Hi ALL,
This bet has been inspired by Ignatus and his 50/50 street bet and John Legend's Pattern Buster. Thanks to them!
Combined with the numbers from my House System, this bet is super random!
What is it?
It's a bet on 8 streets.
How do we play?
First you must learn the three SETS.
SET 1
These are streets :
1-2-3
10-11-12
19-20-21
28-29-30
For those who know my house system the first numbers will be familiar. They all reduce to : 1
This makes the bet easy to place.
SET 4 - why 4? Because the first numbers reduce to 4. Thus :
4-5-6
13-14-15
22-23-24
31-32-33
Remember these are STREETS!
SET 7
7-8-9
16-17-18
25-26-27
34-35-36
Again the first numbers reduce to 7 making the bet easy to place.
If you look down the layout you will see that
1
4
7
Repeat themselves another three times thus :
10
13
16
19
22
25
And finally
28
31
34
When reduced to a single digit it is just 1-4-7
And this is what we are going to bet on.
So how do we bet?
We bet after three spins and after reducing the numbers to a single digit as per the SETS described above.
Example from Betfair Live Casino this morning
0
10
32
29
27
35
1
29
4
16
I like to start my 'game' after a 0 or with a new dealer. But that's just me. You can start anywhere and the bet is struck after only three spins! No long waiting times for the 'trigger!'
So, after 0 - number 10 was spun. We know that this is in SET 1. We put 1 on a card thus :
1-
Next number spun was 32. We know that this is in SET 4. We put 4 on a card along side the 1:
1-4
Next number spun was 29. We know that this is again in SET 1. We put 1 alongside the other 2 numbers on the card thus :
1-4-1
Now we bet!
What is the bet? We are betting that the dealer cannot repeat this pattern. So our bet is on 8 STREETS using SETS 4 and 7
27 which is in SET 7 comes in and we win 4 units. If I win the first bet in the line I stop - although the second bet would have won also - and wait for another three spins.
So the above sequence would look like this on your card :
1-4-1
7-7-1 W
1-4-7 W actually all three would have won!
Win goal is between 10 and 20 units. I have been achieving this very easily! In fact I have never lost! Admittedly I have only been playing for a few hundreds spins but I reckon if you are patient and content to accept small gains - this is unbeatable.
There are probably other ways to play it. For instance in the first line of the example after the 1 we know we would be betting 4 and 7. We could take a guess and bet just four chips on one or the other.
I would be very interested to hear any suggestions and comments regarding the above which I hope I have explained properly!
Good luck!
SAS
Thanks SAS,
Everything is explained very clearly and I understand it completely.
I will test this out and report my progress
SAS; I agree, you explained perfectly. Ive done a couple of hundred spins with this system now 100% wins so far. Some times you have a couple of losses in a row and a loss down the line a bit, and it does take a little time to recoup but it has always got there!(flat betting only) When that happens I have just gone for the 10 unit win. Don't be greedy and I think this is THE perfect system! ;)
Here is a quick game I just had on Bet Fair live dealer casino Shows how you can recover and make a quick profit!!! (flat betting)
4-7-7 LW
4-1-7 LW
4-4-1 W
7-7-1 W
4-1-4 W
7-7-7 LLW
7-7-1 LW
7-4-7 W
1-1-1 W
7-1-7 W
4-1-7 W
1-1-4 W 8 UNITS PROFIT!!!!
SAS
This is same as a double doz bet isnt it?
0 10 32 29
10 = D1
32 = D3
29 = D3
1-3-3
Bet the dealer wont repeat
Bet D2/3
Whats the progression? 8-24-72 ?
Cant be flat bet on 1:2 odds
Which ever way you look at 24 numbers....its 1:2 odds
Turner
Hi Turner,
Ive been flat betting and always come out in front. It is because you get so many bets win on the first spin!!!
Only done a couple of hundred spins so time and spins will tell. We need lots of people testing ;)
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 03, 05:52 AM 2014
Hi Turner,
Ive been flat betting and always come out in front. It is because you get so many bets win on the first spin!!!
Only done a couple of hundred spins so time and spins will tell. We need lots of people testing ;)
Hi Sturrock,
Quite interesting selection process...
Since the max break in snooker is 147 - maybe you should call it "Snooker Roulette" or "The Maximum Break System"
:)
A.
Actually the maximum break at snooker is 155!
SAS
Hi Atlantis,
It actually isn't my system it is SAS's Im not that clever!!! I must admit your idea for names are much better than his! lol
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 05:44 AM 2014
SAS
This is same as a double doz bet isnt it?
0 10 32 29
10 = D1
32 = D3
29 = D3
1-3-3
Bet the dealer wont repeat
Bet D2/3
Whats the progression? 8-24-72 ?
Cant be flat bet on 1:2 odds
Which ever way you look at 24 numbers....its 1:2 odds
Turner
Of course you are right. It is a 1/2 bet so a progression would be nice. However if you use say 1-3-7
On the third bet you would be betting 8 houses x 7 chips on each! Scary!
I am happy to take 10 to 20 units by flat betting or the occasional double.
If you guys can come up with a staking plan of even a different way to play this I am all ears!
Maybe we could follow the SET making it a 4 chip bet and 2/1. I am much happier betting like that. Don't really like odds on shots and progressions.
In my example above we would have :
1
4
1
7
7
1
1
4
7
SAS
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 03, 06:23 AM 2014
Actually the maximum break at snooker is 155!
SAS
Yeah...but " The maximum break but not the 155 one which included a free ball" system isnt very catchy
:D
:)
:))))))
SAS
I will be playing at a couple of casinos this afternoon. I will record all spins, bets and then let's see what we can make of it.
Cheers!
SAS
Foolproof progression is probably the best, not so scary.......
Right Lads. I went to the casino earlier and it worked like a charm!
However there is a warning later on!
I couldn't find a table with 0 or new dealer so I decided to start after this sequence :
7-7-7
1-7-7 W
4-1-4 W
7-1-1 W
1-7-1 W
7-1-1 W
I must have been in the right place at the right time. I know it won't be like this all the time, but so far it's winning!
So I am 20 units up and I stop. I am determined to make this work. I know it works and I am gonna play it will iron discipline to take 10 to 20 units 5 days a week.
I carried on watching and recording but not betting.
Here are the results :
1-7-4 W
1-1-7 LW
7-1-7 W
1-7-7 W
4-4-7 W
4-7-0 LW
There could be some value in following the dominant SETS! Look how many 1's and 7's there are!
Now after 0 what do we do? Fortunately in this sequence 0 came after the win.
Do we carry on? Ignore it or start again?
Warning!
Look how many 1's and 7's there are. Do not chase a SET because it is 'expected!'
Later on from 6 lines of 3,that is 18 spins, there were only 2 x 1's.
Further proof not to chase a 'sleeper?'
On the way out stopped at the air wheel because 0 had just been spun.
Result
0
7-7-4
7-4-1 LW
No proof at all I know but interesting.
Still be very interested to hear your results and views.
Quote from: Chris555p on Jul 03, 07:04 AM 2014
Foolproof progression is probably the best, not so scary.......
Can you post some examples Chris?
4 losses in row will kill you happens more often then you think.
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 03, 11:25 AM 2014
Can you post some examples Chris?
I think Chris means this progression:
link:://betselection.cc/gambling-philosophy/fool-proof-progression/ (link:://betselection.cc/gambling-philosophy/fool-proof-progression/)
I am not sure about it though. But Chris can answer if I am right or not.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 03, 12:47 PM 2014
4 losses in row will kill you happens more often then you think.
First test, 4 L's on spins 16,17,18, & 19....
Maybe worth considering not betting until maybe 1 or 2 virtual losses, and stop if the following 2 are also losses and wait for another trigger??
Am testing this at the moment.
But I see an incredible amount of LW happening at the moment at DublinBet. All eating up my Fun BR
I will post example of foolproof variations progression later on.
For those interested in this great progression, see p 46 of attached link.
link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf (link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf)
Thanks Chris,
Am doing another test with the Foolproof Progression now.
It may be just what it needs, especially when the LW constantly hits
EDIT:
I have tested the same session with the Foolproof progression now and it goes downhill quick if I do that. Multiple losses after a row kills this.
