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Title: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Jan 31, 01:39 PM 2014
Hello all,

I need your experienced opinion to help me choose the best online casino. Right now, I am looking at PaddyPower.
There is one thing I like about it but I want to make sure that I am not missing something:

The limits on the live roulette tables for ECs seem to be minimum 1gpb and maximum 12,000 gpb. This seems incredible to me, because the minimum bet of 1 pound is so far away from the max of 12k pounds that it would let you use really aggressive progressions such as the martingale in order to beat the casino.
So basically what Im asking is, will this limit always remain the same, or will Paddypower will start capping my bets as soon as I am making too much profit and realize which technique i am using??

If anyone who has experienced with Paddy power can tell me how it goes, I would be very thankful. I need to know if those 1gpb/12,000gpb limits are the same for every one, or if they adjust it for every customer according to different styles of play in order to prevent you from winning???

The good news guys is that if this limit always remain the same, I have a system that require 116 units that is invincible, that can be played continuously, and that can generate about 50-80 units per day. Dont believe it until you hear about it, please. It is based from Johnlegend ideas, but much more improved. I will be happy to share it with you all.

Thank you for your help in advance.

Steven
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Jan 31, 03:47 PM 2014
Steven

I cannot answer your question, but I would love to see your idea in print.  I could use it at BV where they have a large spread, also.

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Jan 31, 04:40 PM 2014
Sam,

Thank you for your quick reply. I hope someone will know the answer to my interrogation, or if you have any other live casino to suggest with decent limits on tables, please share ? Any one using paddy power has the answer to my question?

Sam, regarding the system, I know that you are already familiar with the basic theory since it is inspired my the matrix concept. However, I have improved it and I am confident that I made it  invincible. I am traveling this weekend but as soon as I get back next week I will explain to you. I just want to take my time to expose the system and since you are a long time user of this forum I will be glad to hear your comments. I believe systems are never perfect and always have room for improvement.

Talk to you next week!
If anyone else is reading this thread, please give me any insight you have. I will be grateful to you and I'm return will share a fantastic system that has never lost for me so far. And I play it all day ....

Steven
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Jan 31, 06:29 PM 2014
Steven1212 - 1st thing you need to do with Paddypower is to sign up (if you've not already done so ?) & even put a little bit of money into your play account to try & check the limits on the table you are looking at playing on.

Most tables should have the basic limit card displayed on/over the table & when you click on it - it expands to give the limits of all the bet variants.

When you say "Live Tables" do you mean live dealer tables or live auto/airball wheels? Johnny Legend always subscribed to playing ONLY at live dealer wheels.

Casinos lump live wheels all in together whether they be dealer or auto/airball. Auto wheels manipulate the results by "adjusting" the wheel & ball speeds, so beware.

1GBP to 12,000GBP on EC's doesn't seem to fit for a live dealer table based on some other UK live dealer tables ?  The two I know of (I have accounts & play them) are Smart Live (SL), EC limits 10min. - 1,000 max (their high limit airball has the same limits). Party Casino (Latvian dealers, Gibralta reg'd, UK admin.) has 2 min & 2,000 max. on all outside bets = both EC's & 2 : 1 bets.

116 units would have adjusted calcs.(basic Marty) @ SL to around L6 63 units & L7 127 units needing 630GBP or 1,270GBP. Party has the same levels but due to the lower min. would need 126GBP or 254GBP.

1 - 12,000 would seem more likely to be 1GBP min. for the inside numbers & 12,000GBP being the maximum total table bet outlay ?
Still very generous when compared ?

No doubt you will find out in the near future. 

"INVINCIBLE" (aka "HOLY GRAIL") is a brave claim to make on a yet to be proven in play method ? Having something that will defeat random events (runs from hell) will be a first. Could this be the beginning of the end of roulette in casinos ? We should see it all unfold in the near future.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Jan 31, 08:03 PM 2014
Just had a look at Paddy Power(PP) with the idea to join up & check out the limits. I wasn't able to join as Australia is a country that is blocked from having an account ?

On their front page display they mention their base limits of 50p to 20,000GBP. My guess is that PP EC's limits will be 5 - 5,000 ?

An on line table limit search will show that a few UK & nearby live dealer casinos exceed PP's base limits. As you are only using 116 units on EC bets you are well below the table limits for that bet at many casinos. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 01, 03:49 AM 2014
I hope you will share your results. It's too early to worry about getting banned for winning too much, you have to start winning first with real money consistently. There are probably tens or hundreds of thousands players registered, I guess it would be unlikely a casino would easily notice or care about 50 gbp/euro win per day. There are much bigger players they have to worry about. I watch the live games sometimes on betventure, and there are players making 10k+ bets.  One player I saw was betting about 60k per hand.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 01, 05:52 AM 2014
Hi steven1212,

At smartlivecasino
Live autowheel low limit on EC's is 10p - £500
Live autowheel higher limit on EC's - £1 - £1000
Live Dealer EC's - £10 - £1000 (except weirdly the LOW/HIGH EC is lower at £1 units:  £1 - £1000)

Best wishes,
A.

PS. I've tried a lot of JL's sytems in the past and found them very interesting - so would be happy to learn of your findings.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 01, 05:11 PM 2014
The Legend Returns
In name only of course!

Nick :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 01, 06:15 PM 2014
Atlantis - Just did a check on the EC limits at Smart Live.  Low limit airball as you say 10p to 500.

High limit Air Ball & Live Dealer Wheel both the same limits = 10 min. & 1,000 max. on ODD/EVEN & RED/BLACK & as you say L/H 1 - 1,000.

Perhaps the L/H limits could be exploited @ a bet ratio of 1 : 1,000 vs the other two at only 1 : 100 ?  Any spin always has 18 vs 18 EC outcomes (+ zero).

The lower limit on L/H may have something to do with low BR home telephone players ? Perhaps a large number of them bet on either Low or High & the casino makes reasonable money out of that part of the play ?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 02:11 AM 2014
Hello Ausguy, Nice to meet you.
I wrote you a really long answer to your messages yesterday and it was waiting for approval but for some reason when I woke up this morning the message had disappeared with no news from a moderator. I dont know what happened, maybe a bug, but anyway, here is the very summarized version of yesterday's message:

I only care about live dealers because I dont trust anything else. And actually, I dont care about EC's because the system is really based on dozens and columns. The system is so safe that I play it continuously all day with  grand marti progression. That's how confident I am about it. I make about 50-80 units a day playing for 3-4 hours, but I am starting to get more greedy and I want to use bigger units of 10-20 gpb. But although I have never seen this system failed the 3rd step of the classic 2:1 progression, If I am going to use a big bankroll to play with 10gpb units, I want to add 2 steps (5 steps in total) to my progression (1-4-13-40-121). With 5 steps, I am sure that the system will survive 5 millions spin tests. And this is why I am looking for a casino where the live table spread will allow me to use such progression.

I am also from a country where PP is illegal but I registered with a fake UK address (Buckingham palace!) and it lets you log in to the live tables. You can do it to if you want to check it out. I have attached a screenshot where you will see that the limit on dozen is actually 1gpb-12,000gpb. But for some reason I cannot trust them! It's not possible that they allow such high spreads because anyone can use a martingale and with a decent bet selection transform PP in a real ATM machine! So I am asking all the people who have used the site if this limit is real, or if it's a bait to attract new clients and it will change as soon as I start earning money.

So this is why I started this thread. I have a near perfect system but it has two problems only that until they will be solved, it will be unusable.

1. The first problem is that I need to find tables that allow me to have an x120 spread (ex: first bet is 1 unit, last bet is 120 units). I dont think it will be easy in land based casino, maybe online but difficult...
2. The second problem is the biggest, and it was the question i was asking in the original message of this thread. If I find a casino that satisfies the first problem above, I will literally be able to suck them out thousand a day. So I am sure that after a few days only they will start either capping my limits when they realize I am using a  grand martingale, or even worse ban me from their casino and prevent me from playing.

So please guys, anyone know of a casino with big limit that won't ban me when I win consistently??? In return I will give you a fantastic way to beat them once and for all.
By the way, I am not trying to hold the system for myself. On the contrary I am happy to share it with you all to improve it and make it better if possible. It's just that I am on holiday with my wife this weekend and I can't find the time to expose it clearly. But hang on please and sorry for the suspense. Next week I will create a thread to expose it to you.

One last thing, ausguy, you ask if its the end of land base casino. Unfotunately not, because you can only play my system online. The reason is that you need an ipad or iphone next to you at all time otherwise you won't be able to use it. And I think all casinos won't let you use electronics at the table. So you need to hide behind your screen, where you see the dealer but the dealer can't see you...

Talk to you soon guys. All the best.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 02, 04:12 AM 2014
Hi Ausguy,

Maybe you're right.
Weirder: the cols are also £1 min on live dealer whereas the doz start at £5!!

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 02, 07:20 AM 2014
atlantis - With the columns & L/H perhaps it's because not much money is bet on these so they lower the rate to try and pick up a bit more profit ?

I sometimes play at Party casino - Live dealer.   Both the EC's & Doz/Col have the same bet limits = 2 min. & 2,000 maximum. You can play in GBP or Dollars, either USD, Canadian or Aussie. What ever currency a person starts with always stays in that money type with any account.

Any inside number has a 1 - 250 range.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 10:38 AM 2014
Hello Ausguy,

A place like party casino could work as far as the spread is concerned. 2-2,000 gpb would let you use my version of Jl system with a 5 step grand marti and use unit sizes as big a 15 or 20 gpb. You could play all day long without losing if it's a live dealer, and make 3,000+ a day.
So the only question that remains is, after a the first month, when you try to withdraw 100,000+ of earnings! will they let you come back and play again? Or will they ban you ? You who has experience with this casino has any idea how they might react ???

Atlantis, it's an honor to see you here. The system I will post next week will be dedicated to you, because one message you posted once in the code 4 thread is what made it click in my head, and that when I thought of it all. All thanks to you and JL and I will be happy to give it back to you as soon as I fly back home.

Best,

Steven

Quote from: ausguy on Feb 02, 07:20 AM 2014
atlantis - With the columns & L/H perhaps it's because not much money is bet on these so they lower the rate to try and pick up a bit more profit ?

I sometimes play at Party casino - Live dealer.   Both the EC's & Doz/Col have the same bet limits = 2 min. & 2,000 maximum. You can play in GBP or Dollars, either USD, Canadian or Aussie. What ever currency a person starts with always stays in that money type with any account.

Any inside number has a 1 - 250 range.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 11:02 AM 2014
Ausguy, thank you for all your as are and sorry If it took time for me to reply. But I had a problem with approval that is not fixed. You can see my answers above in the conversation now. Best.

Steven
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: superman on Feb 02, 11:44 AM 2014
Is it just me & KCIN012 or does this sound like JL himself

QuoteIt's just that I am on holiday with my wife this weekend and I can't find the time to expose it clearly

QuoteI just want to take my time to expose the system

But you had the time to write all these posts with promises?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 02, 12:43 PM 2014
I think everybody has been blinded by the thought of unlimited winnings.
Myself I would welcome J.L. back with open arms.
I thought his methods were good, and hit and run works for me.

"lets see how the story unfolds.

Nick.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 02:44 PM 2014
Yes. I am not JL. I am Steven and I'm from france so please forgive my bad English. I'm traveling now and I only brought my ipad.
The system is long to explain and I wouldn't  be able to tell you from my ipad anyway because there is an attachment that is key to the system and that is only on my laptop.
Please be patient I will expose it to you all next week and I think you won't be disappointed.
It have never seen it pass the 3rd line of the progression and I am sure that with 5 or 6 steps you can play it all day long never failing.

Only problems are the one I mentioned early on the conversation regarding the table limit (which can easily be solved, and the issue of getting banned from the casino very quickly after big wins)!

Be patient, it will tell you everything soon. I think it's the best matrix system ever seem on this forum yet. Too bad JL won't be around to give us his opinion....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 02:52 PM 2014
I mean , the system might be invincible, it will be useless if you cannot play it anywhere. Land based casinos which will hardly ever ban you from playing aren't an options because you need an digital device with you like an iPhone or an ipad to play the system. And apparently I have heard that online casino will ban you as soon as you start making money.

Please all of you have information on that topic, share with us.
Example of paddy power: they claim to offer 1-12,000 limits on dozens. With such a spread, I can play the system with a 5 steps progression for 100 gpb units. I will never ever loose and I can make 100 units per day. Of course the BR needs to be available too I'm order to sustain the progression (although it will rarely pass the 3rd step) but that means 10k gpb per day. And what's more, you could play the dozens simultaneously on dozens and columns for 20k profit a day with such limits.

So come on, do you really think  any casino would let me come back the second day and continue using my grand marti after I sucked them out 20k the day before ? I don't think so and that's what I'm trying to figure out here.....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 02, 03:04 PM 2014
If your system is Invincible "THE HOLY GRAIL"
I think winning a £100 a day from several casinos is probably sufficient.
If you started to get too greedy, I think the "Grail" maybe the game of roulette, may not be around for very long.
Nick 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 02, 03:11 PM 2014
Hello steven1212,
Hey, I've been looking back over the CODE 4 thread and now I am wondering why so many of us have let it go and forgotten about it; there's some great ideas and progressions there, and a few twists on the original concept too that look worthy of re-investigation.

I'd hoped that JL would have returned before now - pity if he misses your slant/improve on his creation.

Regarding digital devices, phones, i-pads, tablets etc - JL was a great advocate of the humble pen and paper system for recording  matrixes ermm,... matrii.... erm... box listing. :)

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ddarko on Feb 02, 03:17 PM 2014
If you do that to win too much, it's not a problem for them......

They will just "disconnect" the internet connection when you get to the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th step of your marty

O0
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 02, 03:24 PM 2014
Surely it is best to stay under the radar; play smaller so as not to attract unwarranted attention or be flagged up or put on a watch-list.
Do not take too much at one time. Play hit'n'run tactics. Switch online casinos if necessary or spread sessions between several online casinos...?
Also - why leave all your winnings in for a month? - withdraw regularly and you won't have a massive amount to collect at the end.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 03:26 PM 2014
Hello atlantis. What a pleasure to see you here.
Unfortunately my tweak to the system would make it impossible to use it just with a pen and paper. You would have to be superman to have the brain and the speed to use the system with a pen and paper. And I'm talking about the real superman, not the one of this forum who thinks I'm JL.
Anyway, you will understand straight away when I explain the system why it can't work without An electronic device.

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 02, 03:11 PM 2014
Hello steven1212,
Hey, I've been looking back over the CODE 4 thread and now I am wondering why so many of us have let it go and forgotten about it; there's some great ideas and progressions there, and a few twists on the original concept too that look worthy of re-investigation.

I'd hoped that JL would have returned before now - pity if he misses your slant/improve on his creation.

Regarding digital devices, phones, i-pads, tablets etc - JL was a great advocate of the humble pen and paper system for recording  matrixes ermm,... matrii.... erm... box listing. :)

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 03:28 PM 2014
Ddarko,

Can you elaborate please ? Has any casino done that to you before? This is exactly what I fear. If I can't go all the way to the end of the martingale I can't win all the time...

Thanks for sharing your experience.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 03:33 PM 2014
Dear atlantis, you just pointed out a third problem of my system. When you have so,ethimg that works it's hard to stop yourself. Why limit my winnings to 50 dollars if I know I could bring them to 3-4k daily? When greed comes in its hard to control yourself.
My philosophy is that if am gambling I do it for big money only! For 50 dollars a day I might as well take a normal job with less risk than roulette.
Sorry not everyone will agree with me on that.

Regarding withdrawing every day or once a month I think it's the same thing. If the casino sees me take out 3k each day or 90k each month, they will probably hate me equally! No?!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ddarko on Feb 02, 03:34 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 02, 03:28 PM 2014
Ddarko,

Can you elaborate please ? Has any casino done that to you before? This is exactly what I fear. If I can't go all the way to the end of the martingale I can't win all the time...

Thanks for sharing your experience.

No casino has done that to me Steven but I don't play a marty.....

DB have been doing it to FLAT_IN_O post #182

link:://betselection.cc/off-topic/i-miss-alibaba/msg26536/#msg26536 (link:://betselection.cc/off-topic/i-miss-alibaba/msg26536/#msg26536)

O0
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Feb 02, 03:40 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 02, 02:44 PM 2014
Yes. I am not JL. I am Steven and I'm from france so please forgive my bad English.


Your English seems pretty perfect to me down to punctuation. Im English, and its better than mine....lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 02, 03:53 PM 2014
What about BetVoyager Live?
Limits on Dozens/Columns are 2-1200 or 1-600
BetVoyager does limit the amount u can win each day though.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9987.msg87839#msg87839 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9987.msg87839#msg87839)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 02, 03:58 PM 2014
Hi Steven,

I can understand your concern with online casino:
link:://:.casinolistings.com/casinos/rogue-warnings-blacklist (link:://:.casinolistings.com/casinos/rogue-warnings-blacklist)

But you could be OK with payouts if with a reputable casino.

Sometimes casino don't pay out due to added bonuses complications or violation of terms and conditions; credit/debit card anomalies or proof of id etc...

BUT, having said that,  I cannot see how casino will continue to sustain losses on the scale you mentioned for a length of time... That is why I mentioned about switching to other accounts so as not to take all from same one..
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ddarko on Feb 02, 04:04 PM 2014
win enough money to buy 5 PC's / laptops......

connect all via one keyboard......

Log on to say, 5 DIFFERENTLY owned "Playtech" live wheels.......

Play the 5 accounts at once from the one live wheel feed......

So, instead of playing £10,000 at one casino, play 5 X £2,000 at five different casinos......

Simples.... 8)

O0
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ddarko on Feb 02, 04:10 PM 2014
Quote from: ddarko on Feb 02, 04:04 PM 2014
win enough money to buy 5 PC's / laptops......

connect all via one keyboard......

Log on to say, 5 DIFFERENTLY owned "Playtech" live wheels.......

Play the 5 accounts at once from the one live wheel feed......

So, instead of playing £10,000 at one casino, play 5 X £2,000 at five different casinos......

Simples.... 8)

O0

I guess that would be interesting to see WHEN each casino "cut's off" your marty.....

O0

forgot to say, 5 different "playtech" casinos from 5 different groups of casino owners !!!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 05:56 PM 2014
Turner,

Thank you!

I do my best and when I write for my computer I will make more effort to write clearly and eloquently

Steven.

Quote from: Turner on Feb 02, 03:40 PM 2014
Your English seems pretty perfect to me down to punctuation. I'm English, and its better than mine....LoL
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 05:57 PM 2014
Ddarko,

Thanks for sharing the link. Bet voyager could work since those limits would let me use a 10gpb unit size for about 2k profit a day or more. This is approximately the goal I set to myself.
I also love your idea of 5 computers and one keyboard. This is the kind of smart thinking I love. The casinos have taken too much money from us, time to get it all back!!!
But unfortunately it's a complicated option for me. Not because I can't buy 5ptops, but because I cannot open 5 accounts. The reason is that I live in france and Belgium and very few casinos allow us there. So I will need to use the identity of someone else to open an account in a legal country and that person will wire my earnings. But it's already a lot to ask to open a casino account for me, so I think 5 accounts would be out of the question...

Thanks for all your great input.

Steven.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 05:58 PM 2014
Atlantis,

I agree with all you said. I think there are fair casinos out there that will pay put your earning. Not afraid of that. What worries me is which casino will still want me as a client when they notice I win all the time. And now that I've got my grail, I want to be able to use on the long run.

Regarding your idea of 5 different accounts, I think it would slow down the inevitable ban, indeed. But like I explained to ddarko earlier, it's not easy for me to open casino accounts due to the legislation in my country of origin. And I can't a use of my friends if I want them to continue helping.
Also, look how worried I get about the legitimacy of one website. Just imagine if I had to deal with 5 companies... What a nightmare.

Thank you for all your precious help atlantis. It's much appreciated.

Steve
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 06:02 PM 2014
SamNL,

Actually that's not too bad.
It would let use my system with 10gpb unit sizes and have at least five steps of grand martingale to prevent any loss from occurring.
You could play it all day long without losing and get a very decent income.
The only question that remain is, will they BV ban you or lower your limits when they notice what you've got going on...

If they have a daily earning limit though, maybe they are willing to let you win indefinitely as long as it stays within the limits of their liability...

What do you think Sam?


Quote from: SamNL on Feb 02, 03:53 PM 2014
What about BetVoyager Live?
Limits on Dozens/Columns are 2-1200 or 1-600
BetVoyager does limit the amount u can win each day though.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9987.msg87839#msg87839 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9987.msg87839#msg87839)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 02, 06:43 PM 2014
Steven, as far as I know Betvoyager doesn't block people that earn much money. But they do limit the amount u can withdraw from them each time if u constantly win huge amounts of money.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 02, 06:47 PM 2014
Interesting. Thanks for your quick reply Sam, and the very valuable piece of information.
I would have to try them out to see how they react to my system on the long term, then. But so far, this is better than nothing!


Quote from: SamNL on Feb 02, 06:43 PM 2014
Steven, as far as I know Betvoyager doesn't block people that earn much money. But they do limit the amount u can withdraw from them each time if u constantly win huge amounts of money.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 02, 06:51 PM 2014
Steven1212 - To avoid the risk of losing posts, particularly longer ones, is to use Microsoft Word or similar where you can save/edit &/or write it up in parts hours/days later. It then becomes a simple transfer across to the Forum.

As to Paddy Power, I tried to sign up with them to check their limits but was blocked because OZ is one of many countries not allowed to have an account.

New Zealand is a country that is permitted so I put in a phony address over there but was still blocked. Obviously they have country of origin internet recognition.

So with that in mind it's interesting to see your mention of Buckingham Palace & therefore the UK as your address ? I see from your member details you list your origin country as Columbia but now it's France and Belgium ?  If any of these countries are on on the PP banned list then as you say you were travelling you must have been in a country that is accepted (Smart Phone etc.).

My experience with on line accounts is that to join up you can put in all the false details you like, deposit money, play & even win heaps of money but the problem would be getting the funds out. The ID conditions require proof of address from a number of angles as well as the deposit account must also link to your address. This all relates in to Global anti money laundering laws. To put in phony details would probably create a mismatched set of details & so they would block the release of funds. Like how would you prove you lived at Buckingham Palace ?

As to playing at Party Casino, they flag themselves as the Worlds largest on line casino. I don't think the amounts you are talking about would phase them.
You can bet in GBP or Dollars but whatever you start with you have to stay with, they won't let you change.

They have a rewards system (as well as Party points similar to frequent flyer etc.) that is graded from bronze level to platinum. It's all based on your play through amounts. The longer/more you bet over your play session(s) the higher the level you reach. Each level has a monthly withdraw limit. Bronze is 20,000, Silver 25,000, Gold 50,000, Platinum 100,000, Super Platinum 150,000.

With the party points they can be spent at the gift shop on things like clothing, watches, cameras, computers. The top reward is a Lamborgini which needs 750,000 pts = millions of pounds/dollars of play throughs. You can also get some "cash back" to add to your account. It's not of any great value as they prevent you from playing with it on the live dealer games, RNG only. 

As to live B & M casino play you would probably be OK using your program on Rapid Roulette (that's the game with touch sceen terminals & a live dealer spun wheel) ?
Naturally wherever you play you would always be recorded on their cameras. The Dozens & Columns have a $5 min. to $500 max. At the chip tables they ban people talking/using their phones at the table but don't seem too concerned if they walk a few metres away. I don't see much of a problem if you run your bet program away from the table then with the bet worked out then just walk up & lay your bet. Would probably work best at medium/busy periods where the spins are 2 - 3 minutes apart.

At my local casino Rapid Roulette has a cash out ticket system. Anything under 1k can be redeemed at the cash ticket machine. There's nothing to stop you from printing out a cash out ticket, if winning, below $1k over & over again.  Cashing out $1,000, casinos don't consider these amounts as significant especially when I've been lined up at the cashiers window & see many people cashing in numbers of $1,000 & $100 chips. What you never know is if they're picking up some profit or just cutting their losses & running ?

Over time, if your method of play is consistantly successful, the profits allow you to open & play at many different casinos (including B & M) at ever increasing minimum limits.

On line casinos always have records of your bets. There is a clause in their terms & conditions that they can cancel your account without having to give a reason. They have a bet analysis program. A few hundred per day probably wouldn't worry them ? A few thousand a day could ?

Theory is one thing but you're yet to "get it done". If successful the more you spread your plays the less likely you'll have to worry about the money tap turning off.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 02, 11:12 PM 2014
Steven1212 - Just looking at your L5 Grand Marty Progression (GMP). Calc'ing it as units it's 1, 3, 7, 15, 31 = 57. So to play your game at any casino needs a min. max ratio(m/m/r) of 1 : 57.

For example at my local casino Rapid Roulette has a doz./col. $5 min & a $500 max. so m/m/r is 1 : 100 & so playable. At the $5 chip table The 2 : 1 bets are $10 min & $500 = m/m/r @ 1 : 50 & so only playable to L4.

So it shows that not every casino meets your progression needs.  As previously mentioned with Smart live the Dozen limits won't allow a level 5 GMP, whereas the columns will allow a GMP to L8.

I assume that your bet program quickly analyises the changing bet patterns as the game progresses. Doing it manually, while probably posssible, takes too long in relation to bet cycles & may have a higher error risk ?

As to casino payouts both Smart Live & Party have always coughed up the dollars. They always have a processing delay of around 3 business days. B & M casinos are best for payouts as it's lay down your chips or print out ticket & they deal out the cash. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 02, 11:19 PM 2014
Correction on Smart Live Dozen limit 5 to 500 is 1 : 100 so a L5 GMP is possible - sorry about that.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: amk on Feb 03, 06:54 AM 2014
Hello Steven,

Welcome to the forum.

Looking forward to reviewing your system and seeing were it leads.

Looks like it will be a very interesting thread.

Thanks in advance for sharing a method you feel is very valuable.

AMK
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Interstate89 on Feb 03, 07:36 AM 2014
steven1212 you want to win the big ones but the casinos have payout limits. you need to check the casino-terms to see the limits. a playtech casino i use has 9000 per month withdraw limit.

you can win tens of thousands of dollars but you are not able to take it out in one withdraw.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 03, 08:03 AM 2014
Quote from: ausguy on Feb 02, 11:12 PM 2014
As to casino payouts both Smart Live & Party have always coughed up the dollars. They always have a processing delay of around 3 business days. B & M casinos are best for payouts as it's lay down your chips or print out ticket & they deal out the cash.
I have to disagree with u here Ausguy,
Smart Live is known to refuse payouts according to the CasinoMeister Rogue list.
link:://:.casinomeister.com/rogue/ (link:://:.casinomeister.com/rogue/)
But I don't see any problem with Party Casino
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 08:27 AM 2014
Hello ausguy,

Thank you very much for this valuable piece of information regarding the casinos you use. It's exactly the kind of things we need to learn about in order to find a fair casino where we will be able to play the system I'm about to expose.

Only one problem in your analysis. You say that my progression is 1,3,7,15,31 and I wish it was, but unfortunately this is wrong as it would be the gmp for even chances. Remember that we are betting in two dozens. The gmp I use is 1-1, 4-4, 13-13, 40-40, 121-121. The ration needs to be 1:121.

There are very few land casinos that will allow you such table limits. For me it's not really a problem because in land casinos I would be comfortable to play the system with a three steps prog only. I don't do it for one reason. The only automatic table where I live had a 5-150 limit on dozens. That's not enough profit per unit for me. I don't want to play unit sizes under 10 GPB  anymore.

Cheers,
Steve


Quote from: ausguy on Feb 02, 11:12 PM 2014
Steven1212 - Just looking at your L5 Grand Marty Progression (GMP). Calc'ing it as units it's 1, 3, 7, 15, 31 = 57. So to play your game at any casino needs a min. max ratio(m/m/r) of 1 : 57.

For example at my local casino Rapid Roulette has a doz./col. $5 min & a $500 max. so m/m/r is 1 : 100 & so playable. At the $5 chip table The 2 : 1 bets are $10 min & $500 = m/m/r @ 1 : 50 & so only playable to L4.

So it shows that not every casino meets your progression needs.  As previously mentioned with Smart live the Dozen limits won't allow a level 5 GMP, whereas the columns will allow a GMP to L8.

I assume that your bet program quickly analyises the changing bet patterns as the game progresses. Doing it manually, while probably posssible, takes too long in relation to bet cycles & may have a higher error risk ?

As to casino payouts both Smart Live & Party have always coughed up the dollars. They always have a processing delay of around 3 business days. B & M casinos are best for payouts as it's lay down your chips or print out ticket & they deal out the cash.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 08:30 AM 2014
Amk,

It's a pleasure to meet you here and welcome to this thread. The system I am about to propose will be dedicated to JL, atlantis and you. It couldn't have come to life without the three of you.
Not sure what I will call it yet. Code 1 million, or Code Victory would be fitting. But maybe a bit too arrogant....

Cheers,

Steven


Quote from: amk on Feb 03, 06:54 AM 2014
Hello Steven,

Welcome to the forum.

Looking forward to reviewing your system and seeing were it leads.

Looks like it will be a very interesting thread.

Thanks in advance for sharing a method you feel is very valuable.

AMK
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 03, 10:35 AM 2014
SamNL - This CasinoMeister thing has come up a few times in the past. You base just two events (one sided stories around 2 years old) out of hundreds of thousands of Smart Live payouts that would have been made in that time. If SL was a big problem we would have heard about on CC & VLS by now ? I'm not the only forum member here that plays at SL.

When I say Smart Live & Party have always coughed up the dollars I mean that's how it's been for me = never had any issues being paid.

As to the CasinoMeister information it's not actually coming directly from the account holders themselves but 3rd hand by another forum member.

In a court most of that CasinoMeister forum stuff would be regarded as hearsay and/or lacking evidence & therefore invalid. Besides forum members don't concern casinos as  it's just thousands on all forums VS hundreds of millions that play World Wide.

The 1st case relates to "unusual betting activities" stated by Smart Live ? On RNG games I think they don't allow robotic play but that would need to be confirmed ? Perhaps it could relate to deposit/withdrawal anomalies ?

Looking at their Terms & Conditions they have set procedures for betting (available for anyone to read on their home page). There are dispute procedures in place via the Maltese Gaming Authority(MGA), where they have an independent 3rd party adjudicating on disputes. It seems to me from the way the CasinoMeister relays the information that the account holder did not make an official application to the MGA for a dispute decision ? I think the phone call thing is BS as ID & A/C details plus bet details would need to be supplied in writing ?

The 2nd case has an account holder with 11,000 in his balance but he doesn't do anything with it for 2 years ? How someone can't find 10 minutes sometime over 2 years to activate a withdrawal is difficult to fathom ?

In their SL T & C's they state an inactive account after 12 months has a 5 Euro p/mth admin fee up to 2 1/2 years (30 months) after which they try to send the funds to the A/C holders account. If that fails then it is sent to the MGA. They, SL, also should notify the A/C holder by email once 12 months has passed ?  By MGA law SL can't keep the money.

If you doubt the procedures read up on all the SL  T & C's, then go to the MGA site & read part of the scores of pages of regulations. The relevant part being the audit rules. These audits are very comprehensive & carried out by qualified independent accountants. Things like keeping legitimate A/C monies just wouldn't be allowed.

Again that A/C holder could have used the dispute process via the MGA.






Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 03, 10:47 AM 2014
CasinoMeister once gave an unfavorable rating to a casino because it had a bad name.  No, it was not The TwoCat Casino.

Bad name??  How about Meryl Streep?  Bad as it gets but who cares?

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 03, 10:51 AM 2014
I stand corrected Ausguy,
I was wrong about Smart Live
Thank you for the information.

I do however prefer BetVoyager, never had any problems with them and I've never found any bad stories about BetVoyager either
And BV T&C are good too.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 11:32 AM 2014
Hello ausguy,

Could you tell us about the dozen and columns limits on smart live and party casino to see if we could use my system with a 5 step progression (1,4,13,40,121) ? Do these tables have the 1:121 ratio were looking for ?

Cheers

Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 03, 08:27 AM 2014
Hello ausguy,

Thank you very much for this valuable piece of information regarding the casinos you use. It's exactly the kind of things we need to learn about in order to find a fair casino where we will be able to play the system I'm about to expose.

Only one problem in your analysis. You say that my progression is 1,3,7,15,31 and I wish it was, but unfortunately this is wrong as it would be the gmp for even chances. Remember that we are betting in two dozens. The gmp I use is 1-1, 4-4, 13-13, 40-40, 121-121. The ration needs to be 1:121.

There are very few land casinos that will allow you such table limits. For me it's not really a problem because in land casinos I would be comfortable to play the system with a three steps prog only. I don't do it for one reason. The only automatic table where I live had a 5-150 limit on dozens. That's not enough profit per unit for me. I don't want to play unit sizes under 10 GPB  anymore.

Cheers,
Steve
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 03, 11:55 AM 2014
Hi steven1212,

At smart "LIVE DEALER" you can play the 4 lines @ £1 each up to limit of £300 so if you adjusted your progression slightly to start at 2u per dozen you could do it....? Then switch over to dozens once you're past the 4-4 step (2-2-2-2 lines)

:)

You're ok on the cols as they currently start at £1.

I also play at SLC and had no problems at all. The Live Dealer seems fair and I trust them.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: amk on Feb 03, 11:59 AM 2014
Why not use one or two triggers Steven?

This way you can stay within the table limits of any live casino.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 03, 12:16 PM 2014
steven1212 - When you mentioned Super Marty (GMP), previously in past years its always been double up the units plus 1 unit thus the 1, 3, 7, 15, 31. I realise it's 2 dozens you are playing as I've often played them myself. The 1 : 57 ratio relates to one dozen & obviously the bet outlays needs to be multiplied by two for dbl dozen bets. The goal is to win 1 unit then reset back to the minimum bet. So the bet levels would be 1-1, 3-3, 7-7, 15-15, 31-31

What I'm relating to is the bet limits on each dozen that a casino has. It's a quick way to see if your bet levels will allow your play at that casino.

As to your progression it's more than the usual triple up & as you've just revealed that fact then naturally are calcs. won't tally.

Your mention of the the 1 : 121 ratio doesn't seem correct. L1 - L4 also needs to be added = 1 + 4 + 13 + 40 + 121 = 1 : 179.
Party Casino may accommodate 10 GBP bets & L5 would be 1,790 but I'm not sure if 3,580 would be well over the total table allowance ?

5GBP min. bets may work OK as the spins are around 60 p/hr.

The rapid escalation nature of the bet levels on dbl doz/col has snookered many forum ideas. Somewhere on the forum there is a bet plan where the higher bets are divided to keep you in the game. The 6 point divisor plan is the one most discussed.

It's obvious you may need to revise your money management (MM) ?

Steve - just about to post when your new post came up. Smart Live dealer limits - Dozens 5 - 500.  Columns for some unknown reason 1 - 500.

Party Casino - All outside bets the same EC's & 2 : 1's. Min. 2   Max. 2,000. Choice of Dollars or GBP.

SamNL likes BetVoyager although I don't know if the have live dealer ?  It's not easy getting the exact bet limits at various live dealer casinos. I've spent a bit of time looking into it but most you have to sign up to get access. I didn't want to do that as eventually you end up with your email flooded with promo's.



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 03, 12:50 PM 2014
Quote from: ausguy on Feb 03, 12:16 PM 2014
SamNL likes BetVoyager although I don't know if the have live dealer ?
BetVoyager does have Live Dealer. The Live Casino is called BetVenture.
Limits are 1-600 or 2-1200 on the VIP table at BetVenture. I've also just checked Smart Live and the limits on the Live Dealer or the Auto Wheel at Smart Live are 5-600 on Dozens or 1-600 on the Columns
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 03, 02:04 PM 2014
Hi SamNL,
At BV is it true you have to join some third party payment processor called skrill/moneybookers and they deduct fees from your winnings for processing withdrawals? (I'm aware of the deductions on winnings for nozero roulette by BV)
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 03:51 PM 2014
Thank you atlantis. This is a good idea. I will look into it. At my local casino, for example, I could not reach a 4th step progression if I bet on dozens only. However, if I used single numbers to fill my dozens, I could because of the extremely low limits in inside bets. It's just would take a while to place my bets and towers of chips to reach the last steps of the prog...


Quote from: atlantis on Feb 03, 11:55 AM 2014
Hi steven1212,

At smart "LIVE DEALER" you can play the 4 lines @ £1 each up to limit of £300 so if you adjusted your progression slightly to start at 2u per dozen you could do it....? Then switch over to dozens once you're past the 4-4 step (2-2-2-2 lines)

:)

You're ok on the cols as they currently start at £1.

I also play at SLC and had no problems at all. The Live Dealer seems fair and I trust them.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 03:54 PM 2014
Amk, my system works so many time in the first step that waiting for triggers such as a virtual loss takes too long and unfortunately I do not have patience for such style of play. I know it's bad and I'll probably regret sooner or later.

Quote from: amk on Feb 03, 11:59 AM 2014
Why not use one or two triggers Steven?

This way you can stay within the table limits of any live casino.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 04:15 PM 2014
Dear ausguy, I am sorry but my English may be not good enough to understand your last message.

However, if I understood it properly I take the conclusion that you are disagreeing with my progression? In that case I am going to have to keep arguing with you on that and I don't think at all that I need to revise my money management system nor my maths...
The point of the martingale raise your bet after your loss to always win one unit. The point of a super/grand martingale is the same except you aim to add one more unit to your earnings after every spin you lose. So yes, what you say is correct, you double up your stake and add 1 but that is right ONLY FOR EVEN CHANCES BETS that pay 1:1. But as you mentioned even yourself we are not betting on even chances but dozens where the payout is 2:1. And because you bet on two dozens at the same time, your payout is actually equivalent to 1:2.

Therefore, when using a martingale with a system that bets on two dozens, you do not double your previous stake after a loss, BUT YOU TRIPLE IT. On each of the dozens.
If I followed your progression, at the third step that you suggest (7-7) I would not win the 3 units I'm supposed to win. Actually, I would not even win one single unit. I would be at loss because I've already lost 1+1+3+3=8 and I only made 7 units profit on the last bet =-1 profit. Does it make more sense now?

So I say it again, the grand martingale for a system that bets on two dozens is 1-1,4-4,13-13,40-40,121-121. If you don't believe me, ask anyone else in the forum and they should confirm to you that this is the correct progression. Unless I am loosing my mind ? Amk, atlantis. You guys are experts of dozen matrix systems. Am I loosing my mind ? I hope not, it good mean I'm going crazy too regarding the grail!
If I misunderstood your past message and you actually agreed with me, please forgive me and disregard my reply.

I am a bit confused about the 1:179 ratio bit, sorry again for my bad understanding of English, I know it can make the communication a bit harsh sometimes. But let me tell you again that the limit ratio I am looking for as far as table limits are concerned is 1:121 because my first bet is 1 and my last bet is 121. Therefore, my last bet is only 121 times bigger than my first bet and I don't why you bring 179 in that equation.

Regarding other money management system, I am very familiar indeed with professor Lanky's six point divisor plan. It works well with some systems and I thank you for your suggestion but I don't think it is the most appropriate mm for my system. The reason is that my system will not fail a 5 step progression, or at least I do not think that my luck is that bad. Therefore, I will raise my bankroll much faster with a martingale than with a divisor strategy. I don't see why I shouldn't use the martingale, then? I add to this that the divisor plans relies a lot on the ration of winners versus looser. Wouldn't work for me. The system I use will give you 3,4 or 5 bets to place in a row. Out of 5 bets, maybe 4 will lose and 1 will win. It doesn't matter, because my only guarantee is that at least one will win. Thus the grand martingale.....

In any case, I want to thank you again for all your contribution to this thread and I hope to continue seeing you here very often.

Cheers mate,

Steven

Quote from: ausguy on Feb 03, 12:16 PM 2014
steven1212 - When you mentioned Super Marty (GMP), previously in past years its always been double up the units plus 1 unit thus the 1, 3, 7, 15, 31. I realise it's 2 dozens you are playing as I've often played them myself. The 1 : 57 ratio relates to one dozen & obviously the bet outlays needs to be multiplied by two for dbl dozen bets. The goal is to win 1 unit then reset back to the minimum bet. So the bet levels would be 1-1, 3-3, 7-7, 15-15, 31-31

What I'm relating to is the bet limits on each dozen that a casino has. It's a quick way to see if your bet levels will allow your play at that casino.

As to your progression it's more than the usual triple up & as you've just revealed that fact then naturally are calcs. won't tally.

Your mention of the the 1 : 121 ratio doesn't seem correct. L1 - L4 also needs to be added = 1 + 4 + 13 + 40 + 121 = 1 : 179.
Party Casino may accommodate 10 GBP bets & L5 would be 1,790 but I'm not sure if 3,580 would be well over the total table allowance ?

5GBP min. bets may work OK as the spins are around 60 p/hr.

The rapid escalation nature of the bet levels on dbl doz/col has snookered many forum ideas. Somewhere on the forum there is a bet plan where the higher bets are divided to keep you in the game. The 6 point divisor plan is the one most discussed.

It's obvious you may need to revise your money management (MM) ?

Steve - just about to post when your new post came up. Smart Live dealer limits - Dozens 5 - 500.  Columns for some unknown reason 1 - 500.

Party Casino - All outside bets the same EC's & 2 : 1's. Min. 2   Max. 2,000. Choice of Dollars or GBP.

SamNL likes BetVoyager although I don't know if the have live dealer ?  It's not easy getting the exact bet limits at various live dealer casinos. I've spent a bit of time looking into it but most you have to sign up to get access. I didn't want to do that as eventually you end up with your email flooded with promo's.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 03, 04:31 PM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 03, 02:04 PM 2014
Hi SamNL,
At BV is it true you have to join some third party payment processor called skrill/moneybookers and they deduct fees from your winnings for processing withdrawals? (I'm aware of the deductions on winnings for nozero roulette by BV)
A.
Hi Atlantis,
It is true that you have to join a third party payment processor like Skrill or Neteller. But BV doesn't deduct fees from withdrawals. They only do that on winnings from the No Zero Roulette RNG like u said.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 04:37 PM 2014
SamNL, does this mean that you cannot just deposit and withdraw money through regular wire transfer from your bank?
If that's the case it sucks for me and people like me because I am asking a friend to create an account for me and he's already a bit annoyed, so I do not think that he would enjoy as well to open a skrill account. I will look into this and let you know all about my findings....
Arrgghhh, i would have thought that the casinos would have been so desperate to take everyones money that it would have been simpler even for dirty mafia money from anywhere in the world. I never thought I would find the system but not the casino... lol

Quote from: SamNL on Feb 03, 04:31 PM 2014
Hi Atlantis,
It is true that you have to join a third party payment processor like Skrill or Neteller. But BV doesn't deduct fees from withdrawals. They only do that on winnings from the No Zero Roulette RNG like u said.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 03, 07:09 PM 2014
I've just checked it on BetVoyager and the only way u can deposit and withdraw money are through Neteller and Skrill.
The only wire transfer option BV offers is through Skrill.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 07:25 PM 2014
Hey all,

I just re read the thread and realized that my screenshot of the Paddy Power live roulette table did not go through the first time so here it is again.

As you can see on the screenshots, the limits for dozens and column are min 1gpb - max 12,000 gpb. This is what I'm talking about.
It's a fantastic opportunity for us who have a system that is invisible with a Martingale prog.

But I need the help from people who have used paddy power. Is this real? Will the limits remain the same when I actually deposit money in my account or is it just a lure ? More importantly, will they remain the same when I start martingaling ? Will they pay me out ?

If anyone can give is us info it will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Steven
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 03, 09:14 PM 2014
Steven1212 - I've run off the rails there with my info. I was posting late so it goes to show what mistakes you can make when tired. I've had a sleep & I can't believe the errors I've made there.

Yes you're correct on the 1 : 121 thing there for the bet limit. 1 : 179 is the single BR needed then multiplied by 2 for the total BR.

The Grand Martingale Progression GMP on the double dozen bets is perhaps a poor description from me. More appropriate would be the double dozen Marty triple up bets.
The 1-1, 3-3 is correct but the rest is rubbish except as you say for the EC bets. For 5 levels & to win just 1 unit it needs to be 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27,81-81 @ 242 total.

Just looking at your 1-1, 4-4, 13-13, 40-40, 121-121  5 level progression I calc. any wins as matching whatever level the win is achieved at. I see that each level is x3 + 1.

So on any win, L1 = +1, L2  = +2, L3 = +3, L4 = +4 & L5 = +5.  My experience is that a lot of wins will come at L1 & L2 so you would not be getting +3 unit wins until L3. Adding the theoretical wins of all 5 levels is +15/5 = +3 average but as the wins won't be evenly distributed the average should be below +2, maybe in the +1.5 range ?

As to the MM element I think you will find it difficult to fit your progression into many casinos table limits ? Many casinos don't want to give too big of a progression advantage as they are well aware of systematic players.

As to opening up an account in a friends name I think that's a can of worms. It's the human factor as what interest you may find your friend far less enthusiastic ? Also valid would be his worry about his normal transactions being mixed up with your casino transactions, Although some nice "free" money usually relieves stress ?

An alternative would be to open up an extra account in your friends name that you could operate, Visa or Mastercard linked. Surely that could come later as there would be plenty of "lettuce" available from just the account/card you have now ?  Another worry for you would be the same bet patterns from different accounts. Casino software checks all these things. If they "smell a rat" they won't pay out. One thing they'd ID would be a new account with little transaction history. Read about that in Smart Live &/or Party Casino's terms & conditions.

Spending as much time as necessary in searching for suitable on line casinos would be worthwhile, even if you have to sign up to find out. You can always flick the ones that don't stack up. Having 4 or 5 non linked casinos A/C's should be more than enough to keep you going for a long long time ? I see you've found Paddy Power potentially very good. Why don't you spend a little bit of money & sign up to play & then you'll answer your doubts 100% ? I think PP uses the same dealers as Party ?

Unfortunately PP blocks A/C's in many countries. My OZ is one, USA is two. For OZ I think it's The Isle Of Man factor that stops it, probably some compliance issue. ? USA regs limit just about all international play. Many forum members are US based & a few from OZ too.

Money laundering is the main concern for governments/gaming regulators worldwide. Casinos are tightly regulated & any money over $10,000 (here in OZ) withdrawn requires ID at B & M casinos plus the transaction is reported. It's the same with on line A/C's except they already have your ID so it's automatically reported.
Before on line casinos payout they check that everything matches. Playing from a different country for example would probably see them stopping the withdrawal ?

I agree with you about the 6 point divisor. As you are well aware of all the pro's & cons with it so no need to say any more about that.

Steve - when are you going to post your system/method ? Some in play examples would also be good.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 03, 11:49 PM 2014
Augury, nice hearing from you and glad to know that we agree on the progression now! To finish off with this topic, I want to let you know that 80%+ of the wins will come on the first bet. Around 20% on the second bet. Very few times it will push the progression to the third step and I don't remember seeing it fail. The 4th and 5th steps are just for security and peace of mind during continuous play.

Regarding my system, I have already started writing it down for all of you guys. It's a bit lengthy to expose and I want to make sure it's all very clear so that all of you understand it from the very first post...

It will come this week to the forum. Will warn you a few hours before. In the meantime, if you haven't read amk's code 4 (which is the spine of my system) please study it thoroughly.

I'm just a bit dispointed that no one is helping me regarding the paddy power issue. I know some are probably watching this thread with the answer I want but don't care to share it. They are just waiting for my system to come out. I wish it could go both ways....  Please come out of your silence pm you who has the answer I,m seeking!

I'm off to bed now. Cheers!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 04, 12:15 AM 2014
Steve - PP has a great spread. If they show it & you've put the image up, then that's what it is.

Now the not so good news. I was looking at PP's Terms & Conditions & found at item 3. Registration Process, Prohibited juristrictions, then 3rd line down click LINK for the full list of banned A/C countries. Belgium & France is on there plus Germany & Spain. USA, Canada & OZ & plenty more.

So at this stage it looks like no go for you at PP. It might have something to do with being incorporated in Ireland, reg'd office in the Isle Of Man & the Gambling Juristriction controlled in the Channel Islands ? (Off the coast at Normandy, it seems they govern themselves as does the Isle Of Man). I can only think they may not be members of some kind of International betting agency compliance group ? There may be money laundering issues ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: weddings on Feb 04, 12:42 AM 2014
Have you tried betfair? So far only betfair and paddy has the best spread. Betfair pays me in 24 hours usually. About your system no outside bets can win for long. It is either you have been lucky till now or your test is not sufficient. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: amk on Feb 04, 01:38 AM 2014
I might be missing something Steven as I have not read all post but if you want a 5 step progression on two dozens it's.  1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81

This gives you plus 1 unit on each step and since you feel you will never lose a progression I would use this progression as you can play at any live casino and you can always get a bot made to play for you online. just rotate playing at 5 or more casinos.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 04, 01:39 AM 2014
Weddings - What country are you in ? I Just had a look at Betfair casino (USA) in their Terms & Conditions & they don't seem too orientated to overseas accounts ?

I logged into live chat & waited 15 minutes for a response but gave up waiting. I see something about taxes on wins over $1,200 ? Overall it seems like too many hurdles to jump over.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 04, 02:43 AM 2014
AMK - My post #61 & Stevens post #62 discusses that very 5 level progression subject. Steven wants to win more than just one unit for any bet level above L1 that the std. triple up gives, thus his step up progression.

In his post today @ 6:49pm he says that nearly all his bets win at either L1 or L2 with an occassional bet at L3.    L4 & L5 are there as back up.

It's proving, so far, a challenging task to find 5 or more suitable casinos.

His method, to be revealed later this week, will show how different it is to how most of us play the dbl. dozens. (how different can you play 2 out of 3 positions ?)

Weddings - I think your opinion on 2 : 1 bets (& EC's) is close to the mark. I played the 2 : 1's quite a lot last year both B & M & on Line.
I was only playing to L3  as 1-1, 3-3, 9-9. Any L3 loss (26 units) I'd stop betting & either return later for on line play or switch tables at B & M play.

Obviously 26 single wins is needed to recover. Kept spin records sometimes showed losses past L5. Zero is often a factor also. A L5 loss will either send you bust or make a big hole in the BR. As that's a 358 unit outlay risk for 5 levels.   
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 04, 03:24 AM 2014
Hi Steven

Have a look at Dafabet.com based in Phillipines, but authorized to play in Belgium.


Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: weddings on Feb 04, 03:25 AM 2014
Since he is sure that it nv goes above 4th or 5th level why not put all his bankroll there. If you are not confident in putting all your money there then you are not sure. Why insist on +1 on each level of your progression? If system is a winning one you just have to play more to earn. Unless you are waiting for a virtual loss in your system which is a long trigger to wait for. But that shows you have encountered a loss in your testings, thus waiting for that trigger.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: martinnng on Feb 04, 06:36 AM 2014
I've just checked it on BetVoyager and the only way u can deposit and withdraw money are through Neteller and Skrill.
The only wire transfer option BV offers is through Skrill.


I just see the BV depositing page and in my account they offer these types of deposits, including MasterCard & Visa.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 04, 07:35 AM 2014
Dear ausguy, this is exactly why I need to use a friends name or create a PP account from an authorized country, and this is exactly why I need to be sure of what I do before I'm doing it. Thank for your research and contribution.

Quote from: ausguy on Feb 04, 12:15 AM 2014
Steve - PP has a great spread. If they show it & you've put the image up, then that's what it is.

Now the not so good news. I was looking at PP's Terms & Conditions & found at item 3. Registration Process, Prohibited juristrictions, then 3rd line down click LINK for the full list of banned A/C countries. Belgium & France is on there plus Germany & Spain. USA, Canada & OZ & plenty more.

So at this stage it looks like no go for you at PP. It might have something to do with being incorporated in Ireland, reg'd office in the Isle Of Man & the Gambling Juristriction controlled in the Channel Islands ? (Off the coast at Normandy, it seems they govern themselves as does the Isle Of Man). I can only think they may not be members of some kind of International betting agency compliance group ? There may be money laundering issues ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 04, 07:37 AM 2014
Weddings - I users bet fair a lot for football bets and I like their poker exchange game too,. Yeah, you guessed right. I love gambling!
But from what I remember they offer very very low limits on live dealer roulette tables. Or has this changed ?


Quote from: weddings on Feb 04, 12:42 AM 2014
Have you tried betfair? So far only betfair and paddy has the best spread. Betfair pays me in 24 hours usually. About your system no outside bets can win for long. It is either you have been lucky till now or your test is not sufficient. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 04, 07:48 AM 2014
Amk,

Since by now I got greedy I like to use a grand martingale thus the progression 1,4,13,40,121. Every spin I get 1 unit more than the previous so by the 5th step of the progression the profit would be +5.
Also, I say that my system (which is actually more your system than my system!) works because the losing events are way too rare for you to around that one time in 500,000 thousand that it will lose. Like I said, I have yet to see it fail the 3rd step of the prog.
So my theory is that since it does go to 2nd and 3rd step sometimes, why not use this opportunity to make more cash. The end result is that I reach my daily goal faster, I get to spend the money faster too, and I don't need to linger on at the table and I reduce the chances to face the 1 in 500,000 sequence that could kill me....

Please hang around because I will soon reveal the system I created that is the system you created which is the system JL created. You will like it....


Quote from: amk on Feb 04, 01:38 AM 2014
I might be missing something Steven as I have not read all post but if you want a 5 step progression on two dozens it's.  1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81

This gives you plus 1 unit on each step and since you feel you will never lose a progression I would use this progression as you can play at any live casino and you can always get a bot made to play for you online. just rotate playing at 5 or more casinos.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 04, 07:52 AM 2014
5 steps + all BR is just for extra safety and peace of mind. I'm very confident.... Why insist on +1 more each step. I'm in a rush to spend all the money I'm about to make. Not virtual loss or trigger for me. Although if you did you'd make sure that you never ever loose your BR. Only problem: i haven't seen a loss yet. You might fall asleep before your trigger comes....

Quote from: weddings on Feb 04, 03:25 AM 2014
Since he is sure that it nv goes above 4th or 5th level why not put all his bankroll there. If you are not confident in putting all your money there then you are not sure. Why insist on +1 on each level of your progression? If system is a winning one you just have to play more to earn. Unless you are waiting for a virtual loss in your system which is a long trigger to wait for. But that shows you have encountered a loss in your testings, thus waiting for that trigger.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 04, 11:50 AM 2014
Quote from: martinnng on Feb 04, 06:36 AM 2014
I just see the BV depositing page and in my account they offer these types of deposits, including MasterCard & Visa.
If u go through with the Mastercard or Visa option u still have to go through Skrill. I have tested this yesterday.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 04, 11:54 AM 2014
Guys I've started writing down the system. Will be ready soon for posting. Should I post it in this thread or create a fresh new one ?
I remind you too that as of now we still won't be able to use the system because no casino will let us. Unless maybe Paddy Power. I'm the one who told you all about the Paddy Power spreads and I'm the one who will also give you the system. Please try to help me with the casinos.. If you know anything, speak up. It must go both ways...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 04, 11:57 AM 2014
Sent you PM abt PP.

Best if start with new thread IMHO.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 04, 12:50 PM 2014
Just posted an idea for a system here: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13906.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13906.0)

Please pay attention to this: THIS IS NOT my invisible holy grail. It's just a random idea that I thought of and thought we could discuss. As far as I am concerned, I do not think it can work. So don't waste too much energy wait for my system this week...

Cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 06, 07:45 AM 2014
Any updates on your invincible system Steven? It's been quiet in this topic for a few days now.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 06, 08:29 AM 2014
Steven said he was travelling this week ... I guess he is on his way back home. A days rest and he should be posting his Invincible System soon.

Thanks Steven in advance


B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 06, 08:42 AM 2014
Thanks Steven in advance from me too.

I really appreciate the fact that u want to share your invincible system with us all.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 07, 02:00 PM 2014
Please post the link in this topic once you create it. Regarding PP, I have an account there, only played a couple of times, and withdrawed once. No trouble at all in my experience.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 07, 02:27 PM 2014
vladir - stevens problem with PP is that he lives in a banned account country.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 07, 07:39 PM 2014
Guys, very sorry for the delay. Been in testing live all week with rather good result but I think I found a way to tweak the system and make it even better. Please hang on.. It's coming out soon!

Cheers,
S
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 08, 06:47 AM 2014
Hey Steven,

It's good to hear from you again.

I'll be waiting patiently for your invincible system to come out  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 08, 06:59 AM 2014
Hi All,
I will also have a CODE 4 update to be released shortly... :)

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 08, 10:14 AM 2014
Wow, that's fantastic atlantis. I'm glad to hear you got back into code 4. It's think it's a serious way to beat roulette. Should I wait for you to post your update first or it doesn't matter ?
Where should we look for it? In a a new thread or the original one ?

Cheers

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 08, 06:59 AM 2014
Hi All,
I will also have a CODE 4 update to be released shortly... :)

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 08, 10:56 AM 2014
Hi steven,

I think we should both start new topics. However, to be honest, I do not wish to steal your thunder or detract attention away from your revelations of the so-called 'invincible' so I will wait until some time after you publish before posting my own humble update which will probably be quite different anyhow... (it is only really just some cosmetic tweaking of one of the existing ways of playing code4)

Oh - and I think you're right what you said about code 4 and I agree its worth a serious look.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 08, 01:33 PM 2014
Too-do-do-do to do do...........Jeopardy Music...

We pace and wait.............

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 08, 02:00 PM 2014
I'll take " Can I Hit It " for 100
or
I'll take " Roulette a Go-Go" for 200

Feel free to jump in.

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 08, 02:10 PM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 08, 10:56 AM 2014
Oh - and I think you're right what you said about code 4 and I agree its worth a serious look.
I agree with this.  :thumbsup:

Although it has been some time since I've played Code 4, I do remember having some good results with it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 08, 02:35 PM 2014
Who has a link to the finalized, totally tweaked Code 4?

Alex, I'll take "How to lose me arse" for 100
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 08, 03:49 PM 2014
I would personally wait for Code Invincible from Steven, Sam.

But that's how I think about it
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 08, 03:58 PM 2014
" Code Invincible "

I like it


B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foogus on Feb 08, 07:53 PM 2014
Quote from: martinnng on Feb 04, 06:36 AM 2014
I've just checked it on BetVoyager and the only way u can deposit and withdraw money are through Neteller and Skrill.
The only wire transfer option BV offers is through Skrill.


I just see the BV depositing page and in my account they offer these types of deposits, including MasterCard & Visa.

Jumping in here late I know, but my recommendation is to not use Skrill (Moneybookers).  They are thieves IMHO, worse than the worst online casinos.  This is the reason they changed their name from Moneybookers, their reputation got so bad. They will put you through hoops trying to get your identification documents accepted so that you can withdraw your money.  If you are one of the lucky ones you will have your money a few weeks after you get it there from your casino, if you are unlucky you will not get it at all. They will put all sorts of obstacles in your way to not pay you.   I spent 3 months trying to get $3000 from them.  The usual answer was that my documents were not clear enough.  I got this answer 5 times.  Then the documents were too old, which was a lie.  How can a current passport be too old?  They have a procedure where if you query their answer you get put on the end of a queue, then you have to wait about a week for them to get to you again, they give you a quick answer of not good enough, please resubmit documents.  From the complaints I have read this is a standard answer. The trouble is when you resubmit they put you on the end of the queue again and you have to wait another week.  They want your money as long as they can keep it. 

Neteller on the other hand I have never had a problem with.

AVOID SKRILL/MONEYBOOKERS LIKE THE PLAGUE.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 09, 12:22 PM 2014
Steven

Is CODE INVINCIBLE still holding its own against the wheel, or has it met its MASTER yet ?

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 09, 10:44 PM 2014
Bump
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 10, 02:53 AM 2014
If it was so invincible then surely it wouldn't need any tweaks

Remaining sceptical here, but happy to be proven wrong of course!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 10, 12:18 PM 2014
Looks like this has fizzled out like a damp squib!

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 10, 12:38 PM 2014
Atlantis

This is just HIS was of building suspense.  Just when you'd bet you could hear yourself sweat, he'll be back.

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 10, 12:40 PM 2014
Give Steven a chance ... I'm sure he'll come through...

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 10, 02:40 PM 2014
I agree with Buffster.

I'm willing to give Steven a chance to post his invincible system.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 10, 02:41 PM 2014
Quote from: SamNL on Feb 10, 02:40 PM 2014
I agree with Buffster.

I'm willing to give Steven a chance to post his invincible system.

I agree with you both, lets give him a chance. But until further notice, its still the invisible system!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 10, 02:44 PM 2014
Let's hope the invisible system becomes the invincible system soon. :P
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 11, 06:20 AM 2014
I've sent a PM to Steven to see if he responds. But the last day he's been online is 2 days ago on the 9th of February
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 11, 02:57 PM 2014
Hi,

While we wait for Steven1212 with the "INVINCIBLE" my tweak to code 4 is going along OK quite nicely...

Was thinking of naming it either:
CODE 4 SUPREME
CODE 4 SELECT
CODE 4 ULTRA
CODE 4 ELITE

Here are my latest results:

                  +0                                           
w1-1           +1
w1-1           +2
w2-2           +2                             
w1-1           +3
w1-1           +4
w1-1           +5             
w2-2           +5
w2-2           +6
w1-1           +7                                                                                 
w2-2           +7
w1-1           +8
w1-1           +9                                               
w3-3           +6 stay@3-3
w3-3          +9 down to 1-1
w1-1           +10                                   
w1-1           +11
w1-1           +12         
w1-1           +13
w1-1           +14
w1-1           +15
w2-2           +15
w1-1          +16                       
w3-3          +13 stay@3-3                                               
w3-3          +16 down to 1-1
w1-1          +17
w1-1          +18                                 
w3-3          +15 stay@3-3
w4-4          +13 stay@4-4
w4-4          +17 stay@4-4
w4-4          +21 down to 1-1                                       
w1-1          +22
w3-3          +19 stay@3-3                   
w4-4          +17 stay@4-4
w4-4          +21 stay@4-4
w4-4          +25 down to 1-1                         
w1-1          +26
w2-2          +26
w1-1          +27                                   
w1-1          +28
w1-1          +29
w3-3          +26 stay@3-3
w4-4          +24 stay@4-4
w4-4          +28 stay@4-4
w4-4          +32 down to 1-1
w2-2          +32
w3-3          +29 stay@3-3                     
w3-3          +32 down to 1-1
w1-1          +33                           
w1-1          +34 
w2-2          +34         
w2-2          +34
w1-1          +35
w3-3          +32 stay@3-3
w3-3          +35 down to 1-1                                             
w1-1          +36
w1-1          +37
w1-1          +38                         
w2-2          +38
w1-1          +39                         
L-12           +27 next bet=4-4
w4-4           +31
w4-4           +35 stay@4-4
w4-4           +39 down to 1-1
w2-2           +39
w1-1           +40
w1-1           +41
w1-1           +42
w2-2           +42
w1-1           +43
w1-1           +44
w2-2           +44
w1-1           +45
w1-1           +46
w1-1           +47
w1-1           +48
w2-2           +48
w1-1           +49
w1-1           +50
w1-1           +51
w2-2           +51
w2-2           +51
w2-2           +51
w1-1           +52
w1-1           +53
w2-2           +53
w1-1           +54
w1-1           +55
w1-1           +56
w1-1           +57
w3-3           +54 stay@3-3
w3-3           +57 down to 1-1
w1-1           +58
w1-1           +59
w1-1           +60
w2-2           +60
==END=======

Profit = +60 units
Longest Losing Run = 3
Highest Bet = 4-4


Atlantis.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 11, 03:06 PM 2014
atlantis

I guess you know what the follow up to your post is going to be.

Are you planning on sharing your tweak?

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 11, 03:13 PM 2014
Steven

My following remarks are not intended to inult you, so please don't read anything into them other than, I'm only trying to help.

OK

Don't know where you're at with CODE INVINCIBLE...if all's well, then GREAT.

If you've encountered some glitch in your system and you're at a crossroad. Maybe you could post what you have and have the community work on it with you.

There's no shame in asking for help or just some input from others.

Hoping we could be of some help.

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 11, 03:16 PM 2014
Hi buffster,

You wrote:
Quote
Are you planning on sharing your tweak?

Yes. This was just a taster/teaser to spark any interest...
But I will wait until steven1212 posts the "invincible" first as I indicated.
Who knows? Might be the SAME! Wouldn't that be fun? ;)

Imagine if using stevens 5-step grand marti. Profits would have been MUCH HIGHER!!!

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 11, 03:26 PM 2014
Your tweak to Code 4 is looking good Atlantis!
Very interesting.  :thumbsup:

I'm already looking forward to it.
Just like I'm looking forward to the 'Invincible' from Steven
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Blood Angel on Feb 11, 04:04 PM 2014
 :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 10, 12:38 PM 2014

This is just HIS was of building suspense.  Just when you'd bet you could hear yourself sweat, he'll be back.

Sam

I agree with you Sam  ;)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 11, 08:59 PM 2014
Not the same but your staking plan might be helpful if we do not solve the the table limit issue!

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 11, 03:16 PM 2014
Hi buffster,

You wrote:
Yes. This was just a taster/teaser to spark any interest...
But I will wait until steven1212 posts the "invincible" first as I indicated.
Who knows? Might be the SAME! Wouldn't that be fun? ;)

Imagine if using stevens 5-step grand marti. Profits would have been MUCH HIGHER!!!

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 11, 09:14 PM 2014
Hello Hello! Sorry I've been MIA. Believe it or not, the excuse is stupid. Every time I tried to connect to the thread for the past days I got an error "502 Bad Gateway". Not very good with computers and it took me until now to fix the issue. If anyone ever has the same problem all you need to do is "reset" safari!

Anyway, don't worry, my invincible system is still invincible as of today. However, I have been thinking a lot, and although some of you tried to help here, no one was able to bring the me the solution to my problem. So why should I offer everyone an invincible system? I guess I am not ready to do so yet and let me explain why. So far, I am the one with the system, and I am also the one with the paddy power suggestion. I am basically giving you the whole package. And during those few days when I could not connect to the thread, I took the time too re-read all of JL's system for inspiration. Guess what bothered me a lot? All the ungrateful no-sayers. And there are much more than the grateful people. I felt bad for JL and I do not want this thread to be infested with those people. Some of you already have said that my system does not work, even though you don't know it yet. I don't want your negativity. Another thing that bothered me is that I have seen a lot of people observing the thread and never writing a message to try to help, or to encourage. Instead, many of you send me messages such as "what is your system" or "when can you tell me about the invisible system". Never a "hello", never a "please", never a "thanks".

For this reason I have decided not to make the system public for now. I believe that in life we need to share and not just take from others. For this reason, in a first step, I have decided to reveal my system ONLY to the people who have helped, or even tried to help. Of course, if those people judge that the system is good and usable, and the feedback is positive, I may decide to make it public later on, but not to thank those ungrateful people, just for the sake of brainstorming and improvement. I hope nobody gets offended, but this is what I am comfortable with.

I will finish writing the system tomorrow and send it to the following people. If you feel that your name deserved on that list, it is possible that I just forgot it. Don't hesitate to shoot me a message, but don't forget to say Hello!

Atlantis and AMK (for being at the origin of this system and for their continued help)
Vladir
SamNL
roulettefan
Chris555p
Ausguy
ddarko
Twocatscam
Buffster (you might be surprised to be on the list, but I actually liked your honesty)

Talk to you tomorrow.

Cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 11, 09:28 PM 2014
To Steven

Thank you for including me in yout list. I don't feel I deserve it, but I will give honest feedback of any tests and/or real play that I gather.

To ALL other members.

I will not be sharing this system with anyone ... it is NOT mine to share. So don't ask.

Steven1212 is the only person who can share it.

Thank you for your understanding.

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 11, 11:04 PM 2014
I agree.  We will keep this jewel under the old hat!!

Thanks, Steven!

Sam
TwoCatSam@cox.net
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 11, 11:25 PM 2014
Hi Steven

Thanks for including me on the list. I have been doing my homework, been reading
a lot of system written by Amk; JL and in particular code 4. It is a pity that certain
members are negative, ungrateful and do not realize the hard work that goes behind
any great system.

I Look forward to test your systems and provide you with detailed feedback and
tweaks that I may discover during testing.

Thanks again Steven


Cheers

Chris

Chris555f@hotmail.com





Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 11, 11:29 PM 2014
I guess it would help if I also included an eMail address like Sam

buffster5505@gmail.com

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 12, 02:13 AM 2014
Hi Steven
Would be honoured to test your system along with the other selected members
asI have had a lot of success with code 4,,, and other matrix type systems.

Kind regards Nick

salakin_7@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 12, 03:59 AM 2014
Thank you Steven for including me on your list
I feel honored that you have included me.

I look forward to testing your invincible system and I'll let you know every result that I get with it.

And I will not be sharing this system with anyone either. Like Buffster said, Steven is the only one who can share it.

Kind regards,

Samuel
samnl100@gmail.com
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 07:24 AM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 11, 09:14 PM 2014
However, I have been thinking a lot, and although some of you tried to help here, no one was able to bring the me the solution to my problem.
The problem is that there are not a lot online casinos out there with table limits you want. A second problem is your idea to win huge loads of money per day or month. You want to have thousands of dollars (or other currency) with your system. I posted earlier that you can have the bank of england on your casino account but maybe you will not be able to get it because of payout rules (things like the limited amount of money).

You need to understand that a online casino has the stronger position everytime. They can refuse payouts, they can ban people and they can do everything to keep the money in their pocket.
In B&M Casino you will not have this problems but in a Online Casino you need to stay under the radar. Dont win to much and dont win to often. If you take to much money out of them they will read your name very carefully.

I dont want to attack you. I only want that you are not to greedy with online casinos.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 12, 09:17 AM 2014
Thanks for including me in your list. I'm skeptical myself , but I think people should give the benefit of doubt before saying if something works or not. I have played and withdrawed from some other casinos, so I may recommend some alternatives to PP if I find them fit to this system... 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:14 AM 2014
Hello,


Unfortunately, I am kind of forced to share the thread with everyone, for altruistic purposes. I explain why later. Here is Code Invincible. Enjoy and Respect please.

First of, let me give a shout out and big thanks to JL, Atlantis, and Amk for letting me think of this system. JL, for inventing the matrixes codes with Pattern 4. Amk for turning it into the genius Code 4. And more importantly, Atlantis when you innocently wrote a message that sparked the idea in my head from which Code Invincible was born out. Please, understand that I have been working on this system for a few months and that it has not always looked like it does today. For some of you, the hardest working, it might be interesting to understand where it started and the thought process involved, in case you’d like to see if maybe I missed a good idea along the way. Until it became what is is today, it all started from a genius, genius, genius post by Atlantis in his own thread Code 4-H. Look for yourself, torwards the end, and if you’re very curious, shoot me a PM and I will give you a clue.

Now, the disclaimer. This system will probably not work in the long run on RNG. Another possibility is that the ones who will use bots to test it over 1 million spins will most likely see it fail a few times. Anything else doesn’t exist. But honestly, I don’t think it’s a problem. We all know that random can, and will, create the impossible eventually. I do not think it’s a problem for us and I do not think my system will fail me betting real money. As long as I do not use RNG, or set it up in a bot to run 24/7.

A quick message for the no-sayers. I was really relucatant to post the system here. The only reason I do is that I realized that if I sent it to my selected few sample only, it would have defeated the purpose. I chose those people because I knew they would be willing to help improve it and brainstorm it. But in PM, it’s really hard to have common conversation all together. For this sake, I have finally decided to post it here. Unfortunately, I know that most of you people will take the system to test it. If it works, you will go and make money, and never come back here to say thank you of even tell others it works. If for some reason it does not work for you, YOU WILL come back here to insult me. So I beg of you, do not bother us. We are here to create something that works, and to brainstorm with positivty only. DO NOT POLUTE THIS THREAD WITH YOUR STUPID USELESS INSULTS.

Now to the system!
I take it for granted that you all have a perfect understanding of Code 4. If you do not, I urge you to read the Code 4 thread twice before coming back here.
When I thought of this system, I had to purpose in mind:
-Play continuously, without having to suffer long waits for triggers
-Not fail!
I think that’s what my tweak brings to Code 4. No hit and run necessary because if you’re meant to lose you will lose. No long wait as triggers show up almost at every single spin.

Code Invincible is the same than Code 4 in regards to the fact that you bet against a Doz/Col/Doz/etc.. pattern forming. As you know from Code 4, the odds are on your side. And the longer the pattern, the less chance to loose - Code Invincible works well with a 3-pattern (i.e. 1a3), and therefore is playable in most casino tables with a 3 step martingale. This is what I do for now, sometimes 3 steps, sometimes 4 steps (i.e. 1a3b) and I have yet to see it fail. But to make it invincible, I would rather use 5 steps. This is why I am looking for a table that will allow a 5 step grand marti on 2:1 chances. In this case, I challenge you to make this sytem lose!

Code Invincible is different than Code 4, in regards to the way to select the pattern you will bet against. In Code 4, you arbitrarily bet against the third past line. I think that with this pattern selection method, you give to much chance for Random to catch up with you on the long haul. Pay close attention, because this is where lays my improvement. I have tweaked the bet selection method to try to comfuse Random to the point that it will never understand what we’re up to and will never be able to catch up with you.
Now I will explain to you how to select the patterns. As stated earlier, if you are interested in thought process (and I encourgage to be) I can explain how I came to think of that, as the preliminary steps are very interesting. But here, for the sake of brievity, I will simply expose the system to you.

I have collected a set of 879 real spins Codes 4 from previous real games (I am actually lying here, since I am not the one who collected them, but I really just stole them from Atlantis in another Martix thread. Thanks for that too Atlantis). Why 879? It’s not random, it’s specific, you will understand why…
Instead of keeping this codes line after line, I have reformatted it into a pdf documents, where the codes follow each other in order to form one long line of 3516 characters.
You need to have this pdf document with you at all time. And it cannot be a printed version, it needs to on a digital device in order to have the Search tool to find specific codes, that would take you too long to find with your own eye, since most of the times they each exist only once through the whole 3515 characters.

So how to play it? Let’s say you log in to a table, or sit at roulette machine in a casino. Take out your Iphone or your Ipad, and convert the LAST 6 spins on the marquee history into a matrix code.

Ex: You show up at the table and the last 6 spuns numbers are 12 - 10 - 23 - 2 - 7 - 34
You then translate this series into 1a2b1a


Now if you take your PDF documents and use the search tool to find this code within the document, you will see at each step the number of matches, and here is what you will see and where the magic happen. You will type in the “find” box:

1…………….. (580 matches)
1a…………….(173 matches)
1a2……………(64 matches)
1a2b…………..(19 matches) Now let’s imagine here you were playing simple code 4 and betting against a 4- pattern, this pattern will show up 19 times within the document and that’s too many chances to lose! So you continue looking for your 6-pattern.
1a2b1…………(8 matches)
1a2b1a………..(1 MATCH) Yes sir! 1 Match only. When giving you six numbers, random is able to get only one match in the whole document!!!!!!

So at this point, I think you’ve figured out what to do next! See where that 6-pattern is showing in the document and write down the 3-5 charaters that come after. Is this specific example, the 5 next characters a 1b2b2.

Now using your martingale or grand step martingale, bet against 1b2b2. Most likely you will win on the first step. Sometimes on the 2nd. Very rarely on the 3rd, and so far, I have never seen it reach the 4th or 5th step. So all of you will think that it’s the same than Code 4 because you are betting against a 3, 4 or 5-pattern with a chance to lose or (respectively) 1/27, 1/81 or 1/243. And in theory you are right, but in practice you are completely wrong !!! Here is why: the example I just gave you is not just one lucky one! Everytime you enter a 6-pattern in the search tool, you wil NEVER EVER find more than 4 or 5 matches in the whole document! Everytime single time you will enter 6 characters, you will have that little matches because this represent there are 729 different combinations for 6 characters and within 3516 characters in this this document it is really really difficult for random to find matching patterns!
So if you ask me where is the logic, it is really simple and here you will understand why it is invincible and magic!
You are using the past 6 spins, and to this you add the 5 more spins of you 5 step progression. That’s 11 spins that translate into an 11 characters. An 11-pattern has 177,147 different combinations and you are asking the roulette table to give you one that in in the pdf document?
It is simply almost IMPOSSIBLE. Do you understand!

In conclusion, you are playing with the same theoritical odds than than Code 4, but you are adding on your sides a very very big “virtual” odd in your favor.

Like I said, I have been playing it for a few hours everyday at the roulette machine in a real casino and have never been taken to the 4th step yet. I believe that with a table that allows 5 steps progression, the system is Invincible! And if you lose, the only explanation is that you are one of those ungrateful ones I mentioned earlier and you are not meant to be a winner. So be grateful (that’s the most I have to bring to you - better than the system)

Now, read this part carefully because this specific scenario happens 50% of the time so you will need it and it makes the system 5 times stronger than it already is.

Let’s say that you enter a 6-pattern code in your find box, and instead of having one single match like my example above, you actually have 3 or 4 matches - it will rarely be more and even if it is more then it is good news for you as it will be a very strong trigger. What I recommend doing is to continue translating the spin outcomes in Dozens and Colums and continue adding them to your search box (i.e enter 7 characters instead of 6).

Example (I invent random codes because I do not feel like seacrhing for an existing one):

Let’s say your past 6 spins translate to 2c3a1b and for that specific code you have 4 matches. Then is is likely that if you look at the spins on each of this matches you will find something like:
2c3a1b-2
2c3a1b-1
2c3a1b-1
2c3a1b-3

It is obvious that here you have an opportunity to make your trigger even stronger. Wait for the next spin. It will most likely be in dozen 1, 2 or 3! If for example the spin outcome is 32, then choose your code 2c3a1b-3! Read the next 5 characters and bet against them. You now have a 7-pattern code + your 5 spins. Thats 12 characters for 531,441 different combination! Invincbible!

There is much more I could say about this system, about my research, my testing, my own experience, but first I will let you study it and test it and we can talk later if necessary.
FYI, I play this continuously. Let me show you how with the first example I used.

Imagine the first code I get is 1a2b1a (Spins outcome: 12 - 10 - 23 - 2 - 7 - 34). Next character in the PDF is 1 and the next spin 18 so I win on the first step. What I do is that I now use the spins 10 -23 -2 -7 -34 - 18 to generate the next code. And eventhough you have already used 5 of those numbers, it will give you a very different code thanks to the alternance of dozens and colums (i.e. your new trigger code will be 1b1a3c).

For the rich ones of you who have the available bankroll, you can play Code Invincible on Columns and Dozens at the same time for twice faster earnings.

i.e. The spins are 12 - 10 - 23 - 2 - 7 - 34
Your first code is 1a2b1a and you bet on Dozens/Columns/etc…
Your second code with the same spins is c1b1a3 and you bet on Columns/Dozens/etc…

That’s it for now. Hope you enjoy.

Happy winnings.

Cheers,

Steven1212
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:15 AM 2014
If anything does not make sense I will try to clarify. If you say please... !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:18 AM 2014
OOPS, I forgot to give you the magical PDF document! Here it is attached!
Cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:32 AM 2014
One last thing. This is addressed only to the ungrateful ones that will have a blast trying to prove me wrong rather than trying to earn money.
You cannot come here and just tell me "I've tested your system and it failed on the first try". Nobody will believe you.
If you really want to prove me wrong, then here are the rules fools:

I will only accept as proof that the system failed and capture of picture of a marquee history board with 12 (failing) numbers, so that we can all verify your claims.

RNG is not accepted, and backtests on archives of millions of spins is not accepted either because it can easily be altered to prove a point and because of course it is played 24/7 it can loose eventually. Although it not meant for hit and run only, it should be played hands on.

Cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 12, 10:40 AM 2014
First of all, thanks for sharing it. And I think you did well in making it public.

As for the betselection, it's an interesting concept... Can I ask you to share the file with us too? I don't think its 100% invencible, but it still seems a very good idea. With some luck one can make lots of bets and win more then what we loose when busting the 5 step progression (it will happen eventually, even if in another lifetime!) . What I would like to know now is how often this happens... that's where a bot can help...

Also, do you think we can use a file generated by some other random source (based on random.org for example)?

And I  think zero is actually a nuisance here... How do you deal with it when it appears while you are betting?


Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:58 AM 2014
Vladir,

The PDF file I use I attached 1 or 2 messages above look well.
You can also create your own with 3516 random spins but it will take you forever to translate into dozens and columns and it won't make any difference than if you use the one I provided (courtesy of atlantis).

Regarding the bots, I disagree with you because you know you will have losing runs it's impossible otherwise. But the real question is how much time would you have needed to sit a a table to lose. A bit can simulate but to 50 spins a second. At a live table it's a spin every 2 minutes. You would need to sit there days and night to lose. Do like me, stay 3-4 hours a day at a table playing continuously for a total of 80-100 units per day and you won't lose a 5 step progression.

