A while back I remember reading about a progression that started off with a 4 step marty then if that lost there were a number of steps that we were looking for a double to get us out then a triple then a quad. If anyone has the exact details of this progression I would very much appreciate it if you could republish the exact details.
Thanks,
Ross
Im interested in long progressions. Maybe not as long as 29 but a long conservative safe progression
George came up with this a long time ago. I've used it successfully over the years in the right circumstances. Good luck and thanks to my friend, GLC ...
Ultimate Even Chance Progression:
If lose Bet Amount If win
-1 1 (x1) +1
-3 2 +1
-7 4 +1
-15 8 +1
-21 6 (x2) +3
-29 8 +3
-39 10 +1
-52 13 0
-70 18 +2
-81 11 (x3) +7
-93 12 +3
-107 14 +5
-123 16 +5
-141 18 +3
-162 21 +6
-186 24 +6
-213 27 +3
-228 15 (x4) +12
-244 16 +12
-261 17 +11
-279 18 +9
-298 19 +6
-318 20 +2
-340 22 +12
-363 23 +5
-388 25 +12
-414 26 +2
-442 28 +6
-472 30 +8
We need about 450 unit bank.
Thanks for that. That is exactly the one I was looking for.
Ross
Thanks Wally.
Ross, please be aware that you can lose this progression. I had the best luck with it playing Iceman's dimension system. It does appear to deliver multiple wins in a row on a regular basis. I emphasize the word "appear" because I can't think of one good reason for it to have multiple wins in a row more often than any other even chance bet selection. In real play, I've never gotten all the way to the end, but I have cheated a couple of times. The way I cheat is if I get too far down the bet line and my bets are getting pretty large, I will drop back after 2 or 3 parlays for some breathing room. I have even done this a few times in a single attack. There's nothing to say that you have to always go for the maximum parlays to fully recover. It's a bummer when you need 5 wins in a row and you get 4 and skip number 5 taking a big jump back down the bet line to a smaller bet level and then win the 5th bet. You would have fully recovered had you stayed with the progression, but sometimes safety is more valuable than finishing a sequence early.
Please note that the X2 or X3 or X4 ect... are parlays and not repeat bets. Like the first number in the X3's is 11 units. That means you bet 11 and if you win you let it ride and another win gives you 22 which you let ride and another win gives you 44 units which you let ride also. A final win gives you 88 units minus the 11 you bet = 77 minus the 70 you were down and you are +7.
You can expand this progression all you want. For instance you can have more steps at the X2 level or any level. You can also go on to X5, X6 or more.
Final point. You can play 1 - 2 - 4 - 8 then start with 1 and play my flatbet parlay. You would let all wins ride until you had recovered the original 15 units plus any you lost on the parlays.
This is very flexible and there are opportunities galore to keep your bets smaller.
Having said all that, this can still lose, so don't play with scared money!
I don't want friendly blood on my hands.
GLC
How does this progression work
For example
It says 6 X2
Does that mean bet 6 win 6 then bet 12?
Yes Rich. It's a parlay system (or some call it "let-it-ride").
I designed it because we win at least 75% of our units (maybe more) in the 1st 4 bets. The rest of the progression is just to recover when we've lost those 15 units.
After a lot of testing of progressions like this, I think I prefer Hermes' leveler progression. He suggests betting 1-2-4-8 and then flat bet 8 units per bet until you recover. A less aggressive way is 1-2-4 and then flat bet 4 units until you recover.
Any way you play it, there's a down side.
GLC
what i like about this is it is 29 chances to win 2 in a row.
just about full proof
hermes method is a 3 or 4 step marty then if you lose the last step bet that amount until recovered?
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 17, 05:55 PM 2014
hermes method is a 3 or 4 step marty then if you lose the last step bet that amount until recovered?
Rich. You just reminded me of a system that Hermes posted where he explains his "leveler" progression. It's really spelled with 2 L's between the 2 e's but this program won't let you misspell it.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=90.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=90.0)
Study the system. It's one of the best on the forum by one of the best minds in the forum community.
He doesn't post anymore which is our loss.
GLC
Thanks GLC for your response and thoughts on this progression.
You mention a progression of 1 2 4 8 then flat bet 8 units until heights. That clearly relies on getting two more winning bets than losing bets at some time to get back to heights. Under some circumstances that could take a long time or you might never achieve it in that session.
From your experience have you found this to be a viable way to play as I believe it is probably relatively safe but is it profitable
Thanks
Ross
Quote from: rossg on Oct 18, 05:58 AM 2014
Thanks GLC for your response and thoughts on this progression.
You mention a progression of 1 2 4 8 then flat bet 8 units until heights. That clearly relies on getting two more winning bets than losing bets at some time to get back to heights. Under some circumstances that could take a long time or you might never achieve it in that session.