Matrix has been studied to death they don't work lose 2 win one no advantage.
SamNl
Test it with the variation foolproof progression as described on p.46
That's what I tested it with Chris, the Foolproof Progression as described on P. 46
It tanked quite a bit with the session I had on DB.
Stop on 3 LLL's; Wait virtual win and then continue with foolproof variation;
That's the way I play it with excellent results.
Very cool system SAS. Well done.
Just tried it with 100 pounds chips on each house and made 1,200 pounds in less than 5 minutes. Played 3 times with a win on the first bet every try. 400+400+400 added to my BR.
I think the system is great but it needs a very good money management to go with it. I dont believe that a martingale 1-3-9 could work. It's the problem we had with Johnlegend systems. Eventually you will lose three progressions and when you do you will BUST! Too risky.
For now, it looks like flat betting, played hit and run, is very good because of the frequency of hits on the first win. But I'm sure it can still be improved. 2:1 bets are tricky for money management.
What's your staking plan so far?
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers O0
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 03, 05:52 AM 2014
Hi Turner,
Ive been flat betting and always come out in front. It is because you get so many bets win on the first spin!!!
Only done a couple of hundred spins so time and spins will tell. We need lots of people testing ;)
Sorry to be an old negative party pooper. Its just "3 dozen pattern wont repeat, bet the opposite DD"
Its the same mathematically. It wont perform any better.
check the pattern of 3 different sets of 12 then bet that pattern wont repeat.
4 losses happens more than you think....said Warrior. He knows. I know.....you dont seem to know. its obvious to me.
all groups of 12 are identical. 3 make 36. Thats it.
I agree with Turner too. It was the problem with JohnLegends matrixes system. They all end up busting, more often than you think. I've seen pattern of 6 or 7 repeat too. That's why it cannot be played martingale.
But the strike rate of this system seems very good and im sure with some kind of flat betting you can come out ahead. Need testing...
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 03:57 PM 2014
Sorry to be an old negative party pooper. Its just "3 dozen pattern wont repeat, bet the opposite DD"
Its the same mathematically. It wont perform any better.
check the pattern of 3 different sets of 12 then bet that pattern wont repeat.
4 losses happens more than you think....said Warrior. He knows. I know.....you dont seem to know. its obvious to me.
all groups of 12 are identical. 3 make 36. Thats it.
corals 30mins ago
ran along side flat/viles d/s worked fine.
Flats
d/s, num, dupa str
5 28 1
6 33 4
5 27 7 no bet
6 36 7
5 29 1
3 13 4 no bet
2T 9 7
5Win 30 1
6 32 4 no bet
6 32 4
1 1 1
1 5 4 bet 1/7
4 19 1 win
4 22 4
5 27 7 no bet
6 31 4
3T 14 4
3 win 14 4 bet 1/7
3 15 4 chiped up to 3 unit
5 29 1 win
5 29 1 bet 4/7
6 35 7 win
3 17 7
3 17 7 bet 1/4
1 4 4 win
Im glad you agree Stephen...
To be honest, there is no probability edge at all with these ideas. its only my view, but saying something that just happened wont happen again is asking for trouble. Its like a giant red button with a sign saying "dont touch the button" Some one will.
John Legend used to say "will trick random...will give random a task it isnt good at....will ask random to do something it cant"
Its fantasy.
Any how, people here are enjoying this post, and its irritating when some one like me just keeps saying "it wont work"
Its best to find out for yourself
Thanks for your input and your the testings fellow members. Much appreciated!
I am flat betting. I don't like progressions for the reasons you have alluded to. It will go bust eventually. I don't really like betting odds on, that is, 1/2.
I must be getting lucky because I am hitting a lot of first bets. 10 to 20 units is my goal.
What about if we made it a fifty/fifty bet and used Chris's foolproof progression?
We can split House 1. Incidentally House 1 is the only one to contain 2 red and 2 black!
We can use the 4 SET and add 10-11-12 and 28-29-30 to it. Bet is still easy to place because the first number is BLACK.
We can use the 7 SET and add 1-2-3 and 19-29-21 to it. Bet is still easy to place because the first number is RED.
Tried it on Betfair. Results went
4-7-4
7-7-4 W
4-4-4 W
7-4-7 W
4-4-7 W
7-7-4 W
4 7-4 W
No where near enough testing but may have potential.
I am more of a straight up bettor. Therefore I bow to your greater experience of this kind of bet. Any comments and suggestions greatly received and appreciated!
Cheers!
SAS
I like that you are flat betting. It makes sense and it is much less risky.
But I think I prefer 2:1 bets than 1:1. On the long run, the result will be the same. If you make the average of all your placed bets, with 2:1 you will win 2 bets our of 3, and with 1:1 every other bet. For me who likes to play hit and run I will reach my target faster with 2:1 than 1:1. I avoid being around when bad things go down!
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 03, 04:36 PM 2014
Thanks for your input and your the testings fellow members. Much appreciated!
I am flat betting. I don't like progressions for the reasons you have alluded to. It will go bust eventually. I don't really like betting odds on, that is, 1/2.
I must be getting lucky because I am hitting a lot of first bets. 10 to 20 units is my goal.
What about if we made it a fifty/fifty bet and used Chris's foolproof progression?
We can split House 1. Incidentally House 1 is the only one to contain 2 red and 2 black!
We can use the 4 SET and add 10-11-12 and 28-29-30 to it. Bet is still easy to place because the first number is BLACK.
We can use the 7 SET and add 1-2-3 and 19-29-21 to it. Bet is still easy to place because the first number is RED.
Tried it on Betfair. Results went
4-7-4
7-7-4 W
4-4-4 W
7-4-7 W
4-4-7 W
7-7-4 W
4 7-4 W
No where near enough testing but may have potential.
I am more of a straight up bettor. Therefore I bow to your greater experience of this kind of bet. Any comments and suggestions greatly received and appreciated!
Cheers!
SAS
SAS, may I ask you to give us more details on your sessions? Maybe you could post a few examples so we see how things unfold for you?
How many spins does it take you to reach 10 units? Whats the lowest (in terms of units) that you BR ever fell before you recovered? Do you have a stop loss?
Against, thanks for sharing. I like your system a lot. I think we can make it very nice but only if flat betting is used.
As I said I must be getting lucky or in the right place at the right time! I do seem to be hitting a lot of first bets!
I flat bet with the occasional double. Because of my House System experience I can make an 'educated' bet! (..don't ask!..)
I have never been in deep. I hit and run.
I will be going to the casino again tomorrow. I will post the numbers and my bets.
Thanks for your input.
SAS
Totally agree with SAS, it takes experience and practice to make educated bets
concerning the house system.
Below is a small sample as to how I play it with foolproof variation progression.
Like SAS I play hit and run, and aim for about 10 units per day.
Bet set no. Units Units W/L P/L
4/7 1u x8 W 12 U +4
1/7 1u x 8 L 8 u -8
1/7 2u x8 W 24 U +8
1 / 4 1ux8 W 12 u + 4
4/7 1u x 8 L 8 U -8
1/7 2u x 8 L 16U -16
1 / 4 3u x 8 W 36 +12
4/7 2u x 8 W 24U +8
4/7 2u x 8 W 24U +8
Total: + 12 U
Goal reached, stop playing.
Hello Chris,
Thanks for sharing you playing style. I like your progression, especially due to the fact that you manage to recover even after two consecutive losses. On top of that, you make a great profit with 6 Wins and 3 Losses, which is exactly what we need with these kind of odds. And 12 units out of 9 spins only is a super successful session in my opinion.
Can you please clarify to us the rules of your progression ? I understand the main concept (+1 on a loss and -1 on the next win), but the only question I have is why you stayed at 2units on the last bet of your session although you were in profit? Can you tell me why ?
Thanks for helping.
Cheers
Quote from: Chris555p on Jul 03, 05:57 PM 2014
Totally agree with SAS, it takes experience and practice to make educated bets
concerning the house system.
Below is a small sample as to how I play it with foolproof variation progression.
Like SAS I play hit and run, and aim for about 10 units per day.