Download my file, try it, and when you see the strike rate you get on the first 2 steps (live tables only)
You will doubt that it could lose a 5 step prog. I'm not saying to use it hit and run but use it with moderation.

About the zero, it is a nuisance indeed, but I survived it on many many occasion with a 3 steps prog. What i do I that I ignore it completely. If it comes when I'm writing down the spins it's good because chances are it won't come out again straight away. So I just skip it when I write down the 6 spins trigger and I'm happy it's there.

If it turns out when I bet against a pattern I try to stay calm because I know I've never past step 3 so I have confidence that I will survive it in 5 steps and most likely on 3 steps as well (happened to me many times). So I ignore it as well. Let's say the PDF told me to bet against 1a2 and the 0 comes out first, my second step bet will not be a but 1. I start betting on the second step like if the 0 never came and you will win because you have 4 steps left and 90% win in 2 steps.

Last thing about the 0. Only play one 0 tables and if you see that it didn't come out in 20 spins don't play the table or stand up and come back later.

Try it before you say it's not invincible. Don't make quick judgement based on intuitions only.

Cheers

Quote from: vladir on Feb 12, 10:40 AM 2014
First of all, thanks for sharing it. And I think you did well in making it public.

As for the betselection, it's an interesting concept... Can I ask you to share the file with us too? I don't think its 100% invencible, but it still seems a very good idea. With some luck one can make lots of bets and win more then what we loose when busting the 5 step progression (it will happen eventually, even if in another lifetime!) . What I would like to know now is how often this happens... that's where a bot can help...

Also, do you think we can use a file generated by some other random source (based on random.org for example)?

And I  think zero is actually a nuisance here... How do you deal with it when it appears while you are betting?



Quote from: vladir on Feb 12, 10:40 AM 2014
First of all, thanks for sharing it. And I think you did well in making it public.

As for the betselection, it's an interesting concept... Can I ask you to share the file with us too? I don't think its 100% invencible, but it still seems a very good idea. With some luck one can make lots of bets and win more then what we loose when busting the 5 step progression (it will happen eventually, even if in another lifetime!) . What I would like to know now is how often this happens... that's where a bot can help...

Also, do you think we can use a file generated by some other random source (based on random.org for example)?

And I  think zero is actually a nuisance here... How do you deal with it when it appears while you are betting?



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 11:19 AM 2014
Hello steven,

I'm very grateful to to you for sharing your "genius" idea!  :)
It's totally wild and unlike anything I was expecting...!!  (and of course nothing like my tweak at all)
I will take your advice and in all probability will need some time to study it carefully...

I think I found the post you mentioned in the code4-h thread that caused that eureka moment to happen too :)

I agree with your comments and I hope ppl respect your wishes.

Thanks again,
Atlantis.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: superman on Feb 12, 11:21 AM 2014
QuoteAt a live table it's a spin every 2 minutes. You would need to sit there days and night to lose. Do like me, stay 3-4 hours a day at a table playing continuously for a total of 80-100 units per day and you won't lose a 5 step progression

Have to correct your thinking there, YOU never know when that bad run will appear, it could start from your very first bet. Your bet selection, although different than the normal crap we see here, is nothing new to us who have run the million tests etc, you are relying on past history and a fixed one, your file, to boot.

I was going to thank you for not including me in your buddy list, who like sheep licked and licked, I get enough junk mail, gladly I don't have to now, thanks for that.

Good luck at the wheel.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: marivo on Feb 12, 11:22 AM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:32 AM 2014
RNG is not accepted,

Thank you for the system!
Does it mean you don't recommend to play it on rng roulette?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 11:29 AM 2014
Hello Marivo,

It works on fun mode RNG. I guess it would be interesting to try in real mode too but only if you're willing to lose your BR. They don't need to know about your bet selection. As soon as they notice that you use a martingale, they won't hesitate to make you lose 10 steps in a row. rRNG s are so rigged that they'd be willing to give you the same numbers 5 times in a row to make you lose.

Be very careful mate. I can only recommend you live tables if you want guaranteed positive results.


Quote from: marivo on Feb 12, 11:22 AM 2014
Thank you for the system!
Does it mean you don't recommend to play it on rng roulette?
:sad2:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 11:30 AM 2014
Great, let me know your results. I recommend testing it as you would play it. On live tables, all day long if you want , but manually rather than with bots or previous spins.

If you did find the post (which I'm sure you did since it was yours) you ca probably imagine all my train of thoughts, and how I ended up with this!

Good luck mate.

Cheers

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 12, 11:19 AM 2014
Hello steven,

I'm very grateful to to you for sharing your "genius" idea!  :)
It's totally wild and unlike anything I was expecting...!!  (and of course nothing like my tweak at all)
I will take your advice and in all probability will need some time to study it carefully...

I think I found the post you mentioned in the code4-h thread that caused that eureka moment to happen too :)

I agree with your comments and I hope ppl respect your wishes.

Thanks again,
Atlantis.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 12, 11:38 AM 2014
Got to give you credit for the 'out of the box thinking' on this one!  :thumbsup:

A nice gesture of you to share it with everyone as well.

cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 12, 11:42 AM 2014
I think I can "theoretically" make this idea a little better in fighting random. It will give a bit more work to implement... You probably will only be able to do this online because of the litle extra work... See what you think:

We create a table (it can be excel), and in the first column we input all possible first 6 combinations:
"1a1a1a"
"1a1a1b"
"1a1a1c"
....
"3c3c3c"

After it, we populate the next column (let's call it betting string) with the last occurence we find in your file with the next 5 results (in case we have more then one). We do this for all possible combinations. Not every combination is currently matched in the file by the way, so we would end up with some blank columns. No problem.

Now, the twist. We play by your rules, but we consult this excel file instead. So we look at past 6 spins and get the corresponding pattern in the first column. If the betting string is empty, we don't play and just register the next 5 numbers as the betting string in the excel for this combination we just found.

If we find it, in the excel, we play against it as you sugested, AND we also update the betting string with the new 5 string numbers we just got from our play.

Basically what I'm sugesting is to have a "dynamic file" - instead of a static file - that we constantly update with the last results we personally got...  Just trying to confuse random a litle more :) I think the chance of getting a string of 6+5 columns/dozens followed by another occurence of the same first 6 +5 , withouth having any of the other combinations of the "5" is probably a once in a lifetime occurence... Hope this wasn't too confusing :)



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 12, 12:27 PM 2014
Hi Steven

Thanks for sharing the invible system; I will study it
thoroughly, share the results, and give my feedback.

Cheers


Chris
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 12:35 PM 2014
Thanks Bob, I strongly recommend you test it too, You'll be impressed by the good results!
Good luck

Quote from: ugly bob on Feb 12, 11:38 AM 2014
Got to give you credit for the 'out of the box thinking' on this one!  :thumbsup:

A nice gesture of you to share it with everyone as well.

cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 12:46 PM 2014
Vladir, it's a nice idea. I think the strikerate will be the same but the turnover a bit less because you will bet less frequently.
Remember when i said that my train of thought stopped on many different idea from the moment I read Atlantis's post that sparked it and the version I shared today? Well I actually had a very similar step to yours. I think it works as well but I dropped it because the complication just added more stress to my play. It's already annoying that you have to use a martingale so I prefer to keep all the rest simple!
However, if you are interested, I still have my excel sheet of when I used a similar process. The idea was given to me by a post from Hermes in the Code 4-H thread, where he shows that the pattern
1a1a
2b2b
3c3c
is quite rare! I thought it could be exploited and ended up with something like you described. I can share the file if you want...


In my opinion, if there is one way that we can improve this system, it's not in the bet selection which is strong enough (of course we can always find variants to the concept - whatever suits you best and out of all the different options I tested that's what suits me best). I believe that what we should focus on if we want to turn this into the real Holy Grail is the staking plan. I've tried different things but only martingale worked. You know you will always win within 5 steps, but it's possible that you get more losses than wins during these 5 bets. That's why only the martingale worked for me so far and I'm so confident about the system that I even use grand mart.
Therefore, I need to play 6-7 triggers to make 10 units. And I play around 70 triggers per day to make 80-100 units.

In any case, Vladir, thanks for sharing you ideas and brainstorming with us to try to improve our chances! This is exactly the reason why you were included in my original "list"

Cheers


Quote from: vladir on Feb 12, 11:42 AM 2014
I think I can "theoretically" make this idea a little better in fighting random. It will give a bit more work to implement... You probably will only be able to do this online because of the litle extra work... See what you think:

We create a table (it can be excel), and in the first column we input all possible first 6 combinations:
"1a1a1a"
"1a1a1b"
"1a1a1c"
....
"3c3c3c"

After it, we populate the next column (let's call it betting string) with the last occurence we find in your file with the next 5 results (in case we have more then one). We do this for all possible combinations. Not every combination is currently matched in the file by the way, so we would end up with some blank columns. No problem.

Now, the twist. We play by your rules, but we consult this excel file instead. So we look at past 6 spins and get the corresponding pattern in the first column. If the betting string is empty, we don't play and just register the next 5 numbers as the betting string in the excel for this combination we just found.

If we find it, in the excel, we play against it as you sugested, AND we also update the betting string with the new 5 string numbers we just got from our play.

Basically what I'm sugesting is to have a "dynamic file" - instead of a static file - that we constantly update with the last results we personally got...  Just trying to confuse random a litle more :) I think the chance of getting a string of 6+5 columns/dozens followed by another occurence of the same first 6 +5 , withouth having any of the other combinations of the "5" is probably a once in a lifetime occurence... Hope this wasn't too confusing :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 12, 01:02 PM 2014
Steve

merci d 'avoir partager le système

merci de m' avoir mis precedement sur la  Vip list

ça a l 'air vraiment sérieux comme approche


si tu viens sur la cote d azur on ira ensemble a monte Carlo
pour casser la banque

tu as mon tel si tu souhaite me joindre

j' étudie tout ça en détail et je reviens vers toi

encore bravo pour cette stupéfiante approche
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:11 PM 2014
Merci mon ami, c'est evident que tu étais sur la liste car tu as était le premier a vouloir m'aider et je t'en remercie encore.
J'espere que le système te plait et surtout qu'il te donnera de bons résultats. Tiens nous au courant...

Quand je viens sur la cote d'azur, on se fait Monte Carlo! Peut être cet été. Meme si les limites ne nous laisseront pas utiliser la martingale en 5 étapes, je suis sur qu'on peut jouer en 3 étapes sur des tables a minimum 50 ou 100 et se faire 2 ou 3 mille balles par jour, jusqu'a ce quils nous sortent a base de coups de pied au cul!

Bon courage et a bientôt

Quote from: roulettefan on Feb 12, 01:02 PM 2014
Steve

merci d 'avoir partager le système

merci de m' avoir mis precedement sur la  Vip list

ça a l 'air vraiment sérieux comme approche


si tu viens sur la cote d azur on ira ensemble a monte Carlo
pour casser la banque

tu as mon tel si tu souhaite me joindre

j' étudie tout ça en détail et je reviens vers toi

encore bravo pour cette stupéfiante approche
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 12, 01:19 PM 2014
steve

a Monaco tu peux jouer no limit
il suffit de demander au directeur de table

ils mettent le no limit car il y a de très gros joueurs
qui mette jusqu a 1 million en cash sur la table

c est vrai que de temps en temps ses joueurs
peuvent gagner gros
mais a la fin c est la société des bains de mer qui gagne (Monaco)

et ses gros joueurs se font bien plumé
le seul risque c est que un gros joueur gagne et ne revienne pas ou va dans un autre casino

monte carlo compte vraiment sur les joueurs no limit pour gagner au maximum
de plus ses joueurs la n utilise aucune montante qui pourrais mettre en difficulté le casino
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:22 PM 2014
C'est incroyable, je ne savais pas ca...
Mais alors ca veut dire qu'on pourrait y aller et utiliser mon system avec une base 100 euros et jouer en martigale en 5 step ou meme 6 steps? y'a de quoi gagner un paquet

On serait garanti de gagner, mais je suis sur qu'au bout de deux minutes ils nous vireraient du casino!

Très intéressant en tout cas...

Steven


Quote from: roulettefan on Feb 12, 01:19 PM 2014
steve

a Monaco tu peux jouer no limit
il suffit de demander au directeur de table

ils mettent le no limit car il y a de très gros joueurs
qui mette jusqu a 1 million en cash sur la table

c est vrai que de temps en temps ses joueurs
peuvent gagner gros
mais a la fin c est la société des bains de mer qui gagne (Monaco)

et ses gros joueurs se font bien plumé
le seul risque c est que un gros joueur gagne et ne revienne pas ou va dans un autre casino

monte carlo compte vraiment sur les joueurs no limit pour gagner au maximum
de plus ses joueurs la n utilise aucune montante qui pourrais mettre en difficulté le casino
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 01:45 PM 2014
if the rate for step 1 and 2 is that good like you say i would play a labouchere. i think it is more save for the bankroll and we lose much less if the gamble-god slaps our face.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:47 PM 2014
Thanks for the advice. I will look into it.

Quote from: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 01:45 PM 2014
if the rate for step 1 and 2 is that good like you say i would play a labouchere. i think it is more save for the bankroll and we lose much less if the gamble-God slaps our face.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 12, 01:53 PM 2014
Hi Steven
Thanks for sharing your system, as I thought I was not in the select few
I see already within hours people are trying to change it.
I will go and test now.

Once again thanks.

Nick x
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:54 PM 2014
Nick, your message, along with those of other people made me change my mind and I preferred to give it to everyone in the hope that you will help test and make it better if possible.
Let me know your results.

Cheers

Quote from: KCIN012 on Feb 12, 01:53 PM 2014
Hi Steven
Thanks for sharing your system, as I thought I was not in the select few
I see already within hours people are trying to change it.
I will go and test now.

Once again thanks.

Nick x
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: marivo on Feb 12, 01:57 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:18 AM 2014
OOPS, I forgot to give you the magical PDF document! Here it is attached!
Cheers

Do you also take in account patterns on the line brake of your continuous spins?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:58 PM 2014
I am not sure how you would play labouchere on dozens.
Let's say you want to make a 10 unit profit session, how would you divide your staking plan ?

Quote from: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 01:45 PM 2014
if the rate for step 1 and 2 is that good like you say i would play a labouchere. i think it is more save for the bankroll and we lose much less if the gamble-God slaps our face.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:59 PM 2014
Of course. Does not make any difference... It's all one big line....

How are your results looking so far ?

Quote from: marivo on Feb 12, 01:57 PM 2014
Do you also take in account patterns on the line brake of your continuous spins?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 12, 02:04 PM 2014
Steven - Well done with your INVINCIBLE methods.  I have an update for Party Casino live dealer wheels. As previously mentioned they have the standard table with 2 min to 2,000 max. bets on any outside position & 2,500 max. table bet outlay. Then they have the V.I.P. wheel @ 25 min. & 2,000 max. & 4,000 max. table outlay.

How long does it take to process a bet as the bet window is only open for on line players for around 12 seconds ? Heard but not seen live players get about 20 seconds ?

L5 bets do fit so perhaps you could do something with that ? If L5 is unlikely to occur then a L4 progression allows a 70 + max. bet. Played for 4 hours @ 45 - 50% strike rate could see a win of around 7,000 - 8,000. Naturally this would be further down the track as you build your BR & play it with the casinos money.

As to the data processing, I only have a flip phone at the moment so is an i phone a prerequisite or will other smart phones like Galaxy Or Nokia do the job ?
If only playing at home I suppose a basic offline PC or laptop would/could do the job ? Using a computer phone at the casino playing the Rapid Roulette live dealer spun touch screen game may eventually get the attention of casino security ? When you say you play at the "roulette machine in a real casino" what game is it ? Dealer Rapid Roulette or RNG airball/auto wheel ?

I am familar with PDF but how did you get the data code of 879 spins into the PDF format into the phone & how is it set up for speedy easy use? 

I also note the relationship of 879 x 4 = 3,516.

Also my thinking was similar to vladir regarding a "dynamic file" instead of your "static file" in that the 879 spins are gradually replaced about every 5 days of play @ 3 - 4 hours per day. However if you are having success (which you say you are) then why mess with something that ain't broke ? There's always the option, if ever needed, as you say to up the code to pattern 7 & 551,441 combo's.

As you wear zero as a loss then any that drop would be ignored. If for example 10 zeros came up in 879 spins then 10 extra valid spins would be needed ? The spin rate is based on Party's 1 spin/min. (Rapid Roulette at the casino is the same but the 2 : 1 bet limits of 5 - 500 would severly restrict the progressions, ).

As this system needs computer assistance to play it I will study what has been given & I'm sure further refinements will be revealed as the days roll by.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: marivo on Feb 12, 02:07 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:59 PM 2014
Of course. Does not make any difference... It's all one big line....

How are your results looking so far ?


I am preparing to test, but have problems with searching patterns on the line break. Search function find only "unbroken" patterns. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 02:12 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 12, 01:58 PM 2014
I am not sure how you would play labouchere on dozens.
Let's say you want to make a 10 unit profit session, how would you divide your staking plan ?
I´m honest i had a wrong thing in my mind. At the end it is more risky because we dont know when the bad streak comes in.

sorry for my huge mistake
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 02:13 PM 2014
I am not sure If I understand correctly what you are trying to say. Sorry my english is not my first language and it's not perfect.
But if I understand properly the only thing I can tell you is that I use an iPhone or an Ipad with Ibooks to read the document. You can also use Adobe reader which has a good search tool, but what I like most about Ibooks is that it clearly gives you the number of matches for each pattern you search.

Good luck,

Quote from: marivo on Feb 12, 02:07 PM 2014
I am preparing to test, but have problems with searching patterns on the line break. Search function find only "unbroken" patterns. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 02:14 PM 2014
No problem at all mate. The only thing that matter is that you tried to help!

Cheers

Quote from: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 02:12 PM 2014
I´m honest i had a wrong thing in my mind. At the end it is more risky because we don't know when the bad streak comes in.

sorry for my huge mistake
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 02:34 PM 2014
Quote from: marivo on Feb 12, 02:07 PM 2014
I am preparing to test, but have problems with searching patterns on the line break. Search function find only "unbroken" patterns. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Yes. Same here whether from the original .pdf or whether copied into notepad or wordpad.
The software puts in a linebreak to display the text and so the search function misses occurrences of the search "string" that overlap from one line to the next...

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 02:43 PM 2014
If you have an iPhone use iBooks. If you have a Mac use preview to read the PDF. Then it won't happen to you and it will work flawlessly.
I also recommend using a program that tells you the number of matches/occurrences since it will be very helpful to tell you exactly when you should start betting (I.e. When there is only 1 or 2 matches left at the most. Usually within 6 or 7 characters code)
Btw, the fact that you can never find a match of 8 characters with the search tool shows you how strong is the system. Imagine 11 matches. Impossible!

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 12, 02:34 PM 2014
Yes. Same here whether from the original .pdf or whether copied into notepad or wordpad.
The software puts in a linebreak to display the text and so the search function misses occurrences of the search "string" that overlap from one line to the next...

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 02:47 PM 2014
Damn it Ausguy, your messages are always so long!!! It's taking me forever to reply. But I must say that they are also very helpful all the time, and you are raising some very interesting points here that could be helpful for everyone, so I will take the time to reply carefully.
Please, see my answers in blue in your message below, point by point for the sake of clarity.

Quote from: ausguy on Feb 12, 02:04 PM 2014
Steven - Well done with your INVINCIBLE methods.  I have an update for Party Casino live dealer wheels. As previously mentioned they have the standard table with 2 min to 2,000 max. bets on any outside position & 2,500 max. table bet outlay. Then they have the V.I.P. wheel @ 25 min. & 2,000 max. & 4,000 max. table outlay.

OK, the 25-2000 is useless. You might as well use the 2-2000. Are you sure 2000 is also for dozen bets, or only ECs? Thanks for your research, this is exactly what we need to make my system useful, unless someone can come up with a staking plan that has a decent turnover and does not challenge table limits, but I do not know if it's possible. That would just be the Holy Grail.

How long does it take to process a bet as the bet window is only open for on line players for around 12 seconds ? Heard but not seen live players get about 20 seconds ?

I know that sometimes online casino will rush you a little to place your bet. The solution I use is very simple. Instead of converting the last 6 numbers, translate only the 5 last into a code and type them in your search box in the pdf file. By the time you do that, the wheel will have probably spin one more time to give you a 6th number. It should solve the timing issue. If it is still too fast, use the last 4 numbers while two more balls spin and add them one by one. Do you understand?
Personally, at this time, I know instantly and exactly which number is where (dozen or columns), so I do not even need a paper to translate the spins into the code. I just open my pdf file, see the spin outcomes and type them into the search box into DC codes straight away! Give it 2 days and you will have memorized everything as well! But in other words, timing to place bets should never be a constraint. Anyone can play this at his own pace. If you're very patient you can even convert the spins as they come, one by one, very slowly, until 6 spins came out and you have your trigger...


L5 bets do fit so perhaps you could do something with that ? If L5 is unlikely to occur then a L4 progression allows a 70 + max. bet. Played for 4 hours @ 45 - 50% strike rate could see a win of around 7,000 - 8,000. Naturally this would be further down the track as you build your BR & play it with the casinos money.

Personally, I like to use the grand marti. It makes profit faster and therefore expose you to a loss for less time than regular mart. Sometimes you're take to the 3rd step, so you'd make more than twice what you would have made with regular marti So with a 2,000 limit we could have a four step prog with a 50$ base bet, or 15$ base bet for a 5 step prog. Not bad at all!!! The question is, how long will the casino take to either ban you or lower your limits? Which casino can we trust to turn into our own ATM, if any?!!!!


As to the data processing, I only have a flip phone at the moment so is an i phone a prerequisite or will other smart phones like Galaxy Or Nokia do the job ?
If only playing at home I suppose a basic offline PC or laptop would/could do the job ?

Very sorry my friend. I use iPhone and Ipad and it's the only thing I would know to recommend to you. I do not know the rest. But If you manage to get an iPhone, I love the search function provided by Ibooks because it gives you the numbers of matches in the document and that's a very powerful feature for this system.

Using a computer phone at the casino playing the Rapid Roulette live dealer spun touch screen game may eventually get the attention of casino security ? When you say you play at the "roulette machine in a real casino" what game is it ? Dealer Rapid Roulette or RNG airball/auto wheel ?

I use air ball roulette because there are no dealers. Usually, the casino staff doesn't pay too much attention because real pros usually avoid those machines and use tables. When they walk around, I pretend to play games on my iPhone, and I also have my headphone plugged so i look like I am bored and upset to loose all my money. Never had any issue, they really don't care about you that much.
And on machines, they don't really know if you're loosing all your BR or if you're winning big so they don't really look at you that often..

I am familar with PDF but how did you get the data code of 879 spins into the PDF format into the phone & how is it set up for speedy easy use? 

Like I said, Iphone or Ipad is the best way I know of! Email the pdf file to yourself and open it with Ibooks. It's a free app!


I also note the relationship of 879 x 4 = 3,516.

Also my thinking was similar to vladir regarding a "dynamic file" instead of your "static file" in that the 879 spins are gradually replaced about every 5 days of play @ 3 - 4 hours per day. However if you are having success (which you say you are) then why mess with something that ain't broke ? There's always the option, if ever needed, as you say to up the code to pattern 7 & 551,441 combo's.

Pattern 7 happens a lot. I would say about 50% of the time. I have never seen a pattern 7 go beyond the 2nd Step. So if you want to be safe you can also wait for pattern 7 triggers and not play all the triggers.

As you wear zero as a loss then any that drop would be ignored. If for example 10 zeros came up in 879 spins then 10 extra valid spins would be needed ? The spin rate is based on Party's 1 spin/min. (Rapid Roulette at the casino is the same but the 2 : 1 bet limits of 5 - 500 would severly restrict the progressions, ).

Sorry, didn't understand that part too well! Excuse my english.

As this system needs computer assistance to play it I will study what has been given & I'm sure further refinements will be revealed as the days roll by.

Great, thanks for your precious help and let us know how it goes for you.

Cheers

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 02:55 PM 2014
Hi Steven,
Don't have Iphone or MAC. Am using Adobe Reader X (latest). Still happens in that.
Possibly I can make a little program to search within the code4 text that will avoid this happening...
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 02:58 PM 2014
Haha, why not! But I am sure there must be a simple way..
All you need to remember thought is that You cannot let this happen. The program must consider all the text as one huge line and cannot break it. Or you may misinterpret the triggers and lose...

Good luck

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 12, 02:55 PM 2014
Hi Steven,
Don't have Iphone or MAC. Am using Adobe Reader X (latest). Still happens in that.
Possibly I can make a little program to search within the code4 text that will avoid this happening...
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 03:35 PM 2014
I tried to find your example 2c3a1b in file with Microsoft Word 2010. it finds 5 search-hits. it looks like i can find the patterns in your codeline with MS Words.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 03:45 PM 2014
As I stated in my post, that example was completely fictive for the sake of explanation.
My example that was real was 1a2b1a and this only finds 1 Match!

However, I just tried to search for 2c3a1b in the pdf and you are correct, there are 5 hits. So like I explained in my post, this will constitute a perfect trigger. Let me tell you why again. Here are the 5 matches:

2c3a1b-3c2
2c3a1b-3b1
2c3a1b-1c3
2c3a1b-1a3
2c3a1b-2b3

So here, logically, you can wait no matter what for the next spin. If the next spin is in dozen 2, there is only one code left (2c3a1b-2b3) so you bet against b3 etc... Most likely you will win on b or at the worst on 3, because a code with 7 character is a very strong trigger.

If the next spin had been dozen 1 or 3, you could even wait for one more spin because you still have two option for each. The best is to wait until there is one matching code left. And if after 8 spins you have a code matching, it's almost guaranteed you will win on the first try!

Cheers

Quote from: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 03:35 PM 2014
I tried to find your example 2c3a1b in file with Microsoft Word 2010. it finds 5 search-hits. it looks like i can find the patterns in your codeline with MS Words.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: amk on Feb 12, 04:37 PM 2014
Speechless.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 04:52 PM 2014
Hi Steven,
I have found the free download Notepad Plus is ideal for searching the file (after stripping out the linebreaks, that is)
link:://notepad-plus-plus.org/ (link:://notepad-plus-plus.org/)
I think this will be easier to use than Adobe Reader and use far less memory. 
:)
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 05:03 PM 2014
Nice! This will definitely be useful to the non apple users.
Good luck and let me know how your tests go.

Cheers

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 12, 04:52 PM 2014
Hi Steven,
I have found the free download Notepad Plus is ideal for searching the file (after stripping out the linebreaks, that is)
link:://notepad-plus-plus.org/ (link:://notepad-plus-plus.org/)
I think this will be easier to use than Adobe Reader and use far less memory. 
:)
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 12, 05:49 PM 2014
Atlantis

Could you link us to the Code 4 thread Steven wants us to read twice.  I must find that "Eureka" sentence!!

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 12, 05:51 PM 2014
Superman

If you consider borrowing a line from Neil Diamond "licking" then so be it. 

You know, it's really time for you to go away.  Be like Bing Bell--be a gentleman and leave us to our misery/fun/searches/obsessions--whatever.  You have your "Holy Grail".  You can make all the money you want.  Why hang around and taunt people who are trying?

Does anyone agree with me?

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 06:01 PM 2014
i tried some bets and 2 times i had no trigger.

the pattern was 1b2b3b
i had multiple ways:
-2a3a1
-2a3a2
-2c3
-2a2

i waited for the next number and my pattern was 1b2b3b-3
no bet here

the other was 2c3a3c
possible ways:
-1b1
-1b2
-3c2

the next number gave me a 2 and there was no bet available.

i hope i dont get this to often
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Cristal2000 on Feb 12, 06:09 PM 2014
I am attaching a small program that finds the code

is very simple
Simply enter your search string of 1
and click on SEARCH

(link:://i61.tinypic.com/xnvgqo.png)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: marivo on Feb 12, 06:16 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:14 AM 2014

I have collected a set of 879 real spins Codes 4 from previous real games (I am actually lying here, since I am not the one who collected them, but I really just stole them from Atlantis in another Martix thread. Thanks for that too Atlantis). Why 879? It’s not random, it’s specific, you will understand why…
Instead of keeping this codes line after line, I have reformatted it into a pdf documents, where the codes follow each other in order to form one long line of 3516 characters.
You need to have this pdf document with you at all time. And it cannot be a printed version, it needs to on a digital device in order to have the Search tool to find specific codes, that would take you too long to find with your own eye, since most of the times they each exist only once through the whole 3515 characters.

I think you meant 879x4=3516 characters. But anyway my "counter" in Word program says only 3433 characters! Do you get same sum or is my counter wrong?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 06:21 PM 2014
Sam,

I mentioned the Eureka sentence to Atlantis as a "wink". But in my opinion it is not necessary for all you guys to know about it. The reason is that it will distract you. It will lead you to think of many variants of the bet selection process and all the steps I've already thought of along the way. I tested extensively to the conclusion that the version I delivered to you today, is the simplest and most efficient. This is precisely why I did not include it in my original post. I thought it would pollute the thread by taking the attention away from where the focus should be.

If you are really too curious, shoot me a PM and we can discuss it together in private.

Cheers

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 12, 05:49 PM 2014
Atlantis

Could you link us to the Code 4 thread Steven wants us to read twice.  I must find that "Eureka" sentence!!

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 06:26 PM 2014
I agree with you. Superman is a useless member. He has posted once in this thread besides his message of today, and both were as useless. Especially the first one. You waste your time and ours Superman.
I was talking to you about the ungrateful ones earlier, but I believe that Superman belongs to a worse category. The Bitter ones!
It's ok if some people disagree with me/us and post negative comments, as long as it is still constructive for everyone.
But in your case Superman, to re use one of your bad joke, you should live the invincibles, and become invisible...

Regarding the ungratefuls, I've noticed that 60 people downloaded the pdf files, yet maybe 5 or 6 and tried to get involved to help, or even just thank for the efforts...
It's ok to take in life, but you have to know how to give. So all of you takers, try to reflect upon yourself and be more altruistic, or nothing good will come to you (and there's no odds and bets involved in that.. It's a guarantee) ..

Cheers

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 12, 05:51 PM 2014
Superman

If you consider borrowing a line from Neil Diamond "licking" then so be it. 

You know, it's really time for you to go away.  Be like Bing Bell--be a gentleman and leave us to our misery/fun/searches/obsessions--whatever.  You have your "Holy Grail".  You can make all the money you want.  Why hang around and taunt people who are trying?

Does anyone agree with me?

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 06:28 PM 2014
Hi TwoCatSam,

I believe Steven was referring to this code 4 type topic:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11808.msg103812#msg103812 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11808.msg103812#msg103812)
If not, could be the "Another Code 4 Idea" thread...
I am sure Steven will confirm if this is correct.

A.

PS. OOPS! Sorry Steven - I just read your reply now... Please delete this message if you wish!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 06:32 PM 2014
You see this sometimes but not in the majority of the cases.
I would only wait for a 7th character if there was at least two chances out of three to get it on the next spin.
I.e. your first example had only 2s (and then even worse, three a out 4 letters )  coming after so I would have given up on this one. But cheer up, it's not like you'd have to wait to long. Restart a new code and just forget about the oldest -that is 6th- spin. You just have to wait one spin to build a new code!
second example is just bad luck. If you're really impatient and cannot wait for a strong trigger to bet, then use the 3c2 since the 1 comes twice. And you would have won on first, too....

Now, tell me. You just pointed out your negative observations and I think they are interesting.
But can you also report on the results of the bets you were actually able to take ?

Were they any good?

Cheers


Quote from: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 06:01 PM 2014
i tried some bets and 2 times i had no trigger.

the pattern was 1b2b3b
i had multiple ways:
-2a3a1
-2a3a2
-2c3
-2a2

i waited for the next number and my pattern was 1b2b3b-3
no bet here

the other was 2c3a3c
possible ways:
-1b1
-1b2
-3c2

the next number gave me a 2 and there was no bet available.

i hope i don't get this to often
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 06:35 PM 2014
You're awesome cristal! We need more generous people like you here. thanks for sharing.
I cannot believe that I have been in front of my computer all day and night to reply to anyone within minutes and there are still 60 people who took the system already and could not find a way to contribute. Sorry to be so sensitive about this matters but It upsets me....

Anyway, did you get the chance to test the system a bit yourself, Cristal? Any observations?

Quote from: cristal2000 on Feb 12, 06:09 PM 2014
I am attaching a small program that finds the code

is very simple
Simply enter your search string of 1
and click on SEARCH

(link:://i61.tinypic.com/xnvgqo.png)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 06:36 PM 2014
Quote from: marivo on Feb 12, 06:16 PM 2014
I think you meant 879x4=3516 characters. But anyway my "counter" in Word program says only 3433 characters! Do you get same sum or is my counter wrong?

Hi Marivo,
My counter in Notepad+ also gives 3433 chars. (maybe the extra ones were the spaces/linebreaks?)
I should add that I have only ONE horizontal line visible in the editor and that line contains all the text (no spaces, returns or linebreaks)
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 12, 06:40 PM 2014
Hello Steven,

Many thanks for posting Code Invincible to the forum.
I really appreciate that you have shared it with all of us on this forum.

It looks really good.

So again, many thanks for posting it Steven.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 06:43 PM 2014
Or maybe I sent a file shorter than I thought. I know I have two of them in my computer. But honestly, it won't make any difference.. Ill check on that later tonight.
Been using the file I attached in my post all day and it works just fine.... you have the green light...

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 12, 06:36 PM 2014
Hi Marivo,
My counter in Notepad+ also gives 3433 chars. (maybe the extra ones were the spaces/linebreaks?)
I should add that I have only ONE horizontal line visible in the editor and that line contains all the text (no spaces, returns or linebreaks)
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 06:44 PM 2014
No stress. I dont mind.
And yes that's the correct thread.

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 12, 06:28 PM 2014
Hi TwoCatSam,

I believe Steven was referring to this code 4 type topic:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11808.msg103812#msg103812 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11808.msg103812#msg103812)
If not, could be the "Another Code 4 Idea" thread...
I am sure Steven will confirm if this is correct.

A.

PS. OOPS! Sorry Steven - I just read your reply now... Please delete this message if you wish!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 06:48 PM 2014
Well it's been interesting tonight - but I have to sleep now. Enjoyed the reveal of CODE INVINCIBLE. Will do some test tomorrow.
Goodnight,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 06:59 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 12, 06:32 PM 2014
Now, tell me. You just pointed out your negative observations and I think they are interesting.
But can you also report on the results of the bets you were actually able to take ?

Were they any good?

Cheers
I only made a short game to get some feeling. I played a very short one because i was a little bit unsecure after the "no bet-patterns".
I won the patterns i had to bet but i need to do more games. I made 5 units profit but if the game gets more natural to me it will be more.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 07:02 PM 2014
Oh you were betting real money!? I strongly recommend you to test it on paper before you go for real. Get the hang of it...!

Quote from: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 06:59 PM 2014
I only made a short game to get some feeling. I played a very short one because i was a little bit unsecure after the "no bet-patterns".
I won the patterns i had to bet but i need to do more games. I made 5 units profit but if the game gets more natural to me it will be more.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 12, 07:10 PM 2014
Tomorrow I'll start testing it on paper to get the hang of this.
I'll let you know the results.

But like Atlantis I have to sleep now.
Goodnight everybody!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 07:18 PM 2014
Good night guys.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 12, 07:18 PM 2014
Steven

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 07:28 PM 2014
Thanks mate. Let us know your results if you end up trying it.

Quote from: Buffster on Feb 12, 07:18 PM 2014
Steven

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 07:56 PM 2014
I would like to add on thing. You said that you hope you don't get this to often, and in another post you said it threw you off a bit. But this is actually a good sign. Why? Because it shows you that it's very very difficult for Random to generate a 7 character pattern that exists in the PDF file! So just imagine an 11 or 12 characters pattern! Invincible!

The trick is just to wait for a code to be matched only once of twice in your PDF and you will win. Trust me this happens continuously almost every single spins. You just need to learn to do you searches until it becomes intuitive to you. By now I can do my searches without any effort and without thinking about it. I'm so used to it that I can read my book while playing. It actually helps to take the stress of the martingale away.

Most of the time your triggers will be of 6 characters, sometimes 7 and very rarely 8. If you get an 8 trigger character you can go all out and bust the bank! Trust me it's so strong....



Quote from: Interstate89 on Feb 12, 06:01 PM 2014
i tried some bets and 2 times i had no trigger.

the pattern was 1b2b3b
i had multiple ways:
-2a3a1
-2a3a2
-2c3
-2a2

i waited for the next number and my pattern was 1b2b3b-3
no bet here

the other was 2c3a3c
possible ways:
-1b1
-1b2
-3c2

the next number gave me a 2 and there was no bet available.

i hope i don't get this to often
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 12, 08:19 PM 2014
Steven - Thanks for your replys. Just with Party's banning thing you talk about the only way to really find out is to hit their monthly limits, perhaps on a regular basis ?

The worst case scenario is that you will have made between $20,000 to $50,000 for a particular month, not so bad even if you were banned as they still have to pay you for your prior winnings but read the detail in their Terms & Conditions for a complete run down of their rules. My guess is that you would need to be winning for multiple months before they MAY take some action ? By then you would probably already have a 6 figure sum in your bank A/C ?

As I've mentioned before about their bet level withdraw limits, it all depends on your game play through spends. It starts at Bronze & $20,000p/m, so that's their minimum. Then it goes Silver $25,000p/m, Gold $50,000p/m & the perhaps not relevant higher roller Platinum levels of $100,000 +p/m.

With that kind of balance earned you would be in a position to travel the Casino World & find some B & M casinos that offer some good bet ratios ?  What would Monte Carlo have for example & Europe, UK, Isle Of Man ? or play a stepped game of lower limit to higher limit tables. At my local casino here in Sydney OZ they have $5 tables with the 2 : 1 limits per position @ $5 - $500. The $10 table is $10 - $1,000 & the $25 table is $25 - $2500. So any double bet would allow a minimum bet of $10 (2 x 5) & maximum outlay of up to $10,000 (2 x 5k) or $20k if doing Dozens & columns. With any higher bets you could afford the time to check the patterns & reset your bets to suit the "new" table. Testing via a B & M visit would confirm that this would be workable ?

As to airball they are an RNG controlled game. Did ever you go to the Cammergh wheel makers site & read up on their RRS (random rotor speed) wheels with air jet holes in the ball track. Smart Live Casino has Cammergh wheels for their airball games. All airball/auto model wheels have ways to control the spins. They are allowed to CHEAT simply because they are RNG. Your airball plays so far have avoided a "targeted" losing streak. Other factors come into play with that, mainly how many other players are at the game when you are playing & whether the "profit quota" has been met for a period of play. Also the profit % may be set to an "easier" level ?

In the wash up of it all you can only play it as you find it as winning is winning & profit in the pocket is the bottom line any day of the week. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 12, 08:46 PM 2014
cristal2000

Your program is pretty neat. Don't know how strong your programming skills are, but you know what would be neater.

If you had a second input box that translates numbers into dozen/column ex: 3 ... 1C etc

That way we don't have to run an excel sheet that translates the numbers and then input the code into your program.

Would be a time saver.

Thanks

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 08:52 PM 2014
Wow, that's a good idea and it would indeed be very convenient. It would be custom made for Code Invincible.
If I may add, as well, it would be good if you had a match count. Meaning that the search tool tells you how many hits after you entered the code. It's very important because it helps you decide when is the strongest moment to start betting.

Cheers

Quote from: Buffster on Feb 12, 08:46 PM 2014
cristal2000

Your program is pretty neat. Don't know how strong your programming skills are, but you know what would be neater.

If you had a second input box that translates numbers into dozen/column ex: 3 ... 1C etc

That way we don't have to run an excel sheet that translates the numbers and then input the code into your program.

Would be a time saver.

Thanks

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 12, 09:15 PM 2014
1a3c1a2b2b1c2c2c3b1a1c2b3c2a1c1c2c3a1c2b3a3c2
b1a2a2b2a2c1a3c1c2c2c3a2c3a2b1a1c1c1c2a2a2a2b
2c2c3a1c1b3c2b2a3a1b2a2a2b1b1b2b3c3b1b2c1c3b3
c2b1c1c1a3a1a3c2a2a3c3a3c1a1b3c2c3c1b2c3a3a2b
3b1a2c2c2a2c2a1a1b2a2a1b3b2b3a2a2a1b3a2c2a1c
1c3c1b2c3c3c2b3a3c2b3c2c2a2b3a1a3a1b1c3a1a3c3
c1b2b3c1c1c1a1b3b3b3a3b1b3b1a3b3c3a2c3c2a2a1c
2b3b2b3a2c1b1a2a1c1c1c1c3c1a1b1b1b1a2b1a2b21c

per haps no a good question
at the end of the last line you have b21c
is it normal?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 09:25 PM 2014
No not normal! But no big deal either. I probably cut a letter when I was formatting the hundreds of codes into one long line. You can fix it by adding any letter you'd like randomly and it will still work flawlessly.

For example, you could open you roulette software and take a free spin. Them insert whatever column came out in that gap and you're all set. Personally, I'm just gonna pick my lucky number (which is 12, obviously!) and therefore add the letter c in the gap where the letter in missing between the two numbers.

Thanks for pointing this out mate, you've got a good eye!

Quote from: roulettefan on Feb 12, 09:15 PM 2014
1a3c1a2b2b1c2c2c3b1a1c2b3c2a1c1c2c3a1c2b3a3c2
b1a2a2b2a2c1a3c1c2c2c3a2c3a2b1a1c1c1c2a2a2a2b
2c2c3a1c1b3c2b2a3a1b2a2a2b1b1b2b3c3b1b2c1c3b3
c2b1c1c1a3a1a3c2a2a3c3a3c1a1b3c2c3c1b2c3a3a2b
3b1a2c2c2a2c2a1a1b2a2a1b3b2b3a2a2a1b3a2c2a1c
1c3c1b2c3c3c2b3a3c2b3c2c2a2b3a1a3a1b1c3a1a3c3
c1b2b3c1c1c1a1b3b3b3a3b1b3b1a3b3c3a2c3c2a2a1c
2b3b2b3a2c1b1a2a1c1c1c1c3c1a1b1b1b1a2b1a2b21c

per haps no a good question
at the end of the last line you have b21c
is it normal?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 12, 09:28 PM 2014
Quote from: roulettefan on Feb 12, 09:15 PM 2014
1a3c1a2b2b1c2c2c3b1a1c2b3c2a1c1c2c3a1c2b3a3c2
b1a2a2b2a2c1a3c1c2c2c3a2c3a2b1a1c1c1c2a2a2a2b
2c2c3a1c1b3c2b2a3a1b2a2a2b1b1b2b3c3b1b2c1c3b3
c2b1c1c1a3a1a3c2a2a3c3a3c1a1b3c2c3c1b2c3a3a2b
3b1a2c2c2a2c2a1a1b2a2a1b3b2b3a2a2a1b3a2c2a1c
1c3c1b2c3c3c2b3a3c2b3c2c2a2b3a1a3a1b1c3a1a3c3
c1b2b3c1c1c1a1b3b3b3a3b1b3b1a3b3c3a2c3c2a2a1c
2b3b2b3a2c1b1a2a1c1c1c1c3c1a1b1b1b1a2b1a2b21c

per haps no a good question
at the end of the last line you have b21c
is it normal?

OK you got my curiosity, so I did a quick check and found

21
-21
13
bb

These seem to be the only errors ... that's what happens when you spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen...


Steven was the only one who took the time to do all this....so YOU'RE FORGIVEN  :wink:


B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 12, 09:42 PM 2014
per haps another question

when i enter the sequence you use as an exemple
in your explaination of code invincible
1a2b1a in the reseach tool  code search v1

i have 2 ocurences and not one

for the first the first next number are ;2b21c

for the second occurence next numbers are  :2c1a2

is it normal?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 09:46 PM 2014
Arrrghhhhh my bad guys! I can't believe those mistakes, but it was such a tedious task to reformat the codes into one single line that I probably lost attention here and there. But trust me, it's not big deal. Here's what I propose.

1. You could leave the file as is. I have been using it like this for a long time and it has shown great results. It works don't worry. Such little typos won't really affect anything.
2. You can fill the gaps where the errors are with your lucky numbers or random spins - that's what I will do. Let's add a bit of luck to this!
3. I have attached the list of 850+ codes that I once stole from Atlantis (thanks again my friend!) in a word file in this post. You can start over the formatting work and recreate the pdf from scratch without errors. And for the brave ones of you who will do that:
a. You will understand why I made mistakes when you see how annoying it actually is to first clean up the text and then rearrange the codes in one line
b. Don't forget the lesson. Share the love! See the attached pdf and don't forget to thank Atlantis as well.

Cheers

Quote from: Buffster on Feb 12, 09:28 PM 2014
OK you got my curiosity, so I did a quick check and found

21
-21
13
bb

These seem to be the only errors ... that's what happens when you spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen...


Steven was the only one who took the time to do all this....so YOU'RE FORGIVEN  :wink:


B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 12, 09:53 PM 2014
Oh yes, another mistake from me. Sorry, I wrote the tutorial of my system over night, and with my bad English and all I was trying to focus on making it clear and did not see there was too matches.
Anyway, it doesn't change the principle. Sometimes you get 1, 2, 3 or up to 5 matches for one code, as I explained earlier, and it's often an opportunity to make the trigger stronger.

For Your Information, this example is a good opportunity for me to tell you a bit more about when I judge that I am ready to bet.
If there is more than one code, I try to see if the next character gives me at least two choices (i.e 1 and 3 - or - 2 and 3 - or 1 and 2), If that's the case, I spin one more time and try to get a 7 pattern to trigger. If it does not work I go to the next.
In such an event  as the example that roulette fan just mentioned, when there is two matches only and the next number is the same (i.e. 2 in both matches), it's good enough for me to trigger. I bet against 2. If there was 3 matches with the same letter, I would avoid this code and move on to the next one.

Roulettefan, how are the tests going for you so far? Besides those little typos which I thank you for pointing out...

Cheers

Quote from: roulettefan on Feb 12, 09:42 PM 2014
per haps another question

when i enter the sequence you use as an exemple
in your explaination of code invincible
1a2b1a in the reseach tool  code search v1

i have 2 ocurences and not one

for the first the first next number are ;2b21c

for the second occurence next numbers are  :2c1a2

is it normal?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 12, 10:02 PM 2014
Thank steven
for your answer

no big deal for the error

i was just broke my head thinkin
i have not understood the procedure
when i was following step by step you exemple
to master this quite easy and ingenious sytem


i think its an easy  system to play and follow at home
play online

GLC have explain different progression on double dozen
but gran marty is very good   with this  trigger

no wait at the table game no hit and run

i think i have an idea to play at live table
without i pad or i phone
because those device are forbiden at roulette table
in any serious casino

i test  this solution to play live without device and using the" PDF"
when i will be sure of the result
i will aware you
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Feb 13, 03:00 AM 2014
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 12, 05:51 PM 2014
Superman

If you consider borrowing a line from Neil Diamond "licking" then so be it. 
Its getting tedious.
You know, it's really time for you to go away.  Be like Bing Bell--be a gentleman and leave us to our misery/fun/searches/obsessions--whatever.  You have your "Holy Grail".  You can make all the money you want.  Why hang around and taunt people who are trying?

Does anyone agree with me?

Sam
Same thing with Dr No ( xander..aka snowman aka herb) over in betselection.
Its getting a little tedious.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 13, 04:37 AM 2014
Big thanks to crystal for the little programme
Helps a lot better than adobe.
Will practice for a couple of days.
And maybe play for real over the weekend.

Thanks steven.
Nick
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 13, 05:56 AM 2014
Hi Cristal,
Thanks for the code search utility! This is just the kind of thing what is required. Simple and easy to use.
BUT.... One thing I noticed is that if the code WRAPS onto the next line in the textbox area then the search routine will NOT find the occurrence.
For instance if you run your prog and type in 3c2b1 - it will NOT find the string that ends line 1 and continues onto line 2...
Do you see? Anyway- thought you ought to know. Probably due to linebreaks or EOL (end of line chars)

Regards,
A.

PS. Here is text without spaces or linebreaks as an ordinary text file (.txt)
Should work OK with this (does in notepad anyhow)

PPS. Yes - clear/erase all the text in your program and paste the attached text in... Works good now! :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 13, 07:14 AM 2014
Guys, it is very important that your search tool does not break the line and reads the whole thing as one long single line. If not you will not see all matches, you will get wrong triggers, and you might start to bet too soon and risk to go to far in your progression.

Watch out!!



Quote from: atlantis on Feb 13, 05:56 AM 2014
Hi Cristal,
Thanks for the code search utility! This is just the kind of thing what is required. Simple and easy to use.
BUT.... One thing I noticed is that if the code WRAPS onto the next line in the textbox area then the search routine will NOT find the occurrence.
For instance if you run your prog and type in 3c2b1 - it will NOT find the string that ends line 1 and continues onto line 2...
Do you see? Anyway- thought you ought to know. Probably due to linebreaks or EOL (end of line chars)

Regards,
A.

PS. Here is text without spaces or linebreaks as an ordinary text file (.txt)
Should work OK with this (does in notepad anyhow)

PPS. Yes - clear/erase all the text in your program and paste the attached text in... Works good now! :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 13, 09:53 AM 2014
@Steven
some questions

what to do?


1/QUESTION 1
if we find the following sequence in the search tool
2c3a1b_2
2c3a1b_2
2c3a1b_1

so we wait for next pin to chose
next pin is  35 DZ3
so what we play now
what we select

in the same configuration
next spin is 24 DZ
what we play as there are 2 choice withe 2 D2

QUESTION 2

we have the following sequence in the search tool
2c3a1b_1
2c3a1b_1
next spin 22 DZ2
what choice we make ?

question3
to play we must have only one eccurence in the seach tool
that right in the best case


question 4
can you explain what to do with zero ?

thank

there is problem with server roulette forum  today
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 13, 09:57 AM 2014
Hello everybody,

I've recreated the PDF file with the spins from Atlantis shared by Steven.
It should be without errors now.
If there's still errors in the PDF, please let me know so I can recreate the PDF again.

Thanks to Atlantis for the 850+ spins and thanks to Steven for his great system and for the work he put in this.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 13, 10:31 AM 2014
Hello roulettefan,

Thank you for your interest. I need to tell you that I have already discussed all the question you just asked. I will try to give it a go again but will remain brief. If it's not clear enough for you, I suggest you read again all the posts since the moment I wrote the tutorial of the system.

Question 1:

You are right to wait for an extra spin at this moment because a) there is three matches; and b) those three matches offer you at least two possibilities (i.e 1 and 2)
If 35 (dz 3) spins, then you lost your chance to get a trigger, It does not matter, just start again with your new last 6 spins to look for the trigger (You now include the 35 as you 6th and most recent spin)

If 1 comes up, you know what to do! You have one match left and it's 7 characters which constitutes a very strong trigger. You start betting...
If 2 comes up, you have two options. If the letter (column) following the 2 is different in the two matches, spin one more time to try to narrow it down to one match only. If it works, you will be ready to bet with and 8 pattern trigger. In this case, you have 95% chance to win on the very first step. These are the strongest triggers I've seen. I've never been able to get a 9 pattern before!
But if the letter is the same for the two matches (i.e 2a and 2a) then I would just pick one randomly, usually the first one in the list, and start betting against a.....

Question 2

Here you have no choice. If you have two matches with 1 and you decided to spin one more time and got a dz 2, you lost your trigger and you have no choice but to start looking for a new trigger.
However, like in the example above, if I have two matches only and they're both with the same next dozen, it's good enough for me to start betting. I usually chose the first one in the list and start my progression. It will normally win on the first or second step with a 6 pattern! FYI, in this exact example, it does win on the first bet since the outcome is in the 2nd dozen!

Question 3

I play the trigger if there is 1 match, or 2 matches with the same next dozen (i.e. 2c3a1b_2 and 2c3a1b_2). More than three matches or if the next dozens are different, I spin again to try to get a 7 pattern, or I start a new trigger search.
FYI, I have explained this extensively in a post a few pages back. Please go back and read all of my posts for more information on when the trigger is strong enough to start betting. This is an important concept but I have already explained it and cannot do it again.

Question 4

Sorry, but I have also treated the question of the 0 extensively. It is important too so you need to go back a few pages and pay close attention to all my post to find the information regarding how to treat the 0.

I hope it helps.

Cheers


Quote from: roulettefan on Feb 13, 09:53 AM 2014
@Steven
some questions

what to do?


1/QUESTION 1
if we find the following sequence in the search tool
2c3a1b_2
2c3a1b_2
2c3a1b_1

so we wait for next pin to chose
next pin is  35 DZ3
so what we play now
what we select

in the same configuration
next spin is 24 DZ
what we play as there are 2 choice withe 2 D2

QUESTION 2

we have the following sequence in the search tool
2c3a1b_1
2c3a1b_1
next spin 22 DZ2
what choice we make ?

question3
to play we must have only one eccurence in the seach tool
that right in the best case


question 4
can you explain what to do with zero ?

thank

there is problem with server roulette forum  today
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Normy2000 on Feb 13, 10:34 AM 2014
Hi Sam,

I did not found any 11,12,13,21,22,23,31,32,33,aa,ab,ac,ba,bc,ca,cb or cc,
But i found a "bb" at the begining of the file at around the 200th characters.

Normy
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 13, 10:39 AM 2014
@steven

merci c est pas évident en anglais de tout comprendre !
mais on est sur un forum anglais c est pour ça que je pose les questions en anglais lol

je continu a travailler ton système
merci et bravo

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 13, 11:22 AM 2014
Hello Normy,

I rechecked my doc file and my PDF file but I can't find a single bb in either file.
I've attached pictures of the doc document where it shows every b that's in the file.
But I can't find any bb in that file.

EDIT: I've attached the doc file too now
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 13, 04:34 PM 2014
Thank you for your work Steven. So far all my questions has been answered. I did some tests with play money rng and it worked, I also played a little multiplayer rng for real money, and it also worked. I need to speed up the coding process a bit, because at the moment it takes over 30 seconds for me to find out what the next bet should be, and that's the time limit at the multiplayer rng table.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 13, 05:52 PM 2014
Oui moi aussi je sais, mais c'est pour que tout le monde comprenne que je répond en anglais! S'il y a quelque chose que tu as pas bien compris PM moi et je te répondrai en Francais.

A plus

Quote from: roulettefan on Feb 13, 10:39 AM 2014
@steven

merci c est pas évident en anglais de tout comprendre !
mais on est sur un forum anglais c est pour ça que je pose les questions en anglais LoL

je continu a travailler ton système
merci et bravo
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 13, 05:56 PM 2014
Ati, be careful with RNG, but if you want to continue I have a quick suggestion to help you with the 30 seconds to place bet issue.
If you do not have enough time, when you arrive at the table just take the last 5 spins and start coding them and typing them in the search box. By the time, a new (6th) number will have spun, and then all you have to do is add that last number. It should leave you enough time. If not do the same thing with the last 4 spins and wait for two news spins... Does it make sense? It's what I used to do but now I am so used to code the outcomes that I do it intuitively without even looking at the board. I know whiteout thinking where each number belongs.

One more question for you. When you tried the system with real money on RNG, what was the typical strikerate ? Most on the 1st spins and sometimes seconds? Or have you been taken to the 3rd step? Because thats quite rare and if it's the case you should be worried about this RNG!

Let us know your progress.

Cheers

Quote from: ati on Feb 13, 04:34 PM 2014
Thank you for your work Steven. So far all my questions has been answered. I did some tests with play money rng and it worked, I also played a little multiplayer rng for real money, and it also worked. I need to speed up the coding process a bit, because at the moment it takes over 30 seconds for me to find out what the next bet should be, and that's the time limit at the multiplayer rng table.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 13, 06:20 PM 2014
J'pensait que c'ètait un forum anglais !

Just kidding ....


B :o
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Azim on Feb 13, 07:04 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 13, 05:56 PM 2014
Ati, be careful with RNG, but if you want to continue I have a quick suggestion to help you with the 30 seconds to place bet issue.
If you do not have enough time, when you arrive at the table just take the last 5 spins and start coding them and typing them in the search box. By the time, a new (6th) number will have spun, and then all you have to do is add that last number. It should leave you enough time. If not do the same thing with the last 4 spins and wait for two news spins... Does it make sense? It's what I used to do but now I am so used to code the outcomes that I do it intuitively without even looking at the board. I know whiteout thinking where each number belongs.

One more question for you. When you tried the system with real money on RNG, what was the typical strikerate ? Most on the 1st spins and sometimes seconds? Or have you been taken to the 3rd step? Because that's quite rare and if it's the case you should be worried about this RNG!

Let us know your progress.

Cheers


Steven,

Good job on this.

Can I ask you a technical question? 
Why can't we do what Vladir and Ausguy have suggested?
That is  create a trigger for 7 and update it with the last hit sequence.
We can even store it to a specific RNG casino, or Live Table.

What I mean by that is, Party Casino-> live dealer.. Trigger  1a2b1a result 2c.
Party Casino-> Sling shot(Air ball) Trigger 1a2b1a result 3c.

Will this not make it even stronger?


How did you calculate this?

The code to pattern 7 & 551,441 combo's.

Do you mind explaining?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 13, 07:10 PM 2014
Hello Azim,

I don't remember exactly the concept of Vladir, I will have to read again and see... But you can do whatever you want! I'm just here to give my opinion.

The 7 character's pattern odds are calculated like this:

3x3x3x3x3x3x3 which gives you 2,187 possible combinations. BUT, like I said in an earlier post, to this we add our 5 step progression "margin". You end with a 7+5=12 characters pattern. Therefore, the amount of different combinations that exist for a pattern 12 are:
3x3x3x3x3x3x3x3x3x3x3x3 = 531,441.

Cheers

Quote from: Azim on Feb 13, 07:04 PM 2014

Steven,

Good job on this.

Can I ask you a technical question? 
Why can't we do what Vladir and Ausguy have suggested?
That is  create a trigger for 7 and update it with the last hit sequence.
We can even store it to a specific RNG casino, or Live Table.

What I mean by that is, Party Casino-> live dealer.. Trigger  1a2b1a result 2c.
Party Casino-> Sling shot(Air ball) Trigger 1a2b1a result 3c.

Will this not make it even stronger?


How did you calculate this?

The code to pattern 7 & 551,441 combo's.

Do you mind explaining?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Azim on Feb 13, 07:17 PM 2014
Steven,

Thanks for the quick response.

The concept Vladir and Ausguy mentioned was to dynamically update the file with current result.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 13, 08:53 PM 2014
Like I said, I do not have the system in mind right now. So I would need to take a look at it.
But personally, when you tell me "dynamically" and "current results" it doesn't sound too good to me.
The reason is I believe in trends (and to some extent dealer signature). Although it's very unlikely that those two phenomenons affect the randomness of the system I proposed, why take the risk? What I am trying to say is that I don't like betting against current hot trends.
I think it is harder for Random to reproduce results that not only are 1 year old, but that also come from a different table/wheel, than asking Random to reproduce the sequences that a wheel just gave you, with the same dealer. I know it probably makes much difference, but I don't see why changing the process. For me it's easy enough.

But once again, you can do what you want. I'm just here to give my opinion...

Cheers

Quote from: Azim on Feb 13, 07:17 PM 2014
Steven,

Thanks for the quick response.

The concept Vladir and Ausguy mentioned was to dynamically update the file with current result.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 13, 09:44 PM 2014
Hi Steven and everyone

During testing on live wheel DB, I had the following nos. 18; 11; 11; 9; 28; 23; 
translating into 2B 1C 3B;  The codes to play against are: 3C2A2;  The numbers
which came afterwards are 33;24;23;20; Win on try 4; LLLW

3b2c2c1b2a3c1c2b3c1a1b3a2b1c3b3c2a2c2c2a2c1b1

Has anyone experienced this recently or is it an isolated incidence; or am I
doing something wrong….?

Thanks for your assistance.

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 13, 10:02 PM 2014
Dear Chris,

Pieces received your pm and from what you explained it seems like you are doing one little thing wrong. I'm out for the night, but I will try to get back to you more in detail. It's with the way you trigger.

Please allow me the time to get back to my computer and I will clarify things for you

Talk soon

Quote from: Chris555p on Feb 13, 09:44 PM 2014
Hi Steven and everyone

During testing on live wheel DB, I had the following nos. 18; 11; 11; 9; 28; 23; 
translating into 2B 1C 3B;  The codes to play against are: 3C2A2;  The numbers
which came afterwards are 33;24;23;20; Win on try 4; LLLW

3b2c2c1b2a3c1c2b3c1a1b3a2b1c3b3c2a2c2c2a2c1b1

Has anyone experienced this recently or is it an isolated incidence; or am I
doing something wrong….?

Thanks for your assistance.

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 13, 10:07 PM 2014
Hi Steven

Thanks for your assistance; Looking forward for the clarification.


Cheers


Chris
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 13, 10:16 PM 2014
Steven - I think you're misunderstanding what's being put forward about the "dynamic" idea.

As Vladir touched on, & as I previously suggested was basically that as each new spin occurred it could be added to pattern pool. Effectively as each new one is added the last one is deleted. It's just a way of refreshing the pattern pool.

Playing at your mentioned 3 - 4 hours per day @ 1 spin per minute game x 5 days would see the gradual replacement (but no increase) of the 879 pattern pool set. That's all that would change as everything else in your play would remain the same.

Using Party Casinos 1/2 hour dealer changes & at 40 dealer changes in 20 hours of play (4 hrs x 5 days) would challenge the casino' randomness VS the pattern pool randomness.

Only long term post mortem testing (EG every 5 play days) would show whether "STATIC" VS "DYNAMIC" is the most effective ?  There's also the possibility that there is nil effective difference ?

You appear to have missed my post # 149. It related to Party Casino's other V.I.P. wheel with 25 - 4,000 limits.



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Amiwrong on Feb 13, 10:22 PM 2014
          Hello, friends.

    First of all, I would like to thank all of you for bright and interesting ideas that I’m studing with great interest for quite a long time. Special thanks for Steven for sharing his concept with community.

    I don’t want to be negative or to annoy anybody. Just want to share a fact. The system failed. It failed straight away to hell less than in 2 hours. You may believe it or not, I’ve attached a screenshot and a photo of code.  It happened half an hour ago at William Hill live dealer table. I played real money and used strict rules. After the first hour I was up 27 units. I took a rest, and came back to the table about 10 mins later. After 40-45 mins later the random met the code. I mean it. I was 48 units up by that time.

    Now I’m trying to understand why it happened. I was so impressed with this method that it took me just one day testing to decide to play it for real. I have some ideas about it.

     1.   Extremely unlucky session. Weeeell, maybe. It’s never too soon you say, when you deal with random. But, I guess, there are a few more reasonable matters.
     2.   Cheating by William Hill. You never can tell, but I have one point why I don’t believe that version. The reason is following: I was playing 0,5 euro  base bat. I was playing 2400 euro on the same table on equal chance some time ago (i know I’m a stupidissimo) and it actually won. I mean that the bet was really low for serious cheating from William Hill. There were plenty of other players who had larger stakes. Much larger.
     3.   Probability issue. What I mean is that after looking at this system I had some really promising feeling. A feeling that I bet not to meet 11 exact thirds of the table by just 5 progression bets. But Feeling is always an illusion. In reality my bet was that I will not meet 5 exact thirds by 5 progression bets. We all know the odds and the results of such reality. I don’t want to hurt or blame anybody, I fully appreciate Steve’s willingness to share and would like to thank him for his effort to explain his idea to everybody. Just talking about the facts. I’m not a math’s guy to my bone, but still have some idea of how it’s working. Maybe my comprehension is short, but I can not get the connection between magic PDF’s file sequences that we use to find a trigger and real spins that come after. Look, we know that it’s almost impossible to meet exact sequence of 11 thirds (really bad luck). But when we start betting, we have already met (!!!) some sequence of 6 thirds and now we are to face 5 more. I mean that it’s much easier to meet 11 thirds when 6 of them are already fixed. It’s logical. It’s all about random. Please correct me if I’m wrong. It would make me a happier person.
     4.   Conspiracy. I mean that somebody from William Hill is reading this thread and has the PDF. And he is generating it’s sequences. Just for a couple of days/weeks to convince everybody that it won’t work.. Even more unbelievable than simple cheating, but why not? It’s a crazy world, you know. Than everyone of us can create his own PDF and we are rich. I just cannot get the rules of this PDF’s magic. If somebody can explain them â€" that would be a WOW! I would really love to make my own PDF.

    I would like to remind everybody that it’s just a sharing of experience and not meant to hurt anybody. We all agreed that this system can fail some day. The main aim is to find how often it happens and to determine exact reason why it happens. I hope that was helpful.

    Once again, Great thanks and best wishes to Steven and everybody who is trying to give his thought to the people. Hope we’ll reach the goal all together.

Philipp

P.S. Maybe I just got the whole method wrong… Please check the numbers in the printscreen and the sequence. If you tell me I’m an idiot I would be very very glad.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Amiwrong on Feb 13, 10:23 PM 2014
If You have problem with reading the numbers in the att file, they are: 22 6 16 3 2 1 30 5 2 5 33 15 6

sequance is 2c2c1a3b1b3c1
         
Started betting after  2c2c1a3b with 8 trigger (since it became the only triggger). Please correct me if I did something wrong.

Thaink You.

Philipp
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 13, 11:46 PM 2014
i think you dont make error

but steven will answer you soon

you are really really unlucky !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KoolKat on Feb 14, 01:09 AM 2014
Quote from: Amiwrong on Feb 13, 10:23 PM 2014
If You have problem with reading the numbers in the att file, they are: 22 6 16 3 2 1 30 5 2 5 33 15 6

sequance is 2c2c1a3b1b3c1
         
Started betting after  2c2c1a3b with 8 trigger (since it became the only triggger). Please correct me if I did something wrong.

Thaink You.

Philipp


Amiwrong I found this trigger at 2c2c1a in the PDF

b1c3c2a3c1c2b3b3c2c3c2a3b2c3b3a3a3b2a2c2c1a3c

Regards Koolkat
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 14, 02:54 AM 2014
I found the same as koolcat
You seem to have 3b and its 3c.
I only had a quick look.
Nick
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 14, 04:17 AM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 13, 05:56 PM 2014
One more question for you. When you tried the system with real money on RNG, what was the typical strikerate ? Most on the 1st spins and sometimes seconds? Or have you been taken to the 3rd step? Because that's quite rare and if it's the case you should be worried about this RNG!

Let us know your progress.

Cheers

I played very short sessions, so it's too early to say anything, but with real money, I hit almost every time on the first bet, and only a couple times on the second. No third steps were necessary.
I played a little more with play money, and I reached level 3 a couple times. More tests coming today.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 14, 04:25 AM 2014
Hi Ati

Thanks for your post; I hit lllw once, see my post above. 

Would it be possible to put the numbers where u encounter your level 3,
to see if u there are coincidentally some sort strange pattern with my lllw.
Thanks


Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Azim on Feb 14, 04:53 AM 2014
Quote from: KCIN012 on Feb 14, 02:54 AM 2014
I found the same as koolcat
You seem to have 3b and its 3c.
I only had a quick look.
Nick

Nick, I am missing something or AM!WRONG has misunderstood, or both of us are wrong.

I am using his numbers:  22 6 16 3 2 1 (2c2c1a) 30(3) 5(b) ? result-> 2

2c 2c 1a  I get hit on 3 . We supposed to see the next spin: 3 I now have 2 hits, next spin b.
I have a single hit the codes I get after 2c2c1a3b are ->1b3c1b.

Are we not supposed to be playing Dozen 1, Followed by Column 2, Followed by Dozen 3?

If I am right, he should have hit on 2?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 14, 05:09 AM 2014
KoolKat - I don't know how your Pdf code is set up but it is essential that the 879 positions are all continuous, as per Steven. I saw some mention on this thread that the code was broken if they were seperated into more than 1 page.

Using cristal 2000's CODE SEARCH on page 12 of this thread 2c2c1a gives 3 matches. The next no. 30R gives 2c2c1a3 & one match, then 5R is the eighth no. & still one match. Amiwrong then starts his betting & max'd out at L5. (8 + 5 = 13)

Incredibly the 13 spins shown on the marquee all match the code sequences. The odds for that is 3 to the power of 13 = 1 : 1,594,323.

One possible solution is to continue checking until no matches are found & then start betting. This would be easy to check if we had some more follow on spins from Amiwrongs casino play.

I subscribe to playing only live dealer either on line or B & M. I avoid RNG either the cartoon wheel type, the Vegas Star HD video game or airball/autowheel (also RNG) as they are all like Slots/Poker machines = manipulated results.

Another could be to have a stop loss "V" virtual bet (eg after a L3 loss) & "V" bet until a win & then make the L4 bet + same again for L5 if L4 loses.

The 879 code could be doubled to 1,758 if each spin had both the Dozen position & the Column position. This would change the phasing so may need some assessment ? Remember Steven used the 879 spins from a bank Atlantis had. As Steven has said you can use any spin sets you like, you're not locked into his 879.

This may work best for alt. Doz/Col betting as detailed below ?

Another idea that I've had from the Code 4 days is to alternate your bets in sequence as Doz, Col, Doz, Col, Doz, Col etc. This substantially increases the pattern array.

My idea does not need a bank of codes but just works off the last spun number as the trigger. I'd still be betting the OPPOSITE double 2 : 1 chances = Doz. or Col. You can still run a triple up Marty or Steven's Super Marty progession.

The trigger spin starts the betting on the Dozens, then that spin result is the trigger for the Column bet. Zero(s) is either a loss on bets or invalid for a starting trigger as we always need a 1 - 36 result for bet play. Zero insurance bets are an option for the higher level bets. The 2 : 1 bet amounts would need to be increased to cover any Zero insurance bet, if you want to maintain a profit ?

So now lets do a Dozen/Column test using Amiwrongs Marquee numbers. Dozens as 1,2,3. Columns as a,b,c & running as  low 1 -34, middle 2 - 35 & high 3 - 36.

22B Trigger "T" for Doz. & bet 1 & 3.                          W/L summary

6B  Doz. 1 & 3 bet wins & T bet Col. a & b.                  W   
16R Col. a & b bet wins & T bet Doz. 1 & 3.                 W
3R Doz. 1 & 3 bet wins & T bet Col. a & b.                  W
2B Col. a & b bet wins & T bet Doz. 2 & 3.                  W
1R Doz. 2 & 3 bet loses & T bet Col. a & b.                 L
30R Col. a & b bet loses & T bet Doz. 1 & 2.                L
5R Doz. 1 & 2 bet wins & T bet Col. a & c.                  W
2B Col. a & c bet loses & T bet Doz. 2 & 3.                 L
5R Doz. 2 & 3 bet loses & T bet Col. a & c.                 L
33B Col. a & c bet wins & T bet Doz. 1 & 2.                W
15B Doz. 1 & 2 bet wins & T bet Col. a & b.                W
6b Col. a & b bet loses & T bet Doz 2 & 3.                  L

End of betting due to end of spin info.

Obviously it's only a small sample but for what it's worth 13 spins.  12 bets + 1 Trigger saw 7 Wins & 5 losses.

It's a simpler method that doesn't require an iphone & so avoids possible problems with security playing at B & M casinos ( The ones I play at have strict rules on phone & camera use). It also eliminates a calculating process that may become tiresome if you choose to play longer sessions = in total 8 - 10 hours plus.

Amiwrong you can make your own PDF & I don't think WH would be worried or targeting you off a 1/2 Euro base bet? Wouldn't that make a L5 single position bet less than 50 Euros (x2 for dbl dozens < 100 Euro) ? After all WH already had all your bets to L4. The live spins should be random anyway as the live feed they use comes from elsewhere, like a contract studio perhaps with some local live players in the mix ?  Also they didn't target your bet of 2,400 Euro & so you had a nice win with that.

Azim - I was just about to post when yours came up. Stevens original idea was to play only the dozens & if you had deep pockets also play the columns.
He never mentioned anything about alternating the D's & C's. Amiwrong was also only playing the dozens. So for the plays he too, as does Steven, only uses the dozen codes.


 



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: shazwad on Feb 14, 05:27 AM 2014
Steven, many thanks for your system, I did a few tests and most hit on the first bet, a couple of times I went to the third bet.
However I have looked at Amiwrong's post and I get the same as he. I copied the text document with no line breaks into the code search box and that is what I have been using.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 14, 05:36 AM 2014
Correction on the 879 code thing. It already is 879 Dozens & 879 columns made for 1,758 total positions. I meant to check it before posting but forgot, sorry about that.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 14, 05:45 AM 2014
Quote from: Chris555p on Feb 14, 04:25 AM 2014
Hi Ati

Thanks for your post; I hit lllw once, see my post above. 

Would it be possible to put the numbers where u encounter your level 3,
to see if u there are coincidentally some sort strange pattern with my lllw.
Thanks


Cheers

Chris
Unfortunately I did not record the numbers, but it happened a couple times already. I think this database should be much bigger, because this is just from someone's 879 spins if I understand correctly. Many times I did not find a six spin pattern in the document. I also think that every new outcome should be somehow added to the document.
Let's say you have one hit for 1a2b3c and the next number in the pdf is 1. You bet on 2 and 3, and you win with a hit on dozen 2. The next time you search for the same pattern, there should be two hits in the pdf.
One interesting thing I found in the pdf, the 2c3b1b3a1b1a2 combination happened twice in this rather small sample.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 05:57 AM 2014
I've only done small test but no losses yet. Highest step 3rd.

Steven's idea reminds of a topic I made called "Another Code 4 idea":

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9441.msg78830#msg78830 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9441.msg78830#msg78830)

Although the trigger strings are much shorter (2 in fact)  the basic premise is the same...

Steven has of course made a giant step forward by using much larger trigger strings of 6 or more within a static database of outcomes which I feel makes the subsequent betting against a match % wise stronger...

I dealt with the problem of more than 1 matching couplet by simply ALWAYS having a rule to play against the outcome of the LAST occurrence recorded when a "trigger" happened. Whether it makes any difference or not I don't know.
Also, I liked the idea of a dynamically changing dataset that is always kept up to date and current.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 14, 06:29 AM 2014
Hello again,

I attach here an excel file I created that we can use for the "dynamic file" idea. It's quite simple actually and not that much work, if you play online. The file still needs to be populated, I haven't done that yet.

Two columns are in the file, "Initial Sequence" and "Betting Sequence". The Inicital Sequence are all the possible sequences of 6.  The Betting Sequence is the corresponding betting we will make (and also what we will update after playing). It's very easy to search, just use the filter in the Initial Sequence Column to search for the sequence you are currently playing.

For example, say we have 1a1a1a . I search for 1a1a1a in the Inicital Sequence column and I see "2a1c3". This is the 5 number sequence we will play in the next spins. After the 5 actual spins, we update the entry for this Inicital Sequence specifc pattern that originated our play. Lets say we actually got 2b2c1. We replace 2a1c3 for 2b2c1 .

I hope this serves as a base for further developments and to clarify some misconceptions from my previous explanation of what a dynamic file is.


Cheers


Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 06:56 AM 2014
Fantastic work, Vladir  :)
This is great idea for capturing latest outcomes after a default initial "6 string" trigger. And as you pointed out can always be kept and logged up to date. This perfectly embodies my "another code 4 idea" basis of betting against the LAST outcome of when the string occurred!! Great work, vladir.
ppl, I think this warrants some serious consideration as a viable alternative.
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 14, 07:06 AM 2014
I agree with Atlantis.
Great work Vladir!
I really like your idea.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 14, 07:13 AM 2014
Yes great start Vladir.

Let us all not forget Amiwrongs post # 218 that shows that INVINCIBLE is still actually VUNERABLE to random.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 14, 07:30 AM 2014
Hi Vladir

Thanks for posting the spreadsheet; However, as this is the first time I'm using this spreadsheet;
I'm not very familiar with it; Can u or someone else, explain the steps to be taken a bit more in detail;
Say I need to search for 3a3b3a, I tried to use the filter as indicated but indicated above, but
nothing comes in the betting sequence column.

May be I'm not using it correctly; Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Normy2000 on Feb 14, 08:43 AM 2014
Quote from: SamNL on Feb 13, 11:22 AM 2014
Hello Normy,

I rechecked my doc file and my PDF file but I can't find a single bb in either file.
I've attached pictures of the doc document where it shows every b that's in the file.
But I can't find any bb in that file.

EDIT: I've attached the doc file too now
Oups, Sorry Sam,
probably my mistake while transfering in Word??

Normy
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 14, 09:24 AM 2014
No problem Normy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Cristal2000 on Feb 14, 10:25 AM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 13, 05:56 AM 2014
Hi Cristal,
Thanks for the code search utility! This is just the kind of thing what is required. Simple and easy to use.
BUT.... One thing I noticed is that if the code WRAPS onto the next line in the textbox area then the search routine will NOT find the occurrence.
For instance if you run your prog and type in 3c2b1 - it will NOT find the string that ends line 1 and continues onto line 2...
Do you see? Anyway- thought you ought to know. Probably due to linebreaks or EOL (end of line chars)

Regards,
A.

PS. Here is text without spaces or linebreaks as an ordinary text file (.txt)
Should work OK with this (does in notepad anyhow)

PPS. Yes - clear/erase all the text in your program and paste the attached text in... Works good now! :)


hello to all

I updated the program


(link:://i57.tinypic.com/1678305.jpg)



1) put one line of code for the search continues

2) I put the keyboard for entering numbers with the conversion to automatic code search

3) very simple, also put buttons: CLEAR FIRST and CLEAR LAST

4) in setting I put the trigger to use (default is 6)


tested if everything is ok

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 10:34 AM 2014
vladir wrote:
Quote
The file still needs to be populated, I haven't done that yet.

A quick way would be to copy the initial settings data across to the next column - and then sort that column only in reverse so you immediately populate each initial string with its opposite.
e.g.
1a1a1a        3c3c3c

It's still asking a lot for random to do the exact reverse of a six char string.

Then on that initial trigger occurring (1a1a1a) play against 3c3c3 and just update with new 5 results after the spins e.g.: replace 3c3c3c with whatever happened to always get the latest results e.g..:

1a1a1a  2b3a1

I have attached the EXAMPLE sheet populated in this manner. Of course there could be other ideas..

Regards,
A. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 10:50 AM 2014
That's BRILLIANT, cristal2000!!!
Excellent job.
I like the options.

Just noticed if you click the clear 1st, last or all BUTTONS and the textbox is EMPTY it causes an unhandled exception error!
Oh and double numbers do not show up properly in the number history box (upper right) single numbers seems ok.

It's getting better!

Regards,
A.

PS. My idea for improvement would be when it says "TRIGGER!" to show HOW MANY triggers...
eg: "3 TRIGGERS!"
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Normy2000 on Feb 14, 11:00 AM 2014
Yes, indeed, very nice tools, congrats!  :thumbsup:

PS: I still see a bb in the doc ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 14, 11:10 AM 2014
I did some experiment with rng. After I opened up the table, I coded 200 free spins into a document, and started playing with that very small database. Instead of 6, I used the last 4 spins to search for triggers, and it gives me as good results as the original system. If I don't have a trigger, I just do more free spins until I have one, and I add every new spin to the database.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 11:41 AM 2014
Hi,

Here I am reposting the c4i.txt file to eliminate the "bb" occurrence.

Regards,
A.

Further error found "13" occurrence FIXED in revision 2
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 14, 11:59 AM 2014
Excellent job Cristal2000; Thanks
for sharing.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Amiwrong on Feb 14, 12:07 PM 2014
Hello.

I would like to clear some things out about my session. I used iBook on iPad mini and original PDF file to find trigger. Rechecked it many times after and it was correct and the only one when I started betting. I used 5 step progression and played both column and dozens.. I believe it is the way it was supposed to be played as if you play only dozens you lose your triggers in the middle of the progression run frequently. I mean you have trigger, say, 1a1b1c and following 1c3b1 (just example from mind).. you bet against 1 dozen.. you lose. Then you hold on and comes let’s say b.. the trigger is lost now as sequence does not correspondent to the PDF anymore.. So you lost your 1st bet and no sense to bet against 1 now as trigger is broken.. That is how I see it. Correct me please if I wrong.

With great respect,

Philipp
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Cristal2000 on Feb 14, 12:08 PM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 14, 11:41 AM 2014
Hi,

Here I am reposting the c4i.txt file to eliminate the "bb" occurrence.

Regards,
A.

Further error found "13" occurrence FIXED in revision 2




2.1 version

CODE updated without "bb"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 14, 12:17 PM 2014
Very nice cristal! Could you make it possible to add more numbers after we have a trigger?
For example I added 1b2c3a, and there are 11 hits, so I need to be able to add more numbers to have less matches.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 14, 12:19 PM 2014
very good cristal 2000

how to do with your program

if we need to enter 7 spins as in case there is 4 or 5  trigger

is is possible to enter one more spin so it will be 7 to find a new trigger

thank

hope you understand my question
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 14, 12:26 PM 2014
Steven ... Kudos

cristal2000 ... Kudos

cristal2000...seeing as you've become the official programmer for Code Invincible ... would it be possible to take up LESS screen space...

