I don't have time to go into minute details for this bet method at this time but basically what we're doing is playing the modified Oscar's Grind bet method used in Full TrioPlay but each unit is a result of 1 win or 5 losses using the Mongoose bet sequence.
With the Mongoose sequence of bets you either lose 1 unit or you win 5 units. So, each unit in the Full TrioPlay bet method represents 5 units in the Mongoose method. This means that we have to lose 5 attempts at the Mongoose to equal 1 unit loss in Full TrioPlay vs 1 win in the Mongoose method to represent a 1 unit win in Full TrioPlay.
If you understand the Full TrioPlay method and the Mongoose method, you should be able to understand the above two paragraphs. Both Full TrioPlay and Mongoose can be found in topics on this forum.
Mongoose bet sequence has 7 possible bets
The first two are a parlay
Three and four are a capped martingale
Five and six is a flatbet
Seven is to recover a lost 5 and 6 flatbet.
The 7 steps are in 3 sets. If you lose any set, you start over.
Set #1 is the parlay.
If you lose either of these bets you will be -1, start over.
If you win them both you are +3 so move to set 2.
Set #2 is the 2 step martingale starting with 1 unit or whatever your unit level is for this attack.
If you lose both of these bets you will be even having won 3 units in set 1 and having lost the 3 units in this set. Start over.
If you win either of these bets you will be at +4 (+3 from set #1; +1 from set #2).
If you win either of these bets move to set 3.
Set #3 starts with a 1 unit bet. If you win bet #5, you will be at +5 which is our goal. Start over.
If you lose bet #5, bet #6 is a flatbet equal to #5. If you win bet #6 you will be even for set 3 so rebet #5.
If you lost bet #5 and #6, you go to bet #7.
Bet #7 has 2 options:
1) bet 2 units. A win breaks you even for set #3 so you can rebet #5. A loss brings us to even so we start over.
2) bet 3 units. A win nets us +1 unit for set 3 which gives us our 5 unit win for the mongoose sequence. Start over. A loss of 3 units places us at -1 for the sequence and we start over.
That's how you play the mongoose. It gives you a pretty good chance of winning. Each win recovers 5 losses. I'm not saying it changes the odds to our favor, but it does give us more time for a little luck to help us.
Here's another way of expaining it:
(1) Bet 1 and 2 which are a Parley â€" Bet 1 is 1 unit and if it wins then bet 2 units
If either 1 or 2 loses then you go to the next figure in the Progression. If both bets win, next:
(2) Bet 3 is 1 unit and if this wins then go to (3), but if it loses then multiply
the bet x 2 and try to win bet 4. If either bet 3 or 4 wins then go to (3).
If bets 3 and 4 lose then you go back to (1) and the next figure in the
Progression. However, because you have already won +3 units from (1) you
don’t actually lose.
(3) Bet 5 is 1 unit and if it wins then you are finished (in profit with +5) .
If bet 5 of 1 unit loses, you bet bet 6 which is 1 unit also and if bet 6 then wins, you go back and try bet 5 of 1 unit again.
If bet 5 of 1 unit loses and then bet 6 of 1 unit also loses, you bet bet 7 of 3 units.
Win 7 and the game finishes (in profit of +5)
Lose bet 7 and you are -1 for this attack. Go back to (1) and the next figure in the Progression.
Later I'll show you how we apply this to the Full Trioplay betting grid.
GLC
We're going to play a slightly modified version of Full TrioPlay's bet progression.
We will play the mongoose method and every time we lose an attack, we'll add a step to our recovery line. Every time we win a mongoose attack, we'll cross off 5 steps in our recovery line.
Our line looks like this: 1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-5-5-5-5-5-6-6-6-6-6-7-7-7-7-8-8-8-8-8-9-9-9-9-9 etc...
If we lose our first mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1
If we lose our second mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1 1
If we lose our 3rd mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1 1 1
If we then win our 4th mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1 1 1 and we will be at +2.
