What do most people think is the way forward? A four step martingale?
Even chances or double streets? Or selections of numbers such as the Kavouras bet? Doublestreets?
What are members most popular strategies?
Marios
Forget Martingale, french sounding names, reverse this, reverse that, doubling up, progressions outside bets! Forget!
THE best way to play roulette is to buy in for 120 units. Sit quietly don't get flustered and play the wheel. Forget any pre-conceived ideas.
It's so simple. It's that simple that people dismiss it!
Step 1. You always play the same as the last colour of the previous spin - SAL
Step 2. You don't bet the last number
Step 3. You only bet 4 chips on 4 different numbers straight up
So, if the last number is a RED your next bet is ONE unit on FOUR separate RED numbers straight up. This will give you a chance to win 32 units.
If the last number is a BLACK, your next bet is ONE unit.............as above
As you are not playing the last number - say it is 5R - you are narrowing your selection down to 17 numbers.
Why do you follow the colour from the previous spin - SAL? Because you will pick up any short or long runs of that colour, giving you 4 chances to win 32 chips!
Are you with it so far?
You can narrow it down even further by charting the wheel. This will give you an indication of a pattern.
If you record the numbers it will even tell you which numbers NOT to bet!
Don't believe me?
Record the last 37 spins from any REAL wheel. Forget rng! Forget!
You will always find there are 12 numbers that are no-shows. Now to make up for that some of the other numbers must hit more than once. Agreed?
So you have an even better chance by referring to this FACT of selecting the winning number. If you miss you lose 4 chips. Big deal!
It's better than any martingale. Even if you start with a pound and double up till you win you could be risking £64 and to win what - a pound!
This is a hit and run way of playing method. If you get in front - walk!
Little wins add up. I am 300 units up playing this way the last fortnight!
Please do not check this using 100000 rng numbers because it will only work with a REAL wheel. Do not play it on-line except for live roulette and do not play it in the bookies!
SAS
Interesting aproach, how long have you being playing it and where did you learn it?
What are other members opinion of this system and what are other members favourite strategies that they use week in week out and have stood the test of time in being profitable?
Marios
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You can read about it here :
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It's a very difficult read!
I have simplified it in my post.
SAS
Ok thanks Ill have a read and keep us updated how it works for you over time please.
More members please write which systems you are currently using!
Thanks,
Marios
Come on guys Im sure most of you are playing the game everyday, Dont you want to reveal what tactics you are currently using?
This is the signature of a member of one of the other forums:
Don't expect someone to give you a ready to use solution for all your gambling problems. Work for it.
It comes to mind when I read this thread.
Actually the OP is only asking for others members popular (or favourite) strategies. That's all.
mario - Heres one for you. Live dealer real chip casino. Maximum betting, big fat bank roll. Based on a 37 number table not too far from me.
35 numbers covered wins 1 unit. 1 unit = $200.
$10 minimum inside bet table. Maximum single bet $200. Target $400 @ 2 wins via 2 bets within 1 hour. Place 35 x $200 bet = $7,000 BR.
Loss risk $7,000. Win = $200. Goal is to win twice = $400, cash in & go. Do this 5 days per week (loss free) gives you $2,000 x 52 = $104,000 P/A.
If you don't have the BR then either work & save it up or get a loan. A less expensive way is to bet the min. $10 x 35 = $350. Plan to stay longer to win 40 times at $10 per play also gives you $400. Best of luck if you take it on mario.
"Don't expect someone to give you a ready to use solution for all your gambling problems. Work for it" >>> I dont even like the guy and I complimented him on his signature. (lol)
Ken
Good post ausguy, have you actually tried this/do you play this method week in week out, and if so then what results have you had/are having?
As for the others, I didnt ask for a ready made solution to my gambling problems, I asked for members to discuss popular strategies and tactics. If your going to be so negative and critical then whats the point in even having a forum? Or do you just like being critical of people seeking help but then when you want to know something yourselves then it will be a different story? Whats the point in troll-like behaviour. Ive tried to remain positive on the forum but then you have to be so negative. Why? Out of boredom?