Maybe by reducing the file section of the program to only show the found string followed by 4 bets.... would save VALUABLE screen space.


Still testing ...


Thanks all from an old fart...

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Cristal2000 on Feb 14, 01:10 PM 2014
Quote from: ati on Feb 14, 12:17 PM 2014
Very nice cristal! Could you make it possible to add more numbers after we have a trigger?
For example I added 1b2c3a, and there are 11 hits, so I need to be able to add more numbers to have less matches.


Should I increase the TRIGGER in the Setup section, from 6 to?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Cristal2000 on Feb 14, 01:15 PM 2014
Quote from: Buffster on Feb 14, 12:26 PM 2014
Steven ... Kudos

cristal2000 ... Kudos

cristal2000...seeing as you've become the official programmer for Code Invincible ... would it be possible to take up LESS screen space...

Maybe by reducing the file section of the program to only show the found string followed by 4 bets.... would save VALUABLE screen space.


Still testing ...


Thanks all from an old fart...

B



I'll see what I can do


this other alternative  :twisted: :twisted:

(link:://:.tomshw.it/forum/attachments/home-office-video-editing-fotoritocco/16802d1321209704-postazione-multi-monitor-per-una-linux-workstation-ubuntu-bvlvr.jpg)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 14, 01:22 PM 2014
Hello cristal,

A trigger of 7 would be great. I tend to get a lot of matches with the 6 in my testing so far.

Any improvements would be much appreciated.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 14, 01:31 PM 2014
Quote from: cristal2000 on Feb 14, 01:10 PM 2014

Should I increase the TRIGGER in the Setup section, from 6 to?
That wouldn't be the right solution, because I still want to play 6, but if I have too many matches for 6 number patterns, I want to add more numbers, witch I'm not able to do at the moment when the software shows trigger. If I click on numbers, nothing happens. Hope you understand, what I'm trying to tell.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 14, 01:39 PM 2014
Quote from: cristal2000 on Feb 14, 01:15 PM 2014


I'll see what I can do


this other alternative  :twisted: :twisted:

(link:://:.tomshw.it/forum/attachments/home-office-video-editing-fotoritocco/16802d1321209704-postazione-multi-monitor-per-una-linux-workstation-ubuntu-bvlvr.jpg)

I had ( still have ) the same setup, but we're selling the house and my two other monitors are in storage for the time being. But, just the same, I'm sure others suffer from lack of real estate.

Thank you for the consideration

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 14, 02:13 PM 2014
I don't know if someone else has noticed it but usually when there are several matches
I simply bet the first one; In vast majority of the times it's a W on 1st attempt;
Otherwise on 2nd attempt it's bingo; rarely I go beyond 3rd attempt even when there are
several matches.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 02:16 PM 2014
Quote from: Amiwrong on Feb 14, 12:07 PM 2014
Hello.

I would like to clear some things out about my session. I used iBook on iPad mini and original PDF file to find trigger. Rechecked it many times after and it was correct and the only one when I started betting. I used 5 step progression and played both column and dozens.. I believe it is the way it was supposed to be played as if you play only dozens you lose your triggers in the middle of the progression run frequently. I mean you have trigger, say, 1a1b1c and following 1c3b1 (just example from mind).. you bet against 1 dozen.. you lose. Then you hold on and comes let’s say b.. the trigger is lost now as sequence does not correspondent to the PDF anymore.. So you lost your 1st bet and no sense to bet against 1 now as trigger is broken.. That is how I see it. Correct me please if I wrong.

With great respect,

Philipp


Hi amiwrong.
What I understand to be correct from Steven is that if you get initial trigger "1a1b1c" and following "1c3b1" you then play a 5 step marty against 1c3b1 outcome to follow. Bet against 1. If no win then bet against c. If no win bet against 3. If no win bet against b. If no win bet against 1.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Feb 14, 03:27 PM 2014
i can see a blonde, a brunette !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: marivo on Feb 14, 03:30 PM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 14, 02:16 PM 2014
Hi amiwrong.
What I understand to be correct from Steven is that if you get initial trigger "1a1b1c" and following "1c3b1" you then play a 5 step marty against 1c3b1 outcome to follow. Bet against 1. If no win then bet against c. If no win bet against 3. If no win bet against b. If no win bet against 1.

A.

He did so and lost! That's the point, Atlantis!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 04:34 PM 2014
OK Marivo - well maybe not so invincible after all!

I'm thinking of using the progression 1-1, 2-2 ,3-3 ,4-4 ,5-5.....etc
Up 1 on a loss. Stay at the same level on a win until recovered to level high or when reaching a new positive high.
Always resetting to 1-1 whenever level or ahead.
More safer and cautious but of course profits take longer to amass...
For this to work well enough though the selection method does need to get a good percentage of winners on the first step.
2nd step recovers 1st step losses.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KCIN012 on Feb 14, 04:51 PM 2014
Just spun 2a3a3a Then spun the numbers 17-10-6-30-13-19 seventh spin won no34

Only on demo thank goodness
Have had mixed luck testing.

Nick
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 14, 05:33 PM 2014
Quote from: Chris555p on Feb 14, 02:13 PM 2014
I don't know if someone else has noticed it but usually when there are several matches
I simply bet the first one; In vast majority of the times it's a W on 1st attempt;
Otherwise on 2nd attempt it's bingo; rarely I go beyond 3rd attempt even when there are
several matches.
I did the same during my first test, but that's probably not a good idea. The point of the whole system is to bet a pattern, that never happened before.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 14, 06:12 PM 2014
Quote from: ati on Feb 14, 11:10 AM 2014
I did some experiment with rng. After I opened up the table, I coded 200 free spins into a document, and started playing with that very small database. Instead of 6, I used the last 4 spins to search for triggers, and it gives me as good results as the original system. If I don't have a trigger, I just do more free spins until I have one, and I add every new spin to the database.
I finished testing this, and it did very well, but it took time to add every new spin to the database, and checking for triggers. After the 200 coded spins, I needed about 170 spins to win 50 units. Most of the triggers won the first bet, some on the second, 3 times on the third, and 1 time on the fourth. As the database were growing I had more and more triggers. I had 375 recorded spins at the end, and for that size of database the 4 character pattern worked perfectly. If I'd play for longer, I probably would have had to switch to 5 character patterns.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Kattila on Feb 14, 06:53 PM 2014
Nice system Steven , and here some personal opinions because I also
was into this kind of systems for a while:

1. the trigger  make no sense for me
2. for sure it s not invincible , maybe if play hit and run and with luck can make some units
    ( can be xxx units or even xxxx units or just xx units)
    before hit the bad run and lose all 5 steps
3. here an idea that i posted about 3 years ago ( but for sure not winner in the long run) :



FIXED
TRIGGERS (have to wait  a lot to get a trigger  ):

1A1A1A..........bet against the first 5 with 5 steps
1B1B1B..........bet against the first 5 with 5 steps
1C1C1C...........BLA...BLA............

2A2A2A
2B2B2B
2C2C2C

3A3A3A
3B3B3B
3C3C3C

1A1B1C
2A2B2C
3A3B3C

1B1C1A
2B2C2A
3B3C3A

1C1A1B
2C2A2B
3C3A3B

1A2B3C
1B2C3A
1C2A3B

Others triggers can start with A,B, or C and not with 1,2,3.
So same triggers from above but start with A , B  or C.

Ex:

A1A1A1
B1B1B1
etc.......

A1B2C3....

Other option is wait only shorter trigger like :
1A1A and bet against 1A1A1 ( 5th step optional)
1A2B  and bet against 3C1A   ( why ?.....see....1A2B3C1A2B3C....) 
etc...


Cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Kattila on Feb 14, 08:36 PM 2014
I forgot

1A2A3A    (A1A2A3)
1B2B3B    (B1B2B3)
1C2C3C    (C1C2C3)

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 14, 11:05 PM 2014
Everyone,

Sorry I've abandoned the thread for the past 24 hours. It's valentine day and I left for the weekend with my wife.
I'm following the thread everyday from my iPhone but I have too much to say to reply from the small screen of the phone.

Please be patient. I will catch with all of you tomorrow of the day after.

So much to say........

Cheers,

Steven
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 14, 11:08 PM 2014
Just one more thing, though, and I cannot wait two days to say that! Cristal2000 you are absolutely awesome. I cannot wait to go home to my laptop as check out your program.

Thanks for getting involved!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ching-A-Ling on Feb 14, 11:41 PM 2014
Hi,
   I'm new to the forum and my friend Chris asked me to check out Code 3 and the Invincible Systems. He was so overwhelmed he titled his personal message "Re: New ATM". After decades of testing all kinds of systems and strategies, naturally I laughed. Don't get me wrong, I personally believe it is possible to be a winner in a negative expectation game, but there are many factors that have to come together for that to be possible. I've only come across a few strategies in 40 plus years that can show a positive in a negative expectation game. Naturally bankroll, money management, discipline, stop-lost, and a limited progression are generally necessary to grind out a steady buck. Yes, all the math guys say "Every system loses in the long run" but I personally believe no one can live long enough to ever see the so called Long Run. I believe in the hit and run, but understand that the nightmare can happen at any time, starting with the first spin. There are no Holy Grails or Easy Roads, it's all about the "grind" and the risk/reward ratio. Losses are part of the game and must be accounted for in any strategy or system, so when when someone says they never lose my warning bells go off.
      I've read the Code 4 thread a few times and I must admit I responsed to my friend Chris, that this isn't something new. Pattern betting is as old as the hills and has been tried with every imaginable progression. He wrote me back and asked that I take another look, so that's what I did. I personally like the hit and run approach, I use it very successfully in my own play. I like the use of the dozens and columns combined and the limited progress, but from the numbers stated by a few of the members here it's clearly a loser if played continiously. That is based only on the limited trials stated in a few post here.
   Then I started read this thread of the Invincible System and started to be a little interested. I even did a few sample testing of my own. Whether the pattern or sequence is 10 consecutive black or red is still has the same odds of any random sequence in any even chance outcome. This odds on any 2 to 1 (dozens or columns) will also hold the same probabilities whether its 10 consecutive first dozen or third column, it doesn't matter how the sequence is layed out any pattern of 10 holds the same odds based on the 2 to 1 bets.
     I see that the Code 4 calls for charting the prior 12 spins and then start betting the opposite of the first 4 charted results with a progression of 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, & 27/27 with an investment of 80 units. Based on only the limited results posted here it showed a negative outcome on continuious play. But on a very limited hit and run the results stated amazing results in one case. It's stated it rarely ever reached the 4th step of the progression and the outcome for the 3rd step of the progression I found very interesting.
       This is just my thoughts, why wait for 12 prior spins to begin the betting, we all know each spin is independent, just chart the prior 3 spins and starting betting that the next 3 spins wouldn't be a repeat. The odds will still be the same no matter how long the "trigger" is so why wait at all. Sense the success rate is supposely so good based of just 3 steps I would then recommend paralaying any WINS to the 3rd step of the progression. Example if I'm using a $10 unit base the progression would look like this: $10/$10, $30/$30, & $90/$90 = $260. Let's say I have 3 wins totally $30. I would take that $30 and paralay it to the 3rd step of
$90/$90 to $105/$105. I would continue to do this with all my wins and keep increasing the 3 step. At any point where my 3 step wins and my bankroll has doubled I would stop and reset back to my original progression. This paralaying strategy gives you a greater chance of reaching the "break even point" of $260 investment and based on the number of good runs without losing the 3 steps you have a great chance of a profit vs investment. For those with the right size bankroll and also include a recovery stage should you lose the 3rd step of the progression.
Level 2 would be double the investment and only for recover, it would require $20/$20, $60/$60, & $180/$180 =$520. The total bankroll would come to $780 for the both levels. I've done a simple RNG test and it was very interesting to say the least. Thanks for listening and I really enjoyed the forum!!!!  Louie/Ching-A-Ling
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: shazwad on Feb 15, 03:56 AM 2014
Quote from: Kattila on Feb 14, 06:53 PM 2014
Nice system Steven , and here some personal opinions because I also
was into this kind of systems for a while:

1. the trigger  make no sense for me
2. for sure it s not invincible , maybe if play hit and run and with luck can make some units
    ( can be xxx units or even xxxx units or just xx units)
    before hit the bad run and lose all 5 steps
3. here an idea that i posted about 3 years ago ( but for sure not winner in the long run) :

Why have fixed triggers?  Sorry if this has been tested before but why not wait for 5 numbers to come out e.g. 3b1c1c and then bet against this?

FIXED
TRIGGERS (have to wait  a lot to get a trigger  ):

1A1A1A..........bet against the first 5 with 5 steps
1B1B1B..........bet against the first 5 with 5 steps
1C1C1C...........BLA...BLA............

2A2A2A
2B2B2B
2C2C2C

3A3A3A
3B3B3B
3C3C3C

1A1B1C
2A2B2C
3A3B3C

1B1C1A
2B2C2A
3B3C3A

1C1A1B
2C2A2B
3C3A3B

1A2B3C
1B2C3A
1C2A3B

Others triggers can start with A,B, or C and not with 1,2,3.
So same triggers from above but start with A , B  or C.

Ex:

A1A1A1
B1B1B1
etc.......

A1B2C3....

Other option is wait only shorter trigger like :
1A1A and bet against 1A1A1 ( 5th step optional)
1A2B  and bet against 3C1A   ( why ?.....see....1A2B3C1A2B3C....) 
etc...


Cheers
I dont know if this has already been tested but how about wait for 5 numbers eg 1c3a1b and then bet against this pattern occuring again??
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Kattila on Feb 15, 06:24 AM 2014
I am sure random can reproduce any sequence /pattern  the problem is how often will do that.
So any idea (also this original system by Steven) must be tested for the long run.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 15, 08:26 AM 2014
Kattila - As Amiwrong found out random came along & took him out with a L5 loss. Looking at the WH Marquee all 13 numbers matched a part of Stevens 879  sequence code. I calculated that out at odds of over 1 & 1/2 million to one.

So how far do you go with testing ?  Steven opts for 3 - 4 hours play per day. That's about 180 - 240 spins @ 1 spin/min. 2 million spins played every day of the year would take 27 years + @ 200 spins per seession to complete.

Amiwrong could play for decades & never get another "Run From Hell" like he did the other day ?  There has to be a better/easier way ?

Updating the sequence code (already discussed) may have some merit ?

An option, using the WH 13 Marquee numbers as an example, would be to have the code calculator set up so that you could keep feeding in the spins until you got just 1 match, note the last result + the next set (or have a different colour highlight function in the code reader to do that). Then put in the next spin & if that doesn't show a match then bet the Dozs. or Cols. of the next unmatched number as per the bet sequence.

Also perhaps a stop loss could be worthwhile where you could stop betting at L2 or L3 & Virtual bet until a win &/or run a revised check through the coder to reset the bets ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Feb 15, 09:04 AM 2014
Ausguy....you of all people should know that odds are odds and when they will occur is when ever they want. Could be after a day
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 15, 09:33 AM 2014
Out of interest I just looked at a simpler method of dbl. doz/col betting.

I took some live dealer spins I have & using the 1st 3 spins to get 6 (3 & 3) doz. & col. triggers. Each spin gave a doz. & a col trigger. So off 3 trigger spins I had 6 bet lines. The last 3 bet lines of the 6 also become the triggers for the next 6 bets.

I only did 24 bets and had 16 wins & 8 losses. The highest loss was to L3 & so a L4 win & the next 2 were also wins, so a stop loss would have also worked.

My thinking is that a less complex method may be just as effective as Steven's ? Like a diamond these things can have many facets. A plus is that playing the simpler way at a B & M casino a player doesn't have to worry about "electronic devices" & the calc's are easy, even for on line..   
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 15, 09:38 AM 2014
Very profound Turner - NOT !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 15, 09:51 AM 2014
I created a spreadsheet which generates 250 X 6 sequences. Each sequence does not repeat either a dozen or a column. Meaning I would have 1A2B3C 1A2C3B .... only a possible 18 different sequences.

I play a sequence till a win ( 6 bets max ) .... then move on to the next sequence.

So far I've encountered 6 losing bets in a row twice. This after a few thousand trials.

I'm trying to work out a way to circumvent the 6 losing bets in a row.

Also trying different betting schemes.


Random is Random...no matter which way you look at it.


B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 15, 11:31 AM 2014
Buff. - The easiest way to stop a string of losses is to stop betting somewhere before the end of any 6 or change your bets mid-stream.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 15, 02:26 PM 2014
Hi Louie/Ching-a-ling,
Welcome to the forum. I followed your strategy thread on the other site but I wonder, can you please show an actual example of what you mean here?

Quote
Since the success rate is supposely so good based of just 3 steps I would then recommend paralaying any WINS to the 3rd step of the progression. Example if I'm using a $10 unit base the progression would look like this: $10/$10, $30/$30, & $90/$90 = $260. Let's say I have 3 wins totally $30. I would take that $30 and paralay it to the 3rd step of
$90/$90 to $105/$105. I would continue to do this with all my wins and keep increasing the 3 step. At any point where my 3 step wins and my bankroll has doubled I would stop and reset back to my original progression. This paralaying strategy gives you a greater chance of reaching the "break even point" of $260 investment and based on the number of good runs without losing the 3 steps you have a great chance of a profit vs investment. For those with the right size bankroll and also include a recovery stage should you lose the 3rd step of the progression.
Level 2 would be double the investment and only for recover, it would require $20/$20, $60/$60, & $180/$180 =$520. The total bankroll would come to $780 for the both levels. I've done a simple RNG test and it was very interesting to say the least.

It looked quite interesting but just wanted to be sure I had understood it right. Thanks.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: roulettefan on Feb 15, 03:09 PM 2014
@atlantis
from witch "other site " this come from please


Since the success rate is supposely so good based of just 3 steps I would then recommend paralaying any WINS to the 3rd step of the progression. Example if I'm using a $10 unit base the progression would look like this: $10/$10, $30/$30, & $90/$90 = $260. Let's say I have 3 wins totally $30. I would take that $30 and paralay it to the 3rd step of
$90/$90 to $105/$105. I would continue to do this with all my wins and keep increasing the 3 step. At any point where my 3 step wins and my bankroll has doubled I would stop and reset back to my original progression. This paralaying strategy gives you a greater chance of reaching the "break even point" of $260 investment and based on the number of good runs without losing the 3 steps you have a great chance of a profit vs investment. For those with the right size bankroll and also include a recovery stage should you lose the 3rd step of the progression.
Level 2 would be double the investment and only for recover, it would require $20/$20, $60/$60, & $180/$180 =$520. The total bankroll would come to $780 for the both levels. I've done a simple R
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 15, 03:22 PM 2014
Hi Roulettefan,

It's in THIS topic... Reply#267  ;)

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 15, 03:30 PM 2014
@Ati

Yes I agree with u, upon further testing it is much better to wait
trigger no. 7 or no. 8 as it becomes much safer. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 15, 04:48 PM 2014
Atlantis - What's the other forum site that Ching_a_ling posts on ? I'm sure that's what roulettefan wants to look at, not post #267 on here.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 15, 04:51 PM 2014
Welcome on board Louis.
It is Rouletteforum.com
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ching-A-Ling on Feb 15, 09:32 PM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 15, 02:26 PM 2014
Hi Louie/Ching-a-ling,
Welcome to the forum. I followed your strategy thread on the other site but I wonder, can you please show an actual example of what you mean here?

It looked quite interesting but just wanted to be sure I had understood it right. Thanks.

Regards,
A.

Hi Atlantis and Chris,
    Thanks guys for the welcome, really enjoy the forum.
  Well based on Amk's post:
     "1600 live Spielbank spins were played consecutively so we have an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like....

385 games played, 279 wins on bet 1, 65 on bet 2, 24 on bet 3, 5 on bet 4, 5 total loses..."

     I did the totals just as jordan69 did:
    "1) 5 total losses => -400 units
     2) all the wins (279 + 65 + 24 + 5) => + 373 units
     ... if played with 1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27 and without the 0 fees...
      so global result is : - 27 units (+ 0 fees that we can't avoid)."

     I understand this was based 1600 consecutive spins, and the
     strategy recommends a limited "hit and run" approach. What
     caught my interest was even playing consecutively a (-27 unit)
     loss wasn't that bad for 1600 spins. There was others that mentioned 
     the strike rate was fairly high within the first 3 steps of the progression
     and at times there was long runs of wins WITHOUT going past the 3rd
     step. So with everything taken into consideration I ran a few simple
     RNG test using only 3 steps, just to get an idea of the results. Yes I
     did see some good runs without going past the 3rd step of the
     progression. That's when I started testing the 12 number trigger and
     realized the results were similar even without the 12 number trigger.
     
     So Atlantis here is the results from just one simple testing so you
     can get a better understanding.

     I used a $10 unit base and the 3 step progression was $10/$10,
     $30/$30, & $90/$90 for Level 1. Should Level 1 fail, Level 2 would
     be used as a recovery stage (just like in the Ching-A- Ling but only
     1 recovery stage). The recovery stage, Level 2, would be double
     $20/$20, $60/$60, & $180/$180. The investment for the 2 levels
      would be $260 & $520 totaling $780. So the "break even point"
      would be 78 winning units. The probability is against us from prior
      results posted and my own testing playing consecutively. So the key
      was how do I "try" to turn that negative expectation into a positive.
      Seeing that there was long runs of a high strike rate with just 3 steps
      I tried a strategy a friend uses and is fairly successful with. Every WIN
      is paralayed to ONLY the 3rd step of the progression!!!!!

Example: First Step - $10/$10, Second Step - $30/$30,
              Third Step - $90/$90.
Keep in mind I DID NOT use the 12 number trigger!!!
I watched the first 3 spins and began my betting progression
on the OPPOSITE of the prior 3 spins! I personally found no
relavence in waiting for 12 spins!!

Here's one test where I lost Level 1. This is to show how
Level 2 came into play and recovered.

Three prior spins before betting:     
1.)     3/A/1  (The betting begins)
2.)     3/B/2    Win on (B) +10   The $10 is paralayed to
                                                Step 3 which now total
                                                $95/$95
3.)      1/A/2    Win on (1) +10    Paralay the $10 again to
                                                 Step which now totals
                                                $100/$100
Atlantis I have to stop here I apologize, pressed for time and
this would take some time to type it all up. I'm certain you can
see the process. It's very simple very Win is pressed to Step 3!
Again there's no waiting, I just kept betting looking for one win
in three spins based on the Opposite of the prior 3 spins. With the
high strike rate based on this 3 Step Progression everytime you
win you increase the 3rd Step of the progression. With a good run
and a few KEY hit on the 3rd Step you will now be making more
then the original strategy $10 profit on the 3rd bet progression.
You now have a greater chance of doubling the Level 1 investment
of $260. Once you reach the "break even point" $260 profit you
stop and reset the progression back to it's original start and begin
all over again.

Just for your info, the above Level 1 failed in 11 sets of 3 spins
losing the bank of $260.  Level 2 recovered 22 sets of 3 spins
and hit the profit of $520. That's a $260 overall profit and a return
to Level 1 and begin all over!!!!!  Sorry have to run. Remember
what I always say, "Test it yourself." I had some very interesting
results. Take Care! Louie/Ching-A-Ling
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foogus on Feb 15, 10:12 PM 2014
Quote from: Chris555p on Feb 15, 04:51 PM 2014
Welcome on board Louis.
It is Rouletteforum.com

Over there Houston really has a problem.  :o
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 16, 06:08 AM 2014
Hi chingy,

Quote
It's very simple very Win is pressed to Step 3!
Again there's no waiting, I just kept betting looking for one win
in three spins based on the Opposite of the prior 3 spins. With the
high strike rate based on this 3 Step Progression everytime you
win you increase the 3rd Step of the progression. With a good run
and a few KEY hit on the 3rd Step you will now be making more
then the original strategy $10 profit on the 3rd bet progression.
You now have a greater chance of doubling the Level 1 investment

Thank you. Yes I understand it now - any profits from steps 1 and 2 are invested onto a possible win if it gets to step 3.
By the way, the way you play is very similar to my "code 4 elite" variant. No waiting for 12 results before playing.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ching-A-Ling on Feb 16, 11:13 AM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 16, 06:08 AM 2014
Hi chingy,

Thank you. Yes I understand it now - any profits from steps 1 and 2 are invested onto a possible win if it gets to step 3.
By the way, the way you play is very similar to my "code 4 elite" variant. No waiting for 12 results before playing.

A.

Hi Atlantis,
      It's very simple and knew you'd understand immediately.
  By the way, I don't play this strategy, I was asked by Chris
  to check it out because he thought it was really good. At first
  I just realized I had seen many forms of the strategy thoughout
  the years and they all failed at one point. When I had told Chris,
  he asked me to take another look. He was under the impression
  this might be a new "ATM Machine", so I didn't want to see him
  get caught up in this without doing some testing myself. Once
  I started looking at the results from the testing I tried a few ideas
  to see if I might come up with something that might increase the
  strike rate and take better advantage of long runs when the losses
  where limited to the 3 step progression.
       I only play one strategy and of course it's the Ching-A-Ling.
   I'm of the belief, "If it's NOT broken, DON"T fix it!" I have improved
   the strategy a little. I've been able to lower the bankroll a little and
   have been able at the same time to make the recovery stages faster
   to get back to Level 1. I haven't shared the information but with only
   two people. I've learned from the "other" forum that it's clear 99.9%
   of people are not up to the "grind" and mostly looking for the Holy
   Grail or some silly bot. Everyone wants the fast and easy way! Out of
   the hundreds that I have taught and played my strategy only a handful
   understood and followed the rules and were disciplined enough to realize
   it's a "GRIND" and "HARD WORK." It's a race Atlantis, but it's a slow
   race and only profit deteremines the winner. You get tired after a while
   watching people alter something over and over and over. Even when
   you lay out the theory of the strategy, The Laws of Distribution and
   Appearances, streaks in even money chance account for approximately
   75% of all trials compared to single events. This is the strength behind
   my strategy. Everyone wants to play online and no matter how much
   I protest that online casino programs are "corrupt" and interact with
   a bettors bets, they are all confused when they lose. True the strategy
   has losses and that is figured into the strategy, but it's losses based
   on true randomness not some program that kicks in once the percent-
   ages start going against these corrupt online casinos. I play in real
   casinos and I'm constantly moving from table to table. It's "work" and
   most gamblers have no time for that. I've always stated that IF there
   truly was a Holy Grail, gamblers would still screw it up and go broke!
   You've read many of my post and know my thoughts on the Human
   Factors. So now at this stage I don't share any of the improvements
   to the Ching-A-Ling. I love reading and any game of chance that's why
   I'm here and if I can save a "kid" from getting in involved in the illusion
   of great riches from gambling, I help by showing them the numbers and
   the "real truth." 99.9% of gamblers are losers, not because of some
   small house edge but based on the Human Factors! Well my friend, I
   enjoyed posting and I think this will become a new home for me. I love
   how the site is run and all posts are reveiwed first! Stay Well, Louie
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 12:56 PM 2014
   I protest that online casino programs are "corrupt" and interact with
   a bettors bets,

And you have total and complete proof that ALL casinos are rigged?  Could we see this proof?

And please don't use the old saw, "Well, just go ahead an play your on-line casinos and you'll find out." 

Again, where is your proof?  By the way, what the H does "I protest" mean?  Do you caution?  Warn?  Admonish?  You could throw an elephant through that loophole!

TwoCat
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 16, 01:02 PM 2014
Sam

I'm saying this from the kindness of my heart .... RELAX ... CHILL...


B :smile:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 01:07 PM 2014
Buff

Thanks for that.  I am totally chilled and relaxed.

Hear me now and believe me later-------I have played BV for a few million spins on both play money and real.  If there is a difference, someone would have to point it out to me.  With facts and figures, mind you, not speculation.

I can almost promise and guarantee this:  If you play a system long enough on BV fun, you will lose.  If they were rigged, you would always win on play money so you would gain confidence and switch to real.

I usually allow for being wrong.  I would have to be proven wrong to believe I am.

I'm so chilled, I got frost on my codgers!!   :o

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 16, 01:12 PM 2014
Sam

I know your a pretty relaxed kind of guy .... was just imagining a vein popping out from your forhead ... ::)

Didn't want to lose you so soon  :'(

We all love ya Sam

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 16, 01:17 PM 2014
I agree with Sam.
For example: BV Live uses the exact same stream as 888 Casino, Kroon Casino, William Hill and probably more. So I don't believe that they interact with a bettor's bet because they use the same stream.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 16, 01:30 PM 2014
Hello,

I have been missing all weekend and just caught up with all of the thread. I guess there is not much more for me to say right now.
Here are the few things that go through my mind. When I take a step back later, I may have more things to say....

1) It really sucks that someone lost the 5 step progression. The worst is that:

a) it was a live casino and probably not rigged. It was pure bad luck that showed the vulnerability of the system
b) it was with an 8 pattern trigger! Can you believe it? 1Millions++ different possible combination, and it still came out?!
c) I can't even say that he was using the system in excess. I personally use myself it for 80-100 units per day. I though It was invincible because I have never lost in such a long time. But we now have the proof that with enough bad luck it could lose on your first try!

My problem, now, is that I do not know if I want to continue playing the system. I'm in a dilemma.
The positive side is that after 2 months of playing, if I was to loose a 5 step progression today, I would still be well above 4,000 units profit. This is not to be neglected.
The negative side is that even though I still think it's rare to see a loss, we now have the proof that it can hit you anytime.
Should I continue playing this not so invincible system, or should I pursue my quest for the holy grail? I'll make my decision soon...

2) Cristal2000, thank you so much for creating this software for our community! It's fantastic, you're the best...

3) Ching-A-ling, so nice to see you here. I used to follow carefully your thread back in the years on other forums (where I was not a member). This forum is the first one I ever subscribed to, because I found at that it is the one with the most useful and behaved members. You never run into idiots like Houston over here. Just people who want to win and want to help. And smart people too...
I used your strategy for a while with a lot of success. I stopped it because I am a very very greedy i.d.i.o.t, and I don't think I will ever change. But not everyone is like me here. And If I may suggest so, I think you should really open a new thread and share your strategy (up to date) with everyone here. A lot of people will be interested and will have a lot to give back...

Until then.

Cheers,
Steven

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 01:35 PM 2014
Thanks, Buff.

Now, no sooner had I typed what I did that this appeared on my other computer.  Four zeros.  I was dummy-betting during all four.  I won on the #25.  Now, how could they pass up an opportunity to send another zero to kill me?

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 16, 02:46 PM 2014
Guys, one more thing I've been meaning to say. It seems all very easy for you to post rapidly when something goes wrong or when you have questions about something you do not understand. That's fine and we try to get back to you within minutes always. But I think it will be much appreciated by everyone if you also shared the positive results you've been having with the system.
Most of you have been testing for over a week and we not a lot have shared their results. I've received a few PM from people thanking me for the system and telling me about their positive results. Some have already doubled or tripled their bankrolls with real money since I revealed the system last week. Many of them tell me that they win on the 1st and 2nd steps and some haven't even reached the 3rd step yet.

I think all this can be encouraging, and educating as well. I think that everyone who's been testing wether with good results or not, should share their experience.

How many units won since the beginning of testing?
How many won before the 3rd step?
How many reached the 5th step, if ever?
How many lost a full prog?
The value of the units use (to see if casino's somehow make you risk more when the value is bigger)
Which casino is used, with what results?!
What is the style of play used (i.e. Hit and run, several sessions of X units per day, continuous play)...

Honestly, I did not need to share my system with any of you to know it gave results. The reason why I did it is so that we can be more people to test it simultaneously with different styles. Number is power. If you do not share results, we will have difficulties understanding what way to play may be the best..

Don't you agree? Learn how to give back...>!

Cheers

P.S. and for you, those 60+ people that I see consulting and downloading the system everyday but that don't even take the time to et involved, you're a disgrace.....   >:( >:( >:( :-X >:D

Steven
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Colbster on Feb 16, 03:19 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 16, 02:46 PM 2014

P.S. and for you, those 60+ people that I see consulting and downloading the system everyday but that don't even take the time to et involved, you're a disgrace.....   >:( >:( >:( :-X >:D


I think this is a little presumptuous.  When you were consulting the various matrix ideas that spawned your method, you were not actively contributing.  We know this because of your small post count and just looking back at the discussions back at the time.  Atlantis and John Legend and others did not suggest you were a disgrace just because you were "consulting and downloading the system".  Now, some time later, you have taken what they started and brought it to another level.  There is no reason for you to expect that some of the ones you are calling out will not do the same and eventually build on your work to make something even better for the forum.  We all have different styles of participation here and I think that, regardless of how invincible this method proves to be, you should treat your fellows with respect.  That is what makes this forum far-and-away better than the rest out there.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 16, 03:23 PM 2014
Colbster

Ditto

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 16, 03:30 PM 2014
Quote from: Colbster on Feb 16, 03:19 PM 2014
I think this is a little presumptuous.  When you were consulting the various matrix ideas that spawned your method, you were not actively contributing.  We know this because of your small post count and just looking back at the discussions back at the time.  Atlantis and John Legend and others did not suggest you were a disgrace just because you were "consulting and downloading the system".  Now, some time later, you have taken what they started and brought it to another level.  There is no reason for you to expect that some of the ones you are calling out will not do the same and eventually build on your work to make something even better for the forum.  We all have different styles of participation here and I think that, regardless of how invincible this method proves to be, you should treat your fellows with respect.  That is what makes this forum far-and-away better than the rest out there.

I agree with colbster here. And when we give something, dont expect nonthing in return from anyone. Things will come, good people will see and will contribute if they want and can. Just trust that it will happen, in due time, and move forward.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 16, 05:17 PM 2014
Will you look at this! Someone finally diecided to show up.
Colbster, did you think for a second before you posted ? It doesn't look like it. You found time to see how much I posted, but did you even check when I joined the forum? One week before I revealed the system. Why? Because that's very little after I found out about this forum and discovered  the matrix systems. JL and atlantis could not have complained about me at the time they were revealing their systems because I didn't exist here yet.
I discovered all this very recently and the first thing I did was to register I give back to the community all that I had just learned in the form of the invincible system. I did not post in the other threads because when I discovered them they were a few years old an inactive so I opted for a fresh new start.

So don't tell me I was  ungrateful. You are. And next time you accuse me of something please think twice before because that was ridiculous.
And there is a reason why people should give back. Because I asked them. My condition for posting the system was that others contribute. I don't think it's much to ask for people to drop a not and say if the system works for them or not. Just that and nothing more. But for some reasons only that people for who it doesn't work take the time to say. That's why I'm pissed....

Quote from: Colbster on Feb 16, 03:19 PM 2014
I think this is a little presumptuous.  When you were consulting the various matrix ideas that spawned your method, you were not actively contributing.  We know this because of your small post count and just looking back at the discussions back at the time.  Atlantis and John Legend and others did not suggest you were a disgrace just because you were "consulting and downloading the system".  Now, some time later, you have taken what they started and brought it to another level.  There is no reason for you to expect that some of the ones you are calling out will not do the same and eventually build on your work to make something even better for the forum.  We all have different styles of participation here and I think that, regardless of how invincible this method proves to be, you should treat your fellows with respect.  That is what makes this forum far-and-away better than the rest out there.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ching-A-Ling on Feb 16, 05:22 PM 2014
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 12:56 PM 2014
   I protest that online casino programs are "corrupt" and interact with
   a bettors bets,

And you have total and complete proof that ALL casinos are rigged?  Could we see this proof?

And please don't use the old saw, "Well, just go ahead an play your on-line casinos and you'll find out." 

Again, where is your proof?  By the way, what the H does "I protest" mean?  Do you caution?  Warn?  Admonish?  You could throw an elephant through that loophole!

TwoCat

   It appears I have hit the nerve of a "Hot Cat of a Tin Roof"! I'm new to this forum so I'll try to be a little polite, but it's sometimes hard when confronted in this manner.
   This isn't the first time I've been approahed with such hostility when I
have spoken out about online casinos. On both occassions they were from
online casino program "affiliates" who work gambling forums and sites.
Naturally they never openly admitted their direct ties to the online casino industry, they would post constantly in forums always with some silly martingale progressions and how they win big at this online casino or
another. They always seem to have a special link with a super bonus if anyone wanted to try out his "Awesome" system at this online casino
and how great and fast they paid him everytime he won. Being in the
"know" of certain aspects of the online casino industry, some of these
affiliates make as much as $25,000 to $50,000 a MONTH, yes a month!
I'm talking serious money in a few special cases.
     You want proof, do your own research and learn how online casinos
are licensed and in some cases regulated. Do you think any online casino
in the world submits their "programing" to anyone!!! It's obvious your
a cat with a big meow, if you would have presented yourself in a more
civil manner I would have gladly shared some enlightment. I don't know
what ties if any you have to the online casino industry, but from the
hostility in your post, it's clear you have some direct purpose. If you are
a affiliate your garbage as far as I'm concerned anyway and if your
just another degenerate gambler it doesn't matter where you lose your
money. So all the rest of the good people of this forum, please do your
own research and learn first hand all you can about online casinos and
how they are operated. It's your money, they can take your money in
less than 5 seconds, but find out the average time and hastle it takes
to get your winnings. Some online casinos are run by RNG's linked to
very sophisticated programs, even your online casino live feeds aren't
really what they appear to me. B.T. Barum had one of the greatest lines,
"A sucker is born every minute."

   Well what I thought was going to be a great forum appears that
   maybe it's best just to stick to reading some of the more intelligent
   posts and refrain from posting. Shame I do so much enjoy jumping
   in once in awhile. Enough said, all thoses that know me, know I'm
   always the first to help if I can and I'm not selling anything or
   promoting anything! But it's very clear, Hot Cat has another agenda!

                                                 Good Luck, Louie/ Ching-A-Ling
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Feb 16, 05:28 PM 2014
Vladir I don't remember you disagreeing with me when I used to say that people were ungrateful. Perhaps that's because at that point you needed my help and my system and today you won't. You and the rest make me regret I ever shared it because I knew how all that was going to end.

Thank goodness for me, All the thread I read before posting didn't only inspired me for the system l b for something  else very important. If you go back to the double street 6x6 system by Hermes (which was very good although people were ungrateful to him to) Hermes inspired me doing something genius. He knew how you were and decided to give you his system but not all of it, so that the ungrateful ones would still have to work hard and could not just take/steal something they didn't deserve. What he did is that he kept a key element to his system secret.
Unfortunately for you, and choose to believe me of not, this is what i did. I kept away from you all the invincible magic ingredient from this system.
It has to do with pattern selection and trust me you can think all your life you won't find out, just like you would have never invented yourself my system.
From the example that amiwrong has given it is clearly obvious that this ingredient is what made the difference. And it is the reason why he occurred a loss on the first day and why i didn't after one month of hours of continuous play!

Do you want to guess the worst news now? You will NEVER know what it is. NEVER!
Because I warned you and you continued anyway. You will never know because this is the very last time I lost in thread.

I do not need you to make this system work. I needed you to help find its flaws and overcome the table limit issue. You were happy to get the system for free but asking you to share your results with me was too much to ask.

You ruined your chance to know how it works.

Cheers


Quote from: vladir on Feb 16, 03:30 PM 2014
I agree with colbster here. And when we give something, don't expect nonthing in return from anyone. Things will come, good people will see and will contribute if they want and can. Just trust that it will happen, in due time, and move forward.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Azim on Feb 16, 05:32 PM 2014
Quote from: vladir on Feb 14, 06:29 AM 2014
Hello again,

I attach here an excel file I created that we can use for the "dynamic file" idea. It's quite simple actually and not that much work, if you play online. The file still needs to be populated, I haven't done that yet.

Two columns are in the file, "Initial Sequence" and "Betting Sequence". The Inicital Sequence are all the possible sequences of 6.  The Betting Sequence is the corresponding betting we will make (and also what we will update after playing). It's very easy to search, just use the filter in the Initial Sequence Column to search for the sequence you are currently playing.

For example, say we have 1a1a1a . I search for 1a1a1a in the Inicital Sequence column and I see "2a1c3". This is the 5 number sequence we will play in the next spins. After the 5 actual spins, we update the entry for this Inicital Sequence specifc pattern that originated our play. Lets say we actually got 2b2c1. We replace 2a1c3 for 2b2c1 .

I hope this serves as a base for further developments and to clarify some misconceptions from my previous explanation of what a dynamic file is.


Cheers


For those that want to use this system/method dynamically.

Here is another way to beat the online Randomness.

Download about 10,000 number's from random org, prior to playing. Populate your spreadsheet.
This way there is less chance of being tracked, not that I am saying online casino's are rigged.  But that will resolve a lot of issues in your mind.  You can't be that unlucky by waiting 7 spin matches and playing 5.  YOU REALLY REALLY HAVE TO BE UNLUCKY NOT TO HIT.

Forget playing with static data. Change your data prior to playing. IT WILL BE COMPLETE RANDOM.

I am not sure, if Crystal is up to it or not.  He can modify his program to allow a file to be loaded and create a dynamic look up file.

I would have done it but don't want to step on Crystals foot considering he has already started with it.

If Crystal says no. I can get something out by next Sunday.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Azim on Feb 16, 05:40 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 16, 05:17 PM 2014
Will you look at this! Someone finally diecided to show up.
Colbster, did you think for a second before you posted ? It doesn't look like it. You found time to see how much I posted, but did you even check when I joined the forum? One week before I revealed the system. Why? Because that's very little after I found out about this forum and discovered  the matrix systems. JL and atlantis could not have complained about me at the time they were revealing their systems because I didn't exist here yet.
I discovered all this very recently and the first thing I did was to register I give back to the community all that I had just learned in the form of the invincible system. I did not post in the other threads because when I discovered them they were a few years old an inactive so I opted for a fresh new start.

So don't tell me I was  ungrateful. You are. And next time you accuse me of something please think twice before because that was ridiculous.
And there is a reason why people should give back. Because I asked them. My condition for posting the system was that others contribute. I don't think it's much to ask for people to drop a not and say if the system works for them or not. Just that and nothing more. But for some reasons only that people for who it doesn't work take the time to say. That's why I'm pissed....


Steven,

Relax.  It's up to an individual to do whatever they want.  YOU CAN'T CALL PEOPLE UNGRATEFUL.

Everyone here, will agree to what I have to say:
BY THE WAY: NOT BLAMING ANYONE.  WHEN I JOINED THIS FORUM PEOPLE DID THINK I WAS OUT TO SCAM THEM. THEY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO THINK THAT WAY. DOES THAT MEAN I STOP AND DON'T CONTRIBUTE.

YOU OR ANYONE WILL NEVER WIN LONG TERM IN ROULETTE UNLESS YOU PLAY 4-5 SYSTEMS IN ONE SITTING. THAT'S NOT HUMANLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT HELP.

SO DON'T START SAYING PEOPLE READING THIS THREAD AND ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: holymoly on Feb 16, 06:13 PM 2014
What the deal with the caps?

You dont have to shout,we can all SEE, just fine. :smile:

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 06:35 PM 2014
No proof, huh?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 16, 06:35 PM 2014
Sam

Don't POP a vein ... ;)

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Azim on Feb 16, 06:38 PM 2014
Quote from: holymoly on Feb 16, 06:13 PM 2014
What the deal with the caps?

You don't have to shout,we can all SEE, just fine. :smile:

Just trying to get your attention!!!! :wink:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 06:40 PM 2014
Buff

I once worked for a finance company.  A butcher came in for a loan.  The manager would not loan him money and said, "all butchers are drunks."  I took him to task for that statement and soon quit my job there.

I simply detest painting anything or anyone with the same brush. 

But thanks for your concern.  My veins are fine, thank you!!

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Feb 16, 07:07 PM 2014
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 16, 05:28 PM 2014
Vladir I don't remember you disagreeing with me when I used to say that people were ungrateful. Perhaps that's because at that point you needed my help and my system and today you won't. You and the rest make me regret I ever shared it because I knew how all that was going to end.

Thank goodness for me, All the thread I read before posting didn't only inspired me for the system l b for something  else very important. If you go back to the double street 6x6 system by Hermes (which was very good although people were ungrateful to him to) Hermes inspired me doing something genius. He knew how you were and decided to give you his system but not all of it, so that the ungrateful ones would still have to work hard and could not just take/steal something they didn't deserve. What he did is that he kept a key element to his system secret.
Unfortunately for you, and choose to believe me of not, this is what i did. I kept away from you all the invincible magic ingredient from this system.
It has to do with pattern selection and trust me you can think all your life you won't find out, just like you would have never invented yourself my system.
From the example that amiwrong has given it is clearly obvious that this ingredient is what made the difference. And it is the reason why he occurred a loss on the first day and why i didn't after one month of hours of continuous play!

Do you want to guess the worst news now? You will NEVER know what it is. NEVER!
Because I warned you and you continued anyway. You will never know because this is the very last time I lost in thread.

I do not need you to make this system work. I needed you to help find its flaws and overcome the table limit issue. You were happy to get the system for free but asking you to share your results with me was too much to ask.

You ruined your chance to know how it works.

Cheers

It seems you took what I said as a personal ofense... That's very unfortunate, but if that's the only thing you understood from what I told you, I can't change that.

All you said thereafter seems to come from a place of anger and regret, full of falacies and false conclusions... I'm really sorry for that, but I don't believe it's my fault you feel that way...

QuoteVladir I don't remember you disagreeing with me when I used to say that people were ungrateful.
No, but I was the first to congratulate you for doing it inspite of ungratefull people. Not because of the system, but because you acted correctly.  I usually focus on the positive, not the negative... my personal choice, wich must not be confused as not disagreeing with you when you say that people were ungrateful.


QuotePerhaps that's because at that point you needed my help and my system and today you won't.

I'm sorry once again by not agreeing with you, but I didn't needed your help... I didn't asked you for help and I'm not needy in any way whatsoever. I was at most curious wich is a completly different story. And I told you what I knew about PP withouth expecting anything.

QuoteYou and the rest make me regret I ever shared it because I knew how all that was going to end.
Unfortunatly, the perspective you are adopting will make of it a self-fullfilling prophecy ...

QuoteUnfortunately for you, and choose to believe me of not, this is what i did. I kept away from you all the invincible magic ingredient from this system.
Well... believe it or not, I probably believe you. There is at least one way to improve this I think.

QuoteDo you want to guess the worst news now? You will NEVER know what it is. NEVER!
I don't understand how this is worst news.  There are lot's of things I don't know. That's fine by me. And worse then what exactly?

QuoteYou were happy to get the system for free but asking you to share your results with me was too much to ask.
Where did I said such thing, or did I even imply that I would not share my results?  I'm not playing your exact system anyomre, I'm playing it differently now. I shared part of it(system, not results) here already, it has to do with keeping a dynamic record and not a static file.


QuoteYou ruined your chance to know how it works.
Once again, that's fine by me. There are other ways to play.


Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 07:52 PM 2014
You ruined your chance to know how it works.

I thought "how it works" had been posted and is in stone.  Am I wrong?  Is/was there more to come?

Dang!

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foogus on Feb 16, 09:18 PM 2014
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 07:52 PM 2014
You ruined your chance to know how it works.

I thought "how it works" had been posted and is in stone.  Am I wrong?  Is/was there more to come?

Dang!

Sam

We will never know Sam...... :'(

Just so steven1212 or anyone else is aware, I have not been using this method/system at all, but have been following this thread with interest for the last couple of days.  So thanks steven1212 for sharing the "part" that you have, it looks interesting at least.

Unfortunately I am not surprised at the way it has arrived at this point, this often happens in forums when the originator of a thread gets unhappy with non contributors and non believers.

Good luck steven1212.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 16, 10:08 PM 2014
I think some calm needs to settle on things here.  My main thought is would things on this thread be taking the direction they have if Amiwrong had not experienced & posted his negative plays with Will. Hill casino & so showing how any play method can is vunerable to a random event ?

In this case something exceeding 1 chance in 1.5 milliion. It's highly likely they would not have changed direction & so INVINCIBLE would have sailed along with improvements in data matching started by Cristal 2000 emerging.

The basic concept of Invincible is ok & some worthwhile improvements have been put forward. Things like dynamic updating of the data code bank (Steven has already said that anyone can have their own codes of numbers but he is happy with his set & has/is doing ok with it), enhancing the options with the data code reader & increasing the pool of numbers in the data code bank.

Using Amiwrong's session as an example (remember it hit 13 straight losses off the WH marquee board)) the coder could be used to ID a string of losses. So say the bets had a stop loss at L3 then when it ID'd a "WIN"(nil match) then betting can resume.

Another thought from a MM/BR slant is that your BR pool should be able to endure a rare negative betting event loss?

Throwing mud & daggers here is a road to nowhere.

As to Ching-A-Lings view about on line casinos. With live dealer plays I don't see much difference in results between B & M chip plays & on line plays. I've been playing both for a few years now. Either way they're still tough to beat.

It's human nature to say any game is cheating when you lose but it's funny you never hear it said " I've just won heaps but these F'n places are scamming ripoff cheats".
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Amiwrong on Feb 17, 01:12 AM 2014
Hello, friends.

I can not stop thinking about the idea of all this as it seems to give a different view on the dozens/columns sequences. It’s all clear when we take in consideration just dozens or just columns as they hit. But mixed line confuses mind that’s for sure. But, in fact, is there any odds difference between 1123112232213 and 1b2c3c1c1c2a3? After some thinking about it - I suppose - no. Just much more mind squeezing. It seems that 1st more likely to happen but actually the odds are the same. 

Let’s count a bit. If the randomness hits exactly 13 thirds of the table that we predetermined then it hits the odds of 3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3= 1 to 1594323. And that’s really bad luck. But it also means that we started betting that it won’t happen right from the first spin. If we start to bet after 8th spin then the odds for random to hit us is 3*3*3*3*3= 1 to 243. And actually there is no difference what were the numbers before we started betting as if ANY numbers had hit as trigger, we would have started betting after it anyway. “For different 5 dozens/columns depending on the trigger” - we think? Yes. But any combination we bet is one of those 243 chances. And what is the reason for random to avoid exactly that one that is written in our sheet after the happened trigger? If we would play random vs random? It seems that it is harder for random to shoot moving target. But is it?  Why is it? Just don’t get it. It would be great if someone could explain me.

And can you please think a little about my idea? What if we take as a trigger not 6 numbers, but 3? And marking them not as, for example, [1 â€" 3 â€" 36]  1c3, but as 1a1c3c? And then we look at next 5 thirds in the sheet line. What we should bet? We can test it classically against dozens/columns at first. But I don’t believe it would make any difference. There should be some tweak that can occur to your head, not mine yet. Just think about it a bit when you have some spare minute, maybe something will spark.

Thank you for your attention,

With great respect,

Philipp
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: superman on Feb 17, 05:24 AM 2014
LOL, another 20+ pages of crap.

@ Sam, I only try to help or warn, in this case warn, other members, you see you all swarmed around this "unknown" bloke and look where it's got you, nowhere at all, we see this atleast once a year.

He knew it would die a mechanical death and already had his contingency plan in place, find issues with SOME members then chuck more crap around, blaming the neysayers/non believers to upset the mugs who are onboard. 20+ pages can be summed up in a few lines of text.

Step 1 Create a teaser post
Hi everyone I have a method to make you all rich, drivel drivel, if you are very very nice to me I will post it soon, I don't have time now to post but I have all the time in the world to post other drivel to keep you excited and engaged.

Step 2
Resist posting for a few days to judge interest, check PM's often because some chumps WILL want to be my friend.
Step 2 (a) if not enough interest, make some more excited posts, drum up some more interest and keep them waiting a bit more
Step 2 (b) if it looks like they are doubting, ask where I should post it, just to stoke the excitement again.

Step 3
Post it and see what happens, the "desperate fools" will attack any neysayers/negative posts etc
Step 3 (a) get them all to test it for me, I may even get a FREE coder to make trackers/tools all for free
Step 3 (b) WHEN it fails for someone, because it sure will, defend it a bit, see what others say, or go away for a few days until they have morphed it for me, check in from time to time to see how the fight is going.
Step 3 (c) tell the fools of all the PM's I get telling me of great success with my INVINCIBLE BS, this will add doubt to the mix, they should doubt their grasp on the system

Step 4
If they seem slightly disspondent, tell them they are ungratefull and to test them I only gave them some ingredients, and to really pi$$ them off tell them they will never get the CRITICAL part.

You are here now!!!!!! what comes next.

Step 5
Wait and sum up how much love I am getting from these fools, time will tell.

In the past I have been approached by people like this, they have this super duper system and if I bot it for FREE for them, we can start selling the bot, if I think hard enough I could see how EASILY it would sell, fools and their money are easily seperated, but I cannot do it to fellow humans. So I get the method in print, read it and only 10% of the time do I bother to code and test it, 90% of the time I reply straight away telling them to move on its rubbish. The sad thing is a few times I have been asked to overlook the downside (it losses) and think of the money made from selling it ONLY.

So to answer the question of why I dont contribute anything anymore, there is nothing to contribute, for years I coded/tested/reported all of it was bad news so I am letting the other coders play now, I made plenty of money from coding, Steph & Normy etc can have their time in the light now, they'll tire of it at some point then the wanters of freebies will find another coder to spend hours with rubbish.

It's like the weather, cyclic
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Feb 17, 05:38 AM 2014
@Superman
Amen
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Feb 17, 07:08 AM 2014
Thanks superman, amiwrong for your contributions...
I do not think this is invincible either for the reasons given.

Is it just me or has steven1212 over-reacted a bit to some of the comments...?

Do I think that there is some missing ingredient that is now to be withheld from us? Well.... NO, I don't. My opinion is that this is sour grapes coming from Steven because of some of the replies... but if there really was a "missing" pattern condition then I am slightly miffed and take exception with steven1212 for not been straight with us and for hoodwinking us into believing that he had revealed to us the full and true system as he promised to do so. All that after some rather tedious waiting and "bigging up" his offering too.
It's slightly annoying that we have been expected to test and report back on something which he obviously KNEW was not the real deal and therefore the results of our tests would have surely been invalid anyway. Now he tells us that for whatever his own personal reasons and feelings, he has kept back and not revealed the very KEY fact upon which hangs the the entire credence of the "invincibility" premise/tag! Something which we are never to learn in the future, either!

He must have known that it would not be long before it would lose and the doubts would start to surface. Like all the other code 4 derivatives (including my own I may add) it seems to me that this is just another valiant but perhaps flawed attempt to thwart and master random; albeit in a slightly different and original way.

When it comes right down to it what do we have here? Surely it all boils down to pinning your hopes on a 5 step marti with a rising progression that could prove costly?

I see Steven1212 is still with us and moved onto another topic about winning on betfair rng. Why he need do this if he already has the invincible code PLUS the key winning ingredient that he holds back for himself??

The weather is surely cyclic.

A. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: SamNL on Feb 17, 08:32 AM 2014
I've been playing Code Invincible but I do play it in another way than Steven.
After vladir came up with the dynamic spins sheet I thought of something else.
It's been going well for me so far and I've doubled my bankroll. BUT, I know very well that this will lose at some point. I'm very aware of that.
I may post my idea over at Notepad if any of u are interested in my idea.

Just let me know.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Roughy on Feb 17, 08:36 AM 2014
Quote from: Turner on Feb 17, 05:38 AM 2014
@Superman
Amen

And an amen from me too. I thought this had the aroma of rodent from the first post, for many of the reasons Superman posted.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 17, 01:36 PM 2014
Quote from: Amiwrong on Feb 17, 01:12 AM 2014
And can you please think a little about my idea? What if we take as a trigger not 6 numbers, but 3? And marking them not as, for example, [1 â€" 3 â€" 36]  1c3, but as 1a1c3c?

Good idea. I've been trying to make and test all kind of variance of this system, but it takes extremely long time to test. Firstly because I don't like to use the pdf database provided, I always make a fresh one, and only check for patterns that happened in that particular session. So I start with a lot of free spins, then coding all the numbers, before I start looking for triggers. After about 150 numbers, I usually start to find more and more 6 number triggers.
One variant I tried, is using 6 double streets, instead of 3 dozens. It worked, but the first bet has to be 5 units, and I don't like that. I also tried to translate the system into EC bets, because a martingale would be much more bankroll friendly. I used h/l o/e b/r. This didn't really worked, I had too many repeating patterns over 10 spins in a very small database. At the moment I'm testing something which is almost like the original, but I added one EC to it. In this example odd/even, so the code looks like this: 2co3be3ao etc.
Basically what I'm trying to do is, make the required bets smaller, and so the chance of repeating patterns.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KoolKat on Feb 17, 02:39 PM 2014
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 07:52 PM 2014
You ruined your chance to know how it works.

I thought "how it works" had been posted and is in stone.  Am I wrong?  Is/was there more to come?

Dang!

Sam

2CatSam everyone is entitled to their option, however I have sent the below message to Steve1212
“I have spent all weekend testing this system on excel manually to find when I read all the posts from the weekend , today not all the system was exposed. Well Steven1212 you want thanks WELL HERE IS THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME!!!”
Koolkat
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 17, 05:44 PM 2014
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 31, 03:47 PM 2014
Steven

I cannot answer your question, but I would love to see your idea in print.  I could use it at BV where they have a large spread, also.

Sam

Superman

This was the first post on this thread after Steven's.  I frankly don't care what you or anyone else thinks:  If someone has something to show, I want to see it.  Otherwise, why have forums?

I then quoted Neil Diamond.  Do you know the song?  BROTHERLOVE'S TRAVELIN' SALVATION SHOW  In my opinion Neil was poking fun at dollar-bill preachers who traveled with tents just like the circus.  What I was saying was when the tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife, he'd be back.  I was comparing this guy to Brotherlove.  Don't you see I knew all along??

STILL....if the man has something to say, I want to hear it.

All this fellow was promoting was a warmed-over version of John Legend.  What he is promoting will never work!!

STILL..if he comes back and speaks, I want to hear him.

Can ya dig it??

No hard feelings............

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 17, 07:50 PM 2014
KoolKat - What more can be exposed ? It's only twin 2 : 1 betting. We have the progressions, we have the data pools, we have the triggers, we have the bet method, we can place the bets.

We wait for the spin outcome & either collect the win or move up to the next bet level & repeat the process.

Did you waste your time because your testing results were rather negative ? People don't usually complain when they're on a winner.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foogus on Feb 17, 09:23 PM 2014
foogus, dennisbelle, aafm69, themis, SamNL, steven1212, Azim, Normy2000, Ching-A-Ling (+ 1 Hidden) and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

Interesting that steven1212 is constantly viewing this topic.  Are you having a good time? :smile:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KoolKat on Feb 18, 12:14 AM 2014
Quote from: ausguy on Feb 17, 07:50 PM 2014
KoolKat - What more can be exposed ? It's only twin 2 : 1 betting. We have the progressions, we have the data pools, we have the triggers, we have the bet method, we can place the bets.

We wait for the spin outcome & either collect the win or move up to the next bet level & repeat the process.

Did you waste your time because your testing results were rather negative ? People don't usually complain when they're on a winner.

Ausguy in reply #299 or am I missing something!! Koolkat
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 18, 03:39 AM 2014
KoolKat - After 288 posts then Stevo posts that @ # 299.. Surely it's a "I'm taking my bat & ball(b&b) & going home" reaction to some earlier flack ?

To answer your question KK I think you are missing something. That something is a vacuum of nothingness. As all has been revealed well before post # 299. Also look at some recent posts about all this, the Atlantis post at 2 : 08 am today is a good example.

After getting home with his b&b Stevo then returns to CC 2 days ago & opens up a new thread (which I'm sure you've seen ?) ONLINE GAMING/HOW TO BEAT THE EXCHANGE ROULETTE ON BETFAIR.

When questioned about France & Belgium being on the banned countries list on his new thread he makes a vague reference that his "Columbian wife can help him out" ? Columbia's a long way from France & an extreme approach to suggest a move there to play a yet to be proven money spinner winner ?

One major thing that is common with Steven on both the Invincible & Betfair threads is his problem of living in banned countries (France or Belgium) & the need to play at either Paddy Power or BetFair has never been resolved ? Remember him looking for solutions like using someone on the Forum in a Valid country to base his a/c from ? If you look at earlier INVINCIBLE posts Stevo mentions some problems he was having using a friends account (his friend was non too happy with it).

Transpose that to yourself for a few moments & answer this, what would you say to a friend if he asked to use your account & card to play casino games or wanted you to open up an extra card account for him to use ? Would you say "sure my fine friend anything to help out, here's my card" or "sure my fine friend let's get down to the bank straight away" ? (as well why not offer him the wife for a few days, after all that's what good friends do ?).

As it currently stands it appears Steven is not playing much at all ? If you're not playing much then you're potentially not winning too much ? On line casino accounts need residential stability as you have to prove that by linking your ID & bank a/c to where you live. Nobody can do that if they flit from country to country. Besides moving with the wife is expensive as he not so long ago moved from Columbia to France (Columbia is his listed country in his join up details).

The INVINCIBLE system could be improved with an expanded data base & dynamic updating, an expanded function user friendly coder & playing a match up to find only one match, then non by tracking the next numbers then betting from there. It's all been covered in earlier posts but a lot's been missed by the large volume of posts.

I stand by what I said in my earlier post of 7 : 14 am today.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foogus on Feb 18, 05:10 AM 2014
Quote from: KoolKat on Feb 18, 12:14 AM 2014
Ausguy in reply #299 or am I missing something!! Koolkat

Personally I doubt you missed anything KoolKat, the whole system/method has been exposed, disregard post #299 and add this system to the list of systems that work most of the time, but have failures sometimes.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 18, 06:47 AM 2014
Koolkat-I totally agree with what's being said by Ausguy, Atlantis and other members.

Furthermore, I would like to add that although they are not called invincible method as such
there are several great methods which I use constantly on the forum which has enabled me
to significantly increase my br for several months. Thanks to the authors of these methods
for sharing them. If u look cafefully in the forum u will undoubtedly know which ones I'm
referring to; it is a must to know them for any serious gambler to know these methods.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 18, 07:29 AM 2014
Gents, remember father telling me about a horse system called four day. It comprised of just betting on a horse that had won and was running again within the four days, before the handicaper got hold of it. Well he first come across it in the raceform update ( ceased paper), when a fellow gambler asked for a staking plan for his four day system. Think it was john Bulls section, any way he had to supply some data so the stake plan could be offered. Well the results had him in raptures, how great this idea is and so on. Well after revelling his system it was dead in a few months.

Just like this one would be if any good.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KoolKat on Feb 18, 01:31 PM 2014
Quote from: ausguy on Feb 18, 03:39 AM 2014
KoolKat - After 288 posts then Stevo posts that @ # 299.. Surely it's a "I'm taking my bat & ball(b&b) & going home" reaction to some earlier flack ?

To answer your question KK I think you are missing something. That something is a vacuum of nothingness. As all has been revealed well before post # 299. Also look at some recent posts about all this, the Atlantis post at 2 : 08 am today is a good example.

After getting home with his b&b Stevo then returns to CC 2 days ago & opens up a new thread (which I'm sure you've seen ?) ONLINE GAMING/HOW TO BEAT THE EXCHANGE ROULETTE ON BETFAIR.

When questioned about France & Belgium being on the banned countries list on his new thread he makes a vague reference that his "Columbian wife can help him out" ? Columbia's a long way from France & an extreme approach to suggest a move there to play a yet to be proven money spinner winner ?

One major thing that is common with Steven on both the Invincible & Betfair threads is his problem of living in banned countries (France or Belgium) & the need to play at either Paddy Power or BetFair has never been resolved ? Remember him looking for solutions like using someone on the Forum in a Valid country to base his a/c from ? If you look at earlier INVINCIBLE posts Stevo mentions some problems he was having using a friends account (his friend was non too happy with it).

Transpose that to yourself for a few moments & answer this, what would you say to a friend if he asked to use your account & card to play casino games or wanted you to open up an extra card account for him to use ? Would you say "sure my fine friend anything to help out, here's my card" or "sure my fine friend let's get down to the bank straight away" ? (as well why not offer him the wife for a few days, after all that's what good friends do ?).

As it currently stands it appears Steven is not playing much at all ? If you're not playing much then you're potentially not winning too much ? On line casino accounts need residential stability as you have to prove that by linking your ID & bank a/c to where you live. Nobody can do that if they flit from country to country. Besides moving with the wife is expensive as he not so long ago moved from Columbia to France (Columbia is his listed country in his join up details).

The INVINCIBLE system could be improved with an expanded data base & dynamic updating, an expanded function user friendly coder & playing a match up to find only one match, then non by tracking the next numbers then betting from there. It's all been covered in earlier posts but a lot's been missed by the large volume of posts.

I stand by what I said in my earlier post of 7 : 14 am today.

Ok Ausguy take it easy, I am just saying the statement below gave me the hump!!

For you information I don't play that much I just like to do manual tests.
Koolkat

"Unfortunately for you, and choose to believe me of not, this is what i did. I kept away from you all the invincible magic ingredient from this system.
It has to do with pattern selection and trust me you can think all your life you won't find out, just like you would have never invented yourself my system.
From the example that amiwrong has given it is clearly obvious that this ingredient is what made the difference. And it is the reason why he occurred a loss on the first day and why i didn't after one month of hours of continuous play!

Do you want to guess the worst news now? You will NEVER know what it is. NEVER!
Because I warned you and you continued anyway. You will never know because this is the very last time I lost in thread. "

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: KoolKat on Feb 18, 01:35 PM 2014
Quote from: Chris555p on Feb 18, 06:47 AM 2014
Koolkat-I totally agree with what's being said by Ausguy, Atlantis and other members.

Furthermore, I would like to add that although they are not called invincible method as such
there are several great methods which I use constantly on the forum which has enabled me
to significantly increase my br for several months. Thanks to the authors of these methods
for sharing them. If u look cafefully in the forum u will undoubtedly know which ones I'm
referring to; it is a must to know them for any serious gambler to know these methods.

Unfortunately Chriis555 I am not as experienced as you obviously, consequently i don't undoubt elyknow!! however currently I have been working on Gut for the last two months/

koolkat
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: superman on Feb 18, 02:09 PM 2014
Quoteas well why not offer him the wife for a few days, after all that's what good friends do ?

I let my friends clean their own houses.  :twisted:

As for the rest of the thread, missing ingredients LOL even the thread starter doesn't know what they are.

Aggggg it failed, mmmm, I know, I'll tell them they pi$$ed me off and I'm taking the rest of my toys home, a kin joke this is as per normal.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Feb 18, 02:29 PM 2014
Quote from: superman on Feb 18, 02:09 PM 2014
I let my friends clean their own houses.  :twisted:

As for the rest of the thread, missing ingredients LoL even the thread starter doesn't know what they are.

Aggggg it failed, mmmm, I know, I'll tell them they pi$$ed me off and I'm taking the rest of my toys home, a kin joke this is as per normal.
He got his tracker though...bish, bash, bosh.....job done
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: shazwad on Feb 19, 10:40 AM 2014
Quote from: ati on Feb 17, 01:36 PM 2014
Good idea. I've been trying to make and test all kind of variance of this system, but it takes extremely long time to test. Firstly because I don't like to use the pdf database provided, I always make a fresh one, and only check for patterns that happened in that particular session. So I start with a lot of free spins, then coding all the numbers, before I start looking for triggers. After about 150 numbers, I usually start to find more and more 6 number triggers.
One variant I tried, is using 6 double streets, instead of 3 dozens. It worked, but the first bet has to be 5 units, and I don't like that. I also tried to translate the system into EC bets, because a martingale would be much more bankroll friendly. I used h/l o/e b/r. This didn't really worked, I had too many repeating patterns over 10 spins in a very small database. At the moment I'm testing something which is almost like the original, but I added one EC to it. In this example odd/even, so the code looks like this: 2co3be3ao etc.
Basically what I'm trying to do is, make the required bets smaller, and so the chance of repeating patterns.

Ati, I like your idea of adding an even chance into the pattern. I've been experimenting with adding 2 even chances at the beginning of the code/ pattern and 2 even chances at the end, e.g.
R B 2 c 1 b 1 a R R and then betting against this pattern forming.
This gives us a 10 spin pattern to bet against. Of course, the double dozen progression is crazy for 10 spins so I have been waiting for 5 virtual losses first, then betting against the 6th spin, betting against column b in the example above.
The only problem with this of course is the waiting for a bet!! 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Feb 19, 04:52 PM 2014
I'm still not sure whether adding EC is good or bad. You have to bet a lot less on EC, but also have 16.2% less chance to hit, if my calculations are correct.
I created a database based on Amiwrong's idea, but then there's a dilemma what to bet against, when all the numbers marked using both their dozen and column position. For example when I had 3c2b1a, I bet on 1st & 2nd dozen, then on a & c column, then 2nd & 3rd dozen. I tried the same but betting on 1st & 2nd dozen and a c columns at same time. If both hit I won 3 units, I one hit I lost 1 unit, if both missed I lost 4 units. It didn't bring good results during a short test, but I played it without a progression. A progression with that method would require too big bets, and it wouldn't be suitable for progression anyway since the amounts can be won/lost are different.
It takes a lot of time and very tiring to test every variation, but I still see the potential in this betting against a pattern idea. I don't know about others, but all my test were positive so far. Some were winning faster, some slower, also some are easier to code, some are harder.
We have to finds the safest way to play this system, since it requires big units, and the winnings in units are rather small, compared to inside bets, where it's not that hard to make 1000 units in a couple hours.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Buffster on Feb 19, 05:16 PM 2014
Not sure if it's worth mentionning, but if I don't mention it, we'll never know.

As for betting options, why don't we use a parlay and a progression together.

Bet 1 unit ... win parlay 1.5 units on second bet ...win restart.

If loss on first bet .... go into step 2 and 3 of the 3 step progression ... 3...9... ( 1,3,9 )

If loss on parlay bet..go into step 2 and 3 of the 3 step progression ... 3...9... ( 1,3,9 )

If loss after any of the 3 steps ( take loss) and restart.


Just thinking outloud.

B
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 19, 05:38 PM 2014
Try this progression (my own idea) with the original bet selection if you don't like a 5 step grand marty!

You need two wins in a row with this one! However it seems waiting for a trigger of 7 produces a lot of wins on the first attempt. So getting two successive wins should not be too difficult in 9 steps.

These are parlay bets. you invest the winnings from the first part of the bet (a) on the second part of the bet (b).

If you lose the (a) part of the bet, then you are finished for that step. Move on to the next step.

1a) bet £4.00 (2x£2.00) win £6.00 or lose £4.00.
b) bet £6.00 (2 x £3.00) win £9.00 or lose £4.00. PROFIT = £5.00 (Total loss = £4.00)

2a) bet £8.00 (2 x £4.00) win £12.00 or lose £8.00.
b) bet £12.00 (2 x £6.00) win £18.00 or lose £8.00. PROFIT = £6.00 (Total loss = £12.00)

3a) bet £16.00 (2 x £8.00) win £24.00 or lose £16.00.
b) bet £24.00 (2 x £12.00) win £36.00 or lose £16.00. PROFIT = £8.00 (Total loss = £28.00)

4a) bet £24.00 (2 x £12.00) win £36.00 or lose £24.00.
b) bet £36.00 (2 x £18.00) win £54.00 or lose £24.00. PROFIT = £2.00 (Total loss = £52.00)

5a) bet £44.00 (2 x £22.00) win £66.00 or lose £44.00.
b) bet £66.00 (2 x £33.00) win £99.00 or lose £44.00. PROFIT = £3.00 (Total loss = £96.00)

6a) bet £80.00 (2 x £40.00) win £120.00 or lose £80.00.
b) bet £120.00 (2 x £60.00) win £180.00 or lose £80.00. PROFIT = £4.00 (Total loss = £176.00)

7a) bet £144.00 (2 x £72.00) win £216.00 or lose £144.00.
b) bet £216.00 (2 x £108.00) win £324.00 or lose £144.00. PROFIT = £4.00 (Total loss = £320.00)

8a) bet £260.00 (2 x £130.00) win £390.00 or lose £260.00.
b) bet £390.00 (2 x £195.00) win £585.00 or lose £260.00. PROFIT = £5.00 (Total loss = £580.00)

9a) bet £480.00 (2 x £240.00) win £720.00 or lose £480.00.
b) bet £720.00 (2 x £360.00) win £1,080.00 or lose £480.00. PROFIT = £20.00 (Total loss = £1,060.00)

There is a big jump in the risk from 7 steps to 9 steps.

The average win on any step = £6.00.

Try this at your own risk however you would be very unlucky to bust out.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: amk on Feb 19, 06:00 PM 2014
That parlay is ugly bob. So ugly its sick ; )

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 19, 06:11 PM 2014
Quote from: amk on Feb 19, 06:00 PM 2014
That parlay is ugly bob. So ugly its sick ; )

LoL.....

I was just adding up a 9 step grand marty and it comes to 20k!

So 1k doesn't sound too bad in comparison.

Give it a test and you will be surprised at the results.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Azim on Feb 19, 06:30 PM 2014
Quote from: Buffster on Feb 19, 05:16 PM 2014
Not sure if it's worth mentionning, but if I don't mention it, we'll never know.

As for betting options, why don't we use a parlay and a progression together.

Bet 1 unit ... win parlay 1.5 units on second bet ...win restart.

If loss on first bet .... go into step 2 and 3 of the 3 step progression ... 3...9... ( 1,3,9 )

If loss on parlay bet..go into step 2 and 3 of the 3 step progression ... 3...9... ( 1,3,9 )

If loss after any of the 3 steps ( take loss) and restart.


Just thinking outloud.

B

Ching-A-Ling had a nice way to parlay on wins with 3 step.

Using less session Bankroll  and striking hard when you lucky is the way to go with this one.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 19, 07:03 PM 2014
Just a quick example of the 9 step progression as mentioned above.

I downloaded some numbers from random org and just bet a fixed 1st and 2nd dozen.

It took 73 spins to make a ton profit!

1 W
2 W (END)+5.00
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 5.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 6.
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 7.
3 L GO TO STEP 8.
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+10.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+16.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+21.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+26.00)
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+32.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+38.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+43.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+45.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+50.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+55.00)
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+61.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+67.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+73.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+79.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+84.00)
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+86.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+91.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+97.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+102.00)

It did manage to go to step 8 once which is a bit of a rarity.

Don't forget the heart pills just in case.  :D
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: amk on Feb 19, 07:12 PM 2014
Why not use a virtual trigger of no winning parlay bet after 1/2/3? betting levels or do you use one already?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 19, 07:37 PM 2014
amk

Waiting for a few virtual losses would cut out most of the wins.

There are around 40 wins in the example below and around 75% of those wins come on either the first or second step.

I just went until I hit the 200 mark!

1 W
2 W (END)+5.00
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 5.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 6.
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 7.
3 L GO TO STEP 8.
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+10.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+16.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+21.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+26.00)
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+32.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+38.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+43.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+45.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+50.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+55.00)
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+61.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+67.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+73.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+79.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+84.00)
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+86.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+91.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+97.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+102.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
2 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+104.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+109.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+111.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+116.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+124.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+129.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+134.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+139.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 5.
2 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+142.00)
1 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+148.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+154.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+159.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+164.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+169.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+175.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+180.00)
2 W
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
3 L GO TO STEP 3.
3 L GO TO STEP 4.
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+182.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+187.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+193.00)
3 L GO TO STEP 2.
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+199.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+204.00)

cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: jjfx on Feb 20, 03:13 AM 2014
From your spins, 145 I can see the hit rate is 70%?
We have 102W and 43L?

You said that the hit rate on the 1st spin is 75%, so why this method is not good? Wee just need to bet just the first spin and move on.
We are betting on odds 1,5 so in theory we are profitable with that hit rate, am I missing something?

Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 20, 05:54 AM 2014
Here is another longer game I played this morning.

No problem getting to +500.

So...

Game 1 = +204

Game 2 = +503

I am going to see how long I can go before busting out the £1,060,00 bankroll.

1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
3 L (GO TO STEP 7)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 8.
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+10.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+15.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+20.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+25.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+33.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+38.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+46.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
3 L (GO TO STEP 7)
1 W
1 W (END)+4.00 (+50.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+55.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+63.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+71.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+76.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+82.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+87.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+92.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+97.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+103.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+108.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+113.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+118.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+120.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+123.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+129.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+134.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+136.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+141.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+147.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+152.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+157.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+162.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+167.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+173.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+178.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+183.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+191.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+193.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+201.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+206.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+211.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 W
1 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+213.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
2 W (END)+3.00 (+216.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+222.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+228.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+233.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+238.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
2 W
1 W (END)+4.00 (+242.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+247.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+250.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+255.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+260.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+263.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+265.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+270.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+275.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
2 W (END)+3.00 (+278.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+283.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+288.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+296.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+301.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+306.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+312.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+318.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+323.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+328.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+334.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+340.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+345.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+350.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+355.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+358.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+360.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+365.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+371.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+377.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+382.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+390.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+392.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+397.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+399.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+404.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+409.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+414.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+419.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+424.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+429.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+434.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+436.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+441.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+446.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+451.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+456.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+461.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+466.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+471.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+477.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+485.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+491.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+493.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+498.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+503.00)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 20, 06:56 AM 2014
Another +200 in the bank!

Game 1 = +204

Game 2 = +503

Game 3 = +200

only another 159.00 to go and I can afford a bust, LoL.

Game 3 was also the first time a 5 step grand marty would have bust out as well.

2 W
1 W (END)+5.00
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+10.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+16.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+22.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+28.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+30.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+35.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+40.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+48.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+54.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+59.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+64.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+72.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+78.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+86.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+91.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+96.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
1 W
2 W (END)+4.00 (+100.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+105.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+113.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+118.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+120.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+126.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+134.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+140.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
2 W (END)+3.00 (+143.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+148.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+153.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+159.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+167.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+169.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+172.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+180.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+188.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (194.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+200.00)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 20, 07:36 AM 2014
Another +258.

Game 1 = +204

Game 2 = +503

Game 3 = +200

Game 4 = +258

Total = +1165 (100 or so more than the bankroll. So even a bust now would still leave a gain)

It just shows you need to bring money to have the potential to consistently win money. The flip side of that is you could lose a chunk of cash on your first attempt. But hey, that's gambling. Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose.

Would the 'Invincible' bet selection work better than betting a fixed 2 dozens as I have done in my tests?

Who really knows. I will test with the 7 trigger codes to find out.

1 W
2 W (END)+5.00
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+8.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+16.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+22.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+27.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
1 W
1 W (END)+4.00 (+31.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+36.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+41.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+46.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+54.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+59.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+64.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+72.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+77.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+82.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+88.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+93.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+101.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+107.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+115.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+123.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+129.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+135.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
2 W (END)+2.00 (+137.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+142.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+148.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
1 W (END)+2.00 (+150.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+155.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
2 W
2 W (END)+4.00 (+159.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+165.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+171.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+176.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+181.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+186.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+191.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
2 W
2 W (END)+4.00 (+195.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+200.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+205.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+210.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+218.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+223.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+229.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+234.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+242.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+247.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+253.00)
1 W
2 W (END) +5.00 (+258.00)

Take care guys!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vundarosa on Feb 20, 08:24 AM 2014
Quote from: ati on Feb 14, 05:45 AM 2014
Unfortunately I did not record the numbers, but it happened a couple times already. I think this database should be much bigger, because this is just from someone's 879 spins if I understand correctly. Many times I did not find a six spin pattern in the document. I also think that every new outcome should be somehow added to the document.
Let's say you have one hit for 1a2b3c and the next number in the pdf is 1. You bet on 2 and 3, and you win with a hit on dozen 2. The next time you search for the same pattern, there should be two hits in the pdf.
One interesting thing I found in the pdf, the 2c3b1b3a1b1a2 combination happened twice in this rather small sample.

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mate you're one step to seeing this for what it is.....follow up on the reasoning and you'll find yourself seating on your hands for all outcomes will have more than 1 show in search....costly way of playing....the basic truth still holds the same....marty is a dead end and failure is eminent when using it....must win 242x for each bust....

wise up champs!, we've been that road before....

vundarosa
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vundarosa on Feb 20, 08:51 AM 2014
Quote from: foogus on Feb 16, 09:18 PM 2014
We will never know Sam...... :'(

Just so steven1212 or anyone else is aware, I have not been using this method/system at all, but have been following this thread with interest for the last couple of days.  So thanks steven1212 for sharing the "part" that you have, it looks interesting at least.

Unfortunately I am not surprised at the way it has arrived at this point, this often happens in forums when the originator of a thread gets unhappy with non contributors and non believers.

Good luck steven1212.

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hehe, just today i read how far this thread has gotten to...i'm not surprised....i held myself and patiently read from page +/- 6 and could not believe my eyes....the system is childish and has been proven so many times....it’s a twist of old ones, based on wrong foundations and tons of fallacies...yes we all do it!

