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Is iggiv right with his premise - should action be taken with this topic?

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I voted for remain open. But I still think the threads title is missleading and that could be changed. RX is a programming tool and no programmer will program a system wich does not yet have well defined rules and conditions.

I have also voted for the topic to remain open.

Quote from: falkor on Nov 28, 05:31 AM 2014
Is iggiv right with his premise - should action be taken with this topic?

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Hi falkor,

  I'm writing this because i have a lot of respect for the work you've done putting together a lot of data. We need this kind of data.  I wish more people would be that thorough.  But in the past few hours i have decided it would be better in the humor section.  There are just too many red flags flying around and i feel as though warrior has managed to get people like you to do a lot of heavy lifting that he is unable to do; after all, he still works with pen and paper. And the reason i think he is getting people like you to do heavy lifting is because he does not actually know what works.  Before making this decision i have researched warriors posting history from the earliest to the latest.  As recently as October he has stated three times that no roulette system wins.  He said this system is sort of like Hermes 6x6, so i read that entire thread that he started in this forum. As far as i can tell, Warrior is still trying to figure out a way to make that (or variations of that) work, and needs more people to test more bets selections and more money management schemes.  I believe that after years of research, Warrior is frustrated and is ready to say good-bye, but before he goes, would like to see how much free research he can pull, sourcing the crowd to devote it's thinking powers to the one last idea that he (Warrior) believes will actually work, but of which he is not sure.  To motivate the crowd he has bluffed, and it appears iggiv has called his bluff.   

I could help settle this by meeting Warrior in one of the three casinos that are 25 minutes from his house in lower British Columbia. I live just across the border, probably not more than an hour drive away (I'm 1.5 hours from Vancouver, BC).  I would be happy to watch him lay money on the table and report back to this forum what numbers came up, what he bet, when he bet, and what the results were. 

In 25 pages, we have only one or two win-loss registries from him. That really contradicts the claim that he is actually teaching something.  We also found out he has three different ways of laying bets on the table, only one of which we have even an ounce of information about, and what we know about it it does not match the way he recommended others to start betting on this idea.  He has said that several methods could work, if folks could just understand the original concept, the law of thirds, and how that works out in 37 spins.  But instead of explaining it clearly, he has used riddles.   So, in regards the most important aspect of this thread, the idea...instead we have riddles.  We have riddles and selective silence.  I got into this thread with a list of questions, all of which were ignored, even though his first post says all questions welcome. 

There was another warrior who used riddles.  His name was Sampson, an Israeli warrior of biblical lore.  Well, Sampson didn't really know much except how to start a war, and it all began with riddles.  In their effort to solve his riddles, the Palestinians resorted to espionage and things went from bad to worse.  We are supposed to think Sampson was a hero, but as far as i can tell, his stupid riddles were the beginnings of a 20 years war between Israel and the Palestinians.

Sampson's riddle?  "From the eater, something to eat".  Kind of reminds me of "bring the end to the beginning", or "wear the underwear backwards".  By the way, Sampson was bluffing.  He did not have the 12 sets of clothes he bet that no one could solve the riddle.  So when they solved the riddle, he killed 12 Palestinians and stole their clothes to pay the bet.   Things went downhill from there, since no one in those days had much of a sense of humor. 

If Warrior has something, he needs to come clean soon with more than just riddles.  Win-Loss registry examples would be a good start, to demonstrate how HE has decided to bet on his idea involving the law of thirds...so that WE can better understand the actual idea.  THEN, maybe we can come up with our own variation, if we think it can be done better. 

Dear falkor, i recommend that you use your considerable coding skills to gather data only on the three methods of betting that Warrior says he uses.  THEN, if it seems promising, i'm sure your data will find even better ways, IF there are better ways.  It's time you got paid for your work with more than just "ata boy, keep working, you'll get it". 

