I thought I had found my holy grail for weeks, since yesterday at BETVOYAGER:
My system I used was random against random. In details:
I used random.org to generate a line of numbers 1 and 2. eg : 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 2 1 1 1 e.c.
number 1: I was betting LOW and number 2 bwtting HIGH (sometimes for 1 bet black or odd and for number 2 bet the opposite)
Because of the random theory I was sure that random cannot be beaten by random for long.
My thought was if i play random in how many spins the cazino will appear exactly the opposite?
Because of that I used the Martingale. I played with starting bet 5 cents, and my betting limit was 52 euros. so even if I had 10 losing bets I could win on 11th. (0.05 - 0.10 - 0.20 - 0.40 - 0.80 - 1.60 - 3.20 - 6.40 - 12.80 - 25.6 - 51.2)
I played this system for weeks and earned money. I thought I had found my holy grail. It seemed impossible for the cazino to create 11 random EC outcomes opposite of the outcomes of the random.org.
And yesterday I faced the unbeliebable:
Betvoyager got out 14 spins with exactly the opposite of my EC bets !!!!!!!!!!!!!
At the 11th I lost the 11th betting of 51.2 euros and having in the bank 40 euros left I didn's procceed. But I continued betting just 0.05 euros just to see how far the cazino would go with oppostite outcome. For my surprize the cazino ''lost'' at the 15th spin !!!!!!!!
Tell me please your opinion. Is the chaos theory thta can create the unbelievable or something else?
I couldn't believe it !!!!
Its completely believable.
The wheel is producing independent random numbers, and so is rand.org
only you are seeing them in lines as if it means something. Only you see 2 had 1, 1 before it. The wheel doesnt know that nor does random.org
Thats the rub
Sorry to hear about your loss.
You should ALWAYS test your systems beforehand. The simplest way is this: learn EXCEL. Its really not that complicated.
Than put that theory to a test. Start with 50k spins. Than another 50. Than more.
Regards,
Alex
Since I have been using many many systems for years based on logic or ''wait for ... and then bet on ...'' I realized that with logic you cannot beat roulette. That's why random vs random was my last shelter. I cannot think up something else. Maybe I'll continue but with other progression. Maybe mary till 6-7 loosing spins and then Labouchere, something like that. Or maybe a positive progression.
Anyway thanks for your replies my friends.
Regards
The Marti is not the way to go......
sound quality is poor, but it should cheer you up a bit ;)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwrl_dru5A (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwrl_dru5A)
You can almost smell the blood sweat & warm diamond white 8)
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Quote from: ddarko on Mar 26, 05:50 PM 2014
The Marti is not the way to go......
sound quality is poor, but it should cheer you up a bit ;)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwrl_dru5A (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwrl_dru5A)
You can almost smell the blood sweat & warm diamond white 8)
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Ive got a riff, Ive got a riff, Ive got a riff on my guitar.....lets all join in, lets all join in, lets all join in, with the same riff....LMAO
Quote from: Turner on Mar 26, 06:10 PM 2014
Ive got a riff, Ive got a riff, Ive got a riff on my guitar.....lets all join in, lets all join in, lets all join in, with the same riff....LMAO
Not a lotta lyrics for that 1st tune agreed ;)
The WHOLE concert has life, passion & energy. Music-wise that's a great start for me 8)
I'm guessing from your quote above it's not your cup of tea ??
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.oO(hippies and their guitars..)
thanks ddarko for the youtube video !!!!
the 3rd song ''everything falls apart'' refers to roulette systems ? sound's poor I cannot hear clearly xaxaxa
Quote from: Steve on Mar 26, 11:36 PM 2014
.oO(hippies and their guitars..)
They started off as punk & by their final album they were sounding a bit like REM ???
Thought it may put a smile on huskerdu's face as he may not of seen it ;)
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Quote from: huskerdu on Mar 27, 02:48 AM 2014
thanks ddarko for the youtube video !!!!
the 3rd song ''everything falls apart'' refers to roulette systems ? sound's poor I cannot hear clearly xaxaxa
no problem husk ;)
Yeah sound is not good, but man what a gig!!!!
