hi first i would like to say i,m your new member,after reading this as well as other sites
i thougt it was about time i joined in some discussions. this site i have chosen above all others for my own reasons two of which are flat_no and compa i can relate to these two members. first i would like to say that i have read lots of your post some good and some bad for a long time now but too many post and systems meant i couldn,t keep up with them as much i would have liked to. secondly i do believe in flat betting and not staggering progressions,mild maybe if you know you have a system that neither wins or loses and results that are up and down are close together not too far spread.
i am a newbie in the terms of posting but not a newbie in roulette ,remember this. some members on here have the patience of a saint trying to explain the obvious. while others try to blatantly argue there way for you to reveal what they do not know. if they don,t know in their own minds it can,t be true. ?. . . . . i will tell you all now i will not be baited. . lol i will try to answer any questions ,anything i put forward you should if you want to test as i have done. no lazy ways. no stupid questions. your site needs COMMONSENSE and here i am.
RIGHT FOR THE NEXT 5 WEEKS BEFORE I GIVE YOU A NEW TOPIC TO LOOK AT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT BET SELECTIONS
first off with all the systems you have devised you need to go back to basics. We all agree that you will not get 36 individual numbers in 36 spins. COULD THIS BE YOUR BUILDING BLOCK or the stage for your bet. ? lets say perhaps that you tracked 18 individual numbers regardless of the repeats and crossed these off a roulette
board you would then see in front of you where these numbers were in the dozens and columns n6 splits squares etc. now knowing that you can bet for the next 18 spins with the realization of a lot of repeats could YOU engineer a bet to fit in this time frame. ie if you were for instance chasing or penulitive betting red or black or hi or lo would you bet on the red numbers that have already appeared?or all the numbers that have appeared in hi inside the box?YOUR engineered bet would NOT be betting all of the appearers at once but only numbers in YOUR own chosen system of play. . . . . ie if you were betting last 2 columns to appear you would only be betting on the numbers that have all ready appeared in the 2 columns, if you were betting evens you would only be betting evens that have appeared etc i think you get it now. . . . in this 18 bet time frame you will also add the new numbers that come out to your betting list. for people who like to play numbers that come out twice it does it suit you? this is a guide for BET SELECTION. this is also the way to engineer bets from ground up. your system of play will give YOU the edge. its not how many numbers you choose but how good you understand roulette. I MUST STRESS THAT IN ORDER TO GET INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS IT WILL TAKE AROUND 20 TO 25 SPINS MAYBE MORE THE 18 BET TIME FRAME HAS NO RELATION TO THIS YOU CAN MAKE IT SHORTER IF YOU WISH i hope you like my 1st post and subject for you ,i have a few more but all will come in order that i have chosen for you
You cant beat a Flat lover !
Welcome to THEE Forum :thumbsup:
WELCOME im always interested in knowledge . thankx in advance w.
thanks twister and warrior,nice to feel welcomed. especially by you warrior i look on you here as an old hat with these new systems. you have seen it all but never given up i should have put you up there with the other 2,
Thanks for sharing,
:)
Atlantis.
i like the pic or avatar hope the writing could be used like a stamp. When you talk crap and i explain and your not listening i could slap you on the head,THEN YOU COULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND EXCLAIM ALAS COMMON SENSE HAS HIT ME he was right all along lol. . . . . . just an idea
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 21, 08:55 AM 2010
I like the pic or avatar hope the writing could be used like a stamp. When you talk stuff and I explain and your not listening I could slap you on the head,THEN YOU COULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND EXCLAIM ALAS COMMON SENSE HAS HIT ME he was right all along LoL. . . . . . just an idea
Good one! :lol:
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 20, 05:09 PM 2010
RIGHT FOR THE NEXT 5 WEEKS BEFORE I GIVE YOU A NEW TOPIC TO LOOK AT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT BET SELECTIONS
Let's talk about them then!
I'm eager to reading your "CS 5-week program" for bet selections :thumbsup:
Hi commonsense and thanks for sharing with us :) I'm looking forward to the next parts.
ok now you all know i,ve a sense of humour you also need to know rng results are not and [should not at all times be entertained by any serious rouletters if you do not know why you can not learn you cannot build a system from these results,beats the hell out of me why you can,t download some from the german site. ? amazing. more amazing is systems that come out in front 10 000 spins later who the hell can sit at a table for 6 months ? to earn a few points. what has happened to the 100 x 30 sessions spins? a system should work this 100 and come out on top even a few points regulary. DO YOU NOT AGREE. . . . listen to compa.
the simplest ideas are best. COULD YOU HONESTLY sit at at a casino working out einsteins theory? then have enough time to bet probably humongous amounts to win a point?COMMONSENSE tells you that its a bit silly. mild progressions if you wish but take your losses. RECOVERY systems? if your system got you to this point why would it get you out of it? y not use the magical recovery system to win in the 1st place would this in itself be THE HOLY GRAIL? shit no. MONEY lost this way could be managed more safely. IF YOU DEVISE A SYSTEM that only wins a few units after proper time invested studying results and you have [/ftp] patience it could be a lot more rewarding the key i would say is to know when to stop. the most simplest in essence is if you are penulitive betting on an even ec. YOU KNOW THAT AFTER 100 SPINS IT COULD BUT NOT QUITE BE 45 55 END RESULT SO WOULD YOU BET THIS WAY UNTIL YOU GET A RUN ON YOUR SIDE 5 POINTS AHEAD OF THE OTHER?THEN STOP WALK AWAY. IF YOU ARE LOSING WOULD COMMON SENSE TELL YOU TO CARRY ON BECOUSE THE DIFFERENCE WOULDN,T BE THAT GREAT IF YOU LOST? IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO PROGRESS STUPENDIOUSLY ISN,T THIS BASIC RULE SAFER WITH EACH BET A MODEST WAGER?NO STOP LOSS TAKE IT AS IT IS THEN TRY AGAIN IN ANOTHER SESSION? THIS IS JUST A BASIC WAY TO THINK. THIS IS THE WAY YOU SHOULD ALL BE THINKING. now lets begin with sharing a few ideas with the 1st post and this post in mind. BARE THIS IN MIND THOUGH every thing i talk about i have properly tested most of the time on paper ,lots of times in basic abc formatt ie letters things if you take the time come clearer when you spend time on them after this then in rx manually
Thanx for the continuation, much appreciated !
Maybe think about usin Paragraphs in your post......makes it easier for ppl like me with dodgy eyesight lol :xd:
i know what you mean TWISTER my eye sight not too good either you want to see the wife lol i,ll try to paragraph in future
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 21, 12:01 PM 2010
I know what you mean TWISTER my eye sight not too good either you want to see the wife LoL i,ll try to paragraph in future
LOL :D
A3on i don,t think most of the post are scammers . I THINK SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE stop loss was invented and blown TOTALLY out of proportion and every system being made has got to have it THE STOP LOSS VIRUS probably came about to fight the infectious disease of them SUPER PROGRESSIONS flying about. . . . . . if you take a dose of mild progressions you,ll probably be cured, learn how to wean yourself off even them you,ll never be infected again.
what is your thoughts on this matter? would you dare believe in flat betting? or what about the thought of each member putting towards what they might not have before dared becouse of ridicule actual ideas from the ground up? i have a few interesting ones that will come in time but my first steps are the back to basics for any of you that are interested. NOT for my benefit but yours to start thinking a little outside your boxes you all seem to be stuck in. COMMONSENSE IS THE NAME start thinking this way and move forward we will all be surprised what we will turn up
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 21, 05:46 PM 2010
what is your thoughts on this matter?
I've the same opinion as you.
I only agree with stop loss in cases of extreme progressions (what isn't my case as I'm a flat bet fan ! )
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 21, 05:46 PM 2010
would you dare believe in flat betting?
I only believe in Flat Bet !!!
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 21, 05:46 PM 2010
or what about the thought of each member putting towards what they might not have before dared becouse of ridicule actual ideas from the ground up?
A lot of people doesn't believe in past spins to make future decisions, but I think roulette can be beaten that way (maybe I'm wrong), and I've much more hope in inside bets than in outside ones
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 21, 05:46 PM 2010
I have a few interesting ones that will come in time but my first steps are the back to basics for any of you that are interested. NOT for my benefit but yours to start thinking a little outside your boxes you all seem to be stuck in. COMMONSENSE IS THE NAME start thinking this way and move forward we will all be surprised what we will turn up
;D ;D
Can't wait for your next posts :thumbsup:
AS always people view but not comment? HOW many of you who have read these post and know the comments are true? I,M GOING TO PUT TO YOU ALL Three SHORT PARAGRAPHS as i know twister can read them better that way to help towards a reasonable bet selection or i should say towards an understanding. . . . i hope i can explain properly to you
1st is it a fallacy that ZERO messes your systems up or is in itself the house edge . . . . . it is just the same as any other number so y bet on it to cover your high bets y not on a repeated number that has a better statistical value? y even this number? they are are 37 numbers on the table is there not? GREEN has no mystical attatchment to it if you think this has then just bet it on its own when your stakes are high if you are THAT CERTAIN its coming out. the actual 37 numbers and the payout is the house edge. YOU DO NOT GET THE EQUALL ODDS DO YOU NOT?
2ND JUST TO GET YOU THINKING in the game itself do you not see the runs of reds and the runs of blacks? in these runs of colours all long and short many alternate instantly. . . . RANDOM PATTERNS. INSIDE THESE RUNS how many repeats do you get on red odd,black even,red even and black odd. . . in one go ie 27,9,3,21 etc 2,6,2,22,. . . . 11,15,33,31,. . . 12 14 18 34. . . . . so forth has any of you thought about that these repeats come out more than say black odd,black even, red odd red even? TO capture these runs safely COULD you bet all the black odd spots then bet excactly the same amount on red itself?same for any of the others. DID you know most red odd runs ends with black evens did you know that any black odd number that comes out seems to produce another odd after it?more than it should do.
3rd there is a thread on here about the game of roulette and games within the game. mini games i think he called it. he is quite right,depending on your system of play.
THEY are 9 movements on the table as a whole which is the cross reference of the dozens and columns THESE 9 movements ARE the key to a CWB. I have come across a few systems of play within this parameters that can win18 to 20 games to 10 to 12 lost flat betting. THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. you could hit the losses 1st before the wins. . . the bets themselves to give the idea are not for progression,this is not the way to go that is only for FOOLS. this post in itself is one of the biggest revelations you will see on this site. it is the first positive poster that you will see for a while and learn from.
18-20 winning games to 10-12 losing games,on a EC basis.----
--Could you reveal your secret my friend.
its not an ec basis FLAT, the last paragraph is in itself your answer...if its a cross reference on the dozens and columns it is one of these.
THERE IS NO SECRET it ,s there in front of any of you to look into it.has ANYBODY yet done this?
ITS NOT EVEN CRYPTIC LOL as i said some people have to have the patient of saints.no disrespect.
ONE OF MY AIMS IS TO SHOW YOU HOW TO THINK DIFFERENTLY AND FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE .....i can,t do this without any of you helping yourselves with at least some study...
if it will help you at least look YOU WILL FIND TRIGGERS at what you look at.
NO SECRETS FROM ME AND DEFINATLEY NO SHORTCUTS FROM ANY OF YOU
i,m not gonna put it on plate for you.
STUDY THE PARAGRAPH 3 code it in letter form as its easier to look at then lets talk.
another of my aims is to gather a team of you lock the subject for us then work together for a genuine cwb.FLAT BETTING ONLY.
I CANNOT START STRAIGHT AWAY WITH YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHTS
IF YOU WANT IN PROVE IT I,M NOT HAVING ANY TOM DICK AND HARRY JUMPING ON THE WAGGON SERIOUS PEOPLE ONLY.I,M ONLY GOING TO DO THIS ONCE ON A FORUM I,M NO SCAMMER AND I,M DEADLY SERIOUS.
SO LETS BEGIN SHOW ME WHO,S SERIOUS
ok so there are 9 groups:
A = 1,4,7,10
B = 2,5,8,11
C = 3,6,9,12
D = 13,16,19,22
E = 14,17,20,23
F = 15,18,21,24
G = 25,28,31,34
H = 26,29,32,35
I = 27,30,33,36
Are you suggesting that there are movements between these groups that can give triggers as to where to bet?
nearly, aa-ab-ac
ba-bb-bc
ca-cb-cc
DO NOT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS ,yet anyway.
YOU WILL GET ONE OF THE BASIC FLAT BETS I HAVE IF YOU LOOK AT THESE
IN DETAIL
that is on a plate for you all use your kife and forks sift through it and digest it
let me know what you find ENOUGH CLUES NOW
Hello CommonSense,
I'm sure there is a lot of interest in your thread but they aren't posting anything (Like Myself) because everything your are explaining is perfectly clear up to this point and probably agree with what you are saying.
Until you state something that is not agreed with or state something that is not understood, people are just following your every word, just like I am.
Fear not my friend, your thread is being followed by many members and are definately interested in what you have to say.....So please continue right here.
It's not polite to talk when the Teacher is teaching.
Best Regards,
Scoobie
i get ur 9 movements (or phases as i call them)
1st doz x low column = aa
1st doz x mid column = ab
1st doz x high column = ac
2nd doz x low column = ba
2nd doz x mid column = bb
2nd doz x high column = bc
3rd doz x low column = ca
3rd doz x mid column = cb
3rd doz x high column = cc
Is this matrix system of urs right then commonsense?
I play a derivitive of this matrix, but its early days for me, low BR at mo, and a real newbie on the wheels!!
But i learn real quick and interested in ANY and all ideas.
cheers chris
FLAT i don,t no who Johnnyg-Sherminator is if you think i am tHis person you are sadly mistaken.........SOMEWHERE MAYBE victor HIMSELF can confirm this with my IP ADDRESS sign up details etc..HUMBLE opinions are gladly noted THIS IS WHAT SEPERATES people stuck in there boxes to CHANGE there way of thinking.IS IT THAT YOU DO NOT COMPREHEND?
DID OR DID YOU NOT CONFIRM COMPA,S FLAT BET IN THE NUMERIS KEYS
IS THIS THE WAY YOU THINK , COMPA HAS TOLD YOU CEH WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG DID HE NOT? FLAT BETTING CWB IS A TRUE FACT IF YOU KNEW THIS BEFORE COMPA WHY ARE YOU ON HERE WITH PROGRESSION SYSTEMS
WIN3MILLION MIGHT BE A SCAM OR MIGHT NOT BE BUT THERE TRAIN OF THOUGHTS ARE SPOT ON
Iââ,¬â,,¢m not sure if this will just complicate matters, but Iââ,¬â,,¢ve coded the table as follows :
The first letter is the dozen, so A would be dozen a(col 1) or aa
aa=A
ab=B
ac=C
ba=D
bb=E
bc=F
ca=G
cb=H
cc=I
therefor A would represent aa or the numbers 1, 4, 7, 10 on the table.
Regards
Bruce
YOUR CODE IS WRONG its aa ab ac ba bb bc ca cb cc that is the only code you need not a b c d e g h i j i gave you the code everybody seems to elabarate on the most basic you will not see anything in your code and try and write it underneath each other not in a line but at least your trying.WHEN YOU HAVE DONE THIS LOOK PROPERLY and not in the line of thought some have
So CS every number is a trigger?
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 25, 09:23 AM 2010
YOUR CODE IS WRONG its aa ab ac ba bb bc ca cb cc that is the only code you need not a b c d e g h I j I gave you the code everybody seems to elabarate on the most basic you will not see anything in your code and try and write it underneath each other not in a line but at least your trying.WHEN YOU HAVE DONE THIS LOOK PROPERLY and not in the line of thought some have
As you already know, you can count with me Commonsense1968 :)
So as Chrisbis said, here we have the code:
1st doz x low column = aa
1st doz x mid column = ab
1st doz x high column = ac
2nd doz x low column = ba
2nd doz x mid column = bb
2nd doz x high column = bc
3rd doz x low column = ca
3rd doz x mid column = cb
3rd doz x high column = cc
So now we have to find the triggers that make this code a winning flat betting system
Humm.. Any ideas guys?
Regards,
Afonso
Thanks CS
I made a mistake in my spreadsheet anyway.
Hereââ,¬â,,¢s my spreadsheet with your code.
Regards
Bruce
Or can be a matrix of this movements...
AA - AB - AC
BA - BB - BC
CA - CB - CC
CS have said to forget numbers for now.
The dozen of the previous number, in many cases seems to become the column of the next number.
The column of the previous number also in many cases becomes the dozen of the next number.
Maybe this fact must be used to for a system?
Regards
Bruce
Quote from: brak on Sep 25, 10:25 AM 2010
The dozen of the previous number, in many cases seems to become the column of the next number.
The column of the previous number also in many cases becomes the dozen of the next number.
Maybe this fact must be used to for a system?
Regards
Bruce
ABRLAKADABRLAKA--doesn't exist in roulette movements,my friend.
I've to agree with F_LAT_INO when he says
ABRLAKADABRLAKA--doesn't exist in roulette movements,my friend.
@F_LAT_INO
a method never seen on any thread so far,which is
a flat bet,and which I play for 3 years now successfully.
Glad to see someone winning consistently ^^
Quote from: A3on on Sep 25, 11:38 AM 2010
I've to agree with F_LAT_INO when he says
ABRLAKADABRLAKA--doesn't exist in roulette movements,my friend.
@F_LAT_INO
a method never seen on any thread so far,which is
a flat bet,and which I play for 3 years now successfully.
Glad to see someone winning consistently ^^
--And that is a method/Com.S. mentioned/that I was talking to Compa about
in his thread.
And there always be somebody that wins constantly.
I always asking myself;How come always same faces in these poker tournaments
year after a year.Same in roulette.If you are there almost every night for years
it can only mean that you are winning more then losing.Correct?????
I hear you Flatino
But weââ,¬â,,¢re talking about a way to select bets.
Now check this method of selection when betting 2 dozens.
Iââ,¬â,,¢ve selected the last dozen to appear and the dozen before the last dozen. (ie the last 2 dozens) in column J and K of my spreadsheet.
Now check out column O of my spreadsheet. Thatââ,¬â,,¢s where the column changes to the next dozen. 18 out of 19 winners. I haveââ,¬â,,¢nt checked out the bets between these column to dozen changes yet. Iââ,¬â,,¢m just trying to see how CS chooses his bets.
Regards
Bruce
My explanation might be unclear. Check the H column of my spreadsheet.
This will show when the column changes to the dozen.
Am I on the right track CS?
Regards
Bruce
Quote from: brak on Sep 25, 10:25 AM 2010
The dozen of the previous number, in many cases seems to become the column of the next number.
The column of the previous number also in many cases becomes the dozen of the next number.
Maybe this fact must be used to for a system?
Regards
Bruce
Why not? Look at the last 2 Doz & last 2 Col. Within that grid, select either all Red or all Black numbers. You'll have from 8 to 9 numbers to play with. Now we need to check how often those numbers within that grid hit.
Commonsense,you are not Johnnyg/Sherminator
You are Jordan,Wipper,Jan Claude,am I correct????
Well will be listening to your ideas.
sorry flat i,m none of the above WHY THIS FIXATION THAT I AM SOMEBODY ELSE i am who i am CAN,T u accept that. ARE YOU trying disredit me? if so why
I HAVE NO REPUTATION TO BE DISCREDITED. am i telling lies in what i,m saying
give me some reasons ?
i,ve not gained anything here BUT i am giving......WHY DOES THIS UPSET YOU?
ThIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS i want a secure room
to this end i have my made a facebook account for the serious to join this is were when ready the flat bet will evolve my email is commonsense1968@live.co.uk
No my friend,just that you come suddenly from nowhere
with this idea of FLAT BETTING group of students/that was
the idea of Jordan,not so long ago/and in very similar way as Jordan was doing
in the past.
But never mind,who ever you are,don't count on me as never
liked attending classes.
Quote from: Jordan on Sep 26, 08:52 AM 2010
Haha. Flatbet .
No he isn t me because I know that CWBs doesn't exist.
He is CEH for sure and he is promoting his new scam PPPC club...go and check he is asking for a fee
If he is indeed CEH I want to give him a try :)
Courtesy of Truth
"Good Morning people how are you doing today? Good? Well by the end of this story you will feel like s***.
I will take you to the bitter journey of reality that will be based on History and Facts.
I guess everyone who is using roulette forums have heard about the site called win3million. com and a man Charles Edwards Hampshire.
Today ill open your eyes to the sad reality of this site and his owner/owners.
May I tell you one important fact before you proceed, Charles Edwards Hampshire is a very clever man, I mean very!
Let the journey begin.
1 Year ago simple person like me found this website named win3million. com, when I first saw this site I was like, damn this man must have fallen from the tree to write such nonsense. His words were too clever and my passion for money was the hook that hooked me. Everything was very good, I started to learn roulette looking for that bet and facts that he told us, and it really did made be a better roulette player.
Till 2 days ago, when he opened his own forum on w3m site.
All posts there are only good, no bad posters and forum freaks allowed. Ok fair enough. I agree with him.
Then they guy named oldtimer from VLS showed up and posted one interesting fact that intrigued me, that post was deleted 3minutes after he posted it.
Here is his text (I saved it):
here I made it easier for all of youââ,¬Â¦Just go to this link and read the pages! Does the letters the colours and all the same expressions remind you of something???
hxxp: web. archive. org/web/*/hxxp: :. boffinsden. com
Jesus I thought again and again those forum freaks bothering us. Well I knew that Charles is genuine and what he writes is in my heart so I went to check it.
After reading first 2 pages of it, I was confused. Everything seemed to be exactly the same as in win3million. com page the idea, the text, the conception. I thought nah, that canââ,¬â,,¢t be truth forum freaks made it up, so I goggled it and found some interesting results. On old VLS forums I found people debating about this new w3m site and comparing it to boffinsden. com, they all seemed to be confused by the fact that Charles site is not selling anything. So nothing happened and it finished that way. Then I went back to Google to check some history when was the boffinsden site created, and when was the w3m site created. I found some interesting results.
Boffinsden. com was created in 2005 and win3million. com was created in 2007. If you donââ,¬â,,¢t believe me go and Google it for yourself itââ,¬â,,¢s called history.
Little Charles knew at that time that our future will be so advanced and that we could trace the history of internet in our days.
Now question for you guys, how do you think is it possible that 2 people have created same identical websites without knowing each other? Or someone copied anotherââ,¬â,,¢s website? Or it was the same Charles Edwards Hampshire who created both of them?
Anyway this fact made me think about all this situation, I compared the sites and in first boffinsden I just saw roulette systems for sale and in w3m I didnââ,¬â,,¢t saw anything that will make people pay. Then I remembered 1 fact the PPPC club of Charles.
Well it seems pretty normal that Charles got tired of losers and wanted to show people how to do it. Anyway in January 2010 Charles returned from ACTEF office and told us all on page 29. That for people who want to join the PPPC there will be some kind of contribution thing. Then later he said on page 29, that 300$ wouldnââ,¬â,,¢t satisfy him because forum freaks and anyone can have such sum of money.
Ok I agree with Charles it should be 500$ or even more. Ok so now the fun part starts. Letââ,¬â,,¢s do some mathematics.
In the last couple of months Charles site attracted lots of users, and that forum of his own will attract even more.
So letââ,¬â,,¢s assume there is between 1000 and 1500 people like me desperate to join the PPPC.
When the PPPC will open everyone will send him application forms because everyone wants a piece of that luxury lifestyle heââ,¬â,,¢s living.
Ok letââ,¬â,,¢s do some mathematics.
If the fee to join the club will be 500$ and he will get 1000 application forms (1000 people willing to pay him that 500$ just to get into that club) it will be cool half mil dollars. If the fee and numbers will be higher well heââ,¬â,,¢s looking about close to 1mil or even more. Not a bad payday for 3years work. Would you work for that kind of sum for 3 years? I would.
So as you can see its one of the best 21century scams here. Just open your eyes to reality people. If you donââ,¬â,,¢t believe me, and I think half of you will, do what you want, look for that bet, continue to lose your precious time on that man, JUST DONââ,¬â,,¢T SEND HIM MONEY!!! Thatââ,¬â,,¢s all I ask. I know he all brainwashed us very hard, just trust your heart on this, and whatever you doââ,¬Â¦donââ,¬â,,¢t send him moneyââ,¬Â¦
Thank you all for your time, if you can, please advice more and more people to read this. Its time to wake up from that bad dream.
This is just for new people to see the truth with thei own eyes."
Jordan may be right.
Why all the cloak and dagger and cryptic enigmas???
(Very very similar to silly CEH website tactics, if you ask me)
Yes we ARE serious people - and we are patiently waiting for you to explain. Moreover we are giving you the space and chance to enlighten us; not befuddle and perplex us with egoistic jingo...
Why not answer some of the questions posed that you have seen fit to disregard so far?Better still, why not tell us your method already so we can trial and test on your behalf?
I will still follow your thread as a matter of interest of course, only cannot understand why you are shrouding it in mysterious publicity - unless you are building up to a scam?!
It's your call, buddy.
A.
AMAZING i,m not ceh there is no mystery i, teaching you to think differently.
jordan you know i,m not you.....flat you have a flat bet with which you do not share?are you ceh trying to discredit me in case i find it?
the win3million site is very interesting reading is it not?you have all read it?have i asked you for any money NO atlantis explaining things and making you work for it is to help your thinking...no cryptic messages i have basically told you where to look.PERPLEXED wouldn,t even cover it.DID compa not solve it ?as he given you his bet?has he deleted some of his threads is he indeed ceh? RUBBISH. concerning the boffins bet and win3million they are indeed very similar if not the same people.DID ANYONE think to look at win3million on the wayback machine when he first started? ITS NOT THE SAME PERSON THAT IS DOING THE SITE NOW...go and read carefully the way he talks the way he comes accross its completley different from a few months later.IF I WAS CEH I THINK I WOULD HAVE GENERATED ENOUGH INTEREST FROM WIN3MILLION THAN CONVERT ANYONE ON HERE. you absolute donkeys.....if you wish progression betting i can give you loads a lot better than you have all posted on here but you will still lose in the long run...LAST WORD TO YOU AMAZING
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 26, 09:46 AM 2010
AMAZING i,m not ceh there is no mystery i, teaching you to think differently.
jordan you know i,m not you.....flat you have a flat bet with which you do not share?are you ceh trying to discredit me in case I find it?
the site is very interesting reading is it not?you have all read it?have I asked you for any money NO atlantis explaining things and making you work for it is to help your thinking...no cryptic messages I have basically told you where to look.PERPLEXED wouldn,t even cover it.DID compa not solve it ?as he given you his bet?has he deleted some of his threads is he indeed ceh? of not so much value. concerning the boffins bet and they are indeed very similar if not the same people.DID ANYONE think to look at on the wayback machine when he first started? ITS NOT THE SAME PERSON THAT IS DOING THE SITE NOW...go and read carefully the way he talks the way he comes accross its completley different from a few months later.IF I WAS CEH I THINK I WOULD HAVE GENERATED ENOUGH INTEREST FROM THAN CONVERT ANYONE ON HERE. you absolute donkeys.....if you wish progression betting I can give you loads a lot better than you have all posted on here but you will still lose in the long run...LAST WORD TO YOU AMAZING
Nice :D !
I know my Friend, I thought you would appreciate it :thumbsup:
Yeah, thats kinda what I meant :)
QuoteThIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I want a secure room
I offer you a secure room here in our forum: your very own private section.
- You the moderator.
- You hand-pick who gets in and have control at all times as to who gets out via your very own members' admission control panel.
- Private reading if you wish, or public reading but restricted posting (AS YOU *CHOOSE*).
Shall we proceed? :)
Well, I'm still more than interested and commonsense has my fullest attention.
I've been trying to find the cwb for about 3 years now. Still, just because I haven't found it yet is no proof that it doesn't exist.
Cheers
Hans
Quote from: Jordan on Sep 26, 01:21 PM 2010
Yes.Keep your money in your walet
And heart in your pocket.
Typical American.
What about living life with full lungs,doing
what heart desires...you will get 100 thatway.
I'm almost there--LOL :wink:/color]
This post is for the people that are still searching for an imaginary consistent winning bet.
Roulette is an object that has a round wheel and a little wite ball that is spining in a ball track. When the ball is losing velocity it is comming in the wheel and make a jump and sit in a nummber...this number is the so called winning outcome.
This Round wheel is on a table that has a carpet(LoL)....this carpet has all the numbers of the wheel and they can be betted by straight or spit and blah blah blah.....
So if you will see a roulette spinning ....even a retarded person will understand that the winning number is matter of luck! this is when the name RANDOMNESS is comming from....
So the exact same thing is happening with a dice etc etc etc......
so lets say that we have only DOZENS and columns....that would be 3 DOZ and 3 COL.....
take 2 plates.....and make 2 dices (from wood) and make every dice to have 3 numbers...
Dice 1= 1,2,3
Dice 2=1,2,3
Now take those dices and roll them a lot of times in those pllates (1 dice for every plate)
Now imagine that the 1st Dice is the DOZ and the 2nd Dice is the COL....
OK now make up an imaginary winning bet.......
e.g...every time that 1,2 I will bet 1,1 etc.....
So every time that you will be roling the dices thnk of this thought ONLY:
WHY the hell my bet will be more powerfull then an OTHER bet???
What is the reason???
is there any reason?
Will my bet will affect the dice to roll on with the eay that I want/need......
THIS IS exactly what is happening in the wheel wile you will be playing an imaginary winning bet....
I hope that even the retarded members will understand now......
If not...then do not hasitate and do the above example in real....GO ON do it.....
If your mind is healthy it will imediatelly underatdn that there is NO reason for a winning bet to exist.....
The only way to take advantage is BY the phisics of the game...VB or BIAS...
But this is also almost impossible in the modern wheels ...simply because the APers was greedy in the past or they didn t had the right mind not to revail their secrect......
But.. after this NOSENSE sentencies, we can continue with COMMONSENSE ? :)
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 26, 01:30 PM 2010
Still amazing.WHY ARE YOU ON HERE AT ALL JORDAN you are telling people to keep money in there wallets? how many systems have you posted? everyone is wrong and you are RIGHT. even FLAT has told you he has a flat bet so many contradictions amongst yourselves.
AMAZING MAYBE YOU NEED TO THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK I would like to thank people for there support and pm messages
Hello CS, would you like you own space at the forum? :)
To be truly random roulette should have 49 numbers instead of 37 and have no irregularities on the carpet. As it is not truly random there should be a way to beat it, shouldn't there?
Cheers
Hans
Heehaw...heehaw... From one donkey to another.
If the poster could be bothered to use a spell checker as a basic courtesy to its readers...
If the poster could be less cryptic and obtuse...
If the poster could refrain from insulting its readers (and donkeys)...
If the poster could learn when capital letters are appropriate and when not...
...then I might be inclined to take its Words of Wisdom more seriously.
I think a private thread, as opposed to a locked, padded cell, is a very sound idea.
I'll take the abuse. ;D
As for spelling - as long as i can understand, that's fine by me. :)
This doesn't mean that i'm right and you're wrong, or the other way around. :)
Ok CS, 3rd and your very last chance.