Here are Warrior's own words from early in his posting history:

"no dis respect  but if some one wants to protect a method why post it in the first place just keep it to your self,second by posting half of a method is misleading and not good for new members that don't know anything about roulette, this is only a way to start arguments as aposed to debaiting roulette and asking question to learn more anyways.

Take care
warrior. "

Still

Quote from: Still on Nov 28, 07:01 AM 2014
Hi falkor,

  I'm writing this because i have a lot of respect for the work you've done putting together a lot of data. We need this kind of data.  I wish more people would be that thorough.  But in the past few hours i have decided it would be better in the humor section.  There are just too many red flags flying around and i feel as though warrior has managed to get people like you to do a lot of heavy lifting that he is unable to do; after all, he still works with pen and paper. And the reason i think he is getting people like you to do heavy lifting is because he does not actually know what works.  Before making this decision i have researched warriors posting history from the earliest to the latest.  As recently as October he has stated three times that no roulette system wins.  He said this system is sort of like Hermes 6x6, so i read that entire thread that he started in this forum. As far as i can tell, Warrior is still trying to figure out a way to make that (or variations of that) work, and needs more people to test more bets selections and more money management schemes.  I believe that after years of research, Warrior is frustrated and is ready to say good-bye, but before he goes, would like to see how much free research he can pull, sourcing the crowd to devote it's thinking powers to the one last idea that he (Warrior) believes will actually work, but of which he is not sure.  To motivate the crowd he has bluffed, and it appears iggiv has called his bluff.   

I could help settle this by meeting Warrior in one of the three casinos that are 25 minutes from his house in lower British Columbia. I live just across the border, probably not more than an hour drive away (I'm 1.5 hours from Vancouver, BC).  I would be happy to watch him lay money on the table and report back to this forum what numbers came up, what he bet, when he bet, and what the results were. 

In 25 pages, we have only one or two win-loss registries from him. That really contradicts the claim that he is actually teaching something.  We also found out he has three different ways of laying bets on the table, only one of which we have even an ounce of information about, and what we know about it it does not match the way he recommended others to start betting on this idea.  He has said that several methods could work, if folks could just understand the original concept, the law of thirds, and how that works out in 37 spins.  But instead of explaining it clearly, he has used riddles.   So, in regards the most important aspect of this thread, the idea...instead we have riddles.  We have riddles and selective silence.  I got into this thread with a list of questions, all of which were ignored, even though his first post says all questions welcome. 

There was another warrior who used riddles.  His name was Sampson, an Israeli warrior of biblical lore.  Well, Sampson didn't really know much except how to start a war, and it all began with riddles.  In their effort to solve his riddles, the Palestinians resorted to espionage and things went from bad to worse.  We are supposed to think Sampson was a hero, but as far as i can tell, his stupid riddles were the beginnings of a 20 years war between Israel and the Palestinians.

Sampson's riddle?  "From the eater, something to eat".  Kind of reminds me of "bring the end to the beginning", or "wear the underwear backwards".  By the way, Sampson was bluffing.  He did not have the 12 sets of clothes he bet that no one could solve the riddle.  So when they solved the riddle, he killed 12 Palestinians and stole their clothes to pay the bet.   Things went downhill from there, since no one in those days had much of a sense of humor. 

If Warrior has something, he needs to come clean soon with more than just riddles.  Win-Loss registry examples would be a good start, to demonstrate how HE has decided to bet on his idea involving the law of thirds...so that WE can better understand the actual idea.  THEN, maybe we can come up with our own variation, if we think it can be done better. 

Dear falkor, i recommend that you use your considerable coding skills to gather data only on the three methods of betting that Warrior says he uses.  THEN, if it seems promising, i'm sure your data will find even better ways, IF there are better ways.  It's time you got paid for your work with more than just "ata boy, keep working, you'll get it".   

Still

Think that sums it up, nicely put Still.

Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 28, 07:11 AM 2014
Think that sums it up, nicely put Still.