The reason is that when we win a mongoose attack, we win 5 units but when we lose a mongoose attack, we only lose 1 unit or break even. We were down 3 units and won 5 so we're up +2. (Please note that I would stop when we were even and not play the 3rd set of the mongoose. You'll understand this later.)
If we lose 8 mongoose attacks with no wins, our line will look like this: 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
We always bet the leftmost amount to start a mongoose attack. In the above 8 losses, we wrote down three 2's but we never started a mongoose attack with 2 units. That's because a 1 was always the leftmost number.
If we were to win the 9th mongoose attack, our line would look like this: 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2. That's because we won 5 units and thus we crossed off the 5 left most numbers.
Our next mongoose attack would begin with a 2 unit bet. A win and our line would look like this: 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 . Plus we would be +7. That's because we win 5 units each time we win a mongoose attack and 5 times 2 = 10. Even though we crossed off three 2's, we were only betting 1 unit when we wrote down each of the 2's. We won 10 units -3 units = +7. Re-set.
One other thing I do is anytime I reach a new profit, even if it's in the middle of a mongoose attack, I erase that line and start over completely. This can happen because if we win bet #1, we're +1. If we then win bet #2, the parlay, we're +3. At this point you could be even or at a new high, etc... So it's not always necessary to reach +5 on a mongoose attack to reset.
Also, if things aren't going well and you win bet #3 or #4 which puts you up +4, you can choose to reset a +4 rather than risk everything to win 1 more unit.
That's enough for now. You now have about 75% of the system. For some of you, you can figure out the rest of the system but I will type it out tomorrow.
GLC
Love this. I spent hours reading up on the progression/attack when you posted originally. This is such a solid idea - love the way you merged these two!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: GLC on Jan 08, 10:43 PM 2014
We're going to play a slightly modified version of Full TrioPlay's bet progression.
We will play the mongoose method and every time we lose an attack, we'll add a step to our recovery line. Every time we win a mongoose attack, we'll cross off 5 steps in our recovery line.
Our line looks like this: 1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-5-5-5-5-5-6-6-6-6-6-7-7-7-7-8-8-8-8-8-9-9-9-9-9 etc...
If we lose our first mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1
If we lose our second mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1 1
If we lose our 3rd mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1 1 1
If we then win our 4th mongoose attack, our line will look like this: 1 1 1 and we will be at +2.
The reason is that when we win a mongoose attack, we win 5 units but when we lose a mongoose attack, we only lose 1 unit or break even. We were down 3 units and won 5 so we're up +2. (Please note that I would stop when we were even and not play the 3rd set of the mongoose. You'll understand this later.)
If we lose 8 mongoose attacks with no wins, our line will look like this: 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
We always bet the leftmost amount to start a mongoose attack. In the above 8 losses, we wrote down three 2's but we never started a mongoose attack with 2 units. That's because a 1 was always the leftmost number.
If we were to win the 9th mongoose attack, our line would look like this: 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2. That's because we won 5 units and thus we crossed off the 5 left most numbers.
Our next mongoose attack would begin with a 2 unit bet. A win and our line would look like this: 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 . Plus we would be +7. That's because we win 5 units each time we win a mongoose attack and 5 times 2 = 10. Even though we crossed off three 2's, we were only betting 1 unit when we wrote down each of the 2's. We won 10 units -3 units = +7. Re-set.
One other thing I do is anytime I reach a new profit, even if it's in the middle of a mongoose attack, I erase that line and start over completely. This can happen because if we win bet #1, we're +1. If we then win bet #2, the parlay, we're +3. At this point you could be even or at a new high, etc... So it's not always necessary to reach +5 on a mongoose attack to reset.
Also, if things aren't going well and you win bet #3 or #4 which puts you up +4, you can choose to reset a +4 rather than risk everything to win 1 more unit.
That's enough for now. You now have about 75% of the system. For some of you, you can figure out the rest of the system but I will type it out tomorrow.