BUT, steven's approach is most surprising, akin of typical cult leader--> cannot be corrected, those who disagree or won't join in are wrong, bitter, ungrateful and the like...with this approach we will get no valuable contributions which would more sooner than not show how this system as a failed endeavor.

To each his own

vundarosa
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vundarosa on Feb 20, 09:08 AM 2014
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 17, 07:08 AM 2014
Thanks superman, amiwrong for your contributions...
I do not think this is invincible either for the reasons given.

Is it just me or has steven1212 over-reacted a bit to some of the comments...?

Do I think that there is some missing ingredient that is now to be withheld from us? Well.... NO, I don't. My opinion is that this is sour grapes coming from Steven because of some of the replies... but if there really was a "missing" pattern condition then I am slightly miffed and take exception with steven1212 for not been straight with us and for hoodwinking us into believing that he had revealed to us the full and true system as he promised to do so. All that after some rather tedious waiting and "bigging up" his offering too.
It's slightly annoying that we have been expected to test and report back on something which he obviously KNEW was not the real deal and therefore the results of our tests would have surely been invalid anyway. Now he tells us that for whatever his own personal reasons and feelings, he has kept back and not revealed the very KEY fact upon which hangs the the entire credence of the "invincibility" premise/tag! Something which we are never to learn in the future, either!

He must have known that it would not be long before it would lose and the doubts would start to surface. Like all the other code 4 derivatives (including my own I may add) it seems to me that this is just another valiant but perhaps flawed attempt to thwart and master random; albeit in a slightly different and original way.

When it comes right down to it what do we have here? Surely it all boils down to pinning your hopes on a 5 step marti with a rising progression that could prove costly?

I see Steven1212 is still with us and moved onto another topic about winning on betfair rng. Why he need do this if he already has the invincible code PLUS the key winning ingredient that he holds back for himself??

The weather is surely cyclic.

A.

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but A, when seasoned members as yourself join in the way you have, you validate this kind of stuff and give room for others like Steven to do it all over again ....Superman has it right, again, as many other times he has, yet some of us don't seem to learn...this way all we do is to continuously chase our own tails

vundarosa
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: jjfx on Feb 20, 09:42 AM 2014
what is the hit rate?

In GAME2 +503

356spins
246W right?

69%

really good if we think that you keep betting on odds 1.5....

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: jjfx on Feb 20, 10:01 AM 2014
Game 3
135spins
87W

64%

In which way are you using the system? example. you input 1c2b3a if there are 2 matches you bet? What if there are 4 matches?

Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 20, 10:11 AM 2014
vunderosa

There is nothing wrong with hearing a person out.  You might have to stroke his ego a tad, but I think "licking" is a bit over the top.  Anyway, I have learned a couple of things from people who had a big nothing in their bag.  Sometimes you get an idea and it's fun to chase them down.

Otherwise, we could say, "Nothing works; let's go home!!".....   Wait!  I am home!

Sam
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: superman on Feb 20, 10:28 AM 2014
QuoteSuperman has it right, again, as many other times he has, yet some of us don't seem to learn...this way all we do is to continuously chase our own tails

Good comment, it's a shame that 95% of the members are stuck in the same old same old. Over the last few years we have, well some of us, worked out that NO TRIGGER is any better than the last one, no matter where on the table we bet, $hit n run, wait for virtual wins/losses the list goes on.

The wheels on the bus go round and round ......... when they fall off, a new bus is found and off it goes again.

We know the limits of random X EC's in a row etc all from the maths, which tells us the longer we track the longer (time wise) it will take to lose it all back, just bet every spin, use smart MM make your target and end the session.

These forums are all getting polluted with MECHANICAL methods/systems, if I owned a forum it would be almost empty because I would delete 99% of threads containing

wait for this
do that & hope

I guess that's what most players want, A,B,C mechanical play. Sadly this isn't going to happen as the last spin has 4uckall to do with the next one, yes Standard Deviation plays a big part from an RNG perspective or regression to the mean, they do show something but we also know that they don't give us the full answer to a winning bet.

Pick a play and play it, work out what your wl registery looks like and take it from there.

QuoteYou might have to stroke his ego a tad, but I think "licking" is a bit over the top

Yeah Sam, I may have chosen the wrong word, but knowing what we ALL know, people like that should not be given the time of day, they're just taking the pi$$ having a laugh at your/our expense. To me a spade IS a spade and always will be.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vundarosa on Feb 20, 10:32 AM 2014
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 20, 10:11 AM 2014
vunderosa

There is nothing wrong with hearing a person out.  You might have to stroke his ego a tad, but I think "licking" is a bit over the top.  Anyway, I have learned a couple of things from people who had a big nothing in their bag.  Sometimes you get an idea and it's fun to chase them down.

Otherwise, we could say, "Nothing works; let's go home!!".....   Wait!  I am home!

Sam

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no problem with listening, but listening is not the end of it all.....you listen for a reason.....after we listen we ought to tell people when they're banging their heads against the wall....stroke the ego all you like, but not my cup of tea to let them bang their heads open when you've seen the outcome of it (empty wallets in this case)

vundarosa
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Feb 20, 12:47 PM 2014
Nice work Superman....

As the saying goes, Cream always floats to the top.....and you posted some double top there....lol

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 20, 01:24 PM 2014
Sorry jjfx, I did not see your posts earlier. I think your first 5 posts or something get pre moderated and then you get up to speed with your posts appearing instantly.

My tests are just betting a fixed 2 dozens (1st and 2nd in this instance) using the 9 step parlay progression I wrote out.

I am just showing an alternative to the 5 step grand marty.

I never really checked the percentage stats.....so I suppose 69% and 64% average out to the expected 66% betting two dozens. I will test this way using a 7 trigger code if anybody produces a tracker for it. There only seems to be a tracker for a 6 trigger code at the moment. Will it make any difference betting a 7 trigger code as opposed to any fixed two dozens? My gut says not really, but hey, you never know.  I suppose my results show you can still get good results betting any two dozens if you have a deep enough progression. Even the 5 step grand marty only failed once in the tests and must have produced a profit.

I don't know if you have read any of Mr J's posts. He was the ultimate progression player and had a lot of success. I think it all boiled down to the fact that he had the bankroll just like he always said. My tests kind of confirm it. If you want to win money, you need to bring plenty of it. This is all you can hope for playing any MM strategy.

cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ausguy on Feb 20, 02:19 PM 2014
Bob - Just did a quick test in MANUAL mode on the cristal2000 coder on this thread (page 16). I put in the 1st 7 listed in the coder line & it ID'd those numbers.

I then put the 1st 10 in & again it ID'd them. I also put in the 1st 20 & it ID'd them also. I hope this info. is of some help ?

I like your fixed dozens idea & your 9 step parlay progression. I agree 100% with your BR sentiment championed by Mr. J.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ugly bob on Feb 20, 03:07 PM 2014
Thanks for the info ausguy, I will give it a try.

Well, I did one more test for the road. +393 this time around.

It's easy just to download 500 spins from random.org and scroll down the page looking for a bust. I have not found one yet.

I think it's one of those where you could bite the bullet and try it out hoping you get a couple of bankrolls in front before busting out. Then you never play it again.

And if you are one of the unfortunate ones to bust out quick, well......you can always fall back on that old saying 'what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas'  :-X

I got the idea for the 9 step parlay after reading the star progression. A lot of people use that one on the even chances. So I thought why not figure out how to adapt it for the double dozens. A lot of guys use star regularly and claim it works for them. So covering 66% instead of 50% should be an even safer proposition.

1 W
2 W (END)+5.00
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+11.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+17.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+22.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+27.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+33.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+36.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+42.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+50.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+56.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+64.00)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+72.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+77.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+82.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+87.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
2 W
1 W (END)+4.00 (+91.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+96.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+101.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+106.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+111.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+116.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
1 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+124.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+130.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+138.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
1 W (END)+8.00 (+146.00)
2 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+151.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
2 W
2 W (END)+8.00 (+159.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
2 W (END)+6.00 (+165.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
2 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+171.00)
1 W
1 W (END)+5.00 (+176.00)
1 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+181.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
1 W
1 W (END)+6.00 (+187.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+192.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+197.00)
1 W
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
1 W
1 W (END)+3.00 (+200.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+205.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+210.00)
2 W
2 W (END)+5.00 (+215.00)
3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
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1 W (END)+8.00 (+223.00)
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2 W (END)+5.00 (+228.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
3 L (GO TO STEP 7)
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1 W (END)+4.00 (+232.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+237.00)
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2 W (END)+6.00 (+243.00)
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2 W (END)+6.00 (+249.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+259.00)
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1 W (END)+6.00 (+270.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+275.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+280.00)
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2 W (END)+6.00 (+286.00)
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2 W (END)+5.00 (+291.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+296.00)
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2 W (END)+6.00 (+302.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+307.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+312.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
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2 W (END)+5.00 (+317.00)
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2 W (END)+5.00 (+322.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
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2 W (END)+8.00 (+330.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
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1 W (END)+2.00 (+332.00)
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2 W (END)+5.00 (+337.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
3 L (GO TO STEP 6)
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2 W (END)+4.00 (+341.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+346.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
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1 W (END)+2.00 (+348.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 3)
3 L (GO TO STEP 4)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 5)
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2 W (END)+3.00 (+379.00)
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1 W (END)+5.00 (+384.00)
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3 L (GO TO STEP 2)
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2 W (END)+6.00 (+390.00)
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: seanwilliam1988 on Mar 20, 05:51 AM 2014
There are a lot of online casinos in the Internet. For me, the best one is Betcoinâ,,¢ Entertainment Network. It has a wide variety of casino games like dice, slot machines, roulette, blackjack, poker and more. The gaming system is played using bitcoin--the new form of digital currency that circulates under peer-to-peer network.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ADulay on Mar 21, 09:39 PM 2014
Quote from: seanwilliam1988 on Mar 20, 05:51 AM 2014
There are a lot of online casinos in the Internet. For me, the best one is Betcoinâ,,¢ Entertainment Network. It has a wide variety of casino games like dice, slot machines, roulette, blackjack, poker and more. The gaming system is played using bitcoin--the new form of digital currency that circulates under peer-to-peer network.

Hey Sean,

  Still pushing that Betcoin casino thing, eh?

  Are you winning there or just blasting advertising threads all over the gambling forums?

  I find it hard to believe you've still got any forums left to post on!

  AD
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Sinone on Aug 12, 09:04 AM 2014
Hi all,

Is it possible to get the Courtesy of Atlantis in 2003 MS?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 04:46 AM 2017
Whatsup Guys,

Just re read this thread 3 years later ! I Just want to tell everyone who said I was lying.... There was one last ingredient! There was one little detail I never revealed about my invincible system, ! Dont call me a liar! The only reason I never revealed the last bit of my secret is because people were ungrateful !

Anyone continued playing my invisible system, ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Lucky7Red on Sep 19, 05:04 AM 2017
Nobody playing your system because it is not working, you should grow up in this 3 years.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 05:13 AM 2017
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Sep 19, 05:04 AM 2017
Nobody playing your system because it is not working, you should grow up in this 3 years.

You are wrong three times:

1. You are wrong because: Many people in the thread have great success. If on top of this you knew my last secret, it would be invincible as i promised.

2. You are wrong because my system works. And I have made videos of me playing it for hours to study it after in order to improve it. I can prove it.

3. You are wrong when you assume i did not grow up because not only i did but in three years i have modified the system to improve it and make it even more waterproof

Conclusion: not only you are three times wrong but you are also bitter because I win and you lose. Its because of people like you that I never revealed the last element in my system. Ungrateful.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 06:20 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 19, 04:46 AM 2017
Whatsup Guys,

Just re read this thread 3 years later ! I Just want to tell everyone who said I was lying.... There was one last ingredient! There was one little detail I never revealed about my invincible system, ! Dont call me a liar! The only reason I never revealed the last bit of my secret is because people were ungrateful !

Anyone continued playing my invisible system, ?

Liar
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 06:31 AM 2017
Loser !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 07:12 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 19, 04:46 AM 2017
There was one last ingredient! There was one little detail I never revealed about my invincible system. I never revealed the last bit of my secret

Human psyche is sometimes very easy to understand

Typically if someone says what you have above, it is a lie

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 07:19 AM 2017
You are wrong. There is a last ingredient I never revealed. I warned from the begining of the thread I would keep one thing for me only. I'm not the only one who did that. I was inspired by Hermes on his 6x6 thread. There are several reasons I kept the last ingredient for me.

1. Just like hermes, I want to help and I HAVE by giving you an amazing system. But I also think of my well being and I protect my magic formula to not make it know to the casinos and brokers.

2. I give, just like hermes, good things for free, but instead of being thanked, I have to face a bunch of ungrateful idiots who don't believe in anything. The fact that all the comments today we're about calling me a liar, and no one even just tried to say "hey Steven, I really need help, and I would love to know the sevret, could you share it with me?" Proves how bitter and angry everyone is in the internet.

Start believing or you won't reach the finish line .....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 07:40 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 19, 07:19 AM 2017
You are wrong. There is a last ingredient I never revealed. I warned from the begining of the thread I would keep one thing for me only. I'm not the only one who did that. I was inspired by Hermes on his 6x6 thread. There are several reasons I kept the last ingredient for me.

1. Just like hermes, I want to help and I HAVE by giving you an amazing system. But I also think of my well being and I protect my magic formula to not make it know to the casinos and brokers.

2. I give, just like hermes, good things for free, but instead of being thanked, I have to face a bunch of ungrateful idiots who don't believe in anything. The fact that all the comments today we're about calling me a liar, and no one even just tried to say "hey Steven, I really need help, and I would love to know the sevret, could you share it with me?" Proves how bitter and angry everyone is in the internet.

Start believing or you won't reach the finish line .....

This is the internet

People don't and won't beg

If you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 07:59 AM 2017
I am not asking you to beg me. I am asking you to not insult me.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 19, 08:35 AM 2017
Welcome Back to the forum, Steven1212,

Long time! It's been ages since I looked at this one. Brought back a few memories as I re-read it just now :)

I always thought there was a final ingredient to make it invincible ;)

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 08:56 AM 2017
Here's my contention

Hope you understand

Three years have come and gone. The missing secret that you've kept should have made you wealthy by now

If that was the case, coming back to a forum to gloat and ask people to not call you a liar should be the least of your worries. This wouldn't exactly be on the top of your list.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 10:03 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 08:56 AM 2017
Here's my contention

Hope you understand

Three years have come and gone. The missing secret that you've kept should have made you wealthy by now

If that was the case, coming back to a forum to gloat and ask people to not call you a liar should be the least of your worries. This wouldn't exactly be on the top of your list.

Wrong wrong wrong ! I make money with the roulette. A good living and i also know other ways to earn on the internet.
But its lonely to play the roulette online so i came here to see what was knew. And it brought back some memories and I decided to write. It was kind of the beginning of my adventure and I came so far. Trust me if i didn't come in three years its because i was busy and didn't need it. and if im still talking about roulette its because its still my job
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 10:06 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 08:35 AM 2017
Welcome Back to the forum, Steven1212,

Long time! It's been ages since I looked at this one. Brought back a few memories as I re-read it just now :)

I always thought there was a final ingredient to make it invincible ;)

A.

Atlantis such a long time! Its nice to hear from you and know you're still around. I hope your life is amazing ! I will reveal my last ingredient to you soon but at this moment three of the letters of my keyboard are broken so its a pain to write. But sit tight !

What about GLC! Any news of him? I loved that guy !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 10:14 AM 2017
Quote from: ausguy on Feb 17, 07:50 PM 2014
KoolKat - What more can be exposed ? It's only twin 2 : 1 betting. We have the progressions, we have the data pools, we have the triggers, we have the bet method, we can place the bets.

This message from Ausguy is interesting cause it can give you a clue. He lists the ingredients of a magic formula, but he forgets one element. The most important of them all. My long kept secret !!!!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 10:45 AM 2017
To all: have fun chasing a carrot on a stick

Seen this before

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 10:53 AM 2017
And you're wrong again.... and I will prove it to you. I hope at that moment you will have enough respect for yourself to admit it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 11:01 AM 2017
I am trying out a new casino to see if its good. So far it is. Its called Bwin.
Heres a screenshot of my deposit yesterday (200 euros to test). And heres a screenshot of my balance so far today 340 euros. Two sessions yesterday, two sessions today.
Will show you what it looks like next week.

I dont know if you make money or not, if you're happy or not in life. But one thing is sure its that you need to BELIEVE. Dont throw things away so fast without taking a look. Believing is so important to have a happy life
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 19, 11:05 AM 2017
Most surely there is a *tweak* that may make this better!
Already I Just thought of applying an existing dozen trigger from another post and utilising it with the code 4 format that should make it stronger...


@Steven1212: That looks the same as one (speed roulette) I also play online.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 11:20 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 19, 10:53 AM 2017
And you're wrong again.... and I will prove it to you. I hope at that moment you will have enough respect for yourself to admit it.

When it comes to money and people being successful I will gladly say I am wrong and you are right

I don't wish ill fortune on anyone. I hope you win

But when someone comes back and says they left out a secret piece, we have all heard that before. Usually it's a lie. This is the internet why should we believe you

If it's a secret then you can't  prove it

Nonetheless I hope you win
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 11:28 AM 2017
I don't "come back and say it". I've said it since the first day. That I would keep something for me. And you should believe me because I have none the less a pretty solid roulette system that will suit any professional player.
Anyway, I will reveal the secret soon. Just need to go to the Apple store and get the right keyboard so I can type it out elsewhere than from my phone
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: wiggy on Sep 19, 11:29 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 08:56 AM 2017
Here's my contention

Hope you understand

Three years have come and gone. The missing secret that you've kept should have made you wealthy by now

If that was the case, coming back to a forum to gloat and ask people to not call you a liar should be the least of your worries. This wouldn't exactly be on the top of your list.

LoL......well said RG! Exactly what I was thinking right down to the last word.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 11:32 AM 2017
Quote from: wiggy on Sep 19, 11:29 AM 2017
LoL......well said RG! Exactly what I was thinking right down to the last word.

So sad ! I'm coMing back here to deliver everything to you on a silver platter secret included, and stubborn bitter people like you have to disgust me and discourage me everytime
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 11:34 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 19, 11:32 AM 2017
So sad ! I'm coMing back here to deliver everything to you on a silver platter secret included, and stubborn bitter people like you have to disgust me and discourage me everytime

If I had a secret that won me money on roulette consistently I'd be very happy!

I wouldn't worry about people on a forum.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 19, 11:43 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 19, 11:32 AM 2017
So sad ! I'm coMing back here to deliver everything to you on a silver platter secret included, and stubborn bitter people like you have to disgust me and discourage me everytime
OK I believe you.

Give the man space people, lets hear him speak.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 19, 11:45 AM 2017
Hey,

Let's wait and see then... :)

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 19, 12:28 PM 2017
Steven, would you please check your inbox...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 19, 01:59 PM 2017
I will step forward first to reveal and share my idea of improvement...

Track each result to form the usual "Code 4" notation.
(doz-col-doz-col)

For example:

3a2a.......etc.

At the same time also track in reverse "Code 4" notation.

(col-doz-col-doz)

For example:

b1c2.......etc.

Trigger for betting is same as for "Anti-Copycat Dozens" method.

When the last 8 results show that the results in positions 1 and 2 match exactly the results of positions 7 and 8 in the results string then bet AGAINST the results of positions 3, 4, 5 and 6 repeating!

A double doz or double col bet.

Bet against a total repeat of the last six Code 4 results occurring.

HOWEVER - you only start betting AFTER the next two results (seven and eight) are an exact MATCH of results one and two.

The method is simply betting against there being a complete duplicate of the latest six results happening again in the same order over the very next set of six results eg:

1a2a2b1a2a2b (first six results repeated exactly)

But for safety and to gain favourable odds it is necessary to WAIT for TWO repeats to occur FIRST (virtual losers) before starting to bet; up to 4 times; for a non-repeat using a double dozen/column progression.

This means waiting for the right sequence of code 4 results to form.

What you're looking for is a sequence of eight results where results seven and eight MATCH results one and two.

Like this:

1a2a2b1a = cue to start four-step bet against 2-a-2-b also repeating exactly.

Seems quite solid.

1a2a2b1a3  = win +1  STOP and wait for next trigger sequence.

The price to pay is that you have to wait for a bet opportunity - so patience required. Some will not have the patience or may think it does not warrant the waiting.

Use a rolling history of results and always check the last 8 for qualifying patterns (use both types of recording as shown above to get more bets)

It's a simple idea - but strong on hits. That is the reward for the wait.

Even so - I would be very wary of risking a standard 4-step 80 unit progression of 1-3-9-27.

If there is something Steven1212 has up his sleeve that makes C4  as invincible or even more invincible than this then it will be terrific and worth waiting for.

:)

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 02:20 PM 2017
Always enjoy Atlantis posts.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 19, 03:50 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 01:59 PM 2017
I will step forward first to reveal and share my idea of improvement...

Track each result to form the usual "Code 4" notation.
(doz-col-doz-col)

For example:

3a2a.......etc.

At the same time also track in reverse "Code 4" notation.

(col-doz-col-doz)

For example:

b1c2.......etc.

Trigger for betting is same as for "Anti-Copycat Dozens" method.

When the last 8 results show that the results in positions 1 and 2 match exactly the results of positions 7 and 8 in the results string then bet AGAINST the results of positions 3, 4, 5 and 6 repeating!

A double doz or double col bet.

Bet against a total repeat of the last six Code 4 results occurring.

HOWEVER - you only start betting AFTER the next two results (seven and eight) are an exact MATCH of results one and two.

The method is simply betting against there being a complete duplicate of the latest six results happening again in the same order over the very next set of six results eg:

1a2a2b1a2a2b (first six results repeated exactly)

But for safety and to gain favourable odds it is necessary to WAIT for TWO repeats to occur FIRST (virtual losers) before starting to bet; up to 4 times; for a non-repeat using a double dozen/column progression.

This means waiting for the right sequence of code 4 results to form.

What you're looking for is a sequence of eight results where results seven and eight MATCH results one and two.

Like this:

1a2a2b1a = cue to start four-step bet against 2-a-2-b also repeating exactly.

Seems quite solid.

1a2a2b1a3  = win +1  STOP and wait for next trigger sequence.

The price to pay is that you have to wait for a bet opportunity - so patience required. Some will not have the patience or may think it does not warrant the waiting.

Use a rolling history of results and always check the last 8 for qualifying patterns (use both types of recording as shown above to get more bets)

It's a simple idea - but strong on hits. That is the reward for the wait.

Even so - I would be very wary of risking a standard 4-step 80 unit progression of 1-3-9-27.

If there is something Steven1212 has up his sleeve that makes C4  as invincible or even more invincible than this then it will be terrific and worth waiting for.

:)

Regards,
A.

You're such a skilled roulette brainstormer.
I would love to exchange with you one to one. I'll tell you everything I know. If you want to have a chat, dm me your WhatsApp or Skype, I'll take contact with you mate.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 19, 05:31 PM 2017
It's just I spent a lot of time on the code 4 variants back then. There were a few good ideas buzzing around at that time based upon the concept; matrixes, diagonal slides, symmetry and so on. Some could be played every spin or every other spin while others required waiting for event triggers or absence of particular results etc.
I knew when you came back on after a lengthy break and re-opened this topic that you must have found or had held back a certain "something" that could make a difference in how to play it better.
Anyhow, still I'm interested in anything you might care to share about your "full" approach or the vital "missing ingredient" you talked about.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 19, 06:31 PM 2017
Quote
The method is simply betting against there being a complete duplicate of the latest six results happening again in the same order over the very next set of six results eg:
1a2a2b1a2a2b (first six results repeated exactly)

I do not know what the odds of this happening are. Quite large, I would imagine. Suppose you had a giant string of thousands of continuous code 4 results. You could make up your own pretend qualifying string and do a search for it eg:
"2b3c2a2b"
Should you ever find such a string existing (where positions 1,2 match positions 7,8) you can just look along and check the next 4 results to see if you would have won; in other words that a string of 6 did not totally repeat itself after the first 2 had matched...
I honestly do not think there could be many 4-step losers.
If you had a database of hundreds of thousands of results you could even do a search to see if ANY six repeat result (a 12 character string such as I have described) ever occurred at all!
Maybe someone could check on that? But remember you must not have spaces, line breaks or return codes in the datafile which may obstruct the search process from doing its job properly.
Possibly it can be created thru an excel program to be checked that way? I dunno.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 06:43 PM 2017
May or may not be related

I need to read the thread fully first

But there was a time I'd take the past 3 decisions "dozen column dozen" then bet against it

It did fail a few times

Doz 1
Col C
Doz 2

Now the next 3 bets bet against that
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 19, 09:04 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 19, 11:32 AM 2017
So sad ! I'm coMing back here to deliver everything to you on a silver platter secret included, and stubborn bitter people like you have to disgust me and discourage me everytime

1. Don't take it personally. The forum sees many people make claims such as yours, and none of them so far have delivered.

2. People aren't "bitter". They are rightfully skeptical.

3. If you are attacked personally, you can report such posts. We try to have a balance allowing free speech but without blatant crap.

In all if you have something to share, just share it. There will always be skeptical people. There are also always people willing to listen. But I suggest be direct in your explanations.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 20, 02:32 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 06:31 PM 2017
I do not know what the odds of this happening are. Quite large, I would imagine. Suppose you had a giant string of thousands of continuous code 4 results. You could make up your own pretend qualifying string and do a search for it eg:
"2b3c2a2b"
Should you ever find such a string existing (where positions 1,2 match positions 7,8) you can just look along and check the next 4 results to see if you would have won; in other words that a string of 6 did not totally repeat itself after the first 2 had matched...
I honestly do not think there could be many 4-step losers.
If you had a database of hundreds of thousands of results you could even do a search to see if ANY six repeat result (a 12 character string such as I have described) ever occurred at all!
Maybe someone could check on that? But remember you must not have spaces, line breaks or return codes in the datafile which may obstruct the search process from doing its job properly.
Possibly it can be created thru an excel program to be checked that way? I dunno.

A.

Just to remind you, this is how I have always played code invincible. That's how I described in my first post in this thread. I generate 100k number on random.org. I use a 8 or 9 series to select the 4 next number because 12 is too rare and it never happens ! 12 is one chance in almost 2 million !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ratwood85 on Sep 20, 04:01 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 01:59 PM 2017
I will step forward first to reveal and share my idea of improvement...

Track each result to form the usual "Code 4" notation.
(doz-col-doz-col)

For example:

3a2a.......etc.

At the same time also track in reverse "Code 4" notation.

(col-doz-col-doz)

For example:

b1c2.......etc.

Trigger for betting is same as for "Anti-Copycat Dozens" method.

When the last 8 results show that the results in positions 1 and 2 match exactly the results of positions 7 and 8 in the results string then bet AGAINST the results of positions 3, 4, 5 and 6 repeating!

A double doz or double col bet.

Bet against a total repeat of the last six Code 4 results occurring.

HOWEVER - you only start betting AFTER the next two results (seven and eight) are an exact MATCH of results one and two.

The method is simply betting against there being a complete duplicate of the latest six results happening again in the same order over the very next set of six results eg:

1a2a2b1a2a2b (first six results repeated exactly)

But for safety and to gain favourable odds it is necessary to WAIT for TWO repeats to occur FIRST (virtual losers) before starting to bet; up to 4 times; for a non-repeat using a double dozen/column progression.

This means waiting for the right sequence of code 4 results to form.

What you're looking for is a sequence of eight results where results seven and eight MATCH results one and two.

Like this:

1a2a2b1a = cue to start four-step bet against 2-a-2-b also repeating exactly.

Seems quite solid.

1a2a2b1a3  = win +1  STOP and wait for next trigger sequence.

The price to pay is that you have to wait for a bet opportunity - so patience required. Some will not have the patience or may think it does not warrant the waiting.

Use a rolling history of results and always check the last 8 for qualifying patterns (use both types of recording as shown above to get more bets)

It's a simple idea - but strong on hits. That is the reward for the wait.

Even so - I would be very wary of risking a standard 4-step 80 unit progression of 1-3-9-27.

If there is something Steven1212 has up his sleeve that makes C4  as invincible or even more invincible than this then it will be terrific and worth waiting for.

:)

Regards,
A.

been trying your system from last night and turn my BR from 52u to 179u. always hit on 9th or 10th, rare hit on 11th. but need patient waiting for trigger, i'm tracking 2tables so i can turn my BR faster than waiting trigger in 1table only.

Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Sep 20, 04:36 AM 2017
So, and what is missing then?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Sep 20, 04:51 AM 2017
Quote from: vladir on Sep 20, 04:36 AM 2017
So, and what is missing then?

It's a secret.  :xd:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 20, 04:53 AM 2017
It's not anymore. I'm about to tell you (unless one more person here decides to call me a liar before I have time to even type it out). Just waiting to buy a keyboard that works. I'm typing on phone now.

Not only that but I will also reveal you the improvements I've made in the past 3 years (bet selection + new progression)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 20, 05:10 AM 2017
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Sep 20, 04:01 AM 2017
been trying your system from last night and turn my BR from 52u to 179u. always hit on 9th or 10th, rare hit on 11th. but need patient waiting for trigger, i'm tracking 2tables so i can turn my BR faster than waiting trigger in 1table only.

Thanks ratwood85 for sharing details of your trial games resulting in a total win of +127u.
Sometimes the waits are not too bad. For instance this morning I got 4 triggers (all won) in only 35 spins - and that was just recording one way (I omitted the reverse tracking)
3w on 1st; 1w on 2nd (typical result)
2 tables? - why not? Whatever suits and makes it easier by reducing the time factor.
Can view several tables in some live online dealer roulette lobbies to see if patterns are forming...
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Tekunda on Sep 20, 06:03 AM 2017
Maybe I am a bit thick, but I don't get it how to bet against a 4*matrix - col&doz at the same time. Especially progressing, would it reach insanely high units very quickly?
Maybe one of you could be so kind as to give me one or two examples betting this matrix?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 20, 06:17 AM 2017
Mate you gotta read the thread and you'll understand. We can't do all the work for you. I can guarantee you this system is as close as you'll ever get to a holy Grail as you'll ever get. It's worth it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 20, 08:06 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 20, 05:10 AM 2017
Thanks ratwood85 for sharing details of your trial games resulting in a total win of +127u.
Sometimes the waits are not too bad. For instance this morning I got 4 triggers (all won) in only 35 spins - and that was just recording one way (I omitted the reverse tracking)
3w on 1st; 1w on 2nd (typical result)
2 tables? - why not? Whatever suits and makes it easier by reducing the time factor.
Can view several tables in some live online dealer roulette lobbies to see if patterns are forming...
A.

8)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Tekunda on Sep 20, 08:44 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 20, 06:17 AM 2017
Mate you gotta read the thread and you'll understand. We can't do all the work for you. I can guarantee you this system is as close as you'll ever get to a holy Grail as you'll ever get. It's worth it.

OK, I understand. Instead of investing your time and effort to give me a short example, you rather use the same amount of effort to give me 'life changing' advice about how not to let "other people work for me" , like in the advice section of a cheap tabloid.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 20, 09:10 AM 2017
Guys please let Steven finish,  lets all hear him out before making any jugments.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 20, 09:33 AM 2017
Who talks a lot at the table will leave it hungry. ~ German Proverb

Come to the point ??? What r u waiting ???
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Lucky7Red on Sep 20, 10:47 AM 2017
Ok, make one hour video how to play it is not rocket science.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 20, 10:56 AM 2017
Hi Lucky7red,

I understand he already does have some videos of the way he plays now - so maybe he will share them with an explanation.
I believe he has some keyboard/communication problems right now...

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Lucky7Red on Sep 20, 06:20 PM 2017
When I lost money online I have the same keyboard problem, it cost me a lot.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 20, 06:47 PM 2017
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Sep 20, 06:20 PM 2017
When I lost money online I have the same keyboard problem, it cost me a lot.

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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 20, 07:11 PM 2017
So everybody is waiting for the Gran Finale...

I'm waiting too!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 20, 07:29 PM 2017
Steven1212

Could you give us a short example how to play? Please!

I know you can't do all the work but it's a little hard to understand all the thread.

I'll appreciate it!

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: S on Sep 21, 04:01 AM 2017
Hi everyone,

It's my first time here, and to be honest with you, It is the first forum where I see a lot of smart ideas and I really appreciate how strong this community is.

I ve been playing roulette for a lot of years, not on a daily basis, but quite often. The thing is, I have used a lot of betting systems, and everywhere I was told that "you cannot ever beat the house advantage", and maybe that is true. Maybe I am just a day dreamer for the others, but I really know that the odds can be beaten. I am not a math specialist, not even close, but people like Atlantis, or Steven1212 etc. deserve our respects for  their knowledge, and for sharing these information with the rest of us.

I ve lost a lot of money, trying different schemes and systems, but with no luck. Even so, I am always opened to new things, as I know that at some point, someone will crack the code.

To conclude, we should all pay respects and interest to those who are here to deliver precious information to all of us, for free. 

This forum, this thread, it is amazing. Congratulations!! ( sorry for my English, it is not my native language)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 21, 04:04 AM 2017
As soon as ill get a new keyboard I willshowyou how to play and the last secret
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 21, 04:47 AM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 20, 07:29 PM 2017
Steven1212

Could you give us a short example how to play? Please!

I know you can't do all the work but it's a little hard to understand all the thread.

I'll appreciate it!

Thanks in advance!

Hi Andre,

Whatever bet selection Steven1212 is playing now, the way I posted in my variation is slightly different to the way he advised playing it originally in this thread. I will do my best to explain it to you.

Originally Steven advised comparing a tracked code 4 format string against a huge database of collected old results (one giant long continuous list/chain of accumulated results) and then betting against the pattern of 4 results immediately following it IN THE ACTUAL DATAFILE...

That is something quite, quite different to the "improve" that I posted yesterday.

He used a program or search facility (available in this topic) to search this datafile with the latest string of 6 decisions let's say it was:  "3b2b1a"
If one was found would indicate a bet trigger against the following 4 results stored IN THE FILE to happen let's say it was: "1a2b"

Now, initially, this seemed like an "out of the box", novel and clever thought.  But after a time some members concluded, and I think rightly, that this was just a grand illusion or fallacy. For why would betting against the "1a2b"  prove of any particular or significant advantage at all or defeat random's wily ways?

Steven wrote:
Quote
My problem, now, is that I do not know if I want to continue playing the system. I'm in a dilemma.
The positive side is that after 2 months of playing, if I was to lose a 5 step progression today, I would still be well above 4,000 units profit. This is not to be neglected.
The negative side is that even though I still think it's rare to see a loss, we now have the proof that it can hit you anytime.
Should I continue playing this not so invincible system, or should I pursue my quest for the holy grail? I'll make my decision soon...

Some will remember also that Steven wrote:
Quote
Unfortunately for you, and choose to believe me of not, this is what i did. I kept away from you all the invincible magic ingredient from this system.
It has to do with pattern selection and trust me you can think all your life you won't find out, just like you would have never invented yourself my system.
From the example that amiwrong has given it is clearly obvious that this ingredient is what made the difference. And it is the reason why he occurred a loss on the first day and why I didn't after one month of hours of continuous play!

I would rather track current live results - to me seems sensible; realistic and not based on utilising or consulting days or weeks old recorded results in a database which can really have no possible rhyme, reason, or connection to a game being played out at the present moment...

Hence the plan I shared to play 'against' a string of six results+2 repeat matches becoming six results+6 repeat matches. (a rare pattern)

I am not saying it is not infallible or any better; just an alternative approach to what Steven delineated.

So now I prefer and elect to play that way using the code 4 style results - unless and until Steven can maybe convince me to change to a stronger or safer viable alternative.

It will surely be intensely interesting to see if he really has come up with something fresh and creative during the intervening period.

Like some others, I am also looking forward to seeing an example of his new attack. Steven has told us he will reveal his 'secret strategy' soon.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 07:11 AM 2017
Amazon prime. I have new keyboard next day.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 21, 07:23 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 07:11 AM 2017
Amazon prime. I have new keyboard next day.
exactly, someone who's winning can't buy a new board, you're just being strung along, the missing part never given, so why will he now?

As i said if he's still working on this method, he might made it better, but do you really expect to get the part
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 21, 07:25 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 21, 07:23 AM 2017
exactly, someone who's winning can't buy a new board, you're just being strung along, the missing part never given, so why will he now?

As i said if he's still working on this method, he might made it better, but do you really expect to get the part

Again withthe negativity !youwill never win like this
Idont have amazon in my country. and I am not in a rush to buy a keyboard with a working spacebar. I play roulette with the mouseandi have an s8!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 21, 07:59 AM 2017
I dont need your missing part, i just watch the starting 37 non-hit numbers, the 1 thing i know that is coming in X spins unlike how many ec will come in the next 40 spins, or waiting for code 4 events.
Not knocking you as i said in repeaters if you keep working on a method new ways show and they maybe for the better.
But the ? is will you tell your awaiting audience the missing part, i think not.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 21, 08:00 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 07:11 AM 2017
Amazon prime. I have new keyboard next day.

Why Amazon, when you can get $5 off at dhgate.com and wait 60 days for free shipping? Seriously rg you know nothing.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 08:03 AM 2017
If you want to be taken seriously don’t use a keyboard excuse

People here want to hear what you have to say

So this has been going on for days now. Maybe you should have waited until you had a working keyboard?

This has all the markings

Instead of getting offended just understand why people are skeptical. This has happened before. It’s always a missing piece.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 21, 08:03 AM 2017
Steven1212, The suspense is intense. Why not just make your next post contain the secret? You are posting lots already without a spacebar
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 21, 08:32 AM 2017
I posting 2 sentence post. This will be very long. and I really want to tell you the end of the syuste,  I just dont understand why people are so aggressive and angry with me. Its not like I havent contributed massively already. im here to give you a present. not a punishment ! dont be so mean !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 08:36 AM 2017
People don’t appreciate being in suspense

If you want to share, then share

If not, then don’t.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 21, 08:42 AM 2017
 We already explained why people have short patience.

And keep in mind people with similar claims make hundreds of posts and never reveal one valid usable piece of information. The lack of patience here is justified.

If you have something to share, don't delay. Otherwise expect less patience. In any case if you share something of value, expect to be our hero.

Don't be offended by skepticism. If you have something that works, understand the skeptics are often clueless dickheads. Skeptical when there is no proof is one thing. Skeptical when there's ample proof is another.  In your case, all we have is your word. In the internet, anyone's word alone is worthless.

Anyway i hope you are different and become our hero. Forgive me if i don't have high expectations. History has repeated far toi many times.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 21, 01:24 PM 2017
Let's give some credit to Steven1212. I believe he's busy with other things because his life does not revolve around roulette. I believe he is a man of character and will keep his word.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 05:55 PM 2017
Quote from: Buffster on Feb 10, 12:40 PM 2014
Give Steven a chance ... I'm sure he'll come through...

B

soon
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 06:05 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Feb 12, 10:14 AM 2014
Hello,


Unfortunately, I am kind of forced to share the thread with everyone, for altruistic purposes. I explain why later. Here is Code Invincible. Enjoy and Respect please.

First of, let me give a shout out and big thanks to JL, Atlantis, and Amk for letting me think of this system. JL, for inventing the matrixes codes with Pattern 4. Amk for turning it into the genius Code 4. And more importantly, Atlantis when you innocently wrote a message that sparked the idea in my head from which Code Invincible was born out. Please, understand that I have been working on this system for a few months and that it has not always looked like it does today. For some of you, the hardest working, it might be interesting to understand where it started and the thought process involved, in case you’d like to see if maybe I missed a good idea along the way. Until it became what is is today, it all started from a genius, genius, genius post by Atlantis in his own thread Code 4-H. Look for yourself, torwards the end, and if you’re very curious, shoot me a PM and I will give you a clue.

Now, the disclaimer. This system will probably not work in the long run on RNG. Another possibility is that the ones who will use bots to test it over 1 million spins will most likely see it fail a few times. Anything else doesn’t exist. But honestly, I don’t think it’s a problem. We all know that random can, and will, create the impossible eventually. I do not think it’s a problem for us and I do not think my system will fail me betting real money. As long as I do not use RNG, or set it up in a bot to run 24/7.

A quick message for the no-sayers. I was really relucatant to post the system here. The only reason I do is that I realized that if I sent it to my selected few sample only, it would have defeated the purpose. I chose those people because I knew they would be willing to help improve it and brainstorm it. But in PM, it’s really hard to have common conversation all together. For this sake, I have finally decided to post it here. Unfortunately, I know that most of you people will take the system to test it. If it works, you will go and make money, and never come back here to say thank you of even tell others it works. If for some reason it does not work for you, YOU WILL come back here to insult me. So I beg of you, do not bother us. We are here to create something that works, and to brainstorm with positivty only. DO NOT POLUTE THIS THREAD WITH YOUR STUPID USELESS INSULTS.

Now to the system!
I take it for granted that you all have a perfect understanding of Code 4. If you do not, I urge you to read the Code 4 thread twice before coming back here.
When I thought of this system, I had to purpose in mind:
-Play continuously, without having to suffer long waits for triggers
-Not fail!
I think that’s what my tweak brings to Code 4. No hit and run necessary because if you’re meant to lose you will lose. No long wait as triggers show up almost at every single spin.

Code Invincible is the same than Code 4 in regards to the fact that you bet against a Doz/Col/Doz/etc.. pattern forming. As you know from Code 4, the odds are on your side. And the longer the pattern, the less chance to loose - Code Invincible works well with a 3-pattern (i.e. 1a3), and therefore is playable in most casino tables with a 3 step martingale. This is what I do for now, sometimes 3 steps, sometimes 4 steps (i.e. 1a3b) and I have yet to see it fail. But to make it invincible, I would rather use 5 steps. This is why I am looking for a table that will allow a 5 step grand marti on 2:1 chances. In this case, I challenge you to make this sytem lose!

Code Invincible is different than Code 4, in regards to the way to select the pattern you will bet against. In Code 4, you arbitrarily bet against the third past line. I think that with this pattern selection method, you give to much chance for Random to catch up with you on the long haul. Pay close attention, because this is where lays my improvement. I have tweaked the bet selection method to try to comfuse Random to the point that it will never understand what we’re up to and will never be able to catch up with you.
Now I will explain to you how to select the patterns. As stated earlier, if you are interested in thought process (and I encourgage to be) I can explain how I came to think of that, as the preliminary steps are very interesting. But here, for the sake of brievity, I will simply expose the system to you.

I have collected a set of 879 real spins Codes 4 from previous real games (I am actually lying here, since I am not the one who collected them, but I really just stole them from Atlantis in another Martix thread. Thanks for that too Atlantis). Why 879? It’s not random, it’s specific, you will understand why…
Instead of keeping this codes line after line, I have reformatted it into a pdf documents, where the codes follow each other in order to form one long line of 3516 characters.
You need to have this pdf document with you at all time. And it cannot be a printed version, it needs to on a digital device in order to have the Search tool to find specific codes, that would take you too long to find with your own eye, since most of the times they each exist only once through the whole 3515 characters.

So how to play it? Let’s say you log in to a table, or sit at roulette machine in a casino. Take out your Iphone or your Ipad, and convert the LAST 6 spins on the marquee history into a matrix code.

Ex: You show up at the table and the last 6 spuns numbers are 12 - 10 - 23 - 2 - 7 - 34
You then translate this series into 1a2b1a


Now if you take your PDF documents and use the search tool to find this code within the document, you will see at each step the number of matches, and here is what you will see and where the magic happen. You will type in the “find” box:

1…………….. (580 matches)
1a…………….(173 matches)
1a2……………(64 matches)
1a2b…………..(19 matches) Now let’s imagine here you were playing simple code 4 and betting against a 4- pattern, this pattern will show up 19 times within the document and that’s too many chances to lose! So you continue looking for your 6-pattern.
1a2b1…………(8 matches)
1a2b1a………..(1 MATCH) Yes sir! 1 Match only. When giving you six numbers, random is able to get only one match in the whole document!!!!!!

So at this point, I think you’ve figured out what to do next! See where that 6-pattern is showing in the document and write down the 3-5 charaters that come after. Is this specific example, the 5 next characters a 1b2b2.

Now using your martingale or grand step martingale, bet against 1b2b2. Most likely you will win on the first step. Sometimes on the 2nd. Very rarely on the 3rd, and so far, I have never seen it reach the 4th or 5th step. So all of you will think that it’s the same than Code 4 because you are betting against a 3, 4 or 5-pattern with a chance to lose or (respectively) 1/27, 1/81 or 1/243. And in theory you are right, but in practice you are completely wrong !!! Here is why: the example I just gave you is not just one lucky one! Everytime you enter a 6-pattern in the search tool, you wil NEVER EVER find more than 4 or 5 matches in the whole document! Everytime single time you will enter 6 characters, you will have that little matches because this represent there are 729 different combinations for 6 characters and within 3516 characters in this this document it is really really difficult for random to find matching patterns!
So if you ask me where is the logic, it is really simple and here you will understand why it is invincible and magic!
You are using the past 6 spins, and to this you add the 5 more spins of you 5 step progression. That’s 11 spins that translate into an 11 characters. An 11-pattern has 177,147 different combinations and you are asking the roulette table to give you one that in in the pdf document?
It is simply almost IMPOSSIBLE. Do you understand!

In conclusion, you are playing with the same theoritical odds than than Code 4, but you are adding on your sides a very very big “virtual” odd in your favor.

Like I said, I have been playing it for a few hours everyday at the roulette machine in a real casino and have never been taken to the 4th step yet. I believe that with a table that allows 5 steps progression, the system is Invincible! And if you lose, the only explanation is that you are one of those ungrateful ones I mentioned earlier and you are not meant to be a winner. So be grateful (that’s the most I have to bring to you - better than the system)

Now, read this part carefully because this specific scenario happens 50% of the time so you will need it and it makes the system 5 times stronger than it already is.

Let’s say that you enter a 6-pattern code in your find box, and instead of having one single match like my example above, you actually have 3 or 4 matches - it will rarely be more and even if it is more then it is good news for you as it will be a very strong trigger. What I recommend doing is to continue translating the spin outcomes in Dozens and Colums and continue adding them to your search box (i.e enter 7 characters instead of 6).

Example (I invent random codes because I do not feel like seacrhing for an existing one):

Let’s say your past 6 spins translate to 2c3a1b and for that specific code you have 4 matches. Then is is likely that if you look at the spins on each of this matches you will find something like:
2c3a1b-2
2c3a1b-1
2c3a1b-1
2c3a1b-3

It is obvious that here you have an opportunity to make your trigger even stronger. Wait for the next spin. It will most likely be in dozen 1, 2 or 3! If for example the spin outcome is 32, then choose your code 2c3a1b-3! Read the next 5 characters and bet against them. You now have a 7-pattern code + your 5 spins. Thats 12 characters for 531,441 different combination! Invincbible!

There is much more I could say about this system, about my research, my testing, my own experience, but first I will let you study it and test it and we can talk later if necessary.
FYI, I play this continuously. Let me show you how with the first example I used.

Imagine the first code I get is 1a2b1a (Spins outcome: 12 - 10 - 23 - 2 - 7 - 34). Next character in the PDF is 1 and the next spin 18 so I win on the first step. What I do is that I now use the spins 10 -23 -2 -7 -34 - 18 to generate the next code. And eventhough you have already used 5 of those numbers, it will give you a very different code thanks to the alternance of dozens and colums (i.e. your new trigger code will be 1b1a3c).

For the rich ones of you who have the available bankroll, you can play Code Invincible on Columns and Dozens at the same time for twice faster earnings.

i.e. The spins are 12 - 10 - 23 - 2 - 7 - 34
Your first code is 1a2b1a and you bet on Dozens/Columns/etc…
Your second code with the same spins is c1b1a3 and you bet on Columns/Dozens/etc…

That’s it for now. Hope you enjoy.

Happy winnings.

Cheers,

Steven1212

i will say one thing

i think like this
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 21, 06:24 PM 2017
Is that from 2014?

It was a long time...

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 06:25 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 21, 06:24 PM 2017
Is that from 2014?

It was a long time...

buffster has been waiting since feb of 2014
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 21, 06:28 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 21, 06:25 PM 2017
buffster has been waiting since feb of 2014

And now another waiting time... Very strange...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 21, 09:14 PM 2017
Steven1212, can you please let everyone know a specific timeframe that you will give all details?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ratwood85 on Sep 22, 12:30 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 20, 05:10 AM 2017
Thanks ratwood85 for sharing details of your trial games resulting in a total win of +127u.
Sometimes the waits are not too bad. For instance this morning I got 4 triggers (all won) in only 35 spins - and that was just recording one way (I omitted the reverse tracking)
3w on 1st; 1w on 2nd (typical result)
2 tables? - why not? Whatever suits and makes it easier by reducing the time factor.
Can view several tables in some live online dealer roulette lobbies to see if patterns are forming...
A.

BAD NEWS Atlantis.. when my BR reach 219 I LOSS.

First 6spins :
16 - 25 - 24 - 6 - 24 - 24
A - 3 - C - 1 - C - 2

Next 6spins :
7 - 29 - 24 - 10 - 36 - 13
A - 3 - C - 1 - C - 2

It REPEAT Atlantis..  bust my BR..

Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ratwood85 on Sep 22, 12:33 AM 2017
For more information, i'm playing in this Live Casino. See attachment.. thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 02:44 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 09:14 PM 2017
Steven1212, can you please let everyone know a specific timeframe that you will give all details?

At some point in the next 168 hours.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 02:45 AM 2017
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Sep 22, 12:30 AM 2017
BAD NEWS Atlantis.. when my BR reach 219 I LOSS.

First 6spins :
16 - 25 - 24 - 6 - 24 - 24
A - 3 - C - 1 - C - 2

Next 6spins :
7 - 29 - 24 - 10 - 36 - 13
A - 3 - C - 1 - C - 2

It REPEAT Atlantis..  bust my BR..

Thanks

In my system, secret ingredient included, it wouldn’t be catastrophic. The problem is that you didn’t have the secret ingredient and therefore did the exact opposite of what you should have done.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 03:02 AM 2017
168 hours? Does that include keyboard design and manufacturing?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 03:07 AM 2017
Waste of time, this guy seems is struggling to win !! Forget it guys !

You want to win ?
Do what Einstein said : after ever loss double your stake !! ;))

That was just for fun !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 03:38 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 03:02 AM 2017
168 hours? Does that include keyboard design and manufacturing?

Stop complaining or I’ll come back in three years. If in 168 I didn’t reveal the last bit, you can ban me from the forum.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 03:40 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 22, 03:07 AM 2017
Waste of time, this guy seems is struggling to win !! Forget it guys !

You want to win ?
Do what Einstein said : after ever loss double your stake !! ;))

That was just for fun !

First of all I’m not struggling to win. I have two working roulette system designed by me. The invincible one. And a second I might tell you about if all of you start behaving. You waited three years, you can wait another 168 hours no?
Secondly, thanks for pointing out that I succeeded where Einstein didn’t. Finding a a way around the perfect maths of the roulette table and beating probability (and the table limit obstacle).
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ratwood85 on Sep 22, 03:41 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 02:45 AM 2017
In my system, secret ingredient included, it wouldn’t be catastrophic. The problem is that you didn’t have the secret ingredient and therefore did the exact opposite of what you should have done.

Are you serious steven1212 ??? That yoir system can avoid some resukts like that ?? If yes then i'm very interested and patiently wait for you to share it.. ;) keep up the good work steven1212..

Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 03:47 AM 2017
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Sep 22, 03:41 AM 2017
Are you serious steven1212 ??? That yoir system can avoid some resukts like that ?? If yes then i'm very interested and patiently wait for you to share it.. ;) keep up the good work steven1212..

Thanks

Of course I’m serious ! I will prove it to you. In the next 167 hours or less ....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 03:56 AM 2017
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Sep 22, 12:30 AM 2017
BAD NEWS Atlantis.. when my BR reach 219 I LOSS.

First 6spins :
16 - 25 - 24 - 6 - 24 - 24
A - 3 - C - 1 - C - 2

Next 6spins :
7 - 29 - 24 - 10 - 36 - 13
A - 3 - C - 1 - C - 2

It REPEAT Atlantis..  bust my BR..

Thanks

Thanks again for your report. Regret to hear about this. I haven't had time for much tests on what is only a relatively new and recent shared idea on my part. Of course, I did not claim it was infallible. Maybe the odds of such an occurrence are not as big as we thought. Maybe it only hundreds to one? In my few tests I did not bust yet - but I mentioned abt not using the standard DD prog 1-3-9-27. It's far too dangerous IMHO.
But I still prefer my approach over the original in this thread. Some will know I am not a big fan of double dozen systems or rising progressions in any case , because of the danger, but If I can see some merit in an idea I will definately try it to prove to myself. So now it is shown to have lost a 4step - once.
Would a wecome  "final secret ingredient"  make it any more invincible? I wonder? Does seem like it will be required and necessary, that is, if such really exists!?

I refrain from more tests for now. Over to you Steven...

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:02 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 03:56 AM 2017
Thanks again for your report. Regret to hear about this. I haven't had time for much tests on what is only a relatively new and recent shared idea on my part. Of course, I did not claim it was infallible. Maybe the odds of such an occurrence are not as big as we thought. Maybe it only hundreds to one? In my few tests I did not bust yet - but I mentioned abt not using the standard DD prog 1-3-9-27. It's far too dangerous IMHO.
But I still prefer my approach over the original in this thread. Some will know I am not a big fan of double dozen systems or rising progressions in any case , because of the danger, but If I can see some merit in an idea I will definately try it to prove to myself. So now it is shown to have lost a 4step - once.
Would a wecome  "final secret ingredient"  make it any more invincible? I wonder? Does seem like it will be required and necessary, that is, if such really exists!?

I refrain from more tests for now. Over to you Steven...

A.

You can't doubt me ! You're the only one I have left in here that believed. Don't give up ! I have a last ingredient. It makes sure you don't bust like this dude did
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 04:08 AM 2017
 :-X
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:10 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 04:08 AM 2017
:-X

Another little clue before I find the time to write things down... Roulette is NOT my number one income. Im a pro football bettor. And its thanks to my football betting background that I managed to succeed...

Second clue coming later today...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: maestro on Sep 22, 04:15 AM 2017
QuoteAnother little clue before I find the time to write things down... Roulette is NOT my number one income. Im a pro football bettor. And its thanks to my football betting background that I managed to succeed...

Second clue coming later today...


get a fucking life..
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 04:26 AM 2017
Awesome. We love being strung along with clues.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:27 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 04:26 AM 2017
Awesome. We love being strung along with clues.


Well, I'll tell you write now the first part of my secret. It's called PATIENCE. you don't seem to have any of it. And it's what you need for my secret. It's what you need if you ever want to come close to beating the roulette. Be patient.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 04:32 AM 2017
Sorry im just sick of losing at roulette.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:35 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 04:32 AM 2017
Sorry im just sick of losing at roulette.

Soon it will all be in the past ....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 05:10 AM 2017
Yay, no more food stamps
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 05:13 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 05:10 AM 2017
Yay, no more food stamps

But if you don't find a way to have patience discipline and more importantly faith, you will not succeed.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 05:14 AM 2017
You said a few days ago that once you  buy keyboard you will present your finding, now you say you still need time  !!
That means you are still struggling !

By the way, any stragedy which relies on patterns which are due to happen is useless, I have studied the dynamic of roulette for a years, nothing is due in roulette, if you want to win then you should.....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 05:16 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 22, 05:14 AM 2017
You said a few days ago that once you  buy keyboard you will present your finding, now you say you need still time !!
That means you are still struggling !

By the way, any stragedy which relies on patterns which are due to happen is useless, I have studied the dynamic of roulette for a years, nothing is due in roulette, if you want to win then you should.....

No. That's means I still didn't buy a keyboard. And just because you studied doesn't mean your findings are true. It means you were not good enough to achieve what I achieved. Don't think everyone will fail just because you did.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 22, 05:21 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 22, 05:14 AM 2017
You said a few days ago that once you  buy keyboard you will present your finding, now you say you still need time  !!
That means you are still struggling !

By the way, any stragedy which relies on patterns which are due to happen is useless, I have studied the dynamic of roulette for a years, nothing is due in roulette, if you want to win then you should.....
There is only one thing you know that is due in roulette, it's when you start the 1st spin, all 37 non-hit numbers are now going to hit in X spins.
The X spins is the puzzle, but all puzzle can be completed
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 05:25 AM 2017
Some people do really show their struggles/problems unintentionally... pay attention !

You just talked about losing in roulette !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 05:42 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 22, 05:21 AM 2017
There is only one thing you know that is due in roulette, it's when you start the 1st spin, all 37 non-hit numbers are now going to hit in X spins.
The X spins is the puzzle, but all puzzle can be completed

You are right, however some scientists claim that they beat roulette with chaos theory.


Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 06:16 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 03:40 AM 2017
I might tell you about if all of you start behaving.

Lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 06:25 AM 2017
I just found this from member 'Anthony' who posted this in Feb 2012 (5 yrs ago):

Quote
Maybe you can play code 6 code 4 style and wait for the first 2 numbers to match and then use a 4 step progression.

Example

1a3b2c
2c1a3b
3a1a2a
1a<<<<<<< this is where you would start your 4 step progression because the first 2 numbers match the first 2 numbers of the first row. This may take a bit of tracking to match the first 2 numbers but I believe it's worth the testing because this trigger might give very very long winning streaks.

Just an idea!

Anthony

Seems I was not the first to come up with the idea. This using original JL code 4 idea but expanded to a code 6

:)

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 06:27 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 06:16 AM 2017
Lol


His words are Too childish!
He has nothing to tell, just talk talk
Hopefully with his super system All casino will stop roulette
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Sep 22, 06:33 AM 2017
Can someone give this man a keyboard please?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 06:38 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 22, 06:27 AM 2017

His words are Too childish!
He has nothing to tell, just talk talk
Hopefully with his super system All casino will stop roulette

If I knew of a way to tell everyone except you, I would go buy the keyboard in the next word. I want everyone to know except you. You don't deserve my gift.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 07:07 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 06:38 AM 2017
If I knew of a way to tell everyone except you, I would go buy the keyboard in the next word. I want everyone to know except you. You don't deserve my gift.

Haha, it  made me really laugh !
I have my system and I don't want yours.

Second, you are just teasing the folks here, Aren't you seeing  that !!??

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 07:11 AM 2017
I think the plan is simple

Human psyche is very easy to read through at times

To me it seems he came here to say he had a secret knowing it would get people restless. Then once people pushed back he has intentions of saying “oh you guys are ungrateful I’m not sharing”

I believe this is his plan all along unless he proves me wrong

I definitely believe his plan all along was to not share anything and use the excuse of “you guys are mean I’m not sharing”

So clear it could kick you in the face.

Step 1- say you have a secret

Step 2- keep saying you will share soon

Step 3- wait for people to get restless

Step 4- decline to share said “secret” because people are “ungrateful”

So easy

Next!




(Don’t have to be a psychologist to figure this shit out)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 07:13 AM 2017
Rg shh. Dont ruin it for the rest of us.  The countdown started. The era of the keyboard will commence.

This will be the last key to complete the set of keys. Qwerty ( one word no spaces)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 07:16 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 07:11 AM 2017
I think the plan is simple

Human psyche is very easy to read through at times

To me it seems he came here to say he had a secret knowing it would get people restless. Then once people pushed back he has intentions of saying “oh you guys are ungrateful I’m not sharing”

I believe this is his plan all along unless he proves me wrong

I definitely believe his plan all along was to not share anything and use the excuse of “you guys are mean I’m not sharing”

So clear it could kick you in the face.

Step 1- say you have a secret

Step 2- keep saying you will share soon

Step 3- wait for people to get restless

Step 4- decline to share said “secret” because people are “ungrateful”

So easy

Next!




(Don’t have to be a psychologist to figure this shit out)


It’s incredible how many times a day you manage to be wrong. You are WRONG. I made a promess to reveal it and I have only one word.
I wonder if you will apologise to me when I prove you wrong. But seeing how stubborn you are I doubt it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 07:21 AM 2017
I hope you prove me wrong

Just saying what this looks like

I’d like to goto the casino and play a negative expectation game invincibly.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 07:25 AM 2017
Steven1212 i swear if I'm wrong and u have the hg, I'll apologize.. and Turner promises to shave his balls.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 07:34 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 07:25 AM 2017
Steven1212 i swear if I'm wrong and u have the hg, I'll apologize.. and Turner promises to shave his balls.


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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 07:38 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 07:34 AM 2017

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I want roulette ghost to promise hell apologize if I do have a secret and it does improve drastically the system I've already shown. So ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 07:44 AM 2017
Steven, what you want more than he shaves his balls ! That's fine ...or ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Sep 22, 07:50 AM 2017
improving a system is not quite the hg. Any system can do well in short term.

This multiple steven thing is getting confusing. And id gladly wager shaving my nuts but it would get itchy. Besides Turner totally offered.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 07:54 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 07:38 AM 2017
I want roulette ghost to promise hell apologize if I do have a secret and it does improve drastically the system I've already shown. So ?

If you have an invincible system then you should be the happiest man in the world and not so worried about a person in a forum apologizing.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:02 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 07:50 AM 2017
improving a system is not quite the hg. Any system can do well in short term.

This multiple steven thing is getting confusing. And id gladly wager shaving my nuts but it would get itchy. Besides Turner totally offered.

Steve I thought you were a smart guy. Why do you keep using these two letters: hg ? Stop being so foolish.
And stop worrying too. I'll bring you as close to it as you've ever been.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 08:03 AM 2017
Guys, I saw yesterday on YouTube a video showing someone betting huge on roulette and winning BIG

His name "keisi" and he was winning 200k and over.

I can't believe my eyes !!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:04 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 07:54 AM 2017
If you have an invincible system then you should be the happiest man in the world and not so worried about a person in a forum apologizing.

I am so happy ! You have no idea ! The only thing making me sad in life is negativity. I have it all around me in the city I live in. And I have it with you. And I would do anything to erase this energy from my life.

By the way, I repeat. I don't use my invincible system to make money. I'm much better at football betting. This is my income. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:07 AM 2017
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 08:11 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:04 AM 2017
I am so happy ! You have no idea ! The only thing making me sad in life is negativity. I have it all around me in the city I live in. And I have it with you. And I would do anything to erase this energy from my life.

By the way, I repeat. I don't use my invincible system to make money. I'm much better at football betting. This is my income.

You don’t use an invincible system to make money?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:13 AM 2017
Steven1212 wrote:
Quote
By the way, I repeat. I don't use my invincible system to make money.

What?
Why not?!

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:14 AM 2017
Just can’t get away from my broken keyboard. There’s no ESCAPE.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:15 AM 2017
I decided to take the really big key off my keyboard and throw it away. It’s a waste of space.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 08:20 AM 2017
This thread needs ctrl alt del
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 22, 08:25 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 08:20 AM 2017

This thread needs ctrl alt del



That's too many keys to press ...... now if there was only one key to press, then I would agree with you.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:28 AM 2017
I dropped a really big crumb on my laptop keyboard. Turned out to be nothing to worry about, though, it’s under Ctrl.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 22, 08:38 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:28 AM 2017

I dropped a really big crumb on my laptop keyboard. Turned out to be nothing to worry about, though, it’s under Ctrl.



An ALT possibility is to DEL the above piece of crumb and you can SHIFT back to normal.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 08:39 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:04 AM 2017
I am so happy ! You have no idea ! The only thing making me sad in life is negativity. I have it all around me in the city I live in. And I have it with you. And I would do anything to erase this energy from my life.

By the way, I repeat. I don't use my invincible system to make money. I'm much better at football betting. This is my income.

I don't use my invincible system to make money, rather I use it to lose money !!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:40 AM 2017
:) Very droll DoctorS!

About keyboards... I’m really obsessed with the F1 key on my keyboard...  I’m trying to get help.

Seriously though for a minute - can anyone tell me where exactly is the "ANY" key on the standard keyboard. Sometimes I get a dialog box with a message: "Press Any Key"....?

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 08:47 AM 2017
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:52 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:13 AM 2017
Steven1212 wrote:
What?
Why not?!

A.

Many reasons. Mainly because I don’t enjoy playing the roulette for 8 hours a day. It’s so dull. Especially when the system is so mechanic. It’s gets very monotonous. However I enjoy a lot betting on football. It’s a passion for me. And at this point in time my balance is large enough for me to generate between 60 and 75k per month so that’s great.

Another reason is that I’m pretty sure that if took those amounts from an online casino, or even some real ones, they would limit me (online) or beat me up (B&M) and i couldn’t do it permanently. With football, they cant limit me.

But its still nice to have it as a backup. By the way, I just typed this message on my brand new keyboard. Feels good !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 22, 08:54 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:40 AM 2017
:) Very droll DoctorS!

About keyboards... I’m really obsessed with the F1 key on my keyboard...  I’m trying to get help.

Seriously though for a minute - can anyone tell me where exactly is the "ANY" key on the standard keyboard. Sometimes I get a dialog box with a message: "Press Any Key"....?

A.

It literally means ANY key -- as in ANY ONE of the several dozen keys that are on a standard keyboard.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 08:55 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:52 AM 2017
Many reasons. Mainly because I don’t enjoy playing the roulette for 8 hours a day. It’s so dull. Especially when the system is so mechanic. It’s gets very monotonous. However I enjoy a lot betting on football. It’s a passion for me. And at this point in time my balance is large enough for me to generate between 60 and 75k per month so that’s great.

Another reason is that I’m pretty sure that if took those amounts from an online casino, or even some real ones, they would limit me (online) or beat me up (B&M) and i couldn’t do it permanently. With football, they cant limit me.

But its still nice to have it as a backup. By the way, I just typed this message on my brand new keyboard. Feels good !

If you play on airball and keep the wins modest to maybe 100 a day, you won’t get beat up
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 08:57 AM 2017
Great RG :)

How bout this:

A keyboard ENTER's a bar (not just any bar ; it's a SPACEBAR)
He orders a round of drinks for everyone.
The bartender asks him how he will be paying for the drinks.
The keyboard says "just put it on my tab."

:)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 08:58 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:52 AM 2017
Many reasons. Mainly because I don’t enjoy playing the roulette for 8 hours a day. It’s so dull. Especially when the system is so mechanic. It’s gets very monotonous. However I enjoy a lot betting on football. It’s a passion for me. And at this point in time my balance is large enough for me to generate between 60 and 75k per month so that’s great.

Another reason is that I’m pretty sure that if took those amounts from an online casino, or even some real ones, they would limit me (online) or beat me up (B&M) and i couldn’t do it permanently. With football, they cant limit me.

But its still nice to have it as a backup. By the way, I just typed this message on my brand new keyboard. Feels good !

The guys sorry the gamblers I like look like this ... and I don't care what stories do they say LOL
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:59 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 08:55 AM 2017
If you play on airball and keep the wins modest to maybe 100 a day, you won’t get beat up

I need to make at least 20 times that amount each day to cover for my lifestyle.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 09:00 AM 2017
I’d be happy with 100 a day

That’s just me though
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 09:04 AM 2017
Quote
I just typed this message on my brand new keyboard. Feels good !

Hooray!  No more keyboard jokes - I promise. ;)

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 09:06 AM 2017
Steven1212 wrote:
Quote
Many reasons. Mainly because I don’t enjoy playing the roulette for 8 hours a day. It’s so dull. Especially when the system is so mechanic. It’s gets very monotonous. However I enjoy a lot betting on football. It’s a passion for me.

I understand perfectly - similar thing with me and horseracing.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 22, 09:25 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 09:06 AM 2017
Steven1212 wrote:
I understand perfectly - similar thing with me and horseracing.

A.
Flat, steeplechase or trot ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 09:30 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 09:00 AM 2017
I’d be happy with 100 a day

That’s just me though

This is why I don’t you my system. But you will be able no problem. And I won’t even ask you for a commission for all the money I’m gonna make you.....!!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 09:35 AM 2017
Steven, are you still adding improvements to your system ?  If yes say that !
No problem at all.

As far I see you are just feeding the folks with dream and hope !

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 09:39 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 22, 09:35 AM 2017
Steven, are you still adding improvements to your system ?  If yes say that !
No problem at all.

As far I see you are just feeding the folks with dream and hope !

No. It’s been set in stone for months now. No need to change it it’s already waterproof.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 22, 09:43 AM 2017
It's incredible to see how nobody got patience around here. Lol.

If I was him....I'll add another 168 hours  >:D
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 09:46 AM 2017
Steven said:

Quote
It’s been set in stone for months now. No need to change it it’s already waterproof.

Cool!

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 09:52 AM 2017
Human psyche

Should have just posted when he was ready instead of contributing to the inevitable impatience

Very weird scenario here.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 10:00 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 22, 09:43 AM 2017
It's incredible to see how nobody got patience around here. Lol.

If I was him....I'll add another 168 hours  >:D

Hi Denzie,
I actually think some are being incredibly patient - all things considered and in the light of past history.
I have no probs being patient. Patience is a virtue. And I'm not letting myself get massively high expectations from this either.
I'm not expecting the HG. Maybe expect the unexpected? Or - expect nothing.. ? Then you will not be disappointed.
One thing's for sure though - nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!  :)

I believe Steven is a man of his word. I can wait.

A.
PS. Sorry for the Monty Python joke.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 22, 10:07 AM 2017
There'll always be that secret sauce not shared. Wanna bet ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Sep 22, 10:19 AM 2017
Oh, I can wait. I would personally like to see this thread going to 100 pages withouth nothing worthile ever happening, so we still have a lot to go :)

I'm dissapointed the keyboard came before page 50... very sad...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 10:22 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 22, 10:07 AM 2017
There'll always be that secret sauce not shared. Wanna bet ?

It’s a carrot on a stick

How many times this happened?

However I will say I was wrong if that time comes.

I’ve wasted too much time reading his thread

I like the original idea of betting against a 1b3c pattern, I always like to play roulette that way so I’ll give him that

Other then that, pages of promising to reveal a secret is a waste of time so I won’t be back to this thread

I remember when falkor named forum members he share a secret HG with, too many times his happens. Boring


Next.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 10:26 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 09:00 AM 2017
I’d be happy with 100 a day

That’s just me though

Ditto.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Sep 22, 10:50 AM 2017
How about searching for a pattern  that shows up twice in the database and trying to bet against the two patterns that followed? It might decrease whatever edge is being claimed, but the wages would be on single dozens and columns; easier on the progressions...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 22, 10:57 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 09:30 AM 2017
This is why I don’t you my system. But you will be able no problem. And I won’t even ask you for a commission for all the money I’m gonna make you.....!!!!

Enough now....

Lets say....reveal the secret bit before close of play Tuesday or I lock the post

That appeases the masses and gives you a reason to have a hissy fit and take your ball in
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 11:12 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Sep 22, 10:50 AM 2017
How about searching for a pattern  that shows up twice in the database and trying to bet against the two patterns that followed? It might decrease whatever edge is being claimed, but the wages would be on single dozens and columns; easier on the progressions...

Hi psimoes,

I already tried the REVERSE idea using a code 6 - betting on single doz or column:

Reverse CODE 6
=============
Rules:

Wait for ONE vertical non-match then start betting for a MATCH on the applicable dozen or column.
Start @0.5u Increase by 0.5 after a loss.
On a win reduce to starting stake of 0.5 and wait for a single non-match result before next bet.
Continuous play.
****Always await for one non-match first before continuing play after any win***

Matrix 6 grid: "doz col doz col doz col"

I bet and record using 0.5 units.

3C3B3C
1B1B1C = L0.5, L1, W3, W1               =+2.5
3C3A2C = L0.5, L1, L1.5, L2, W5        = +2.5
1C2C1C = W1, L0.5, L1, W3               = +5
2A3A2C = L0.5,L1,L1.5,L2,W5            =  +5
2B2C2B = L0.5,L1,W3,                       =  +6.5
2B3C3B = W1, W1                             = +8.5
3A1C2B = L0.5,L1,W3,W1                  =  +11
3A3C1A = W1, L0.5,L1                       =  +10.5
3B2B3A = W3, L0.5, L1, L1.5, W4       =  +14.5
1C1A2B = L0.5,L1,L1.5,L2                  =  +9.5
2A1C2B = L2.5,L3,W7,W1                  =  +12
3C3C2B = L0.5,L1,W3                        =  +13.5
1C1B2A = W1, L0.5,W1                      = +15
3C2B2B = L0.5,W1,W1,L0.5               =  +16
1A2A1B = L1,L1.5,W4,L0.5,L1,W3      =  +19
3A3A3A = W1,W1,L0.5,L1                  = +19.5
3B2B2B = W3,L0.5,L1,L1.5,L2            = +17.5
2C1A2B = L2.5,L3,L3.5,L4,W9            = +13.5
3B3A3C = L0.5,L1,W3,L0.5,L1            = +13.5
2C3B2B = L1.5,L2,W5,L0.5,L1            = +13.5
2C2A1B = W3,L0.5,L1,W3                  = +17.5
1C2A2A = W1,L0.5                             = +18
1A1B1A = W2,L0.5,L1,L1.5,W4           = +21
3B2A1B = L0.5,L1,L1.5,W4                 = +22
3C3C2A = W1,L0.5,L1,L1.5,L2             = +18
1B1A2B = L2.5,L3,L3.5,L4,W9             = +14
2C3A2B = L0.5,L1,L1.5,W4                  = +15
2C2C1B = L0.5,L1,W3                         = +16.5
2B2A1B = W1,W1                               = +18.5
1B2B3A = W1,L0.5,L1,L1.5                  = +15.5
2B3C3A = L2,W5,L0.5,W2                   = +20
3A1B1B = L0.5,L1,L1.5,L2                   = +15
3C1C1C = W5,W1,W1                        = +22
2C3C3B = L0.5,W2,W1,L0.5                = +24
3A3A1A = L1,L1.5,W4,L0.5,L1             = +24
2C2A2A = L1.5,L2,L2.5,W6,W1           =  +25
3C3A3B = W1,W1,L0.5                       = +26.5
2B2B3C = L1,L1.5,L2,L2.5,W6             = +25.5
1A1B2C = L0.5,L1,L1.5,W4,W1           = +27.5
1C1C1B = W1,L0.5,L1,L1.5                = +25.5
3B1C3B = L2,L2.5,W6,W1                  = +28
2A1A1C = L0.5,W2,L0.5,L1                 = +30
3A3A2A = L1.5,W4,W1,L0.5                = +33
1B2B1A = L1,L1.5,L2,L2.5,L3,W7        =  +30
1A1A3C = L0.5,L1,L1.5,L2,L2.5           =  +22.5
1A2B3A = W6,L0.5,W2                       = +30
1A1B2B = W2,W1,L0.5                       = +32.5
2A2A2C = L1,W3,L0.5,W2                   = +36
2C2A2C = W2,W1                               = +39
3C3C2A = W1,L0.5,W2                        = +41.5
3B3A2C = W2,W1,W1                         = +45.5
1C1A3C = L0.5,L1,L1.5,W4,W1            = +47.5
2C1A3C = W1                                     = +48.5
2C3C2A = L0.5,L1,L1.5                        = +45.5
3A3A1A = L2,L2.5,W6,L0.5,W2            =  +48.5
3A1C3B = L0.5,L1,L1.5                        =  +45.5
3XXXXX  = W4                                    = +49.5

+49.5
Highest bet = 4.5u
:)
A.           
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 11:19 AM 2017
Even starting play after THREE no-matches does not guarantee that you will not hit a long losing progression as happened to me fairly soon in my trial later on.
Over 15 steps occurred without a winning match - so I can see (as expected) this above method is not one to rely on.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 11:24 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 22, 10:07 AM 2017
There'll always be that secret sauce not shared. Wanna bet ?

What are you willing to bet ? Your pride ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 11:25 AM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 22, 10:57 AM 2017
Enough now....

Lets say....reveal the secret bit before close of play Tuesday or I lock the post

That appeases the masses and gives you a reason to have a hissy fit and take your ball in


A threat now ?! That's new !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 22, 11:29 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 11:24 AM 2017
What are you willing to bet ? Your pride ?
Whatever boss, enjoy your foreplay till......................close of play Tuesday.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 11:31 AM 2017
Another of my favourites DOUBLE DOZ code 4 variations:

To get faster bets here is example game played in code 4 alternate fashion playing against left and right diagonal symmetrical quads:

It is gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression.

e.g.: if you have 212 on a diagonal slide then bet against 2121 (balanced symmetry)
e.g.: if you have 133 on a diagonal slide then bet against 1331
e.g.: if you have aaa on a diagonal slide then bet against aaaa

Whenever level or in profit move down to lowest level (1-1)

Bets are only made on col1 and col4 in the grid

I like to mix my cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation:

2 a 3 a
a 2 a 2
2 c 1 c  first 12 results 
b 2 a 2  w+1; w+1
3 b 3 a  w+1; w+1
a 2 c 3  nobet; L-2; +2 after 5 bets
3 c 2 b  L-2; w+1
c 1 c 2  w+1; w+1
3 b 3 a  nobet ; L-2; +1 after 5 bets (up to 2-2) 
a 1 b 2  w+2; +3 after 1 bet (down to 1-1); w+1
1 b 1 a  nobet; w+1
b 1 a 3  w+1; L-2
3 b 3 c  w+1; +5 after 5 bets; w+1
c 2 a 2  w+1; w+1
1 c 3 a  w+1; L-2 +7 after 5 bets
c 3 a 3  w+1; w+1
1 b 3 b  w+1; w+1
c 3 b 2  w+1; +12 after 5 bets; w+1
2 b 1 b  w+1; w+1
c 2 a 1  w+1; w+1 +17 after 5 bets
2 b 3 a  w+1; nobet
b 1 b 3  w+1; L-2
3 a 2 c  L-2; L-2; +13 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
c 1 a 3  w+2; w+2 +17 after 2 bets (down to 1-1)
2 b 1 a  nobet; w+1
a 1 b 3  nobet; L-2
2 a 2 a  w+1; w+1
b 1 c 2  L-2; +16 after 5 bets (up to 2-2); w+2; +18 after 2 bets (1-1)
2 c 3 b  nobet; w+1
a 1 b 3  L-2; nobet
3 b 1 a  nobet; w+1
b 1 c 2  L-2; L-2; -14 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
2 a 2 a  w+2; nobet
b 3 c 3  w+2; +18 after 2 bets (1-1); nobet
3 a 3 a  L-2; nobet
b 1 a 2  w+1; L-2
1 c 2 c  L-2; w+1; +14 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
a 3 b 3  w+2; w+2 +18 after 3 bets (down to 1-1)
3 c 2 b  L-2; w+1
a 3 b 2  w+1; nobet
3 b 2 a  w+1; nobet
c 2 c 1  w+1; +20 after 5 bets
3 a 3 c  w+1; nobet
a 2 b 2  w+1; L-2
2 a 1 b  nobet; nobet
b 2 a 3  nobet; nobet
2 b 3 c  w+1; w+1 +22 after 5 bets
a 2 b 1  L-2; nobet
3 c 3 c  w+1; w+1
b 1 c 3  L-2; L-2; +18 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
2 c 3 c  L-4; w+2
b 2 c 3  w+2; w+2
3 b 3 c  w+2; +22 after 5 bets (1-1); w+1
c 2 a 2  w+1; w+1
2 c 1 c  L-2; w+1 +24 after 5 bets
a 3 c 2  L-2; nobet
3 b 2 c  nobet; L-2
a 3 a 1  w+1; w+1
1 a 1 b  w+1; +23 after 5 bets (u to 2-2); L-4   
b 3 a 2  w+2; nobet
2 c 1 b  w+2; w+2; +25 after 4 bets (down to 1-1)

Stopped here at +25
Highest bet = 2-2

A "nobet" is when you get a slide such as 3-2-1 or a-c-b which cannot be symmetrically balanced with the 4th result (col4)

====

You *can* win with these CODE 4 derivatives of course, as I showed but they are not perfect. You could be unlucky. They are not "invincible"...

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Sep 22, 11:42 AM 2017
Atlantis, upon seeing those first results you posted I bet everyone thinks "hey there´s nothing wrong with that method" but then the bad runs always show up uninvited. Now, maybe I misinterpreted the original MOP... but I don´t think it has to do with any grid or matrix play in particular. The way I see it is: you pick a series of real 729 spins as a database, that happened at some point in the past, and bet against the final 5 spins that follow a specific pattern of 6. Apparently a 6 spins sequence has just repeated, since you saw it on the marquee and it is in the database, but 11 should not repeat anytime soon in this space and time. That´s the claim, I think. Someone correct me if I got it wrong, please.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 11:47 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Sep 22, 11:42 AM 2017
Atlantis, upon seeing those first results you posted I bet everyone thinks "hey there´s nothing wrong with that method" but then the bad runs always show up uninvited. Now, maybe I misinterpreted the original MOP... but I don´t think it has to do with any grid or matrix play in particular. The way I see it is: you pick a series of real 729 spins as a database, that happened at some point in the past, and bet against the final 5 spins that follow a specific pattern of 6. Apparently a 6 spins sequence has just repeated, since you saw it on the marquee and it is in the database, but 11 should not repeat anytime soon in this space and time. That´s the claim, I think. Someone correct me if I got it wrong, please.