& sry for the late reply, for some reason I missed you post :-[
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amazing group.... !!
anyway now I'm on the way of picking up my pieces after my ''the random vs random'' failure.
But since there isn't any logical way of betting I'll continue with random vs random nut with positive progression.
I'll let you know
regards
Quote from: ddarko on Mar 26, 06:13 PM 2014
Not a lotta lyrics for that 1st tune agreed ;)
The WHOLE concert has life, passion & energy. Music-wise that's a great start for me 8)
I'm guessing from your quote above it's not your cup of tea ??
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I bypassed punk and carried on thinking prog rock was cool in the late 70's. I will listen to anything...but it has to make me get goosebumps. I never like every album by one band....sometimes just one track. Ive been listening to Kraftwerks back catalogue recently.
Computer World is just genius...along with Tour de France soundtracks. Thats goosebumps all the way.
Attention to detail gets me. Mike Oldfield up to Incantations....Radiohead OK computer (Just that album) All Genesis until ABACAB (cough)
One Yes album (relayer).....and on the odd mix goes.
Punk got me now and again. No more heros - Stranglers (genius), Teenage kicks - Undertones - (genius)
You wish you hadn't asked now don't you?
@huskerdu
Have you thought about flat betting ? I think it's the best MM full stop ;)
@turner
I asked because you sounded non plussed about that 1st song, & no I don't regret asking.....
Your answer was just fine 8) peoples music tastes vary, just like your answer.... ;)
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Without increasing the accuracy of predictions, money management wont stop you losing - it will just vary the rate at which you lose.
The problem with betting progressions is what happens when things dont work out? You wipe out your bankroll.
Ok, playing real roulette at a land based cazino visual ballistics can increase the accuracy of predictions, but playing online cazino, since flat betting is based absolutely on luck, there is no other way of betting except progressions, or not?
My verdict is :
Bet selection: random against random
Progression: a very light negative progression or a very heavy positive progression .
I'm working on it after my last Vaterloo and the outcomes look positive so far
Quote from: huskerdu on Mar 28, 04:17 AM 2014
since flat betting is based absolutely on luck,
How did you come to this conclusion pls huskerdu ?
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1. Bet selection:
Every system I've tried so far has failed because it was based on some rules, or facts, or laws, or matrixes, or ''wait for .. and then .. bet on ... '' or whatever we can imagine that lead us to start our bet. Or not? And on the long run, after earning some units and hoping that we had found something real good, sudently every logic rule has wiped out with our money.
We said to aourselves: It can't be happen. But it happened. So I said to myself: Why to crash my mind to find a logical way of betting. Randomness is like hell. So roll a dice, flip a coin whatever you like, and bet the outcome and let the roulette trying to beat you. so you don't have to be with headache to think what to bet, e.c. black or red? I stopped thinking. Just random.
2. Money management or progression:
All negative progressions have lead us to ''sudden death'' Or not? There is a time when all rules collapse (see note 1.) and all negative systems come to the limit where you give up. So if you want to use a negative progression my opinion is to be as much as light and not agressive in order not to loose all our bankroll. And I say if we want to use negative progressions, because many of us have it in our nature to increase (in many ways) our betting when we loose, in order to take back our looses. On the other hand positive progressions have the advantage that we controll our bankroll and if we are lucky we can heat a big win. And if we use a strong positive progression we increase the opportunity of earning a lot or at least counterpoise any previous loses.
@husker du
1. how about playing 2 methods & alternating between them, or something like that. That would also be fighting "random V random" wouldn't it?
When you do flat betting you are putting less money "at risk" than any of your suggested progressions.
Re 2. You appear to be going for the "boom or bust" theory, regarding your progressions, hope you have the balls and blood pressure tablets for that.