Bet set no. Units Units W/L P/L
4/7 1u x8 W 12 U +4
1/7 1u x 8 L 8 u -8
1/7 2u x8 W 24 U +8
1 / 4 1ux8 W 12 u + 4
4/7 1u x 8 L 8 U -8
1/7 2u x 8 L 16U -16
1 / 4 3u x 8 W 36 +12
4/7 2u x 8 W 24U +8
4/7 2u x 8 W 24U +8
Total: + 12 U
Goal reached, stop playing.
Thanks SAS, it's much appreciated. I may try the system in real play tomorrow. If I do Ill give you my results too.
Cheers.
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 03, 05:10 PM 2014
As I said I must be getting lucky or in the right place at the right time! I do seem to be hitting a lot of first bets!
I flat bet with the occasional double. Because of my House System experience I can make an 'educated' bet! (..don't ask!..)
I have never been in deep. I hit and run.
I will be going to the casino again tomorrow. I will post the numbers and my bets.
Thanks for your input.
SAS
Hi Steven
The reason as to why I stay at 2 units even though I won is explained
in detail at p.46 of the attached link. With Foolproof variation progression
even with a hit rate of about 35% we are still in profit.....
link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf (link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf)
I explored this method here link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13716.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13716.0). I had never seen this before and am glad to see it explained in a different way to solidify my thoughts. It is very solid in the testing I have done on the money-management aspect of all this.
Just a quick update.
I will be visiting the casino later this afternoon. I will post the results later.
After a very successful test this morning on DB where I reached a high of plus 64 units, I will be playing every spin after the 'trigger' using Chris's foolproof progression.
I will be starting on 2 units.
Good luck!
SAS
Here is the results of practice mode run at Betfair Live Casino betting every spin using Chris's foolproof progression. Not for real money. Just familiarising myself with the progression
1-1-1
4-4-1 WWL
4-1-7 LWW
4-4-1 LWW
4-1-1 LWL
7-7-7 WWW
Despite the dealer starting 3 of the 5 betting lines with SET 4 I still won!
W2 +8
W1 +12 could have stopped here!
L1 +4
L2 -12
W3 level
W2 +8
L2 -8...told you to stop! Idiot!
W3 +4
W2 +12 goal reached -again- would have stopped for real money!
L2 -4 see it's best to stop!!
W3 +8 stop!!
L2 -8 told you to stop!!
W3 +4
W2 +16......stop....oh!....go on then......one more to finish the line!
W2 +24
Won : 10
Lost : 5
At odds of 1:2 should be level. Even Steven. Levels you devils?
But, thanks to Chris' foolproof progression ending up plus 24 units! How powerful is that!!
Of course I would have stopped much earlier during the session.
There is nothing worse than getting in front then giving it back. Makes you feel sick!
Anyway this appears to be working - for now!
Keep testing and keep commenting!
Good luck!
SAS
Results from b&m casino.
This would make an interesting bot SAS.
Well. I went to the casino but there is not much to report!
I won 16 units in the first three spins and cashed in!
Either I am in the right place at the right time or this REALLY works!
It IS random. The dealer has to repeat the previous pattern the moment I sit down to play. Plus the SET numbers which we are using have their roots in the house system which is like no other!
It is COMPLETE random!
I know there are posters on here who will insist it's just 24 numbers against another 12.
Maybe so - but it's winning!
Anyway here is the record -
I was fortunate because as I readied myself and sat down to play the dealer spun 0. Timing or random? Who cares!
Recorded the first three spins :
1-4-1
4-7-4
First bet 2 chips on SETS 4-7. Won. + 8
Second bet 1 chip on SETS 1-7. Won. +12
Third bet 1 chip on SETS 4-7. Won. + 16
Goal achieved! Cash in!
Rest of the numbers while I watched. No bets.
4-1-1 LWW
1-4-1 WWL
7-1-1 WWL
7-7-1 LWL
4-1-1 WWL
Good luck!
SAS
Tested the bad session from yesterday again.
This time not stopping after a win but playing like SAS is doing now.
Goal is to win 10 units.
Playing with the Foolproof Progression I now hit that goal.
Going to continue my test at DB.
Played another 4 sessions just now on DB with my goal of 10 units per Table.
Won +12 at each table with relative ease with the Foolproof Progression.
Highest unit was 2.
Hi SamNL
Would you mind showing how you did this with the foolproof method. I have only just read the method and I am not very mathematical. Truth is I have always struggled with it. I understand the concept just would like to see visually how you applied the method to the SDRSB (abbreviated the system for ease).
Would be very much appreciated. Understand if you can't.
Thanks RB
Have not tried this method yet, but I will very soon. I think you have " hit on ' to something really worthwhile with this SAS. Thank you for sharing with us ! Ross.
Quote from: steven1212 on Jul 03, 03:57 PM 2014
Very cool system SAS. Well done.
Just tried it with 100 pounds chips on each house and made 1,200 pounds in less than 5 minutes. Played 3 times with a win on the first bet every try. 400+400+400 added to my BR.
I think the system is great but it needs a very good money management to go with it. I dont believe that a martingale 1-3-9 could work. It's the problem we had with Johnlegend systems. Eventually you will lose three progressions and when you do you will BUST! Too risky.
For now, it looks like flat betting, played hit and run, is very good because of the frequency of hits on the first win. But I'm sure it can still be improved. 2:1 bets are tricky for money management.
What's your staking plan so far?
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers O0
WHAT YOU SAY STEVEN, I AGREE WITH ALL OF IT. Ross.
Another bad session for me if betting every spin....
1 1 7
1 1 7 lll
1 7 7 lwl
1 1 1 lww
1 x x l stopped after the l at 1
Although, I do think there is something workable with this system, I’m going to look a trigger of not betting until you have either 2 losses in a row, or, 2 out of the 3 are losses (you could even wait for 3 in a row or 3 out of 4, could be a long wait though!), if you lose the bet wait for another trigger. Target is +8 units, game won when you have reached your target, or, lost when you have had 3 betting losses. Flat bet for 5 bets, if after the 5 bets you are minus, and haven’t had 3 losses, move up to2 units per bet until you reach your target, or, you reach the 3 betting losses, you could also move back to 1 unit betting if you get your BR back in the positive....
My thinking behind this is win 3 games out of 4 and you should be at least +4 units, 24 from 3 wins, and a maximum loss of 20 from the lost game. Not a great return, however, requires less of a BR and the bets don’t get to out of hand which suits my low risk approach, just the thought of 8 units per bet makes me sweat :), over a 100 games this could net you at least 300 units.
Just my thought on this system, any feedback welcome....
Hi J,
You were really unlucky to run into that sequence. It hasn't happened to me - yet! But it's only a matter of time I am sure!
If you are patient I am sure your interpretation will pay dividends and like you I am not one for risking too much of my BR!
I think there are a number of ways to play this and win.
I had a thought of playing the two dominant SETS with foolproof progression.
In your example above you would have made a killing, but there again how to pick up the trend early enough!?
SAS
Playing after 2 L's might help or maybe use simplified GLAT progression (for 2 doz):
Quote
W end set at +. Bet next set at same unit size.
LL end set. Bet next set at +1 unit to current bet sizes.
LWW end set at even. Bet next set at same unit sizes.
LWL end set. Bet next set at +1 unit to current bet sizes.
I was using that with a 2 doz system.
Problem always happens when you have to recover due to going down quite a few units because of stuff like this; which happened to me not long ago on SmartLive:
0
0
L
0
L
0
L
L
But I agree this system is promising with correct money management.
A.
Played this system last night, with foolproof variation progression at my local
BM and I made 10 units profit very easily.
Then changed table restart all over again and 10 more units for 2nd session.
Wash, rinse and repeat at antoher table and again another 10 units for 3rd session.
30 units profit very easily made. What more can we want.....?? Thanks SAS for sharing
this great and very easy system.
Yesterday I had 6 losses after each other. The BR that was required with the Foolproof progression with that session would be around 1000-1500. Way too much for my liking. I stopped after some time but if I played on I think I could have recovered with the Foolproof progression but the BR that was required is just way too much.
This system can work really good but when disaster strikes it's just too hard to recover and the BR that is needed is too high in that case.
I'll try to post my session when I can.
Sam,
Try waiting for 9 spins then bet the 2 dominant houses.