I know, psimoes. You're right about Steven's original MOP - but that is not invincible either!!!

There is no option but to await Steven's solution to the mystery.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 12:43 PM 2017
Coming to a forum specifically to “make people wait” is weird

should have just posted when he was ready.

What did he expected? A tea party with rose petals?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Sep 22, 12:55 PM 2017
Marty on double dozens escalates quickly. It doesn´t help either that each dozen or column still has 1:2 chance to hit at any time, no matter how we slice it. Think about it: how many times in a row has a single dozen hit, in all recorded history? 19? 25? Something around it. Well that´s the number of losses we should expect when playing the double dozens. Crazy, but it´s true!
It´s like the famous 30 reds in a row or something. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR has as many chances of hitting as RBRRBBRRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRRBBBBRRBR or any pattern related to whatever mechanical method, then 30 is the expected number of losses in a row when playing the ECs. 
Better bet less numbers if you want to use a progression. Single dozens also lose but not without a fight. Virtual also I believe can help here. Wait for a good number of virtual losses in a row before using that progression. They say virtual betting doesn´t work either, but the only problem I see is in the waiting. It´s imperious for the mechanical method to be consistent from start to finish, so that the LW it generates shows the usual clusters in context. It´s like, follow the rules and bet accordingly and coherently, but dont put any money on the table just yet.

Apologies , didn´t want to lecture on it, it´s just a few thoughts you people might find relevant to the topic.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 01:00 PM 2017
Every time I go through here to see if there is anything new. I'm anxious to know the "secret". But it's getting tiresome.

But I believe steven1212 will keep the word....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:01 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 12:43 PM 2017
Coming to a forum specifically to “make people wait” is weird

should have just posted when he was ready.

What did he expected? A tea party with rose petals?

There are reasons for the wait...

1. Some of you are so ungrateful that you must suffer a little bit before I give you a gift you don’t deserve. That includes you mate and I take pleasure a lot of pleasure provoking you !!

2. I just got my keyboard, and it will take a bit of time for me to type it out and explain it clearly.

3. As dumb as you think I am, I am actually KINDLY taking the time to reread this entire thread before I explain things, to make sure all of what I will say will be full of sense and help the ones that actually need and deserve it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 01:05 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:01 PM 2017
There are reasons for the wait...

1. Some of you are so ungrateful that you must suffer a little bit before I give you a gift you don’t deserve. That includes you mate and I take pleasure a lot of pleasure provoking you !!



Ok. That’s enough for me.

This is a big joke.

FYI- I am not provoked. I knew from the beginning this was a big joke and a carrot on a stick.

This is incredibly pitiful

Get to the nut house with falkor.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:11 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 01:05 PM 2017
Ok. That’s enough for me.

This is a big joke.

FYI- I am not provoked. I knew from the beginning this was a big joke and a carrot on a stick.

This is incredibly pitiful

Get to the nut house with falkor.

The more you say it the bigger the apology will need to be. Come on you don’t have much longer to wait. Your moderator friend gave me an ultimatum.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 01:16 PM 2017
Obviously something is wrong with you.

At this point only two things can happen

1- you will prove me wrong

2- you will prove nothing



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 22, 01:19 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 11:25 AM 2017

A threat now ?! That's new !
Its not a threat. It will happen
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:20 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 22, 01:19 PM 2017
Its not a threat. It will happen

It’s a threat anyhow
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 01:21 PM 2017
Quote

9. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 01:24 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:11 PM 2017
The more you say it the bigger the apology will need to be. Come on you don’t have much longer to wait. Your moderator friend gave me an ultimatum.

I believe you are hesitated to help, too much hesitated !!!

Go ahead and tell us your method, we might help getting it better !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 22, 01:29 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:20 PM 2017It’s a threat anyhow
No....a threat can have 2 outcomes. This has 1.  The thread is locked if you dont stop baiting
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:36 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 01:21 PM 2017


This doesn’t apply to me because I have shared one of the most successful system on this forum which led to 30 pages on conversation. Or in that case you should have banned Hermes too.
Secondly, I didn’t say I wouldn’t reveal it, I said I needed time to write it down. And your moderators/dictators have already given me an ultimatum.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:37 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 22, 01:24 PM 2017
I believe you are hesitated to help, too much hesitated !!!

Go ahead and tell us your method, we might help getting it better !

Thanks mate but I don’t need help. It’s already as good as it gets.
To be honest, since I have posted the basics of my system all you guys have done is make it more complicated and less efficient. My best advice to you when I reveal my secret is take my word for it, go play, don’t try to change a thing, and come back to thank me every week after your withdrawal
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:39 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 22, 01:29 PM 2017
No....a threat can have 2 outcomes. This has 1.  The thread is locked if you dont stop baiting

This has got to be the least clever thing I’ve heard today. I wanted to say this week but that would be unfair, cause others have said worst things.

Your threat has two outcomes. I obey and I stay. I disobey and you ban me. Very dictatorial.

Threat: a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 22, 01:50 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:39 PM 2017
This has got to be the least clever thing I’ve heard today. I wanted to say this week but that would be unfair, cause others have said worst things.

Your threat has two outcomes. I obey and I stay. I disobey and you ban me. Very dictatorial.

Threat: a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.
Not banned.....the thread is locked.
Your comments are just proving that you are not happy that you arnt in control. You can be in control by giving what you promised by Tuesday.
The moderation of this forum isnt up to you.
I have had a report to moderator flag so I have dealt with it.

Tuesday. No inflicting pain. No injury. No damage. Just locking the post
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:53 PM 2017
No problem, I accepted the rule already.
One question, is there a rule to ban all those idiots who say that a system won’t work before they even heard about it ? Because they are the main reason for the wait and you have a lot of cleaning to do.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 22, 02:01 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 01:53 PM 2017No problem, I accepted the rule already.
One question, is there a rule to ban all those idiots who say that a system won’t work before they even heard about it ? Because they are the main reason for the wait and you have a lot of cleaning to do.
Mamy thanks. Please report to moderator if you are unhappy. I tend to stay out otherwise
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 02:02 PM 2017
a threat is a statement of intent to cause some type of pain or punishment or injury

Asking to abide by a forum rule is not a threat

The forum clearly states baiting of any kind is against the rules

No member has the luxury of stating they have a secret and lead people on for days. No one has the authority to tell people to behave or use the premise of a “secret” as a governing tool.

That’s not what this forum is for

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 02:03 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 02:02 PM 2017
a threat is a statement of intent to cause some type of pain or punishment or injury

Asking to abide by a forum rule is not a threat

The forum clearly states baiting of any kind is against the rules

No member has the luxury of stating they have a secret and lead people on for days

That’s not what this forum is for

Dude I’m tired. I’m not baiting so stop wasting my time with your stubbornness and let me focus on typing things done. Ungrateful.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 02:07 PM 2017
Be careful who you call ungrateful

I’ve spent hours upon hours testing systems and putting clear and easy to read results in spreadsheets and posted them on this forum

I’ve posted thousands of Zumma and real wheel spins tested next to my methods and method others have shared

I’ve never baited or declined to share a secret

I’ve also made a forum in regards to lankys method and shared with everyone.

I’ve spent hours structuring a forum with clear rules in regards to a system of play. Took me many days

I give back.  So watch who you call ungrateful. You bait.

Who else spends hours making a forum with threads exposing how to play a strategy? Me.

YOU are counter productive

Share the method man let’s go
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 22, 02:24 PM 2017
Thanks Rich....lets see where this goes

Till Tuesday then !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 02:31 PM 2017
C'mon, stop fighting each other...

Let Steven work on it...

I believe his word

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Lucky7Red on Sep 22, 02:37 PM 2017
If you don't tell us the missing part I will smash my keyboard.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 02:40 PM 2017
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 22, 03:06 PM 2017
Obviously didnt like being told that there was no bamboo shoots left
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 22, 03:36 PM 2017
Steven1212 wrote:
Quote
To be honest, since I have posted the basics of my system all you guys have done is make it more complicated and less efficient. My best advice to you when I reveal my secret is take my word for it, go play, don’t try to change a thing, and come back to thank me every week after your withdrawal

Just remember it was JohnLegend, amk and myself that invented the code 4 originally. This what u based your basics on.
If your new plan is based on the 'database' idea yet again I am skeptical if it can be as 'invincible' as you claim - but for now I give you the benefit of the doubt, Steven and await to see. Thanks for your help on this.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 04:08 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 02:40 PM 2017
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Lol only the Keyboard....:)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 04:16 PM 2017
Guys, please accept this truth ... you can't win long term with bets placed according the table layout...

I have tried a lot of stragedies .... dozens,columns,streets, permutations etc... none worked long term..
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 04:16 PM 2017
Steven1212

Many people here expect an opportunity to fulfill their dreams, to get back what life has taken away. We are decent people looking for an opportunity to get there. You gave us this hope.

It's Friday! It's a good day to make our dreams come true.

I believe we will all be grateful for a lifetime.

Cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 04:25 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 04:16 PM 2017


It's Friday!

Cheers






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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:30 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 03:36 PM 2017
Steven1212 wrote:
Just remember it was JohnLegend, amk and myself that invented the code 4 originally. This what u based your basics on.
If your new plan is based on the 'database' idea yet again I am skeptical if it can be as 'invincible' as you claim - but for now I give you the benefit of the doubt, Steven and await to see. Thanks for your help on this.

Regards,
A.

This complaint was not aimed at you. As a matter of fact, in my original post I thanked you and out you out of all on a pedestal cause I couldn’t have done without you. This is why I’m still hanging around you.

And yes my system is still based on the data base so thank you for the benefit of the doubt. However the bet selection has changed in the past four years. Drastically.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:33 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 22, 04:16 PM 2017
Guys, please accept this truth ... you can't win long term with bets placed according the table layout...

I have tried a lot of stragedies .... dozens,columns,streets, permutations etc... none worked long term..


That’s because you’re not good enoug. I can’t stand people who say things aren’t possible because they themselves didn’t manage.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:34 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 04:16 PM 2017
Steven1212

Many people here expect an opportunity to fulfill their dreams, to get back what life has taken away. We are decent people looking for an opportunity to get there. You gave us this hope.

It's Friday! It's a good day to make our dreams come true.

I believe we will all be grateful for a lifetime.

Cheers

Andre, at some point in my life I was you. It’s coming. I promess that I won’t disappear for threee years without revealing it. I have enjoyed sufficiently on my own for 36 months. Time to share .....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 22, 04:39 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:33 PM 2017
That’s because you’re not good enoug. I can’t stand people who say things aren’t possible because they themselves didn’t manage.

Want success? Talk less. Do more.
I also don't stand people who just talk for nothing... i have my own system and i do make money... don't judge people too early
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 06:45 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 04:34 PM 2017
Andre, at some point in my life I was you. It’s coming. I promess that I won’t disappear for threee years without revealing it. I have enjoyed sufficiently on my own for 36 months. Time to share .....

ok so lets get back on topic

this is a tweak to the original method, the pdf document you shared on page 9?

has not busted once in three years?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 06:46 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 06:45 PM 2017
ok so lets get back on topic

this is a tweak to the original method, the pdf document you shared on page 9?

has not busted once in three years?

My system can’t bust. With patience you’ll always be green.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 06:46 PM 2017
is it the same method from page 9 but tweaked?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 06:51 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 06:46 PM 2017
is it the same method from page 9 but tweaked?

The secret can be applied to the bet selection described on page 9 since it was invented at the same time and it will make you money whenever you have time to sit at a roulette table for a few hours.

That being said I have improved by bet selection in the past three years just to make the play more fun and efficient. I’ll tell you about this too if you continue being nice.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 07:22 PM 2017
I'm already spending my money. I'm going to a restaurant with two blondes I hired ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:36 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 07:22 PM 2017
I'm already spending my money. I'm going to a restaurant with two blondes I hired ...

I hope they were 150 each and that you will cover them in two spins.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 09:20 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 22, 08:36 PM 2017
I hope they were 150 each and that you will cover them in two spins.

Haha... Just kidding
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 03:47 AM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 22, 09:20 PM 2017
Haha... Just kidding

You know that my secret could me applied to make your hit and run system pretty invincible too, now that I think about it ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 23, 04:36 AM 2017
I read page9, code4 understood what Steve's idea is all about.

This idea can be remodeled to adapt it to dilute the impact of zero - this is highly recommended. For 5steps marty,  243 consecutive wins is just one cycle, meaning one loss is -243chips. Can you be so unlucky for that last 11sequence to repeat as per that particular pdf sequence at the time of your play, IDK? Whatever you still need to win consecutively 243times for one full cycle.

Tbh, such steep marty is not my style of play at b&m casino - too risky and returns just way too small, meaning poor risk reward ratio - no gain actually. Well, Steve says he has secret sauce, so I'll wait to see how this risk reward ratio can be improved.

Meanwhile, I ran some test on random numbers an idea spawned from code4 based on flatbet - average of 9wins every 150spins with minimal drawdown, looks pretty good, now testing with live data from local b&m, see if this winrate holds up over larger live sample.....lets see.....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 04:40 AM 2017
Thanks for the message man. Don’t waste too much time of testing millions of numbers. My secret makes it adaptable to every kind of risk level you may wanna take. And it makes it bullet proof. Soon you’ll know....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 23, 06:19 AM 2017
Trying to find some information about Code 4. Is this the best thread to read about it? link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9537.0
Atlantis had some tweaked version about it, but I can't find it. Somebody know?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 06:48 AM 2017
Hi boyd30,

I believe that this was the first topic about CODE 4
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.0
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 23, 09:01 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 23, 06:48 AM 2017
Hi boyd30,

I believe that this was the first topic about CODE 4
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.0

Thank you Atlantis! I will look into it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 09:03 AM 2017
Fyi, I just played 3 hours of my system as I got tempted with all our talks. Hadn't played it in several month. Result 33% roi un 3 jours. Conclusion it still works.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 23, 09:40 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 09:03 AM 2017
Fyi, I just played 3 hours of my system as I got tempted with all our talks. Hadn't played it in several month. Result 33% roi un 3 jours. Conclusion it still works.
Assume your br is 243units, 81units over 3hrsx60=180spins is normal rate. When you're up 2430units, that'll be 10cycles then you might have something. For it to be even considered a possible winnable system, you got to be looking at 2430units x 5 = 12150units. The approximate eta is 12150units/81unitsx3hrs = 450hrs. Assume 5hrs of play a day, that's 90days away. Still 2430units is the first milestone to achieve ie. 2430units/81unitsx3hrs = 90hrs/5hrs per day = 18days away.

IF I understand your method correctly especially as to this br of 5steps marty, that's what it is. That's why I'm lukewarm to your system no matter.  :xd: not knocking your system but stating it as it is.

*this calculations is to take into consideration the risk of ruin
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 09:46 AM 2017
Ok. Fair enough cht. But remember if you "assume" something you'll almost always be wrong.
We don't know his bet selection OR his progression steps yet... However, its good to state abt the maths and cycles relating to a marty on this.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Ramon on Sep 23, 10:15 AM 2017
Da kann ich auch was dazu sagen. Hoffe jemand kann mich auch verstehen :d
Und zwar spiele ich auch schon eine Weile in online Casinos verschiedene Spiele.
Das meiste was ich bisher echt gespielt habe war Roulette :) Infos habe ich mir bei automatenspielex.com/casino-echtgeld/roulette (link:://:.automatenspielex.com/casino-echtgeld/roulette) geholt und bin wirklich sehr zufrieden ^^

Aber jeder hat seine eigene Meinung.
Ich bin aber sehr sehr zufrieden.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 10:20 AM 2017
Personally, I am glad to hear that Steven1212 has played recently and reports it is still winning. :)
This is good news indeed.
Now even though Steven1212 assures us that "with patience you'll always be green"  to assuage the fears of cht and in everyone's interest it will be very important to test the accuracy of his bet selection to see how it holds up. I know he says it does - which is music to our ears - but many will want to PROVE it to themselves first by doing a series of tests before even considering playing for real....  To this end, Steve recommends large scale testing and analysis with something like RXtreme (if that is possible)
I don't think there will be any shortage of ppl wanting to give a full test drive when the time comes around.
I am sure Steven1212 will be given due credit for his discovery and for the reveal (when it comes) and I hope his express wishes for no undue negativity or insults be taken into account during the ensuing period. Let's stay calm, work together and stay positive and be constructive when we get down to discussing his method in detail.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: wiggy on Sep 23, 10:32 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 23, 10:20 AM 2017

I am sure Steven1212 will be given due credit for his discovery and for the reveal (when it comes) and I hope his express wishes for no undue negativity or insults be taken into account during the ensuing period. Let's stay calm, work together and stay positive and be constructive when we get down to discussing his method in detail.

Speak for yourself and don't try and influence other people's thoughts. I (and a few others) will know straight away after reading it if it has any merit or not and won't be afraid to say so.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:06 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 23, 09:46 AM 2017
Ok. Fair enough cht. But remember if you "assume" something you'll almost always be wrong.
We don't know his bet selection OR his progression steps yet... However, its good to state abt the maths and cycles relating to a marty on this.

His assumptions are wrong indeed. But it’s normal. You all will know soon ....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:09 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 23, 10:20 AM 2017
Personally, I am glad to hear that Steven1212 has played recently and reports it is still winning. :)
This is good news indeed.
Now even though Steven1212 assures us that "with patience you'll always be green"  to assuage the fears of cht and in everyone's interest it will be very important to test the accuracy of his bet selection to see how it holds up. I know he says it does - which is music to our ears - but many will want to PROVE it to themselves first by doing a series of tests before even considering playing for real....  To this end, Steve recommends large scale testing and analysis with something like RXtreme (if that is possible)
I don't think there will be any shortage of ppl wanting to give a full test drive when the time comes around.
I am sure Steven1212 will be given due credit for his discovery and for the reveal (when it comes) and I hope his express wishes for no undue negativity or insults be taken into account during the ensuing period. Let's stay calm, work together and stay positive and be constructive when we get down to discussing his method in detail.

I’ve explained before that I find testing on several million spins stupid, because no one can play continuously for that long, but that being said, and i know it’s a bold claim, i believe my system would survive the 1 million spin testing. And most likely make profit. And huge one.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 11:10 AM 2017
Quote from: wiggy on Sep 23, 10:32 AM 2017
Speak for yourself and don't try and influence other people's thoughts. I (and a few others) will know straight away after reading it if it has any merit or not and won't be afraid to say so.

As will I wiggy... and I am not afraid to speak MY mind either - if it comes to that.
If, like you, I found there is no merit in it I would say so too in that case.
I am sure the moderators would be keeping a close eye on matters if anything were to get out of hand or become unruly as a result. Really, really hope it doesn't do that.

A. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:11 AM 2017
Quote from: wiggy on Sep 23, 10:32 AM 2017
Speak for yourself and don't try and influence other people's thoughts. I (and a few others) will know straight away after reading it if it has any merit or not and won't be afraid to say so.

It’s soooo sooooo difficult for me to not throw my phone at the wall when I read messages like this. I’m having a really hard time tolerating such stupidity ....

I wonder who do you think you are and how clever you think you are to claim that you can tell in a second if the system I worked for 5 years is good or not? I would pay so much to be able to blOck you from reading about it when I reveal it. You’re disrespectful and don’t deserve it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 23, 11:12 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:06 AM 2017
His assumptions are wrong indeed. But it’s normal. You all will know soon ....
Without details, I work on what facts are revealed this far on page9. Good that you confirm that the model I presented is wrong else there's nothing else left to go on with.

Present the latest complete details and I'll have no problem to rework the model accurately to present to everyone what to expect from your latest system. Lets see what you've got...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 23, 11:24 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 22, 05:21 AM 2017
There is only one thing you know that is due in roulette, it's when you start the 1st spin, all 37 non-hit numbers are now going to hit in X spins.
The X spins is the puzzle, but all puzzle can be completed
Another 8 pages and the audience still waits, what a laugh,  :lol:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:24 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 23, 11:24 AM 2017
Another 8 pages and the audience still waits, what a laugh,  :lol:

But at least there’s a set delivery date now !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 23, 11:38 AM 2017
ok joker >:D
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 23, 01:13 PM 2017
I know that feeling about sharing stuff. Some people just don't deserve it.

Keep up the good work and share it Monday at 23.59  :lol:

Now a serious question. You tested this for 3 years now. About how many sessions are we talking here ? (1? 100? 1000? More? )

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 01:18 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 23, 01:13 PM 2017
I know that feeling about sharing stuff. Some people just don't deserve it.

Keep up the good work and share it Monday at 23.59  :lol:

I’ve played it for thousands of sessions. But I had stopped for a long time. Revisiting it now. And I’ll post on TUeSDay a 23:59! And 59 seconds. It’s my deadline!

Now a serious question. You tested this for 3 years now. About how many sessions are we talking here ? (1? 100? 1000? More? )
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 23, 01:44 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:11 AM 2017
It’s soooo sooooo difficult for me to not throw my phone at the wall when I read messages like this. I’m having a really hard time tolerating such stupidity ....

I wonder who do you think you are and how clever you think you are to claim that you can tell in a second if the system I worked for 5 years is good or not? I would pay so much to be able to blOck you from reading about it when I reveal it. You’re disrespectful and don’t deserve it.

stop playing games

if you dont want to share anything then dont

threads like this get pathetic fast

"i have a secret and im not telling you na na na na poo poo" so pathetic

can we make a new rule here? adults only 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 01:45 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 01:18 PM 2017


Thousands. It can’t lose. At the end you always win.
And my deadline being Tuesday, I think I’ll rather post on Tuesday and not Monday at 23:59
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 01:46 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 23, 01:44 PM 2017
stop playing games

if you dont want to share anything then dont

threads like this get pathetic fast

"i have a secret and im not telling you na na na na poo poo" so pathetic

can we make a new rule here? adults only

Dude how many times do I need to tell you that I need time to write it down. We said Tuesday. Give me a f.... break
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 23, 02:02 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 01:46 PM 2017
Dude how many times do I need to tell you that I need time to write it down. We said Tuesday. Give me a f.... break

Guys stop this fight please.
Our smart Steven will reveal his secret on Tuesday ... let's just hope he will do what he has promessed
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 23, 02:06 PM 2017
Give Steven time to write his system. Rendezvous Tuesday, enjoy your weekend people.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: celescliff on Sep 23, 02:15 PM 2017
I agree. The last ten pages have been nothing but garbage. He has til tuesday, just wait.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Sep 23, 02:35 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:06 AM 2017You all will know soon ....

It's good that you have confidence, and keep that going... but then (?) i guess you'd be humbled, one way or another,...even the "best system" won't win more than 80% of the time, (random bets),--> *carpet-based systems*...(with or without progression)... that's my experience anyway, and i've invented more than 500+ systems/strategies....STILL i can't get a better winrate than 80%, AND i tried to tell Steve today about the importance of moneymanagement, still, HE didn't believe it, .......so, if your system is not "wheel-based" hey? we all KNOW, carpet-based systems *can't* get a better winrate than 80%....believe me i've tried....??

who is the fool here? we'll see,,.?? :S
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 23, 02:43 PM 2017
C'mon guys! I don't believe what is happening here... People fighting and insulting eachl other.

This forum is for help

Give a break to steven1212...

He is working hard to share his system. It take time to write all here.

Stop fighting each other and let's give some credit to steven1212.

Calm down an wait till Tuesday.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Sep 23, 02:50 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 23, 02:43 PM 2017C'mon guys! I don't believe what is happening here... People fighting and insulting eachl other.

This forum is for help

yes? it's for "help"? and im just sharing what i "know", .....take it or leave it,?? im not trying to insult or fight,..but i doubt from a first time poster it would be a "professional super secret wheel based system", just trying to be realistic?? :/
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 02:53 PM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 23, 02:35 PM 2017
It's good that you have confidence, and keep that going... but then (?) i guess you'd be humbled, one way or another,...even the "best system" won't win more than 80% of the time, (random bets),--> *carpet-based systems*...(with or without progression)... that's my experience anyway, and i've invented more than 500+ systems/strategies....STILL i can't get a better winrate than 80%, AND i tried to tell Steve today about the importance of moneymanagement, still, HE didn't believe it, .......so, if your system is not "wheel-based" hey? we all KNOW, carpet-based systems *can't* get a better winrate than 80%....believe me i've tried....??

who is the fool here? we'll see,,.?? :S

Say no more Ignatus. You’re getting close to my secret. Shhhhhh don’t ruin my entrance!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 02:54 PM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 23, 02:50 PM 2017
yes? it's for "help"? and im just sharing what i "know", .....take it or leave it,?? im not trying to insult or fight,..but i doubt from a first time poster it would be a "professional super secret wheel based system", just trying to be realistic?? :/

First time poster ? ???
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Sep 23, 02:58 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 02:54 PM 2017
First time poster ? ???

Alright, i say no more, sry  ::) I wish you luck
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 23, 03:10 PM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 23, 02:58 PM 2017
Alright, i say no more, sry  ::) I wish you luck

Besides the agressitvity, your message was definitely the most clever intervention so far. You understand more than others
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 23, 03:16 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 11:11 AM 2017It’s soooo sooooo difficult for me to not throw my phone at the wall when I read messages like this. I’m having a really hard time tolerating such stupidity ....
If you are motivated then nothing anyone says will stop you

You have choices like blocking members or just ignoring them.

People here like to read a new idea, but wont be swayed on what they "know" will work or wont.

You wont get someone who knows the game inside out agreeing with you if he feels it wont work. Its called debate.

Lets just keep insults to a minimum. Respected members like Atlantis and Rg would love to be presented with something they never thought of....believe me. People like Wiggy may not believe it. Deal with it. He has a say as much as the next man.

Comedians of a high standing will tell you how many times they were booed off stage before they established their status.

You are getting booed off stage at the moment because you have established nothing here yet.

It has to be the best show anyone saw on Tuesday, or you will get booed off stage (you bigged it up, not the forum members).

Thats life.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 23, 08:32 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 01:45 PM 2017

And my deadline being Tuesday, I think I’ll rather post on Tuesday and not Monday at 23:59



Do you know for sure what exact time on Tuesday is this deadline (as per GMT  or UTC) ?

Otherwise, you might inadvertently miss this deadline because of time zone differences -- and you know that that will result in more howling and shouting that will be hurled in your direction.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 23, 09:03 PM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 23, 02:50 PM 2017
yes? it's for "help"? and im just sharing what i "know", .....take it or leave it,?? im not trying to insult or fight,..but i doubt from a first time poster it would be a "professional super secret wheel based system", just trying to be realistic?? :/

I was not complaining or talking about you.

Take it easy
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:08 AM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 23, 08:32 PM 2017

Do you know for sure what exact time on Tuesday is this deadline (as per GMT  or UTC) ?

Otherwise, you might inadvertently miss this deadline because of time zone differences -- and you know that that will result in more howling and shouting that will be hurled in your direction.

I’ll post when I can. If it’s in the first minute of Wednesday then that’s the way it ll be. And if the dictators decide to block me then so be it. You guys will all be the one losing not me.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 01:13 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:08 AM 2017
I’ll post when I can. If it’s in the first minute of Wednesday then that’s the way it ll be. And if the dictators decide to block me then so be it. You guys will all be the one losing not me.
If come Wednesday, there's nothing posted the mod/admin is expected to lock this thread as should be if you have not requested any extension of deadline. You have the option to open a new thread if you so choose to, nobody's stopping you when you have something real, detail and complete to share.

There's nothing to lose for anyone since there's nothing in the 1st place when it comes to that. Still eta close of Tuesday.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 24, 01:14 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:08 AM 2017
I’ll post when I can. If it’s in the first minute of Wednesday then that’s the way it ll be. And if the dictators decide to block me then so be it. You guys will all be the one losing not me.

😂 So now you moved it to wednesday
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 01:44 AM 2017
This is truly pitiful to watch

My advice to members here is to move on

His plan from day 1 was to not share anything and to blame the forum and/or ungrateful people

Hang a carrot on a stick then say “I’m not sharing because....”

This is classic. How many times have we seen this?

There is nothing of significance to be shared. He is getting jollies off other peoples suspense. Jesus Christ. Wake up

He will decline to share. He will blame the moderators, ungrateful people, or anything else. This is a joke.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 02:58 AM 2017
I didn’t say I wasn’t sharing. I am sharing so give me a break ghost. All I said is enough with your pressure. I’m the one with the system. I’m making the rules. Period. I should be ready for Tuesday but if I’m a few hours late this will be like this wether you like It or not. And if the thread is closed blame the moderators not me. I’m not baiting. I gave you a real system already. And I’m about to make it a whole lot better. But when I decide. Not when you do
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Lucky7Red on Sep 24, 02:59 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:08 AM 2017
And if the dictators decide to block me then so be it. You guys will all be the one losing not me.
I want your system now  >:( or I will smash my keyboard on your face   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:09 AM 2017
@ moderators: is there a way to request the ban of some from this thread, such as lucky red or the people who told my system is not working before they even had a chance to read it ? If it is possible and I can send you my post, I commit to cancel everything I have plan in the next six hours even though it’s a beautiful sunny Sunday and i commit to post the full system in details in the coming hours.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:42 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 23, 02:53 PM 2017
Say no more Ignatus. You’re getting close to my secret. Shhhhhh don’t ruin my entrance!

I think Lucky7red only joking...

Leaving aside the 0
If it were wheel based then you could have a long string code of 36 chars starting from 32 going clockwise on the single 0:

3c2a2b3b3c3a3b3b2a1c2c1b2a1a2b1a1b1b

But if you started one number after you would have a different 36 char combo string....

eg: next string would start at "15" so that one would begin:

2a1c.....etc

Join 'em all up and you could have a huge data string of 36x36 chars in code 4 format as database.

Hmmm. Now that's quite interesting. ermm.. I think!? :ooh: :question:

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 03:43 AM 2017
Untill you publish you are nothing  but empty words. Only ur evidence will  prove that. I would suggest moderator to ban u even u r 1 sec late. Dont bullshit too much just come back you are ready. Dont give a lame excuse that i dont have keyboard. Once ur system is tested by respected member and come out as grail then ur credit is due.no one is asking ur system but u r giving it willingly. Come back 6 yr later no one cares.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:55 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 03:43 AM 2017
Untill you publish you are nothing  but empty words. Only ur evidence will  prove that. I would suggest moderator to ban u even u r 1 sec late. Dont bullshit too much just come back you are ready. Dont give a lame excuse that i dont have keyboard. Once ur system is tested by respected member and come out as grail then ur credit is due.no one is asking ur system but u r giving it willingly. Come back 6 yr later no one cares.

Moderators can I ban this idiot too ? By the way I have already contributed a lot to this forum with several systems. You’re more nothing than I am.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:56 AM 2017
I can’t believe why everyone is so angry at me just because I’m asking for a few days to write things. Are you impatient ? Are you bitter ? Or you’re just so désillusioned in life that you don’t believe in anything anymore ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Sep 24, 04:16 AM 2017
I can't wait until Tuesday. My hernia operation is tomorrow and I have to pay for it before they start.
Insurance won't pay for my hernia operation because it happened while trying to lift my keyboard off the desk, but some smart arse super glued it down.

Now my keyboard is broken too, and I have no money to fix my hernia.

My life is a mess. Could you please reveal the secret missing holy grail bits now so I can gamble all night long and hopefully earn enough money to pay for my operation, and a new keyboard?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:19 AM 2017
Q. What did one keyboard say to the other keyboard?

A. Sorry, you're not my type.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 24, 04:21 AM 2017
taotie and atlantis you did make me laugh.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Sep 24, 04:25 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:19 AM 2017
Q. What did one keyboard say to the other keyboard?

A. Sorry, you're not my type.

I was going to plug my laptop into my hi-fi but was worried I might end up stereotyping.


I love pressing the F5 key. It’s refreshing.


I decided to take the really big key off my keyboard and throw it away. It’s a waste of space.


I dropped a really big crumb on my laptop keyboard. Turned out to be nothing to worry about, though, it’s under Ctrl.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:26 AM 2017
Oh well - ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!

<Hit any user to continue>
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:36 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Sep 24, 04:16 AM 2017
I can't wait until Tuesday. My hernia operation is tomorrow and I have to pay for it before they start.
Insurance won't pay for my hernia operation because it happened while trying to lift my keyboard off the desk, but some smart arse super glued it down.

Now my keyboard is broken too, and I have no money to fix my hernia.

My life is a mess. Could you please reveal the secret missing holy grail bits now so I can gamble all night long and hopefully earn enough money to pay for my operation, and a new keyboard?

Thanks.

First part of my secret: remove the word holy grail from your vocabulary. It’s a stupid concept.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 04:47 AM 2017
Seems moderator is ur father and you are asking loolies. Dont bark too much. And i dont dump rubbish on forum. And dont u get why people are angry? And who the hell r u to ask the mod to ban lucky7? Till now no constructive discussion from  you rather than barking to ban this or that.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 05:02 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:42 AM 2017
I think Lucky7red only joking...

Leaving aside the 0
If it were wheel based then you could have a long string code of 36 chars starting from 32 going clockwise on the single 0:

3c2a2b3b3c3a3b3b2a1c2c1b2a1a2b1a1b1b

But if you started one number after you would have a different 36 char combo string....

eg: next string would start at "15" so that one would begin:

2a1c.....etc

Join 'em all up and you could have a huge data string of 36x36 chars in code 4 format as database.

Hmmm. Now that's quite interesting. ermm.. I think!? :ooh: :question:

A.
Have you looked at ECs in place of doz/col?

Example -
R=1 ,B=2, H=a, L=b, O=p ,E=q

12, 24, 32, 7, 8, 26, 15, 35, 3
translated to -
1aq1bq2ap or
b2qb2qb2p or
q2ap2ap2b or ......and so on(6combi)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:02 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 04:47 AM 2017
Seems moderator is ur father and you are asking loolies. Dont bark too much. And i dont dump rubbish on forum. And dont u get why people are angry? And who the hell r u to ask the mod to ban lucky7? Till now no constructive discussion from  you rather than barking to ban this or that.

Saying no constructive  discussion came from this thread is the proof that you’re either a fool or an ignorant who didn’t actually read it. Because we discussed for 24 pages on of the highest accuracy net selection available on this forum.

Who am I you ask ? I’m the only person with a long term working roulette system. Isn’t that enough to make the rules ? You should kneel down in front of me and beg me to give it to you (although it’s not what I’m asking. I just want peace and to be respected). But no, instead a bunch of retards like you have to spend their day insulting me and disrespecting me for no reason. I said I will write it down for next week. Why can’t we be silent until then ? Why can’t you keep you mouth shut and bother someone else and leave me in peace ? No instead a little group of idiots decide to insult from now until Tuesday for no reason. Control your self. Go see a movie have a coffee and stop annoying me. Come back on Tuesday and if you don’t see anything on here then feel free to insult me. But until then, what give you the right to put my credibility into question ? Pffff....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 24, 05:11 AM 2017
All that writing must of took a lot of time.
Tick tock!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 05:15 AM 2017
Are you sure you are the only one who got long term profitable system? No one else? Does your system earn $1/spin at least? Fair enough u ask for time but not to ask ban people.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:21 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 05:15 AM 2017
Are you sure you are the only one who got long term profitable system? No one else? Does your system earn $1/spin at least? Fair enough u ask for time but not to ask ban people.

With my bank roll I’m closer to 75£ per spin.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 05:27 AM 2017
Whats ur bank roll?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:30 AM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 24, 05:11 AM 2017
All that writing must of took a lot of time.
Tick tock!

Ah my favorite moderator and his threats and ultimatums !!!! You just gave me another idea, let’s see how you like that ?

I’m going to select a few people in this thread (that I like) and I will give them the opportunity to contact me o Skype or WhatsApp call between today and Tuesday. They will be my witnesses. They will be able to testify for me because I will take 15 minutes to explain my system to them. Then they can come back to this forum and tell you if it’s real or not. And when they tell you how real it is, if you want me to post it in here, i will need a few of you to change your attitude forwards me. I don’t know yet if I’m gonna go to the point of asking for public apologies, but at least to stop disrespecting me and insulting before I even spoke.
I had agreed to your ultimatum at first but now you’re just provoking me with your tik tok. Don’t forget who’s holding the treasure here, so I will not let you take me for a ride like you are doing.

The first two people of my choice to reveal my system are Atlantis, and Andre Chass. I’ll add another two or three between now and Tuesday so you have enough testimonies.

If Atlantis and Andre are interested to be part of this trial, pm me and I’ll tell we figure out a time to speak.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:32 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 05:27 AM 2017
Whats ur bank roll?

At this moment 138k but it’s a football betting account. I only play roulette a few times a month. And to be able to play for 75 per chip with my system you need between 12k and 15k of bankroll depending on the variant.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:41 AM 2017
In addition of Atlantis and Andre, I add IGNATUS
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 05:43 AM 2017
15 k bank roll to play? Cammon i hope u r not joking. I am asking what is the minimum bakroll do you need to paly? If $1 is minimum and starting bet
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:45 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 05:43 AM 2017
15 k bank roll to play? Cammon i hope u r not joking. I am asking what is the minimum bakroll do you need to paly? If $1 is minimum and starting bet

100 dollars is plenty.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 05:47 AM 2017
If $1 is you staring bet what is ur earning per spin on average?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:49 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 05:47 AM 2017
If $1 is you staring bet what is ur earning per spin on average?

You’ll get all the details you need when I write down and reveal the full system
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 24, 06:02 AM 2017
Has anyone tried this system? I tried it for real with small units. It went well but once it came to the 4th step. It scared me so maybe it's better to wait for Steven to reveal it with tweaks. Is it possible with flatbetting or a progression is needed?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:03 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 24, 06:02 AM 2017
Has anyone tried this system? I tried it for real with small units. It went well but once it came to the 4th step. It scared me so maybe it's better to wait for Steven to reveal it with tweaks. Is it possible with flatbetting or a progression is needed?

Wait for the last ingredient. You’ll be safe.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 06:05 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 24, 06:02 AM 2017
Has anyone tried this system? I tried it for real with small units. It went well but once it came to the 4th step. It scared me so maybe it's better to wait for Steven to reveal it with tweaks. Is it possible with flatbetting or a progression is needed?
Yup the progression is too large. That's why I'm looking at EC in place of doz/col. It looks pretty good and stable. There's also this opportune to create plenty more combi for more play per spin.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:08 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 24, 06:05 AM 2017
Yup the progression is too large. That's why I'm looking at EC in place of doz/col. It looks pretty good.

Why not, but that’s not how you solve the progression issue. You’ll find out how when I reveal my last ingredient.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 24, 06:09 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:03 AM 2017
Wait for the last ingredient. You’ll be safe.

I'll take your word. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:10 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 24, 06:09 AM 2017
I'll take your word. I'll wait.

How refreshing, finally someone who is willing to give me the bénéfice of the doubt

How long have you been playing the roulette ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Lucky7Red on Sep 24, 06:11 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:42 AM 2017
I think Lucky7red only joking...

Well Atlantis is right, it was just a damn good joke. I don't like to hide that I am roulette loser so my apologize to Steven.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:12 AM 2017
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Sep 24, 06:11 AM 2017
Well Atlantis is right, it was just a damn good joke. I don't like to hide that I am roulette loser so my apologize to Steven.

Didn’t ask for that much, but much appreciated. Thanks a lot mate for giving me the chance to prove I’m not lying.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 06:14 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:08 AM 2017
Why not, but that’s not how you solve the progression issue. You’ll find out how when I reveal my last ingredient.
Well with your last ingredient, conceptwise, combined with my array of EC codes that should do wonders. I'll stick with EC no matter unless there's reason for doz/col. Lets see....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:18 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 24, 06:14 AM 2017
Well with your last ingredient, conceptwise, combined with my array of EC codes that should do wonders. I'll stick with EC no matter unless there's reason for doz/col. Lets see....

You can stick with ec by all means if it fits more your style of play. The last ingredient will make it water tight no matter what you decide to go for.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 06:25 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:18 AM 2017
You can stick with ec by all means if it fits more your style of play. The last ingredient will make it water tight no matter what you decide to go for.
Great. I created the EC codes on excel that makes it more visible and easier to handle.

link:s://i.gyazo.com/faa134371443436e022dbb36d1e68492.png
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:26 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 24, 06:25 AM 2017
Great. I created the EC codes on excel that makes it more visible and easier to handle.

link:s://i.gyazo.com/faa134371443436e022dbb36d1e68492.png

What progression do you have in mind ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 06:30 AM 2017
In 2011 JohnLegend wrote:

Quote
The informed and wise have known for many years that Roulette has achille's heels. And if you look deep enough into it you literally take randoms legs away altogether. For some years I suspected random has trouble doing certain things with consistent efficiency, so as to be exploitable in a profiting method.

Might we have to bring Einstein himself back to life to concede he was very wrong about his conclusive views towards the games invincibility?

:)
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 06:31 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:26 AM 2017
What progression do you have in mind ?
I've not decided on any definitive progression yet as I'm still in the testing mode to see the extremities with my local b&m casino spins, that's where I'll play anyway.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:38 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 24, 06:31 AM 2017
I've not decided on any definitive progression yet as I'm still in the testing mode to see the extremities with my local b&m casino spins, that's where I'll play anyway.

Don’t go to the Casino until I’ve taught you how to play. Because at this stage you’re not ready to walk out a winner.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 06:44 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:38 AM 2017
Don’t go to the Casino until I’ve taught you how to play. Because at this stage you’re not ready to walk out a winner.
Ok, no hurry there, I wait for your pointers. Meanwhile I stick to my bacs game.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Kattila on Sep 24, 06:48 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 06:30 AM 2017
In 2011 JohnLegend wrote:

Might we have to bring Einstein himself back to life to concede he was very wrong about his conclusive views towards the games invincibility?

:)
A.


Random have a big enemy ......order/patterns....even if some think that they are just
an ilussion.....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:49 AM 2017
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 24, 06:48 AM 2017

Random have a big enemy ......order/patterns....even if some think that they are just
an ilussion.....

I remember you. Long time no see. Have you been watching this thread again ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 24, 06:50 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:10 AM 2017
How refreshing, finally someone who is willing to give me the bénéfice of the doubt

How long have you been playing the roulette ?

Many years. Since online play was available around year 2000. Been to real casino as well, but mostly online play. It's a fascinating game.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:54 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 24, 06:50 AM 2017
Many years. Since online play was available around year 2000. Been to real casino as well, but mostly online play. It's a fascinating game.

Can you live off of your profits by now ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 24, 07:02 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 06:54 AM 2017
Can you live off of your profits by now ?

No. Are you joking? I'm still looking for a winning system (like most people do I guess).
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 07:19 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 24, 07:02 AM 2017
No. Are you joking? I'm still looking for a winning system (like most people do I guess).

Sorry. 17 years and still not working. At least you have perseverance.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 24, 07:27 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 07:19 AM 2017
Sorry. 17 years and still not working. At least you have perseverance.

Don't be sorry. I guess there are many out there looking, if not for a grail but at least be able making profit from it. I think not many succed.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 24, 07:56 AM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 24, 07:27 AM 2017
Don't be sorry. I guess there are many out there looking, if not for a grail but at least be able making profit from it. I think not many succed.

Of course, the doubt is  there but the HOPE is always there.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 10:12 AM 2017
Started writing down the system. Before I publish it, I’d like to make a little poll and ask you a question.

Imagine you play code 4 invincible as described on page 9, with a 80 unit progression (4 steps). So you need to win 80 times to close a cycle.

I ask you to play one session everyday for one month, until you either reach the 80 unit profit, or until you bust. Out of 30 days/sessions, how many times do you think you would bust and how many time would you reach the target ?

Don’t give me the stupid answer that we could lose it every day on the first try. Everything is possible of course but that would be a stupid answer to which I could argue that you could also win it everyday.

So what are your thoughts ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 11:17 AM 2017
Hi Steven,

Quote
Don’t give me the stupid answer that we could lose it every day on the first try. Everything is possible of course but that would be a stupid answer to which I could argue that you could also win it everyday.

My thoughts are simply that if you won more days at +80 than you lost at -80 over a month then you would be showing a profit! And not all losses would be the full +80 depending on any profit obtained before the unwelcome loss arrived... :)

However, In your scenario it *could* lose every day all the same. Not necessarily on the first try but sometime during those 80 attempts per day...

Granted not every loss would be the full 80u unless as you said it happened on the very first attempt every day.
But losses are losses and they have to be recouped.

It's difficult to know exactly how many spins you are going to play or bet on either... because a win can come on any of the 4 spins in order to profit by +1. Let's say an avg of 2 spin attempts to gain a win?  = around 160+ betting spins..
I suppose you might get a couple of blow-outs during that!? I never tried it though. :)

Sorry if this is not the sort of answer you wanted.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 11:19 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 11:17 AM 2017
Hi Steven,

My thoughts are simply that if you won more days at +80 than you lost at -80 over a month then you would be showing a profit! And not all losses would be the full +80 depending on any profit obtained before the unwelcome loss arrived... :)

However, In your scenario it *could* lose every day all the same. Not necessarily on the first try but sometime during those 80 attempts per day...

Granted not every loss would be the full 80u unless as you said it happened on the very first attempt every day.
But losses are losses and they have to be recouped.

It's difficult to know exactly how many spins you are going to play or bet on either... because a win can come on any of the 4 spins in order to profit by +1. Let's say an avg of 2 spin attempts to gain a win?  = around 160+ betting spins..
I suppose you might get a couple of blow-outs during that!? I never tried it though. :)

Sorry if this is not the sort of answer you wanted.

A.

You’re starting to understand. Sending you the system in private message soon.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 11:20 AM 2017
The problem with a five step progression on 24 numbers is that one single bust would take 240 wins to get back

Why on earth would anyone risk that
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 11:22 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 11:20 AM 2017
The problem with a five step progression on 24 numbers is that one single bust would take 240 wins to get back

Why on earth would anyone risk that

Do you actually read my messages ? I said a 40 step progression and to simplify your life I also added it’s 80 units.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 11:24 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 11:22 AM 2017
Do you actually read my messages ? I said a 40 step progression and to simplify your life I also added it’s 80 units.

I was talking about original system

A 5 step on 24 numbers wins very often but that one loss will take 240 wins to recover

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 11:27 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 11:24 AM 2017
I was talking about original system

A 5 step on 24 numbers wins very often but that one loss will take 240 wins to recover

1. Are you in a rush ?
2. Depends at what point you lose the progression. If you lose it after 239 wins it won’t take long.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 11:28 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 11:27 AM 2017
1. Are you in a rush ?
2. Depends at what point you lose the progression. If you lose it after 239 wins it won’t take long.

Always in a rush

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 11:29 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 11:17 AM 2017
Hi Steven,

My thoughts are simply that if you won more days at +80 than you lost at -80 over a month then you would be showing a profit! And not all losses would be the full +80 depending on any profit obtained before the unwelcome loss arrived... :)

However, In your scenario it *could* lose every day all the same. Not necessarily on the first try but sometime during those 80 attempts per day...

Granted not every loss would be the full 80u unless as you said it happened on the very first attempt every day.
But losses are losses and they have to be recouped.

It's difficult to know exactly how many spins you are going to play or bet on either... because a win can come on any of the 4 spins in order to profit by +1. Let's say an avg of 2 spin attempts to gain a win?  = around 160+ betting spins..
I suppose you might get a couple of blow-outs during that!? I never tried it though. :)

Sorry if this is not the sort of answer you wanted.

A.
Tbh, that's the core of the problem that is we never know. I prefer to see hard evidence in the model of real spins at the casino we play at to gain some idea how bad those losses may come at us if it ever do.

That's why I always pursue flatbet MM and if there's progression used there must be solid justification. Then again I weigh each model with a few others to compare their risk adjusted reward. To me the practicality aspect is the most important criteria as in how much the win can be in x hrs of play at x% of risk.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 11:31 AM 2017
If Steven decides to share what he believes to be invincible with some of you through private message the only word of advice I can give is do not play a progression like that at online casino


In their terms and conditions they ban system players

Also on a long progression it’s a guarantee they will cut the feed

So do airball or something.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 11:54 AM 2017
Thanks for the PM about your system, Steven1212.  :thumbsup:

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 24, 11:58 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:30 AM 2017


I’m going to select a few people in this thread (that I like) and I will give them the opportunity to contact me o Skype or WhatsApp call between today and

The first two people of my choice to reveal my system are Atlantis, and Andre Chass. I’ll add another two or three between now and Tuesday so you have enough testimonies.

If Atlantis and Andre are interested to be part of this trial, pm me and I’ll tell we figure out a time to speak.

Hi Steven! Thank you for choosing me to share the secret! I'm waiting!

Cheers
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:04 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 11:28 AM 2017
Always in a rush

If so, you are meant for failure.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:05 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:04 PM 2017
If so, you are meant for failure.

No. I don’t have time in life to spend hours at the roulette wheel

So whether or not you share with me means nothing to me

I already predicted earlier on that this was a big joke and you wouldn’t publicly share

This is a game to you
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:08 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:05 PM 2017
No. I don’t have time in life to spend hours at the roulette wheel

So whether or not you share with me means nothing to me

I already predicted earlier on that this was a big joke and you wouldn’t publicly share

This is a game to you

Tik tok, in less than 48 hours I will embarrass you in front of everyone here.

Ps. You don’t have time in life to spend hours at The roulette but you have time to spend hours annoying me on a forum. Let me tell you mate, patience is the only required quality to succeed at roulette. It’s more important than intelligence itself. If you don’t acdept it you will never win. Fact.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:12 PM 2017
You expected many of the responses you are getting

Like you wanted it

We are here to talk roulette, not to be lectured to apologize, have patience, and wait. Maybe there’s a forum about patience somewhere
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 24, 12:15 PM 2017
Chapeau Steven!
Keep the good work up and be gentle to share it with me.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:21 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:08 PM 2017
less than 48 hours I will embarrass you in front of everyone here.



Tuesdays are no good for me....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:25 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:21 PM 2017
Tuesdays are no good for me....

This one will change your life
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 12:39 PM 2017
Welcome to "THE INVINCIBLE ROULETTE SYSTEM" A text adventure.

You stand inside the entrance door to a grand Casino.
Straight ahead to the north is the reception kiosk. To the east is a busy gaming room where you can hear the rattles and clinks of the slots, the cries and murmurs of customers, and easy listening lounge muzak.
Exits lead: north, east and out (back outside)

What now?
>east

A burly security guard appears from the shadows and blocks your movement: "Please show your card at reception, SIr."

>inventory

You own:
a membership card
$1000
a notepad

Enter your command.
>examine card

Card: It's your casino member's card with your personal pin number and signature.

What next?
>go north

You are in front of the reception desk.
A cute receptionist sits behind it.
Exits lead: south to the entrance hall and southeast to the gaming room.

Your move, buddy.
>give card to recptionist

Sorry I don't understand "recptionist".

>oops receptionist

The cute receptionist scans your card, logs you in and hand its back to you.
"Have a good evening, Mr. A."

Please type in your command.
>se

You are in the busy gaming area. A vast pleasantly decorated room with all manner of table games and banks of illuminated slots.
There are some roulette tables to the south. To the northwest is the reception area.
You can see a waitress, a pitboss and a hooker.

The hooker spots you, looks you up and down and begins to approach you...

What do you want me to do next?
>look at notebook

It is a small personal notebook. It contains the text of your "invincible" roulette system.

The hooker says: "Buy me a drink?"

Now what?
>wait

Time goes by. Nothing happens...
The pitboss watches you.
The hooker says: "Buy me a drink?"

At your command.
>slap hooker with notepad

Really! Some people.This is a non-violent game.
I'm sorry the game is over. You lost.

Do you want to try again (Y/N)?

>N

Bye then!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:48 PM 2017
Quote




falkor2k15
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« on: Dec 08, 12:41 PM 2015 »
From my last 2 tests and through inspiration from 2 topics (Basics, Random thoughts) I've utilized the left side of my brain to it's full potential in trying to understand how to beat this game of Roulette; using 100% of my brain power I present to to you my new system called The Millionaire's System - it could literally make you one overnight! I'm already several grands in profit just from 1 game!  :love:

Stay tuned whilst I go through another thought experiment on how to proceed with this disclosure! If you are my friend then please make it known now - I already know who most of my enemies are.

Falkor's friends list
orochi

Falkor's enemies
winkel
rouletteghost
priyanka
iggiv
Turner





Last time someone made a list of people to share with, he ended up having nothing

So this is why you are getting criticized

Understand this is what happens

We have been down this road before

So now only two things will happen

1- you will prove us wrong

Or

2- we are right

Until then you are just full of words and it’s  getting pathetic.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:50 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:48 PM 2017



Last time someone made a list of people to share with, he ended up having nothing

So this is why you are getting criticized

Understand this is what happens

We have been down this road before

So now only two things will happen

1- you will prove us wrong

Or

2- we are right

Until then you are just full of words and it’s  getting pathetic.

Oh wow. Thanks for sharing this I guess I understand more now why you’re being aggressive. Well I’m not this guy. Trust me.

Still funny that you’re on everyone’s black list. You should try to be friendly for a change.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:51 PM 2017
I’m kind of tempted to add you to my list now. So you can test and report to the non believers.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:53 PM 2017
It’s not that I’m not friendly

I am friendly

I’ve always been courteous to Atlantis and notto and others

But we have seen this before. So until you prove otherwise that’s where we are

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:54 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 12:53 PM 2017
It’s not that I’m not friendly

I am friendly

I’ve always been courteous to Atlantis and notto and others

But we have seen this before. So until you prove otherwise that’s where we are

Do you want to be part of the first batch to receive the system ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 24, 01:20 PM 2017
Hello Steve,

I send you a pm some days ago,  I woudl like to be in the group of people that you chose for your system.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 24, 01:24 PM 2017
I think playing it like a hit and run system can do well, but I'm not sure. Need to test it more.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 24, 01:27 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:30 AM 2017
Ah my favorite moderator and his threats and ultimatums !!!! You just gave me another idea, let’s see how you like that ?

I’m going to select a few people in this thread (that I like) and I will give them the opportunity to contact me o Skype or WhatsApp call between today and Tuesday. They will be my witnesses. They will be able to testify for me because I will take 15 minutes to explain my system to them. Then they can come back to this forum and tell you if it’s real or not. And when they tell you how real it is, if you want me to post it in here, i will need a few of you to change your attitude forwards me. I don’t know yet if I’m gonna go to the point of asking for public apologies, but at least to stop disrespecting me and insulting before I even spoke.
I had agreed to your ultimatum at first but now you’re just provoking me with your tik tok. Don’t forget who’s holding the treasure here, so I will not let you take me for a ride like you are doing.

The first two people of my choice to reveal my system are Atlantis, and Andre Chass. I’ll add another two or three between now and Tuesday so you have enough testimonies.

If Atlantis and Andre are interested to be part of this trial, pm me and I’ll tell we figure out a time to speak.
Or you could just post what you promised

You can make this about what you want. All the morons on this site. Your favorite mod....but it is purely about one thing.
Baiting and the promise of some secret method not being fullfilled.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:28 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 24, 01:27 PM 2017
Or you could just post what you promised

You can make this about what you want. All the morons on this site. Your favorite mod....but it is purely about one thing.
Baiting and the promise of some secret method not being fullfilled.

Here’s someone else who’s about to get embarrassed in front of everybody
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 24, 01:29 PM 2017
One day I said here:
Don't stop believing!

And suddenly a good soul appears to share his system....I feel good! Im happy... And Steven is to blame.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 24, 01:42 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:28 PM 2017
Here’s someone else who’s about to get embarrassed in front of everybody

Hey Steven, are you still going to publish your finding ? Or you have changed your mind ? I see a lot of debate and bullish!t here in the comments... let us know what you going do !

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Noreilles on Sep 24, 01:48 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 10:12 AM 2017
Started writing down the system. Before I publish it, I’d like to make a little poll and ask you a question.

Imagine you play code 4 invincible as described on page 9, with a 80 unit progression (4 steps). So you need to win 80 times to close a cycle.

I ask you to play one session everyday for one month, until you either reach the 80 unit profit, or until you bust. Out of 30 days/sessions, how many times do you think you would bust and how many time would you reach the target ?

Don’t give me the stupid answer that we could lose it every day on the first try. Everything is possible of course but that would be a stupid answer to which I could argue that you could also win it everyday.

So what are your thoughts ?
If we go strictly by the probability,  we should lose every day... but that's highly doubtful, 'd say more along the line of a loss every 2-3 days and even then the loss should be less than 80... the problem would be if you get losses 2-3 days in a row it raises the bankroll requirements but overall you should be in profit at the end of the month (by how much, no idea though).
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:51 PM 2017
Quote from: Noreilles on Sep 24, 01:48 PM 2017
If we go strictly by the probability,  we should lose every day... but that's highly doubtful, 'd say more along the line of a loss every 2-3 days and even then the loss should be less than 80... the problem would be if you get losses 2-3 days in a row it raises the bankroll requirements but overall you should be in profit at the end of the month (by how much, no idea though).

You’ll know soon. Glad to see some are starting to have a bit of faith.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 24, 02:15 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 01:51 PM 2017
You’ll know soon. Glad to see some are starting to have a bit of faith.

Steven,
Given all the side arguments that are going on, it is difficult to focus on the main topic of this thread.

I have a simple question for you and it would be great if you can answer it in a simple manner.

With this new tweak that you have made, can you make this method work profitably with flat betting only?

Or is it the case that even with this new tweak, a negative progression is absolutely necessary?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 02:19 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 24, 02:15 PM 2017
Steven,
Given all the side arguments that are going on, it is difficult to focus on the main topic of this thread.

I have a simple question for you and it would be great if you can answer it in a simple manner.

With this new tweak that you have made, can you make this method work profitably with flat betting only?

Or is it the case that even with this new tweak, a negative progression is absolutely necessary?

You’re going to need to wait for the full thing to get your answer. Not a long time left ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 02:31 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 24, 02:15 PM 2017
Steven,
Given all the side arguments that are going on, it is difficult to focus on the main topic of this thread.

I have a simple question for you and it would be great if you can answer it in a simple manner.

With this new tweak that you have made, can you make this method work profitably with flat betting only?

Or is it the case that even with this new tweak, a negative progression is absolutely necessary?
I have found a way to flatbet code4 on EC with low risk.

BUT the signals are few, so I'm thinking of how to increase the number of signals. Autobot scanning whole day 24/7 with online casino can do the trick but then again the casinos reliability to pay winnings is doubtful. There's also the problem of the casino rejecting membership because of system play detected. That's the status for now and I need to work with autobot programmer about this since I've no experience in this online casino area.

As I said always, practicality is the main issue. Perhaps, Steven has something better for us....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 02:40 PM 2017
Hi RG; cht,

Quote
There's also the problem of the casino rejecting membership because of system play detected.

Bots maybe... but I never had this ever happen to me and I played a LOT of systems online LIVE DEALER!
Maybe the casino's I play in just love system players; I dunno
However, they will not take kindly to regular repeat BIG WINNERS so you must have several accounts (with different online casinos, I mean) and alternate is a good idea to stay under the radar.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 02:46 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 02:40 PM 2017
Hi RG; cht,

Bots maybe... but I never had this ever happen to me and I played a LOT of systems online LIVE DEALER!
Maybe the casino's I play in just love system players; I dunno
However, they will not take kindly to regular repeat BIG WINNERS so you must have several accounts (with different online casinos, I mean) and alternate is a good idea to stay under the radar.

A.
What if the autobot place bets once every 100spins flatbets, running 24/7 has a 80+% winrate, will such autobot system be allowed to play in online live casino ? I don't know if it will work with rng but looking at the data sheet my gut tells me it should work the same. My biggest hurdle is how to go forward with this since my experience is close to zero. I need to educate myself about online casino and autobots. Any recommendations to read up or links ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:03 PM 2017
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What if the autobot place bets once every 100spins flatbets, running 24/7 has a 80+% winrate, will such autobot system be allowed to play in online live casino ?

I would imagine the roulette software client would close down due to inactivity (no betting) well before 100 spins.
Most seem to do that after just a few minutes

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:12 PM 2017
 The lack of trust in the casinos and the fear that they might be rigged (live dealer included) or refuse to pay out big amount and consistent winners is the reason why I abandoned the roulette and made football my main activity. I’m football I bet against other people’s momey and the casino takes a commission. So they pay. But it’s harder than the roulette.

Not sure I’m right or paranoid. That’s another debate. But I don’t trust the live dealers. I’ve see the 0 hits four time in a row online. And sometimes the ball looks so attracted ! Like if there was a magnet !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:15 PM 2017
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I’ve see the 0 hits four time in a row online. And sometimes the ball looks so attracted ! Like if there was a magnet !

Amazing - I saw 4 0's in a row only yesterday while playing on an online casino r.n.g!  Luckily I was not betting at the time. It's uncommon  - but sure makes you think alright. :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 03:19 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:12 PM 2017
The lack of trust in the casinos and the fear that they might be rigged (live dealer included) or refuse to pay out big amount and consistent winners is the reason why I abandoned the roulette and made football my main activity. I’m football I bet against other people’s momey and the casino takes a commission. So they pay. But it’s harder than the roulette.

Not sure I’m right or paranoid. That’s another debate. But I don’t trust the live dealers. I’ve see the 0 hits four time in a row online. And sometimes the ball looks so attracted ! Like if there was a magnet !
Same here, somehow I don't trust online casino. I speculate forex and play bacs at b&m casino. I don't trust roulette wheels at b&m casino also, that's because of weird magnet type spins that I 've seen. I can't prove it but I've seen the ball acted weird when large bets are punted, the casino cheated somehow !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 24, 03:19 PM 2017
"CODE 4 is a very simple method which was inspired by JohnLegends PATTERN 4. Its strength comes from combining dozens and columns CODE 4 DC aswell as EO and HL CODE 4 EC. EO/HL approach was established by Atlantis...

It should only be played HIT AND RUN....


                                                              CODE 4 DC

Note down the last 12 spins of dozens/columns alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide..

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                             2B1C
                             3C2A
                             2C3A
                              .........  fourth pattern


Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting on dozens 1/3 then columns A/C then dozens 2/3 then columns A/B  Playing progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9  You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However as you shall see the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...

1600 live Spielbank spins were played consecutively so we have an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like....

385 games played, 279 wins on bet 1, 65 on bet 2, 24 on bet 3, 5 on bet 4, 5 total loses...


                                                              CODE 4 EC

Note down the last 12 spins of EO/HL alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide...

Example:  E O are Even Odd, H L are High Low

                            ELEH
                            OLOH
                            EHOH
                            ......... fourth pattern

Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting OHOL. Playing progression is 1,2,4,8  If a losing game is experienced you can go to level 2 progression 3,6,12,24 for 5 games.....

During 1067 live Spielbank spins played again consecutively so we see how HIT AND RUN will perform.....

240 games played, 123 wins on bet 1, 64 wins on bet 2, 26 wins on bet 3, 14 wins on bet 4, total loses 13.


It will take all of us to perfect these methods. By sharing our data and knowledge we can forge a playing style which can hopefully make life a lot easier for all of us...."

I'd like to know if this is all about CODE 4.... Is there anything else I need to know? Am i missing something?

If someone can answee my question I would apreciate it!

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 03:21 PM 2017
I’ve had many strategies that lost due to the zero


The reason for that is I play dozen methods and the 0 isn’t part of a dozen

The math guys say insurance on 0 is stupid, but when you play a dozen method and 0 is part of no dozen it makes sense



If you play insurance on 0 it lightens losses.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:23 PM 2017
Once on the betFair life dealer I saw the 32 come out three times in row and right after the 7 come out 3 times. I said to myself that I felt bad for the poor guy who was trying to martingale on the 32 and then tried his luck on the 7!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:23 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 03:21 PM 2017
I’ve had many strategies that lost due to the zero


The reason for that is I play dozen methods and the 0 isn’t part of a dozen

The math guys say insurance on 0 is stupid, but when you play a dozen method and 0 is part of no dozen it makes sense



If you play insurance on 0 it lightens losses.

I think this might make you smile, but my system survive the casinos edge with the 0
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:25 PM 2017
Hi Andre,

That is a good read but it's old stuff that may be soon obsolete or made redundant by Steven's update...
Best wait and see eh?

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 03:26 PM 2017
Soccer is not different. Most of the matches are fixed. And odd is so low that doesnt worth playing unless u r a bookie. Ur system earn â,¬75/spin. U should abandone sports betting.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 24, 03:28 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:25 PM 2017
Hi Andre,

That is a good read but it's old stuff that may be soon obsolete or made redundant by Steven's update...
Best wait and see eh?

A.
Okay Atlantis,

I will wait!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:29 PM 2017
Hi Madi,

Sometimes I have made GUARANTEED profits from bookmakers using "matched betting" with the bookies bet offers. (bonuses)
I've made a few £££'s actually - with NO RISK AT ALL if you know what you're doing. Usually you need an account with a betting exchange (who take a 5% comm) such as BetFair in UK

There was a site called "Bonus Bagging" which was quite good

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 03:34 PM 2017
Ye that is sometimes but not all the time.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:36 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 03:26 PM 2017
Soccer is not different. Most of the matches are fixed. And odd is so low that doesnt worth playing unless u r a bookie. Ur system earn â,¬75/spin. U should abandone sports betting.

Madi you should abstain yourself from posting after 8pm. No offense but what you just said is so dumb. Football is not rigged except for Chinese and Arab leagues, and it has nothing to do with betting anyway. And odds are whatever you chose them to be. Otherwise roulette is the same. The odds are too low because of the 0 edge to the casino. Anyway... I make 3k per day on football so don’t tell me that this doesn’t work either   Why are you even alive an breathing if you don’t believe in anything.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:37 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 03:29 PM 2017
Hi Madi,

Sometimes I have made GUARANTEED profits from bookmakers using "matched betting" with the bookies bet offers. (bonuses)
I've made a few £££'s actually - with NO RISK AT ALL if you know what you're doing. Usually you need an account with a betting exchange (who take a 5% comm) such as BetFair in UK

There was a site called "Bonus Bagging" which was quite good

A.


Another guaranteed way to win at football is arbitrage betting. But it gives me such a headache. And it’s so boring.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 03:46 PM 2017
Ur assumption is not reality. Lots of EPL are fixed . Who said i am not believing?when u say 3k per day u need to make average calculation. Otherwise u could be millionire in years not 138k
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 03:48 PM 2017
Oh cammon thats a old staff. U gotta open a lot of accounts in different company
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:49 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 03:46 PM 2017
Ur assumption is not reality. Lots of EPL are fixed . Who said i am not believing?when u say 3k per day u need to make average calculation. Otherwise u could be millionire in years not 138k

First of all I have a very expensive lifestyle which slows down my growth. Secondly I only get on exchanges such as betFair and I’m limited by the liquidity. Can’t stake more than what I currently am.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 03:50 PM 2017
Learn to write mt4 codes and learn to read charts, forex is the best for serious money speculation. I run intraday EA at the same time position trade.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 04:00 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 12:54 PM 2017
Do you want to be part of the first batch to receive the system ?

No. I decline. That is not how a forum should operate

I respect ignatus and proofreader and Atlantis because they post their systems for testing. They don’t cherry pick and make a list of names

That’s not something I want to participate in

So share it, or don’t share it I don’t care either way.

Whenever someone says they will share with a select group it never ends well
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: wiggy on Sep 24, 04:01 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 03:49 PM 2017
First of all I have a very expensive lifestyle which slows down my growth.

LMAO! Is that why you used the 'paysafecard' to deposit the £200 in your screenshot. I bet you couldn't wait to get on here when you turned it into £350. BRAVO! A big score for a pro such as yourself.

I was reading this today about that depositing method.

(of course that wouldn't apply to you now, would it?)



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:07 PM 2017
Quote from: wiggy on Sep 24, 04:01 PM 2017
LMAO! Is that why you used the 'paysafecard' to deposit the £200 in your screenshot. I bet you couldn't wait to get on here when you turned it into £350. BRAVO! A big score for a pro such as yourself.

I was reading this today about that depositing method.

(of course that wouldn't apply to you now, would it?)

No idea what you’re talking about dude.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:07 PM 2017
What about paysafecard what’s the problem with that ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 04:10 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 04:00 PM 2017
No. I decline. That is not how a forum should operate

I respect ignatus and proofreader and Atlantis because they post their systems for testing. They don’t cherry pick and make a list of names

That’s not something I want to participate in

So share it, or don’t share it I don’t care either way.
I should speak up about this and I will.

I agree with RG on this.

It's either share it openly on threads or don't.

I don't agree to PMs, emails, whatnots and some chosen ones only.

That runs counter to the purpose of forums and the detrimental effect goes beyond the goings-on with individual threads like this one.

IDK, to me roulette is hobby stuff so lets not take it too seriously, enjoy the game and have fun. That's what casino entertainment is all about.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 04:17 PM 2017
It means a millionaire doesnt care about safecard to deposit â,¬200.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:17 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 24, 04:10 PM 2017
I should speak up about this and I will.

I agree with RG on this.

It's either share it openly on threads or don't.

I don't agree to PMs, emails, whatnots and some chosen ones only.

That runs counter to the purpose of forums and the detrimental effect goes beyond the goings-on with individual threads like this one.

IDK, to me roulette is hobby stuff so lets not take it too seriously, enjoy the game and have fun. That's what casino entertainment is all about.

This is of cours what I would prefer to do. But this situation is my reaction to the hostile and aggressive behaviour most are having toward me. As well as the threats and ultimatums of the moderators. I came here to share something. Not to be bossed around.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:18 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 04:17 PM 2017
It means a millionaire doesnt care about safecard to deposit â,¬200.

Why not ? And when did I say i was a millionaire ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 24, 04:26 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:18 PM 2017
Why not ? And when did I say i was a millionaire ?

do you mind saying how much profit are you generating from your roulette system?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:28 PM 2017
I don't understand. What is wrong with a pay safecard? Nothing as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 04:28 PM 2017
Ur 3k per day earing says that.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:28 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 24, 04:26 PM 2017
do you mind saying how much profit are you generating from your roulette system?

Im not using it. Profit depends on the initial investment.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:28 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 04:28 PM 2017
Ur 3k per day earing says that.

That’s half a million or less a year. Of which I spend 90%.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:30 PM 2017
We're close to hitting 50 pages on this now... Isn't that something?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 04:31 PM 2017
Are you sure mate thats half a million?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: wiggy on Sep 24, 04:32 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:28 PM 2017
I don't understand. What is wrong with a pay safecard? Nothing as far as I can tell.

I must be behind the times and all the pro's use them now. Excuse my ignorance.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 24, 04:33 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:17 PM 2017
This is of cours what I would prefer to do. But this situation is my reaction to the hostile and aggressive behaviour most are having toward me. As well as the threats and ultimatums of the moderators. I came here to share something. Not to be bossed around.
I have to agree with you that there're some posters have mfarking negative attitude. Pompous, egoistic, know-it-all, above-you characters. This lot are a bloody turn off that made me unwilling to share good stuff
that collect dust on my computer on forums. I hope these guys read this, stop their nonsense that benefit no one.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 24, 04:35 PM 2017
If some people here do not believe Steven1212, I do not know why those people bother him. Just my opinion...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:39 PM 2017
Quote from: wiggy on Sep 24, 04:32 PM 2017
I must be behind the times and all the pro's use them now. Excuse my ignorance.  :thumbsup:

Hi wiggy,
Some of my accounts are funded thru PayPal linked to card rather than debit card details.
This also has the benefit of getting same day withdrawals to bank a/c via Faster Payments service.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 04:40 PM 2017
Asking question to thread owner is not unlawful. Simple question like how ur system earn per spin with minimum bet and refusing to answer that or indicate that u will know that on time of publishing doesnt sounds really good.on thread people must ask
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 24, 04:47 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 04:40 PM 2017
Asking question to thread owner is not unlawful. Simple question like how ur system earn per spin with minimum bet and refusing to answer that or indicate that u will know that on time of publishing doesnt sounds really good.on thread people must ask

I'd just like to remind some folks - He is not SELLING this system - you won't have to pay ANYTHING. He is going to freely divulge it. You won't lose out or be cheated out of any cash. Why not just wait and see - and no need for third degree either. Patience is a virtue. And that is all I'm going to say on this.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 24, 04:53 PM 2017
@atlantis

Respect  ur advice. Will let him do his work. Am stop
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 04:58 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 24, 04:31 PM 2017
Are you sure mate thats half a million?

I’m 100% sure considering that football games aren’t everyday and the season is only 8 months long.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:00 PM 2017
I use paysafe, Skrill, Paypal and other moneybookers a lot. Nothing wrong with them on the contrary. Very casino friendly.
The reason I got into these deposit method is because for a long time I’ve lived in restricted country. So bank and credit card isn’t an option for me.

As for the 200 pounds deposit i did this to test a new bookmaker. Bwin. I wanted to see if I like their platform so I deposited a small amount. Or at least what you seem to consider small. But money is money. Every penny saved is a penny earned. Here’s my first advice to you on how to become a millionaire.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Sep 24, 05:37 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 24, 05:00 PM 2017Every penny saved is a penny earned. Here’s my first advice to you on how to become a millionaire.

Too bad you ignore your own advice and spend 90%
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 09:22 PM 2017
Andre it’s invincible

Steven has GUARANTEED you knee surgery.

Why wouldn’t he share? That would be evil. Guys like you need it

How would Steven benefit from keeping it secret?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 24, 09:38 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 04:00 PM 2017

No. I decline. That is not how a forum should operate




Thanks for taking a principled stance on this issue.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 24, 09:40 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 09:22 PM 2017
Andre it’s invincible

Steven has GUARANTEED you knee surgery.

Why wouldn’t he share? That would be evil. Guys like you need it

How would Steven benefit from keeping it secret?

I do not understand why you're trying to tease me. I've always respected you and I admire you for your posts here in the forum. Let's respect each other and keep a good dialogue.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 09:59 PM 2017
Not teasing you. Sorry you took it that way
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 24, 10:14 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 24, 09:59 PM 2017
Not teasing you. Sorry you took it that way

Ok, forget It...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Baelog on Sep 24, 11:12 PM 2017
I would like to test the system. I have played your CODE INVINCIBLE with success so far, the only problem I have is to get the bets in on time sometimes. Live roulette online has a short time to put your bets in (20 s). Thinking of making a tracker to help me out when I have time.

Baelog
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 25, 12:32 AM 2017
Hello fellas!

I can not sleep thinking about testing the system... I'm very anxious about it... Hahaha
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:17 AM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 25, 12:32 AM 2017
Hello fellas!

I can not sleep thinking about testing the system... I'm very anxious about it... Hahaha

Your wait is over. Check your mails..
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: intermax on Sep 25, 02:49 AM 2017
That's great, Hope the reviews will come soon.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Sep 25, 03:16 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:17 AM 2017
Your wait is over. Check your mails..

My mail is empty, no fair!

:'(
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: S on Sep 25, 03:34 AM 2017
So it is a private system afterwards?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 25, 03:45 AM 2017
Quote from: S on Sep 25, 03:34 AM 2017
So it is a private system afterwards?

You got it, only a select few  :lol:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: S on Sep 25, 03:47 AM 2017
Well, what can one say. Good game.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:48 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 25, 03:45 AM 2017
You got it, only a select few  :lol:

For now. Until people like you stop it with the aggresivity and all the judgement even though you don’t know me.

I still have 24 hours to make my mind and deliver it before the thread is closed.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: S on Sep 25, 03:56 AM 2017
Ok, fair enough. So we ll just wait.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 04:08 AM 2017
I sent the system to three members so far. One beginner player. One confirmed player. And one very advanced player. Let’s see.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Sep 25, 04:11 AM 2017
For what it's worth, I would like to publicly apologise to STEVEN1212.

Not that I've done much wrong,  but it really is none of my business what you do with your intellectual property, and I actually don't care if you do share anything or not. I've just been having a bit of fun with this as it went along, because that's the way I roll.

So, sorry for being a bit of a nuisance, and good luck to you.

If you do decide to share with the forum, I promise I will only be here to help improve on what you have if I can, otherwise I will remain silent.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 05:06 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Sep 25, 04:11 AM 2017
For what it's worth, I would like to publicly apologise to STEVEN1212.

Not that I've done much wrong,  but it really is none of my business what you do with your intellectual property, and I actually don't care if you do share anything or not. I've just been having a bit of fun with this as it went along, because that's the way I roll.

So, sorry for being a bit of a nuisance, and good luck to you.

If you do decide to share with the forum, I promise I will only be here to help improve on what you have if I can, otherwise I will remain silent.

Cheers.

Thank you very much mate. I apreicaite that you give me a chance. The system is coming. I never planned not to share it with the entire forum.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 05:08 AM 2017
Hi guys, I'm one of those who have received Steven's system.

I must say that Steven has put a lot of thought behind his system, a lot of that comes from real money playing experience.

Overall it's good stuff, something to learn from a fellow casino punter.

However, a word of caution with your expectation, if you're looking for holy grail then you might be in for disappointment. So stay real and know that roulette is a gambling activity.

We should know by now through our years of experience dabbling with gambling games that the infallible holy grail as most of us understands it does not exists - that's the realm of dreamers and fantasisers.

Be patient folks Steven will reveal it in due time.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 05:12 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 25, 05:08 AM 2017
Hi guys, I'm one of those who have received Steven's system.

I must say that Steven has put a lot of thought behind his system, a lot of that comes from real money playing experience.

Overall it's good stuff, something to learn from a fellow casino punter.

However, a word of caution with your expectation, if you're looking for holy grail then you might be in for disappointment. So stay real and know that roulette is a gambling activity.

We should know by now through our years of experience dabbling with gambling games that the infallible holy grail as most of us understands it does not exists - that's the realm of dreamers and fantasisers.

Be patient folks Steven will reveal it in due time.

Thank you for the message. Holy grails don’t exist. That a dream for foolish people. This is what I explain in the first paragraph of the email I sent you.
Glad you liked the system. Happy wining my friend, report when you tested please.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 25, 05:38 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 25, 05:08 AM 2017
Hi guys, I'm one of those who have received Steven's system.

I must say that Steven has put a lot of thought behind his system, a lot of that comes from real money playing experience.

Overall it's good stuff, something to learn from a fellow casino punter.

However, a word of caution with your expectation, if you're looking for holy grail then you might be in for disappointment. So stay real and know that roulette is a gambling activity.

We should know by now through our years of experience dabbling with gambling games that the infallible holy grail as most of us understands it does not exists - that's the realm of dreamers and fantasisers.

Be patient folks Steven will reveal it in due time.

I'm Glad that you expressed your feedback, although you should tell us whether this system can win flat-bet.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: jefra on Sep 25, 07:10 AM 2017
Guys, I don't know why are you all so much excited about that system which cannot be played in any casino without of cell phone or computer program that calculates when to bet?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Lucky7Red on Sep 25, 07:13 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 05:06 AM 2017
Thank you very much mate. I apreicaite that you give me a chance. The system is coming. I never planned not to share it with the entire forum.
I know that I don't deserve your system but hope that you can really help some other people here to emprove their roulette experience  :thumbsup: good work.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 07:21 AM 2017
Quote from: jefra on Sep 25, 07:10 AM 2017
Guys, I don't know why are you all so much excited about that system which cannot be played in any casino without of cell phone or computer program that calculates when to bet?


Wrong.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 07:22 AM 2017
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Sep 25, 07:13 AM 2017
I know that I don't deserve your system but hope that you can really help some other people here to emprove their roulette experience  :thumbsup: good work.

You will have it. I have a deadline to post it and now it’s written down.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 07:44 AM 2017
Most systems cannot win flat bet unless they exploit  the wheel

The best way to play a system with triggers is airball. At my casino they don’t bother you at airball tables.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 07:51 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 25, 05:38 AM 2017
I'm Glad that you expressed your feedback, although you should tell us whether this system can win flat-bet.
Off-topic, nothing to do with Steven's system.

Like me, if you're looking for flatbet systems, the 1st thing to properly understand is that the signal to noise ratio has to be very low. Armed with that understanding then you know what you're looking for else you're groping in the dark.

(link:s://i.imgur.com/GwpcfVu.png)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 25, 09:06 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 25, 07:51 AM 2017
Off-topic, nothing to do with Steven's system.

Like me, if you're looking for flatbet systems, the 1st thing to properly understand is that the signal to noise ratio has to be very low. Armed with that understanding then you know what you're looking for else you're groping in the dark.

(link:s://i.imgur.com/GwpcfVu.png)

Never mind, so you have now the system... what can you tell us about it?
will this system make us millionaires? how far can on go with it ?

Did you make money using it so far?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 09:09 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 25, 09:06 AM 2017
Never mind, so you have now the system... what can you tell us about it?
will this system make us millionaires? how far can on go with it ?

Did you make money using it so far?

