2013
Turner :twisted: :twisted:
I really love your sense of humour
Its like mine
we really should get out and have a couple of pints one evening LoL
Dave.
keep laughing Dave...it releases serotonin.....LoL...
and yes...you spotted the reference to a new kid at school with an expensive toy.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 17, 07:15 AM 2013
keep laughing Dave...it releases serotonin.....LoL...
and yes...you spotted the reference to a new kid at school with an expensive toy.
Yep
I try to find things to laugh at all day long
If I fail I just laugh at myself
always works lol.....
Since u can code, code and play it in bv and run it 24/7. Then you know if it's the Holy grail.
@ chrisbis
I don't think this method had +10k views.....
You would need to search for a +10K view thread...
I just don't have the time to do that. Who has...
Just have to sympathise with Turner ;-)
Have a nice Day
Ray
How about Atlantis's " Line Combo Bet".
@ buffalowizzard
QuoteI would ditch my wife and buy 10 wives from 10 different Eastern European countries.
I see you love to take risk ;-)
Just leave out the Romanians , the Hungarians, the Ukrains, especially don't take Moskau or St. Petersburg ;-)
Even with this so called Holy Grail, you couldn't make so much money to support one of them ;-)
Keep your wife and just think about leasing them :twisted:
Ray
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 17, 05:42 AM 2013
This is how the strategy performs as it can be found on this forum.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7482.0
Let's just crank it up to phase 4 which is basically phase 1 but with added bitterness
I love a challenge. The tweak if am right is either waiting for 3 unique lines or 3 virtual losses. But only spin4fun can confirm
Wow...more posts than in one month
I found the said post...the said system and author....the said Spin4fun comments.
and it wasnt Old man Rivers
don't speak for me please....I've just scan read every post he's made and never an aggressive personal comment in all of them
So for the record...don't include me in that.
Lots of desperation on this thread...
No sorry
don't include me either
Yes of course i would love to know what it is as all of the rest of us would but like so many people before who have not published what they find it is there own right to do so I'm afraid.
One thing for sure though
certainly got the forum lively again
Quote from: D1 on Aug 17, 09:02 AM 2013
No sorry
don't include me either
Yes of course i would love to know what it is as all of the rest of us would but like so many people before who have not published what they find it is there own right to do so I'm afraid.
One thing for sure though
certainly got the forum lively again
Dave what I think he is trying to say is ,if you have something and its working and want to keep it for yourself then don't throw something that you have picked from the forum and say well I don't think I will post it here just in case it's worth millions,you know we have been Down this road before,nothing good comes out of it .
Quote from: warrior on Aug 17, 09:08 AM 2013
Dave what I think he is trying to say is ,if you have something and its working and want to keep it for yourself then don't throw something that you have picked from the forum and say well I don't think I will post it here just in case it's worth millions,you know we have been Down this road before,nothing good comes out of it .
Hi Tino
agree with what you say but in my opinion wrongly worded
Dave.
abusive remarks removed. sorry if i deleted some posts with the quote
Quote from: iggiv on Aug 17, 09:16 AM 2013
abusive remarks removed. sorry if i deleted some posts with the quote
the quote was still in mine...i edited it
How about Hermes' 6x6 Double-Street System as the original system?
And If anyone is severly depressed just follow the link below
:.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
We've tried almost every conceivable method on this forum and have come to realize that your graphs can't be valid. Without money management, stop loss, win target, self discipline, patience etc... no system can win in the long run (or maybe every system could win in the long run).
Dear Spin4fun, just tell me what your tweak is and I'll let you know if you should do re-check on your coding. >:D Maybe let another coder look at it. You know how we can sometimes overlook something obvious right in front of our noses.
If I decide it's for real, we'll meet up in the Bahamas for a c***tail and make a pact to destroy everything that's been written about this system and swear to never play it again. This is to save our lives! You know how many lives have been destroyed by huge financial windfalls! :lol:
GLC
Quote from: Turner on Aug 17, 08:34 AM 2013
Wow...more posts than in one month
I found the said post...the said system and author....the said Spin4fun comments.
and it wasn't Old man Rivers
Proof no one reads anything I post..lol
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12200.msg106579#msg106579
"We've tried almost every conceivable method on this forum and have come to realize that your graphs can't be valid.", said George From Arizona.
Now, George, I don't know if he has the "Grail" or not, but how can you make a definitive statement like that? I've never worked with Rx, but I have with Super Roulette and I know the graphs were accurate. I posted many over the years. Some people said I was faking the graphs--until I posted one that showed the system tanking. They always believed that one!!
TwoCat
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7482.msg68119#msg68119
Smurfs
If it is the above, he would surely have had to tweak it. I bought a sheet for the Excelbot and it worked wonderfully for a while and then tanked. The problem: Repeating streets you are not betting on.
It bets the streets which have slept for 12 spins. Maybe he increased the sleep-time to 20 or more. Anyway, you get an array like this: 2 3 4 7 and 10. Those streets did not hit during the last 12 spins. Then, while betting, the 1 hits, the 5 hits, the 6 hits and so on. Soon you hit your loss limit and start over and the whole process repeats.
Ideas for tweaks, anyone?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 17, 10:28 AM 2013
"We've tried almost every conceivable method on this forum and have come to realize that your graphs can't be valid.", said George From Arizona.
Now, George, I don't know if he has the "Grail" or not, but how can you make a definitive statement like that? I've never worked with Rx, but I have with Super Roulette and I know the graphs were accurate. I posted many over the years. Some people said I was faking the graphs--until I posted one that showed the system tanking. They always believed that one!!
TwoCat
Sam, The graphs are 50,000 spins winning 2 units per spin for +$100,000. Okay, maybe he doesn't bet every spin and maybe he's using $25 units, but still that's one heck of a win ratio.
I'd be tickled pink if there were no mistakes and this is "It". I've just been down similar roads before only to get kicked in the face while old man roulette just laughed and laughed as I lay on the ground with half my teeth knocked out. That wheel is one heartless opponent.
Bird, Cow, Cat parable:
Not everyone who drops shit on you is your enemy.
Not everyone who pulls you out of shit is your friend.
And when you’re warm and happy in your pile of shit, keep your mouth shut!
George
I see what you mean. I only looked at the upswing, not how it swung up.
But again, over 50K spins, the graph will bunch up so it's hard to see what's happening. Tiago put an enlarger in the Super Roulette graphs so you could isolate 100 or 1,000 spins and see them up close. Then there was no disputing what was happening.
But you're right--anyway you slice it it does seem highly unlikely.
Sorry for the unwarranted criticism. For my punishment, I will read Kimo Li's post ten times.
Sam
EDIT: I guess ol' Spin is not a scammer. He has not offered to sell it to me. Frankly, I'm pulling for him to have the "Holy Grail". I just hope he remembers the "little people". :'(
Quote from: Turner on Aug 17, 10:11 AM 2013
Proof no one reads anything I post..LoL
I disagree with this post my friend!!
I love your posts. Most of them anyway.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Aug 17, 11:12 AM 2013
I disagree with this post my friend!!
I love your posts. Most of them anyway.
GLC
An endorsement if I ever heard one....
Here we go down the yellow brick road to the fabled Emerald City...
Looks like I got the wrong Ignatus post then.......so glad someone was on the ball,
though, like I said to someone, I had to go bathroom shopping!(tiles, tiles, and more Tiles!)
So............where are we with the analysis on this one then? Anyone cracked it?
Lines bet.