Thanks,

I edited the post above to include some of Warrior's own words from early in his posting history:

"no dis respect  but if some one wants to protect a method why post it in the first place just keep it to your self,second by posting half of a method is misleading and not good for new members that don't know anything about roulette, this is only a way to start arguments as aposed to debaiting roulette and asking question to learn more anyways.

Take care
warrior. "

Voted other
perhaps Notepad

You could be partially right. Perhaps warrior doesn't know the optimum way of playing and is interested in finding out more about his idea that is making him consistent profits through the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best way of playing it. Besides riddles, a more plausible perspective I can sense is that warrior is a very intelligent man and wants to share his ideas, but rather than spoon-feed the lazy, he wants people to think for themselves and share the glory, i.e. you will appreciate this system more if you independently come to the same conclusions as he did. He doesn't want to just target the money-orientated who couldn't care less about strategy/maths or how the system works (they just want money), but he wants you to reach a similar wavelength and understanding as him, if that makes sense; the enthusiasm and glory cannot be shared if everyone is spoonfed, spoilt, and doesn't get to use their brain in the process. Likewise, the New Testament is a collection of 60+ riddles to inform only the intelligent and open-minded of it's real agenda.   

Summary: how to make people appreciate things without spoiling them!

You guys are playing with fire being sacrilegious.  FYI

Perhaps if a new thread is made with just the system and
another thread for the opinions maybe that will solve the problem?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 28, 08:17 AM 2014
Perhaps if a new thread is made with just the system and
another thread for the opinions maybe that will solve the problem?

Agreed. Just upsets those who are religious.Its the wrong post.

My opinion of it is this, and some will disagree but I am entitled to my opinion:

On this type of forum the premise is to share ideas and strategies and exchange ideas to make them better.

I don't agree with "well i it researched for years so ill drop hints and see if you can figure it out yourself because I won't share my idea."

We're supposed to be here to help one another so if that is your mode of thinking then the forum is not the place for you?

If you have a nice strategy or bet selection then share it in full OR simply do not start a thread about it or drop hints to string people along for days, that is very annoying.

If I found an infallible way to bet I'd post it immediately.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 28, 09:14 AM 2014
If I found an infallible way to bet I'd post it immediately.

Why on earth would you do that ?

A high percentage of members here are low lifes, that want a HG with ZERO effort from themselves, &
your going to give it to them on a plate ?

@Still

Great work finding that old quote :thumbsup:, following breadcrumbs is a common boring trait of many a gambling forum....


@ falkor

You are not a member of the God Squad, fine, you have that right, that's up to you. But why shove it down the throats
of people at a gambling forum ?
They are either going to have little interest or your just going to upset them, I don't get it.

Finally, I voted locked. Falkor's extensive data belongs on another thread IMHO, & as I said before, breadcrumbs in a forest
gets VERY tying VERY quickly. Although I doubt Warrior was/is ever looking for money.

Iggiv did the right think as normal, and got panned for it as normal  >:( >:(

O0

I said i will do it if it if there is no serious testing of real method will be. If there is something concrete with concrete rules and concrete testing of them why should i remove or lock it. Also if many people enjoy it i don't mind the thread to continue. But if no serious testing will be done i will move it into general discussion section. So far there was NOTHING about concrete testing of any concrete method with concrete rules. Falkor posted some numbers using large fonts, and was telling how great it was and discussing how this "method" should be called. As for me it doesn't matter how you call it. What matters for me it is to clarify it to the people. Publish clear rules how what and when you test. So far it hasn't been done. So till then it looks like a joke to draw people attention.

Guys i am not here to show that "i am authority" like Warrior says. I don't give a damn about "authority" and i don't have one here. I just help keep the forum in order and keep it clean from some spam and scam masters. When i interfered here i had some reasons to believe that a big scam is gonna be cooked again like a few years ago by the same person. Other than that i don't care. Discuss and test any methods. Who cares. Just don't use other people's attention, nerves, energy and money for your own fun.