Whatever you decide good luck :thumbsup:
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@ ddarko
1. 2 methods & alternating between them in the same session or use different systems in every session? I have tried in the same session using different systems but the losts of the one systems couldn's overcome the winnings of the other. But it was a good try.
2. I really don't like the ''boom or burst'' theory, I've been there and have been burst :) I think a flat betting is been used when you see for ec. 30 blacks and 10 reds, so you say for the next 30 spins I flatbet on reds. Sure I have tried this kind of flatbett with disaster.
3. Having read the book ''Thirteen against the Bank'' I'm experimenting on betting on both ECs (the one bet on blacks and the other bet on reds at the same time, positive progression both) with Reverse labouchere. It fits to my that I've bored of thinking what to bet. Interesting resalts so far, without loosing my bankroll.
thanks for your wishes, I don't know how do you get with roulette, wish you good luck too :)
husk - re your EC betting such as red & black. As you say you are up to betting 2 units on red & 3 units on black & if zero hits the you lose 5 units for that spin. I've seen system sellers/scammers on you tube demonstrating these very same flawed plays.
If black had have spun up then it would have been +3 W for black & -2 L on Red = +1 net. If Red had spun up it would have been +2 Red & -3 for Black = -1 net.
In the past this type of betting has been discussed on the forums. The better way to play this is by differential betting, that is you only bet the higher amount of the difference between the 2 options . You should only play many of your bets on paper/or your bet sheet.
What then does all this mean ? Any Red & black amount being if each the same amount is a futile bet as any win is cancelled by the loss. If Zero is not bet on as an insurance bet bet then the risk is that both the Red & Black bets are lost & given to the casino. Equal amount bets should not bet on for obvious reasons.
Using the 3B & 2R bets again for my example, plus on paper calculations, we can see that the differential calc. directs us to place a 1 unit bet on black only. If zero hits then the loss is -1 unit instead of -5. If black hits then it's the same as 1st shown at +1. If red hits then we again get the same as 1st shown at -1.
So as you can see for a far less outlay & loss risk we achieve the same value result.
Quote from: huskerdu on Mar 29, 01:52 PM 2014
@ ddarko
1. 2 methods & alternating between them in the same session or use different systems in every session? I have tried in the same session using different systems but the losts of the one systems couldn's overcome the winnings of the other. But it was a good try.
2. I really don't like the ''boom or burst'' theory, I've been there and have been burst :) I think a flat betting is been used when you see for ec. 30 blacks and 10 reds, so you say for the next 30 spins I flatbet on reds. Sure I have tried this kind of flatbett with disaster.
3. Having read the book ''Thirteen against the Bank'' I'm experimenting on betting on both ECs (the one bet on blacks and the other bet on reds at the same time, positive progression both) with Reverse labouchere. It fits to my that I've bored of thinking what to bet. Interesting resalts so far, without loosing my bankroll.
1. I don't have the answer :-[ but basically I'm trying to say some way, get on the winning trend & off the losing one. Swap RB for OE Swap playing for the run to playing for the chop etc etc etc.
2. Sorry you lost that way but I don't think that's down to the flat betting part.
3. I've read that as well ;) If you run with that your going to need another "partner in crime"
@ausguy
well put as always
dicksucker mate :thumbsup: LOL
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For a while, I thought that a good way to win is to play many systems at the same time. I've spent many hours testing and playing different methods, but all of them lost eventually. I played a method where I bet on three EC's, double dozens, double columns at the same time. So basically it was 5 systems in 1. It failed. When 2 out of the 5 losing, the 3 winners cannot cover the losses. I tried many other variants, and non of them works. Betting on both red and black with whatever progression would lose as well. Even on no zero wheel.
The problem with outside bets is, non of the bet selections make sense. Good example when 10 red hits, one thinks red is hot that's the way to go, the other thinks black has to come next. I tried to play random outside bets with the same progression and money management can be found in systems, and it produced the same results. Sometimes win, sometimes loss.