What is your trigger? I like to play after 777, 111, or 444.
Also with a new dealer or after 0.
I haven't encountered any problems with a bad run at all. But I know it's just around the corner......so I am making hay while the sun shines!
Well done Chris. That's the way to play it - with iron discipline!
SAS
@ SAS yes thanks; I think if we switch table after a few wins we can play
for longtime; we can increase our win goals / target very easily; Even
when we do get hit with LLL's, the profit we have already made will far offset the
losses.....anyway; and Foolproof variation progression will put us at new br high
very quickly.
Hi Chris!
After looking at Jimmie's and Sam's disastrous run of numbers or SETS let's see if we can turn this round to make it a 2:1 bet.
I am not really happy betting odds on with a lot of progression and I know it's only time till my good fortune runs out!
Instead of betting AGAINST the dealer at 1:2
Let's bet WITH the dealer at 2:1
Same numbers - same SETS.
The grand pattern over 9 spins should look something like this :
1-4-4
4-1-7
7-1-7
...or in any combination of 3 x 1 - 3 x 4 and 3 x 7. Agreed?
But we know this is unlikely to happen if we keep refreshing the 9 spins.
So. Let us bet the dominant SET @ 2/1 with foolproof over the next 9 spins.
Here is an actual example from Betfair Live Casino just now :
Wait 9 spins
1-7-4
1-1-1
4-7-7
The dominant SET is 1. So we bet SET 1 with 1 chip.
1 comes in and we profit 8 chips.
No more bets because we won first spin.
Next 2 spins are 7's
Now our up to date 9 looks like this
1-1-1
4-7-7
1-7-7
Now the dominant SETS are 4 and 7 with 4 hits each. We can either bet the two SETS, or as I did bet one of them. I chose 7 and lost. You know it don't you?
1 came in!
So now profit is +4.
I carry on with SET 7 and bet 1 chip again. We win! Now we are + 12. No more bets for that line. Next number is 4
So next 9 looks like this :
4-7-7
1-7-7
1-7-4
Dominant SET is still 7 so we bet 7 again with 1 chip and bingo! It goes in again! Now we are +20. No more bets for that line which end up with 1-4
So, our refreshed 9 looks like this :
1-7-7
1-7-4
7-1-4
Although target has been reached I carried on to see what would happen. I bet 7 again as it was dominant.
Next 3 numbers were 1-1-1
I bet I chip on the first 2 losses and 2 chips on the third loss. Now we are +4
Next bet is 2 chips and bang! In goes 7 for a juicy 16 chip profit making +20 again.
It is again a hit and run strategy. By the time the missing SETS catch up we will be gone!!
Have a play around with it. Does not eat into the BR as much and I would rather bets 2:1 rather rather than 1:2 and I would rather be betting what is happening instead of what is not happening!
That's the beauty of these threads and all the input. Very often a better way of playing comes from them?
Anyway. Keep testing and keep discussing!
Good luck!
SAS
If I haven't explained it properly let me know?
Hi SAS,
Thanks for sharing your new way to play this.
I will test this and report my progress.
Quote from: Chris555p on Jul 03, 08:57 PM 2014
Hi Steven
The reason as to why I stay at 2 units even though I won is explained
in detail at p.46 of the attached link. With Foolproof variation progression
even with a hit rate of about 35% we are still in profit.....
link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf (link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf)
Thank you for sharing this document Chris. Can it really help you win 1,000 per day playing crap "guaranteed" like advertised in the title? Or is it just one more scam with a few lessons to learn as far as money management is concerned?
Cheers
Hi SAS
I think it is a very good idea to test the system by playing one set only as u have
described. Will test it and give my conclusion.
Cheers
Chris
Hi Steven
My goal is not to win 1,000 $ per day; However, I have been using the revised
foolproof prgression for about a year and it has never let me down. I have won
more than 1,000 units with it at my local BM.
Cheers
Chris
UPDATE!
Use the last three lines as described above and play the dominant SET for the next TWO lines.
Then use the last 3 lines to play the next two lines and so on using foolproof progression.
Thus :
7-7-7
7-4-1
1-4-7
Dominant SET is 7. Play for the next 2 lines. Stop at a winner.
4-7-1+ 4
4-4-7
Now play the last 3 lines which is :
1-4-7
4-7-1
4-4-7
4 is the new dominant SET. Play for 2 more lines and keep updating. Stop at a winner.
1-4-1 + 4
4-1-7
Next 3 lines would be :
4-4-7
1-4-1
4-1-7
Win goal 12/16 easily achieved without any deep inroads into BR.
Good luck!
SAS
Hi SAS,
Here is my session played live at SmartLive Dealer. I used GLAT progression for single doz.
4-1-7
7-4-1
7-7-4 +0 now bet on #7 @ 1u
1-4-4 L(0)LLL -16 now bet on #4 @ 1u
1-4-1 LW -12 now bet on #4 @ 2u
7-1-7 LLL -36 stop bets until clear qualifier
7-7-4 -36 now bet on #7 @ 2u
1-4-7 LLW -36 now bet on #7 @ 2u
7-4-4 W -20 stop bets until clear qualifier
1-7-1 -20 stop bets until clear qualifier
7-7-7 -20 now bet on #7 @ 2u
1-1-7 LLW -20 now bet on 7 @ 2u
1-4-4 LLL -44 now bet on 7 @ 2u
7-1-4 W -28 now bet on 1 @ 3u
1-4-4 W -4 now bet on 4 @ 3u
7-4-4 LW +8 now bet on 4 @ 1u
1-4-4 LW +12 STOP
Regards,
A.
Well done Atlantis!
Nice to see you in profit - eventually!
There are a number of ways to play this. Whichever way you choose, the very best of luck to you ALL!
SAS
Hi Atlantis, can you give me the GLAT progression again? I've done a search, but it doesn't seem to be on here.
Cheers.
Hi guys back to test now
First Game Smart Live real dealer
1-4-1
7-1-4
4-1-1 Dominant is 1 bet 1
1-1-4 wins first spin
1-7-4
4-1-1 Dominant is 1 bet 1
1-7-7 WIN again first spin
4-1-4
7-1-4 3 on each now going that 7 does not repeat bet 1&4
7- Win What can I say STOP till tomorrow!!!!!!
How is any body doing with this?? :question:
OK just played on Smartlive Air Ball went as follows with foolproof progression
7-4-7
4-4-1 W L W
7-1-1 W W L
7-4-7 L W W
1- W 12 UNITS UP STOP! :thumbsup:
For me it is doing great; I play it everyday at my local BM,
with foolproof varaition progression and I make easily about
36 units per day, playing 3 sessions per day.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jul 06, 04:49 PM 2014
Hi Atlantis, can you give me the GLAT progression again? I've done a search, but it doesn't seem to be on here.
Cheers.
Here you go + example with some long L streaks... betting 1 doz
The GLAT system single doz (or 2 lines or 4 streets)
=============
Each line I will call a set of W/L's.
1. W Ends set. If at a new profit, reset to 1 unit else stay at same bet size and start a new set.
2. LW Ends Set. If at a new profit, reset to 1 unit else stay at same bet size and start a new set.
3. LLW Ends set. Neutral set. No bet size change. Start a new set.
4. LLLW Ends set. -1 Very small loss, so start a new set at same bet size.
5. LLLLW Ends set. -2 Getting into losses, so play next set at +1 unit added to bet size.
6. LLLLL...W The 1st W ends set. Number of L's = 5 or more. This will keep bet sizes from escalating when we hit our sleeping dozen. As soon as we have a Win it ends this set and we increase our bet size by +1 unit for next set.
These 6 sets should cover every possibility. Sets 1 & 2 are our winning sets.
If you find yourself betting a large bet size and you have a few wins in a row, you might consider decreasing your bet size but not all the way back to 1 rather than staying at the same level just in case you're about to go into another losing series.
Remember, Risk vs Reward. Decision time.
