Here is something for you in a 37 spin cycle,how many times will a line containing 6 numbers show 2 new numbers and only 2. I'm working on something that takes advantage of runs and changes of numbers that I think every one will be interested in.This idea will try and avoid sleepers towards the end of the cycle,but can also produce a profit if money management is done Accurate .This idea with a little help from the pros ,the ones that have been at for a while no offence to the new bees ha ha,but I'm interested in people that are not going to jump from system to system although we have all done it me included.There has to be a weakness in this game ,and we all know that in 37 spins all numbers will not show. We all have tried to capitalize on this but always come short .
What I would like to see is every line in there order 123456 and underneath each line the result of 2 different numbers in the order they come up. This will be done for 37 spins of the wheel ,and also with this we need to know when a line shows a new number but fails to produce a second new number,this usually will happen when all the lines produce the 2 new ones and only one line left will show a new number and fail to produce the second number therefore sleeper five meaning the 5 numbers left did not show or the line slept for the entire 37 spins.
We know that in 37 spins there will be numbers that show and numbers that repeat and number will not come up. I won't get into the break down you can find this on every forum.
If interested please let me know and will try to win more session then not. Questions always welcome.
Warrior
already did that, see link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14898.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14898.0)
it looks pretty much the same no matter how many test i run
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 09, 11:14 AM 2014
already did that, see link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14898.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14898.0)
it looks pretty much the same no matter how many test i run
That's 37 spin cycle stats .everyone has done that .read over again on what I am asking look at the lines ,record 2 new numbers when you get the 2 its over all lines must have 2 new ones with in 37 spins.
Ex. 1 23 12 36 21 4 32 19 19 35 13 9 22 25 18 15 24. 8 34 28
So here you see all the lines show 2 unique numbers now this does happen where the cycle of 37 spins is cut short but lots of time it will go to the end ,and one line will only show one number or no numbers ,please I will get into the bet selection in due time I need the ones interested to do some homes work.Cyles will run in 37 spin session .
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Lines
5. 7. 13. 21. 28. 32. Results
4. 10. 17. 24. 29. 36 2 unique numbers documented as they come in this way I know exactly when the second number appears .
I will guarantee that this has not been thought of :thumbsup:
We know that at the beginning of a 37 spin cycle that we will get unique numbers ,as the spins continue there will be repeats ,my method takes advantage of the repeats and the change of new numbers. We will never know which number will come or which numbers will sleep at the end of the cycle, by catching the new ones as soon as they come in we make the profit ,the repeats are all bonus spins . The idea is to have the right formula to always win the session. Having the win goal and the stop goal is key ,the odds will play a role every spin so it's not so easy to calculate the win / loss ,we always have to pay attention on the deficit.
Hi Warroir,
Just to confirm I’ve got this correct let’s say these are the following numbers:
12, 22, 3, 1, 1, 27, 33, 13, 15
You would note them like this....and so on up to 37 spins?
1.(1-6) 2.(7-12) 3.(13-18) 4.(19-24) 5.(25-30) 6.(31-36)
3 12 13 22 27 33
1 15
1
Jim
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 09, 03:44 PM 2014
Hi Warroir,
Just to confirm I’ve got this correct let’s say these are the following numbers:
12, 22, 3, 1, 1, 27, 33, 13, 15
You would note them like this....and so on up to 37 spins?
1.(1-6) 2.(7-12) 3.(13-18) 4.(19-24) 5.(25-30) 6.(31-36)
3 12 13 22 27 33
1 15
1
Jim
Jim yes that's correct. So now we need to know how many times does this method produce 2 new numbers with 37 spin ,each line will produce 2 new ones at different times ,some times it might only take 10 spins and at times more ,only an example .the way I tested this was every time the line spun 2 unique I would scratch it out so I know exactly which ones are left and which sleeps . I would tally the number of win session vs loss and guess what ,I would have more wins than losses.
I will only tell you this that the game is always what we're trying to beat not the odds because there set in stone.
I like your avatar.
Nothing like old fashion paper and pen ^-^
Well if you can win 30 sessions without a loss this is the GOAL. :wink:
Not once but for the rest of your life :thumbsup:
Hi Warrior,
Thanks for the compliment ref my avatar; my late father was quite highly ranked in Kung Fu in the 70's when I was very young, and he introduced me the Bruce Lee films at the time, I've lost count of the amount of times I watched Enter the Dragon in my early years :)
Regarding your system, are you looking to have just the one line left then betting on the six numbers, also, you say you scrath of the line whe you have 2 numbers showing, do you then start another line for that section if numbers for that section show again if you haven't made 37 spins. I'm at a loss as to how you are unsing this, probably me just being stupid... :)
If you're not wanting to give to much away at this stage, no problem :), it's so I know what I'm doing in the testing.
Jim
Or, maybe you are betting on the numbers in the section, when the section becomes active....???
Jim
Bruce Lee made me open my mind and in fact we have the UFC today,I study til this day JKD and also am a professor in BJJ. I train with fighters but I mainly love teaching just everyday people that are honest and are eager to learn martial arts .
Now about roulette you had the the format right,test it in groups of 37 spins but the second you have 2 new numbers that line becomes absolute,don't be to concerned with the bet selection right now I really don't see to many people jumping on this,so I have been here a long time more than I care for but that's my choice it's a form of entertainment . The way your thinking about roulette is the way we all think about the game. Waiting for something to happen is what every roulette player does but the that's not the key ,been there done that and would always come short, the bet selection is easy if you been playing for a while ,there so many ways to bet in the game and the results being the same .We know the odds of the game and there payout that's where we need to manipulate the wins and have a win goal and a stop win . Most roulette players don't know when to stop in a cycle to profit ,its not easy but I know it can be done. For now just post a few session on here let me look a them an I will tell you the profit in the end of the cycles. No need to go through all 37 spins ,like I said the second each line shows the 2 numbers it's canceled every line needs time ,and you will come to 37 spins where one line line will show only one number or no numbers. For know just work with that .Warrior
I see where a lot of the pros have lost hope with this game I have been there ,I was reading this subject on monkey therom where if a monkey given a type writer with time there will be full sentence .The wheel I think is like this it's so random that you start to see full sentence given the time .I have used computer it's as good as the one working with it ,as long as everything is working properly,you can make money with a good phone computer.but think on how long it took for the ones creating this to make this work Same goes for system player but you need to look at things from a different angle then you will see the forest for the trees.
Warrior....you are a cut to the chase poster which I respect. What I mean by that is this. If you are posting it..I dont have to work out what you know and dont know to see if this is an advanced idea or not. Your cred is written in stone like GLC...ego..twocat.
So I have to be interested. You leave me no choice :thumbsup:
What do you want to know...because Turner isnt getting it...
I have moments of genius where I am astonished mixed with moments of sheer stupidity.
The latter is my current situation.
Turner you are not stupid we just get to a point that we want to give up and I think that's where most of the ideas come in because we're not creating resistance,happens to me all the time when I really want something and you guess it the universe does the opposite ,I have let lots of curses out but that doesn't help it's just makes things worth lol. All I'm asking is for some people to post results on how a Jimmy presented it ,doesn't have to be 100000 spins, only 37 spins ,now if every member did there part there would be no need to test for infinity if the plan is good I have problem sharing my idea so every one can benefit . For I am not taking this to my grave and casino will still be open lol. Forums are interesting because people come and go and only the die remain ,so I think to myself why post something for all the public to see when so many don't want to put the hard work in.So I just want to know who s interested . Only by examples I will know who deserves my idea that comes from ,well I have know idea where they come from but it pops in our brains lol.
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 09, 03:44 PM 2014
Hi Warroir,
Just to confirm I’ve got this correct let’s say these are the following numbers:
12, 22, 3, 1, 1, 27, 33, 13, 15
You would note them like this....and so on up to 37 spins?
1.(1-6) 2.(7-12) 3.(13-18) 4.(19-24) 5.(25-30) 6.(31-36)
3 12 13 22 27 33
1 15
1
Jim
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This how it should be done leave the rest to me. I will calculate the the profit. Math this is where the real challenge is so we walk out with a profit each time lol. And hopefully don't go home crying lol .
Hi Warrior
Interesting M(M)A background you have :)
I've attached some initial test data, I'm assuming you stop when all 6 lines have been crossed, or, when you get to 37 spins, whichever comes first....early obserservations show the 6 lines completing with the 2 numbers fairly quickly, however, I've only looked at a very very small amount of data.
If this format is ok with you, I'll send you some more over the next few days, it probably won't be that much due to work commitments, hopefully it will still help.
By the way I totally agree with your opinion on roulette, trying to put it into practice, as well as trying to think out the box is the hard part, well for me it is....
Jim
Jimmy you did every thing correct but if you look again some lines had repeaters which is fine those are the bonus points you'll get but they need to contain the the 2 different numbers before termination. :thumbsup:
First ex. 30 34
Second ex.6 6 these two will need to be complete ,like I said sometimes it will go for the full 37 but there are time ,but at time very short session.
Ahh, ok, I'm away to test :thumbsup:
Jim
Hi Warrior. I am interested in this type of play. It is late here now,will try and post some analysis tomorrow.
Interesting.
Cheers.
this shows stuff if you shove numbers in col A. Dont know if it helps
Quote from: Turner on Nov 10, 05:40 PM 2014
this shows stuff if you shove numbers in col A. Dont know if it helps
Turner this is a 12 unit profit.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 10, 05:50 PM 2014
Turner this is a 12 unit profit.
its formulated, so you can change the numbers.
OK..you have my attention
I think it's very important to take advantage of random in the short term of the 37 spin cycle,this is where all the betting must be done ,any money management must be a this point accurate. As the numbers come out we must repeat the result, and bet in accordance to what the wheel is asking us to bet. Repeats and newbie numbers are the key.
Pay attention when you get the first new number and what happens from there on.
I have to run now daughter has sports it helps me change my mind for a while.i will continue with this later .
Hi Warroir,
Some data attached, not much, winners or losers? :)
Jim
I think I see where you're going with this. Looks good :thumbsup:
So, somewhere around the 20th spin (of tracking) you start
betting the lines with one number in them hoping for a repeat?
Hi Proof,
I'm not sure as Warrior mentions the game can over after 10 spins, I thought it was possibly along the lines of betting lines with one number until 5 lines have been completed, also, once you have and the 2 numbers on that line, it's now longer bet on, Warrior also mentions a 12 unit profit in a reply to Turner....the mystery continues :)
Jim
I've attached some Dublin Bet live spins using Turner's template ( I hope you don't mind Turner ? )
Warrior says that repeats are a bonus , so this leads me to believe that we are betting a line when it appears to try and capture the second appearance but this has been done to death many times, at least from the traditional way of thinking,all sounds very intriguing.
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 11, 03:44 AM 2014
Hi Warroir,
Some data attached, not much, winners or losers? :)
Jim
Jimmy yo would have made 12 units per session . Except for the sixth session line six you have the number 30 that belongs to line 5. Good job.
Quote from: klw on Nov 11, 03:38 PM 2014
I've attached some Dublin Bet live spins using Turner's template ( I hope you don't mind Turner ? )
Warrior says that repeats are a bonus , so this leads me to believe that we are betting a line when it appears to try and capture the second appearance but this has been done to death many times, at least from the traditional way of thinking,all sounds very intriguing.
A repeat is a bonus but I'm not only looking for this. Putting a bet into a formula is what's hard .
Quote from: warrior on Nov 11, 05:16 PM 2014
Jimmy yo would have made 12 units per session . Except for the sixth session line six you have the number 30 that belongs to line 5. Good job.
Hi Warrior,
12 units per session, mmmm, nice return, however, I'm at a loss to try and understand this, more studying required on my part:) Can I ask, are you betting a unit (or units) per each of the 6 numbers on the line, or just a unit (or units) per line, I appreciate there might be a progression involved, however, I'm just trying to understand the bet selection at this stage?
Jim
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 11, 05:45 AM 2014
I think I see where you're going with this. Looks good :thumbsup:
So, somewhere around the 20th spin (of tracking) you start
betting the lines with one number in them hoping for a repeat?
That's a conventional way of thinking but you and I know that this kind of betting will never work.I for one if I have to wait more than 10 spins for anything I will die. BORING ,Proof think on how many times the law of third doesn't work when trying to create a bet for it,but it does exist . Because we're waiting for something to happen syndrome kicks in you have to go in full tilt. Betting starts right a way at the beginning of every cycle. if you don't corner the bets right away you will lose.some food for thought. Regards Warrior
I agree Warrior
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Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, November 13,2014 @ 4:43am CST USA
...12,18,26 (newest spin-value)
[Numbers 12,18,26 are unique to each line]
Bet 12,18,26: 1.) 9(x)-15
[Numbers 18,26 are unique to each line]
Bet 18,26: 2.) 25(x)-10
[Number 18 is unique to its line]
Bet #18: 3.) 19(x)-5
[Numbers 18,19 are unique to each line]
Bet 18,19: 4.) 3(x)-10
[Numbers 3,18,19 are unique to each line]
Bet 3,18,19: 5.) 5(x)-15
[Numbers 18,19 are unique to each line]
Bet 18,19: 6.) 10(x)-10 7.) 22(x)-10
[Number 18 is unique to its line]
Bet #18: 8.) 32(x)-5
[Numbers 18,32 are unique to each line]
Bet 18,32: 9.) 6(x)-10 10.) 18(win)+170
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+80
Proof why are you - 15 ?at the beginning if a 9 was the result don't get it .
Quote from: warrior on Nov 13, 07:41 AM 2014
Proof why are you - 15 ?at the beginning if a 9 was the result don't get it .
I was betting single numbers. Am I to bet the line instead when a number shows?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 13, 07:51 AM 2014
I was betting single numbers. Am I to bet the line instead when a number shows?
Keep working at you will get it.
Wow two people making an effort ,while others sit and wait for the golden nuggets to appear >:(
Quote from: warrior on Nov 13, 07:57 AM 2014
Wow two people making an effort ,while others sit and wait for the golden nuggets to appear >:(
3.....im just not posting until I get close
Quote from: Turner on Nov 13, 08:40 AM 2014
3.....im just not posting until I get close
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3 I like that number it's part of the formula :)
The other day a friend of mine was bragging how he won money playing visuals b . and wanted to prove to his brother that this can be done ,in my mind I thought don't brag this is something I never do. guess what he lost 200$ in about 30 mins table was busy . First rule don't Bragg you will lose although I love Vb .it doesn't work consistently enough for me ,Like Steve would say condition have to be right . What is the right condition ,dealer changes conditions change . My friend would do really well with one dealer and the change happens and wala he always leaves empty .I do ok with visual but it's not my preference of betting . Computers do work always said this but they cost to much for the right one in Steve's opinion his Hybrid is the best and I believe him.
My bet wins a lot more than doing VB . It does have accuracy of prediction but not in a physics way.
Did you know that in all of history of roulette that 37/38 numbers have never come out hmm.
Have you ever notice that all the casino advertising they show everyone laughing and winning lots of money,and then you go to the casino and the photos are all young people . You then walk in and guess what it's nothing like that 90% are seniors . What a crock of poo poo . How they take advantage .
Quote from: warrior on Nov 10, 11:08 AM 2014
Nothing like old fashion paper and pen ^-^
Well if you can win 30 sessions without a loss this is the GOAL. :wink:
Not once but for the rest of your life :thumbsup:
Are you suggesting it's one of the 4 CEH bets Warrior ?
Or is this quote just a blast from the past ?
O0
The same night my friend lost there was this guy Indian fellow very nice but huge Gambler he would watched me play for last year and over he came to our terminal and ask me a ? Do you know how many odd black numbers there are in roulette ,honestly I want to tell him what the Hell are you gambling for when you don't even know how many black odd numbers there are . So I told how many there were and all the others to go with it.he call me a guru in front of my buddy,I said I ain't no guru ,then he says yes I watch you play all the time the you bet is is good no chance of losing all your money , ok you can call me what ever you want ,teach me he says and that night I was plaing with visuals ,I beat my my friend by the way betting 5$ bets , so he wants me to teach him Vb I'm like sorry this ain't school and this is something that take research and time that's what you need do .
Yes he said your right I will stop gambling for now . I never expected this person to come to me that night asking for advice ,usually I do not take part in conversation with people when playing but I had mad my money so that was fine.
Guys,
I've been chatting a bit with Warrioir regrding my thoughts and tests; I thought it was something along the lines of the fact after 6 spins, you would expect only 4 of the lines to have a number(s) show, meaning 2 of the lines would not have numbers showing, therefore, I thought you are aiming to fill 4 of the lines in or around no more than 12 spins. Warrior advised I was on the right track, and then there is the recent comment about the number 3 being important.....could it be we always bet 3 lines, and where possible include the lines that have a number already show. The target is 12 units and there is progression towards the end....
Any thoughst are welcome :)
Regards
Jim
Hi Jim
I like any empty chart, like turners way numbers incolumn A.
Warrior is turners 12 units won by the 7th spin.
Quote from: ddarko on Nov 13, 11:00 AM 2014
Are you suggesting it's one of the 4 CEH bets Warrior ?
Or is this quote just a blast from the past ?
O0
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30 session means something different to every one I have test system until I fall asleep and forget where I was so meaning you don't need to test for 100000 spins and graph mean nothing in this game having graphs of say 750 spins and you see the line line go up at 650 really think of the time you need in a casino to reach that number . Now your comment about CEH at the time we did a lot of work on Vls but with all those people working to find this elusive bet we all came out short but there were a lot of things that the sight had on the game that stuck with me ,I have not lost my house that that would be something positive I got from the info. I stopped testing systems a year ago if I see something I would test it real money in real casino environment ,and see how long it would take to lose my patience .that would tell me if the system was crap usually no more than 72 spins. Being a realist helps to not be blinded by all the crap of gambling that goes around. It's been a long time since Vls days that CEH caused a forum feud that was terrible and a lot of people got scammed by this guy .
I remember that people gave money to be part of a club that never was fruitful , I did make him an offer but he refused . In Sicily that would be a no no . At the time I offered him that if he did not give the bet I would marry his daughter and I would take all his money he refused I did not marry his daughter because i couldn't find him or her just like BET LOL. I knew that his name would come but let me a sure you that this way of playing I found my self with a lot of hard work.
Hi NTP,
Hope you're not getting a nose bleed with the hammers being so high ;)
Warrior advised the sessions I posted in reply #25 also won the 12 units with the exception of the last one due to an error.
Do you have any ideas what it might be?
Jim
The old guys know me so I really don't like to send people on a goose chase but there are guys that jump form system to system without really getting to know the game ,they keep posting and wasting space on forums this thread was meant for brainstorming . When the mind gets stagnant we get sick . Look at Steve he put all his energy in the physics of the game and he's very successful .
I remember Hermes I miss that guy but I used to pick that guys brain all the time he would call me a fox lol but he would give hints on things ,I then would figure it out without even knowing I did it.
Hint Hermes 6 x6 but it's not his way of betting because it loses in short term of cycles. The way of positioning of the bets is key . But getting rid of the carcass is also important .
Quote from: warrior on Nov 13, 11:39 AM 2014
Quote from: ddarko on Nov 13, 11:00 AM 2014
Are you suggesting it's one of the 4 CEH bets Warrior ?
Or is this quote just a blast from the past ?
O0
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30 session means something different to every one I have test system until I fall asleep and forget where I was so meaning you don't need to test for 100000 spins and graph mean nothing in this game having graphs of say 750 spins and you see the line line go up at 650 really think of the time you need in a casino to reach that number . Now your comment about CEH at the time we did a lot of work on Vls but with all those people working to find this elusive bet we all came out short but there were a lot of things that the sight had on the game that stuck with me ,I have not lost my house that that would be something positive I got from the info. I stopped testing systems a year ago if I see something I would test it real money in real casino environment ,and see how long it would take to lose my patience .that would tell me if the system was crap usually no more than 72 spins. Being a realist helps to not be blinded by all the crap of gambling that goes around. It's been a long time since Vls days that CEH caused a forum feud that was terrible and a lot of people got scammed by this guy .
I remember that people gave money to be part of a club that never was fruitful , I did make him an offer but he refused . In Sicily that would be a no no . At the time I offered him that if he did not give the bet I would marry his daughter and I would take all his money he refused I did not marry his daughter because i couldn't find him or her just like BET LOL. I knew that his name would come but let me a sure you that this way of playing I found my self with a lot of hard work.
Right, so your not suggesting it's one of the four bets :thumbsup:
I followed what you posted over at vls at the time, so I know you tried hard to find those bets. BTW, just because people got turned down for the club, it doesn't mean there isn't a club.
All the money got you was a chance to JOIN the club.
Thanks for getting back to me
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Nov 13, 11:56 AM 2014
Right, so your not suggesting it's one of the four bets :thumbsup:
I followed what you posted over at vls at the time, so I know you tried hard to find those bets. BTW, just because people got turned down for the club, it doesn't mean there isn't a club.
All the money got you was a chance to JOIN the club.
Thanks for getting back to me
O0
That's true but the real offer I made joking aside I would give him a % of what I would make, signed document for security if the bet was revealed to me but he turned it down .RED FLAG where I come from .
Any thing done with bank transfers in my view it should be taken with caution .
Quote from: warrior on Nov 13, 12:05 PM 2014
That's true but the real offer I made joking aside I would give him a % of what I would make, signed document for security ,but he turned it down .RED FLAG where I come from .
I'm not saying I'm right warrior, but it's possible. Your red flag comment is totally understandable :thumbsup:
I made some more points about it here :-
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3943.msg95471#msg95471 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3943.msg95471#msg95471)
On the off chance anybody is interested......
O0
If betting starts straight away as you have to catch them early,then we must be talking line repeats,they often repeat after 1 or 2 new lines have appeared and this for me is where profit is most likely to be made.if you start adding a chip looking for the number repeat as well then bets will soon mount up and profit will be depend on a number repeating at some stage. This May or may not be the basis of the system but to my limited thinking lol I don't see what else it can be. I also believe there is a second part to the system , I've no idea what this is but have noticed a sweet spot ( from limited observations ) around spins 12 to 16 where we often get a line hitting for a second time. Is any of this correct or close Warrior. ?
Ok I'm back for a little while. Your on the right track. a line will repeat but we can not look at line in that sense you must look at all 37 numbers and what happens with a cycle. The roulette wheel is like a cup and the ball is water once the ball hits the numbers it becomes the cup or in this case the wheel.
The cup only gets full after it's made 37 spins then we empty it and start over.
One has to ask him self what happens at the end of 37 spin and reverse that and wala you got it .
Recap the law of third states that in 37/38 spin there will be so many repeats 1 2 or 3 time and there will be numbers that come out once and there will be a third that won't show .
Now does any one know the ones that won't show of coarse not , the casinos would shut the table down for ever . It's the last 12 to 14 numbers that don't show is the key to winning . Hitting on one of these numbers will make you a winner.
There's 3 parts to the bet for the ones needing to know . The first stage is all flat bet , second stage May or may not require progression , third stage just to pass the time wagering so I don't get bored,or just leave for a break.
Flat bet on the repeats until you have 4 complete lines, then bet on the remaining 2 with a progression until a fith line fills then start over. I'm thinking you are intially taking advantage of the repeats, then taking advantage of the "sleepers". You could try and fill all 6 however one of the streets might not complete, or, flat bet until you have 3 complete (as you mentioned 3 being of interest) then bet the remaining 3.....if this isn't close I'm stumped ???
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 13, 04:45 PM 2014
Flat bet on the repeats until you have 4 complete lines, then bet on the remaining 2 with a progression until a fith line fills then start over. I'm thinking you are intially taking advantage of the repeats, then taking advantage of the "sleepers". You could try and fill all 6 however one of the streets might not complete, or, flat bet until you have 3 complete (as you mentioned 3 being of interest) then bet the remaining 3.....if this isn't close I'm stumped ???
That method doesnt give me 12u on my example though.
I can get 12u with a very nice idea...still working on it.
its better than sudoku I suppose
Ok 12 units is a win goal some times it might be more depends on the odds I'm betting it's not always equall . Now the 3 is a stop win . So therefore i would never give all my winnings back for the session .
There is a time where I'm in deficit and progression gets me out or I kill by half . So when I am about to finish a session I'm in profit every time.
I don't see session from Any one how am I suppose to help you.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 13, 05:54 PM 2014
I don't see session from Any one how am I suppose to help you.
Quid pro quo?
perhaps give us a few actuals, say 5, and tell us what won and where it stopped
like, 2,14,22,22,15,1,2,33,36,0,0,2,8,0 ..this was 6u
btw..I win 15u with my own unrelated method here... :-)
Quote from: warrior on Nov 13, 03:55 PM 2014
Recap the law of third states that in 37/38 spin there will be so many repeats 1 2 or 3 time and there will be numbers that come out once and there will be a third that won't show .
Now does any one know the ones that won't show of coarse not , the casinos would shut the table down for ever . It's the last 12 to 14 numbers that don't show is the key to winning . Hitting on one of these numbers will make you a winner.
Hitting on one of these numbers will make you a winner. Correct Warrior
Turner your numbers in reply 19 could be +16 units by 9 th spin
I've done same mods on the XLS now guys u can visualize what's happen in the 37 spins cycle.
Can anyone spot something interesting? From spins 23,24,25 to spin 37 ?
Feel free to replace the RNG Spins for real spins, or just press "F9" to refresh data.
Cheers
Quote from: Turner on Nov 13, 06:08 PM 2014
Quid pro quo?
perhaps give us a few actuals, say 5, and tell us what won and where it stopped
like, 2,14,22,22,15,1,2,33,36,0,0,2,8,0 ..this was 6u
btw..I win 15u with my own unrelated method here... :-)
Turner this is incomplete your missing 2 nd and 5th line so there is no profit with my way of betting.
Quote from: Orochi on Nov 13, 08:48 PM 2014
I've done same mods on the XLS now guys u can visualize what's happen in the 37 spins cycle.
Can anyone spot something interesting? From spins 23,24,25 to spin 37 ?
Feel free to replace the RNG Spins for real spins, or just press "F9" to refresh data.
Cheers
Here are the results you made 20 units by the 19 spins very good.
Starting from the second spin I believe that you guys will figure this out.
+ 5 +4 +3 +1 -2 +1 -1 -7. -23 -41 + 15 + 20 good job
Guys I will be back on Sunday .
Guys,
Having looked back at some of the data and "clues", I think you are initially betting on the lines to repeat up to a certain point, once you have a certain number of lines complete (3?), you then start betting on the numbers within the uncompleted lines, and when you have 1 uncompleted line left, you can either bet just bet the line (not the numbers) until it fills, or, if you have reached your target stop, likewise, if you have reached your target with betting just the lines in the first stage, no need to move to betting the numbers on the uncompleted lines, start over.
Warrior has hinted at the number 3 being relevant, sleeping numbers (law of the third), and there being different stages to this system, also, in the last example where there is a win of 20 untis after 19 spins, there is a stage where a +56 win occurs, which makes me think individual numbers are being bet to get this return.....
I'm going to my local B&M casino tonight as well, and was hoping to have this figured out by then :)
Jim
Guys
I have also been looking at it quietly; However, I can't figure out the real solution
for the puzzle.
One question to start with....I Wonder do u think this method is valid only for hit & run style
of play....? Or can it be played continiously without having an adverse impact on the result...??
Thanks.
There are same ways to play.
Just one play style is betting on the repeated numbers for the last 14-12 spins.
@ Orochi
For how many times do u think we should bet on repeated nos of the
last 14 -16 spins.....??
Observe the repeater numbers until spin 22-24.
U can easy calculate the average of repeats until spin 22-24
They should be 5-6 numbers.
Bet them until hit, for the remain spins until a complete cycle of 37 is completed.
U can have some "IFs" when u are in the betting sequence.
You can bet also new repeaters that can appear.
@ Orochi
Thanks for the reply. I will give it a try.
Hi Warrior
Could you tell me the profit on my 37 spins?
Thanks
Just add new tracker version
Hi Orochi -- Thanks for the tracker , looks interesting. It wont let me enter any spins , it seems to be in protected view , is this intentional or how do we proceed to use it ?
Many thanks.
U need do enable edit mode.
Hello everyone hope your having a nice weekend.
Oroki you are off track your thinking is conventional . This way of betting is Dinosaur way no offence.
You have no idea if those numbers will repeat this is how you get caught chasing . For something that you think will happen ,but It doesn't .
Quote from: Badger on Nov 15, 08:48 AM 2014
Hi Warrior
Could you tell me the profit on my 37 spins?
Thanks
This one very easy session very profitable.
Quote from: Orochi on Nov 14, 06:45 AM 2014
There are same ways to play.
Just one play style is betting on the repeated numbers for the last 14-12 spins.
Roulette is to random to play like this.
You take advantage of the difference and the same of every spin and corner the numbers as fast as you can and end the session . If you can't figure this out you will LOSE .
Hi Orochi -- Some strange goings on at my end with Excel but no problems now its working , many thanks.
1. Everyone should start with 37 numbers omit the 0 it has no place in my way of betting.
2. What happens in a cycle .
3 Find way to place your bets in order that they have an advantage.
4. If you spin for 10 spins how many of those are unique numbers and how many are repeat. This is only example. In 100000 spins it would be roughly 24% repeat . And 93% unique.
So if we take within the first 7 spins how many uniques would there be and if you spun for 3 more spins you would have a 98% chance that you will hit numbers that has not repeated .
5. My thinking is you try to catch the numbers that are unique and the repeats and corner them as fast as you can.
Now work with this the bets are there you just have to use your brain.
Hi Warrior
Am I on the right track? I'm betting on uniques to come in.
To badger And all BIG TIP.
Look on bringing the end to the beginning !!
I just caugth up with this thread today... Haven't been on the forum for some time. I'll try to read all the posts before, but can someone wrap up the idea here?
I see it's based on a fact I still have some hopes in exploiting, a 37 spincycle will have a minimum of 5 unhit numbers (but usually more)... I know, I analysed billions of series in excel sheets, absolute minimum was 5, and its a very very rare occurence...
At the time, I figured out a formula for MM betting repeaters, that would always break even or bring proffit in a 37 spin cycle, as long as we had no less then the 5 unhit numbers in that 37 spins cycle, but BR and table limmits would have to be huge to sustain it sometimes ...
Just digressing, Ill go and read the previous posts...
Quote from: warrior on Nov 16, 02:59 PM 2014
Hello everyone hope your having a nice weekend.
Oroki you are off track your thinking is conventional . This way of betting is Dinosaur way no offence.
You have no idea if those numbers will repeat this is how you get caught chasing . For something that you think will happen ,but It doesn't .
Hi Warrior, i play roulette for many years, and my bet method is based on "The Law of the Third", i can win 100% of my sessions.
What i have post was just a play style maybe it can work or not.
But if people can look at the tracker, and think outside of the box, maybe can find the way of play it right.
What your trying do Oroki is take advantage of the repeats but if you don't know when those repeats are going to happen where is the advantage ,
Warrior, answer me. cause i cant' understand the way u are thinking
Is easier to catch the repeaters or the uniques ???
An example:
after 18 spins u can have 17 uniques 1 repeater
what u going to do the remain 19 spins ?
bet the remain uniques
bet the repeat numbers
cause in 18 spins u have the perfect picture.
Don't get me wrong but if u bet more them 6 numbers you are in the wrong road.
Orochi I corner all the unique and the repeats. The repeats are a bonus if catch them but it's not my main focus.
And for the last 19 spins I hope I don't get there I will go and order a scotch .
6 numbers can sleep a very long time and there is no way to take advantage of this ,only if you play VB I have very good hits with this method but I don't care for it.if I'm going to do this I would by the hybrid computer off Steve but that's a morgage.
Whats funny is i already gave you guys where to look .Ok one more time .
Your camping but have no way of washing cloths so what do you do with dirty underware you turn it inside out wala there's your way of taking advantage of this game,like I said in 37 spins you don't know the 12 to 14 numbers that are going to sleep . THINK UNDERWARE.
I remember someone saying if you discovered the holygrail would you tell anyone , HELL YA ,fukc the casino pardon my French .
@Warrrior
I have been following the thread with great interest. Thanks for the system. I have one question
can the system be played continiously for example for a full cycle of 37 spins or is it a hit & run style
of play.....?? Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 16, 06:42 PM 2014
@Warrrior
I have been following the thread with great interest. Thanks for the system. I have one question
can the system be played continiously for example for a full cycle of 37 spins or is it a hit & run style
of play.....?? Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
It can go for a full cycle but there are other times it's cut short, this is where you take a break.
Warrior, I'm back from the local casino and my head is "spinning", and thy to understand they way u look at the game.
Can u please analyze this 37 spins cycle.
@ Warrior - Thanks for the reply, I will continue my analysis.
Cheers
Chris
Hi Warrior! I am just stumbling upon this thread and it's exactly what I'm into and am so intrigued by. I really do think the Law of the Third is the answer to winning in roulette both in the short and long term and I absolutely know there has to be a way to exploit it to the best possible way consistently and effectively. I'm doing my best to understand your system but still feel like I'm missing a couple of points. Do you start your first betting session after an initial 37 spins or are you able to start betting pretty much immediately? I was wondering if first, I am doing this right and second if you could analyze how you would of done on these spins. I stopped after I had 2 new numbers in every double street. I believe that is what you were looking for. Thanks and I appreciate your time in doing all this and helping everyone out.
1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36
4 12 18 21 27 31
3 8 15 23 30 34
1 16 21 29 32
15 23 34
13 19 31
18
15
17
17
It took me 27 spins in this instance to get 2 new number hits in every double street.
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 14, 04:49 AM 2014
Guys,
Having looked back at some of the data and "clues", I think you are initially betting on the lines to repeat up to a certain point, once you have a certain number of lines complete (3?), you then start betting on the numbers within the uncompleted lines, and when you have 1 uncompleted line left, you can either bet just bet the line (not the numbers) until it fills, or, if you have reached your target stop, likewise, if you have reached your target with betting just the lines in the first stage, no need to move to betting the numbers on the uncompleted lines, start over.
Warrior has hinted at the number 3 being relevant, sleeping numbers (law of the third), and there being different stages to this system, also, in the last example where there is a win of 20 untis after 19 spins, there is a stage where a +56 win occurs, which makes me think individual numbers are being bet to get this return.....
I'm going to my local B&M casino tonight as well, and was hoping to have this figured out by then :)
Jim
Hi Warrior,
Didn't get anytime over the weekend to look at roulette, back to looking at this system over the next day, or, two, and will post some results, in the meantime, can you confirm if I'm on the right track, or, is it back to the "drawing board"?
Regards
Jim
Ok, I read it all... But it's not completely clear, somethings here are a bit ambiguous and can be understood and played in slightly different ways... or maybe in some way that I'm not even considering right now...
Badger any good or was it totally wrong
I ignored this thread because it said RX testers needed and I can't code my way out of a paper bag. It was brought to my attention and now I'm caught in your spider web :thumbsup:.
You said that two unique numbers closes a street and we cross it out. You also said that your method takes advantage of the repeats and new numbers. The only way that makes sense to me is to play the entire street and not inside numbers. Putting those two clues together, it seems that you start betting a street once it gets it's first hit (turns on) and then continue to bet it until it gets the second unique number (turns off). Playing each street with its own progression wouldn't be that hard.
I am intrigued by your initial post that asked how many times streets only hit twice. Only could be "just" as in a minimum or "exactly" two. Those are two different concepts based on your premise. Streets can sleep for 37 and they can get a single hit even more frequently than that. That said, MOST of the time, there are at least two hits. The second hit cannot possibly come until you have gotten your first, so I think you are trying to play the sweet spot between when the line comes alive and when you don't want to press your luck.
Good morning to everyone .I can see your brains are hurting I know the feeling.
Orochi your session was complete by the 15 spin profit was made .
Tip there will always be numbers missing at the end of a cycle you need to look at this an try to create a bet that would make this fit into formula .
It's easy when you find it but hard because you can't see the forest for the trees . The numbers are the trees ,11 to 12 of them will be hard for the wheel not to seed on every session. These 11 to 12 numbers always change from sessions to session but there is always an opportunity to make bets .
Quote from: Colbster on Nov 17, 08:41 AM 2014
I ignored this thread because it said RX testers needed and I can't code my way out of a paper bag. It was brought to my attention and now I'm caught in your spider web :thumbsup:.
You said that two unique numbers closes a street and we cross it out. You also said that your method takes advantage of the repeats and new numbers. The only way that makes sense to me is to play the entire street and not inside numbers. Putting those two clues together, it seems that you start betting a street once it gets it's first hit (turns on) and then continue to bet it until it gets the second unique number (turns off). Playing each street with its own progression wouldn't be that hard.
I am intrigued by your initial post that asked how many times streets only hit twice. Only could be "just" as in a minimum or "exactly" two. Those are two different concepts based on your premise. Streets can sleep for 37 and they can get a single hit even more frequently than that. That said, MOST of the time, there are at least two hits. The second hit cannot possibly come until you have gotten your first, so I think you are trying to play the sweet spot between when the line comes alive and when you don't want to press your luck.
Wow that's good the only thing the lines don't have there own progression that's to confusing.
@ Warrior
Would u please tell me if the win goal of 12 units would have been achieved……? If yes, by which spin….? Thanks.
No. DS
6 1
25 5
5 1
16 3
17 3
24 4
24 4
20 4
21 4
8 2
1 1
35 6
17 3
13 3
16 3
8 2
8 2
21 4
4 1
11 2
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: warrior on Nov 17, 09:27 AM 2014
Good morning to everyone .I can see your brains are hurting I know the feeling.
Orochi your session was complete by the 15 spin profit was made .
Tip there will always be numbers missing at the end of a cycle you need to look at this an try to create a bet that would make this fit into formula .
It's easy when you find it but hard because you can't see the forest for the trees . The numbers are the trees ,11 to 12 of them will be hard for the wheel not to seed on every session. These 11 to 12 numbers always change from sessions to session but there is always an opportunity to make bets .
Looking at the same example from orochi, I would be in proffit on the 4th spin flat betting on the lines that have come up before... Of course I have no idea if I'm looking at this the same way as you are, and probably I'm not, since you say only proffit at the 15th...
Quote from: vladir on Nov 17, 10:08 AM 2014
Looking at the same example from orochi, I would be in proffit on the 4th spin flat betting on the lines that have come up before... Of course I have no idea if I'm looking at this the same way as you are, and probably I'm not, since you say only proffit at the 15th...
Yes you would be in profit by the 4th keep playing around with it .
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 17, 10:04 AM 2014
@ Warrior
Would u please tell me if the win goal of 12 units would have been achieved……? If yes, by which spin….? Thanks.
No. DS
6 1
25 5
5 1
16 3
17 3
24 4
24 4
20 4
21 4
8 2
1 1
35 6
17 3
13 3
16 3
8 2
8 2
21 4
4 1
11 2
Cheers
Chris session is incomplete I don't have enough spins .37
Oki I put will up the 37 numbers very soon.
@ Warrior
Please see below the full set of 37 numbers.
Spin No. DS
1. 6 1
2. 25 5
3. 5 1
4. 16 3
5. 17 3
6. 24 4
7. 24 4
8. 20 4
9. 21 4
10. 8 2
11 1 1
12. 35 6
13. 17 3
14. 13 3
15. 16 3
16. 8 2
17. 8 2
18. 21 4
19. 4 1
20. 11 2
21. 8 2
23. 34 6
24. 35 6
25. 25 5
26. 1 1
27. 32 6
28. 2 1
29. 26 5
30. 36 6
32. 2 1
33. 16 3
34. 12 2
35. 16 3
36. 33 6
37. 9 2
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chris,
I'm guessing your game might be completed after spin 16, however, you would have been showing a good profits from after spin 3 to after spin 7, as 3 of the lines would have repeated and filled, what were your thoughts?
Also, Warrior hints at reversal, do you think you are waiting for a certain number of lines to fill, and then become empty by those lines having another 2 hits each.
Jim
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 17, 10:37 AM 2014
@ Warrior
Please see below the full set of 37 numbers.
Spin No. DS
1. 6 1
2. 25 5
3. 5 1
4. 16 3
5. 17 3
6. 24 4
7. 24 4
8. 20 4
9. 21 4
10. 8 2
11 1 1
12. 35 6
13. 17 3
14. 13 3
15. 16 3
16. 8 2
17. 8 2
18. 21 4
19. 4 1
20. 11 2
21. 8 2
23. 34 6
24. 35 6
25. 25 5
26. 1 1
27. 32 6
28. 2 1
29. 26 5
30. 36 6
32. 2 1
33. 16 3
34. 12 2
35. 16 3
36. 33 6
37. 9 2
Cheers
Chris
By the 23 spin there's a win but this one was a difficult one but none the less It wins.
@ Warrior
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that by spin 23 the win goal
of 12 units would have been won.....?
Cheers
Chris
Here's is something for you all.
As the lines come in bet on them then when they have 2 numbers this would be complete remove them .this is a big TIP.and try to create a formula from this . Remember the end should be at the beginning .
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 17, 11:00 AM 2014
@ Warrior
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that by spin 23 the win goal
of 12 units would have been won.....?
Cheers
Chris
Yes Chris
The amount of bank needed for this is 2000$
The end should be at the beginning? At the beginning, only one street is hit. We end when there is only one that hasn't hit? At spin 23, 5 have hit at least twice, one is left.
@ Warrior - That's great. Thanks.