Marios
Mario - Have only tested it a little both at live casino & on line live dealer. As only 2 numbers are not bet on I've been pulling 2 numbers out of 37 (numbered coins in a handy container) for each test bet = a new numbers pick for every bet (randomness).
At the casino I have picked 2 spins maybe 20 minutes apart in a 1/2 hr window. So far in 5 visits the 2 test bets were all winners. On line at Smart Live (SL) Casino live dealer about 1 spin per 2 minutes I tested 5 random spins in a 1 hour window again using 2 random number picks for each bet. I chose SL because the bet window is wider than most, 60 seconds +/-. This allows all the bets to be placed. Again all test bets were winners.
I randomly chose SL bet the times by reducing my coins to 30 & drawing 5 out & I then made a bet time list when to make a test bet.
SL inside limits are 1 GBP to 100 GBP per number. This is not quite $200 per bet but not too far away as the exchange rate to OZ gives $185 +/- per 100 GBP. Not too hard to live with.
The large BR is a hurdle for me as I'm retired & on a fixed lowish income. I suppose a player could start at the minimum 1GBP x 37 @ 5 bets per day gets 40 units 37 + 3 spare in 8 days. Then compound the bets to 2 units on days 9 - 12. Then it's 3 units,then 4, 5 & so on. I haven't calc'd it out but with compounding, while slow at 1st but after a few weeks the amounts would get satisfyingly larger & eventually hit the max. limit.
Now that I've thought about it, perhaps this is a better way to go then risking a big 3.5k GBP or $7,000 BR. As the start up BR is 37GBP say 40GBP @ abt $75 OZ then the rest won is using the casinos own money. Not much to outlay for a bit of fun & maybe fortune? At that price everyone could try it.
I'll give it a run in a few weeks as I'm getting ready to move house next week
This system will take some balls to play and Im sure there will be people here who will slate it! Ive heard of somone who does something similar but he bets on 35 numbers to make just £5.00 a day per site but he has supposedly 50 or more accounts and spins each one just once per day. £5 x 50 = £250 a day. I think uve got like 97% chance of winning or something but still scary if one of your uncovered numbers hit.
For the last couple of months Ive been using this strategy: waiting for 10 low numbers then betting on high numbers, or waiting for a zig-zag of 10 then betting against the zig-zag, or if I see 12 or 13 colours then bet the opposite, I use martingale but I wouldnt double up beyond a certain point. I started out with a BR of £200 and Im now up to £1505 in a couple of months. My start bet is £5 and my max double up is £160 which has happend to me only twice since I deposited my starting £200 but I made it back in about a week both times.
Im surprised more members havent shared their tactics. I didnt ask for a winning system without putting any work in, I asked for people to share their tactics and experienced. I have spent hours a day playing online roulette and also going to real casinos and hours a day reading and researching and along side working about 50 hours per week.
Marios
@Mario
Congrats on those wins ;) but please please please be careful, that progression WILL get you in the end :-[
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Apr 21, 07:37 PM 2014
@Mario
Congrats on those wins ;) but please please please be careful, that progression WILL get you in the end :-[
O0
Max I can lose is £300 and Ive already got to over £1500 and only £200 of it is my own money that I worked for. The rest is the casinos money. Do you have any progression suggestions for my method? Im betting on tendency, such as after 10 repeats the tendency is to change although there are deviations in which case I lose £300. The time I lost there were 19 blacks in a row with some zeros mixed in for example.
Marios
Quote from: mario12346 on Apr 21, 07:44 PM 2014
Do you have any progression suggestions for my method?
None whatsoever, I don't play progressions & wouldn't recommend them to anybody.
If I was you I'd be looking to find a bet selection with the EC's that you can flat-bet with.
