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Title: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 18, 07:58 PM 2014
From testing my main system it seems I've just discovered a major exploit in roulette.

Here we are only ever betting on 1 double street at a time: wait for a double street to appear then bet on it hoping for a repeat. If you lose then bet on the new double street that appeared instead, but using the progression below. Once you win then start over with the progression, but wait for a new double street to appear before betting on it (or it may work staying on the winning DS - just for the first spin).

Every time a DS repeats you win 1-5 units

Progression: 1   1   1   1   1   2   2   2   3   3   4   5   6   7   8   10   12   14   17   21   25   30   36   43   52   62   74

Although a DS can sleep for 79 spins I don't think it will happen whilst chasing the lead.

Alternatively, you can flat-bet this for 5 units profit every win or -1 unit every loss, but you must keep switching to a different DS depending on the last one that came in.
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 18, 08:32 PM 2014
Sounds good. But using these 185 spins betting the last doublestreet loses :(

link:s://:.google.com/search?q=roulette+past+spins&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=j3-TVMPoHoungwTVlIGwDw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&biw=360&bih=592#facrc=_&imgrc=lUqVF_eGuARO3M%253A%3BScKhVJgr44mSNM%3Blink:%253A%252F%252F:.rouletteforum.cc%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Ddlattach%253Btopic%253D3689.0%253Battach%253D4035%3Blink:%253A%252F%252F:.rouletteforum.cc%252Findex.php%253Ftopic%253D3689.0%3B330%3B302 (link:s://:.google.com/search?q=roulette+past+spins&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=j3-TVMPoHoungwTVlIGwDw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&biw=360&bih=592#facrc=_&imgrc=lUqVF_eGuARO3M%253A%3BScKhVJgr44mSNM%3Blink:%253A%252F%252F:.rouletteforum.cc%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Ddlattach%253Btopic%253D3689.0%253Battach%253D4035%3Blink:%253A%252F%252F:.rouletteforum.cc%252Findex.php%253Ftopic%253D3689.0%3B330%3B302)
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 18, 08:41 PM 2014
I'm not seeing a loss in either direction of those last 185 spins:

10,36,9,17,3,26,20,21 (win!)
18,36,15,31,34,12,8 (win!)
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 18, 08:45 PM 2014
3rd row up from bottom start at 18. Unless i missed something

If u start at 18 doesnt it lose? Thats more then 20 misses in a row. It does very well until u get to that 18.

This is a good idea though
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 18, 08:58 PM 2014
18, 24, 25, 31, 17, 3, 1 (win!)
18, 35, 6, 16, 27, 22, 14, 31, 16, 32, 21, 12, 5, 26, 8, 20, 7, 29, 36, 22, 33, 5, 32, 3, 14, 36, 24, 7, 16, 14 (win)

Right you are! Those numbers would have needed a longer progression of 30 steps:
1   1   1   1   1   2   2   2   3   3   4   5   6   7   8   10   12   14   17   21   25   30   36   43   52   62   74   89   107   128

Perhaps it's too dangerous using a progression? I did discover it using flat-betting.
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 18, 09:00 PM 2014
I think with minor tweaks this can be a winner all the time. Maybe bet previous 2 double streets. I dont know
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 18, 09:04 PM 2014
Perhaps 30 losses in a row is an extreme event and plenty of profit would be made before that ever came
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 18, 09:09 PM 2014
It's a possibility - or it may be a warning. I guess testing it over several thousand spins might be the only way to find out.
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 18, 09:21 PM 2014
I had a similar idea with the colums

Use progression 1 1 2 3 4 6 9 13 20

Bet on last column to show
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: bbb128 on Dec 18, 09:43 PM 2014
you only betting on 1 DS?
your progression result in a lost starting from the 10th bet

Units to bet   Net Gain   total Stake
1   4   1
1   3   2
1   2   3
1   1   4
1   0   5
2   3   7
2   1   9
2   -1   11
3   1   14
3   -2   17
4   -1   21
5   -1   26
6   -2   32
7   -4   39
8   -7   47
10   -7   57
12   -9   69
14   -13   83
17   -15   100
21   -16   121
25   -21   146
30   -26   176
36   -32   212
43   -40   255
52   -47   307
62   -59   369
74   -73   443
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: LuckoftheIrish on Dec 18, 10:50 PM 2014
I just tested 200 000 single zero RNG spins.  Longest session ended on Spin 68.

Here is the table:

2   4212
3   3352
4   2828
5   2448
6   2108
7   1760
8   1543
9   1262
10   1064
11   862
12   760
13   646
14   535
15   448
16   403
17   364
18   284
19   229
20   188
21   176
22   142
23   112
24   102
25   103
26   80
27   70
28   62
29   55
30   31
31   46
32   29
33   33
34   21
35   17
36   14
37   13
38   16
39   8
40   10
41   8
42   6
43   2
44   3
45   3
46   3
47   2
48   1
49   2
50   1
51   1
52   2
53   1
54   0
55   1
56   0
57   0
58   0
59   1
60   0
61   0
62   1
63   0
64   0
65   0
66   0
67   1
68   1
   26476

Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: LuckoftheIrish on Dec 19, 01:48 AM 2014
Quote from: bbb128 on Dec 18, 09:43 PM 2014
you only betting on 1 DS?
your progression result in a lost starting from the 10th bet