One question, do u think that dealer change affects the overall
results....? Or dealer change is irrelevant for this bet selection....?
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: warrior on Nov 17, 11:00 AM 2014
Here's is something for you all.
As the lines come in bet on them then when they have 2 numbers this would be complete remove them .this is a big TIP.and try to create a formula from this . Remember the end should be at the beginning .
Well, the game starts when you have 1 number in one line, therefore, the game ends when you have just the 1 number in a line, this would be the case with this Chris's example, as line 5 hadn't completed, although, had a number present...I think ???
Jim
Quote from: Colbster on Nov 17, 11:20 AM 2014
The end should be at the beginning? At the beginning, only one street is hit. We end when there is only one that hasn't hit? At spin 23, 5 have hit at least twice, one is left.
What I mean by this is that the concept of the law of third will alway have 12 14 # missing this is how you should be thinking that would be the end ,so bring this to the beginning of the session until there is only one line . :thumbsup:
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 17, 11:20 AM 2014
@ Warrior - That's great. Thanks.
One question, do u think that dealer change affects the overall
results....? Or dealer change is irrelevant for this bet selection....?
Cheers
Chris
Not one bit!!
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 17, 11:22 AM 2014
Well, the game starts when you have 1 number in one line, therefore, the game ends when you have just the 1 number in a line, this would be the case with this Chris's example, as line 5 hadn't completed, although, had a number present...I think ???
Jim
When you have 2
I would like to thank everyone for their participation in this .
The number one thing people DESIRE is accomplishment in there lives but they need to do it on their own ,what good would it be if someone handed it to you . This is why I making you guys work for it you all might come to a different way of play after this but the idea will spark a lot of desire . How you end up is up to you. Over ten years of play and finally I can say there is a way to win at this game .
Quote from: warrior on Nov 17, 11:00 AM 2014
Here's is something for you all.
As the lines come in bet on them then when they have 2 numbers this would be complete remove them .this is a big TIP.and try to create a formula from this . Remember the end should be at the beginning .
Ok, thanks, that is a litle bit more specific. However, now I'm more confused then before with that "formula". According to previous posts, I tougth this part would be flatbetting and we would be cornering all bets since the beggining, wich means we play all spins ... So if it is flatbetting and we play all spins since begining until lines are complete, both money management and bet selection are determined - at least for this part. What formula is there to create? To find what?
Quote from: warrior on Nov 17, 11:24 AM 2014
What I mean by this is that the concept of the law of third will alway have 12 14 # missing this is how you should be thinking that would be the end ,so bring this to the beginning of the session until there is only one line . :thumbsup:
Sorry that is not correct according to my tests. 12-14 is just the most probable outcome. Altough extremly rare event, you can have as litle as just 5 missing numbers at the end of a 37 spin cycle.I haven't fully understood your idea, but if it is dependent on the 12-14 range, it will crash...
Quote from: vladir on Nov 17, 11:52 AM 2014
Sorry that is not correct according to my tests. 12-14 is just the most probable outcome. Altough extremly rare event, you can have as litle as just 5 missing numbers at the end of a 37 spin cycle.I haven't fully understood your idea, but if it is dependent on the 12-14 range, it will crash...
Only if your in a plane that's not maintained . Then maybe it will crash. :'(
@ Warrior,
Couple of sessions attached, can you let me know if they are winners, and if so, on what spin, thanks.
@ Orochi
Thanks for the spreadsheet in the format :)
.
Think i'll get me axe see if we can shed some light on this
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 17, 10:37 AM 2014
@ Warrior
Please see below the full set of 37 numbers.
Spin No. DS
1. 6 1
2. 25 5
3. 5 1
4. 16 3
5. 17 3
6. 24 4
7. 24 4
8. 20 4
9. 21 4
10. 8 2
11 1 1
12. 35 6
13. 17 3
14. 13 3
15. 16 3
16. 8 2
17. 8 2
18. 21 4
19. 4 1
20. 11 2
21. 8 2
23. 34 6
24. 35 6
25. 25 5
26. 1 1
27. 32 6
28. 2 1
29. 26 5
30. 36 6
32. 2 1
33. 16 3
34. 12 2
35. 16 3
36. 33 6
37. 9 2
Cheers
Chris
Thats only 35.....there no spin 22 or 31
Good pick Turner, I will post another set of 37 numbers
later on.....
Perhaps a spreadsheet with this layout could make it clearer where the betting is taking place?
What happens when 2 numbers come out in a double street but the 3rd comes out 20 spins later?
So assuming that you bet on a street when 2 numbers come up in that street.
When you get a hit you close that street down.
Session ends when a number comes up in the last street.
So my session ends at spin 16 with -3 units.
I'm obviously misunderstanding something.
Guys, have u watched that when a repeater appear in double street, always produce a number on the same double street, in the 37 spin cycle.
Orachi what do you mean? Example?
Hello Warrior,
Congratulation on your success. Your 10 years of hard work finally paid off.
I have been testing and trying to figure out your method for the past few days.
Thank you very much for your hint and answers to members question.
I believe everyone is working very hard trying to figure out your way in order to duplicate your success.
Do you need a progression to play this system of yours?
Regards and best wishes.
Badger both session were profitable.
Quote from: sniper on Nov 18, 05:55 AM 2014
Hello Warrior,
Congratulation on your success. Your 10 years of hard work finally paid off.
I have been testing and trying to figure out your method for the past few days.
Thank you very much for your hint and answers to members question.
I believe everyone is working very hard trying to figure out your way in order to duplicate your success.
Do you need a progression to play this system of yours?
Regards and best wishes.
Yes there is progression but when I was constructing the bet on lines I would flat bet each line as it would come in ,but this will and will not always give you a profit .so the progression helps.
Hello Warrior,
Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
Regards
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 17, 02:08 PM 2014
@ Warrior,
Couple of sessions attached, can you let me know if they are winners, and if so, on what spin, thanks.
@ Orochi
Thanks for the spreadsheet in the format :)
25 th spin there is a win . :thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on Nov 18, 07:12 AM 2014
25 th spin there is a win . :thumbsup:
Hi Warrior,
Thanks for coming back to me, I made a bit of an error when I was attaching both files, I hope you don't mind, I've attached both again, can you confirm if they both win and when, from your previous post I think it's test 1 which wins at spin 25, I think test 2 might be a losing session due to the forth line not completing until spin 35, and the fifth line not completing within the 37 spins?
Jim
What would you bet for the next spin after getting something like this?
spin result (line)
33 (6)
15 (3)
26 (5)
19 (4)
3 (1)
9 (2)
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 18, 08:55 AM 2014
Hi Warrior,
Thanks for coming back to me, I made a bit of an error when I was attaching both files, I hope you don't mind, I've attached both again, can you confirm if they both win and when, from your previous post I think it's test 1 which wins at spin 25, I think test 2 might be a losing session due to the forth line not completing until spin 35, and the fifth line not completing within the 37 spins?
Jim
The second session completed at spin 32 # 19 even for me it would of been a hard session but it's still wins. You will have session like this but I'am so confident that this won't lose in the long of your roulette life.
Quote from: vladir on Nov 18, 08:59 AM 2014
What would you bet for the next spin after getting something like this?
spin result (line)
33 (6)
15 (3)
26 (5)
19 (4)
3 (1)
9 (2)
I have had many session with those outcomes , that you will have to figure out for yourself.
Out come profit!!
Thanks Warrior,
So, even after a line is "crossed out", it's coming back into play at some stage......?
Jim
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 18, 10:16 AM 2014
Thanks Warrior,
So, even after a line is "crossed out", it's coming back into play at some stage......?
Jim
Jim re read I have posted this already :thumbsup:
Here is how I see it so far. The early part is flat betting for line repeats. Warrior has already stated that it may or may not bring a profit and I agree , I think Warrior only bets here through ( already admitted ) boredom lol. The real meat of the system for me is capturing the second appearance of some combination of lines 4/5/6 , I'm leaning towards the 5th and 6th lines to hit for a second time as his sessions seem to often finish between approx. spin 15 and spin 25 , these cover the sweet spots for the second appearance of the fifth and sixth appearing lines. Now trying to capture a repeat number to win a session is a bit risky as they dont happen often enough to rely on them but capturing a unique number would be more realistic but I have absolutely no clue how these can be predicted unless you go for 5 or 6 numbers in the line ( maybe cut out bets for the repeat ) . There may well be something else that I've missed but just hope it spurs someone else on so we can solve this.
Passing the time is crucial yesterday the dealer and me were in kind of a mind war . I'm the only player at the touch bet she started ok spinning every 45 seconds great for my method but she notice at times I was not betting. Well 3 to 5 min.wait now the curses begins I can't stand for this I said would you spin the wheel already I was a little rude but none the less I'm not there to look at either .
Quote from: klw on Nov 18, 02:44 PM 2014
Here is how I see it so far. The early part is flat betting for line repeats. Warrior has already stated that it may or may not bring a profit and I agree , I think Warrior only bets here through ( already admitted ) boredom lol. The real meat of the system for me is capturing the second appearance of some combination of lines 4/5/6 , I'm leaning towards the 5th and 6th lines to hit for a second time as his sessions seem to often finish between approx. spin 15 and spin 25 , these cover the sweet spots for the second appearance of the fifth and sixth appearing lines. Now trying to capture a repeat number to win a session is a bit risky as they dont happen often enough to rely on them but capturing a unique number would be more realistic but I have absolutely no clue how these can be predicted unless you go for 5 or 6 numbers in the line ( maybe cut out bets for the repeat ) . There may well be something else that I've missed but just hope it spurs someone else on so we can solve this.
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The repeats will take care of them self when you move the bets to there right place.
@ Warrior - And what happened afterwards mate......Did u manage milk her......??
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 18, 03:42 PM 2014
@ Warrior - And what happened afterwards mate......Did u manage milk her......??
Yes I did for 2 session.then I left I was bored lol
Well done.
" The repeats will take care of them self when you move the bets to there right place. "
If that is the case then I do not understand the system properly because if we are just waiting for a second appearance of a line and also a repeat number then they do not appear every session so can not be relied on as a target to win EVERY session. Maybe someone else has a better theory ?
Hi Warrior
Would u please tell me if the win goal of 12 units would have been achieved……? And by which spin….? Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Spin No. DS
1. 1 1
2. 22 4
3. 22 4
4. 17 3
5. 34 6
6. 26 5
7. 32 6
8. 22 4
9. 0 N/A
10. 35 6
11 28 5
12. 19 4
13. 4 1
14. 22 4
15. 21 4
16. 10 2
17. 27 5
18. 35 6
19. 9 2
20. 27 5
21. 2 1
22 3 1
23. 32 6
24. 27 5
25. 17 3
26. 2 1
27. 15 3
28. 35 6
29. 19 4
30. 32 6
31 35 6
32. 34 6
33. 0 N/A
34. 2 1
35. 5 1
36. 34 6
37. 16 3
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 18, 05:16 PM 2014
Hi Warrior
Would u please tell me if the win goal of 12 units would have been achieved……? And by which spin….? Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Spin No. DS
1. 1 1
2. 22 4
3. 22 4
4. 17 3
5. 34 6
6. 26 5
7. 32 6
8. 22 4
9. 0 N/A
10. 35 6
11 28 5
12. 19 4
13. 4 1
14. 22 4
15. 21 4
16. 10 2
17. 27 5
18. 35 6
19. 9 2
20. 27 5
21. 2 1
22 3 1
23. 32 6
24. 27 5
25. 17 3
26. 2 1
27. 15 3
28. 35 6
29. 19 4
30. 32 6
31 35 6
32. 34 6
33. 0 N/A
34. 2 1
35. 5 1
36. 34 6
37. 16 3
Yes this win by the 13 spin.
Repeats and changes of number make this bet win.
And like I said on they other thread don't believe what people say about if the bet is good progression is not needed that's a crock and fallacy in its self. you give away a % each spin in casino games .Therefore there is no way this would work.BANKROLL is key.
Think about this how much do you think enough bankroll is .for ex. Black jack 5000$ do think that's enough ? If you think that's to much just pay attention next time when the security guard brigs up the cash the 5000$ I mention they do a few times a night .So if you think you can win flat bet go head .
@ Warrior
Thanks for the reply and your guidance. For the above example, would it be possible to advise
what is the maximum unit size u had to bet to win by the 13 spin, thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 18, 07:56 PM 2014
@ Warrior
Thanks for the reply and your guidance. For the above example, would it be possible to advise
what is the maximum unit size u had to bet to win by the 13 spin, thanks.
Cheers
Chris
[/quote
4 units
Tip: By putting a chip on each line that comes in and removing it as they show will give an idea on how random can be your friend , this is the first part , you need to pay attention on what goes on when you make MOVES like this . The key to the bet is in this first part. Get this right and you can win for a long time.
Tip: 2 the repeats will happen you don't need to look for them .
@ Warrior
Thanks for the reply and for the tips. I will continue analysing the bet selection.
Cheers
Chris
The bet selection seems fairly straight forward at this point. Bet each street that shows until you get a second unique number for that street, then stop betting that street. This is how the repeats are your friend. Continue betting each newly activated dozen until you only have one street left with one hit.
Opps! Answered my own question....
Can't delete posts, huh?
TwoCat
but what progression?
at spin at spin 6 for example we are betting 5 ds and we are in minus
Quote from: warrior on Nov 18, 07:28 PM 2014
Yes this win by the 13 spin.
Repeats and changes of number make this bet win.
Hi Warrior,
Ref Chris's game, just to confirm does it win after the 12th spin (not after the 13th), meaning there would have been 11 bets with WL registry of LWLLLWWLLWW?
Also, you've mentioned in the past the number 3 being important, in this game after 12 spins, 3 of the streets would have completed after spin 12, therefore, I'm thinking if you are ahead at this point, you do not need to go to "stage 2". If you do have to go to stage 2, you've hinted at reversing/going back the way/undoing what you've done/the end is the beginning, would you then be looking at some sort of bets with the completed streets, or even possibly starting over with lines which have a number showing?
Jim
On this topic, I have analyzed 1.000.000 random numbers between 0-36. I can say that we always get a minimum of 4 lines with at least 2 numbers on each in a 37 cycle.
So, how to exploit this? I'm not sure of warriors way of playing, but taking some ideas from what has been said up till now, this is a way to approach it (Attention, this is not warrior's way of betting!):
phase 1 - we flat bet 1 unit in each line that has 1 single number hit on them until the line has 2 numbers hit. We stop after having 3 lines with 2 or more numbers on them. In the event that we have 4 or more lines with a single number on them, we stop betting and wait until we can continue with phase 1 or phase 1 is over because 3 lines have got their 2 numbers hit. When phase 1 is over, evaluate if we are in profit. If yes, start a new phase 1. If not, go to phase 2 (or go to phase 2 anyway if you like to try and increase profits).
phase 2 - we will now use a progression. At least a 4th line will have 2 numbers hit before the 37 cycle ends and thats what we are aiming to. We will only bet the lines that have 1 number hit on them: this means we sometimes will have to wait until a line qualifies, or that we will be betting 1, 2 or 3 lines, depending if they have or not 1 number hit on them. A sligthly different formula is required for each case. This second phase may end up requiring a big BR...
@ Vladir - Thanks for your analysis.
However, at post 158 Warrior indicates that by spin 13 the maximum unit he was betting was 4.
Therefore, I don't think that he is flatbetting.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 19, 07:21 AM 2014
@ Vladir - Thanks for your analysis.
However, at post 158 Warrior indicates that by spin 13 the maximum unit he was betting was 4.
Therefore, I don't think that he is flatbetting.
Cheers
Chris
What I suggested is not warrior's betting way. It's something different. Warriors way is still a puzzle to me.
Oki I see, thanks.
Quote from: vladir on Nov 19, 07:10 AM 2014
On this topic, I have analyzed 1.000.000 random numbers between 0-36. I can say that we always get a minimum of 4 lines with at least 2 numbers on each in a 37 cycle.
So, how to exploit this? I'm not sure of warriors way of playing, but taking some ideas from what has been said up till now, this is a way to approach it (Attention, this is not warrior's way of betting!):
phase 1 - we flat bet 1 unit in each line that has 1 single number hit on them until the line has 2 numbers hit. We stop after having 3 lines with 2 or more numbers on them. In the event that we have 4 or more lines with a single number on them, we stop betting and wait until we can continue with phase 1 or phase 1 is over because 3 lines have got their 2 numbers hit. When phase 1 is over, evaluate if we are in profit. If yes, start a new phase 1. If not, go to phase 2 (or go to phase 2 anyway if you like to try and increase profits).
phase 2 - we will now use a progression. At least a 4th line will have 2 numbers hit before the 37 cycle ends and thats what we are aiming to. We will only bet the lines that have 1 number hit on them: this means we sometimes will have to wait until a line qualifies, or that we will be betting 1, 2 or 3 lines, depending if they have or not 1 number hit on them. A sligthly different formula is required for each case. This second phase may end up requiring a big BR...
Hi Vladir,
I know you don't think this is Warrior's way, however, I do think this maybe close....
Jim
Quote from: vladir on Nov 19, 07:10 AM 2014
On this topic, I have analyzed 1.000.000 random numbers between 0-36. I can say that we always get a minimum of 4 lines with at least 2 numbers on each in a 37 cycle.
So, how to exploit this? I'm not sure of warriors way of playing, but taking some ideas from what has been said up till now, this is a way to approach it (Attention, this is not warrior's way of betting!):
phase 1 - we flat bet 1 unit in each line that has 1 single number hit on them until the line has 2 numbers hit. We stop after having 3 lines with 2 or more numbers on them. In the event that we have 4 or more lines with a single number on them, we stop betting and wait until we can continue with phase 1 or phase 1 is over because 3 lines have got their 2 numbers hit. When phase 1 is over, evaluate if we are in profit. If yes, start a new phase 1. If not, go to phase 2 (or go to phase 2 anyway if you like to try and increase profits).
phase 2 - we will now use a progression. At least a 4th line will have 2 numbers hit before the 37 cycle ends and thats what we are aiming to. We will only bet the lines that have 1 number hit on them: this means we sometimes will have to wait until a line qualifies, or that we will be betting 1, 2 or 3 lines, depending if they have or not 1 number hit on them. A sligthly different formula is required for each case. This second phase may end up requiring a big BR...
NOW YOUR THINKING !!!
Vladir I'm Warming up to you .The way to take advantage like I said in the beginning of the tread is at the beginning of every cycle .
If you think on what you said to me on the ex .sometimes all 6 lines will appear therefore you have to use Commonsense .this is what you have done good job.
The only flaw in roulette is law of third with the numbers ,not the lines they show every six spin all them at times but not the numbers ,they hold true to the law.
NOW WORK WITH THIS you all will come to different way but the idea is what matters .forget all this pattern base system those are all illusions they don't exist .
If you haven't found what I'm trying to say on all this interesting that's fine I'm not here to entertain just trying to get everyone thinking about roulette again ,the forum has become stagnant with the same old systems going around and around one should use Commonsense to see if these system have been used before and not repost the same old crap.
I hope I have sparked some interest but for now I need to get back to my family commitment .I will be gone for a little take warrior.
One more thing keep working at it you will find the way to bet this and make it profitable for you .
You won't need anything else focus on one thing and do it right that's the only way.
Does warrior perhaps formulate a new progression after each of the first few lines have hit their 2nd number - depending on whether there was a new high? Or does he keep putting a new chip on each line in the early stages until it has its 2nd number? Perhaps he then winds down waiting for the 4th line to hit nearer to the end? In other words "end = beginning" means to do all your progression near the beginning?
Just a collection of clues before speculation on a bet selection begins. First just trying to understand the clues.
"This idea will try and avoid sleepers towards the end of the cycle" ~ Warrior
Do you also try to avoid sleepers toward the beginning of the cycle?
"It's the last 12 to 14 numbers that don't show is the key to winning . Hitting on one of these numbers will make you a winner." ~Warrior
How do you hit on a number that does not show and/or is not expected to show, while at the same time trying to avoid numbers that don't show? This seems a contradiction. Was there a mistype?
"Pay attention when you get the first new number and what happens from there on." ~ Warrior
It seems to me the first new number would be the very first spin! Or, do you mean the first time you get the second unique number in a line?
"Betting starts right a way at the beginning of every cycle. if you don't corner the bets right away you will lose." ~ Warrior
So betting starts right after the first spin? Or, you bet just enough to get the wheel spinning?
At this point in the thread, perhaps speculation on bet selection is not yet invited. Perhaps Warrior just wants more lists of 37 spins in the JimmieB format. But there are other formats listing more details. Which of these formats is invited? Sometimes Warrior indicates the session was a winner, and sometimes he tells what spin the session won on. That requires more details than the JimmieB format.
Question for Warrior:
Are you now expecting speculation on bet selection, or are you still just inviting 37 spin sessions in the format specified? Which of the two or more formats are you inviting?
I propose to put together an Excel book with one sheet per session, once the format(s) are identified and invited. The book can have as many sample sessions as you like. How many sessions would you like? Would you be willing to comment on all the sessions? At this point, are you migrating toward more detailed comments, or will you just be telling whether the session won or lost? If you are willing to tell what spin the session won on, i will include the detailed format. If you are willing to comment on more than that, i will include the most detailed format of all. Are you able to tell whether a session won just from the JimmieB format?
he might wait till 3 lines have had their 2nd number then switch to inside bets on individual numbers that had no show within the 3 remaining lines.
I cannot get his method but i play like this and it is serving me will on live wheel:
play each double street as it shows
1 chip on 1 double street, then 2 chips on 2 double street, then 3 chips on 3 double streets
if no hit then increase to 2 chips
then 2 chips on 1, 2 chips on 2, 2 chips on 3, so on and so forth
after 3 double street bets i reset and start over and start a new series of 1 to 3 double streets
martingale progression
continuously betting each double street as it shows with no more then 3 bets at a time
I'm working on some test data/analysis in the attached form.
I am going to be testing the max number of spins between hits re: 1st line with new number to 1st line with repeat or new number; to 2nd line with repeat or new number, etc.
I would also like to determine the following: if there is a large gap between, say, completing the 1st and 2nd line, does that mean there will be a smaller gap between completing the 3rd and 4th lines (and vice versa) or is there no pattern at all?
Finally, I would like to see if there's a pattern between numbers that have appeared, repeaters and sleepers compared to what's going on with the lines and above test results.
If you are betting 3 lines at once then you have to double up to keep afloat, so the max number of spins tolerated is only 11 before reaching table limits.
would these 20 spins win +10
Quote from: ignatus on October 23, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
15 numbers hit 1 time, 9 numbers hit 2 times, 1 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
13 numbers hit 1 time, 7 numbers hit 2 times, 3 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
32,24,12, 6,30,28,32,10,28,33,17,32,20,33,34, 6,13,27,35,31. 15 numbers 20 spins, 16 spins left. So whats likely to happen
R R R R R in the 16 spins. Have the next 40 spins for the answer
R
This is a very interesting system! I did some coding on this at about 4am this morning. Wow, some really amazing results so far after 270 sets... :thumbsup:
Where's warrior BTW? Has he begun touring Vegas or something? :xd:
So in my tests I play till 4 lines have been closed. We start when the first number/line hits and then if a repeat comes in or a new number then we "jump" to the next level, and we do this until 4 lines have been closed.
Maximum gaps after 270 Sets x 37 spins / 10,000 spins
Level 0 to Level 1: 5
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 1
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
*I think most of the larger gaps occur when there are 5 lines open at once. 7 Sets had all 6 lines open at once.
*The worst session was waiting 10 spins for the 4th line to close without any repeats occurring throughout the set - and sure enough at one time in that set there were 5 lines open (see attached; gap 0 always reports one more than it's meant to BTW due to a glitch with the 1st spin of every set).
I wish I was in Vegas, its dam cold in Canada ,keep working at guys it's is the best on the the forum.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 22, 08:40 AM 2014
would these 20 spins win +10
Quote from: ignatus on October 23, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
15 numbers hit 1 time, 9 numbers hit 2 times, 1 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
13 numbers hit 1 time, 7 numbers hit 2 times, 3 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
32,24,12, 6,30,28,32,10,28,33,17,32,20,33,34, 6,13,27,35,31. 15 numbers 20 spins, 16 spins left. So whats likely to happen
R R R R R in the 16 spins. Have the next 40 spins for the answer
R
Here this may help you think .
13 to 14 will appear one
13 to 14 will not appear
9 to 10 will appear more then once.
Now think on how to use this info and reverse it ok.
Here was the best set, but this also had 5 lines open at one time:
2 spins
1st line closed
3 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spin
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
3rd line closed
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spins
4th line closed
Though it could be argued that the best set would have fewer wins, but more profitable wins, i.e. quick line closes all-round with few open simultaneously.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 22, 08:55 AM 2014
This is a very interesting system! I did some coding on this at about 4am this morning. Wow, some really amazing results so far after 270 sets... :thumbsup:
Where's warrior BTW? Has he begun touring Vegas or something? :xd:
So in my tests I play till 4 lines have been closed. We start when the first number/line hits and then if a repeat comes in or a new number then we "jump" to the next level, and we do this until 4 lines have been closed.
Maximum gaps after 270 Sets x 37 spins / 10,000 spins
Level 0 to Level 1: 5
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 1
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
*I think most of the larger gaps occur when there are 5 lines open at once. 7 Sets had all 6 lines open at once.
*The worst session was waiting 10 spins for the 4th line to close without any repeats occurring throughout the set - and sure enough at one time in that set there were 5 lines open (see attached; gap 0 always reports one more than it's meant to BTW due to a glitch with the 1st spin of every set).
Nice one ,I like this because this is how we beat the game.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 22, 09:27 AM 2014
Here was the best set, but this also had 5 lines open at one time:
2 spins
1st line closed
3 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spin
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
3rd line closed
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spins
4th line closed
When this happens remember this is how we beat the game , and we have a choice on when to bet .
I know I mention at the beginning of the thread that as the lines come in you bet them ,this so you can start to think in a different way about roulette and it helps with Boredom .
But when you understand whats happening at the beginning of every cycle ,you can start to be creative in your betting.
So if all lines show at once I'm either on 2 of them or 3 of them to corner the bet for there changing
numbers or catch the repeat .
Now this is a HUGE TIP USE IT OR LOSE IT LOL.
Yeah, I'm starting to see the flexibility with this system! Depending on how the beginning of the cycle goes will determine how the rest of the set will play out, and we should adapt our bet selection and progression in different situations based on some factors:
*Number of simultaneous open lines
*Number of repeats vs. closes
I haven't begun to formulate any rules just yet or how to bet, but I can already see the potential! The most obvious rule #1 is that if 3 lines close without a repeat then don't bother playing for the 4th line; however, once all other rules are formulated I'm confident that at that stage we would already be in a profit, and there may be a way to further exploit that currently feared situation based on other signatory factors from the beginning of the cycle that are not yet understood.
With the right analysis and testing I think it may even be possible to WIN EVERY SET! That's what makes this system so exciting.
:thumbsup:
Current analysis: 6/7 times when 6 lines opened simultaneously was during the beginning of the cycle without any repeats. The biggest challenge towards the end of the worst of those sets took 5 spins to close - yep you've guessed it - the 4th line.
Only once did 6 lines open during the later levels (level 2 or 3), but that only took 3 spins to close the 4th line.
One way to play this situation might be to stop betting if several pairs of lines start to open at the beginning of a cycle without any repeats (betting should be paused somewhere between 3-6 simultaneously opened lines during the first instance). You then wait until 6 lines have gone back down to 5 before betting is resumed: play 5>4 and 4>3, but do not attempt to close the 4th line (3>2) until we figure out how to deal with that in the future. You would lose a few chips flat betting at the beginning, but should be able to recoup or even make a profit by playing 5>4>3 with the potential for repeats on 2/6 sets:
betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop
betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop
betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop
betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
1 spin
3rd line closed
stop
betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop
betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
1 spin
3rd line closed
That's not to say we couldn't handle 5 spins for the 4th line, but I just don't know the maximum for that situation right now (I doubt if it would ever reach 10 spins like the worst situation when we get 3 early closes without any repeats as discussed previously)
I think betting should be paused at 5 open lines unless there has been 1 or more closures or repeats, so that's a flat-betting loss of about 1+2+3+4 = 10. The 2 closing bets (repeats notwithstanding) should then be progressed starting at 5 then 4 - minimum - based on the increasing pay-outs covering less double streets over time. Of course, I'm only looking at the worst situations right now. Normally we would be spending most time at the cash desk cashing out!
Hi Falkor,
Glad to see you're taking an interest this one :thumbsup:
Of the sessions I sent to Warrior, some of them had won on the completion of the 4th DS, others the 5th. My thoughts are you don't bet anymore than 3 x DSs at a time, and you are hoping to have reached your target when the 4th street completes, if not you aim for the 5th street completing to hit your target, I was also wondering if there was a change from betting from the actual DSs when you have 3 complete the betting the actual numbers in the remaining DS(s) until the 4th/5th are complete, as I'm led to believe the progression can get high towards the end, and large BR is required, hence my thinking of betting on the actual numbers at some stage, I do believe the hot spots are when your aiming to fill the 4th DS after completion of the 3 x DSs, or the filling of the 5th DS, after 4 x DSs have completed. I think there are several stages to this system, not all of which you have to play, depending on your current situation....
Jim
Hi JimmieB, I'll take a look at your suggestions and get back to you.
BTW, I think I've figured out what warrior might have been referring to during some earlier pages of this topic: one of the challenges is whether to play for closure of the 4th line, but in most of those situations - particularly when 6 lines have opened prior - we are left with this:
Spin 6: Open: 6 Closed: 0
Spin 9: Open: 3 Closed: 3
0: 0 1 3 4 5 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 18 19 20 21 23 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 35 36
1: 2 6 7 12 17 22 24 25 33
>1:
So I guess this is where we switch to playing the once appeared single numbers in the hope of getting a repeat! >:D (on 2nd thoughts perhaps what JimmyB is suggesting might be safer)
I think this system is everything winkel's gut should have been - but isn't! :thumbsup:
QuoteHere was the best set, but this also had 5 lines open at one time:
2 spins
1st line closed
3 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spin
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
3rd line closed
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spins
4th line closed
0: 0 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 18 21 22 24 25 27 30 33 34
1: 19 20 26 28 29 31 35 36
>1: 6 10 17 23 32
And here's where we play the sleepers!! :xd: (edit: this is probably not such a hot idea)
Quote from: JimmieB on Nov 22, 12:28 PM 2014
Hi Falkor,
Glad to see you're taking an interest this one :thumbsup:
Of the sessions I sent to Warrior, some of them had won on the completion of the 4th DS, others the 5th. My thoughts are you don't bet anymore than 3 x DSs at a time, and you are hoping to have reached your target when the 4th street completes, if not you aim for the 5th street completing to hit your target, I was also wondering if there was a change from betting from the actual DSs when you have 3 complete the betting the actual numbers in the remaining DS(s) until the 4th/5th are complete, as I'm led to believe the progression can get high towards the end, and large BR is required, hence my thinking of betting on the actual numbers at some stage, I do believe the hot spots are when your aiming to fill the 4th DS after completion of the 3 x DSs, or the filling of the 5th DS, after 4 x DSs have completed. I think there are several stages to this system, not all of which you have to play, depending on your current situation....
Jim
Somebody else already tested that it may not always be possible to close the 5th DS within 37 spins, but then there could be circumstances that means it will complete sooner. However, from what I've seen of trying to complete the 4th DS - that's as far as I'll probably go! The larger BR is needed because the 4th/5th take longer and more losses need chasing, and I haven't discovered any golden opportunity or hot spots unless it involves moving onto the numbers.
As for betting only 3 DS' it seems we can increase to 4 and 5 with almost certain chance of completing depending on whether we had any wins up to that point in the cycle.
I'm sure warrior doesn't have all rules set in stone just yet, and is hoping that we might discover ideas based on the concepts and clues he provides so that we might independently reach some of his same conclusions. That way it becomes more of a community effort - thanks to the foundation laid by warrior!
My simulator was set to play 6 DSs, but I'm going to change to 5 (which it should have been set to), and also test 4 and 3 to see how that affects the gaps between "jumps"/levels. Closing 1/6 open DS was not meant to count as a jump, but there was only 7 sets like that so no biggie.
QuoteMaximum gaps after 270 Sets x 37 spins / 10,000 spins
Level 0 to Level 1: 5
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 1
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
Playing 4 DS instead of 5 now looks like this:
Level 0 to Level 1: 6
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 0
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
Hardly any difference. Up next: playing up to 3 DS' only and also looking at the possibility of closing 5 DS'.
If you try to close 5 DSs then the gaps look like this:
Level 0 to Level 1: 6
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 16
Level 5 to Level 6: 13
Level 6 to Level 7: 10
Level 7 to Level 8: 12
Level 8 to Level 9: 9
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
Level 10 to Level 11: 5
Level 4 to 10 generally have 2 DS' in play simultaneously, so you could consider completing DS 5 if you are at level 6 to 10 (to be on the safe side maybe only 8-10 by the time I've tested 1 million spins).
Repeaters really are our BEST FRIENDS! :love:
Playing with only 3 DSs (and looking to close 4 in some circumstances) means larger gaps at the start of the cycle and less bonus repeats at the end:
Level 0 to Level 1: 10
Level 1 to Level 2: 10
Level 2 to Level 3: 10
Level 3 to Level 4: 9
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 5
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 0
Profits are better and its mostly flat-betting at the beginning, so it's comparable to playing 4 or 5, though I think playing 5 would require less of a bankroll. Up next: will try to run 100,000 spins.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 22, 05:14 PM 2014
If you try to close 5 DSs then the gaps look like this:
Level 0 to Level 1: 6
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 16
Level 5 to Level 6: 13
Level 6 to Level 7: 10
Level 7 to Level 8: 12
Level 8 to Level 9: 9
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
Level 10 to Level 11: 5
Level 4 to 10 generally have 2 DS' in play simultaneously, so you could consider completing DS 5 if you are at level 6 to 10 (to be on the safe side maybe only 8-10 by the time I've tested 1 million spins).
Repeaters really are our BEST FRIENDS! :love:
Yes the repeaters are the bonus I was referring to.
When we have all 6 lines out naturally we can not play them all at once we would win nothing ,the first 3 are the ones you would start with then find a way to bet the rest .
And I do have the complete system under control and my rules .This I have worked on for a while.
If you have the first 3 and 2 are from the same dozen you would discard the black sheep until the shepherd has shown.
Basically what I have done is what we call in boxing stick and move . It's very hard to hit a moving target this is what the wheel does its in constant change, so therefore we must do the same this way of betting allows this to happen, hit and not get hit. Finish the fight as soon as possible .
This in my opinion is the best system on the forum and on the Internet period.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 22, 05:45 PM 2014
If you have the first 3 and 2 are from the same dozen you would discard the black sheep until the shepherd has shown.
That sounds like an advanced way of "cornering" as you say the DSs! I'll have to have a think about that one.... thanks for all the latest tips!
I'm currently looking at when the 4th and 5th DS closes, do they close without a repeat of themselves? In most cases I think they do, so that's when we might switch to playing individual un-hit numbers of the last 2 or 3 DSs (4-6 numbers)? And the beginning of the cycle should aid us there? We know that a third of the numbers may never appear, but based on the distribution of new numbers across the DSs we might be able to predict which sleepers are due in the context of completing DSs? That's the potential I could possibly be seeing here, but the old grey matter isn't as good as it used to be.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 22, 05:45 PM 2014
If you have the first 3 and 2 are from the same dozen you would discard the black sheep until the shepherd has shown.
But here is an even chance of 50/50, play the 3 or oppose the 3 and hope zero dont show
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 23, 07:00 AM 2014
But here is an even chance of 50/50, play the 3 or oppose the 3 and hope zero dont show
It's different because we are inside a Law of the Third framework and in the context of double streets and dozens.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 23, 07:00 AM 2014
But here is an even chance of 50/50, play the 3 or oppose the 3 and hope zero dont show
I don't concern myself with the zero .i had 3 zeros in a row in one of the session and I still won.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 23, 09:49 AM 2014
I don't concern myself with the zero .i had 3 zeros in a row in one of the session and I still won.
Nice! The "gaps"/losses in my simulations also take into account the zeroes.
QuoteMaximum gaps after 270 Sets x 37 spins / 10,000 spins
Level 0 to Level 1: 5
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 1
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
100,000 spin results are now in over 2703 sets:
Level 0 to Level 1: 6
Level 1 to Level 2: 9
Level 2 to Level 3: 10
Level 3 to Level 4: 14
Level 4 to Level 5: 12
Level 5 to Level 6: 11
Level 6 to Level 7: 10
Level 7 to Level 8: 9
Level 8 to Level 9: 4
Level 9 to Level 10: 6
Level 10 to Level 11: 1
The above is playing 1-5 DS, but next I'll be testing warrior's strategy of playing 3 DSs in the context of dozens. However, before we analyse that I'll be running the above for 1 million spins before trying to squeeze some additional sets out of the 1 mil spins by resetting after the 4th DS closes (instead of after 37 spins).
Here's the most sets I can get out of 1 million spins @ 100,000 x 10, including the most interesting sets that I plan to chart and analyse: (will attach the other data as 9 attachments except for summaries below)
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 23
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 23
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 39
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 66
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 66
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 71
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 112
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 112
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 149
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 173
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 195
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 195
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 282
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 282
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 313
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 313
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 329
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 329
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 386
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 397
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 446
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 451
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 451
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 480
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 480
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 480
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 534
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 534
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 565
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 565
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 590
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 590
gap8 = 4 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 602
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 604
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 604
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 661
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 690
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 701
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 719
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 761
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 763
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 798
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 798
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 798
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 801
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 823
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 823
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 846
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 874
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 874
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 878
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 911
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 911
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 918
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 918
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 918
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 939
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 939
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 961
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 985
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 985
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 985
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 985
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1044
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1076
gap5 = 11 Open: 1 Closed: 3 Set: 1085
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1099
gap6 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1131
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1203
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 1248
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1260
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1260
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1282
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1312
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1312
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1327
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1391
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1395
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1395
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1431
gap8 = 4 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1455
gap2 = 10 Open: 2 Closed: 2 Set: 1486
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1509
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1509
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1518
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1518
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1594
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1690
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1690
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1690
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1690
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1692
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1703
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1703
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1708
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1709
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1734
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1735
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1738
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1738
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1738
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1776
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1780
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1780
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1788
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1788
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1790
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1803
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 1808
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1811
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1823
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1823
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1846
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1846
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1859
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1859
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1865
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1865
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1865
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1865
gap9 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1920
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1938
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1938
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1967
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1988
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1988
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1990
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2070
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2070
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2091
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2091
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2094
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2094
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2116
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2116
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2121
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2121
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2146
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2176
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2208
gap9 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 2218
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2242
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2242
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2285
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2353
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2355
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2355
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 2360
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2365
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2401
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2401
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2437
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2437
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2452
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2452
gap1 = 9 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 2466
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2478
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2487
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2530
gap4 = 12 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 2543
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2550
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2550
gap4 = 12 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 2552
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2595
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2595
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2610
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2633
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 2639
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2665
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2665
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2735
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2735
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2756
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2764
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2764
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2772
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2772
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2772
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2788
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2846
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2846
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2857
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2859
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2863
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2880
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2981
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3023
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3023
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3024
gap5 = 11 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 3032
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 3044
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3106
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3160
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3161
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 3165
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3212
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3220
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3246
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3246
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3248
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3258
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3258
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3304
gap8 = 4 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3315
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3332
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3357
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3357
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3402
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3414
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3414
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3424
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3424
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3432
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3432
gap4 = 12 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3448
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3451
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3490
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3490
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3498
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3498
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3531
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3531
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3538
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3538
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3544
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3580
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3580
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3585
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3585
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3585
gap4 = 12 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3626
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3650
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3697
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3704
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3704
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3762
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3762
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3762
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3799
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3816
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3867
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3889
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3890
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 3917
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3929
gap3 = 14 Open: 1 Closed: 3 Set: 3933
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3936
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 3971
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3999
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 3999
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4049
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4049
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4070
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4070
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4070
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4073
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 4094
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4094
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 4151
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4193
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4193
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4219
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4270
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4288
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4288
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4311
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4311
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 4314
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4340
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 4402
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 4425
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4450
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4450
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4450
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4450
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4467
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4467
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4470
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4470
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 4484
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 4508
gap4 = 12 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 4544
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4600
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4600
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 4620
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4622
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4676
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4676
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4679
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4679
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4704
gap4 = 12 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 4709
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 4744
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4879
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4879
gap2 = 10 Open: 2 Closed: 2 Set: 4889
gap4 = 12 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 4901
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4953
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4953
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 4964
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5089
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5089
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 5112
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5132
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5132
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5132
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5149
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5170
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5170
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5170
gap6 = 10 Open: 1 Closed: 3 Set: 5184
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5188
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5215
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5220
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5220
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5224
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5224
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5243
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5249
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5249
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5269
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5269
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 5301
gap4 = 12 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 5302
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5317
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5319
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5360
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 5454
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5474
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5474
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5498
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5529
gap8 = 4 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 5533
gap8 = 4 Open: 1 Closed: 3 Set: 5572
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5616
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5618
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5618
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5624
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5624
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5624
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5624
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 5647
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5647
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5723
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5723
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5726
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5726
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5747
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5747
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5750
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5791
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5822
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5826
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5847
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5847
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5882
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5936
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5936
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5949
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5988
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5993
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5993
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5993
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5993
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6048
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6048
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 6059
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6068
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6072
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6072
gap1 = 9 Open: 2 Closed: 1 Set: 6082
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6122
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 6142
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6149
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6151
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6159
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6169
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6171
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 6188
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6204
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6204
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6204
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6229
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6240
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6240
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6240
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6322
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6322
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6361
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6361
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6397
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6403
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6403
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6430
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6488
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6488
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6495
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6495
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6498
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6498
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6546
gap1 = 9 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 6552
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6600
gap0 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 6625
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6631
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6631
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6631
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6642
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6676
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6677
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6686
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6714
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6714
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6735
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6735
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6744
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6760
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6782
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6782
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6789
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6798
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6798
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6810
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6865
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6875
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6875
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6888
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6888
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6889
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6912
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6912
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6929
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6959
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 7024
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7044
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7044
gap4 = 12 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 7093
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7116
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7116
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 7125
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7152
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7166
gap0 = 6 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7243
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7243
gap0 = 6 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 7268
Sets: 7280
Gap0max: 8 Gap1max: 10 Gap2max: 12 Gap3max: 17 Gap4max: 14 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 6 Gap8max: 6 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 0 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 14539
Gap0max: 8 Gap1max: 10 Gap2max: 13 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 14 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 6 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 4 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 21841
Gap0max: 8 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 14 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 4 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 29099
Gap0max: 8 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 17 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 4 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 36328
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Remember: Gap0max is really 8 (not 9)
5 more to go!
