Fellow forum members. Our friend Le_Chiffre has a 20,000 unit bankroll and he'd like suggestions for the best system on this forum to risk his bankroll on. Each unit is $0.10, so he'll be playing on-line.
I don't know the particulars about min vs max bet range, but just ask and he'll provide all the answers.
Let's narrow it down to some solid systems and give reasons why you think your choice is a viable candidate.
GLC
A week and no response...queer.I said no more posting anything here,but since this is different
can suggest him to try this.
Whenever see 4 unique lines bet on last 3 lines.....D'Alambert.
Good luck.
Since the only response is from Teo, one is all we need.
Thanks Ivo,
It's hard to suggest anything since the possible ways to play roulette is infinite, and the number of systems posted are countless. 99% of the members never even tried those systems.
If you ask me, I would say try the GUT. That one looks interesting to me, but I was too lazy to do long time testing.
Forgot to mention....whenever win or lose.....restart all over....not playing in continuation,exmpl;
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2...L........restart,waiting for new 4 uniques.........ignoring 1,4,2 unique lines........
Threads often go missed for a while as a lot of players only check the last 20 or so posts on the home page, or is it just me : )
Le_chiffre, what is the challenge part about?
I guess I would need to know how many spins you are planning to play.
If it is 1 million, Ive got news for you : )
If its ? 25,000 and that's the end of roulette (100 spins per workweek for 1 year) I think you can make a good chance to come out ahead.
Which method I do not know, its anybodies guess. For some reason I like "thepilots" winning PB play which he says made him 75,000 in a year, then stopped. But this could have all been fake. You guys remember that thread?
I think his BR was around 2000 but played a 10,20,40 progression +-5 times per session.
Thanks for another great thread GLC.
Heres the approach.
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Le_Chiffre, I know that everyone will get a kick out of this method. I've just been playing around with it knowing that it violates every conceivable principle of a good system. But, you may find it interesting. It's based on a couple of Turbo Genius' ideas and is similar to a variety of systems that have been presented on this forum. Most recently Dane's "Straight Up Hit in six out of ten sessions" system.
With Dane's system, we bet only on a trio to show in the columns. He has a caveat re: not betting on the number between 2 numbers. I don't have a beef with Dane's system. We're all free to choose whatever trigger(s) we think appropriate. This system I'm posting now, will not limit the trios that way. Plus we will take advantage of trips that go across the table in any direction.
It's simple to explain. When we get 2 out of 3, we bet for the 3rd number. These 2 trigger numbers can be next to each other or one number apart from each other. If they are next to each other and in a column, we will be betting on the numbers at both ends. So if 10 and 13 have spun, we will bet on 7 and 16. If 10 and 16 have spun, we will bet on 13.
We will also bet for streets to complete like MrJ's system. So, if 10 and 11 have spun, we will bet on 12. If 10 & 12 have spun we will bet on 11.
We can also bet diagonally. So if 10 and 14 have spun, we will bet on 18. If 10 & 18 have spun, we will bet on 14.
Any time we get 2 in a line with no more than 1 missing between, we will bet for the 3rd number to hit.
We can play zero with both the 1 & 2 and the 2 & 3. So if 0 & 2 hit, we will play for both the 1 and the 3. If 0 & 1 hit, we will play for the 2 to hit. Same for 0 & 3, we play for the 2.
We can also play the zero with the 34, 35 and 36 just like we play for the zero and the 1, 2 & 3.
The progression: We bet 1 unit on every number as they become available to complete a trio. Continue to bet 1 unit on each until we get a win. If we are at a new high bank, we reset everything and start over with 1 unit. If we win and are in the hole, we have 2 choices
1) we can either start over tracking for triggers and bet 2 units on each number or
2) we can increase the numbers we're playing to 2 units on all numbers being bet. We will add all new numbers at 2 units. When we get another hit, if we're at a new high, we re-set to 1 unit and start a new game. If we are still in the hole, we will increase the unit amount on all numbers being bet to 3 and continue adding new numbers per the rules at 3 units each.
I can't decide which way is the best. Hits come pretty regularly, but I know there will come a series when the hits are few and far between. The 1) option should be the safest. More testing needed to determine which is better.
This system will require a hefty bank roll to play with any sense of confidence.
As with all systems, there's nothing sacred about the rules. They can be changed to suit your playing style and bank roll. With 20,000 units, I think this will hold pretty well, but then I thought the doz/col system would too but it didn't take that long for you to tank it.
If this isn't your cup of tea, no problem. After all, it's your money.
Good Luck,
GLC
Option #2 has finally revealed itself as way too volatile.
I think option #1 is the best way to play. It may prove to be too much of a grind.
Thanks for humoring me in my madness.
Gordon my friend,
Here's a double dozen progression that I think has just enough risk vs grind to make it potentially playable.
1 2 3 4 5 7 10 14 19 26 36 50 etc...
From 5 on we just add the 4th number back to the last number to create our progression. With a large bank, this thing might never lose .... :question:
Move one step to the right on a loss. Move one step to the left after two wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, then 1 step to the left after 2 wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, etc... You will reach a new profit before you get back to 1-1.