Not bet every spin.
Has negative progression on a loss.
Produces holy grail looking Grail.
Wears lipstick on Wednesdays.
Can sustain variety of casino numbers.
Possible end of life as we know it Jim.
Passed 10k views in a members forum.
Anyone??
and its bringing the big guns out too!!
I think you talked about this topic.
QuoteTopic: ATTENTION ! Street system that passed 10.000 spins! (Read 14953 times)
on: September 22, 2011, 12:11:13 PM »
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7482.0
Well its lines winning 2u so its 4 lines based on ignatus tracker...but there is another system sam mentions in that post im not familiar with
Well I thought It was this one
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7482.0
It had 14595 views
@spin4fun
How about you show us the chart of the first 100 numbers and also show us the actual numbers. At least this way we can have a fighting chance of breaking your CODE ( of silence ).
Also, I'm not much of a math guy, but did you CARRY the 1 when you added all this up ?
Thanks
Buffster
Quote from: D1 on Aug 17, 12:55 PM 2013
Well I thought It was this one
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7482.0
It had 14595 views
Its just the graph and comment in this post is in that post..a simple deduction my dear watson
Quote from: Turner on Aug 17, 01:21 PM 2013
Its just the graph and comment in this post is in that post..a simple deduction my dear watson
Hey Turner
you have to remember I can get lost even using a sat nav lol
Graph means nothing ,look at my illuminati system had a guy do 100000 spins played first time at casino well that's all I will say.
Quote from: warrior on Aug 17, 04:24 PM 2013
Graph means nothing ,look at my illuminati system had a guy do 100000 spins played first time at casino well that's all I will say.
warrior....I mean the graph Spin4fun shows in this thread is the graph in the post he was hinting about....hence...thats the post he tweaked.
Anyone done any work on a suggested bet selection and a tweak?
Quote from: D1 link=topic=13347.msg115165#msg115165
date=1376758517
Well I thought It was this one
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7482.0
It had 14595 views
Do not add units when you win. (+1)
U mean stay at the same unit level on a Win?
Hmmmm...ok.....I will take that one!
Come on folks, what are our options.
How many lines bet.
Why we bet.
What are the triggers.
How do we 'move' the bet and when
How does the MM manifest itself
?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 17, 04:56 PM 2013
Anyone done any work on a suggested bet selection and a tweak?
I cant link ignatus average distance tracker to lines. what can you do with lines to stop them doing what they do in every single system.
If its a hoax or similar....it has made me think of an idea...so good has come of it.
Surely Shirley they maybe a correlation between distance of a Line result to the next Line result, whether that be an average distance, and actual distance of a relative distance.
Maybe we have to give the Resultant Line landing a values, and measure that value against the next landing?
I struggle making the connection to lines as well. But every time we have a directional move, it is actually 2 separate distances, CW and CCW. We can't logically average those two, as it will always be 18, so we would have to make a choice between the two. Then he suggests that we apply that distance to both directions though. I was thinking that we could reduce the 36 down to 12 by taking the distance within a dozen (or column) and calculating distances each time we got a hit in that particular dozen. The payouts would be solid if the method applied equally well to the dozens (which I don't see why it wouldn't). Since we have a hit every time in one of the 3 dozens, if we have 2 numbers in each of the dozens, there should be a solid chance of hitting fairly big fairly often. Just a thought.
I like your thoughts Colbster.
If spin4funs done nothing else...hes got us talking as a collective...which is rare.
Im enjoying it a lot
Quote from: Turner on Aug 17, 05:49 PM 2013
...he's got us talking as a collective...
Oh no! I will not be assimilated!
Sorry Turner you said "collective" and I just thought of the Borg...although I don't know why as I haven't watched a Star Trek episode or movie for years...
Reading through Spins thoughts on the original post (to see how his thinking evolved), he comments on the progression being what makes it. Have I missed it in this thread, or has he declared if he is flatbetting or using a progression?
Progressed.
As declared in another place. :thumbsup:
And a Lines bet..........& more than 1 Line
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 17, 06:16 PM 2013
Progressed.
As declared in another place. :thumbsup:
And a Lines bet..........& more than 1 Line
am i wrong or did GLC announce (happy?) it was wins of 2u from the graph....hence 4 lines?
denounce or announce?
yes he did mention.
progression on 4 Lines is horrendous though You know!!
Your covering 66% of the table (excluding Zero)
So..........leads me to think 2 lines, or Max 3 lines, as an EC bet!
Hey Spin,
I see your in here with us, you enjoying this I bet!
Got any more clues to dish out - feeling generous? :D
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Aug 17, 06:06 PM 2013
Oh no! I will not be assimilated!
Sorry Turner you said "collective" and I just thought of the Borg...although I don't know why as I haven't watched a Star Trek episode or movie for years...
No need to explain a bad joke RX.....I suffer from a Pun based mental illness.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 17, 06:45 PM 2013
denounce or announce?
yes he did mention.
progression on 4 Lines is horrendous though You know!!
Your covering 66% of the table (excluding Zero)
So..........leads me to think 2 lines, or Max 3 lines, as an EC bet!
If you dont stop correcting my complete lack of grammar skills...I will stop laughing at your terrible puns (which will be difficult because of the aforementioned pun illness)
BTW...I tried lines based on unique ignatus 2 numbers...which includes not betting every spin like...1.6 forinstance..and it did well then died...like all line bets. +1 progression.
i expected nothing else having tried random selection of 2 lines...and every other line bet in the universe...
Must be an Inverse rule then!
Lot of members viewing, but not many people actually commenting.
How do we get everyone involved in this, so that many "collective" minds solve the problem?
An interesting equation in the second place!
(and yes, I have had a drink!) :P
@Chris
So you want some collective thoughts. Well all this got my juices flowing, but in a different direction.
We're going to play the streets ( 3 numbers ) using the last 12 spins as a reference.
You only play on 4 or 7.
If you have 4 unhit streets in last 12 then bet the 4 unhit streets. (same side)
If you have 5 unhit streets in last 12 then bet the 7 hitted streets. (opposite side)
Anything other than 4 or 5 unhit streets you don't bet.
As for a progression use 11 as reference. Add up lost bet units and divide by 11 and bet the rounded result per street.
On a new high reset everything.
OK now this has not been tested ... only in my head ( what a headache )
So go at it guys and gals.
Buffster
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 17, 07:17 PM 2013
Lot of members viewing, but not many people actually commenting.
I could comment but it would probably get deleted anyway... ^-^
If I were to play streets based on the last 12 spins I would play it just like this...
It's so hard to set tone in a post, text or email...but this will help put things in perspective...this is where you cue the David Lee Roth music video for "Just a Gigolo" link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-4lX0QyZc somewhere around the 1:10/1:14 mark till 1:34ish
Any street that repeats within a 12 spin tracking window we start betting with 1 unit for up to 12 spins...if it wins before that we double the bet for another 12 spins or until a win....after the positive progression attack has ended by losing out in 12 spins or winning...you are done with that attack.
After any loss we start with a FIBO progression...FIBO being used per attack, not on the individual spins within the 12 spins attack. (1,1,2,3,5, and so on) With the FIBO a RFH doesn't destroy you and with a 12 spin stop-loss and a positive progression after a win you have some profit to take.
You play multiple qualifying attacks concurrently...just pick up the negative progression on the next qualifying street after the loss run has completed.