Simple yes/no question: Would you want a section for you to share your methodology with selected members?
Kindly post your answer in your next reply.
NOT DIRECTED AT CS, JUST MY THOUGHTS ON "HINTERS".
...Regarding "hinters". Problem is experience tells hinters are in for the ride of playing with people for their own personal entertainment (which is obviously not going to be tolerated here at this forum).
Almost 100% of the time hinters have nothing solid to use themselves, hence this is why they only hint.
This is a roulette systems forum, not a roulette HINTS forum. That leave it up to CHE. There are gazillion forums online and anyone can create their own to hint readers to death, just refrain from doing it here.
For our community's purpose hinters ARE disruptive and hence must be banned.
We abhor the endless "HINTS to CLUES" and "CLUES to more HINTS" scheme (or scam?).
We are pig tired of HINTERS full of hot air like CHE. Like I said this isn't addressed to any poster particular, but ANYONE who wants to play the HINTS TO CLUES game here forces this forum's administration to remove his account and ALL of his posts to prevent further people to fall for it.
By the way, as another forum reader, include me first-in-line in the "we" from both paragraphs above, ...and add the fact I also have the delete account + delete all posts button as admin. I'm willing to offer the forum to people willing to share and debate roulette and systems but won't take much "doo-doo" from those who are in just to waste people's time.
Well said Victor. :thumbsup:
Not sure why you're offering this guy his own space though... :-X
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 28, 02:33 AM 2010
Well said Victor. :thumbsup:
Not sure why you're offering this guy his own space though... :-X
There's a chance he has something... and it is a chance for CS to prove he is actually willing to share.
Quote from: VLS on Sep 28, 02:20 AM 2010
For our community's purpose hinters ARE disruptive and hence must be banned.
Ahah! I think i had enough of hints with X Code and Systemaker from GG board. ;D
Quote from: Jordan on Sep 28, 04:03 AM 2010
When you have nothing to give(because it doesn't exist) and when your readers have understood that you are a scam, you don't have any other choise than to be quiet.
Yep, he's busted.
Next! ;D
But seriously, even if you're sincere with your hints, the number of possible roulette systems is so huge that giving a few hints doesn't really amount to any help at all, unless the hint is very specific, and it usually isn't. It's a bit like thinking that buying 10 lottery tickets instead of 1 will give you a better chance of winning - it will, but for odds of 14 million to 1, shifting the decimal point one place doesn't make a helluva lot of difference.
If they're not here to yank your chain, it seems to me that the "hinters" are just looking for ideas.
seems like i have caused quite a stir here.IF YOU WANT VICTOR DELETE the threads and ban me it makes no odds.i,ve not gone quite but have been busy my life is hectic.OK THEN the aa bb cc are your triggers for any of you that HAVE even been interested to look.this is just one bet to look at remember, i have no doubt that all you progressors will clamour to make it into your own way of play.you will look at the what came out before the trigger
example ab
trigger cc
now you can either the dozen that is not in ab which is c or you can choose to bet dozen b as a and c are above each other.DURING your studies as now most of you are going to do you will notice the results that you are betting on switching to the oppisite of the way you choose to bet.follow this flow.this is a flat dozen bet if you wish to progress do so.the reason why you don,t progress is becouse you can have too many misses at some point before you catch up again.remember you can lose 4 in a row but only 2 to catch up.also as you are studying this the actual 4 numbers that you COULD choose ie ab or cc etc will start to come apparent where only 1 win per 8 losses is obtainable.
this is one method that wins more than loses but if you hit the losing sides 1st who knows this is one thing i would like to discuss 1st there are 3 more bets to go through but not bfore this is discussed I THINK THAT IS QUITE OPEN AND FAIR
also just for you progresors i will give you a bet for progression call it THE CS PROGRESSION BET
pick yourselves 3 singlle streets wherein 2 numbers have appeared then bet them adding 1 unit till you hit or any other 3 single streets work the maths out.you can bet up to a certain point where you will get your win then double your total amount that you had bet so far but only up 2 so many bets,WORK IT OUT simple i will now stay mainstream if you would wish me to and hope this poster will appease at least some of you
i would like to thank victor for doing this. THIS WILL BE OPEN TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CREATE A WAY FORWARD is this not the reason y every one is on here.
1st i would like to say i,m not putting up with negative input.
i will just push the button to drown out the noise. 2nd i am who i say i am NO ONE ELSE
people who can think for themselves are welcome.I AM NOT A TEACHER only a person like yourselves that looks at things differentley,if i can so can you
THERE IS NO SHAME ON THIS THREAD TO POST HOWEVER SILLY YOUR IDEA IS
YOU WILL NOT BE BE -LITTLED BY ANYONE HERE TRUST ME
ideas will only be for 100 spin sessions not for 6000 spin sessions
everybody who wants to talk rationally are welcome.
Congrats on your new space. :thumbsup:
Quote from: commonsense1968 on Sep 28, 07:37 AM 2010
I would like to thank Victor for doing this. THIS WILL BE OPEN TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CREATE A WAY FORWARD is this not the reason why every one is on here.
1st I would like to say i,m not putting up with negative input.
I will just push the button to drown out the noise. 2nd I am who I say I am NO ONE ELSE
people who can think for themselves are welcome.I AM NOT A TEACHER only a person like yourselves that looks at things differentley,if I can so can you
THERE IS NO SHAME ON THIS THREAD TO POST HOWEVER SILLY YOUR IDEA IS
YOU WILL NOT BE BE -LITTLED BY ANYONE HERE TRUST ME
ideas will only be for 100 spin sessions not for 6000 spin sessions
everybody who wants to talk rationally are welcome.
>>I would like to thank Victor for doing this. THIS WILL BE OPEN TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CREATE A WAY FORWARD is this not the reason why every one is on here.<<
Indeed this is the purpose of the forum, although why you cannot do it using the TESTING and NOTEBOOK forums like most others here I fail to understand...
You would still have moderator rights as the thread starter and can delete replies you do not like there.
>> 1st I would like to say i,m not putting up with negative input. <<
The same goes for all of us. I will not put up with "negative" remarks in my threads also.
>>I AM NOT A TEACHER only a person like yourselves that looks at things differentley,if I can so can you - everybody who wants to talk rationally are welcome.<<
If you ARE like the majority of US - why are you getting special treatment and making demands? There are many of us likeminded members here who have the same altruistic motives as you who have freely posted their ideas to this end in the normal way and in the correct places designated. Why cannot you do the same?
That seems RATIONAL talk to me.
Instructions in the obvious or lectures about "negativity" are not really necessary. I don't see the point of creating mysteries or enigmas when you can make forthright statements and clear explanations just as easily and without timewasting. If continuing in that fashion you would most likely be accused of playing mind games for your own amusement and I'm sure that is not what you would like eh... commonplace1968?
Take care,
Atlantis.
Nice to see you here :)
I was thinking that you would left this forum after so many members blamming on you :s
I 2nd that, Congrats !
Glad you're back CS
Bruce
Glad to hear about that.
regards Bene
Glad you are here CS.
iggy
Nice CS!
I will continue following this.
Welcome CS. . .
Now can we get to the good stuff . . . .
???
TTT
:wink:
Im extremely glad to see u have a new emporium to air ur ideas CS.
Now then, Now then, best of order Gentlemen please...................
(and any ladies)
Can we get down to the absolutely serious business of expressing Cs's intricate system of movement, matrix and taking the upper hand at the casino table!!
Please CS, begin the process of informing, sharing and testing ur theorum
to this assembled audience.??
I, along with many others await with the sound of the starting pistol!!
C
Hi CS. Just a thort.
Would it help, if we labelled the movements area in your matrix,... ZONES?
Like this................. Zone 1 (or Z1), Zone 2 (Z2)....??
all the way to Zone 9 (Z9). Unless your info is all ready coded aa,ab,ac,ba,bb,bc,ca,cb,cc.
It just seemed to simplfy matters for reference??
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This is what I've tried so far:
at first I wrote it down like
ac
ba
ca
but couldn't notice anything of value.
then I rearranged it like
ac ba ca
bc bb aa
ab ba cc
and noticed that there is some overlapping in the first and third line.
so I rearranged it again to
ac ba cc bc bb cc
ab ba ca . . .
and then I always bet on the results of the line above.
well, it started quiete successfull but didn't hold on to pass the 30 x 100 test. :'(
cheers
hans
Hello there. I am very new to this Forum but consider I was fortunate to tune in at this time. Thank you CS for providing gems for us to consider.
I am interested in all the ideas that have been set out to find a flat bet which will provide a consistent opportunity to take profit.
Fascinated by the coding of Doz and Col.
I will make an attempt to move this forward by noting how when the codes are verticaly aligned as per a number sequence often there are long runs of clusters that seem to occur and which overlap when you consider Doz and Col.
Perhaps there is an opportunity to take short term take advantage of this phenomenon - a sort of game within a game. I believe a win will outweigh a loss comparing +20 to -16.
It might be possible to climb on and off quickly and take a quick profit, say two net wins, ie +40 units.
For example from Wiesbaden 1st October T3
26 c b
25 c a
1 a a
7 a a first proven overlap. bet for cluster to continue and win
14 b b loss
19 b a win
1 a a win and take profit after two net wins
28 c a (loss)
2 a b
26 c b (win)
My definition of a cluster would be 3 or more elements, ie a, b, or c, in a sequence. This is a vertical sequence.
I have run this idea with my own terminology coding and have had success.
Is this the sort of direction you were suggesting for us CS?
Thanks everyone for contributing to this very interesting discussion which will help us all. Food for thought. I have other ideas too but for smaller unit gain, ie say +5 units but probably at higher unit value or a value that can be grown/ compounded.
Cheers
XXVV
I need to add some clarification to my post because on reflection what I wrote previously was ambiguous and there is a further level I should add to this idea.
By cluster I mean two elements eg abbbbaabba or bccbbcccbbb
However to stabilise or form a cluster I define this by the short term pattern consisting of at least three elements, eg abb or aab or aba.
Sometimes play is very choppy and might consist of lots of change such as,
abcbacabbcac, but in due course a long string cluster will form and I have seen these in excess of 20 elements. I have charted the length of clusters over statistically significant samples so know what to expect.
It is quite reasonable to expect 2,3 or up to 6 consecutive wins with this method playing 16 targets before a loss. However perhaps one game in ten might trigger a bank loss if the stop loss is set low.
Play is always flat staking.
What we can use amongst other opportunities (!) though is a situation where two string clusters of say 6 or 7 elements (common) overlap on Doz and Col thus providing a temporary target area of favoured 16 numbers for inside betting, as opposed to the more usual outside table staking with this method.
I usually start a selective flat bet on 16 numbers after the overlap is noted and 3 or more elements are confirmed to enable a formal overlap. These are usually stable enough during a 30-50 spin sequence to enable quick selected net profit.
At this time I am happy to walk away after two consecutive wins to enable a gain of approximately +40 units in a quick game.
However by being patient and watching choppy phases pass then runs can be seen and advantage can be taken.
Again it would pay to have a stop loss bank for those situations which just are too choppy.
However another level of refinment can be overlaid as per the observation of CS that after 18 numbers are played and observed ( virtually) there is a better chance of repetition among these numbers rather than the remaining 18 that have not yet materialised. Thus numbers that have not yet shown could well be edited from the 16 numbers we are targetting because there may be improved chance of repeats for this reason or also for other reasons that can be monitored by a variety of methods for ec betting or other cluster analysis ( such as wheel sections or groups of finales).
Thus 16 targets could be trimmed to say 9 or less, improving net returns.
Hope this is clearer.
There are lots of other techniques too which can offer short term advantage where say a smaller bank of 10 units can be used, and when 5 units or more are offered by a series of small wins, then the player can take a nice profit and eventually compound his winnings.
There are trigger events to indicate cluster changes, but thats another story.
Hope this is helpful in the spirit of moving ideas forward to be more successful for us all. I hope this has not gone too far out on the limb! Cant wait to hear more from CS.
Cheers
XXVV
Welcome to the forum X, and thanks for participating actively :thumbsup:
Appreciated! :)
You can tell I'm new to this game. I wrote a fab set of ideas and got so carried away I timed myself out and when posting lost the whole lot!! That will teach me. Common sense is essential!
Very quickly Ia pologise as I think I misinterpreted the matrix as suggested by CS. But here is my take on it
aa ab ac
ba bb bc
ca cb cc
Every group( 9) has 4 ( FOUR) numbers !!
So I followed the idea and applied to Wiesbaden 1 Oct T3 first 20 spins the idea of playing B only from the last 2 doz and last 2 cols
numbers 15 17 20 24 26 29 33 35
used virtual play and trigger being appearance of one of these then played penultimate spin after virtual win and continue till a loss then stop.
2 wins 2 losses ie +40
Cheers
XXVV
Idiota!! Sorry.
Every group( 9) has 4 ( FOUR) numbers !!
XXVV
Good Morning. It is a beautiful morning here and after a long walk down by the beach my thoughts are clearer and I have re-focused on the instructions from CS. Trying to look laterally. Simply.
Looked at this grid of nine. Looked at it as an entity of 3x3. And as suggested have set aside any numbers from the moment.
A series of ideas. Apologies in advance if these are silly or obvious or already stated somewhere else.
#1 the idea of a sequence of movements - a chain of movements on this matrix square. ( can it also go in 3D? - ie by some other variables). Say from one corner to the centre then onward to the next position. What would be the reason for this happening? A series of steps - just part of a short term pattern which may regularly be identified. Say first two steps of a line trigger a strong possibility for the third step? Eg aa to bb then on to cc? Flat bet this outcome possibility (only four straight up numbers). The X pattern is a subliminal hint no doubt from my choice of name.
#2 repeats in a grouping - like a short term attraction. say to any position say aa then play all the adjacent possibilities.
Thus the matrix might be like this in potential outcomes/ links.
3 5 3
5 8 5
3 5 3 with bb quite a busy hub of adjacent possibilities.
Will monitor outcomes and see if there is any merit to these ideas. . . .
Hope this helps
Cheers
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Oct 04, 02:39 AM 2010
So I followed the idea and applied to Wiesbaden 1 Oct T3 first 20 spins the idea of playing B only from the last 2 doz and last 2 cols
numbers 15 17 20 24 26 29 33 35
used virtual play and trigger being appearance of one of these then played penultimate spin after virtual win and continue till a loss then stop.
2 wins 2 losses ie +40
Cheers
XXVV
Interesting. I'll check it out. ;)
Next step might be to characterise each of the nine coded groups in the magic square and schedule their EC characteristics to see which are balanced and which skewed or strong in certain character, weak in other.
Have also been looking at patterns of sequence of outcomes for the 81 (!) situations that can occur ( discounting zero which might be ignored) from repeat to relationship in different locations, eg aa to aa to ab and ab to ba etc.
Steady progress.
XXVV
Moving forward. 4 coded squares have particular interest.
ab is BL dominant and Low ab B L ac R L
ac is R dominant and Low
cb is BL dominant and High cb B H cc R H
cc is R dominant and High
all others are balanced in EC characteristics.
Running through 100 spin sets of Wiesbaden data and observing outcomes.
Hope this is in the right direction
XXVV
Next step out on a limb exploring!
Have set up a trigger (simple example) to activate targetting of one of these four panels of 4 numbers.
Idea is to say simply await an outcome that hits one of these panels and then play penultimate for a repeat of the panel. Stop if lose and continue if win. Sometimes you get a resonating/ repeating outcome.
Small sample of 50 Wiesbaden spins activated 2 misses and 2 consecutive wins when took profit. Overall return +56 units - only played 4 real spins.
This may just be a happy coincidence but I will test several sets of 100 spin samples for this but also look at EC betting sequences (penultimate betting) where there is a strong likelihood of one or more of these characteristics - B or R, and H or L - then target the panel(s).
Reason for success should be that these particular panels are skewed in favour of key characteristics, and also say if the window of current 18 most recent numbers includes one of these target numbers then we are increasing our chances of a hit beyond standard random expectation. Thats the theory anyway.
Will report on any sustained success tomorrow but may have to stop and await some direction!! Hope this helps. Food for thought.
Cheers
XXVV
As I promised here is the result from 250 spins of Wiesbaden - I know just a tiny sample but I think it indicates some progress but only a part of the way on the journey to a consistent winning method. There were 11 hits with two of them being double.
Overall result was + 128 units with on two situations ideal times to stop and take profit ( after the double wins). However sometimes long run between wins ( say 12+ losses) on these criteria.
I will reflect on this and overlay the other variables I mentioned step by patient step. No rush. Looking forward to any comments or suggestions from posters.
Cheers
XXVV
Well, dropping in here just to ask if you may need some form of graphical aid or the like for you to show the charts to the fellows.
Also thanks for your testing time.
Regards.
Victor
Much appreciated. You have been extremely helpful.
Not yet and really dont want to go too far without further input from CS!
Cheers
XXVV
Okie,
I do have the [chart] tag code in my hardrive but at the time won't insert it into the forum's software codebase unless there's an actual need/demand for it.
...when you happen to need to insert a balance graph just PM me and I'll add it. :)
Cheers!
Victor
It has been a lot of fun working through these ideas and thanks for support and encouragement gratefully received. I am trying to keep in focus what CS has stated and what has been suggested, so the explorations may meander a little!
I will re-read all CS postings now before I go any further and refocus!!
In the meantime here are the results of 1200 spins being 12 x 100 spin sessions from Wiesbaden.
I know the 'bet' as I have set it up at present is quite simple and very crude but (to my pleasant surprise) it does actually work and it or a relative of it maybe (!) could be tuned and tweaked via the variables - or I may need to be reminded I am way off course!!!
1200 spins, 12 sessions ( 2 encountered net loss)
+448 units from 442 bets placed ( ie one live bet for every three 'virtual' spins)
This is based on targetting 4 only targets on inside table numbers
A win is +36, and a loss -4 units.
An observation is that there could be some parallel plays which are outside bets on Doz and Col, using the penultimate betting pattern which would 'dampen' the volatility of a series of near misses into a series of small hits. This can also be done with EC R/B and H/L factors. It would not be hard to co-ordinate these and I can look at that next until told to stop!
Best
XXVV
Dear XXVV
Can you please give a small example of your play?
OK
Wiesbaden T3 12.08.2010
column three
17
11 code ab and looking for a repeat of ab on p/e bet
24
1 L
8 code ab etc
18
23 L
30 code cc etc
25
8 L close but no cigar and sets up next target code ab
4
5 W as it falls within ab 4 target parameter also sets target code ab
34
6 L close but no cigar under these tight parameters sets ac target
16
25 L
9 code ac etc
33 code cc etc
3 W as it falls within ac
33 W as it falls within cc
29 L
33 W and take profit
All this is based on playing the ab,ac,cb and cc groups of four numbers each.
Hope this is clear enough
XXVV
Thanks. It is very clear.
You're a machine, XXVV. I'm taking interest.
Nice going. :)
BMWXXVV
In my next approach I tried to take also the dbl into consideration.
i. e. : the first letter always shows the doz. and the second the col. and the result is
ac ab
so I would bet 'a' on the doz. (dbl) and 'b' on the col. (ld). if I had a hit on one or both of them I would bet the chance were it hit again in case a run might occour. for the chance that didn't hit, I'd return to the basic bet selection, dbl for the doz. and ld for the col.
I also tried this for ld on the doz. and dbl. on the col.
as with both methods I had nice wins but also some too high losses I tried the following:
used one of the above bet selection for a start an sticked to it until I lost the doz. and the col. bet as well. I then switched to the other selection until a loss on both.
well, it didn't work.
@commonsense
what do you think, would it be a good idea if you sort the different approaches into different threads, i. e. into the ones that show potential and the ones that don't work? so we could easily track what has already been tried?
cheers
hans
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 06, 03:41 AM 2010
:-\
Hi Victor.
Can I ask, why have we ended up with two threads the same on this Topic, (Common Sense Only)
Only difference is a space bet ween a word??
It was because the original topic started in one section and then when CS got this section another one opened.
Now they have been merged into this single topic :thumbsup:
Hello Everyone.
Thanks for rationalising the thread. I was getting a split personality - well worse than usual anyway!
I am really excited after reviewing the posts by CS, and particularly his extraordinary message with the 3 paras -Sept23 at 7.13am.
As he stated "This post is in itself is one of the biggest revelations you will see on this site." After a lot of careful review , thought, and testing, I think I can start to see why.
We are all here to learn, are we not, and to improve our roulette play for whatever benefits we choose. At the very least it is great to be a winner!
The general headings that CS listed were ( I have taken the liberty of paraphrasing these...) :
#1 the value of zero
#2a. RO/BE runs
#2b. BO and the following odd anomaly
#3 The 9 Movements that are the key to a CWB
My particular interest is in #2b and #3.
I have a good friend who has been studying the RO/BE and BO/RE realtionships and is working hard to try to harness the opportunities that CS mentioned. Slippery.
I have observed in testing all of these statements that they are all true, and stunningly so, but note that the imbalance or anomalies often appear in bursts - they are not always there it seems so that you have to play a game within a game in order to trap them. It is fascinating.
Take for example the question of Black Odds with a likely further odd to follow.
I did some initial testing and my results were nothing out of the ordinary until I realised the mistake I had made. You need to look at the Black Odd outcome as an independent outcome with the following outcome observed but do not go any further. Do not follow sequences. Measure each event as an independent, happening in isolation. Record the results.
I measured 300 of these outcomes which is a statistically significant sample, made up of data from live spins recorded in London at the Ritz Casino some years ago. To my amazement the ratio was 60% consistently - from smaller samples to larger samples, and different sessions, the ratio balanced out at this percentage when one would expect 50%. 60% of the outcomes were Odd. Only 40% were Even!
I did a further survey based on Wiesbaden data over recent days.
The same percentage was confirmed spread over several sessions.
Then on the 9 Movement matrix which is what we have been exploring it is interesting how the results come out, and wins certainly seem to cluster, even with the crudest of my initial attempts at using the model.
Imagine how you might be able to combine these factors, this knowledge with tools and make a bet that could consistently win. What would you do?
Working on that!
Best Wishes
XXVV
Hey Guys,
Look at my post under "General Discussion" "Progressions" reply #13.
It's a tweak of FLATINO's Random VS Random which I think has some real promise. So far it's been blowing my mind (maybe not so difficult to do) at how well it's been winning.
Unless I've just been very, very lucky, this may be a real keeper.
Sorry to interupt this thread, but thought this was the easiest way to get the word out.
George
well well nice to see that people are interested.iv,e been busy this week and just read the post.coming on in leaps and bounds.i think some of you are believing it is possible.good.
anyway i will be here a bit more often if i can but you can lose so much time here its unbelievable.the black odd and the odd coming out after it is a very interesting fact.also i,ve not been idle this week i,ve come to believe that after 3 red odd comes out there at the moment in my test seems to be a large amounts of odds to evens after it?reading about the ceh bet and clues that were left ie bet the oppisite of what you find and if he loses 6 times in a row it makes no odds as he has enough winners makes it an inside bet.i believe he is not a crazy old fool his pppc wealth page is not blank its a swap picture ssl 252bit encoded page and you need the software key to open it.which you drag over the picture to log in harder security than a bank.
so this has lead me to look a bit further into my matrix as you have aptly named.his big clue was 20 bets per session if you lose 6 or twelve of these then you would commonsensley think it would be a handful of numbers to pick if you could still make a profit.
so i have been testing like this if aa comes out bet cc
if cc comes out bet aa
if ca comes out bet ac
if ac comes out bet ca
this is just a random mix with things being oppisite and not the conventional toughts and you are only betting on 4 numbers in the cosen section i think it still needs a bit more tweaking but seems ok to play with.you can still lose 12 but still win x amount your bet check this out and give me your thoughts
I did a test on the Black/ Odd approach. each time BO showed up I placed a bet on O.
I used my usual 30 test sessions from wiesbaden spielbank, 100 spins each. the first 15 sessions were spun by a dealer and the second 15 sessions were airball roulette. starting bankroll for each session were 500 units.
well, the final result is not good, I'm afraid. the test ended with a result of minus 9 units.
you can find the details in the attachement.
cheers
Hans
Thanks CS for those hints which I will follow on the Matrix. Very exciting! Have always loved 3R anyway. Actually I like all the numbers because they all win eventually!
XXVV
Thanks H.
Good testing. I note the live dealer result slightly more positive. That may mean little but I also now there is a big difference between live dealer play and any automated results. I know this is a touchy subject but I only ever play with a live croupier.
The range of results are interesting moving from a bank low of 493 (-7) to a bank high of 515 (+15). I also note the lowest session was the last - possibly an anomaly.
Even yesterday in a new test I encountered one session where BO went to Even +14 rather than the opposite, before it corrected. I had another session where it went the other way +15. Volatile sometimes!
This is one point. we know the variance with EC betting can be considerable - consider the 28 Blacks in a sequence, before it corrected eventually.
The eventual can be a long time and in the short reality of a 50 to 100 spin session we need as much knowledge as possible to assist us. If we had been monitoring R/B and it was skewed to one side temporarily there is an opportunity, given other safety features in operation, that we could take advantage of the correction. This would be ABWAB.
It may also be that we dont see any "correction" then we go with the wheel dont we - until it reaches known extremes - maybe 15 is a common extreme and could be used as a safe limit before it swings the other way. Climb on when it starts to go the other way. We need to be familiar with the characteristics by previous tests and records.
Also what I am trying to say is that we sometimes see what we want/expect to see as well, and it can be subjective. However results speak for themselves dont they. By that I mean a consistent winning system!
There are cycles within cycles within cycles arent there and we need to have an ability to see the big picture as well the microscopic sometimes.
In fact it is not black and white. I have noticed that whenever I come and sit down at a table, zero is never far way. I love zero. It is a bit of an inner joke for me, like having that parking space always waiting when you need it. Lets call it positive anticipation, or a form of synchronicity.
Last, and this is not intended as any defence of the theory put forward, please note the difference between an independent event such as the BO going to Odd next and say two BO in a row and then measuring that next outcome. It may make a difference. Certainly there are many times when the BO consistently goes to Odd.
Thanks for your work. Food for thought.
Best
XXVV
I like ur postsvery interesting.
Quick Q.. from a newbie- what is 3R??
3 Red
Look at what CS says about it.
Cheers
XXVV
Couldn't resist it. 100 samples. Red 3 followed by Odd 54 times ( +8) and at one stage two thirds through was +15. At all times was ahead. All live Wiesbaden.
Who knows, next samples may tell a different story.....
Have had a lot of success on the Matrix playing the "same" as triggers as well as "opposite". Successful timing of exit as always is essential for substantial profit. Early days yet on this Quest.
XXVV
Greetings
Will need to sleep on some of this but I believe that CS is suggesting the 4 numbers be targetted by means of 2 split bets, each paying 17:1 with return of chip.
Thus a loss of 6 consecutive bets ( worst case scenario) loses 12 units, but this is recovered by +18, ie overall +6.
Never more than 20 units are at risk.
If this is correct and then we have to find a steady and accurate trigger to activate the bets. After all, sometimes there will be two consecutive wins, probably a great place to take the profit and close, but the targetting must be accurate.
I have found by playing the "same" 4 numbers as I used as the trigger, when playing ab , ac , cb and cc, that when the wins came, they often arrived clustered close, like we had got into ' phase '.
I have been targetting "different/ opposite" as well.
An idea came to me that the LR ac could be the reverse for HB cb.
Also maybe the BO may signal alikely further Odd but maybe Red (to reverse) so becomes ac or cc.
Perhaps the window of 18 numbers more likely to repeat may also signal where to place the bet.
Clearly the 'tweaking' of the accuracy here is vital.
After this little brainstorm, hope this moves us forward a little.
Cheers
XXVV
Footnote:
Clearly the BO/RE opposites may have a bearing here, as also RO/BE with the observations from the various hints from CS in recent messages, to help set the correct trigger for best bet selection.
Clearly if the CWB misses only occasionally and the worst ever miss was 6 consecutive losses, then most of the time it must hit first spin! That must be why double hits occur which are a fabulous way to finish a winning session.
Food for thought
XXVV
Still fully trying to get to grips with the system that ur now suggesting.
Is it poss to put all of this down now, in a precise manageable form
(iidiot proof) as a clear set of instructions.
With the trigger indicators and the method
of choosing the next group of target numbers in the matrix?
Then we could do a test panel, group of testers, say split into two groups,
Bricks and Mortar team, plus Online team and see if the results could to compared in any way?
Thorts XXVV = 30, or 10+10+5+5 who knows!!
xxvv i,m surprised you are the only person posting with the amount of interest generated.i think you should change your name to triple x as you get three stars for your dedication.its nice to see some one thinking along same lines as me.as you progress things will get easier and not as complicated as you think.maybe now some people might see flat betting in a different light.
you,ve started down a road now that,ll convince you progression is not for winners.there are only 9 movements REMEMBER THIS that is 9 places where the ball will land.think ENGINEER a bet.let your imagination go wild. 20 bets from ceh means there is at least 4 spins in between EACH ONE IN A COMBINATION pointing to the bet selection.
Thanks CS
I will take this on board and take a deep breath!
XXVV
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 08, 04:23 AM 2010
Still fully trying to get to grips with the system that your now suggesting.
Is it poss to put all of this down now, in a precise manageable form
(iidiot proof) as a clear set of instructions.
With the trigger indicators and the method
of choosing the next group of target numbers in the matrix?
Agreed! That would help and will bring more of us forward to share in this exploration.
Thanks for the requests for clarification. I have placed my own request as well on this journey of exploration!
I think it will all come clear(er) in due course.
Please follow my previous posts carefully. I have to re-read what CS states about 7 times! ...and then it may change its meaning in 12 hours!
I will continue on and summarise key steps when appropriate.
Anyone can input at any time and offer different shades of meaning. You can ask questions of CS yourself at any time I am sure if you put forward a thought/ an idea.
I like the analogy of a snowball going down the mountain. It picks up momentum/ energy with everyone's input and gravity!
Cheers
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Oct 08, 03:16 PM 2010
Thanks for the requests for clarification. I have placed my own request as well on this journey of exploration!
Please follow my previous posts carefully. I have to re-read what CS states about 7 times! ...and then it may change its meaning in 12 hours!
LOL! I guess that's ok, as long as you're getting it. ;D
Thanks for suggestion of clarification. I probably need to elaborate. When something of complexity and value is read, we can come back to it several times and with each new reading it may become clearer, and even new shades of meaning unfold.
This happened in reading a lot of earlier CEH material also.
In fact when I have reviewed material not seen for say several months, it is me that has changed, not what was written.
Also there is a principle here, strongly stated by CS, that we have to work for what is of value, to earn the right to extraordonary knowledge.
There is no easy way - and if there were we would not value it. These are aspects of human nature aren't they, and we have to be honest with ourselves.
We can work alone or together, and hopefully the best combination, both.
As a professional designer ( Architect) I know that it is essential sometimes to work solo, as design by committee reflects just that - a series of compromises. However I also know in building, we cannot do anything alone as it is a team that builds. So I think the answer is to combine the best of both approaches.
So that is what I am trying to do with the amazing opportunity here before us at this time.