Quote from: ati on Mar 29, 05:41 PM 2014
Good example when 10 red hits, one thinks red is hot that's the way to go, the other thinks black has to come next.
How about going with the mantra, NOTHING is "due" or "not due" ??? ??? ???
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Never play Martingale. It is the surest way to lose all at last.
when I was a little child (:)) I was waiting to see more blacks than reds and then (gambler's fallacy) I used to bet on reds with negarive progression and sooner or later, a disaster used to come.
Now that i've grown up (:)) , I play based on the fact that one of the BLACK or RED will increase its outcome. And I play positive progressions on that fact. Small looses when the B & R are equal and good wins when one of them starts to growth.
So I'm going with not against Gambler's fallacy. B and R cannot be eual. One of them will start to overpass either from the beginning of the session either during session. So if I play both with positive progression, one of them will give me positive results which will surpass the negative results of the other side. Simple or do I miss something?
"Simple or do I miss something " ? Unless you're playing BetVoyager no zero you have ? To me it seems that differential betting (DB) calculations are not a factor in your betting ?
Why outlay more money than you have to when DB allows less outlays for the same returns ? Also what about any zero hits on any 37 or 38 pocket wheel ?
I feel you didn't comprehend what I was getting at in my other post a few back @ 9:57am today ?
Why BetVoyager don't let you bet on both Blacks and Reds? Something ''Holy Grail'' is hiding behind it? I'm trying to catch it. Think about it.
I/we forum members discussed all about what you are doing/talking on here about years ago. It never worked then & nothing has changed, even right now.
I acknowledge BV don't allow opposite EC bets. How about revealing where you do bet or is that secret "Holy Grail" business ?
I'm resigned to the fact that we are on completly different wave lengths here. So good luck in your quest, as I'm certain you're "gunna" need it ?
@Kingsroulette
In relation to your post above, where u mentioned: Never play Martingale. It is the surest way to lose all
at last. What's in your opinion, the best progression for ec bets....?
Quote from: huskerdu on Mar 30, 06:26 AM 2014
Why BetVoyager don't let you bet on both Blacks and Reds? Something ''Holy Grail'' is hiding behind it? I'm trying to catch it. Think about it.
Nothing "Holy Grail" about that B&M casino's do it as well. It's to stop you tracking spins with the smallest chance of losing....
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Quote from: ddarko on Mar 30, 08:36 AM 2014
Nothing "Holy Grail" about that B&M casino's do it as well. It's to stop you tracking spins with the smallest chance of losing....
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This. But there are many ways to do free spins on no zero, I always bet 3 units on low, 1 unit on 4th double street, 2 units on 3rd dozen. You can also bet on both colors at the same time, one outside, the rest all inside bets. The downside is you need to use minimum 18 units per color. If it could beat the game, they wouldn't offer it.
I just spoke to myself in the mirror and said " why do they bother placing bets when most of it can be done with on pen & paper" ? I then laughingly replied " I guess some people like to do things the hard way as the easy way seems too obvious".
Quote from: ausguy on Mar 30, 11:36 AM 2014
I just spoke to myself in the mirror and said " why do they bother placing bets when most of it can be done with on pen & paper" ? I then laughingly replied " I guess some people like to do things the hard way as the easy way seems too obvious".
As Spike used to say....
"Keep it simple stupid"
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Ah the good 'ol K.I.S.S. I once saw it written as KEEP IT STUPID SIMPLE.
Quote from: ausguy on Mar 30, 11:44 AM 2014
I once saw it written as KEEP IT STUPID SIMPLE.
hehehe That's priceless ;)
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Well, I started my post stating my experience where the RNG of BetVoyager brought exactly the opposite outcome of the RNG of Random.org for 14 consecutive spinsin a row. So the whole strange thing of my case was that I didn't loose because I was dealing with complicated systems of betting, neither I was based on logical thoughts (for example to bet on red , blacks to appear every spin and to martignale on reds till they appear and loose after 14 blacks). I have seen many outcomes that way. The strange thing was that my betting was derived from the outcome of the RNG of the random.org!!! So I used an RNG against another !!!