O0
Reading the bet put forward by Aus reminds me of a chap who used to come into the casino quite a few years ago now before all this on-line stuff.
He used to buy in for 37 ponies (£25 chips) He would then place a chip on every number. As the dealer spun and just before he or she shouted no more bets he would take 2 chips off the layout.
I never saw him lose and I never saw him play more than one spin. He cashed in his winnings and left!
In those days that was a very nice daily profit!
SaS - I'm gunna' try the 35 in a few weeks, once I do my move, at Smart Live. I'll do the minimum off 1GBP bets x 35 = BR 35GBP.
I just made up a draw of 30 numbers being random picks of 1 hour of 2 minute spins. 2 x 30 = 60min. I drew out 5 tickets so the bets were 5th spin @ 10min. 7th @ 14 min. 11th @ 22min. 14th @ 28min. & 23rd @ 46min. Prior to the play I will randomly pick 5 x 2 numbers for the non bet picks.
Assuming we always win, I just did some quick calcs on the compounding, as in reinvesting the winnings back into the bets. After 19 days (remember we are only spending up to 1 hour to bet, or with the above picks it's all done at 46 minutes) we get to doubling the 35 start BR every day. It would take a bit more detail calculating but it wouldn't be all that long before we are betting the maximum 100GBP per number = 3,500 of the casinos money to profit @ 500GBP per day.
Play it 5 days per week gives 2 1/2k quid @ 5 hours work. Hard to believe, yes ? It won't work some may say, maybe ? With a 35/37 & 94.59% chance
of winning & 2/37 & 5.41% chance of losing I like the odds. As always the plays will be the judge. Anyone care to take this on also & risk 35 quid ?
Mario, hello Mario are you there ? Anyone seen Mario ?
Just woke up and off to work but Ill re-read this in more detail later but it sounds like an interesting challenge!
Quote from: SpinASequence on Apr 20, 05:23 AM 2014
It's so simple. It's that simple that people dismiss it!
Is it that? NO!
Step 1. You always play the same as the last colour of the previous spin - SAL
Step 2. You don't bet the last number
Step 3. You only bet 4 chips on 4 different numbers straight up
As you are not playing the last number - say it is 5R - you are narrowing your selection down to 17 numbers.
Is there any reason that will give us any advantage?
Why do you follow the colour from the previous spin - SAL? Because you will pick up any short or long runs of that colour, giving you 4 chances to win 32 chips!
Funny idea! Because all runs of a Colour will longterm be the same as the RB or BR chances
Are you with it so far?
NO! That is gamblers Fallacy at its best
If you record the numbers it will even tell you which numbers NOT to bet!
Don't believe me?
No! And nobody else should do.
Record the last 37 spins from any REAL wheel. Forget rng! Forget!
Why? if you record always 37 spins there are a limited number of possible appearances. And none of them is impossible. So why should a random generator produce non-possible outcomes?
You will always find there are 12 numbers that are no-shows. Now to make up for that some of the other numbers must hit more than once. Agreed?
Not agreed! Because the range is from 11 hit to 32 hit numbers. Always therefore is definitely a lie. The most count of no-shows is 13 or 14 not 12
So you have an even better chance by referring to this FACT of selecting the winning number. If you miss you lose 4 chips. Big deal!
It's better than any martingale. Even if you start with a pound and double up till you win you could be risking £64 and to win what - a pound!
This is a hit and run way of playing method. If you get in front - walk!
And don´t even think about this a second time
Little wins add up. I am 300 units up playing this way the last fortnight!
Please do not check this using 100000 rng numbers because it will only work with a REAL wheel. Do not play it on-line except for live roulette and do not play it in the bookies!
SAS
Don´t trust people who know that little about roulette!
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winkel
Of course, the numbers will even out long term! I am talking short term while you are in the casino playing. You will be able to take advantage of any short or longer runs of the same colour. It's an automatic choice.