LLLLLLLLW -6 UP TO 2U
LLLLLW -12 UP TO 3U
LW -9 STAY AT 3U
LLW -9 STAY AT 3U
LLW -9 STAY AT 3U
LW -6 STAY AT 3U
LLLLW -12 UP TO 4U
W -4 STAY AT 4U
W +4 RESET TO 1U
LW +5 STAY AT 1U
LW +6 STAY AT 1U
LLLLLLW +2 UP TO 2U
LLLLW -2 UP TO 3U
LLW -2 STAY AT 3U
LLLW -5 STAY AT 3U
W +1 STAY AT 3U
LLLLW -5 UP TO 4U
LLLLW -13 UP TO 5U
W -3 STAY AT 5U
LW +2 STAY AT 5U
W +12 RESET TO 1U
LLLLW +10 UP TO 2U
LLW +10 STAY AT 2U
LLW +10 STAY AT 2U
LW +12 RESET TO 1U
LLLLLW +9 UP TO 2U
W +13 [STOPPED HERE]
+13 profit.
A.
I am glad it is going well Chris. It is for me to! It seems all to good to be true. Maybe this is some thing great! ;)
Just had a bit of a nightmare run on DB but made a profit in the end using the foolproof method and doubling up a couple of bets. (Which won) so a little false. But still won :twisted:
1-1-4
7-1-4 WLL
7-1-4 LLL
1-4-4 WWL
7-4-4 WLL
7-7-1 LWW
7-4-7 LWW
1-7-7 WWL
7-4-4 WWW
1-4-4 WLL
1-7-1 LWW
1-4-4 LWW 24 UNITS UP :)
Thanks Atlantis. :thumbsup:
Without Question This IS the best system on the forum!!!!!! :thumbsup:
Hi all -- Thanks to all for contributions so far.
I have done some analysis on Luckyfella's excel sheet that he posted at the bottom of page 3 and tried to improve the bet selection.
Using the last 9 pattern , I looked at the most dominant , middle and coldest houses of the previous 9 to see which had the most hits in the following line ( 3 spins , pattern 10,11 & 12 ) and it was the coldest by approx. 20%. Now to my inexperienced logic this makes sense as random will surely want to try to get to parity with the 3 houses over a period of time and conversely if a house has been dominant over a period of spins ( in this case 9 ) why should we expect this to continue any more than the coldest trying to catch up ?
I am still fairly inexperienced with roulette so I may be talking total hogwash so would appreciate other opinions on this.
I did not analyse the whole excel sheet as it does take some time to do this by pen and paper and of course over a longer period any other result is possible.
Just throwing it out there trying to improve things.
Cheers.
Is everybody doing well? Personally I busted a 2k bankroll in fun mode playing with 10 chips. I did well for a while. Then one morning logged in and busted in the first 15 spins I played. I guess this needs a stop loss because if you hit a bad run the foolproof prog will destroy your bankroll just like the martingale.
I didn't save the numbers to explain what happened because I was too annoyed to get these bad results but my progression escalated to 120 before I could stabilize. Then I started to win a bit and another bad run came and at this level it busted pretty quickly.
I'm sad because I had hope in this profession for a new 2:1 system I'm developing.
Any comments?
Cheers
Hi steven1212
I wonder what your session would of turned out like if you used the "wait for a virtual win" after a loss? I know SAS does not agree with it But it will stop you having a run of losses in a row! Can you remember how many losses you did have in a row???
Sturock it would not have changed anything in the long run. I maybe wouldn't have busted on that exact session but maybe this means I would have on the previous one or the next one. You are talking to me about vet selection and like I've said this is irrelevant. I am not saying one should not have a good bet selection. On the contrary. But since John legend arrived on this forum he has set a great "pattern" trend for bet selection which has been improved to get better and better over time by all the users. As of now I agree that SAS has the best idea. However this means nothing without a good money management to go with.
What bothered me here is not that the bet selection failed, because it didn't really. The bigger problem is that the foolproof progression failed me. Do you see what I mean?
I strongly advise everyone to stop obsessing about bet selection. We already have great systems on this forum to limit the losing streaks and get an small advantage. But if we don't figure out a way to manage our money, on the long term, Random will always catch up and bite you you know where....
Cheers to that
SAS best selection is excellent; JL idea is also excellent; We only need to combine these
two minds; This is what I have been doing for a while and it works perfectly for me. Never had the
horrible LLLLLL's; and I play everday at my local BM, winning every day, no ifs, whens, or buts......
Hi steven1212
maybe you misunderstood me. I am using the foolproof progression together with "after a loss" I wait for a virtual win to happen then start playing again, So you never get LLLLLLLL in a row :thumbsup:
First rule for roulette players. Ban the word never from your vocabulary... And your mind...
OK then You will NEVER beat roulette!!!! Only Joking >:D
Paddy Power RNG
12- 1
17- 7
3- 1 bet 7/4
-------
13- 4 w
9 - 7
0 - 0 no bet for me
-------
9 - 7
3 - 1
26- 7 bet 1/4
-------
21- 1 W
16- 7
4 - 4 no bet
-------
12-1
7 - 7
30- 1 bet 7/4
--------
36- 7 W
27- 7
3 - 1 bet 4/1
--------
2 - 1 W
20-1
5 - 4 bet 4/7
---------
34-7 W
29-1
26-7 bet 1/4
--------
25-7 L
14-4
14-4 bet 7/1
----------
19-1 W
20-1
11-1 bet 4/7
---------
22-4 W
20-1 end.
good result,but need to do some more. Even VILES MMSIP would win
Can you or anyone make a video on a online simulator on how this is done? I can't make any sense of this just by reading it I would need to see it in action
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 03, 03:31 AM 2014
Hi ALL,
This bet has been inspired by Ignatus and his 50/50 street bet and John Legend's Pattern Buster. Thanks to them!
Combined with the numbers from my House System, this bet is super random!
What is it?
It's a bet on 8 streets.
How do we play?
First you must learn the three SETS.
SET 1
These are streets :
1-2-3
10-11-12
19-20-21
28-29-30
For those who know my house system the first numbers will be familiar. They all reduce to : 1
This makes the bet easy to place.
SET 4 - why 4? Because the first numbers reduce to 4. Thus :
4-5-6
13-14-15
22-23-24
31-32-33
Remember these are STREETS!
SET 7
7-8-9
16-17-18
25-26-27
34-35-36
Again the first numbers reduce to 7 making the bet easy to place.
If you look down the layout you will see that
1
4
7
Repeat themselves another three times thus :
10
13
16
19
22
25
And finally
28
31
34
When reduced to a single digit it is just 1-4-7
And this is what we are going to bet on.
So how do we bet?
We bet after three spins and after reducing the numbers to a single digit as per the SETS described above.
Example from Betfair Live Casino this morning
0
10
32
29
27
35
1
29
4
16
I like to start my 'game' after a 0 or with a new dealer. But that's just me. You can start anywhere and the bet is struck after only three spins! No long waiting times for the 'trigger!'
So, after 0 - number 10 was spun. We know that this is in SET 1. We put 1 on a card thus :
1-
Next number spun was 32. We know that this is in SET 4. We put 4 on a card along side the 1:
1-4
Next number spun was 29. We know that this is again in SET 1. We put 1 alongside the other 2 numbers on the card thus :
1-4-1
Now we bet!
What is the bet? We are betting that the dealer cannot repeat this pattern. So our bet is on 8 STREETS using SETS 4 and 7
27 which is in SET 7 comes in and we win 4 units. If I win the first bet in the line I stop - although the second bet would have won also - and wait for another three spins.
So the above sequence would look like this on your card :
1-4-1
7-7-1 W
1-4-7 W actually all three would have won!
Win goal is between 10 and 20 units. I have been achieving this very easily! In fact I have never lost! Admittedly I have only been playing for a few hundreds spins but I reckon if you are patient and content to accept small gains - this is unbeatable.
There are probably other ways to play it. For instance in the first line of the example after the 1 we know we would be betting 4 and 7. We could take a guess and bet just four chips on one or the other.
I would be very interested to hear any suggestions and comments regarding the above which I hope I have explained properly!
Good luck!
SAS
are you all winning? no more news here... ;D
Yes still winning using foolproof progression (Thanks Chris555P) I am lucky never had more than 4 losses in a row Sometimes 3, mostly hits first spin. Just did a 33 spin session and the most losses were 2 in a row, and that was only once! Today on William Hill using live dealers and air-ball (kept swopping tables) gave it a really good test and won 152 units @ 0.50pence starting bets (Real Money) So up £76 :thumbsup: Any update from anybody else?