So here we have solid data to work with and figure out the worst case scenarios (and also the best case scenarios). From this we can, in turn, figure out certain patterns in relation to the beginning of the cycle. If not all sets can be won then we can determine a stop loss or how to get around certain situations. Most importantly this leads to dynamic bet progressions based on what the wheel is doing. I will also test the 3 DS max bet selection. Since most 37 spin sets are over in half that time means that if 1 level should have a massive gap or losing streak then I think we can be certain that the levels to follow will close quickly, so we can adapt to maximise profits. There's up to 11 potential chances to win per set and the set duration simply isn't long enough to have more than 1 of those levels lose on a big streak, or so it seems, which I will set out to hopefully prove.
Sets: 43616
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 50909
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 58197
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 65427
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Sets: 72705
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5 Gap11max: 0 Gap12max: 0 Gap13max: 0 Gap14max: 0 Gap15max: 0
Falkor nice one I'm sure that you will get something different then what I'm doing but I believe that you will find a way to make this work good job. :thumbsup:
I just read some where on the forum that casino in Macau changed the layout of the wheel to match the carpet .VB guys would have a hay day with that but then I read on and they say that the glass on the wheel becomes white so you can't use Vb technique it's blurring it out .they always try to counter everything .BUT I'm afraid that they won't be able to blur this one out I will milk them for a long time. :xd:
Thanks warrior! This is the most interesting system I've analysed to date. I've even put my own system on hold, as this is also looking like the best and most profitable system. I'm re-running the 1 mil test before I attach the data, and I've introduced one more important stat:
New longest set @ 14 spins (set: 1)
New longest set @ 15 spins (set: 4)
New longest set @ 23 spins (set: 7)
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 23
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 39
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 66
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 71
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 112
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 173
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 195
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 282
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 290
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 313
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 329
New longest set @ 25 spins (set: 336)
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 397
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 446
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 451
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 480
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 480
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 534
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 565
New longest set @ 27 spins (set: 567)
Longest set was exactly 37 spins! (see attached)
Here's a tally of the most interesting sets with the number of occurrences of each type:
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 11
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 59
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 143
gap1 = 10 Open: 2 Closed: 1 1
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 8
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 7
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 4
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 6
gap3 = 14 Open: 1 Closed: 3 2
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 35
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 66
gap3 = 14 Open: 4 Closed: 2 1
gap4 = 17 Open: 2 Closed: 3 1
gap4 = 17 Open: 3 Closed: 3 2
gap5 = 16 Open: 1 Closed: 3 1
gap5 = 16 Open: 2 Closed: 3 1
gap5 = 16 Open: 3 Closed: 3 1
gap6 = 13 Open: 2 Closed: 3 2
gap7 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 5
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 28
gap8 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 1
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 8
gap8 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 2 1
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 7
gap10 = 3 Open: 3 Closed: 3 3
All 6 DSs opening without a close happens about 2% of the time.
26 sets out of 72705 went over the 30 spin mark:
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 1085)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 10853)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 11945)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 23244)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 40024)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 48658)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 61834)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 70564)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 7986)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 9694)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 17973)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 28181)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 28715)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 3397)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 40963)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 59504)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 62825)
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 48196)
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 48757)
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 69937)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 30309)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 5533)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 62868)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 68509)
Long set @ 37 spins (set: 32009)
Long set @ 37 spins (set: 55231)
Here's what the above test results are telling us:
Level 0
The beginning of the cycle can go up to 8 losses if no repeats or closes are forthcoming, and this is when all 6 DSs are likely to open up 2% of the time, but since you begin flat-betting any concluding progression is unlikely to get out of hand. And due to certain dangers in the later levels you may decide to pause betting at 5 open DSs and recoup on the way down, so to speak. Warrior would have already carried on playing, but with no more than 3 DSs trying to corner the shepherd (double streets in the same dozen) instead of the black sheep. Anyway, these first few levels are crucial to understanding how the rest of the set could will out.
Level 1
If you got here via a repeat then you are safe! If you've closed the first DS outright without a repeat then there's a danger of encountering 14 losses in a row - mostly when there are 4 or 5 DSs open, so if you are in this situation then prepare to pause betting or enable a stop loss, unless you are only playing 3 DSs ala Warrior. However, this could be a dangerous situation for warrior as well?
Level 2
Again, if you had 1 or 2 repeats to get here then you are safe. If not then you would have closed 2 outright without a repeat. There's now a danger of 15 losses in a row with 3 or 4 open. I'm sure there's situations, though, where 2 DSs can open and close quickly without going above 2 open simultaneously, in which case you would be safe; same with the Level 1 risk above.
Level 3
Here's the most risky level of all. You've had 3 closes, but no repeats. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CLOSE THE 4TH DS! In fact, you should have already paused betting by now. I don't know what warrior would do, and here 3 DSs are in play. Is there some hidden exploitation for this #1 worst situation? Could this be some kind of golden opportunity in terms of betting numbers? Nothing has repeated, and it should have done by now, so perhaps moving onto individual unhit numbers of the remaining 3 DSs is the way to go?
Levels 4 - 6
There's more dangers here when trying to close the 4th DS, though they are quite rare, so perhaps a stop loss is needed rather than trying to avoid the situation entirely.
Levels 7 - 10
If you get this far then you are very safe thanks to the repeats you had during the beginning of the cycle. The only one to watch out for is trying to close the 4th DS at level 7. Levels 8-10 = GO FOR GOLD = start the progression at a higher value to normal as you won't need to double up more than 5-7 times - even when trying to close the 4th DS!
RULE: I don't close the DS with a repeater, only close it when the second unique number appear.
Probability from data analyzed:
10.003.431 spins
270.363 cycles (37 spins)
--- 3 DS---
Close
270.361(times)
99,9992602538
Not Close
2 (times)
0,0007397462%
--- 4 DS---
Close
269.317
99,6131127410%
Not Close
1.046 (times)
0,3868872590%
--- 5 DS---
Close
234,213 (times)
86,6290875601%
Not Close
36.150 (times)
13,3709124399%
Quote from: Orochi on Nov 23, 08:18 PM 2014
On my tests on 10 millions spins.
RULE: I don't close the DS with a repeater, only close it when the second unique number appear.
I can confirm that 3 DS always close on the 37 spins cycle.
I will post the what is the probability of 4 DS don't close in the 37 cycle.
Still testing , but until now the probability is very very low, sometimes it pass 1 million spins. I will post the results soon.
Yep - the DSs in my simulations are all closed through a 2nd unique number, but I jump a level if I get a repeater or close.
I got the 4th DS to close within a 37 spin cycle @ 1 million spin test. With 10 million it could go just over the 37 spin mark to close the 4th DS.
Thanks! I look forward to your results and any tips you and warrior can suggest in order to take advantage of certain situations! :thumbsup:
Level 3: I've got a 31 step progression for 8 numbers, but we are only playing 6 numbers so there is toleration for more losses than shown here: (EDIT: I think this chart is inaccurate but it's not that far off the true number of steps)
1 1 28
2 1 19
3 1 10
4 1 1
5 2 19
6 2 1
7 3 10
8 4 11
9 5 3
10 7 14
11 9 8
12 12 13
13 16 21
14 21 24
15 27 14
16 35 11
17 46 27
18 59 10
19 77 28
20 99 13
21 128 17
22 165 12
23 213 18
24 274 3
25 353 3
26 455 14
27 586 20
28 754 13
29 970 5
30 1248 4
31 1606 18
And the max losses is only 21 for level 3! So maybe we should also switch to individuals numbers - excluding repeats - for levels 4-10 where the danger is less and the profit is more?
I believe that this method is the way to win consistently with this game .
GREAT job to all the testers you will not need anything else. :)
Tomorrow i will post an update tracker with possible bets.
keep tuned :thumbsup:
Excellent guys! Looking forward to the tracker, which sounds like it will be more than a tracker even!
BTW, when we are trying to close the 4th DS there will be 15 numbers to bet (not 6), so perhaps the opposite is true: we should only consider moving to numbers when we are ultra safe due to repeats.
I'm next going to test and compare the distribution of losing streaks - per set - based on the sets that were highlighted above from previous testing. My hypothesis is that if a single level has a long losing streak then the rest will have quick wins! So this next test is going to be explosive... >:D
Quote--- 3 DS---
Close
270.361(times)
99,9992602538
Not Close
2 (times)
0,0007397462%
--- 4 DS---
Close
269.317
99,6131127410%
Not Close
1.046 (times)
0,3868872590%
I got the exact same results with my tests, but I only tested 1 million, so I closed all 4th DSs by the 37th spin exactly. My percentages will be the same. I did not test the 5th DS though:
Quote from: Orochi on Nov 23, 08:18 PM 2014
--- 5 DS---
Close
234,213 (times)
86,6290875601%
Not Close
36.150 (times)
13,3709124399%
Though I wouldn't have thought about playing this, there are definitely opportunities to consider it if we've closed the 4th DS in style and had a solid session along the way. I hope to find out the exact conditions by the end of the week. 87% is much higher than I thought.
warrior, what name should this system (and variations) be known by? DS Destruction? Warrior System?
This system is SICK! Wait until you see these new test result OMFG.... :xd: O0 >:D :thumbsup:
Roulette has been totally destroyed!!! :-X
Quote from: falkor on Nov 24, 05:16 AM 2014
warrior, what name should this system (and variations) be known by? DS Destruction? Warrior System?
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Yes I like the name DS Destrucion. :thumbsup:
If your at for example spin 15 and you have closed out 4 DS you would have 22 spin left to close 37 spins ,so therefore you would calculate your profit and see now how much you want to risk verses the amount of spins left and here we would never give back what we have made .
So for Example my goal was 12 units I have 22 spins I would only have 9 chances flat bet to make extra units I would stop win on 3 units meaning I never go below 3 ,if you progress on the 5th line you take the chance of the law of third to manifest it self ,results can be sleepers . You must always pay attention on your bank and calculate from there ,sometime I play the 5th out of boredom so I will finish the cycle but I have enough profits to do this .Progression on the 5th would have to be determined by your PROFITS.ok there's your tip of the day.
This method I give to you as a early Christmas gift .
Regards Warrior
Thanks warrior! This has certainly lit up my Christmas, and I'm not embarrassed to admit I've lost a couple of half-nights sleep... in fact, this system is so electrifying that I'm considering silencing myself from any further open discussions! :-X :-X :-X
OK - warrior has given the OK for me to publish my latest test results - because he wants you guys to all win! :smile: Warrior said it; that settles it; I accept it - we should make these significant findings available to our community. So stay tuned... 8) O0 :thumbsup:
OK my neck is on the line here I feel, but here goes:
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 10618 Gaps: 7 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 34317 Gaps: 9 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 40033 Gaps: 7 0 2 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 52266 Gaps: 7 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 59083 Gaps: 8 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 61083 Gaps: 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 67700 Gaps: 7 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 67797 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 69656 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 70561 Gaps: 8 0 0 3 0 7 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0 Set: 8309 Gaps: 8 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 11042 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 12687 Gaps: 7 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 12832 Gaps: 7 0 0 4 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 1395 Gaps: 8 0 1 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 14224 Gaps: 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 15605 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 16325 Gaps: 7 0 2 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 16537 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 18578 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 2 8 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 21462 Gaps: 7 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 21950 Gaps: 7 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 22188 Gaps: 8 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 23737 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 24180 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 2 0 6 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2633 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 2639 Gaps: 7 0 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 26719 Gaps: 7 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 27858 Gaps: 7 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 28298 Gaps: 7 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 30658 Gaps: 7 0 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 30830 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 31763 Gaps: 8 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 32473 Gaps: 7 0 3 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 33410 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 36503 Gaps: 8 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 37488 Gaps: 7 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 38318 Gaps: 7 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 38773 Gaps: 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 39523 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 40644 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 40995 Gaps: 7 1 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 42535 Gaps: 7 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 42737 Gaps: 7 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 46862 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 47189 Gaps: 8 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 48064 Gaps: 7 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 51696 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 52070 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 7 2 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 52180 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 52868 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 55577 Gaps: 7 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 5647 Gaps: 8 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 56817 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 58429 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 59088 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 60597 Gaps: 7 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 61354 Gaps: 8 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 63972 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 64326 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 64457 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 65300 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 4 0 1 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 65939 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 6625 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 66374 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 66578 Gaps: 7 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 70330 Gaps: 7 1 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 9228 Gaps: 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 9422 Gaps: 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0 Set: 9902 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 10286 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 10301 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 10511 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 11076 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 12091 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 12460 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 13025 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1312 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 13417 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 13793 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1509 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 15350 Gaps: 7 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 16034 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1690 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 1703 Gaps: 7 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 17417 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 18401 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 18824 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 19850 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 20868 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 21040 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 21213 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 21921 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 21997 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 22585 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 22818 Gaps: 7 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 2355 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 25715 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 26054 Gaps: 7 0 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 27882 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 28072 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 28532 Gaps: 7 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 28547 Gaps: 7 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 28593 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 28607 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 28775 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 29190 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 29709 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 29729 Gaps: 7 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 30273 Gaps: 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 30852 Gaps: 7 0 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 31421 Gaps: 7 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 31800 Gaps: 8 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 32163 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 32166 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 33322 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 33639 Gaps: 7 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 35100 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 36431 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 37312 Gaps: 7 1 2 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 37839 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 38457 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 38759 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 39367 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 39945 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 40395 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 4070 Gaps: 7 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 41294 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 41358 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 41515 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 42073 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 42127 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 42225 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 42666 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 42734 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 43053 Gaps: 8 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 43319 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 3 1 3 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 43771 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 43964 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 44008 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 44196 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 44197 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 44426 Gaps: 7 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 45897 Gaps: 7 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 45986 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 46358 Gaps: 7 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 46598 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 46966 Gaps: 7 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 47041 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 47514 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 47810 Gaps: 7 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 48122 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 48335 Gaps: 7 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 48870 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 49480 Gaps: 7 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 49671 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 50371 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 50608 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 51064 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 51394 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 51851 Gaps: 7 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 52843 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 53433 Gaps: 7 0 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 54220 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 54558 Gaps: 7 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 55306 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 55543 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 55890 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 56999 Gaps: 7 0 2 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 57140 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 5747 Gaps: 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 57897 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 57986 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 58283 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 590 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59011 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59086 Gaps: 7 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59176 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59219 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59241 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 1 2 9 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59552 Gaps: 7 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59688 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 59765 Gaps: 7 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 60012 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 60159 Gaps: 7 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 60265 Gaps: 7 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 60373 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 2 2 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 604 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 60760 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 60976 Gaps: 7 1 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 61730 Gaps: 7 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 62102 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 63559 Gaps: 7 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 64133 Gaps: 7 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 64869 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 8 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 64888 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 6498 Gaps: 7 0 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 65440 Gaps: 7 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 65521 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 65884 Gaps: 7 1 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 66638 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 67204 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 68419 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 69132 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 70050 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 70444 Gaps: 7 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 70569 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7477 Gaps: 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 7590 Gaps: 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 8020 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 8039 Gaps: 7 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 9092 Gaps: 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0 Set: 9755 Gaps: 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 2 Closed: 1 Set: 6082 Gaps: 1 10 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 11135 Gaps: 2 10 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 16860 Gaps: 2 11 2 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 20766 Gaps: 1 14 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 29823 Gaps: 3 10 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 47846 Gaps: 1 10 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 56600 Gaps: 1 12 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 60747 Gaps: 1 10 0 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1 Set: 6552 Gaps: 1 10 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 Set: 10987 Gaps: 2 10 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 Set: 20054 Gaps: 1 10 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 Set: 23374 Gaps: 1 10 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 Set: 24790 Gaps: 1 10 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 Set: 36612 Gaps: 2 10 4 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 Set: 53306 Gaps: 2 10 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1 Set: 67734 Gaps: 1 10 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 15643 Gaps: 2 0 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 34804 Gaps: 2 0 15 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 41044 Gaps: 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2 Set: 55411 Gaps: 2 2 15 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 12343 Gaps: 2 1 13 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 30052 Gaps: 3 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 52530 Gaps: 2 0 13 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 57383 Gaps: 2 4 14 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 69346 Gaps: 3 0 15 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 8438 Gaps: 3 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 1 Closed: 3 Set: 21701 Gaps: 3 1 0 13 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 1 Closed: 3 Set: 3933 Gaps: 1 1 2 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 11945 Gaps: 2 2 2 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 12472 Gaps: 1 5 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 13484 Gaps: 1 2 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 1471 Gaps: 2 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 14904 Gaps: 3 1 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 15710 Gaps: 1 3 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 15852 Gaps: 4 0 1 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 17231 Gaps: 2 4 0 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 19911 Gaps: 2 1 1 14 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 20193 Gaps: 3 1 0 15 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 20606 Gaps: 3 1 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 20892 Gaps: 4 0 0 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 22678 Gaps: 4 0 2 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 24571 Gaps: 1 3 0 15 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 27978 Gaps: 2 1 1 15 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 29740 Gaps: 2 1 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 31113 Gaps: 2 2 1 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 31498 Gaps: 4 0 5 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 36366 Gaps: 4 0 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 38933 Gaps: 4 0 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 38970 Gaps: 2 0 1 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 41769 Gaps: 3 0 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 44505 Gaps: 3 0 1 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 48808 Gaps: 3 1 3 14 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 5112 Gaps: 2 2 2 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 5454 Gaps: 3 0 2 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 54587 Gaps: 3 0 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 55822 Gaps: 3 1 0 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 58760 Gaps: 3 0 0 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 65281 Gaps: 1 2 5 14 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 67087 Gaps: 1 2 3 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 69409 Gaps: 1 2 1 13 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 701 Gaps: 1 1 3 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 9500 Gaps: 4 2 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 961 Gaps: 1 2 2 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1129 Gaps: 3 1 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 11607 Gaps: 2 1 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 11909 Gaps: 4 2 1 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1203 Gaps: 1 2 2 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 12512 Gaps: 3 2 3 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 13651 Gaps: 3 2 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1709 Gaps: 3 1 0 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 18854 Gaps: 1 4 4 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 19222 Gaps: 3 1 1 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 19477 Gaps: 2 1 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 20381 Gaps: 1 3 0 14 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 24110 Gaps: 3 1 0 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 25149 Gaps: 3 1 0 13 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 25631 Gaps: 2 0 2 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 25724 Gaps: 3 0 1 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 2613 Gaps: 3 0 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 26256 Gaps: 1 2 1 13 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 27530 Gaps: 3 0 6 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 28315 Gaps: 2 2 1 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 290 Gaps: 3 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 29967 Gaps: 5 0 2 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 30150 Gaps: 3 4 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3179 Gaps: 2 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3332 Gaps: 2 1 1 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 33920 Gaps: 3 4 4 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 34304 Gaps: 2 4 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3466 Gaps: 3 0 2 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 39047 Gaps: 1 1 1 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 39123 Gaps: 2 1 1 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 39798 Gaps: 2 2 3 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 40103 Gaps: 4 0 2 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 40969 Gaps: 3 1 0 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 41579 Gaps: 2 0 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 41651 Gaps: 4 0 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 45176 Gaps: 3 0 5 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 4628 Gaps: 3 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 46690 Gaps: 4 0 1 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 49311 Gaps: 1 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 49891 Gaps: 2 1 2 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 52050 Gaps: 3 0 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 52131 Gaps: 3 1 3 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 53524 Gaps: 1 3 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 54181 Gaps: 1 4 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 55137 Gaps: 3 0 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 56344 Gaps: 4 0 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 57754 Gaps: 2 2 3 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 59518 Gaps: 2 2 1 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 60673 Gaps: 3 0 0 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 60805 Gaps: 3 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 60998 Gaps: 1 2 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 61834 Gaps: 2 0 7 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 62533 Gaps: 1 2 2 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 64071 Gaps: 4 0 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 65000 Gaps: 2 2 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 68113 Gaps: 4 1 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 68740 Gaps: 3 1 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 69888 Gaps: 3 2 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 69942 Gaps: 1 1 2 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 70619 Gaps: 1 3 0 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 70831 Gaps: 3 0 3 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 71227 Gaps: 3 0 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 71607 Gaps: 4 0 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 7916 Gaps: 3 1 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 7986 Gaps: 3 0 1 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 8213 Gaps: 3 0 2 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 8403 Gaps: 1 6 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap3 = 14 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 56411 Gaps: 3 0 0 14 5 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap5 = 16 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1085 Gaps: 4 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
gap6 = 13 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 36080 Gaps: 4 1 1 0 0 0 13 0 0 0 0
gap6 = 13 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 5184 Gaps: 3 0 0 0 3 0 14 0 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 10276 Gaps: 3 0 0 0 1 1 3 7 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 32033 Gaps: 4 1 0 4 0 1 2 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 53449 Gaps: 1 0 2 3 1 1 0 8 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 71817 Gaps: 2 2 1 1 0 2 0 10 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 71831 Gaps: 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 7 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 11496 Gaps: 4 0 0 0 0 1 4 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 14773 Gaps: 3 1 0 0 1 0 8 8 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 17729 Gaps: 2 1 1 1 0 0 2 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 23244 Gaps: 3 2 6 0 0 1 0 9 1 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 24180 Gaps: 7 1 0 0 0 2 0 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 3018 Gaps: 2 2 0 0 0 1 0 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 30756 Gaps: 6 0 0 0 2 1 2 7 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 32170 Gaps: 1 2 1 1 0 0 1 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 33324 Gaps: 2 2 3 3 0 0 1 8 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 34846 Gaps: 2 1 0 2 0 0 0 7 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 35678 Gaps: 2 3 0 4 0 0 0 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 40569 Gaps: 4 0 0 0 0 0 4 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 41310 Gaps: 2 2 1 1 0 1 1 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 41881 Gaps: 4 0 0 0 7 1 1 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 43374 Gaps: 2 1 1 0 0 2 0 11 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 44311 Gaps: 4 1 0 1 0 0 0 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 4658 Gaps: 3 0 1 0 0 3 0 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 46888 Gaps: 4 0 0 1 0 1 1 9 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 49874 Gaps: 2 1 5 0 1 1 1 9 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 57728 Gaps: 3 2 6 2 0 1 1 7 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 59063 Gaps: 2 1 0 1 1 0 2 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 601 Gaps: 2 2 0 2 1 1 0 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 60294 Gaps: 2 1 0 7 0 1 0 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 67241 Gaps: 1 2 0 1 3 2 1 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 67855 Gaps: 2 2 0 1 4 2 1 6 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 70385 Gaps: 6 0 0 0 0 0 1 7 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 9374 Gaps: 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 12 0 0 0
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 9694 Gaps: 4 0 5 0 2 1 2 9 0 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3 Set: 5572 Gaps: 3 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 6 3 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 17668 Gaps: 1 2 1 1 0 0 4 1 7 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 23446 Gaps: 2 2 0 0 0 1 1 0 6 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 44194 Gaps: 2 1 0 3 1 0 5 0 7 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 50250 Gaps: 4 2 0 1 0 0 1 1 6 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 51133 Gaps: 3 2 2 0 3 0 1 0 6 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 5533 Gaps: 1 2 0 5 4 5 0 2 6 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 55929 Gaps: 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 6 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 57376 Gaps: 4 0 2 0 0 0 8 0 6 0 0
gap8 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 2 Set: 36341 Gaps: 4 1 2 0 1 0 1 0 6 2 0
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 16871 Gaps: 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 0
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 1920 Gaps: 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 2218 Gaps: 1 1 0 2 1 8 0 0 0 6 0
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 43286 Gaps: 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 0 6 0
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 54592 Gaps: 3 1 1 0 2 2 0 0 0 5 0
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 69529 Gaps: 2 0 1 4 2 0 1 0 0 5 0
gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 8150 Gaps: 3 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 2 5 0
gap10 = 3 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 14431 Gaps: 4 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 4
gap10 = 3 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 33204 Gaps: 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 5
gap10 = 3 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 49090 Gaps: 3 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 4 0 3
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 1085) Gaps: 2 2 0 1 3 17 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 10853) Gaps: 3 0 1 6 4 5 2 2 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 11945) Gaps: 2 2 2 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 23244) Gaps: 3 2 6 0 0 1 0 9 1 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 40024) Gaps: 5 1 2 3 0 14 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 48658) Gaps: 2 2 1 6 5 0 7 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 61834) Gaps: 2 0 7 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 70564) Gaps: 3 1 1 4 14 1 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 7986) Gaps: 3 0 1 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 9694) Gaps: 4 0 5 0 2 1 2 9 0 0 0
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 17973) Gaps: 2 1 0 3 8 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 28181) Gaps: 1 2 2 5 17 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 28715) Gaps: 1 1 1 11 1 9 1 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 3397) Gaps: 2 2 2 5 2 6 2 3 0 0 0
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 40963) Gaps: 2 7 0 9 1 7 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 59504) Gaps: 1 3 1 1 3 17 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 62825) Gaps: 4 0 7 1 14 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 48196) Gaps: 3 0 3 5 14 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 48757) Gaps: 2 1 2 4 8 9 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 69937) Gaps: 3 1 0 3 3 11 2 2 0 0 0
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 30309) Gaps: 1 0 2 1 11 10 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 5533) Gaps: 1 2 0 5 4 5 0 2 6 0 0
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 62868) Gaps: 4 2 1 1 1 7 2 3 4 0 0
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 68509) Gaps: 3 1 1 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 37 spins (set: 32009) Gaps: 4 0 1 5 22 0 0 0 0 0 0
Long set @ 37 spins (set: 55231) Gaps: 2 2 1 4 7 4 8 1 0 0 0
Are you seeing what I'm seeing? :question:
Great job Falkor now this is what a community effort is all about thankyou.
Everyone will come to a different way of playing this but if you stick to the IDEA presented here you will win. Forget all those conventional methods they all lose ,I have tried them all . About 20 years ago I was watching the first ufc there was a guy named Marco Ruas about 200 pound his opponent the bear 350 pounds6foot 7 , I think he was from Alaska ,in my mind Marco was going to get killed well Marco kept chopping at his legs round after round he eventually could not stand anymore he drops .
The lesson I learn is that THE OPPOSITE IS ALWAYS WIDE OPEN.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 24, 09:23 AM 2014
Everyone will come to a different way of playing this but if you stick to the IDEA presented here you will win. Forget all those conventional methods they all lose ,I have tried them all . About 20 years ago I was watching the first ufc there was a guy named Marco Ruas about 200 pound his opponent the bear 350 pounds6foot 7 , I think he was from Alaska ,in my mind Marco was going to get killed well Marco kept chopping at his legs round after round he eventually could not stand anymore he drops .
The lesson I learn is that THE OPPOSITE IS ALWAYS WIDE OPEN.
Did they ever release the early rounds to the first UFC? When I saw it they only showed the quarters, semis and final.
Well said BTW!
Quote from: falkor on Nov 24, 09:55 AM 2014
Did they ever release the early rounds to the first UFC? When I saw it they only showed the quarters, semis and final.
Well said BTW!
I'm not sure about the early ones but I know I watch all of Royce Gracie . I think the one with Marco Ruas was ufc 4 if I'm not mistaken.
warrior...your system uses the carpet layout.
have you tried it with the wheel layout?
of course, you will need more bankroll, because you cant bet lines but individual numbers.
any advantage playing wheel layout?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Nov 24, 11:40 AM 2014
warrior...your system uses the carpet layout.
have you tried it with the wheel layout?
of course, you will need more bankroll, because you cant bet lines but individual numbers.
any advantage playing wheel layout?
If it ain't broken than don't fix it. This is quite safe and makes plenty of money...
I believe it's the Law of the Third working in conjunction with the carpet layout that makes this system work. The designers made a mistake there - they should have just allowed single numbers alone.
@ Falkor
Can u pls explain what u mean when u say "....The designers made a mistake there - they should have just allowed
single numbers alone....." Thanks.
Having single numbers combined/overlapped with one or more sections (ie. the 6 standard Double Streets) on the same board allows us to track the same numbers but in "multiple dimensions" allowing more maths to be applied, though this may be the first time in public an exploitation of that flaw has been disclosed (based on the Law of the Third). That's the best way I can think of explaining it. I could be wrong.
@ Falkor -Thanks for the reply; So in effect what u are trying to say is that it would have been better for Mr Casino
if they did not allow Double Street to be bet on.....? Is that correct.....??
Yep - as well as not allowing all the other sections! I predict that if a better system exists than this one it might involve the dozens and the columns. However, I'm not about to go looking for a new system, as this one seems more than adequate! :thumbsup:
@ Falkor - Thanks; I now see what u mean.
Just looking at Level 0 to Level 1. I definitely need to test using a maximum 3 DSs next, as the bankroll for playing a maximum of 5 is quite high for me:
BTW, If anyone would like to see all the 70K+ sets, charted over 1,000,000 spins, I have uploaded them all here:
link:s://:.sendspace.com/file/awt6zs (link:s://:.sendspace.com/file/awt6zs)
I've been reading through this all over the last few days trying to get my head round it. First of all though, thank you for providing this exciting method but also falkor all your hard work.
One question for you Falkor, how are you playing it currently? I'm currently trying various ways but can't seem to nail it.
Well I never expected to have an audience thankyou .
If you play with this method please have adequate bank please do not go in with 100$ and expect a miracle this is from experience .
I'am lucky because where I live we have 3 casinos within 25 mins. Apart I had a little chit chat with the pit boss today I asked him if they were going to get Rapid roulette he said no because in Vancouver it did not take off so I said well you try here it would work ,I really didn't care I was only thinking of my self it would be a lot more spins an hour lol. Isn't ironic that the head pit boss managers wife is one of my employee and they have no clue on what I do .
Sean, i'm currently looking at several variations based around bankroll. The above method plays up to 5 DSs, but requires a huge bankroll of at least 1,000.
Other variations:
Cheapest: play up to 3 DSs, but when 4 opens do not bet until it has gone back down to 3, so that includes not playing 5 and 6 (you would never play 6 anyway with the most expensive variation unless using the medium variations below but even then it might be best to always pause at 6).
Medium BR: play 3 DSs max and make sure one of them is in the same dozen for 4,5,6 open DSs. I am going to come up with a progression for this soon after I've done some testing and nailed down how to select the 3rd DS outside the dozen.
Another Medium BR variation: play up to 3 DSs to start with until 4+ opens then switch to only 2 DSs in any dozen. I don't think we would stick with the same pair necessarily throughout this phase, as warrior talks of "moving targets", so I guess we are following whatever DSs are forming dozens. But I can test this too to confirm.
Today on one of my 3 session of play I closed out the 3rd DS at 26 spins. The guy next to me was following my play but had no clue what I was doing , I was in it for 375$ and he would start by saying it's not your day , I don't talk to anyone when I'm playing , but I responded ,with this next spin I will win and I will leave because I'm getting hungry he looked at me like I was from another planet when I won . One of the lady dealers on the first session had a look in here eyes , like you poor soul why don't you just give up ,I'm only in for 15 spins she had no clue what was about to happen yes I looked at her, you poor soul you have to stand there for the next 30 mins and I left. Just thought I would share some of my experience .have a good one .Warrior
I can kinda see whats going on from Falkors posts, but the sudden emergence of a high BR has confused me..
Ive always read into this that it is within 37 spins, and you are winning 12u or so, usually within 14 or so spins.
Why do we need such a massive BR to win 12u in a handful of spins
That fact seems to have surfaced recently
Quote from: Turner on Nov 24, 05:20 PM 2014
I can kinda see whats going on from Falkors posts, but the sudden emergence of a high BR has confused me..
Ive always read into this that it is within 37 spins, and you are winning 12u or so, usually within 14 or so spins.
Why do we need such a massive BR to win 12u in a handful of spins
That fact seems to have surfaced recently
If you get a gap of 6 or 7 at the beginning of the cycle and are playing up to 5 DSs, a bankroll of 1,000 is required, but then you can win as much as you want in the next few levels upon reaching end of set. Just under 200 sets out of 70K+ opened up at around the 7 gap mark, ie. 7 losses in a row, but then you would be expected to make about 1,000 profit in completing those sets (about 300 x 3+)! Therefore you would end up doubling your money - guaranteed!
Quote from: Turner on Nov 24, 05:20 PM 2014
I can kinda see whats going on from Falkors posts, but the sudden emergence of a high BR has confused me..
Ive always read into this that it is within 37 spins, and you are winning 12u or so, usually within 14 or so spins.
Why do we need such a massive BR to win 12u in a handful of spins
That fact seems to have surfaced recently
12 unit is an example everyone should have a win goal like today my win goal was 25 units . It all depends on bank . We need reserve you cannot go with small bank ,today I needed my reserve it helps . Look at the Casinos they have a very large reserve ,yes they do lose but they have more then us to get them through the slump.
The method can close within 12 spins but not always ,you have to keep in mind that this is not a mechanical way of betting this is always in motion.
@ Falkor / Warrior - Thanks for the information / assitance. Yes it would be
great if a cheaper or a medium bankroll could be used for the system even if that
means betting only 3 or 4 DS. A bigger br could be used afterwards, using
Mr Casino $......
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 24, 05:44 PM 2014
@ Falkor / Warrior - Thanks for the information / assitance. Yes it would be
great if a cheaper or a medium bankroll could be used for the system even if that
means betting only 3 or 4 DS. A bigger br could be used afterwards, using
Mr Casino $......
Chris the idea is to make some of casino $ at the beginning so when you get to the last 2 sheeps your play with there money you must calculate how many spins you have left for the cycle to end and what your willing to risk from your winning ok.
Quote from: Chris555p on Nov 24, 05:44 PM 2014
@ Falkor / Warrior - Thanks for the information / assitance. Yes it would be
great if a cheaper or a medium bankroll could be used for the system even if that
means betting only 3 or 4 DS. A bigger br could be used afterwards, using
Mr Casino $......
5 DS max (expensive) stats look like this:
Sets: 72705
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5
3 DS max ignoring 4,5,6 completely (cheapest) stats look like this:
Sets: 72705
Gap0max: 18 Gap1max: 15 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5
The 18 (really = 17) progression will be divided into 3 phases:
Phase 1: betting 1-3 DSs until the 4th one has opened = how many spins? (some loss expected)
Phase 2: virtual losses (no betting) until 4 has gone up to maybe 5 or 6 and then come back down to 3 = how many spins? (dunno yet)
Phase 3: Resume betting to attempt to close the 4th DS based on how much you lost in Phase 1 and plan to recoup and maybe even come out with a profit = how many spins? (TBC)
So those 3 phases will never total more than a 17 step progression. The beginning starts out with flat-betting and the middle is purely virtual. 1,000 bankroll here would cover you for 11 actual placed bets @ 3 DSs (not including virtual bets or the virtually priceless flat-bets), but I'm anticipating about half that bankroll for this variation - TBC.
Note: the above is how to get out of a worst case scenario for a variation of the system with only limited functionality.
@ Falkor / Warrior - Yes thanks for the info
Quote from: falkor on Nov 24, 05:09 PM 2014
Sean, i'm currently looking at several variations based around bankroll. The above method plays up to 5 DSs, but requires a huge bankroll of at least 1,000.
Other variations:
Cheapest: play up to 3 DSs, but when 4 opens do not bet until it has gone back down to 3, so that includes not playing 5 and 6 (you would never play 6 anyway with the most expensive variation unless using the medium variations below but even then it might be best to always pause at 6).
Medium BR: play 3 DSs max and make sure one of them is in the same dozen for 4,5,6 open DSs. I am going to come up with a progression for this soon after I've done some testing and nailed down how to select the 3rd DS outside the dozen.
Another Medium BR variation: play up to 3 DSs to start with until 4+ opens then switch to only 2 DSs in any dozen. I don't think we would stick with the same pair necessarily throughout this phase, as warrior talks of "moving targets", so I guess we are following whatever DSs are forming dozens. But I can test this too to confirm.
Another variation is just to play 4 DSs, so that cuts out most of the huge BR of playing 5 by removing the last step of the progression so is another medium-to-high-end variation.
I've started charting some sets that will be helpful in understanding the optimum way of playing 2-3 DSs and testing how to corner them (part 1/10 attached)
Set, Winning Spin # (open DSs)
590 9 (4)
604 9 (4)
1312 9 (5)
1395 10 (4)
1509 9 (4)
1690 8 (6)
1703 8 (5)
2355 12 (3)
2633 8 (4)
2639 Oldest 8 (4)
2639 Dozen+Oldest 9 (4)
2639 Dozen+Newest 8 (4)
4070 Oldest 8 (5)
4070 Dozen+Oldest 8 (5)
4070 Dozen+Newest 8 (5)
5647 9 (5)
5747 8 (5)
6498 9 (4)
6625 Oldest 8 (4)
6625 Dozen+Oldest 8 (4)
6625 Dozen+Newest 8 (4)
7477 9 (5)
7590 8 (6)
8020 8 (5)
8039 9 (5)
8309 9 (4)
9092 8 (5)
9228 9 (5)
9422 11 (4)
9755 8 (5)
9902 8 (4)
10286 Oldest 8(5)
10286 Dozen+Oldest 8(5)
10286 Dozen+Newest 9(4)
10301 8 (5)
10511 Oldest 10 (4)
10511 Dozen+Oldest 11 (3)
10511 Dozen+Newest 10 (4)
10618 8 (3)
11042 8 (5)
11076 14 (2)
Staying on the same DSs here requires a bankroll of 14 (winning spin) - 4 (4 DSs opened) = 3 DS @ 10 steps = 1,000
However, the last set would have gone to the next level quicker if we dynamically changed our bet selection based on the dozens, but then I would have to re-test all the other sets again to see if that consistently wins.
Other less aggressive methods still to test: 2 DSs only based on dozen and not betting 4-6 at all.
Playing 4 DSs (160) might be cheaper than playing 3 DSs, but not cheaper than 5 DSs!
let me show you, how i understand the hidden tips so far.
1. play the first 3 ds that show. only if they are from different dozens.
example: 32,26 = skip 26 and wait for next number outside dozen 3.
quote from warrior: "if you have the first 3 and 2 are from the same dozen you would discard the black sheep until the shepherd has shown" +
"the first 3 are the ones you would start with then find a way to bet the rest"
2. close the ds only when 2 unique numbers show. leave it open when there are repeaters.
example: 22,22
quote from warrior: "when they have 2 numbers this would be complete remove them"
3. if a line is closed, play the individual unhit numbers from the second ds in the dozen and stop betting the other ds.
example: 33,36 hit, close ds 6, play all unhit numbers from ds 5
quote from warrior: "repeats and newbie numbers are the key" + "my thinking is you try to catch the numbers that are unique and the repeats and corner them as fast as
you can"
maybe warrior is playing against odds from 3 ds (18 numbers) and the unhit numbers (maybe 18, but during play more 11-14).
i dont know...just another idea :) brain damage :thumbsup:
Here's the set in question if anyone would like to test:
15
33
20
4
0
30
10
30
11
4
10
28
2
21
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24:
25-30:
31-36:
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24:
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12: 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12: 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12: 10 11
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20 21
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
Quote
1. play the first 3 ds that show. only if they are from different dozens.
example: 32,26 = skip 26 and wait for next number outside dozen 3.
quote from warrior: "if you have the first 3 and 2 are from the same dozen you would discard the black sheep until the shepherd has shown" +
"the first 3 are the ones you would start with then find a way to bet the rest"
I think he means play the ones that are in the same dozen, i.e. the DS opens so we play that; the dozen opens so we play that (as 2 x DS). But how do we select the 3rd? And do we keep on those 3 throughout the 4-6 open range or switch dynamically?
Quote2. close the ds only when 2 unique numbers show. leave it open when there are repeaters.
example: 22,22
quote from warrior: "when they have 2 numbers this would be complete remove them"
Yep - that's the most basic core of the system.