Quote from: Still on Nov 28, 07:01 AM 2014
Hi falkor,

  I'm writing this because i have a lot of respect for the work you've done putting together a lot of data. We need this kind of data.  I wish more people would be that thorough.  But in the past few hours i have decided it would be better in the humor section.  There are just too many red flags flying around and i feel as though warrior has managed to get people like you to do a lot of heavy lifting that he is unable to do; after all, he still works with pen and paper. And the reason i think he is getting people like you to do heavy lifting is because he does not actually know what works.  Before making this decision i have researched warriors posting history from the earliest to the latest.  As recently as October he has stated three times that no roulette system wins.  He said this system is sort of like Hermes 6x6, so i read that entire thread that he started in this forum. As far as i can tell, Warrior is still trying to figure out a way to make that (or variations of that) work, and needs more people to test more bets selections and more money management schemes.  I believe that after years of research, Warrior is frustrated and is ready to say good-bye, but before he goes, would like to see how much free research he can pull, sourcing the crowd to devote it's thinking powers to the one last idea that he (Warrior) believes will actually work, but of which he is not sure.  To motivate the crowd he has bluffed, and it appears iggiv has called his bluff.   

I could help settle this by meeting Warrior in one of the three casinos that are 25 minutes from his house in lower British Columbia. I live just across the border, probably not more than an hour drive away (I'm 1.5 hours from Vancouver, BC).  I would be happy to watch him lay money on the table and report back to this forum what numbers came up, what he bet, when he bet, and what the results were. 

In 25 pages, we have only one or two win-loss registries from him. That really contradicts the claim that he is actually teaching something.  We also found out he has three different ways of laying bets on the table, only one of which we have even an ounce of information about, and what we know about it it does not match the way he recommended others to start betting on this idea.  He has said that several methods could work, if folks could just understand the original concept, the law of thirds, and how that works out in 37 spins.  But instead of explaining it clearly, he has used riddles.   So, in regards the most important aspect of this thread, the idea...instead we have riddles.  We have riddles and selective silence.  I got into this thread with a list of questions, all of which were ignored, even though his first post says all questions welcome. 

There was another warrior who used riddles.  His name was Sampson, an Israeli warrior of biblical lore.  Well, Sampson didn't really know much except how to start a war, and it all began with riddles.  In their effort to solve his riddles, the Palestinians resorted to espionage and things went from bad to worse.  We are supposed to think Sampson was a hero, but as far as i can tell, his stupid riddles were the beginnings of a 20 years war between Israel and the Palestinians.

Sampson's riddle?  "From the eater, something to eat".  Kind of reminds me of "bring the end to the beginning", or "wear the underwear backwards".  By the way, Sampson was bluffing.  He did not have the 12 sets of clothes he bet that no one could solve the riddle.  So when they solved the riddle, he killed 12 Palestinians and stole their clothes to pay the bet.   Things went downhill from there, since no one in those days had much of a sense of humor. 

If Warrior has something, he needs to come clean soon with more than just riddles.  Win-Loss registry examples would be a good start, to demonstrate how HE has decided to bet on his idea involving the law of thirds...so that WE can better understand the actual idea.  THEN, maybe we can come up with our own variation, if we think it can be done better. 

Dear falkor, i recommend that you use your considerable coding skills to gather data only on the three methods of betting that Warrior says he uses.  THEN, if it seems promising, i'm sure your data will find even better ways, IF there are better ways.  It's time you got paid for your work with more than just "ata boy, keep working, you'll get it". 

Here are Warrior's own words from early in his posting history:

"no dis respect  but if some one wants to protect a method why post it in the first place just keep it to your self,second by posting half of a method is misleading and not good for new members that don't know anything about roulette, this is only a way to start arguments as aposed to debaiting roulette and asking question to learn more anyways.

Take care
warrior. "

Still

I will challenge you to anything you want ,as far as your part in this forum you haven't contributed to anything of value only your opinion on everyone else's ideas .why don't you use your brain and think a little ,you might be book smart but you ain't street smart that I can see from all your 17 pages on this forum.