Your mentality is sooooo wrong mate. Stop dreaming about millions. Stop dreaming about becoming rich in 6 hours of time. Stop thinking you can win big without taking risk or just flat bets.
And stop thinking that the people I trusted with my system will just give it away to you before I feel ready.

In the meantime, learn to be patient, and you will get it soon.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 25, 09:13 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 09:09 AM 2017
Your mentality is sooooo wrong mate. Stop dreaming about millions. Stop dreaming about becoming rich in 6 hours of time. Stop thinking you can win big without taking risk or just flat bets.
And stop thinking that the people I trusted with my system will just give it away to you before I feel ready.

In the meantime, learn to be patient, and you will get it soon.

what an idiot

you were just speaking a f ew days ago about the millions you can easily get within your system.

now you became realistic!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 09:17 AM 2017
So you have it and it’s ready to post

But you are not sharing it yet because you want to teach people patience? Lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 09:19 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 25, 09:13 AM 2017
what an idiot

you were just speaking a f ew days ago about the millions you can easily get within your system.

now you became realistic!

Show me where I said that. Go ahead show me....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 09:20 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 09:17 AM 2017
So you have it and it’s ready to post

But you are not sharing it yet because you want to teach people patience? Lol

No. Because I’ve been received here with a lot of agressivity and threats for no reason. So I don’t feel like giving today. Maybe I will feel like it tomorrow
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 09:20 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 25, 09:06 AM 2017
Never mind, so you have now the system... what can you tell us about it?
will this system make us millionaires? how far can on go with it ?

Did you make money using it so far?
what can you tell us about it?

Some post earlier, I said I found some flatbet based on EC code4 concept that I described with pic there, the signals were too few then. Further probe led me to realise that the code can be oriented non-static from a single spin data which gives an array output that results in multiples of the original static format. In short this means that I now have multiple few signals and as a sum total the signal to spins has increased likewise.

will this system make us millionaires? how far can on go with it ?
I can tell you that the few high winrate signals with increased frequency has now become practically viable to profit from both at online casino and b&m casino.

Did you make money using it so far?
At this stage I'm still working on the model right now.  :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 09:23 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 25, 09:20 AM 2017
what can you tell us about it?

Some post earlier, I said I found some flatbet based on EC code4 concept that I described with pic there, the signals were too few then. Further probe led me to realise that the code can be oriented non-static from a single spin data which gives an array output that results in multiples of the original static format. In short this means that I now have multiple few signals and as a sum total the signal to spins has increased likewise.

will this system make us millionaires? how far can on go with it ?
I can tell you that the few high winrate signals with increased frequency has now become practically viable to profit from both at online casino and b&m casino.

Did you make money using it so far?
At this stage I'm still working on the model right now.  :)

You are talking about  Your system. He was asking about mine. Anyway. Glad you improved your ec selection. Curious to hear about it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 09:24 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 09:20 AM 2017
No. Because I’ve been received here with a lot of agressivity and threats for no reason. So I don’t feel like giving today. Maybe I will feel like it tomorrow

Ok
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 09:29 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 09:23 AM 2017
You are talking about  Your system. He was asking about mine. Anyway. Glad you improved your ec selection. Curious to hear about it.
Yup you are correct. I'll stop posting about mine EC code4 on this thread from now to not cause confusion.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 09:34 AM 2017
Need guys like lanky back.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Sep 25, 09:45 AM 2017
Well, i've been posting my system and testing it,? now it got 80% winrate Flatbet,(and nobody cares?) it has taken me several days of testing,...

i don't see your point in keeping people waiting, and talking about "your system" that's supposed to be some kind of "grail" well hell? no grail do exist, all systems lose,... it's just a question of How frequently do these losses occur? and how do you handle these losses, what is your Moneymanagement-plan, and so on...??

we'll see? if you got something then show what you got? or else keep silent? don't make false promises? don't make people wait? it's just annoying? and disturbing people?. why you do it? i don't understand....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 09:54 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 25, 09:45 AM 2017
Well, i've been posting my system and testing it,? now it got 80% winrate Flatbet,(and nobody cares?) it has taken me several days of testing,...

i don't see your point in keeping people waiting, and talking about "your system" that's supposed to be some kind of "grail" well hell? no grail do exist, all systems lose,... it's just a question of How frequently do these losses occur? and how do you handle these losses, what is your Moneymanagement-plan, and so on...??

we'll see? if you got something then show what you got? or else keep silent? don't make false promises? don't make people wait? it's just annoying? and disturbing people?. why you do it? i don't understand....

Whether you know it or not, you are respected. People read your threads and appreciate your posts. Threads like this dilute forum integrity.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Sep 25, 09:58 AM 2017
Thanks RG, I hope so, yes.. :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 10:14 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 25, 09:45 AM 2017
Well, i've been posting my system and testing it,? now it got 80% winrate Flatbet,(and nobody cares?) it has taken me several days of testing,...

i don't see your point in keeping people waiting, and talking about "your system" that's supposed to be some kind of "grail" well hell? no grail do exist, all systems lose,... it's just a question of How frequently do these losses occur? and how do you handle these losses, what is your Moneymanagement-plan, and so on...??

we'll see? if you got something then show what you got? or else keep silent? don't make false promises? don't make people wait? it's just annoying? and disturbing people?. why you do it? i don't understand....

I came here last week asking of people were still playing my system. They said no because it busts. I said I have one last ingredient that makes it invincible. I will give it to you when I have time. They answered to me that I was a f... liar. That I had nothing and I was just having fun with people. They insulted me for one week. People who don’t know me. Before even giving me the chance to prove myself. Didn’t seem to me like a team spirit. So now it’s me who don’t feel like have a team spirit. I still want an opinion on my system so I sent it yesterday to the people I trust. And who gave me a decent welcome when I showed up. Who were curious to read and judge, instead of judge me before taking a look.

But don’t worry. I’ll come around and post it when I feel ready to share with the stubborn ones. The ones who have lost before they even start.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 10:29 AM 2017
I explained why you got the response you did

We have seen this before

If you share then you are the exception to the rule

Usually people just post what they have instead of posting they have a secret

You got the response you did because usually nothing happens.

People don’t take kindly to someone posting they have one last secret ingredient. Come on now
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 10:34 AM 2017
I’m going to go to my drone forum and tell them one motor fails because something on a control board is loose but I will post it when I’m ready
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 10:37 AM 2017
Just trying to put this into prospective for you

No one actually thought you would share because we have heard one last ingredient many times before.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 10:34 AM 2017
I’m going to go to my drone forum and tell them one motor fails because something on a control board is loose but I will post it when I’m ready

You like drones ?!!! No kidding ! We must be friends then. Check out my instagram account, I am: the_sky_explorer
Drones are my passion.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 10:37 AM 2017
Just trying to put this into prospective for you

No one actually thought you would share because we have heard one last ingredient many times before.
Trust me on this - Steven will share, I see no reason why not.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 10:54 AM 2017
I have a qr x350 pro
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 11:08 AM 2017
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 25, 11:27 AM 2017
Hi Steven 1212,

Thanks for sending the details of your system. Just letting ppl know that Steven did send it to me like he said he would. I have been unable to get to my desktop until now to read it through because a builder has been a repairing floor damage right next to where it is - and the work won't be finished yet until tomorrow so it's a bit of a nuisance.
Consequently I have not had time to do any testing either - and this is a busy week for me until Thursday too. Typical. Last week I had much more time. However, I shall think on the propositions that Steven has shared before putting anything into operation. Seems quite flexible and adaptable. I need to make decisions regarding the bet selection and the MM I might employ and a few other considerations etc.
Overall, this is solid advice and sound thinking. When you get to read it you will understand it perfectly and can begin to plan your attack. It's not complicated either, but based on no-nonsense commonsense principles which will make a fine addition to your armoury of roulette systems.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 25, 12:02 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 25, 05:08 AM 2017
Hi guys, I'm one of those who have received Steven's system.

I must say that Steven has put a lot of thought behind his system, a lot of that comes from real money playing experience.

Overall it's good stuff, something to learn from a fellow casino punter.

However, a word of caution with your expectation, if you're looking for holy grail then you might be in for disappointment. So stay real and know that roulette is a gambling activity.

We should know by now through our years of experience dabbling with gambling games that the infallible holy grail as most of us understands it does not exists - that's the realm of dreamers and fantasisers.

Be patient folks Steven will reveal it in due time.
Hello fellas!

I also received the Steven1212 email.

What cht said is what I would say ...


The "last ingredient" is fundamental to play with discipline, patience, optimism, self control and bankroll management.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 12:03 PM 2017
GR, what did you think of my drone footage ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 12:07 PM 2017
Nice Instagram

I need to start flying again
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 12:16 PM 2017
I promised to you to reveal the last ingredient that makes my system an always green system. Here it is. I will only accept to discuss and debate with people who test it for a few days. Not with the people who are going to send me a hate message first and then read it.

Before we begin, let’s go through some vocabulary together.
What is a holy grail? It’s the most misused word in this entire forum. And the one that shows that the mentality of most of you is just wrong to approach a roulette table because you are all stuck and obsessed with the concept of a holy grail.
What is a holy grail?
Here is three things it is NOT:
Most of you refer to the HG as a rule based system that will
1. automatically make you money,
2. that we never ever lose, and
3. that can generate a huge amount of money every month taking a minimum risk

Well most of you are wrong and here is three reasons why:
1. Because it is not automatic. Money doesn’t come from drop from the sky. You are to work hard for it. Learn the subject, master it, and reinvent it all the time. You need to put in the time to understand it yourself and not just follow what someone will serve u on a silver plater.
2. Everyone loses sometimes. Many of you have discarded my system before because you busted on the first progression. And what do you think ? That there is a way to always chose the right bet ? Don’t be childish. Have perseverance. Work harder. Take the example of a building constructor, do you think every building he makes will succeed ? Sometime he will fail, but the next one will be profitable, and life goes on.. you can’t always succeed.
3. some you are actually shocked that need to use big bank rolls to make little money. People ask me of ways to generate 100 chips per day with a 100 chips bankroll. Lol, non! No risk, no gain. Do you think the building constructor triples his investment every year ? No, he makes 20-30% a year and that’s great. So if you want to make money with the roulette you seriously need to consider it like a real job and stop dreaming about 100% daily returns. You are going to need to invest a good amount of money in the hope of generating a 20-30 return.

My definition of a holy grail, is a playing method that will suit everyone’s taste of play, wether you like to wait a long time for a trigger, spin all day, have 5 mins only, and at the same time unable you to live of the roulette without risking your home and meals. And this is what I will give you now. But
1. It’s nos automatic. You have to do the work, you have to figure out on your own what your style is, how to adapt it to your mentality,
2. It will lose sometimes, but it’s ok. You will always end up green if you follow me with discipline, and that’s all that matter.,and
3. If you’re one of those idiots who think they can generate 100 dollars per day by investing only 100 dollars, stop reading and go home now. Take this a serious job, decide how much money you want to make each month, and be ready to invest a sufficient amount. Just like you would need to do if you opened a restaurant, a bakery, become a taxi driver ... you need to put an initial investment upfront.

That was my lesson number one to you because some of you see roulette as a get rich over night method, and that’s all the casino ask from you to take your money. It’s a advice I give you about philosophy of play, and mentality. Very important.

Now that this is clear, go to page 9 and read about my system. Understand it. Then come back here and I’ll tell you how to use it and make sure you never bust.

Now let’s talk about probabilities and statistics. One basic concept of the roulette table, but very important for the rest of my post. On a 500 or 1000, everything is possible. But on a million spin, everything evens out. What does that mean:
On 500 spins, it’s possible for example to see dozen 1 hit 20% of the time, while dozen 2 and 3 hit 40%. But the more you spin, and the more those figures will get closer to 33% for each dozen. Everything evens out after a certain amount of time. It’s the basic of the roulette table probability. Another example, in 500spins, it’s possible to see a number hit only a couple of times, but in 1 million spin, this number, and every other number will get closer to hit a perfect 1/37th of the time. Every thing evens out with time.  Why do I say this ? To explain that it’s the same for every system. In 500 spins, they may succeed 100% of the time, but in a million spin, every system and every progression will bust exactly the amount of time that probabilities say it will bust.

A four step progression on double dozen like my code 4 invincible system has one chance in eighty to bust. Then over a million spins, it will bust one time in 80. That’s the way it is. I hope you understand. And this was my point number two to you, because it’s essential to understand if you want to win the way I win. Now let’s move to the next step.

First of all, back in the days I suggested playing a five step progression, but as of today and I only play it with a four step progression which is enough and much faster (you will understand why after). Therefore, a total of 80 units (1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27). Each wins gives you 1 unit. You need to win 80 times to complete a cycle. It can bust, I know. Even a 20 step progression could bust. But why is that a problem ?
One of you reported a few pages back testing a bet selection brought up by Atlantis. Good results in the first two days, then the progression busted. So this person dismissed the system saying it wasn’t invincible. Why because it busted ? That’s sooooo stupid.  Does that mean that when you have an 80 unit progression you play with a 80 unit bankroll ? I hope not, because if it’s the case, you are really not clever.

And unfortunately, what I just explained is the reason why all of you said my system didn’t work. Because sometimes it busts. So what ? Every bet selection and progression can bust. My secret, my missing ingredient, is not something I first held back on purpose. It just seemed like something so obvious to me that I never needed to discuss it. But apparently not. So let’s talk about it now.

Someone has written earlier in the thread “he is lying there is no secret, what else could there be, we know the bet selection, we know the progression, what else?”
MONEY  MANAGEMENT. This is my secret. If you thought that money management means progression, then you were wrong. That’s only one aspect of money management. But Money management includes much more. Bank roll for example. Or session targets. And stop losses.
So to all those of you who said my system was terrible because you saw it bust once, I answer to you are that you are foolish. Of course the progression will bust sometimes, but if that means you busted your entire bankroll, then you are very very very stupid.

Let me show you why. Here is what you’ve been waiting for for 3 years. My secret money management, the last ingredient to make my system, and many others, absolutely bullet proof.

Imagine you play code 4 invincible as described on page 9, with a 80 unit progression (4 steps). So you need to win 80 times to close a cycle.

I ask you to play one session everyday for one month, until you either reach the 80 unit profit, or until you bust. Out of 30 days/sessions, how many times do you think you would bust and how many time would you reach the target ?

Ill give you the answer to that. In a few sessions, everything is possible. You can win them all, you can lose them all on your first bet, absolutely everything is possible although I believe that you will win much more than you will lose out of experience. But for those who don’t believe, let me tell you what will really happen if you play enough sessions. Things will even out. Just like I explained to you in my probability theory above. In one million spins, probability will take over, and will give you exactly what you are supposed to receive.

So in our case, we play 80 times a sequence that has 1/80th chance to lose. If we play it 1 million times, I reckon we will win it at least 500k time, and lose it about the same. In continuous play only. With that knowledge, here is what you must do.

Imagine you start betting with a 1000 unit bank roll (the minimum I suggest).

Step 1: divide your bankroll in 5 to decide what you will risk. In our example, we start our first attack with a 200 pocket.

Step 2: use this 200 pocket to calculate the chip size needed for the progression of your choice. In our example, we play code invincible with a 4 step progression (80 units). This means that 1 unit equals 200:80= 2,5£ chips.

Step 3: your target in this first attack is to double your 200 units. For this, you need to win 80 times your 2,5£ chip. So you play 80 rounds of the system and progression.

There are two possible scenarios:

- you reach your target of 80 units. Session is over. You doubled your 200 chip pocket and therefore achieved a 20% return on your total balance. Got take a break, and restart when you are ready. It could be the day after or just after 5 minutes. Whatever suits your playing style.
- The second option is that you bust the progression. In that case, the session is over as well. You go take a break, and restart a new session when you are ready. But what you need to know, and it’s beautiful, is that when you lose you generally don’t lose everything. If you lose on the first bet, you lost everything. If you lose on the last bet, you lost only 1 unit because at that moment you already have a 79 unit profit. Everything will happen. Sometimes you will lose at the beginning, in the middle, or at then end. So for the purpose of example and calculation, let’s suppose you lose exactly half way all the time. You bust you progression once you’ve won 40 units. This means that in our example you haven’t lost your entire 200 chip pocket but just 100 chips. Therefore, you achieve -10% of roi on your total bankroll, and have 90% of your bankroll left. 

Step 4: wether you win or lose your session, take a break, come back when you are ready, and restart a new session following the rules above (with patience and discipline). Never change the rules you set for yourself.
If you won the previous session, your bankroll is at 1200 and your new pocket for the next session is 240 units. Your new chip size is 3£. If you had lost the previous session your new bankroll would have been 900. New pocket 180, new chip size 2,25£ (you round it up to the lowest possible match ie 2,20 or 2£ according to the chip size available at your casino).

That’s it. The beauty of this is that you never bust. You will always have a bankroll to play with. You reduce your bet size/risk after a loss, and you increase it again after a win. Most importantly, by recalculating stakes before every session, you use the concept of exponentiality to grow your investment. And the fact that the losses are logically smaller than the wins ensures that you will finish above where you started.

Let’s take an example.
In one month, you play one session each day. According to the rule of probability, let’s take what I consider to be a bad case scenario. You lose half of your sessions. 15 wins, 15 losses. With a starting balance of 1000£, your new balance after 30 sessions will be 3158£. Over 300% return in one month. Not bah eh?
Now let’s say we take an extremely horrible and negative scenario for the most pessimistic of you. In 30 days, you lose 20 sessions and win only 10. Then your 1000£ will be transformed into 750£. Not to bad of a loss for such a bad month?
In my personal experience, I have never had such result. In general I win between 18 and 21 sessions in 30. A 20 wins vs 10 losses would turn your 1000£ into 13k.

Now one more point. It’s about volume. The more you play, the more you win. No need for hit and run. Let’s imagine you play two sessions a day instead of one. The strike rate is the same. You lose half of them (which you won’t, you will win more than half). So you win 30sessions and lose 30. Then your 1000£ balance became after 60 sessions: 9,9K

There you have it. This is how I play and how I have been winning money for 5years. I don’t really use it on the roulette anymore as I have more fun in football but I use exactly the same money management and it does wonders.
Now let me also add that you can adapt this to suit your style and aversion to risk. Dividing your balance by 5 brings good profit. But if you like to take more risk you can also divide it by 3 and have bigger profits (that’s what I do in football). And for those who like to take less risk, you can divide it by 10 or 20. The concept is the same, it will always bring you growth, as long as you have a minimum of accuracy and hit rate in your system.

Which brings me to the last part of my message to you.  The system. It’s not the most important. The most important like I’ve explained is the mentality you go in with. It has to be strong, patient, disciplined, and optimistic. Then it’s the money management. Stick to my rules. Have discipline. And then comes the system.

The system helps to make sure you can win enough sessions. Half is good. And very easy to achieve. With our systems, all we do is try to challenge randomness in order to have a better hit rate. And most of the times it works. But at the end, it’s probability that takes over random. And over time it doesn’t matter. The wheel will give you what you are meant to receive mathematically. It all evens out with time. All that to say that you should use the system you want. The one that fits your playing style and with which you feel confident and have fun.

I think code 4 is strong. But here are other example.
If the progression of 80 units is too much for you, wait for a virtual loss on the first and play three steps only. 26 units. Sure you might lose it more often, but you only need 26wins instead of 80 to close a session. So at the end, it all evens out. You should win it at least half the time as well.

Another example. Take the thread Hit and Run of Andres chass system. He likes to play a low odd bet, where he stakes 1k to win 150. He needs to win 8 times to recover one loss. Well Andre here is how you make your own style of play invincible. Adopt my money management. Play sessions of 8 spins. Space them out if you like hit and run. Spin once every two hours, 8 times a day. The days you win 8 times, you closed one session successfully. The days when you have a loss, on average it will be on spin 4, so you will lose only half of the pocket. If you win just half of your sessions, you will be extremely profitable. Actually even if you lose more than your win, you can still be I profit. Considering the fact that you’re are today on a 23 consécutive win streak, I think you get my point ? Invincible.

Now imagine if you played it with 5 step progression of 240 units. Sure it would take time, but you would lose it so little that the profit at the end of the month or the year would be huge. Don’t be afraid of progressions. As long as they don’t bust your account when you lose them once in a while, they’re ok. The building constructor has to put a lot of money upfront before he can make a profit. If you open a bakery it will cost you money and you have no guarantee to make it back selling bread.

And to conclude this, I will tell you how I have been playing it myself. Very simple and efficient. I stopped playing code 4 because it was annoying for me to play and the 80 unit session take too much time. So I found my middle ground between this and a system in few steps like Andre Chass.

I play on streets. I cover 11 streets (11 units) out of 12 to win 1 unit. If I have a loss, I recover most of it in 2 bets. Like a martingale yes. The second bet is 4 units on 11 streets, and if it wins, I take it again. If both win, I recovered 8 units of the 11lost and I go on. To play like this you need a bankroll of 55 units. And it loses very rarely. To lose twice a 95% covered board.
For bet selection, I keep it simple but efficient too.
When I sit at the table I look at the past spins and look for a street that repeated twice in a row. Let’s say a few numbers back the number 10 and 12 came out after each other. Then I will cover all the other streets except this one and start betting. What I am doing is not only betting that I won’t hit twice in a row the same street, but that if one street is going to repeat while I’m at the table, it won’t be the exact same street that previously repeated ! That’s asking too much of the wheel !
So I pay 10 units. Then move on to another table and find a new street to play on. I repeat the process 5times until I doubled my pocket after 50 wins and close my session. Most of the time, I never even need to play the martingale. It’s very likely that you will win all 55 spins. And if you were to lose the martingale, it doesn’t matter.   Cause now that you know about my system, you can afford to bust. You can even afford to bust more than you win.

Good luck.

P.S: one message to all my detractors. I don’t ask for an apology. But I ask for one thing. When you read my system it’s very clear that you need at least 30 sessions to make sure you have profit. So you have no right to tell me that my system doesn’t work until you actually test it on 30 sessions and prove me wrong.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: intermax on Sep 25, 12:45 PM 2017
Steven, Thanks for your generous sharing .
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 12:46 PM 2017
I do agree there

I hate when someone sees a loss and condemns a method

I made a method of play a few weeks ago. I went through 100s of zummas results with no loss

Then someone tested it and had one loss. I believe they said “that’s enough for me”

Sorry to say, but that person will never be satisfied then. In a negative expectation game you need to expect losses. Anything else is foolish

The question for a successful system is “do the wins outweigh the losses”. If I have a loss but am still in profit that is success

So my method was condemned because someone had one loss. I expect losses it’s part of the game. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 25, 12:48 PM 2017
Alright..... here's my thought...

Your mm is very nice. In fact I recently doing something likewise. But I play hot numbers.

The system itself I'm gonna pass on that one. Coz my hitrate is much higher than yours. Meaning I would never ever need that many sessions to recover.

But....You came through. It's definitely not a hg. But so isn't mine as I get slapped to from time to time. But who cares. .... as long It's going north with the profits it's all good.
:thumbsup:

This could actually help people with new thoughts.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: wiggy on Sep 25, 12:56 PM 2017
Thanks for sharing your method Steven. respect.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 01:02 PM 2017
Thanks. FYI, I don’t use the system anymore. In the end I describe what bet I used. It fits my style of play. And like I said, everyone should use the system they enjoy to play and feel confident with.  What is gold is the money management.  It’s a non agressive system that makes you money with a very low strike rate required. Exponentially. I use it with great success on football.
As I said in my post, and you can verify with your own calculation, 19 losses against 11 wins and you break even. Any thing better than that and you’re in profit. In other words, you can lose more than you win and you will still come out on top.
Calculate it yourself and you will see.
Ps when I bet on single streets, I average 20 wins for 10 lost sessions. That’s a 1000% monthly growth.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 25, 01:10 PM 2017
Thank you Steven. This is something to think about. We know there are good and bad systems. So simply saying you mean with good money management every good system will make a profit...?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 25, 01:30 PM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 25, 01:10 PM 2017
Thank you Steven. This is something to think about. We know there are good and bad systems. So simply saying you mean with good money management every good system will make a profit...?

Steven's money management tips are fine, but i'd say that money management isn't everything, accurate prediction is more important ...
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 01:32 PM 2017
Quote from: boyd30 on Sep 25, 01:10 PM 2017
Thank you Steven. This is something to think about. We know there are good and bad systems. So simply saying you mean with good money management every good system will make a profit...?

With this money management, any system that can win in average half of the time, or even lose a little more than it wins, will make you win.

I can assure you that most version of code 4 as originally invented by Atlantis and John legend will win way me than it loses. Same for the single street simple system I described. And I have plenty more her selection in my pocket that do. All you need is patience, and self control when you lose until you recover. Stick to my rules, you’ll make money. Test it for one month.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 25, 01:36 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 01:32 PM 2017I can assure you that most version of code 4 as originally invented by Atlantis and John legend will win way me than it loses. Same for the single street simple system I described. And I have plenty more her selection in my pocket that do. All you need is patience, and self control when you lose until you recover. Stick to my rules, you’ll make money. Test it for one month.


But what is the advantage obtained from using your bet selection? is it based on a statistical backgound ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Tekunda on Sep 25, 02:06 PM 2017
I am sorry to say so, but IMHO Steven 12 12 has serious narcissistic borderline psychotic issues.
I read through the whole thread but the very first time he complained about people not being "grateful" enough, I knew that such a guy has serious psychological issues.
He just uses the internet with his bait tactics as a platform to enjoy how some people almost kneel down and worship him if he only discloses his "last" ingredient.
Don't take my word, but I am convinced his last secret will be nothing more than a mumbo jumbo of money management, patience, a positive outlook, etc, etc.....
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Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 02:14 PM 2017
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:19 PM 2017
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 25, 02:06 PM 2017
I am sorry to say so, but IMHO Steven 12 12 has serious narcissistic borderline psychotic issues.
I read through the whole thread but the very first time he complained about people not being "grateful" enough, I knew that such a guy has serious psychological issues.
He just uses the internet with his bait tactics as a platform to enjoy how some people almost kneel down and worship him if he only discloses his "last" ingredient.
Don't take my word, but I am convinced his last secret will be nothing more than a mumbo jumbo of money management, patience, a positive outlook, etc, etc.....

Here’s another idiot  who’ says things don’t work before even trying it. The real problem with the internet is not people like me. It’s the stupidity. Like you.

I challenge you to prove me wrong. Play 30 sessions of code 4, and show me that it loses more than 15 times.

Pfff you’re so dumb. So dumb that’s it’s orobably why you’re reacting like this. Because you are disappointed that I didn’t give you a machine to make money rain on you without you activating your neurons.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 25, 02:24 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:19 PM 2017
Here’s another idiot  who’ says things don’t work before even trying it. The real problem with the internet is not people like me. It’s the stupidity. Like you.

I challenge you to prove me wrong. Play 30 sessions of code 4, and show me that it loses more than 15 times.

Pfff you’re so dumb. So dumb that’s it’s orobably why you’re reacting like this. Because you are disappointed that I didn’t give you a machine to make money rain on you without you activating your neurons.

why you aren't answering my question, what differ your betS selection from picking two random dozens ?
all the other stuff about patience.self control and MM are known and old stuff
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:28 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 25, 02:24 PM 2017
why you aren't answering my question, what differ your betS selection from picking two random dozens ?

In probabilities not much. Because the wheel has no memory and every spin is independent. But by that concept all of the systems in this forum and in the world are pointless. But You tease randomness and challenge it to do something rare. If you can’t predict what happens, try to predict what’s not gonna happen, it’s easier.

But like I said, the selection is not important. So stop focusing on the wrong things once again. Focus on the discipline and money management. Play whatever you feel like, but follow the bankroll rules. You will win.

And once again, I challenge you to prove me wrong. Dismissing a system because you’re angry you won’t be rich tomorrow morning or because you thing you’re more clever than me makes you look dumber. I dare you to prove me wrong. Challenge me if you have the courage.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:30 PM 2017
And if my money management is old stuff, show me right now a post in the forum using this exact money manegement in the same conditions than me. I challenge you to prove that my system doesn’t work. If you’re a real man.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Tekunda on Sep 25, 02:33 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:19 PM 2017
Here’s another idiot  who’ says things don’t work before even trying it. The real problem with the internet is not people like me. It’s the stupidity. Like you.

I challenge you to prove me wrong. Play 30 sessions of code 4, and show me that it loses more than 15 times.

Pfff you’re so dumb. So dumb that’s it’s orobably why you’re reacting like this. Because you are disappointed that I didn’t give you a machine to make money rain on you without you activating your neurons.

Please read my post again. Nowhere did I say your system does not work, as this is not the issue in my post if your system works or not.
The way you have been teasing the members of this forum gives you away. You enjoy to wield power over people, by punishing the "ungrateful"  through playing mental games, like, maybe I feel I will give away my last secret today only to turn around and claim that suddenly we need to wait another day because you don't feel right, or because someone doubted you again.
Very narcissistic behavior if you ask me.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:35 PM 2017
Oops sorry for that answer kingsman I did it to fast on my phone. My agressivity was aimed at tekunda not you.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:35 PM 2017
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 25, 02:33 PM 2017
Please read my post again. Nowhere did I say your system does not work, as this is not the issue in my post if your system works or not.
The way you have been teasing the members of this forum gives you away. You enjoy to wield power over people, by punishing the "ungrateful"  through playing mental games, like, maybe I feel I will give away my last secret today only to turn around and claim that suddenly we need to wait another day because you don't feel right, or because someone doubted you again.
Very narcissistic behavior if you ask me.

I wasn’t treated fairly in the first place. Therefore my defensive reaction.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 25, 02:40 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:30 PM 2017ause

Your "Last ingredient" is a well known tactics among professional palyers... go and ask !!!
i hope that Steve tell you this as well.

The "TAKE WHAT YOU WANT AND DO NOT BE GREEDY!" isn't a long term solution... Roulette can be better exploited

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 02:48 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 25, 02:40 PM 2017
Your "Last ingredient" is a well known tactics among professional palyers... go and ask !!!
i hope that Steve tell you this as well.

The "TAKE WHAT YOU WANT AND DO NOT BE GREEDY!" isn't a long term solution... Roulette can be better exploited

Alright mate. Good luck in the future.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 02:58 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 01:02 PM 2017
Thanks. FYI, I don’t use the system anymore. In the end I describe what bet I used. It fits my style of play. And like I said, everyone should use the system they enjoy to play and feel confident with.  What is gold is the money management.  It’s a non agressive system that makes you money with a very low strike rate required. Exponentially. I use it with great success on football.
As I said in my post, and you can verify with your own calculation, 19 losses against 11 wins and you break even. Any thing better than that and you’re in profit. In other words, you can lose more than you win and you will still come out on top.
Calculate it yourself and you will see.
Ps when I bet on single streets, I average 20 wins for 10 lost sessions. That’s a 1000% monthly growth.


A big thank you to you for sharing.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:00 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 02:58 PM 2017

A big thank you to you for sharing.   :thumbsup:

Glad you’re happy. I hope you test it and win.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 25, 03:04 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 12:16 PM 2017
Another example. Take the thread Hit and Run of Andres chass system. He likes to play a low odd bet, where he stakes 1k to win 150. He needs to win 8 times to recover one loss. Well Andre here is how you make your own style of play invincible. Adopt my money management. Play sessions of 8 spins. Space them out if you like hit and run. Spin once every two hours, 8 times a day. The days you win 8 times, you closed one session successfully. The days when you have a loss, on average it will be on spin 4, so you will lose only half of the pocket. If you win just half of your sessions, you will be extremely profitable. Actually even if you lose more than your win, you can still be I profit. Considering the fact that you’re are today on a 23 consécutive win streak, I think you get my point ? Invincible.

Steven, let me ask a something...

Should I bet 1.200,00 eight times a day or should I split 1.200,00 for eight and bet eight times a day?

Actually as you already know I bet 1.200,00 once a day a single bet.
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Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 03:06 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 01:02 PM 2017

I use it with great success on football.



A slightly off-topic point: when you say "football," you mean soccer -- right?

For those of us in the US, the term "football" means something different -- but in your case, I am pretty sure you mean soccer.
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Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 03:08 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 03:06 PM 2017

A slightly off-topic point: when you say "football," you mean soccer -- right?

For those of us in the US, the term "football" means something different -- but in your case, I am pretty sure you mean soccer.

In the US football means over privileged babies.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:11 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 25, 03:04 PM 2017
Steven, let me ask a something...

Should I bet 1.200,00 eight times a day or should I split 1.200,00 for eight and bet eight times a day?

Actually as you already know I bet 1.200,00 once a day a single bet.

If your bankroll is 1200, with your system you can divide in 4 it’s enough. So you bet with 300 8 times a day. If you win the 8 times. You win 300 for that day.

If you lose, the day after you divide again your balance in 4 and start again. If you win 15 sessions in one month and lose  THe other 15 , your balance at the end of the month will be 4-5 times bigger.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 25, 03:17 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:11 PM 2017
If your bankroll is 1200, with your system you can divide in 4 it’s enough. So you bet with 300 8 times a day. If you win the 8 times. You win 300 for that day.

If you lose, the day after you divide again your balance in 4 and start again. If you win 15 sessions in one month and lose  THe other 15 , your balance at the end of the month will be 4-5 times bigger.

It's a good idea!

Thank you again Master Steven!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:32 PM 2017
Just to make sure you understood. In case of a loss, you new balance will be at 900. So your new bet size for your system is 225. If you win your new balance is 1500 so your new bet size is 375.
Play like this every day for one month. I am sure you will do well. Don’t lose hope after a loss. Have faith. Learn to lose and you’ll be strong.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 25, 03:35 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:32 PM 2017
Just to make sure you understood. In case of a loss, you new balance will be at 900. So your new bet size for your system is 225. If you win your new balance is 1500 so your new bet size is 375.
Play like this every day for one month. I am sure you will do well. Don’t lose hope after a loss. Have faith. Learn to lose and you’ll be strong.

I got it! I will give it a try!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:36 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 03:06 PM 2017

A slightly off-topic point: when you say "football," you mean soccer -- right?

For those of us in the US, the term "football" means something different -- but in your case, I am pretty sure you mean soccer.

I mean the sport of messi Cristiano and Neymar.

Tomorrow I will should a screenshot of my biggest football betting withdrawal. After you see this I think none of you is gonna sleep for a few days.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 25, 03:45 PM 2017
Ye got it what u r doing is using percentage of bankroll. Took $1000 bankroll. Playing marti as u said. I will consider one lose everyday within 80 games. Fair enough that i will get one lose everyday. Whats gonna happen after a month?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Baelog on Sep 25, 04:07 PM 2017
Thanks for sharing.  :thumbsup:

Baelog
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 04:13 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 25, 03:45 PM 2017
Ye got it what u r doing is using percentage of bankroll. Took $1000 bankroll. Playing marti as u said. I will consider one lose everyday within 80 games. Fair enough that i will get one lose everyday. Whats gonna happen after a month?

No that’s not how it works. Re read the explanation carefully so you see where you are making the mistake.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 04:22 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 03:36 PM 2017

I mean the sport of messi Cristiano and Neymar.

Tomorrow I will should a screenshot of my biggest football betting withdrawal. After you see this I think none of you is gonna sleep for a few days.


And let's not forget Mbappe !

I am an American -- and, yes, I follow the EPL and CL religiously.
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Post by: wiggy on Sep 25, 04:34 PM 2017
Just quickly off-topic regarding the NFL and it was great to see the players take a stand against the racist thugs who apply double standards throughout the United-States.  O0
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 04:35 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 04:22 PM 2017

And let's not forget Mbappe !

I am an American -- and, yes, I follow the EPL and CL religiously.

Thanks for mentioning. He is a player of my team.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 25, 04:39 PM 2017
Where i didnt get? Say i m gonna play double dozen with 4 step marti to get 1 unit profit and will do the same 80 times to get 80 unit if i dont bust . Thats a session. Isnt it? If bust stop there . And strat again
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 04:42 PM 2017
Yes but you are not supposed to have one loss every day. More like one day you win and one day you lose.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 25, 04:59 PM 2017
You might win 3 days back to back then u also lose 5 times in a row. Its a  gurantee that yu will be in minus after a month with $1000 bankroll. Do u still want to me to test?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 25, 05:02 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 25, 04:59 PM 2017
You might win 3 days back to back then u also lose 5 times in a row. Its a  gurantee that yu will be in minus after a month with $1000 bankroll. Do u still want to me to test?

If you start with a 1000£ balance, have 3 winning days in a row followed by 5 losing days in a row, you balance will be at 1020,58£. So a 20£ profit.

But go ahead, test it, mr know it all. If you have some balls.

You were my biggest fear. A retard who thinks he’s clever enough to dismiss something I worked with for 5 years, before even trying it. I quote you “it’s a guarantee” to lose. At least try it before you pretend to understand the math behind it. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 25, 05:26 PM 2017
O my god. Barking wont give you an Edge. So stop barking. Thinking only one person got 3 balls and thats u.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 25, 05:28 PM 2017
My expectations have been exceeded

You shared your method

So now there needs to be no arguing

If people want to test or play it, they can

If not they can entertain another thread. To keep the peace

No need to trash others methods

Creating an environment where people don’t share because they are criticized is no good

Steven said it is not a HG and no edge is gained

So leave it be
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 05:48 PM 2017
Most improved team this season - ManU.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 06:04 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 25, 04:35 PM 2017

Thanks for mentioning. He is a player of my team.



Bayern visits PSG on Wednesday -- the first real test for you guys.

Your defense is shaky and does not inspire much confidence, so a lot depends on your much vaunted offense to do its job.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 06:09 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 06:04 PM 2017

Bayern visits PSG on Wednesday -- the first real test for you guys.

Your defense is shaky and does not inspire much confidence, so a lot depends on your much vaunted offense to do its job.
Cold war between Neymar and Cavani. Mbappe tweet shows whose side his on. Who takes the next penalty ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 25, 07:11 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 25, 04:59 PM 2017
You might win 3 days back to back then u also lose 5 times in a row. Its a  gurantee that yu will be in minus after a month with $1000 bankroll. Do u still want to me to test?
If the loss is a guarantee then you got yourself a winner.

Blood Angel wrote this at betselection -

If someone wants to be long term winner he/she has to act like the casino.
The casino doesn't attempting to predict but profits when predictions fail.
It's much more easier to gain from what is not going to happen rather than trying to predict what will happen.


Bet in the same manner the casino takes our bets ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 26, 03:19 AM 2017
@Steven 1212..... I'm interested in sports betting though.  You mind giving some advice about that ? I know a lot about soccer but where to start when it comes to betting. Coz the payout on the strong teams are very low.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 03:30 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 26, 03:19 AM 2017
@Steven 1212..... I'm interested in sports betting though.  You mind giving some advice about that ? I know a lot about soccer but where to start when it comes to betting. Coz the payout on the strong teams are very low.

Football is something different. In football you get you edge by knowledge. I know football inside out. I know the birthday of all the players. I’ve been watching it for 30 years. That’s what I do all day.
I used to have a group on skype where I gave free tips to people and help them make a living. What they gave me in return is proof of address in non restricted countries so I could open multiple account to avoid limits before the exchange markets came to be.

Betting on favourites is where the bookmakers make their money. They attract every idiot to bet on those games that aren’t as sure as they look to be. And they give odds so low that they creat themselves a huge edge. And most of the time they win. Take this weekend for example, Bayern and PARIS didn’t manage to win. Last week Real Madrid lost. Favourites don’t always win at all. People creat parlay tickets on them, and there’s always one to lose and the bookmakers cash in.

Betting on football is about finding value. And today there are plenty of markets to find that. If betting I low odds is your thing, like me, find valuable ones. In laying scores, or in the goal markets for example. Not by betting on faves. I wish I could help you but besides giving you my bets everyday there is not much I can do. It’s lal about knowledge. That’s why it’s a full time job for me.

This weekend I placed 38 bets and won 36. Low odds though, but enough to make plenty of profit with good management.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 03:31 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 25, 06:09 PM 2017
Cold war between Neymar and Cavani. Mbappe tweet shows whose side his on. Who takes the next penalty ?

The media create that. I actually go to the stadium for every game since 20 years. I’ll be there on Wednesday too for Bayern. And if there is a penalty, Cavani will shoot it. Neymar will only take them when the team is a few goals ahead already. When they don’t matter as much. Not in finals, not on draws.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 03:33 AM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 25, 06:04 PM 2017

Bayern visits PSG on Wednesday -- the first real test for you guys.

Your defense is shaky and does not inspire much confidence, so a lot depends on your much vaunted offense to do its job.

I have to disagree on that brother. We have three of the worlds best defensors. We only took one goal since the beginning of the season which is better that every other European team.
And I don’t think either that Wednesday is a great test. Bayern is far fro being at the top of their form. They lost to week teams this months. And they’re coming to PARIS without neuer and alaba. Should be easy for Paris. The real test will come in April. When it goes doesn’t to the last 8.
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Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 26, 04:43 AM 2017
Thanks for sharing all this info. What sort of Fooball bets do you do? as i also like to bet on it. Won big a couple of times on accumulators but normally just do correct score first scorer etc as fun bets. I havent tried the in game betting yet?
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 04:50 AM 2017
Mate i would love to continue chatting about football with you guys. I could do it all day. But I don’t know if it’s the right place. We’re spposed to talk about roulette and the system I just delivered. I don’t know if the others will enjoy or football chats.
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Post by: denzie on Sep 26, 04:59 AM 2017
Who cares what they think. Nobody forcing them to read. Anyway you already gave few good pointers. Thx  :thumbsup:

I will take a look though. Mostly I bet on many mixed bets. The payout is huge but to win.....lol

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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 05:02 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 26, 04:59 AM 2017
Who cares what they think. Nobody forcing them to read. Anyway you already gave few good pointers. Thx  :thumbsup:

I will take a look though. Mostly I bet on many mixed bets. The payout is huge but to win.....lol

Never bet on combined bets. Bet on singles. With my money management. This way when you lose you don’t lose it all. And the growth can continue.
Parlays are the way bookmakers become rich.
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Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 26, 05:05 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 26, 04:50 AM 2017
Mate i would love to continue chatting about football with you guys. I could do it all day. But I don’t know if it’s the right place. We’re spposed to talk about roulette and the system I just delivered. I don’t know if the others will enjoy or football chats.

No worries had always looked at football bets as adding a bit of fun to games when my team isnt playing/being shown on the TV.
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Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 26, 05:10 AM 2017
Would love to be able to turn round to the Mrs the next time she moans im watching football again and say "shhh im hard at work making money"
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 05:13 AM 2017
Lol. This is actually what my life is like. I spoil my wife a lot. So she learned that when there is for football on tv she has to respect it. She won’t ever complain about it.

But there’s not much I can teach you guys about football, except for what odds to look at and which money management. But besides that, the bet selection is about knowledge. There’s no rule like at the roulette.
The only thing I can do is give you my bets. But I can’t teach you to do it alone. It’s just not possible.
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Post by: denzie on Sep 26, 05:19 AM 2017
Well of course the knowledge is important. It gives the edge. That cant be teached. But those who do have it ....They need to know what kind of bets are the best . Scores ? Time when they score ? Draws ? Etc

But of course you can say all bets too. Lol. Joking  ;)
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Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 26, 05:26 AM 2017
Sounds like heaven and then i remember who im married too  :'(
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 26, 05:13 AM 2017
Lol. This is actually what my life is like. I spoil my wife a lot. So she learned that when there is for football on tv she has to respect it. She won’t ever complain about it.

But there’s not much I can teach you guys about football, except for what odds to look at and which money management. But besides that, the bet selection is about knowledge. There’s no rule like at the roulette.
The only thing I can do is give you my bets. But I can’t teach you to do it alone. It’s just not possible.
Sounds cool. My wife would find something to moan about,shes one of lifes moaners  :-X
If you could give an example of what odds you look for and what MM be much appreciated and then i'll ask no more regards football, unless Spurs ever get you in the champions league, might see if you can sort some tickets  :thumbsup:
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Post by: boyd30 on Sep 26, 06:08 AM 2017
Steven, I have a question. I play like Andre Chass but only make one bet per day. I don't have the time/opportunist to do 8 bets per day. If so I would divide the stake with 8? What will I bet if I loose? There is no real good progression on this I guess. Sorry, I don't understand the money management so well.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 07:07 AM 2017
Last week I deposit 200 euros in a new bwin account to test their roulette. I showed you how I turned it into 340 Euros that same day.
I stopped using the roulette because I couldn’t help myself from thinking that there is a magnet in their ball. The behaviour looks way to weird it makes me paranoid. And you see three same numbers hitting in a row like every ten minutes in those tables so I’d rather stay away.

Instead I used the sport betting. The new balance after a couple day is 980. Just to show you that with good money management everything is possible. If your thing is the roulette, it will work for you too.

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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 07:16 AM 2017
Lol now I just got a dozen private messages asking me about football betting. Oops.
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Post by: iar000 on Sep 26, 07:25 AM 2017
Hi Steven.... I play betting football tooo.. What kind of betting you use like over or under goals, what is your trick
Thanks
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 07:49 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 26, 07:25 AM 2017
Hi Steven.... I play betting football tooo.. What kind of betting you use like over or under goals, what is your trick
Thanks

My trick is knowledge. Sorry I can’t help more mate.
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Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 26, 08:03 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 26, 07:49 AM 2017
My trick is knowledge. Sorry I can’t help more mate.

Any chance of the odds you look at? Is the MM the same one you use for the roulette?
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 08:06 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Sep 26, 08:03 AM 2017
Any chance of the odds you look at? Is the MM the same one you use for the roulette?

The mm is the same and it’s the key to success. As far as odds I look at anything that I judge has value. I mean by that that the bookmaker is paying more than deserve. But my sweet spot is 1.20 - 1.30. Take 5 of those per day and your attack is over.
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Post by: boyd30 on Sep 26, 08:31 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 26, 08:06 AM 2017
The mm is the same and it’s the key to success. As far as odds I look at anything that I judge has value. I mean by that that the bookmaker is paying more than deserve. But my sweet spot is 1.20 - 1.30. Take 5 of those per day and your attack is over.

Is it single bets or you play them together (multiply the odds)? Besides I think it takes a great knowledge for football (soccer).
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Post by: iar000 on Sep 26, 08:38 AM 2017
Hi Steve ... Give and example of you MM

Thanks
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Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 26, 08:39 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 26, 08:06 AM 2017
The mm is the same and it’s the key to success. As far as odds I look at anything that I judge has value. I mean by that that the bookmaker is paying more than deserve. But my sweet spot is 1.20 - 1.30. Take 5 of those per day and your attack is over.

Thanks i'll have a look at this. How good it wood be to be winning at the football while winning at roulette on the laptop and the mrs bringing me a cold beer! Well 2 out of 3 wont be bad  8)
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Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 26, 09:46 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 26, 03:33 AM 2017

We have three of the worlds best defensors. We only took one goal since the beginning of the season which is better that every other European team.


Steven,
No offense meant, but that is in Ligue 1 (and maybe the domestic cup), though -- you know what people outside of France think of Ligue 1 (in terms of the overall quality of the teams).

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Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 26, 09:50 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 26, 05:19 AM 2017

They need to know what kind of bets are the best . Scores ? Time when they score ? Draws ? Etc
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I think Denzie has asked a fair question above -- what "parameters" do you target for betting?
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Post by: cht on Sep 26, 10:00 AM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 26, 09:46 AM 2017
Steven,
No offense meant, but that is in Ligue 1 (and maybe the domestic cup), though -- you know what people outside of France think of Ligue 1 (in terms of the overall quality of the teams).
Agree. Neymar may not be in the starting 11. I like PSG with Neymar and Cavani but this acid test is a hurdle for them so early into the season.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 11:01 AM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 26, 09:50 AM 2017
I think Denzie has asked a fair question above -- what "parameters" do you target for betting?

There is not just one category. I bet on anything and everything as long as there is value. Before kick off and in play.
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Post by: iar000 on Sep 26, 11:06 AM 2017
Hi Steve ... Give and example of your money management in betting football

Thanks
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 11:08 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 26, 11:06 AM 2017
Hi Steve ... Give and example of your money management in betting football

Thanks

It’s already in the thread you can read about it. 
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Post by: iar000 on Sep 26, 11:12 AM 2017
Sorry where ....
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 11:17 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 26, 11:12 AM 2017
Sorry where ....

Don’t be lazy scroll up. Don’t make me do all the work for you ..
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Post by: iar000 on Sep 26, 11:48 AM 2017
Hi  again Steve ... I have some difficulties in english because i speak french... Give me an example for football betting please help me whit money management... For example i like to bet on over 1.5 goals whit odds between 1.2-1.65.

Thanks
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 02:56 PM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 26, 11:48 AM 2017
Hi  again Steve ... I have some difficulties in english because i speak french... Give me an example for football betting please help me whit money management... For example i like to bet on over 1.5 goals whit odds between 1.2-1.65.

Thanks

What is your success rate on over 1.5
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Post by: iar000 on Sep 26, 04:26 PM 2017
Y success rate is around 85%
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Post by: Madi on Sep 26, 04:36 PM 2017
Guys i m gonna update a bit as i m doing testing for 30 session. Its a double dozon play with 4 step marti.started with a bankroll 148883. Played 13 session so far . One session comes up with 80 win others busted for progression. Bankroll standing now 118503. From now i will keep posting every session with summery whatever it goes up or down. Cheers
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Post by: Madi on Sep 26, 04:50 PM 2017
Running 14th session. Game 35 progression busted for first dozon comes up 10,9,8,12 back to back.bank is 113683. Continue........
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Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 26, 05:39 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 26, 04:50 PM 2017
Running 14th session. Game 35 progression busted for first dozon comes up 10,9,8,12 back to back.bank is 113683. Continue........

I'm following your betting sessions. Good luck!
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 05:46 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 26, 05:39 PM 2017
I'm following your betting sessions. Good luck!

Don’t you see that’s he’s lying. He’s doing this to fight me. No proof of what he says. And no details either on what casino, software, account type, etc... 

You’re so unconstructive Madi. You’re not even doing properly as I explained. I can see already two rules you broke.
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Post by: Madi on Sep 26, 06:11 PM 2017
Session 15. Passed 80 games . Its a win.
Balance 121783. When you lose addition , substruction , multiplication nothing work. Everyone can test by themselves. Nothing hard. No need to trust my one 100%
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 06:32 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 26, 06:11 PM 2017
Session 15. Passed 80 games . Its a win.
Balance 121783. When you lose addition , substruction , multiplication nothing work. Everyone can test by themselves. Nothing hard. No need to trust my one 100%

You’re not doing the money management right. Idiot.
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Post by: Madi on Sep 26, 06:45 PM 2017
If it loses 22times out of 30 do u have any kind of mm that u can make it plus.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 26, 06:48 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 26, 06:45 PM 2017
If it loses 22times out of 30 do u have any kind of mm that u can make it plus.

First of all you play the system wrong. The bet selection is not what you described.
Second You invented that number. You wouldn’t have time to test it 30 times unless it was on a fast speed rng. Which of course would mean nothing.

Why don’t you post screenshot of your tests ?? Liar. And even if it did lose that much, it wouldn’t be that bad. The loss would be very small. Win 1 session more and you break even.
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Post by: Madi on Sep 26, 07:03 PM 2017
Its last two appearing dozon. A dozon comes 4 times in a row . Do i need to invent it?? Why dont you demonstrate it by playing spin by spin and with different screenshot and graphs to others? You will have always the same problem when any other test it.
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Post by: cht on Sep 26, 10:30 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 26, 06:45 PM 2017
If it loses 22times out of 30 do u have any kind of mm that u can make it plus.
Bet as a casino would, you will be well up by now.  :thumbsup: As you said it earlier it's a guarantee, right.

Blue_Angel wrote this at betselection -

If someone wants to be long term winner he/she has to act like the casino.
The casino doesn't attempting to predict but profits when predictions fail.
It's much more easier to gain from what is not going to happen rather than trying to predict what will happen.


Your current test is a demonstration of Blue_Angel's idea.

The failure of all system betselection is they're based on this attempt to predict what will occur in the future which math shows that it's impossible. The casino sits comfortably on the other side to happily book your bets and winning by the billions.  :lol:
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 01:39 AM 2017
Whats not going to happen is also prediction. Are u saying to play any EC with progression and mm or just opposite of a system?
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 02:19 AM 2017
Like I said, you are playing both the system AND the money management wrong. You haven’t understood how the money management work. Maybe that’s why you keep saying that things don’t work. Because you don’t understand things.
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:15 AM 2017
Ye its very hard to understand.
"So in our case, we play 80 times a sequence that has 1/80th chance to lose."

Whats wrong if it loses  everytime.
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:18 AM 2017
One more thing . I want to go in my b$ m casino with ur string. How can i get it.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:19 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:15 AM 2017
Ye its very hard to understand.
"So in our case, we play 80 times a sequence that has 1/80th chance to lose."

Whats wrong if it loses  everytime.

You’re not playing the bet selection correctly. And you are not staking like I explained in my money management. I actually have no idea what you’re doing. You didn’t understand anything man. You just too busy criticiizng. You had warned me before I posted that you would judge immediately before testing if it would work or not. At least that’s once thing you didn’t lie on.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:20 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:18 AM 2017
One more thing . I want to go in my b$ m casino with ur string. How can i get it.

The few times in played in a casino I used my iPhone and I sat at the air ball.
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Post by: Turner on Sep 27, 03:23 AM 2017
This is classic and right on cue..ala John Legend.
If someone is losing they arnt doing it right

Show us how its done on Steves game
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:28 AM 2017
Airball is rng. You dont accept the rng. And also rng will shoot down any marti in its way. If i get my phone in live dealer wheel they will slap me down and kick out. Then.................
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:28 AM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 27, 03:23 AM 2017
This is classic and right on cue..ala John Legend.
If someone is losing they arnt doing it right

Show us how its done on Steves game

Come on Turner I expected more of you. It doesn’t take one a lot of neurones to understand he’s doing everything wrong, or that his only target is to prove a point and that he’s not even playing the sessions he says he is. He doesn’t want to post screenshot of what he’s doing, or even saying what stupid software he is doing.

I clearly stated that you had to stake 1/5th of his bankroll on each session. You can see according to what he’s reporting that he’s not doing that. And the bet selection he’s using has nothing to do with what’s described.

I agree to show you live, but with a little twist, I will explain in a minute.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:28 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:28 AM 2017
Airball is rng. You dont accept the rng. And also rng will shoot down any marti in its way. If i get my phone in live dealer wheel they will slap me down and kick out. Then.................

Then play at home or use another system.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:32 AM 2017
Turner, like I’ve said before I don’t play the roulette because I don’t enjoy it. But this whole thing is not about the system. That everybody understood. What you need an example of is the money management.

I propose, and if you accept ill give you the details before starting, to demonstrate you the money management on a football account. I’ll be precise and always compare it to the roulette, and I’ll explain everyday why I staked what and what happened.

Can I post for 30 days using a football scenario, or should I go do it in a football forum? That’s the best I can offer if you want me to show to everyone how my system works and why it’s so successful.
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:34 AM 2017
Do ur casino live wheel allow phone using?
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:35 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:34 AM 2017
Do ur casino live wheel allow phone using?

Yes it does. As long as I keep it on my knees and not on the table. I actually used to go with an iPad mini. But i imagine you want to try to argue on this too ?
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:40 AM 2017
Sorry dude we are not allowed to put on knees as well and to use in live wheel. I dont know where u play.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:41 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:40 AM 2017
Sorry dude we are not allowed to put on knees as well and to use in live wheel. I dont know where u play.

that's your problem not mine
in that case pay at home or another system 
the system is not the most important part  its the money management 
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Post by: cht on Sep 27, 03:45 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:34 AM 2017
Do ur casino live wheel allow phone using?
My local b&m casino allows phone at the electronic dealer tables, they even have charging ports. Usage near their manual tables is not allowed.
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:46 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 03:45 AM 2017
My local b&m casino allows phone at the electronic table, they even have charging ports. Usage near their manual table is not allowed.

my casino is in colombia and they are not too strict 
but we've already had that chat for pages in the thread 3 years ago when i first posted it 
today its about the money management 
thats what make this or many other system successfu
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:46 AM 2017
As the system is not so important . Can i play a double dozon with ur money management on rng  as you play airball which is also rng
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:48 AM 2017
Or i can play code 4
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:49 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:48 AM 2017
Or i can play code 4

yes
code 4 works
not rng
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:53 AM 2017
Actually playing with phone in manual wheel is not only my problem . I can see other people cant play as well. I believe an reputed casino wont allow this.
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 03:55 AM 2017
As i can see you also dont accept past recorded data from live wheel bcz u said it can be altered to make you lose. Whats you suggestion then?
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Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:59 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 03:55 AM 2017
As i can see you also dont accept past recorded data from live wheel bcz u said it can be altered to make you lose. Whats you suggestion then?

do what you want with your life dude i dont care 
do what makes you happy

i have no more time to waste on you
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Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 04:11 AM 2017
Good on you . Guys any of you plz play with this special mm with your own system and report us if possible. As i am intentionally  making it lose or i got less understanding in this up and down bet portion .
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Post by: cht on Sep 27, 04:21 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:32 AM 2017
Turner, like I’ve said before I don’t play the roulette because I don’t enjoy it. But this whole thing is not about the system. That everybody understood. What you need an example of is the money management.

I propose, and if you accept ill give you the details before starting, to demonstrate you the money management on a football account. I’ll be precise and always compare it to the roulette, and I’ll explain everyday why I staked what and what happened.

Can I post for 30 days using a football scenario, or should I go do it in a football forum? That’s the best I can offer if you want me to show to everyone how my system works and why it’s so successful.
Hey Steven

It's great if you can do this.

Perhaps open a new thread for this here
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=106.0
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Post by: Turner on Sep 27, 04:32 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:32 AM 2017
Turner, like I’ve said before I don’t play the roulette because I don’t enjoy it. But this whole thing is not about the system. That everybody understood. What you need an example of is the money management.

I propose, and if you accept ill give you the details before starting, to demonstrate you the money management on a football account. I’ll be precise and always compare it to the roulette, and I’ll explain everyday why I staked what and what happened.

Can I post for 30 days using a football scenario, or should I go do it in a football forum? That’s the best I can offer if you want me to show to everyone how my system works and why it’s so successful.
Its not up to me what you post. I think many here would enjoy your 30 day footie thing.
People wrongly think that ever time I speak I am moderating them
You posted what you promised. I appreciated that

You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.
John Lydgate
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 04:55 AM 2017
Ok, for those interested in my money management, wether they just want proof that it works, or are trying to understand how it works, I am going to document a football challenge for the next 30 days.
Since I started talking about football, a lot of you have messaged me privately to ask me about it. One person in particular asked me for help managing his account. His story made me sad and I decide to do a good thing and help him out. He opened yesterday a betfair account, as I told him to do, and deposited 240 pounds in the account. I promised to him that I will try to multiply is at least by 5 in the next 30 days in order to help him to get himself out of troubles. I agreed to one month only completely for free. And no need for others to ask me to do it. I don’t have time. I can only do it on one extra account.

In football, one session as described in my money management lasts approximately two days. The reason is that I depend o football schedule to finish my session, while at the roulette you can play in your schedule and all day long. All this to say that in the next 15 days I presume that I will be able to play approximately 15 sessions, give or take.
Another difference is that I will not divide the balance by 5, but by 3 in order to calculate my session betting size. The reason for this is that the guy is willing to be more aggressive in order to reach his necessary target.

So let’s get started. Attached you can see the account on day one. 240£.

For my first attack, I will divide the bank into three pockets. The first pocket of 80£ is what I have to double in my first attack. I will take 2/2.5 days to do try to do so.
I will place in average 10 bets during those 2 days, which I must all win I order to double the 80£.
The stake for every bet is 80£. I will NOT compound and add the winings after each bet. It’s exactly the same for the roulette.

See you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 04:57 AM 2017
A note for Madi: this is how you test things. You follow the rules.
If I say you should test 30 sessions in 30 days, you shouldn’t play them all stubbornly and continuously in 6 hours. You should explain step by step what you do. I’m not going to come in one month and say “hey I tried so it works I won 20 sessions and lost only 1” like you.
I describe things in details. I post screenshots as supporting evidence, and I discuss every step of the process. That’s how things are tested. Not like you do it. Refusing to post evidence, and just saying what you want to say. Follow my experiment, you will be pleasantly surprise d
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:06 AM 2017
Steven, I appreciate your help, but something I really don't understand, you saying repeatedly that you don't like roulette, how comes that you are all the fine logged in to this forum ??!?

Second thing, you saying that your system works long term, why don't you show us your profits from roulette ??


Forget sport betting, it has nothing with roulette... football betting is a skill you can mature if you understand football !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 27, 05:12 AM 2017
Perhaps stephen is better placed to explain money management via sports bets so we can fully get it rather than roulette

Its up to us to use it or lose it with regards to roulette....not him

Hes not posted anything yet lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 05:13 AM 2017
Looking forward to following this! Football bets and a MM that you can use in roulette as well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:16 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:06 AM 2017
Steven, I appreciate your help, but something I really don't understand, you saying repeatedly that you don't like roulette, how comes that you are all the fine logged in to this forum ??!?

Second thing, you saying that your system works long term, why don't you show us your profits from roulette ??


Forget sport betting, it has nothing with roulette... football betting is a skill you can mature if you understand football !

Im amused how people here always focus on the least important thing here. In my office where I dedicate myself to sport betting I have 4 computer screens, 2 iPads and two TVs. So on one of my screen I have the website opened. I answer quickly because I m always connected to the internet for work, and i receive an email each time there is a message posted on here.

I don’t play the roulette, as explained before, because I don’t like it. I don’t enjoy it. In my money mamegment explanation I tell you that you will win profit if you lose the same amount than you win. But at football I win much more than I lose, so why would I play the roulette if I already make huge profit. If you want to see my football profit, just say it, and I will send you 50 screenshots right now, including a screenshot of the biggest withdrawal I’ve ever made. You won’t sleep for two days.

If you guys don’t care about sports betting that’s fine I don’t need to post. I was just doing this to demonstrate the money management because I though you were interested. But it’s not that different form the roulette. I bet on low odds. Like a street or a double street at the roulette. You could get the same strike rate than me at the roulette.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:27 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:16 AM 2017
Im amused how people here always focus on the least important thing here. In my office where I dedicate myself to sport betting I have 4 computer screens, 2 iPads and two TVs. So on one of my screen I have the website opened. I answer quickly because I m always connected to the internet for work, and i receive an email each time there is a message posted on here.

I don’t play the roulette, as explained before, because I don’t like it. I don’t enjoy it. In my money mamegment explanation I tell you that you will win profit if you lose the same amount than you win. But at football I win much more than I lose, so why would I play the roulette if I already make huge profit. If you want to see my football profit, just say it, and I will send you 50 screenshots right now, including a screenshot of the biggest withdrawal I’ve ever made. You won’t sleep for two days.

If you guys don’t care about sports betting that’s fine I don’t need to post. I was just doing this to demonstrate the money management because I though you were interested. But it’s not that different form the roulette. I bet on low odds. Like a street or a double street at the roulette. You could get the same strike rate than me at the roulette.

The probability say that for double dozens you win 62 out of 100...
So if we extend this to 30 days you will win 18 days and lose 12 days, starting with a bankroll 1000 and playing daily only 1/5 which is 200 you Gona end up with 1200 at the end month.. looks fine but the big problem lies in the fact that those 12 loses can be consecutive... it is enough that you lose 5 consecutive days and you are screwed.

Bye
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:31 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:27 AM 2017
The probability say that for double dozens you win 62 out of 100...
So if we extend this to 30 days you will win 18 days and lose 12 days, starting with a bankroll 1000 and playing daily only 1/5 which is 200 you Gona end up with 1200 at the end month.. looks fine but the big problem lies in the fact that those 12 loses can be consecutive... it is enough that you lose 5 consecutive days and you are screwed.

Bye

You are 100% WRONG. that’s the beauty of my system. You could have the first 12 days to be consecutive losses and only then start winning, and you would end up in big profit. With your example, the bankroll at the end of the 30 days would over 7500 if you had started at 1000 with the first 12 days all losses.

You are one more proof that people criticise and don’t even understand
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 05:34 AM 2017
Do you know what makes the difference? Its the prediction not ur mm only. You might have better predicting ability in sports  rather than roulette. When the inventor published code 4 do you know what he wrote? It a hit and run strategy ? Do unknow why ? He knows better whats gonna happen in long term.  And yes steven whats the differece if i play 30 session at a time or in a month.??
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:36 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:31 AM 2017
You are 100% WRONG. that’s the beauty of my system. You could have the first 12 days to be consecutive losses and only then start winning, and you would end up in big profit. With your example, the bankroll at the end of the 30 days would over 7500 if you had started at 1000 with the first 12 days all losses.

You are one more proof that people criticise and don’t even understand

Lol. Everybody understood that you recommend a starting bankroll of 1000 and you stake max 1/5=200 daily on double dozens, either you win +200 or lose -200 in both case you stop and come the next day.

Isn't this your system ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:39 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:36 AM 2017
Lol. Everybody understood that you recommend a starting bankroll of 1000 and you stake max 1/5=200 daily on double dozens, either you win +200 or lose -200 in both case you stop and come the next day.

Isn't this your system ?

Not exactly no. First Madi has been using it wrong. Now You said in your previous message that if you lose 12 sessions in row you would not be profitable. This is wrong. Even if you lose 15 of them in a row you still have profit at the end of the month. Do you believe me or do you need me to prove it to you.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 05:39 AM 2017
Hehe u also dont understand ? I thought that its only me
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:42 AM 2017
Kingsmaq at this moment you have two options.

1. Post the following message “I was wrong Steven, and you are right that even if you lose 12 sessions in row you can still finish the month in HUGE profit”
2. Don’t post it, and I’m gonna prove to you that I’m right and to everyone else here that you criticise things without understanding them.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:43 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:39 AM 2017
Not exactly no. First Madi has been using it wrong. Now You said in your previous message that if you lose 12 sessions in row you would not be profitable. This is wrong. Even if you lose 15 of them in a row you still have profit at the end of the month. Do you believe me or do you need me to prove it to you.

Go ahead mate, prove this to us .
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 05:47 AM 2017
"If u lose fist 15 in a row u will be in profit" show us steven.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 05:49 AM 2017
Ye plz dont forget to complete ur 4 step marti progression.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:55 AM 2017
Hold on man, Steven adjusts his stake after every cycle.

I didn't notice that. This is a nice trick I haven't tested yet such adaption
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:59 AM 2017
Arghh I hate you for wasting my time. But ok let’s do it. You said that the system could win 18 sessions and lose 12 realistically speaking, but that the problem is that if the 12 losing sessions happen consecutively it will lose. So let’s prove you wrong. You want a starting balance of 1000, no problem.

Staritng balance £1000
Day 1: lost. £900
Day 2: lost. £810
Day 3: lost. £729
Day 4: lost. £656.10
Day 5: lost. £510.49
Day 6: lost. £531.441
Day 7: lost. £478.29
Day 8: lost. £430.46
Day 9: lost. £387.41
Day 10: lost. £348.67
Day 11: lost. £313.80
Day 12: lost. £282.42
Day 13: won. £338.90
Day 14: won. £406.69
Day 15: won. £488.03
Day 16: won. £585.63
Day 18: won. £702.76
Day 19: won. £843.31
Day 20: won. £1,011.97
Day 21: won. £1,214.37
Day 22: won. £1,457.24
Day 23: won. £1,748.69
Day 24: won. £2,098.43
Day 25: won. £2,518.12
Day 26: won. £3,021.75
Day 27: won. £3,626.10
Day 28: won. £4,351.32
Day 29: won. £5,221.59
Day 30: won. £6,265.90

Boom. Total profit over 30 sessions starting with 12 consecutive losses: £5,265
The system protects you during the losing streaks and helps you recover when you win. The wins are exponential and the losses are the opposite. The facts that you win more than you win than you lose when you lose makes sure that even if you lose more sessions than you win you can still end up in profit. I gave you something magic, that I have been using for 5yeqrs and all you do is complain.
I just proved you wrong and I proved that Madi is using it wrong in his childish test as well.

I’ll accept a collective apology from the two of you.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:03 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 05:55 AM 2017
Hold on man, Steven adjusts his stake after every cycle.

I didn't notice that. This is a nice trick I haven't tested yet such adaption

Ah finally the beginning of an admission of guilt.
As you can see in my test, the more lose the more protected you are, to ensure you never bust. And it only takes 7 wins to recover your 12 consecutive losses.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RayManZ on Sep 27, 06:07 AM 2017
But with a 1000 dollar bankroll divided by 5 is a 200 session bankroll?


Total bankroll: 1000
Session bankroll: 200
Win goal: Session bankroll
Stoploss: Session bankroll

Session bankroll is 20% of Total bankroll.
Always recalculate after a session.

I don't understand why people have a hard time understanding this...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 06:08 AM 2017
Hi Steven
When i was looking at this i split the 1000 into 5 so my loses were 200 then 160 the 128 etc etc and not the 100 90 81 that you show. Im i doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:08 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:03 AM 2017
Ah finally the beginning of an admission of guilt.
As you can see in my test, the more lose the more protected you are, to ensure you never bust. And it only takes 7 wins to recover your 12 consecutive losses.

My dear friend Steven, I am here to get new ideas and help others with mine.

When i checked your system again i found that you adjust your stakes... that's cool man.

But I don't understand how you calculated your loses above.

If I start with 1000 bankroll and I am supposed to stake 80 which represents 200 chips that I must recycle on the roulette table and I am supposed either to be +200 or -200.

According to your calculus the first day I lose my bankroll drops to 900 !! That's wrong because it should drop to 800 !!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:14 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:08 AM 2017
My dear friend Steven, I am here to get new ideas and help others with mine.

When i checked your system again i found that you adjust your stakes... that's cool man.

But I don't understand how you calculated your loses above.

If I start with 1000 bankroll and I am supposed to stake 80 which represents 200 chips that I must recycle on the roulette table and I am supposed either to be +200 or -200.

According to your calculus the first day I lose my bankroll drops to 900 !! That's wrong because it should drop to 800 !!!!

No it doesn’t this is written in my original post as well I don’t understand why I have to explain everything a hundred times. But I’ll explain again.

In the example of code4, the session is 80 units. If you bust on your first bet, you will be at -80 units. But if you bust on your 10th bet, you will be at -70 only because you have won 10 units before busting.
Sometimes you will bust on the first bet and lose the full 80 units. But sometimes you will lose on the last best and lose only 1 unit because you’ve won 79 before losing. So you don’t lose your full stake ! This is th beauty of it.
For the purpose of calculation, we assume that in every lost session you bust right in the middle, which is the average of losing in the first bet vs the last bet. And it’s a realistic average because I’ve been playing this for 5 years.
So we assume that you lose your session on the 40th bet. Right in the middle.
In our example, the first session has 200 bet size. You progression buts in the middle of your session. You lose 200, but you have also won 100. Therefore you only lose 100 in this session. Your new bankroll is 900.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:14 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 06:08 AM 2017
Hi Steven
When i was looking at this i split the 1000 into 5 so my loses were 200 then 160 the 128 etc etc and not the 100 90 81 that you show. Im i doing something wrong?

Read my last post I just answered that same question.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:16 AM 2017
Turner accused me of being like johnlegend by saying that people don’t understand when they tell me my system doesn’t work.
I think this all proves that I was right in saying people didn’t understand. Because most of you actually didn’t understand it. I’m here to help if you guys need more help. Just ask your question.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RayManZ on Sep 27, 06:18 AM 2017
Well you did not mention this:

For the purpose of calculation, we assume that in every lost session you bust right in the middle, which is the average of losing in the first bet vs the last bet. And it’s a realistic average because I’ve been playing this for 5 years.

So i can understand why people did have different results... They were working with a full bust. not a 50% bust...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:19 AM 2017
Can anyone here get this ?? !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:19 AM 2017
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 27, 06:18 AM 2017
Well you did not mention this:

For the purpose of calculation, we assume that in every lost session you bust right in the middle, which is the average of losing in the first bet vs the last bet. And it’s a realistic average because I’ve been playing this for 5 years.

So i can understand why people did have different results... They were working with a full bust. not a 50% bust...

WRONG. I DID MENTION THIS.

“The second option is that you bust the progression. In that case, the session is over as well. You go take a break, and restart a new session when you are ready. But what you need to know, and it’s beautiful, is that when you lose you generally don’t lose everything. If you lose on the first bet, you lost everything. If you lose on the last bet, you lost only 1 unit because at that moment you already have a 79 unit profit. Everything will happen. Sometimes you will lose at the beginning, in the middle, or at then end. So for the purpose of example and calculation, let’s suppose you lose exactly half way all the time. You bust you progression once you’ve won 40 units. This means that in our example you haven’t lost your entire 200 chip pocket but just 100 chips. Therefore, you achieve -10% of roi on your total bankroll, and have 90% of your bankroll left. “
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:19 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:19 AM 2017
Can anyone here get this ?? !

What don’t you get ? Everything is simple. Tell me what you don’t 7nderstand.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RayManZ on Sep 27, 06:22 AM 2017
Well i did not read it. Maybe i was to fast. Just like some other members.

But you don't have to shout. You're doing just fine.

I think your MM is perfect. Everybody should play like this. I can make many methods a winner. I believe Ignatus has many systems that have a 70 to 80% winrate.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:25 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:19 AM 2017
What don’t you get ? Everything is simple. Tell me what you don’t 7nderstand.

I am at work now sorry i can't focus.
I only understand from your correction that you can only bust the 4 step progression which will cost me 100.

Thx
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 06:28 AM 2017
Assume the average loss of a loss session is 50% of session br, average loss per session = $200*50%*100= -$100

Every win session is a win of +$200

Assume 50% of sessions are loss sessions ie. 15sessions then the net profit per month is -

$200*15sessions - $100*15sessions = $ 1500 net profit or 150% roi per month

That's how a losing 50% sessions ie. 15sessions will still return a profit. Well, anything better.....

Find yourself a solid betselection, a casino that allows you to use your phone plus the casino that pays with high table limits and allows you long term play........I leave you to imagine the rest......
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:28 AM 2017
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 27, 06:22 AM 2017
Well i did not read it. Maybe i was to fast. Just like some other members.

But you don't have to shout. You're doing just fine.

I think your MM is perfect. Everybody should play like this. I can make many methods a winner. I believe Ignatus has many systems that have a 70 to 80% winrate.

Thanks. I was staring to wonder what the hell was happening. I give you a magic money management that no one has been using. And that turn anything speculative activity into a cash machine, and no one reacted except to tell me I was a fool you can understand my frustration.

FYI, this money management works with the roulette, with football betting, even with forex and binary options. Whatever your style is, you should stake like I stake. You can’t lose. A 50% hit rate will give you great profit and you only need to win 40% if your attacks for breakeve.
It cannot bust your bankroll. Just reduce it. You can play it forever. It survives any losing streak.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 06:30 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:14 AM 2017
Read my last post I just answered that same question.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:30 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 06:28 AM 2017
Assume the average loss of a loss session is 50% of session br, average loss per session = $200*50%*100= -$100

Every win session is a win of +$200

Assume 50% of sessions are loss sessions ie. 15sessions then the net profit per month is -

$200*15sessions - $100*15sessions = $ 1500 net profit or 150% roi per month

Find yourself a solid betselection, a casino that allows you to use your phone plus the casino that pays with high able limits and allows you long term play........you imagine the rest......

You don’t even need that. Play with a system like the one of Andre Chass. No need for a phone, no need to play 80 spins per session. It works with any system that has a 50% chance of success.

If I had to play it, I would not play it with code 4. I would cover 11 double street out of 12. You need 11 wins to win a session. If you lose before the 11th bet you didn’t lose it all. And you’re ready to continue.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 06:34 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:30 AM 2017
You don’t even need that. Play with a system like the one of Andre Chass. No need for a phone, no need to play 80 spins per session. It works with any system that has a 50% chance of success.

If I had to play it, I would not play it with code 4. I would cover 11 double street out of 12. You need 11 wins to win a session. If you lose before the 11th bet you didn’t lose it all. And you’re ready to continue.
My casino allows me to use the phone openly, this gives me the added advantage of playing with solid betselection. :thumbsup:

In fact, I've completed my 1st test session dublinbet real money session played on the modified flatbet EC code4 modified MM and it break-even. Lets see.....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:39 AM 2017
But guys sorry for this, why one need phone for that ?

I thought most of you play live roulette.

Steven, my favourite table in one casino doesn't have 0,5 and 0,25 cents !

I think you will rarely find a fair table with such low stake.

Any idea ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:42 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:39 AM 2017
But guys sorry for this, why one need phone for that ?

I thought most of you play live roulette.

Steven, my favourite table in one casino doesn't have 0,5 and 0,25 cents !

I think you will rarely find a fair table with such low stake.

Any idea ?

Play online. They have live dealers for 50cent.
For those of you that are worried about having your withdrawal blocked by the casino (once you become rich with my magic system !), I also know a way around this. To prevent the casino from knowing you are milking them.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:45 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:59 AM 2017
Arghh I hate you for wasting my time. But ok let’s do it. You said that the system could win 18 sessions and lose 12 realistically speaking, but that the problem is that if the 12 losing sessions happen consecutively it will lose. So let’s prove you wrong. You want a starting balance of 1000, no problem.

Staritng balance £1000
Day 1: lost. £900
Day 2: lost. £810
Day 3: lost. £729
Day 4: lost. £656.10
Day 5: lost. £510.49
Day 6: lost. £531.441
Day 7: lost. £478.29
Day 8: lost. £430.46
Day 9: lost. £387.41
Day 10: lost. £348.67
Day 11: lost. £313.80
Day 12: lost. £282.42
Day 13: won. £338.90
Day 14: won. £406.69
Day 15: won. £488.03
Day 16: won. £585.63
Day 18: won. £702.76
Day 19: won. £843.31
Day 20: won. £1,011.97
Day 21: won. £1,214.37
Day 22: won. £1,457.24
Day 23: won. £1,748.69
Day 24: won. £2,098.43
Day 25: won. £2,518.12
Day 26: won. £3,021.75
Day 27: won. £3,626.10
Day 28: won. £4,351.32
Day 29: won. £5,221.59
Day 30: won. £6,265.90

Boom. Total profit over 30 sessions starting with 12 consecutive losses: £5,265
The system protects you during the losing streaks and helps you recover when you win. The wins are exponential and the losses are the opposite. The facts that you win more than you win than you lose when you lose makes sure that even if you lose more sessions than you win you can still end up in profit. I gave you something magic, that I have been using for 5yeqrs and all you do is complain.
I just proved you wrong and I proved that Madi is using it wrong in his childish test as well.

I’ll accept a collective apology from the two of you.

@Turner and @rouletteghost, so did I lie, or did I deliver what I promised ?!!!! Can we officially say that I’m the exception to the rule of the ugly baiters ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 06:47 AM 2017
Why day 1 lost £900? 

1000/5 =200/80=2.5 . If u lose u shold lose total 200.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 06:48 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:39 AM 2017
But guys sorry for this, why one need phone for that ?

I thought most of you play live roulette.

Steven, my favourite table in one casino doesn't have 0,5 and 0,25 cents !

I think you will rarely find a fair table with such low stake.

Any idea ?
If you play Steven's code4, you need a phone.

I saw dublinbet host casinos at $0.10/$0.20

I start today at $3 stakes per bet, compound it up to $100, and somewhere I move to local b&m, eta Oct.

Thanks Steve for code4 invincible plus MM.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:49 AM 2017
Steven, you are the man !

Do you know how can i adapt your system to a table that only offer 1 $ stake ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:49 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 06:47 AM 2017
Why day 1 lost £900? 

1000/5 =200/80=2.5 . If u lose u shold lose total 200.

Fuck dude, are you seriously that retarded or what ????? You should stop speaking you’re making such a fool of yourself. And you just admitted openly that all your “testing” was wrong.

Read the last 15 posts. We discuss why 900 you will maybe understand this time. And read things before you speak. Read.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:51 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:49 AM 2017
Steven, you are the man !

Do you know how can i adapt your system to a table that only offer 1 $ stake ?

Yes I do. No time to write now. But send me that post again in 5-6hours when I’m back at the office so I don’t forget and I’ll take the time to explain.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 06:53 AM 2017
U r doing bullshit calc. In day 9 u cant run a progression if u divide ur bank by 5.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:54 AM 2017
Guys, you don't need to test this.

All what you need is to list all possible combinations (L-W) for 30 days and based on that you calculate the profit at the end of the month.

Steven, isn't this enough ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 06:55 AM 2017
Look at ur basic post . Dont cahnge the calc to fit ur 15 lose
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 06:56 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 06:53 AM 2017
U r doing bullshit calc. In day 9 u cant run a progression if u divide ur bank by 5.

Sure you can, it's 77,482

And you gonna stake 0,968525 and triple this up on lose
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 06:59 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 06:53 AM 2017
U r doing bullshit calc. In day 9 u cant run a progression if u divide ur bank by 5.
Read post#923, 928 - explanation
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:00 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 06:53 AM 2017
U r doing bullshit calc. In day 9 u cant run a progression if u divide ur bank by 5.