Quote3. if a line is closed, play the individual unhit numbers from the second ds in the dozen and stop betting the other ds.
example: 33,36 hit, close ds 6, play all unhit numbers from ds 5
quote from warrior: "repeats and newbie numbers are the key" + "my thinking is you try to catch the numbers that are unique and the repeats and corner them as fast as
you can"
OK, so we might look to corner streets in dozens (and then streets in dozens/repeats) during the 4-6 open range. If we are to play 3 DSs max on every spin then this is the most difficult part to master.
If I were to *dynamically* corner the above set then I might do it like this:
Edit: I think I made a mistake. Will retry below.
Pretty good! ;D (8th spin = same as the most expensive method, but with far less bankroll!)
This might actually be the way to go! In fact, I've re-analysed it and think that it should have been played even cheaper than I originally thought.
Edit: need to test again as I may have made a mistake.
Note sure if I was looking at the right set before, but this is one tough set: :thumbsup: >:D
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24:
25-30:
31-36:
One DS has appeared so we bet it (1 DS)
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24:
25-30:
31-36: 33
Two have appeared so we bet (2 DS)
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
Three have appeared so we bet (3 DS) but 2 are in the same dozen so maybe we should just bet 2 (2 DS)
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
4 have appeared, but 2 are in the same dozen (2 DS)
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
0 appeared so same bet (2 DS)
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30
31-36: 33
5 have appeared so we bet the 4 in the dozens (4 DS)
1-6: 4
7-12: 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30
31-36: 33
All 6 open so we bet nothing (0 DS)
1-6: 4
7-12: 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
25-30 has repeated so we bet that (1 DS)
1-6: 4
7-12: 10 11
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1 has repeated and 1 closed, so we bet the repeat (1 DS) or we bet those in the same dozens including the repeat (4 DS) or we bet the 2 in the dozen and repeat (2 DS)
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
None of the above won, but now we have another repeat, so we either bet the 2 repeats (2 DS) or we bet all 4 that are open (4 DS)
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
None of the above won! So we bet the 2 repeats (2 DS).
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
Won on the 12th spin! Bet the 1 repeat (1 DS)
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
Won! Bet the 3 remaining as each have 1 show (3 DS)
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20 21
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
Won! Bet the 2 remaining to try to close the 5th DS, but we are only on spin 14, so I wonder if that's wise?
Hi Warrior/Falkor/everyone
The thread is now about 18 page long, which is great.
To ensure everyone understands the system thoroughly, would it be possible to
write a summary description of the system; The best way to play the system so
that more members who are following the thread can be involved in detailed testing.
Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
It's still WIP since there's no right or wrong way to play it based on the idea/concept of playing a DS when it comes in until the same DS has appeared but with a new number (and perhaps some repeats along the way). You only aim to close up to 4 DSs per set of 37 max, but sometimes you may be able to work towards closing the 5th depending on the distribution of closed DSs vs. gaps. The problem is the different variations of playing involve different maximum numbers of lines in play at once. Previously I've been analysing this based on "levels" since if we played up to 5 DSs we will close or hit a repeat on 99% of the DSs, but other variations could miss several potential wins, so the way to progress this is by monitoring what spin number a DS has closed on (regardless of whether you won that or not) and then adjust betting based on whether a losing streak is due or a quick win/set of wins.
The above set took almost a BR of 500, so I wonder if I made the right decision here, as jumping to 4 DSs contributed most to this?
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30
31-36: 33
5 have appeared so we bet the 4 in the dozens (4 DS)
Falkor,
Time ago there was a system posted by i think warrior or buffster. I always play that system when going to casino. It goes like this:
You always play max 3 ds on every dozen as they come up.
Say
3 (play ds1 with 1 unit)
13( play ds 1 and 3 both with 1 unit)
36( play 1,3 and 6 with 1 unit.)
You play ds 1, ds 3 and ds 6.
If the next spin would be 26 (dozen 3 hits where you bet ds 6) you @ one unit on the ds 6 and keep playing it.
Next number is 4, now you play ds1 ( 2units) ds 3 still 1 unit,
Ds6 still stands on 2 units.
Next spin is 35, now you hit dozen 3, ds6 with 2 units. You remove all units on dozen 3 ds6 and keep playing.
Next spin 15. You hit dozen 2 ds 3 and win.
This system works great, the only problem is if the beginning keeps missing and you keep adding units. So maybe there is a way to combine this system with the info we have in here?
Grtz R
Based on what you've described that system is using a similar concept to DS Destruction. With this can we have 2 DSs in play on the same dozen or can each dozen only have 1 ds each?
I think warrior has combined it to some extent already by cornering the DSs using the dozens, but just how effective that is remains to be seen, though we have already encountered the worst possible set. Perhaps the rest will be plain sailing, but first I am going to generate some new stats based on when the DSs close, the spin number, and gaps. But not sure how to factor in repeats. The beginning of the cycle is where we can miss some closes or repeats, so is quite chaotic in both systems.
Here's the next stat I'll be generating for the 70K sets:
Sets: 73
(max gap) min/max spins to close each DS(max repeats):
9 DS1: 2/10(3) 8 DS2: 4/12(2) 7 DS3: 6/16(2) 12 DS4: 8/23(1)
No only one ds in a dozen, it can also be played with splits. Max 2 splits on each dozen , it gives good profit but also verry agressive when the splits dont show on time.
If they don't show on time then the DSs (or splits) inside the dozens may need a more steeper progression than just +1 unit? Has that system been tested over a high number of spins? Did it fail in the end?
Quote from: falkor on Nov 25, 01:25 PM 2014
Here's the next stat I'll be generating for the 70K sets:
Sets: 73
(max gap) min/max spins to close each DS(max repeats):
9 DS1: 2/10(3) 8 DS2: 4/12(2) 7 DS3: 6/16(2) 12 DS4: 8/23(1)
This should read: lowest/highest spin # to close each DS
Im trying to find the system again, i think it was not buffster or warior but turbogenius. I dont know the name of the site anymore. Mostly good results with it if you dont have to much sleepers, i had a few times that i went from 50 units to 200+. So if you know a good idea to cover the sleepers its a very good system.
I tried the "DS inside dozen system" that Rewster88 suggested tonight at the casino on the way home from work and won about 11 units after 10 spins. I wanted to have a really good go of it, but was so happy with the first 2 wins that I decided to just leave and get back to testing warrior's system. Spins:
7
3
22
17
3
6
(7)
16
10
(24)
First set of stats are in!
Sets: 72705
max gap, lowest/highest spin # to close each DS(max repeats): 12, DS1: 2/13(5), 14, DS2: 4/21(6), 19, DS3: 6/26(6), 23, DS4: 8/37(6)
Quote from: falkor on Nov 25, 04:35 PM 2014
First set of stats are in!
Sets: 72705
max gap, lowest/highest spin # to close each DS(max repeats): 12, DS1: 2/13(5), 14, DS2: 4/21(6), 19, DS3: 6/26(6), 23, DS4: 8/37(6)
Falkor,
I must say ....you are a driven man, and your efforts are appreciated.
My problem is that I havnt a clue what you are talking about.
It looks like the program code for Apollo Eagle lander, to me.
Could you stretch to more understandable explanations.
Appreciate your hard work.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 25, 05:08 PM 2014
Falkor,
I must say ....you are a driven man, and your efforts are appreciated.
My problem is that I havnt a clue what you are talking about.
It looks like the program code for Apollo Eagle lander, to me.
Could you stretch to more understandable explanations.
Appreciate your hard work.
12, DS1: 2/13(5)
The first DS has a maximum sleep of 12 spins before it hits
12, DS1: 2/
13(5)
So the highest spin number it will appear on is the next spin after the gap of 12 = 13
12, DS1: 2/13
(5)To get to spin 13 it might first repeat itself up to 5 times before a new number appears to close it.
12, DS1:
2/13(5)
Contrary to 13, DS1 can open on spin 1 and close straight after on spin 2! And this lowest spin # result (2) happens more than the highest (13)!
Quote from: falkor on Nov 25, 05:24 PM 2014
12, DS1: 2/13(5)
The first DS has a maximum sleep of 12 spins before it hits
12, DS1: 2/13(5)
So the highest spin number it will appear on is the next spin after the gap of 12 = 13
12, DS1: 2/13(5)
To get to spin 13 it might first repeat itself up to 5 times before a new number appears to close it.
12, DS1: 2/13(5)
Contrary to 13, DS1 can open on spin 1 and close straight after on spin 2! And this lowest spin # result (2) happens more than the highest (13)!
Thanks for your time
Falkor thats the best way to play it in short run. 11 units is nice in 10 spins. Maybe play it max 12 spins and if lose that session starr next session with 2 units base or 2 units and still go up +1 for the milder version.
I found this from warrior
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Main Roulette Board / LAW OF OF REPEATS
« on: July 23, 2012, 01:52:32 PM »
This is my last contibution on this forum ,this one i have not tested or care to test just have no more time for this ,but when somtheing comes in my head i no it will win.
We all no the theory behinde the L.O.T ,there is always a repeat within 37 spin on any dozens,the idea is to pay att.to all 3 dozens,there has to be 5 unique numbers within the dozen to qualify,within 37 spins.
If there is repeats on all 3 dozens its a void ,we start to track over again,now once we have 5 unique numbers we bet on that dozen until it has a repeat then we start all over again.
But still paying att.to how many spin, it has to be with in 37 so while betting keep track of the numbers coming in ,we need to stay with the LAW if there is such a thingy like two cat would say.
The repeat when betting is not on the dozen it self but it has to be a number repeat within that dozen ,so if you win on that dozen and its not a repeat number stay on that dozen until it does.
Well that's all all folks its been great here learn lots from everyone,i will only be here for a couple of days to answer any ? on this but i think its pretty much straight forward if some one wants to test this great if not no big deal it will go un notice like a lot of good systems on here.
take care Warrior
agesta
Latest stats:
DS1 = 11 Set: 11042 Data: 10 DS1: 11(2) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 1 DS4: 15(0) (Set: 11042)
DS1 = 11 Set: 13274 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 1 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 0 DS4: 15(0) (Set: 13274)
DS1 = 11 Set: 14339 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 1 DS2: 13(0) 1 DS3: 15(0) 0 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 14339)
DS1 = 11 Set: 15239 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(0) 0 DS4: 15(0) (Set: 15239)
DS1 = 11 Set: 15889 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 2 DS3: 15(1) 2 DS4: 18(0) (Set: 15889)
DS1 = 11 Set: 17540 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 0 DS4: 14(0) (Set: 17540)
DS1 = 11 Set: 18401 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 2 DS2: 14(1) 1 DS3: 16(0) 1 DS4: 18(0) (Set: 18401)
DS1 = 11 Set: 18773 Data: 9 DS1: 11(3) 1 DS2: 13(1) 4 DS3: 18(1) 3 DS4: 22(2) (Set: 18773)
DS1 = 11 Set: 24180 Data: 10 DS1: 11(2) 1 DS2: 13(1) 2 DS3: 16(0) 7 DS4: 24(1) (Set: 24180)
DS1 = 11 Set: 28298 Data: 10 DS1: 11(1) 1 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 0 DS4: 15(0) (Set: 28298)
DS1 = 11 Set: 28965 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 5 DS3: 18(0) 1 DS4: 20(0) (Set: 28965)
DS1 = 11 Set: 30050 Data: 10 DS1: 11(5) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(0) 2 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 30050)
DS1 = 11 Set: 30363 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 2 DS3: 15(0) 1 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 30363)
DS1 = 11 Set: 32879 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 0 DS2: 12(0) 5 DS3: 18(0) 0 DS4: 19(0) (Set: 32879)
DS1 = 11 Set: 33471 Data: 9 DS1: 11(2) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(0) 7 DS4: 22(0) (Set: 33471)
DS1 = 11 Set: 34204 Data: 9 DS1: 11(2) 1 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 2 DS4: 17(2) (Set: 34204)
DS1 = 11 Set: 34320 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 2 DS2: 14(1) 0 DS3: 15(0) 0 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 34320)
DS1 = 11 Set: 36341 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 4 DS2: 16(2) 7 DS3: 24(1) 2 DS4: 27(0) (Set: 36341)
DS1 = 11 Set: 36373 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(1) 1 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 36373)
DS1 = 11 Set: 42236 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 4 DS4: 18(2) (Set: 42236)
DS1 = 11 Set: 48357 Data: 9 DS1: 11(2) 1 DS2: 13(1) 0 DS3: 14(0) 0 DS4: 15(0) (Set: 48357)
DS1 = 11 Set: 486 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 1 DS2: 13(0) 2 DS3: 16(1) 0 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 486)
DS1 = 11 Set: 4887 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(0) 1 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 4887)
DS1 = 11 Set: 50620 Data: 10 DS1: 11(2) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 0 DS4: 14(0) (Set: 50620)
DS1 = 11 Set: 51142 Data: 8 DS1: 11(1) 0 DS2: 12(0) 5 DS3: 18(1) 0 DS4: 19(0) (Set: 51142)
DS1 = 11 Set: 53769 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(0) 8 DS4: 23(1) (Set: 53769)
DS1 = 11 Set: 55871 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 3 DS3: 16(1) 0 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 55871)
DS1 = 11 Set: 56374 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 5 DS4: 19(0) (Set: 56374)
DS1 = 11 Set: 56757 Data: 10 DS1: 11(5) 0 DS2: 12(0) 2 DS3: 15(0) 1 DS4: 17(1) (Set: 56757)
DS1 = 11 Set: 57600 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 1 DS2: 13(1) 0 DS3: 14(0) 5 DS4: 20(1) (Set: 57600)
DS1 = 11 Set: 5822 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 2 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 5822)
DS1 = 11 Set: 59083 Data: 10 DS1: 11(2) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(0) 1 DS4: 16(1) (Set: 59083)
DS1 = 11 Set: 60033 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 1 DS4: 15(0) (Set: 60033)
DS1 = 11 Set: 61083 Data: 10 DS1: 11(1) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 0 DS4: 14(0) (Set: 61083)
DS1 = 11 Set: 62757 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 1 DS2: 13(0) 2 DS3: 16(2) 0 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 62757)
DS1 = 11 Set: 719 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 0 DS2: 12(0) 0 DS3: 13(0) 0 DS4: 14(0) (Set: 719)
DS1 = 11 Set: 7950 Data: 10 DS1: 11(4) 0 DS2: 12(0) 1 DS3: 14(0) 2 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 7950)
DS1 = 11 Set: 8598 Data: 10 DS1: 11(5) 2 DS2: 14(0) 1 DS3: 16(0) 4 DS4: 21(0) (Set: 8598)
DS1 = 12 Set: 10095 Data: 11 DS1: 12(4) 1 DS2: 14(0) 1 DS3: 16(1) 4 DS4: 21(0) (Set: 10095)
DS1 = 12 Set: 19307 Data: 11 DS1: 12(5) 0 DS2: 13(0) 5 DS3: 19(0) 1 DS4: 21(1) (Set: 19307)
DS1 = 12 Set: 20921 Data: 11 DS1: 12(3) 0 DS2: 13(0) 1 DS3: 15(1) 4 DS4: 20(0) (Set: 20921)
DS1 = 12 Set: 22188 Data: 11 DS1: 12(3) 0 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 1 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 22188)
DS1 = 12 Set: 2434 Data: 10 DS1: 12(4) 0 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 5 DS4: 20(0) (Set: 2434)
DS1 = 12 Set: 39957 Data: 11 DS1: 12(5) 0 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 1 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 39957)
DS1 = 12 Set: 45954 Data: 11 DS1: 12(4) 1 DS2: 14(0) 1 DS3: 16(0) 0 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 45954)
DS1 = 12 Set: 49501 Data: 11 DS1: 12(4) 2 DS2: 15(1) 0 DS3: 16(0) 1 DS4: 18(0) (Set: 49501)
DS1 = 12 Set: 56123 Data: 11 DS1: 12(4) 0 DS2: 13(0) 6 DS3: 20(0) 1 DS4: 22(1) (Set: 56123)
DS1 = 12 Set: 57868 Data: 10 DS1: 12(4) 0 DS2: 13(0) 1 DS3: 15(1) 0 DS4: 16(0) (Set: 57868)
DS1 = 12 Set: 63001 Data: 11 DS1: 12(5) 0 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 5 DS4: 20(0) (Set: 63001)
DS1 = 12 Set: 66632 Data: 11 DS1: 12(5) 0 DS2: 13(0) 0 DS3: 14(0) 2 DS4: 17(0) (Set: 66632)
DS1 = 13 Set: 27110 Data: 12 DS1: 13(5) 1 DS2: 15(0) 0 DS3: 16(0) 1 DS4: 18(0) (Set: 27110)
DS1 = 13 Set: 61354 Data: 12 DS1: 13(4) 3 DS2: 17(1) 0 DS3: 18(0) 0 DS4: 19(0) (Set: 61354)
DS2 = 18 Set: 16860 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 14 DS2: 18(1) 0 DS3: 19(0) 4 DS4: 24(1) (Set: 16860)
DS2 = 18 Set: 60113 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 13 DS2: 18(6) 1 DS3: 20(0) 0 DS4: 21(0) (Set: 60113)
DS2 = 18 Set: 65269 Data: 3 DS1: 4(1) 13 DS2: 18(2) 1 DS3: 20(0) 3 DS4: 24(1) (Set: 65269)
DS2 = 19 Set: 29823 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 14 DS2: 19(3) 1 DS3: 21(1) 0 DS4: 22(0) (Set: 29823)
DS2 = 19 Set: 30405 Data: 9 DS1: 10(3) 8 DS2: 19(3) 1 DS3: 21(1) 0 DS4: 22(0) (Set: 30405)
DS2 = 19 Set: 8755 Data: 6 DS1: 7(3) 11 DS2: 19(3) 0 DS3: 20(0) 4 DS4: 25(1) (Set: 8755)
DS2 = 21 Set: 16972 Data: 5 DS1: 6(1) 14 DS2: 21(4) 2 DS3: 24(2) 2 DS4: 27(0) (Set: 16972)
DS3 = 22 Set: 10894 Data: 7 DS1: 8(1) 2 DS2: 11(0) 10 DS3: 22(3) 1 DS4: 24(0) (Set: 10894)
DS3 = 22 Set: 1250 Data: 9 DS1: 10(5) 2 DS2: 13(0) 8 DS3: 22(2) 1 DS4: 24(1) (Set: 1250)
DS3 = 22 Set: 16138 Data: 2 DS1: 4(0) 1 DS2: 6(1) 10 DS3: 22(2) 5 DS4: 28(1) (Set: 16138)
DS3 = 22 Set: 21185 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 2 DS2: 6(0) 12 DS3: 22(0) 2 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 21185)
DS3 = 22 Set: 32609 Data: 3 DS1: 4(1) 3 DS2: 8(0) 13 DS3: 22(5) 0 DS4: 23(0) (Set: 32609)
DS3 = 22 Set: 40734 Data: 2 DS1: 4(0) 9 DS2: 14(1) 7 DS3: 22(1) 0 DS4: 23(0) (Set: 40734)
DS3 = 22 Set: 44411 Data: 8 DS1: 9(1) 0 DS2: 10(0) 11 DS3: 22(3) 2 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 44411)
DS3 = 22 Set: 45695 Data: 5 DS1: 6(1) 0 DS2: 7(0) 14 DS3: 22(3) 1 DS4: 24(0) (Set: 45695)
DS3 = 22 Set: 51753 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 2 DS2: 7(1) 14 DS3: 22(1) 2 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 51753)
DS3 = 22 Set: 5484 Data: 6 DS1: 7(1) 3 DS2: 11(1) 10 DS3: 22(1) 2 DS4: 25(1) (Set: 5484)
DS3 = 22 Set: 55411 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 2 DS2: 6(0) 15 DS3: 22(0) 2 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 55411)
DS3 = 22 Set: 57728 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 2 DS2: 7(0) 14 DS3: 22(4) 7 DS4: 30(0) (Set: 57728)
DS3 = 22 Set: 59320 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 4 DS2: 8(0) 13 DS3: 22(2) 2 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 59320)
DS3 = 22 Set: 61842 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 6 DS2: 9(0) 12 DS3: 22(4) 2 DS4: 25(1) (Set: 61842)
DS3 = 22 Set: 64447 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 7 DS2: 11(3) 10 DS3: 22(0) 2 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 64447)
DS3 = 22 Set: 6667 Data: 7 DS1: 8(1) 0 DS2: 9(0) 12 DS3: 22(2) 0 DS4: 23(0) (Set: 6667)
DS3 = 22 Set: 66674 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 0 DS2: 4(0) 12 DS3: 22(0) 6 DS4: 29(1) (Set: 66674)
DS3 = 22 Set: 67186 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 6 DS2: 11(2) 10 DS3: 22(2) 5 DS4: 28(1) (Set: 67186)
DS3 = 22 Set: 70365 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 3 DS2: 8(0) 13 DS3: 22(1) 0 DS4: 23(0) (Set: 70365)
DS3 = 22 Set: 7797 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 2 DS2: 5(0) 15 DS3: 22(2) 0 DS4: 23(0) (Set: 7797)
DS3 = 23 Set: 16039 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 2 DS2: 5(0) 17 DS3: 23(5) 1 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 16039)
DS3 = 23 Set: 24835 Data: 4 DS1: 5(1) 5 DS2: 11(2) 11 DS3: 23(1) 0 DS4: 24(0) (Set: 24835)
DS3 = 23 Set: 34804 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 0 DS2: 4(0) 18 DS3: 23(2) 0 DS4: 24(0) (Set: 34804)
DS3 = 23 Set: 50422 Data: 6 DS1: 7(1) 0 DS2: 8(0) 14 DS3: 23(4) 0 DS4: 24(0) (Set: 50422)
DS3 = 23 Set: 55519 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 7 DS2: 10(0) 12 DS3: 23(3) 1 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 55519)
DS3 = 23 Set: 58241 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 7 DS2: 12(1) 10 DS3: 23(2) 0 DS4: 24(0) (Set: 58241)
DS3 = 23 Set: 67668 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 6 DS2: 9(1) 13 DS3: 23(3) 2 DS4: 26(0) (Set: 67668)
DS3 = 23 Set: 70132 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 6 DS2: 10(1) 12 DS3: 23(2) 0 DS4: 24(0) (Set: 70132)
DS3 = 23 Set: 9640 Data: 4 DS1: 5(0) 5 DS2: 11(1) 11 DS3: 23(2) 2 DS4: 26(0) (Set: 9640)
DS3 = 24 Set: 16972 Data: 5 DS1: 6(1) 14 DS2: 21(4) 2 DS3: 24(2) 2 DS4: 27(0) (Set: 16972)
DS3 = 24 Set: 36341 Data: 10 DS1: 11(3) 4 DS2: 16(2) 7 DS3: 24(1) 2 DS4: 27(0) (Set: 36341)
DS3 = 24 Set: 5528 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 7 DS2: 11(1) 12 DS3: 24(4) 0 DS4: 25(0) (Set: 5528)
DS3 = 24 Set: 55693 Data: 5 DS1: 7(1) 6 DS2: 14(1) 9 DS3: 24(2) 3 DS4: 28(1) (Set: 55693)
DS3 = 25 Set: 22977 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 7 DS2: 10(0) 14 DS3: 25(3) 2 DS4: 28(0) (Set: 22977)
DS3 = 25 Set: 57383 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 4 DS2: 8(0) 16 DS3: 25(1) 0 DS4: 26(0) (Set: 57383)
DS3 = 25 Set: 65844 Data: 4 DS1: 5(0) 1 DS2: 7(0) 17 DS3: 25(1) 2 DS4: 28(0) (Set: 65844)
DS3 = 26 Set: 32755 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 2 DS2: 6(0) 19 DS3: 26(5) 3 DS4: 30(0) (Set: 32755)
DS3 = 26 Set: 55231 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 2 DS2: 6(0) 19 DS3: 26(3) 10 DS4: 37(1) (Set: 55231)
DS4 = 32 Set: 17973 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 1 DS2: 5(0) 0 DS3: 6(0) 12 DS4: 32(1) (Set: 17973)
DS4 = 32 Set: 28181 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 2 DS2: 5(0) 2 DS3: 8(0) 23 DS4: 32(1) (Set: 28181)
DS4 = 32 Set: 28715 Data: 3 DS1: 4(1) 1 DS2: 6(0) 13 DS3: 20(1) 11 DS4: 32(1) (Set: 28715)
DS4 = 32 Set: 3397 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 5 DS2: 9(1) 5 DS3: 15(0) 16 DS4: 32(3) (Set: 3397)
DS4 = 32 Set: 40963 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 7 DS2: 11(0) 0 DS3: 12(0) 19 DS4: 32(2) (Set: 40963)
DS4 = 32 Set: 59504 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 5 DS2: 8(1) 5 DS3: 14(1) 17 DS4: 32(0) (Set: 59504)
DS4 = 32 Set: 62825 Data: 4 DS1: 5(0) 0 DS2: 6(0) 7 DS3: 14(0) 17 DS4: 32(2) (Set: 62825)
DS4 = 33 Set: 48196 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 0 DS2: 5(0) 3 DS3: 9(0) 20 DS4: 33(1) (Set: 48196)
DS4 = 33 Set: 48757 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 4 DS2: 8(1) 4 DS3: 13(0) 19 DS4: 33(2) (Set: 48757)
DS4 = 33 Set: 69937 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 2 DS2: 7(1) 3 DS3: 11(0) 21 DS4: 33(3) (Set: 69937)
DS4 = 34 Set: 30309 Data: 2 DS1: 3(1) 2 DS2: 6(0) 1 DS3: 11(0) 22 DS4: 34(1) (Set: 30309)
DS4 = 34 Set: 5533 Data: 4 DS1: 5(1) 0 DS2: 6(0) 5 DS3: 12(0) 21 DS4: 34(4) (Set: 5533)
DS4 = 34 Set: 62868 Data: 7 DS1: 8(1) 1 DS2: 10(0) 1 DS3: 12(0) 21 DS4: 34(4) (Set: 62868)
DS4 = 34 Set: 68509 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 3 DS2: 8(1) 1 DS3: 10(0) 20 DS4: 34(0) (Set: 68509)
DS4 = 37 Set: 32009 Data: 4 DS1: 5(0) 0 DS2: 6(0) 7 DS3: 14(1) 22 DS4: 37(0) (Set: 32009)
DS4 = 37 Set: 55231 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 2 DS2: 6(0) 19 DS3: 26(3) 10 DS4: 37(1) (Set: 55231)
More stats attached!
DS2 = 4 Set: 60 DS3 = 6 Set: 60 DS4 = 8 Set: 60 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 0 DS2: 4(0) 1 DS3: 6(0) 1 DS4: 8(0) (Set: 60)
DS1 = 2 Set: 65 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 3 DS2: 7(0) 1 DS3: 9(0) 8 DS4: 18(0) (Set: 65)
DS4 = 8 Set: 70 Data: 2 DS1: 3(0) 2 DS2: 6(0) 0 DS3: 7(0) 0 DS4: 8(0) (Set: 70)
DS1 = 2 Set: 80 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 3 DS2: 6(0) 4 DS3: 11(1) 2 DS4: 14(1) (Set: 80)
DS3 = 6 Set: 84 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 0 DS2: 5(0) 0 DS3: 6(0) 5 DS4: 14(0) (Set: 84)
DS2 closed immediately after DS1: 0 Set: 1483 Data: 5 DS1: 6(1) 0 DS2: 7(0) 1 DS3: 9(0) 1 DS4: 11(0) (Set: 1483)
DS3 closed immediately after DS2: 0 Set: 1484 DS2 closed immediately after DS1: 0 Set: 1484 Data: 7 DS1: 8(2) 0 DS2: 9(0) 0 DS3: 10(0) 3 DS4: 14(0) (Set: 1484)
DS1 closed immediately after opening: 1 Set: 1488 Data: 1 DS1: 2(0) 2 DS2: 5(0) 2 DS3: 8(0) 2 DS4: 11(0) (Set: 1488)
DS4 closed immediately after DS3: 0 Set: 1490 DS3 closed immediately after DS2: 0 Set: 1490 Data: 4 DS1: 5(0) 1 DS2: 7(0) 0 DS3: 8(0) 0 DS4: 9(0) (Set: 1490)
DS4 closed immediately after DS3: 0 Set: 1492 Data: 3 DS1: 4(0) 3 DS2: 8(0) 5 DS3: 14(0) 0 DS4: 15(0) (Set: 1492)
Hello everyone . Falkor thanks for all the work you put into this try and find a way to put a bet selection together that will give you a consistent profit on three blind mice and you shall be rewarded .
For those who put the effort reward will come to you . It is HUGE. :thumbsup:
Three Blind Mice is not a bad name for the system actually! So we going with that or DS Destruction?
Warrior, can you lose with your current system? I mean, can you create a string of numbers that would make you lose if it came up your way? If the answer is yes, can you show an example of a losing session?
Thanks!
Quote from: vladir on Nov 26, 10:52 AM 2014
Warrior, can you lose with your current system? I mean, can you create a string of numbers that would make you lose if it came up your way? If the answer is yes, can you show an example of a losing session?
Thanks!
Individual Bets do lose ,but sessions are won 100% of the time. :thumbsup:
Quote from: falkor on Nov 25, 07:45 AM 2014
Here's the set in question if anyone would like to test:
15
33
20
4
0
30
10
30
11
4
10
28
2
21
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24:
25-30:
31-36:
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24:
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6:
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30:
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12:
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12: 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12: 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4
7-12: 10 11
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 10 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20 21
25-30: 30 30 28
31-36: 33
Hi warrior, would you consider the above a tough session? Would have you have gone for the 5th DS?
Quote from: warrior on Nov 26, 10:56 AM 2014
Individual Bets do lose ,but sessions are won 100% of the time. :thumbsup:
100% of time... With how much bankroll?
And you can't imagine a sequence of spins that would wipe out that bankroll?
Quote from: falkor on Nov 26, 11:03 AM 2014
Hi warrior, would you consider the above a tough session? Would have you have gone for the 5th DS?
I think I blinked and it won but if you have 37 spins to complete the session it would better because there is 2 within 2 within 2 to complete the none losing roulette method :thumbsup:
Quote from: vladir on Nov 26, 11:09 AM 2014
100% of time... With how much bankroll?
And you can't imagine a sequence of spins that would wipe out that bankroll?
Once in a while I will encounter a 6 in row loss every 3000 spins ,but I would still win the session.i hope that helps
How much bankroll the more the better :xd: but I have a Life time of 2000$ But a 1000 will do.
I know the question will be asked can this be played on American wheel yes there is no difference 0/00 are the green fairy instead on one wish I get 2 there's that 2 again >: :)
Quote from: falkor on Nov 25, 07:45 AM 2014
Here's the set in question if anyone would like to test:
15
33
20
4
0
30
10
30
11
4
10
28
2
21
Here's the rest of the numbers:
3
0
16
21
30
31
9
28
26
24
31
2
10
13
2
33
0
10
30
19
8
35
26
Falkor, how are you playing if I may ask?
Quote from: warrior on Nov 26, 11:24 AM 2014
How much bankroll the more the better :xd: but I have a Life time of 2000$ But a 1000 will do.
Thanks. It helps to get an idea of what to expect.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 13, 09:09 PM 2014
Here are the results you made 20 units by the 19 spins very good.
Starting from the second spin I believe that you guys will figure this out.
+ 5 +4 +3 +1 -2 +1 -1 -7. -23 -41 + 15 + 20 good job
warrior, the excel file you refering to refresh its numbers on every download.
so we cant follow your bets.
could you please show us on a new example how you reach your wingoal
with the above +- units?
here are the numbers from falkor:
15
33
20
4
0
30
10
30
11
4
10
28
2
21
3
0
16
21
30
31
9
28
26
24
31
2
10
13
2
33
0
10
30
19
8
35
26
thanks
Falkor results
15 33 20 4 0 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
L w
3 0 16 21 30 31 9 28 26 24 31 2 10 13 2 33 0 10 30 19 8 35 26
W
At the very least 222 will make 2 unit .i have had up to 7 units in a 2 frame game.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 24, 12:07 PM 2014
I believe it's the Law of the Third working in conjunction with the carpet layout that makes this system work. The designers made a mistake there - they should have just allowed single numbers alone.
I was going to add this in my early threads but I did not want it to sound like bull crap because I take this game seriously .but yes if they were to design it with single numbers it would take way more bank and table limits would play a roll , not that I would hit these limits ,I would reverse those too with the mm,they put limits for a reason so the player cannot go on a wild win streak and close the table .
Quote from: warrior on Nov 26, 01:19 PM 2014
Falkor results
15 33 20 4 0 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
L w
3 0 16 21 30 31 9 28 26 24 31 2 10 13 2 33 0 10 30 19 8 35 26
W
Warrior,
In the quote above, there were two numbers missing from the series of 37 numbers that were posted by falkor and then RFMAXX for study. Given these two numbers (in red below), would you bet this session differently? Also, i see one loss and two wins. Does that mean you only bet three times in this session?
15 33 20 4 0 30 10 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
3 0 16 21 30 31 9 28 26 24 31 2 10 13 2 33 0 10 30 19 8 35 26
Quote from: warrior on Nov 26, 01:19 PM 2014
Falkor results
15 33 20 4 0 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
L w
3 0 16 21 30 31 9 28 26 24 31 2 10 13 2 33 0 10 30 19 8 35 26
W
Ok let's go with the above series of numbers. I will play Sherlock Holmes. I see three bets on the following three states:
Bet #1
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 28
31-36: 33
On Bet #1, it appears Warrior waited until six lines had opened, and three had closed, before betting on 1-3 of the open lines. Since the next number was 2, that bet would have been lost, since that one hit on a line that was closed already.
Bet #2
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 28
31-36: 33
Bet #2 appears to have been a repeat of Bet #1, betting on 1-3 open lines for one of them to close. 21 came and closed at least one of the lines being bet on for a win.
Bet #3
1-6: 4 4 2 3 2
7-12: 11 10 9
13-18: 15 16
19-24: 20 21 21 24
25-30: 30 28 30 28 26
31-36: 33 31 31
Bet #3 would have been placed under the above state of affairs, where all six lines are closed. If that were the case, I don't understand the logic of the bet selection from this data, and can only ask Warrior, is this the state you were betting on?
Mystery Bet
1-6: 3 2
7-12: 9
13-18: 16
19-24: 21 24
25-30: 30 31 28 26 31
31-36:
On the other hand, if Warrior started re-tracking after the first win, then the third bet would have been on something like the above, where three of the lines are already closed. In that case, his third bet would have been similar to his first two.
OMG, I AM SO PROUD OF THIS SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :love:
Now we can get down to figuring out some rules - YEAH!!! O0
Wow!
I don't really understand it yet but it looks amazing!
Good work! I also still dont know how to put this info in a good clear system.
Quote from: Still on Nov 26, 02:12 PM 2014
Warrior,
In the quote above, there were two numbers missing from the series of 37 numbers that were posted by falkor and then RFMAXX for study. Given these two numbers (in red below), would you bet this session differently? Also, i see one loss and two wins. Does that mean you only bet three times in this session?
15 33 20 4 0 30 10 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
W on the 21 , even better no L on the 2 I did go back and check but I now I missed something .
3 0 16 21 30 31 9 28 26 24 31 2 10 13 2 33 0 10 30 19 8 35 26
Quote from: Still on Nov 26, 03:32 PM 2014
Ok let's go with the above series of numbers. I will play Sherlock Holmes. I see three bets on the following three states:
Bet #1
1-6: 4 4
7-12: 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 28
31-36: 33
On Bet #1, it appears Warrior waited until six lines had opened, and three had closed, before betting on 1-3 of the open lines. Since the next number was 2, that bet would have been lost, since that one hit on a line that was closed already.
Bet #2
1-6: 4 4 2
7-12: 11 10
13-18: 15
19-24: 20
25-30: 30 28
31-36: 33
Bet #2 appears to have been a repeat of Bet #1, betting on 1-3 open lines for one of them to close. 21 came and closed at least one of the lines being bet on for a win.
Bet #3
1-6: 4 4 2 3 2
7-12: 11 10 9
13-18: 15 16
19-24: 20 21 21 24
25-30: 30 28 30 28 26
31-36: 33 31 31
Bet #3 would have been placed under the above state of affairs, where all six lines are closed. If that were the case, I don't understand the logic of the bet selection from this data, and can only ask Warrior, is this the state you were betting on?
Mystery Bet
1-6: 3 2
7-12: 9
13-18: 16
19-24: 21 24
25-30: 30 31 28 26 31
31-36:
On the other hand, if Warrior started re-tracking after the first win, then the third bet would have been on something like the above, where three of the lines are already closed. In that case, his third bet would have been similar to his first two.
Everyone will come to there own way of betting, the idea is what I'm trying to teach because there are many variables to this idea but only one of them is really good.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 26, 04:07 PM 2014
OMG, I AM SO PROUD OF THIS SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :love:
Now we can get down to figuring out some rules - YEAH!!! O0
Go for it Falkor I know you will find a way to bet this so it wins consistently !!!
I have 3 ways that I use this idea and they all win. :thumbsup:
Hi everyone. This is my first post!
Quote from: warrior on Nov 26, 05:43 PM 2014
I have 3 ways that I use this idea and they all win. :thumbsup:
That's great! So would you mind sharing at least one?
Thank you!
Lord almighty falkor thanks for your time and dedication but explain!!
Basic Rules (not including MM)
Any volunteers to explain the basics for RouletteGhost and co?
Starting session/bankroll, the beginning of the cycle and closing the first DS.
*The beginning of the cycle is crucial to understanding how the rest of the set will play out.
*You can incur a gap of 0-12 losses before the first DS closes at spin 2-13.
*Quick closes will occur more frequently than long closures (average is 3 spins for DS 1), but you still need a big bankroll to allow for a potential progression (beginning with a few flat-bets) of up to 12 losses.
*Repeats can help cut down the max opening progression from about 12 down to 8, and early ones can also play a part in reducing later losses (see below).
*Playing 5 simultaneous DSs requires a bankroll of at least 1,000, but is only likely to miss during 1 situation when 6 DSs are open and you were forced to miss out a bet.
*Missing out certain bets and playing a maximum of 3 DSs - cornering the open DSs based on those that have repeated and those open in the same dozen - is recommended to keep the bankroll at less than 500; simply moving to 4+ DSs will double that requirement.
*Sometimes you will miss the first DS and/or accompanying repeats - particularly after 6 DSs have opened without a close (2% of the time), so the first half of the set can be quite chaotic at times. Can the 2nd be missed too playing up to 3 DSs - even with effective cornering? If so a higher bankroll may be needed or stop loss (or missing out more bets, i.e virtual losses).
*The quicker the first DS closes the more proceeding danger there is of a larger gap before any one (only one!) of the next DSs (or collection of evenly distributed medium gaps).
*The longer the first DS takes to close the quicker the 2nd DS will close:
Spin #2-6 = up to 14 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #7 = up to 11 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 = up to 8 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #11 = up to 4 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #12-13 (including minimum of 3 repeats) = up to 3 spins for DS 2 (average 0-1)
*Though DS 3-4 do not concern us at the beginning, they are also heavily affected by the opening DS, so thinking ahead is wise:
Spin #12-13 - the longest gap before DS 1 closes - means DS 2,3 and 4 will close in a maximum of 2,6 and 5 spins respectively. That's quite a revelation considering that DS 3 to DS 4 under normal circumstances can have a losing streak of up to 23, so the reduction is drastic! Further medium gaps in the proceeding DSs means even less spins for DS 3-4 to close.
*High opening gaps in combination with 1 or more repeats can also reduce the spins between hits for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th; in this way DS 2 is affected as follows:
Spin #2-6 + 1 repeat = 14 spins down to 13 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #2-6 + 2 repeats = 14 spins down to 8 max for DS 2 (average 2)
Spin #2-6 + 3 repeats = 14 spins down to 3 max for DS 2 (average 2)
Spin #7 + 1-3 repeats = 11 spins down to 7-11 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #7 + 4 repeats = 11 spins down to 4 max for DS 2 (average 4)
Spin #8-10 + 1-3 repeats = 8 spins down to 6-8 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 + 4 repeats = 8 spins down to max 5 for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 + 5 repeats = 8 spins down to max 2 for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #11 + 1-5 repeats = 4 spins down to max 1-4 for DS 2 (average 0)
Spin #12-13 + 5 repeats = 3 spins down to max 1 for DS 2 (average 0)
*Once 3 DSs have been closed then you are unlikely to miss the 4th DS because you go back to playing the remaining 3 open DSs simultaneously, so "half time" is over, the 2nd half begins, and you can even consider going for the 5th DS depending on what spin number you are at and how many repeats you had in total - perhaps just betting the unhit individual numbers of the remaining two!
This kinda reminds me of Winkel's GUT system, except with Lines instead of single bets.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 26, 08:22 PM 2014
This kinda reminds me of Winkel's GUT system, except with Lines instead of single bets.
I'm sorry, but this is WAY beyond winkel's gut! With the first crossing you are betting up to 18 numbers that can lose 8 times in a row though he only lets you lose those 18 chips x 3 before heading for the next disaster! winkel cannot win every set, but warrior can! Even winkel's claims that he ended up in the positive after 4 million spins cannot be substantiated.
So, in terms of bet selection, how would we procceed?
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 26, 08:38 PM 2014
So, in terms of bet selection, how would we procceed?
Next test will be to get the simulator to tell us how best to "corner" the open DSs based on different situations.
