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Same ol' warmed over B.S..................

You think the information is inaccurate? So casinos, consultants, statisticians, and all professionals are wrong?

QuoteNow consider doing the same thing, but in a situation where over 10,000 spins, there are 4000 reds and 6000 blacks.

STANDARD DEVIATION: Single Zero
18 numbers bet for 10000 spins

4000 hits = -17.30361825394801 SD

-17.3 SD is impossible, in real world. The comparison is vague.

It is even much more difficult to happen than only 3 hits of red in any 250 consecutive spins. >:(

Steve is it possible that man of your roulette knowledge can say something like this?

Such difference has same value as 316 EC-s in a row would have....  :lol:

Drazen

It wasn't obvious my examples were to illustrate a point?

I didnt know that when trying to make a point, flaunting with totally false numbers can make a point in the end?

I know that this approach wont create an edge, but on contrary with sophisticated MM can be very successful longterm, as will bring lower variance. I am using it on roulette and sports betting too, for enough of time now and I still have to bust... Actually even experience stretch of bank more then 30%...

And if I tell you that gambling around this approach has become my only income, you will probably just laugh, (still cant resent you that)  same as  when I drink sweet gambling juice   :thumbsup:

Cheers

I'll make it simpler:

1. The wheel has no memory of past spins
2. No winning number is ever "due"

Because of the above, no progression or money management will increase your chances of winning. Why? . . . Because varying bet size only changes the amount you risk on each independent spin, nothing more.

Drazen, you said your approach wont gives you an edge, but you say good money management will give long term profit because it lowers the variance. But the variance is exactly the same. How can what you do with your money affect the game? And this is my point. Another example is if you had 100,000 reds in a row, the chance of black/red is still 50/50 (assuming we dont have zero, happy now?). No money management will change this.

If you believe otherwise, please show me any evidence that your bet size will change the odds of a winning number.

Drazen if you have been successful so far, good on you, but it is not uncommon for players to be ahead with a losing system. Take 100 players all using the same losing system, and 40 will be ahead, and 60 will be broke. The 40 think they have defeated roulette, and the 60 are back to square one. The more the 40 continue to play, the more likely they will lose the lot. Its a billion dollar industry and the casinos rely on some people being winners to keep the hope going, but most being losers.

If you can provide any proof that your bets and money management can influence where the ball lands, I'll glady apologize.

If you and alabalah (kingsroulette) want to legitimately beat roulette, perhaps dont shitpick (link:://:.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitpicking (link:://:.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitpicking)) and carefully consider the above. Do whatever testing you want and understand I'm not trying to argue, I'm sincerely trying to help.

In my opinion, there are two possibilities:

1. There is a king of all cheaters.
2. Instead of finding a new strategy, most people tend to get used of the old strategy and keep their trust on fate, not on themselves.

And if I tell you that gambling around this approach has become my only income-Drazen

Congrats Drazen if that is true.  :thumbsup:

The wheel has no memory  -  but we do!

ALL roulette play should be based on what numbers are coming up when you are actually playing.

You can chart the numbers and use them to find or confirm winning patterns, but each 37 or 38 actual consecutive series of numbers is unique and will not appear in that particular consecutive order again in your lifetime!

As you extend that series of play, each additional recorded number can be used to predict the extension of an observed pattern that shows that certain numbers in the series you just played have a better chance of coming up more than the probability of one time in 37 or 38 spins.

QuoteIt wasn't obvious my examples were to illustrate a point?

           Either you have not attended probability classes ever or probability or randomness has never been your subject of study. Only your cheating devices can do anything for the mankind.

Alabalah (kingsroulette), link:://:.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitpicking (link:://:.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitpicking)

I understand you have a personal problem with me, because I banned you after:

1. You were spamming and selling systems on multiple forums I manage, and
2. I gave you ample opportunity to prove your systems work, and
3. You could not answer questions or address points that proved the systems you were selling dont work.

Nothing you've developed that Ive seen actually works. You are in no position to judge my methods, or my knowledge. I was very fair with you.