Let's say we just lost 1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 5-5; 7-7; 10-10. That's a total of -64 units. Our next bet is 14-14. If we win twice that will be 64-28= -36. Bet 10-10 once for a win of 10 and we have -36+10 = -26. Bet 7-7 twice for a win of 14 and we have -26 + 14 = -12. Bet 5-5 once for a win of 5 and we have -12 + 5 = -7. Bet 4-4 twice for a win of 8 and we have -7 + 8 = +1. Reset to 1-1. We have 7 losses vs 8 wins. Normal ratio is 7 losses vs 14 wins.
This method gives us a reasonable chance to recover while staying well under the normal win vs loss ratio. If you wanted to recover even quicker, you could win 2 times before moving 1 step to the left.
We're just trying to get the bet size down as soon as possible before we go into another losing streak.
GLC
Have you tested the probability that your bet selection is correct, vs random expectancy? ie are you increasing the accuracy of predictions? This is the first part to test.
If you are using progression, then you are relying on previous spins being connected, and previous spins having an influence on future spins.
You need to focus on these two points.
Steve,
Your point is well taken. Unfortunately, as you well know, I haven't been able to document, nor has anyone to the best of my knowledge, a bet selection that improves our odds of predicting the next number more accurately than plain old random. I have come up with methods that appeared to improve predictability, but alas, the bet selection method, using multiple spins, just made it appear to improve predictability. In reality, it just took longer for the house edge to show it's ugly head. :'(
Progressions, like this one, are my way of limiting exposure. In the end it will surely lose. But with a large enough bank, I think we can hang with the progression until a good enough win streak comes along to get us back to 1-1. It is true that we will not always be ahead when we get back to 1-1 if we've had a lot of wins and losses moving back and forth but we must be willing to take a small to medium size loss after a really bad streak to prevent going totally bust as will happen with a more aggressive progression.
Here's what 6 losses in a row look like playing a martingale for double dozens: 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27; 81-81; 243-243. With my progression it takes 17 losses to reach 250-250. But with some wins along the way, and there surely will be some, that gives us a lot of playing room while we try to hang in there waiting for the turn around in luck.
GLC
Gordon, I think this is my best double dozen progression yet.
Whenever you have a loss just keep moving 1 step to the right. Once you have a win, you must have a 2nd win at the same level before you move 1 step to the left. Then only 1 win is required to move to the left again. Then 2 wins at the next level before moving to the left again. Continue in this way until you reach 1-1. It's safer to drop all the way to 1-1 anytime you reach a new high bank, but you win more in fewer spins if you follow the 2 then 1 then 2 then 1 sequence all the way. If you have a loss while moving to the left, you just move 1 step to the right for each loss until you start winning again.
The double win at the level above the last loss is what kick starts our recovery process.
Of course the killer sequence is LWLLWLWLWLLWLLLWLW etc... In other words no double wins in a row will tank this if it goes on for a pretty long series. That's very rare because Wins are twice as likely as losses. That's why we need a decent bankroll so we can survive these single Win sections. Even LLWLWLWWLLWLWWLWLWLLLWLWWLLWL where we get some double Wins, but not enough to move us back down our bet line any substantial amount.
Play around with it for a while and you'll see what I mean.
Unless I have another epiphany soon, I'll back off from the forum again and get back into the real world.
George
GLC, are you playing on RNG roulette or real wheels?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 20, 01:27 AM 2014
GLC, are you playing on RNG roulette or real wheels?
When I get the time, I play on an airball machine at one of the local Indian casinos; double zero.
I also have access to a video roulette game at the other Indian Casino. Also double zero.
Both have a $1 minimum bet with quarter increments up to $20 maximum bet.
Other than that, I just test on sites like Betvoyager, single zero.
Quote from: GLC on Mar 19, 07:56 PM 2014
Gordon my friend,
Here's a double dozen progression that I think has just enough risk vs grind to make it potentially playable.
1 2 3 4 5 7 10 14 19 26 36 50 etc...
From 5 on we just add the 4th number back to the last number to create our progression. With a large bank, this thing might never lose .... :question:
Move one step to the right on a loss. Move one step to the left after two wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, then 1 step to the left after 2 wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, etc... You will reach a new profit before you get back to 1-1.
Let's say we just lost 1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 5-5; 7-7; 10-10. That's a total of -64 units. Our next bet is 14-14. If we win twice that will be 64-28= -36. Bet 10-10 once for a win of 10 and we have -36+10 = -26. Bet 7-7 twice for a win of 14 and we have -26 + 14 = -12. Bet 5-5 once for a win of 5 and we have -12 + 5 = -7. Bet 4-4 twice for a win of 8 and we have -7 + 8 = +1. Reset to 1-1. We have 7 losses vs 8 wins. Normal ratio is 7 losses vs 14 wins.
This method gives us a reasonable chance to recover while staying well under the normal win vs loss ratio. If you wanted to recover even quicker, you could win 2 times before moving 1 step to the left.