Oh yeah...forgot this little add-on...if one number was both hits qualifying the street...I absolutely play that single number straight up throughout the duration of the attack as well...how many units on the single number depends on bankroll. The other play would obviously be that if it were two different numbers qualifying the street do you play the 2 hits or play the sleeper? Personal preference there I guess. I would personally go with the 2 hits in the first attack and if I got a win go with the sleeper for positive progression play along with whichever number hit twice in the three hits I just played.
Quote from: Turner link=topic=13347.msg115191#msg115191 date=13767,79444
am i wrong or did GLC announce (happy?) it was wins of 2u from the graph....hence 4 lines?
Just to set the record straight, I didn't mean to imply that the graph was produced by betting any type of bet. I was just stating that the graph represented 50,000 spins with 100,000 units won. I mis-read the graph and thought it said $100,000 which it doesn't. I only pointed out that it represented 2 units won for every spin. Whether or not it represents a bet for each spin I can't tell.
It could be a bet like some of Ken's where he only bets every 3 or 4 spins, who knows?
I think we need another hint or two to narrow it down more.
What do you say spinner ole buddy, pal, mate, chum, pee, etc...etc...etc... any more hints you want to share with us?
P.S. I forgot "cobber"
Resistance is futile!
Hey guys. Seeing the time and energy spent on this puzzle is admirable. (I wished Spin4Fun did not initiate this and simply posted his system with the tweak. His actions were not cooperative.)
I wanted to add input: How about a 'Touching Neighbor's' approach: When two neighbors since the start of tracking finally touch, bet the two streets associated with it. Example:
...(Euro wheel)--...0,25,8,9,2-Numbers two and 25 are touching
Bet s1-3 and s25-27 with progression 1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2 (stop)
Or if during tracking you get two streets that hit side by side that could be a playable line.
Example: 1,31,9,12 (trigger)
Bet s7-9, s10-12 for up to six spins.
you don´t have to be scared at all.
you can publish it and no one will believe, most of the readers will put you down for being an idiot.
telling you have something and don´t publishing it, means your a seller and scammer.
btw. check your software. I had these lines one my graphs many times. The mistake? I did add the win but didn´t subtrack the bet.
Why the hell do all forums jump on these "guess what I have"- posts. It´s been prooved that it is all fake ever since.
br
winkel
Could be right here Winkel.....you could be right...... :-X
For now though, we will give Mr Peter from Belgium the benefit of the doubt, and hope he drops in from
carting, and places another juicy morsel of a clue our way, and we can go about our business so!
(proving or disproving that is.)
At least the forum Recent topics have diluted a little now, as other posters how their own fresh ideas.
I do love a good fresh idea on a Sunday Morning.
Cheers all.
Why the hell do all forums jump on these "guess what I have"- posts. It´s been prooved that it is all fake ever since.
Winkel....look at the recent stats for this site. At least people are posting and talking. I tend to stay out of posts that i don't believe in to save myself from looking negative...or go start a new post on something I've been working on.
No point in telling people who love Marmite that it tastes like sh*t.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 18, 05:29 AM 2013
No point in telling people who love Marmite that it tastes like sh*t.
...Bu it
does taste like sh*t!
Quote from: Blood Angel on Aug 18, 06:49 AM 2013
...Bu it does taste like sh*t!
hahahahahahahahahahaha
couldnt agree with you more ;D
i love the Marmite TV AD....one member of the family eating marmite is grimacing and really doesnt get it. even Marmite accept it can taste like sh*t in the wrong hands.
Why does this remind me of John Legend?
Quote from: Turner on Aug 18, 05:29 AM 2013
Why the hell do all forums jump on these "guess what I have"- posts. It´s been prooved that it is all fake ever since.
No point in telling people who love Marmite that it tastes like sh*t.
I didn´t do that. I justed asked, why they always jump on a dead Horse. OK, billions of flies can´t be wrong. Sorry.
Proof
I went to bed last night thinking the same thing. I think we all know Jl will return.
What is Marmite and if it's that bad, why do people eat it? Who eats it?
Sam
Sam,
Marmite is a yeast based thing. People either mix it with hot water as a drink or, more popular, is to spread it on Toast or Bread.
It really is something that you either seem to love or hate.
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite
Sam,
If you want to know what Marmite is...
Go to 6min 40sec on here. ;D
link:://youtu.be/NB0HGr2Fz2E
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 18, 08:53 AM 2013
Proof
I went to bed last night thinking the same thing. I think we all know Jl will return.
What is Marmite and if it's that bad, why do people eat it? Who eats it?
Sam
probably the two explorers in the aldi advert he was delicious
Still waiting for the method. If the mistery will be revelated one day.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 18, 08:53 AM 2013
What is Marmite and if it's that bad, why do people eat it? Who eats it?
Sam
Hi Sam,
You might want to look at this, Marmite is one of those things you either love it or hate it :)
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3omoMkysI (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3omoMkysI)
Thanks
malcop
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 18, 08:04 AM 2013
Why does this remind me of John Legend?
Thats a good shout proof
if this looks like leg pulling probably we will close this thread or even remove it. Maybe i will ask Steve what he thinks about this thread because i am not so sure how to treat it.
But if Spin4Fun gives some serious info on his winnings (or should i say "winnings"?) and this thread becomes real useful we will continue discussing here.
Once there used to be an unwritten rule "put up or shut up". Too many loud claims which ended up as nada.
Some even as a pure scam.
But whatever it is -- serious or joke or whatever else-- folks, it's not a reason to get abusive. Let's keep it cool and friendly.
thanks for understanding
:)
I don't know how many times I've posted the following:
As long as there are numbers that will cause you to lose if they spin, and there are always numbers that can hurt us no matter where we put our units on the table, eventually, with random results, these losing numbers will hit often enough, close enough together to not allow a graph like the one posted at the beginning of this topic. At least not for 50,000 spins.
I don't think tracking, triggers, etc... can work well enough to counter the above reality.
Maybe the right progression for the bet method can be devised that will survive the downturns for this system to allow us to stay within the table limits and our bankroll until a recovery. (I have to include the last sentence to justify my life for the last few years) :LoL:
My suspicion is that there's an error in the code. If not and the winning factor is the bet method, (it would have to be) we should be able to adapt the bet method to other systems to good advantage. This is why I'm hoping Spin4fun will join back in the fray and give us a little more help.
What do you say Spin?
GLC
P.S. The other possibility is "remote viewing".
Where is Ed Dames when you need him...would fit right into the negative expectation side of this whole equation (roulette in general not talking about "grails" with Major Dames)
Quote from: iggiv on Aug 18, 11:11 AM 2013
if this looks like leg pulling probably we will close this thread or even remove it. Maybe i will ask Steve what he thinks about this thread because i am not so sure how to treat it.
But if Spin4Fun gives some serious info on his winnings (or should i say "winnings"?) and this thread becomes real useful we will continue discussing here.
Once there used to be an unwritten rule "put up or shut up". Too many loud claims which ended up as nada.
Some even as a pure scam.
But whatever it is -- serious or joke or whatever else-- folks, it's not a reason to get abusive. Let's keep it cool and friendly.
thanks for understanding
:)
why don't you shut this down nothing to do with roulette.
Why Spin always watching us, but does not participate in the discussion.
I agree with George.
Random will begin to beat you no matter what you do. Then you say, "Well, Mr. Random-Shandom, I'll just discontinue betting and come back later when you have your head on straight."
The words of Ronjo keep coming back to me: "Why stand there and take a beating?"