Units to bet   Net Gain   total Stake
1   4   1
1   3   2
1   2   3
1   1   4
1   0   5
2   3   7
2   1   9
2   -1   11
3   1   14
3   -2   17
4   -1   21
5   -1   26
6   -2   32
7   -4   39
8   -7   47
10   -7   57
12   -9   69
14   -13   83
17   -15   100
21   -16   121
25   -21   146
30   -26   176
36   -32   212
43   -40   255
52   -47   307
62   -59   369
74   -73   443

Actually his progression returns a profit at every stage:

Units to bet   Net Gain   Total Stake
1   5   1
1   4   2
1   3   3
1   2   4
1   1   5
2   5   7
2   3   9
2   1   11
3   4   14
3   1   17
4   3   21
5   4   26
6   4   32
7   3   39
8   1   47
10   3   57
12   3   69
14   1   83
17   2   100
21   5   121
25   4   146
30   4   176
36   4   212
43   3   255
52   5   307
62   3   369
74   1   443
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: bbb128 on Dec 19, 01:57 AM 2014
ic
there was a error on my progression calculator :xd:
thanks
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 19, 04:14 AM 2014
Hi,

Oddly enough I was trying this yesterday!
I even waited first for 12 non-repeat lines before using a 30-step progression on FTL line.
Most times it will work - but just saying beware - I encountered a bust in only a few hundred real spins.
Am sure this has been rejected before. I think a "fail" rather than "grail"...
A.
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: winkel on Dec 19, 07:05 AM 2014
Quote from: falkor on Dec 18, 07:58 PM 2014
From testing my main system it seems I've just discovered a major exploit in roulette.

Here we are only ever betting on 1 double street at a time: wait for a double street to appear then bet on it hoping for a repeat. If you lose then bet on the new double street that appeared instead, but using the progression below. Once you win then start over with the progression, but wait for a new double street to appear before betting on it (or it may work staying on the winning DS - just for the first spin).

Every time a DS repeats you win 1-5 units

Progression: 1   1   1   1   1   2   2   2   3   3   4   5   6   7   8   10   12   14   17   21   25   30   36   43   52   62   74

Although a DS can sleep for 79 spins I don't think it will happen whilst chasing the lead.

Alternatively, you can flat-bet this for 5 units profit every win or -1 unit every loss, but you must keep switching to a different DS depending on the last one that came in.

Pls explain: If it is so easy why messing around with that warrior-thing?
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 19, 07:38 AM 2014
These repetitive systems are easy to play, but I never found any that worked. However, this one was showing more profit in flat-betting when I tested it. I didn't know how it would perform using a progression, but thanks to Irish we now know that the 42 progression steps max isn't enough to cover all losing streaks. The warriors system is based on Law of the Third so has more predictability power in certain situations!
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: thelaw on Dec 19, 07:55 AM 2014
So the guy with 45+ pages of data about his "main" system, can't run numbers on a basic martingale

I posted this yesterday after Iggiv gave Falkor an ultimatum, but before he posted "holy grail" :


"Why should anyone believe Falkor given his behavior through this thread?

How is this behavior not "Trolling"?

If he provided an excellent system on January 1st - why should anyone believe him?

This is a much larger question for the forum as a whole - what behavior warrants a breach of trust?"

How is anyone still falling for this con......................the promise of easy money.............you can't cheat an honest man.

Falkor rides again!!!

Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: winkel on Dec 19, 07:57 AM 2014
Quote from: falkor on Dec 19, 07:38 AM 2014
The warriors system is based on Law of the Third so has more predictability power in certain situations!

Never ever was any predictable power discoverd by using the Law of the Third.
And there is no certain situation htat gives an advantage.
Certain outcomes may appear and may not. But they will always do so by their statiscal chance.
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 07:58 AM 2014
He started a thread with an actual strategy. Let it be.
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 19, 08:07 AM 2014
With Warriors, let's say that DS 1 closed on spin # 2-6 and DS 2 closed on spin #17-21 with 1 repeat or less this would predict and guarantee that DS 3 will close within 2 spins - usually the following spin.
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: thelaw on Dec 19, 08:29 AM 2014
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 07:58 AM 2014
He started a thread with an actual strategy. Let it be.

Should we congratulate him on waking up this morning as well?

When did just "posting an actual strategy" become acceptable?

When did beating roulette turn into a Book Club?

No wonder we don't have a working strategy to beat the game.....
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 19, 08:37 AM 2014
thelaw, Do you think your behaviour could be considered trolling?

How do you think you could improve your behaviour on this forum, or are you above the law?
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: winkel on Dec 19, 09:08 AM 2014
Quote from: falkor on Dec 19, 08:07 AM 2014
With Warriors, let's say that DS 1 closed on spin # 2-6 and DS 2 closed on spin #17-21 with 1 repeat or less this would predict and guarantee that DS 3 will close within 2 spins - usually the following spin.

what happened in the spins between #6 and #17? No 4th, 5th, 6th DS appeared and closed? and ds3 sleeping for at least 17 spins has to hit at spin 19? What a holy shrek
Title: Re: Holy Grail?
Post by: falkor on Dec 19, 09:15 AM 2014
I'm only referring to the DSs that are in play as per the rules of warriors, and if there is a long losing streak between DS 1 and 2 closing it means that the action has been happening elsewhere on the carpet: 5-6 DSs are opening up, several repeats are coming in - mostly on the DS that already closed perhaps. It's a bit like GUT: if RN crossings are not happening then perhaps it's the NF crossing that are happening instead.