I will try to set out what is clear and expressable in due course, and in the meantime would invite all to participate without fear of negative comment or derision. The spirit at work within this Forum at this time is excellent and I have loved the opportunity to share some thoughts and have received nothing but support and encouragement as someone new to Forums.
A start will be to define "to Engineer " - to originate, cause, plan in a clever
manner,to design plan ingeniously and construct ( from parts and assembled material) - also the lovely connotation - to ' mastermind' !
So we have to 'Engineer a Bet'.
We must also apply Common Sense!
Need to think freshly and outside of the box, ie think laterally.
The progress that we have made is fantastic in that we are told to form this bet we have a framework of 9 movements. Weknow these are the movements on the table and they are housed in the nine sections of the table layout
aa ab ac
ba bb bc
ca cb cc
We have been told that we should look for the opposites, and from this that could mean for example....
aa could be switched diagonally on this matrix to cc and vice versa
ca to ac and vice versa.
I have suggested that initial stage may be 'virtual play', and this may lead up to an eventual trigger for live play.
We have been told that the available staking is 20 bets
We know this is only utilised in flat betting - no progressions.
I have assumed that bet selection will be based on penultimate spin selections.
We have been told that the target will be one of these zones in the matrix consisting of 4 inner numbers.
I have surmised ( I may be wrong) that the betting consists of 2 units placed as split betting for maximum efficiency and economy to cover 4 numbers.
We have been told that CEH lost no more than 6 bets in a row ( worst case scenario) with the consistent winning bet.
We have also been told (elsewhere) that a session was finished ideally with consecutive wins. That the worst outcome is six losses would indicate that the probablity of a first spin hit is very high. The mathematicians among you will have the tables to demonstrate this.
It seems we are on the right track, and goodness knows we have come a lot further than any before, thanks to the knowledge and assistance of CS.
The latest stage we are at is to determine how we Engineer the Bet - the live bet that will be so successful.
"at least 4 spins in between EACH ONE IN A COMBINATION pointing to the bet selection".
So I have summarised clearly for all to surely understand where we are at - so it would be very helpful if we now had some ideas input from our Forum participants!
I believe the answer will be clear, simple and elegant when its all polished!
Genuinely hope this helps,
XXVV
There are 9 movements
9 8 7
6 5 4
3 2 1
and 3 key times
Key time 1= 1 4 7
Key time 2= 2 5 8
Key time 3= 3 6 9
inside the cube if you play the opposites always you'll have same result:
9+1=10
8+2=10
7+3=10
6+4=10
5+5=10
Then it is reduced to 5 movements
four of them with 8 numbers
one with 4 (5 repeats itself)
Besides you could record EC and speculate with that dominant for whatever EC so as to reduce the bet to 4 numbers. If we follow Common Sense suggestion we could even reduce amount of numbers to put into play just working with numbers with one outcome at least, more than one would be a repeat of course.
A 9 number example:
Numbers Matrix for movements
12 25 32 3 7 8
33 1 34 9 1 7
27 3 15 9 3 6
You read proper outcome of numbers from right to left, upside down, the same for the movement matrix.
For this 9 movements i use numbers so as to have better in mind all 3 key times
so
aa is 1
ab is 2
ac is 3 and so on till cc is 9
Cheers,
Carlos.
Remember you can have the same key times and 9 movements on the wheel and not only on the green carpet. But that is a another issue.
Apart from sleep deprivation, have been reviewing (again) what CS has stated, and am reminded he wants us to work as a group to improve bet selection, and to develop a consistent winning selection!
Go back to first post by CS and read how "your own system of play" will give you the edge when you "engineer bets from the ground up" by for example using a window of 18 previous numbers, or a selected colour, or column, or in this case selected panel(s) of the matrix based on say penultimate spinning or say suitable reversals.
Our engineering needs to bring into play appropriate controls to sharpen our focus and improve the accuracy of our bet selection.
There are lots of ways, some may choose numbers, I like to use words to convey ideas, but I have been advised it need not be complicated. So I guess its going to be a bit of trial and error, and I'll gratefully accept any hints!!
This where the imagination has to brainstorm! Loosen up!!!
Ive started by reviewing the past spins and assigning the code- then reversing it - trying say 4 penultimate spins - then see where this points - a direction? - a short term pattern - exploring.
Will advise results later.
XXVV
carpanta thats not neccesserily true.i think your trying to make a time key work from compa,s post.lateral means DIFFERENT ANGLES.
everybody seems to be making fun systems so to take your mind off this for a day or two i,ll give you one to play with.
there is no stop loss only when you want to and you only need win 3 times or 2 depending how disciplined you are.
no doubt you could see this as a system of play.so this is from me to all who is showing interest in flat betting.
in the game for people who look beyond columns dozens high and low streets corners lines there is another game to be played for those who look.YOU COULD CALL IT A GAME WITHIN A GAME LOL.as i say its a different way of thinking
i will explain the best i can and only once.on the table there are only 9 true evens which are 2,4,6,8,20,22,24,26,28. when 1 of these come out bet on all true oe and eo numbers which are 10,12,14,16,18,21,23,25,27,29,30,32,34,36 and thats a 14 unit bet,you bet only once per true even number.do not bet after 2 true even numbers ie 20,4.wait for the next one.i,m giving you this as a fun system probably better and safer than all systems on this site.no doubt all progressors will have a field day with this but its a disciplened fun way to win.all things and that i give in the time i,m on this site can be tweaked using all of my previous post .the thing that makes thiswork is your self discipline to stop when in a small amount of profit. ENJOY
i forgot to mention out of the true evens you only bet after the double evens which are 20,22,24,26,28 not after 2,4,6,8 this is important your test will show you why
After reading last two Common Sense's posts i'm done with this thread.
Are you serious, mate?
Cheers,
Carlos.
I bet he is Fuming this Thread has risen like the Phoenix :D
Once again thanks Victor for handling this and re-instating material that was deleted. Amongst this material is some considerable value- more than some may realise - and we will try to build on that. Results of any suggestions or methods as proposed by CS will be published and from what I have done so far, at times, they have some merit and are little steps that may add to a larger picture. They illustrate that at times certain patterns can be taken advantage of - but of course alone they are inconsistent.
What we are trying to find are a series of methods, factors, techniques, triggers, that when put together, ie be engineered, then we can make the results consistent. Or at least consistent enough to consistently turn a profit using flat staking and a limited bank ( say 20 units).
Looking forward to putting some ideas for the matrix and look at a few options and a possible way forward.
Best
XXVV
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Just thort i'd post up this image for any newbies like myself.
Thort it may help others to visualise the whole system and how things move!
It might help if the developers of 'The Matrix 9 Movements'
could use it in some way, maybe as a reference.
I see the whole 9 movements thing as a form of dance, (ie dance steps)
that is played out on a stage (the Green table).
Either that or, its a tune played out on the table, with each of the zones (aa, ac,cc,ca)
becoming a note within the 'Music Of Spins' and as each number is spun, the destination
is a cord which would be one of the 9 zonal areas.
Just my thoughts , and mine alone- I know- I'm bonkers!!
If need any more drwgs- just yell.
Great image chrisbis and the lateral idea here of a series of notes, steps that lead to a repeating chord or motif may be very helpful.
There will be recognisable repeating patterns from time to time like bars of music, and some will be memorable tunes maybe.
Can take that analogy further with overlays of rhythms and different instruments, patterns or colours in the music. Great stuff.
Music to my ears.
XXVV
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Horizontal version of the same. thanks XX. :smile:
Tell me in simple terms what your next plan is- need win some money back at casino as lost last night on Bad RNG!! >:( :thumbsup:
When in doubt do nothing!
XXVV
@XXVV
Do u use any form of Bot (Robot) in any roulette casino play ?
And y has commonsense1968 gone from member to guest just recently??
Did something happen that i missed?? :o
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 10, 02:14 PM 2010
Did something happen that I missed?? :o
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/user-commonsense1969-banned/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/user-commonsense1969-banned/)
@chrisbis
No.
Ask Victor and Carpanta.
Yes.
I play only live Casino with a Dealer.
I get in and get out as quickly as possible as soon as target win is achieved.
If not playing seriously will be more casual.
Thanks for your clever suggestion for Dance and Music analogy! Seriously that is a great help in visualising and planning.
Cheers
XXVV
Eye know!!
I was going to open up a new Topic ( no not the chocolate bar!!)
Called......Chrisbis and his bonkers idea's!!
:wink:
I have a few new ideas that have not seen on the forum,
but I'll thrash them out in draft form first before emptying my cranium of them.
I am quite interested in the music/dance one.
I imagined being one of the RNG programmers, and had to come up
with a number generator that used something different than an algorithum,
or moving coe=efficient.
I also have watched many spins, in fast mode during Play4Fun
and watched in amazement as the landing marker danced a jig
on the green table. (other colours also available)
@carpanta
Thanks Carlos for the ideas in your matrix, and as I am new to this Forum I do not really understand but would really appreciate some clarification. Would you be able to explain the time signature please.
Regarding your message to CS perhaps you could have approached this in a different way such as seeking clarification about his terminology like I am doing with you.
I believe you may have misunderstood his second post as this simply deleted triggers to five numbers which curiously are DOUBLE odds, ie 2x10, etc and curiously these base numbers are grouped in a sixline. CS did not contradict himself despite some obscure terminology.
I have tested out all the ideas CS put forward and they all can have moments of purpose- and I believe an underlying thread which may have suited his goal.
At the very least the little flat bet exercise is a designed to practice when to take profit ( ie asap) and not progress. There may have been other purpose behind it though/
Clearly I am putting a postive spin on this, as I am prepared to give the benefit of the doubt. For those of you who have been through this process before of veiled hints and frustrated leads your patience may have understandably worn thin.
Best Wishes
XXVV
Hi XXVV,
Quote from: commonsense1968 link=topic=1393. msg14728#msg14728 date=1286607198
I will explain the best I can and only once. on the table there are only 9 true evens which are 2,4,6,8,20,22,24,26,28. when 1 of these come out bet on all true oe and eo numbers which are 10,12,14,16,18,21,23,25,27,29,30,32,34,36 and that's a 14 unit bet,you bet only once per true even number. do not bet after 2 true even numbers ie 20,4. wait for the next one. i,m giving you this as a fun system probably better and safer than all systems on this site. no doubt all progressors will have a field day with this but its a disciplened fun way to win. all things and that I give in the time i,m on this site can be tweaked using all of my previous post . the thing that makes thiswork is your self discipline to stop when in a small amount of profit. ENJOY
When you are on something pretty good to produce a bet selection based on triggers you cant in next post remark as follows:
QuoteI forgot to mention out of the true evens you only bet after the double evens which are 20,22,24,26,28 not after 2,4,6,8 this is important your test will show you why
It doesnt sound serious. It is like saying I'm not sure what im talking about. So mate, write it down in the note pad section, maybe someone could have made up your mind.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: carpanta link=topic=1393. msg14696#msg14696 date=1286584971
There are 9 movements
9 8 7
6 5 4
3 2 1
and 3 key times
Key time 1= 1 4 7
Key time 2= 2 5 8
Key time 3= 3 6 9
inside the cube if you play the opposites always you'll have same result:
9+1=10
8+2=10
7+3=10
6+4=10
5+5=10
Then it is reduced to 5 movements
four of them with 8 numbers
one with 4 (5 repeats itself)
Besides you could record EC and speculate with that dominant for whatever EC so as to reduce the bet to 4 numbers. If we follow Common Sense suggestion we could even reduce amount of numbers to put into play just working with numbers with one outcome at least, more than one would be a repeat of course.
A 9 number example:
Numbers Matrix for movements
12 25 32 3 7 8
33 1 34 9 1 7
27 3 15 9 3 6
You read proper outcome of numbers from right to left, upside down, the same for the movement matrix.
For this 9 movements I use numbers so as to have better in mind all 3 key times
so
aa is 1
ab is 2
ac is 3 and so on till cc is 9
Cheers,
Carlos.
Remember you can have the same key times and 9 movements on the wheel and not only on the green carpet. But that is a another issue.
I believe it is clearly explained. What dont you understand XXVV?
Dont you understand that roulette is a game to speculate with?
Speculate over what is showing, repeating and try to see what is failing to appear for whatever reason chance has decided.
Key times are there to be exploited, trying to figure out what they are doing(dance and music, or whatever anology) and so speculating on them to maintain a secuence and/or a frecuence.
Key times are the forest and EC are the trees. Try to accomodate the trees in a particular section of the forest. While doing this you'll see EC's transform into numbers for those sections of the key times you want to put into play.
There is no secure bet but by speculating you might be on the good track to profit the game.
Cheers,
Carlos.
I made the dozens/columns chart as well as the time keys for 3.000 spins
I analyzed then, but couldn't see any connection over then that could be exploit =/
I don't know what I should look for. Can you please provide us some usefull tips Carpanta?
Best regards,
Afonso
@carpanta
Thanks for your reply and really interesting and thought provoking images/analogies.
Will reflect and speculate theron!
Cheers XXVV
@carpanta
Once again thanks for your reply as it forced me to read and re-read your work and it did not need any explanation - but the additional imagery of trees and forest of time and dance and use of numbers is very further helpful.
I am interested in "overlaps", and these sure, can manifest in the patterns you have nominated but there are many other modes as well - all I need is to harness a variable that might provide the key.
Also interested in specific solutions - not asking too much!
I love it when science professionals have to acknowledge that their previous view of the world was too limited - the possibilities are there within our imagination.
Looking forward now to speculation with all these shiny new tools!
Best
XXVV
Quote from: Carsch link=topic=1393. msg15281#msg15281 date=1286839271
That green table layout reminds of the battleship game. One has to find the ships and sink them. ;D
Now, that's an idea for a system. ;D
No, mate. The roulette layout should be the place to follow the battle but the wheel is where the battle takes place. I wouldn't confide a strategy risen from the layout. Thats my 2 cents.
The ball is always landing on the wheel's pockets not on the green carpet.
Dont you read Victor's teachings? He knows perfectly what he is talking about. All of us should listen to him.
Is it a difficult task to put at stake what he claims? Of course it is.
Does anybody think that there is only one good bet selection out of the events to be recorded? Sure there is not only one but many depending on what you are looking for.
Bet selections could overlap themselves when events have common areas, pockets to share among them.
I suggest to put the pockets in order relating them along key times 1 4 7, 2 5 8 and 3 6 9.
It is easy, number 32 belongs to 1 4 7, 15 belongs to 2 5 8, 19 belongs to 3 6 9 and so on.
Think about it.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: carpanta on Oct 11, 07:53 PM 2010
I suggest to put the pockets in order relating them along key times 1 4 7, 2 5 8 and 3 6 9.
It is easy, number 32 belongs to 1 4 7, 15 belongs to 2 5 8, 19 belongs to 3 6 9 and so on.
Think about it.
Cheers,
Carlos.
That if we are using time keys based on dozens/columns.
Otherwise 32 would belong to 2 5 8, 15 to 3 6 9 and 19 to 1 4 7.
Using the wheel I can't find any advantage of using time keys based on dozens/columns instead of using "numeris" time keys.
Maybe I have been using the wrong approach
I will track some spins and use that information.
It possible that something can be exploited using your way :)
Btw,
I pmed you. I would appreciate any answer if it's possible ^^
Best regards,
Afonso
I have a vision of a sort of 4D cube ( it revolves in time) with multi facets per face, and through 'internal force' the facets change and sometimes with a "tendency" to an outcome - not necessarily fixed or totally predictable.
Yes its a game - there is a delight and freedom in watching the outcomes.
Within that apparent random action we sometimes may perceive short term patterns.
We know there can be tendencies signalled because its a closed system.
It is the 'overlapping' of tendencies that can target a short term predictable outcome solution.
Two or better, three tendencies should be sufficient to provide the co-ordinates required.
Just one way of looking at the microscopic world of roulette.
Its a sort of word/ idea matrix as well
Food for thought
XXVV
Quote from: A3on link=topic=1393. msg15291#msg15291 date=1286841583
That if we are using time keys based on dozens/columns.
Otherwise 32 would belong to 2 5 8, 15 to 3 6 9 and 19 to 1 4 7.
Using the wheel I can't find any advantage of using time keys based on dozens/columns instead of using "numeris" time keys.
Maybe I have been using the wrong approach
I will track some spins and use that information.
It possible that something can be exploited using your way :)
by the way,
I pmed you. I would appreciate any answer if it's possible ^^
Best regards,
Afonso
Using my way you can exploit turning your attention to the wheel and make me happy to know you forget about the felt (felt, I like this term over layout, Victor).
Ball movement is most important and it runs on the wheel. What is it doing? Is it favouring a particular key time in last spins? Last key time is repeating? Are they coming alternative?
Outcomes are favouring odd numbers from key times (i. e. 1, 3, 9, 5) while at the same time those outcomes belong to black numbers?
I can speculate like every other human being playing roulette. I dont have a bet to secure every bet selection. This doesnt exist for sure. But putting an order to the pockets let me speculate on more solid ground than playing my friends birdays figures.
Cheers,
Carlos.
For example of various tendencies-why limit ourselves?
On the wheel there can be clear pattern formulation if we say divide the wheel into 4 groups of nine numbers or even 9 groups of four numbers.
In finales, teher can be a tendency for a clustering of outcomes of numbers ending in 1 and 3 for xample ( and include zero number), witha group of numbers ending in7, 8, 9 ( and include 30 number) if we again divide into groups of 9 numbers.
On the table layout and the movements there well why not the matrix of nine areas.
These three tendencies can with practice be monitored quickly and economically.
I demonstrated this to myself once when with a moment of rare clarity I placed one chip on the table on 36R as all three windows on the cosmic slot machine went red cherry and the ball skipped around and landed on 36 Red.
These are tendencies so hard to immediately repeat that spell, but it seems in Nature, events can often cluster, so there can be groups of events when it is like shaking the apple tree and they all fall to be caught, or trapped, as others say.
XXVV
Amongst all the excitement and exchanging of ideas and methodologies which are in the process of being further developed and tweaked and tested, here is some information from the recommendations of CS before his unexpected and unfortunate departure.
You will recall he postulated ( and it is certainly counter to my personal previous belief system ) that 3 Red could be fruitful should you bet Odd after its outcome.
I have been randomly accessing Wiesbaden data from the past 3 months and have prepared what I would consider to be a statistically suitable sample from about 7000 spins.
You will note I have commented before tho how clusters and cycles can temporarily distort from hours to days to weeks and even months of play - cycles within cycles.
The Evens appeared 76 times after 3 Red
The Odds appeared 95 times (ie +19)
Surprisingly in various other smaller samples I have done the scales have tipped this way.
Can anybody comment.
Then to the controversial and curious proposal put to us by CS following an initial post by Carlos.
By following the instructions from the posting by CS, taking into account his 'afterthought', the results of 200 outcomes where on the appearance of 20, 22, 24, 26, 28 - fourteen nominated targets were played, resulted in a not very surprising loss of -316 units, ie 69 wins and 131 losses.
Clearly a REVERSAL of this approach would have resulted in a profit.
However, curiously, if you look at the comment from CS on his added 'afterthought' post -where he suggested the removal of 2,4,6, and 8 from the first list of triggers would be understood by testing, there was a remarkable contrast in results to the first test.
It is possibly statistically insignificant and negligible but by playing just 2, 4, 6, 8 as triggers alone then the results are much better.
After 200 outcomes there were 80 wins and 120 losses
This gave a small win to the method by +80 units.
In summary tho all this may mean is that, as stated, it is a little exercise for that is break even and good for testing and practice of flat staking with taking of profit ( grab it while you can) when available.
Time consuming but I felt it had to be done. Hope I havent missed anything of major consequence.
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Oct 11, 08:26 PM 2010
For example of various tendencies-why limit ourselves?
On the wheel there can be clear pattern formulation if we say divide the wheel into 4 groups of nine numbers or even 9 groups of four numbers.
In finales, teher can be a tendency for a clustering of outcomes of numbers ending in 1 and 3 for xample ( and include zero number), witha group of numbers ending in7, 8, 9 ( and include 30 number) if we again divide into groups of 9 numbers.
(Sorry I need to clarify this - as you can tell it was written in haste -)
This can be one of several clusters of groupings within this frame of finales. In cluster theory there may be say 4 groups of 9 characteristic finales and any two of these four have a tendency to cluster together at a time from short choppy clusters to (dream run) long stable clusters - it is the latter which can provide great opportunity for the overlaps we are seeking because you can combine the stability of one variable with say stability in another and whammo you have a target.
Such was the case with 36 red because it met the criteria I was using of the time of falling on a last street, red, even and 3rd doz and a number ending in 5 or 6, and not in the zero section!!!
Hope that helps. Food for thought.
XXVV
On the table layout and the movements there well why not the matrix of nine areas.
These three tendencies can with practice be monitored quickly and economically.
I demonstrated this to myself once when with a moment of rare clarity I placed one chip on the table on 36R as all three windows on the cosmic slot machine went red cherry and the ball skipped around and landed on 36 Red.
These are tendencies so hard to immediately repeat that spell, but it seems in Nature, events can often cluster, so there can be groups of events when it is like shaking the apple tree and they all fall to be caught, or trapped, as others say.
XXVV
This thread has caught my imagination. There are a lot of experienced players coming together sharing their thoughts here. One point I would like to make though is not to get caught in the trap of thinking that this will produce a 100% winning bet. The 'nature of the beast' always ensures for the dynamics of the game to be forever changing on almost a spin to spin basis. The best I think we can hope for is to be right just a little bit more often than we are wrong. To do this successfully requires having a lot of different information which we can hopefully put together and use to our advantage.
I find myself agreeing with a lot of the opinions offered on this thread.
. The wheel layout is more important than the felt.
. Wins and losses tend to clump together.
. It is possible to group numbers together and this has the effect of making the game seem less daunting a prospect to overcome. This part is what I would consider my speciality subject. Grouping numbers together is great but because of the dynamics of the game as mentioned earlier, I really do feel it is important that you should not use static groups of numbers or charts. They should be able to change on a spin to spin basis if necessary. This can enable us to take advantage of the deviations (both good and bad) within the game more effectively. This is the reason why I mentioned not to get sidetracked into thinking that there is 'one' winning bet. There are actually hundreds of winning bets. The information that we have at our fingertips and the ability for it to flow in rhythm with the game will determine our fate.
I really hope this thread continues. I think we can all benefit and improve our games to the next level.
Quote from: flukey luke on Oct 12, 02:35 PM 2010
This thread has caught my imagination. There are a lot of experienced players coming together sharing their thoughts here. One point I would like to make though is not to get caught in the trap of thinking that this will produce a 100% winning bet. The 'nature of the beast' always ensures for the dynamics of the game to be forever changing on almost a spin to spin basis. The best I think we can hope for is to be right just a little bit more often than we are wrong. To do this successfully requires having a lot of different information which we can hopefully put together and use to our advantage.
I find myself agreeing with a lot of the opinions offered on this thread.
. The wheel layout is more important than the felt.
. Wins and losses tend to clump together.
. It is possible to group numbers together and this has the effect of making the game seem less daunting a prospect to overcome. This part is what I would consider my speciality subject. Grouping numbers together is great but because of the dynamics of the game as mentioned earlier, I really do feel it is important that you should not use static groups of numbers or charts. They should be able to change on a spin to spin basis if necessary. This can enable us to take advantage of the deviations (both good and bad) within the game more effectively. This is the reason why I mentioned not to get sidetracked into thinking that there is 'one' winning bet. There are actually hundreds of winning bets. The information that we have at our fingertips and the ability for it to flow in rhythm with the game will determine our fate.
I really hope this thread continues. I think we can all benefit and improve our games to the next level.
---Nice post.
First post,34 min.on line and so well informed about the matter,and
sounds like a real know how to solve this.Very anxious to see further results.
Thanks F.L. for your excellent observations.
You are absolutely correct when you state that any winning method must be dynamic and be able to adapt to change/ random shifts if necessary spin by spin.
Nevertheless it is my observation that the dynamics of the game, the random power shifts enable not only dramatic and unpredictable shifts, but also relatively short phases of what we might term patterns that can be recognised and interpreted if we are 'in the zone'.
You could use the analogy of weather maps - they are a great way of bringing visual order, understanding and some level of prediction to a complex and dynamic system. We can read calm and we can read storm. Where would you rather be? One area you can harvest, another means trouble.
Cluster analysis is one way of spotting patterns that might be invisible to an onlooker who is not looking below the surface yet is standing watching a game of roulette.
I think it is unwise to suggest one field is better than any other, ie the wheel better than the felt, better than several other more abstract modes.
I will give you an example.
Consider the table layout and its dozens and columns. we know for a fact that clusters of coded detail from these can provide short term sequences which can be read and turned to profit.
The twelve street patterns (say for example 1,2 and 3 being A together with
13,14,15 then 25,26,27) can be broken into 4 groups ABCD.
You will find that these clusters group in short phases two at a time, and the patterns can be profitably interpreted from.
There are many other ways on the table.
These patterns mostly transcend any dealer change and are as valuable as any patterns derived from division of the wheel layout.
Why you would suggest one source is more reliable or superior to another beats me. They all come and go.
I see the game as a constant shifting of windows and doors of opportunity that open and close often without notice although trigger mechanisms can signal change to help us catch a winning bet - of course not necessarily every spin, far from it. However, who is to say that might not be possible.
There are phases of play that can range over several spins ( even a dozen) where profit can be harvested through some factors temporarily overlapping before they shift.
You are absolutely correct to say that we should flow in rhythm with the game - thats great. That is part of the best approach that winners practice.
However I dont want us to lose sight of what CS correctly stated at the outset of this thread and that is we need to use Common Sense to think freely and cut through a lot of misconceptions and prejudices, and just be clear and direct. Why limit yourself? There are lots of fresh ways of looking at things and we have touched on only a few. Thanks to those who have posted several fresh ideas. But why limit yourself to making only just a little more than break even?
Winning is not a fluke.
We are trying to find better and better ways all the time to grow our skills and knowledge of this game. This Forum is a great opportunity for that.
Cheers
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV link=topic=1393. msg15497#msg15497 date=1286917110
I think it is unwise to suggest one field is better than any other, ie the wheel better than the felt, better than several other more abstract modes.
It probably stems from my time experimenting with different ideas to try and exploit the wheel layout. The debate has raged on for ages about dealers signature. The testing that I conducted did show that you could get periods which were stable if you took release point into account and the final destination of where the ball landed.
I have many charts showing the distance that the ball travelled which seem to indicate that you can get a lot of short term clustering. It was fascinating to see a burst of 'hot pockets' as opposed to hot numbers and then watch it go somewhere else and see the same sort of temporary bias in a new location.
However, on saying that, I certainly take your point on board that it is unwise to have any preconceived ideas which attract more importance over anything else. All options need to be open in such a dynamic game.
Time to step off the train for a while as I am about to embark on a lengthy campaign of live casino play to tune, test and tweak many ideas.
I want to thank Victor for what he has done, his own writings, and all the posters who contribute to this thread, and to several other great features on this site.
It is only now that I have read the full and seamless thread of 13 pages and realise there was some material from CS I somehow missed first time round. Some of the negative stuff however I was glad to have missed. CS certainly polarised a few and raised a few spectres from the past, rightly or wrongly.
Nevertheless, I am very grateful for all that has been provided and the experience has been of considerable benefit, triggering many new creative links in thinking and I hope I may have been able to share some of that with you.
Good fortune to all!
XXVV
Have returned from a short and successful trip and have seen an interesting parallel thread on DNA of Roulette. Am very familiar with this and encourage matrix readers and theorists to see this work.
Needs to be simplified in rules and to have consistent simple terminology as is used on this thread. The writer is onto to something and the triggers he uses sometimes have spectacularly successful outcomes. However we require consistency and the earlier versions of DNA were unreliable as based on too limited data. Answer required is a better method to handle and trap randomness.
Am currently working on some further trigger ideas for the matrix as proposed by CS. Have found live application to date remarkable successful.
XXVV
Hi XX.
Do u only play at Bricks and Mortar, or do u play at live wheels online?
If so, which one's?
Cheers XXVV
Chris
Live live only.
No need for the other stuff with risk of hi-tech manipulation or even risk of loss of electronic feed.
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Oct 25, 06:01 PM 2010
Live live only.
No need for the other stuff with risk of hi-tech manipulation or even risk of loss of electronic feed.
XXVV
--Well and truly said,without hurting anybodys believes.
Good on ya mate.
If you follow this thread and review some key earlier posts from CS wrt matrix bet selection you will see several trigger selection nominations from CS.
Added to that was my own initial idea for a trigger before I had access to the full thread and all posts from CS in one location. All these have already been described.
Overall there are four options which set up live play following a variable passage of virtual play.
All betting is penultimate cycle.
To date I have had considerable success applying these and your efforts to test these ideas would be very rewarding for all who are passionate enough to win consistently.
It is early days yet as I would not publish any results until the full 30 x 100 spins are completed, on all four approaches. I have a lot of work ahead!
But I will add this suggestion.
Not only can you play for great efficiency with just 4 inner numbers ( using as little as 2 chips per live spin) - with this we will need a point at which we need to stop should there be no win within 9 spins(or sooner). There may be a trigger and stop within a live phase ( I have an idea for this). At other times you may find wins cluster - sometimes spectacularly!
But in addition, and with great promise there is another way as well which may overlap with the first method - this is to play the target dozen and column bet as an outside bet with the same trigger as above, This method has the benefit of making +1 unit when coming close to one of the target inside numbers. This is the 'close but' you can have 'your cigar' as well approach.
If you play the outside bets at a higher unit value than the inside bet you may have a sensible buffer bet. Or you can just play it alone.
There are times - and CS did refer to it - you have to go back and decipher his compressed suggestions- when your selections reverse - this might be a signal for stop/ start. Its a bit like a mirror mechanism sometimes.
When you are used to it its very simple.
There are some interesting parallels here with the potentially valuable and interesting work with the DNA of Roulette thread. This is simpler.
All betting is flat stake - there is no need for any other approach, or risk exposure.
CS earlier referred to a ratio of wins to losses which although postive was in his opinion not good enough as the loss phase might wipe out a bank. So there must be ways to increase effectiveness. Working on that also.
Hope this helps and anticipate replying with results in a few days.
XXVV
The matrix formation must be variable in itself, even if we have stubbled
(almost inevitably so) onto one of the many ways that the wheel *functions*.
For me, there may well be 'X'-number of Matrix's (Matrices) (prob more like Matrii)
within the scope of the available play, and perhaps the more interesting initial
theory could be *honed out* in RNG. (and Slingshot wheels)
For instance.
If u where an RNG programmer, would u not perhaps design means of moving the ball spins around the table in an apparent *random* method, but actually controlling the output very carefully. Thus, a Matrix system is born.
For real wheels, The Matrix/) movements, must be a function of the cosmos!
So.....................how to tap into the cosmos eh?
Interesting,
You can go down the path of Numeris et al.
I love the pretty diagrams and some have real Power.
Yes the matrix may just be a slice of life- a quantum unit if you like- at this time. The framework is there - then we select the triggers and actions by trial and error.
Nevertheless we have an innate ability that is intuition. Work with that.
Trust that. We can be in tune with whatever we choose, good or bad, highest or lowest.