Many times, when random is beating the Excelbot, I just shut 'er down for a few hours and re-start it. It's almost like a whole new world.
enuf.....
TwoCat
P.S. Don't kill the thread. If nothing else, it's interesting!
It's probably just a coincidence, but 7 days ago i have sent my best roulette system "created by me" to Spin4Fun
to test if it was a winner in the long term thanks to its software, after an initial response where I was confirmed that in the first phase of testing was a winner, I no longer received a response from spin4fun, maybe it's just a coincidence or maybe not ..
but my system is designed to work on quad (4 numbers) but it is easily adaptable to lines, if you want I can expose the system on the forum to see if it is a winner in the long run.
Thanks ;)
the plot thickens...
Please 'expose' Winner3..........we are all adults in here, and can take a little exposure now and again!
George & Sam, have you two taken those tablets we talked about!??!... :lol:
Good.......then let the expose' begin
We await.......................................... 8)
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 18, 04:31 PM 2013
Please 'expose' Winner3..........we are all adults in here, and can take a little exposure now and again!
George & Sam, have you two taken those tablets we talked about!??!... :LoL:
Good.......then let the expose' begin
We await.......................................... 8)
Hey Chris
speak for yourself
I might be 47 but Im not an adult lol
First of all I must warn you of my bad english.
This is the original system : it is not easy to explain if you have any questions do them.
010203
040506
---------
070809
101112
---------
131415
161718
---------
192021
222324
---------
252627
282930
---------
313233
343536
you have to wait that comes out the last line (6 numbers) and attack the
corresponding quad, in this example :
4
12
5
23
1
17
25
31 (the last line in this sequence) numbers : 31-32-33-34-35-36 you bet the
quad 32-33-35-36 for 9 spins
if you win retrack if you lose after 9 spins retrack with the same system but
bet 2 units on the new quad. if you lose a 9 spins cycle +1 if you win -1 if
you are positive resets everything and start again from 1.
33
21
5
10 (the last line in sequence) numbers : 07-08-09-10-11-12 you bet the quad 08-
09-11-12
let me know what you think, if you do not understand something please contact
me.
Easy enough to understand :thumbsup:
So you are leaving out the split which has awakened when the bet is triggered.
Let's say you get...
11
06
18
23
30
32
So would you play the 31/34 and 33/36 for the next 9 spins?
cheers
Hi, yes ugly bob you have understood perfectly, yes in this case you can bet on the split 31/34 and 33/36 or you can bet
on the correspondig Street for 12 spins (Street 34-35-36).
The system can be modified to focus on the line in your case you can bet the line 31/36 for 6 spins applying the same progression explained above.
Thanks
but spin4 fun is referring to an old system with 10000 views...or he is trying to fool us...
thanks for sharing winner anyway :thumbsup:
Yes, thank you winner3.
It's generous of you to share your idea with us.
I have always been of the idea that it is right to share :thumbsup:
if you want to test in the long run you will notice that the numeric selection is very stable and does not let us have a large drawdown.
wow sounds a bit like a system nicks building me on my specifications...its not quite finished yet and we have a few bugs to sort out but heres a screen shot of the play today while i was out....some bets need sorting and some overruns and triggers are being sorted now ..just bugs really but as you can see drawdown is big but it recovered...when its finally finished i,ll give another screenshot win or lose....S-L-S....is sectors streets and lines and very similar apart from triggers of this bet winner has made
Winner
I think I invented the Quad.....please feel free to correct me...LoL
But arnt quads 0-9, 10-18, 19-27, 28-36 ?you mean corners ?
hi, my first idea when i heard lines was about flatino bet link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9638.0
yeah i thought it was to follow last 4 double streets after 4 unique ones show----but who knows ? only the spin for fun man does---its a whodunnit!!!
Look like I was carried away with posting the results and maybe i need to think more about the reactions it would get.
First off all, I was almost the whole weekend away, race weekend, had a lot of technical issues during practice and today race day turned way different out, weather wise, but secured a 3th place, so not bad, where yesterday I would be happy just to finish. So sorry guys, yes there is a life outside the forum. Maybe I did show online, but that’s because I have multi devices running where I’m always online.
So the question is, what’s the holy grail… we only know it for less than 1000 years and loads of people have spend their life looking for it. But I guess everybody is looking for the Holy Grail in some way… pure happiness, love, friendship, health, immortality, wealth,…. And if you find it you can have a happy life.
But what’s the holy grail, immortality or a big mountain of gold,… but the problem probably is, if you would find it, you probably would be extreme unhappy and never could use it or you would be cursed to use it…
And it’s the same if the holy grail exists for roulette, you are faced with the same issue, if you share it.. it would mean that casinos will track it and will block you, or make changes to the rule so it will become unplayable or would mean the end of roulette.
I'm sure this will get again loads of negative loaded reactions, but some reaction will make sure the holy grail will not be revealed/found on a forum.
So if the grail exists, then it must stay a secret… and used extreme careful…
I will let my programmers take a look again to the code and see if there is a issue yes or no.
42 people watching this topic........must be a record.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 18, 06:04 PM 2013
, if you share it.. it would mean that casinos will track it and will block you, or make changes to the rule so it will become unplayable or would mean the end of roulette.
I agree!
Anyway, looking at your graph, I'm thinking that this is probably what you're doing (shown below). I'd need to do some testing to find out. Not asking for clues or anything like that. I respect your choice here.
a) Select the 2 LINES (Double Streets) that have 2 or more hits within the past 6 spins (past 6?).
b) If only one LINE has repeated within the past 6 spins, wait till you have 2 of them with 2 or more hits.
c) Stop your bets whenever you have only one repeating LINE showing within the past 6 spins.
Progression: go up 1 unit for every loss.
Be honest now Spin4fun...cos old Turner has been doing some dirty digging on your typing style, and how you joined 4 days after some one else with your writing style was banned....who had admitted being someone else with the same style...
Master of Pockets.....AKA Roulette Explorer...AKA...you!
And yes....I admit... I am the other one with the same repeating full stop infliction.
I could be wrong.... :twisted:
Quote from: Carsch on Aug 18, 06:27 PM 2013
I agree!
Anyway, looking at your graph, I'm thinking that this is probably what you're doing (shown below). I'd need to do some testing to find out. Not asking for clues or anything like that. I respect your choice here.
a) Select the 2 LINES (Double Streets) that have 2 or more hits within the past 6 spins (past 6?).
b) If only one LINE has repeated within the past 6 spins, wait till you have 2 of them with 2 or more hits.
c) Stop your bets whenever you have only one repeating LINE showing within the past 6 spins.
Progression: go up 1 unit for every loss.
Wow Carsch, you know I have the utmost respect for your understanding of roulette and a couple of your posts are among my favorites of all times. Especially your tweak to the Star progression. Pure genius in my book.
But.....how you got the above system from the two graphs spin4fun posted is drifting into the realm of clairvoyance.
Although, I think the system you posted has some real merit whether it's spin4fun's system or not.
ok....its just another Turner "Im Spartacus" accusation....but an MO is an MO to a detective
Looks like i need to use a IP shield, so more people will think i'm somebody else.. surprised to see how many people think im somebody else...
To make confusion worse... that what the other people also have written... style of writing...
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 18, 06:04 PM 2013
...So if the grail exists, then it must stay a secret…
Looks like it's time to kill the thread, Iggiv.
I told you Spin4Fun was a D.......
Quote from: Skakus on Aug 18, 06:51 PM 2013
Looks like it's time to kill the thread, Iggiv.
