Start by betting dozens 1 & 2. Any time you have 2 losses in a row, bet dozens 2 & 3, any time you have 2 losses in a row, move to dozens 3 & 1. Continue in this manner. The strength of this bet selection method is that it stays on the two hottest dozens. Sometimes you can rack up 10, 15 even 20 units without getting 2 losses in a row.
The bet progression is 1-1 as long as you're winning. If you have a loss while betting 1-1 then you bet 2-2 on the same 2 dozens. If you win the 2-2 bet, you will have recovered the 1-1 loss and can continue betting 1-1.
If you lose both the 1-1 and the 2-2 bets, you will have lost 2 times in a row and you move your bet selection to the right 1 step and you move your bet amount to the 2-2/4-4 level. That means you bet 2-2 until you either recover all losses or encounter a loss. After a loss at 2-2, you bet 4-4 hoping to recover the 4 units you lost betting 2-2. If you win, you continue betting 2-2 until you recover all losses or lose again at 2-2. Continue until you either recover all losses or you have 2 losses in a row. Two losses in a row will be 2-2 then 4-4. Two losses in a row when betting 2-2/4-4 means you move to 3-3/6-6. It's played the same way as 1-1/2-2 and 2-2/4-4.
The progression line is simply: 1-1/2-2; 2-2/4-4; 3-3/6-6; 4-4/8-8; 5-5/10-10 etc...
This is a very solid system but not infallible. Set a reasonably high stop loss, say 250 units and a 25 unit win target and unless you start off with bad luck, you should be able to give the casino a run for their money.
GLC
GLC
I wiil do a little testing.
I just want to say thank you. You never give up giving.
Yours Koolkat
talking about the selection of the hottest dozens, would it be preferable to bet on the last two dozens using the same money management?
Quote from: huskerdu on Nov 09, 06:46 AM 2014
talking about the selection of the hottest dozens, would it be preferable to bet on the last two dozens using the same money management?
Huskerdu, We are all interested in what members have to contribute. Please give us an example of what you're thinking so we can analyze it. Maybe you have a way to improve this idea. I for one would welcome your idea expanded so we can be sure we understand what you suggesting.
Cheers,
GLC
I had recommended this at one point. always betting on the 2 most recent dozens.
I will try GLC method first
GLC at a table that requires a minimum of $10 on each dozen ($20 minimum table) what bankroll do you suggest
Huskerdu, Having re-read you post with a little time to think about it, I realize that all you're suggesting is to bet on the last 2 dozens to hit. That is a legitimate suggestion. But that bet selection can be found on numerous double dozen systems. The difference is that I'm suggesting that a single loss on the last two dozens to hit is only an interrupt. But if you lose twice on the same two dozens this may be a trigger that the sleeping dozen is waking up.
I haven't done a comparison, but we may only be talking about the difference of 1 spin between the bet selection methods.
I chose 2 losses because it mirrored the Wrangle system somewhat. Technically, your suggestion would be the exact Wrangler system. Even chances switch after 2 losses so double dozens should switch after 1 loss. I just don't like switching after 1 loss. We could even go to 3 losses in a row.
Hey, we're just talking about tiny tweaks. In the long run I don't think it will matter.
GLC
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 09, 10:37 AM 2014
GLC at a table that requires a minimum of $10 on each dozen ($20 minimum table) what bankroll do you suggest
I can't make that determination. It will depend on your bank roll. Unless you're a fairly wealthy person, I wouldn't play progressions in roulette on $20 minimum tables. If I had to play $10 per dozen, I'd only flat bet any double dozen system. That way you can just stop whenever you want. With a progression like this one, you will still find yourself deep in the hole every now and then and when you're deep in the hole you either have to bite the bullet or risk the house. Neither choice are appealing to me. Check out my signature to see how I really feel about progressions.
GLC
If you have a table minimum at 10 Euro for dozen, then you can play the lines as the minimum for the straight up numbers might be around 2 Euro.