To be specific I like Simplicity as it is a refinement as Art.
Engineering always refines to an essence and hence is elegant and beautiful.
There is no need to complicate for the sake of it. In design I call it false complexity. The earlier framework of construction gets stripped away in due course.
In this case we have an engineered model, the matrix as set out to date, that works as a prototype - lets use it. The 'key' to tuning the accuracy of the answers to me is a bit like tuning the racing engine - step by step, overlay with overlay but I suspect and have been advised, it gets easier. Beware short term reverse engineering however.
To me the analogy is like climbing the hill to see whats on the other side - as you move closer to the summit the gradient eases and there are glimpses ahead of the vista and harvest beyond. In this case our goal is to win plenty through wise and accurate selection and management.
Let the results speak for themselves in due course. This will be my last post for a while.
XXVV
Show me (and obvi the whole forum) just a small slice of how u go about
seeing/choosing/spotting the triggers?
Just if u can, using Ur previous trips, show us a small
detail/sketch of the relationsship between the Movements, and how to identify the next move.
i have just had a very interesting game on Eurogrand Live wheel.
0.10-15.00 unit table limits which is perfect for trying out new ideas.
After a dealer change, and using a drawing i have in front of me of the wheel, i could actually *see* the layout of the dealers spin ballistics and *guess* the approx are of the next landing.
She (the dealer) was spinning approx 40% + on the opposite side of the previous spin.
So i won a few hands as i laid down a minefield of flat bets to cover the expectant result.
OK, till next dealer comes along.
Some girl dealers are very consistant in their spinning action. :wink:
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 26, 04:21 PM 2010
Some girl dealers are very consistant in their spinning action. :wink:
Quite! I've noticed that. Call it the dealer signature, if you will. I see it as their personality energy of the moment being expressed on the game itself. For example, i'll see a dealer spinning a same color most of the time; another dealer comes, and that will change maybe to the other color, or chops, or a mixture of everything. Last time, i had noticed this dealer spinning all numbers from two dozens but the other dozen. That was consistent for the whole time he dealt. Another dealer came in, everything changed right away.
Urgent business requires me to be away now for a prolonged period.
@chrisbis- if you read my last posts more carefully and review the earlier pages of the thread where CS refers to matrix, and then later two different approaches to triggers, all the information you will need ( at least to make a great start) is there. No hints, but pure gold.
All the other playing instructions are in my post if you read it very carefully.
Regarding 'Dealers Signature' - I consider it irrelevant. Most patterns that lie below the surface which can be profitably mined transcend any dealer change. The pretty dealer is just a further distraction.
In the 3 sets of 6 repeats that I observed - what are the odds in probability theory- astronomical- yet in real life in live casinos - observed three times within 12 years - yet in every case they changed dealers mid way. It had no effect! Dont ever play RNG and remember time lapse controls used in 'live' sports feeds - dont play 'live' video casinos. Save your money.
Good Hunting
XXVV
i too have been studying this way of play. they are lots of things happening within this matrix. i,ve noticed that you don,t seem to get a lot of repeats of the same section per 100 spins ie any of the 9 segments don,t repeat much at all.
i,ve also noticed that segments also reverse themselves so many per 100 spins ie ab would come out ba on the next spin,etc.
also aa bb cc seem to be more related to each other than should be. when one of them appears the same one or any of the two others seem to be not far behind.
also looking a bit further into the numbers the black numbers in column 2 seem to produce more red numbers straight after than they should.
also if any of the other segments with a different letter and not a double letter ie ab or ca you can get a lot of wins on the letter that doesn,t appear. for example if ab comes out you could bet on doz c col c to catch the change in the matrix. the key i think is in the timing. would you wait for a repeat ie ab ab or ab,ba to come out 1st then bet doz c col c i,m still looking into this.
Welcome to the forum, 6th.
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May you have a long and prosper stay.
@6Th Sense.
Welcome. :)
Interesting Hypotheses.
And i'll leave it at a welcome.
crhisbis no disrespect but you need to study like me and vvxx and i,m not a newbie in terms of roulette. dealer signatures is a fallacy or all pro players would be playing in the same casino with the same dealers then become known to the pitboss if it was possible, i thought you was more into bots? how could we learn together if you want me to guide you through something you should have studied more yourself. no disrespect so please don,t take offence
Offence taken, but i learn quick.
Cheers 6
In defense of dealer signature.
There IS the possibility of finding wheels with a dominant drop that do enable it (Hybrid signature).
Remember dear friends: Roulette is both a physical device and a statistical game.
Regarding the dealer signature debate, I like to think each party is right on their own court.
Physical-approach players are doing good by tracking the dealers. There are physical events that are undeniable, and the correlation of the release point being the point from which to count ball revolutions is out of debate. A full revolution is measure precisely by it. The speed of the ball and the amount of revolutions it makes around the bowl is directly proportional to the strength applied by the dealer. Some dealers do throw consistently, and make those elements more predictable, which assist in getting the Visual prediction right. Some might say knowing the dealer and its regular applied force is very important since it is directly related to the time to lay bets after release.
If you are playing the physical game, there are no doubts you must be tracking those dealers.
On the other hand, statistical players are doing good by ignoring the dealer, since it doesn't matter for the statistical game, only the actual distribution of the numerical sample does. It could be a trained monkey dealing and it couldn't matter the less.
Bottom line is there are no absolute truths in roulette.
If you ask a sample of players, you will get those who swear by the martingale!
Kind regards and do keep the healthy debate.
Victor
Quote from: VLS on Oct 28, 06:48 PM 2010
It could be a trained monkey dealing and it couldn't matter the less.
Victor
Coming soon to a casino near you! ;D
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Quote from: flukey luke on Oct 28, 07:08 PM 2010
Coming soon to a casino near you! ;D
ahaha, I wonder if they would have "Monkey's Signature" :D
Nice bit of moderate intervention there Victor.
I came here (landing at planet Roulette Forum .cc) to seek a greater understanding in
both the physical, and the statistical game of Roulette.
I respect, and appreciate, the need to learn the game merits and idiosyncraces
for one-self, at the same time tho, hoping that the breadth of experience gleaned
by other players in all lands far and wide, would promote a common interface
of approach and understanding.
I love reading the whole variety of ideas and systems laid down in forums such as this
(hey, there are a good handful of them to choose from), (forums I mean!)
and I intend to lay a few down myself, just as soon as I have caught up with the several hundred Unread threads that are this virginal.
Its great to see new posters, i just hope they share their ideas openly, widely and to a greater degree, honestly. The study of this hobby/investment sport is constant, infinite, and as expensive as the universe it live sin.
@6Th. I'll study hard sunshine, even greater than before.
Now lets have a look at those spin numbers XXVV sent over- where did put them..........
chrisbis regarding wwvv he didn,t have to give you any numbers y don,t you download some and spell them out a b c fashion as has been shown? its not hard to do. i think my first post has shared more than anything you,ve posted to date. write the numbers down and study its as simple as that. xxvv gave some pointers and i gave what i have found in plain english for everyone to shortcut through and learn. i think you should maybe start a thread on dealer signature,casino,s there at and the stats for each individual do this and then give me some results and who and where to look to back your claims up the same as you ask everyone else to do for you? i,m eagerly awaiting so i can check them out
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 28, 06:08 PM 2010
Crhisbis no disrespect but you need to study like me and vvxx and I'm not a newbie in terms of roulette.
6th sense, i'm gonna take offense - well, not really. But why should anyone study like you or anyone else? Now, that's complete nonsense.
As for dealer signature, maybe you should start paying a bit more attention when playing roulette. Ever played BlackJack? Ever noticed how different dealers can have a different effect on the game? Well, think about it. Being a gambler, one better keep an open mind.
carsh we are on about roulette not blackjack,and yes i do study the game of roulette,not nonsence at all,time and effort pays well. dealer signature is a fallacy
Well, that is your opinion, 6th sense, and that is fine. But it's your opinion........not everyone's opinion. :)
it sure is carsh,does certain wagering on a system proven to win more than it loses like cs is telling us make us gamblers do you think
I have yet to see what cs has to show us. So far it's just air. ;D
But i'm here, and open. ;)
i think most of the stuff on here is just air myself. everyone seems to be going around in circles juggling the streets,n6,doz col high and low etc then giving them a cool name and betting strategies stop losses to boot. i do like the red black approaches i must admit,and also the divisor system,which i have a simple program of it,which divises 2,3,6,8,12,18 automatically for you. saves a lot of working out,i,ll see if victor will let me upload it if i,m able to figure how to do it so you can all use it
Been away for a while on business but have continued a lot of private study exclusively with matrix ideas - some of which I can advise show good positive results on flat betting over 30 sessions at 100 spins. Some show very good results, you just need to sit and watch the results at the live casinos for several days and fresh ideas will open to you.
You will appreciate full testing is very time consuming. However I cannot emphasise enough how rewarding it is to see the ebb and flow of results and feel you are eventually getting somewhere. A full test is necessary to see a bigger picture.
As CS stated the way forward, after you have a good technique to start, is to find a way to increase the win ratios ( eg better than 18W to 12L) by selection and tuning of a methodology so any bank does not have to encounter a long run of losing games flat staking!
This is possible and requires lateral thinking.
I will say there are dozens of worthwhile methods that open up if you put in the effort and the path you follow will reward you. Dont ask me for the detail map but am delighted to encourage others who have the passion to explore.
Off to test and tune with a week of live casino play very soon, and hope to be able to post some results after that.
Cheers XXVV
I can add a little bit of specific detail here which may help those who are following this thread, based on a lot of successful live B+M in last 2 weeks.
By watching and waiting and using the matrix as a tool to focus on a specific way of modelling outcomes, you will note that a grouping of results will occur which seem to thrive on penultimate patterns, but sometimes consecutive also, in a small section of the table.
This can be from as few as 4 numbers to perhaps 9.
You can reinforce this by watching dominant patterns in EC outcomes also or even dominant sections of the wheel.
These outcomes may flow for a few spin cycles or occasionally for much longer periods if you have the patience to fish for these.
This will make sense in the context of what has been written prior on this thread.
Hope this assists.
XXVV
Here is an illustration to the above from live casino play this morning......
36
36
29
29
21
25
35
15
3
36
3
23
26
28
28
4
33
20
5
14
24
35
18
26
35
0
17
21
26
33
11
27
11
29
18
15
21
33
27
When this is set out in the individual coulumns and color coded for EC bets then the penultimate patterns become clearer.
I will not go into too much detail but the trigger for action is really the second 3. on one beat, and the 14 on another beat.
hits
35
26
0
17
26
11
11
33
27
18
15
21
33
27
A key is not to be too literal. However there is are column dominance patterns and there are penultimate beats.
Sometimes there are lateral thinking clues also like the three targets in the third dozen -26.32.35- that are zero section and central column ( and remember the earlier 3 as a trigger - a sign of penultimate action) so you would include zero in your bets.
I believe you can integrate wheel section bet analysis with this matrix and the overlaps that are sometimes there, and I emphasise sometimes, can lead you to a string of hits that you can help you do very well in a short burst.
I hope this helps you. It is necessary to be very alert and very calm when playing. Also when the phase comes to an end be sure to stop and take profit.
Best
XXVV
I can add a little more after last night live play at the casino.
This may then be as far as I can go without spelling it out, but in my mind, there is no doubt using this my favoured approach can sometimes bring in a rich harvest. The 'sometimes' is that this particular pattern phenomenon, and there are many others you can find, manifests from time to time, and often clusters as with many natural phenomena. It varies in its strength of appearance but it pays to take full advantage of the manifestation and attack once a trigger signal is observed. I have previously explained this.
There is plenty of fine literature on how to sensibly but aggresively bet, setting aside profit as you go.
What I add now is that sometimes the penultimate pattern may actually be a double beat, ie every second spin but every second cycle also, as a trigger, and then you can look for similar future rhythms.
It would be helpful if anyone could add their positive experiences to this thread.
This is a method based on the matrix setout and targetting four only numbers but the betting has to be triggered by an example of a penultimate cycle hit and then can be played out over a further period or cycle of beats. I usually play nine. If there is a hit, I continue the play but always use discretion and judgement. That is why this method is not a black and white easily programmable method. I emphasise it is flat betting.
Discretion is a fuzzy logic.
Hope the above helps.
I will take a break for a while now and will post some new thoughts in a couple of weeks. Thanks for all those on this Forum who are genuinely and sincerely working to help progress winning methods. There seems to be a real growth phase. It is great to see progress by the team with Don in Sri Lanka who is really genuine in his desire to produce a better and better method. I believe the work with dozens and columns is extremely promising. Of course it is the intersection of such outside bets that gives the matrix its four targets.
Best
XXVV
Hello XXvv.
I am still keeping up with this thread since I feel it a subject I'll continue to be interested in for a long time to come.
I see from the numbers U posted earlier, that U mentioned the trigger point, but remains unclear, is what are the laws governing that being a trigger?
In a sense, I know the wheels ball/spin returns are going to change, and it going to perform a different merry dance around the table/wheel (Its the wheel its dancing around),
but how do I spot that change point/moment?
I have observed the real wheel (live on-line is as close to getting near one at the mo), and intuitively, I can sense that the sequence is going to change, even to the point of saying to myself, or i my head, "Its going to do this now,"... or..... "Its changing to that play now"
But how do I define that point, accurately, positively, and graphically?
So, herein lays the original question XX, How did U know, that the #3 was a trigger moment?
Yours Interestingly, Chris
Thanks for you ongoing interest Chris.
The trigger point need not be complicated at all. In this particular version of several possibilities that the matrix as a tool opens, I am playing penultimate cycle repeats in a section of the matrix.
In this case it was ac, and 3 is a good example of that. So if the cycle beat offers a repeat on this beat then for several cycles following I monitor this, and play goes live. 3 followed 3 on penultimate bet or it could just as usefully been 6, 9 or 12.
There is some trial and error but I usually play up to 9 cycles or until a hit. If a hit I keep betting, and will continue until I sense that things are cooling or I have my session target profit. Sometimes it will go to a part win and you need to keep track of the flow.
Last night in live play there was an insane series of outcomes that would defy random action - it just shows that in the short term just about anything can happen. I will post these outcomes tomorrow but there were massive opportunities for profit.
I overlap this matrix bet selection with other methods I have previously developed. It is in the overlaps that great opportunities occur. Also it is necessary to be quick on your toes to respond to the dance. And in the most recent experience there was another application of the matrix tool that provided spectacular short term results. Ten wins in a row.
Note these are often short term opportunities.
Hope this assists, always a pleasure.
XXVV
glad Ur still posting on the Matrix zone, and alike,
......and I'm so glad U called it a "Dance", ..............because that's just how I see it.
Just got to learn the steps to its routine,
and know when it changing from a Cha-Cha to a Waltz!!
Keep up the good work forum Fellow.
Pm or email any-time.
This is not the crazy spin series I referred to - I will post that another time but this is from last night and shows a neat simple example of what I am targetting :
29
29
27
28
9
13
27 trigger
33
36 hit
3
36 hit
21
26
32
28
6....... note emphasis on 3rd column and also 3rd dozen more generally
Nice simple passage. Easy to read if you set it out in columns and matrix code.
Hope this helps
XX V V
This will be my last post for a while as there is a lot of travel ahead. However here is that crazy sequence earlier referred to.
1
30
13
10
16 trigger
13
6
10
30
9
20
13
21
18
36
36
10
10
4
4
10
20
24
17
4
22
7 the first column dominance didnt end there but this was the core session
Notice the penultimate and consequel hits on the first col and first dozen. On one matrix method there were 8 hits in this sequence ( all in col a) and on another matrix method which is not hard to find in the last 13 spins there were 11 hits!
I emphasise these are short term phenomena but they recur in clusters themselves then may go cool. Nearby tables may then offer fresh opportunities.
It is not black and white, it is a little lateral, a little fuzzy, a little grey, but when you get used to looking for key trigger characteristics such as the first 13 and 16, and then be flexible enough to extend the pattern to the first dozen, there are rich pickings. When overlapped with other warm / hot number criteria then this was a classic.
Good Hunting
XX V V
Am exploring applications now for EC betting - the matrix work can have Doz and Col successful application but I am trying now to find best ways for more professional betting with threads interweaving on the fascinating work by Compa and possible use of the Don's method when it is eventually fully trialed, fully on a large sample base and simplified to its essence.
I am very grateful to those individuals for being so open and generous with their work to benefit us all.
My own testing of a promising EC bet - an 'unbeatable bet' came unstuck on game 200 of 300 tests with an unplayable* 414 spins from Wiesbaden. When you are playing any form of progression - no matter how disguised or rationalised one failure is catastrophic. Thanks for testing!
Oddly coming out of that disaster I am looking to reverse a previous assumption and that MAY be a breakthrough.
There is no doubt that some matrix situations can favour/ trigger and load a particular dozen / wheel section and column. Also an EC loading. Therefore will continue to explore overlap theory and update soon.
Looking for simplicity, consistency, lacl of volatility and preferably flat staking where at all possible.
Good Fortune
XX V V
The assumption made by the inventor of an ingenious EC negative progression staking programme who modestly claimed the method was unbeatable was in error.
First the progression was fallible and secondly the choice to always play opposite of previous spin was the wrong one. Same is a more common outcome as streaks flow longer than chops change.
XXVV
There appear to be at times long stable runs of streaky outcomes in selection of direct Red or Black ( or possibly also the reverse) from Compa's triggers in column three when tested over 5000 spins recently.
Such stable outcome opportunities can give +5 to +8 unit opportunities for those who know what they are doing.
Such results as these, what more do you need or want....
XX V V
Hey X, I enjoy reading your posts because of the insight you provide.
Is your most recent test/revelation also based on the premise of flat betting?
Can you please share with us the triggers that Compa has talked about. I cant seem to find that thread. Thanks
Thanks Big EZ
Pleasure. The reference is Bet Selection page 2 and Holy Grail by Compa. Brilliant and observed like so may matrix type phenomena comes in clusters but recently over 4000 live spins recorded in 80-100 spin sessions, the black trigger provided a swing to black by 5.2% which is significant.
This is of course flat betting because real professional play cannot use any other way * - the risks of catastrophic failure are just not needed when unit value may be very high.
* that is XXVV personal view
The plays were targetted for one spin only. Of course there are numerous suggested progressions for playing from 3 to 6 outcomes but they all tempt fate. Many report success.
The triggers suggested by Compa, if he will permit me to reveal are as follows :
6 15 24 33 for black to follow ( and reverse for red to follow)
3 9 12 18 21 27 30 36 for red to follow ( and reverse for black to follow)
Clause should be added here that you should do your own live testing only at B+M casino or you may research Wiesbaden data, prior to your personal live real play.
My observation is that there is merit in this method when play is timely. For the reverse to also show success at times indicates play may often be choppy when third column presents. When play is not timely then quickly change - do not force it.
Hope this helps
XXVV
These are exciting times.
Learning from a new thread on re-activated "Law of the Third" with great contributions from posters, I have noticed particularly that ideas can be developed and extended when you attempt to express them more and more, and the clearer they become - this may be visually, or in words, or in other media. It is a subtle art and it is a great Quest.
I think that is why so many become quite emotionally charged with the hunt. It can become a passion, or more. We care.
Some writers on roulette have contributed so much in their mathematics and/or in the world of creativity by stating an idea - based on some insight and then testing that in direct physical experience at the wheel, then adjusted the idea or discarded it. It starts with a vision. As we say "I see".
What I am finding is that by intense study and application in theory and in practice, we receive help ( if we ask for it), and the spirit of good will and encouragement within this forum at this time is remarkable. The resources here are formidable. It is like a massive resource toolbox. Full of promise.
OK
am trying to formulate and synthesise this commonsense thread (thanks CS)
into sufficient specifics to enable us to move forward with say four types of bet. There is a goal and end in sight. Results will be published in due course, and if successful outline method will be described. This exercise will take time.
I like to oscillate from the general to the specific to endeavour to take in the big picture and the detail. Hence the extended analogy with fuzzy work has been useful and thanks to posters has been shown to be very practical as well.
I have been reminded by one of my local colleagues that no bet alone *can deal with the tests/ opportunities that randomness and the true nature of roulette provides. It needs to be part of a series which may be a set of rules/ triggers/ devices to best handle the flow.
* always open to correction of course!
The bet types I want to try to harness.....and I am sharing my goals with you....these are works in progress.
a. a simple quite general bet ( and sequence) which can deal with the big picture yet can be adjusted sufficiently with pre worked rules to reliably produce a positive return. outside bets. triggers may restrict live play to 50% of outcomes or less.
The trade off may be a slower rate of winning a unit, but the unit , if flat staked can be relatively high value and can be systematically increased. A realistic goal is to parlay or earn say 5-10% return on a session bank and compound this. I have a little inner game here and I try to beat my previous record but so far the best was when I fell at the 13th fence, and that was a little while back.
b. a fuzzy bet which again flat staked and monitored with discipline may cover say 4 inside bet targets. short sequences of max 9 spins. matrix work and threads.
c. perhaps a bet of 8- 16 numbers, again avoiding any progression but factoring stable EC patterns of R/B and H/L/ and or Doz/Col short term stabilities, or a moving window based on the random phenomenon of some repeats and some sleepers ( so called Law of the Third). Short passages of play.
d. an EC bet with a spreader bet selection and ABWAB method and (dare I say it) a stepped negative progression to enable a +1 unit profit per sequence which can provide average of +5 units gain per hour. Key is to bet SAME. This will only proceed live if I am satisfied with 3 x 3 x 10 sessions at 100 spins approx. and 100% success.
Now these are four different approaches all touched on earlier in this thread and work is underway right now to test out these ideas before attempting to apply them to live B+M.
Ambitious. Yes.
XXVV
Ambitious, - always (the nature of the player and the game combined I think)
Tho nothing short of what is achievable.
Happy testing.
(edit- Item d. sounds like maybe given the title- Ambush, or Dandy Highwayman.
(waiting for the event to happen- Inevitably)
Stand and Deliver indeed!
part d is ploughing through the wiesbaden countryside like a highwayman's rapier and pistol set...
Cheers xxvv
I had to think carefully about it but I now know what the symbol Chris sent :
L for LIFE in the fast lane! Of course . This is it.
Stand and Deliver!
Pay up!
Hopefully all this knowledge can be directed somewhat subversively but not too obviously at the B+M casinos. Leave the internet lot alone - that can subsidise our winnings!
Dangerous talk! Walk the talk!
OK we shall see in the days and weeks ahead. Clearly a lot of progress has been made on bet a. - especially this week - and bet d is going well but with a small adjustment to speed up closure of an outstanding debit in reducing a progression balance - refer Martin Blakey and his great work as a mathematician and professional roulette player in Melbourne, Australia.
Update after live casino testing at end of week.
L
X
XVV
X
I have been reviewing some of Compas work and it is some pretty powerful stuff. One of his methods I have tested so far for 10 sessions with a tweak on something and so far 0 losing sessions over the 10 compared to 2 losing with all the original guidelines. It also should be noted that in each session there were draw downs to the bankroll but it ALWAYS recovered (at least so far)I should be finished hand testing the rest of the sessions in a couple of days if the time permits. Thanks for pointing me in this direction. I will report back with my findings and we can get more into detail after we see what the big picture looks like.
Big Ez
Fab EZ
Really helpful tnx
XXVV
Whilst Ur testing- can U briefly outline the "Tweak" U have eluded to?
Then others can review Compa work too, and when they catch up, they can see if figures and testing results tally with Ur findings?
The tweak is in the form of the progression, not the method itself.
If you have to progress at all, the form of the progression both in and out is critical. Expand it slowly but close it as quickly as possible using parlay or runs of 3 or 4 to close out with mathematical precision. Refer Blakey book.
xxvv
While now playing at B+M, I am enjoying H+R *
My little game is to compound the risk bank by at least +10% per session.
Trying for a record run. Power of compounding is formidable - you dont have to make play complicated!
Good technique to apply if clocked live is to follow the matrix triggers for just one hit. Sometimes there may be two triggers on different beats on different sections of the matrix. Easy way to quickly scoop a modest unit win, but unit value can gradually be increased.
* to add to the schedule : hit and run : guerilla warfare in the casino
XX V V
Got to ten in the series with several sessions only 1 or 2 spins.
For example this... an example of looking at a cluater of street patterns and an aa matrix....
0
32
15
19
8
1
20
1
26
1 ....... number 1 was a great target. all play was virtual until one spin and hit on 1 - note the penultimate cycle beat.
A nice example. Somedays there may be several, others, few.
XXVV
For those readers who have followed this post from the beginning and have read some of the ideas suggested by CS you may now like to cross refer to the thread commenced by Chris on betting for the future. With recent posts on that thread there is some information that may be of considerable help in developing a further succesful bet. Much work will be required.
However I use the acronym ROBE and BORE to focus this area of attention.
XXVV
Note that all EC's are involved ( a response to those who think one is more significant than the others) and that dozen play may also be interlinked or overlapped for a bet method that has outside bet application.
Yet it is column dozens that can be used well with the matrix bet for inside bet application.
XXVV
Here is an insane sequence from the B+M today.
Would you encounter this on RNG as frequently as these opportunities are found live??
34
1
1
1
3
15
28
I bet 12 or 35 here and possibly 3 - a street pattern trigger and outcome
35
35
35
32
35
0 nice way to end it all
Matrix, wheel sections, street patterns, penultimate betting, all assiting
XXVV
Here is another 'common sense' observation from the candyshop casino.
To take full advantage of the goodies on offer we have to be very wide eyed and bushy tailed when commencing.
what's on offer today? could be a prime question.
For example a friend of mine was yesterday describing his experiences playing live one evening and experienced the familar syndrome we call 'tunnel vision' with total focus one one method which was breaking even.
However he failed to notice, and did not realise till reviewing his data in a 'post mortem' analysis that the dealers at his table had been consistently spinning repeats throughout the evening. In 80 spins a remarkable 12 repeats. The expectation of course is 1 in 37. So to be gifted 1 in 6.5 is an aexample of short term cycle patterns randomness offers us.
I once clocked one of my favourirte casinos for a month. Over that time the astonishing average was 1 in 29 spins and I had been alerted to this by just noticing quite a few repeats casually. I monitored 5000 live spins.
A year later of course it was around 1 in 42 spins average.
Cycles within cycles. But the message is to be alert!!!
What can be simpler than just flat staking and playing the previous spin win.
XXVV
Just got back after 2 weeks of live play and as usual gone into review mode and self appraisal - what could have been done better. Some fantastic achievements and some silly errors. Adding to the black book of lists of what to do and what not to do.
Have the luxury now of 2 weeks of testing and development of better methods with lashings of Christmas qualities.
The testing of the four approaches earlier mentioned continues and the big realisation is the need to find an attack bet that can handle all circumstances. From hostile/ clinical dealers/ adverse chops and runs ( a universal bet) to adverse casino conditions / three soundtracks running simultaneously plus a live band ( earplug solution) to mistakes made by the player ( keep it simple).
To the reader this may sound trite but I realise now more than ever it is necessary to have a simple proven bet and not to even bother to attend unless you first have this. I guess that is just common sense.
My approach now is to focus on the selection of this bet from several bets currently being tuned/ tested and use this as the primary income earner.
Then the exotics ( matrix betting/ threads/ clustering) which can produce outstanding results sometimes, but still notoriously fuzzy and volatile, can be fueled/ subsidised from a small proportion of net winnings, and they can be parlayed aggressively when the opportunities arise which I find to be about 40-50% of the time. The remaining sessions can be allowed to fizz at no net loss. ( Some may choose to edit any other form of betting - this is surely engineering refinement.)
By approaching prioritisation this way you need never have another losing session/ day. However don't start till you are fully prepared. This is my advice to myself! Will update on best suggested 'universal' methods (outline only) over the next couple of weeks. It will be up to the individual to fine tune/ develop their personal bet.
XXVV
XXVV, thank you for your latest post. You certainly add a lot of depth to the discussion.
I like your approach to the game. It certainly sounds like you plan things meticulously before an attack on the casino.
Having a 'bread and butter' earner is sound logic while looking out for the big catch. I have recently adopted this strategy myself. It is unrealistic to expect big wins every other day. On the other hand, I don't think it is unrealistic to at the very least break even. This mindset has really improved my bottom line and also takes a lot of pressure away if you are playing the game as more than just a hobby.
cheers
Thanks F/L
The truth is I now see more and more clearly the need to plan ahead more fully. Can understand why the professionals encourage this. It is a reality check. Thanks for your added positive comments. XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Dec 22, 08:38 PM 2010
Thanks F/L
The truth is I now see more and more clearly the need to plan ahead more fully. Can understand why the professionals encourage this. It is a reality check. Thanks for your added positive comments. XXVV
It is the only way to come on top....1 unit or 20 units
as long as you are constantly there with casinos money.Any other way
is self suicide.
So true.
By the way Good Fortune with Macao.
I still read the classic "Roulette for the Millions" by O'Neil-Dunne based on a month of 24 hour a day play at Macao with the team. ( He was also a fan of the lateral thinking Edward deBono).
Choosability or Probability.
However, I think we have a third way ( with various options) opening up now, but what a great yarn it was.
XXVV
After a short enforced break it has been a great time to reflect and really fundamentally question primary approaches to the Great Game and to start to shape the key goals for 2011.
Reviewing some of the excellent thoughts being promoted through the Forum at this time and then reflecting on my own current approach, wouldn't it be fascinating to conduct a 2011 Macao Challenge and by assembling a small skilled team what results would be achieved today comparing various best selected methods as being discussed openly today.
( Off to the Publishers and P/R teams right now!!)
What compulsive reading a new Book of Macao would engender amongst the uncertainties of the current volatilities in worldwide finance.
I am confident results would all be strongly positive over a 30 day period, and a far cry from the results of the original study which compared basic strategies with outside bets, to choosability ( discretionary play on a variety of attack methods based on player experience).
At that time the outside bets basically broke even. The choosability showed a profit of +190K on HKD. A tidy sum. The Author, a wealthy man in his own right, always impeccably fair, conceded in a postscript however, that on his return to Europe, by continuing the choosability approach he lost that equivalent amount the following month. Not consistent!
The access now to computer power, accelerating technology, information sharing, research and development, advanced mathematics, gaming psychology, and massive demonstrations of organised casino wins ( MIT et al), may encourage optimism for roulette but it is still a frontier hotly disputed, with a consistent winning approach applied by professionals who obviously closely guard their methods.
Through this Forum however it would be fair to say there are several worthy and very exciting pathways available and some key genuine information has been made available to enable real progress this year.
Nevertheless, despite the roller coaster ride ( and some disappointments) we have had to endure, we can look forward to a fantastic best year ahead, with new focus and re-energised efforts.
Will keep you posted.
XXVV
May I ask, in this whole thread is there a roulette method presented?
So far I have got the impression that it is acting as XXVV's personal blog? I mean don't get me wrong I have nothing against that but could we perhaps see a strategy, or a system from you, XXVV?
regards
"...could we perhaps see a strategy, or a system from you, XXVV?"
In my humble opinion, this is not necessarily needed.