I told you Spin4Fun was a D.......
Of which I owe you an apology Skakus
For what its worth, and that is probably nowt'......... I'm not sure we are going to get much more on the subject, tho, would be nice to see what others come up with.
I don't think... he is.... RE....
I use ..... a lot too......so sorry Sherlock T Holmes....maybe the scent is off tonight!
anyway..............
Domination! the new game to play in the forums!
There is only one person who says 'I will get my programmers to take a look' :wink:
Shirley not!
well I havent seen the place so lively for ages
but time for milk and cookies
Goodnight God Bless You and may your God go with you.....
Winning at roulette is much like roping a mouse. Go to 58 seconds in....
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QZ0HgIBGl1E
I don't know does he find the holy grail or not.. but I can surely tell that I have a system that passed bilion spins, biggest backdown recorded 1200 units, and after bilion spins in plus about 100 milion units.. and yes, I can't share that system because of, yeah, you understand, everyone here would use it, and I don't want to risk what will happen then.. all I can say that it uses one of GLCs parlay system and that I modifed it to use it on four streets.. I can't tell that it's holy grail, I just can tell that I earn about 50-100 units per day, that's enough for me ( playing on BV with 0.05 starting bet )..
Best regards to you all...
Quote from: GLC on Aug 18, 06:42 PM 2013
But.....how you got the above system from the two graphs spin4fun posted is drifting into the realm of clairvoyance.
LOL! :)
Well, from the graphs, here is what i came up with:
He's using a 2-LINE bet, this because his profit is 3 units per spin.
For every loss, he adds 1 unit to his bets (he lost 20 units in 4 spins....)
He stops betting and waits (usually from 1 to 3 spins) whether winning or losing (is he looking for a qualifier?)
He will bet, usually, no more than 4 spins.So, from this, I've been trying to figure out how he selects his LINES and what makes a qualifier. I've tried a few things, but what I've posted is what comes closer to what he may be doing, so I feel. It's just a thought, though.
When i saw the charts, the first thing I thought was "what are the betting limits"? ie if there are none, you can just use progression to win forever.
Quote from: boshkodj on Aug 18, 07:54 PM 2013
I don't know does he find the holy grail or not.. but I can surely tell that I have a system that passed bilion spins, biggest backdown recorded 1200 units, and after bilion spins in plus about 100 milion units.. and yes, I can't share that system because of, yeah, you understand, everyone here would use it, and I don't want to risk what will happen then.. all I can say that it uses one of GLCs parlay system and that I modifed it to use it on four streets.. I can't tell that it's holy grail, I just can tell that I earn about 50-100 units per day, that's enough for me ( playing on BV with 0.05 starting bet )..
Best regards to you all...
That's why I post so many different progressions. Someone may be able to use one of them or tweak one of them to fit their exact playing style/method/system.
It makes all the hours of typing worth while.
Thanks for the "shout out" Boshkodj. May you win forever! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Aug 18, 08:22 PM 2013
When i saw the charts, the first thing I thought was "what are the betting limits"? ie if there are none, you can just use progression to win forever.
In a real casino on a busy table good luck,spins take forever.
Quote from: Carsch on Aug 18, 08:04 PM 2013
LoL! :)
Well, from the graphs, here is what i came up with:
He's using a 2-LINE bet, this because his profit is 3 units per spin.
For every loss, he adds 1 unit to his bets (he lost 20 units in 4 spins....)
He stops betting and waits (usually from 1 to 3 spins) whether winning or losing (is he looking for a qualifier?)
He will bet, usually, no more than 4 spins.
So, from this, I've been trying to figure out how he selects his LINES and what makes a qualifier. I've tried a few things, but what I've posted is what comes closer to what he may be doing, so I feel. It's just a thought, though.
I take back the "clairvoyance" comment.
Quote from: winner3 on Aug 18, 04:40 PM 2013
First of all I must warn you of my bad English.
This is the original system : it is not easy to explain if you have any questions do them.
010203
040506
---------
070809
101112
---------
131415
161718
---------
192021
222324
---------
252627
282930
---------
313233
343536
you have to wait that comes out the last line (6 numbers) and attack the
corresponding quad, in this example :
4
12
5
23
1
17
25
31 (the last line in this sequence) numbers : 31-32-33-34-35-36 you bet the
quad 32-33-35-36 for 9 spins
if you win retrack if you lose after 9 spins retrack with the same system but
bet 2 units on the new quad. if you lose a 9 spins cycle +1 if you win -1 if
you are positive resets everything and start again from 1.
33
21
5
10 (the last line in sequence) numbers : 07-08-09-10-11-12 you bet the quad 08-
09-11-12
let me know what you think, if you do not understand something please contact
me.
. Nice one I will put some money down on this one next time I'm in a casino,? When you win do you look back at the last 6 spins an track right away or do you start from scratch.
So, Warrior, you look at the last six spins: 1 2 3 4 5 6 and bet the quad containing the 6? 2 3 5 6
What if you had this: 1 2 32 3 4 5........ The 5 appears in two quads.
Sam
Quote from: Carsch on Aug 18, 08:04 PM 2013
He's using a 2-LINE bet, this because his profit is 3 units per spin.
For every loss, he adds 1 unit to his bets (he lost 20 units in 4 spins....)
He stops betting and waits (usually from 1 to 3 spins) whether winning or losing (is he looking for a qualifier?)
Hmm, my calculation is wrong here........cause, if the pay off for a line bet is 5 units, and if i'm betting on two lines, the pay off should be 4 units.........not 3 as i calculated.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 18, 09:29 PM 2013
So, Warrior, you look at the last six spins: 1 2 3 4 5 6 and bet the quad containing the 6? 2 3 5 6
What if you had this: 1 2 32 3 4 5........ The 5 appears in two quads.
Sam
Sam I think he is referring to lines,if you get 123456 the last line is 6 and I think he says to bet on the 2 splits left over in that line ex.32 was the last number to come out and the last line,then put the 31 34 split and 33 36 split play for 9 spins,that's how I understood it.145 spin test 990 units profit 3 unit progression.once but as I win I look back 6 spins and track from there,well this will keep me busy .
OK, now I understand it and have a question: How could this possibly work any better than just randomly picking two splits?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 18, 11:48 PM 2013
OK, now I understand it and have a question: How could this possibly work any better than just randomly picking two splits?
im not sure .
You have to wait that comes out the last line (six
numbers) and attack the corresponding quad, in this example:
4
12
5
23
1
17
25
31 (the last line in this sequence)
------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm thinking you could bet the column split: (in this case it would be
31/34) for up to 18 spins and the other column split of the two when
it shows (with a drawdown of -36 units per one unit bet).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You could also bet the two column splits that did not hit on the
last line number. Example: #31--Bet 33/36 and 32/35 for up to nine spins.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 18, 11:48 PM 2013
OK, now I understand it and have a question: How could this possibly work any better than just randomly picking two splits?
It's a good question!
But like Turner suggests, perhaps this is where this regression to the mean stuff comes into it's own.
My personal preference would be not to give the splits 9 spins to appear. I would rather just give them 3 spins to either come out or not. I noticed loads of early wins and then you get times where you would lose 3 games back to back. This can get costly even on a +1 on a loss.
Roy Ward Dickson had a fairly similar approach. Although he bets for the same split to appear which triggered and gives it 3 spins. Of course this is the nemesis of the way winner3 is suggesting.
