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## Resources & Downloads => Mathematics => Topic started by: falkor on Sep 26, 05:10 PM 2014

Title: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: falkor on Sep 26, 05:10 PM 2014
On a single-zero table if I bet on Low, Even and Red I can cover all numbers on the board except 0, 29, 31, 33 and 35

What bets should I place on each of those 3 even chance sections so that I always end up with 1 unit profit should the ball land on any of those 32 numbers - or if that's not possible then what is the optimal bet that results in the greatest chance of profit vs. loss?

For example, if I bet (Low = 3), (Even = 1), (Red = 1) I win 3-5 units of profit if it lands on 14,16,18, but lose 3 units of profit if I land on 19-28. I also get 3 units of profit on most of the low numbers and 1 unit of profit on most of the mid-section numbers. I lose 1 unit on 11,30,32,34,36. How can I modify those 3 bets so that I always get a profit??

Any help would be much appreciated!

I tried to figure out 3 simultaneous equations/inequalities if one chip is 10, but there's not enough information to come up with the optimal answers plus my Maths is very rusty:
10 * 2 - x - y > 0
x * 2 - 10 - y > 0
y * 2 - 10 - x > 0

Any other ideas on covering the board using only outside bets?
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: GLC on Sep 26, 10:41 PM 2014
Welcome aboard Falkor,

The classic is 9 units on Low, 6 units on the 3rd dozen and 2 units on the 19-20-22-23 corner.
(You can flip the bet if you want to bet High, 1st doz and 13-14-16-17.)

-17 units if 21, 24 or zero hits.

+1 unit if any other number hits.

I can't think of any way to bet fewer chips and have fewer numbers cause you to lose.
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 26, 10:53 PM 2014
Wow glc. Classic. With \$100 units, one spin a day thats 700 a week supplemental income .
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: ausguy on Sep 26, 11:00 PM 2014
Rich - The \$1,700 Question is would really you risk the said amount to win \$100 ?
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 26, 11:05 PM 2014
Im confident on 1 single spin a day ud reach 1700 before having to worry about losing the bankroll
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: ausguy on Sep 26, 11:10 PM 2014
Rich - Go ahead any casino will welcome you with open arms 24/7.
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: ausguy on Sep 27, 01:11 AM 2014
falkor - Welcome to the forum.

As you probably know 35 numbers is the maximum you can bet on any table to win 1 unit. 35 : 1 odds = 35 win - 34 lose = +1.

As already shown you can't do that exclusively by betting only on the (EC) Even chance &  2 : 1 outside positions (dozens & columns).

On a 37 number single zero wheel betting 35 numbers only leaves 2 numbers exposed. The previously posted 17 unit bets & 3 exposed numbers is the most economical bet.

The maximum cover bet is more expensive via any two 2 dozen bets @ 12 units per dozen for 24 units (same as betting 24 single numbers but easier & less work) , 1 unit on zero & 10 single number 1 unit bets on the other non bet on dozen = 24 +1 + 10 + 35 units.

As an example bet 1unit on zero, 12 units 1st doz, 12 units 2nd doz & any 10 numbers in the 3rd doz say 25R,26B,28B,29B,30R,31B,33B,34R,35B,36R.
Any hit gives +1 unit profit.

At risk loss of 35 units if 27R or 32R unbet number hits.  Mathematical odds = Win 35/37 - 94.59%.    Loss 2/37 - 5.41%.

For the 17 unit bet the cover is 34 numbers. Odds for a WIN 34/37 = 91.89%. Loss 3/37 - 8.11%. In comparison this is a better deal as the outlay is slightly less than 1/2 of the 35 number cover @ 17 units vs 35 units & only 1 extra number not covered.

If on a budget go with the lower 17 unit plan & a progression or a higher value 1 bet & run strategy. If a larger BR (bank roll) available go with the 35 number plan. Are you actively betting at the moment & if so where ? Live dealer or RNG ?

As always test, test & test again all the options & go with what suits you the best. On the home page there are plenty of ideas on MM (money management) & loads of other stuff.

Let us all know how you are going ?

Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: falkor on Sep 27, 07:50 AM 2014
Many thanks for your replies so far, guys! I look forward to testing out your suggestions - particularly those from GLC and ausguy. I liked GLC's Double Shot system, and would like to know how GLC has been getting on with that lately?
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 28, 01:55 PM 2018
Spin twice.  Bet unhit 35 numbers, then 34 then 33 etc stepping down each time

Now the T.genius would be shit scared of this.

Mr J got to be playable in real conitions; lives in the dark age still, now have tech like touchscreen with re-bet, double features

Mr aka: general and so many other names, will give the greatest of all players; Steve, change odds you know the rest.

But none of you would touch this way with a barge pole, ignorance is bliss
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 28, 02:26 PM 2018
ignorance is bliss

Maybe not to 11 who have downloaded the latest non-hit time table.
In the attachment you can see sheet Ran.org; the trot is shown from 11th spin, so look from spin 3 or when 35 non-hit left,
I'm saying no more, ignorance is bliss
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: Mako on Jul 28, 04:05 PM 2018
Now the T.genius would be shit scared of this.

Mr J got to be playable in real conitions; lives in the dark age still, now have tech like touchscreen with re-bet, double features

Mr aka: general and so many other names, will give the greatest of all players; Steve, change odds you know the rest.

But none of you would touch this way with a barge pole, ignorance is bliss

I've come to the conclusion that you find the working method first, then fit your actual play to it regardless of barriers.

Doesn't work with a dealer and live chips due to too many bets? Go online where a mouse and re-bet options can help.

Doesn't work with RNG? Go online with verified live table play.

Can't fit within typically low airball betting spread limits? Go to a casino with possibly wider-spread tables.

Finding a reliable method is far more difficult to figure out than finding the exact path to actually playing it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 28, 05:32 PM 2018
I've come to the conclusion that you find the working method first, Is it not called research then fit your actual play to it regardless of barriers. What Nimo said i'm now doing on MPR

Doesn't work with a dealer and live chips due to too many bets? That's why with Tech today, not the Mr J dark ages, you'd use touchscreen Go online where a mouse and re-bet options can help. Exactly

Doesn't work with RNG? Looking over old Bookie RNG it is holding up, but after X games of real use would the programmers be able to counter the method   Go online with verified live table play.

Can't fit within typically low airball betting spread limits? Biggest drawdown to date is -2948 for £1 units, so on touchscren you could be using .05 unit and this after 32 placed bets and a profit on the 38th spin Go to a casino with possibly wider-spread tables.

Finding a reliable method is far more difficult to figure out than finding the exact path to actually playing it. No Non-hit will give you the method
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: Mako on Jul 28, 05:41 PM 2018
Nice notto, the data you've accumulated is immense, all those KTF runs are paying off... :love:
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 28, 07:59 PM 2018
Mako
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Actual spin 34, we've missed 1st 2 spins; so betting 18 #'s at 32; 576 units, what are MPR 100 per single, so 32 is well inside table limit; still be using the BR of 5000

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+65 mega bucks laid but profit.

Mako, show this as this game started 6/10 i'll post the time stamp
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You'll be able to check when i post the data on Random.org sets of 148 #'s

200 sets of 148#'s only 2 sets have started 6/10
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If can win from such a bad opening 10 spins; could spins 11-20 carry on as bad when the expected is 5 non-hit on average, but usually it shows as 7,+2

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Oh yeah not enough spins Notto, my answer is ---- off
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 29, 03:36 PM 2018
Mako
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Fom Nimo's drinking vessel.

Earlier today on MPR
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I finished on the 23, +65; i had 23 spins i let the 1st 2 go but cannot tell you what the 3rd was. Now as play went on could not believe the zero's coming, but starting with 35#'s then going down ended +65 why carry on when repeats are happening so often.
I waited to see what next spin was and guess what another 23, so stopping was the right decision, but no one would touch this way, so ignorance is bliss, unless you test or research
Title: Re: Covering the board with at least 1 unit proft for each number covered?
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 29, 06:37 PM 2018
As MPR dont show the bets thought go on R-sim, nice Nimo