This gentleman's posts are a joy to read -- erudite, informed, thoughtful, perceptive. And with impeccable grammar and syntax as a welcome bonus. :thumbsup:
What a pleasure and priviledge to have a well educated poster amongst us, who is prepared to share his thoughts and insights.
Much of what he writes is a springboard, a catalyst, for those able to join the dots, and for those able to think beyond the next meal.
He more than 'pays his way' with his contributions for which I offer a big THANK YOU.
Thanks S.
Fair call. However, carefully review the thread in detail as I have applied the ongoing 'strategy', since the departure of CS, of bouncing between overview and detail and back again to push boundaries, and to try and shake to cause to fall into our arms some of those ripe tasty peaches on the tree of roulette knowledge.
There is a 'method' in the madness.
Nevertheless, back to Macao, Paddy O'Neil-Dunne was a brilliant Irishman, businessman (and RAF hero) and that book was written in 1971 when he was 63 and featured just over 20,000 sequenced spins thoroughly analysed.
It would be interesting to see how we ( various experienced roulette players with access to such new knowledge and understanding) might approach such a challenge today, and what results would be obtained and published after 30 days of full time ( team shift) play.
XXVV
It would be fascinating indeed to see how a modern group of players could tackle the wheel over a month of play. Without any disrespect towards Paddy O'Neil-Dunne and his cohorts, times have moved on and it could be possible that players of the last generation were stuck within the constraints of the somewhat older classical roulette strategies.
I have never read the book you talk about XXVV but I will be hunting it down when I get the chance.
Exactly.
Classical then, although 'choosability' was pretty fuzzy, compared to the linked-in switched-on, wired generation of smart players today.
Amazon $17USD or less.
Stanley Ho was and still is a supreme entrepreneur.
The strange Macao wheel number sequence is a weird and effective randomiser. Tests on that Macao data have always been tough.
XXVV
Quote from: flukey luke on Dec 28, 09:57 PM 2010
It would be fascinating indeed to see how a modern group of players could tackle the wheel over a month of play. Without any disrespect towards Paddy O'Neil-Dunne and his cohorts, times have moved on and it could be possible that players of the last generation were stuck within the constraints of the somewhat older classical roulette strategies.
I have never read the book you talk about XXVV but I will be hunting it down when I get the chance.
It's a great read, and is one of my favourite books.
I basically got involved in roulette through reading it. :thumbsup:
It is the format of presentation of the 24 hour spin play cycles that so impresses also with this book. Brilliantly presented and signed off as genuine by the casino management. Nevertheless there is an infamous passage around 3am on the 2nd night shift when at least 40 spins appear to follow an exact sequence from that about 90 minutes earlier.
Had this been the true sequence then I think all would have left multi-millionaires and taken up hotel and casino development work in Macao.
However the study of such session results is exactly what I am now doing in trying to select the best outside bet methods for flat staking only. My appraisal of all progressive methods, however conservative, exposes their ultimate weakness and thats not for me.
Analysing data from live sessions to find the best ratios of wins and losses which to attack, whether to allow the runs (same) to proceed, or to hop onto the chops (change) when they appear. Maybe the swings from same to change oscillate within an imbalance ratio and will try this, but of course change cant be precisely predicted - that would be foolish. It can only be followed.
However we know there is ( longer term) consistent win and loss ratio in EC betting. In the shorter term this can be imbalanced. Maybe we can find a way to take advantage of this winning and losing if the unit goals are very modest. Aim would be to build up unit value as I earlier suggested by using the considerable power of compounding.
XXVV
There is some value in penultimate cycle betting but in the long term it appears to hold no difference in relative stability to sequential betting. Flip 300 coins and measure the results both sequential and penultimate.
However there is a use, in that the pattern of p/e is not so obvious and it may run different to the sequentail pattern and thus may have some practical inter- variation use. I also believe that as in the matrix betting targetting four numbers out of a nine number quadrant ( second tier bet), that a combination of sequential, penultimate, tertiary, and even quadruple cycle betting can be useful in a fuzzy logic way to reveal short term resonances on inside numbers. Take a fast look at several runs of results and spot the links.
Perhaps a combination of a couple of ways, ie playing to take advantage of runs (same), and short chop play to take advantage of change, can be combined in a bwab form to shape a CWS bet for EC work using a combination of spin cycles. Something relatively consistent ( first tier).
On another forum that post by Medo, and that post by Se-Same ( referred to on this forum via a link under the heading 'another pppcbet' - was most interesting but unfortunately as they both relied on progressions - they had a tipping point revealed within a few hundred spins and failed - they were not consistent enough).
The trick will be ( note future tense) to introduce variables such as those used in those bets in a combination that uses bwab flat betting.
I am re-reading two classic books from the 60's and 70's right now as they throw great light on EC betting and outcome patterns. I will elaborate on these in a future post.
XXVV
Another great post XXvv.
Such an interesting take on the "dance".
Sounds like future 'choreography', is the dish of the day!?! :xd:
The 300 flips can be split into sets of 10, 20, 100 and 300. Compare the % outcomes.
Of course as the sample grows the variance from probablity theory expectation decreases.
It seems that the 100 spin ratio is similar for penultimate and sequential spin analysis.
However the really interesting and useful difference in using penultimate is that, in comparison to the more obvious cycles, it can reveal hidden short term symmetries or patterns in random behaviour.
The key book from the 60's is L.G. Holloway's "Full Time Gambler". This contains very useful information on EC and series betting. Likewise Frank Barstow, ex Wall Street, is a brilliant writer with unique insight.
Added to this c***tail, I am also researching work by Ion Saliu in relation to EC/ outside table betting. Wherever possible I am endeavouring to keep the bet relatively simple and flat. That is not to say however that under certain special bwab circumstances there might be an opportunity for either a big bet sequence (higher level) or a short parlay based on the earlier unit value.
Reading the wisdom and experience of the two professionals, I believe the parlay bet may be the way to go, when the planets are in alignment.
Thats about it for now as am preparing for live action in the 2011 campaign.
I will report back in a few weeks with results from the various approaches.
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Key will be to find a suitable first tier bet package to enable a solid financial foundation to the series, so that a small proportion of profit can be applied to the more inconsistent second tier bets which can occasionally pay big dividends. Application of Common Sense will be fundamental. Other senses can then be overlaid!
Best
XXVV
On another forum that post by Medo, and that post by Se-Same ( referred to on this forum via a link under the heading 'another pppcbet' - was most interesting but unfortunately as they both relied on progressions - they had a tipping point revealed within a few hundred spins and failed - they were not consistent enough
XXVV
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True they both/Medos and Se_same/relied on progression,but the fact is that bet we are about here/which wasn't explained in full btw./never reached 11th. step of progression/most 9nth./in 10 months playing,and it won over 600000 euros in this period of time.I'm constantly informed of these things from the man who is playing this.
Thanks for that. That is excellent news as I really like the composition of those bets.
I think we have to be flexible and pragmatic. There are progressions and progressions, and there are some that are constructed to nullify risk at every opportunity and cancel debt, at the price of rapid movement. Nevertheless if such can bridge the occasional chasm on our pathway, then I am willing to review my approach to those very interesting bets that trap both runs and change on outside table bets.
Cheers
XXVV
Always open to a better way, I have been inundated with good ideas ( thank you Universe), to such an extent that clearly something was going to snap.
So thanks to the wisdom of Timothy Ferriss, I am reminded of the words of the one and only Bruce Lee who I definitely want to star in the new kung-fu roulette movie to be shot in Macao, Run and Chop, or is it better Chop and Run, or Shop n Run.
"One does not accumulate but eliminate. It is not daily increase but daily decrease. The height of cultivation always runs to simplicity."
So to those essential simple EC bets....
Perhaps its that its now the height of summer where I write this. Perhaps the delightful cooling summer breeze and the azure sky; the garden full of bursting promise and running water.....
But I see a way ahead, clear and simple.
Its in multiples of threes. Three, the number of Venus and Nature.
Three bets ( or multiples of three bets) and taking, accumulating, 3 units profit per line ( three lines) of EC, as a micro session, as part of the rules and strategy back-fitted to the method and characteristics of the bet. Three lines of three would do me fine for these first tier bets.
Simple and effective and we have been given the elements of these bets already in this thread, and thereabouts.
Flat bets only where possible or certainly a no-loss policy to nullify debt asap.
Planning is nearly complete, so off on the road.
Will report in a week or so.
Best xxvv
Quote from: XXVV on Jan 12, 10:58 PM 2011
Perhaps its that its now the height of summer where I write this. Perhaps the delightful cooling summer breeze and the azure sky; the garden full of bursting promise and running water.....
But I see a way ahead, clear and simple.
Its in multiples of threes. Three, the number of Venus and Nature.
Three bets ( or multiples of three bets) and taking, accumulating, 3 units profit per line ( three lines) of EC, as a micro session, as part of the rules and strategy back-fitted to the method and characteristics of the bet. Three lines of three would do me fine for these first tier bets.
Simple and effective and we have been given the elements of these bets already in this thread, and thereabouts.
Flat bets only where possible or certainly a no-loss policy to nullify debt asap.
Planning is nearly complete, so off on the road.
Will report in a week or so.
Best xxvv
Even thought half of your words/meaning behind sentences/I don't
grasp but pressuming that you are talking about flat bet on 3 lines and if so
let me point out few words about that bet.
33 spins lines 2,4,5, didn't hit while punting on these.
On 11th.spin/when lost previous winnings/I thought that maybe they/my local casino/
began dirty play,so punting again on the same 2,4,5,lines,before the dealer said;
no more bets,I switched the bets on 1,3,6 lines,and BINGO I was right.
Since then I never entered in that casino.
Unless you have some new way of betting on 3 lines.
No, I am not referring to three lines or anything as complex as that at this time. I am testing several complex bets of course elsewhere and trying to find simpler ways to bet them. No easy answers there.
In this case though I am simply looking at three individual bet types ( or more) that can be easily played one at a time but that one of them may offer 3 EC opportunities to be played by a player or a player and a partner.
The real difference is that I am looking to simply earn say +3 units from each EC, so that in a mini session where a sequence can earn 3 units might take only 5 spins to win, on another EC maybe 20 spins, and the other 40+ spins, and may be even just a break even result.
So overall in a mini session to ideally earn say +8/+11 units within say 50 spin average. Some may be only +5, some nil, some +20.
A full session may be a string of these mini sessions. However if unit value is high why tire yourself. Keep it simple.
Selection of the bet type is important and remember we have been told to work out our rules for play AFTER the bet has been developed. Different bets will need different rules and strategy. Goal is to ensure we end with profit!!! Not to keep on playing and to place a bet that would risk or throw away earlier hard won profit. No need for that. That is why I am stopping at +3.
These are just simple EC bets in different spin cycles or various organisations of results for short term pattern play.
By playing for just a very small goal in short cycles that solves a lot of problems because most havent yet been created!
These ones are all flat bets, but there are ways to construct very conservative progressions so as to minimise and mitigate loss. There has been some excellent work on these within this forum.
Then try 2 penultimate lines/rolling fashion/mayby you find it
interesting in short circle bets.
Thanks for that.
Will do. Will report in 3-5 days.
Must fly.
Underway at new casino. 5 mini sessions in 90 minutes and all winners.
This is a good start and have had enough for day one as travel and change of environments is very taxing on the mind and body.
In discussion with one of my colleagues. He described the EC bets as very 'slippery'. This is a great term and is why I am seeking only modest gains in this form of betting. It is like climbing a greasy pole - hard to move up but easy to slide and lose progress unless skilled.
Am exploring runs of RO/BE and BO/RE and am amazed how they can run in clusters. There is a possible outside table bet in that phenomenon. Again +3 would be sufficient.
Where some EC bets only risk one unit per bet you can let winning runs extend until abruptly halted by a loss. I have seen +15 or more available in penultimate cycle runs. Even longer runs are available in sequential betting, and Louis Holloway writes of these and how to play them hourly, daily, weekly and monthly in his classic book. Requires knowledge, great patience and no current debt ( on the current table) to take best advantage of these.
Will update in a few days on strategy. What amazes me is the change in your play performance after several weeks of training and mental preparation wrt attitude and expectation.
One key variable in the professional game is the mental game in trained subconscious patterns and self conscious awareness and alertness. The difference to an untrained player is that so much of what they do is unconscious conditioned response and group mind behaviour.
It is the same with any professional in any field now whether commerce or sport as the expectation rises in terms of self control and new boundaries are always being tested.
To give you a humorous example today. As soon as I sat at the table my 'friend' zero turned up. I play zero as my expected and frequent house guest. All the more important as I am playing EC's. It is the same principle of synchronicity that can find you a parking spot in advance. Expectation is everything.
I run zero as a unique book in the bets. Zero is not available 'en prison' where I am playing this week.
Cheers XXVV
Louis Holloway wrote that EC runs in one pattern form or another (but probably in sequential spin cycle form) have the following duration characteristics over time...
On a table with 3 EC's...
every 2/3 hours a run of 8
every day a run of 10
every week a run of 14
every month a run of 17 in a row.
You may like to test this.
XXVV
Observations within the casino.....
I have looked at first tier bets ( outside table) and second tier ( interior table includes sixlines).
There is a world of difference in mind set and relative consistency between these levels.
There are some extraordinary opportunities available to the player by analysing and tuning bets before you start play, and establishing rules for play before you start, as well as having a strategic overview - a plan.
Also another gem of practical help from Louis Holloway ( to paraphrase)....
Set out your rules and read them before you start each day's play. In my view take them with you and re-read at every break during the day. These must be understood as logical and must become second nature. Repetition is the way to learn and then practice and apply. There will be early mistakes and some rules can be refined and further refined. But keep working at it.
The expression used by Victor and those who understand the game is "the true nature of the game of roulette". Only by understanding the true nature of the game can bets be formulated and rules and strategies best applied.
Practice is essential, again and again, until there is sufficient consistent success, and your confidence uptrends. Success attracts success.
That is hard to understand when all seems confusing and impossible, and you are down.
Have you considered that single runs in EC bets are twice as common as doubles and yet the two account for 75% of outcomes. That rings a few bells.
There is a way to harness single and double outcomes in one or several bets to give a slight edge.
By applying rules ( for example knowing what is sufficient profit in runs or in pattern play and when to stop), these bets can make you consistent profit. Also in using lateral thinking to modify your unit values (compounding with success) but also modifying if playing riskier runs.
There are other bets that can be formulated considering the relative numbers of RO/BE to BO/RE and the result outcomes, again in singles and doubles.
I have outlined schematically there about three families of bets which themselves can be applied sequentially, penultimately and in 3 EC variations. Then there is the so called PPPC bet variation and this can interface astonishingly with one of these families if you experiment laterally.
It actually boils down to eventual simple but refined bets and then the hardest part is to build a set of rules appropriate to these so as to make a consistent profit using them. A fool will always lose.
All of the above are flat bets.
Any progression is time consuming, emotionally draining, and ultimately doomed to fail.
That is why I have eliminated and ceased any research or testing on any methods that involve progressions now, however tempting and endearing they may have been.
Many of you will have, like me, spent thousands of hours in preparation, research and training for this great game. There is no limit to what perfection can be achieved in play based on the hardest task of all self-management, but there comes a time when we can say, lets eliminate the timewasters, the cul-de-sacs, the disappointments, the heartbreaks.
Back to basics and re-build from there.
And what better title than Common-Sense to wake up from the dream and establish some key base bets as a first tier that are consistent winners.
Only once having conquered that goal can you go into the volatile world of second tier matrix betting and threads that can bring great fortune on a good day. or loss on a bad day. Having worked through the first tier work you might well say to the second tier, why bother! Thats a personal choice.
There will be some who may respond now and say we want specific bets outlined but I cant do that -this is a "framework" by definition - I would breach the trust of those who have provided some help for me also. It is a continuous journey and each individual can invent and personalise their own special bets. There are enough permutations I believe for this to be possible and the principle is that each must work to complete the studies themselves.
You will have to trust me and others that in the areas indicated above that is where your attention should be directed for worthwhile results.
I can say that my specific results live have demonstrated to me a consistent earning within the limits earlier set out, ie approx +10 units on a risk bank of 100 units per session. Exceed those limits and get greedy and you may lose the lot for various reasons.
Now I have made mistakes daily also and am constantly having to learn from and adapt from these lessons. Nevertheless a quantum step has been taken in knowledge.
However I thought it might be good to set out my excitement and progress in principle to help and encourage others. Hope you take this the right way.
XXVV
You wrote:
One key variable in the professional game is the mental game in trained subconscious patterns and self conscious awareness and alertness. The difference to an untrained player is that so much of what they do is unconscious conditioned response and group mind behaviour.
Do you do any work with visualisation? (If no, it's worth a follow-up.)
It's widely used in performance fields (elite athletes, the military and so forth)..why not in seeking winning outcomes when betting?
Thanks for that.
Visualisation. Yes.
In lots of ways. There is some wonderful material available and it snowballs. My emails are jammed with links on the subject because of my interest.
There are two specific books or courses though that have helped particualrly. I will have to access the tiltles and reply in detail, but both involve CD's and work with subconscious. One from Vegas!! the other from UK.
In general with regard to visualisation and tuning of imagery I refer you to material from Dr Robert Anthony and Christy Whitman and a host of related writers all brilliant, and books by Paul Mckenna.
In particular for business and professional attitudes I recommend "I Can Make You Rich" by Paul Mckenna which contains an excellent hypnosis CD.
With regard to Professional Casino Play I recommend Eric Nielsen's "Inner Track - A Guide to Winning" - this consists of 3 x CD's and is available ex Vegas - Sailfish Productions.
:.professionalsinsight.com (link:://:.professionalsinsight.com)
This is a Mental Preparation approach and is excellent value at $24.95
The same publishers have an expensive series of options on Dealer Signature Theory to which I do not subscribe but there may be other insights in that for professional players.
The material above relates to an aspect of roulette play much overlooked because it goes into realms non physical which influences may at times be much more stronger than the apparent concrete physical aspects of the game. This relates to 'limitless' self knowledge as well as the influences of all present surrounding the wheel and table, staff and patrons.
Hope this helps XXVV
Crikey -- I didn't expect you to go to all that trouble!
But thank you. That's a very useful list.
You wrote:
The material above relates to an aspect of roulette play much overlooked because it goes into realms non physical which influences may at times be much more stronger than the apparent concrete physical aspects of the game. This relates to 'limitless' self knowledge as well as the influences of all present surrounding the wheel and table, staff and patrons.
Yes, indeed. All is energy, vibrating at different frequencies.
Germane to the quote above is Michael Talbot's book The Holographic Universe. It's made such an impact on me that I'm now in my thirteenth, consecutive reading of it!
Extremely challenging concepts written in a clear, concise, easy-to-read style from a master wordsmith.
Read that, folks, and the world will never be the same again for you...A real eye-opener to the 'real reality'. (And as a consequence I finally found a couple of profitable applications to roulette...but that's another story not for here.)
Thanks for that. That book will be accessed today.
To me it is one of the most difficult challenges I know to go into a live casino, especially when busy, and consistently behave in the most professional manner. There is not a day that goes by, at this stage, where I dont fall short of the standards I am setting myself. One reason for that is that we have to work on so many levels. Practice is essential and every possible method you can access. Since we are all unique there will an infinite number of ways.
Quantum progress has been made with bet selections, and a lot of progress in applying appropiate rules and a formula to plan the overall units required in the starting risk bank and then the number of units to be accessed step by step. Then to see how that can relate to a daily, weekly, monthly, annual, realistic goal.
But before that, self management, self knowledge, self honesty (accountability) is pivotal.
A very astute friend of mine recently stated ( to paraphrase) that we need to retain an untouchable core that can rise above and handle all the casino 'vibrations'. Part of us needs to retain an instinctual alertness for the opportunities but not to become trancelike as so many players become.
Hence, to labour the point, we need to be in 'peak' ( a relative term) physical, mental, emotional, spiritual ( alert on all subtle levels) condition.
A tough shrewd strong exterior, but a complex core.
Well that is why they call it The Great Game.
BestXXVV
Through live play testing I am toying with the idea of a never losing bet (NLB). This is subtly different from a consistent winning bet, but results in consistent profit.
The professionals will tell you there is no consistent winning bet because eventually a short term gain will fall away into loss.
Instead we have been encouraged to look for a consistent winning session or system, given emphasis on short term imbalances/ trends, particularly with regard to outside table bets. This is good advice and I believe is the key to beating roulette.
The NLB emphasises a conservative NO LOSS approach, playing safe and negating loss and excess risk exposure.
However it may be possible I believe to monitor THREE books or 'games' simultaneously, especially as the method is ABWAB.
Zero can be monitored independently, or if 'en prison' rules apply may be optional.
Sixline /achilles heel can be played flat or a conservative progression. In this usage it will not sleep. What is the longest run of ROBE outcomes you have encountered?
So called PPPC Bet can be applied when triggered.
Play can stop when sufficient profit has been made based on risk exposure appropriate return to risk formula.
For those of you who have followed my threads this shorthand may make sense.
If you are interested PM me.
XXVV
Couple years back have played RO vers. BE/there is a thread about it somwhere on old VLS/
and RO hit 19 times without BE hitting.Was losing great deal of money night after night,playing every night from the very first spin to the very last morning spin on the very same wheel,believing it should level up,and when I lost a hope it really started doing just that.
But it took almost one month to get the money back.Never again.
Yes it is slippery.
The way I am looking at it is in two parts...
a. RO and BE combined (20 numbers - 10 splits) or !st dozen +High.
b. BO and RE combined (16 numbers - 8 splits) or 3rd dozen+ Low.
It is a challenge.
Am attacking this problem from a couple of angles. Will update soon.
Also thanks to the brilliant work by Colbster et al. ( Eggleston Bet) am applying that staking method to dozens as a first tier fundamental bet and in testing am achieving a consistent +5 to +10 units in 30 -50 spins. Going for 5000 spin test on this ( in quantum packets of 100 spins).
Its a bit like the matrix work, its a bit fuzzy sometimes, it seems to be in the nature of things that what we observe as developing expressions of natural phenomena, such as sequences of numbers, our lives, 'natural selection', tectonic plate theory ( continental drift), occurs sometimes in slow steady increments - plate movement of continents is at the same rate as our fingernail growth ( if as a roulette player you have fingernails left that is).
However that's the average,
Like they say with the Alps - north or south hemisphere - growth upward is 8mm per year - but reality is it can be very very slow for a thousand years then jolts upward 30m in one event.
Averages in science and in roulette are misleading. Reality ( at our living time frame) is different. That is why playing a patient game in roulette can be rewarding, just as also the opportunist.
So sometimes we see a massive shift, a massive opportunity, at other times its can be slow and hard fighting the tide against us.
Sometimes things come into sharp and clear focus. Grab the event.
Opportunities need to be sighted and acted upon immediately!
Carpe Diem!
Sometimes it can be a slow drift, or worse an adverse tide. Get out when recognised. Climb back later.
Reality is in physical terms a combination of quantum theory ( or equivalents) and relativity theory ( or equivalents) as well as others as yet not understood and at different scales or levels of detail each ( or several ) may apply.
What I am tring to say is the samples of 100 with sharp cut off are a brutal tough test.
Reality is that during the 100 spins there will be opportunities for take-outs ( like islands rising above the seas), and with each method we should know the most usual parameters of likely success - so when for example we are offered +10 after 30 spins, we gladly take it, because over the following 70 spins the results may oscillate down to +3 at the end.
Currently reflecting carefully on the realistic expectations of first tier betting and how best to combine and use these. EC betting is in quantum units. Dozens and Cols can be very much to our advanatge if harnessed at 2-1 or even better if multiplied in combination. However odds on betting can cause grief with a set of losses at 2 units and recovery gains at single units ( if flat staking).
So caution is the overview at this stage of research.
I really enjoy reading your posts.
Keep up the good work, its seems as if you are on the right track my friend :thumbsup:
Thanks BigEZ
Some of the thoughts on the previous post were activated by an interview I heard with Richard Dawkins the big selling Biologist, and a scientist friend of mine who readily admits some science struggles to provide answers and 'papers over the cracks'.
The proof is in the testing, and it pays to keep the mind open to any possibilities and to take advantage of results that just dont fit with your previous understandings.
It is a real pain, but actually its a gift from Life.
So, taking the microscope down to our universe of roulette what can we see that we can use as reliable tools at this time - I think the answers will vary with time.
All methods here are subject to further refinement and development as that seems to be the Lesson from the LifePower's 'natural selection' process ( so much more than random chance).
- There is no finishing point - I like the principle where there is no limit, no end, no wall, and we can improve and improve. This applies of course to us because all methods are interactive between the Game ( which is its own universe) - the method to read and interpret the Game and provide the tools to utilise for our benefit - and us ( our universe ) - the latter two are limitless in development and ability to more and more effectively tune/ resonate with the Game. Our results of course vary with time and our ability to better understand the Game. This should be an uptrending set of experiences.
So at the moment here is my arsenal of methodologies ( in no particular order of preference):
First Tier and Second Tier Overlap
ROBE/ BORE take advantage of the 20:16 ratio and play for a ROBE double
play for runs of ROBE and BORE
await an imbalance in previous say 22 or 37 spins and play individually
apply to the pppcbet with overlay bets on zero and sixline (NLB)- in progress.
First Tier
EC Bets take advantage of short term imbalances and trends and create rules and terms
for taking suitable profit. Suggest Goal +5 and Stop Loss -3
singles + doubles + runs in both sequential and penultimate betting cycles
goal +3 or +4 spread over 3 varaiations - mini session goal +11
there is some debate about when to take advantage of a run - I now believe
start at the very beginning and play both options.
Dozens +
Columns dominant two ( dozens and/or columns) cluster - goal +5 onwards for each.
trigger and same outcome ( as opposed to change) for columns - goal +3
Eggleston Bet application to dozens (and possibly columns) - goal +5
In these examples a mini session max I have arbitralily defined as 50 spins, and some can be achieved in 10 spins. All need a stop loss in the event of an adverse sequence. Short stop loss at -3. Switch to those options that are performing as per expectations.
All bets are flat.
Two or three methods can be monitored at the same time even using a rapid spin format.
Goal : +11 units per mini session. Over a week of play compound the results and increase unit value. After several weeks play allow 30% profit to go into second tier higher risk/ reward betting. Invest the 70% elsewhere.
There are other methods- some will remain private.
Hope this helps. XX V V
I really must emphasise that it seems, despite the best efforts, play on outside bets really is a tricky dance between methods that can give modest returns, and to have a pre set goal is a best idea, with, if the session permits, 2 or three methods harvesting small gains that can be accrued.
It may be a good idea to push forward in some plays, say runs, exposing only a single unit regression if it loses, but using half units or less. so as to accentuate the positives but not erisking the hard won net gain.
It is a mindest and a style of play very different to the second tier plays I use.
testing and semi-live play continues ensuring that the now favoured methods can be applied in the casino setting in several trial runs.
Best XX V V
Timing is everything.
Short term play is a universe away from the large scale sample which we need not be concerned with in practical play. We can take advantage of the short term distortions, trends and sequences that have percentage variation unthinkable in large scale samples.
Knowing when to start and when to stop after we understand the characteristics of a method and know its familiar peaks and troughs - this is practical essential rule for professional play.
As Victor advises, choose timing to attack warm/ hot events, not cold characteristics awaiting awakening. Triggers should tune back into the action - that's where the energy is being released which we can harness.
Last night I was monitoring a sequence of spins. A massive run of over 20 outcomes in 3rd and 1st dozens, then also a switch to a long run of central column outcomes after two zeroes within the previous 12 spins.
I was monitoring runs and same/different characteristics with switches in dozs/ cols and how this could be taken advantage of. The answer was right in front of me - you have to take advantage of what the game is offering......if you are in tune with it. There were runs and a curious blocking of change so that same was dominant.
It was also a signal for something to break, an extreme event and my intuition was beaming back zero. ........The next spin zero! You could feel the release of energy and after that the patterns all shifted.
Hello XXVV,
It is amazing how the more in tune with game you are, the more intuition can be your best friend. Allow me to share an experience I had last year.
I was playing a trigger based approach which solely relies on timing. The characteristics of the game were telling me that it was definately not a time to be placing any bets. So I started looking at what the exact opposite of the bet would be. It threw up three numbers over the next three spins which came up one after the other. If I was not there to witness it, I would certainly have never believed it. You are right about the 'energy' part as well. During this experience, I could almost feel that there was some kind of force at work. When you are truly plugged into the game, it can create some unusual experiences.
Thats one of the things what keeps me in the game all this years.
besides patience and experience.
Yes I have a dear friend, London based, who is very experienced with larges sum casino roulette play. One of the key factors he allows for most is the energy at the table which involves mainly the players. We both agree the Zero energy and the emotional and psychic power this can generate is at the top of the range of all numbers.
It makes chasing the zero a worthwhile adventure in its own right - all based on timing.
When its hot its very hot!
The principle of the reversal of bets is a very interesting observation. At the moment I am really exploring ROBE and BORE sequences. Because of the relative imbalance of both then some reverse psycholgy can be helpful in constructing some bets that appear to have a consistent edge. To give one example that is a bit counter-intuitive, a play of ROBE number to follow a BORE number makes sense because in samples of 100 spins measuring relative performance characteristics the BORE doubles most often came in as losers. So when it doesnt work - reverse it!
Yes its a fantastic game.
There are three characteristics that are critical to the best performance in practical professional play in the context of bet construction, selection and application.
First is to find the most consistent results (win or loss) where possible. Ad nauseam, 30 tests of 100 spins and then some more ( 3 x) if results are encouraging. But only short sessions of course. There is no practical point at all in testing for 100,000 spins or more. That is the critical time factor - tests need to be short duration but lots of them- and in fact if I can get out in 30 spins or less in real play so much the better. The earnings ratio of short term imbalances can be measured and then a realistic percentage of that can be harvested when offered.
I have been advised all short term imbalances even out in the long term, but in the case of some of the reversals of consistent losing sequences ( read on) I am not so sure - although it is likely to even out. I will update on that in a few weeks after much more testing.
In my experience, oddly, the most consistent results have been found in the realms that go a little further than most might explore ( no surprise there or else everyone would be a winner), and in fact require a twist....
Where there is a consistent, or relatively consistent loss, and the bet can be reversed, this is a key step. There are several applications that I have found, with one good one already noted. In fact in 30 spins monitored last night I had up to net +7 wins in this format.
A second key characteristic that I am looking for is a relatively high payout, or price to earnings ratio in market terminology. Inside table betting can offer this or else high unit values on outside bets but the third factor about to be mentioned comes into play.
No point in working like a dog for an hour to earn net +1 unit.
Grinding on is for fairground organists or nervous teeth.
A third and critical point which overlaps with point two, is the relative ability of the bet to earn sufficient to relatively quickly recover from a loss.
I now have a private bet that meets all three requirements and is far superior to earlier attempts to develop a consistent winning bet/CWS that were using outside bet models which for example needed 3 to 5 wins or more to recover from a loss.
Forget the progressions, particularly those on Martingale up to 64 on so on. They will result in tears in due course. All my work now is flat staking exclusively with the exception of an occasional parlay under special circumstances.
The three points mentioned above are some of the most important practical realisations I have learned in the Game.