And to your comment on what I said I don't lead anyone on there are people that don't even know how many numbers are on roulette ,so why should I release something I've been working for the last 10 years . Why don't you brain and try to come up with something good.hope you read this before the authority's delete this.

I contributed more than you with your great "ideas". If you don't want to share don't. No obligation. But don't start then drawing people attention with false promises and tricks.

If you go on trying to create a personal conflict here, i will ban you. You are warned.

Quote from: iggiv on Nov 28, 10:33 AM 2014
I contributed more than you with your great "ideas". If you don't want to share don't. No obligation. But don't start then drawing people attention with false promises and tricks.

If you go on trying to create a personal conflict here, i will ban you. You are warned.
[/quote go head your jealous  get a life .

Ok warrior, i warned you against personal conflicts, now i will ban your for a couple of days for the beginning. And if you start using other nicks to go on, it will be worse.

warrior, if you get to read this, please drop me an email at rarekfm@hotmail.com, as there's something else I wanted to discuss with you other than roulette. Cheers.

The thread has been opened for about 3 weeks and it is now about 26 pages long. However, there is no clear
description of bet selection; Noone seems to understand what to bet, when to bet, how to bet etc.....;
therefore it is impossible to test the system based on information which is on the thread.

If everyone has to start to guess the bet selection, then there will be 55 different bet selection of betting
DS which I don't think was the purpose of the thread in the first place.

In view of the above unless clear details of the bet selection is put forward, I consider it should be
considered as a joke and put in that category.

There's a lot of information but it's been totally missed by the majority it seems. warrior gave away more than he should have done. One of the first people to really understand this I think was Colbster, and a lot more effort was being made in the beginning. Since then all the juicy stuff has been ignored.

If something isn't clear then it's up to you on how you go about seeking clarity: try asking closed questions instead of open questions and state what parts you already understand, etc. Observe how Turner handles these situations to get an idea. Any progress is only hampered by ignorance. Regarding bet selection, my test results have already answered a lot of that. And I already paid somebody in France 20 euros to help develop the spreadsheet, which was made totally free to you guys. I'm invested in warriors system for life.

since people are interested and warned already what it is all about, i will probably move it to general roulette discussion. Unless clear rules be defined for testing.

The thread was read about 7726 times; Yet test results of how many members were there.....??
How many members won how many units during testing....??

Whilst I agree some members may not be inclined to do much testing, I do not judge noone. 
However I doubt very much that all members of the forum are just plain lazy, or don't understand
a bet selection description; or all members need to be spoon fed etc.....

The lack of results testing of members despite being read 7726 times speak for itself I think.

On a forum when something is written out it can be interpreted many different ways. The bet selection and trigger should be CLEAR so all can understand. Why play games?  Just explain how the damn system works

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 28, 12:20 PM 2014
On a forum when something is written out it can be interpreted many different ways. The bet selection and trigger should be CLEAR so all can understand. Why play games?  Just explain how the damn system works

In a nutshell RG

I voted to delete it. Why? well there's a bad title for whats inside

testers wanted bla bla bla, 1st paragraph on the thread says "I am working on something ...." so as it's still being worked on it's NOT ready for testing.

As RouletteGhost states, if you ask for testers the 1st post should explain the bet thoroughly.

I also noted from the thread how Warrior states he has 3 ways (I think) he plays it, but didn't bother to disclose any of them. The whole thread relies on innocents to think they know what the riddle is and shoot off in another direction, the fact that Warrior kept agreeing with the offsprings alarmed me into thinking he has nothing concrete and these people are working for him so he doesn't have to, I may be totally wrong of course, but hey, if it's prompted a vote AND Iggiv is taking some flack then somethings up, isn't it?