From your experience have you found this to be a viable way to play as I believe it is probably relatively safe but is it profitable
Thanks
Ross
Ross,
It has been shown numerous times that every mechanical system will eventually fall prey to the house advantage if tested on enough spins. Therefore, something must be added to a system that can't be quantified to make it a winning system overall. A little luck goes a long way.
It is my humble opinion that no mechanical system is better than any other mechanical system. They all result in a 2.7% loss when played long enough. You can't even play in such a way as to create a worse disadvantage then 2.7%. In other words no matter how you play roulette, if you play that way mechanically, long enough, you will lose 2.7%. Unless you're psychic, even just random number selection will result in a 2.7% disadvantage.
I do not place computers in the above categories. I don't doubt that a computer with a camera can move the expectation to the players side. How much? I don't know. How hard is it to incorporate? I don't know. Ask Steve!
All roulette players start out thinking that there must be a way to manipulate the bet placement and the bet sizes in such a way that they can move the disadvantage to the other side of zero so that they can have the advantage instead of the house. So, they start testing systems created by others and eventually they develop their own systems. They go through a learning curve. They finally come to the realization that the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is not to be found in a mechanical roulette system. I'm not saying that some lucky bloke might not be able to play roulette all his life and die still ahead. In a million players, some will do well, some will do very poorly and most will fall somewhere between the two extremes.
This first suggestion is for mechanical systems. If you want to play a system, find one that you really like to play. Systems fall into a few tendencies that affect whether or not you enjoy playing that system. Some use a flat bet and are very slow moving. Some use an aggressive progression and are fast paced. Some use a very simple bet selection process, like flat bet on a single number, or bet on Red only, etc... Others have a very complicated bet selection process. Some have a very complicated bet amount determining process. For a strictly mechanical system, I personally like a system like "The Authors" system. You only risk 12 units per attack so you remain in control of your bankroll. You don't get caught in a super long progression that you have to stay with until you win or you lose it all. These are killers.
Once you've found the system you prefer, learn to play it thoroughly. That means you've tested it until you can play it perfectly, with no mistakes in the busiest, loudest casino setting imaginable. (Never play RNG casino games on the internet for money. They're just slot machines and too risky in my opinion.) Play it and have fun.
Here's my real conclusion on my years of study of roulette. The best way to have a chance to win is outlined in the book by Brett Morton "Roulette, Playing To Win". If you can't win playing the way Brett plays, you can't win! Bold statement, I know, but I really believe it. It incorporates good money management principles, self discipline, understanding dealer characteristics, etc...
Buy Brett's book. Read and re-read it until you thoroughly understand everything he presents. This means you can only play in live, brick and mortar casinos. If you can't get to a B&M casino, then you can't play this way. Do some dry runs. A lot of them. Watch the dealers and wheels and "act as if" you're playing but don't put any money on the tables. When you get to a point where you are winning virtually on a consistent basis, start playing for real money. The smallest unit amount you can play with. As you become a consistent winner for small amounts, and I know these amounts may not be that small due to house minimums, then you can increase the size of your units.
Become a professional according to Brett's style for the best chance to win; or find you favorite mechanical system learn to play it and enjoy it.
If you use one of my progressions, Altantis' progressions, Warrior's progressions, Kattila's progressions, Ego's progressions, or Hermes' progression, it doesn't matter. They all end at the same place. Some just take longer to get there. Pick one you like and use it and have fun.
Or get Brett's book and become a professional player.
Good Luck,
GLC
P.S. By recommending Brett's book, I'm not saying there are no other good books on how to play roulette. Of the few books I've read on roulette, his is the best book in my opinion.
P.S.S. Search for Brett's book on this forum where I have given a summary of the main points as a good place to start.
GLC I cannot get the authors system to load. Can you provide a link
As always thanks
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 18, 08:16 PM 2014
GLC I cannot get the authors system to load. Can you provide a link
As always thanks
link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/80/mode/1up (link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/80/mode/1up)
When you read this system, please note that the author doesn't suggest that this is infallible. He just suggests that you can have fun playing it and come out ahead on many of your trips to the casino.
While you have the book open, you might read some of the other systems. You'll see that not much has changed in a couple of hundred years of trying to beat the wheel.
Good Luck,
George
Thanks
I will also buy the book you mentioned
I recently bought roulette key gold book and it had some nice systems
page 112 of that book, opened my eyes somewhat many many moons ago....... :o :o :o
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Quote from: ddarko on Oct 19, 11:47 AM 2014
page 112 of that book, opened my eyes somewhat many many moons ago.......