*warrior says dozens and repeats
*Orochi says any DSs next to each other and repeats
*Somebody said only DSs outside the dozens.
*And do we follow repeats or those that haven't repeated?
*How many DSs 1-3 to bet per situation?
This is a very exciting time in the history of gambling! We shall have our answers soon... :thumbsup:
I'm confident this system cannot lose and remain within half the table limits for infinite profit. Orochi is already preparing for Vegas! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Still on Nov 26, 03:32 PM 2014
Mystery Bet
1-6: 3 2
7-12: 9
13-18: 16
19-24: 21 24
25-30: 30 31 28 26 31
31-36:
On the other hand, if Warrior started re-tracking after the first win, then the third bet would have been on something like the above, where three of the lines are already closed. In that case, his third bet would have been similar to his first two.
Re-tracking/"jumping back" is something we can research in the future for online play only.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 05:10 AM 2014
I'm confident this system cannot lose and remain within half the table limits for infinite profit. Orochi is already preparing for Vegas! :thumbsup:
;D :thumbsup:
falkor...i will send you a pm later with a bet analysis from warriors +- wins.
and the end, it is clear how to bet...only the beginning of the bet is something to figure out.
maybe we can solve it together.
Sounds good, RFMAXX - look forward to it! :)
TEST 1A - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat
Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0
1-6: N
7-12: N
13-18:
19-24:
25-30: N
31-36: N
I predict those 4 DSs have the same equal chance of closing quickest. We can only bet max 3, so the best option is to not bet at all, though you could randomly choose 3 of the 4 DSs depending on bankroll.
What will the simulator tell us? :question:
Quote from: RFMAXX on Nov 27, 05:45 AM 2014
falkor...i will send you a pm later with a bet analysis from warriors +- wins.
and the end, it is clear how to bet...only the beginning of the bet is something to figure out.
maybe we can solve it together.
It is? I can imagine a couple of ways of mixing betting repeating DS's or missing DS's. I think it's not clear, or did I miss a piece along the way?
And the beginning... I though that the clear part was the begining - to aim for the DS's imediatly as they come up, up to at least 3... I'm still not sure as to stop at 3,4,5 or only stop at 6...
PM sent...interested of your thoughts
Quote from: vladir on Nov 27, 07:01 AM 2014
It is? I can imagine a couple of ways of mixing betting repeating DS's or missing DS's. I think it's not clear, or did I miss a piece along the way?
And the beginning... I though that the clear part was the begining - to aim for the DS's imediatly as they come up, up to at least 3... I'm still not sure as to stop at 3,4,5 or only stop at 6...
There's a beginning, middle and an end (possibly 4 phases in total):
1) 1-3 Open DSs (clear)
2) 4-6 Open DSs (sometimes we don't even reached this chaotic stage)
3) DS 3 closes leaving 3 open (clear)
4) Switch to numbers? (uncertain at the current time)
TEST 1B - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat
Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0
1-6: N
7-12: N
13-18: N
19-24:
25-30: N
31-36:
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 07:29 AM 2014
There's a beginning, middle and an end (possibly 4 phases in total):
1) 1-3 Open DSs (clear)
2) 4-6 Open DSs (sometimes we don't even reached this chaotic stage)
3) DS 3 closes leaving 3 open (clear)
4) Switch to numbers? (uncertain at the current time)
Yes, 1) for me is the most clear one.
But what then? What you do on the 2) ? No bet and wait for 3) ?
And do we start a progression on the 3) to recover the losses in 1) ?
Quote from: vladir on Nov 27, 07:38 AM 2014
But what then? What you do on the 2) ? No bet and wait for 3) ?
That is a variation I suggested. And others have suggested theirs in the previous pages of this topic. The tests I am currently running (in blue) will give us definitive answers.
Quote
And do we start a progression on the 3) to recover the losses in 1) ?
I can't say yet until all the tests have finished, bet selection determined for all situations during the chaotic stage, and then finally with that strategy put to the test to find out the maximum losing streak. Once we know the maximum losing streak for the definitive strategy then we can figure out the progression.
But yeah - we will be starting a progression on 3 - but am not yet in a position to crunch any numbers.
for everybody:
Spin Number DS Profit
1 5 1
2 6 1
3 30 5
4 10 2 5 cant figure out how to start and where
5 5 1 4 warrior makes the first +4…then he plays
6 27 5 3 only one ds because it goes -1 to 4 and -1 to 3
7 19 4 then he bets two ds because it goes from
8 34 6 3 to 1
9 25 5 from 1 he plays three ds i guess…see the following
10 21 4
11 15 3 1 betting ds 2,3,6 ?
12 2 1 -2 betting ds 2,3,6 ?
13 8 2 1 win, +6 -3 = 3, close ds 2 betting ds 3,6
14 30 5 -1 lost, -2 betting ds 3,6 3 units each?
15 4 1 -7 lost, -6 betting ds 3,6 8 units each?
16 21 4 -23 lost, -16 betting ds 3,6 9 units each?
17 3 4 -41 lost, -18 betting ds 3,6 14 units each?
18 35 6 15 win, + 56, close 6 play last ds 3 1 unit
19 13 3 20 win, +5
These are the numbers from orochis excel file, post 66 + 68
warrior said that the winning is on the 19th spin
with the following profit
how can we put that into a formula?
greetings, max
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 07:31 AM 2014
TEST 1B - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat
Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0
1-6: N
7-12: N
13-18: N
19-24:
25-30: N
31-36:
Final results are not yet in - but this is looking like a victory for warrior! :yawn: :xd:
VICTORY :xd:
Could someone please make a tracker for this?
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 07:31 AM 2014
TEST 1B - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat
Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0
1-6: N
7-12: N
13-18: N
19-24:
25-30: N
31-36:
1-6: 25.7801899592944%
7-12: 26.729986431479%
13-18: 23.202170963365%
19-24: 0%
25-30: 24.2876526458616%
31-36: 0%
These results could change drastically given a repeat (before/after)... so we will revisit that in a future series of tests.
Halfway through the test it was looking like this before the law of large numbers kicked in:
Sets: 36328
1-6: 25.8426966292135%
7-12: 28.6516853932584%
13-18: 20.5056179775281%
19-24: 0%
25-30: 25%
31-36: 0%
I might have to redo these tests actually because I've made one mistake: I've put too much criteria on the results to be Open = 3, but should remove that condition altogether because the first DS can close with 3,4,5 or 6 open.
I'm changing the test criteria to include hits from Closes or Repeats, and I'm going to try to run multiple tests at once so we can get the results quicker.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 27, 08:40 AM 2014
Could someone please make a tracker for this?
I'm with Proof on this :thumbsup:
Quote from: SamNL on Nov 27, 10:41 AM 2014
I'm with Proof on this :thumbsup:
orochi announced a tracker...how is it going?
Agreed, I'm with Proof as well on this.
What would you guys expect from a tracker?
Got all these lined up in one go for repeat or close - we just need to know which open DS is most likely to hit or whether an unopened one will open and then hit before any of the open:
#TEST 1A
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1B
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1C
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1D
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1E
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1F
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1G
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1H
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1I
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1J
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1K
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36:
#TEST 1L
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1M
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
WOW, falkor & Worrier
after years absence from here & VLS, i came here this morning to this forum and i stumbled this HOT tread...
I read it for 2-3 hours and tried to find out what is all about, after 3 hours i came up one method which i have just finished testing it for 378 spins
Total Spin - 378
Total Bet Placed - 148 Times
Highest Unit Placed - 9 Units
Lowest Lost - 22 Units
Won - 122 Units
Profit - 122 Units.
i have played roulette for 6 years and i know 99% of the method and tried most of them.... this is different but what i know from this test is only random beats random.... no pattern, bla bla...
Let me test it for 3000 spin now and i will get back to you.
I AM SURE YOU CAN COME UP MANY BETTING METHODS FROM THIS WORRIER'S & OFCORSE FALKER'S TIPS!
I think I get it falkor, you are going to run the tests to determine the stats behind each scenario and then we can create a bet around each one..
Exciting times here, on the cusp.
buju maybe you can be so kind to post how you played, your version.
i dont undertsand what anyone is saying here and falkor is being confusing. i blame myself for not understanding but can you be so kind
RouletteGhost - forget about how me, worrier or falker betting this system... dont try to find out how worrier bet, or his progression... TRY TO UNDERSTAND and concentrate on the situation when OPENING & CLOSING DS occurs...
that is what i did... you will come up something...
i am on my second test, i am on 143 spins and i am happy with it so far...
It's too complex to learn in 3 hours or learn and properly test in 1 day. You would have to know exactly when to change between flat-betting and several types of progressions. You have to learn each DS vs. each spin number. You can't program the system to do that in 1 day. This will take me a few more weeks to finish. However, you can tell from the longest losing streaks that this system can't lose + we have the power to predict the length of a losing streak quite accurately. buju, I appreciate you would like the casinos to stay in business, but their time has come!
falker, i don't know but in my method everything is going very well, another 311 spin test i just did and got 101 units profit.
i know for sure mathematics cannot beat randoms... no matter what! i learn that in hardway. ALSO got that from my maths professor 5 years ago. It is LAW!
in this worrier tips... you can see the random in 2-14 spins... so i realized that you can beat it by placing the chip against that stupid random out come... i dont know how to explain it... you can beat it in (2-12 spins)...
let me do another test...
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 12:17 PM 2014
buju, I appreciate you would like the casinos to stay in business, but their time has come!
I'm with Falkor,
Let's put the casinos out of business 8)
Falkor, I have to say,
You are doing an amazing job with these tests.
Also a very very very big thank you to Warrior for his idea.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 11:04 AM 2014
What would you guys expect from a tracker?
Got all these lined up in one go for repeat or close - we just need to know which open DS is most likely to hit or whether an unopened one will open and then hit before any of the open:
#TEST 1A
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1B
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1C
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1D
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1E
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1F
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1G
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1H
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1I
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1J
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1K
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36:
#TEST 1L
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1M
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
I left the computer running, but it seems to have only got a 3rd of the way through... here's what it's saying after 22K sets: (think we need more data so I will run on my MacBook pro)TEST A
1-6: 18.005540166205%
7-12: 19.2520775623269%
13-18: 14.404432132964%
19-24: 14.6814404432133%
25-30: 15.6509695290859%
31-36: 18.005540166205%
TEST B
1-6: 18.3962264150943%
7-12: 20.440251572327%
13-18: 16.3522012578616%
19-24: 13.0503144654088%
25-30: 19.3396226415094%
31-36: 12.4213836477987%
TEST C
1-6: 18.9189189189189%
7-12: 13.6636636636637%
13-18: 19.8198198198198%
19-24: 11.5615615615616%
25-30: 18.9189189189189%
31-36: 17.1171171171171%
TEST D
1-6: 13.2547864506627%
7-12: 18.7039764359352%
13-18: 19.2930780559647%
19-24: 20.3240058910162%
25-30: 15.9057437407953%
31-36: 12.5184094256259%
TEST E
1-6: 17.4556213017752%
7-12: 12.5739644970414%
13-18: 20.5621301775148%
19-24: 19.0828402366864%
25-30: 13.7573964497041%
31-36: 16.5680473372781%
TEST F
1-6: 17.2701949860724%
7-12: 19.4986072423398%
13-18: 12.9526462395543%
19-24: 18.3844011142061%
25-30: 13.2311977715877%
31-36: 18.6629526462396%
TEST G
1-6: 17.4506828528073%
7-12: 18.0576631259484%
13-18: 16.3884673748103%
19-24: 13.9605462822458%
25-30: 15.4779969650986%
31-36: 18.6646433990895%
TEST H
1-6: 18.5078909612626%
7-12: 14.3472022955524%
13-18: 13.4863701578192%
19-24: 18.5078909612626%
25-30: 19.0817790530846%
31-36: 16.0688665710186%
TEST I
1-6: 11.3782051282051%
7-12: 19.0705128205128%
13-18: 13.1410256410256%
19-24: 17.3076923076923%
25-30: 20.1923076923077%
31-36: 18.9102564102564%
TEST J
1-6: 12.9707112970711%
7-12: 13.3891213389121%
13-18: 17.9916317991632%
19-24: 17.9916317991632%
25-30: 18.8284518828452%
31-36: 18.8284518828452%
TEST K
1-6: 19.9722607489598%
7-12: 15.5339805825243%
13-18: 16.6435506241331%
19-24: 16.0887656033287%
25-30: 15.8113730929265%
31-36: 15.9500693481276%
TEST L
1-6: 20.52067381317%
7-12: 13.9356814701378%
13-18: 18.8361408882083%
19-24: 15.9264931087289%
25-30: 18.0704441041348%
31-36: 12.7105666156202%
TEST M
1-6: 13.5725429017161%
7-12: 20.4368174726989%
13-18: 18.2527301092044%
19-24: 16.5366614664587%
25-30: 12.4804992199688%
31-36: 18.7207488299532%
Dont take me wrong, I appreciate you sharing your tests, but isnt it irrelevant wich 4 ds combibation it is? The proba ility is the same for all 4ds on the same conditions...
Now, if you add repeaters to them, thats can be a different scenario worth to test...
Quote from: vladir on Nov 27, 02:30 PM 2014
Dont take me wrong, I appreciate you sharing your tests, but isnt it irrelevant wich 4 ds combibation it is? The proba ility is the same for all 4ds on the same conditions...
Now, if you add repeaters to them, thats can be a different scenario worth to test...
The repeaters are coming up next test series... I hope to start that before bedtime!
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Test 1 results due soon in full for what it's worth. Already started running test 2 on a different computer:
#TEST 2A
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N R
#TEST 2B
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N R
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 2C
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 2D
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 2E
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 2F
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N R
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 2G
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24:
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 2H
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N R
#7-12:
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 2I
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N R
#TEST 2J
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 2K
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N R
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36:
#TEST 2L
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N R
#31-36:
#TEST 2M
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
heres the ticket
Frame it for when you become a millionaire! You'll look back to this day... what kind of progression did you adopt? Did 4 DSs open up? How did you handle it?
Final Test 2 results not yet in - but the repeats are affecting them BIG TIME!! :o :ooh:
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 03:38 PM 2014
Final Test 2 results not yet in - but the repeats are affecting them BIG TIME!! :o :ooh:
My previouscomment was exactly to express that... You can cut much of the work/time if you consider just the situation of 4DS with a repeater and not all particular possible combinations of 4DS's with a repeater...
Quote from: vladir on Nov 27, 04:15 PM 2014
My previouscomment was exactly to express that... You can cut much of the work/time if you consider just the situation of 4DS with a repeater and not all particular possible combinations of 4DS's with a repeater...
I'm not looking to take any shortcuts or speculate in case I get things wrong, so I just do things systematically. You may have been right about that - good for you - but I make no assumptions without testing.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 11:04 AM 2014
What would you guys expect from a tracker?
Got all these lined up in one go for repeat or close - we just need to know which open DS is most likely to hit or whether an unopened one will open and then hit before any of the open:
#TEST 1A
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1B
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1C
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1D
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1E
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1F
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1G
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 1H
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1I
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1J
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 1K
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36:
#TEST 1L
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 1M
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 0
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
TEST A
1-6: 18.8953488372093%
7-12: 19.4186046511628%
13-18: 13.4883720930233%
19-24: 13.8372093023256%
25-30: 16.5697674418605%
31-36: 17.7906976744186%
TEST B
1-6: 18.4763047390522%
7-12: 19.5560887822436%
13-18: 17.876424715057%
19-24: 13.5572885422915%
25-30: 18.1763647270546%
31-36: 12.3575284943011%
TEST C
1-6: 18.2240278583865%
7-12: 13.8711549622751%
13-18: 18.8624492164829%
19-24: 12.420197330238%
25-30: 19.6169471851422%
31-36: 17.0052234474753%
TEST D
1-6: 13.6418269230769%
7-12: 18.9903846153846%
13-18: 18.3293269230769%
19-24: 19.6514423076923%
25-30: 15.9254807692308%
31-36: 13.4615384615385%
TEST E
1-6: 17.8048780487805%
7-12: 13.3536585365854%
13-18: 20.2439024390244%
19-24: 17.9878048780488%
25-30: 13.9024390243902%
31-36: 16.7073170731707%
TEST F
1-6: 17.5489067894131%
7-12: 17.6064441887227%
13-18: 13.1760644418872%
19-24: 18.9298043728423%
25-30: 13.463751438435%
31-36: 19.2750287686997%
TEST G
1-6: 16.4222873900293%
7-12: 18.1818181818182%
13-18: 16.4809384164223%
19-24: 14.2521994134897%
25-30: 15.5425219941349%
31-36: 19.1202346041056%
TEST H
1-6: 17.9095713446858%
7-12: 14.3276570757487%
13-18: 13.6230182031709%
19-24: 19.5537287140341%
25-30: 18.3206106870229%
31-36: 16.2654139753376%
TEST I
1-6: 12.4219725343321%
7-12: 19.6629213483146%
13-18: 13.0461922596754%
19-24: 17.0411985018727%
25-30: 19.8501872659176%
31-36: 17.9775280898876%
TEST J
1-6: 12.5984251968504%
7-12: 12.7801332525742%
13-18: 16.9594185342217%
19-24: 19.0187764990915%
25-30: 19.9878861296184%
31-36: 18.6553603876439%
TEST K
1-6: 20.3703703703704%
7-12: 16.8350168350168%
13-18: 16.8350168350168%
19-24: 16.7789001122334%
25-30: 15.2637485970819%
31-36: 13.9169472502806%
TEST L
1-6: 19.8695136417556%
7-12: 13.938315539739%
13-18: 18.7425860023725%
19-24: 17.3190984578885%
25-30: 17.6749703440095%
31-36: 12.4555160142349%
TEST M
1-6: 13.6363636363636%
7-12: 18.6540731995277%
13-18: 17.4144037780401%
19-24: 19.0672963400236%
25-30: 12.987012987013%
31-36: 18.2408500590319%
Quote from: falkor on Nov 27, 03:27 PM 2014
Test 1 results due soon in full for what it's worth. Already started running test 2 on a different computer:
#TEST 2A
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N R
#TEST 2B
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N R
#13-18: N
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 2C
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 2D
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 2E
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 2F
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N R
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 2G
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24:
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 2H
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N R
#7-12:
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 2I
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N R
#TEST 2J
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N
#TEST 2K
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N R
#7-12: N
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36:
#TEST 2L
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30: N R
#31-36:
#TEST 2M
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 1
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N
Sets: 72705
TEST A
1-6: 16.5413533834586%
7-12: 23.3082706766917%
13-18: 13.5338345864662%
19-24: 11.2781954887218%
25-30: 12.0300751879699%
31-36: 23.3082706766917%
TEST B
1-6: 22.7941176470588%
7-12: 26.4705882352941%
13-18: 13.9705882352941%
19-24: 12.5%
25-30: 13.9705882352941%
31-36: 10.2941176470588%
TEST C
1-6: 13.2450331125828%
7-12: 14.5695364238411%
13-18: 27.8145695364238%
19-24: 13.9072847682119%
25-30: 13.9072847682119%
31-36: 16.5562913907285%
TEST D
1-6: 14.8936170212766%
7-12: 14.1843971631206%
13-18: 23.4042553191489%
19-24: 19.8581560283688%
25-30: 15.6028368794326%
31-36: 12.0567375886525%
TEST E
1-6: 18.6567164179104%
7-12: 12.6865671641791%
13-18: 25.3731343283582%
19-24: 13.4328358208955%
25-30: 13.4328358208955%
31-36: 16.4179104477612%
TEST F
1-6: 14.1791044776119%
7-12: 16.4179104477612%
13-18: 11.9402985074627%
19-24: 28.3582089552239%
25-30: 11.9402985074627%
31-36: 17.1641791044776%
TEST G
1-6: 12.7388535031847%
7-12: 19.7452229299363%
13-18: 26.7515923566879%
19-24: 11.4649681528662%
25-30: 12.7388535031847%
31-36: 16.5605095541401%
TEST H
1-6: 28.7037037037037%
7-12: 12.037037037037%
13-18: 12.037037037037%
19-24: 13.8888888888889%
25-30: 18.5185185185185%
31-36: 14.8148148148148%
TEST I
1-6: 10.4761904761905%
7-12: 15.2380952380952%
13-18: 12.3809523809524%
19-24: 17.1428571428571%
25-30: 15.2380952380952%
31-36: 29.5238095238095%
TEST J
1-6: 8%
7-12: 7%
13-18: 24%
19-24: 25%
25-30: 19%
31-36: 17%
TEST K
1-6: 20.625%
7-12: 20%
13-18: 17.5%
19-24: 16.25%
25-30: 12.5%
31-36: 13.125%
TEST L
1-6: 21.1920529801325%
7-12: 13.9072847682119%
13-18: 13.2450331125828%
19-24: 12.5827814569536%
25-30: 23.841059602649%
31-36: 15.2317880794702%
TEST M
1-6: 13.4228187919463%
7-12: 20.8053691275168%
13-18: 24.8322147651007%
19-24: 14.7651006711409%
25-30: 12.751677852349%
31-36: 13.4228187919463%
Next test being run overnight (I hope there's enough data from 1698 sets to get some idea):
#TEST 3A
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N R
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N R
#TEST 3B
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N
#7-12: N R
#13-18: N R
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36:
#TEST 3C
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24:
#25-30: N
#31-36: N R
#TEST 3D
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30: N R
#TEST 3E
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N R
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 3F
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N R
#7-12: N
#13-18:
#19-24: N R
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 3G
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N
#7-12: N R
#13-18: N R
#19-24:
#25-30:
#31-36: N
#TEST 3H
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N R
#7-12:
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N R
#31-36: N
#TEST 3I
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6:
#7-12: N R
#13-18:
#19-24: N
#25-30: N
#31-36: N R
#TEST 3J
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6:
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30: N R
#31-36: N
#TEST 3K
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N R
#7-12: N R
#13-18: N
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36:
#TEST 3L
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6: N
#7-12:
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30: N R
#31-36:
#TEST 3M
#Open = 4
#Closed = 0
#Repeats = 2
#1-6:
#7-12: N
#13-18: N R
#19-24: N
#25-30:
#31-36: N R
Maybe its me, but i still dont know how when and howmuch to bet with this info. Im just back from a casino trip and did try a few different ways on ds and still lost.
I guess most of the people have the same feeling. And i am not sure that the this thread is intended to give any real info on the ways to bet. It looks more like this thread is intended to keep people very interested.
link:://:.vgmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/son-this-is-bait.png (link:://:.vgmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/son-this-is-bait.png)
rewster
have you looked at the distribution of double streets on the wheel, just look where d/s 5 and d/s 2 live on the wheel,look at it from sectors of 9, perhaps that's why you lost.
As Iggiv says keep people interested, or help to show how to observe,wait for the right time to bet. If betting 3 d/s's,aiming to win 3 units why not cover the green, i did today, paid big dividends, just look a few posts back
I have to agree on this point. The thread was opened about 3 weeks ago and 24 pages later I doubt
if many members have a clear understanding of the bet selection. If I'm mistaken may be someone can
explain clearly the bet selection process.....
This thread was open in Testing Zone. "Calling on all roulette testers". Those who call on roulette testers in a Testing Zone, usually give clear instructions how when and what to test. If this thread continues like this just to keep people interested without saying much, it will go first to the Humour section, second it is gonna be locked, third it is gonna be deleted and then I will open a new thread with the subject "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts". And will ask anyone not to trust those who open threads with no intention to give a true info. And not to communicate with them privately in order to pay them for the desired info. Thank you for your understanding.
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes#Origin (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes#Origin)
I have been for a few good years in those forums and remember some stories back a few years ago and have a gut feeling (and something more to believe) that this is where this story goes. So i would like to make this kind of performance shorter. And i am not alone on this.
Amen iggiv
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 27, 07:31 PM 2014
This thread was open in Testing Zone. "Calling on all roulette testers". Those who call on roulette testers in a Testing Zone, usually give clear instructions how when and what to test. If this thread continues like this just to keep people interested without saying much, it will go first to the Humour section, second it is gonna be locked, third it is gonna be deleted and then I will open a new thread with the subject "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts". And will ask anyone not to trust those who open threads with no intention to give a true info. And not to communicate with them privately in order to pay them for the desired info. Thank you for your understanding.
I have been for a few good years in those forums and remember some stories back a few years ago and have a gut feeling (and something more to believe) that this is where this story goes. So i would like to make this kind of performance shorter. And i am not alone on this.
You can close if you want I don't see you contributing to anything and there is no arguing going on here so whats the problem ? Already the method was given now if people can't figure out it's not my problem .
Here's a a story for you iggi
There was once a boy he loved to play baseball but the coach would never play him he wasn't very good,so one day his dad set something up for his birthday ,he got to pitch for the first time and it was in the finales and he strikes out everyone ,the smile on his face was increasing with joy as he looked at his father with excitement , his team mates would parade him around . And then then the worst thing in life just happen the little boy finds out that his dad set every thing up with the both coaches for them to throw the game so he can see his little boy happy he would fall in the greatest sadness of his life . The moral of the story is we appreciate when we achieve things on are own and not given to us .
Now you do what you want if it's power your looking for you can have because I know I'm in the 99% and just by reading you comments your in the 1 % figure that one .
I will logout now for this place has become stale I will no be be back ,have fun with your losing systems.good bye.
Quote from: warrior on Nov 09, 10:53 AM 2014
Here is something for you in a 37 spin cycle,how many times will a line containing 6 numbers show 2 new numbers and only 2. I'm working on something that takes advantage of runs and changes of numbers that I think every one will be interested in.This idea will try and avoid sleepers towards the end of the cycle,but can also produce a profit if money management is done Accurate .This idea with a little help from the pros ,the ones that have been at for a while no offence to the new bees ha ha,but I'm interested in people that are not going to jump from system to system although we have all done it me included.There has to be a weakness in this game ,and we all know that in 37 spins all numbers will not show. We all have tried to capitalize on this but always come short .
What I would like to see is every line in there order 123456 and underneath each line the result of 2 different numbers in the order they come up. This will be done for 37 spins of the wheel ,and also with this we need to know when a line shows a new number but fails to produce a second new number,this usually will happen when all the lines produce the 2 new ones and only one line left will show a new number and fail to produce the second number therefore sleeper five meaning the 5 numbers left did not show or the line slept for the entire 37 spins.
We know that in 37 spins there will be numbers that show and numbers that repeat and number will not come up. I won't get into the break down you can find this on every forum.
If interested please let me know and will try to win more session then not. Questions always welcome.
Warrior
Attention iggiv here is the method but from guess you gave up playing along time ago and feel you have some kind of authority ,but the last time I checked you haven't contributed to any new material in years you comment on everyone's thread and you are very opinionated on how to tell people that every thing loses .
I play differently. But that does not matter. What matters is that i have some info which makes me think what i think.
If you come to ask to test your method then tell what to test exactly. For many pages goes something with hints. and promises. But i would not even say something if i did not know something else. About what happened a few years ago.
i also gave some hints on how i think is better to play, but i did not open threads to pull guys legs to confuse them and even drive some people crazy and even worse...
It is not about showing authority or ego or whatever. I don't want people to be lured by false promises into paying their money as it already happened. And as i already said, i have some info on what happened some time ago and who was playing who. y
And by the way it was not me, but rather another mod who first payed attention at what kind of weird thing is happening with this thread...
And i did not say that everything always loses. There are smart ways to play roulette and win.
And by the way you already said some time ago that i want power. You even called me "danger" when i became a mod. I don't care. I don't want any power and i don't have it. All i want is to keep this forum clean from crooks and be with honest people which are not trying to drive anyone crazy and deceive anyone with tricky "hints" and promises then sucking out their money. We already had been there.
This week i didn't have time to work on the tracker, still unfinished.On weekend i promise i will release the tracker.
Warrior only try to open people eyes, this is a new concept of playing, so we are testing it! He didn't promise anything. He share an idea, and i appreciate that.
Thanks warrior :thumbsup:
And iggiv what is your problem ?! What the hell warrior did wrong?
And guys chill out! :thumbsup:
Sharing an idea is one thing, confusing with promises is another. And there are some other things i don't wanna go into. They are in the past.
All i am asking is this: if you post in testing area, if you call people to test, tell them what and how to test. I can come up with some stuff which will not have much sense but will sound like i share. "I will give you an idea how to avoid sleepers in cycle of 37 numbers and instead of sleepers bet on numbers which will come up. We will take dozens. And watch when numbers in dozens will change. Let's take 1,2, 3....12. Instead of numbers which came up before will come another numbers. 4 and 4 only. The way we will track new numbers which come in this dozen we will know which numbers came instead of old ones to avoid sleepers."
People will ask me: ok, can you specify?
And i will answer: "there are different ways to play this but all of them will win. If you work on it it will be very rewarding."
Nothing concrete. Just on the surface looks like I know something. Cool, huh?
Just 3 days before this guy was discussing other stuff and then out of sudden he calls all roulette testers to tell them something magical that hard to get. But avoiding anything more or less concrete...
The thing is that very similar things happen in the past already. And this blaming for desire of power. It is not new either.
And such things ended up as a big scam, buddy. I don't want such things to repeat again. That's it.
If you have something concrete to test, fine. If you want some ideas to share, fine. But don't try to pretend that you have some mysterious "knowledge" of consistent winning in your pocket to drive people crazy and trust you with their money for your "knowledge". Just 3 days befor it he did not have it and was discussing other stuff, and then out of sudden came out promising golden mounts.
That's is not a new thing, i repeat myself again. Bad things already happened and they started very similarly. With empty "smart" promising words and nothing concrete. And some people did fall for it...
Ahah. I think its a problem of language here . Specifically the threads title. Warrior is just sharing is ideas here and nothings wrong with that. The issue I see is the threads title.If one calls for rx testing, it implies coding. And coding implies very clear and specified requirements... wich we dont have. Thats the only problem I see here....
QuoteMaybe its me, but i still dont know how when and howmuch to bet with this info. Im just back from a casino trip and did try a few different ways on ds and still lost.
QuoteI guess most of the people have the same feeling. And i am not sure that the this thread is intended to give any real info on the ways to bet. It looks more like this thread is intended to keep people very interested.
The tests are to find out the answer to this, and I've already stated we are not yet in a position to have exact instructions until the tests have been complete:
"I can't say yet until all the tests have finished, bet selection determined for all situations during the chaotic stage, and then finally with that strategy put to the test to find out the maximum losing streak. Once we know the maximum losing streak for the definitive strategy then we can figure out the progression.
But yeah - we will be starting a progression on 3 - but am not yet in a position to crunch any numbers."
The system involves different aspects:
1) Concept/idea = done
2) Bet Selection = 75% complete
3) Money Management = 25% complete
I have tested (1) and posted a spreadsheet showing the potential. We should all know bet selection well now, but I continue to run tests to find out the best selection for different situations. Money management we know involves flat-betting then different progression depending on the spin number and balance. Just because everything is not set in stone right now.... I mean, I can understand if we were just teasing people without doing any testing to progress it, but I am giving up half my sleeping time for this. And you guys need to make some effort too! Again, the spreadsheet should be enough to show the potential. However, if you don't want people knowing how to never lose at roulette then I can understand why this topic should be locked and possibly deleted.
MOD:I approved this just for the comedy value
Hi warrior my dear friend
i had been reading your method for the past few days with great interest :twisted:
i been thinking and testing around with your theories :question: :question:
i am not active in forums, but i am always reading interesting post such as yours. :love:
This is my first post and i registered a account just to THANK you :lol: :lol:
i would like to THANK you for your ideas and sharing before this thread is deleted :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
you are a good generous man. i wish you good health and big winnings. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I would be interested to know how the majority feel about this, so I just posted a new poll: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15046.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15046.0)
Quote from: Orochi on Nov 28, 12:23 AM 2014
This week i didn't have time to work on the tracker, still unfinished.On weekend i promise i will release the tracker.
Looking forward to the tracker Orochi :thumbsup:
These tests are just not happening today, but I think it's clear that we should not bet above 4 open DSs unless there's one or more repeats or it drops back down to 3. In the worst case scenario we may have to avoid DS4 unless there's a repeat, so maybe the system is only completely invincible playing 5 DSs - playing 3 we might lose 1 set in 1000, but we are talking 10 units max.
I will move onto actually simulating bets to see:
1) Longest losing streak before hitting DS1
2) How often does playing max 3 DSs miss DS1 or even DS2
So, to begin with, I will only be simulating this till the first win, but most sets will contain between 3-10 wins.
if people wanna go on with testing i have nothing against it. So far i saw some people saying that they were testing but i did not see WHAT EXACTLY they were testing. I don't mind if they do of course, but please then clarify what do u test how and when. As usual with testing.
And i don't mind if Warrior himself would clarify all this and tell what to test and how. But you can clearly see that it was not his intention from the beginning. His intention was to draw attention to himself to tell everybody that he "has something". Except of this everything has been very unclear.
That's how quite a few people were scammed a few years ago. First to draw their attention for long time to assure them that "there is something there", drive many crazy and drive attention for having fun with the whole story, then getting some money from those who fell for it. Then disappear and appear under another nick and pretend to be a regular guy looking for roulette solution. Till the next time when all the previous story is forgotten.
I have been watching this guy for long time. But i did not pay attention at this thread first. Another mod did.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 09:46 AM 2014
if people wanna go on with testing i have nothing against it. So far i saw some people saying that they were testing but i did not see WHAT EXACTLY they were testing. I don't mind if they do of course, but please then clarify what do u test how and when. As usual with testing.
And i don't mind if Warrior himself would clarify all this and tell what to test and how. But you can clearly see that it was not his intention from the beginning. His intention was to draw attention to himself to tell everybody that he "has something". Except of this everything has been very unclear.
That's how quite a few people were scammed a few years ago. First to draw their attention for long time to assure them that "there is something there", drive many crazy and drive attention for having fun with the whole story, then getting some money from those who fell for it. Then disappear and appear under another nick and pretend to be a regular guy looking for roulette solution. Till the next time when all the previous story is forgotten.
I have been watching this guy for long time. But i did not pay attention at this thread first. Another mod did.
Hey iggiv why don't you go call your mother a scammer.
Who have I scammed
And why not go to Steve and ask how I returned his equipment if I were a scammer that would have not happen I build my name on trust ,you m o r on
Easy with your language, Charlie. You know well who you scammed. I just don't want to come back to this old story again. There are no idiots around you as you thought before. No morons. And please stop registering new nicks to get yourself "support". As you did already before.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 10:22 AM 2014
Easy with your language, Charlie. You know well who you scammed. I just don't want to come back to this old story again. There are no idiots around you as you thought before. No morons. And please stop registering new nicks to get yourself "support". As you did already before.
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Don't call me Charlie and don't call me a scammer .iggiv boy
Quote from: warrior on Nov 28, 10:30 AM 2014
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 10:22 AM 2014
Easy with your language, Charlie. You know well who you scammed. I just don't want to come back to this old story again. There are no idiots around you as you thought before. No morons. And please stop registering new nicks to get yourself "support". As you did already before.
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Don't call me Charlie and don't call me a scammer .iggiv boy
I remember you from way back on the 3 million sight you never really had anthything solid back then and now because I shared an idea you call me a scammer wow real grow up iggiv.
Great. Cool that you admitted about 3million. :thumbsup:
By the way it's my business what i have and what i don't. It's not your business. But whatever i have or i don't have -- i don't use it against other people.
No need to ban iggiv just delete this account I will leave in peace.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 10:36 AM 2014
Great. Cool that you admitted about 3million. :thumbsup:
By the way it's my business what i have and what i don't. It's not your business. But whatever i have or i don't have -- i don't use it against other people.
why you go and ask Dave on vls how I am.he knows me better then you.
if we talk about the idea to bet on a DS which hit a few times before and has 2 new numbers recently i tested it a couple of times and it won. But i reject this idea as consistently winning. Simply impossible. It's like with group of hot numbers. It may win for a while but then it goes down. Sorry, just my opinion. I am totally against betting according to the table layout. The wheel layout is a different story though.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 28, 08:32 AM 2014
[...]
I will move onto actually simulating bets to see:
1) Longest losing streak before hitting DS1
2) How often does playing max 3 DSs miss DS1 or even DS2
So, to begin with, I will only be simulating this till the first win, but most sets will contain between 3-10 wins.
For clarification, by DS1 and DS2 you're referring to the first and second Double Streets that show up or that you start betting on, right? If that's so, it's starting to make sense. It probably helps if you change the nomenclature to DSA and DSB so they don't get confused with the groups of numbers 1-6 and 7-12.
Your research is valuable, then. There's some file around with stats for one million spins or so that include the longest gaps and repetitions in all chances. It could save you a lot of work.
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 28, 01:47 PM 2014
For clarification, by DS1 and DS2 you're referring to the first and second Double Streets that show up or that you start betting on, right? If that's so, it's starting to make sense. It probably helps if you change the nomenclature to DSA and DSB so they don't get confused with the groups of numbers 1-6 and 7-12.
Your research is valuable, then. There's some file around with stats for one million spins or so that include the longest gaps and repetitions in all chances. It could save you a lot of work.
Yeah, there could be confusion if people haven't been following the whole topic. There's up to 6 different DSs that we can select to bet (3-5 simultaneously; your choice based on bankroll) after they appear once (= opened) until 1-5 of them have hit again with a repeated number (= repeat) or new number (= closed). Those stats will not be geared towards this because we aren't betting all the DSs to begin with and we class repeating numbers and new numbers differently, but my spreadsheet already takes care of that.
Back to coding... I might be ready for the first run tonight, if not, tomorrow.
thnx for your explanation bud
OK, as we say over here in USA, "It's time to put up or shut up".
Warrior is a Brick and Mortar Roulette player. I am an On Line Bot player. I have tested many of Warriors past systems as well as 100's of others.
In my opinion, this is one of the better attacks on random. I like it because it is finite, it is cyclical, it starts with a repeat and ends with one. You start betting for a repeat of every line (DS) spun and stop betting when the 4th DS gets it's second repeat.
Here's the bet selection that I tested:
1. Bet every DS spun.
2. When a DS gets 2 hits, stop betting it.
3. When you get 3 DS that have 2 or more hits, start betting the 3 remaining DS until one of them gets a 2nd hit. End of Session.
The What to bet is actually not as important as how much to bet. The progression and money management is the big key.
I have excel trackers for every numberset possible, ie, for even chances, dozens, columns, lines, streets etc. I took one of my Line(DS) Trackers, "Between the Lines", and modified it with the above bet selection.
I tested it for 200,000 spins betting every spin except when you have 6 unique Lines appear, then I virtual bet for one spin. I test in 5,000 spin sessions as that is how I would use a bot, 5,000 spins is about one nights work.
The results are attached.
Although this won every session, the progression needs to be improved to reduce the amount of drawdown.
I have also attached my "Between the Lines" tracker so any and all can test with this bet selection. The tracker only has a flat bet amount. It does not win with flat betting.
It is up to each of you to determine your own best progression.
I for one, thank you Warrior for your insights.
Cheers
Nick
busy here now
Badgers reply 133 the warrior test i make it £34.00 profit, with 8 units on 37th spin return 48 units.
Put up or shutup baby
Nickmsi
WOW to be able to code that sheet
=IF($a27<>" " , and theres more.
Is there a book for dummies to start learning
Quote from: Nickmsi on Nov 28, 02:37 PM 2014
OK, as we say over here in USA, "It's time to put up or shut up".
Warrior is a Brick and Mortar Roulette player. I am an On Line Bot player. I have tested many of Warriors past systems as well as 100's of others.
In my opinion, this is one of the better attacks on random. I like it because it is finite, it is cyclical, it starts with a repeat and ends with one. You start betting for a repeat of every line (DS) spun and stop betting when the 4th DS gets it's second repeat.
Here's the bet selection that I tested:
1. Bet every DS spun.
2. When a DS gets 2 hits, stop betting it.
3. When you get 3 DS that have 2 or more hits, start betting the 3 remaining DS until one of them gets a 2nd hit. End of Session.
The What to bet is actually not as important as how much to bet. The progression and money management is the big key.
I have excel trackers for every numberset possible, ie, for even chances, dozens, columns, lines, streets etc. I took one of my Line(DS) Trackers, "Between the Lines", and modified it with the above bet selection.
I tested it for 200,000 spins betting every spin except when you have 6 unique Lines appear, then I virtual bet for one spin. I test in 5,000 spin sessions as that is how I would use a bot, 5,000 spins is about one nights work.
The results are attached.
Although this won every session, the progression needs to be improved to reduce the amount of drawdown.
I have also attached my "Between the Lines" tracker so any and all can test with this bet selection. The tracker only has a flat bet amount. It does not win with flat betting.
It is up to each of you to determine your own best progression.
I for one, thank you Warrior for your insights.
Cheers
Nick
Finally.... some real effort, appreciation, and understanding for warrior and his system by somebody who is more than qualified! I vote to get Warrior's prison sentence reduced.... and yes, it's all about MM, hence I do not yet have the progressions ready. This is not something that can be rushed. People should be a bit more tolerant. This is a No BS system and Nick is a No BS player! Great work on those spreadsheets BTW. :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 28, 02:53 PM 2014
Nickmsi
WOW to be able to code that sheet
=IF($a27<>" " , and theres more.
Is there a book for dummies to start learning
It's bloody amazing... I've saved it in case this forum gets shut down by the CIA.
falkor and nottophammer . . .