The topic has now been moved the correct area, warrior punished for his crimes, but the title remains unchanged... oh dear! iggiv better a host a new meeting in the local manorial court so that appropriate fines can be dished out to fellow peasants for stepping on neighbours' crops by mistake... nevermind our real oppressors. You won't be complaining about 1 million dollars if it gets paid to you in the wrong currency! :girl_to:

Iggiv shouldnt get flak because it was a culmination of my concerns in the mod lounge. I totally agree with iggiv as it was me who raised my concerns.
Its not against warrior per se....its the style of post. This style of posting has had sad reprecussions in the past.

Turner,
I don't care bout flak, bud. Though i do appreciate your sharp eye, attention to details and honesty.

I am used to this kind of pressure against me. It used to be worse some time ago. Now it's easier because we have more mods like u to step up.

Superman: good point. I did change the topic subject.

Quote from: superman on Nov 28, 01:51 PM 2014
I voted to delete it. Why? well there's a bad title for whats inside

testers wanted bla bla bla, 1st paragraph on the thread says "I am working on something ...." so as it's still being worked on it's NOT ready for testing.

As RouletteGhost states, if you ask for testers the 1st post should explain the bet thoroughly.

I also noted from the thread how Warrior states he has 3 ways (I think) he plays it, but didn't bother to disclose any of them. The whole thread relies on innocents to think they know what the riddle is and shoot off in another direction, the fact that Warrior kept agreeing with the offsprings alarmed me into thinking he has nothing concrete and these people are working for him so he doesn't have to, I may be totally wrong of course, but hey, if it's prompted a vote AND Iggiv is taking some flack then somethings up, isn't it?

I was the first voter who voted for it to be locked and noticed I was the only one for quite a while, now there are three.  I support iggiv in his actions, the thread seemed like a bread crumbs and bait fishing trip right from the start.  There have been a lot of them in the past and they have all been rubbished, some probably by Warrior himself.

I also voted to lock.  What I would like is a new thread or threads where Falkor or Warrior or whoever lays out their own vision of the actual rules they are playing with and see how they specifically fare.  I don't see much value in continuing the vague discussion as everyone understands the general gist and has their own idea of where things should go from here.  The strongest methods will inevitably emerge and will gain supporters based on results and personalized playing preferences.

how about this thought

someone who had a nice strategy and decided to just explain it and let fellow members test it and see how well it works and use the forum for what it was designed for

HEY LOOK AT THAT

:twisted:

OK. Rules are rules. I would like to end all this right there but because Warrior keeps coming under different nicks which he is registering today, he gets 5 more days of ban. If he keeps on this way he will get more.

could someone please summarise what is wrong with warriors thread, and what he has done wrong with some examples. thanks

Quote from: Steve on Nov 29, 06:27 AM 2014
could someone please summarise what is wrong with warriors thread, and what he has done wrong with some examples. thanks

Perhaps a question that should of been asked to your Mod Squad before being asked in general public?

O0

I have removed the "religious stuff" to its own topic
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15052.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15052.0)

I'm not moving anymore, I will just delete it.

This is sad. The forum just isnt the same when I dont wake up to ignatus or proofs human name systems.

This is the last good roulette forum

Quote from: Turner on Nov 29, 10:36 AM 2014
I have removed the "religious stuff" to its own topic
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15052.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15052.0)

I'm not moving anymore, I will just delete it.

good work T  :thumbsup:

O0

Quote from: Steve on Nov 29, 06:27 AM 2014
could someone please summarise what is wrong with warriors thread, and what he has done wrong with some examples. thanks

Hi Steve, i'm not sure but i think it was in the wrong area.  It probably should have been opened in the DOJO area of the forum.  People were walking into the testing area expecting the usual parameters, but found principles instead, like:

   *the numbers are the trees, the sleepers are the forest!*
   *if you have dirty underwear and no soap, wear the underwear backwards!*
   *what happens after 37 spins?  just bring the end to the beginning!*
   *it's two inside two inside two. there's that number two again!*
   *we want to avoid sleepers, but when a sleep hits that's the key!*
   *when 37 spins fills up, it is like the cup.  Be the water my friend!*