GLC
If your down 3 how are +2?
Quote from: warrior on Jan 09, 01:53 PM 2014
If your down 3 how are +2?
Warrior, When we play all 3 parts of the mongoose, we will win 5 units. If we're down 3 and we win 5, that puts us up 2. This is assuming we don't reset after winning our parlay which wins 3 units and would put us at even. This calculation was before I suggested that we don't have to play all 3 parts of the mongoose if we reach a new high bankroll amount or get back to even on parts 1 or 2.
Continuing with the system. (And please forget about resetting until you have either lost 1 unit or won a 5 unit attack with mongoose. It makes explaining the system easier.)
Since a full win on mongoose is 5 units and a full loss on mongoose is only 1 unit, we have to lose 5 times to equal 1 win. That's why our line is 111112222233333etc... instead of 1234567etc...
We have 3 stages for the basic trioplay system. We can go to more stages if we use Tera TNT/Counter Balance for Safety as our skeleton. I leave that up to your ingenuity. Each set of 5 numbers in our line represents 1 step in Trioplay. We only cross off 5 numbers when we have a win. Since we always bet the leftmost number, we can't get lost as to what our unit size is to start any mongoose attack.
Every time we lose 5 attacks, we add 1 unit to the unit size in our line. Please note that we don't start betting 2 units just because we lost 5 times at 1 unit. We only move to a larger bet size after a win which crosses off the 5 lowest units in the line.
So, if our line is 11111222223 it means we have lost 11 mongoose attacks in a row. A rare event indeed. Throughout these 11 attacks we have always started bet #1 at 1 unit. Even though we have 18 units written down in our line, we are only down 11 units. This is an Oscar's Grind type bet progression. Let's say we finally have a win, we will cross off the five 1's and we now have a 2 as the leftmost number.
We now start bet #1 in the mongoose attack with 2 units instead of 1 unit. The ratio is the same as for the 1 unit start. That is, bet #1 =2 and bet #2 = 4. Bet #3 would = 2 and bet #4 would = 4. Bet #5 would = 2, #6 would = 2 and #7 would = 6. If bet #1 were 8, #2 would = 16; if #3 were 8, #4 would = 16; if #5 were 8, #6 would = 8 and #7 would = 24. The ratio stays the same.
As long as the result of the leftmost number subtracted from the rightmost number is equal to 5 or less, we are in Plus 1 mode and we only cross off 5 numbers with each win. We play in Plus 1 mode until we reach a new high bank or once the leftmost number in our line subtracted from the rightmost number in our line is = to 6, then we move to Plus 2 mode.
In Plus 2 mode we cross off 10 numbers instead of 5 numbers for each win. We stay in Plus 2 mode until we either reach a new high bank amount or our rightmost number equals 13. Please note that we do not subtract our leftmost number from our rightmost number to get this number 13. This number 13 represents 61 mongoose attack losses. This means that we are having a bad session and we need to start cutting our losses. Our line will look like this 11111222223333344444555556666677777888889999910101010101111111111121212121213. Hopefully many of the leftmost numbers will be crossed off.
We never change how we write our line down in this version of the system. It's always +1 after every 5th loss. As you can easily see, by crossing off 10 numbers, we are now skipping some losses with each win. This can result in eliminating our line while we are still in the hole. Don't worry about this. The system is designed to recover these losses eventually.
Once a win causes us to cross off the last number of our line, we must then re-set and start a new game. The only difference is that we will carry over the number of units we were in the hole from the last game.
I am getting ahead of myself. Once our rightmost number is 13, we move into Plus 3 mode. In Plus 3 mode we cross off 15 numbers for each win. In Plus 3 mode we are skipping over 10 losses with each win. This should result in us crossing off all numbers in our line quickly so we can re-set.