Over at Vic's new forum at the following address, I will have a section on coding in Excel and coding the Excel sheet for a bot. All is free.
link:://betsoftware.cc/index.php (link:://betsoftware.cc/index.php)
Sweet deal, Nick! 8)
Let's have some big-ups for Nick and the Warrior....! :thumbsup: Again, this is an important time in the history of gambling.
We all need to stick together and not have these petty arguments! We are all in it to win it!!
I can't help but be interested in a system that Nick gives a tip-of-the-hat to especially when he also gives a clear and succinct explanation of how to play it. That's all I needed. I'm off to the races.
Thanks Warrior, Falkor, Nickmsi and others.
Thanks also to Iggiv and Turner for standing guard for the troops. I don't know if what you're saying is true but I appreciate that your intentions are good. I know that Iggiv has had to slap my hands a couple of times in the distant past, but he never drew blood so I could never say, "He drew first blood, Sir. He drew first blood."
Good luck to all and to all a good night.
GLC
thnx GLC.
I don't remember slapping your hand though. Does not matter. Sorry if something i did wrong.
as to Falkor's posting about a great day in the gambling history i am getting scared that those guys now may shut down casinos for good. Like with Terminator movie where people created machines which destroyed their creators, now this great day in a history of gambling may shut down this history. If people start winning on double street like this. This street is gonna turn into no exit street. And no entrance as well.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 28, 03:12 PM 2014
Sweet deal, Nick! 8)
Let's have some big-ups for Nick and the Warrior....! :thumbsup: Again, this is an important time in the history of gambling.
We all need to stick together and not have these petty arguments! We are all in it to win it!!
I totally agree with you Falkor :thumbsup:
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 03:26 PM 2014
thnx GLC.
I don't remember slapping your hand though. Does not matter. Sorry if something i did wrong.
as to Falkor's posting about a great day in the gambling history i am getting scared that those guys now may shut down casinos for good. Like with Terminator movie where people created machines which destroyed their creators, now this great day in a history of gambling may shut down this history. If people start winning on double street like this. This street is gonna turn into no exit street. And no entrance as well.
A real statement from the heart! Respect!! I hear you... now might be the real time to delete this topic! Since, we have come to the realisation of the reality of this situation, I really don't know what to do or whether I'll even get an opportunity to play this in the casino, times are so uncertain right now. Anything that happens from now on, though, is up to mods like iggiv... there's no right or wrong whatever decisions are made from this point onwards... most important thing is honesty.
LOL.
i was kidding Falkor.
take it easy. Good luck bud. Hopefully this all will work out.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 03:37 PM 2014
LOL.
i was kidding Falkor.
take it easy. Good luck bud. Hopefully this all will work out.
:wink:
Guys,
Here we go...
I’ve been trying to figure out this system since almost the start, speaking with several of the members about how it might work, and Nick’s post is similar to my thinking about how this system may work, please note this is just observations, maybe Falkor can look at it more detail based on my thoughts below....
As Nick mentioned progression and MM is key, which I agree with; I believe you set yourself a target for each session, nothing new there, and depending on the initial few spins, this determines how you are going to attempt to win this, you don’t bet until 2 DSs have showed, and, I think you do not bet anymore than 3 DS’s at one time, possibly even no more than 2.
For example, you attempt to win your target on the first bet after the 2 DSs have shown, you lose, you now need the lost units + your target, to reach your goal, say it turns out we end up having 5 DSs show in those first 5 spins, we have to consider, if 5 DSs have shown in the first 5 spins, then 5 are going to fill within the 37 spins, (likewise if 4 show in 4 spins, 4 complete, 6 show etc.) so we break our target down in a way that would allow us to win our goal, betting not more than when 3 DS’s are available to bet, or possibly 2, until we reach out target. This means we have to be very dynamic in the progression and how we play it, for example we get some the target when filling 2 to 3, then the remainder from 3 to 4, or, possibly having the target spilt further trying to get 4 to 5 DS to fill, our game plan changes depending on the current situation, hence the dynamic nature of it.
The above is not exact, just my general thoughts, and I hope it makes sense, I’m thinking out loud as I type, and as it’s Friday, I’ve had a few beers, meaning I might be talking absolute rubbish, please feel free to let me know :)
Hopefully my opinion might generate some further chat, I don’t have anything more to offer on this, these are my final thoughts, I’ve racked my brain regarding this, maybe I’m one of the guys who can’t think outside the box....
Jim
You're on the right-track... ideally, we will need to start a new progression each time a DS closes - possibly after a repeat too - based on balance and spin # that the DS closed on. You start with a potential losing streak of 12 or 8, and each time you get a medium-long losing streak you will "buy" quicker win streaks on subsequent DSs. So by the time you get to trying to close DS 4 or 5 you will know exactly when it's due... hopefully in, say, 3 spins, so you can start the final progression with a higher value.
Falkor if a method needs progression....be careful with it. It may win for long time before it totally crashes and you lose everything that you gained and more. Just a friendly reminder.
Well, I can't see a losing set in 70K+ that I tested (or one that would even come close to the table limits), and the reason this could be the grail is that it's based on 3-10 stages of dynamic "staggered" progressions within 1 set - each progression based on how the previous progressions performed.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 26, 04:07 PM 2014
OMG, I AM SO PROUD OF THIS SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :love:
Now we can get down to figuring out some rules - YEAH!!! O0
Bump!
Quote from: falkor on Nov 26, 07:52 PM 2014
Basic Rules (not including MM)
Any volunteers to explain the basics for RouletteGhost and co?
Starting session/bankroll, the beginning of the cycle and closing the first DS.
*The beginning of the cycle is crucial to understanding how the rest of the set will play out.
*You can incur a gap of 0-12 losses before the first DS closes at spin 2-13.
*Quick closes will occur more frequently than long closures (average is 3 spins for DS 1), but you still need a big bankroll to allow for a potential progression (beginning with a few flat-bets) of up to 12 losses.
*Repeats can help cut down the max opening progression from about 12 down to 8, and early ones can also play a part in reducing later losses (see below).
*Playing 5 simultaneous DSs requires a bankroll of at least 1,000, but is only likely to miss during 1 situation when 6 DSs are open and you were forced to miss out a bet.
*Missing out certain bets and playing a maximum of 3 DSs - cornering the open DSs based on those that have repeated and those open in the same dozen - is recommended to keep the bankroll at less than 500; simply moving to 4+ DSs will double that requirement.
*Sometimes you will miss the first DS and/or accompanying repeats - particularly after 6 DSs have opened without a close (2% of the time), so the first half of the set can be quite chaotic at times. Can the 2nd be missed too playing up to 3 DSs - even with effective cornering? If so a higher bankroll may be needed or stop loss (or missing out more bets, i.e virtual losses).
*The quicker the first DS closes the more proceeding danger there is of a larger gap before any one (only one!) of the next DSs (or collection of evenly distributed medium gaps).
*The longer the first DS takes to close the quicker the 2nd DS will close:
Spin #2-6 = up to 14 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #7 = up to 11 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 = up to 8 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #11 = up to 4 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #12-13 (including minimum of 3 repeats) = up to 3 spins for DS 2 (average 0-1)
*Though DS 3-4 do not concern us at the beginning, they are also heavily affected by the opening DS, so thinking ahead is wise:
Spin #12-13 - the longest gap before DS 1 closes - means DS 2,3 and 4 will close in a maximum of 2,6 and 5 spins respectively. That's quite a revelation considering that DS 3 to DS 4 under normal circumstances can have a losing streak of up to 23, so the reduction is drastic! Further medium gaps in the proceeding DSs means even less spins for DS 3-4 to close.
*High opening gaps in combination with 1 or more repeats can also reduce the spins between hits for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th; in this way DS 2 is affected as follows:
Spin #2-6 + 1 repeat = 14 spins down to 13 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #2-6 + 2 repeats = 14 spins down to 8 max for DS 2 (average 2)
Spin #2-6 + 3 repeats = 14 spins down to 3 max for DS 2 (average 2)
Spin #7 + 1-3 repeats = 11 spins down to 7-11 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #7 + 4 repeats = 11 spins down to 4 max for DS 2 (average 4)
Spin #8-10 + 1-3 repeats = 8 spins down to 6-8 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 + 4 repeats = 8 spins down to max 5 for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 + 5 repeats = 8 spins down to max 2 for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #11 + 1-5 repeats = 4 spins down to max 1-4 for DS 2 (average 0)
Spin #12-13 + 5 repeats = 3 spins down to max 1 for DS 2 (average 0)
*Once 3 DSs have been closed then you are unlikely to miss the 4th DS because you go back to playing the remaining 3 open DSs simultaneously, so "half time" is over, the 2nd half begins, and you can even consider going for the 5th DS depending on what spin number you are at and how many repeats you had in total - perhaps just betting the unhit individual numbers of the remaining two!
Bump!
Thanks Falkor :thumbsup:
I actually read it this time ;D
Here's my first simulation with actual placed bets, but they are flat-bets for now (like Nick's test) until I've found out what the longest losing streak is. The set ends after the first win (for now).
Set 23 is most troublesome one if you can only afford to bet max 3 DSs. I thought about this situation a lot over the past week. The idea is that you lose 3 units, but keep an eye on DS4 in case a repeat comes in, which it did, so the next win would not be far away: bet 3,6,12,24,48,96 (that should be more than enough). The simulator is still too basic to deal with that right now though.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 28, 06:52 PM 2014
Set 23 is most troublesome one if you can only afford to bet max 3 DSs. I thought about this situation a lot over the past week. The idea is that you lose 3 units, but keep an eye on DS4 in case a repeat comes in, which it did, so the next win would not be far away: bet 3,6,12,24,48,96 (that should be more than enough). The simulator is still too basic to deal with that right now though.
What about identifying troublesome situations and simply not bet them when facing them?
Falkor,
70k spins is not enough for conclusion.
Check all German wheels available through RX. You may be get unpleasant surprise. But better in a test, than with real money.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 28, 06:37 PM 2014
Here's my first simulation with actual placed bets, but they are flat-bets for now (like Nick's test) until I've found out what the longest losing streak is. The set ends after the first win (for now).
a loss of 107 Units :lol:
Quotethis is beyond winkels GUT
:girl_to: :twisted:
BTW: Aren´t you ashamed to use tweaks from GUT (jump back etc.) and claiming you found something new?
And the tissuerolls of your proof of what comes next are senseless as bringing timber to a wood.
Even if one DS has a hitrate of 22% there are still 78% against ist. :wink:
Ok i tested something thats seems to work pretty good. Bet every ds as it comes and at a unit like this:
28. Bet ds 5 with 1 unit
2. Bet ds 1 with 2 units and 2 units on ds5
13. 3 units on ds 5, 1, 3.
33. 4 units on 5,1,3,6
36. Hit ds 6. Now you go back to 3 units on 5,1,3
5. Hit . go back to 2 units on 5, 3
You play until no streets are remaining or till 3 ds are closed ( 3 ds have 2 hits each)
Hey Rewster,
Yesterday I played it almost exactly like you did.
The bet selection that I used yesterday was the bet selection that Nick explained. Went pretty well. I was playing around with the foolproof progression. I also reset the progression when I am on a new high.
Haha best raar om engels tegen een Nederlander te praten :xd: maar voor de rest dan:
The only prob is when a closed street keeps hitting. Example:
Ds 1,2,3,4. Are bet with 4 units and 5, 6 hitting 5 times in a row. The zero should be covered all time.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 01:45 PM 2014
if we talk about the idea to bet on a DS which hit a few times before and has 2 new numbers recently i tested it a couple of times and it won. But i reject this idea as consistently winning. Simply impossible. It's like with group of hot numbers. It may win for a while but then it goes down. Sorry, just my opinion. I am totally against betting according to the table layout. The wheel layout is a different story though.
The wheel layout is a different story though. Quite right iggiv. This d/s bet is good for the Mat,but when you look where d/s 5 and 2 sit on the wheel makes you think if missing the 2 sectors there in, now to take advantage
iggiv, the stats never changed between 35-70K
winkel, you've come into this discussion a bit late to understand how -107 units = +1 million!
I only have to add 1 rule to the simulator to make each of you millionaires! If we wanted to, we could simply play this system based only on the first DS closing... though I won't stop there because in certain situations we can demand even more money with the 4th DS!
PIE Group Numbers
Pie 4 1 32,15,19,4,21,2
Pie 6 2 25,17,34,6,27,13
Pie 8 3 36,11,30,8,23,10
Pie 5 4 5,24,16,33,1,20
Pie 9 5 14,31,9,22,18,29
Pie 7 6 7,28,12,35,3,26
Consider Global pies from Kimo Li, now we have 6 Dstreets but Wheel based, this will work much better than the table based, but the problem is
when we have to bet on 18 numbers ( 3 groups) or when bet 24 numbers
( 4 groups) because no time to place the bets and the progression for straight up can go v. high , so there is a possibility to put the straight ups
into splits , streets, corners groups but this is a huge work to make all
possible combination :
Wheel based Ds:
Two groups combinations,
Ds1+ds2, ds1 + ds3, ds1 + ds4, ds1 + ds5, ds1 + ds6
Ds2 + ds3, ds2 + ds4, ds2 + ds5, ds2 + ds6
Ds3 + ds4, ds3 + ds5, ds3 + ds 6
Ds4 + ds 5, ds4 + ds6
Ds5 + ds 6
3 groups combinations :
Ds1 + ds2 + ds3, ds1 + ds2 + ds4, ds1 + ds2 + ds5, ds1 + ds2 + ds 6
Ds1 + ds3 + ds4, ds1 + ds3 + ds5, ds1 + ds3 + ds6
Ds1 + ds4 + ds5, ds1 + ds4 + ds6
Ds1 +ds 5 + ds 6
Ds2 + ds3 + ds4, ds2 + ds3 + ds5, ds2 + ds3 + ds6
And bla…bla…..
Then the 4 groups combinations …uuuhhhh…..then put them all in the better way(splits, streets, corners, straight…) to place less chips…..
Here some example Wheel based Vs Table based double streets( (Other bet selection, not warrior s ), seems wheel based works better , but in long run for sure no big difference. See excel file , on first page Wheel based Ds, on second page Table based Ds. (I am a bit off-topic here , I m out now..…)
As we know with Warriors the first DS must close on spin #2-13, and here are some new stats regarding the first DS that has a repeat before it closes:
Spin # (1st repeat), Max Spin # (1st close), Progression till close
2 9 7
3 10 7
4 10 6
5 10 5
6 11 5
7 12 5
8 11 3
9 12 3
10 13 3
11 12 1
12 13 1
*If you get a repeat then start a new progression
*If you get a repeat on spin 2 then DS 1 must close by spin 9
*If you got a repeat on spin 8+ and was playing up to 5 DSs then the next bet would be your max BR / 3! (11-12 = half your max BR!!)
(link:://s23.postimg.org/g2e69ocvv/warriors.jpg)
The problem with playing only up to 3 simultaneous DSs (WARRIORS LITE) is that we will often miss the first close - even after a repeat - and the spin number cannot help us avoid it:
Spin # (1st repeat), Set, Spin # (1st close), Note
7 4 8 lost close
4 5 5 lost close
4 11 5 lost close
5 13 6 lost close
3 30 6 lost close
2 34 6 lost close
3 43 4 lost close
7 46 8 lost close
8 47 9 lost close
4 50 6 lost close
5 53 6 lost close
3 56 5 lost close
2 57 7 lost close
3 59 5 lost close
5 80 8 lost close
5 81 repeat
6 81 7 lost close
6 84 7 lost close
2 95 7 lost close
2 97 repeat
3 97 9 lost close
2 101 4 lost close
5 111 7 lost close
3 116 5 lost close
5 121 repeat
7 121 8 lost close
7 127 8 lost close
5 132 6 lost close
4 135 5 lost close
5 144 repeat
7 144 9 lost close
3 150 8 lost close
3 166 repeat
5 166 6 lost close
5 169 6 lost close
5 172 6 lost close
4 178 8 lost close
3 184 4 lost close
4 191 6 lost close
Happens on all spin numbers, including 10 and 11.
Another lite method might be to play:
4 Open DSs
3rd of the chips on Dozen with the same 2 DSs
3rd of the chips on DS
3rd of the chips on DS
5 Open DS
3rd of the chips on 1st Dozen with the same 2 DSs
3rd of the chips on 2nd Dozen with the same 2 DSs
3rd of the chips on DS
But even that can't save you from the "sets from hell" I'll be posting next...
The set in sheet 3 was established as the worst set for playing 3 DSs in over 200,000 trials - and no new records were broken from around 15% into those tests!
Before we can devise the first progression we have to come up with way of avoiding these situations where the first 3 DSs are closed without a win and the 4th one takes a long time to close. Either that or we introduce a stop loss "on the way up" or "on the way down" and accept it as a losing set.
I have more alerts to add to the simulator that might help us make a decision. Playing 5 simultaneous DSs (if you can afford it) is much more predictable and less chaotic.
Those sets can still be played, but need a grand BR like playing 5 DS.
Sheet 1
4 DSs opened at spin 4
DS 1 closed @ spin 6 (max 14 spins for DS 2)
Repeat on open DS @ spin 7!
5 DSs opened @ spin 9
Repeat on open DS @ spin 10!
DS 2 closed @ Spin #12 + 2 repeats = 8 spins max for DS 3
DS 3 closed @ Spin #17-18 = 12 spins max for DS 4
Sheet 2
4 DSs opened @ spin 4
5 DSs opened @ spin 5
6 DSs opened @ spin 6
DS 1 closed @ spin 7 (max 11 spins for DS 2)
DS 2 closed @ Spin #8 = 16 spins max for DS 3
Repeat on open DS @ spin 11!
DS 3 closed @ Spin #9-14 + 1 repeats = 22 spins max for DS 4
Sheet 3
4 DSs opened @ spin 4
5 DSs opened @ spin 5
6 DSs opened @ spin 6
DS 1 closed @ spin 7 (max 11 spins for DS 2)
Repeat on open DS @ spin 8!
DS 2 closed @ Spin #9 + 1 repeats = 13 spins max for DS 3
DS 3 closed @ Spin #17-18 = 12 spins max for DS 4
From what I can tell analysing the above: everything is happening too quickly at the beginning of the cycle and during the chaotic stage, so that the long losing streaks have all been transferred to the 4th DS.
Solution 1:
1) Stop after Open = 4 @ spin 4 (as we already would)
2) Watch for a medium-long gap between DS 1 - 4 before each closes
3) Observe there's a big gap before DS 4 closed
4) Bet on DS 5 or un-hit individual numbers of DS 5 and 6! (if the gap was on DS 2 we would bet for DS 3, and so on..)
Solution 2:
1) Stop for good after Open = 4 (or open = 4 and DS 1 closes by spins 6-7) and accept a losing set at -3 units.
Solution 2 means only wining 3/4 sets and losing 1/4 sets at -3, and we haven't got anything to lose by watching DS 2-4 except time (Solution 1).
The wheel layout is a different story though. Quite right iggiv. This d/s bet is good for the Mat,but when you look where d/s 5 and 2 sit on the wheel makes you think if missing the 2 sectors there in, now to take advantage
just handy to know where the losing streets are when that losing run comes
Quote from: falkor on Nov 30, 01:08 PM 2014
From what I can tell analysing the above: everything is happening too quickly at the beginning of the cycle and during the chaotic stage, so that the long losing streaks have all been transferred to the 4th DS.
Solution 1:
1) Stop after Open = 4 @ spin 4 (as we already would)
2) Watch for a medium-long gap between DS 1 - 4 before each closes
3) Observe there's a big gap before DS 4 closed
4) Bet on DS 5 or un-hit individual numbers of DS 5 and 6! (if the gap was on DS 2 we would bet for DS 3, and so on..)
Solution 2:
1) Stop for good after Open = 4 (or open = 4 and DS 1 closes by spins 6-7) and accept a losing set at -3 units.
Solution 2 means only wining 3/4 sets and losing 1/4 sets at -3, and we haven't got anything to lose by watching DS 2-4 except time (Solution 1).
Solution 2 is better to stop after DS 1 closes by spin 7 with at least 3 open - means we forfeit these sets:
14
57
74
95
111
148
158
196
204
242
265
271
282
309
334
349
373
391
403
...etc.
Solution 1 means if we close first 4 DSs too early:
DS 1: spin # 6-7
and
DS 2: spin # 8-12
and
DS 3: spin # 12-17
and
DS 4: spin # 13-21
we can't play DS 5 and have to forfeit:
2727/72704 = 4% of sets
So we go into "watch mode" at DS 1 closed by spin 7 with at least 3 open. I'll now re-evaluate the worst sessions with "watch mode" sets excluded.
Looking better now! :)
Quote from: falkor on Nov 30, 01:08 PM 2014
From what I can tell analysing the above: everything is happening too quickly at the beginning of the cycle and during the chaotic stage, so that the long losing streaks have all been transferred to the 4th DS.
Solution 1:
1) Stop after Open = 4 @ spin 4 (as we already would)
2) Watch for a medium-long gap between DS 1 - 4 before each closes
3) Observe there's a big gap before DS 4 closed
4) Bet on DS 5 or un-hit individual numbers of DS 5 and 6! (if the gap was on DS 2 we would bet for DS 3, and so on..)
Solution 2:
1) Stop for good after Open = 4 (or open = 4 and DS 1 closes by spins 6-7) and accept a losing set at -3 units.
Solution 2 means only wining 3/4 sets and losing 1/4 sets at -3, and we haven't got anything to lose by watching DS 2-4 except time (Solution 1).
If I understand it correctly, I like solution 2 more. I'm not sure it works, but we can make a slow progression there if we are winning 3/4 of the time. Simply increase by 1 unit the base bet for the next set everytime we lose. When we win 2, we reduce 1 unit, until we are in a new plus and get to lvl 1 units.
Quote from: vladir on Nov 30, 03:56 PM 2014
If I understand it correctly, I like solution 2 more. I'm not sure it works, but we can make a slow progression there if we are winning 3/4 of the time. Simply increase by 1 unit the base bet for the next set everytime we lose. When we win 2, we reduce 1 unit, until we are in a new plus and get to lvl 1 units.
It's much simpler that way, but with the other solution there is more money to be made.
BTW, there were several sets in the "watch mode" demo that were winning sets, but also alerted watch mode when it shouldn't have done; now fixed. And from the testing I've done since, that seems like the only rule we need to beat roulette with just 1 win per set and less than 500 bankroll! So if you get the right progression the game is already beaten. But really we need to learn this through to wins 2-10 and learn watch mode too.
The bankroll needed for set 27618 in my latest test was slightly too high to beat it (800), so we need one more rule to get it down to about 500:
*If DS 2 closes by spin 11 with at least 4 open then enter watch mode. That's unless you want to keep a spare 300 for every 27K sets you play! :twisted:
Falkor, what data do you use for testing? Why won't you test it against different German casino wheels from Spielbank data?
I am very skeptical about all this stuff. There were so many "grails" like this which won for some time then sank after a while.
The best thing to test is with different data from different sources. Each wheel is a different source. But the same RNG or wheel you are using for example is just one source of data which may work for you for a while. Some guys won on a paper for a million spins for example. And they still are not much better off than they before.
I use the same data from the roulette testing site, but I start the set from different numbers depending on what I'm testing. Orochi uses a different 6 million number test data and gets similar results to me. If you've got a link to any file with a column of numbers I can always test it on those.
link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=105&L=0&view=archiv (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=105&L=0&view=archiv)
link:://permanenzen.westspiel.de/Overview.aspx?casino=42 (link:://permanenzen.westspiel.de/Overview.aspx?casino=42)
Just do =random(0,36) in excel :) . Put it in 100.000 cells, and press F9 for each new set of 100.000 spins. Very practicle to do lots of tests.
I know it's not the best random generator out there, but its fair enough to test. If it beats this, I'm happy enough.
I don't have a progression in place yet, so here I'm only betting on 4 spin numbers:
10 - 100
14 - 200
15 - 400
18 - 800
The rest I bet 0.
Somebody send me an excel file with 100,000 numbers in 1 column and I'll run the same test on that! (I can't understand the German site)
This is how much profit it made:
Sets: 1043 (edit: there's a lot more sets than that but the number reset based on the "day")
2900 (all the spin 10s)
600 (all the spin 14s)
1200 (all the spin 15s)
2400 (all the spin 18s)
= 7100 units! $$$
(and this is just basic play!)
if you want really fair RNG, go random.org. Nothing is better than that.
But again, it's better to play against different wheels.
Random.org lets me do 10,000 numbers, though I suppose I could string more together...
This made 2K in 10,000 spins but only 2 of those spin numbers ever came in (set numbers actually reset after a certain amount, but there must be over 1,000 sets here).
Anyway, without a proper progression this is poultry winnings, but demonstrates proof of a grail and that the game is beaten at the most basic play of warriors system.
10k spins a day.
but German data can be downloaded with RX by hundreds of thousands spins. Even more. Millions. Last 3 or 4 years.
Time to get RX if you r serious about testing and did not get it yet. It may save you lots of money.
Quote from: falkor on Nov 30, 08:35 PM 2014
Random.org lets me do 10,000 numbers, though I suppose I could string more together...
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 30, 05:22 PM 2014
Some guys won on a paper for a million spins for example. And they still are not much better off than they before.
Which systems have passed a simulation of 1 million spins? I can't find any. When I asked on the forum people recommended ones like the Star System, but that totally flopped when I tested it. The only other system that somebody claimed passed such a test was "Against All Odds". I found different rules for that, but they suggest switching to a small section of the board that I know can sleep for up to 500 spins, so I can't see how that could possibly pass 1 million spins. Have you got any forum links to these system that "won on a paper for a million spins"? I would like to meet the authors of such systems myself just to see what kind of jewellery they're donning and whether they have a fast car or not.
Longest progression to first win, i.e. progression of simultaneous DSs played (established at 15% into the test):
0 1 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
I think that is doable at around 500? But to take into account all progressions and maximum for each spin number we might be better to add another safety net into watch mode:
Rule 1: DS 1 closed by spin 7 with at least 3 open (entering Watch Mode)
Rule 2: DS 2 closed by spin 11 with at least 3 open (entering Watch Mode)
New Rule 3: DS 3 closed by spin 15 with at least 3 open (entering Watch Mode)
We could scrap the 3rd rule, but then we would need to use an "average progression" and monitor any negative bankroll, or we can learn several types of progressions based on the first few spins, ie. 1123 or 1223, etc. I vote for an all encompassing progression that can bear hug anything the wheel throws at us!
I can provide you with 500 000 spins from random.org but no zero in excel file in 1 column. I would like to script this system if the rules are not too complicated, but I still don't understand how it should be played. I understood instructions from Nickmsi, but not the way falkor is playing. I don't even understand what it means that the DS is open or closed.
@MrG- Join the club. I think a lot of members are in the same boat.
The lack of testing results, how many unit won etc.... confirm this
perception.
OK, but if you guys download my attached sessions... you should be able to see exactly what's going on, and I have alerts in red, green and blue for nearly all early events: If a new number hits within a DS you start betting on it (= a DS opens) and you only stop betting on it when a new number hits for the same DS (= DS closed), counting the repeats (= DS Repeated) as bonus wins. When 4 DSs open up then pause betting as we are only betting a max of 3 and then start betting any DSs as they repeat* until the number of open DSs drops back down to 3. These basics have been re-told several times throughout the topic.
*see previous test results that show a repeated DS is more likely to close
(link:://s7.postimg.org/jayx8x5wb/Warriors.png)
Playing 5 DSs might take up to 2K if all 6 DSs open up without a close (see attached).
3 DSs isn't looking much better either at the moment:
Lose -1 -3 -9 -21 -45 -55 -67 -81 -98 -197 -395 -791 -1583
Bet 1 1 2 4 8 10 12 14 17 33 66 132 264
Max Simultaneous DSs 1 2 3 3 3 2 1 1 1 3 3 3 3
I'm changing the safety nets to try to get that down a bit - or I might need to examine some of these new losing streak sets to understand why they are happening like that (with 3 x 3 at the beginning and then 4 x 3 at the end).
EDIT: no set is going to have 3 x 3 so there needs to be a few different progressions based around spins 3-5
Quote from: falkor on Dec 01, 04:59 PM 2014
Longest progression to first win, i.e. progression of simultaneous DSs played (established at 15% into the test):
0 1 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
I think that is doable at around 500? But to take into account all progressions and maximum for each spin number we might be better to add another safety net into watch mode:
Rule 1: DS 1 closed by spin 7 with at least 3 open (entering Watch Mode)
Rule 2: DS 2 closed by spin 11 with at least 3 open (entering Watch Mode)
New Rule 3: DS 3 closed by spin 15 with at least 3 open (entering Watch Mode)
We could scrap the 3rd rule, but then we would need to use an "average progression" and monitor any negative bankroll, or we can learn several types of progressions based on the first few spins, ie. 1123 or 1223, etc. I vote for an all encompassing progression that can bear hug anything the wheel throws at us!
This is quite a complex problem and it seems the solution may be as simple as 1 rule geared around DS 3 closing since DS 1 and 2 aren't usually bet if 4+ DSs are open up so that's taken care of as part of that process. We may then bet repeats when DS 1 and 2 close, but they never amount to a big progression. Most of the BR is being taken trying to close DS 4 without a win - so we should go into watch mode on DS 4 and then see if DS 5 is playable. With DS 2-3 and open > 3 we are already kind of in watch mode unofficially. Anyway, I'll continue to grapple with this until it's solved and the first progression established.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 01, 08:32 PM 2014
This is quite a complex problem and it seems the solution may be as simple as 1 rule geared around DS 3 closing since DS 1 and 2 aren't usually bet if 4+ DSs are open up so that's taken care of as part of that process. We may then bet repeats when DS 1 and 2 close, but they never amount to a big progression. Most of the BR is being taken trying to close DS 4 without a win - so we should go into watch mode on DS 4 and then see if DS 5 is playable. With DS 2-3 and open > 3 we are already kind of in watch mode unofficially. Anyway, I'll continue to grapple with this until it's solved and the first progression established.
falkor, a while back you started a thread called "Comparing 3 different kinds of bets".
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14926.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14926.0)
ego assisted on reply #2 with some statistics.
You said this about the 2nd variation (5 lines):
"-The 2nd bet selection has more flexibility than the 3rd (5 variations vs. 2 variations)."
So here's an idea. Why not start off, right away with 5 lines, or wait till you see some repeat, then include the repeat line(s) in a group of 5 lines, always including the repeat lines, and dumping any sleeping lines.
In this way, you start off with the benefit of the statistics ego supplied, only this way, you are trying to be flexible about including lines most likely to hit (assuming a line with a repeat is most likely to hit). I believe ego also mentioned a possible progression in which you go no farther than 4 levels, expecting to walk away from a couple of losses every thousand spins or so, but still, always coming out ahead because of the statistics. This way you might be able to get off the ground for under 500 units BR.
Question: I've seen the stats on lines with repeats. Very interesting. But what stats say that just because a line opens up (shows), it is more likely to get another hit (show again) before any other line?
Still
Quote from: falkor on Nov 30, 11:35 AM 2014
Playing 5 simultaneous DSs (if you can afford it) is much more predictable and less chaotic.
Another reason to start out with 5 lines. Maybe, as stats are built up from what come in during 37 spins, in might be possible to narrow down to an even money bet like 3 lines by flowing with your stats. But if you end up using as much BR for 3 as for 5, might as well start with 5. That way you're usually being paid one unit while actionable information comes in about the lines.
In addition, where are the stats that say that when a line gets a unique number after it first shows, it is less likely to hit than any other line?
In regards to generating random numbers in your Excel engine, be sure to set a delay between calls to your random number function. I learned this the hard way. The more delay you put between calls, the more random it becomes. By calling fast, i was once able to beat Craps, but it fell apart when the delay (random) was added.
Still
Quote from: Still on Dec 02, 12:06 AM 2014
falkor, a while back you started a thread called "Comparing 3 different kinds of bets".
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14926.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14926.0)
ego assisted on reply #2 with some statistics.
You said this about the 2nd variation (5 lines):
"-The 2nd bet selection has more flexibility than the 3rd (5 variations vs. 2 variations)."
So here's an idea. Why not start off, right away with 5 lines, or wait till you see some repeat, then include the repeat line(s) in a group of 5 lines, always including the repeat lines, and dumping any sleeping lines.
In this way, you start off with the benefit of the statistics ego supplied, only this way, you are trying to be flexible about including lines most likely to hit (assuming a line with a repeat is most likely to hit). I believe ego also mentioned a possible progression in which you go no farther than 4 levels, expecting to walk away from a couple of losses every thousand spins or so, but still, always coming out ahead because of the statistics. This way you might be able to get off the ground for under 500 units BR.
Question: I've seen the stats on lines with repeats. Very interesting. But what stats say that just because a line opens up (shows), it is more likely to get another hit (show again) before any other line?
Still
The problem is that if the first 5-6 DSs open without a win then with 5 DSs we might have already used up to 1K BR. The question about repeats is fascinating and must have something to do with the law of the third (short-term). It's contrary to the Law of Large numbers, but that only comes into effect during the long-term. I don't understand why and never expected it, but at least we win more sets that way. Before I tested I discovered that betting the DSs in the dozens wasn't helping then when I bet 1 DS on a repeat that happened to come in the very next spin!
BTW, we could look at the possibility of switching to 5 DSs after the first win, but right now I'm still concentrating on the first win and the latest results are looking much better.
Quote from: Still on Dec 02, 02:56 AM 2014
Another reason to start out with 5 lines. Maybe, as stats are built up from what come in during 37 spins, in might be possible to narrow down to an even money bet like 3 lines by flowing with your stats. But if you end up using as much BR for 3 as for 5, might as well start with 5. That way you're usually being paid one unit while actionable information comes in about the lines.
In addition, where are the stats that say that when a line gets a unique number after it first shows, it is less likely to hit than any other line?
In regards to generating random numbers in your Excel engine, be sure to set a delay between calls to your random number function. I learned this the hard way. The more delay you put between calls, the more random it becomes. By calling fast, i was once able to beat Craps, but it fell apart when the delay (random) was added.
Still
Yep - I've considered betting dozens - and in some cases you could switch to High/Low. I was going to look at that next if the latest test results don't yield a BR of less than 500 for getting the first win.
As for the stats you are interested in, I've never tested that since the basic rules of Warriors means that once a new number comes in the DS is closed and we are finished with it for the set. I would guess that the longer you play the same set beyond 37 spins to more the Law of the Large Numbers comes into effect and the Law of the Third becomes less effective, and we are relying on the latter hence re-tracking after DS 4-5 closes.
I might be getting horny over nothing but the latest results are looking beautiful! :love: I think we've cracked it with the single rule on DS 3... nearly every set is being won and not much wasted and not a massive BR from what I can tell... TBC whether this is true; or a false alarm, i.e. wishful thinking! :wink:
Quote from: falkor on Dec 02, 05:36 AM 2014
I might be getting horny over nothing but the latest results are looking beautiful! :love: I think we've cracked it with the single rule on DS 3... nearly every set is being won and not much wasted and not a massive BR from what I can tell... TBC whether this is true; or a false alarm, i.e. wishful thinking! :wink:
you cracked it!
again: thanks for your work and effort!!!
any update on orochis tracker?
Orochi's tracker is very impressive! It can test up to 6 million spins, but I don't think its at a stage where it can suggest any progression or give us the exact way of playing. Hence, this is what's haunted me:
I'm lucky that my brain power is concentrated on one side - I may be crap at art and creativity, but I have the ability to see the trees amongst the forest - it seems we have a single crucial review/check point, and one point alone, where we must make the toughest decision (when DS 3 closes!). I've got a nice vision in my head right now of this system winning big bucks.
This is looking very nice... 1 in 20 sets is going into watch mode on DS 3 closing to check on the possibility of playing DS 5, but some of those might immediately quality for DS 4 (not our main priority right now). And not much is being potentially lost on those sets either.
19/20 sets are getting their first win outright! I don't have the final confirmation yet, but the excitement is returning: WARRIORS IS BACK - bigger and badder than ever before!! O0
Like RFMAXX already said:
Thank you for all your hard work and effort Falkor.
The work and effort that you have put in so far are amazing.
Np--you're welcome, guys! :)
It seems the DS 3 rule filters out 99% of losing streaks (i.e. most of the crap) and keeps everything within the 500 BR, but there's still 1% of sets that are exhausting the BR, but that's a massive improvement still. And these sets are more explainable.
In the attached set DS 2 closed as early as spin 10, which is well below the threshold we would even consider with the earlier rules (11-15). Following that DS 3 then took a maximum losing streak that exhausts the BR. The irony is that if we had warrior's wallet then DS 4 is guaranteed within 2 spins - that's when you would take out a 100K loan just for DS 4! >:D
Solution is to add in 1 more rule that is not dependent on open/closed but simply goes into watch mode at DS 2 closed/spin 10. We would have then watched it for 7-8 spins then bet our house on DS 4. Watch Mode is where roulette gets totally destroyed upon observing a lengthy gap.
Thanks for you work till now falkor. Why not simplify and play only the beggining of the cycle? The rest seems to require some extensive calculations to determin progression. Playing in a real casino, we won't have the luxury of being able to do it I guess...
However, yes, playig both the beggining and the end of the cycle may work good - in online play...
But why complicate, if we can have it working with just the beggining? (or can we not? )
You can play just the beginning of the cycle, and the profits will steadily increase, but if you learn it properly then you can demand large amounts of money in certain situations. And there isn't a great deal to remember once we have it tweaked. The struggle right now is to get less than a handful of rules - by trial and error - nailed precisely so that we never get wiped out by a single losing streak and know the optimum progression(s).
To play the beginning, chaotic stage and home straight, the only stuff you need to remember playing up to 3 DSs:
*DS 2 closed on which spin number? Is there 3 open? If so go into Watch Mode.
*DS 3 has closed without a win and below a certain spin number? If so go into watch mode.
*DS 3 closed at which spin number? How many repeats did DS 1 and DS 2 have? Play DS 4 or go into watch mode with the hope of playing DS 5?
*While betting for DS 4 has a repeat occurred? If so the predicted close will be less spins away - restart progression.
There will also be a couple of rules similar to above for wins 2+. Besides that the only other rules will be to do with Watch Mode: watch for any medium-large gaps then play the following DS otherwise watch the next DS. If all close quickly then you have to forfeit the set.
Out of several 100s of thousand of sets I'm now down to a handful that were all won - so they didn't end at watch mode - but did require about 1K to win them. To filter out those final few I've had to introduce one more rule, so with the next test I am confident all dangers have been eliminated. But how many times have I said something similar? ;D
Anyway, we're now back up to 3 rules again for entering Watch Mode, albeit very specific:
DS 1 Closes
Spin # less than 8
Open = 3
DS 2 Closes
Spin # less than 11
Open = 3
DS 3 Closes
Spin # less than? (not sure exactly yet so have left this part of the rule out for now)
Open = 3
Basically, the method to the madness is: when we fail to hit a DS with 3 blind mice then we have to make sure that we don't have 3 open, otherwise we could end up betting 3 continuously and exhausting the BR.
This has to be ultra safe since most of our risk taking will be done in watch mode.
These are now the toughest progressions out of a 100K+ sample (and it doesn't get any worse than this from 200K to 1 million trials)
(link:://s29.postimg.org/htpvak4c7/Toughest_Progressions.jpg)
So everything now looks to be within the 500 range!
Looking at the first 100 sets played the following entered Watch Mode based on the 3 rules:
2
10
14
15
20
21
22
26
31
33
35
36
37
39
47
53
57
60
64
70
74
77
83
85
86
88
89
96
99
The rest won outright:
1
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
11
12
13
16
17
18
19
23
24
25
27
28
29
30
34
38
40
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43
44
45
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51
52
54
55
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61
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65
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67
68
69
71
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73
75
76
78
79
80
81
82
84
87
90
91
92
93
94
95
97
98
100
Since this is only the FIRST WIN there's ample opportunity for those that repeated or won on DS 1 or DS 2 to incur MULTIPLE WINS before either closing the 4th or 5th or entering Watch Mode for the 5th.
And the Watch Mode sets that never made it to the first win also have a good chance to not only get out alive, but with potentially larger profits than the majority of sets that awarded one or more wins! So there's winning opportunities up every sleeve of this system! You would start with 500, but on a good day would not leave the casino without 1,000! :thumbsup:
So you win 70 out of 100 betting up to 5 DS?
If I bet 5 DS Iwin nearly 80 out of 100? but you got the winning system! :sad2:
Quote from: winkel on Dec 02, 02:56 PM 2014
So you win 70 out of 100 betting up to 5 DS?
If I bet 5 DS Iwin nearly 80 out of 100? but you got the winning system! :sad2:
We bet 1-3 DSs with 2 thirds winning outright multiple times, and the rest able to predict when a single win is due with amazing accuracy!
Ladies and Gentlemen, please thank Mr. winkel because we need as many people like him to discredit this system as nothing more than a conspiracy theory, so that we don't draw too much attention in our organised robberies of casino establishments.
You may of noticed by now that my first post is always very polite, where I ask nicely that people calm down and refrain from wars of words.
This is one of those moments.
Can I ask Falkor and Winkel to stop bickering. This is smoldering again
It starts as snide comments, then one-upmanship, then insults....then a ban.