Yep...alot of good can come from that seemingly small bit of information...it just needs to be thought thru and applied appropriately...
see...always a catch ;)
A book I refer to all the time is "The Roulette Winner" by Lee Tutor
When I forget something, or need a refresh, I thumb through it.
Many newbies miss out the foundations of a subject and get straight into the jazzy stuff.
It can lead to ruin.
Unfortunately, the ruin comes to many well before they became an expert.
(There are recent members here now going for the jazzy stuff, and dont know basic probability or how many times a dozen can sleep)
Lee Tutors book covers many aspects of the game, including probability and MM
There isnt really "a system" in this book, but great info to make you a more wary expert.
I could use the same sentence to describe Brett Mortons book.
The Roulette Winner (for me) is the best Roulette book I have read. But I wanted to be an expert and understand all things roulette, not churn out some mechanical system I read about.
Disclaimer: Dont beat me up if you hate it
Quote from: GLC on Oct 19, 10:56 AM 2014
link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/80/mode/1up (link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/80/mode/1up)
When you read this system, please note that the author doesn't suggest that this is infallible. He just suggests that you can have fun playing it and come out ahead on many of your trips to the casino.
While you have the book open, you might read some of the other systems. You'll see that not much has changed in a couple of hundred years of trying to beat the wheel.
Good Luck,
George
i had trouble understanding the authors system
it says to bet red if red was last, and if you win great but if you lose switch to black?
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 19, 06:36 PM 2014
i had trouble understanding the authors system
it says to bet red if red was last, and if you win great but if you lose switch to black?
Rich, all you do is bet Same then Opposite then Same then Opposite then Same then Opposite etc... bet (1-2-3-6 or for less aggressive 1-2-3-5 or for even less aggressive 1-2-2-4 or for more aggressive 1-2-4-8 or for even more aggressive 1-3-7-15).
If you lose 4 bets in a row, it will be because you had RRBB or BBRR or one of these with a zero for one of the colors. If no zero, and you lost four in a row, just bet Same or Opposite two times in a row and return to Same Opposite Same Opposite etc...
The doublets (RRBBRRBB) are what kills this system but only if you enter it on the wrong step otherwise you win every bet.
Play around with it and you'll see what I mean.
George
That's not really what he was saying (it is on the surface)...it kinda is that simple... and then it's not that simple... as he is trying to convey a method of attack to play into the game itself
The author is using the natural variance of the game and linking a short progression to it and hoping to tread water as long as he can. He opens that section basically saying it is not infallible.
The "Author's Method" is basically just a structured way to play with and then against a streak. (or for a chop) He then uses a progression to cover his losses as he goes...he hopes He is attempting to take the variance out of the game to a certain degree and grind out small gains or minimize his losses...he is not out to make a killing. He was simply fronting a basic rudimentary idea that he felt could be played rather harmlessly if people insisted on gambling (which he discouraged)
On Page 112 he further discusses the numbers behind streaks (which he then examines how essentially to implement a stop loss without really calling it that) and making the argument that over a large number of spins that by sitting out some of a streak rather than trying to guess into it that you can sufficiently extract a small edge against the game. How you choose to use and implement this information is obviously...up to you.
We all seem to be able to look at the same numbers and come to different conclusions as to how we should develop a method of play based on these "facts" and obviously we are all hit with runs of numbers that totally annihilate whatever it is we think is a proven winner. I am confident I will use the information and apply it completely different than you and everyone else on the board...that's what the forum is all about. Exchanging ideas so we can all see things a little different than we may be hard-wired or conditioned to perceive them and open up new lines of thought.
It's complicated...
i think the best bet is to play a combination of systems
on a win switch the system
playing one for too long fails
I generally play several simultaneously...some build on the others... and one or two compliment in an offset kinda way
that's the plan anyways
My ultimate goal is to go 5 days a week and win $60. For 300 profit a week
Trying to find a way to do this with a thousand dollar bankroll
I also thought : look at past 18 numbers that showed. Bet the remaining 18 numbers with a negative progression. Chances are if theres a repeat of the previous 18 numbers it would only be one or two at the most so a negative progression would be safe and the wins should roll
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 19, 08:26 PM 2014
I also thought : look at past 18 numbers that showed. Bet the remaining 18 numbers with a negative progression. Chances are if theres a repeat of the previous 18 numbers it would only be one or two at the most so a negative progression would be safe and the wins should roll
That thousand might not last too long.
Keep testing...test some more...and then test another 3000 spins before you lay real cash.
That's my two cents...
This progression will fail and lose the 450+ units required at some point. The problem is when deep in the progression you can get a run with no successive (or only 2 consecutive winnings bets). On average I would guess you could gain 400 units before losing the 450 over the long run. The key is to try and make 500 units before it does fail so when it does you haven't lost.