Plus 2 and Plus 3 modes are safety brake modes and only come into play when we are having a very bad game. This is inevitable and should be expected. It is a part of playing roulette that needs to be come to grips with if you want to move from the realm of the novice into the professional ranks. And, I will tell you right now that if you can't honestly classify yourself as a professional at this game, you shouldn't be playing with unit sizes larger than nickles or dimes. This is a time to be brutally honest with yourself. It can cost you big-time if you're not.
That's the basics of "Full TrioPlay tames the Mongoose." It can be adapted in a variety of ways to suit anyone's style of play. The main adaptions are when to move from Plus 1 mode to Plus 2 mode and then to Plus 3 mode. The larger the number, the more aggressive the system becomes and the deeper in the hole you can find yourself.
Good Luck,
GLC
You can play any bet progression using the TrioPlay skeleton.
Let's look at a 4 step capped martingale 1-2-4-8. A full loss is 15 units. Just play until you have the first full loss of 15 units. The units won before your 15 unit loss can be considered profits. Upon our 1st lost, we continue to play at the 1-2-4-8 level until we win 15 times. We write 111111111111111 as our line after our loss. From now on, every win results a crossing off of one of the 1's. If we have we have 10 wins and then another 15 unit loss, our line will look like this 111111111111111222222222222222. Remember that we always bet the leftmost number. That means we are still betting 1-2-4-8 and crossing off a 1 every time we win. If we win 8 more times our line will look like this 111111111111111222222222222222 and we will be betting 2-4-8-16 for the last 3 attacks and for the next 12 wins.
If you study this system, you can work out all kinds of interesting progressions and super-impose them on the full trioplay skeleton.
Enjoy,
GLC
One of my favorite ways to play this system is using a 3 step parlay. That's 1=2=4=8-1=+7.
The 3 step parlay is played just like the mongoose except that each win will cross off 7 losses instead of 5 losses per the mongoose. Also, in the beginning of an attack, since we win either 1 unit, 3 units before we win 7 units, you can reset if you reach a new high bank on the 1st or 2nd win. No need risking losing a 4 unit bet if we're already at a new high bank amount.
This works the same way regarding Plus 1, Plus 2 and Plus 3 modes.
GLC
Hey GLC, I'm new on here. I've studied a million systems, and the mongoose/trio play seems to be the best I've seen so far! I have a question for you, but hopefully I'm not flagged on here as its non-roulette. I have been testing the mongoose/trio with Blackjack, and it seems to have amazing results so far. It kills it during a winning streak, keeps you from breaking the bank during losing streaks and is ready to kick in for another winning streak. Really awesome stuff. Have you ever tested it with blackjack or are you strictly roulette? I'm tweaking a bit to make up for double downs and splits. It's beautiful hitting a double down at the beginning of stage 2...it automatically gives you a win for stages 2 & 3, and you can begin again. Another question: If you are on stage 1, and lose, you are supposed to begin again...if you begin again and win, do you then parlay that win or do you let that win cancel out the first lose and start over at break even? I assume it doesn't matter either way. Thanks for all your obvious hard work on here!
Pnoman, Yes, TrioPlay/Mongoose is a very solid way to play. I focus on even chance betting methods so they can be applied to blackjack, craps, sicbo, baccarat, etc... I do use it to play blackjack. I don't usually play a win after a loss on the 1st step as a cancel bet, but it can be used that way. I do use a win with a double down or blackjack as a bonus win if it comes on the 1st bet of step 1.
You're right, a double down win (I also include a blackjack) completes the mongoose when it happens on the 2nd or 3rd stages. Blackjack can get a little hairy because we expect to lose more hands than we win than in roulette. But the double downs, splits and blackjacks eventually make up the difference.
Good luck,
GLC
Thanks for the reply GLC. I'm still having consistent luck with the Mongoose/Trio. I'm toying with the idea of adding the Star system pre-progression to the Mongoose/Trio. Have you ever done the math with combining them? The Star pre-progression/Mongoose/Trio may be a beast of a system! I'm curious, if you had a big bankroll that you were going to play blackjack with, and you were allowed only 1 system to use, would you use Star, Carsch, or Mongoose/Trio?