Thanks to all for the interest in my system :thumbsup:
The system is based on the theory of space-filling, in our case a two dimensional space, represented by a matrix 3x12
(the roulette table layout).
It would be interesting to see if there is someone here on the forum who can create a software able to test millions of boules using the indications given in the system.
Also the idea expressed by ugly bob is worth further.
Thank you in advance :)
Quote from: winner3 on Aug 19, 07:20 AM 2013
The system is based on the theory of space-filling,
Interesting theory :)
Quote from: winner3 on Aug 19, 07:20 AM 2013
It would be interesting to see if there is someone here on the forum who can create a software able to test millions of boules using the indications given in the system.
Are you using any progression at all? If not, I already have an excel tracker created which I can share, which can test more than a million spins limited to excel's abilities.
Thank you Priyanka, for your kindness.
Is necessary to apply a progression, +1 if you lose the 9 spins cycle and -1 if you win at any point on the 9 spins cycle,
if you were to find in surplus of just one chip reset the progression and restart with 1 unit bet.
Interestingly, the greater is the output delay of the last line more likely to end the cycle of 9 spins in win ..
Did the test in the manual for 450 spins. After winning missed 6 spins.
Here you go. Not tested properly, but you can use it I guess.. :xd:
The password for unlocking is "Goodluck" in case anyone needs to edit formulae.
- Yanks
Yanks
Maybe it's me, but I can't get this sheet to use all the numbers. Take a look.
Sam
winner3
Would you explain your concept of "space filling"?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 19, 09:18 AM 2013
Maybe it's me, but I can't get this sheet to use all the numbers. Take a look.
Sam its not you, I have done only for ~ 1000 rows so that the excel size is minimum. How many rows will you need? I can get it extended.
I'd want 5,000
Spins for testing.
Thank you very much Priyanka the latest tracker released work perfectly :twisted:
Go ahead and publish your test results, if after 1 millions spins you Always win with a decent capital (1000-2000 chips)
we will find ourselves in front of the holy grail :)
In a few days will give you a detailed explanation of the theory on the space-filling.
Thanks again for the good work Priyanka ::)
Will do when am done. But unfortunately I don't believe in grails. :twisted:
Hello winner3 good to meet you. :)
I wanted to state it was Winner3's
framework along with my tweak we have success.
You could also bet the two column splits that did not hit on the
last line number. Example: #31--Bet 33/36 and 32/35 for up to nine spins.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 19, 11:55 AM 2013
Hello winner3 good to meet you. :)
I wanted to state it was Winner3's
framework along with my tweak we have success.
You could also bet the two column splits that did not hit on the
last line number. Example: #31--Bet 33/36 and 32/35 for up to nine spins.
Proof, just to confirm the tracker does exactly as you have described above. I might have missed Winners original system
+106 units in 295 spins .. maximum drawdown -28 units.
Thanks :)
Just a quick question regarding the screenshot winner3 put up.
We have...
0
32
4
6
9
4
21
13 bet here 14/17, 15/18.
Are we still not waiting for the 5 line (25-30) to appear?
Thanks
Quote from: ugly bob on Aug 19, 02:19 PM 2013
Just a quick question regarding the screenshot winner3 put up.
Are we still not waiting for the 5 line (25-30) to appear?
Thanks
Yes you need a number from L25-30 to
appear first before betting two splits from that line.
Spot on! If number 0 is entered in the first line it considers it as a line. The rest of the position 0 coming is handled fine. So don't enter 0 if it spins first :)
+152 units total spins 585 max drawdown -28 units ..
you guys/girls have some results ? as you go?
Quote from: Priyanka on Aug 19, 03:04 PM 2013
Spot on! If number 0 is entered in the first line it considers it as a line. The rest of the position 0 coming is handled fine. So don't enter 0 if it spins first :)
Thank you very much Priyanka :thumbsup:
link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv# tisch 3
final results:
01.07.2013 -232
02.07.2013 +44
03.07.2013 +124
04.07.2013 +50
05.07.2013 +162
06.07.2013 -52
135 spins worth!
Well it seems that we all win :P
other session of 153 spins + 42 units max drawdown -16 units, max progression 2 ..
how you would convert it to lines?
Session from hell > BVNZ
Quote from: biagle on Aug 19, 04:34 PM 2013
how you would convert it to lines?
What's your question exactly? This is a bet involving two splits.
Yanks
You have created a very good sheet. Many thanks!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 19, 04:50 PM 2013
Yanks
You have created a very good sheet. Many thanks!
Sam
...and you snub me and Winner3? Shame on you.
The followers of this thread have been through
enough with Spin4Fun deserting. No snide remarks please...
Proof
Lighten up, Bro! I merely meant the mechanics of writing the actual Excel sheet. I could not reference the content of the sheet without testing. I have and it loses.
I politely asked Winner to explain the logic behind it. I feel there is none.
Sorry to be such a downer. The numbers I personally saved from SmartLive Auto Roulette. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe they need to be RNG or real spins by a human.
He (Spin4Fun) has not deserted........... :-X
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 19, 05:19 PM 2013
He (Spin4Fun) has not deserted........... :-X
Course not, he's loving it
How about this for an idea!
Start with 1 unit bets.
Go up 1 on a win. Down one on a loss.
Always restart when in profit.
Going up on losses never makes sense to me. Why throw more money at it when things are going against you?
Start with 1 unit bets. Go up 1 on a win. Down
one on a loss. Always restart when in profit.--Ugly Bob
Sounds good. Each new session (if the session won before it) go up
one unit. The thing is there is no guarantee the new session will win.
(Regardless of how many times the system won in the past)
There is nothing worse than using a negative progression and just falling short of getting to that new high. A few more losses and you are back in the hole again.
Why not decrease the bets when the variance is going against you and increase them on a winning run.
A few quick wins raising the bets can wipe out a lot of losses at a lower level.
It really seems counterintuitive doing it the other way around.
Disclaimer: It is possible I could be wrong however and doing this would absolutely make no difference. :smile:
Here is just a made up example.
Game 1. Betting 1 unit. Lose all 9 bets. Running total -18.
Game 2. Betting 1 unit. Lose all 9 bets. Running total - 36.
Game 3. Betting 1 unit. Win on bet 4. Running total - 26.
Game 4. Betting 2 units. Win on bet 2. Running total +2. Reset here.
It just means a bad run might not wipe you out before you hit a good run.
With small stakes perhaps-*progressions and large bets typically do not work.
I have modified the excel to add some parameters, which will help you decide what to do on a win, on a loss and on a new high. As usual, a bit lazy to test it out myself. Use it as you feel right!
Cheers
Yanks!
..Too me I have modified to even chance bet? But I'm busy enjoying life this summer,, with or w out grail ,,, life is good
Guys keep in mind that I have never studied English have patience.
Explanation of the theory first part :
This system for roulette originates from my own setting in physics related to the topic of non-current definition of a true theory of the gravitational field and its interaction with the other forces of nature.
The assumption on which it is based (this system) is that a blow out is nothing but a mass that is going to place in a specific area of the space attracted by the force (value) of the background field existing in probabilistically predetermined way.
This definition is the space that its values​​, according to which is to determine which number should go out, stems from the belief that these are already present a priori, and in recursive mode.
Quote from: winner3 on Aug 20, 03:33 AM 2013
Guys keep in mind that I have never studied English have patience.
Explanation of the theory first part :
This system for roulette originates from my own setting in physics related to the topic of non-current definition of a true theory of the gravitational field and its interaction with the other forces of nature.