Have been playing live and monitoring some new approaches. These are really exciting and it seems extraordinary that such consistent results ( loss) can be axchieved. What is the reason for this? There seems to be evidence, as yet not definitively proven , but certainly very regularly observed, that there is behaviour in certain sequences of outcomes that is remarkably eccentric - way off balance.
Question is - is this short term aberration or a deeper even more consistent skew.
I suspect it is short tem behaviour. However it seems frequent enough to regularly harvest.
We are on the trail here of something very interesting and potentially very very profitable. It is wonderful to actually be on THAT trail and not relying on third party questionable (?) inspiration.
You know what I mean.....
Defining 'eccentric' as off balance and askew, then if you start with an imbalance in a set out - say 16 to 20 there is an 8% eccentricity.
This will account for subsequent swings which will deviate within standard expactations and sometimes more from the adjusted centre of gravity which is already 8% off centre to start with.
All this is great news when you are looking for consistent loss.
It also helps explain the results.
It also may lead to finding and establishing other bets which are deliberately skewed from the outset within a small range ( ie not the 33.3% of 2 dozen bets) but maybe in the 5-15% range, which can then be used to your advantage.
I am aware you cannot beat the odds of the Game but you can beat ( the short term behavioural characteristics of ...) the Game.
We need to take care of course with an eccentric bet that as in this case it may require 11 wins to 8 losses in order to break even in a longer no discretion test.
What really counts though is that with a bet in such a fluid area of often quite lengthy runs of wins ( say runs of four, five and six or more in a row) and with good payouts, the player can happliy climb off the merry go round every now and then and take profit.
Conversely after say two losses the player might pause and await a return of an uptrend before climbing back on, or simply go to a new game and take a small loss.
Testing in the various forms being applied seems to show great opportunities to take advantage of short term runs as the payout win is relatively high, and the behaviour is relatively consistent.
More soon. XX V V
Do U bet virtually then whilst "Off" the merry-go-round XX?
Tracking all the time?
For sure.
There are a lot of optional extra bets in the universe in which I am currently exploring, ie ROBE/BORE.
You can go ROBE ( all as a group) assingles or pairs.
BORE as singles or pairs ( although that runs counter to my primary bet)
You can play runs of ROBE
Runs of BORE
or interestingly runs of both ROBE and BORE, ie the phenomenon of runs alone. This can provide up to +10 quite quickly when the planets are aligned.
Another option is to 'overlap' - here comes the fuzzy bit - with an EC or outside table bet to reinforce or partially cover the principal bet.
It may be best to keep to just the primary bet - it seems to have a remarkable success given a range of outcomes tested live.
However some may claim two overlapping bets and possibly at different values may be a good plan.
Also a simpler bet may be also useful such as say going for 6 street version of ROBE ( reduced from 7) thus forming an evenly balanced bet. This can be used say when you have achieved say +5 wins and want to extend a run but not at the same unit risk exposure.
The primary bet though is always ABWAB. However during an adverse run it is essential to monitor virtually until the primary uptrend is proven again ( or it may have just stalled and the game needs to be abandoned. The other variations though illustrate what is always bubbling along and this way of looking at things seems to offer lots of streaky play.
I find you can read a game from 20 accurate screen recorded bets and if flat or going down just don't even put the toe in the water.
If its a good start signal you may find yourself with + 3 to +5 wins before you know it ( say 30 spins). Thank you Game. Also I play to cover zero independently. My half joke about attracting zero when I sit down has now become a self fulfilling prophecy. If I go near the wheel the zero has a habit of appearing if not instantly, very often within 12 spins.
Planning to ramp up the live play this new week and have selected after testing one of the variable methods mentioned in the most recent posts.
It pays to be humble in this game.
Yesterday I played 7 mini sessions. All won, except one which was the one where zero did not occur. Therefore in relying on a fallback strategy I suggest you keep your wits about you and have several techniques to draw from. With a clear head they are obvious but in the heat of live play you have to be well trained, drilled, to deal with the contingencies.
It may pay to pause and quietly reflect for some minutes - dont be intimidated by table play ( for example if only player at the table) - plan for ALL contingencies. Read your RULES of play before you start any session. How else can you positively reinforce this knowledge and practical experience.
With increasing confidence in the selected methodology I am now going to apply a simple three part parlay to the gameplan, given sufficient prior profit margin. Testing has demonstrated the frequency of length of suitable winning runs - but the sample size still needs to be very large.
Readers of this thread may smile ( some may wince) at the shifts in attitude I have reflected over the past month while battling the live casino action.
I have been fortunate to have an ideal arrangement where I have nearby private study space and also the assistance of a dear friend who is a genuine roulette peer and scientist by training who can question and share my research from time to time.
He has his own remarkable line of research which is extraordinary once it can be harnessed for consistency. Anecdotal evidence of his theories however show there are spectacular cycles at work in roulette which can specifically identify a specific number from time to time, and thus enable a big bet with a better than good chance of success.
I started this phase sincerely believing that outside bets were the professional way to go.
I found many instances of what I term narrow range bets which can give +3 results reasonably consistently and as long as a -3 stop-loss is in place, you can live with that.
These apply to EC bets and Doz/Col combinations.
There can be good runs, there can be bad runs and the difference is in self management.
However, through a curious interface of outside betting with some matrix ideas, the so called pppc bet, and some other work I have doing on ROBE/BORE families, then I found warmer oceans with more fish to harvest.
So now I am back into inside table betting. It is a matter of meeting at least six criteria I require. Consistency. Good payout. Ability to recover from a loss quickly. Simplicity. Ability to parlay. Universality of application. Quick analysis. Definitive testing.
My latest bet about which I am very excited now includes zero in its spread so factors that in easily to nullify or dampen negative risk exposure and as it is ABWAB it automatically cuts out when the phase is against us and cuts back in when potentially uptrending again.
There are lots of cousin bets out there so plenty to choose from.
My testing is now in excess of 50 sessions of 120 spins. and the key is now to make this research work live and handle the logistics live. Strategies are in place to handle gradual bet increase conservatively tuned to risk bank size and then the safe allowances for parlay bets.
In every one of the 50 sessions tested there was a parlay opportunity ( four consecutive wins) no matter that some resulted in a small overall loss based on flat staking. Overall the method is providing my required 3 to 5 wins usually within 50 spins.
More later after a few days of applied full time live play.
I think Simplicity is one of the key criteria for my bet selection method and a trigger will occur from first spin to usually within first six spins.
It is wise to record and study the verified 15-20 spins before joining the table to see the phase in which the game rests - uptrend, neutral or negative. If the latter, do not commence play until neutral at least.
That the play is ABWAB means we have a safety valve protecting us from runs of loss. However sometimes in a neutral phase you can spot a WLWLWL pattern. Climb on board in phase of course.
Hope all this helps and am amazed it is the fruit of a journey that commenced in this detail and intent 9 months ago, but of course the journey really started over 20 years ago.
The seventh criterion to be added to the requirement list is a small but suitable bank. Much has been written and already well stated on this but given the nature of my inside betting now and my quantum shift in attitude from ( my earlier view) a very small number of bets to be placed to now a larger number - it has to be practicable on the table and the time pressures involved - I now recommend three banks of 110 units individually.
By trial and error I have found that it is not necessarily the smartest play to outlay only a few units in your bet ( ie say 2 bets on a matrix bet). In theory fine but may have large variance. I have found a better way with more consistency of success by approaching play differently to that earlier believed. We should know by now in this marvellous Game there are many valid pathways to success.
Intention here is to compound the bank unit value by a succession of winning sessions, as earlier outlined, and the occasional parlay bet being a double, triple and/ or quad variation.
Testing will have demonstrated relative availability of suitable length runs.
In all 80 sessions now tested (7000 spins), all had an opportunity for a triple parlay, even the 'losing' sessions. The tests were very satisfactory and now signal live real play.
With my particular method selected from a family of betting opportunities already outlined, I have achieved a net positive result of between 4 and 5 winning bets per session given a sensible take out point ( averages about 40 spins). Best winning session was +19 wins and worst losing session ( although would have stop lossed in practical play) was -12 losses.
Now is a phase of self management and consolidation of early live play success. There is a serious need to be able to handle slow or slightly negative passages to we do not leak profit.
Will update at end of the week but this is a most exciting phase. Best XX V V
A couple of further points to be as clear as possible in this context....
When the bet is skewed as earlier outlined take care when noting bulk data results. For example my best result now on the ongoing testing and live play is +22 wins achieved over a 100 spin sample. It took 60 spins for this one to break out of its 'trading range' +1 to +5, and then rapidly stepped up to this peak.
Because of the earlier steps up for a win and steps down for a loss, this effectively leaks profit and on average over a 100 spin sample ( most of my live play is much shorter for several reasons) the actual wins erode as much as -4 if you follow my drift. So the 'real' profit in this latter example is +18 wins multiplied by the actual units profit per win. Added to this now is the bonus earnings from zero outcomes. Zero is played only when the BWAB is played ( about two thirds of actual play).
As earlier advised, RULES are established after the bet is finally formulated and tuned.
This is where I am at and of course it is as important and tricky as any earlier phase.
Self management is paramount, and you have to be as consistent as possible. Testing/ practice time is very different from real live time.
There is also an addition to the rules that can allow for 'discretionary' play. This is the fuzzy logic phase. This is really the icing on the cake as from experience we have many methods that can overlap and reinforce our chosen bet.
The entire bet is flat staking of course.
But on those happy days when profit has reached a key level you can parlay to various degrees, or overlap other knowledge. As we have noted intuitiion - elsewhere defined as reason taken to the n'th degree - can provide spectacular outcomes when we are 'in the zone'- the head space of the professional.
My bet now spreads all across the inside table and deliberately inter mixes EC and Doz/Col data, but not to an extreme degree of odds-on because that is fatal.
Yesterday I noticed a game where all the results for the past 7 spins were all in first nine numbers of the dozen or in the nine numbers 19-27 incl. So I doubled my bets in those two regions and the pattern continued another 12 outcomes. That is a simple but effective example of a discretionary adjustment when the confidence was there and in this case was justified. Another pattern might be a particular section say nine numbers of the wheel being favoured.Of course they not always work so effectively and it is a luxury that needs to be weighed up at the table.
That is another reason I have shifted back to full individual live tables where I can play alone or with others ( more players and you have more time available but it can work adversely as the emotional mix with others can be toxic). Some brutal appraisal is needed at times and probably best to walk with a small loss than endure an unpleasant long slide because your judgement and energies are being sapped.
In all honesty I prefer to choose times where I can play alone at a table.
My bets may often be disguised with minor variations, but at this stage that is not important - it will be later.
Quote from: XXVV on Feb 08, 03:39 PM 2011
A couple of further points to be as clear as possible in this context....
-----20 pages with 294 posts,and nothing is clear to me as yet.
You haven't revealed your secrets nor prove it.
Why this secret teasing,expectancy and million words if nothing
is clear to me and others I pressume.Put the cards on the table mate
so we can see what you have.
Suggest the last two posters more carefully read, study and apply the notes from most recent pages where specific bets have been listed.
I have been very concerned that I have been way too explicit in showing the pathway to a family of bets and a methodology which provides genuinely excellent return.
The heading for this thread is "a framework". It is not a methodology that has to be explicitly stated, demonstrated or proven by me, but a genuine path for further development and exploration by each participant.
I have attempted to describe my journey along this way, disappointments, false hopes, progress and some real excitement when approaching fantastic and real goals.
It is not my role to provide everything for you, but as I have said it is right under your nose if you study correctly and test, work and apply as I have done, often 10 hours a day for the past 9 months going down many false avenues before finding the best, which themselves have opened up even more exciting hidden cycles.
I suggest we put behind us all the disappointments of last year and move forward.
Wishing you well. Cheers XX VV
I have completed a month of live casino play and achieved an outcome I had never expected in the form that it has taken.
Readers of the thread will be able to follow the logic and I have explicitly stated where the benefits are to be found and the family of bets that are available when you look below the surface. It is up to you to develop and personalise your own approach from here.
I will be away now for a time.
The time has come to take this idea a quantum step further, lift our game and edit out some irrelevances. This may upset a few but I am simply trying to streamline a series of worthy ideas, test them and put some of the best ones into action, and share the knowledge, within reason.
This still leaves plenty of scope for individuals to design their own unique bets or combinations, and if they wish to contribute to the sum of knowledge, they can post under the new Experimental Ideas heading and this can be a melting pot for some exciting work ahead ultimately directed to make the best professional bets applied with smart strategies for success.
This is still within the Framework Section so we work with that structural understanding of overview and developing detail in balance.
Good Hunting. XX V V
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT
After discussions, we've decided to keep and re-open this thread.
BUT I WILL MONITOR IT DAILY AND DELETE ALL IRRELEVANT, VEXATIOUS, MISCHIEVOUS, AND TIME-WASTING POSTS.
No appeals. No discussion. So think carefully before posting here!
All helpful and positive contributions to this thread gratefully received. :thumbsup:
As the major poster and contributor XXVV wants to keep the thread 'tight', purposeful and entirely relevant.
And its content will also link in with his other developing threads and workshop.
Sometimes what is unpleasant can be our best friend when we take a little time and reflect. Thanks to the infamous 'cards on the table' comment it has provoked three threads instead of one!
This may be an added headache for some but I am not forcing you to read this.
This meandering thread truly reflects a journey and I am very grateful to Mr Commonsense1968 for initiating that line of thinking, and hopefully it will continue to meander on its journey to the Sea of Prosperity.
A lot can happen in 24 hours and I have decided to really push as hard as possible to enable this and the other threads to continue as a refection on preparation and achieving success in professional roulette play.
Thanks to Esoito and Victor for enabling this to continue.
The Experimental Ideas thread will be a cards on the table gritty workshop where we take risks and explore options, and publish results.
The Beyond Common Sense thread is , to use the word of the moment -a 'franchise' - of the 'Beyond' team (no -thats a bad joke) - is to be a locked ( no interruptions thankyou) ongoing update of application of C/S knowledge in a new live international casino campaign commencing in March.
Thats enough words. Now back to roulette. XXVV
Reflecting on these recent adjustments, and the default reason for this, a principle emerges which is critical. There has to be a REASON why the proposed bet works and you have to understand it and be able to EXPLAIN why it works to a third party.
( Explanation to a third party cements your understanding and trains our brain to strengthen for permanent recall the necessary bio-electronic links in the synapses - principle of creativity).
We have collective experience of the game, and this trial and error is filtered into our subconscious, with various degrees of purity depending on how we interpret experiences, ie winning and losing, our goals or lack of them, and our gambling ( reactive behaviour) or (preferably) our rational application of knowledge mixed with our fortune. This can give pure and brilliant intuitions, or just misleading and costly errors.
You know what we have said about luck, it favours the prepared mind, the brave and the wise, and the professionals. However even the best can be unlucky sometimes so we have to factor that in, and deal with it, but do not use it as a rationalisation for consistent failure. We have to make allowances for ourselves and not beat ourselves up. It is a fine balance.
Self image is vital. How do we see ourselves. What are we actually and accurately doing? Where are we going. What is the goal.....
Then some say that with a prepared bet that is understood there need be no room for luck. Well I believe there is a place and it is just another variable we deal with, factor in.
We have all read page 7. That is a clever summary.
However what gets to the real essence of the Game of Roulette is the knowledge that can give you a small TEMPORARY edge within all the variables at play and you, through your hard work and testing, have proven that at times, under certain circumstances you can win within certain parameters.
That's why parlay bets and streaks can be so extraordinary as they blow out the limited range of probablity theory and in a quantum shift can provide rapid and unpredictable fortune.
The essence of success is within the streaks, and the short term fluctuations within the results. Not the long term, but the short term - ie one to a few hundred spins. Harvesting these relatively consistently should be our goal.
Recognition of a possibility, then testing, then understanding the usual variance, the parameters of usual experience, then seeing how opportunites can be exploited. Now these can be quite consistent, and it is a matter of having a sort of switch that can be turned on and left on if the opportunity flows. It stops only when you have taken enough, knowing the usual parameters, or allowing for that rogue wave ( more common on the ocean than ever realised) and stopping only after a first loss. Talking here about streaks.
Specific examples we can look at in the Workshop.
That is why we are also talking about the reverse, and how to handle chops, and deal with the corrective forces. As FlukeyLuke put it so well you can go with the flow, either way. You just have to be prepared, have some order, and have a plan.
In the workshop thread I have gone into IA and "gapping" as useful tools which can help us prepare and be more prepared when at the table for what may be about to happen, and to set the group of trap bets for the ball to land in.
For those who have followed what was meant by IA, this approach which is incremental is also more of a 'quantum mechanics' way of looking at Nature as it works in relatively small parcels of information, rather than big samples ( say 100 spins or more), and certainly rather than massive samples (100,000 spins or more).
I have now broken the IA unit size to 4 spins. I do this because if 9 numbers are targetted, then this is a convenient resonance of a cycle. ( Similar but more effective than the 6x6 we have seen mentioned elsewhere).
Three sample sizes and three ways of measuring experience/ results. All very different.
Essence of professional roulette is to take advantage of short term trends, swings, skew, before natural correction can negate. Timing is everything.
However there may be a smaller cycle even less than the 30 to 100 to 200 spin cycle that we can take advantage of with good timing to take +3 to +10 profits in the ways we have been looking at ( EC bets/ Doz-Col patterns and matrix work using fuzzy logic/ ROBE +BORE patterns).
IA may enable us to look at very short term patterns from 3 spins to no more than say 20 spins. Such short term patterns are always bubbling along and invisible unless you can apply some sort of coding which we have touched on. I am wondering if the creative energies that form such patterns continuously work on a different level from the 'entropic' correction energies that can negate the short term gains mentioned above on the 30-200 spin size samples say.
If the smaller scale patterns have a continual energy source forever moving and re-shaping then at a certain level, in principle, I wonder if you can tune in
and harness that small cycle energy without fighting the same adverse cycle energies that operate on a larger scale, or at least to a different degree.
(Analogy to this would be to be out of the howling wind and sheltered by a house that is nestled into the hillside, a sort of "Stealth House" if you follow).
I hope you can follow this line of thinking. If in doubt please question. Anecdotal evidence suggests there is merit to this logic, and that there are methods that can be tailored to this smaller scale. More later.
This where the Physicists will be smiling. Theory can run ahead of proven fact and the technicians (me) in the experimental laboratory are struggling to support the idea of another level of behaviour at that micro spin scale.
In short have binned (or shelved) a pretty idea, but now it will have to be re-visited from another angle. Testing has two sides. Usually ironically encouraging to start and then the hard work starts. More later.
I am sorry for the readers when theory runs ahead of proven practice. It is necessary in this Game to be humble in attitude at all times. As soon as you may think you have a new way the trap door opens! Those full 30 sessions are fundamental requirements!
Patience is necessary in testing as in play.
What is needed now is to look at the problem as if it is a shiny new model of a superb new ship or aircraft and as a child, hold it in your hands and turn it around looking at it from every possible angle. Thats the image that comes to me now.
There may be a way with those 4 number cycles and IA, or maybe it is limited in its use (only) as a tool to carefully checking ongoing cycles during play.
As we were discussing there are short cycles of opportunity and it may of course apply to these small spin cycles after all, and therefore it is necessary to re-visit those results and see just where to step on and off the magical wheel. It would be handy if the music could give us a clue when it stops! (Lol)
Onward and upward!
As per the work on Four Wheel Sections under Roulette Methods, am exploring several permutations now by trial and error ( with full testing to every most promising show - groups of 3, 4 and 6 spins and groups of 3, 6, 9 numbers in varying combinations.
In theory I like resonances of 9.
Will update with testing in due course.
It is Common Sense to follow what is hot and why go into the freezer to select sleepers. That is asking for nightmares. Hence the comment of 55 sessions of failure when sleeper nine number section is chosen ( refer the 4 section of the wheel thread). Sleeper duration can be like whales or rogue waves - big and always bigger ones waiting!
You need to select by an interactive method to respond and act upon the streaks ( long may they run!) or respond promptly to change, probably most sensibly by stepping aside.
We may be able to see through a glass darkly at times ( or through the fog) but predictive work can be volatile - it runs hot and cold, therefore is dangerous.
Best to access, acknowledge and run with the streaks which may occur 20% of the total time*
* subject to verification by test depending on the grouping chosen.
This is key information.
Quote from: XXVV on Feb 22, 06:29 PM 2011
It is Common Sense to follow what is hot and why go into the freezer to select sleepers. That is asking for nightmares. Hence the comment of 55 sessions of failure when sleeper nine number section is chosen ( refer the 4 section of the wheel thread). Sleeper duration can be like whales or rogue waves - big and always bigger ones waiting!
You need to select by an interactive method to respond and act upon the streaks ( long may they run!) or respond promptly to change, probably most sensibly by stepping aside.
We may be able to see through a glass darkly at times ( or through the fog) but predictive work can be volatile - it runs hot and cold, therefore is dangerous.
Best to access, acknowledge and run with the streaks which may occur 20% of the total time*
That is probably THE most sensible advice I've read in a long while! :thumbsup:
Follow the streaks. Stop trying to predict outcomes.
And yes, knowing when to "step aside", when to dampen down the Greed Factor and fan the flames of the Commonsense Factor by following the heat...
* subject to verification by test depending on the grouping chosen.
This is key information.
The Workshop Thread now shows my idea for Strategic Matrix for betting while hunting streaks. Its all flat staking and not even parlay/ paroli any more.
Trying to keep it simple, effective, and with minimal risk exposure.
PS
You might like to refer to the OFF-TOPIC section and the Chch E/Q Appeal note. Thanks.
Its going to take us a week or so but the goal is to develop an Optimum Betting Strategy Matrix (OBSM) for this sort of streak hunting approach.
Using IA ( previous 5 spins) will measure volatility.
Using EA ( previous 20 + spins) will measure cyclic anomalies and opportunities
Looking to find the best logical pathway through (say) first dozen bets in a sequence.
Will be live play from Friday onward so can live test for final checks.
Will update when possible.
Moral Tale
Spent 60 minutes writing a revealing and informative article on latest research.
Went to post and was logged out. So its all lost.
Too bad. From that 'give me a sign' - that material will not be published.
Had a very successful short campaign.
Will update with other material soon.
Funny how u make 'Signs' fit the cause eh/
That was not a sign...................U should have saved (Copy-Paste to Notepad) Ur work in U are in One 'Open' program like the Forum.
I have done the same.
Then got timed out from What ever Vehicle, the session material was in.
Its was not a sign to deny us Rich..............anything over 10 lines next time- Copy it eh!!!
Keep up the fine works.
Chris
There has been a massive input of knowledge and experience from the short and intense campaign just completed and now new work playing the live roulette web casinos - the ones I trust and who have always paid out.
Life experience like life events can come in quantum bursts - thankfully not always but at this time my experience is rapidly expanding!
I will reflect on what was going to be posted and it will come through again in the various threads. What is so exciting is a the principle of demonstration where you bring principles and thoughts learned and apply them in concrete terms.
It is a bit like the Alchemist's Laboratory at times - have you heard a casino called that before - but it is - a testing and tempering of our natures.
Some might mistake the heat and stress as somewhere else, but no this is a great opportunity to put theory into practice. And turn dross into gold and then worthy charities can benefit also with pre -agreed and goal setting tithe percentages ( royalties). Perhaps this may also help your Fortune. There is no better feeling than distributing profit.
When I started live, I lost the first three sessions and the first day was a disaster in that context- in other ways not. A test. I was not ready and was exhausted after travel. Note to self. First day - always sight seeing. No live play!!!
Best results are coming from observing the game results and bringing out the appropriate methods to suit - not rushing in and facing a wall of choppy play. Wait for the right moment. Dont make the cardinal error of hanging your latest brainchild and pet theory on the first set of results that come to you. The screens in the casinos were often faulty anyway so you could not even pre-screen.
I am finding that 'overlap' of a couple of methods can bring the cross hairs to a target more effectively and also aggressive play pays big dividends when called for.
Some new research ideas will be discussed in coming days.
Key as always now will be to understand "the true nature of roulette" and apply appropriate traps to catch the streaks and trends. Remember as I did that losses come in streaks as do wins!
Great Hunting!
Thank goodness this format is restored. I lost another hour long post yesterday amongst all the confusion - sorry Chris I didnt follow your advice.
Life is full of fuzzy contradictions or menacing occupants racing around in golf buggies.
One such is Charles Scammer.
I have made a new thread in the Introduction so that any one who has news or wants to join in collective legal and institutional action can do so with my encouragement.
That the 'high moral card' was played by Charles in this game, means it is one game he will certainly eternally lose, because you dont mess with that level of Life. The ideas and actions postulated were for a vision ahead that is achievable and is actually already available in some places/organisations.
However that it could be directed to and for professional players, and that general good would result, was a great dream for many. It seems that the offer as extended by pppcwealth was empty.
Well, the good news is this is available now. And you can action it yourself with professional attitude, knowledge, practice, discipline, plans and a royalty arrangement you can establish today if you wish with your favourite bank, organisation, charity or Trust. You can organise some fellows as companions, as a new plan and vision you can participate within and can contribute to its management. Keep it simple and as Charlie Sheen advises ( blink/ cringe and Nike winces) "Do it Now!".
It is just that for me, the clock ticked over 5 months, and I am preparing to take action to ensure temporal justice is done. So I invite others to join me, or to be invited by others who are well down the track already to join them!
Ironically those 'individuals' mentioned above published remarkably helpful and knowledgable advice for professional roulette play. We are still distilling some of that material. Much of it where specific and sometimes with notes forwarded to individuals, the advice was very helpful. However always check and test. Dont believe everything you read.
So we come back to the term 'the true nature of roulette'.
It will be possible to construct a paragraph that summarises this phenomenon and the opportunities it offers.
Working on that now. Best XXVV.
Yes I take tomorrow seriously.
Because of that and all the good work that is put up in this Forum and am grateful for this shared and secure space, I have made a donation of $40 USD to the Forum.
I believe it would be a good idea, and responsible action by all members who value this work, to donate as soon as possible for good management and good forward planning/ continuity. You are not likely to be asked for this from any GM, so lets be pro-active as individual members and support this fantastic work in progress!
Best XXVV
It is fascinating the differences and allowances you have to make for not only different locations to play roulette but also the different technologies and timings allowed and required for internet live roulette.
At the moment I am using Dublin Bet, and the only minor glitch was a loss of signal momentarily after some wins and a new big bet and a note saying they will switch to a RNG. So I cut all bets and coincidentally normal service resumed. It was all innocent I am sure.
Play was busy in Dublin around midnight local time so I had 2-3 minutes per bet, and at other times it is the usual 1min. plus. The ample time is a luxury.
The timing and format of DB once you are used to it is fine.
Regarding withdrawal of profit ensure you maintain a daily 'float' or they will require 48 hours from deposit to withdrawal on credit card. This is sufficient time for most punters to lose patience and their profit.
The other outfit I am using is now the Latvian lovely ladies on Bet365.
It is VERY fast and your techniques/ methods need to be refined probably using the rebet button plus.
I like Bet 365 and have never had a problem especially after I spoke to one of their Duty Managers in Stoke on Trent and discussed football relegation prospects.
They brilliantly allow immediate withdrawal of profit via VISA and so this can act as a brilliant 'home pocket' in terms of money management - a real 'trap door' wallet which is so practical.
Once I had released myself from the enchanting spell of the very poised dealers, I then started making some profits. Key here is, because of the speed of the game, obtain a real overview and feel for the game before placing any bets. However the base unit at 0.25p is helpful for stepped short progression work. It can be VERY difficult.
What I am trying to say is that each unique roulette environment is SO unique. It takes time to learn and avoid the traps. Dont rush in but first become familiar by playing virtually or at low level. Also select only those methods where you can reach fast and correct decisions.
Two of the B+M casinos I use are very different in lighting, mood, patronage and dealer/ pit management style. Again it takes at least several days to tune into the correct 'zone' to handle these to your peak efficiency.
Talking of timing, it is amazing even though a professional 'full time player'. I spend only a fraction of my 'working' time at the tables.
All else is backround, R+D, preparation and gaining the 'intelligence' required to play in a particular location and style, as noted above.
There has been some fine professional comment on various threads recently and the note regarding size of RB is very important.
We have streaks of losses as well as wins, and that state of mind, that professional confidence, that certainty and self belief is initially fragile and needs to be nurtured with great care.
It is the nature of roulette to provide short cycles of opportunity with which, if we are alert and well prepared, we can take advantage of with a small short term edge, and step aside before the inexorable correction takes place.
We have a unique power as a player, and that is to start or stop at will. This factor is not available to the Casino. Key is to take profit and disburse before it and the opportunity to gain it, is lost.
I believe there are numerous ways, hundreds of ways, to achieve short term edge, although I am currently re-checking a method we devised some years ago which at the time was checked by a professional applied mathematician who maintained it had +5% edge on the house ( average - it varies over time).
This method was shelved because at times it bubbles along and at others becomes dangerously dormant and not suited to flat staking. Nevertheless I use parts of the method for identifying targets daily.
At those latter times the house can savagely claw back your earlier gains unless you have in place a valve, a gate, a stop.
So again, even with a substantial edge, unless you can constantly monitor your game, the cyclic nature of roulette can work against you.
Fundamental is to seek out the streaks and the trends in the short term, ie less than 200 spins. In these areas extreme conditions and distortions can apply which you can use to your considerable advantage. So different to the larger cycles, yet they too can carry through odd distortions for a while.
Today in Dublin, I had 4 appearances of number 16 in 5 spins, or 7 appearances in 25 spins. That gave me a 100% profit on RB.
Just back from a torrid 4 days live play where my head was spinning. Not sure whether it was EQ awareness/ Nuclear Power awareness / Tsunami awareness week, menacing golf buggies, or the Equinox and Massive Moon- but it sure compressed a lot of powerful experiences!!! That combined with my hotel repeatedly screening the film 'The Knowing' in the middle of the night; it has had me on edge.
One of my colleagues has provided R.D.Ellison's "Gamble to Win-Roulette" 2002 and some of the direct practical advice within is priceless.
The definition of 'compulsion' alone is very thought provoking and needs to be faced head-on by any serious player.
I will put my hand up straight away to admit I have fallen into many traps and on this trip because of my stress and anxiety, at times I really did make stupid mistakes which I now better understand.
There is a lot of sense in the advice to build up your bank reserves actually on line rather than at the B+M Casinos because, and it is a massive qualification needed though that your methodology and play must be simple and effective in case of signal errors, there are far fewer draining distractions in your own environment, than in the den of the casino owners.
It seems an obsession in our society now to have loud intrusive music and white noise signals to prove to ourselves we are in party mode - and thus more readily able to part with our cash because we are having such 'fun'.
The poor individuals who have no choice but to work in those environments need our sympathy because their nervous systems are being worn out prematurely.
When three or more sound sources are interfacing at the live roulette table our concentration is being attacked.
Like the poker players I am now considering dark glasses and ear plugs/ ipod music at all live play.
Ellison's book is highly recommended and his web links.