Carsch seems like a strong money management technique
u just have to manage 2 wins in a row within 12 spins
carsch is a great progression but Roulette compare:
1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21-32 vs
1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 , 15 steps on the trio mongoose ,
12 steps on the carsch = 93units vs
30 units on the trio mongoose for 15 steps ( actually only 15 units for 15 straight losses ) and the progressions not that hard to hit and you can keep on going on the trio mongoose if in troubles and play your way out of it and have no real losses
Im still digesting the trio mongoose but it seems pretty impresive
there are so many ways to play this! Im not sure if that's bad or good:)
the more I fool around with this, the more I like it----
How do you play trio mongoose
At the bottom of this page is a link to "The Conservative Mongoose". I think it adds a degree of safety to the Full TrioPlay Tames the Mongoose.
The best way to learn how to play is to read this topic and all topics related to it.
It's been explained to death. :-X
BTW, you have to at least have a master's degree in gambling to be able to win with this thing. It's not for the novice.
I totally agree with GLC for Novice there is always marty..... ;)
Lets see if this explains, or not.
1. you need to win a parlay ( WW) , 2. a marty (1,2) LW or W , 3. and a sliding marty ( 1 1 2 ) A W clears you out and you have completed the making of 5 units a L you bet a 1 again on this portion,a LL you bet 2 if you win you start 3 all over LLL and you have lost this attempt at making 5 units so a WWLWLLWW clears out the 5 unit win , a WWWW also clears it etc,,,,,
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 28, 01:20 PM 2015
Lets see if this explains, or not.
1. you need to win a parlay ( WW) , 2. a marty (1,2) LW or W , 3. and a sliding marty ( 1 1 2 ) A W clears you out and you have completed the making of 5 units a L you bet a 1 again on this portion,a LL you bet 2 if you win you start 3 all over LLL and you have lost this attempt at making 5 units so a WWLWLLWW clears out the 5 unit win , a WWWW also clears it etc,,,,,
I don't see why you don't just cut to the chase with as few words as possible.
It only takes me 1,000 words to say that. :lol:
GLC
Its really a hard thing to understand until you get it--lol..... Now its the betting amounts that have to be considered as you have opened the door on that. And that might depend on the way your bets have tested or played
If the mongoose is what's giving people trouble, you can use any bet method to replace the mongoose. A good one is a 2 step parlay. We start with a 1 unit bet. If we win it, we let-it-ride for the next spin. That means we net 3 units on a double win. This means we let 3 units represent a single unit in our Full TrioPlay bet scheme.
Okay Tom. I tried to keep it as short as possible. Maybe I didn't do such a good job.
If not it's because I'm not bi-lingual. By only speaking one language, I've never had to try to keep it concise.
When I was trying to learn Russian and Bulgarian you can bet I was trying to keep it simple.
Cheers,
GLC
and a sliding marty ( 1 1 2 )
Isn't that just a "push"? You win two to replace the two you lost on the 1st two bets.
Where am I going wrong?
Sam
112W is a push and you restart that third section a 11W is a push also--at some point you need the first W
Thanks
I've had better luck dropping stage 2 (Marty) and playing stage 1 & 3 only. If you play stage 1 and win, you're up 3 units...play stage 2 and win, you're up 4 units...if you're betting $25 units, why would you risk $100 profit to gain $25 more playing stage 3?
I bet stage 1. If I win, I am up 3 units and skip Marty and bet stage 3. If I lose, I'm still up 2 and can bet 1 unit again hoping to win. If I win I am back to up 3. That gives me a chance to start stage 3 again. If I win, I'm up 4 units and start over. If I lose 2 in a row, I am still up 1 unit, and start over. I guess that makes stage 3 a flat bet in this case.
If I had lost 2 in a row playing stage 2, I'd be to break even instead of up 1. I just make the Trio sequence 1111-2222-3333, etc instead of 11111-22222-33333...