We're just trying to get the bet size down as soon as possible before we go into another losing streak.
GLC
This continues to be an impressive progression method. I do want to change one thing. "then 1 step to the left after 2 wins," this isn't necessary every other step back down. If we win 2 times after the last loss and then take 1 step back down the progression, we can continue to take 1 step down after
every win instead of needing 2 wins every other time.
If we lose 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5, 7-7 we will be down -44 units. If we win our next bet twice 10-10 = +10 times 2 = +20. -44+20= -24. If we win at 7-7 that's -24+7 = -14 then +5 = -9 then +4 = -5 then + 3 = -2 then + 2 = 0. This is not quite as aggressive as the original idea, but it works well because rarely do we lose 6 in a row. When we lose then win then lose then win then win, we are a little ahead of the game. That's because if we have LLLLLL we will be -44 per above and 10-10 will be our next bet. But if we have LLWLWLWLWLW if goes like the following
1-1 lose = -2
2-2 lose = -6
3-3 win = -3
3-3 lose = -9
4-4 win = -5
4-4 lose = -13
5-5 win = -8
5-5 lose = -18
7-7 win = -11
7-7 lose = -25 At this point of losing at our 7-7 bet above we were at -44. So we can see that after a double win at 10-10, we're only going to be -5 units. We can make a conscious decision here to drop as far back as 3-3 if we want. A win at 3-3 and 2-2 will break us even and we can start another attack at 1-1.
For all of you who like to play double dozens, this is worth looking at. I can't think of a better/easier progression to play double dozens with.
Nothing's foolproof, but if you aren't playing to fully recover on 1 hit within say 5 or 6 where only a martingale type progression will work, this is pretty safe. 6 steps in a double dozen martingale is 1-1; 3-3;9-9;27-27;81-81;243-243. I admit that losing 6 times in a row is rare playing double dozens, but it does happen. When it does, you take a 731 unit hit. With my progression, if you lose 6 times in a row, you're only down 44 units. :o :question: :girl_to:
What? Forty-four units vs seven-hundred-thirty-one units? :o :o
Here's my penthouse method for double dozens. Always play until you are at least +1 or more.
Start by writing down your first bet: 1 1
If you win, +1. Put it in profits.
If you lose, you move up one level : 1 1 2 2
If you win you cross circle the 2 2 and cross off the closest number to the left of your current circled bet. In this case it is the second 1.
(Since I don't know how to circle a number, I will underline the wins and cross off the other number.)
Our line would now look like 1 1 2 2. We are not at +1 so we make another bet in this line.
Here's a rule, if you only have 1 of a pair, as in this case, you bet that level again. But if you have 2 of a pair, you bet the next higher level.
Our line would now look like this: 1 1 2 2 1 1
Let's say we lose: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2
Let's say we win next: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3
Since I only have a single 2, my next bet is 2 2: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2
Let's say we lose again: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3
Our next bet is 4 4: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4
IF we win: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4
Because we only have one 3 we bet 3 3: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4
If we win: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4 3 3
Because we have three 2's that aren't underlined or crossed off, we bet 3 3 again:
1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4 3 3 3 3
If we win again: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4 3 3 3 3
We can always calculate how we're doing by adding together the units that are circle and divide by 2 and subtract all numbers that aren't underlined or circled.
In this example we're at +15 -18 = -3 so we would still need to continue per the rules until we were at +1 or more.
The penthouse line is one of my favorite bet progression methods because it can be adjusted for a more aggressive or less aggressive attack. Also, you rarely have to cross off all non-circled numbers to reach +1. As a matter of fact, if you lose 3 or more times in your line, you'll reach +1 before you get back to the first loss that started the line.
You can get into a real battle and it can take some time to resolve the line.
Give it a test drive and see what you think.
GLC
Le_Chiffre,
Here's a simple trot for double dozens and double columns at the same time.
We're going to bet the same dozens and columns every spin. If you think you can improve on that selection method, go for it.
We use a separate progression on dozens and columns.
We begin with 1 unit on all 4 locations.
Ignore losses. Our bet size remains the same after losses.
We only increase our bet when we get 2 wins in a row. That's 2 wins in a row on the dozens to increase the dozens. That's 2 wins in a row on the columns to increase the columns. They move up the progression separately. I say up, because we only increase our bet sizes until we're back to even or plus. We never decrease our bet sizes until we re-set or our next bet size is large and we're only a few chips from being plus. So, if we just won our 2nd bet of 22 units on dozens and we're at -3 units overall, rather than risk a losing sequence starting at 22 units, I'd drop down to 4 units on each spot and hope for +1 and re-set.
This is really a slightly modified Oscar's Grind on double dozens/columns.
Remember, we have to win 2 times back to back on dozens to increase and/or 2 wins back to back on columns to increase. Naturally, if we get 2 wins back to back on both dozens and columns, we will increase on both.
Cheers
Thanks fore share it. If you consult us, I'd claim look at the GUT. That particular seems to be useful in my experience, but I was way too laid back to try and do long time testing.