Did any systems ever pass the 10,000 spin test? Which systems performed the best on graphs?
I was interested in roulette when the Internet first came about, but the only system back then besides Martingale and the other common simple ones was Trioplay, but that turned out to be overrated.
20 years later, have systems improved?
i think the star system is unbeatable
but requires insane bankroll
For a start Winkel's GUT system is worth a look (that's where I started 6 1/2 years ago.)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2681.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2681.0)
Mr. J's Complete The Street
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4857.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4857.0)
and Mr. J's Catch the Eight Train
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9989.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9989.0)
That's great, guys - thanks! The Star system looks great and am just checking those other 3 links now... thanks again!
im going to check those 3 links out to
as far as the star system here is the pdf
it is crazy and i dont think it CAN lose
to be honest i dont fully understand the star system but supposedly it is king
As I understand it you pick an even-chance
and follow the progression 1,2,3,5,8 (stop)
(19 units per one unit base bet)
Aim for two wins, end session.
@ Proof
Thanks for clarifying; But what about if the 5 bets are lost,
I suppose we just have to restart the cycle again, is that correct....?
Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
The best system / method is betting for a change of an EC.
*****"'diminishing probability.' as any repeated pattern of chance events continues its reversal becomes progressively imminent"*****
Quote by a fellow poster in reference to this method.
Totally agree; the only trick is to know when to bet, specially when to bet big......
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 01, 01:47 AM 2014
@ Proof
Thanks for clarifying; But what about if the 5 bets are lost,
I suppose we just have to restart the cycle again, is that correct....?
Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Yes start over at one unit if all five bets are lost.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.msg36638#msg36638 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.msg36638#msg36638)
I stumbled across this system by Winkel about a week ago, and it's doing well. I made some off my own changes, I tried playing 4 streets, or, 2 double streets at once, however, I've reverted back to either playing the 1 double street, or, 1 street as described in the thread.
Beware you need a very large bank roll and big b***s, as some of the bets can get high in progression. I'm currently playing Sky Vegas in the UK on RNG (I know, I know) with minimum stake of 1p, therefore, £30 give you 3000 units, it also gives you good min/max table bets. I started off with a 2500 BR, and I'm now currently just under 8000 units. When playing with 1 double street, or street, I play that selection until I'm in profit, and then change the selection. I target 100 units in a session which could be made of anything from 1 game to 100 games depending how much you are winning per game.
My only concern is your BR can run out before you get the required game in +, therefore, I'm debating whether to have a stop/loss, the original thread doesn't really cover this, you are advised to keep going until you reach the table limits....
For reference the highest bet I've had to make so far was 233 units on a street and in this game I was down approximately 3200 units, I then had 2 wins in the next 6 spins and the game ended circa 550 units + I was betting on street 10 and it only appeared 6 times in 135 spins.
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 01, 07:25 AM 2014
Totally agree; the only trick is to know when to bet, specially when to bet big......
Chris555p ,
For your information tjnere is a method available as to when to commence betting for "THE CHANGE". It has a positive approach but NOT a flip of a Big bet.
You can bet a high as you want as long as you consider the MAXIMUM of the posted table limit.
Tamino.
For all of those who chase losses with any form of Martingale be aware of the table limits. .
SAINT MARTINGALE is loved and embraced by the casinos.
For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
TAMINO
@ Tamino thanks for the info.
Quote from: JimmieB on Oct 01, 08:19 AM 2014
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.msg36638#msg36638 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.msg36638#msg36638)
I stumbled across this system by Winkel about a week ago, and it's doing well. I made some off my own changes, I tried playing 4 streets, or, 2 double streets at once, however, I've reverted back to either playing the 1 double street, or, 1 street as described in the thread.
Beware you need a very large bank roll and big b***s, as some of the bets can get high in progression. I'm currently playing Sky Vegas in the UK on RNG (I know, I know) with minimum stake of 1p, therefore, £30 give you 3000 units, it also gives you good min/max table bets. I started off with a 2500 BR, and I'm now currently just under 8000 units. When playing with 1 double street, or street, I play that selection until I'm in profit, and then change the selection. I target 100 units in a session which could be made of anything from 1 game to 100 games depending how much you are winning per game.
My only concern is your BR can run out before you get the required game in +, therefore, I'm debating whether to have a stop/loss, the original thread doesn't really cover this, you are advised to keep going until you reach the table limits....
For reference the highest bet I've had to make so far was 233 units on a street and in this game I was down approximately 3200 units, I then had 2 wins in the next 6 spins and the game ended circa 550 units + I was betting on street 10 and it only appeared 6 times in 135 spins.
Looks really good! I know a double street can appear 6 times in a row max during 1 million spins, but I wonder how long a DS can sleep for?
Quote from: falkor on Oct 01, 09:34 AM 2014
Looks really good! I know a double street can appear 6 times in a row max during 1 million spins, but I wonder how long a DS can sleep for?
I have to ask, how did you obtain that stat please Falkor ?