I've been experimenting with putting the STAR pre-betting sequence in front of the stage 1 & 3 progression. It seems to keep me at break even more than without. The thing I don't like about the STAR pre-progression is that during winning streaks, it keeps you betting and winning low. Once a losing streak comes along, it makes you start betting big.
I have no software to test this a million times, so I use an iPad app. Who knows how accurate an app is compared to the real thing. If anyone can test using just 1 & 3 with and without pre-progression, I'd love to see the results.
Also, having a goal in mind is helpful. If I'm betting $25 a unit, winning $200 or more happens more often than not. It's knowing when to cash in that's the hardest part of all.
Pnoman and GLC
Funny I was thinking of just using stage 1,and 2 but on reflection 1 and 3 look pretty good as a lighter alternative---I will test something with it tonight
One way or another this whole thing could be combined to make a pretty great progression that doesn't bite too hard
One issue is that losing stage 3 you will be -1 more unit
Yeah, let me know what your tests reveal. It's fun crunching the numbers and mixing the systems. I'd love to keep mixing them and see what we all get. There is something here for sure. It'll probably boil down to GLC's original mongoose/trio post being the best after all. If anything, it's just fun to tweak.
Tomla,
The original Mongoose has a win at stage 1 up 3 units...a win at stage 2 up 4 units. That gives you the option of doing stage 3 as 1-1-2 or 1-1-3. If you lose all 3 in a row doing 1-1-3, you are -1 unit. If you do stage 3 as 1-1-2 and lose all 3, you are at break even. I'd never do 1-1-3 if doing all 3 stages.
If there was a casino game that said "Bet $100. If you win, you win $25, if you lose, you lose $125." Nobody would ever play that game...that's what stage 3 at 1-1-3 is.
So, if you play all 3 stages of Mongoose, play stage 3 as 1-1-2. In the worst case, you are back to even money if you lose stage 3.
As for playing just stages 1 & 3, if you win stage 1, you are up 3. Win stage 3 and you're up 4...then start over. If you lose the first unit bet of stage 3, you're still up 2 units. Bet 1 more unit hoping to cancel the first loss, leaving you up 3 again and you can start stage 3 again hoping for a win on bet 1, leaving you up 4 to start over.
If you lose the first and second bet on stage 3, you are up 1 unit. Don't chase your losses anymore, just take your 1 unit profit and start over again at stage 1. At least you aren't down or even, you are up 1 and essentially the house is paying for your first bet on stage 1.
Add this to the trio money management/progression and it's really a beautiful thing...as long as you aren't playing with rent money, you should be happy with the results.
I like the 1st stage win, with stage three bailout at LL----- still plus one start all over again
GLC Im sure will add his thoughts hes the Mr progression
Pnoman, Tomla021,
I like it. Win the parlay and then play stage 2 as a 1 - 1 bet. Win on the 1st 1 and you reach your target of +4. Lose on the 1st 1 and win on the 2nd 1 and you get a new chance at stage 2. Lose on both bets and you're still up 1 unit and can cross off a previous 1 in the Full TrioPlay matrix.
This is what teamwork is all about. I think this is a definite improvement on my original.
Thanks guys,
GLC
P.S. If any one has more ideas, let's hear 'em. Who knows where this could go?
Another thought is that this one two punch could be good all by itself. That is, without the Full TrioPlay bet progression scheme.
We could also use the Bread Winner scheme to hang our one two punch on. May make it a little easier to play those $25 chips.
Testing can help us decide which is more to our liking. But we already know that anything we do can tank so be smart like Tom and set a low stop loss and be ready to grind your way out of the hole.
I keep on going back to a single parlay is the best! in the end after a bad spell and you hit one you start hitting more of them---
Bump.
These are two of the most effective individual ways of playing I've come across yet. Put together, also very effective.
Anybody still play this way and/or have any success stories to share?