How is it going with you SAS? I think we all owe you-one ;)
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 16, 11:51 AM 2014
Yes still winning using foolproof progression (Thanks Chris555P) I am lucky never had more than 4 losses in a row Sometimes 3, mostly hits first spin. Just did a 33 spin session and the most losses were 2 in a row, and that was only once! Today on William Hill using live dealers and air-ball (kept swopping tables) gave it a really good test and won 152 units @ 0.50pence starting bets (Real Money) So up £76 :thumbsup: Any update from anybody else?
Hi sturrock,
Do u play continuously or do u play with VW after L?
The last time I tried this on DB I had 6 losses after each other and just couldn't recover.
Hi Sam,
I did play after a loss with a VW but it was very slow.
I don't play every spin e.g.
If we get the first 3 out as say
1 4 7 I then bet against 1 coming in (4&7) so if we win on the first spin I wait for another
7 4 1 line I will the bet against house 7 (4&1) Now if we loose I move up and bet against
7 7 4 coming in (1&7) and if we win we carry on to make another line and you will bet against 7 coming in etc.
I hope you understand, and I hope I am playing the correct way as SAS says If I'm not its still wining :thumbsup:
Hi sturrock,
I played it this way but the last time I played like this I got 6 L after each other and I couldn't recover after that.
Hi Sam
Just cut ur losses after LLL's; and restart afterwards; This is why it's called gambling
not money harvesting.....
After years of playing, I don't know any system which wins continiously.
You are creating a dominant dozen by the 1-4-7 idea.
if we turn the last spins ....34 13 1 31 4 7 14 34 into streets, we have this
12, 5, 1, 11, 2, 3, 5, 12,
You will "always" get a dozen that has hit 4 times....sometime more.
In this case... 12,5,1,11 is a Dozen which has hit 4 times in 4 spins.
1,3,4,1,4,7,1,8 is the dozen 1,3,4,7 which has hit 7 times.
Now...if the wheel is continuously giving rare events, do you go with the DOZ...or against the DOZ? That's the question.
These dozens are happening "now" ...."all the time"
Saying " 34 13 1 31" is a dozen hitting 4 times if the dozen is 1 2 3 13 14 15 31 32 33 34 35 36 is no different than saying "1,3,9,1" is dozen 1 hitting 4 times.
Worth thinking about I think.
Sturrock, if i understood correctly, you continue betting after a loss in a pattern. But if the whole pattern loses (two identical patterns in a row) you wait for a win to start again?
For example:
1-4-1 Bet against 1.
1-7-4 L, bet against 4, w. Now bet against 1 again
1-7-4 L, L ,L... wait for a virtual win now
7-4-7 virtual win with the first 7, now bet against 7
....
Did i get this right?
Quote from: cheEsteban on Jul 16, 05:28 PM 2014
Sturrock, if i understood correctly, you continue betting after a loss in a pattern. But if the whole pattern loses (two identical patterns in a row) you wait for a win to start again?
For example:
1-4-1 Bet against 1.
1-7-4 L, bet against 4, w. Now bet against 1 again
1-7-4 L, L ,L... wait for a virtual win now
7-4-7 virtual win with the first 7, now bet against 7
....
No I dont wait for a virtual win any more but you can do properly safer
Did i get this right?
Just went BANG!!!! >:(
7-4-4
7-4-4
7-4-4
7-4-4
7
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 19, 04:15 AM 2014
Just went BANG!!!! >:(
7-4-4
7-4-4
7-4-4
7-4-4
7
Thats the rent you have to pay the casino I guess
I think dealers / random can reproduce any pattern we least expect;
Best is to just play hit / run....; After 2 LL's accept our loss
and come back when playing 24 nos.....; or play 18 nos instead
of 24 nos as it is easier to recover LLLLL's.... with the correct progression.
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 19, 04:15 AM 2014
Just went BANG!!!! >:(
Thats because it is a
"hope it wont happen" system
Hope has no place in a roulette system
You need a premise. My current premise is
"the wheel is producing rare events all the time"be that wrong or right, I am playing and testing on that basis.
"The dealer will find it hard to repeat it" isn't a premise. Its a guess with no substance
so is
"give random something it will find hard to do".......more rubbish based on hope.
That was my first loss with this system in What 3 weeks I am well up overall. So it was just the "Rent" I had to pay to the casino >:( As Chris555p says the way to play this after LL orLLL stop start again!!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 19, 08:32 AM 2014
That was my first loss with this system in What 3 weeks I am well up overall. So it was just the "Rent" I had to pay to the casino >:( As Chris555p says the way to play this after LL orLLL stop start again!!! :thumbsup:
I haven't looked at this since a progression was added but I'd suggest anybody to look at Superman's Signature =
You know a method is cr@p when the author says things like, wait for 2 virtual losses/wins this tells us during development they had bad runs, spot the signals people! O0
Hi Ddarko
Where is this Superman's Signature :question:
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 19, 09:27 AM 2014
Hi Ddarko
Where is this Superman's Signature :question:
I've quoted it in black above ;)
O0
Thank You :thumbsup:
Sturrock,
You gave too many virtual wins away! This was certainly not advised in the original posting.
Turner,
Because the wheel is a mechanical piece of apparatus with the numbers in a fixed position, I believe it produces patterns that can be picked upon.
I have stated on more than one occasion in this thread that I am not happy betting 1:2. ....and I am not too keen on progressions either!
I put the 'method' up as a combination of ideas. Play it - don't play it.
Its the players money and it's up to the players if they think it suits them.
All fail in the end because mathematically roulette is an unfair game!
SAS
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 19, 01:03 PM 2014
Turner,
Because the wheel is a mechanical piece of apparatus with the numbers in a fixed position, I believe it produces patterns that can be picked upon.
I have stated on more than one occasion in this thread that I am not happy betting 1:2. ....and I am not too keen on progressions either!
I put the 'method' up as a combination of ideas. Play it - don't play it.
Its the players money and it's up to the players if they think it suits them.
All fail in the end because mathematically roulette is an unfair game!
SAS
Well...that's the beauty of opinion....we can all have them...me included
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 19, 01:03 PM 2014
All fail in the end because mathematically roulette is an unfair game!
So why suggest ANY method/system if it's always going to fail ?
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Jul 19, 03:34 PM 2014
So why suggest ANY method/system if it's always going to fail ?
O0
Oh! OK then. Thanks!
It will save me typing out and passing on another variation I have developed which hasn't failed after thousands of spins.
Good luck!
SAS
Hi SAS
After you posted about the VW i didn't use it. If I had of used it today I would not of bombed. (I think) I still think your system is the best on the forum, and over all I am still ahead by a long way..Like I said you have to pay the Devil >:D I am still carrying on using Supa Dupa but with a stop loss now. I have already got more than half the loss back!! Hopefully tomorrow will have fully recovered. we will see. :thumbsup:
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 19, 04:06 PM 2014
Oh! OK then. Thanks!
It will save me typing out and passing on another variation I have developed which hasn't failed after thousands of spins.
Good luck!
SAS
not much of an answer to my original question :(
I will leave you to it & stop posting reasonable questions that you don't like to answer, reasonably......
O0
:thumbsup:
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 19, 01:03 PM 2014
Sturrock,
You gave too many virtual wins away! This was certainly not advised in the original posting.
Turner,
Because the wheel is a mechanical piece of apparatus with the numbers in a fixed position, I believe it produces patterns that can be picked upon.
I have stated on more than one occasion in this thread that I am not happy betting 1:2. ....and I am not too keen on progressions either!
I put the 'method' up as a combination of ideas. Play it - don't play it.
Its the players money and it's up to the players if they think it suits them.
All fail in the end because mathematically roulette is an unfair game!
SAS
SAS I am not Turner :thumbsup:
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 20, 04:31 AM 2014
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 19, 01:03 PM 2014
Sturrock,
You gave too many virtual wins away! This was certainly not advised in the original posting.
Turner,
Because the wheel is a mechanical piece of apparatus with the numbers in a fixed position, I believe it produces patterns that can be picked upon.