The professional player really must take counter measures to retain peak efficiency. This may need to be a week minimum stay at a favourite location with appropriate spacing of sauna/ yoga/ massage/ health spa/ gym/ lots of physical exercise/ lots of relaxation/ movies/ fresh air, as well as the hit and run sessions.
I cant believe what I've learned in the past week in terms of my own shortcomings - although I have also seen how to fix them or at least get underway. The amount of planning and selection of casino has to be exact and truthful. As also your accommodation - 5* or simple. Proximity to casino is probably handy for safety as well as efficiency.
If you want a quiet game and a lovely location there may only be one table open. Are you able to have a catalogue of methods for when one has achieved a suitable goal and the bank is re-tracing, what do you do next.
These are serious questions.
You can see why planning is actually a lot of fore-seeing situations. Sometimes you need to go through a rapid change of scenes and make a host of mistakes, so as to ensure next time there, if there is a next time there, you make a full, not partial success of it.
Yes it is very hard work.
Its a 'Job' of work at the end of the day eh XXVV............hard graft.
Heavy on the concentration.
LIGHT ON THE BR!!................. :xd:
Yes
To my surprise, and it took reading a book to really trigger the thought, there is a strong case to insulate yourself as a pro from some of the live casino nonsense which is so time consuming, energy consuming and expensive.
It may be that the stronger situation to build a bankroll is actually in the comfort of your own office when you are dealing with reliable and trustworthy live casino feeds.
Sure, once achieved to a suitable level, then play can be split on a case by case basis. It also comes down to your own temperament and just what you can deal with and where and when.
It amazes me all these new variables have now been triggered. It is a part of the necessary learning experience and dealing with the true facts and reality of live play in different locations.
You need to be more and more fully prepared for pro live play and I can see that the requirements and opportunities and knowledge are all there. What is needed is a plan and organisation and realistic goals. More on all of this soon.
One of the biggest mistakes anybody can make is to enter the casino and rush straight to the table and start playing.
I have found that by having a drink first and just wandering around the casino for 20-25 minutes to get acclimatised can make all the difference.
Some people say you should not drink alcohol but I always have one beer just to loosen up a bit and then stroll around the tables watching people lose money. That then gives me the motivation that I am going to leave the casino a winner.
This plan has worked for the best part of 3 years. To become a winner, you have to feel like a winner and that means doing whatever it takes to feel relaxed and confident when you start playing. It is amazing how much positive energy you can actually draw from a casino when you later consider all the negative elements of such a place.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Mar 21, 03:23 PM 2011
That statement of your is contradicting your Avatar LoL
Not really dear Iboba, the avatar says 'your' only chance, not mine. :wink:
Only joking. Let's face it, only a lottery win is going to give me a lifestyle that I dream about. The casino is a grind no matter what. That is why when I watch others lose, I am ready for a fight to come out ahead. :thumbsup:
Quote from: flukey luke on Mar 21, 03:30 PM 2011
Not really dear Iboba, the avatar says 'your' only chance, not mine. :wink:
Only joking. Let's face it, only a lottery win is going to give me a lifestyle that I dream about. The casino is a grind no matter what. That is why when I watch others lose, I am ready for a fight to come out ahead. :thumbsup:
Nobody got rich on the table,but bread and butter yes.
I don't bay a lottery tickets...roulette for me is challenge and psycho relaxation.
Yes 'psycho' relaxation is a good description of time in the B+M casinos!
This has been a fascinating period of learning, and btw the Equinox will always bring a harvest of experiences ( particularly the Autumnal Equinox which we have just experienced down south).
To be honest my intuition had actually warned me to delay my trip one week, and in hindsight ( yes its always hindsight!) I can see why. It is more difficult to be cool calm and collecting when you are stressed to the gills with world events and time pressures that were fooloishly self imposed upon myself.
Never mind - great good has come out of this.
Ever stronger resolve to conduct professional roulette business in a manner that is true to yourself - not some corroded excuse where you have allowed negative forces - casino counter intelligence activities - to erode your integrity and wallet.
It sounds dramatic but it is actually simple. We must think through what we need, and the conditions required given available time/ resources.
I played in one casino mid morning and they kindly opened one table for me. But what do you do after you have travelled several hundred miles and you have a nice profit in ten minutes.
On the internet I could withdraw it and put it back into my VISA account. Live, I should pocket it - if I had a pocket! - no, so I left the cash chips on the table. Not surprisingly, in this instance anyway, they had gone within 90 minutes after a fair tussle, and some further cash input. Missed the tide.
A few days earlier I suppose I later reflected on that happy event where I had made 400% by just keep on going but then I was refreshed and energised at the beginning of the tour. On this latter fateful morning I was much wearier than I realised.
Big lessons here.
The casino in opening the one table had no other roulette tables open for most of my playing time - only one at higher unit values later just waiting to vacuum all my cash - good timing by the management. That invitation was politely declined.
Fair enough thats their game. But how naive of me to not be prepared for that circumstance. ALL circumstances need to be foreseen and have a plan of action organised.
It is fascinating to read Ellison's book on the subject of compulsion. Even the most experienced professionals can be tempted. It is an element that has to be faced, understood and managed EVERY time we play. Just know its there and acknowledge it; dont deny it, but handle it and steer your personality away from the traps.
I think we need to view ourselves as multi level beings and at the higher levels kindly direct the less mature elements of our natures.
I wont go into the metaphysical/ spiritual, but our physical world is very complex/ testing and we have to deal with it as adults, experienced adults, if we are going to succeed.
The choice to be a player in such a challenging environment is a bold step but one that will bring many many rewards.
Last night on Mtv I was watching the troubles of a young and gifted professional poker player. Success had come very early to him and then fortune had deserted him and he was really troubled by re-emphasising failure and loss and of course this spilled into all aspects of his life. Success came too soon, before he was mature and prepared.
Rightly he has taken a break from the game.
With Roulette which is such a one on one game the struggles and battles are inner and we need to bring our experience and knowledge, and our growing wisdom to the wheel long before we find the right techniques for trapping a winning number.
Failing that priority, it will all be in vain. I need not mention the percentages because these are not set; there is no concrete ratio. Anything is possible!The game is a wonderful opportunity to learn on many levels.
Good Hunting.
I must emphasise how much I am enjoying and drawing from RD Ellison's book earlier mentioned. Within that book are other references and some brilliantly selected and inspirational quotes. In due course on the experimental workshop thread some key principles will be summarised for us all.
Gamble to Win: Roulette is honest, direct, practical and very well laid out. Huge respect too for Lyle Stuart as Publisher who is a proven brilliant player.
Where I am really helped is the shared experience of someone working along the same path, with great depth of experience, and yet who is totally honest wrt weakness, vulnerability, complacency, compulsion, reality checks and other techniques to overcome these very human conditions which we all have within our natures. Our task is to manage these.
It is amazing what some research and a little extra digging accomplishes.
Sorry, I should have referred to the Maestro as the late Lyle Stuart who passed away 6 years ago. What a colourful character. He took on the biggest and eventually won, to his credit, but not until after some very stressful times.
RD Ellison has also had some colourful experiences.
If you didn't need reminding the path for a professional on any casino circuit is very tough and we certainly need to toughen/ strengthen/ protect ourselves in the face of adversities. It applies to all business so the more research and development we do behind the scenes is paramount.
Also it is a fascinating life principle but even though we may be fluent in some areas of our personality with great skills, even genius level, but in other aspects we may have 'black holes' of stupidity where we still need to do a lot of work. I dont see professional roulette, or professional work in any field, any different from any other area of life experience. It is full of opportunities for us to grow and become better and stronger. One aspect of that is to assist others.
More on this soon with some new references.
Cannot emphasise enough the hard graft in preparation for the more 'glamorous' side of the business, ie that of TESTING.
It is necessary to be explicit in the terms and conditions applied to any test.
Particularly so if progressions are involved.
At this time 90% of my working time is spent testing for the key 'anchor bets' that will be applied over the coming months in full professional play.
I am not running in the popularity stakes but am seeking truth in results.
Context of testing. Ensure sessions are kept independent. Short sessions of roulette express short term trends and bias/skews. Forces are swirling and ebbs and flows of cyclic tides produce very strange outcomes in short term random play results.
As a rule of thumb you can limit sessions to 3 x37 ( say 120 spins) to ensure exposure to these phenomena.
After 37 spins, certainly 74, the corrective and filling forces are at work.
Thus when testing ensure you limit to within one and one only session of live play. ( Edited data may miss these separations and thus miss/ misunderstand these vital energies that are short term).
Take for example the Pattern Breaker/Filler game. We are watching for the eighth pattern to become appraent by its absence.
When noted we can then play either for it to manifest ( or partially manifest) or to be continually denied.
I believe the Filler game is best and the partial, step by step filling of this pattern is using the corrective forces to our advantage.
Please refer to the Pattern Breaker thread.
The world can be viewed not just from one frame of reference, but simultaneously from several. Just so roulette as quantum packets and yet also as cyclic wholes which obey probability theory. In the short term though there is a branch of mathematics that can enable a consistent edge in roulette as long as we are quick on our feet and can shift frames of reference rapidly and in tune to this cosmic dance.
Success will thus entail overlay and overlap of at least two modes/ methods simultaneously. Access to trends is short term. Access to completion patterns is longer term.
By working in EC terms/ clusters and working in threes of EC clusters we are protecting ourselves from brutal random behaviour swings that would punish us for being too precise with our speculations ( inside table bets), and yet can handle short steps of repeating trends building to a manifestation of the completion of a cycle ( eighth pattern).
Hope this makes sense ( I lost an earlier draft).
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 18, 12:43 AM 2011
The world can be viewed not just from one frame of reference, but simultaneously from several. Just so roulette as quantum packets and yet also as cyclic wholes which obey probability theory. In the short term though there is a branch of mathematics that can enable a consistent edge in roulette as long as we are quick on our feet and can shift frames of reference rapidly and in tune to this cosmic dance.
Yes you can view roulette as quantum informations, but first you need to defined states, that you will be observing in vector space. Inside abstract field changes can be observed and calculated. The smallest part of the system is equaly important as system as a whole and all possible observables must be included or in other words, you can't make things up. It must have a mathematical reasons for mechanics of your model.
For quantum informations you also need spin and directions inside vector space, where also should be notice that everything is reflected and with 1 collected piece informations you have also inverse piece. I already suggested in my posts that spin should be meassure by distance, directions as position and refelections should be constant of 2 numbers (the most probable combination).
Anyway, even if we are correct and we have correct model, there is no guarantee that system will work and random might be just random, but at least we know that we use all possible logic avaible and we should accepted that winning is impossible.
The main problem is also that theory must be valid for the wheel and number layout. This is quite hard to do it.Regards
Quote from: RBR7 on Apr 18, 11:32 AM 2011
Yes you can view roulette as quantum informations, but first you need to defined states, that you will be observing in vector space. Inside abstract field changes can be observed and calculated. The smallest part of the system is equaly important as system as a whole and all possible observables must be included or in other words, you can't make things up. It must have a mathematical reasons for mechanics of your model.
For quantum informations you also need spin and directions inside vector space, where also should be notice that everything is reflected and with 1 collected piece informations you have also inverse piece. I already suggested in my posts that spin should be meassure by distance, directions as position and refelections should be constant of 2 numbers (the most probable combination).
Anyway, even if we are correct and we have correct model, there is no guarantee that system will work and random might be just random, but at least we know that we use all possible logic avaible and we should accepted that winning is impossible.
The main problem is also that theory must be valid for the wheel and number layout. This is quite hard to do it.
Regards
Thank you RBR7 and for your earlier posts which I will re-study.
I certainly agree with you that theory must be valid for the wheel and the layout and yes it is quite hard to do.
I would like to state that I believe it is possible to win ( more often than lose) by application to some degree of success this principle by selection of smarter bets and handling of randomness by selective use of outside table bets ( I have changed my view on this yet again and I am back with this view) and smart timing.
By smart timing I mean timing as to when to recognise and enter a window of opportunity and when to exit.
Play/ testing that continues on without pause does not understand the true nature of roulette which offers in small cycles behaviour which is counter to the long term expectations of probability theory. Short term behaviour can offer trends, bias and skews which are analagous to the swirls and eddies iof the river that may run counter to the general effect of gravity longterm.
But that is not really the best analogy because the tide may actually reverse and swing many times in a short cycle pattern as a complete opposite in its own little universe to that of an extended period of play where behaviour will most probably iron out more evenly after several thousand, or several hundred thousand spins and then meet the criteria of probability theory.
Working within a short cycle and accurately reading the signs, the pattern, the trend manifesting, on wheel and / or table, we can achieve great success temporarily as long as we recognise the time to exit and retain (most of) our profit, till the next opportunity.
Back to the future...
HI XXVV,
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 18, 04:46 PM 2011
I certainly agree with you that theory must be valid for the wheel and the layout and yes it is quite hard to do.
With valid theory for both I meant to unified table layout and wheel layout, with distances as connecting elements or maybe with summed constants between sets of numbers. I'm not sure yet about that because, I don't know how everything can be recreated with single formula.
The best way to start in my opinion is to construct only simple abstract number field, where numbers are represent by vectors and numbers are in mathematical equilibrium, as vectors as in geometrical. Wheel problem can solved when we have a working and understandable model already.
It is fascinating the wheel result (starting with 26+3+35+12+28+7=111) is 111+222+333=666 and each half is worth 333 and also with fact that number for one side have his +-18 distance pair on the second side. There are certain indications that author of the wheel did placed numbers with formula.
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 18, 04:46 PM 2011
I would like to state that I believe it is possible to win ( more often than lose) by application to some degree of success this principle by selection of smarter bets and handling of randomness by selective use of outside table bets ( I have changed my view on this yet again and I am back with this view) and smart timing.
Timing as I see it, is more the state in which system is in when we observing it in snapshot of time with predefined frame of reference. Time in general is only difference between 2 events and can be treated as another spatial dimension in vector space (abstracted field).
If we look randomness as changes of states (change in time between states) and that roulette doesn't have memory, but do have balance/ equilibrium, is all that we need to do, is to observe this changes on higher level of whole system. But first we must predefined states that must have equal elements and I suggest 6 elements with equal distance 6, because of mathematical and geometrical reasons (I will explain in my theory).
So if you look this elements like +-/6,12,18,24,30,36=distances :
1.7.13.19.25.31. 4.10.16.22.28.34. odd/even +-3,9,15,21,27,33 distance
2.8.14.20.26.32. 5.11.17.23.29.35. odd/even +-3,9,15,21,27,33 distance
3.9.15.21.27.33. 6.12.18.24.30.36. odd/even +-3,9,15,21,27,33 distance
Now we need connecting element that connect this 3 columns in between. That is +-5 or +-7 because it goes from columns 1-2-3 or 2-3-1 or 3-1-2 and if you place number in matrix you will get.
01.08.15.22.29.36. or 01.06.11.16.21.26.
07.14.21.28.35.06. or 31.36.05.10.15.20.
13.20.27.34.05.12. or 25.30.35.04.09.14.
19.26.33.04.11.18. or 19.24.29.34.03.08
25.32.03.10.17.24. or 13.18.23.28.33.02.
Notice that number are arranged in horizontal +-7 and vertical numbers in next row is +-6 (36+7=43-36=7) or +-5 and vertical number in next row is also +-6. This is natural order, but result of columns and rows in both matrices is still not constant and needs to be rearrange to match fixed value. This is basically what vector field will look, except that this is representation with matrices (matrices are basics for QM and vector field)
What I'm trying to say is that if we look result in three different columns in same time frame we can look all elements in distance 6 and then also interconnection between +-5 (between columns) and this will have effect on calculated combination. I will post this more in my unified theory.
Regards
Thanks RBR7 and I will look forward to your further progress in Unified Theory.
I am sorry that I have not replied earlier but I took a needed refresher break to re-prioritise my work. Will respond to your work at a later date.
At present my focus is short cycle activity, in particular to take advantage of the Ecart phenomena in relatively short sequences, as opposed to the longer cycle corrective averaging forces.
Yes I am interested only in smart bets and smart timing to get in and get out with grace and skill taking profit in a window of opportunity.
Yesterday, playing the Latvian live feed casino I saw a situation that suited two of my favourite methods and a short screen sample of 12 spins demonstrated that we were 'in phase' for these two methods. We achieved great success over several dealer changes and the energies ran positive for about 70 spins and then it was time to quit as the success rate tailed off.
I view play as friendly, neutral or hostile and all have three sub grades such as magic, very friendly or just friendly for the first category.
Our comprehension of such a phase is of course very subjective, as one persons meat can be another's poison when it comes to methodologies in this matrix of roulette.
Where my methods worked was in the characteristic of short repeating rapid turnover cycles of opportunity and warm repeat numbers working also in short cycles. I wont go into the methods because the principle we are talking about here is that of timing and accurate selection of appropriate attack.
Mixing metaphors hopelessly here we can say we bring out the correct artillery as 'horses for courses'.
To take the metaphor to absurd levels we have an arsenal of perhaps 11 first rate techniques and a reserve bench of a further 9 hopefuls to call upon in the event of injury or poor form.
Our 'reading' of the game should enable our attack to get underway unless we choose to wait and see. RD Ellison wisely aligns Roulette to Chess, in that we are seeking to beat a massive opponent with limitless resources, through skill, cunning and timing.
My approach is thus pragmatic, experimental, flexible, and a (vision of) battlefield experienced General's approach to overview and strategy-a very long way from a Grand Unfied Theory.
Nevertheless I note RBR7 acknowledges that the smallest part of a system is equally important as the whole. Our approach has to be very sensitive to change. Thus careful entry and exit is essential for profit.
More on this soon.
As an aside, here's interesting info on Ecart:
link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-1.html (link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-1.html)
link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-2.html (link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-2.html)
link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-statistical-ecart-the-law-of-series-flat-betting/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-statistical-ecart-the-law-of-series-flat-betting/)
Thanks Esoito
Very helpful and much appreciated.
X
Quote from: esoito on May 11, 09:58 PM 2011
As an aside, here's interesting info on Ecart:
link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-1.html (link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-1.html)
link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-2.html (link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-2.html)
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Right it is clear we are after the
Statistical or Relative Ecart of appearances exclusively in short cycles.
Have just been through massive testing of a method that promised much, said all the right things ( or at least its inventors did) but it did not perform because another one of the criteria we need to add in our search, as stated earlier, but now reinforced, is relative simplicity and speed of operation.
Waiting for the planets to come into alignment is not my first priority, although when it happens thats remarkable.
Aiming to set out some key and proven criteria and methods very soon now. In setting these out for myself this may help others.
On this thread I am going to explore the principle of climbing on to a streak and staking aggressively in an optimum period determined by prior testing to be a most likely outcome.
In other words a parlay on a consistent winning sequence.
At this time on the Divide and Conquer thread and also on my Workshop (Experimental bets in Professional Play) we are examining some methods prepared by John Legend and Scooby Doo. First of these to be looked at is the Divide and Conquer matrix idea.
Trigger to start the parlay bet will be a correction phase followed by ( at least) one winning bet. Optimum strike may be a simple 1-2-3 parlay on the following three bets, ie we are seeking ( at least) a run of four wins. We can also let the streak proceed one game at a time and then simply stop at the first check ( ie -2 points). These streaks can go 20 or more wins in a row.
testing these ideas now and will report in a few days.
Key here in climbing on board a streak is to recognise, acknowledge and act on the correction phase having passed and it will be followed by a Deviation streak which can be 22 or more wins in row. That is a win using a short progression say 1-3-9 until hit, orv a several step 2-6/4-12/ 8-24 and so on.
As a reality check yes I did encounter a game that was hit on the 7th attempt. Such is hard to play out, so I believe it is best to let these phases pass, then climb on. Not continuous play.
I will be very honest with you. My head swirls at times because there are SO MANY principles to remember and take into account, but with more and more practice and testing it becomes clearer and clearer that timing is everything!
So by commencing play AFTER a major loss event ( watching it virtually), then we can start a sequence and could take a nibble, but also could start an aggressive short progression on the winning streak. Say 2-3-5-8
But remember they may not all be won on the first attempt and some may go to three, So in this case you might have a tasty 8x9 bet on the 3rd attempt in one of these streaks. You can take comfort that statistically the short term odds are in your favour. That is why we are using the Ecart phase.
Another way is to use a trigger like a LLW loss or worse and then simply play for a one -off flat bet win. These attempts themselves could be stepped if necessary.
In both of these exercises I have found the odds in our favour to start-stop this way.
As a reality check and replacing the dry test data with some live Latvian spins, I applied the D+C with these results on 80 spins.
Dozens
W
LW
LW
LLLLW
LW
W - climb on and play 2,3,5
W
W
W take main profit ( +10 points) but keep the streak moving at
lower
unit
LW
W play the streak at a basic level 1 risking 2 units
W
W
W
W
W
LW
LLLW
LW
W
Playing the first five games -22 points if playing 1-3-9 and stop
Playing the first 12 games -15 points
Yet 14 wins between losses - an opportunity for a streak play there
suggest 2,3,5 and make +10 points
Playing 2 hits after Loss +4 points at primary bet value
Columns
LW
W
LLW
W
W win 2 points here
LW
W
LW
W
W
W play 2,3,5 progression as chop has stabilised ( +10 points)
W
W
W
LW
W continue on with streak on level 1 staking, risking -2
W
W
W
W
W
W +22 points playing 1-3-9.
remarkable stable run of 22 and continued on....
Easy to play both dozens and columns even with high pressure time demand
This material is being updated with 500 game test sample on D+C thread.
Lots of BWAB ideas are being investigated.
Then we can have a look at P4 and PB.
XXVV
There has been such a harvest of ideas out of the D+C that there really is no need now to revisit the P4 and PB. There will be cross over applications in principle between matrix bets and I will leave it you to investigate.
Now might be a great opportunity to swing into something completely different... the pppc bet.
Context of this is to discuss and find ways to abstract a further level of bet that can be selectively applied, or not, as per the understanding of the game as it flows.
There are several areas we can look at and one is that so called pppc bet, and several others where primary and secondary bets can overlap on a method.
New work will explore this principle and endeavour to uncover several possibilities and provide some concrete examples, or at the very least to provide the framework for the individual to develop a personal, and very valuable, professional bet.
Betting on Pairs.
Outcomes that come in sets of two. Primary and secondary bets.
You can play win or loss on these as well
Also can incorporate the unbalanced pair of RO/BE and BO/RE as an unusual model but what that has inside table betting applications.
Posts on these ideas will follow in the next couple of days.
Over the next couple of days I will present a simple bet strategy for Pairs that can be successful when applied with triggers and stops. They are the key. This will present some options then it is up to you to develop your unique variation and source of the Pairs, for your own bet.
There is no limit to how often this needs to be re-stated.
For all the good methods and matrices and the rationalisations and the hit and run and the reputations and the famous gamblers and the whole shooting gallery(!) there is really only one parameter that sits above them all and it is timing and the knowledge of why that timing.
Examples will follow in a few days to make this clearer.
Progression, smesshion!!!
When will people realise that big progressions make for big big risk, and probably. ultimate failure.
Unless you can find the correct timing*, and not by 'luck', you may become like one of those unfortunate, sadly tragi-comic laboratory animals that go round and round in the wheel, which sadly is propelled by your own anxieties.
Please explore the alternative options. Exercise choice!
* When to start your real play and stop your real play in the game.
Quote from: esoito on May 11, 09:58 PM 2011
As an aside, here's interesting info on Ecart:
link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-1.html (link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-1.html)
link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-2.html (link:://rouletteattack.blogspot.com/2010/06/statistical-ecart-part-2.html)
link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-statistical-ecart-the-law-of-series-flat-betting/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-statistical-ecart-the-law-of-series-flat-betting/)
it is funny that you mention that vls post. as there are sseveral threads with application of this knowledge here at the forum and none has got many attention...
:o
"It is funny that you mention that VLS post. as there are sseveral threads with application of this knowledge here at the forum and none has got many attention..."
So post the links, then!!
ooh
i didn't mean this in detriment of our forum.
i did not post the links because it could be looked at as self publicity. anyway, for the sake of cross reference.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/safe-roulette-system-even-chance/link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/single-events-using-bollinger-bands-observations-for-even-money-bets/msg52623/#msg52623 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/safe-roulette-system-even-chance/link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/single-events-using-bollinger-bands-observations-for-even-money-bets/msg52623/#msg52623)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/plus1-unit-per-day/msg42164/#msg42164link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/sequence-analyzer-t3949/msg37718/#msg37718 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/plus1-unit-per-day/msg42164/#msg42164link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/sequence-analyzer-t3949/msg37718/#msg37718)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/coin-toss/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/coin-toss/)
there are probably more on this interesting subject. 8)
Cheers,
AL
Worth it just to see this and also our old friends Captain Nemo and Prisoner #6
:.keplerstern.com (link:://:.keplerstern.com)
Thanks Esoito
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 09, 09:28 PM 2011
Ooh
i didn't mean this in detriment of our forum.
i did not post the links because it could be looked at as self publicity. anyway, for the sake of cross reference.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/safe-roulette-system-even-chance/link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/single-events-using-bollinger-bands-observations-for-even-money-bets/msg52623/#msg52623 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/safe-roulette-system-even-chance/link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/single-events-using-bollinger-bands-observations-for-even-money-bets/msg52623/#msg52623)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/plus1-unit-per-day/msg42164/#msg42164link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/sequence-analyzer-t3949/msg37718/#msg37718 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/plus1-unit-per-day/msg42164/#msg42164link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/sequence-analyzer-t3949/msg37718/#msg37718)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/coin-toss/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/coin-toss/)
there are probably more on this interesting subject. 8)
Cheers,
AL
Thanks for this. Excellent work by Ego.
What became of Project 202...
Does anyone know?
If I were speculating next in the series was 2 0 2...
0Nil. Nemo.
Thanks for the links et al.
Sorry must delay the presentation of triggers and stops for Pairs. My work has been really in focus on D+C and generic matrix bets. So I must continue there at present.
In terms of the mental thread, the continuity of ideas, it is essential to keep moving with the direction of the energies, and not become distracted. Hence the current interest in movement of the Ecart/ Equilibre with timing, triggers and stops.
There clearly is some remarkable work that has been done on pairs outcomes in the context of the links shown, and it is best if I set my ideas on pairs aside for some time while the current work continues.
It will be necessary to travel soon and probably a good idea to pause for a while, then take four deep breaths!
Thankyou to recent correspondents and posts.
Best XXVV
it is very effective and a necessity to compartmentalize ideas.
work them with focus and avoid dispersion.
;)
Good Luck XXVV
always been a fan of your work
:thumbsup:
Why on earth don't players use their CS and back zero when playing matrix bets.
It is not difficult.
Just think it through and it is a bonus every time 0 or better still 00 shows.
This is basic.
There are also simple CS techniques to apply within reason that can contribute to RB loss recovery or setting up a hedge fund that will protect against inevitable RB loss.
For example in the matrix bets, say D+C , and there has been an example of powerful Ecart swings in both win or loss modes, then you can go with the swing and take a few easy bets, but then when the corrective forces are at play, then climb on and take a few bites in that other direction but at say triple value for one bet, and then say double value next bet. Short cycle edge.
But always go with the wheel as you remember the Gambler's Fallacy.
I write on this Forum exclusively.
XXVV
An interesting point here relates to the Gamblers Fallacy and yet working with Ecart swings to take advantage of a situation.
Answer is short term/ short cycle play for small returns with a small short term edge.
The Ecart is an observation of deviations. These can be relatively massive in the short term, ie within 10-20 spins. Yet over an extended period the corrections , the Equilibre, work to bring the deviations to within parameters which are more within our usual understanding, ie one to three standard deviations, that fit more comfortably within Probability Theory.
That is why the Gamblers Fallacy is so dangerous in that , yes there will be a correction, at some stage, eventually, but you cannot determine in advance just when because the deviations will just diminish over time, some times more gradually than others.
Better to go with the deviations, go with the Ecart, go with the wheel.
While you have the swing within your sights, harvest a small set of wins, and before it is eroded, stop.
Sometimes you can really push/ press your bets, and there has been brilliant writing on that. But first anchor your profit.
Be on the right side of the forces and work with the dominant!
I like to play zero.
As it turns out I like to play outside table bets as well.
By playing these two forms simultaneously but independently, an interesting synergy becomes available.
This is open to a lot more detail study.
Well for one thing, playing one and only one inside table bet means it is very very hard for the casino to beat you when you carry on 'an open book' policy and run the play from one session to the next until a hit and then re-set.
Quote from: XXVV on Jul 24, 11:03 PM 2011
Well for one thing, playing one and only one inside table bet means it is very very hard for the casino to beat you when you carry on 'an open book' policy and run the play from one session to the next until a hit and then re-set.
i don't get it
Dear Iggiv
Thank you for your response and your curiosity which I sincerely appreciate.
Please reflect on what has been clearly stated already in the previous few posts on this thread and the others on which I write. There are not many words involved at all. I do not think I could put it more clearly. I will not elaborate on this further but it is a simple and effective way to improve your results to achieve more consistent success. Please note I do not say constant success.
Soon I will have to leave and be unable to write so frequently but I can honestly say some really good work has been done. Thank you for your various questions which have been a pleasure to try to answer! (lol).
Sincerely XXVV
thanx XXVV.
sorry if i can't follow some stuff due to lack of time
Thanks Iggiv
I really didn't make myself very clear did I! (lol)
What I was saying is actually so simple it is actually the hardest for any player to apply. That is to target just one inside table bet and play on and on and on, from session to session, even if at the close of one session the hit had not been made, but is carried on the next until the hit is eventually made.
In this case it is Zero.
But the difference is that zero is the only inside table bet that can 'cover' the outside table bets in one single action. It is beautiful in its simplicity.
However I think we could write a Thesis on how we inter-relate and manage the zero with the outside bets by independent yet linked banks.
It is food for thought.
Best XXVV
Will be on the road for an extended time now.
Sorry to have seen some valued colleagues have left the Forum.
Have really enjoyed many experiences here in the past 12 months.
Cheers XXVV
Hello commonsense1968,
Amazing posts....
Have you reviewed CODE 4....
JohnLegends threads/posts......
DIVIDE AND CONQUER?.........
Hello XXVV..........
Quote from: XXVV on Jun 26, 09:48 PM 2011
Why on earth don't players use their CS and back zero when playing matrix bets.
It is not difficult.
Just think it through and it is a bonus every time 0 or better still 00 shows.
This is basic.
Fully agree XXVV...........
Hello AMK
Yes CS1968 has a vast amount to offer. You may like to email him.
The question of handling the Zero is a typical XXVV throw away line (lol).
Sounds easy and it is extraordinarily complex to do it right!
The impact that zero has on the "success" strike rate of the matrix bets is formidable if you cross credit the zero win onto a matrix win ( eg : reverse loss bet on D+C).
However you need to run independent banks and run the zero as a one off inside table bet that can transcend, can bridge between sessions if the zero sleeps.
If it is warm or hot then a zero hit is a great place to (eventually) stop the session and take profit.
These are very exciting research topics and also the correct proportion for the zero bet in relation to the outside table bets is critical. I allow 10% plus, thus a small premium for zero.
I am applying this approach in my current plays and tuning as I go.