...and so on for 25 pages.  Not knowing they had walked into a DOJO, people did not know how to give the proper obeisance to the sensei in order to have any questions answered.  For example, if you asked "how does a sleeper HIT when you are trying to avoid them?" without the proper recognition of the sensei, you may not ever get an answer.  We found out if three students ask the same question, it may be possible to get an answer.  In this way we were able to get a theoretical win-loss registry on a sample set of 37 spins.  Upon closer examination of the win-loss registry, it was discovered that the sensei had at least three very advanced techniques to chop on the legs of the casinos until they came crashing down.  But none of those three were what the sensei had asked the students to practice until they could think of roulette differently.  So when iggiv showed up three weeks later, he found the following scene rerunning over and over:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=fULNUr0rvEc (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=fULNUr0rvEc)

Here the sensei is teaching the student to "wax on, wax off"...over and over.  "Bet on each double-street (line) after it comes in, until a second unique number in the line shows up. Then cross it off the list" .  He didn't say to bet this way (he doesn't).  He just said do this until the riddles listed above could be understood.  And then, the student will know everything he needs to know in order to be able to take on giant casinos in actual combat, and bring them to their knees.   

In this way, the sensei has been able to get the students to paint his fence, wax his car, and sand his floors, gathering all kinds of data on the above betting scenario, but which the sensei himself does not bet.   Finally, iggiv walked into the DOJO and, without proper obeisance to the sensei, suggested he move on with the lessons already, after all, we had been watching the above movie scene for three weeks.  He said if the lessons don't move forward, he may have to move the thread to the DOJO section.   

Then it was revealed that everything the sensei had to teach could be found in the very first post of the DOJO, er, of the thread!  How stupid we were to have missed it!  Which meant that he wasn't planning on teaching anything more than that!  When iggiv suggested he teach more than that, all of a sudden, the sensei takes two or three low blows below the belt, leaving iggiv on the floor, gasping for air.  So iggiv put the thread in the DOJO section and warned the sensei not to dish out anymore low blows. 

But some of us are wondering how, as recently as October, the sensei was saying there are NO karate chops that can bring the casinos to their knees?  How did the sensei all of a sudden become an expert in four weeks?  The sensei seems to indicate he was an expert some six to ten years ago...but his posting history suggests otherwise.  So there are transparency issues.  The sensei has laid claim to some completely original idea, which, if the students would just understand the idea, we could possibly move onto the next scene in the movie, which would be this:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg21M2zwG9Q (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg21M2zwG9Q)

But the sensei won't move onto the next scene in the movie until at least 30 of the students learn to "wax on, wax off" properly.  The problem is that many of the students who walk into the DOJO are LAZY, and so, the sensei has to figure out how to weed them out.  Then, MAYBE, the sensei will show them why they are betting on each DS as it comes out until it closes, and why repeats are a bonus!

The problem is there is no clear agreement about WHEN, or even IF the sensei will show the students how to chop down the casinos by going for their legs.  At least the sensei has guaranteed that the game winning idea has not been thought of before.  It seems the sensei only feels obliged to drop a list of riddles (see above), and let the student come to his own conclusion about the Law of Thirds.   Meanwhile, the sensei has set the students practicing endlessly on a slight variation of Hermes 6x6  double street system until they can understand the riddles and come to know the game winning idea themselves, as he knows it, but which he can never reveal directly, lest some lazy students be gifted unworthily.   Till then the students should be grateful for an early Christmas present stuffed into their stockings, which turns out to be a slight variation of Hermes 6x6 double street system. 

So there is just a little confusion about what has been stuffed into our stockings at the moment...or what may be stuffed later on down the road.  Any day now one of the students is going to discover the meaning of the riddles in all of the data that is being collected, and we will all be rich if we are not too lazy. 

Please can everyone vote if they haven't done so already... cheers!

it should be deleted