Thanks guys
can someone explain in detail how this system works
falkor u spend A LOT of time typing and posting which is great
can you invest some of that energy into explaining this system in detal
like you would see in a pdf
RouletteGhost, you need to make the effort not me!
i cant comprehend the complexity
Falkor,
I was thinking on something new but im not in a possition to test it.
You @ a unit on each ds as it comes
4. Put 1 unit on ds 1
16. 2 units on ds 3
34. 3 units on ds 6. ( keep the 1 unit on ds1 and 2 on ds3 btw)
12. 4 units on ds 2
33. Hit 3 units on ds 6. What you now do is remove everything under 3 units, so 3 units, 2units and 1 unit. Whe only have 4 units standing on ds 2. We now continue counting on from 4 units. On a new high always reset !
Continue..
22. 5 units on ds 4 ,,,, and we still leave the 4 units on ds 2
30. 6 units on ds 6 ...
11. Hit 4 units on ds 2 ... Remove all below 4 units, this case its only ds2 and go on from 6 units
24. Hit 5 units on ds 4 etc.......
Session ends in 37 spins or if you have no ds left. Wichever comes first.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 02, 05:19 AM 2014
The problem is that if the first 5-6 DSs open without a win then with 5 DSs we might have already used up to 1K BR. The question about repeats is fascinating and must have something to do with the law of the third (short-term). It's contrary to the Law of Large numbers, but that only comes into effect during the long-term. I don't understand why and never expected it, but at least we win more sets that way. Before I tested I discovered that betting the DSs in the dozens wasn't helping then when I bet 1 DS on a repeat that happened to come in the very next spin!
BTW, we could look at the possibility of switching to 5 DSs after the first win, but right now I'm still concentrating on the first win and the latest results are looking much better.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 02, 05:24 AM 2014
Yep - I've considered betting dozens - and in some cases you could switch to High/Low. I was going to look at that next if the latest test results don't yield a BR of less than 500 for getting the first win.
As for the stats you are interested in, I've never tested that since the basic rules of Warriors means that once a new number comes in the DS is closed and we are finished with it for the set. I would guess that the longer you play the same set beyond 37 spins to more the Law of the Large Numbers comes into effect and the Law of the Third becomes less effective, and we are relying on the latter hence re-tracking after DS 4-5 closes.
falkor, i'm having trouble communicating what tests i think are important. Other folks want tests done but there are time constraints. I am well versed in VBA, so if you are in the mood to share your Excel engine i might be able to run some additional tests with the view to cornering the best bets for lines with some interest in getting things done in 37 spins, which means looking at lots of stats in that window. If there is a list of a million spins somewhere that too would be interesting to share, or else i can generate my own (using delayed calls to a random function) and store them in a text file. I could build an engine but would appreciate a jump start.
Still
Quote from: Rewster88 on Dec 02, 09:12 PM 2014
Falkor,
I was thinking on something new but im not in a possition to test it.
You @ a unit on each ds as it comes
4. Put 1 unit on ds 1
16. 2 units on ds 3
34. 3 units on ds 6. ( keep the 1 unit on ds1 and 2 on ds3 btw)
12. 4 units on ds 2
33. Hit 3 units on ds 6. What you now do is remove everything under 3 units, so 3 units, 2units and 1 unit. Whe only have 4 units standing on ds 2. We now continue counting on from 4 units. On a new high always reset !
Continue..
22. 5 units on ds 4 ,,,, and we still leave the 4 units on ds 2
30. 6 units on ds 6 ...
11. Hit 4 units on ds 2 ... Remove all below 4 units, this case its only ds2 and go on from 6 units
24. Hit 5 units on ds 4 etc.......
Session ends in 37 spins or if you have no ds left. Wichever comes first.
Your last idea sounded good too, but I'm not in a position to test it either until I finish with warrior's system, which is a bit different to repetitive ones - it involves a lot of memory and decision making.
Quote from: Still on Dec 03, 02:52 AM 2014
falkor, i'm having trouble communicating what tests i think are important. Other folks want tests done but there are time constraints. I am well versed in VBA, so if you are in the mood to share your Excel engine i might be able to run some additional tests with the view to cornering the best bets for lines with some interest in getting things done in 37 spins, which means looking at lots of stats in that window. If there is a list of a million spins somewhere that too would be interesting to share, or else i can generate my own (using delayed calls to a random function) and store them in a text file. I could build an engine but would appreciate a jump start.
Still
Most of my tests aren't done in excel, but if you've got some ideas on how to corner the DSs during the "chaotic stage" based on previous sets that I've posted then please let us know your ideas and how they would have caught those DSs and come out with a profit at less BR than playing 4-5 DSs, etc. However, I think the method I've developed is very safe and together with the 3 rules means our BR is always healthy. But we'll never be able to hit all the DSs with 3 blind mice.
These are all the progressions in terms of bet selection that lead to the first win:
1 39031
1 1 1091
1 1 1 35
1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 2 3 2
1 1 1 2 27
1 1 1 2 2 1
1 1 1 2 2 3 1
1 1 1 2 2 3 3 1
1 1 1 2 3 70
1 1 1 2 3 1 2
1 1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 1
1 1 1 2 3 1 2 2 3 2 1
1 1 1 2 3 1 3 1
1 1 1 2 3 1 3 1 1
1 1 1 2 3 1 3 3 1
1 1 1 2 3 3 2
1 1 1 2 3 3 1 1 2
1 1 2 1654
1 1 2 2 37
1 1 2 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2 3 1 1 3 1
1 1 2 2 2 3 3 1
1 1 2 2 3 86
1 1 2 2 3 1 1
1 1 2 2 3 1 1 1 2
1 1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1
1 1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 1 2 2 3 1 1 2 1
1 1 2 2 3 1 2 1
1 1 2 2 3 1 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 1
1 1 2 2 3 1 3 2
1 1 2 2 3 1 3 3 1
1 1 2 2 3 3 5
1 1 2 2 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 2908
1 1 2 3 1 149
1 1 2 3 1 1 60
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 42
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 22
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 8
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 4
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 2
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 1 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 2 5
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 3
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 3
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 2 7
1 1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 1 3 4
1 1 2 3 1 1 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 2 6
1 1 2 3 1 2 2 5
1 1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2
1 1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 1
1 1 2 3 1 2 2 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 2 3 6
1 1 2 3 1 2 3 2 1
1 1 2 3 1 2 3 2 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 2 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1 3 6
1 1 2 3 1 3 1 2
1 1 2 3 1 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 3 72
1 1 2 3 3 1 2
1 1 2 3 3 1 1 2
1 1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1
1 1 2 3 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 1 2 3 3 1 2 1
1 1 2 3 3 1 2 3 1
1 1 2 3 3 1 3 1
1 1 2 3 3 3 4
1 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 63484
1 2 2 1709
1 2 2 2 51
1 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 2 2 3 67
1 2 2 2 3 1 3
1 2 2 2 3 1 1 1 1
1 2 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 2 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 2 2 3 1 3 1
1 2 2 3 2922
1 2 2 3 1 160
1 2 2 3 1 1 59
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 39
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 20
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 7
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 8
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 4
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 3 1 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 2
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 2 8
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 2 8
1 2 2 3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 2 3 3
1 2 2 3 1 1 3 2
1 2 2 3 1 1 3 1 1
1 2 2 3 1 1 3 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 2 9
1 2 2 3 1 2 2 5
1 2 2 3 1 2 2 2 2
1 2 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2
1 2 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 2 2 3 2
1 2 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 2 3 2
1 2 2 3 1 2 3 2 2
1 2 2 3 1 2 3 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 2 3 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 2 3 3 2 2 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 2 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 2 3 1 3 5
1 2 2 3 1 3 1 1 2 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 1 3 3 2
1 2 2 3 1 3 3 3 3 1 1
1 2 2 3 3 77
1 2 2 3 3 1 1
1 2 2 3 3 1 1 1 1
1 2 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 2
1 2 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 2 3 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 3 1 2 1
1 2 2 3 3 1 2 2 1
1 2 2 3 3 1 3 2
1 2 2 3 3 3 3
1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 108800
1 2 3 1 6097
1 2 3 1 1 2189
1 2 3 1 1 1 1506
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 685
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 420
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 191
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 82
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 29
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 13
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 4
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 3
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 14
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 12
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 40
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 13
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 7
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 6
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 3
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 72
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 43
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 20
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 4
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 6
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 4
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 3
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 6
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 162
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 66
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 36
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 18
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 6
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 3 7
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 6
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 15
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 3 8
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 3 6
1 2 3 1 1 1 3 1 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 2
1 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 3 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 263
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 141
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 77
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 31
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 16
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 4
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 3 8
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 3 16
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 3 3 11
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 4
1 2 3 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 31
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 2 2
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 3 15
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 3 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 3 3 7
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 3
1 2 3 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 1 3 4
1 2 3 1 1 3 1 2
1 2 3 1 1 3 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 2 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 3 3 3
1 2 3 1 1 3 3 1 1
1 2 3 1 1 3 3 1 3 1
1 2 3 1 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 592
1 2 3 1 2 2 237
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 142
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 53
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 27
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 10
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 3 3
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 3 11
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 3 2 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 3 3 5
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3
1 2 3 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 3 19
1 2 3 1 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 10
1 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 3 4
1 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 5
1 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 3 47
1 2 3 1 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 1 2 3 2 2 3 1
1 2 3 1 2 3 3 15
1 2 3 1 2 3 3 3 12
1 2 3 1 2 3 3 3 3 5
1 2 3 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 3
1 2 3 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 2
1 2 3 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 3 10
1 2 3 1 3 1 3
1 2 3 1 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 1 3 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 3 3 1
1 2 3 1 3 3 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 3 2865
1 2 3 3 1 167
1 2 3 3 1 1 64
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 31
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 13
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 9
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 2 3
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 3 3 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 2 3
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 3 1 1 1 3 2
1 2 3 3 1 1 2 7
1 2 3 3 1 1 2 2 9
1 2 3 3 1 1 2 2 2 4
1 2 3 3 1 1 3 2
1 2 3 3 1 2 17
1 2 3 3 1 2 2 5
1 2 3 3 1 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 3 1 2 2 2 2 3
1 2 3 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 3 1 2 2 3 1
1 2 3 3 1 2 3 4
1 2 3 3 1 2 3 3 2
1 2 3 3 1 3 1 1
1 2 3 3 1 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 3 3 93
1 2 3 3 3 1 2
1 2 3 3 3 1 1 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 1 1 3 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 1 3 3 3 3 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 3 1
1 2 3 3 3 1 3 3 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 3 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 2 3 3 3 3 3 4
1 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1
QuoteThese are all the progressions in terms of bet selection that lead to the first win:
Nice, do we get the ones that lead to a loss as well?
For everyone that doesn't understand it all yet, this is where we start:
Quote from: falkor on Dec 01, 05:21 PM 2014
If a new number hits within a DS you start betting on it (= a DS opens) and you only stop betting on it when a new number hits for the same DS (= DS closed), counting the repeats (= DS Repeated) as bonus wins. When 4 DSs open up then pause betting as we are only betting a max of 3 and then start betting any DSs as they repeat until the number of open DSs drops back down to 3. These basics have been re-told several times throughout the topic.
After that we have some rules to go into Watch Mode.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 02, 01:45 PM 2014
DS 1 Closes
Spin # less than 8
Open = 3
DS 2 Closes
Spin # less than 11
Open = 3
DS 3 Closes
Spin # less than? (not sure exactly yet so have left this part of the rule out for now)
Open = 3
The one thing that I don't understand yet is what we're doing once we are in Watch Mode.
But this is what I understand so far.
QuoteThe one thing that I don't understand yet is what we're doing once we are in Watch Mode.
But this is what I understand so far.
In Watch Mode you wait for the current DS to repeat/close between DS 2 closing and DS 4 closing (we could also include between DS 1 closing and DS 2 closing, but if we get the right trigger we would have to play up to 5 DSs). The first possible trigger is a repeat, which means we might jump on the DS that repeated awaiting closure. the second trigger is that the DS closed after a medium-long gap, say, 8 spins or more. The following DS may then be due within 1-2 spins, so your progression might be 100,200,400. If all DSs close too quickly and you haven't observed any repeats or decent sized gaps then you have to forfeit the set.
look at post 303 from warrior:
In the quote above, there were two numbers missing from the series of 37 numbers that were posted by falkor and then RFMAXX for study. Given these two numbers (in red below), would you bet this session differently? Also, i see one loss and two wins. Does that mean you only bet three times in this session?
15 33 20 4 0 30 10 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
W on the 21 , even better no L on the 2
W on the 21? No L on the 2?
It seems, he does not play the rules we figured out.
also take a look at the WL string to orochis excel file. warrior switches the play style. but i have to figure out why and when.
Spin Number DS Profit
1 5 1 bet 1 unit on ds 1
2 6 1 5 w close ds1
3 30 5 bet 1 unit on ds 5
4 10 2 4 L DS 1 belongs to dozen 1 and a ds in the dozen is closed so do not bet
5 5 1 DS 1 belongs to dozen 1 and a ds in the dozen is closed so do not bet
6 27 5 close ds 5
7 19 4 bet 1 unit on ds 4
8 34 6 3 L closed ds
9 25 5 L closed ds
10 21 4 close ds 4, 1 unit ds 1+5 because of repeaters
11 15 3 1 L betting ds 2,3,6 ?
12 2 1 -2 betting ds 2,3,6 ?
13 8 2 1 win, +6 -3 = 3, close ds 2 betting ds 3,6 , start progression
14 30 5 -1 lost, -2 betting ds 3,6 3 units each?
15 4 1 -7 lost, -6 betting ds 3,6 8 units each?
16 21 4 -23 lost, -16 betting ds 3,6 9 units each?
17 3 4 -41 lost, -18 betting ds 3,6 14 units each?
18 35 6 15 win, + 56, close 6 play last ds 3 1 unit
19 13 3 20 win, +5
Quote from: falkor on Dec 03, 05:04 AM 2014
In Watch Mode you wait for the current DS to repeat/close between DS 2 closing and DS 4 closing (we could also include between DS 1 closing and DS 2 closing, but if we get the right trigger we would have to play up to 5 DSs). The first possible trigger is a repeat, which means we might jump on the DS that repeated awaiting closure. the second trigger is that the DS closed after a medium-long gap, say, 8 spins or more. The following DS may then be due within 1-2 spins, so your progression might be 100,200,400. If all DSs close too quickly and you haven't observed any repeats or decent sized gaps then you have to forfeit the set.
Ah, that explains it.
Thank you Falkor :thumbsup:
RFMAXX, I tested the dozen theory out myself and I can't see any advantage, but following the repeats is for sure rewarding. We can't randomly pick 3/5 DSs that each have the same chance of hitting because if we get it wrong then our BR is eaten up. Though it may not affect us much in the short-term we might one day have to forfeit a whole session of 500 instead of the 1 set. We are best to not bet any DSs unless there's a repeat or below 4 open/closed.
hi falkor,
but how warrior plays like this on
15 33 20 4 0 30 10 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
only one w? no L? why does he not bet every ds as it comes in? thats what he stated before.
i am testing day and night to get the best possible results. i'll let you guys know, if i found something new :)
Quote from: winkel on Dec 03, 04:00 AM 2014
Nice, do we get the ones that lead to a loss as well?
Nothing loses unless we get to watch mode and nothing happens in there. In there its like poker: you keep folding small amounts until you get the right cards then you put all your money on the table!
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 03, 05:27 AM 2014
hi falkor,
but how warrior plays like this on
15 33 20 4 0 30 10 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
only one w? no L? why does he not bet every ds as it comes in? thats what he stated before.
i am testing day and night to get the best possible results. i'll let you guys know, if i found something new :)
I think he must spend a lot of time in watch mode looking for the golden opportunity based on DSs closing/repeating on different spin numbers. That's the only way you will make big money.
like this? :)
Post 303
Spin DS Mode
15 3 watch mode
33 6 watch mode
20 4 watch mode
4 1 watch mode
0 0 watch mode
30 5 watch mode
10 2 watch mode
30 5 remain open, repeater watch mode
11 2 close ds 2 watch mode
4 1 remain open, repeater watch mode
10 2 watch mode
28 5 close ds 5 watch mode
2 1 close ds 1 watch mode
21 4 bet 3,4,6 W Bet Mode
wait till 3 ds closed
To play Watch Mode effectively we are going to have to learn a few combinations of variables. The biggest profits will be made after DS 3 closes and when DS 4 closes, but to predict whether DS 4/5 is due in 12 spins or 4 spins you need to take into account:
*DS 1 spin number
*DS 2 spin number
*DS 3 spin number
*Number of repeats prior to DS 1,2 and 3 closing
With that information you can gauge exactly how big to place the bet based on the max losing streak and potential progression steps, but the average will always be in your favour.
A good example is re-attached below from a few pages ago:
*DS 3 closed on spin 18. That tells us that DS 4 is due in 12 spins max (average 2)
*DS 2 closed on spin 10. That doesn't change anything for this example as it closed very quickly.
*DS 1 closed on spin 9. In combination that tells us that DS 4 is due in 5 spins max (average 1)
*Any repeats would have narrowed it down to 4 spins
I think I'll move onto developing this part of the system next.
Quote from: winkel on Dec 02, 02:56 PM 2014
If I bet 5 DS Iwin nearly 80 out of 100?
winkel, could you provide a link to that system? That's pretty good.
Quote from: Still on Dec 03, 10:37 PM 2014
That's pretty good.
You´re joking, aren´t you
Playing 1 ds is a hitrate of 16.67%
Playing 5 ds is a hitrate of 83.35% - Zero
@all
this has changed from "I know which DS is next to show up" to "Watch Mode" and a dangerous Progression with a final All in.
Based on a statistic with much to less data. It is Bold Play now.
A Hype ends always in a depression
490 replies are we any the wiser, with falkors tests, you'd one day meet the one you never thought you'd see, but its more info to ponder in the battle with the wheel.
Regarding the DS lines...
It seems a (ahem) "well-known vendor" has cracked the problem already, attributing it to discovered combo "waves" - at least according to:
link:://:.roulettesformulacbw.com/ (link:://:.roulettesformulacbw.com/)
A demo video of it in action here:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=giF5Wz8TbBU (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=giF5Wz8TbBU)
Maybe the answer to spiralling profits is there - or then again, maybe NOT!?
It is claimed it has NEVER LOST!!!
Phew! So there we are - problem solved! See you in the millionaire's lounge! :)
Regards,
A.
A....
He doesnt play the right line (19/24) in the demo.
He plays 22/27.
After the book wouldnt stand up, I was waiting for "not 1, not 2 but 3 Titanium tipped fountain pens" and one of those magic cloths that clean anything
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 10:14 AM 2014
After the book wouldnt stand up, I was waiting for "not 1, not 2 but 3 Titanium tipped fountain pens" and one of those magic cloths that clean anything
:)
Has anyone ordered/tested that system before? It does look similar to WARRIORS.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 10:14 AM 2014
After the book wouldnt stand up, I was waiting for "not 1, not 2 but 3 Titanium tipped fountain pens" and one of those magic cloths that clean anything
They must have ran out of Steak Knives!
You have to give the guy in the video credit for keeping things going without creasing up with laughter. Maybe he is an attorney who has fallen on hard times. :xd:
Oh no. Warrior is MARK SILVERTHORNE
Just out of interest, is the accent in the video Canadian? I really wouldnt be able to tell.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 09, 10:58 AM 2014
Has anyone ordered/tested that system before? It does look similar to WARRIORS.
It does seem similar to warrior's. After looking at the vidclip and trying a few sessions it really does seem to work esp. if you use a "milder" progression. Turner, I noticed that he did not use the standard lines and I really believe that was not an error but an integral part of the method. I think they pick the street the number is on and the one below it to get the "line".
In my particular test I did not bet more than 3 lines. And after the first 3 bets - a loss of 1 line, then 2 lines and then 3 lines I just continued betting the most recent 3 lines hit each spin and used +1u on a loss until the win finally came. I've no idea if this is what they do, but might be correct...?
Using +1/-1 you would sometimes for the next round need to continue on at a higher level than 1 unit to "catch up" or get profit whereas I think they could be using a more 'risky' progression that would guarantee a profit on each round of play - providing of course that it works, that is...! They do claim it NEVER LOST.
Of course, we cannot know for sure without access to the full mechanics of it - but I do not think it will be too different or complicated than that.
The speaker in the vid (posted a day ago) is Russell Hunter,colleague of Martin Silverthorne, and I think Phoenix, Arizona is his HQ
A.
$99-97 for something that has NEVER lost ?
If it looks too good to be true, odds on it IS too good to be true......
O0
Most of his systems u can get free. Google the system name and add pdf
Example:
Google search "silverthorne quads method pdf"
i really like that video and how he plays
he may be a scam artist but he just gave away his method for free
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 05:56 PM 2014
i really like that video and how he plays
he may be a scam artist but he just gave away his method for free
Then please start a new thread explaining it all to us.....
That will help a lot of the members looking at this.
O0
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 05:56 PM 2014
i really like that video and how he plays
he may be a scam artist but he just gave away his method for free
I would like to see how he would have handled another DS coming into play and how much he would have been betting.....
Jim
Quote from: JimmieB on Dec 09, 06:12 PM 2014
I would like to see how he would have handled another DS coming into play and how much he would have been betting.....
Jim
playing now with $5 chips up $200
can be tested online safely with .10 cent minimum
how i play it
spin 1- 1 chip
if lose
spin 2- 2 chips on each of the 2 DS
if lose
spin 3- 4 chips each on the 3 DS
if lose
spin 4- 6 chips each on the 4 DS
if lose
spin 5- 8 chips each on the 5 DS
sometimes the limits wont allow this, in that case id throw the chips on each street next to the chip on the DS
:thumbsup:
you will win by spin 5 99.9% of the time, 6 unique DS in a row are very rare.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 06:07 PM 2014
Then please start a new thread explaining it all to us.....
That will help a lot of the members looking at this.
O0
got everything i needed from the video
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 06:26 PM 2014
got everything i needed from the video
As he is offering something that NEVER loses for $99-87, I never even looked at the video.
gl to you..... :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 06:28 PM 2014
As he is offering something that NEVER loses for $99-87, I never even looked at the video.
gl to you..... :thumbsup:
O0
thanks for the luck
p.s. its a method we have been discussing in the forum the past several days. many times this scam artist markets OK systems that work but we are not dumb enough to buy them
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 06:31 PM 2014
thanks for the luck
p.s. its a method we have been discussing in the forum the past several days. many times this scam artist markets OK systems that work but we are not dumb enough to buy them
If you mean Warrior's "system" then again gl to you. I spent way way way too long chasing threads with ppl dropping breadcrumbs for me to follow.....
No more !!!!!!
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 06:36 PM 2014
If you mean Warrior's "system" then again gl to you. I spent way way way too long chasing threads with ppl dropping breadcrumbs for me to follow.....
No more !!!!!!
O0
i hate breadcrumbs to
i took what other people formulated from his system and were nice enough to post how they play it
1 member plays with doublestreets and it works
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 06:39 PM 2014
i hate breadcrumbs to
i took what other people formulated from his system and were nice enough to post how they play it
1 member plays with doublestreets and it works
I must of missed that, who is the member in question please ? I have a idea who, but would like to hear
it from you.
thxs
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 06:43 PM 2014
I must of missed that, who is the member in question please ? I have a idea who, but would like to hear
it from you.
thxs
O0
OK ddarko YOU GOT IT
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15071.45 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15071.45)
"agesta
Re: Dane´s JAW OF THE THIRDS
Hi!
I play Danes Ds system like this.
Nr 4 hits Ds 1, put a unit on Ds 1
Nr 19 hits Ds 4, put a unit on Ds 1 and 4
Nr 21 hits ,win on Ds 4 ,remove the unit from Ds 4 ,1 unit on Ds 1
Nr 7 hits loss. Session over There has been 2 hits on Ds 1-3 and 2 hits on Ds 4-6.
My last 102 spins playing like this gained 38 units.
Agesta"this is what is done in that video but with a progression
i dont believe it is derived from warriors system, this is seperate, i was confused from all the things being discussed on the forum lately
anything else you want to know?
@RouletteGhost
Nope, nothing else thank you.
You have been v kind, thxs for taking the time to reply.......
& again gl to you.
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 07:02 PM 2014
@RouletteGhost
Nope, nothing else thank you.
You have been v kind, thxs for taking the time to reply.......
& again gl to you.
O0
anytime
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 06:16 PM 2014
playing now with $5 chips up $200
can be tested online safely with .10 cent minimum
how i play it
spin 1- 1 chip
if lose
spin 2- 2 chips on each of the 2 DS
if lose
spin 3- 4 chips each on the 3 DS
if lose
spin 4- 6 chips each on the 4 DS
if lose
spin 5- 8 chips each on the 5 DS
sometimes the limits wont allow this, in that case id throw the chips on each street next to the chip on the DS
:thumbsup:
you will win by spin 5 99.9% of the time, 6 unique DS in a row are very rare.
at spin 5 you've laid 81 units,hope it wins but be lite by 33 units, is this to many units to win back
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 09, 07:26 PM 2014
at spin 5 you've laid 81 units,hope it wins but be lite by 33 units, is this to many units to win back
Yes and no. It is rare to get to spin 5. So one can say by the time you get there youve either won the units necessary to still be in profit or the drawdown wont be that extreme in regards to winning previous units
You can have a win goal or a different progression as well, maybe a lighter progression
Some tweaking can make this solid
The way i play it can be greatly improved, i am not good with math or progressions like GLC lol
Edit. I wonder how this would work with
1 unit until a win if down go to 2 units. If up back to 1 unit. If down then 3 units on each until a win if up back to 1 unit
The thing is this will win a lot within 4 tries
Would be fun to experiment online love dealer with .10 cent wagers
RouletteGhost, you only seeing the potential of this idea now? What took you so long? :xd:
I think I'll purchase the similar system that's advertised or see if the author will accept my best beast instead!
OK I got it! First impressions are actually quite good, though the first half of the book covers a lot of basics and the system only really starts with the 2nd half. It's looking almost identical to WARRIORS - based on "waves" during the first 37 spins - with an intricate money management system. Looks like an interesting read and confirms our suspicions!
Yes falkor. Some member are nice enough to lay it out for understanding rather then drop hints lol
All i need now is money management that is safe and yields profit
I think +1 after a losing session can be good
I couldnt imagine giving silverthorne my money but i hope that books has lots of good info
He is probably reading this forum now to
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 07:37 PM 2014
Yes and no. It is rare to get to spin 5. So one can say by the time you get there youve either won the units necessary to still be in profit or the drawdown wont be that extreme in regards to winning previous units
You can have a win goal or a different progression as well, maybe a lighter progression
Some tweaking can make this solid
The way i play it can be greatly improved, i am not good with math or progressions like GLC lol
Edit. I wonder how this would work with
1 unit until a win if down go to 2 units. If up back to 1 unit. If down then 3 units on each until a win if up back to 1 unit
The thing is this will win a lot within 4 tries
Would be fun to experiment online love dealer with .10 cent wagers
Just my view
You use the word "rare" as some kind of advantage a lot, I notice.
In many ways, RARE seems to have as much chance to come next
I find it best, if using probability, to find good maths in the short term.
@Turner
Totally agree with u mate, otherwise we will not call roulette gambling, but rather we will call
it $ harvesting....lol lol :)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 07:37 PM 2014
Yes and no. It is rare to get to spin 5. So one can say by the time you get there youve either won the units necessary to still be in profit or the drawdown wont be that extreme in regards to winning previous units
You can have a win goal or a different progression as well, maybe a lighter progression
Some tweaking can make this solid
The way i play it can be greatly improved, i am not good with math or progressions like GLC lol
Edit. I wonder how this would work with
1 unit until a win if down go to 2 units. If up back to 1 unit. If down then 3 units on each until a win if up back to 1 unit
The thing is this will win a lot within 4 tries
Would be fun to experiment online love dealer with .10 cent wagers
The thing is this will win a lot within 4 tries,
better if 3 spins
Hi nottophammer,
There's definately some merit in playing that way. I am doing well in real play for low stakes using what I think is something like that commercial rouletteCBW method... I couldn't fully understand warrior's way from the various postings...
I don't know if I'm playing exactly like I should be, because I don't have a copy of the pdf download - and like maybe a few others am loathe to purchase a silverthorne product. (I did once - but I also managed to get some free from off of the net too)
Anyhow, +55 units today. Seems to be winning regularly enough for me.
A.
Atlantis do you play it similar to the video?
If so i practiced online and it worked well
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 11, 10:31 AM 2014
Atlantis do you play it similar to the video?
If so i practiced online and it worked well
Good to hear, RouletteGhost! Yes I play it quite similar. Of course that video is only a snippet and does not show what may happen in other or all possible scenarios - so we do not have the full picture in its entirety.... Obviously the vendor is not going to provide a full resume of how it works - but the sales pitch blurb quite openly states that it has NEVER LOST! NOT ONCE in all testing!
Those that have access to the full system can maybe fill in the missing pieces or say if we're on the right track. Also those that have it could also frankly state whether they found the claims to be true and possibly update us with all the profits they are making from using it. :)
Now I'm off to win some more.
A.
Atlantis
how often does betting pass 3 d/s
i have a progression that works
AS LONG AS there are not 6 unique DS in a row
spin 1- play the last double street 1 chip
if lose
spin 2- play last 2 double streets, 1 chip on each
if lose
spin 3- play last 3 double streets, 2 chips on each
if lose
spin 4- play last 4 double streets, 5 chips on each
if lose
spin 5- play last 5 double streets, 10 chips on each
if lose- thats 6 unique double streets. you lose
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 11, 08:16 PM 2014
i have a progression that works
AS LONG AS there are not 6 unique DS in a row
spin 1- play the last double street 1 chip
if lose
spin 2- play last 2 double streets, 1 chip on each
if lose
spin 3- play last 3 double streets, 2 chips on each
if lose
spin 4- play last 4 double streets, 5 chips on each
if lose
spin 5- play last 5 double streets, 10 chips on each
if lose- thats 6 unique double streets. you lose
This has been tried /tested years ago, mi two cents is to not risk your money with this because you will lose , 6 DS in row is not a *rare* event.
Totally agreed; Don't forget the old big green.....; These methods are loosers;
have to think out of the box if want to win big ....lol lol :)
The CBW documentation has one major contradiction: it says you can expect to lose once every 33 games, but then it said that during testing over thousands of sets it never lost once!?
What I can reveal is that the CBW is a much more simplified version of WARRIORS compared to what we have been discussing in previous pages. And, although I haven't tested it yet, it should wipe out the BR quite often since it always attempts to close the 4th DS and I've already highlighted that attempting closure of the 4th DS is often one of the most dangerous moves without proper analysis. CBW understands waves and the "law of the third" through their general roulette advice, but from what I gather there is no attempt to integrate this into their system proper.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 12, 08:27 AM 2014
The CBW documentation has one major contradiction: it says you can expect to lose once every 33 games, but then it said that during testing over thousands of sets it never lost once!?
What I can reveal is that the CBW is a much more simplified version of WARRIORS compared to what we have been discussing in previous pages. And, although I haven't tested it yet, it should wipe out the BR quite often since it always attempts to close the 4th DS and I've already highlighted that attempting closure of the 4th DS is often one of the most dangerous moves without proper analysis. CBW understands waves and the "law of the third" through their general roulette advice, but from what I gather there is no attempt to integrate this into their system proper.
Thanks. Are you going to ask for a refund? :)
Haha lol, so say it be 3 in 99 as 1 in 33. And if it would be the first 3 sessions you lose, i will not have the balls playing the other 96 anymore :xd: so its still a gamble when your 33 comes.
It loses when 6 unique DS hit in a row
Here's the latest testing for my variation of WARRIORS with the following rules to enter Watch Mode:
DS 1 closes
Spin # < 8
Open = 3
Wintotal = 0
DS 2 closes
Spin # < 11
Open = 3
Wintotal = 0
DS 3 closes
Spin # < 19
Open > 2
Win or lose no matter
Sets end when DS 5 closes!
These sets need to be examined as I don't think they would keep within the table limits:
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 (1534)
3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 (301)
So the rules aren't perfect yet, but we are getting there! Sometimes all 5 DSs can close too quickly leaving no options in Watch Mode, so there must be a new trail to follow in that situation, but I haven't figured out what it is yet... either switch to numbers with single appearances or test if a different DS might be due in.
Attached is a snapshot showing all the winning sets with lines through those that enter Watch Mode without a profit.
Considering there isn't much lost for the sets I've highlighted with a strikethrough (red is least minor @ 10-20 units; yellow very minor about 5-10 units max) and considering there are multiple wins per sets - between the lines - shows that the system wins more than it losses!
And even if we have to pause betting during watch mode I'm convinced there are more options available even if we fail to observe any medium-long losing streaks.
Some new rules have been added - and it seems if you get the rules right for DS 1-3 then no rules are needed for DS 4-5; in my latest tests I am closing up to 6 DSs!
To maintain 500 BR:
Betting 3 DSs can tolerate 8 losses
Betting 2 DSs can tolerate 12 losses
Betting 1 DS can tolerate 27 losses
Right now the rules are quite strict and I am left with only 15 problem sets out of 36,000:
0 1 2 3 Win! 2 Win! 1 2 3 Win! 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 3315)
0 1 2 Win! 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 4147)
0 1 2 3 Win! 2 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 7678)
0 1 2 3 0 1 1 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 2 2 2 3 3 3 Win! 2 2 2 2 Win! 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 Win! (10256)
0 1 Win! 0 1 2 3 Win! 2 Win! 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 3 2 3 Win! DS 4 Watch Mode (set: 12552)
0 1 2 Win! 1 2 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 18978)
0 1 Win! 0 1 1 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 1 2 Win! 3 Win! 3 3 3 Win! 3 3 Win! 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! (20905)
0 1 Win! 0 0 1 1 1 2 3 Win! 3 Win! 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 1 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! 1 Win! (21499)
0 1 Win! 0 1 2 Win! 2 3 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1 DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 24253)
0 0 1 1 2 3 0 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 3 3 Win! 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 2 Win! 1 Win! (28162)
0 1 2 Win! 1 1 1 2 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 28518)
0 1 2 Win! 1 2 Win! 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 28872)
0 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 Win! 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 2 2 Win! 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! (29812)
0 1 Win! 0 0 1 2 2 3 3 Win! 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! (34857)
0 1 2 3 Win! 2 Win! 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 0 3 3 Win! DS 4 Watch Mode (set: 36307)
Those will be eliminated next test and then set will be ended at Watch Mode so that twice those number of sets can be tested. I may need to go back and relax the rules for DS 4.
This topic is losing it's appeal! And that's because most people don't know how to spot a winning system, so the casinos never have to worry - topics with rich pickings like this just get lost in a haze of conspiracy theories. But this genuine gem of a system is starting to sparkle:
Having begun to take shape this system is now ULTRA SAFE - I predict it will remain within 400 of the 500 BR - never to break the bank! In fact I am now looking to relax some of these rules in order to squeeze out maximum profits before entering watch mode:
DS 1 Closes
Win Total = 0
Spin # < 8
Open = 3
DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 7
DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 12
Open > 1
DS 3 Closes
Spin # < 17
DS 3 Closes
Spin # < 21
Open > 1
DS 4 Closes
Spin # < 20
DS 4 Closes
Spin # < 23
Open > 1
DS 5 Closes
Spin # < 30
Once this is finalised and we figure out the range of progressions would anyone be interested in making a tracker that suggests:
*What to bet
*How much to bet
*When to enter Watch Mode or move onto the next set
?
Falkor. I read it a few times i still dont understand the system
your not alone ghost
Falkor since its so great can you lay it out. Rules. When to bet. Triggers. That kind of thing
Why is this so hard to do?
if someone posts a system they make it clear on what to do and how to do it
I have to be the one to tell you, your thread attachments are not helping. The last picture you attached looks great but WHAT DOES IT MEAN
Same here.....need a guide or something....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 14, 05:16 PM 2014
Falkor since its so great can you lay it out. Rules. When to bet. Triggers. That kind of thing
Why is this so hard to do?
if someone posts a system they make it clear on what to do and how to do it
I have to be the one to tell you, your thread attachments are not helping. The last picture you attached looks great but WHAT DOES IT MEAN
I think his rules change as system goes on to suit him. Rules are made as the situation comes along.
Falkor,
I respect all the tests you have done! I think its not the interest, but i honestly dont have any idea of what you talking about in some of the testings( how to play it etc.). It could be me so dont worry. Maybe you could give more examples by playing, short video, what exacly the testings mean etc..?
Grtz :thumbsup:
Something needs to be said regarding these types of posts :
Anyone who exhibits attention seeking behavior ("being evasive at all cost") should no longer be taken seriously on this forum.
This is very clear behavior designed to garner personal attention and nothing more.
I think that in the future, members like Falkor should be treated appropriately based on their actions. If they don't want to share the details of a system, they should be ignored-so that we do not provide any more undue energy to people simply seeking attention.
-just my 2 cents
First of all, I introduce myself as this is my first post.
I have been following this forum and others for quite a long time but never actually posted until now. I am not a big fan of roulette (actually prefer baccarat as house edge is quite lower) but I enjoy maths and all related stuff and I like to test systems and ideas. Just as a hobby. Up until now just to confirm everything tanks in the long term regretfully :(
Now, falkor, your tests are interesting and I appreciate your hard work. But I have a few questions.
First and more important of all. Are you testing always with the same set of data (approximately 1000000 spins I assume)?
If this is the case, don't you think all you are doing is curve fitting? You have a fixed set of data and you just look for the rules that maximize your profit.
To make sure your system works (statistically speaking) it has to perform more or less the same with at least 2 different sets of data. Set your rules and once set, try them with two different sets of data. If the system still performs, you got it.
About rules so far, I think more or less I understand what you are doing. Can you confirm the following interpretation is correct?
As a general rule, bet open DS (DS that have had one hit) with mild negative progression.
We are looking for a second hit (on a different number) to close that particular DS. Then we would not consider it as 'betable' anymore.
In a number of occasions, to avoid big drawdowns we would not bet (or we would bet virtually) and this is what you call watch mode. If I understand correctly, for example:
DS 1 Closes
Win Total = 0
Spin # < 8
Open = 3
When DS1 closes before spin #8 and you have 3 DS open (with only one hit each), enter watch mode (no bets) until DS2 closes. Correct?
DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 12
Open > 1
When DS2 closes before spin #12 and more than 1 DS is open, enter watch mode....
Am I right?
Welcome aboard mathguy
I agree with you but it's not so clear about Falkor. I can't spend a few days reading his posts in detail to understand (or maybe not to) what is this all about. Some people still consider this to be useful thread. So...
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 14, 06:26 PM 2014
Something needs to be said regarding these types of posts :
Anyone who exhibits attention seeking behavior ("being evasive at all cost") should no longer be taken seriously on this forum.
This is very clear behavior designed to garner personal attention and nothing more.
I think that in the future, members like Falkor should be treated appropriately based on their actions. If they don't want to share the details of a system, they should be ignored-so that we do not provide any more undue energy to people simply seeking attention.
-just my 2 cents
Falkor. Can you explain and clear it all up. Explain the system. Enough is enough
To understand Falkor you need to be up on your maths,alas not in my case,to many math symbol like v, on its side < >and like a china mans hat ^.
But dont give up when posts like Azims come up,nice and easy to do.
Quote from: mathguy on Dec 14, 07:02 PM 2014
First of all, I introduce myself as this is my first post.
I have been following this forum and others for quite a long time but never actually posted until now. I am not a big fan of roulette (actually prefer baccarat as house edge is quite lower) but I enjoy maths and all related stuff and I like to test systems and ideas. Just as a hobby. Up until now just to confirm everything tanks in the long term regretfully :(
Now, falkor, your tests are interesting and I appreciate your hard work. But I have a few questions.
First and more important of all. Are you testing always with the same set of data (approximately 1000000 spins I assume)?
If this is the case, don't you think all you are doing is curve fitting? You have a fixed set of data and you just look for the rules that maximize your profit.
To make sure your system works (statistically speaking) it has to perform more or less the same with at least 2 different sets of data. Set your rules and once set, try them with two different sets of data. If the system still performs, you got it.
About rules so far, I think more or less I understand what you are doing. Can you confirm the following interpretation is correct?
As a general rule, bet open DS (DS that have had one hit) with mild negative progression.
We are looking for a second hit (on a different number) to close that particular DS. Then we would not consider it as 'betable' anymore.
In a number of occasions, to avoid big drawdowns we would not bet (or we would bet virtually) and this is what you call watch mode. If I understand correctly, for example:
DS 1 Closes
Win Total = 0
Spin # < 8
Open = 3
When DS1 closes before spin #8 and you have 3 DS open (with only one hit each), enter watch mode (no bets) until DS2 closes. Correct?
DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 12
Open > 1
When DS2 closes before spin #12 and more than 1 DS is open, enter watch mode....
Am I right?
Everything tanks? I think you'll find that most systems based on Law of the Third never tank, but they involve *waiting* for certain lengths of time before placing a bet, so bot players can win easily but over millions of spins. And this is proven a few pages back (see attachment: profit.zip)
Here I am using the same 1 million spin data from roulette testing site based on real casino spins, but the actual data for every set changes depending on whether I end set after a win, after entering watch mode, what the rules are, or whether I let a session play till the 5th or the 6th DS closes. I can sometimes get 30,000 sets out of the 1 million spins or 60,000 sets. Each set has different data each time a playing condition is changed, but every set is governed by the Law of the Third. And we re-track every set, so playing a system based on Law of the Third is not the same as repetitively playing spin by spin. If we don't break the bank in the first 30,000 sets then the bank isn't suddenly going to start breaking every 500 sets as you get to 2 billion spins.