Yes you can. You still don’t understand shit. f*** you dude. You’re just too stupid. Stop claiming things like this all day long. I keep proving you wrong time after time. I’m done answering your messages you are too dumb. I’m ignoring you from now on.  If someone else want to take you out of your stupidity they can. I abandon.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 07:00 AM 2017
Tell me how it 900 in day 1
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:01 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 07:00 AM 2017
Tell me how it 900 in day 1

Guys is he serious ? How can someone be that dumb. We keep answering to him. He keeps asking the same question. He asks one more time will jump out of my window. I can’t tolerate it !!!!!

This is the proof that when he said he was testing this morning he was lying. He was just inventing result otherwise he would know the answer to that question that’s why he refused to post screenshot. He didn’t test anything.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: 777 on Sep 27, 07:01 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 04:55 AM 2017
Ok, for those interested in my money management, wether they just want proof that it works, or are trying to understand how it works, I am going to document a football challenge for the next 30 days.
Since I started talking about football, a lot of you have messaged me privately to ask me about it. One person in particular asked me for help managing his account. His story made me sad and I decide to do a good thing and help him out. He opened yesterday a betfair account, as I told him to do, and deposited 240 pounds in the account. I promised to him that I will try to multiply is at least by 5 in the next 30 days in order to help him to get himself out of troubles. I agreed to one month only completely for free. And no need for others to ask me to do it. I don’t have time. I can only do it on one extra account.

In football, one session as described in my money management lasts approximately two days. The reason is that I depend o football schedule to finish my session, while at the roulette you can play in your schedule and all day long. All this to say that in the next 15 days I presume that I will be able to play approximately 15 sessions, give or take.
Another difference is that I will not divide the balance by 5, but by 3 in order to calculate my session betting size. The reason for this is that the guy is willing to be more aggressive in order to reach his necessary target.

So let’s get started. Attached you can see the account on day one. 240£.

For my first attack, I will divide the bank into three pockets. The first pocket of 80£ is what I have to double in my first attack. I will take 2/2.5 days to do try to do so.
I will place in average 10 bets during those 2 days, which I must all win I order to double the 80£.
The stake for every bet is 80£. I will NOT compound and add the winings after each bet. It’s exactly the same for the roulette.

See you tomorrow.

Thank you steven for sharing. your mm is very simple and powerful. the hardest part is discipline im also into sportsbetting and forex. Curious to see how you find your safe 1,2 odds bets. it will be very interesting to follow you the next 30 days. thank you! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 07:02 AM 2017
With regards the football in your example if i win all 10 and lets say all the bets were 1/5 odds on i would have won 160 i then add it all together and divide by 3 again but if i lose at any point and dont have enough for an 80 bet that attack stops add up and divide by three and attack again with new amount?
Will you be sharing how to stop the casinos knowing. I havent had a problem yet but i guess what i been taking out on a weekly basis probably would seem small to some but im at the point where im going to up the stakes  O0
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:07 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 07:02 AM 2017
With regards the football in your example if i win all 10 and lets say all the bets were 1/5 odds on i would have won 160 i then add it all together and divide by 3 again but if i lose at any point and dont have enough for an 80 bet that attack stops add up and divide by three and attack again with new amount?
Will you be sharing how to stop the casinos knowing. I havent had a problem yet but i guess what i been taking out on a weekly basis probably would seem small to some but im at the point where im going to up the stakes  O0

At some point I will share. Don’t worry mods that’s not a bait. There is really a way.

As for you other question I didn’t understand
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:08 AM 2017
Guys, you can list all the 435 possible combinations (w,l) for 30 days ... (30,2) and do the math.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 07:08 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 06:42 AM 2017
Play online. They have live dealers for 50cent.
For those of you that are worried about having your withdrawal blocked by the casino (once you become rich with my magic system !), I also know a way around this. To prevent the casino from knowing you are milking them.
Do you mind sharing this tip pls ? Thanks

I won't play online for long, more to camouflage my play at local b&m.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:15 AM 2017
Steven uses a very smart staking system ( it's a mix of + and - progression, he shrinks the stake on loss and increase them on win)

The thing I don't get is why he is suggesting to play over 30 days, can't one do this in one day ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:16 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:15 AM 2017
Steven uses a very smart staking system ( it's a mix of + and - progression).

The thing I don't get is why he is suggesting to play over 30 days, can't one do this in one day ?

I’m not. In my post I say that everyone can play how they want to. One spin a day of 24 hour continuous playing. Re read again and you will see.
It’s for code 4 that I don’t suggest playing all day. Because I believe this system has a better hit rate in hit and run. Just a personal opinion. But the money management Is the key. After that you can play the system you want, whenever you want.
Personally, I use it for football.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:27 AM 2017
Everything looks nice, thx Steven and sorry again... it is rare to find generous people like you on forums.

I will be happy if you can give me the adjustment I should do in order to play on a table with min 1$
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:30 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:27 AM 2017
Everything looks nice, thx Steven and sorry again... it is rare to find generous people like you on forums.

I will be happy if you can give me the adjustment I should do in order to play on a table with min 1$

@turner and @rouletteghost , see this ?!!!

Thanks mate I appreciate it. What do you mean by adjust to a 1dollar table. Can you explain a bit more what you need me to explain because I’m not sure i understand. Thanks. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 07:32 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:27 AM 2017
Everything looks nice, thx Steven and sorry again... it is rare to find generous people like you on forums.

I will be happy if you can give me the adjustment I should do in order to play on a table with min 1$
For $1 min I recommend play at dragonara, my real money play experience is good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:33 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:30 AM 2017
@turner and @rouletteghost , see this ?!!!

Thanks mate I appreciate it. What do you mean by adjust to a 1dollar table. Can you explain a bit more what you need me to explain because I’m not sure i understand. Thanks.

Yeah, suppose you are playing in a casino where you can only stake 1$ ,2$ 5$ but you can't stake amount < 1$ .. such 0,25 or 0,5

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:34 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:33 AM 2017
Yeah, suppose you are playing in a casino where you can only stake 1$ ,2$ 5$ but you can't stake amount < 1$ .. such 0,25 or 0,5

Ah ok. Simple. With which system will you play ? Code 4 and an 80 unit progression ? Or something else? And what bankroll ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Sep 27, 07:35 AM 2017
Good luck to you all.   8)

But you CAN't make a fortune with a losing bet. 11 streets or (a 2 doz bet) with a 1-3-9-27 progression IS a losing bet (no matter what-ever trigger you use).... as i tried to explain in the hit-and-run thread. 

Don't you think this has been tried before a 1000-times? and it has failed a 1000-times,.......perhaps you should do some testings in RX, first,..see som real stats of this kind of bet.. 

call me a fool if you wish, but im not buying it. it's not a "grail" ...knock yourself out..
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 07:36 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:07 AM 2017
At some point I will share. Don’t worry mods that’s not a bait. There is really a way.

As for you other question I didn’t understand

Sorry if not clear Just trying to clarify the Football bet with MM

assuming bet odds all 1.20
10 80unit bets @ 1.20 if all winners wins 160 this gets added to the original amount which would now be 400. I then divde this by 3 and round down to 130 and attack with this amont for another 10 bets.

Again same as above but this time i lose on the 5th bet. I would have already won 4 bets so be plus 64 but now lost the 80 and dont have enough for another 80 bet. i stop add this to pot dived by 3 and start again with new amount

Again as above but lose 80 on 9th bet meaning i have 144 from the other 9 wins . Do i stop here as i have enough to bet a 10th time at 80 or does it matter?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:36 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 27, 07:35 AM 2017
Good luck to you all.   8)

But you CAN't make a fortune with a losing bet. 11 streets or (a 2 doz bet) with a 1-3-9-27 progression IS a losing bet (no matter what-ever trigger you use).... as i tried to explain in the hit-and-run thread. 

Don't you think this has been tried before a 1000-times? and it has failed a 1000-times,.......perhaps you should do some testings in RX, first,..see som real stats of this kind of bet.. 

call me a fool if you wish, but im not buying it. it's not a "grail" ...knock yourself out..


Have you read the money management ? You don’t think that playing the progression 30 times you can win it 15 and lose it 15? You don’t need more than that to be rich.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Sep 27, 07:43 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:36 AM 2017Have you read the money management ?

pls explain the "recovery" method you use once the whole progression-line is lost? please do? and please explain how you recover if the whole progression-line is lost AGAIN once you try to recover from the first loss? You think this is not going to happen? No? ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:44 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:34 AM 2017
Ah ok. Simple. With which system will you play ? Code 4 and an 80 unit progression ? Or something else? And what bankroll ?

I will play double dozens with clever selection, bankroll is 1000 with 80 units progression
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:48 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 27, 07:43 AM 2017
pls explain the "recovery" method you use once the whole progression-line is lost? please do? and please explain how you recover if the whole progression-line is lost AGAIN once you try to recover from the first loss? You think this is not going to happen? No? ...

Steven starts with 10% his bankroll for the first day, from these 10% he is willing to risk only 40%.

Example start bankroll 1000, daily budget 200, amount to be risked with 4 progression is 100.

If he lost it, he comes next day and do the same calculus
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:52 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:44 AM 2017
I will play double dozens with clever selection, bankroll is 1000 with 80 units progression

Your first pocket for example is 200. So you divide 200 by 80 to see what is your chip size. It’s 2.5. So you have the choice to select a chip size of 2 or 3. If you select 2, your whole progression will cost 160. If you select 3, it will cost you 240.

Remember that when I first explained the system i said that it’s arbitrary wether you divide you bank roll by 3 or 5 or 10. It works in every case. Even if you just divide by 2. It just depends on your stomach. Divide it by 10 and the growth will be slower but the losses as well, and vice versa

So you can choose what you prefer between a chip size of 2 and 3. If you choose the 160 progression it’s like if you divide your original bankroll by 6,25 instead of 5. It works. If you chooose the bankroll of 240 it’s almost like if you divide it by 4. It works very well too.

I would suggest you choose the chip size of 2 will you gain confidence, then you can attack more aggressively.

As a general rule when this applies i round up the chip size to the closed even number.

For example if you divide you bankroll and find that your chip size is 2,36, I would use chips of 2. If the chip size you get is 2,72, I would use chips of 3.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:53 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 07:36 AM 2017
Sorry if not clear Just trying to clarify the Football bet with MM

assuming bet odds all 1.20
10 80unit bets @ 1.20 if all winners wins 160 this gets added to the original amount which would now be 400. I then divde this by 3 and round down to 130 and attack with this amont for another 10 bets.

Again same as above but this time i lose on the 5th bet. I would have already won 4 bets so be plus 64 but now lost the 80 and dont have enough for another 80 bet. i stop add this to pot dived by 3 and start again with new amount

Again as above but lose 80 on 9th bet meaning i have 144 from the other 9 wins . Do i stop here as i have enough to bet a 10th time at 80 or does it matter?

You have it completely wrong. Driving now, I will explain soon.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 07:55 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 27, 07:43 AM 2017
pls explain the "recovery" method you use once the whole progression-line is lost? please do? and please explain how you recover if the whole progression-line is lost AGAIN once you try to recover from the first loss? You think this is not going to happen? No? ...
Hi ignatus, I understand your apprehension.

Read post#923 and #928 for explanation.

I don't know if it will fail with a black swan event with this double dz code4 model but I do know that it can be coded and tested over millions of spins with Rx.

Can you/any programmer run this test with $1000 br, 4steps marty, Steven's MM and tell us the result pls. Thanks

Ps. I am not using the original betselection.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 07:56 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:53 AM 2017
You have it completely wrong. Driving now, I will explain soon.

Not the first time   :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:57 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 07:52 AM 2017
Your first pocket for example is 200. So you divide 200 by 80 to see what is your chip size. It’s 2.5. So you have the choice to select a chip size of 2 or 3. If you select 2, your whole progression will cost 160. If you select 3, it will cost you 240.

Remember that when I first explained the system i said that it’s arbitrary wether you divide you bank roll by 3 or 5 or 10. It works in every case. Even if you just divide by 2. It just depends on your stomach. Divide it by 10 and the growth will be slower but the losses as well, and vice versa

So you can choose what you prefer between a chip size of 2 and 3. If you choose the 160 progression it’s like if you divide your original bankroll by 6,25 instead of 5. It works. If you chooose the bankroll of 240 it’s almost like if you divide it by 4. It works very well too.

I would suggest you choose the chip size of 2 will you gain confidence, then you can attack more aggressively.

As a general rule when this applies i round up the chip size to the closed even number.

For example if you divide you bankroll and find that your chip size is 2,36, I would use chips of 2. If the chip size you get is 2,72, I would use chips of 3.

Thx Steven, that's what i am going to do.

I was thinking if can bet on 24  straight numbers instead of double dozens.

This is will win more than the double dozens. But the only problem is that one needs then an higher bankroll.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 27, 08:00 AM 2017
Hello Steven,

Nice to hear that you spent sometime in my country.

Guys please stop confronting Steve, he has shared something with us without asking for anything in return, it would be different if he was asking us to pay him, then you would have the right to doubt and feel offended, if you like it take it, if you dont then leave it, if you have questions, ask kindly...

Steven I think I understand everything, I just have some doubts that I would like to clear.

Using your example with a banlroll of 1000 units divided into 5 small bankrolls of 200 units, if we loose the progression then we would loose 80 units, if we loose the progression on spin 40, then we would loose only 40 units of our first small 200 unit bankroll, then we would have a 160 units left for the session...One of my doubts is, do we aim on each session to double our small bankroll, to win 200 units and then we can recalculate or small bankrolls again (1200/ 5 = 240)? or do we just aim to win 80 spins to recalculate our small bankrolls again (1080 / 5 = 216)? Also do we recalculate our bankrolls again if we loose any progression (minus 80 units) ? or do we recalculate our bankrolls only if we loose a complete small bankroll (minus 200 units) ?

Another doubt I have is, if our bet selection will loose 1 in 80 times, doesnt that mean that the statistic will kill us overtime? becouse we need to win at least 80 times in a row or more to secure breakeven or some profit, but the statistic is telling us that we will loose 1 in the 80 spins, usually before we have the chance to achieve the breakeven point or profit point.

Thank you Steve in advance,
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 08:09 AM 2017
Not rubbing anyone, I think many still haven't properly and completely understand what Steven has shared with us. He'll have to do more explanation.  :lol:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 08:13 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 08:09 AM 2017
Not rubbing anyone, I think many still haven't properly and completely understand what Steven has shared with us. He'll have to do more explanation.  :lol:

Yeah!
But i personally understood it, it is a solid system, all what you need is good bets selection and discipline.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 08:19 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:57 AM 2017
Thx Steven, that's what i am going to do.

I was thinking if can bet on 24  straight numbers instead of double dozens.

This is will win more than the double dozens. But the only problem is that one needs then an higher bankroll.

Or a smaller limit table. Just so you I believe that a big bankroll is the key to a consistent earning situation in gambling. By bankroll at football is near 200k and I divide it by 40 to calculate my attacks. I make great profit and if I lose I can barely tell in the overall bankroll. That’s why I’m invincible.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 08:21 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 08:13 AM 2017
Yeah!
But i personally understood it, it is a solid system, all what you need is good bets selection and discipline.
Play at dragonara mate. They don't log you out for inactivity.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 08:27 AM 2017
Steven, i dunno but it seems (at least according to my simulation ) if the W and L alternates over 30 sessions /days this is going to lose !  Can you double check ?

Start bankroll 1000

1-  W.  +1100
2-  L.   +990
3-  W.  +1089
4-  L.    +980
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 08:38 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 08:27 AM 2017
Steven, i dunno but it seems (at least according to my simulation ) if the W and L alternates over 30 sessions /days this is going to lose !  Can you double check ?

Start bankroll 1000

1-  W.  +1100
2-  L.   +990
3-  W.  +1089
4-  L.    +980

You made a mistake. On day 1 if you win you don’t win 100 but 200. That’s your target.
The math rule is simple if you wanna make some calculation. For every lost session, you multiply the bankroll by 0.9 to find out how much you have left after the loss. After each win, you multiply it by 1.2.

Starting balance 1000
Multiplied by 1.2 = 1200
Multiplied by 0.9 = 900
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 08:43 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 07:48 AM 2017
Steven starts with 10% his bankroll for the first day, from these 10% he is willing to risk only 40%.
Steven does not have a session loss target. He plays each session to either lose the entire progression then stop or hit the win target.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 09:11 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 08:43 AM 2017
Steven does not have a session loss target. He plays each session to either lose the entire progression then stop or hit the win target.

Exactly. But if you lose in the middle of the session you only lost half of it cause you also have winnings.
If you lose at the beginning you lose most of it. If you lose torwards  the end you still have most of it. I’m average, you can suppose that you lose around half.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 27, 09:15 AM 2017
Hello Steven,

Could you please check the pm I sent you.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 09:23 AM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Sep 27, 08:00 AM 2017
Hello Steven,

Nice to hear that you spent sometime in my country.

Guys please stop confronting Steve, he has shared something with us without asking for anything in return, it would be different if he was asking us to pay him, then you would have the right to doubt and feel offended, if you like it take it, if you dont then leave it, if you have questions, ask kindly...

Steven I think I understand everything, I just have some doubts that I would like to clear.

Using your example with a banlroll of 1000 units divided into 5 small bankrolls of 200 units, if we loose the progression then we would loose 80 units, if we loose the progression on spin 40, then we would loose only 40 units of our first small 200 unit bankroll, then we would have a 160 units left for the session...One of my doubts is, do we aim on each session to double our small bankroll, to win 200 units and then we can recalculate or small bankrolls again (1200/ 5 = 240)? or do we just aim to win 80 spins to recalculate our small bankrolls again (1080 / 5 = 216)? Also do we recalculate our bankrolls again if we loose any progression (minus 80 units) ? or do we recalculate our bankrolls only if we loose a complete small bankroll (minus 200 units) ?

Another doubt I have is, if our bet selection will loose 1 in 80 times, doesnt that mean that the statistic will kill us overtime? becouse we need to win at least 80 times in a row or more to secure breakeven or some profit, but the statistic is telling us that we will loose 1 in the 80 spins, usually before we have the chance to achieve the breakeven point or profit point.

Thank you Steve in advance,

Just answered. Let me know if you have more question mate.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 09:29 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 07:36 AM 2017
Sorry if not clear Just trying to clarify the Football bet with MM

assuming bet odds all 1.20
10 80unit bets @ 1.20 if all winners wins 160 this gets added to the original amount which would now be 400. I then divde this by 3 and round down to 130 and attack with this amont for another 10 bets.

Again same as above but this time i lose on the 5th bet. I would have already won 4 bets so be plus 64 but now lost the 80 and dont have enough for another 80 bet. i stop add this to pot dived by 3 and start again with new amount

Again as above but lose 80 on 9th bet meaning i have 144 from the other 9 wins . Do i stop here as i have enough to bet a 10th time at 80 or does it matter?

Hey man I have no idea what you’re talking about you confused me. All I know is you’re not doing it right so I’ll start to explain to see if it puts you on the right track and then you can ask me your questions.

Everything depends on your odds.
So let’s say you have 1000 bankroll. Your first attack is with 200.
Your target is to double it (so you must win 200)
Your stop loss is the full 200.

If you chose bets of 1.2 odd, you need 5 of them to double it.
Bet 200 in each bet. If you win all 5 bets, you won your session. If you win the first 3 bets, and lose on the fourth, you won 3 times 40, and you lost 200. So you lost 80 and have saved 120.
In my example, If you win all 5 bets, your new balance is 1200. Therefore your new bet size for the next session is 240
If you lose in the 4th bet, your new balance is 920. Therefore your new bet size is 184.

If you had chosen odds of 1.1, you would do the same thing but you would need 10 bets in order to successfully finish a session.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Sep 27, 09:33 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 07:55 AM 2017
Hi ignatus, I understand your apprehension.

Read post#923 and #928 for explanation.

I don't know if it will fail with a black swan event with this double dz code4 model but I do know that it can be coded and tested over millions of spins with Rx.

Can you/any programmer run this test with $1000 br, 4steps marty, Steven's MM and tell us the result pls. Thanks

Ps. I am not using the original betselection.


Y, this can be tested. I have sen this MM before applied to sports betting, but I din't think about applying it to roulette, because it said it needed a positive expectation bet selection (and not a negative as we have in roullete with any system I know off).
Anyway, I would like to see the result of some testing on this. With some work I could simulate it in an excel sheet too (but too busy to do it rigth now ...)

As far as I understood, it's claimed this MM should give similar results with any "decent" bet selection.
Am I rigth that we could use a simpler bet selection (like betting last 2 hit dozens? ) and get on the long run same results as code4?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 09:42 AM 2017



For my first attack, I will divide the bank into three pockets. The first pocket of 80£ is what I have to double in my first attack. I will take 2/2.5 days to do try to do so.
I will place in average 10 bets during those 2 days, which I must all win I order to double the 80£.
The stake for every bet is 80£. I will NOT compound and add the winings after each bet. It’s exactly the same for the roulette.
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I was refering to this where each bet was £80 starting with 10 bets, I get the concept with betting roulette with a progression but was trying to see how it would work with the football bets. I'll stop before i confuse things more and hopefully it'll become clearer to me as the bets begin. Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 09:49 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 09:42 AM 2017


For my first attack, I will divide the bank into three pockets. The first pocket of 80£ is what I have to double in my first attack. I will take 2/2.5 days to do try to do so.
I will place in average 10 bets during those 2 days, which I must all win I order to double the 80£.
The stake for every bet is 80£. I will NOT compound and add the winings after each bet. It’s exactly the same for the roulette.



I was refering to this where each bet was £80 starting with 10 bets, I get the concept with betting roulette with a progression but was trying to see how it would work with the football bets. I'll stop before i confuse things more and hopefully it'll become clearer to me as the bets begin. Thanks

Ah ok m’y bad. Don’t get stuck on the “10 bets”. That’s unpr3ictabe for me. Could be 5 or 20. Depends on the odds I find. My goals is to bet until I double (or accumulate odds of 2.0 in total)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 27, 09:50 AM 2017
Thank you for your reply Steven,

I also sent you a pm.

Regards,
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 27, 09:55 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 09:49 AM 2017
Ah ok m’y bad. Don’t get stuck on the “10 bets”. That’s unpr3ictabe for me. Could be 5 or 20. Depends on the odds I find. My goals is to bet until I double (or accumulate odds of 2.0 in total)

understood,thanks.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 10:24 AM 2017
For those of you who want to know how to consistently withdraw from a casino without them noticing, so you don’t get on their bad radar and they start blocking, here is a little trick I use. I use myself not at the roulette, but in order for the bookmakers to not limit my stakes on my football bets (they do that as soon as you withdraw two months in a row) .... but it will cost you 3-4% per withdrawal. That’s the price for peace.

What you need is to play in a casino that also has sport betting, such a paddy power, bwin, Ladbrokes, etc....

Let’s say you win 5000£ at the roulette and you are afraid that they will not let you withdraw it.
What you need to do is to open and deposit money in a Betfair Exchange acccount. Betfair Exchange is a betting website different from every other because you don’t play against the bookmaker. You play against other bettors just like you. It’s like a marketplace that lets people bet against each other. The website itself takes a commission on all the bets placed on their site. So they have an advantage to pay you your withdrawal. Because they don’t lose money, and they want you to come back cause the more you bet on their site the more money they make.

Back to our problem. If you won 5000 on bwin and you want to withdraw it. Go to their sports section and find a game with a team who is favorite. With you 5000, you will bet against the favorite team. At the same time, you are going to betfair, on the same game, and you bet for that team. You need to calculate the odds to make sure that you win the 5000 that you will lose on bwin. What you are essentially doing is virtually transferring your winings from bwin to betfair. You lose a few percent in the process, but now you’re money is in a place where you can safely withdraw it. All the time, however much you want ! And bwin loves you because you make them win money by losing so many bets.

Clever isn’t it ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Sep 27, 10:33 AM 2017
Why bet 80 times a day? It's too risky!

I believe that the longer you stay in the game the more you are exposed to losing.

I suggest use hit and run strategy like I'm doing with Steven's money management.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 10:35 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 10:24 AM 2017
For those of you who want to know how to consistently withdraw from a casino without them noticing, so you don’t get on their bad radar and they start blocking, here is a little trick I use. I use myself not at the roulette, but in order for the bookmakers to not limit my stakes on my football bets (they do that as soon as you withdraw two months in a row) .... but it will cost you 3-4% per withdrawal. That’s the price for peace.

What you need is to play in a casino that also has sport betting, such a paddy power, bwin, Ladbrokes, etc....

Let’s say you win 5000£ at the roulette and you are afraid that they will not let you withdraw it.
What you need to do is to open and deposit money in a Betfair Exchange acccount. Betfair Exchange is a betting website different from every other because you don’t play against the bookmaker. You play against other bettors just like you. It’s like a marketplace that lets people bet against each other. The website itself takes a commission on all the bets placed on their site. So they have an advantage to pay you your withdrawal. Because they don’t lose money, and they want you to come back cause the more you bet on their site the more money they make.

Back to our problem. If you won 5000 on bwin and you want to withdraw it. Go to their sports section and find a game with a team who is favorite. With you 5000, you will bet against the favorite team. At the same time, you are going to betfair, on the same game, and you bet for that team. You need to calculate the odds to make sure that you win the 5000 that you will lose on bwin. What you are essentially doing is virtually transferring your winings from bwin to betfair. You lose a few percent in the process, but now you’re money is in a place where you can safely withdraw it. All the time, however much you want ! And bwin loves you because you make them win money by losing so many bets.

Clever isn’t it ?
Hahaha nice one Steven !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 10:37 AM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Sep 27, 10:33 AM 2017
Why bet 80 times a day? It's too risky!

I believe that the longer you stay in the game the more you are exposed to losing.

I suggest use hit and run strategy like I'm doing with Steven's money management.

I agree. I know people don’t believe in hit and run and I really don’t want to get into that debate. But I see it an as extra advantage to win our fight against the wheel. Imagine the table as no mans land. If you show yourself sometimes for a few second, you might survive. If you stand there like an idiot all day, you will get shot in the head.
Hit them and then run.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 10:41 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 10:24 AM 2017
For those of you who want to know how to consistently withdraw from a casino without them noticing, so you don’t get on their bad radar and they start blocking, here is a little trick I use. I use myself not at the roulette, but in order for the bookmakers to not limit my stakes on my football bets (they do that as soon as you withdraw two months in a row) .... but it will cost you 3-4% per withdrawal. That’s the price for peace.

What you need is to play in a casino that also has sport betting, such a paddy power, bwin, Ladbrokes, etc....

Let’s say you win 5000£ at the roulette and you are afraid that they will not let you withdraw it.
What you need to do is to open and deposit money in a Betfair Exchange acccount. Betfair Exchange is a betting website different from every other because you don’t play against the bookmaker. You play against other bettors just like you. It’s like a marketplace that lets people bet against each other. The website itself takes a commission on all the bets placed on their site. So they have an advantage to pay you your withdrawal. Because they don’t lose money, and they want you to come back cause the more you bet on their site the more money they make.

Back to our problem. If you won 5000 on bwin and you want to withdraw it. Go to their sports section and find a game with a team who is favorite. With you 5000, you will bet against the favorite team. At the same time, you are going to betfair, on the same game, and you bet for that team. You need to calculate the odds to make sure that you win the 5000 that you will lose on bwin. What you are essentially doing is virtually transferring your winings from bwin to betfair. You lose a few percent in the process, but now you’re money is in a place where you can safely withdraw it. All the time, however much you want ! And bwin loves you because you make them win money by losing so many bets.

Clever isn’t it ?

So you bet on bwin for team A and on betfair for team B.

Right ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 11:11 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 10:41 AM 2017
So you bet on bwin for team A and on betfair for team B.

Right ?

Right. You will lose between 1% and 3% but at least the money you won at the casino you lost it back.  So they don’t care about you. And you can withdraw it safely and make BetFair happy.
Everyone wins.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 27, 11:24 AM 2017
Nice way of getting out the cash,

Steven could you please check your inbox.


Thanks,
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Tekunda on Sep 27, 12:36 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 11:11 AM 2017
Right. You will lose between 1% and 3% but at least the money you won at the casino you lost it back.  So they don’t care about you. And you can withdraw it safely and make BetFair happy.
Everyone wins.

So on bwin you bet against your favorite team in order to loose the bet (your favorite team wins) , so the bet on betfair can win and you collect from betfair?
But what happens if your favorite team should indeed loose?
Then you win on bwin and double your money and you loose on betfair and now you are stuck because not only did you not get your money from bwin  via the betfair trick, now you have double the money sitting there and still the same problem: how do I get my money from bwin, but this time two times over.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 12:44 PM 2017
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 27, 12:36 PM 2017
So on bwin you bet against your favorite team in order to loose the bet (your favorite team wins) , so the bet on betfair can win and you collect from betfair?
But what happens if your favorite team should indeed loose?
Then you win on bwin and double your money and you loose on betfair and now you are stuck because not only did you not get your money from bwin  via the betfair trick, now you have double the money sitting there and still the same problem: how do I get my money from bwin, but this time two times over.

You simply repeat the process and you lost 4% instead of 2% cause you had to do it twice. It’s the price for freedom and this occurrence is very rare.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 12:47 PM 2017
Or back bet at bwin outsider horse to win and lay bet at betfair to win, done inside 2mins     :twisted:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 12:49 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 12:47 PM 2017
Or back bet at bwin outsider horse to win and lay bet at betfair to win, done inside 2mins     :twisted:

Exactly. I said football cause that’s I know. But if you prefer tennis back nadal on betfair and his opponent on bwin. It’s a smart way to take your money out another way and make the broker happy. Bwin thinks I’m their best customer I’ve lost thousands to them. Little do they know I milk them all day long.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 27, 02:11 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 10:24 AM 2017
For those of you who want to know how to consistently withdraw from a casino without them noticing, so you don’t get on their bad radar and they start blocking, here is a little trick I use. I use myself not at the roulette, but in order for the bookmakers to not limit my stakes on my football bets (they do that as soon as you withdraw two months in a row) .... but it will cost you 3-4% per withdrawal. That’s the price for peace.

What you need is to play in a casino that also has sport betting, such a paddy power, bwin, Ladbrokes, etc....

Let’s say you win 5000£ at the roulette and you are afraid that they will not let you withdraw it.
What you need to do is to open and deposit money in a Betfair Exchange acccount. Betfair Exchange is a betting website different from every other because you don’t play against the bookmaker. You play against other bettors just like you. It’s like a marketplace that lets people bet against each other. The website itself takes a commission on all the bets placed on their site. So they have an advantage to pay you your withdrawal. Because they don’t lose money, and they want you to come back cause the more you bet on their site the more money they make.

Back to our problem. If you won 5000 on bwin and you want to withdraw it. Go to their sports section and find a game with a team who is favorite. With you 5000, you will bet against the favorite team. At the same time, you are going to betfair, on the same game, and you bet for that team. You need to calculate the odds to make sure that you win the 5000 that you will lose on bwin. What you are essentially doing is virtually transferring your winings from bwin to betfair. You lose a few percent in the process, but now you’re money is in a place where you can safely withdraw it. All the time, however much you want ! And bwin loves you because you make them win money by losing so many bets.

Clever isn’t it ?

hahaha great minds think alike

I had the same idea not with bet fair until i find a way around playing from the US.... but with vegas since you can make big bets and still stay under the radar.

This way you make all the money in the casino and at the same time you look like a player that just losses :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: David926 on Sep 27, 02:24 PM 2017
Hi Steven, great mm here and I'm planning to use a particular system with the progression of 1-2-4-8.
From what I understand, I'll have to win around 15 times in a row (or double my 1/5th bankroll amount) to consider a session a win for my case if I'm not wrong.
Doesn't that mean for progressions like double dozens 1-3-9-27, you'll have to win around 80 times in a row just to consider a session a win?
That sounds pretty crazy and impossible unless I'm getting this wrong Steven.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: shazwad on Sep 27, 02:49 PM 2017
Hi Steven, thanks for sharing all of this. Im into football and finding value on various BF markets.
Will u be showing what u do on a daily basis on here? If u show what u do and post daily results im sure u will have a following if u were looking to provide a paid service in the future.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 02:52 PM 2017
Ok I've seen this withdraw thing a lot passing by.....

Question...pls answer honestly.... Who actually got a problem to withdraw money from (the approved by gaming commission)  the online casino's? ?????

I didn't got any issue at all. I'll bet all I have most here don't even play with high bets. That's not a insult. But it's a fact.

I had a few situations where my connection was gone on a winning bet. Ooooh see denzie there ya go. Wait....I start chatting with the site. I mention the name "gaming commission" and tadaaa ow yeah we found your bet. Another scenario. ... Can you pls tell us which session number that was? (Shit I don't write those down). I called the gaming commission and they could tell me every bet I made at each time along with the session numbers...back to the chat where I mentioned I just got off the phone with the commission and taaadaaa problem fixed.

This kinda stuff happened 3 times over the years......

So know where I'm going to right ? Play only those who are approved by the gaming commission.




And Romano0327  your pathetic. Seriously. I know you've been bagging many members with pls help me blablabla. You said you followed a forex or stocks or whatever of 5000$  from the masters. ....Why dont you use that instead of bagging everyone.

And that Probasah is full of shit too. Off topic but it's true. He got nothing.

Good evening to all.


Steven 1212 his mm is very good though. Of course not on dozens. But smart ones will know where to use it better....For example soccer or bacc or hotties or ......
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 03:06 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 27, 02:52 PM 2017

Steven 1212 his mm is very good though. Of course not on dozens. But smart ones will know where to use it better....For example soccer or bacc or hotties or ......

AND WHY STEVEN'S MM IS NOT GOOD ON DOZENS? CAN YOU ELABORATE ?

BYE
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ozon on Sep 27, 03:11 PM 2017
Yes MM of Steven is very good, especially in sports betting.
The strategies I would use do not have value, but playing automatically should be stable. You just have to adjust your stakes  accordingly.
But instead of playing football I  would play underdogs in WTA.
The odds would be high because I would play all matches where the favorite has odds max 1.3 or lower. Then we play Underdog.
WTA surprises are very common.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 03:31 PM 2017
Another reason in favour of b&m is you can restart a new session at other wheels of choice whereas online you're stuck with the one that fits your requirements, meaning multiple sessions per day.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:46 PM 2017
Sorry guys I’m watching the champions league. I’ll answer to everything later.

By the way, who said PARIS was too weak for Bayern ? Muahhaha im laughing now
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 03:51 PM 2017
Quote from: David926 on Sep 27, 02:24 PM 2017
Hi Steven, great mm here and I'm planning to use a particular system with the progression of 1-2-4-8.
From what I understand, I'll have to win around 15 times in a row (or double my 1/5th bankroll amount) to consider a session a win for my case if I'm not wrong.
Doesn't that mean for progressions like double dozens 1-3-9-27, you'll have to win around 80 times in a row just to consider a session a win?
That sounds pretty crazy and impossible unless I'm getting this wrong Steven.
I don't have the statistical distribution proof here, in general, short run strategy gives a higher advantage over longer run strategy. So 1-3 has a better chance of a win result compared to the longer 1-3-9 or 1-3-9-27. Yes hit and run is the way to go.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 03:52 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:46 PM 2017
Sorry guys I’m watching the champions league. I’ll answer to everything later.

By the way, who said PARIS was too weak for Bayern ? Muahhaha im laughing now

Bayern are strong only without anceloti.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 03:59 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 03:06 PM 2017
AND WHY STEVEN'S MM IS NOT GOOD ON DOZENS? CAN YOU ELABORATE ?

BYE

Why ? Seriously?  How long are you playing roulette?  I don't mean this in a bad way but....Ive been on dozens way to long. But that also gave me the knowledge about how they behave and what's possible. It won't win. Not even with that very good mm. Play progression that needs 80 wins vs 1 loss ? Uhm nope. Big nope. At least switch it to bacc.

But there are of course bet selections that would do very good with this mm. It's not streets also. Or code it and you will see the outcome.

Best of luck to all. Hotties  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 04:03 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 03:51 PM 2017So 1-3 has a better chance of a win result compared to the longer 1-3-9 or 1-3-9-27.

Really?  My guess is.....Nope. They both lose the exact same amount when time goes by. Wanna bet ?????
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 04:06 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 27, 04:03 PM 2017
Really?  My guess is.....Nope. They both lose the exact same amount when time goes by. Wanna bet ?????
I'm stating this based on actual distribution samples performed over a large sample size. I didn't carry out this test, I'm merely citing their reported results which surprised me.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 04:07 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 03:46 PM 2017
Sorry guys I’m watching the champions league. I’ll answer to everything later.


Anderlecht gonna score .... 1-3
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 27, 04:16 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 27, 03:59 PM 2017
Why ? Seriously?  How long are you playing roulette?  I don't mean this in a bad way but....Ive been on dozens way to long. But that also gave me the knowledge about how they behave and what's possible. It won't win. Not even with that very good mm. Play progression that needs 80 wins vs 1 loss ? Uhm nope. Big nope. At least switch it to bacc.

But there are of course bet selections that would do very good with this mm. It's not streets also. Or code it and you will see the outcome.

Best of luck to all. Hotties  :thumbsup:


What about this >
Two bets are made on every spin: Low (1-18) and the 3rd Dozen (25-36) with a basic bet 3/2 > 9/6 >33/22 > 74/36

will it work with steven's MM?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 04:25 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 27, 04:16 PM 2017

What about this >
Two bets are made on every spin: Low (1-18) and the 3rd Dozen (25-36) with a basic bet 3/2 > 9/6 >33/22 > 74/36

will it work with steven's MM?

Aha the standard dumbo bet. (It think it was GLC who called it that)... With That progression?  I'm sorry but no .  :-\
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 04:27 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 27, 03:59 PM 2017
Why ? Seriously?  How long are you playing roulette?  I don't mean this in a bad way but....Ive been on dozens way to long. But that also gave me the knowledge about how they behave and what's possible. It won't win. Not even with that very good mm. Play progression that needs 80 wins vs 1 loss ? Uhm nope. Big nope. At least switch it to bacc.

But there are of course bet selections that would do very good with this mm. It's not streets also. Or code it and you will see the:
Dont say it denzie otherwise they gonna call you fool.u cant do calc.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 04:28 PM 2017
Dont say it denzie otherwise they gonna call u fool and u cant do calc
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Sep 27, 04:31 PM 2017
Let's wait and see if someone skilled enough will simulate this idea. It can be done, since all the rules are written in stone, and any bet selection on dozens supposed to have the same odds of winning, no matter how "clever" the selection is.
My experience so far is not very good. 4 sessions and I lost all of them. I don't have an opinion yet, I need to see the results of many sessions, but I know that I should lose more than I win.
In the examples, there is an assumption that on average we would only lose 40 units per losing session. I'm not sure about that, I'd like to see a proof. Either test results or mathematical.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 04:32 PM 2017
Tbh, I tend to agree with denzie with his no call. It's just too long we need to go short. That's why I don't use doz, streets or lines as per.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 04:32 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 04:28 PM 2017
Dont say it denzie otherwise they gonna call u fool and u cant do calc

Lol. That's ok. But just replaced the batteries in my calculator though. Works just fine.  :girl_to:


But still a very nice mm !!!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 27, 04:34 PM 2017
Thank you for speaking about me Denzie,   I am cool with it, I take all you said,  you can go on...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 04:35 PM 2017
No iisue but only with superior bet selection
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 04:37 PM 2017
Even hotties will come ahead without mm.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 04:38 PM 2017
Quote from: ati on Sep 27, 04:31 PM 2017and any bet selection on dozens supposed to have the same odds of winning, no matter how "clever" the selection is.

Bingooooo.  How hard it is to believe. ....Your spot on  :thumbsup:

Btw cool rims.  :love:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 04:40 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 04:37 PM 2017
Even hotties will come ahead without mm.

Well there's always some form of mm. But I get what you mean....  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 04:42 PM 2017
Well I was wrong. Anderlecht didn't score anymore. Damn. Was close but nope .... My bad
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 04:46 PM 2017
I won't convince you guys. Results from tests over varying lengths of play don't show identical distribution that goes against common logic.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 04:56 PM 2017
assumption that on average we would only lose 40 units per losing session. I'm not sure about that, I'd like to see a proof. Either test results or mathematical.
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Thats a fitting to show his mm works on dozen
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 04:59 PM 2017
@denzie

Last question. Does any clever dozon approach can come ahead with this kind of mm?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:01 PM 2017
To quickly answer Denzie in his past comments, I agree with you that dozens aren’t the best way to play, but you can’t say they won’t work. They’ve worked for me at one point, and they work for others.
Still regarding all you said, I did mention for a long length in my original post that this system shouldn’t necessarily be played with any method in particular. What’s important is the mm. the rest is whatever floats your boat... our suits your guts.
I personally suggested in that same post to play it with shorter sessions. Like 10 spins or so.
And there is an important reason for that. E If in one month you win 50 sessions and lose 60, you make much more money than if you win 15 and lose 15. The base of this system is abou volume. The more sesssions you play the more exponential the growt. Even with mediocre results.

And to answer to Madi, yes you clearly didn’t understand anything and you embarrassed yourself in front of everyone today. You should hide for a few days after the show you made today.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:02 PM 2017
Quote from: David926 on Sep 27, 02:24 PM 2017
Hi Steven, great mm here and I'm planning to use a particular system with the progression of 1-2-4-8.
From what I understand, I'll have to win around 15 times in a row (or double my 1/5th bankroll amount) to consider a session a win for my case if I'm not wrong.
Doesn't that mean for progressions like double dozens 1-3-9-27, you'll have to win around 80 times in a row just to consider a session a win?
That sounds pretty crazy and impossible unless I'm getting this wrong Steven.

The mm works with every system. Anyone can play how they want. I personally like shorter session of around 10spins.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 27, 05:04 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 27, 04:03 PM 2017
Really?  My guess is.....Nope. They both lose the exact same amount when time goes by. Wanna bet ?????

No need to bet. You are 100% right.
And this is what the introduction of my original post is about. Everything evens out over the long term. The wheel will give you exactly what you are supposed to get, and that is a reality that gets closer and closer to the probabilities the longer you play.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 27, 05:06 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 04:56 PM 2017
assumption that on average we would only lose 40 units per losing session. I'm not sure about that, I'd like to see a proof. Either test results or mathematical.


Thats a fitting to show his mm works on dozen
I just tested a hybrid model based on doz strat posted on this forum with 1-3 progression and the result after 10sessions is +20%. I was surprised but that's only for 10sessions of 40spins each.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 05:11 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 05:06 PM 2017
I just tested a hybrid model based on one doz strat

Now we're (starting) talking  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 27, 05:13 PM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Sep 27, 04:59 PM 2017
@denzie

Last question. Does any clever dozon approach can come ahead with this kind of mm?

A double dozen. ...Nope
But that's my humble opinion.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 27, 05:19 PM 2017
Thanks denzie.appreciate. I am done.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 03:43 AM 2017
Here are the result and explanation for the first day of betting on the account of one of our fellow forum member.

Starting balance: £240
Current balance: £266.88
Total ROI: 11.2%
Session count: 0 wins - 0 loss

I am currently still in the first session. This attack has a bet size of £80. Not many games to play with yesterday, yet all the bets placed have won. I am hoping I can finish this first attack today, or get close to this at least. Keep in mind that weekends are the busiest time in football.

On another note, like I predicted it, Europe is red and blue this morning   >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 03:53 AM 2017
A little more info for you to understand how the money management work and the attacks are structured. I only placed 7 bets yesterday. Kind of like 7 spins at the roulette. 3 of them broke even. The other 4 won. Each bet was a stake of £80.
Hoping I can accelerate things a bit today.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 04:50 AM 2017
Hi denzie, madi,
I was thinking if this could work for roulette on that Double Doz selection method "ADD - Against Dominant Dozens" which uses a progression of 1-1; 2-2 stop?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18607.msg173479#msg173479

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 05:10 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 04:50 AM 2017
Hi denzie, madi,
I was thinking if this could work for roulette on that Double Doz selection method "ADD - Against Dominant Dozens" which uses a progression of 1-1; 2-2 stop?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18607.msg173479#msg173479

A.
I was waiting for your response about double doz. Ofc the strat I tested and still ongoing is this one that I coded on excel earlier - ADD.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: 777 on Sep 28, 05:29 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 03:53 AM 2017
A little more info for you to understand how the money management work and the attacks are structured. I only placed 7 bets yesterday. Kind of like 7 spins at the roulette. 3 of them broke even. The other 4 won. Each bet was a stake of £80.
Hoping I can accelerate things a bit today.

Thanks for sharing Steven, i would love to see the bets to see what kind of bets you make as sportsbetting is what i know best. would it be possible? :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 05:38 AM 2017
Hi cht,
Quote
I just tested a hybrid model based on doz strat posted on this forum with 1-3 progression and the result after 10sessions is +20%. I was surprised but that's only for 10sessions of 40spins each.

Presume you are referring to this post earlier?


A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 05:46 AM 2017
Quote from: 777 on Sep 28, 05:29 AM 2017
Thanks for sharing Steven, i would love to see the bets to see what kind of bets you make as sportsbetting is what i know best. would it be possible? :)


Hey mate actually I started this document 30 days challenge to prove to everyone that my money management is the magic ingredient to any betting system.  And to illustrate to those who didn’t understand how it works how they can use it step by step.
It’s not so much about the bet selection. Just the money management.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 06:14 AM 2017
Hey Steven

Glad to know that you won yesterday -:)
you say that you don't suggest playing 80 rounds every day in roulette, how many rounds do you then suggest ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 06:20 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 05:38 AM 2017
Hi cht,
Presume you are referring to this post earlier?


A.
Yup, whenever I test any strat I'll write up the tracker. Try it out.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 06:26 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 28, 06:14 AM 2017
Hey Steven

Glad to know that you won yesterday -:)
you say that you don't suggest playing 80 rounds every day in roulette, how many rounds do you then suggest ?

I suggest to play whatever makes you happy. If you like to take things slow, do your thing. If you like risk... whatever suits your guts. My style is football. Can’t decide what hours is for you.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 06:39 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 06:26 AM 2017
I suggest to play whatever makes you happy. If you like to take things slow, do your thing. If you like risk... whatever suits your guts. My style is football. Can’t decide what hours is for you.

Thx Steven, suppose i want to bet on  13 straight numbers, with Fibonacci progression 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21.
My bankroll is 1000, can you please tell me if i can use your MM with this scenario ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 06:49 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 28, 06:20 AM 2017
Yup, whenever I test any strat I'll write up the tracker. Try it out.
Hit the F9 key to generate new set of spins. Alternatively paste live spins on column A.

For those who downloaded the file, I have 1 simple request, tell us the result especially if you use live, rng spins at the casino you play. Thanks.

Ps. For those who want to use this file for actual play, you'll notice the result column is slightly incorrect. I forgot to update it for actual play. You can make the necessary amendment or make a request on here if need.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 06:57 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 28, 06:39 AM 2017
Thx Steven, suppose i want to bet on  13 straight numbers, with Fibonacci progression 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21.
My bankroll is 1000, can you please tell me if i can use your MM with this scenario ?

It works with everything
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:00 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 05:46 AM 2017

Hey mate actually I started this document 30 days challenge to prove to everyone that my money management is the magic ingredient to any betting system.  And to illustrate to those who didn’t understand how it works how they can use it step by step.
It’s not so much about the bet selection. Just the money management.



Just know .... Do you bet simgle bet only and what kind

Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 07:03 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:00 AM 2017


Just know .... Do you bet simgle bet only and what kind

Thanks

That’s now really the part of the experiment I planned to discus. It’s more about th money management.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:07 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 07:03 AM 2017
That’s now really the part of the experiment I planned to discus. It’s more about th money management.

Can we discuss later about kind of football bets

Thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 07:08 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:07 AM 2017
Can we discuss later about kind of football bets

Thanks

Not sure.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:12 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 07:08 AM 2017
Not sure.

Come on Steven ... You are very interresting ..... please ....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 07:15 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:12 AM 2017
Come on Steven ... You are very interresting ..... please ....

You have to understand that football is not like roulette. Im not joking around with this. I live and survive on football. It’s my income.

I don’t think I feel comfortable sharing all my secrets with strangers on the internet. Especially a bunch of strangers that were ungrateful to me and insulting me not more than 2 days ago.
I never said I will share my betting selection, and I don’t think I will. At this point it’s out of the question. Hope you understand. My life depends on  This.

But be happy, I’m sharing my money management with you. And that’s the most important.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 08:59 AM 2017
Hi cht,
Quote
Ps. For those who want to use this file for actual play, you'll notice the result column is slightly incorrect. I forgot to update it for actual play. You can make the necessary amendment or make a request on here if need.

I noticed that straight away. Not being an excel person, any chance you can amend it so it does the 1-1 ; 2-2 betting results correctly? Thanks.
I also want to see if I can apply Steven1212's betting and bankroll methodology to it as well by trying 30 sessions just to see. I've been busy last few days so need to swot up on how to play it like that with the correct amounts...
Atlantis.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: vladir on Sep 28, 09:00 AM 2017
The MM is good, but it's nothing withouth a bet selection. Using it on any double dozens will not bring positive results on the long term. I believe steven is having success with it because in sports you can have good bet selection. No MM will save you if your bet selection is not superior, i.e, it must win flat betting.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 09:05 AM 2017
Quote from: vladir on Sep 28, 09:00 AM 2017
The MM is good, but it's nothing withouth a bet selection. Using it on any double dozens will not bring positive results on the long term. I believe steven is having success with it because in sports you can have good bet selection. No MM will save you if your bet selection is not superior, i.e, it must win flat betting.

If you have 50% win 50% loss you will won a lot of money. You only need a 38% win rate to break even. If you can’t achieve this, quit gambling.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 09:42 AM 2017
Hi cht,

Playing ADD revisited (double dozen)

My risk per session = 1-1, 2-2 = total 6 units at risk.
So I stop session after 2 consecutive losses. (-6)
Not all losing sessions will be the full 6u (depending on any previous wins accrued of +1)
I therefore try and win each session to +6
Aim is to try and get more winning sessions than losing ones.

Real Session #1 = +6
(6 wins on 1st bet; 4 wins on 2nd bet; 4 no bets; total spins=43)

How to apply Steven's rules?

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 09:45 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 09:42 AM 2017
Hi cht,

Playing ADD revisited (double dozen)

My risk per session = 1-1, 2-2 = total 6 units at risk.
So I stop session after 2 consecutive losses. (-6)
Not all losing sessions will be the full 6u (depending on any previous wins accrued of +1)
I therefore try and win each session to +6
Aim is to try and get more winning sessions than losing ones.

Real Session #1 = +6
(6 wins on 1st bet; 4 wins on 2nd bet; 4 no bets; total spins=43)

A.

Sound like an interesting system. A 6 unit session is good because you can achieve volume. Can you tell me about the system ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 09:48 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 09:45 AM 2017
Sound like an interesting system. A 6 unit session is good because you can achieve volume. Can you tell me about the system ?

First post in this  topic, Steven.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18607.msg173479#msg173479

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 11:29 AM 2017
Real Session #2 = +6
(6 wins on 1st bet; 2 wins on 2nd bet; 1 no bets; total spins=28)

How to apply Steven's rules?

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 11:30 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 09:42 AM 2017
Hi cht,

Playing ADD revisited (double dozen)

My risk per session = 1-1, 2-2 = total 6 units at risk.
So I stop session after 2 consecutive losses. (-6)
Not all losing sessions will be the full 6u (depending on any previous wins accrued of +1)
I therefore try and win each session to +6
Aim is to try and get more winning sessions than losing ones.

Real Session #1 = +6
(6 wins on 1st bet; 4 wins on 2nd bet; 4 no bets; total spins=43)

How to apply Steven's rules?

A.
Apologise for the errors, they're corrected and now made it playable.

Notes -

1. PLAY prompts you to play at that row. The doz to bet against is the number in the next column right of PLAY
Eg. PLAY 1 - bet on doz 2 and 3

2. [a] If Result1 = WIN1, it means the bet won and stop bet
    [a] If Result1 = LOSS1, it means the bet loss follow on to bet next spin against the doz shown in the row below on the right of LOSS1

3. Steven's MM does not have a session loss target. He plays each session to either lose the entire progression then stop or hit the win target.

[1] For 1-1, 2-2 progression, WIN1 counts for +1, LOSS1 WIN2 counts for 0 and LOSS1 LOSS2 counts for -6

Every session stops when the count either reach +6 or LOSS1LOSS2 which gives a session result of whatever earlier win +count -6

[2] For 1-1, 3-3 progression, WIN1 counts for +1, LOSS1 WIN2 counts for 1 and  LOSS1 LOSS2 counts for -8

Every session stops when the count either reach +8 or LOSS1 LOSS2 which gives a session result of whatever earlier win +count -8

4. [a] If the br is set at 10% of balance, then the starting br for 1-1, 2-2 progression is 6x10units = 60
    (b) If the br is set at 10% of balance, then the starting br for 1-1, 3-3 progression is 8x10units = 80

5. Remember, the stake is calculated based on the starting balance of each session x 10%

You make the choice whether you use 1-1, 2-2 or 1-1, 3-3 and the MM %br per session is also your choice to make.

Hope this is clear, let us know your results. Thanks.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 11:40 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 11:29 AM 2017
Real Session #2 = +6
(6 wins on 1st bet; 2 wins on 2nd bet; 1 no bets; total spins=28)

How to apply Steven's rules?

A.

It’s very simple. Do you want me to explain ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 11:46 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 11:40 AM 2017
It’s very simple. Do you want me to explain ?

Yes please...
On a +6 winning session should I increase by 10% of new bank total to get the stake unit for both of the bets?
On a loss do I then calculate 10% of the current total bank?

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 11:48 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 11:46 AM 2017
Yes please...
On a +6 winning session should I increase by 10% on each stake unit on both bets?
On a loss do I then calculate 10% of the current total bank?

A.

Wait. None of the above.
First of all I didn’t understand completely what system you’re playing. Can you describe it here quickly in your own words so I understand and so I can tell you what’s the best money management to apply ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 11:54 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 11:48 AM 2017
Wait. None of the above.
First of all I didn’t understand completely what system you’re playing. Can you describe it here quickly in your own words so I understand and so I can tell you what’s the best money management to apply ?

Sorry - I'll explain later - have to go now!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 11:58 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 11:29 AM 2017
Real Session #2 = +6
(6 wins on 1st bet; 2 wins on 2nd bet; 1 no bets; total spins=28)

How to apply Steven's rules?

A.
Assume your starting bankroll is $1000 and session br is set at 10%, 1st session br = $1000x10% = $100
Stake per bet $100/6 = $16.6

Your example -

6 wins on 1st bet; 2 wins on 2nd bet; 1 no bets; total spins=28
6 x $16.6 = $99.9(approx$100)

New br balance = $1000 + $100 = $1100

2nd session br = $1100x10% = $110
Stake per bet $110/6 = $18.3

And so on.........
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 12:20 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 28, 11:58 AM 2017
Assume your starting bankroll is $1000 and session br is set at 10%, 1st session br = $1000x10% = $100
Stake per bet $100/6 = $16.6

Your example -

6 wins on 1st bet; 2 wins on 2nd bet; 1 no bets; total spins=28
6 x $16.6 = $99.9(approx$100)

New br balance = $1000 + $100 = $1100

2nd session br = $1100x10% = $110
Stake per bet $110/6 = $18.3

And so on.........

Sounds correct. Although I can’t confirm until I understand well the system but sound correct
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: shazwad on Sep 28, 12:39 PM 2017
Hi Steven,
Can you explain for me the money management playing your 11 streets just so I fully understand, say with £500 bank. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 12:59 PM 2017
Hi steven; cht

Yes that looks right. If I playtest/trial online with a live online dealer that accepts 0.10 units I could start with £100.00 and use 10% bank per session = £10.00 using the formula to decide the staking after each win (+6) or loss rounding up/down to nearest 0.10u....

Steve, I gave you link to the system:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18607.0

Track the dozens in triplets...

System is called "AGAINST Dominant Dozens"
When you get a triplet containing 2 same and 1 different - trigger to bet for up to 2 times AGAINST the dominant.
1-1 ; 2-2  STOP = 6u

eg: 112 - bet against 1     
eg: 212 - bet against 2
eg: 133 -  bet against 3

111,222,333 and also 123,132, 213, 231, 312, 321 are no bets
And any triplet containing a 0 is a no bet. eg: 110, 120, 001

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 01:02 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 28, 11:30 AM 2017
Apologise for the errors, they're corrected and now made it playable.

Notes -

1. PLAY prompts you to play at that row. The doz to bet against is the number in the next column right of PLAY
Eg. PLAY 1 - bet on doz 2 and 3

2. [a] If Result1 = WIN1, it means the bet won and stop bet
    [a] If Result1 = LOSS1, it means the bet loss follow on to bet next spin against the doz shown in the row below on the right of LOSS1

3. Steven's MM does not have a session loss target. He plays each session to either lose the entire progression then stop or hit the win target.

[1] For 1-1, 2-2 progression, WIN1 counts for +1, LOSS1 WIN2 counts for 0 and LOSS1 LOSS2 counts for -6

Every session stops when the count either reach +6 or LOSS1LOSS2 which gives a session result of whatever earlier win +count -6

[2] For 1-1, 3-3 progression, WIN1 counts for +1, LOSS1 WIN2 counts for 1 and  LOSS1 LOSS2 counts for -8

Every session stops when the count either reach +8 or LOSS1 LOSS2 which gives a session result of whatever earlier win +count -8

4. [a] If the br is set at 10% of balance, then the starting br for 1-1, 2-2 progression is 6x10units = 60
    (b) If the br is set at 10% of balance, then the starting br for 1-1, 3-3 progression is 8x10units = 80

5. Remember, the stake is calculated based on the starting balance of each session x 10%

You make the choice whether you use 1-1, 2-2 or 1-1, 3-3 and the MM %br per session is also your choice to make.

Hope this is clear, let us know your results. Thanks.

Great stuff, cht.
Thanks for the welcome update, mate and to you and Steve for the MM advice.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 01:23 PM 2017
So when you win on the first try you win 1 unit. On the second bet you break even. And if you don’t win any of the first two bets you lose 6 units ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 01:25 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 28, 11:30 AM 2017
Apologise for the errors, they're corrected and now made it playable.

Notes -

1. PLAY prompts you to play at that row. The doz to bet against is the number in the next column right of PLAY
Eg. PLAY 1 - bet on doz 2 and 3

2. [a] If Result1 = WIN1, it means the bet won and stop bet
    [a] If Result1 = LOSS1, it means the bet loss follow on to bet next spin against the doz shown in the row below on the right of LOSS1

3. Steven's MM does not have a session loss target. He plays each session to either lose the entire progression then stop or hit the win target.

[1] For 1-1, 2-2 progression, WIN1 counts for +1, LOSS1 WIN2 counts for 0 and LOSS1 LOSS2 counts for -6

Every session stops when the count either reach +6 or LOSS1LOSS2 which gives a session result of whatever earlier win +count -6

[2] For 1-1, 3-3 progression, WIN1 counts for +1, LOSS1 WIN2 counts for 1 and  LOSS1 LOSS2 counts for -8

Every session stops when the count either reach +8 or LOSS1 LOSS2 which gives a session result of whatever earlier win +count -8

4. [a] If the br is set at 10% of balance, then the starting br for 1-1, 2-2 progression is 6x10units = 60
    (b) If the br is set at 10% of balance, then the starting br for 1-1, 3-3 progression is 8x10units = 80

5. Remember, the stake is calculated based on the starting balance of each session x 10%

You make the choice whether you use 1-1, 2-2 or 1-1, 3-3 and the MM %br per session is also your choice to make.

Hope this is clear, let us know your results. Thanks.



looks fine but hold on, it wont work.. you know why?
if your two-steps progressions loses you going to lose 60 chips which is exactly 10% of your bankroll! ... so you are done for the day!

steven on session's lose he was just losing 100 chips from his 200  = 10% of his bankroll
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 01:27 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 28, 01:25 PM 2017


looks fine but hold on, it wont work.. you know why?
if your two-steps progressions loses you going to lose 60 chips which is exactly 10% of your bankroll! ... so you are done for the day!

steven on session's lose he was just losing 100 chips from his 200  = 10% of his bankroll

That’s not true. If they have won 3 units before they lose their 6 units, it’s like they only lost 3 units.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 01:29 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 01:23 PM 2017
So when you win on the first try you win 1 unit. On the second bet you break even. And if you don’t win any of the first two bets you lose 6 units ?

If Im Correct, that’s a really bad system guys !  You have no edge. You need to spin too much. I know of way better ways to play with a max drawdown of 5 units ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 01:30 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 01:27 PM 2017
That’s not true. If they have won 3 units before they lose their 6 units, it’s like they only lost 3 units.

Steven, and what it the progreession busts from first attempt ?

they drop -60 ... i understood from you that if your progression busts from first attempt you are just -100 and not -200 !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 28, 01:34 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 28, 01:30 PM 2017
Steven, and what it the progreession busts from first attempt ?

they drop -60 ... i understood from you that if your progression busts from first attempt you are just -100 and not -200 !

You understood wrong. The progression busts in average in the middle. Sometimes in the first attempt. Sometimes in the last attemp. In average in the middle. So in average you lose half of your money. Sometime you lose 99% of it, sometimes only 1%. In average 50%.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 01:42 PM 2017
Quote from: vladir on Sep 28, 09:00 AM 2017No MM will save you if your bet selection is not superior, i.e, it must win flat betting.

So then we not need MM right ?  :girl_to:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 01:47 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 28, 09:05 AM 2017
If you have 50% win 50% loss you will won a lot of money. You only need a 38% win rate to break even. If you can’t achieve this, quit gambling.

So isn't it better to play baccarat or la partage roulette? 

@Atlantis... My apologies but I'm really sure it won't win with double dozens unless.......Well unless you got patience and play something like grassroots with a virtual dd.....But problably even then as time goes by....
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 01:55 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 01:47 PM 2017
So isn't it better to play baccarat or la partage roulette? 

@Atlantis... My apologies but I'm really sure it won't win with double dozens unless.......Well unless you got patience and play something like grassroots with a virtual dd.....But problably even then as time goes by....
Run autobot to start session bet after 3 consecutive virtual sessions of greater equal -3(approx 150spins) may do the trick. We need Rx programmers to confirm if this model is net positive or not.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 02:17 PM 2017
Yeah - maybe not good enough with this A.D.D method. I did quick test using cht's sheet and did the F9 random numbers for each game.
9 games - 1st 2 games won +6 ; next 7 were losers (not all were -6) but that was end of first £10 bank.
Don't think I will play it for real this way... :(

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 02:25 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 02:17 PM 2017
Yeah - maybe not good enough with this A.D.D method. I did quick test using cht's sheet and did the F9 random numbers for each game.
9 games - 1st 2 games won +6 ; next 7 were losers (not all were -6) but that was end of first £10 bank.
Don't think I will play it for real this way... :(

A.

I guess I'm gonna bore most here but....Why not use this MM with hot numbers? There are few methods that would rock this MM.

Maybe even Notto's 9 remaining nonhit...Just thinking out loud here
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 02:28 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 02:25 PM 2017
I guess I'm gonna bore most here but....Why not use this MM with hot numbers? There are few methods that would rock this MM.

Maybe even Notto's 9 remaining nonhit...Just thinking out loud here
What hot numbers method ? Which thread ?

I'll code the excel sheet.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 02:36 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 28, 02:28 PM 2017
What hot numbers method ? Which thread ?

I'll code the excel sheet.

The 9 nonhit one ? Uhm no idea which thread that is.... But here's the method...

Cross of all # that come up till you got 9 nonhit left. Now bet those all 9 at the same time till a hit. Now bet all remaining 8 till a hit...Etc. ..

You can do this flat or +1 or 1/2/4/8etc or 1/5/25......
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 02:39 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 02:36 PM 2017
The 9 nonhit one ? Uhm no idea which thread that is.... But here's the method...

Cross of all # that come up till you got 9 nonhit left. Now bet those all 9 at the same time till a hit. Now bet all remaining 8 till a hit...Etc. ..

You can do this flat or +1 or 1/2/4/8etc or 1/5/25......
Thanks, I 'll check it out.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 28, 02:41 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 02:36 PM 2017
The 9 nonhit one ? Uhm no idea which thread that is.... But here's the method...

Cross of all # that come up till you got 9 nonhit left. Now bet those all 9 at the same time till a hit. Now bet all remaining 8 till a hit...Etc. ..

You can do this flat or +1 or 1/2/4/8etc or 1/5/25......
:thumbsup: but stop when in profit
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 02:58 PM 2017
why we don't play the double dozens method with 4 different wheels ... this way we reduce the risk, of course it only works on live wheels.
so first bet on wheel A, stick to this wheel as long as you win
if lost move to wheel B
etc

what do you think?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 03:01 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 28, 02:58 PM 2017
why we don't play the double dozens method with 4 different wheels ... this way we reduce the risk, of course it only works on live wheels.
so first bet on wheel A, stick to this wheel as long as you win
if lost move to wheel B
etc

what do you think?

Why ? What's that gonna change? 
Anyway here's the answer: changing wheels doesn't work at all. It might feel better in our head but....doesn't change a thing.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 03:06 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 03:01 PM 2017Anyway here's the answer: changing wheels doesn't work at all. It might feel better in our head but....doesn't change a thing.

The probability of losing  with two dozens is 36% ... so for every 4 bets expect to lose 1.28 times.
the advantage by selecting a pool of wheels is to avoid losing streaks on a particular wheel which you will often encounter!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 28, 03:09 PM 2017
Changing to another wheel is ok, but you will be starting at spin 1 of the 37#'s that you know are coming, it's the only thing you know is coming in those  spins, in the  spins do you know how many doz's coming or reds, no, but as said when you start there's your 37 #'s,
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 03:12 PM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 28, 03:09 PM 2017
Changing to another wheel is ok, but you will be starting at spin 1 of the 37#'s that you know are coming, it's the only thing you know is coming in those  spins, in the  spins do you know how many doz's coming or reds, no, but as said when you start there's your 37 #'s,

The point is to play these 4 triple-Marti on 4 different wheels, one after the other... it's gonna hit somehwere.
and the day in which you lose on all the 4 wheels, accept the lose...i am sure it won't happen that much
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 03:13 PM 2017
I tested 2consecutive virtual loss greater equal -3 to occur within 55spins then start bet session, it gave a net positive result with excel random number. 33% roi after 3000 spins.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 03:21 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 28, 03:12 PM 2017
The point is to play these 4 triple-Marti on 4 different wheels, one after the other... it's gonna hit somehwere.
and the day in which you lose on all the 4 wheels, accept the lose...i am sure it won't happen that much

It will happen as much as on one wheel. Wanna bet ? I do understand how you think though but it just isn't that easy.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 03:22 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 28, 03:13 PM 2017
I tested 2consecutive virtual loss greater equal -3 to occur within 55spins then start bet session, it gave a net positive result with excel random number. 33% roi after 3000 spins.

Which method are you testing? 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 28, 03:24 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 03:22 PM 2017
Which method are you testing?
ADD with virtual loss. I'll test the 9 unhit later
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 03:25 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 28, 03:24 PM 2017
ADD with virtual loss. I'll test the 9 unhit later

No worries,  no rush... keep us posted
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 03:48 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 03:21 PM 2017
It will happen as much as on one wheel. Wanna bet ? I do understand how you think though but it just isn't that easy.

with advantage play it won't happen as on a single wheel.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 28, 04:04 PM 2017
 :sad2:
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 28, 03:48 PM 2017
with advantage play it won't happen as on a single wheel.

Advantage play on multiple wheels.... pfff I'll pass on this one. Good luck  :)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 28, 04:15 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 04:04 PM 2017
:sad2:
Advantage play on multiple wheels.... pfff I'll pass on this one. Good luck  :)

seems impossible, right ?
believe it or not ... it can be done
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:50 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 27, 10:24 AM 2017
For those of you who want to know how to consistently withdraw from a casino without them noticing, so you don’t get on their bad radar and they start blocking, here is a little trick I use. I use myself not at the roulette, but in order for the bookmakers to not limit my stakes on my football bets (they do that as soon as you withdraw two months in a row) .... but it will cost you 3-4% per withdrawal. That’s the price for peace.

What you need is to play in a casino that also has sport betting, such a paddy power, bwin, Ladbrokes, etc....

Let’s say you win 5000£ at the roulette and you are afraid that they will not let you withdraw it.
What you need to do is to open and deposit money in a Betfair Exchange acccount. Betfair Exchange is a betting website different from every other because you don’t play against the bookmaker. You play against other bettors just like you. It’s like a marketplace that lets people bet against each other. The website itself takes a commission on all the bets placed on their site. So they have an advantage to pay you your withdrawal. Because they don’t lose money, and they want you to come back cause the more you bet on their site the more money they make.

Back to our problem. If you won 5000 on bwin and you want to withdraw it. Go to their sports section and find a game with a team who is favorite. With you 5000, you will bet against the favorite team. At the same time, you are going to betfair, on the same game, and you bet for that team. You need to calculate the odds to make sure that you win the 5000 that you will lose on bwin. What you are essentially doing is virtually transferring your winings from bwin to betfair. You lose a few percent in the process, but now you’re money is in a place where you can safely withdraw it. All the time, however much you want ! And bwin loves you because you make them win money by losing so many bets.

Clever isn’t it ?

Hi Steven ..... do you know other site like Betfair Exchange because Betfair are no longer be available to residents of Canada.

thanks
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 29, 12:32 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 28, 02:17 PM 2017
Yeah - maybe not good enough with this A.D.D method. I did quick test using cht's sheet and did the F9 random numbers for each game.
9 games - 1st 2 games won +6 ; next 7 were losers (not all were -6) but that was end of first £10 bank.
Don't think I will play it for real this way... :(

A.
Consider this, if it drained the br that quick after only 9games, inverting the bet the way you did on that thread will give you an equivalent win indicating the potential.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Sep 29, 03:41 AM 2017
Any update after yesterdays games Steven?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 29, 03:52 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Sep 29, 03:41 AM 2017
Any update after yesterdays games Steven?

Yes. A very interesting one actually cause I lost the first session. Will update later. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 29, 05:41 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 29, 12:32 AM 2017
Consider this, if it drained the br that quick after only 9games, inverting the bet the way you did on that thread will give you an equivalent win indicating the potential.

Hi cht; Steven
I still think it a good little system though.
As for Inverting the bet, I showed playing the opposite way (FDD; For Dominant Dozen)
I believe bleep24 (brian) plays it that way.

The results I got were tested on the excel rng seed - I actually think it works better on real roulette and I would only play for real on that or live dealer online.

I also tested andre chass hit'n'run method. He is getting nice long string of hits playing one a day. I got 5 LOSSES out of 10 spins/bets on an rng!! Just shows you!!!

POSSIBLY a better option is to play the "hedging" way with virtual recording/differential betting I described quite fully at the close of the ADD revisited thread. Got success with that. But, as stated, I would NEVER play ANY of the three ways, (ADD, FDD or mixture of BOTH) on a rng for real monies.

Thanx.
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 29, 06:18 AM 2017
H cht,
Another easy DD method to consider is "Trending Dozens" by GLC:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.0

Quick play betting ONCE only when indicated and then waiting for missing doz to occur before tracking for next trigger I got wwLwwL::
Quite nice. Use the progression shown or your own pref.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Sep 29, 07:20 AM 2017
Hey guys,

Thinking about one of Steven previous answers,  he says if we use the Money Management,  we  only need around a 38% win rate to break even and that  if we manage to get around a 50% winrate that we could make big profits in the end,  so what if we divide the 1000 unit bankroll into the five small bankrolls of 200 units and make one bet with one of the entire small bankrolls (the whole 200) units on one of the EC's (Red or Black),  math says that if we win we willl double the small bankroll in one bet and also that we will win around 47% percent of the time becouse of the zero,  so 47% (more than the 38% Steven mentioned) ... Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 29, 08:09 AM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Sep 29, 07:20 AM 2017
Hey guys,

Thinking about one of Steven previous answers,  he says if we use the Money Management,  we  only need around a 38% win rate to break even and that  if we manage to get around a 50% winrate that we could make big profits in the end,  so what if we divide the 1000 unit bankroll into the five small bankrolls of 200 units and make one bet with one of the entire small bankrolls (the whole 200) units on one of the EC's (Red or Black),  math says that if we win we willl double the small bankroll in one bet and also that we will win around 47% percent of the time becouse of the zero,  so 47% (more than the 38% Steven mentioned) ... Just thinking out loud.


Go for it....you gambler !!
And my advice to you if lost the first bet on red just double the amount and bet it on black !!

Happy bankruptcy -;)


Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 29, 08:24 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 29, 08:09 AM 2017

Go for it....you gambler !!
And my advice to you if lost the first bet on red just double the amount and bet it on black !!

Happy bankruptcy -;)

:xd:

-------------------

Why is everyone so into double dozens?  Why not the single dominant dozen ? Or dare I say it....straight Up bets
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 29, 08:32 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 29, 08:24 AM 2017
:xd:

-------------------

Why is everyone so into double dozens?  Why not the single dominant dozen ? Or dare I say it....straight Up bets

Here we go...24 straight numbers.
It's Gonna work, unless you can't afford 7 steps triple-martingale... can you ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 29, 08:40 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 29, 08:32 AM 2017
Here we go...24 straight numbers.
It's Gonna work, unless you can't afford 7 steps triple-martingale... can you ?

Rofl hilarious. And still easy to bust  :girl_to:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 29, 08:44 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 29, 08:40 AM 2017
Rofl hilarious. And still easy to bust  :girl_to:

If I can go up to 7 marti on 24 numbers I will win 99.9% the time
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 29, 09:14 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 29, 08:44 AM 2017
If I can go up to 7 marti on 24 numbers I will win 99.9% the time

Impressive. I can't.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 29, 09:18 AM 2017


A 7 step martingale on two dozens. When the bust happens it would take you forever to win back. It’s not if but when. All systems should be designed to take a loss. A 7 step two dozen Marty is not designed to take a loss



(link:://:.reactiongifs.com/r/saywha.gif)

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 29, 09:21 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 29, 09:18 AM 2017


A 7 step martingale on two dozens. When the bust happens it would take you forever to win back. It’s not if but when. All systems should be designed to take a loss. A 7 step two dozen Marty is not designed to take a loss



(link:://:.reactiongifs.com/r/saywha.gif)

Hey ghost!  -;)

Who said two dozens ?!
Straight numbers is the way to go ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 29, 09:27 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 29, 09:18 AM 2017


A 7 step martingale on two dozens. When the bust happens it would take you forever to win back. It’s not if but when. All systems should be designed to take a loss. A 7 step two dozen Marty is not designed to take a loss



(link:://:.reactiongifs.com/r/saywha.gif)

For once that you and me agree
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 29, 09:27 AM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Sep 28, 07:50 PM 2017
Hi Steven ..... do you know other site like Betfair Exchange because Betfair are no longer be available to residents of Canada.

thanks

There aren’t any. Maybe match book but the liquidity is not great !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 29, 09:33 AM 2017
Hmm... 7 steps.... ok let's Forget table limits. And the fact you don't need roulette to make money coz you have that money to cover those bets....

Let's pretend it's my first time looking on this game...

How Is betting 2 dozens or 24 numbers different? 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 29, 09:39 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 29, 09:33 AM 2017
Hmm... 7 steps.... ok let's Forget table limits. And the fact you don't need roulette to make money coz you have that money to cover those bets....

Let's pretend it's my first time looking on this game...

How Is betting 2 dozens or 24 numbers different?

I always say the table layout is made for the Casino and not for the players.

And you ask such a question !

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 29, 09:42 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Sep 29, 09:33 AM 2017
Hmm... 7 steps.... ok let's Forget table limits. And the fact you don't need roulette to make money coz you have that money to cover those bets....

Let's pretend it's my first time looking on this game...

How Is betting 2 dozens or 24 numbers different?

Haven't you noticed that dozen/column have higher limit than one straight number ??

There is a reason behind that !!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 29, 09:46 AM 2017
Since  ddoz sure to lose bet against it, be the house.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Priyanka on Sep 29, 09:54 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 29, 09:27 AM 2017
There aren’t any. Maybe match book but the liquidity is not great !
Matchbook is out of Canada market and so is ladbrokes exchange/betdaq.  You could try smarkets.com
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 29, 09:55 AM 2017
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 29, 09:54 AM 2017
Matchbook is out of Canada market and so is ladbrokes exchange/betdaq.  You could try smarkets.com

But none of those will compete with the liquidity on betFair anyway
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Sep 29, 10:04 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 29, 09:42 AM 2017
Haven't you noticed that dozen/column have higher limit than one straight number ??

There is a reason behind that !!

Oh I didn't know that.
Let's say there are no limits...

How Is betting 2 dozens different from 24 straight up numbers? 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 29, 10:33 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 29, 09:55 AM 2017
But none of those will compete with the liquidity on betFair anyway

Yes. steven is right on that. Even though smarkets charges a lower %comm.

Re: the Double Dozens. Had great fun today playing the 'trending dozens' by GLC. (link posted earlier)
So pleased to rediscover that this morning. Won some units with it.

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Priyanka on Sep 29, 12:31 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 29, 09:55 AM 2017
But none of those will compete with the liquidity on betFair anyway
Something is better than nothing. Betfair doesn't operate in Canada.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Sep 29, 01:59 PM 2017
Today got a winning Sports bet on BetFair:
Algerian Ligue 1
CS Constantine 1-0 MC Alger

Bet CS Constantine @2.32  WON

Hooray!

(Also: Atlantis FC 5 - 0 Espoon Tikka - well naturellement!)

:)
A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ozon on Sep 29, 07:54 PM 2017
I did not simulate last 9 numbers Notto way.
But my time simulated last 4 numbers with martinale progression and it behaved much better than choosing 4 random numbers with same progression. Still lose  in lonrun.
I do not know if we have some edge playing the flat bet of cold numbers.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ozon on Sep 29, 08:20 PM 2017
Today I read some old CHT posts and it seemed to me that a few days ago he simulated the strategies given by reddwarf.
If Ec repeats in spin 2, the more likely it is that another EC will come out.
I bet it's a great strategy to beat no zero betvoyager roulette.
Using a negative progression 1-1-3 stop.
20 unts target profit ,, -20 stop lose.

Adding Steven MM we have strong strategie
If they divide the capital into 4 parts, each part is 20 units, if we win 20 units then we divide it into 4 parts again and so on.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 30, 06:48 AM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Sep 29, 07:20 AM 2017
Hey guys,

Thinking about one of Steven previous answers,  he says if we use the Money Management,  we  only need around a 38% win rate to break even and that  if we manage to get around a 50% winrate that we could make big profits in the end,  so what if we divide the 1000 unit bankroll into the five small bankrolls of 200 units and make one bet with one of the entire small bankrolls (the whole 200) units on one of the EC's (Red or Black),  math says that if we win we willl double the small bankroll in one bet and also that we will win around 47% percent of the time becouse of the zero,  so 47% (more than the 38% Steven mentioned) ... Just thinking out loud.


Wrong. It cannot work like this. Because if You sessions/attack’s are only made of 1 bet you either win it all or lose it all.
Part of the success of my money management is that fast that when you lose you don’t always lose everything. So your attacks need to be on lower odds, divided into smaller bets. Hope that makes sens. 
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Sep 30, 07:01 AM 2017
Quick update about the football betting challenge. As you can see on the screenshot the balance is now at £209. This is because I lost the first session. Fortunately, I was already far into the session when I lost a bet so the loss wasn’t too bad. Today i am starting the second session, hoping this time i will reach the target.
I’m pretty happy the first session was lost because it will be a good example for you to see the recouping capabilities of my money management. Just to refresh your memory, we started with £240. First attack was of £80 so the first target was £320. But we lost that session which brought the balance to 209£.

The new attack size is 70£. Starting the session right now.

Talk soon.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 30, 02:44 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 29, 06:18 AM 2017
H cht,
Another easy DD method to consider is "Trending Dozens" by GLC:

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.0

Use the progression shown or your own pref.
A.

Quote from: GLC on May 15, 01:10 AM 2013

Here's the system.  I've been playing this on my airball machine for quarters. 

1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 5-5; 6-6; 7-7; etc...


So far I've never had to bet more than 12-12 and even then I wasn't that much in the hole.  And betting 12-12 is a pretty low bet for double dozens.
Enjoy,
GLC


Yes, the proposed progression was only feasible for the author because he was playing at an airball machine (in Arizona) for only quarters (see highlighted quote above).

In most US casinos, the minimum betting amounts are much higher, especially with dealer-spun wheels (even most airball machines have minimum betting amounts that are in the $5 to $10 range).

At a $5 table, a 12-12 double dozen bet means a $60-$60 bet for the two dozens.

And at a $10 table, the 12-12 double dozen bet translates into a $120-$120 bet for the two dozens.