See the link for the definition of what you are doing, and why.

Its nothing personal, but please if you have justified criticism against me, go for it, nothing to hide here. If you are going to make trouble and troll because of a personal vendetta because of something any credible forum admin would do, its not welcome. You are welcome to post here to contribute, not to troll.

As for the issue you raised, I already clearly addressed it.

Al, you are making a fool of yourself. Everyone knows my example was to illustrate a point. Grow up.

Alabalah (kingsroulette) has been banned and some posts removed. I never ban anyone merely for disagreeing with me. I'll be clear why Im banning him yet again:

1. He was already banned on rouletteforum.net for creating multiple accounts and spamming to sell his systems that he claims are the "holy grail".

2. He was banned here before for doing the same thing, but the most recent time as I explained to him:

- He was spamming and selling systems on multiple forums I manage, and

- I gave him ample opportunity to prove your systems work, and

- He could not answer questions or address points that proved the systems he was selling dont work.

I gave him ample chance. He spammed, tried to scam people, and most recently trolling here, obviously trying to start trouble because I banned him when any admin would do the same.

Others have been banned for similar reasons (trolling), then lie about the reasons they were banned, such as claiming i banned them for disagreeing with me, then for them It turns into a childish vendetta. I have no problem with disagreements. I do have a problem with trolling and such behavior will get you banned at any well moderated forum.

Again anyone can raise any point or discuss anything. But if you are clearly out to start trouble, it wont be tolerated. I dont have time for bullshit and I hope others feel the same.

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What about this steve?
Is it really worth to pay 2100$ and be able to finally win?

J.

I played along with the video. After a few spins and charting the wheel, I had more profit than them because I was only using 4 chips! They were covering nearly half the wheel. How many chips is that?

I was using Jack Wise Kennedy's Positional Roulette Method which is FREE!

I can't tell you what to do with your money JJ, but you could save yourself 2 grand!

SAS

QuoteIs it really worth to pay 2100$ and be able to finally win?

JJFX, if you can dedicate the time, yes it is. But it is not the holy grail and does have limitations. But I'm selling something and any vendor would respond much the same way. So you'll just need to do your own research and decide for yourself.

Spinasequence, the video you are referring to is about 150 spins I think. This is short term, and not even the results of that demo are significant. So why did I do the video? Because people want to see videos. I even tell people it shouldnt really be proof of much. Besides it is only a simplistic approach compared to what is possible.

Your description of jack's system is below, with my notes:

Step 1. You always play the same as the last colour of the previous spin - SAL
Step 2. You don't bet the last number
Step 3. You only bet 4 chips on 4 different numbers straight up

The system you described is a collection of requirements, that by themselves do not at all increase the accuracy of predictions. And because none of the requirements increase accuracy, the combination of them is no different.

With my notes:

QuoteStep 1. You always play the same as the last colour of the previous spin - SAL

Playing the same colour doesnt at all increase accuracy.

QuoteStep 2. You don't bet the last number

This doesnt increase accuracy either

QuoteStep 3. You only bet 4 chips on 4 different numbers straight up

This is simply 4 different independent bets. What makes the 4 numbers any different from another set of 4 numbers?


I think you also mentioned it is a short-term approach. But what if 1,000 people all tried to use it short term. There would be winners, and losers. Most would lose. That's the house edge. Those 1,000 players playing short term is the equivalent to one player playing long term.

It is not my intention to discredit the system. I'm trying to highlight the logic:

a. Does betting same colour change the odds? (this has been well tested before)
b. Does not betting the last number change the odds? (also well tested)
c. What makes the 4 selected numbers any different to another 4?

Well, I am winning with it anyway and that's all that matters to me!

There is a lot of merit behind JWK's logic and thinking and I am grateful to him - God rest his soul.


SAS

Please explain what you mean by "lot of merit".

I'm not doubting you've profited, but it's not uncommon to be ahead with an ineffective system. Sooner or later, reality hits.