4 lines would be 8 Euro playing 24 numbers and not 20 Euro covering 24 numbers.
If you want to win 20% then you loss limit has to be 200 Euro and your session money 400 Euro.
If you would money for three sessions, then you need 1200 Euro.
400 Session Money
200 Loss-Limit
40 Win-Target
That would give you a spreed around 20 units if you play the lines as minimum.
That means that you could at most flat betting and would not have money for progression play.
The good news is that if you play two sessions and lose both, then you will still have 800 Euro left.
I just test to write this down for my self to see how money management and systems does not work togheter.
Maybe Brett Morton is better, still the best money management i know.
Above was based upon John Patricks money management.
What amont makes you happy to win?
Lets say 40 Euro.
What are you prepeared to risk to win 40 Euro?
Lets say 400 Euro, that is 10%
Now you have your Loss-limit and Win-goal (Happy-Point)
400 Loss-Limit
40 Happy-Point
If you reach 40 Happy point you might want to push for more, then you are only allow to use 30 to do so, that way you can not lose it all back.
So we set a safety net (Bottom-Line-Target) at 10.
400 Loss-Limit
10 Bottom-Line-Target
40 Happy-Point
So how much more would you push for if you reach your first win-target "Happy-Point".
Well you only have 30 to puch with so 50 would be ok "Gold-Top"
400 Loss-Limit
10 Bottom-Line-Target
40 Happy-Point
50 Gold-Top
Let say you are on a good strike and want to puch more, why stop when you are winning (maybe flat betting)
Then you are only allow to continue with 10 as you would go home with at least 40 Happy Point your secound saftey net.
So you can let it ride and hope for the best, maybe you hit jackpot.
400 Loss-Limit
10 Bottom-Line-Target
40 Happy-Point
50 Gold-Top
?? Jackpot
Lets say you want to test your luck twice, then you need 800 Euro.
With 8 Euro minimum for each bet, you might want to flat betting as there would not be so much over for progression play.
The down side with this metod is that do you lose two session, then you walk home with empty wallet.
No protection for the overall game plan.
This is the difference using Brett Morton and John Patricks Money Management Plan.
GLC have made a great post about Brett Mortons Money Management Strategy.
Lets make a bad senario of a series of lets say 6 loses in a row
With your selection the pattern which create 6 loses in a row is : 3 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2
With my selection thes pattern is: 1 - 2 -3 - 1- 2 - 3 - 1- 2- 3 - 1 - 2 - 3
So we just have a different kind of patterns and nothing else.
What senario is due to happen most? The pattern of 33 11 22 or the pattern of123 123 ?
So, I think is a matter of taste what to choose.
Anyway, mathimaticaly talking, all the above are the same because everything can happen :).
So in my opinion, what is most important is the kind of money management, which i liked on your post.
I found that betting on the 2 most recent dozens can be profitable if played right.
I am now looking into this progression from GLC in conjunction with betting the most recent dozen and the furthest dozen hit (sleeper) aka the most recent and the oldest
So if it is doz 1 doz 3 doz 1 doz 3 doz 2
Id bet doz 1 and doz 2
thanks again for the progression idea GLC
working very nicely with my newly found double dozen system (bet the most recent dozen and the "sleeping dozen")
Thanks for the posts Ego and Huskerdu. Both help enlighten the readers considerably.
I think that if you don't have at least 1,000 units, you should consider playing a mild progression. Maybe 1/2; 2/4; 3/6. If you lose betting 6, take the loss and reset. At times this wins a bunch before losing a 6 unit bet.
Another option is to use a double step process. Bet 1/2; 2/3; 3/6.
If lose recover with 2/4; 3/6; 4/8.
If lose recover with 4/8; 6/12; 10/20.
If lose at 10/20, take the loss. You should have won something along the way.
While winning, use Ego's suggestion to maximize a hot streak.
GLC
You're welcome RouletteGhost.