Good Hunting friends XXVV
:)
A little exercise that might lead to an interesting family of bets is by looking at the results from the game in a slightly different way from usual.
Now I dont believe the following will have any permanent edge, but I do know that in short cycles it can work well and be played using flat stakes. What more do you need?
It is based on the observation of finales on results, and is based on the observation, as with the gradual appearance of numbers that short term clustering occurs rather than 37 individual outcomes.
Of the ten finales, it is rare to have more than six individual varieties before a doubling of one of the earlier.
For example, from Hamburg Casino
31
34
24
8
12
9
17
12
16
3
12
The four marked examples are three categories of wins using two or three type betting forms.
These can all be bet with flat stakes.
More later.
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Sep 03, 07:20 PM 2011
Now I don't believe the following will have any permanent edge, but I do know that in short cycles it can work well and be played using flat stakes. What more do you need?
not a lot! :)
look forward to reading more
Looks deceptively easy doesnt it! (lol).
Consider keeping it as simple as possible. This is always a good rule.
Rules and length of play per game cycle.
Look at any finale, say in this instance the first one to show 31, ie '1' finale.
So play 1,11,21 and 31.
No repeat and 34 shows so bet
1,11,21,31 and add 4,14,24,34.
24 shows and so a win.
Net win +24 units.
Another way is to play for a third outcome but that will need a progression.
Or you can also group finales into 1-3 (plus Zero), 2-4 ( plus 10),5-6 ( plus 20) and 7-8-9 ( plus 30).
Again you play for a second and/or third appearance.
After a win await the entire set of finales to show and balance out, then reset and play again.
Useful little infill method between bigger and more complex bet types.
By keeping the criteria to a second showing you will shorten any progression needed, or you can play it out, even taking a net loss, by staking flat.
Food for thought
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Sep 03, 11:03 PM 2011
Another way is to play for a third outcome but that will need a progression.
Not sure I see the need for a progression on the 3rd. 36-(4+8+12)=12. What am I missing?
Also, can you elaborate on your (plus zero/10/20/30)?
Great ideas.
Thanks.
The 3rd step as a progression might apply to other bet variations where there are more than 4 variables.
The 0 finale is common to those numbers.
There are other groups though of say 9 or 10 numbers that can be combined and they may require a short progression.
I suggest keeping this idea simple and short and don't allow the nasty scenarios to sneak in which of course is an aspect of correction play outcomes.
More soon.
Patience is a virtue with finales. Waiting for the series to end for a restart is sometimes exacerbating. That said, it does work well. To increase opportunity, I've recently used this with Mr. Winkel's Fibo progs strategy and have found it to be exceptional if you see it through and, of course, have the BR.
Thanks for sharing so much of your research.
That sounds good my friend.
What I have endeavoured to do though is try to point to a very simple and often short way of achieving a repeat of a finale that can be played flat staking. You just have to draw the line on the difficult ones and try to ride the Ecart cycle so you get in and get out quickly and with a realistic profit.
I could write about all manner of complicated methods to track and chase and progress but I dont think we need to go that far.
This is just a modest little infill method. Let me know how you go.
Have a look at this.
It taught me a good and important lesson today.
After you see the spins- they are a continuous session - I will explain.
The live soins were from Latvia today - WHG.
7
1
24
30
34
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15
28
7
28
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5
25
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18
21
11
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32
34
2
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13
13
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22
22
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27
13
17
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22
25
14
20
24
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finales profit +173 units flat staking
When the Ecart is set and has swung this far you dont have to wait for a game to be re-set after a first win. The swing stays in place, as in this session, for about 30 spins and look at the returns.
It will not always be like this but this is what can happen if you are prepared to accept the offering!
Best
XXVV
I completed a distribution curve on 100 outcomes for this type of simple finales bet. Of course it has no permanent edge but can have remarkable and very lucrative Ecart swings when a series of low bet numbers follow one another in a streak. It is a typical bell curve that peaks between 3 and 4 bet outcomes in this form.
In the above case there were 9 and that is quite outstanding with an outcome such as this occurring every 150 outcomes or 750 spins from the data samples I have tested. Nevertheless this did happen and I stumbled upon it as soon as I started playing.
By starting and stopping at key times you can change an expected loss of -300 units in 500 spins to an anticipated gain of +200 units every 500 spins.
You can consider avoiding clusters of loss games and then climb on when the storm has passed, or as with the example, climb on to an existing streak.
Or you can go to other ways of assessing the Ecart such as considering moving averages, which is a tool that can be simplified but adapted from financial traders.
In fact I have had to complete several 100 outcome distribution charts as the results were encouraging. The Ecart can skew so that bets 2and3 can feature very prominently for lengthy streaks and thus generate quick strong returns in short cycles.
This could be well worth further investigation and curiously my first case study gave quite conservative test results. its usually the other way round when testing new ideas.
What about flat betting till in profit?
We remove the ones that hit (ex. 24 comes out and we win, but we are still not in profit so we just remove 4,14,24,34 and continue with the rest)
Until we reach profit then we restart
I did some sessions and it looks great for now
Thanks for your comments.
Actually in my latest testing - and I must emphasise you need massive samples in order to make sensible judgment on findings- I have found remarkable results and all in flat staking but just knowing when to stop especially, ie when in suitable profit.
But dont stop too soon as the streaks of wins can be quite lengthy - more so than my first sample of 100 outcomes indicated.
As earlier mentioned there are some key tricks as to when to start also and application of these makes a big difference to your net results.
A simple moving average method works wonders when suitably applied.
Best
XXVV
The more I have studied this little bet the more astonished I have become although I may have just tapped into a cycle within a grand cycle that is unusually beneficent.
What puzzles me is that with 37 variables the repeat phenomenon is averaging about 7+ I believe.
This makes it impossible to trap this within table limits, and certainly impossible flat staking when you seek a single repeat.
With finales there are only 10 variables and the repeat average varies with the Ecart of course (as above also) but because the variables are so small in number then the repeats can be trapped.
Food for thought
XXVV
I've always enjoyed playing the finales, but know that it is very common to have more than 6 of those 10 to show before repeating, for those playing finales by adding a new finale with each new spin.
I have done massive studies on this.
I will PM you.
It is not as it might seem.
XXVV
Look forward to hearing from you.
Could you PM me too, I'm very interested in this
Or just post it here so everyone can see?
Thanks
Hello S.
I contacted WG because he has posted on my threads many times, and I like his attitude.
You have asked to find out more about the finales bet ideas. Contact me offline/ email and let me know your level of interest in this work.
I am not prepared to provide full details as this is a 'framework and ideas' section.
However am happy to assist within reason. I will provide some more general comment when I have time.
In playing the Finales family of bets you can play so may ways.
- individual number repeats once either consecutive spins
- or in a sequence - identical finale
- individual finale repeats once either consecutive spin
- or in a sequence
- third appearance of a finale
You can target just the one finale at a time or you can target several
You can combine finales into groups of 9 or 10 numbers and then attack a repeat of the group. and other variations on this theme.
Some of these can be played flat staking when you take into account the Ecart swing.
The more I look, the more I see opportunities to create bets.
I guess it comes with practice, as the creative curtains seem to periodically open, especially when you get into a 'family' of bets, such as the finales type I have just mentioned.
However I cannot even nominate a bet unless I have tested it at least sufficiently to ensure it works at least sometimes ( say 2000-3000 spins). Then you need to come to know the bet characteristics of behaviour. How volatile is it, or how reliable is it, and what are the general parameters of its performance, ie the extremes good and bad.
Time and time again I find bets that can be played flat staking and their winning 'edge' varies. Often I create break even bets, so that at times they win, and at other times they lose. Thats just the way it is. We can take measures to mitigate loss and enhance gain, and one such might be a 'stop loss'.
However the Ecart swing determines the outcome and there it is. Sometimes the 'centre of gravity' of the swing is in more positive territory with some bets, or is it an illusion in the sand?
Just larger samples are needed to demonstrate the tipping point is just where it should be, or can it vary with different types of bet.
What are the reasons for why a bet will actually work, ie produce a more positive result than negative?
I believe it may be there needs to be another level beyond the tic- toc base bet, or there is a quality or condition that the researcher is looking into where there is a force at work that goes beyond the normal Ecart tides.
One such principle may be a phenomenon that is often noted with repeat or sleep characteristics, so that you witness a sort of double level force at work sometimes.
In the finales for example lets assume the 10 finales come out with reasonable deviations from the norm, and so in say a session of 300 spins there will be approximately 30 occurrences of a repeat
spin following spin of the same finale appearing.
A 1:10 ratio.
But I have also in ten samples seen an example of a 1:16.5 ratio and that makes a huge difference in the skew of results.
It is necessary to know and be prepared for such extreme events so this does not cause a catastrophic failure of the RiskBank.
I wonder though whether it is possible to monitor an overlay bet such as a trigger that switches on when a correction starts after an extreme deviation such as a run of more than 20 or 30 outcomes without repeat and the virtual play comes to an end with a hit.
It is by such a monitoring of this "elastic band" restorative force that some progress can be made- but beware the Gambler's Fallacy- dont expect the smoothing out to be immediate, and on occasion it may be delayed.
What I have done successfully though is with vast data samples, arrive at a definitive set of parameters for behaviour and then the occasional 'randomiser' can be mitigated with a stop loss.
This seems to work well as a principle and with patience and craftsmanship a set of conditions and bet rules can be established for several families of bets. Some seem to be better than others in performance, but in all cases there is a small edge. That edge varies with Ecart. So timing is everything.
It is nonsense that some write without hope or experience of relatively consistent winning sessions. They clearly have been looking, if at all in the fog, in the wrong direction.
For a bit of fun here is a little study I did yesterday.
The name of this bet is the consecutive repeating finale (CRF).
Run through some results and observe.
I did for 3500 spins from Hamburg live. 10 sessions.
An example of my target is as follows.
14
22
31
9
19 hit
26
21
1 hit
11 hit You just target 1,11,21,31
Do you see, easy.
On average you expend 3.7 targets for an overview of the ten possibilities.
The spacing of hits ranged from 1 ( as illustrated) to one that went for 78 spins! Thats random for you. But actually the distribution curve which plotted number of occurrences versus the spin timing showed a steady and quite usual decay curve allowing for the usual blips and minor blemishes.
10% of the outcomes for a repeat were achieved on spin one and this was the max. Does that surprise you? About 40% of all outcomes were in the the spin spacings 1-4.
Overall it was a sort of break even game.
However what makes it interesting and where there is a possibility of further work is in the short cycle skews where a cluster of repeats occur together.
You can read the Ecart movements.
In one session in the first 40 spins the result was +125 units, flat staking of course. Then it corrected over 300 spins.
Some finales will be hot, warm or cold and you can adjust your play to suit the unfolding new spin.
That overlay combined with reading of the Ecart swing may provide a more consistent winning strategy, but I havent had time to go that far with this one.
You can also introduce stop losses into the mix, or you can play them out with a progression such as the Whittacker Progression. Or you can do a 'lumpy' approximated quicker, rough progression to sort out most of the loss. Remember a hit on the first attempt may give you +32 or +33 units.
I like it because you are outlaying only a small number of targets, and if you wait for certain conditions ( say there has been 3 or 4 quite lengthy prior spin numbers before a repeat, and those were 23, 24 and 15, then soon there will be a correction and with this format it is usually quite sharp in your favour, unlike Gamblers Fallacy corrections on EC bets).
That's quite specific isnt it, a bit more than a framework! Its that sort of approach I take in constructing bets. First though you have to determine a worthwhile area of investigation with a frequent good return, and then you have to churn through the results to see the distribution patterns.
Remember most bets have no edge, but there can be a temporary advantage in the short term.
This will help XXVV
Following my thread on New Ways of Thinking, and the apparent advisability of frequent flips, which can involve personality re-vamps, I thought I would reflect my smiling face and provide a bit more specific help in this interesting idea train of thought which I had thought I would station but instead have decided to drive further along the tracks to an as yet unknown destination.
This puffery will probably annoy most readers so much they will get off. Sadly, in so doing they will miss a golden opportunity to which this train is headed, at least I think its headed that way (groan) - well it was when I tested a derived method within a method it transformed earlier results.
You know this is a mere framework section, so I can't go into all the details but I would not encourage you unless I had traveled this strip before and returned with riches.
The important contribution I wanted to make, and all the reader needs to do is assemble the other principles recently discussed and churned, is to demonstrate a transformation series which runs parallel with a spin series.
This is actually what I thought that mysterious fellow Iceman was alluding to many moons ago when he upset so many. I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Here is a spin series......
24
12
19
4
21
4
15
25
0
3
33
13
31
13
3
0
19
9
10
30
0
26
26
1
26
1
33
20
16
24
33
1
33
13
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This sequence is imaginary but illustrates many of my personal foibles and would have resulted in a fortune being harvested.
On one level
if you look at the finale repeats from consecutive numbers, you will derive the following transformation series....
7
3
1
3
3
2
1
2
11
What do you think might follow in the transformation series?
That is your challenge, but if you were alert on the day you would have harvested at least 4 hits worth approximately +113 units in 23 spins and then had a reversal which might have cost you (if anything) from 16 units to 34 units depending on where you applied the stop-loss.
There is a real method to this madness and its not that hard but it is suggested those who have the dedication and tenacity and those who are prepared to test a 1000 spins say may well find a useful method here, as long as they are choosy when to play or not. It works sometimes, maybe more.
Good Hunting
XXVV
Quick note that there will be new notes on this thread next week. XXVV
To be fair it is recommended to read all associated threads, ot at least the latest additions. The reason that several threads are run is to deliverately overlap all from slightly different directions, which is an overall approach I take to roulette play.
The threads are :
C/S Professional roulette studies ( ie this thread)
D+C ( where the reverse bet was developed)
New Ways of Thinking
Experimental Studies in Professional Roulette
Soon I will list groups of winning bets and outline strengths and weaknesses.
I have not found a bet that wins all the time but there is strong evidence that several of these bets have a positive edge to the player. Even with that edge you will not win all the time because it is in the nature of roulette to be cyclical, like the tides but without the regulating influence of the Moon. So the tides come in and out in random behaviour, but often with sufficient phases and signs to be able to enter and exit under favourable terms. One such tool for measurement is moving average, and that principle of overlay can be applied to all these win bets.
Examples and some detail soon.
Best XXVV
Over the past 18 months I have scattered some comments, hopefully mainly constructive, in several threads, including Pattern Breaker, D+C, Whittacker progression, New Ideas and Experimental Studies , as well as this one.
I cant quite believe the progress that has been made, but through huge amount of time, effort, research, real play and communication with colleagues both on and off this Forum, some great leaps have been made to find the most successful and efficient winning bets.
Then when you over view it is not really that complex, but it took over 20 years to find the path through the woods.
Sometimes setbacks can be your best friends, and the default by the scammers out of Switzerland certainly motivated me 300% to avenge that nonsense. Mysteriously those writers had some good practical skills in roulette as well as manipulating many thousands of well intended members.
The principle of reversal is a really useful one as an example.
Also just watching others.
Recently on another thread one member asked why watch others. Well, amongst recording useful test data, it is also a reminder of what not to do when playing professionally. I used to do it so there is no superiority in my comments for really in roulette modesty and humility is paramount because as we are dealing with Uncertainty where no one can be an expert.
But we can learn to not put out so many bets simultaneously.
I recall Mr Square Roulette wisely advising that casinos made extra % edge every time a player covered more than one number. Your own efficiency is being diluted, and because you fear loss, you seek to cover more, when actually you are playing into the hands of the adversary.
Now I endeavour to only flat stake, or at least minimise progression extent based on knowledge of my bet characteristics, and focus on one technique at a time resulting in as few as one number being targetted or at max say 6 -9 numbers. However we all agree, one number is the most efficient from the point of view of focus. However sometimes we need to target from several dimensions, say table and wheel, and thus say a six line and a single number may be targetted.
The main groups of my personal winning bets :
Numbers that occur in a short space thus being warm to hot. Play no more than 4 targets.
Families of Finales
Wheel Sections
Table Sections
Cycles of spin numbers
Reversal Bets of matrix data.
Hunting Zero.
Overlap bets that are composites of the above characteristics.
Others.
As stated elsewhere, in my view there are many winning bets that can be engineered, and many of these will show positive edge over the house. In my opinion the reverse bet on D+C, given over view by moving average, and with independent bank management of zero betting as an overlap, is particularly effective.
In my recent live casino play flat staking that bet and without moving average overview being applied ( which would add +30% efficiency), in 15,000 live spins, ie 15 weeks of betting, the net result has been +550 units. It is assumed the zero bank balance is break even but actually that carries a small profit as well.
Martin Blakey the Australian Mathematician and Roulette professional stated some years ago that if you have a method that can earn you consistently more than 5 x your risk bank requirement then you have a winning strategy/ method. I use a 100 unit bank for the flat bet staking on that bet. It has never gone negative worse than 30 units.
With a short progression those results are doubled, and with Whittacker progression those results are quadrupled. Add to that a further 30% by use of moving average methodologies (YY) and you have a formidable professional commercial bet.
If you piece together my writings on this subject over all the threads mentioned, you will find all you need to do this yourself and apply this knowledge, at the very least in principle.
Should you need further comment and if you are genuine in your passion for quality work then PM me.
It is noted that Forums often house a lot of cyclic chat and some who really dont know the way forward but who are ready to attempt to confuse others. Also some think they are clever and expert. However beware any individual making such claims, or that such claims are implied. In my own case I have made many mistakes, have contradicted myself many times over 18 months, and realise just how little I really know. However I also achieve success in concentrated areas of relative expertise. Note 'relative'.
The way out of that bogof negativity projected by confused writers is to avoid such chat, ignore the confusion and hold to the belief that there are indeed various ways forward.
Nevertheless we have to know our inherent weaknesses first. Know thyself. Read Nassim Taleb and Daniel Kahneman. Be honest with yourself as a first priority. Dont be a Gambler.
Be selective and pick out some gems from otherwise confused contexts.
I always knew there were ways to win. I was fortunate to be taught by several professionals who themselves had their weaknesses. No one wins all the time, and by reading the brutally honest writings of John Patrick ( yes ignore the style but focus on the content and read the entire book on Advanced Roulette) you can see there are ways to win more than you lose even if you dont have a bet with a postive edge. But if you do then you have amazing opportunities ahead.
Its all to do with understanding Ecart, timing of entry and exit, and having sufficient 'free money' for your RB. Massive practice, patience, experience, management, self management, money management and time. Then more practice. Then watch. Wait. Timing of entry and exit.
Setting realistic win goals and then compounding your returns.
See casinos in a new light. They are not dens of iniquity. Far from it they are well policed, secure and comfortable places for exchange of resources. ( However even then consider the context and be on guard.) The variables are relatively limited relative to the open financial markets, and given sensible and rational behaviour and spread of your business focus they can be very helpful to you.
Treat them with respect and view your roulette as a new business opportunity.
Indeed, Good Hunting! XXVV
What can I say XXVV?
Thank you
My new exploaration is 'the business of roulette'.
Direct the mind into that area and see what comes. You will be amazed once you accept and direct that roulette is to be taken very seriously and actually offers higher rates of return consistently than the volatile markets.
However first you need to bring your level of skill and self management to peak and gradually improving levels.
Best xxvv
Dont be discouraged by mistakes you make especially in the realm of self management.
It may be necessary to make hundreds of errors falling into certain traps until you progress. Read and apply every device possible to try to reinforce postive behaviour.
But dont be too hard on yourself ( your personality) when you fall short. Its just a fact of life that this will happen. Sometimes to work as a small team may assist. Peer review of your behaviour and management may assist.
I still make infuriating errors sometimes but i know they will be ironed out eventually. It just takes lots and lots of experience.
However our analysis and review and attitude can shorten the length of time required.
Recall 'GroundHog Day' - a brilliant screenplay. But look what the character eventually achieved.
Best XXVV
The strange thing is that I have read your last post everyday for the last year :)
Am currently studying a lot of forms of intelligence which have to do with avoiding self-undoing, and self destructive behaviour that can follow technical success with winning at the casino.
It is one thing to have selected smarter bets and tuned these to your needs.
But quite another to consistently apply the best self management to your play.
In my experience I find about 1 in 15-20 sessions difficult or hostile. This may be because you are ill prepared or out of sorts. ( We are moving entities like the stars and experience different influences daily). In essence though you cannot decipher the outcome codes in such sessions. Best to bow out gracefully and accept a small loss.
Other sessions may be average and enable opportunities at regular intervals. These make up 75% of play in my view.
Even better are the 15% that are even better and more accessible.
Then the remaining 5%, ie 1 in 20 that are golden days, and you can do no wrong for a while.
Thus there are appropriate approaches to every set of outcomes.
It is all about handling success.
Not as easy as it sounds as many of our behaviour sets are self destructive.
In my research there are 22 forms, aspects of intelligence, that have a bearing on the management of the above variations.
A lot of work is required to administrate to avoid self-undoing.
Working on this.
Best
XXVV
Will be adding to recent cluster of posts very soon with some new/ re-newed insights.
XXVV
You may find this ironic but over the last 18 months as you know I have been developing some smart bets.
One in particular, the reverse bet ( trhere may be others in this 'family'), has an edge that I have calculated over a robust range of live test samples ( over 100,000 spins).
It is noted that the edge ( calculated from flat staking results) varies with the Ecart cycles and I conservatively estimate the range is from break even to + 5%. With smarter timing for entry and exit by use of moving average methods or setting of sensible modest flat staking targets, this edge can be increased by over 30% efficiency so as to be in the 2-7% range).
However you can still lose!
There may always be adverse cycles.
So it is prudent to have a big bank.
The size of that depends on you appetite for risk exposure.
Also, being human, we still may have our off days ( LoL).
The irony consists in the realisation today, after re-reading one of the better articles from the 'Swiss' scammers that they certainly can contribute to our work, constructively.
Take for example :
'win small but consistently - the wins add up'
'always finish on a win bet'
'best method is hit and run'
'goal is +12 points'
'settle on +3 if adverse cycle'
'use the wins/ streaks and chops/ changes to advantage'
'use clustering analysis'
'ideally finish on a double win'
'once you have a break/even bet then tune the variables'
'win double your playing bank each session and next session double your playing amount or conservatively , double every second session- this will rapidly compound your RB'
'divide your daily/ weekly/ monthly winnings by 3 then
1/3 to increase BR/ RB
1/3 to secondary BR
1/3 to personal expenses/ savings'
Mmmm
Incorporate all that and you will be doing very well indeed.
Much of what I attempt to do incorporates this approach.
Best XXVV
Top MM advice there dear XXVV:
Quote from: XXVV
1/3 to increase BR/ RB
1/3 to secondary BR
1/3 to personal expenses/ savings'
Thanks for bringing it to our attention :thumbsup:
Quote from: XXVV on Feb 18, 06:03 PM 2012
Recall 'GroundHog Day' - a brilliant screenplay. But look what the character eventually achieved.
No, it's only a bit of "nonsense" based on the "filler approach" to writing an essay. I unwittingly applied that same approach in a grade-4 writing class, in a (long) story about a UFO who landed at the farm. It kept blowing us up until i finally "re-awoke" to figure out a good way to greet it to earth. A bottle of coke, of course. I think there was a similar Star Trek, TNG, episode.
Actually, most persons who visit a casino want to NOT KNOW what is going to happen next. It's called escapism, from the real problems of their lives. That sort of automatic mental-defence mechanism, over the short-run anyway, is deemed a good thing by the psychologists. But not when the form of recreation, itself, becomes inescapable. Ie, when you start to see it as an all-inclusive model for, and in, every other form of human activity.
Everyone knows enough to "leave the office at the office". To not get caught up in the "nags", when what's truly-important will be eventually remembered, and achieved, in its own good time. Practice makes perfect, something with which to work. Fair enough.
However, the above posts seem to indicate another person falling ever deeper into a state of trying to legitimize something which was never meant to be, never meant to exist outside of a few casinos. Like they say, "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." Or, in other words, don't build a life around the attempt to know that which isn't even supposed to be taken seriously. After all, the ancient Greek mathematicians possessed all the tools, general knowledge, and contexts, required to properly address the spectrum of gambling... BUT LACKED THE INTEREST.
P.S. Ever notice that the ones who are really having a bit of fun with these boards are the ones who aren't much interested in all the censorship, site-politics, etc?
What I am interested in finally is to find a relatively consistent way of making cash flow.
Wonderful progress has been made over the past 18 months and I can truthfully state that real progress has been made on an exponential basis, such as the growing sum of knowledge in my specialised field within roulette. Also the practical application of that knowledge has grown in efficiency of application.
It is in percentage points that the real progress is made after a relatively break even bet has been found, and there are many of those. Good news all round.
Happy to share the directions on this path.
I have re-named the Il Casino, as El Banco, and that transformation continues not as a delusion or fantasy but as a growing reality.
Cheers
XXVV
Key to relatively consistent success I believe is to find first a smart or smarter bet(s).
Then to become familiar totally with their characteristics. If too volatile drop it.
Then to use a range of bets matching a proven bet with current table Ecart status/ character.
If none match dont get drawn in.
Find a table with flow that suits you.
Then primarily hit and run.
Longer duration play, ie 100 spins or more can be used but not as your primary means of income production.
Leave a game after a strong win, and make this a habit.
Gain a reputation for this.
Learn and practice to be more consistent and true to yourself ( your highest goals).
Never start without a goal.
Good Hunting. XXVV
My current view is to play in at least two tiers.
Best pro play strategy is hit and run reading short cycles/ trends and gaining a pre selected target if possible, say +9 units or more. High value units.
Best to use a really smart bet.
For fast action I have one bet I prefer and that is the Reverse Bet about which I have written fully. It is fast conservative and smart and is best played flat.
Second tier work can be with longer sessions and reading the game Ecart cycles and using a smaller value unit and a sensible RB. I call that semi-pro. And also fun.
Nevertheless the daily/ weekly costs can be met through tier one play alone, then if desired and if time is available go for a 2-3 hour session but in no way jeopardise the earlier profit.
Should tier one just not be favourable, consider a break even session result as a victory.
That is the way I see things at present.
XXVV
Adding to this and trying to bring my three key threads to inter-twine.
I now consider a realistic and consistent take out to be +5 units with reverse Bets.
Risk Bank can be 30 to 50 units and flat stake, and mini sessions can be +5 units target which is usually achieved in 20 to 50 spins.
If its one of those sessions that is skewed adverse Ecart then climb out at minimal loss where there is a spike up on a bad overall display. Better to take a -3 or -5 loss than going down with the whole bank.
Flat staking and with zero cover I have never experienced a -50 situation and the flat play usually will eventually re-trace if you are patient enough.
In my view some 85% of mini sessions will enable +5 or more profit.
I have found it is overall most efficient to snip this profit and take it rather than see it re-trace later. You can start a new mini session if its a long streak but beware the inevitable correction. All flat staking.
More soon.
There is a small window of opportunity to post a few threads and some updated thoughts on research et al.
I posted a few thoughts on Pattern Breaker thanks to JL and some other excellent players.
I seem to have upset a few, but really my goal is simply to state my current position, be honest, helpful, and provide keys for successful roulette play.
That such attitude overlaps and interfaces with 'real life' should not come as any shock unless you have been asleep. Random impacts us all and as I have stated earlier most totally misunderstand and underestimate its role and potential impact in our lives.
I see roulette as a microcosm of the matrix of many aspects of life and proficiency in one can assist the other.
Common sense it is not. Its way beyond common sense unless you want to be a helpless and slow victim of life extremes which from time to time do impact us. Much as we would rather deny or ignore such data.
My strategy is now to work on several levels simultaneously.
Attack where opportune after reading the game, or defend and stage if necessary a strategic retreat. Live to fight another day and then counter attack with triple venom. That's my spirit now.
Yes the occasional +5 gain, compounding can be a slow way forward, but also there are other pathways and I encourage you to explore them.
While doing some recent research it was fascinating to read Kanzen's advice to take say +3 units per mini session.
I am sure his experience and wisdom is true and it would benefit you to read his guidelines ( read them again).
However I know it is possible to take a more aggressive stance when you are suitably prepared.
Reading the game and taking a 10 mini session spread ( ie say 2-3 days play), it may be you achieve 7 winning sessions 2 losers and 1 break even. That's enough as long as you cut and run.
I have found that in most cases with the winning sessions, few units are required. The energy just flows in your favour. Its the same with slots ( which I attack with a percentage of roulette profit only) - when the tide is with you go for it! For sometimes it is. If you are struggling and making no headway, jusy get out.
My plan is compounding +10% daily gain on a bank!
You won't get that from your bank or broker!
It is the sum of a massive amount of experience, some rules, some intuitions and some magic I guess. Why else will a number appear 10 times in 100 spins. Its there for you! It can be any number. In my case I search zero! But of course it can be any. When offered such opportunities ( say one game in five) then take them for sure! Be Dragons!
All this leaves common sense well behind! More on other threads over the next couple of days.
Best XXVV
Using a break of a few months it is useful to review the last post.
The statement stands and given 'correct preparation' - a big term - then the way is clear with even more help available.
More soon.
XXVV
I like to work on several levels when writing. Also I like mixing metaphors.
Perhaps it has a connection with architecture, as I like to design mult-level houses/ complexes.
Even though there is at each level a new experience, a new vista, inside-outside, the contrasts are all inter-linked by a over unifying theme, a sort of genetic code, a family.
Aside from the complexity there is a simplicity that unifies the total experience.
To add to that where do we draw the line with inside/ outside and our land/ site and the context of the neighbourhood/ city/ nation/ continent.
Somwhat like fractal mathematics and the definition of a Norwegian coastline, one scale pattern matches a different scale pattern.
So within the house, there may be 'many mansions', and within our work attempting to understand roulette, we can work on many levels, but all are inter-related.
From every level though there is just that sufficient difference in viewpoint to see the target freshly, or more clearly.
So in the next few weeks I am going to discuss a series of different level bets with a goal of prioritising these as prime and secondary and minor. They all have their uses sometimes however.
Parallel with this work I will also keep you informed of the new website development and the various levels being proposed there.
Best
XXVV
Recently I have written on the nature of simplicity and how it can be applied in our work with roulette.
Its a curious journey but I believe simplicity has to be re-discovered, after a long journey of exploration through many examples from nature, say deserts, jungles, mountains and valleys. Extremes of conditions to test to the limit, under pressure, trial, limitation and excess.
Random behaviour within the casino environment, and with roulette, varies in degree.
Sometimes, with the right knowledge and understanding, and 'lenses', it is possible to look below the surface of the 'random' outcomes, and access a temporary understanding and clarity that is bewildering in its beauty and opportunity. These are relatively short phases, from a few minutes, to a few hours.
At other times the outcomes are dark and indecipherable and as clouded or be-nighted as the darkest mysteries. Maybe the wrong 'lens' was being applied, and to another player the way might have been clearer.
Its somewhat relative and subjective, but from experience, I am finding that is possible, most of the time, to play with patience and understanding and take short term profits with suitable three win timing.
I will write on this over coming weeks with several simple bets and strategies, all very common sense, in the best sense of the term, with a simplicity that has been earned and deserved, or as one of my favorite books tells it, a 'Deep Simplicity'.