Winning is not dependent on number of 1 million spin data sets, say, but how often it breaks the bank compared to profit.
Your interpretation is 100% correct except for after you've entered watch mode: you don't resume betting unless there is a medium-long losing streak (exact rules have not been determined yet) or we figure out another way to take advantage of the situation where one or more DSs have closed particularly fast. For now, watch mode just means end set and move onto the next set because basic play is not quite complete yet until rules and progressions finalised based on the max losing streaks.
To maintain 500 BR:
Betting 3 DSs can tolerate 8 losses
Betting 2 DSs can tolerate 12 losses
Betting 1 DS can tolerate 27 losses
3 x 8 = 24
2 x 12 = 24
1 x 27 = 27
I am currently looking for any wins/losses within any set that goes above 24.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 14, 05:16 PM 2014
Falkor since its so great can you lay it out. Rules. When to bet. Triggers. That kind of thing
Why is this so hard to do?
if someone posts a system they make it clear on what to do and how to do it
I have to be the one to tell you, your thread attachments are not helping. The last picture you attached looks great but WHAT DOES IT MEAN
What parts of the picture do you understand and what parts don't you understand?
Falkor
It seems to me as if your trying to map every permutation on d/s, how many combos are there
There probably is a finite number. I'm only mapping the DSs and changing the rules until the 500 remains unbroken over 60,000 sets. It might then break if we were to extend the number of sets to 100,000, but then if you lost 500 one set yet won 50 units every 10 sets during the course of 99,999, would you be complaining?
Quote from: falkor on Dec 15, 05:35 AM 2014
There probably is a finite number. I'm only mapping the DSs and changing the rules until the 500 remains unbroken over 60,000 sets. It might then break if we were to extend the number of sets to 100,000, but then if you lost 500 one set yet won 50 units every 10 sets during the course of 99,999, would you be complaining?
surely thats like any method as long as your making enough profit when the loss comes you still have enough of the profits left. Think what members are asking is it possible to give the rules to the betting in a Dummies version
The rules are not final yet. I'm working on final tweaks right now, and it takes 4 hours for each of the test results to come through. I can explain the new rules after that, but the basics have already been explained over and over again with diagrams and everything: DS comes in, bet it until it closes then we are finished with it (repeats are bonus wins); bet selection is max 3 DSs based on repeats; if 4+ open then don't bet at all unless one or more has repeated...
answer for a dummy
DS comes in, bet it until it closes then we are finished with it. Great get it
(repeats are bonus wins) thought we'd finished with it
bet selection is max 3 DSs based on repeats;. So only 3ds bet, yep get it
if 4+ open then don't bet at all unless one or more has repeated... get the first bit,the under lined part if one repeats
we're back to betting 3Ds,at the bets when we
stopped betting?
you see need rules explaned for a dummy still not sure on the +4 bit
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 15, 07:29 AM 2014
answer for a dummy
DS comes in, bet it until it closes then we are finished with it. Great get it
(repeats are bonus wins) thought we'd finished with it
bet selection is max 3 DSs based on repeats;. So only 3ds bet, yep get it
if 4+ open then don't bet at all unless one or more has repeated... get the first bit,the under lined part if one repeats
we're back to betting 3Ds,at the bets when we
stopped betting?
you see need rules explaned for a dummy still not sure on the +4 bit
Repeats that happen before the DS closes with a new number!
If 4+ DSs are open then only bet those that have 1 or more repeats. So that begins by betting only 1 DS (the first that's repeated) and you can see exactly how this is played by looking at some attachments about 10 pages prior to this latest page.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 01, 05:43 PM 2014
(link:://s7.postimg.org/jayx8x5wb/Warriors.png)
Thanks Falkor, the sponge is slowly soaking it up, just ran 20 spins and would win 25units,but probabley not done the warrior way
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32
7
9
32
13
13
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31
5
9
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21
29
11
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7
21
32
This is quite an exciting system this one, but to get it right means that the rules will need to be perfected by trial and error. There's 4 factors that affect whether you should attempt the next DS following closure of the previous:
Win Total - the beginning is chaotic so you can miss a DS and not get your first win until DS 4 closes. Even when playing 5 DSs you will miss one if all 6 open up.
Spin # - the sooner it closes the more chance of a losing streak (and vice versa)
Open DSs - how many DSs are open after a close? If there are 3 open then you are more likely to be betting 3,3,3,3 and break the bank
Repeats - this also affects things in combination with the above.
You have to ask yourself: how often can you risk losing 500? Then you need to figure out the right combo of variables above to get the rule correct. So that's what I am currently testing for DS 1 after making everything over-safe. Once DS 1 rule is finalised I can then move onto DS 2.
The opposite to playing this system is waiting for sleeper DSs and betting on more and more of those as they sleep past a certain limit - until one of them wins out of the sleeping pack.
I've got 5 simulations running now on 5 different computers for DS 1 closing at a different spin # to go into watch mode:
<10
<9
<8
<7
<6
For all the sets with bet selection progressions > 24, i.e. long losing streaks, I want to check:
*Number of repeats
*Open DSs
*Win Total
From there I can tweak the DS 1 rules and figure out what the next set of tests will be.
I've now sussed this out after analysing various test results! :xd:
Going into watch mode <10 is more restrictive than going into watch mode when DS 1 closes < 6, hence there are less total wins with <10:
<10 = 9614 total wins for the first 10K sets
< 9 = 9605 total wins for the first 10K sets
< 8 = 9601 total wins for the first 10K sets
< 7 = 9591 total wins for the first 10K sets
< 6 = 9623 total wins for the first 10K sets
< 5 = 10275 total wins for the first 10K sets
< 4 = 11002 total wins for the first 10K sets
The way to figure out the best rule for DS 1 is to just run a SINGLE test: leave out all rules for DS 1 and then note down:
Spin Repeat Open Win Total
A few DS 1 rules can then be formulated based mainly on how many are open, but also on the number of repeats, somewhat:
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page
9 2 4 2 A2
7 0 4 0 A2
For example, looking at the above DS 1 can tolerate an extra 2 spins if there have been 2 repeats for open = 4.
PROBLEM SETS OUT OF 250,000 FOR DS 1 (>24 bet selection progression)
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page (<10)
10 0 4 0 A1
10 0 5 0 B2
12 0 5 0 E1
10 0 5 0 G2
15 5 5 5 G2
13 0 5 0 I2
10 2 4 2 J2
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page (<9)
10 0 4 0 A1
9 3 4 3 A2
10 0 5 0 B2
12 0 5 0 E1
9 0 5 0 E2
9 1 4 1 G2
10 0 5 0 G2
15 5 5 5 G2
13 0 5 0 I2
10 2 4 2 J2
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page (<8)
9 3 4 3 A1
10 0 5 0 B2
12 0 5 0 E1
8 0 4 0 E1
8 0 5 0 E1
9 0 5 0 E2
8 0 4 0 E2
8 2 3 2 F2
8 1 3 1 F2
9 1 4 1 G2
10 0 5 0 G2
14 4 5 4 G2
13 0 5 0 I2
10 2 4 2 J2
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page (<7)
9 3 4 3 A1
7 0 4 0 A2
10 0 5 0 B2
12 0 5 0 E1
8 0 4 0 E1
8 0 5 0 E1
9 0 5 0 E2
8 2 3 2 F2
8 1 3 1 F2
9 1 4 1 G2
7 2 3 2 G2
10 0 5 0 G2
14 4 5 4 G2
7 0 3 0 H2
9 0 5 0 I2
13 0 5 0 I2
8 1 3 1 J1
10 2 4 2 J2
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page (<6)
9 2 4 2 A2
7 0 4 0 A2
10 0 5 0 B2
6 0 3 0 C2
6 0 3 0 D1
12 0 5 0 E1
9 0 5 0 E2
8 2 3 2 F2
8 1 3 1 F2
6 1 3 1 F2
9 1 4 1 G2
7 2 3 2 G2
10 0 5 0 G2
14 4 5 4 G2
6 0 3 0 G2
6 1 3 1 G2
7 0 3 0 H2
8 1 4 1 H2
6 0 3 0 I1
6 0 3 0 I1
6 1 3 1 I2
9 0 5 0 I2
7 0 3 0 J1
8 1 3 1 J1
6 0 3 0 J2
What are the rules in a layman's term?
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page (<5)
5 0 3 0 B1
5 0 3 0 B1
10 0 5 0 B2
6 0 3 0 C2
6 0 3 0 D1
5 0 3 0 D1
12 0 5 0 E1
8 0 4 0 E1
11 0 5 0 F2
6 1 3 1 F2
9 1 4 1 G2
7 2 3 2 G2
7 0 3 0 G2
10 0 5 0 G2
14 4 5 4 G2
6 0 3 0 G2
6 1 3 1 G2
10 0 5 0 H2
7 0 3 0 H2
6 0 3 0 I1
6 0 3 0 I1
9 1 4 1 I1
7 0 3 0 I1
9 0 5 0 I2
8 1 3 1 J1
6 0 3 0 J2
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page (<4)
9 3 4 3 A1
5 0 3 0 B1
5 0 3 0 B1
5 0 3 0 B1
10 0 5 0 B2
4 0 2 1 C1
8 0 3 0 C1
12 0 5 0 E1
8 0 4 0 E1
11 0 5 0 F2
7 1 3 1 F2
7 2 3 2 G2
14 4 5 4 G2
6 0 3 0 G2
6 1 3 1 G2
10 0 5 0 H2
7 0 3 0 H2
6 0 3 0 I1
9 1 4 1 I1
7 0 3 0 I1
9 0 5 0 I2
8 0 4 0 I2
8 1 3 1 J1
5 0 3 0 J1
Spin Repeat Open Win Total Page
9 3 4 3 A1
6 0 3 0 A2
7 0 4 0 A2
4 0 1 0 A2
7 1 3 1 B1
10 0 5 0 B2
8 0 3 0 C1
6 0 3 0 D1
4 0 1 0 E2
8 2 3 2 F2
8 1 3 1 F2
7 2 3 2 G2
14 4 5 4 G2
6 0 3 0 G2
5 0 3 0 G2
5 0 3 0 H2
10 0 5 0 H2
6 0 3 0 I1
3 0 1 0 I1
9 1 4 1 I1
3 1 1 1 I1
7 1 3 1 I1
8 0 4 0 I2
7 0 3 0 J1
5 0 3 0 J1
8 1 3 1 J2
So unless I am mistaken the best rules for DS 1 entering Watch Mode to avoid problem sets - but also to allow the most wins - should be something like this:
Spin < 5, Open = 1 or 2
Spin < 9, Open > 2
Spin < 11, Open > 3
Spin < 16, Open = 5
Repeats don't seem to play much of a part and would be too much to remember if we did include them.
OK that looks perfect re: DS 1!
Now I have DS 2 tests running on 6 computers so that I can gather enough data (one test isn't enough for that), and whilst I wait 4 hours for that I am going to quickly rig up the more simpler Formula CBW system for testing together with their simple progression.
Thanks for all your hard work...
Good luck. (Wish I could understand what you're doing)
Will be interesting to hear about the rouletteCBW too ;)
A.
39 pages of "data" and no system
John Legend rides again???
That CBW loses big time... it's practically like playing an EC, but with Double Streets instead of Red-Black. Warriors is way more promising than that...
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 16, 04:00 PM 2014
39 pages of "data" and no system
John Legend rides again???
Unfortunately, there's still a bit more work to do to tweak it right so that it doesn't break the bank like CBW does. Warriors will turn out to be a truly professional system though - not a simple repetitive losing system disguised as a professional system!
Hi Falkor,
Thx for update re RouletteCBW. I am not too surprised as I kinda expected those sorts of results from that.
But credit & kudos to you for continuing to persist with warrior's idea and searching for ideal playing strategy. :thumbsup:
A.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 16, 04:00 PM 2014
39 pages of "data" and no system
can you imagine that this falkor complained about my one-rule-system "If there´s a crossing - bet that crossing"?
Now he is making rules for every DS. Who told him that any DS is not behaving like the others?
He is making stats, that he denied would work, when I referred to them at my GUT.
Rules and more rules and some rules to tweak the ruled rules. I think he´s got lost.
is Warrior band or on vacation
Quote from: winkel on Dec 17, 03:00 PM 2014
Rules and more rules and some rules to tweak the ruled rules. I think he´s got lost.
Warrior did the initial talking and since he got banned the stats have been doing the talking instead, and there's now a clearer path than ever towards victory over the game of roulette. Short-term I have to finish the rules for DS 2-4 as derived from the stats instead of my least accurate trial and error approach - and the DS1 stats had no ambiguity whatsoever - the rules are clear. And this is to maintain a 500 BR with a lifetime guarantee, but to let through a maximum number of wins before choosing to enter watch mode when continued play risks breaking the bank. We are looking at about 4 rules for each of the 4 DS closure check-points, but those 4 rules can simplified down to 3 or 2 if there is too much to remember (the last 2 DSs need least manual intervention). Besides that we just need to understand and memorise the progressions - maybe not perfectly but with a not-so-strict approach: we bet 1 unit then 2 then 3, and if 3 DSs continue to remain open (or we have just closed the 4th DS so are betting 3 DSs) then we know we must double up, so that's easy to adapt to. Once these basic rules and progressions are mastered we can start playing immediately - sooner if using a tracker and online. I reckon 2 weeks max from now.
Long term there is many tricks we can learn: when to start a new progression at a much higher value since we can learn that after certain DSs close following a long gap with a win, the next DS will be due much quicker; repeats also can benefit us and more research is needed there; finally, when entering watch mode - particularly after several DSs have closed too quickly - means that the opening cycle of the Law of the Third has fluctuated significantly, so we can guarantee it will take a sharp turn back towards the mean; so this might be the point where we change to betting DSs or numbers that are due to repeat. Over time we will not only beat the casino, but we can be a master over chaos itself.
Winkel, you GUT is about single numbers? Makes much more sense. Double street is easy to bet, but easier to fail as well. If a table layout was good for winning with it, it would not be created.
Falkor,
I am impressed by all your efforts so far.
You keep going despite all the critics.
For me personally I am still looking forward to this.
I will reserve my judgement for when I have played Roulette with it and seeing the results.
Keep up the good work Falkor!
Thanks for the support guys! I can tell warrior found something special even though CBW failed to tap into it... check out this set I just came across whilst in testing for DS 2 rules:
11 Wins!
Unfortunately, one of the last wins totalled 27, and that might be just over the limit (24 = 500 BR) for a poor fellow like me! But if you have more than 500 to spare then this set could have been played in full...
There was plenty of data just from the first test that removed DS 2 rules completely - so there was no need for 7 computers! >:D
Spin Open Page
17 4 C1
17 4 E1
15 3 A2
15 3 C1
15 3 C2
15 3 C2
15 3 D2
15 3 F1
15 3 H2
15 4 I1
14 3 C1
14 4 C2
14 3 E2
14 4 G1
14 3 H2
13 4 A2
13 4 E2
13 3 E2
13 3 G1
13 4 J1
12 4 A1
12 3 A2
12 4 C1
12 3 D1
12 3 E1
12 3 F1
12 3 I1
11 3 A1
11 3 B1
11 3 B1
11 3 B2
11 3 C1
11 2 D1
11 3 I1
11 3 I2
11 3 I2
10 4 A1
10 3 A1
10 3 A2
10 3 C1
10 3 C2
10 3 E1
10 2 F2
10 3 F2
10 3 H1
10 3 H1
10 3 H2
10 3 I1
10 3 I1
9 3 A2
9 3 D1
9 3 D2
9 3 D2
9 3 D2
9 3 E1
9 3 E1
9 3 E2
9 3 F1
9 3 F2
9 3 G1
9 3 H1
9 3 H1
9 3 I1
9 3 J1
9 3 J2
8 3 A1
8 2 B1
8 3 B1
8 3 B2
8 3 B2
8 3 B2
8 3 D2
8 3 F2
8 3 G1
8 3 G2
8 3 G2
8 2 H1
8 2 H2
8 3 H2
7 1 A2
7 1 B2
7 0 E2
7 3 G1
7 2 G2
7 3 H1
7 2 H2
7 1 H2
6 2 A1
6 2 D1
6 1 E1
6 1 H2
6 1 J1
6 2 J2
5 0 A1
5 0 E2
5 0 G1
5 1 I1
4 0 D1
4 0 H1
So DS 2 rules at their most advanced for entering watch mode (or moving onto the next set) should be:
Spin # < 18
Open > 2
Spin # < 12
Open > 1
Spin # < 8
Open > 0
Spin # = 4
Open = 0
I've also had to add one extra rule for DS 1 because there wasn't enough data to reveal it before:
Spin # = 2
Open = 0
So if you win on the first available betting opportunity (spin # 2) and pocket 5 units - don't think about continuing! You will win more than you will lose, but you risk breaking the bank during your lifetime (even though you still profit overall we don't want that to happen - NEVER! >:D)
And don't forget: testing was over 170,000 sets or 1 million spins!
Falkor,
I wish you good luck even though i personally don't believe in this. But i wish you to achieve your goal. I hope your hard work won't be in vain.
Thanks!
This is bizarre... I thought that adding more rules would mean less wins in total - BUT THE WINS ARE INCREASING! This is happening through shorter fine-tuned sets.
WHAT'S HAPPENED TO ALL THE LOSING SETS!? I only count 5 losses on this one page alone with 21 wins: >:D :xd: :lol:
80% win rate playing 3 DSs without breaking a bank of 500 units? :love:
This page only shows 4 losing sets.....
80 percent win rate is good. What is the strategy lol. I work all day and dont have the time you do. i wish i did. Hopefully you post how you play
This page only shows 2 losses and 25 wins... WTF!?
That's a 93% win rate!
This page only has ONE SINGLE LOSS with 28 wins! :o
Whats the rules and strategy for this hit rate
The casino isn't ready for this... I will destroy them!!!!
He was banned by me for a few days for bad behaviour, and Steve decided to ban him for good.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 17, 10:41 PM 2014
May I ask why Is Worrior banned?
Azim!
This is not just about creating this thread, and if you want you can discuss those things with Steve. I told you exactly what I told you. I banned him for bad behaviour as personal attacks, calling names and stirring troubles, and after first short ban coming under newly created different nicks to go on. So i extended his ban to a few more days.
And why Steve decided to ban him permanently you can ask him personally. I don't know why you make such conclusions that he was banned just because creating this thread. This thread (and leading people on) was just a part of a reason why he was banned.
You are a free man, Azim. If you don't want to participate in the forum you can choose so. But to tell you the truth i am quite surprised why you jump to those conclusions and wanna leave. But it is your choice. You are welcome to stay or you may leave as you desire.
I personally would prefer that you stay.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 18, 12:16 AM 2014
I personally can see what Warrior was looking at.
I never saw it. Can you articulate what that was? falkor has been doing some research on one of three ways to bet Hermes' 6x6 Double Street system which Warrior was interested in 4.5 years ago. At the beginning of this thread Warrior pointed to it as a place to begin research, but would not reveal what modifications made him think that what he now has beats the wheel, citing 10 years of effort to gain it. It may well turn out that some variation of Hermes' 6x6 Double Street system beats the wheel, but so far, we have falkor to thank for publishing what any of those variations might be, based on statistics, after a LOT of effort.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 18, 02:14 AM 2014
Steve and Iggiv
I personally respect you 2. However, we all have asked for rules on this. All this thread is really doing is drawing attention it doesn't deserve.
That was true initially. Since then, the name has been changed and it has been a place where mostly falkor has deposited research. The research is very interesting.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 18, 02:14 AM 2014
My recent post even said, I am not going to take credit for something someone else came up with.
However this thread has a few red flags that need to be raised.
It should be noted that the idea being explored here was posited by Hermes (Hermes' 6x6 Double Street) a long time ago, was revisited by Warrior 4.5 years ago and again in this thread. Somehow it became "Warrior's 222" system or something like that; but without any rules. Since then, falkor has tested some rules that he came up with himself.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 18, 02:14 AM 2014
People have their own way of testing. I can assure you, this system / method as Winkel said will not work no matter what you do.
If there are no rules, as you say, how do you know it won't work? What won't work?
Quote from: Azim on Dec 18, 02:14 AM 2014
What's happening here is a bunch of number's have been put together and are getting tuned to make the 1million numbers make money. At the end of the day someone is going to get scammed on this.
The concept of curve fitting has already come up and has been addressed. I am satisfied that the testing is being done sufficiently scientifically given the pace that tests are being conducted. One can only be scammed if the testing has been completely fraudulent, which i doubt.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 18, 02:14 AM 2014
I think I have asked twice and Iggiv has asked for rules.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO RULES POSTED BUT FOLLOW GUT THEORY AND LAW OF THIRD. THIS THREAD WILL THROW GUT OUT AS ONE OF THE BEST SYSTEMS INVENTED OR FOUND.
in the absence of rules, falkor came up with some, and started testing. The rules have changed as statistical data has rolled in. Rules have been posted, reposted, modified, remodified and reposted. Whatever rules there may be, they are not at the beginning of the thread, and have evolved. You have to go back a few pages to see the latest set of rules for a BR of <500.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 18, 02:14 AM 2014What I am after is that a good theory is going to be bashed at the end of the day by 2 individuals who have no idea as to what they are doing.
You mean Steve and iggiv? First, iggiv is protecting the development of statistics here. And we were NEVER going to get any rules from Warrior in the first place. What Warrior suggested were not rules, but a place to start thinking about roulette differently, and what was suggested was not claimed to be the winning formula, which Warrior was reserving to himself. How to start thinking of roulette differently? Bet on each DS as it shows, and stop betting on it when it shows again. Pocket the repeats. That's it. And that's basically what Hermes contributed over 4.5 years ago. Everything beyond that has been contributed by falkor, unless somebody else said something and i missed it.
Falkor,
Those pages are looking great!
falkor...is your final system playable in a live casino or does it need extensive tracking?
I dont understand how someone could spend so much time putting together graphics and in depth posts but at the same time not take a fraction of that time and lay out what he is doing so we can put it together.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 18, 06:35 AM 2014
I dont understand how someone could spend so much time putting together graphics and in depth posts but at the same time not take a fraction of that time and lay out what he is doing so we can put it together.
Because this is not a system at all, but simply a way to get attention (see John Legend)
Here is the formula :1-Post a theory that is just simple enough for readers to understand, but complicated enough to warrant many questions (any regular member could do this in their sleep)
2-Post data "backing up the theory"
3-Refuse to answer questions - implying that you have spent too much time to give out such valuable info for free, or that members are not asking intelligence questions (or just ignore them)
4-At each and every opportunity, post that you are "so close to a HG" or "just found out a new angle" or "just went beyond the established bankroll" etc (carrot on a stick routine)
-Repeat #2-3-4 (for 40+ pages if necessary)
This type of con-artistry will continue to ruin the boards until a moderator steps in to create rules prohibiting such behavior.
Falkor is a smart man. Maybe he has a mental block on posting the gameplay strategy
Sorry thelaw but I really don't agree with you here.
It's your opinion but I don't see it the same way as you do.
The way I see it is that Falkor is doing some great work for all of us.
Yesterday Falkor said it himself that it would take around 2 weeks before everything is tested and we are out of the testing phase. Then we can all get some clear rules on how to do this because then everything has been tested thoroughly and then we can all start playing.
Extensive testing takes time and effort.
The way I see it is that Falkor is still moving things forward and we just have to wait for all the testing to be done.
I never bashed winkel per se, but simply exposed his contradictions and evil exploits, which is far more abusive than any bashing or name calling. Most peeps can't see what winkel was doing in that GUT thread, but I can: he got people to post their data and then changed the rules each time so that the set won, and then blamed the member for not following the rules correctly, thereby belittling him/her in the process.
I am one of the few good guys and truly honest men you will meet. I have not deceived anyone in this thread, but I cannot keep explaining the basics every page, though they have been explained plenty of times throughout the topic - even before I joined it. I'm now attempting to close 6 DSs instead of the original 4/5. I don't bet at all when 4+ opens unless one of them has repeated, but CBW and warrior may have carried on betting 3 DSs. Apart from that I have been working on a set of rules for when to end set or "enter watch mode" (as I call it) at the check-points where the first 4 DSs close - regardless of whether there has been a win up until that point; the diagram I posted twice shows the chaotic stage where a DS can close, but we may not hit them.
Cheers for the support and constructive criticism - it's all welcome! :thumbsup:
Thanks to Still for tracing the history of this system back to Hermes prior to warrior's insights! I'm very interested in anything to do with this idea/concept, which is why I wasted money on CBW.
QuoteWhat Warrior suggested were not rules, but a place to start thinking about roulette differently, and what was suggested was not claimed to be the winning formula, which Warrior was reserving to himself. How to start thinking of roulette differently? Bet on each DS as it shows, and stop betting on it when it shows again. Pocket the repeats. That's it. And that's basically what Hermes contributed over 4.5 years ago. Everything beyond that has been contributed by falkor, unless somebody else said something and i missed it.
Well said - that sums it up nicely!
i do also think, then when all tests are done and falkor sets the rules, his system is far beyond warriors and we have to choose an new name :thumbsup:
and i want to test it with my killer perms from duisburg casino. every posted system before cant stand these perms.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 18, 09:10 AM 2014
and i want to test it with my killer perms from duisburg casino. every posted system before cant stand these perms.
RFMAXX, do you have these perms in a file. I think a lot of us would be interested in testing our strategies against those spins.
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 18, 09:10 AM 2014
i do also think, then when all tests are done and falkor sets the rules, his system is far beyond warriors and we have to choose an new name :thumbsup:
That's what I'm thinking too.
I do like the way this idea/system is evolving. It's now more simple and precise, and less about remembering progressions and when to enter watch mode, but more about knowing when to "buffer" in the next open DS for continued play of a set beyond 1 or 2 wins. The science of chaos is really starting to reveal itself in the latest test results - my predictions were totally wrong, and it's about letting the data speak for itself without becoming deluded. Hermes quotes the New World Order as order out of chaos. Whatever happened to that guy anyway? (no activity since 2012)
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 18, 09:10 AM 2014
i do also think, then when all tests are done and falkor sets the rules,
But he is not testing at all. He got spins and forms out of them statistics and believes they will hold for ever and eternity? He doesn´t know that much about roulette, to know that this is only referring to the past and you can´t built rules out of that past.
Look at that nice post he did: 8 open lines hit 32 times. Of course thats a lot. But the other four have had hit 21 times. Does that make any sense? NO! it is the known hitrate of 24 numbers against the odds of 12 numbers.
That ds2 has closed after spin 7 and than followed something impressive is nice but not worth a dime.
He doesn´t accept the GUT-Rule: Watch what is going on. He doesnt see that if I got 2 Double-Streets hitting back to back 8 times in 37 spins is something different to them hitting every 4th or 5th spins. It is both a hitrate of 8 out of 37.
And how can he say that these 8 backtoback won´t hit again?
Does he has any idea of that statistic telling only
15 numbers in 37 spins and
32 numbers in 37 spins?
How could this be combined and fitted to a set of rules? Not talking about the mess that could happen in between those variances.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 18, 09:35 AM 2014
I do like the way this idea/system is evolving.
I think it is revolving
It's now more simple and precise, and less about remembering progressions and when to enter watch mode, but more about knowing when to "buffer" in the next open DS for continued play of a set beyond 1 or 2 wins.
here we are at the beginning: "I know which DS hits next" :o All that testing and bookmaking for the bin? What a shame
The science of chaos Is thee such a sciences? is really starting to reveal itself that means chaos is chaotic? in the latest test results - my predictions were totally wrong he´s got it at last, and it's about letting the data speak for itself without becoming deluded. Hermes quotes the New World Order as order out of chaos. Whatever happened to that guy anyway? (no activity since 2012)
Never read such a brilliant confused thread. >:D
Not since your challenge - since the latest (surprising) test results.
I'm not sure how I would go about communicating my tests to you? They are based on the basic rules discussed in this topic (DSs that open, close, repeat) with the additional rules I mentioned on the previous page re: when to end set based on a DS closing. I can send you the 1 million spins I use from the roulette training site; that's no problem. You could easily code the same thing as what I did given the latest rules. But all this testing is pretty much coming to an end now. I just have DS 3 and DS 4 rules to implement then we need to learn a few progressions. So about another 2 weeks max, say, New Years Day...
there was a poll already...the majority wanted this thread open.
please all calm down and let falkor do his research.
he dont want to sell us sth and he did all tests by himself.
no one lost money or time...only falkor.
so let us wait till he finished his research. i want so see what he finds out.
You an agent or something? You've still got till New Years Day to win a bit more from casinos before I announce this system as complete and chart 1 million spins. I know you would like this topic deleted, but others deserve opportunities to win too. You need to divvy up the dollar and stop being greedy! :)
i do sometimes think the same:
they see the potential in this system and dont want that members from this forum spread it in the world
and steal their casino money :)
;D
QuoteTHIS EVEN IF YOU COME UP WITH RULES WILL NOT STAND THE FIRST 1000 SPINS.
Will you promise to eat glass if it does pass?
Great, we can shake hands on that then! :thumbsup: You can suggest an equal punishment for me if it loses...
Yes - I think it worth waiting a little longer for the final edition (or should that be first edition?) of the 'complete system', whatever it turns out to be named.
I am sure the progressions falkor talked about will be figured out pretty quickly too soon afterwards when the system mechanics are firmly established.
I, like others, are anxiously looking forward to and awaiting a proper and full explanation + rules of play, preferably with some real play examples of charting and betting included so as to avoid confusion and misunderstandings creeping in during testing.
Regards,
A.
bye
Azim, what is your understanding of the rules so far?
How do we start off playing? That would be a good place to begin... :twisted:
A.
Azim....
Quit with the shouty upper case typing and demands.
If you want to leave then leave but do it quietly.
Falkor
I dont see a reason to keep mentioning what you think of Winkel or GUT. Keep it to yourself.
Now.. sort some method out with rules that folks can understand. People like Atlantis and others still seem interested but are growing bored. Im very bored with this post.
Azim, i hear you but unfortunately i can't go against the will of others here and delete the thread. Quite a few people will be upset.
Azim, I can't reiterate all the rules now just for the benefit of those who haven't been following the topic, but I will promise to document it in full (perhaps start a new website) after system completion on New Year's Day - how does that sound?
The controversy is the fact that falkor posts in depth details and analysis of things with no explanation of what he is doing exactly.
There isn't a great deal of data coming through for DS 3 because most of the bank breaking sets that can occur during 270,000 games have already been eliminated at the DS 1 and DS 2 check points.
The rules are a little complex at the moment, though they could be simplified given more data or more simpler groupings. And there's a less than 1% chance of encountering one of these sets anyhow. I'll leave it how it is for now until after New Years Day when we can look at simplifying and see how it affects the profits.
Spin # < 22
Open = 3
Spin # < 17
Open = 1,2 or 3
Spin # = 11
Open = 0 or 1
Spin # < 10
Open = 0
That should leave less than only a handful of problem sets for DS 4 or DS 5 (to be eliminated next test). I might also generate 1 mil from random.org just for peace of mind.
:thumbsup:
great. than you can post the system as a christmas gift :)
Falkor, simple question. How long time do you need to publish your rules? Can we make it this way? You make some people very angry.
It's not good for the forum. I have a dilemma here. If i delete this thread i will make some people angry. If i leave it like this others will be angry.
Now let's make some compromise to keep peace here. How long time do you need to publish your results? Can you see that this thread so far is moving nowhere? You just publish your numbers, does not make sense.
Will be completed New Year's Day! :thumbsup:
Quote from: falkor on Dec 18, 12:39 PM 2014
Will be completed New Year's Day! :thumbsup:
cant wait. great :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
OK. So let's take it as a promise. Fail or win, you will publish your rules by the New Year. Oki-doki man?
Quote from: falkor on Dec 18, 12:39 PM 2014
Will be completed New Year's Day! :thumbsup:
wiggy the eternal optomist can't wait till new years day.
wiggy the realist knows that if Falkor finds a winning bet, he will never publish it. (it would be madness)
I better not say what wiggy the conspiracy theorist thinks to preserve the peace. >:D
I need a drink!!
I can't believe how seriously some people take this whole thing.... No one have been forced to click on this thread, read it, or write a comment. It's like a bunch of children getting upset and whiny, because they don't get the promised free candy.
I personally did not spend more than 20 minutes in this thread since it started. I just click on it every once in a while, to see if there are any test results, and that's it. No need to cry, just let him do his tests, and wait patiently.
Oki-doki! :thumbsup: I want the system ready for play more than you guys! ;)
Looking forward to New Years Day :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
It's going to be a great day for us all 8)
Iggiv the realist thinks that there it is gonna be just like anything else. Gonna tank with time. But iggiv the mod wants to keep everyone calm and happy in the forum. So iggiv the mod doesn't give a crap what iggiv the realist is thinking ;D
iggiv the good guy does not care about iggiv the realist and iggiv the mod and just sends everyone New Year, Christmass and holiday greetings and wishes...
And then from the beginning it is like rock-paper-scissors
I'm more looking forward to this the day before:
(link:s://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2_2B0yIcAAEIV3.jpg:large)
if you don't publish the rules you will be served as FalkMcRib in this forum >:D
Bottom line ?
Just a joke man, Falkor posts data will no rules & answers questions to ppl HE decides he should reply to. That's just plain rude.
Could it work ? Yes... Will it ? I doubt we will ever know.......
I feel the Emperor is wearing NO clothes....
O0
Insert Falkor JPG of successful winning bets with no betting information here. You know its coming.
He posted a step by step recipe to normy so you know he can lay it out for this to.
Im sorry, but moderators it is not healthy for this forum for him to put together these spreadsheets and images with no explanation of what is going on. How is that productive?
In America we say STOP BLOWN SMOKE UP MY ASS
Falkor seems like a great guy i just dont understand what he is thinking posting these graphics without explaining. So from now until new years day we will all be flooded with posts like this : "25 wins 1 Loss see image attached" come on give me a break
While I'm thinking about this.....
Who says "My testing will be complete by New Years Day" ?
I simply must agree with "The Law"
It may or may not be John Legend, but it sure smells like him......
O0
@ Ddarko - Are u saying that Falkor and John Legend may be the same lol .......??
Just link Grampa and Priyanka was the same....??
Why should anyone believe Falkor given his behavior through this thread?
How is this behavior not "Trolling"?
If he provided an excellent system on January 1st - why should anyone believe him?
This is a much larger question for the forum as a whole - what behavior warrants a breach of trust?
HI Chris
do you have probs with Granpaa way
@Nottophammer - No I have no problem with Grampaa way; Was just quering
as the rumour is that Grampaa and Priyanka is the same person.....; At the end
it is not always easy to know who is who....??
Quote from: Chris555p on Dec 18, 07:28 PM 2014
@ Ddarko - Are u saying that Falkor and John Legend may be the same lol .......??
Just link Grampa and Priyanka was the same....??
I have No idea Chris, but some characteristics remain the same....
O0
yes Chris i see that quote
@Ddarko - Yes I see what u mean
@Nottophammer - Glad u saw it.
This is using Random.org data... this page has 43 wins vs. 3 losses. However, I still believe it may be possible to recover those 3 losses - perhaps by switching to the closed DSs - or by just remaining in watch mode and looking for a desirable event to occur.
Besides that the system mechanics are looking very clean - nothing in both sets of data are breaking the bank of 500 even once!
Looking forward to the rules/strategy.......
Quote from: falkor on Dec 19, 09:42 AM 2014
This is using Random.org data... this page has 43 wins vs. 3 losses. However, I still believe it may be possible to recover those 3 losses - perhaps by switching to the closed DSs - or by just remaining in watch mode and looking for a desirable event to occur.
Besides that the system mechanics are looking very clean - nothing in both sets of data are breaking the bank of 500 even once!
I don't understand the table you showed.
Falkor - Just to be clear: r u saying that those 3 losses would have wiped out the bankroll? or that the bankroll can handle the three losses encountered?
A.
They just lose 9 units each
0 1 2 3 0 lose means that the first spin is the observation spin (which DS opens first), 1 means there is 1 open DS, 2 means 2 open DSs, 3 means open DSs. It then goes back to zero because when we lost 3 DSs it meant that 4 had opened. We don't bet at all on 4+ open, and then 1 of the DSs closed at spin 5 with 3 open, so we end set there (or go into watch mode).
The progression is 1,1,2
1 DS x 1 = 1
2 DS x 1 = 2
3 DS x 2 = 6
Total units lost = 9
I see. Thanks. :)
A.
Any updates on this?
I'm sure it wins more than it loses, but I'm finding it too difficult to code the progressions. Does anyone know a formula that can dictate how many units to wager based on 1,2 or 3 simultaneous DSs and the BR?
So if:
BR = -65
Open = 3
Then how many units to bet on each DS? It would be an equation of inequality, but we should be able to round up the result to give an integer for betting.
The other method I have for coding it is too tedious to complete by New Years Day.
I thought you were going to make us all millionaires Falkor lol Oh well !
I've done my own limited testing on this and it may be slightly different to what falkor is doing but hopefully the data will be explained in a more helpful way as I find it very difficult to decipher some of falkor's tests and I simply don't have the time or energy to wade through it all ( no disrespect to you Falkor as I can see the effort you have put into this )
I've only managed a few thousand spins so far by my pen and paper method , I know it's not enough for the million + spins guys but it gives me an idea of what to look for. ( live spins )
I'm looking for a second hit on a double street to close that street regardless of whether its a repeat number or not, so 2nd hit and it is closed.
I wait for the first double street to hit and then look at the intervals between each of the remaining 5 unclosed double streets to close ( get a second hit )
In all my tests so far there is always at least 1 double street that closes within 3 spins of the last double street to close, in most cases there is always 1 double street that closes within 2 spins of a double street closing but those few that go to a third spin can be the killers ( or not ) to the system.
It is too difficult in my opinion to calculate when we will get the 2/3 spin interval between double streets closing , certainly a long interval lets say between double streets 3 and 4 closing does lead to a small advantage that DS 5 may have our target 2/3 spin interval but this is not always the case , so the alternative may be to just attack the open double streets ( and any that subsequently open ) for our 2/3 spin target only,after each double street closes. This will involve a progression as remember the 2/3 spin target interval could be between double street 5 and 6 closing by which time the sums involved could be big.
These are an example of intervals for the six double streets to close :-
DS1 5
DS2 5
DS3 4
DS4 1
DS5 19
DS6 x ( did not close in my 37 spin session )
So in the above we would have to wait until DS4 closes to hit our target. Each attack after a double street closes will have a differing amount of open double streets to bet on,so as falkor stated in his last post we need a progression calculator or a very quick maths mind to calculate bets as we go along.
I'm not sure after all this work that this system is for me in this format. I have also looked at trying to capture repeat numbers as part of the second hit of a double street and was having some success until the variance caught up and also trying to cross reference attacks with sweet spots for a certain double street to hit as I mentioned in the early part of the thread. An example being the 4th double street to close, I would be looking at spins 13 - 17 as a sweet spot. Needs more work as usual.
Would love to hear other people's opinions on this, I hope it generates more ideas.
Apologies if this steps on your toes falkor , just throwing out some work I've done on the subject even if it's already what you've covered.
Merry Christmas to all.
Falkors perception of warriors system performs very well going by falkors attachments
Looking forward to reading falkors system.
All ideas/variations are in need of extended discussions from as wide an audience as possible, hence this topic, which I never intended to hijack. The main thing is the progressions calculator, otherwise I think there is too much to remember.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 07:11 AM 2014
Falkors perception of warriors system performs very well going by falkors attachments
Looking forward to reading falkors system.
How do we know what Warrior's system is ? I have never seen it fully explained anywhere.
Quote from: falkor on Dec 23, 05:29 AM 2014
I'm sure it wins more than it loses, but I'm finding it too difficult to code the progressions. Does anyone know a formula that can dictate how many units to wager based on 1,2 or 3 simultaneous DSs and the BR?
So if:
BR = -65
Open = 3
Then how many units to bet on each DS? It would be an equation of inequality, but we should be able to round up the result to give an integer for betting.
The other method I have for coding it is too tedious to complete by New Years Day.
I hope I understood your request correctly. If I did, it's quite simple.
First of let's define some things:
DD - Draw down from the previous highest bankroll ( I assume this is the -65 you speak of)
NB - Number of streets to bet - in this case it's 3
X - The amount to bet in each street.
The formula is this:
6*X - DD - NB*X >=1
Solving to X, we will get:
6*X - DD - NB*X >=1 <==>
X(6-NB)>=1+DD <==>
X >= (1+DD)/(6-NB)
In this particular case, we have: X>= (1+65)/(6-3) <==> X >=22
So we would bet 22 in each street, to come up with a profit of 1 if we have a hit in one of our 3 streets. Hope I understood your problem correctly and to have been clear. If not, just ask.
Ok thanks! Do you round up or round down for non-integer results?
I'll give it a try!
Quote from: falkor on Dec 23, 09:33 AM 2014
Ok thanks! Do you round up or round down for non-integer results?
I'll give it a try!
No problem, hope it helps. Just round it up, if you want to win at least 1 unit everytime.