O0
I test it myself at 1 million spins. I also tested other patterns like 1,1,2,3,2,1 >1,1,2,3,2,1 > 1,1,2,3,2,1 (18) = 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 (12) = 2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2 (12) = 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 (12) - though it fluctuate 11/13 (never more than that).
The above analysis is actually for Dozens. DS is 4/5, and Streets come max 3/4 times in a row.
EDIT: My memory might be playing up. I'll post the exact stats in a moment.
Quote from: falkor on Oct 01, 11:04 AM 2014
I test it myself at 1 million spins. I also tested other patterns like 1,1,2,3,2,1 >1,1,2,3,2,1 > 1,1,2,3,2,1 (18) = 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 (12) = 2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2 (12) = 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 (12) - though it fluctuate 11/13 (never more than that).
The above analysis is actually for Dozens. DS is 4/5, and Streets come max 3/4 times in a row.
EDIT: My memory might be playing up. I'll post the exact stats in a moment.
Okay, thanks for the reply & I look forward to your future post confirming your data.
BTW, are you using "actual spins" or "RNG spins" ?
I ask because for me I think there is a world of difference between the two ;)
O0
1,000,000 spins from the casino published at the roulette testing site:
Quote from: falkor on Oct 01, 11:55 AM 2014
1,000,000 spins from the casino published at the roulette testing site:
thanks for that :thumbsup:
So IF I've read it correctly the max was EIGHT double streets in a row correct ?
Do you know were they got the 1m spins from please ? (I will have a look)
O0
Yep - I got confused because I was dividing those numbers by 2 when I was testing for repeating patterns.
I don't know which casino the numbers came from - but everything evens out quite nicely after 1,000,000 spins so I have no reason to suspect the data in any way.
I am going to be testing HOT and COLD numbers next. Also, I want to test a few other theories out.
Quote from: falkor on Oct 01, 12:47 PM 2014
I have no reason to suspect the data in any way.
I'm not suspecting the data I just wish to know WHERE it came from ;)
AS for Hot & Cold numbers good luck, I believe nothing "is due" so I wish you well.
& thanks for getting back to me :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: JimmieB on Oct 01, 08:19 AM 2014
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.msg36638#msg36638 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.msg36638#msg36638)
I stumbled across this system by Winkel about a week ago, and it's doing well. I made some off my own changes, I tried playing 4 streets, or, 2 double streets at once, however, I've reverted back to either playing the 1 double street, or, 1 street as described in the thread.
Beware you need a very large bank roll and big b***s, as some of the bets can get high in progression. I'm currently playing Sky Vegas in the UK on RNG (I know, I know) with minimum stake of 1p, therefore, £30 give you 3000 units, it also gives you good min/max table bets. I started off with a 2500 BR, and I'm now currently just under 8000 units. When playing with 1 double street, or street, I play that selection until I'm in profit, and then change the selection. I target 100 units in a session which could be made of anything from 1 game to 100 games depending how much you are winning per game.
My only concern is your BR can run out before you get the required game in +, therefore, I'm debating whether to have a stop/loss, the original thread doesn't really cover this, you are advised to keep going until you reach the table limits....
For reference the highest bet I've had to make so far was 233 units on a street and in this game I was down approximately 3200 units, I then had 2 wins in the next 6 spins and the game ended circa 550 units + I was betting on street 10 and it only appeared 6 times in 135 spins.
I'VE GOT EXPLOSIVE NEWS IN THE FORM OF NEW STATS!!!!Fibonacci Numbers1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,1597
Max 1000 Table limitMax # bets: 15 * 5 = 75
Max 2000 Table limitMax # bets: 16 * 5 = 80
Max Cold Double Streets in 1,000,000 spins79!
That means this system should pass the 1 million spin test!!
Is there any way the system can be improved slightly? If we apply it to single streets would the stats fair any better?
are supa dupa and mmsip no good, what about grandpaa's way
Hi NTP,
I wasn't overly keen on supa had several bad
sessions at the start and that put me off, however, I think mmsip is strong with good mm. I'm not familiar with grandpa's way, any info would be appreciated.
On a side note opinions on systems can be very varied depening on the person's betting style, and, of course the success they have had with a particular system, I guess this is what's great about this forum, we can all discuss the many aspects of roulette.
Regards
Jim
Hi Jimmie, hope works link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=6273.0 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=6273.0)
Cheers NTP ;)
Jim
do you think granps way any good
Hi NTP
I've been sidetracked with something else over the past week/10 days, I'll PM you...
Jim
Quote from: falkor on Sep 30, 05:55 PM 2014
Did any systems ever pass the 10,000 spin test? Which systems performed the best on graphs?
I was interested in roulette when the Internet first came about, but the only system back then besides Martingale and the other common simple ones was Trioplay, but that turned out to be overrated.
20 years later, have systems improved?
10,000 spins is so easy to pass. I have so many systems passing 10,000 even 20,000 spins but tank later on. Some is still positive, but its not clear whether it will win in the long term...
Any examples?
Falkor,
Maybe its an idea if everybody makes his top 5 (maybe with results?) and keep the topic updated every time there's a new good system, so that there's an overview of the systems just like the en.youroul.com website. :thumbsup:
grtzz R