I have stated on more than one occasion in this thread that I am not happy betting 1:2. ....and I am not too keen on progressions either!
I put the 'method' up as a combination of ideas. Play it - don't play it.
Its the players money and it's up to the players if they think it suits them.
All fail in the end because mathematically roulette is an unfair game!
SAS
Thanks SAS for sending me the update for Supa Dupa in PM It cant fail!!!!!!
Can somebody sent me the update for Supa Dupa to me in PM?
I would like to try it out too.
Quote from: sturrock on Jul 20, 04:37 AM 2014
Thanks SAS for sending me the update for Supa Dupa in PM It cant fail!!!!!!
Hi sturrock,
What do you mean - it can't fail?
Even SAS has quoted that they all fail in the end...! :)
Anyhow - like Sam would appreciate the updated way.
Thanks,
A.
Its is going to be tested first before it is let loose.
any news on test sturrock.
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 19, 04:06 PM 2014
Oh! OK then. Thanks!
It will save me typing out and passing on another variation I have developed which hasn't failed after thousands of spins.
Good luck!
SAS
It must be a really good system. No news from you & sturrock for days, although you login regularly.
Enjoy your profits guys and let the rest wondering!!!
roufor69
think the next version is 1-5-6 long runs
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 29, 11:08 AM 2014
roufor69
think the next version is 1-5-6 long runs
Thanks hammer!
Doesn't seem to me like a system that 'can't lose'. Made a short test-live & 50000 RNG-with negative results. Many non-consecutive 156, much more than wins.
i dont think they play 1-5-6.
it loses big time on my first 2 attempts.
ROUFOR
used supa today in betting shop had 50 spins,won,most came in first bet, only one took four spins.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 30, 05:28 PM 2014
ROUFOR
used supa today in betting shop
that was RNG then right ?
O0
correct.
19-1
11-1
13-4
35-7
21-1
14-4
6-4
31-4
31-4
25-7
20-1
26-7
0-0
25-7
7-7
19-1
11-1
5-4
25-7
34-7
9-7
31-4
13-4
5-4
3-1
1-1
31-4
12-1
35-7
10-1
36-7
9-7
25-7
25-7
1-1
33-4
16-7
32-4
4-4
7-7
25-7
17-7
23-4
21-1
20-1
3-1
18-7
22-4
8-7
23-4
when playing rng you can see (or feel the bet is going to run for a bit,by looking how the progression would have gone).Take 31, 9th spin last of three 4's.next 3 spins gives bet 1/4 and next 3 spins the 1/4 dont come,so look back and count the 4's prog and the next 2 spins is its last chance of coming with 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128,as max bet in shop is £100, if dont come in now is a good time to bet only for 4's, so far only seen a street miss for 12 spins and 8 already gone.
about those rng
most of my roulette is rng and can see why Ausguy is so anti- rng,we know its a program even when machine says at start this game is random,Bo--ocks is it.
those above numbers, 1 got 14, 4 got 16,7got 19 and dear old zero one.
Now what about MMSIP, how would the balance of d/s look there.
Off track now on smart live 28/7/14 when looking at there stats of last 185 spins, zero that day must have hit 18 times or at least more than its fair share,but take 30/7/14 about 4 zero all day, but if we look at say a weeks worth of spins then perhaps distribution is more even.
But the dear old rng in the shop is to balanced, take the 7's from above is it your head telling you to back 7's as they are hitting and if you do,you know what happens the other two1-4 get busy and the machine has caught you out.
Now asked Dane with one of those fancy formulas how many numbers could hit in 30 spins and the answer was about 15. well those 50 spins after the first 10 spins with one repeat num 31. the next 30 spins you got 17 more numbers hit,if you keep track of the machines numbers it's always close to that number of 15. So what we need is a way of knowing which 15 are going to hit after the 10 spins, a crystal ball might be helpful(joke). ANY IDEAS ?
Oh sorry if i've rambled on.
Hammer - Try this - make your well reasoned picks & then bet opposite to them or as near to as you can. This banks on the logic of the opposite to losing is winning.
Why donate your money to RNG ? Why not play live dealer ? B & M &/or on line ?
I test this system too!!!BROKEN AGAIN!
NOT 100% WINNING SYSTEM FOR ROULETTE!!!!!!
can you tell how failed please. Did you look for when one of the three 1,4, or 7 missing say for six spins, could you not back the missing as a single doz,with prog of say 1,1,2,3,4, etc:
Cheers Hammer
Castle Casino Live dealer European roulette: 1-4-7,,,,,,,,7 NINE times in a row!!!!!BROKEN
After 3 times in a row, much better to get out......; and let it go
for 55 times in a row......lol
Hi everyone, i am playing around with this method using results from DB hit-n-run sessions. It looks very good so far....
I adapted rayhd63's spreadsheet (thanks for the contribution, Ray!). It still needs some work:
- after three losses, stop and wait for virtual win
- use the Foolproof progression
Anyone feel like taking a look at it?
foolproof progression? share please
SamNL mentioned it here:
link:://betselection.cc/gambling-philosophy/fool-proof-progression/ (link:://betselection.cc/gambling-philosophy/fool-proof-progression/)
It basically says you increase a unit on a lose or a win.
Some mention how it is better for near 50% odds. Chris555P shared this:
link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf (link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf)
there i think it says that after a lose, increase one unit after a win and after a loss until you have increase your bankroll +1 unit over your count before the lose or the next positive gain above the bankroll before the loss.
At least that is how i understood it.
Have played this over a couple hundred (sets of 3) spins.
Had one set come out the same.
Im calling that the exception that proves the rule.
Great imo. ðŸ'ŒðŸ'
Hello fellow travelers...
I have been playing with this most excellent system and looking at some tweaks using the 4000 Dublinbet results (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10392.0).
I have not been able to code this so i am just trying it manually with the spreadsheet posted (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14487.msg125630#msg125630) before with good results in the dozen or so cases. Would someone like to confirm?
Tweak:
1- Follow SAS' method but wait until a virtual win to start playing.
2- After virtual win, clear list and start tracking again; bet as suggested. Continue betting until positive BR.
3-After winning, continue tracking the same series (numbers so far tracked) until virtual win.
4- Clear list and start tracking again to play.
5- If the tracking list (3 numbers) has all the same or contiguous numbers, then start tracking again when the numbers start being different. Ex. 28,27,28,13 -> [28,27 discard] 28,13
Example:
12,10,34,12,8,15,22,15,19,21,31,22,15,36,36,19,0, 23
Hit Group
12 1
10 1
34 7 Bet on: W/L Bet U Br
12 1 4 7 L -8 1 -8
8 7 4 7 W 4 1 -4
15 4 1 4 W 4 1 0
22 4 4 7 W 4 1 4 <- virtual win
[clear list and start tracking again]
22 4
15 4
19 7
21 7 7 1 W 4 1 4 <- Win!!
31 4 7 1 L -8 1 -4
22 4 1 4 W 4 1 0 <- Virtual win, start over
[clear list and start tracking again]
15 4
36 7
36 7
19 7 7 1 W 4 1 4 <- Win!!
0 0 1 4 L -8 1 -4
23 4 1 4 W 4 1 0 <-Virtual win, start over
What do y'all think? Some might notice that right after the actual win comes another one close by. Maybe it would be good to win two outcomes (rather than bet one and make the other a virtual win) and then start over?
Thanks again SAS!!!
Here are the following numbers.
Is it me, or does it look like a good idea to bet until the second win?
Also, a cuttoff seems indicated for a sequence that runs too long.
17,8,13,28,11,26,19,8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18,16,15,25,13,17,14,18,17,30,25,7,12,12,11,5,28,12,24,35,14,16,28,28,5,8,24,28,16,0,22,16,23,8,0,23,6,0,17,21,26,26,24,25,29,5,23,20,27,5,3,35,5,32,12,17,35,1,3,7,30,8,31,25,16,1,7,32,21,22,13,15,31,35,15,32,34,28,33,1,34,6,29,35,15,21,12,31,3,10,17,6 ,28,19,35,19,13,0,8,31,26,11,13,14,6,13,6,14,31,18,36,19,22,8,13,8,5,14 ,19,17,7,10,20,25,17,16,2,31,13,21,19,17,16,12,35,34,10,15,15,18,16,1,9,11,34,25,15,6,17,24
17 7
8 7
13 4
28 1 1 4 W 4 1 4 4
11 1 1 4 W 4 1 4 8
26 7
19 7
8 7
16 7 1 4 L -8 1 -8
7 7 1 4 L -8 1 -16
30 1 1 4 W 4 3 -4 <- decreasing, continue?