When discussing negative progressions, too many people too conveniently (or maybe too negligently) ignore real life conditions and restrictions that exist at the tables.

This has ramifications for those of us who are in the US -- most of the time, we have to play at actual brick-and-mortar casinos with the above-mentioned conditions and restrictions (since our online playing options are severely limited).
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Sep 30, 05:38 PM 2017
I am sure many of you have heard about charlie Barley's strategy... it's mainly based on permutations (7 cycle repeated colour permutation ).
i wonder if we can use it with steven's MM.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Sep 30, 06:49 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 30, 05:38 PM 2017
I am sure many of you have heard about charlie Barley's strategy... it's mainly based on permutations (7 cycle repeated colour permutation ).
i wonder if we can use it with steven's MM.

Here is an open question for you :thumbsup:

Those who are about to use Stephens MM as if it is some magical sticking plaster, please explain this to me. I am all ears.

How does MM mathematically change the odds?


Small print

You are about to use it like it is some panacea.
You must realize something in it that you can explain here
You must also realize that everytime you re-visit the table, be that each spin, be that hit and run, be that taking past spins as a trigger, be that following patterns, or a lack of patterns, you always have less money than you should have due to unfair payout and that means that your success or failure is constantly eroded over time due to house edge. You know all this because you understand that this is a negative expectation game

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Sep 30, 07:32 PM 2017
A load of invincible crap
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 30, 08:02 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 06:49 PM 2017
Here is an open question for you
Those who are about to use Stephens MM as if it is some magical sticking plaster, please explain this to me. I am all ears.

How does MM mathematically change the odds?
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Turner,
Your Abu Dhabi-financed mercenaries put on an awesome show today.

They are, for sure, favorites for the EPL -- after today's performance, they also look like legitimate contenders for the CL. 

:thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 30, 08:30 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 06:49 PM 2017
Here is an open question for you :thumbsup:

Those who are about to use Stephens MM as if it is some magical sticking plaster, please explain this to me. I am all ears.

How does MM mathematically change the odds?


Small print

You are about to use it like it is some panacea.
You must realize something in it that you can explain here
You must also realize that everytime you re-visit the table, be that each spin, be that hit and run, be that taking past spins as a trigger, be that following patterns, or a lack of patterns, you always have less money than you should have due to unfair payout and that means that your success or failure is constantly eroded over time due to house edge. You know all this because you understand that this is a negative expectation game

I'll try explain the use of MM this once.

Progression is merely an exercise to increase/decrease the stakes at particular points of the betting cycle.
It does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


Again, MM does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


Progression is a staking plan and MM is a bankroll management - the two does not refer to the same thing.

In any distribution there's variance for and against our bets.

The purpose of any form of MM is to better optimise the impact of variance on bankroll as against if none were used ie. flatbet.

This optimisation process is usually based on experiential statistical distribution of historical data.
However, outcomes of casino games being randomly distributed means that future events does not necessarily reflect such past events, this is where the MM model may fail - the impact is unknown.
Demiliters is commonly used to circumvent such fat-tailed eventualities, eg. blackswan.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 30, 08:51 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 30, 08:30 PM 2017
I'll try explain the use of MM this once.

Progression is merely an exercise to increase/decrease the stakes at particular points of the betting cycle.
It does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


The use of progression staking plan can only be justified if the purpose is to optimise outcomes based on experiential statistical data. However, outcomes of casino games being randomly distributed means that future events does not necessarily reflect  past events.

Again, MM does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


Progression is a staking plan and MM is a bankroll management - the two do not refer to the same thing.

In any distribution there's variance for and against our bets.

The purpose of any form of MM is to better optimise the impact of variance on bankroll as against if none were used ie. flatbet.

This optimisation process is normally based on experiential statistical distribution of historical data.
However, outcomes of casino games being randomly distributed means that future events does not necessarily reflect past events, this is where the MM model may fail - the impact is unknown.
Demiliters is commonly used to circumvent such fat-tailed eventualities, eg. blackswan.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 30, 09:12 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Sep 30, 08:51 PM 2017

All models are wrong but some are useful ----- George E P Box

Lets hope, by best efforts, some MM models are useful.  :lol:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Sep 30, 09:38 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 30, 08:02 PM 2017
Turner,
Your Abu Dhabi-financed mercenaries put on an awesome show today.

They are, for sure, favorites for the EPL -- after today's performance, they also look like legitimate contenders for the CL. 

:thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
There's lukaku, rashford, pogba, martial, fellaini, mkhitaryan, mata, lingard.........david de gea standing in their path.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: atlantis on Oct 01, 06:26 AM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 30, 02:44 PM 2017

Yes, the proposed progression was only feasible for the author because he was playing at an airball machine (in Arizona) for only quarters (see highlighted quote above).

In most US casinos, the minimum betting amounts are much higher, especially with dealer-spun wheels (even most airball machines have minimum betting amounts that are in the $5 to $10 range).

At a $5 table, a 12-12 double dozen bet means a $60-$60 bet for the two dozens.

And at a $10 table, the 12-12 double dozen bet translates into a $120-$120 bet for the two dozens.

When discussing negative progressions, too many people too conveniently (or maybe too negligently) ignore real life conditions and restrictions that exist at the tables.

This has ramifications for those of us who are in the US -- most of the time, we have to play at actual brick-and-mortar casinos with the above-mentioned conditions and restrictions (since our online playing options are severely limited).

Hi DoctorS,

Yes all very valid points indeed - and I am totally in agreement with you on that.
I'm still searching for a good viable bet selection to use with Steven1212's betting principles.
Today, I will look again at the EC+Col idea. I'm thinking of betting the leading EC, but only when it's ahead by 2 or more...

A.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Oct 02, 04:55 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 30, 07:01 AM 2017
Quick update about the football betting challenge. As you can see on the screenshot the balance is now at £209. This is because I lost the first session. Fortunately, I was already far into the session when I lost a bet so the loss wasn’t too bad. Today i am starting the second session, hoping this time i will reach the target.
I’m pretty happy the first session was lost because it will be a good example for you to see the recouping capabilities of my money management. Just to refresh your memory, we started with £240. First attack was of £80 so the first target was £320. But we lost that session which brought the balance to 209£.

The new attack size is 70£. Starting the session right now.

Talk soon.

Any upate after a busy weekend of Football?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 02, 01:23 PM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Oct 02, 04:55 AM 2017
Any upate after a busy weekend of Football?

Yes. I was travelling all weekend so I didn’t have time to post but I have screenshots of everyday to show you what happened. 
Will post soon.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 02, 01:24 PM 2017
Guys I’m catching up with this thread and I’m so surprised ! It’s been 7 days that I gave  you a magic system to make money everyday and you guys are still struggling !
Come one.
Can someone post a series of 200 or 300 spins of your choice. And I will use these number to show you how easy it is to make money with my system.

Go ahead post me some real spin archives thanks.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 02, 02:04 PM 2017
Hello Steven,

We are still struggling becouse unfortunately we havent been able to find a method were we double our bankroll at least half of the time to apply with your MM, I have tried multiple approaches and I have seen some systems that will double the bankroll but it will happen less than 38 percent of the time...

For example with your street method, we are covering 11 streets, we are risking 11 units to win 1 unit, so in order to double the small bankroll like this, we need to win 11 times in a row, and we need to be able todo this more than 38% of the sessions in order to be in profit at the end of the month.

Mathematically we wont be able to win 38% of the sessions:

11 streets = 33 numbers out of 37 numbers, which equals 89.1%

Now what are the chances of 89.1% of hitting 11 times in a row?  89.1^ (11) = 28%

That means that out of a 100 sessions we will only win 11 times in a row 28% of the time, we will only double our small bankroll 28 times.

We need more than 38% to be in profit by the end of the month.

What other approach could we take?  I still like your mm and think its very clever, we just need to have a solid bet selection that mathematically could deliver over 38%.

Thanks in advance Steven,
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 02, 02:15 PM 2017
Here are 300 real spins from Celtic Casino Live 00 wheel.

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2. 4
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4. 18
5. 15
6. 0
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8. 15
9. 10
10. 4
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12. 5
13. 3
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17. 27
18. 24
19. 30
20. 23
21. 12
22. 23
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24. 18
25. 2
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29. 32
30. 8
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35. 12
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37. 27
38. 7
39. 30
40. 1
41. 27
42. 0
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44. 32
45. 29
46. 27
47. 23
48. 23
49. 00
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64. 10
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68. 15
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12. 25
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17. 3
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21. 3
22. 15
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27. 19
28. 3
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31. 20
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33. 7
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36. 33
37. 16
38. 3
39. 30
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42. 12
43. 23
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45. 2
46. 29
47. 15
48. 23
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50. 32
51. 21
52. 27
53. 2
54. 33
55. 12
56. 9
57. 19
58. 31
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60. 13
61. 12
62. 11
63. 12
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65. 29
66. 34
67. 30
68. 19
69. 25
70. 27
71. 18
72. 1
73. 30
74. 30
75. 22

1. 00
2. 33
3. 11
4. 31
5. 12
6. 14
7. 10
8. 5
9. 15
10. 36
11. 34
12. 0
13. 30
14. 22
15. 33
16. 18
17. 33
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19. 10
20. 17
21. 24
22. 2
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25. 27
26. 2
27. 18
28. 18
29. 21
30. 26
31. 13
32. 11
33. 22
34. 24
35. 14
36. 00
37. 18
38. 25
39. 6
40. 0
41. 5
42. 0
43. 26
44. 21
45. 25
46. 15
47. 10
48. 4
49. 24
50. 24
51. 2
52. 4
53. 00
54. 25
55. 24
56. 14
57. 1
58. 12
59. 12
60. 24
61. 23
62. 29
63. 20
64. 35
65. 1
66. 36
67. 5
68. 13
69. 22
70. 00
71. 9
72. 20
73. 1
74. 28
75. 14

1. 24
2. 31
3. 32
4. 21
5. 1
6. 12
7. 16
8. 00
9. 32
10. 13
11. 3
12. 29
13. 23
14. 0
15. 29
16. 36
17. 1
18. 31
19. 22
20. 19
21. 24
22. 0
23. 9
24. 12
25. 32
26. 10
27. 36
28. 9
29. 17
30. 27
31. 2
32. 1
33. 34
34. 22
35. 0
36. 14
37. 13
38. 21
39. 7
40. 33
41. 11
42. 22
43. 0
44. 14
45. 5
46. 36
47. 8
48. 29
49. 23
50. 5

Thank you again Steven, really appreaciate your willingness to help.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 02, 02:20 PM 2017
You need to have more faith ! Send me a sequence of 200/300 numbers and I will show you. Spend less time calculating and more time doing. You will see
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 02, 02:24 PM 2017
Rule number one.  Don’t play the 00 wheel.
If you can’t find anything else then go home and find anothe Way to make money.

Can you send me 300 spins with only one 0?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 02, 02:27 PM 2017
No problem, here we have real spins without the double zero:

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30
4
15
32
29
14
22
27
34
9
32
8
31
0
10
6
7
2
32
4
33
21
34
19
2
24
17
8
15
2
20
13
26
2
10
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35
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2
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21
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 02, 03:28 PM 2017
I’m tempted to shoe you that play continusouly on those three hundred numbers you could make big money but I’m already annoyed at all the bitches who will spend their night trying to prove me wrong instead of going out to make money. I know better now
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 02, 03:35 PM 2017
I understand Steve,

Some of us really appreciate your contribuitions and are willing to contribuite as well.

please dissmiss any bad comments and continue with the thread.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 02, 03:41 PM 2017
I sent you a pm.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 02, 03:48 PM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Oct 02, 03:41 PM 2017
I sent you a pm.

Don't bother. I dont read PM.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 02, 04:06 PM 2017
Ok,

I just made a simulation with these 300 spins. I doubled the balance easy. I actually doubled it twice.
Should I show you how??? Ahhhh im so tempted, but I also really dont want to show Madi how to win.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: iar000 on Oct 02, 07:36 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 02, 04:06 PM 2017
Ok,

I just made a simulation with these 300 spins. I doubled the balance easy. I actually doubled it twice.
Should I show you how??? Ahhhh im so tempted, but I also really dont want to show Madi how to win.





Please Steven tell us , dont bother with Madi
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 02, 07:52 PM 2017
there will always be someone who wishes your strategy fails or who tries hard to find a losing sequence to post

ive learned those people are best to ignore

or just dont post strategies lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Baelog on Oct 02, 08:42 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 02, 04:06 PM 2017

I just made a simulation with these 300 spins. I doubled the balance easy. I actually doubled it twice.
Should I show you how???

Please show us how. I would be very grateful.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 03, 02:59 AM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Oct 02, 02:04 PM 2017
Hello Steven,

We are still struggling becouse unfortunately we havent been able to find a method were we double our bankroll at least half of the time to apply with your MM

We? You mean , you.


What other approach could we take?  I still like your mm and think its very clever, we just need to have a solid bet selection that mathematically could deliver over 38%.

Theprobasah hg ?!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 03, 03:06 AM 2017
@Steven1212 ... 0 Or 00 doesn't gonna make or lose a method. Even without any 0 most still gonna lose. It is what it is.

And of course giving spins in advance is to easy. Try the MPR here.

But your MM is very good. Smart ones will use it to good use.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 03:28 AM 2017
Not true. Everything evens out over the long term. So on a double 0 table you will have slightly more losses and that can matter.

Yesterday I took the 300 number given to me to test the stupidest, simplest system in order to show that my money management can do do wonders.

It actually started very bad, and after the first 3  sessions lost most of the dumbass in this forum would have said that it doesn't work and stopped testing. Because they are so stupid to think that there is a system that works all the time. But for those with discipline, faith and patience, you would have doubled your balance in a few hours.

The system is simple.
You cover 5 double street with 1 unit each. Total stake is therefore 5 units in order to win 1 unit. Flat staking of course. Each sessions is 5 bets, since you only need to win 5 time to double and finish your session.
Trigger is simple too. Simply wait for a double street to repeat, then bet against that street to repeat a third time in a row.

Here is what it looks like with the 300 numbers that someone posted here yesterday. I did this in 10 minutes, cause I dont have more time to waste, so I actually stopped before the end of the 300 cause my point was made.

Imagine if you did this waiting for single streets. the hit rate would be even better.

Starting Bankroll: $1000

Attack with $200

9
3
9
4
18
12
29
28

Bet 1

2

Won

21
13
3
36
22
-- -- --
21

Bet 2

24

LOST
New bankroll: $840
New attack: $168


Bet 1

7

Won

36
11
7

Bet 2

25

Won

31
29
24
3
2

Bet 3

17

Won

31
31

Bet 4

27

Won

-- -- --
15
24
24

Bet 5


28

LOST
New bankroll: $806
New attack: $161

0
7
35
29
28

Bet 1

32

Won

29
19
13
1
2

Bet 2

23

Won

36
8
24
2
-- -- --
2

Bet 3

18
35

Won

9
13
30
33
31

Bet 4

21

Won

3
3

Bet 5

6

LOST
New bankroll: 774
New attack: $154

18
20
16
13

Bet 1

12

Won
-- -- --
9

Bet 2

14

Won

24
1
30
36
25
0
19
10
3
1

Bet 3

31

Won
-- -- --
10
21
11
5
6

Bet 4

26

Won

33
26
17
-- -- --
20
22

Bet 5

11

WON
New bankroll: $928
New attack: $185

3
29
20
5
16
0
11
36
0
15
-- -- --
36
11
13
29
17
25
8
34
13
21
20

Bet 1

17

Won

27
19
24

Bet 2

9

Won

0
-- -- --
25
12
4
28
24
36
23
6
-- -- --
24
21

Bet 3

3

Won

27
8
23
36
15
26
-- -- --
16
16

Bet 4

30

Won

30

Bet 5

4

WON
New bankroll: $1,113
New attack: 222
36
14
18

Bet 1

1

Won

31
5
16
34
8
4
11
19
9
17
24
11
31
17
13

Bet 2

12

Won

23
20

Bet 3

3

Won
-- -- --
36
15
13

Bet 4

19

Won
25
0
35
21
33
25
33
12
15
11
9

Bet 4

22

Won

29
35
1
-- -- --
35
17
28
6
13
23
15
23
35
31

Bet 5

11

WON
New bankroll: $1,335
New attack: $267


13
21
-- -- --
20

Bet 1

16

Won

20
8
3
34
34

Bet 2

6

Won

28
36
15
18

Bet 3

9

Won

2
10
16
36
20
-- -- --
6
30
25
27

Bet 4

5

Won

18
25
2
3

Bet 5

21

WON
New bankroll: $1,602
New attack: $320

25
19
7
24
10
27
11
23
24

Bet 1
-- -- --
33

Won

26
29

Bet 2

14

Won

35
24
28
35
8
3
9
23
28
33
28
18
7
29
10
-- -- --
30
8
16
26
24
20

Bet 3

34

Won

2
11
25
10
4
18
17

Bet 4

1

Won

27
17
21
-- -- --
30
11
20
1
16
30
3
22
10
4
25
28

Bet 5

30

LOST
New bankroll: $1,538
New attack: $307

27
8
14
34
11
-- -- --
27
0
0
22
16
22
1
23
-- -- --
4
34
30
32
35

Bet 1

12

Won

20
5
16
2
29
34
26
2
9
16
17

Bet 2

20

Won
-- -- --
36
33

Bet 3

2

Won

32
18
10
10

Bet 4

20

Won

7
22
12
-- -- --
13
35
15
0
31
31

Bet 5

12

WON
New Bankroll: $1,845
New attack: $369

31
13
19
27
-- -- --
8
13
20
6
14
4
19
5
31
20
17
11
35
18
19
18
28
24
30
-- -- --
14
29
11
18
28
1
14
6
4

Bet 1

14

Won

31
3
23
22

Bet 2

3

Won

17
29
3
13
5
24
6
22
29
27

Bet 3

14

Won

6
29
1
20
-- -- --
18
30
28

Bet 4

5

Won

5

Bet 5

26

WON
New Bankroll: $2,214
New attack: $442

21
32
24
9
19
11
34
31

Bet 1

1

Won

24
16
3
9
8

Bet 2

1

Won

22
15
11
31
3
-- -- --
28
14
16

Bet 3

18

LOST
New bankroll: $1,949
New attack: $389

12
30
12
5
25
30

Bet 1

30

LOST
New Bankroll: $1,560
New attack: $312

15
4
26
36
18
-- -- --
7
36
27
26

Bet 1

26

LOST
New bankroll: $1,248
New attack: $249

7
28
25

Bet 1

36

Won

6
34
24
9
29
31
4
27
30

Bet 2

30

LOST
New: $1,048
New attack: $209

17
23
31
32

Bet 1

26

Won

16
24
18
0
3
18
13

Bet 2

27

Won

4
-- -- --
32
9
7

Bet 3

28

Won

15
15

Bet 4

35

Won

32

Bet 5

-- -- --
25

WON
New bankroll: $1,257
New attack: $251

24
30
6
16
30
20
10
18
28
5
5

Bet 1

25

Won

35
5
-- -- --
13
32
1
34
0
0
23
7
24
34
2
-- -- --
27
23
36
1
7
34
8
34
6
8
30
2
-- -- --
31
34
21
21

Bet 2

13

Won

11
29
36
29
30

Bet 3

-- -- --
17

Won

35
22
8
3
17
22
33
19
14
27
14
16

Bet 4
-- -- --
12

Won

26
18
33
18
12
7
7

Bet 4

17

Won

31
33

Bet 5

4

WON
New bankroll: $1,508
New attack: $301

21
29
16
24
15
9
24
13
25
28

Bet 1

12

Won

19
15
23
36
-- -- --
4
33
3
18
15

Bet 2

19

Won

27
29

Bet 3

12

Won

36
16
31
19
14
2
22
-- -- --
17
5
20
20

Bet 4

15

Won

23
29
14
27
27

Bet 5

-- -- --
13

WON
New bankroll: $1,809
New attack: $361

28
35
15
26
26

Bet 1

14

Won

13

Bet 2
33

Won

33

Bet 3

16

Won

21
30
21
-- -- --
9
10

Bet 4

24

Won

4
12
25
28

Bet 5

33

WON
New bankroll: $2,170
New attack: $434
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 03, 04:01 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 03:28 AM 2017
Not true. Everything evens out over the long term. So on a double 0 table you will have slightly more losses and that can matter


I won't argue on that. But for the average Joe it doesn't change nothing. Why ?  Because 99% of the players just put chips without thinking logically.


So about your double street system you just posted. You stand behind that 100% ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:03 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 03, 04:01 AM 2017

So about your double street system you just posted. You stand behind that 100% ?

No thats not the way i would pay myself  i only tried this quick yesterday to show it works  the point is that my money management works with any system in the word
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:04 AM 2017
sorry the letter on my keyboard between the K and the M doesn't work now  so sometimes autocorrect add it and sometime you wi need to add it yourself to understand my sentences !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 03, 04:10 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:03 AM 2017the point is that my money management works with any system in the word

So that's a yes.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:13 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 03, 04:10 AM 2017
So that's a yes.  :thumbsup:

With this system i have been withdrawing between 50 and 140K per month from betfair
this summer i withdrew 2300000 euros and my biggest withdraw from betfair was of 4M euros
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 03, 04:27 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:13 AM 2017
With this system i have been withdrawing between 50 and 140K per month from betfair
this summer i withdrew 2300000 euros and my biggest withdraw from betfair was of 4M euros

Wow you beat me for sure. Screenshot pls  ;)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:37 AM 2017
Why even about that you dont believe me?! Lol

here are the screenshots ... hope you can sleep tonight  ;)

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 04:52 AM 2017
Will you still be updating how you are getting on with the football bets i was interested in seeing how that went?
Nice winnings and thanks for sharing MM
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: intermax on Oct 03, 04:53 AM 2017
Steven, thanks  for your screenshots!! & the  demonstration of your system
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ozon on Oct 03, 05:14 AM 2017
Thanks  Steven for MM.
I try to think even bigger picture how to use this MM.
  Since some time I have EA on forex, this is bot.
Uses martingale progresion grid option, and hedge bets. All very dangerous, but profitable.
Creator this EA without problem, while in half year multiplied the initial capital 10 times.On real money  account.
Using this EA without a cashout plan at some time is unreasonable, because we know that during any crash will lose the initial deposit.
By using your MM we have a clear plan as to how to manage the resources.
Soon I will test for  some timeon Demo and see how it earns.
But if it is proven, the possibilities are not limited, no problem with the liquidity of the market.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 03, 05:18 AM 2017
I said I would remain silent, but what a load of bollocks.  :xd:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:33 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 03, 05:18 AM 2017
I said I would remain silent, but what a load of bollocks.  :xd:

Let me guess ...
I photoshopped my screenshots ?
I altered the random sequence that was given to me by one of you to do the simulation?
I hypnotised the ones who believe in my system ?

Why don’t ou tell me what I did this time to be called a liar and scammer and a baiter ?

You stupid retard.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 03, 05:44 AM 2017
1) yes and no
2) no, you got lucky
3) no, they hypnotise themselves
4) Apparently I'm a stupid retard, which, lucky for you I have no problem with.

BTW, you need a positive edge for your outdated MM to work long term.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:46 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 03, 05:44 AM 2017
1) yes and no
2) no, you got lucky
3) no, they hypnotise themselves
4) Apparently I'm a stupid retard, which, lucky for you I have no problem with.


Hahah I photoshopped the screenshots ! Funny. You just made a fool of yourself in public now. Wait, are you Madi with a different name ? Oh my god how much I hate Madi. Just thinking about his name makes me cringe
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 03, 05:50 AM 2017
you can't afford photoshop
you can't even afford a new keyboard, lol.

Summer profit 2,300,000 eur and my keyboard is half broke  :xd:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:53 AM 2017
I hope I won’t be blamed for not wanting to share all my good stuff with you guys. When you see the stupidity level of this forum. No matter what you send their way they just never believe. They have been raped too deep by their shitty life to accept that the impossible is possible.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 03, 05:59 AM 2017
so we're saying goodbye then?

ok, so long steven1212, it's been real. :thumbsup:

pm me your postal address and I'll send you a new keyboard for free.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 06:05 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:53 AM 2017I hope I won’t be blamed for not wanting to share all my good stuff with you guys. When you see the stupidity level of this forum. No matter what you send their way they just never believe. They have been raped too deep by their shitty life to accept that the impossible is possible.
Cheerio!

missing you already  :o
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 03, 06:19 AM 2017
hey steven,

i am not sure how your bankroll droped that quckly, according to your betting scheme below, only two bets BET1 and BET2 have been played each bet is 5 chips.. you had an attack with 200 and after these two bets you went to 168.


Starting Bankroll: $1000

Attack with $200

9
3
9
4
18
12
29
28

Bet 1

2

Won

21
13
3
36
22
-- -- --
21

Bet 2

24

LOST
New bankroll: $840
New attack: $168
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 06:24 AM 2017
Does this mean no more updates with the football bets? How was it going?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 03, 06:33 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 06:24 AM 2017
Does this mean no more updates with the football bets? How was it going?

This is roulette forum. go to sport betting forum
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 06:51 AM 2017
Had no interest in what sports bets he was using as i can work out my own thanks.
Was interested to see how actual ongoing bets ,with odds that hopefully you could equate to roulette,  with this MM would pan out but thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:11 AM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Oct 03, 06:05 AM 2017
Cheerio!

missing you already  :o

I can’t believe you guys.
Why do you treat me like this?
I didn’t lie on anything. I delivered what I promised. Everyday I try to help. And you guys don’t even look at all the work I bring to you. You just criticise and make fun all day long.
Why the fuck am I even wasting my valuable time for you

Fuck You all. Il done with you. You can rot in your stupid life. I won’t spend another second trying to help here. And sorry for those who actually wanted my help. You are punished because of the stupidity of the majority.

So long ..
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:12 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 06:24 AM 2017
Does this mean no more updates with the football bets? How was it going?
4 sessions. 2 lost and 2 won. Balance is almost doubled. But there lol be no more updates.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 07:18 AM 2017
No worries thanks for sharing what you did.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:20 AM 2017
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 07:18 AM 2017
No worries thanks for sharing what you did.

No problem. I didn’t mind sharing for free. But if on top of this I’m gonna be put into question, accused and humiliated all day no thanks.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ArmitageShanks on Oct 03, 07:26 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:20 AM 2017
No problem. I didn’t mind sharing for free. But if on top of this I’m gonna be put into question, accused and humiliated all day no thanks.

Yeah i think its a shame that we couldnt see it play out and then comment.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 03, 07:31 AM 2017
The calcs are right...

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 06:19 AM 2017
hey steven,

i am not sure how your bankroll droped that quckly, according to your betting scheme below, only two bets BET1 and BET2 have been played each bet is 5 chips.. you had an attack with 200 and after these two bets you went to 168.


Starting Bankroll: $1000

Attack with $200 1000/5=200  200/5=40   1u=40

9
3
9
4
18
12
29
28

Bet 1

2

Won +1u BR=1040

21
13
3
36
22
-- -- --
21

Bet 2

24

LOST -5   BR=1040-200=840
New bankroll: $840
New attack: $168 840/5=168  168/5=33.6  1u=33
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:33 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 03, 07:31 AM 2017
The calcs are right...

Of course they are. I’m always right. But I’ll stop bothering myself to prove it to you now.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 03, 07:38 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:33 AM 2017
Of course they are. I’m always right. But I’ll stop bothering myself to prove it to you now.

What a lucky man are you :)
Lucky to have us here on forum... i appreciate your work, Steven..

And thx to psimoes for the clarification.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 03, 07:44 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 07:38 AM 2017
What a lucky man are you :)
Lucky to have us here on forum... i appreciate your work, Steven..

And thx to psimoes for the clarification.

No problem.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 03, 07:46 AM 2017
Hey Steven,

I have a crazy bet selection, it performs unbelievably very well... it consists on betting 25 straight numbers...the good thing is that you won't lose more than 3-4 in a row, and the frequency for that is really really low..
i want to use it with MM. the only thing that i need huge bankroll for this as the minimum stakes required for this is 25 chips.

below are some tests.



30 L
12 W
24 W
27 W
7  L
16 W
27 W
23 L
35 W
9  L
19 W
14 W
26 W
28 W
14 W
0  W
25 W
18 L
0  W
16 W
8  L
34 W
11 W
31 W
6  L
20 W
18 W
2  W
24 L
13 L
36 W
32 W
3  W
25 W
16 L
10 W
31 W
15 W
5  W
14 W
13 W
4  L
8  W
18 W
4  W
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 03, 07:49 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:33 AM 2017
Of course they are. I’m always right. But I’ll stop bothering myself to prove it to you now.

Well I spotted one error, where you made bet nr.4 twice, although it didn´t seem to influence the overall balance much.
And, you contradict yourself at times.

I think your main problem here is that you seem to take everything personally, but maybe that´s a cultural thing?

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 08:01 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 07:46 AM 2017
Hey Steven,

I have a crazy bet selection, it performs unbelievably very well... it consists on betting 25 straight numbers...the good thing is that you won't lose more than 3-4 in a row, and the frequency for that is really really low..
i want to use it with MM. the only thing that i need huge bankroll for this as the minimum stakes required for this is 25 chips.

below are some tests.



30 L
12 W
24 W
27 W
7  L
16 W
27 W
23 L
35 W
9  L
19 W
14 W
26 W
28 W
14 W
0  W
25 W
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16 W
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11 W
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Simple. But I’m not willing to help anymore. Sorry mate. Blame the assholes.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: 3Nine on Oct 03, 08:09 AM 2017
What did I miss here?  Was there a big reveal?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 03, 08:11 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 08:01 AM 2017

Simple. But I’m not willing to help anymore. Sorry mate. Blame the assholes.


Steven, I Believe There are here More Good People Than Bad... the majority appreciate every kind of help/idea from anyone.
so why are you taking it personally?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ignatus on Oct 03, 08:44 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:11 AM 2017I didn’t lie on anything. I delivered what I promised. Everyday I try to help. And you guys don’t even look at all the work I bring to you.

Well? There are many others here, some for years, "delivering", but they don't get any credit, ...? Not any. This is how it works, you're lucky to get all the attention you got, ...so be thankful for the responses you got, (the good and the bad one's),

Furthermore, i don't care you make 200 000 Euros with a Double Dozen bet, ? IF that would be possible we all be millionairies by now,? I don't believe it, (but that's just me), Even with all the poofs you got, (i got mine),,..
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 03, 08:55 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 03, 08:44 AM 2017
Well? There are many others here, some for years, "delivering", but they don't get any credit, ...? Not any.

Mainly coz there stuff ...... ::)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 08:59 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 03, 08:44 AM 2017
Well? There are many others here, some for years, "delivering", but they don't get any credit, ...? Not any. This is how it works, you're lucky to get all the attention you got, ...so be thankful for the responses you got, (the good and the bad one's),

Furthermore, i don't care you make 200 000 Euros with a Double Dozen bet, ? IF that would be possible we all be millionairies by now,? I don't believe it, (but that's just me), Even with all the poofs you got, (i got mine),,..

Don’t be so jealous mate. JuSt because you can’t doesn’t mean anyone can’t.
And I’ve already said it. It’s not Roulette it’s football. What makes me win is the money management formula.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 03, 09:00 AM 2017
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 03, 08:44 AM 2017
Well? There are many others here, some for years, "delivering", but they don't get any credit, ...? Not any. This is how it works, you're lucky to get all the attention you got, ...so be thankful for the responses you got, (the good and the bad one's),

Furthermore, i don't care you make 200 000 Euros with a Double Dozen bet, ? IF that would be possible we all be millionairies by now,? I don't believe it, (but that's just me), Even with all the poofs you got, (i got mine),,..

Out of 1000 players, 750 may be consistent losers, 200 short term winners,  40 consistent winners, and 10 millionairies.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 12:43 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 09:00 AM 2017
Out of 1000 players, 750 may be consistent losers, 200 short term winners,  40 consistent winners, and 10 millionairies.

Wanna see how you become the 1% millionaire ? 100% hit rate. Boooom 8)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: 777 on Oct 03, 02:00 PM 2017
what is the average odds you pick for your sessions? is it 1,05-1,1? are you betting on over 0,5 goals? just curious to see how a professional plays it. I have always heard to keep away from the favorites :)

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: ati on Oct 03, 04:41 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:11 AM 2017
I can’t believe you guys.
Why do you treat me like this?
I didn’t lie on anything. I delivered what I promised. Everyday I try to help. And you guys don’t even look at all the work I bring to you. You just criticise and make fun all day long.
Why the f*** am I even wasting my valuable time for you

f*** You all. Il done with you. You can rot in your stupid life. I won’t spend another second trying to help here. And sorry for those who actually wanted my help. You are punished because of the stupidity of the majority.

So long ..
You make it hard to believe all that you claim. The first problem was that you sort of wanted everyone to kneel before you and kiss your feet before you shared your great secret. You seem to get angry very quickly, and I think that's not a something a successful gamler does.
The money management you shared is basically dividing the bankroll and lowering the bet size when you are losing, and raising it when you are winning. Has this never been tried before?
I do not say that it would not work, because I cannot prove it. A mathematician could prove if it works or not with an equation, or a coder could prove it with a simulation. Unfortunately i'm neither of the two, so I remain just a sceptical.
The screenshots you posted look awesome, but too extreme to believe. There can always be questions, like why did you have to deposit lots of small amounts when you supposedly had millions on your account? Don't tell me it's for the $100 deposit bonus :) Also, if you are such a high roller, why were you so proud of depositing and winning 200 or whatever euros just a week ago?
I can already feel that you are angry at me for being ungrateful, but I'm not attacking you, just showing you why I am and some others are sceptical about all this.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:44 PM 2017
Quote from: ati on Oct 03, 04:41 PM 2017
You make it hard to believe all that you claim. The first problem was that you sort of wanted everyone to kneel before you and kiss your feet before you shared your great secret. You seem to get angry very quickly, and I think that's not a something a successful gamler does.
The money management you shared is basically dividing the bankroll and lowering the bet size when you are losing, and raising it when you are winning. Has this never been tried before?
I do not say that it would not work, because I cannot prove it. A mathematician could prove if it works or not with an equation, or a coder could prove it with a simulation. Unfortunately i'm neither of the two, so I remain just a sceptical.
The screenshots you posted look awesome, but too extreme to believe. There can always be questions, like why did you have to deposit lots of small amounts when you supposedly had millions on your account? Don't tell me it's for the $100 deposit bonus :) Also, if you are such a high roller, why were you so proud of depositing and winning 200 or whatever euros just a week ago?
I can already feel that you are angry at me for being ungrateful, but I'm not attacking you, just showing you why I am and some others are sceptical about all this.

I dont ask anyone to kneel. I asked to not be judged before im given a chance to prove myself.
Im not angry. What small amounts for deposits are you talking about?
The 200 was just a test to try out a new broker. I wasn't sure about it. Did u want me to risk 2K or 20K instead of 200 just because Im rich and I can ?I value my money. the only place I believe in is Betfair.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 03, 04:54 PM 2017
I dunno, but supposing what you claim is true, that means you are already millionaire!
why you waste your time here ? why not enjoy your time ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:57 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 04:54 PM 2017
I dunno, but supposing what you claim is true, that means you are already millionaire!
why you waste your time here ? why not enjoy your time ?

Its important to not rest on your laurels. to keep the mind thinking. to never take anything for granted and always strive for perfection.
Check out my Instagram and you will see if I dont enjoy my time. Every week im somewhere else in the world
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 05:09 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 07:11 AM 2017
I can’t believe you guys.
Why do you treat me like this?
I didn’t lie on anything. I delivered what I promised. Everyday I try to help. And you guys don’t even look at all the work I bring to you. You just criticise and make fun all day long.
Why the f*** am I even wasting my valuable time for you

f*** You all. Il done with you. You can rot in your stupid life. I won’t spend another second trying to help here. And sorry for those who actually wanted my help. You are punished because of the stupidity of the majority.

So long ..

I have put you on Moderated, some reasons being for baiting all the time, some for leading people up the garden path, mostly for the above and acting on a "report to Moderator" complaint

If its "none of the above" I will let the post in
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 05:14 PM 2017
No, I wouldnt do that to myself and dont call me Dude

Thats a good example of what wont be approved
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 05:18 PM 2017
Not if you are banned, no, you wont be able to say that.

Try one more, or be civil.

Your choice
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:19 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Oct 03, 05:18 PM 2017
Not if you are banned, no, you wont be able to say that.

Try one more, or be civil.

Your choice


Is there a way to permanently delete my account?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 05:20 PM 2017
no, I can ban you on your request though
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:21 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Oct 03, 05:20 PM 2017
no, I can ban you on your request though

Yes please I would like too be banned. I would also like you to suck my big black c*** you little prostitue.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 05:25 PM 2017
Can the real Stephen please stand up...lol

Oh he just did
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 03, 05:28 PM 2017
Things got out of control here...lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: strato1985 on Oct 03, 06:14 PM 2017
Not sure, but I think I just come back to the forum to read the arguments.

Where did it all go so wrong lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 03, 06:25 PM 2017
The constant need of praise and apology was a tell tale sign this guy was crazy.

Damn French.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 03, 06:57 PM 2017
MM mostly seek to preserve capital during increased negative volatility.

Basic requirement still is betselection with positive net outcome.

The fastest way to accurately test system bets is by simulation.

Unfortunately, this is what most people don't do, they express their opinion based on short term experience or their gut.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Oct 03, 06:58 PM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:19 PM 2017

Is there a way to permanently delete my account?



Just letting you know that I am one of those members who appreciated your coming back to this forum after a two year hiatus and sharing your interesting MM idea with us.

Your method has a lot of potential, though I think it might be more amenable and better suited to certain bet selections than others.

I hope cooler heads will prevail on both sides (your side and your detractors' side) and you keep posting your betting-related (both roulette and soccer) thoughts here.

Thanks again for your interesting MM-related contributions so far.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 07:03 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 03, 06:25 PM 2017

Damn French.

Its all about Agincourt
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Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 03, 07:13 PM 2017
In a negative expectation game, is there this possibility that there's mechanical betselection with positive net outcome ?

The only way to accurately answer this question is to simulate the betselection over large sample size.

Eventhough the result is net positive, it has to be practical to make it viable, that's the hard part.

In summary, the primary focus should be and always is on betselection.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 03, 07:14 PM 2017
Do we really believe that MM, Stoploss, and all the other post/pre betting strategies make any difference to a negative expectation game?

If we have the right bet selection then why do we have to manage money?. Surely the money will print its self flat bet

Progressions are an admission that the betselection doesnt work.

If we dont have the right bet selection, i.e. one that changes the odds, how can MM change the unfair payout?.

I already asked this and I dont expect a real answer the second time, let alone the first.....apart from CHT. He seems to have things in perspective

Some loonie comes in here and promises a new sticking plaster that sticks better than any other and everyone flocks round and believes it.

I dont get it
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 03, 07:23 PM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Oct 03, 07:14 PM 2017
Do we really believe that MM, Stoploss, and all the other post/pre betting strategies make any difference to a negative expectation game?

If we have the right bet selection then why do we have to manage money?. Surely the money will print its self flat bet

Progressions are an admission that the betselection doesnt work.

If we dont have the right bet selection, i.e. one that changes the odds, how can MM change the unfair payout?.

I already asked this and I dont expect a real answer the second time, let alone the first.

Some loonie comes in here and promises a new sticking plaster that sticks better than any other and everyone flocks round and believes it.

I dont get it
Betselection with positive net outcome still faces periods of negative volatile variance.

This requirement of MM is more for betselection whose expected variance is large.

Where the betselection does not show significant variance no matter how volatile the spin sequence, then MM is not required.

MM does not change the odds, neither does it change a net negative outcome betselection, it will lose eventually.

I noticed that there's this overwhelming opinion that net positive betselection does not exist and rightly so.

My question to you is -

Why then do you continue to gamble since you already know that you will lose eventually ?
Why hand over your hard earned money to the casino ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Oct 03, 07:29 PM 2017
Why after his depart? No one stand against him when he was here. When everyone knows very well that only mm cant take u to the pick. And some people seems to me never seen mm. Try lankys divisor or retirement stalking plan. A modified version can stand 80 loses back to back while his one cant even stand 30 loses in a row
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Oct 03, 07:34 PM 2017
Its not a big issue that his system doesnt work the issue  was he asked people to knee down infront of him and beg for his system and apologize.while it is not even worth to try.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: celescliff on Oct 03, 07:51 PM 2017
If anyone wants to try this one out for themselves, I coded the Line bet he did a couple of pages ago, with the MM he uses in the example.

It works when it works, but most of the time it goes up and down, up and further down and so on.


system "StevenMMLine"

method "main"
begin
    While Starting a New Session
    begin
       call "init"
    end

    While on Each Spin
    begin
       put 100% of bankroll to record "starting bankroll" data
       track last Street patterns for 2 spins to record "patterns" layout
    end
   
    call "bet"

    call "win/lost"

    if record "wins" data = 5
    begin
        call "init"
    end
end

method "win/lost"
begin
    if any line bet has won each time
    begin
        add 1 to record "wins" data
        return
    end
    if any line bet has lost each time
    begin
        call "init"
    end
end

method "bet"
begin
    // line 1-6
    If List[Street(1-3), Street(1-3)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List[Street(1-3), Street(4-6)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List[Street(4-6), Street(4-6)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List[Street(4-6), Street(1-3)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 7-12
    If List [Street(7-9), Street(7-9)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(7-9), Street(10-12)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(10-12), Street(10-12)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(10-12), Street(7-9)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 13-18
    If List [Street(13-15), Street(13-15)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(13-15), Street(16-18)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(16-18), Street(16-18)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(16-18), Street(13-15)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 19-24
    If List [Street(19-21), Street(19-21)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(19-21), Street(22-24)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(22-24), Street(22-24)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(22-24), Street(19-21)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 25-30
    If List [Street(25-27), Street(25-27)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(25-27), Street(28-30)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(28-30), Street(28-30)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(28-30), Street(25-27)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 31-36
    If List [Street(31-33), Street(31-33)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
    If List [Street(31-33), Street(34-36)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
    If List [Street(34-36), Street(34-36)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
    If List [Street(34-36), Street(31-33)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
   
end

method "init"
begin
        put 0 on record "wins" data
        put 0 on record "lost" data
        put 0 on record "bet/line" data
        put 100% of bankroll to record "starting bankroll" data
        divide 5 record "starting bankroll" Data
        put 100% of record "starting bankroll" data to record "attack" data
        divide 5 record "attack" data
        put 100% of record "attack" data to record "bet/line" data
        multiply 5 to record "attack" data
        put 100% of record "attack" data to record "attack" data
        multiply 5 to Record "starting bankroll" Data
        put 100% of record "starting bankroll" data Record "starting bankroll" data
end



Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Rewster88 on Oct 03, 08:13 PM 2017
almost correct, the bet should not increase direcly after a win but first hit the target of 5 wins (betting 5 ds) So needs to win 5 times before its recalculated. Also after a loss it keeps betting this same DS , i think its better to reset and find a new DS.

Tnx alot!

R
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 03, 08:32 PM 2017
Quote from: strato1985 on Oct 03, 06:14 PM 2017
Not sure, but I think I just come back to the forum to read the arguments.

Where did it all go so wrong lol

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 03, 08:37 PM 2017
Jim Carrey used to be my idol and favorite actor

Watch his recent interviews

Hes lost it. he’s also deleted his funny website

He had some sort of spiritual awakening

From the research I’ve done he has all the markings of a DMT trip
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: celescliff on Oct 04, 12:44 AM 2017
Quote from: Rewster88 on Oct 03, 08:13 PM 2017
almost correct, the bet should not increase direcly after a win but first hit the target of 5 wins (betting 5 ds) So needs to win 5 times before its recalculated. Also after a loss it keeps betting this same DS , i think its better to reset and find a new DS.

Tnx alot!

R

Thanks but the code should recalculate after five wins and when i looked at the example he gave, it doesent appear he's betting on the same line after a loss.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: celescliff on Oct 04, 01:31 AM 2017
The code was just a demonstration of how the mm would work out though.  The bs is crap.

I think the mm is quite good though.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 02:20 AM 2017
IMPO if one talks about The Math, (not simple arithmetics), negative expectation, standard deviation, independence of outcomes and all that, then there can not even be such a thing as "Bet Selection"! At that level of reasoning, it is as meaningless as MM is pointless. Mechanical BS has no edge.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Turner on Oct 04, 02:36 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 03, 07:23 PM 2017Why then do you continue to gamble since you already know that you will lose eventually ?
Why hand over your hard earned money to the casino ?
I dont. I did when I didnt get it. I get it now
Its a game. The game of roulette.
I go to the casino with the wife and risk no more than £40. We go for a curry and eat no more than £40. We go to a pub and drink no more than £40.
Its my "take it or leave it" amount of money.
I try to play in a way that keeps me in the game (theres that word again...game) for a few hours. I often do ok. I often do wonderfully. I sometimes lose but never before I was ready to leave anyhow.

Too many people throw their life and earnings into Roulette without knowing anything about the maths.
I get it. Thats why I enjoy it
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: celescliff on Oct 04, 02:48 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 02:20 AM 2017
IMPO if one talks about The Math, (not simple arithmetics), negative expectation, standard deviation, independence of outcomes and all that, then there can not even be such a thing as "Bet Selection"! At that level of reasoning, it is as meaningless as MM is pointless. Mechanical BS has no edge.

And I agree. I stated before that mm is virtualy useless. When he claim that he withdrew 50-140k using this system, i didnt see a reason not to code the system that took less than an hour for fun.

He lied.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 03:03 AM 2017
Didn´t Latourrette Steven mention he used the MM for football only? He was/is convinced his MM would work with roulette as well. He might have an edge in football betting, but roulette is different...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 03:07 AM 2017
Quote from: Turner on Oct 04, 02:36 AM 2017
I dont. I did when I didnt get it. I get it now
Its a game. The game of roulette.
I go to the casino with the wife and risk no more than £40. We go for a curry and eat no more than £40. We go to a pub and drink no more than £40.
Its my "take it or leave it" amount of money.
I try to play in a way that keeps me in the game (theres that word again...game) for a few hours. I often do ok. I often do wonderfully. I sometimes lose but never before I was ready to leave anyhow.

Too many people throw their life and earnings into Roulette without knowing anything about the maths.
I get it. Thats why I enjoy it
The questions were not directed at you personally but the rhetorical you as in everybody.

I don't wish to offend and other people on the forum but almost ALL system bet posted fail, they don't have net positive edge.

On this thread I posted an excel sheet of Atlantis ADD system. I knew it failed when I coded it a while back. My purpose is to show to people with proper code simulation, you will see for yourself that it fails.

Again I'm not taking a knock on this particular system but this applies to ALL systems posted on this forum, that's the truth.

Simple reason, roulette is a negative expectation game, with unfair payout.

You can accept this math truth or you can waste your money, time and life thinking otherwise. Your choice.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: celescliff on Oct 04, 03:14 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 03:03 AM 2017
Didn´t Latourrette Steven mention he used the MM for football only? He was/is convinced his MM would work with roulette as well. He might have an edge in football betting, but roulette is different...

Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 04:13 AM 2017
With this system i have been withdrawing between 50 and 140K per month from betfair
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 03:22 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 02:20 AM 2017
IMPO if one talks about The Math, (not simple arithmetics), negative expectation, standard deviation, independence of outcomes and all that, then there can not even be such a thing as "Bet Selection"! At that level of reasoning, it is as meaningless as MM is pointless. Mechanical BS has no edge.
There's only a very, very tiny exception to this universal truth.

If the probability of something happening in the future is high enough that can overcome the unfavourable odds.

That's like searching a needle in the haystack for some probability which is proven by extensive simulation that it does overcome the odds. This condition must be universal, meaning it works the same at all wheels.

Now tell me what it takes to achieve such a finding ?

This will need someone who is competent in math/stats to properly validate the model, a quant interested to crack this roulette negative expectation game who is willing to spend effort and time to devise new frontier math model whose purpose is for intellectual conquest more than mere monetary gains - not the normal me and you.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 03:26 AM 2017
Lol. What'happening here?
Did you fight with Steven ? I find this guy cool... he is damn fucking sure that his method wins, why doesn't he then play roulette ? Apparently he likes this game, otherwise he wouldn't stay logged in all the time.

Roulette is a fucked devil game .
Without good bet selection you can't win, sure MM is important but it won't work without good prediction.


Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 03:36 AM 2017
Negative this...negative that....

Did everyone forgot how TG showed how the HE was gone ? 37 people walk into a casino. Each have their own number.

Method 1: they all start betting from spin 1 non stop. The outcome : they lost as a group exactly at the HE

Method 2 : they only start to bet once their number showed. The outcome : The HE was gone. They break even as a group.

Think about that !!!!
:girl_to:

FLATBET
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 03:39 AM 2017
Quote from: steven1212 on Oct 03, 05:21 PM 2017
suck my big black c*** you little prostitue.

Lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 03:54 AM 2017
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.

Albert Einstein.



Roulette is chaotic game, so beat it with the Chaos theory
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:01 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 04, 03:22 AM 2017
There's only a very, very tiny exception to this universal truth.

If the probability of something happening in the future is high enough that can overcome the unfavourable odds.

That's like searching a needle in the haystack for some probability which is proven by extensive simulation that it does overcome the odds. This condition must be universal, meaning it works the same at all wheels.

Now tell me what it takes to achieve such a finding ?

This will need someone who is competent in math/stats to properly validate the model, a quant interested to crack this roulette negative expectation game who is willing to spend effort and time to devise new frontier math model whose purpose is for intellectual conquest more than mere monetary gains - not the normal me and you.
Unless there is some kind of Advantage Play involved, I can´t agree with that.  The probablities, like the odds in Roulette, never change. Nothing is "due". Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Madi on Oct 04, 04:04 AM 2017
@denzie
If u lose a Session  whats ur maximum drawdown using $25 chip as minimum.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 04:12 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:01 AM 2017
Unless there is some kind of Advantage Play involved, I can´t agree with that.  The probablities, like the odds in Roulette, never change. Nothing is "due". Unfortunately.
I can accept your perspective, I respect that.

Unless there's actual proof on either side of the divide, nothing is certain. Fact is in the absence of proof everything else is speculation.

The only certainty is on which side of the divide do each one of us stand. That guides our thoughts, mindset, beliefs, actions...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 04:22 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:01 AM 2017
Unless there is some kind of Advantage Play involved, I can´t agree with that.  The probablities, like the odds in Roulette, never change. Nothing is "due". Unfortunately.


WRONG!!!!!!!

There is one thing for sure is gonna happen :

After x number of spins, the wheel will be saturated... what does that mean ?

That means simply every number will reach the 33,33% percentage.
Every dozen will reach the 33,3% percentage.
Every column will reach the 33,3% hit percentage.

You know what we should do ?
We should know what is the Minimum amount of spins needed for this phenomenon to occur and then exploit it. You got it ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:38 AM 2017
CHT,

I personally draw a line between "serious" Roulette and "fun" Roulette. Now I only play for fun, with play money. Sometimes I shift the line towards serious mode to back up my fun play with a little math. In the end it´s still fun mode, doesn´t get any more serious just because. There´s no positive expectation.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:46 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 04:22 AM 2017

WRONG!!!!!!!

There is one thing for sure is gonna happen :

After x number of spins, the wheel will be saturated... what does that mean ?

That means simply every number will reach the 33,33% percentage.
Every dozen will reach the 33,3% percentage.
Every column will reach the 33,3% hit percentage.

You know what we should do ?
We should know what is the Minimum amount of spins needed for this phenomenon to occur and then exploit it. You got it ?
Good luck with that.
No matter what thoughts and efforts one puts into the game, it always boils down to this: it´s 37 numbers, but each time you win they pay you 36. It´s the ultimate truth. Rarely one sees its real implications when still in plus...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 04:54 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:38 AM 2017
CHT,

I personally draw a line between "serious" Roulette and "fun" Roulette. Now I only play for fun, with play money. Sometimes I shift the line towards serious mode to back up my fun play with a little math. In the end it´s still fun mode, doesn´t get any more serious just because. There´s no positive expectation.
On my side, the last time I played serious roulette was a decade ago, I lost serious money(6digits) on system bets just like the ones posted on this forum, I was stupid and stubborn then. I don't play fun mode.

I came back to look at roulette for serious play from the time I joined this forum ie. May

During this time, I have not played any real money except for test purpose because I haven't establish with confidence that the systems I tested have positive expectation.

In the plenty that I've tested so far, all fail eventually with the exception of 2 whose test is still on-going, meaning the results still hold up till now. Atm I don't know if either will eventually confirm net positive that might lead to serious money play. There are practical issues to deal with. It may likely come to nought and that's no surprise. That will also end my current efforts.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 04:57 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:46 AM 2017

No matter what thoughts and efforts one puts into the game, it always boils down to this: it´s 37 numbers, but each time you win they pay you 36. It´s the ultimate truth. Rarely one sees its real implications when still in plus...

Method 2.... look above !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 04:59 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 04:22 AM 2017

WRONG!!!!!!!

There is one thing for sure is gonna happen :

After x number of spins, the wheel will be saturated... what does that mean ?

That means simply every number will reach the 33,33% percentage.
Every dozen will reach the 33,3% percentage.
Every column will reach the 33,3% hit percentage.

You know what we should do ?
We should know what is the Minimum amount of spins needed for this phenomenon to occur and then exploit it. You got it ?

So basically your saying it all balance in time. If one selection is behind. ..start betting it ?

Gonna need loooooots of coffee and/or partners
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 05:01 AM 2017
Quote from: Madi on Oct 04, 04:04 AM 2017
@denzie
If u lose a Session  whats ur maximum drawdown using $25 chip as minimum.
a lot  :ooh:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 04, 05:19 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 03, 08:37 PM 2017Jim Carrey used to be my idol and favorite actor

Might as well salvage something from this thread, so what is your favourite Jim Carrey movie, RG, anyone?

I like them all, but if I was pressed to choose a favourite it would be, Man On The Moon.

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 05:19 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 03:36 AM 2017
Negative this...negative that....

Did everyone forgot how TG showed how the HE was gone ? 37 people walk into a casino. Each have their own number.

Method 1: they all start betting from spin 1 non stop. The outcome : they lost as a group exactly at the HE

Method 2 : they only start to bet once their number showed. The outcome : The HE was gone. They break even as a group.

Think about that !!!!
:girl_to:

FLATBET

Actually nothing changes at all.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 05:22 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 04, 03:22 AM 2017
There's only a very, very tiny exception to this universal truth.

If the probability of something happening in the future is high enough that can overcome the unfavourable odds.

That's like searching a needle in the haystack for some probability which is proven by extensive simulation that it does overcome the odds. This condition must be universal, meaning it works the same at all wheels.

Now tell me what it takes to achieve such a finding ?

This will need someone who is competent in math/stats to properly validate the model, a quant interested to crack this roulette negative expectation game who is willing to spend effort and time to devise new frontier math model whose purpose is for intellectual conquest more than mere monetary gains - not the normal me and you.

Its actually not that complicated and many people have done it. i even explained the algorithm to find any pattern.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 05:27 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 05:22 AM 2017
Its actually not that complicated and many people have done it.
That's encouraging to know.

I'm close to do it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 05:28 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 03:54 AM 2017
Roulette is chaotic game, so beat it with the Chaos theory

chaos needs an attractor. The question is what is it?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 04, 05:33 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 05:28 AM 2017
chaos needs an attractor. The question is what is it?

luck
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 05:48 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 04, 05:33 AM 2017
luck

LOL.

How about pseudo-random?

EX:

07=7
19=1+9=10=1+0=1
23=2+3=5
and so on

Now last few outcomes:

17, 28, 05, 11, 34, 36, 28, 29, 26 equal
08, 01, 05, 02, 07, 09, 01, 02, 08 now start counting i.e. "tracking" 8+1=9, 9+5=14=5, 5+2=7 and so on gives
08, 09, 05, 07, 05, 05, 06, 08, 07 equals pseudo-random tracking.

Still doesn´t beat HE, but everyone´s free to try it.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 06:09 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 05:28 AM 2017
chaos needs an attractor. The question is what is it?

Steve, the attractor is the pattern..
If you plot the system's behavior in a graph over an extending period you might see the patterns that are not obvious in the short term.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 04, 06:19 AM 2017
 as far as playing roulette goes pseudo random is just random with a silly word in front of it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 06:47 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 04, 06:19 AM 2017
as far as playing roulette goes pseudo random is just random with a silly word in front of it.

Wrongggg!

Chaotic processes "spins" are not random, they follow rules, but even simple rules can produce extreme complexity, this blend of simplicity and unpredicabilty also occurs in roulette
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 06:58 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 04, 06:19 AM 2017
as far as playing roulette goes pseudo random is just random with a silly word in front of it.

Harsh. Are you the General?

It´s still based on past spins, so it´s useless. I´ll give you that.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 04, 07:12 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 04, 04:01 AM 2017Nothing is "due". Unfortunately.
Wrong when you start you now know the starting 37#'s are DUE, you have to learn how they come.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 07:16 AM 2017
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 04, 07:12 AM 2017
Wrong when you start you now know the starting 37#'s are DUE, you have to learn how they come.

Yep !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 07:22 AM 2017
I have an idea ...

let's say we can afford a 10 progressions on 18 numbers ...

Great, why don't we search for a combination of x events which have a very low probability to occur, say a sequence of x events, example :  REd-black-black-red-black-red-black-black

We take this sequence and bet the opposite of it, we only lose if it repeats.


Black red is stupid example but can be extended to any other event


One can slice the wheel in x parts and then search for a sequence which least showing up ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 07:27 AM 2017
I don´t mind the mechanical methods not winning all the time. The problem is in making the wins happenning at regular intervals.
So, we have chaos vs order. If ordered betting over chaotic spins produces an LW at random intervals, does that mean if we make chaotic bets it´ll produce ordered LWs? Nope, for that to happen, the outcomes ought to be non random. Chaos wins.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 07:39 AM 2017
Players eventually lose because their system doesnt work. Because it doesnt change the odds. Because they dont know how to, or dont care to learn.

The required information is easy to find. Its mostly just being ignored. Or badly misunderstood. When misunderstood, theres usually no real effort or care to understand. Players go in circles.

You dont need to be a roulette guru to see the blatant mistakes players make. Anyone with reasonable understanding can see it.

You can progress a lot quicker by trying to understand what others know, why they know it, and how ypu can validate it yourself.

Its like learning to write english. You can try to figure out what all the letters mean, or just learn from someone who knows. One approach is reasonable, the other just wastes time.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 07:47 AM 2017
i wonder if it was all spellled put in a way so blatant it cant be ignored, would people change their approaches??

Thing is it has been done, many times. And still ignored.

Seriously when i was a newbie, i didnt really care for the math or logic. I just wanted it to work how i wanted. Wanting didnt change reality, and i wasted years. But eventually i put aside what i wanted, and learned and accepted the truth as it.

ignoring the truth generally doesnt end well.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 07:49 AM 2017
can anyone specify where steven1212 revealed his big secret? I cant seem to find it.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 07:56 AM 2017
Here´s an example: First LW is from betting 4 streets, second LW from betting 8 streets, third LW from betting single columns. Notice how the Ws happen as randomly as with any other method.


Tisch:                       Tisch 1
Datum:               2017-10-03

********* Gewinnzahlen ********
N  Z  R
6          6
2        L 8 W L
       5  L 4 W W
      34  L 2 W W
       1  W 2 L L
11        W 4 L W
2        L 6 W L
29        L 8 W L
2        L 1 W W
       3  W 4 L L
       7  L 2 W W
       3  W 5 L L
35        L 4 W W
2        L 6 W L
    0     L 6 L L
10        L 7 W L
15        L 4 W L
29        L 6 W L
       7  L 4 W L
      19  L 5 W W
13        W 9 L L
24        L 6 W W
      16  L 4 W L
      25  L 2 W W
-- -- -- 
    0     L 2 L L
      21  W 5 L L
      16  L 3 W L
28        W 4 L L
       1  L 5 W W
8        L 4 W W
      34  L 2 W W
      30  W 5 L L
35        L 4 W W
      32  W 9 L L
8        W 8 L L
       7  W 6 L L
      21  L 9 W W
31        L 4 W L
      30  L 7 W L
      23  L 3 W L
22        L 7 W L
      12  L 1 W L
20        W 3 L L
      18  L 3 W W
      25  L 1 W L
2        W 3 L L
24        L 9 W W
      19  L 1 W L
35        L 9 W L
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 08:04 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 07:49 AM 2017
can anyone specify where steven1212 revealed his big secret? I cant seem to find it.

It´s on page 53
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 08:24 AM 2017
thanks, i read it now. unfortunately i cant see anything in it that would assist long term or sustained profit. But at least he took the time and effort to share. he at least deserves credit for sharing.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 08:26 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 08:24 AM 2017
thanks, i read it now. unfortunately i cant see anything in it that would assist long term or sustained profit. But at least he took the time and effort to share. he at least deserves credit for sharing.
I agree.

He uses his MM to good effect with his football bets which he demonstrated has net positive edge.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 08:29 AM 2017
Hi,
Out of curiosity I have made a simple test in excel on random numbers single zero.
The bet is fixed on 5 lines except the numbers 0-6 and starts after 2vW.
If we get a loss within 5 attempts, we wait for the next trigger.
The Total BR is set to 1000 and divided in 5 banks of each 200.
The bet therefor is 40

Please take a look and let me know if anything is missing.

Bob
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 08:42 AM 2017
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 08:29 AM 2017
Hi,
Out of curiosity I have made a simple test in excel on random numbers single zero.
The bet is fixed on 5 lines except the numbers 0-6 and starts after 2vW.
If we get a loss within 5 attempts, we wait for the next trigger.
The Total BR is set to 1000 and divided in 5 banks of each 200.
The bet therefor is 40

Please take a look and let me know if anything is missing.

Bob
Break them up into 1000spins each session. Be the casino to book your bets, meaning bet opposite of what you do now. If the result is one-sided ie. it consistently lose or win over 50K spins you might have a winnable bet. ;)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 08:44 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 04, 08:42 AM 2017
Break them up into 1000spins each session. Be the casino to book your bets, meaning bet opposite of what you do now. If the result is one-sided ie. it consistently loses or win over 50K spins you might have a winnable bet. ;)


Oh my shit !
You started with a bankroll 1000 and left with 1,6

What a losing strategdy !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 08:50 AM 2017
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 08:29 AM 2017
Hi,
Out of curiosity I have made a simple test in excel on random numbers single zero.
The bet is fixed on 5 lines except the numbers 0-6 and starts after 2vW.
If we get a loss within 5 attempts, we wait for the next trigger.
The Total BR is set to 1000 and divided in 5 banks of each 200.
The bet therefor is 40

Please take a look and let me know if anything is missing.

Bob

After a loss within 5 spins, the first bank of 200 is lost. According to Steven´s rules, the previous winnings must be added to what´s left of the BR. In your test you started with 1000, had a W (1000+40), which was immediately followed by a L. BR now is 1040-200. Now you divide the 840 by 5 banks.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 08:55 AM 2017
psimoes,
yes you are correct, the new unitsize is calculated this way, adding the earlier wins of a loser cycle to the total net to get the /5 calculation again for the nextcoming bet.
If we reset everything once a bank of 200 unit is won, things dont get that ugly anymore....
But overall, it will not yield enough, not even to break even long term.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 09:13 AM 2017
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 08:55 AM 2017
psimoes,
yes you are correct, the new unitsize is calculated this way, adding the earlier wins of a loser cycle to the total net to get the /5 calculation again for the nextcoming bet.
If we reset everything once a bank of 200 unit is won, things dont get that ugly anymore....

Dear Bob

Would you mind correcting the excel and reuploading it?

Thx
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: psimoes on Oct 04, 09:15 AM 2017
And some will argue you can´t win against RNG...

Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 09:20 AM 2017
Bet opposite on no zero roulette. Stop the session whichever hit 1st, 1. Br >=+1900 or 2. br =0

How about that ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 09:20 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 09:13 AM 2017
Dear Bob

Would you mind correcting the excel and reuploading it?

Thx

The calculation for bets is correct as Psimoes stated and its already doing this in the excel.
I did not reset anything once a bank is won (Just like Steve did in his 300 spins test)
only to see how it evolves on long term.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 11:07 AM 2017
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 09:20 AM 2017
The calculation for bets is correct as Psimoes stated and its already doing this in the excel.
I did not reset anything once a bank is won (Just like Steve did in his 300 spins test)
only to see how it evolves on long term.

Can we beat this fucking wheel ?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 11:26 AM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 11:07 AM 2017
Can we beat this f****** wheel ?
If I told you we can, would you believe ?  :lol:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 04, 11:34 AM 2017
We would love to hear how...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 11:47 AM 2017
It's missing one thing!

I have a secret! But you need to deserve it!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 11:52 AM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Oct 04, 11:34 AM 2017
We would love to hear how...
I don't mind sharing tips how I do it. I already posted it earlier but people don't read.

There're 2 approaches to beat the wheel -
1. Predict the future spin(s) - that's the hard way, or

2. Look of system bet that fails consistently , invert the bet - that's the easy way

Here's the easy way, bet like the casino.

Remember, Atlantis ADD, I posted the excel sheet. Atlantis posted that it failed bad in his 9sessions attempt.

Now, take a hard look at that excel sheet again, with applying proper delimiters, invert the bet to FDD you have a winnable bet.

Don't take my word for it test it to convince yourself. If you're looking for betselection start with this simple doz bet, once you get to think like the casino, you know what to look for in the model.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 12:23 PM 2017
You won't believe me, would you ?

Every time you make the choice to place a bet, the casino takes an exact opposite bet.

You do all the thinking about when to bet, what to bet, where to bet, how much to bet. The casino simply reciprocates by taking the exact opposite bet without fail.

Who do you think wins given all the right of choice belongs to you ?
Have you ever wondered why is this so ?
Is this solely due to this unfair payout alone ?

Give it a thought.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 12:45 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 04, 12:23 PM 2017
You won't believe me, would you ?

Every time you make the choice to place a bet, the casino takes an exact opposite bet.

You do all the thinking about when to bet, what to bet, where to bet, how much to bet. The casino simply reciprocates by taking the exact opposite bet without fail.

Who do you think wins given all the right of choice belongs to you ?
Have you ever wondered why is this so ?
Is this solely due to this unfair payout alone ?

Give it a thought.

Lol... funny isn't it ?
if we take the opposite bet of the casino, won't the casino take the opposite bet of ours ?  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 12:48 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 12:45 PM 2017
Lol... funny isn't it ?
if we take the opposite bet of the casino, won't the casino take the opposite bet of ours ?  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Lol....are we pre-destined to lose no matter what bet we make ? Some bad curse that the ball lands not on our bets? >:D
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 01:11 PM 2017
Cht,
In this type of betting you are forgetting the zero on which the casino wins. If you want to include this bet in your reverse switch, you also need to adjust your payout. It will be less resulting in a no gain again.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 01:12 PM 2017
Is there any software that predicts in which sector of roulette the ball will land?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 01:16 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 04, 12:48 PM 2017
Lol....are we pre-destined to lose no matter what bet we make ? Some bad curse that the ball lands not on our bets? >:D

Take the wheel without zero to betfair and there you and the casino can bet against each other.... maybe you can beat the casino ... but you have to the let the casino place the bet first and you bet the opposite  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 01:18 PM 2017
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 01:11 PM 2017
Cht,
In this type of betting you are forgetting the zero on which the casino wins. If you want to include this bet in your reverse switch, you also need to adjust your payout. It will be less resulting in a no gain again.
I didn't forget about the zero. My post above says bet on no zero roulette. Recalculate it if it will result in gain, IDK.

About zero, this means that the system bet chosen must be such that the zero has least impact - another important point to note.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 01:23 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 12:45 PM 2017
Lol... funny isn't it ?
if we take the opposite bet of the casino, won't the casino take the opposite bet of ours ?  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Bingo and put the unfair payout on that and we'll. ...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 01:24 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 01:12 PM 2017
Is there any software that predicts in which sector of roulette the ball will land?

Didn't you seen the annoying adds from Steve ? Talk him and he will hook you up
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 01:27 PM 2017
My guess is nobody will take a look to test the doz bet...... Lol    :lol:

Ok, I'm done here.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 01:28 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 04, 12:48 PM 2017
Lol....are we pre-destined to lose no matter what bet we make ? Some bad curse that the ball lands not on our bets? >:D

Are we ? So the unfair payouts...... Is It still unfair if we bet only few numbers? 

Give this a thought !
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 01:30 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 01:28 PM 2017
Are we ? So the unfair payouts...... Is It still unfair if we bet only few numbers? 

Give this a thought !
Aha! Few numbers, another important factor to include.....lol  :lol:

How about few hotties ?  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 01:31 PM 2017
 :sad2:

Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 05:19 AM 2017
Actually nothing changes at all.

Uhm ok. If you say so.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 01:33 PM 2017
I wonder who that (+1 hidden) is.... Steve come out , come out wherever you are  :question:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 01:35 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Oct 04, 01:30 PM 2017

How about few hotties ?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

:love:  :love:  :love:
Now stick that MM on that  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 01:52 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 01:24 PM 2017
Didn't you seen the annoying adds from Steve ? Talk him and he will hook you up

Thank you! But I mean a free one
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 04, 01:58 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 01:52 PM 2017
Thank you! But I mean a free one

It's free. So he said. Pay later when you win. Oooh I don't have any shares in that stuff btw . Lol
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 04, 02:06 PM 2017
Cht I am willing to test the double dz method you are talking about, I just need some pinpoints to start, where is your spreadsheet?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 02:13 PM 2017
beat the house with logic

HIT   FREQUENCY      TOTAL        PERC
----         ----------           ----------        ----------
HIT              7                     8            87.5
MISS           1                     8            12.5

You bet with 87% against the House's 12.5 %
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 04:07 PM 2017
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 01:11 PM 2017
Cht,
In this type of betting you are forgetting the zero on which the casino wins. If you want to include this bet in your reverse switch, you also need to adjust your payout. It will be less resulting in a no gain again.
Did I make a mistake or that's the possible result of inverse bet at no zero roulette ?

link:s://gyazo.com/7bd9aa3199d645c9ddbe12d5814bf33a
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 04:21 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 11:07 AM 2017
Can we beat this f****** wheel ?


THE ANSWER IS YESSSSS, ROULETTE IS BEATABLE
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 04:49 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 01:31 PM 2017
:sad2:

Uhm ok. If you say so.  :thumbsup:

It has nothing to do with me. I didn't design this universe. Just test properly.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 04:51 PM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 01:24 PM 2017
Didn't you seen the annoying adds from Steve ? Talk him and he will hook you up

No, I'm not referring to anything i sell. I'm referring to free information and advice I've published many times. Free pattern testing software.  Free sample techniques. Free quizzes to help and more. It's being ignored.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: iar000 on Oct 04, 04:53 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 04:21 PM 2017

THE ANSWER IS YESSSSS, ROULETTE IS BEATABLE



HOW .......... !!!!!
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 05:06 PM 2017
For some people, it's not a matter of the free advice etc being ignored. Its just not being understood.

For example how some people make incorrect statements about roulette. Then i correct them. Then they refuse to test and say I'm just trying to hide the truth because I'm selling something.  like its a big conspiracy. Refusal to do proper testing is naturally going to lead you astray.

Denzie i couldnt give a crap if anyone didn't buy my technology. You act all pissy at me because i correct you. Again all I'm saying is just test. Dont criticise me for explaining reality and suggesting you verify it for yourself. Is that reason to get all pissy? It's not my fault that reality doesn't suit you
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 05:15 PM 2017
Its unfortunate that if i explained all inaccurate comments it would just piss off most people.

Many people tend to hold onto beliefs like their lives depended on it. And they get aggressive and defensive when something or someone opposes their false beliefs.

It doesn't take a guru to understand the mistakes. It just takes basic knowledge. But the average player is so far off the mark. I was there once too. We all were.

If anyone is interested in truth rather than convenience, read my past posts.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 05:17 PM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Oct 04, 04:53 PM 2017
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 04:21 PM 2017

THE ANSWER IS YESSSSS, ROULETTE IS BEATABLE



HOW .......... !!!!!


Discipline
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 05:24 PM 2017
I think 70% of beating roulette is first overcoming the illusions and fallacies. The major ones are explained at :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy. Once you get past the ignorance, the rest is quite straight forward.

Serious players should not ignore the information. I sincerely try to help people.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: kingmaq on Oct 04, 05:35 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 05:24 PM 2017
I think 70% of beating roulette is first overcoming the illusions and fallacies. The major ones are explained at :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy. Once you get past the ignorance, the rest is quite straight forward.

Serious players should not ignore the information. I sincerely try to help people.

Physics can defeat roulette up to 100% if the wheel had no deflectors, but the random motion of the ball is going to add a lot of excitement...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 05:38 PM 2017
 actually the defectors have the opposite effect. They make spins more predictable.

But anyway if anyone doesn't like physics, then consider my thread about alternate ways. Chances are there are undiscovered ways.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 05:52 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 05:06 PM 2017
For some people, it's not a matter of the free advice etc being ignored. Its just not being understood.

For example how some people make incorrect statements about roulette. Then i correct them. Then they refuse to test and say I'm just trying to hide the truth because I'm selling something.  like its a big conspiracy. Refusal to do proper testing is naturally going to lead you astray.

Denzie i couldnt give a crap if anyone didn't buy my technology. You act all pissy at me because i correct you. Again all I'm saying is just test. Dont criticise me for explaining reality and suggesting you verify it for yourself. Is that reason to get all pissy? It's not my fault that reality doesn't suit you

Hi Steve!

Can you help me with my other thread?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 06:06 PM 2017
Could somebody take a look at my new thread?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 04, 06:18 PM 2017
Which thread exactly?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Andre Chass on Oct 04, 06:19 PM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 06:18 PM 2017
Which thread exactly?

Software strategy help
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: cht on Oct 04, 09:02 PM 2017
Quote from: foreverBOB on Oct 04, 01:11 PM 2017
Cht,
In this type of betting you are forgetting the zero on which the casino wins. If you want to include this bet in your reverse switch, you also need to adjust your payout. It will be less resulting in a no gain again.
This is a possible result played inverse bet on European single zero roulette.  :twisted:

link:s://gyazo.com/39e976477ec7af9bc7374c42ae2d49bd
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 02:39 AM 2017
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 05:06 PM 2017

Denzie i couldnt give a crap if anyone didn't buy my technology. You act all pissy at me because i correct you. Again all I'm saying is just test. Dont criticise me for explaining reality and suggesting you verify it for yourself. Is that reason to get all pissy? It's not my fault that reality doesn't suit you

Do I ? I'm sorry steveypoo  :love:
And you really don't know it all....

Ok guys and girls and crybabys.... here's a thing that works just fine....

Bet max 4 numbers. Repeaters only !
Note which the dominant diamonds are.... Do I have to explain more ?


Yes Steve I did practice VB. But just the basics though. But it is enough to beat the game. Yes I said it. Beat the game.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Taotie on Oct 05, 03:06 AM 2017
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 02:39 AM 2017Bet max 4 numbers. Repeaters only !

Repeaters over what period?

I mean the wheels I'm playing have been spinning for years so all 37 numbers are repeaters in the grand scheme of things.

...anyway, can we all get off this friggin thread?  :smile:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: denzie on Oct 05, 03:16 AM 2017
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 05, 03:06 AM 2017
Repeaters over what period?

I mean the wheels I'm playing have been spinning for years so all 37 numbers are repeaters in the grand scheme of things.

...anyway, can we all get off this friggin thread?  :smile:

Max 3 cycles. Mostly 2.
And yep time to leave it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 03:31 AM 2017
Denzi nobody knows it all. But i think i at least understand the basics. I've been working with roulette around 22 years solid. I mean literally about 80% of days in 22 years. I picked up a few things. You don't have to listen but others might want to
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 03:46 AM 2017
Also what im posting is nothing remotely advanced. I keep advanced parts to myself. its mostly just the basics eveyone should know. This basic knowledge is just taken for granted by anyone in the gaming industry. Casino staff literally laugh at the poor understanding on forums. Its really a shame. I sincerely try to help people.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: maestro on Oct 05, 03:48 AM 2017
QuoteI've been working with roulette around 22 years solid.


means nothing...people have diff learning abilities,some learn faster  some slower
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 03:50 AM 2017
it would have meaning if you knew better. What i developed isnt an overnight or half-arsed thing. It took serious funding, dedication, time and expertise from many different people.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Rewster88 on Oct 05, 03:54 AM 2017
Quote from: maestro on Oct 05, 03:48 AM 2017

means nothing...people have diff learning abilities,some learn faster  some slower

Jup, and i think using RX can skip you a few years work!

Grtz
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 03:55 AM 2017
Quote from: Rewster88 on Oct 05, 03:54 AM 2017
Jup, and i think using RX can skip you a few years work!

Grtz

Yes you can. Without automated algorithms and computers it would probably never have been achieved for my system. But first you need to understand and develop correct algorithms
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 03:57 AM 2017
i keep telling people to test your bet selection accuracy. Manual testing isnt viable. It takes far too long to test reasonable volume.

I even released free software to make it easier. Is it being used? Probably not. Instead people are still stuck on nonsense. A simple automated test can show people theyre wasting time. So why dont they want to know if theyre wasting time? Strange.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Rewster88 on Oct 05, 04:17 AM 2017
Quote from: celescliff on Oct 03, 07:51 PM 2017
If anyone wants to try this one out for themselves, I coded the Line bet he did a couple of pages ago, with the MM he uses in the example.

It works when it works, but most of the time it goes up and down, up and further down and so on.


system "StevenMMLine"

method "main"
begin
    While Starting a New Session
    begin
       call "init"
    end

    While on Each Spin
    begin
       put 100% of bankroll to record "starting bankroll" data
       track last Street patterns for 2 spins to record "patterns" layout
    end
   
    call "bet"

    call "win/lost"

    if record "wins" data = 5
    begin
        call "init"
    end
end

method "win/lost"
begin
    if any line bet has won each time
    begin
        add 1 to record "wins" data
        return
    end
    if any line bet has lost each time
    begin
        call "init"
    end
end

method "bet"
begin
    // line 1-6
    If List[Street(1-3), Street(1-3)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List[Street(1-3), Street(4-6)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List[Street(4-6), Street(4-6)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List[Street(4-6), Street(1-3)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 7-12
    If List [Street(7-9), Street(7-9)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(7-9), Street(10-12)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(10-12), Street(10-12)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(10-12), Street(7-9)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 13-18
    If List [Street(13-15), Street(13-15)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(13-15), Street(16-18)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(16-18), Street(16-18)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(16-18), Street(13-15)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 19-24
    If List [Street(19-21), Street(19-21)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(19-21), Street(22-24)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(22-24), Street(22-24)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(22-24), Street(19-21)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 25-30
    If List [Street(25-27), Street(25-27)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(25-27), Street(28-30)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(28-30), Street(28-30)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    If List [Street(28-30), Street(25-27)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(31-36)
    end
    // line 31-36
    If List [Street(31-33), Street(31-33)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
    If List [Street(31-33), Street(34-36)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
    If List [Street(34-36), Street(34-36)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
    If List [Street(34-36), Street(31-33)] has a pattern match to Record "patterns" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(1-6)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(7-12)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(13-18)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(19-24)
        put 100% of record "bet/line" data Line(25-30)
    end
   
end

method "init"
begin
        put 0 on record "wins" data
        put 0 on record "lost" data
        put 0 on record "bet/line" data
        put 100% of bankroll to record "starting bankroll" data
        divide 5 record "starting bankroll" Data
        put 100% of record "starting bankroll" data to record "attack" data
        divide 5 record "attack" data
        put 100% of record "attack" data to record "bet/line" data
        multiply 5 to record "attack" data
        put 100% of record "attack" data to record "attack" data
        multiply 5 to Record "starting bankroll" Data
        put 100% of record "starting bankroll" data Record "starting bankroll" data
end



@ celescliff

You where right it was correct. Is it also possible to make one for double dozens ( 2 virtual losses and then 1-1, 3-3, 9-9. So a 26 before recalculated). On my rx manual testings this seems to work way better!

R
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 05, 12:04 PM 2017
Rewster, could you please share the code the way you modified it?
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 05, 12:07 PM 2017
By the way,

I wonder where Falkor went...
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 12:22 PM 2017
He may have been Steve

But it looks like he used his bait here to pump up his own forum

He’s another scam artist.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: romano0327 on Oct 05, 12:33 PM 2017
lol

He would post everyday, wonder what happened? He received to much hate
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: Steve on Oct 05, 05:10 PM 2017
Quote from: romano0327 on Oct 05, 12:33 PM 2017
lol

He would post everyday, wonder what happened? He received to much hate

He's on moderation. So obvious nonsense doesn't get past moderation.
Title: Re: Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal
Post by: dontgiveup12 on May 11, 11:17 AM 2018
It makes me soooo sad that you guys still have not understood the point. I really want you all to be happy and achieve your goals.