The assumption on which it is based (this system) is that a blow out is nothing but a mass that is going to place in a specific area of the space attracted by the force (value) of the background field existing in probabilistically predetermined way.
I thought April 1 is months away. :). Sorry winner, just kidding :)
With all due respect winner, can't understand a single word. Did anyone else understand?
if I find a good translator from Italian to English i continue with the explanation if not, it is better that I give greetings to all :)
Good luck to all and my speech on the forum ends here :)
I thank all those who have followed me all the way until here.
OMG! What did I do!
Hey winner, I was just kidding around. Your English is perfectly fine. It is just the explanation which am not able to get. I for one definitely don't want to end your speech here as I eagerly look for inputs. It is just that I am not able to get what you were explaining.
Probably, it will be better if I ask straightforward questions. You mentioned, "a true theory of the gravitational field and its interaction with the other forces of nature." I got lost here. If I consider a "Wheel" where the ball is going to land as the one that attracts a specific area of force as you put it, then why chose carpet layout for placing the bets and why not neighbours in wheels. If I consider RNG, then will any theory of gravitation apply there?
To be honest, am confused. My intention is to seek clarification and not to ridicule the language as the language is perfect, it is just the concept that is complex. Look forward to more details from you.
- Yanks
Good luck to all and my speech on the forum ends here.-Winner3
Please stay. Your contribution is significant
and I (and others) would like to hear more.
Hello, I did some testing using the progression tweaks I mentioned above.
Here are some results.
Game 1) 1 unit. W 506 reset.
Game 2) 1 unit. L 488.
Game 3) 1 unit. W 504.
Game 4) 2 units. W 508. reset.
Game 5) 1 unit. W 514. reset.
Game 6) 1 unit. W 516. reset.
Game 7) 1 unit. W 522. reset.
Game 8 1 unit. L 504.
Game 9) 1 unit. L 486.
Game 10) 1 unit. L 468.
Game 11) 1 unit. W 480.
Game 12) 2 units. W 512.
Game 13) 3 units. W 524. reset.
Just remember.. if I lost game 13. I would go back down to 2 units.
+1 on a win.
-1 on a loss.
Always reset on a new high.
Try this progression suggestion Ugly Bob.
Plus one unit on a winning session, less two units on a losing one.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 20, 06:25 AM 2013
Try this progression suggestion Ugly Bob.
Plus one unit on a winning session, less two units on a losing one.
You can do this easily in the latest excel I published. You just have to modify the progression fields to say what to do on a win and what to do on a loss. You will get the results in no time.
Thank you guys for the suggestions.
Game 1) 1 unit. W 506 reset.
Game 2) 1 unit. L 488.
Game 3) 1 unit. W 504.
Game 4) 2 units. W 508. reset.
Game 5) 1 unit. W 514. reset.
Game 6) 1 unit. W 516. reset.
Game 7) 1 unit. W 522. reset.
Game 8 1 unit. L 504.
Game 9) 1 unit. L 486.
Game 10) 1 unit. L 468.
Game 11) 1 unit. W 480.
Game 12) 2 units. W 512.
Game 13) 3 units. W 524. reset.
Game 14) 1 unit. W 538. reset.
Game 15) 1 unit. W 550. reset.
Game 16) 1 unit. L 532.
Game 17) 1 unit. W 544.
Game 18) 2 units. W 552. reset.
Game 19) 1 unit. W 562. reset.
At first glance, this looks a safer way to play. There is no point watching a graph go sky high knowing that eventually you have to give it back. We can go to the funfair if we want a scary rollercoaster ride. :wink:
Just a final word of caution.
Game 1) 1 unit. W 506 reset.
Game 2) 1 unit. L 488.
Game 3) 1 unit. W 504.
Game 4) 2 units. W 508. reset.
Game 5) 1 unit. W 514. reset.
Game 6) 1 unit. W 516. reset.
Game 7) 1 unit. W 522. reset.
Game 8 1 unit. L 504.
Game 9) 1 unit. L 486.
Game 10) 1 unit. L 468.
Game 11) 1 unit. W 480.
Game 12) 2 units. W 512.
Game 13) 3 units. W 524. reset.
Game 14) 1 unit. W 538. reset.
Game 15) 1 unit. W 550. reset.
Game 16) 1 unit. L 532.
Game 17) 1 unit. W 544.
Game 18) 2 units. W 552. reset.
Game 19) 1 unit. W 562. reset.
Game 20) 1 unit. L 544.
Game 21) 1 unit. W 554.
Game 22) 2 units. W 566 reset.
Game 23) 1 unit. L 548.
Game 24) 1 unit. L 530.
Game 25) 1 unit. W 538.
Game 26) 2 units. W 554.
Game 27) 3 units. L 500.
Game 28) 2 units. W 512.
Game 29) 3 units. W 560.
Game 30) 4 units??
You are 6 units behind your previous high here. If you lose this game, you are at 488.
You could just reset again at Game 30. It depends how risk averse you are.
I think this would be a good plan just to try and win 50 units or so and then quit. It would not require a huge bankroll. 372 spins and you certainly get your money's worth!!
Quote from: Priyanka on Aug 20, 05:10 AM 2013
OMG! What did I do!
You did nothing. The post to which you refer was the best example of bloviation I've seen since John Legend left the forum!!
Here is the scenario; I've seen it play out many times.
Some person posts some outlandish system with not even the slightest bent toward reality. Nick or someone would write a sheet and the RNG function would prove the system won't work. (No harm there. We try; we fail; we try again.) Then the author finds some reason to get their hackles up and leave the forum. Someone--you in this case--is blamed for that leaving. "Well, if you're too dumb to understand me I'll just find some smarter people." I even saw it in horse racing years ago.
People "seem" to think that if they can make their explanation sound esoteric and complicated, the forum will think them brilliant. This reminds me of an old saying: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshoot.
Let's all scrape off our feet and continue the journey.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 20, 10:38 AM 2013
This reminds me of an old saying: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshoot.
This pic always gives me a laugh!
I love it. I once owned a spray can of B.S repellent...
People "seem" to think that if they can make their explanation sound esoteric and complicated, the forum will think them brilliant. This reminds me of an old saying: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshoot.--TwoCat
In Winner3's defense the framework was
helpful to cobble together something useful.
@Sam
you missed off "....then come back as somebody else"
Quote from: ugly bob on Aug 20, 11:29 AM 2013
This pic always gives me a laugh!
Hey Bob
This is the one that always cracks me up !!!
John Legend I can understand being wary of (though there
are some that will always think well of him). But Winner3 bad? Really?
Proof,
I don't think anyone is having a go at winner3. Some of us are just having a laugh amongst ourselves.
Now if you really want to read some b.s. :o
link:://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/14878-these-shoes-are-made-for-talkin/#post263709
This bloke is on the shortlist for the ''TCS bloviator of the year award''
Yeah Ugly Bob, gr8 I would worry about--yet as
the Bud Light commercial goes "It ain't weird if it's working' :)
I can't talk about Sam and Turner. I hassled Winkel when I
first started-only to really what a genius he is (and a nice guy).
If you folks only knew how many times I was on cloud 9 thinking I had the "Grail". I just didn't post it. They all failed.
I have a litany of failed ideas. I am no harder on anyone else than I am on me. If it works--and few, few things do--use it. If not, move on.
But when I see a graph that goes down much farther that I would ever go, there is no need for me to go on. I'll not put $1,000 in an account and hope to turn around at -900 and go up.