"On a double-zero wheel let us compare playing four units for 38 spins on the same color that hit with four units played: two on red and two on black numbers. Now in 38 spins the person playing "two and two" would outright lose two units 38 times, which is 76 units on the color that did not come up; that leaves them two chances in 38 spins on the color that hit; now they will lose two more units 36 out of 38 times which is 72 units more; now the two times they hit they only lose one unit each time. So what we have is the "two and two" player will lose four units 36 times and three units two times for a total loss of 150 units. To offset this you only win 34 units twice for a total of 68 units. Subtract 68 units from 150 units and you have a loss of 82 units in 38 spins, which is 54.6%. From this statistic you can see that playing more than one color at a time is a "No-No"; it's the major reason why players lose so much so quickly. Now the single color player will outright lose four units 19 times for 76 units and four units 15 times for 60 units and three units four times for 12 units for a total of 148 units. Now to offset this you win 32 units four times for a total of 128 units. When you subtract 128 units from 148 units lost, you lose 20 units, which is 13.2%. But because you do not play the last number hit, you are always trying to hit four numbers from 18 red or 18 black numbers instead of from 19 red or black numbers."
You are right about the number of no-shows however on a single zero wheel It's about 13.5 on average.
Now go to your casino and follow the colour, don't bet on the last number and select 4 numbers straight up
For today, If BLACK is the previous colour, bet : 4 13 22 and 31. Also 9 if you want cover. ;)
You can think what you like Winkler! I am winning using this strategy so that's all that matters, to me anyway!
Good luck!
SAS
All I can say is that your logic and math is wrong:
If you play 4 numbers you will have a hitrate of 4/37 (4/38) no matter of choosing a colour or a hit or nonhit number.
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winkel
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 22, 02:58 AM 2014
SaS - I'm gunna' try the 35 in a few weeks, once I do my move, at Smart Live. I'll do the minimum off 1GBP bets x 35 = BR 35GBP.
I just made up a draw of 30 numbers being random picks of 1 hour of 2 minute spins. 2 x 30 = 60min. I drew out 5 tickets so the bets were 5th spin @ 10min. 7th @ 14 min. 11th @ 22min. 14th @ 28min. & 23rd @ 46min. Prior to the play I will randomly pick 5 x 2 numbers for the non bet picks.
Assuming we always win, I just did some quick calcs on the compounding, as in reinvesting the winnings back into the bets. After 19 days (remember we are only spending up to 1 hour to bet, or with the above picks it's all done at 46 minutes) we get to doubling the 35 start BR every day. It would take a bit more detail calculating but it wouldn't be all that long before we are betting the maximum 100GBP per number = 3,500 of the casinos money to profit @ 500GBP per day.
Play it 5 days per week gives 2 1/2k quid @ 5 hours work. Hard to believe, yes ? It won't work some may say, maybe ? With a 35/37 & 94.59% chance
of winning & 2/37 & 5.41% chance of losing I like the odds. As always the plays will be the judge. Anyone care to take this on also & risk 35 quid ?
Mario, hello Mario are you there ? Anyone seen Mario ?
I wouldnt mind taking this on, you only risk £35 of your own money!
But wouldnt it be more random to just pick 35 numbers on the spot as opposed to drawing out tickets? And also just do it randomly 5 times a day instead of timing it at intervals? Also maybe do each spin on a different wheel, even one after the other? Or leave the 2 cold numbers uncovered?
Marios
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 22, 02:58 AM 2014
SaS - I'm gunna' try the 35 in a few weeks, once I do my move, at Smart Live. I'll do the minimum off 1GBP bets x 35 = BR 35GBP.
I just made up a draw of 30 numbers being random picks of 1 hour of 2 minute spins. 2 x 30 = 60min. I drew out 5 tickets so the bets were 5th spin @ 10min. 7th @ 14 min. 11th @ 22min. 14th @ 28min. & 23rd @ 46min. Prior to the play I will randomly pick 5 x 2 numbers for the non bet picks.