Is there more K.I.S.S. outthere ever? I've stopped thinking what to bet. Just random bets. Anything simplier?
Imagine to flip a coin (saying for example the one side is black and the other is red) and for 14 consecutive times in a row the outcome of the RNG of BV is exactly the oposite !!!
Propability: 1 / 16.000 !!! Unbelievable!!!
Anyway, thanks guys for your responses
Regards
Quote from: huskerdu on Mar 31, 12:12 PM 2014
So I used an RNG against another !!!
Now I'm a bit old skool here, for me RNG ISN'T roulette. I'm fully aware not every here agrees on that but pls hear me out.
So, you have bet non roulette V non roulette.
How about an old "live spin" session V the ACTUAL "live spin" session?
Whatever you do the best thing I can recommend is flat betting !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If rng = random software then how can anyone trust that?? You may as well have bunnies jumping across the screen and pooping on numbers. Its just as roulette as rng.
Live roulette does not need a spinning wheel and a ball, it could be the same as drawing lottery numbers, or spinning the wheel of fortune etc. It's just the way it was created. Live roulette is also rng, a mechanical random number generator. I tried playing the same system on BV and live wheel. There is no difference.
You can set the numbers from 0-36 at random.org, -which is said to be the absolute true random number generator-, and imagine playing your roulette system. You will not see any difference compared to a live game. Think about online poker, much much more people playing it, and the cards shuffled/generated by rng. No one has a problem with that.
People think if 15 reds comes in a row on rng, it must be a cheat. How about this?
(link:://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/20/article-0-13B4055D000005DC-575_468x562.jpg)
This is my opinion, you're free to believe in whatever you want.
Quote from: ati on Apr 01, 03:37 AM 2014
I tried playing the same system on BV and live wheel. There is no difference.
Live Wheel = A man made crafted machine, operated by a human being.
RNG = a piece of software/piece of hardware
That's NOT the same in my opinion
Guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one ati ;)
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That pic of the marquee & all those 19's & 20's was discussed some months back. Someone revealed that it was a NOT IN PLAY table but something about a fault or test of the reader system by the casino tech. heads ?
Any display is possible if the "right buttons" are pushed. I doubt that a result similar to that shown would ever come up on a live in play dealer spun wheel anywhere ?
Troll through Wesibaden or similar live dealer spins as far back as you can & show at any time Where they had 7 back to back same numbers, 8 out of 15 the same numbers (19R), x2 twice the same numbers out of 15 (20B) ?
RNG casino computer generated numbers are a different animal. In order to consistantly maintain profits they (casino) need to manipulate the numbers/results.
If this was untrue then how is it that the game program has an adjustable % return ? Let' do a quick hypothetical say an RNG game is set at 95% return to the player. Then a sharp casino bean counter discovers a loop hole in the regs. So they change the return to the player to 90%. This means that the program "diverts" a further 5% into the casinos coffers.
The casino boss lights up a nice fat cigar & laughingly declares he can now replace his ageing 2011 Ferrari with a bright shiny new one. "For you my on the ball bean counter" he declares, "will get a nice new VW". "Gee boss" the bean counter replies, "Your generosity is only exceeded by your good looks".
Electronic Roulette's not the only game that uses RNG. Slots/Poker machines, Card Games, Horse/Dog racing, Keno, anything video. It all runs off the back of slots which dates back well before computerisation. All those gears which from day one allowed manipulated results & when your onto a good thing stick to it. Then came computers, the Internet & on line gambling has boomed.
Ati's quote
there is no difference, very true.
this morn on smart live 10 clockish,first ten spins
14
21
35
28
26
10
28
26
28
23 three repeats and low an behold there 28,26,
35 11th spin repeat. see this in the uk bookies regular. Also in the statistics last 185 spins shows 0 6th spin, no 0 for 179 spins, are smartlive trying to hit zero,with 26 and 35 repeating and the arear those spins is 28 to 21 11 pockets around zero, dealer footprint?