And therein lies the value of computer testing and millions of spins---even though we'll never see that many. It gives us an idea of what could happen to us---and it usually does!
Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, but that stuff about gravity rankled my curd.
Apologies to one and all....
TwoCat
I'm still on cloud 9 with this system:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13335.msg115290#msg11529
Use Ray's tracker and see how easy it is to win a few chips!
I'm hoping he updates it to D'Alembert.
GLC
George
I did try that tracker and plan to try it more. I was on SmartLive at 1.5 minutes per spin and that is a bummer.
I'll try it on BV.
Sam
ok as promised heres a screen shot of that sytem i had made by nick....
now i just had this last quad made into the bot,,,,everything looks good here on the site...but what you are all forgetting is the sheet is FLAWED...on a win it should win 9 units not 18...that is why the figures look so good....it has massive losses...
as usual nick pointed this out....
heres the sheet for the bot of this one i have in the picture...it too has massive losses flatbetting...but with the settings i got there as you can see it comes back....
nick is working on a unique way i have given him to reverse this sheet...using the sheet itself instead of a sytem but as a tracker....i paid for this and nick spent time on it...
but i don't and never mind sharing...other people with ideas can improve...the only way to properly test in my opinion and play about with settings is with the bot...
OK, the grail is lost again…
Sorry to the community, I had to triple check the results/code before starting this post, but in all excitement…
There was a fault in the code, only affecting simulation mode of this strategy. Its not an global error in my bot itself. But the issue was that virtual winning bets were also added to the BR… this lead to 2 wins, first the virtual and then the real bet… explains the 2u average win per spin.
But I need to investigate the code and see if we can set it to something that actually would work.
So what was the strategy? As explained in first post link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7482.0
And I added a virtual loss of 3 spins before placing the bets.
So lesson learned for next time… so I hope we can call continue for the quest to the Holy Grail…
For those how like to scream and shout, go head…
happens to us all spin4fun...note to myself though...not to send YOU any sytems i think are winners LoL....i,ll stay with my trustworthy friend nicksmi.....
no disrespect intended he is the only guy i could trust with something i thought is a winner....to bot it...when he,s not pulling his hair out at my system request
oh and that sytem is already botted by nicksmi for a member on here who gave me it ..i won,t mention his name.....i also got the reverse sheet made made by nick...the original sheet is not mine to give.. i can,t give that away but here is the reverse of it..with a choice of starting the reverse from 8 or 12 spins....again i paid but give freely ..enjoy...one is flatbet one is progression...
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 21, 06:42 AM 2013
OK, the grail is lost again…
For those how like to scream and shout, go head…
Where on Earth have you been on here?!
QuoteUse Ray's tracker and see how easy it is to win a few chips!
I'm hoping he updates it to D'Alembert.
Hi George,
here is a modified version where you can change your progression as you like.
changed the Zero error.
Just add your number in the "Master" sheet
The calculations are in the Sheet "Prog Individual" and "Prog + -"
Numbers are taken from your "Master" sheet
Have a great Day,
Ray
I'm heading to the Gamescom Cologne tomorrow :xd:
I'm currently working and testing the method use the last 3 unique streets from the latest 4 unique streets.
Looks awesome good to me, just forgot who had this idea :question:
Made a semi tracker sheet , and its slow but results are very nice....
It's not ready to post yet, would be to embarrassing :o
Ray
Ray
Could you explain this please: use the last 3 unique streets from the latest 4 unique streets.
Do you use the last four unique or the last 3?
Is this the same as the sheet you wrote for George's idea?
Sam
Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 21, 10:40 AM 2013
Looks awesome good to me, just forgot who had this idea :question:
Probably this is what you were looking for.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9638.0
Yep thats the one !!!!
Thanks
Quote from: Priyanka on Aug 21, 11:15 AM 2013
Probably this is what you were looking for.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9638.0
--Jee,forgot I was Vile few months back.Wonder why.
Quote from: teo on Aug 21, 03:16 PM 2013
--Jee,forgot I was Vile few months back.Wonder why.
Its hard to temember them all, flat :thumbsup:
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 21, 06:42 AM 2013
so I hope we can call continue for the quest to the Holy Grail…
Oh don't worry, you'll be the first one I share it with, mate.... Bwahahahahaha!
@ Sam
did you find out what method I mentioned and how it works ?!?
Ray
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Skakus on Aug 21, 03:55 PM 2013
Oh don't worry, you'll be the first one I share it with, mate.... Bwahahahahaha!
Ray
Is it the "Vile" system as linked by Yanks? If not, I have no idea.
Sam
Quote from: Skakus on Aug 21, 03:55 PM 2013
Oh don't worry, you'll be the first one I share it with, mate.... Bwahahahahaha!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Well I have to say Im rather inclinde to agree with you here
you cant really tell everyone to poke it because you have the grail and then expect to share everyone elses trust because you were wrong
Spin Im not being funny but do you really expect someone else to share a winning bet with you after what you said ?
QuoteOh don't worry, you'll be the first one I share it with, mate.... Bwahahahahaha!
Oh Danny boy ................... I agree too
QuoteSpin I'm not being funny but do you really expect someone else to share a winning bet with you after what you said ?
Again, spot on D1, I also heard someone sent him thier method and the initial result was good, s4f told him he needed to do a longer test and the sender hasn't heard from him since, it's a mugs game this guys, some gamblers are mugs are they not.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 21, 07:04 PM 2013
Ray
Is it the "Vile" system as linked by Yanks? If not, I have no idea.
Sam
It is Sam,
Ray said so in post #237
Quote from: superman on Aug 22, 05:46 AM 2013
Oh Danny boy ................... I agree too
Again, spot on D1, I also heard someone sent him their method and the initial result was good, s4f told him he needed to do a longer test and the sender hasn't heard from him since, it's a mugs game this guys, some gamblers are mugs are they not.
Well well well...
Its correct, initial manual test where good.
But if the coding is not done, its hard to send long term results...
But it will be done today!
So boys let it all out...
So--again--let me get this one straight:
You wait for 4 unique lines, throw out the oldest and bet the newest 3?
Lines 1 2 3 4.......Throw out the 1 and bet the 2,3, and 4.
Is that the gist of it?
Sam
That's indeed the gist of it Sam.
Sam
I've never claimed to be the brightest bulb in the chandelier. ^-^
Thank you for that confirmation.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 22, 10:50 AM 2013
So--again--let me get this one straight:
You wait for 4 unique lines, throw out the oldest and bet the newest 3?
Lines 1 2 3 4.......Throw out the 1 and bet the 2,3, and 4.
Is that the gist of it?
Sam
Yes Sam......if you after/almost leveled game,without any LD/then you
finally got it...good luck.
That's a good one sir flat flat I tested that way for a couple hundred spins--nice on columns also
Try it I will, FLATman..........
Thanks!!
Sam
Sam,
have a go.....
Ray
@ Tomla021
....could you tell me how you would bet on the columns with this method ?!?
Thanks
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 25, 07:56 AM 2013
Sam,
have a go.....
Ray
--just spoted...this is 4 uniques,betting on last 3...therefore my comment
on the other thread wrong.
ray--I divide first column into splits 1-4,, 7-10, 13-16,,,,thats column 1 number 1, column 1, 2 is : 19-22,, 25-28, 31-34,,,, same for column 2 and 3 you end up with 6 groups
update compare lines and columns.....
Ray
So what happened to this one?