Here:

link:://web.archive.org/web/20021209001742/:.sq-ro-let.com/contents.html (link:://web.archive.org/web/20021209001742/:.sq-ro-let.com/contents.html)


I couldn't be doing with all that counting C or CC, so I devised my own method of using 4 chips.

I play a variation of JWK, whereby I play 9 houses.
Apart from zero the ball can only drop in houses 1-9.


2-4-6-8 are black
3-5-7-9 are red
House 1 has 2 black and 2 red.


Pretty simple to win often actually!

SAS


Your comment about an ineffective system that is in profit made me smile! :)

7 1 3 8 3 8   0  5 6 1 4 3 2
2                                   7
9                                   8
4                                   7
9                                   6
4                                   9
5 2 1 6 7 6 5 1 5 8 3 2 9 4


This is the single 0 wheel I play!

Hi Spinasequence

I have been following the post with a lot of interest. Would it be possible to give
some examples, using for example about 15 or more numbers as to how you actually
play the system......? explaining what you mean by 9 houses etc....thanks.

Cheers

Chris

Have a go at working out the houses from the wheel below. Then we will take it from there.

Except 0 there are 4 in each house and they all reduce to a single digit.

So - right to left after zero we have 32 which to me is a 5.



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7 1 3 8 3 8   0  5 6 1 4 3 2
2                                   7
9                                   8
4                                   7
9                                   6
4                                   9
5 2 1 6 7 6 5 1 5 8 3 2 9 4


This is the single 0 wheel I play!

Quote from: SpinASequence on Apr 23, 12:22 PM 2014
Have a go at working out the houses from the wheel below. Then we will take it from there.

Except 0 there are 4 in each house and they all reduce to a single digit.

So - right to left after zero we have 32 which to me is a 5.



...........................

7 1 3 8 3 8   0  5 6 1 4 3 2
2                                   7
9                                   8
4                                   7
9                                   6
4                                   9
5 2 1 6 7 6 5 1 5 8 3 2 9 4


This is the single 0 wheel I play!

Looks like simple numerology reduction to me.  Reducing each number to a single digit.  There are only 0-9 in Numerology.

Assuming we bet on house 5 and house 6 comes up.

Next bet are we meant to continue betting on house 5.....?
If yes, for how many more spins....?

Or are we meant to bet on house 6....?

Assuming next spin, house 9 comes up which house do we bet....?

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

Quote from: foogus on Apr 24, 01:16 PM 2014
Looks like simple numerology reduction to me.  Reducing each number to a single digit.  There are only 0-9 in Numerology.

...............



Exactly!

Apart from zero the ball can only drop in one of nine numbers. The pattern is set!!


At this time, the casinos do not realize that there is a discernible, weighted, mathematical formula.

When they find out can they change the pattern of the wheel?
The answer is no!!!

I do not care from where the dealer starts the ball.
How fast or slow the dealer spins the wheel.
Whether it is spun clockwise or counter-clockwise for long periods of time or alternates after every spin.
Whether they use the small or large ball for long or short periods of time or alternates them after every spin.
Whether casinos change the dealer after long or short intervals or after every spin, because unless the wheel is fixed :-

NOTHING THEY DO CAN CHANGE THE INHERENT PATTERN IN ROULETTE WHEELS!!

SAS

Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 24, 01:29 PM 2014
Assuming we bet on house 5 and house 6 comes up.

Next bet are we meant to continue betting on house 5.....?
If yes, for how many more spins....?

Or are we meant to bet on house 6....?

Assuming next spin, house 9 comes up which house do we bet....?

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

If house 6 came up followed by house 9, I would bet on house 3.

Why? Check it out and see how many times it happens.

All reduced numbers are :
147 column 1.
258 column 2.
369 column 3.

2468 are black and 3579 are red.

SAS

I don't understand. can you post an example with number?

thanks

HI SAS

With JWK Method do:

After a win wait another 9 spins before betting or carry on?

If you are -36 do you take the lose and carry on flay bettings

Koolkat