11 1 1 4 W 4 1 0
12 1 1 4 W 4 1 4
26 7 4 7 W 4 1 8
25 7
18 7
16 7
15 4 1 4 W 4 1 4
25 7 1 4 L -8 1 -4
13 4 1 4 W 4 1 0
17 7
14 4
18 7
17 7 1 4 L -8 1 -8
30 1 7 1 W 4 1 -4
25 7 1 4 L -8 1 -12 <- stop at 3rd negative BR, if increasing loss?
7 7 1 4 L -8 1 -20
12 1 4 7 L -8 1 -28
12 1 1 4 W 4 3 -16
11 1 1 4 W 4 1 -12
5 4 4 7 W 4 1 -8
28 1 4 7 L -8 1 -16
--------------------------- alternative after suggested stop
7 7
12 1
12 1
11 1 1 4 W 4 1 4
5 4 4 7 W 4 1 8
28 1
12 1
24 4
35 7 4 7 W 4 1 4
14 4 4 7 W 4 1 8
16 7
28 1
28 1
5 4 1 4 W 4 1 4
8 7 4 7 W 4 1 8
24 4
28 1
16 7
0 0 7 1 L -8 1 -8
22 4 4 7 W 4 1 -4
16 7 1 4 L -8 1 -12
23 4
8 7
0 0
23 4 7 1 L -8 1 -8
6 4 1 4 W 4 1 -4
0 0 1 4 L -8 1 -12
17 7
21 7
26 7
26 7 1 4 L -8 1 -8
24 4 1 4 W 4 1 -4
25 7 1 4 L -8 1 -12
29 1
5 4
23 4
20 7 4 7 W 4 1 4
27 7 7 1 W 4 1 8
5 4
3 1
35 7
5 4 7 1 L -8 1 -8
32 4 4 7 W 4 1 -4
12 1 1 4 W 4 1 0
17 7 7 1 W 4 1 4
35 7 7 1 W 4 1 8
1 1
3 1
7 7
30 1 4 7 L -8 1 -8
8 7 4 7 W 4 1 -4
31 4 1 4 W 4 1 0
25 7 4 7 W 4 1 4
16 7 1 4 L -8 1 -4
1 1 7 1 W 4 1 0
7 7
32 4
21 7
22 4 1 4 W 4 1 4
13 4 7 1 L -8 1 -4
15 4 1 4 W 4 1 0
31 4
35 7
15 4
32 4 7 1 L -8 1 -8
34 7 1 4 L -8 1 -16
28 1 7 1 W 4 3 -4
33 4 7 1 L -8 1 -12
1 1
34 7
6 4
29 1 4 7 L -8 1 -8
35 7 1 4 L -8 1 -16
15 4 7 1 L -8 3 -40
21 7
12 1
31 4
3 1 1 4 W 4 1 4
10 1 4 7 L -8 1 -4
17 7 7 1 W 4 1 0
6 4
28 1
19 7
35 7 7 1 W 4 1 4
19 7 4 7 W 4 1 8
13 4
0 0
8 7
31 4 7 1 L -8 1 -8
26 7 1 4 L -8 1 -16
11 1 1 4 W 4 3 -4
13 4 7 1 L -8 1 -12
14 4 1 4 W 4 1 -8
31 4 4 7 W 4 1 -4
18 7 7 1 W 4 1 0
36 7 7 1 W 4 1 4
19 7 7 1 W 4 1 8
22 4
8 7
13 4
8 7 7 1 W 4 1 4
5 4 1 4 W 4 1 8
14 4
19 7
17 7
7 7 7 1 W 4 1 4
10 1 1 4 W 4 1 8
20 7
25 7
17 7
16 7 1 4 L -8 1 -8
2 1 1 4 W 4 1 -4
31 4 1 4 W 4 1 0
13 4
21 7
19 7
17 7 7 1 W 4 1 4
16 7 1 4 L -8 1 -4
12 1 1 4 W 4 1 0
35 7
34 7
10 1
15 4 1 4 W 4 1 4
15 4 1 4 W 4 1 8
18 7
16 7
1 1
9 7 1 4 L -8 1 -8
11 1 1 4 W 4 1 -4
34 7 4 7 W 4 1 0
25 7 1 4 L -8 1 -8
15 4 4 7 W 4 1 -4
6 4 1 4 W 4 1 0 <- find a new rule for ending a too long sequence?
17 7 1 4 L -8 1 -8
24 4 7 1 L -8 1 -16
15 4 7 1 L -8 1 -24
32 4 1 4 W 4 3 -12
24 4 7 1 L -8 1 -20
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 03, 03:31 AM 2014
Hi ALL,
This bet has been inspired by Ignatus and his 50/50 street bet and John Legend's Pattern Buster. Thanks to them!
Combined with the numbers from my House System, this bet is super random!
What is it?
It's a bet on 8 streets.
How do we play?
First you must learn the three SETS.
SET 1
These are streets :
1-2-3
10-11-12
19-20-21
28-29-30
For those who know my house system the first numbers will be familiar. They all reduce to : 1
This makes the bet easy to place.
SET 4 - why 4? Because the first numbers reduce to 4. Thus :
4-5-6
13-14-15
22-23-24
31-32-33
Remember these are STREETS!
SET 7
7-8-9
16-17-18
25-26-27
34-35-36
Again the first numbers reduce to 7 making the bet easy to place.
If you look down the layout you will see that
1
4
7
Repeat themselves another three times thus :
10
13
16
19
22
25
And finally
28
31
34
When reduced to a single digit it is just 1-4-7
And this is what we are going to bet on.
So how do we bet?
We bet after three spins and after reducing the numbers to a single digit as per the SETS described above.
Example from Betfair Live Casino this morning
0
10
32
29
27
35
1
29
4
16
I like to start my 'game' after a 0 or with a new dealer. But that's just me. You can start anywhere and the bet is struck after only three spins! No long waiting times for the 'trigger!'
So, after 0 - number 10 was spun. We know that this is in SET 1. We put 1 on a card thus :
1-
Next number spun was 32. We know that this is in SET 4. We put 4 on a card along side the 1:
1-4
Next number spun was 29. We know that this is again in SET 1. We put 1 alongside the other 2 numbers on the card thus :
1-4-1
Now we bet!
What is the bet? We are betting that the dealer cannot repeat this pattern. So our bet is on 8 STREETS using SETS 4 and 7
27 which is in SET 7 comes in and we win 4 units. If I win the first bet in the line I stop - although the second bet would have won also - and wait for another three spins.
So the above sequence would look like this on your card :
1-4-1
7-7-1 W
1-4-7 W actually all three would have won!
Win goal is between 10 and 20 units. I have been achieving this very easily! In fact I have never lost! Admittedly I have only been playing for a few hundreds spins but I reckon if you are patient and content to accept small gains - this is unbeatable.
There are probably other ways to play it. For instance in the first line of the example after the 1 we know we would be betting 4 and 7. We could take a guess and bet just four chips on one or the other.
I would be very interested to hear any suggestions and comments regarding the above which I hope I have explained properly!
Good luck!
SAS
I'm very sorry, but could someone explain this for me?
I don't know when to bet.
I don't know how much to bet.
I don't know when to stop.
Sorry for the lame question.
Quote from: valnurat on Aug 11, 06:17 PM 2015
I'm very sorry, but could someone explain this for me?
I don't know when to bet.
I don't know how much to bet.
I don't know when to stop.
Sorry for the lame question.
you just write down which sets of streets have hit last 3 spins.each set has 3 streets in them.
so if after 3 spins we see that it hit set 1 4 4 for example so we would play set 4,7 first spin then set 1,7 2nd spin then set 1,7 third spin .your betting the last 3 sets dont repeat in same order next 3 spins.
if you win first spin great but i dont know what the progression is if it lost on first spin.think its tanked as original post has gone awol