At fairway live Wheel I saw a few days ago 1st dozen being missed for....31 spins
in a row.....; Any thoughts....??
yes that seen in uk bookies Chris, and e/c for 24 spins numerous times,as Ati said theres no difference.
I won't try to convince anybody as I cannot be 100% sure of rng's fairness, but I hope one day I can be a regular winner, and bring some evidence. Not many proven winners with live play either, but that's probably because roulette said to be unbeatable, so soon or later everyone fails. I still think I can thank most of my losings to my own stupidity. I always had nice runs, but when I struggled I did things like betting with 10 euro units with a 500 euro roll, instead of taking a step back and grind it up again.
Maybe we're talking about cheating of RNGs, because we all have seen more ''evil'' things at the online RNGs than at live casinos.
And that's logical, because we have spent much more time online than at live casinos. Imagine that 1 hour of playing at online roulette coresponds to one or two days at a casino. So, if we have seen 1 billion spins online and respectfully 1.000.000 spins at land-based casinos, it's logical to have seen more crazy outcomes online.
I think that if we could spend two whole days at a casino looking without stoping the outcmes of all the tables, we would have seen ''evil'' things as RNG. For example we all have seen at live casions 14 consecutive times red or black. But at online we have seen 24. I think it can be done and at live casions, it just haven't happen when we were there.
So maybe random is random whetever you play, live or online, the same thing.
Nice reply Huskerdu and Ati's as well.
have recodings of over 1000 rng games i've played and now recording smartlive. Early days but first ten spins much the same, next thirty spins looking the same as well. But when and if live and rng results look similar, whos to say anyone would believe anyway.
Has spell check stopped working?
The wrole concept of rng is wrong from the start in my opinion. The casino can do anything to manipulate the game with digital numbers. Even if they are supposed to be fair, on the internet it is too easy to be scammed. Fair to who? To the casino so they have the unfair advantage?
If online casino cheats and land-based casino not, why we lose at both casinos in about the same way? Why a system that has failed at online casinos has also failed at land-based casinos?
I think casinos don't need cheatng. They have all pros with them :
1. Randomness - chaos in accordance with gamblers fallacy. What a killer !!!!! Who has beat it?
2. The house edge.
3. Man's nature and psychology. Greedness, excess self-confidence for a way of playing, the easy way of earning money (think about to sit on a table and earn money without having a boss or any other commitments...), and the biggest enemy of all the vain and panic tries to regain our looses (think about how many times your system has failed when the roulette swapping contisusly your bankroll and you don't know what to do and under in panic and negative psychologyat your last futile bets are in panic in order to regain and finally you looose it all)
For all you guys who think RNG & Live wheels are the same.....
Casino's are not charities or non profit organizations right ?
Years ago (things may well of changed now) I played at a Microgaming website, I cannot for the life of remember who....
Their limit on a single number with the "live" roulette game ? £25-00
Their limit on a single number with the RNG roulette game ? £250-00
Make from that what you will.....
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husherdu - I think your view on casinos is flawed. Just look at the operation of slot machines, they are RNG so why don't they just rely on randomness to beat the players ? Slots & how they operate might go back 80 or 90 years or longer. The operation of slots is set up so that the casino/venue has a constant guaranteed return. To do this they manipulate the results. Go onto Google, it's well explained there.
Just like with a cars odometer the tenths turn over quite quickly & the 100,000's oh so slowly. The tenths pay peanuts & the big numbers the higher value jackpots. Oh yes the big jackpot goes off but rarely, if ever, do you see another big one go off soon after the 1st one on the same machine ? I don't play them but talk a little to people who do. New South Wales State Australia has 10% of the worlds Slot/Poker machines. Only 5 million people out of 6 billion.