Assuming we always win, I just did some quick calcs on the compounding, as in reinvesting the winnings back into the bets. After 19 days (remember we are only spending up to 1 hour to bet, or with the above picks it's all done at 46 minutes) we get to doubling the 35 start BR every day. It would take a bit more detail calculating but it wouldn't be all that long before we are betting the maximum 100GBP per number = 3,500 of the casinos money to profit @ 500GBP per day.
Play it 5 days per week gives 2 1/2k quid @ 5 hours work. Hard to believe, yes ? It won't work some may say, maybe ? With a 35/37 & 94.59% chance
of winning & 2/37 & 5.41% chance of losing I like the odds. As always the plays will be the judge. Anyone care to take this on also & risk 35 quid ?
Mario, hello Mario are you there ? Anyone seen Mario ?
like the german officer said to richard attenburgh and gordon jackson in the great escape "good luck". Well "good luck "Ausguy
Quote from: winkel on Apr 22, 09:55 AM 2014
All I can say is that your logic and math is wrong:
If you play 4 numbers you will have a hitrate of 4/37 (4/38) no matter of choosing a colour or a hit or nonhit number.
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winkel
Your maths are right Winkler!
But I am exceeding the mathematical hit rate by playing this way, so I am in profit!
Good luck!
SAS
I just did a test on Smart Live of the 35 numbers idea & had it all nicely typed up when Simple Machines timed me out & flicked my post.
So I ain't "gunna" redo it, so I'll just summarise the plays & leave it at that.
The main news is that it was a winner. The when to bet numbers were the ones I had from yesterday. The 2 non bet numbers were random draw picks I did today.
23 spins took 40 minutes. The 5 wins were at Spin 5. 11B & 18R to lose, 10B spun & W. Spin 7. 9R & 1R to lose, 8B spun & W. Spin 11. 12R & 7R to lose, 23R spun & W. Spin 14. 13B & 9R to lose, 15B spun & W. Spin 23. 10B & 25R to lose, 9R spun & won.
The closest pockets apart non bet numbers ranged from 5 to 9 so no real close calls.
It could be a long term winner taking up no more than an hour of play time per day ? Low money play to start but with compounding & nil losses could be making some serious money after 1 month, probably close to maximum bets all using the casinos money. Take a little profit along the way (at least get your low roller 35 quid back) then after that you can't lose playing with OPM = Other Peoples Money as in casino funded betting. Now that surely is a Grail.
Yes as long as you withdraw your 35 quid once youve doubled it then you cant lose unless you get really unlucky. Or you could use another 35 quid to start another similar thing on another site. Less chance of both of them failing.
Quote from: winkel on Apr 22, 09:55 AM 2014
All I can say is that your logic and math is wrong:
If you play 4 numbers you will have a hitrate of 4/37 (4/38) no matter of choosing a colour or a hit or nonhit number.
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This is the single 0 wheel I play!
I've found repeating Even Chance, Dozens, Streets, Lines are the way to go in general.
Just follow the wheel--If it is majority Red the next spins are likely going to be Red.
If you find a street that has hit more than the other
streets chances are that street will continue to be hot.
Unless the wheel is dishonest the repeaters win out.
Any news Ausguy?
I'm sure that someone who pays so much attention to detail hasn't told us everything.
Can anyone please point out the logic of WHY this system is supposed to work?
Betting on 35 numbers will not work. You will lose 2 out of 37 spins average. You might hit 100 times in a row, but you can also lose 2 times in a row. Just try it with the random.org rng, think of 2 numbers you wouldn't bet on, and hit generate a couple times.
I tried this some time ago at BV NZ real money with the smallest unit, and it did lose many times, and that has half the chance of losing compared to a European wheel.
I attached a graph of 1000 spins, so you can clearly see it's a loser even short term.
Yes betting 35 numbers doesnt changes your chances at all. It's just 35 x independent single number bets.
I tried betting 35 numbers until I lost $70 years ago. That stopped it.