Using Slots ideas as a basis, RNG for other games has evolved including roulette. All with variants of manipulated results so as to guarantee steady returns. Couple this with not needing a dealer is the way to go for the casino/venue, lower overheads = more profit.
Also RNG "cheats" because under the gaming regs. they are allowed to.
I have found that RNG roulette either on line or at a live casino (Vegas Star) has hardly ever given me wins, whereas live dealer wheels have averaged about a 45% win strike rate over 12 years of playing. Yes I fully agree that the house edge keeps them ahead, thus the 10 % advantage they've had with my money over time.
Your points in no.3 is something that can be mostly eliminated with good MM (money management), bet & progression management. All controlled via a well planned bet sheet. With hundreds of hours of information available on the forums words such as greediness, excess self confidence, vain & panic, negative psychology, futile bets, panic in order to regain, should not enter the equation ?
It all boils down to that very relevant saying "Failing to plan is planning to fail".
Quote from: ddarko on Apr 02, 06:54 AM 2014
For all you guys who think RNG & Live wheels are the same.....
Casino's are not charities or non profit organizations right ?
Years ago (things may well of changed now) I played at a Microgaming website, I cannot for the life of remember who....
Their limit on a single number with the "live" roulette game ? £25-00
Their limit on a single number with the RNG roulette game ? £250-00
Make from that what you will.....
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Hello ddarko
I think one of the reasons for keeping the 'live wheel' limits low was that it would be easy for a group of players to get together on Skype or something similar and construct a progression so they could give themselves a very good chance of winning. So keeping the limit low made it harder to achieve and not worth the effort for most. More recently however, I have noticed a lot of the Playtech casinos have very high limits even on their 'live wheels'. The advancements in technology would make me more wary than ever about playing online nowadays and I much prefer to play at B+M casinos.
cheers
thanks bob ;) interesting point....
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Some wheels I've seen have an outside betting limit of 50,000 Euro, and inside betting limit of 500 Euro. That says something too.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 02, 06:25 PM 2014
Some wheels I've seen have an outside betting limit of 50,000 Euro, and inside betting limit of 500 Euro. That says something too.
You cannot win on the outside bets by any chance ?
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QuoteI think one of the reasons for keeping the 'live wheel' limits low was that it would be easy for a group of players to get together on Skype or something similar and construct a progression so they could give themselves a very good chance of winning.
An approach like this wouldnt work because, like any progression, the big losses wipe the combined bankroll out. It would be no different to losing on a low limit table, reaching the maximum bet, then moving to a table with a higher betting limit. It doesnt increase your chances of winning. It only increases the amount you wager.
Darko, get a haircut :P
Sue you can win with outside bets, but I dont believe in the long term (ie winnings without luck). Things the casinos do tell us a lot about what they know about beating roulette.
You'd think they are the experts in the game. Actually they rely on a handful of key consultants that know a lot. Some of these consultants advise on wheel designs. Some of them continue to directly educate casino staff. And one of them directly said the professional players know more than them, because they are the ones putting the most effort into studying the game.
Either way, casinos are using better technology and roulette is getting harder to beat. I dont think it will ever be completely unbeatable. More like a gradual reduction in beatable wheels. The world is likely to be a very different place in the coming 10-20 years and I suspect by then, casinos will become less prevalent because money will have less significance. Anyway thats getting off topic.
it's like reply #38 when I asked you a question...
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13992.msg120899#msg120899 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13992.msg120899#msg120899)
Looks like wheel manufacturers are making it more and difficult for you wheel watchers.
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QuoteLooks like wheel manufacturers are making it more and difficult for you wheel watchers.
When casinos lose money to "wheel watchers", naturally they want to protect themselves. No need to use countermeasures against other methods, because they dont work unfortunately.
I didnt see your post on the other thread. If you want an answer to something, you are best directly contact me. I'll respond about this shortly. I wont post the answer here.
no problem :thumbsup:
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Here you go:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14268.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14268.0)
I created a private board for 250+ post members.
There is still more to it, but I gave sufficient detail.