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Title: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 21, 10:05 AM 2015
This method is by TurboGenius and i like the method very much.
One reason is that you need no tracking and it is easy to play.

You track the last four dozen that hit and bet against them on a rolling basis.

2.
3.
3.
3.
2 L.
2 W.   
2 W.   
1 W.   
1 W.   
2 L.
1 W.   
2 W.   
1 L.   
1 W.   
3 W.   
1 W.   
1 L.   
2 W.   
1 W.   
3 W.   
2 W.   
2 L.
1 L.   
1 W.   
2 L.   
1 W.   
1 L.   
2 W.   
3 W.   
3 W.   
1 L.   
3 W.   
3 L.   
1 W.   
2 W.
2 W.
1 W.
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 W.
2 L.
3 W.
2 W.
3 W.
2 L.
3 L.
1 W
3 L
1 W
1 W
1
1
2
2
1
2

I want to play and have a reason standing next to the wheel starring at it.
Then i been thinking about this method.

But a 4 step marty would be to agressive for my taste, so i was thinking to use one skip and flat betting the first two bets and raise the last one.
I want to play as much i can and lose as little i can during that time standing next to the wheel starring at it and collecting data.

1:1
1:1
2:2

That way i win with my first bet and accept loses with my secound and last bet.
The idea is that first bet and secound bet will hovering around break even territorium.
As first wins one unit and the secound lose one unit.

WWWWLWWWWWWLWW


2.
3.
3.
3.
2 L.
2 W. +1
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 L.
1 W. +2
2 W.
1 L.
1 W. +3
3 W.
1 W.
1 L.
2 W. +4
1 W.
3 W.
2 W.
2 L.
1 L. +2
1 W. +3
2 L.
1 W. +4
1 L.
2 W. +5
3 W.
3 W.
1 L.
3 W. +6
3 L.
1 W. +7
2 W.
2 W.
1 W.
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 W.
2 L.
3 W. +8
2 W.
3 W.
2 L.
3 L. +6
1 W  +7
3 L
1 W  +8
1 W
1
1
2
2
1
2
3

Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 21, 10:14 AM 2015

The minium for the lines are 2 Euro - that means 8 Euro for each bet.
The outside bets has 10 Euro as minimum and that would be 20 Euro.

Cheers
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: thelaw on Jan 21, 10:20 AM 2015
Just ran a quick test based on Wiesbaden results. System tanked within 100 spins.

The main problem appears to be running into a run of a dozen (4+ in a row) which kills the progression (zeros can also pose a problem).

Just my $.02

Thanks for posting! :)
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 21, 10:25 AM 2015
QuoteJust ran a quick test based on Wiesbaden results. System tanked within 100 spins.


It does not tank because you lose 4 in a row - that is ridiculus ...
I show around 50 trails and made +8 units - not bad.

QuoteThe main problem appears to be running into a run of a dozen (4+ in a row) which kills the progression (zeros can also pose a problem).

You don't use agressive progression and play all four bets.
You use skips and try to hovering around zero as i explain above.

The point is not posting a winning system - the point is to post a system that have a low losing ration with a low variance and using table minimum bets losing less during long period of playing.


Cheers
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 21, 10:28 AM 2015

Do any one else have a method with low variance, low bet amount and hovering around zero point.
Then feel free to post method at this topic.

Cheers
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: thelaw on Jan 21, 12:59 PM 2015
Quote from: ego on Jan 21, 10:25 AM 2015

It does not tank because you lose 4 in a row - that is ridiculus ...
I show around 50 trails and made +8 units - not bad.

You don't use agressive progression and play all four bets.
You use skips and try to hovering around zero as i explain above.

The point is not posting a winning system - the point is to post a system that have a low losing ration with a low variance and using table minimum bets losing less during long period of playing.


Cheers

Hey Ego,

I was just observing the w/L record in 100 spins, which looked significantly different than the one posted above. As I mentioned, not just 4 in a row, but zero, as well as any natural losses (not in a row).

When testing systems, I always look for session from hell that would destroy it. I think that GLC mentioned using 25% win for EC, so that would equate to around 12% for dozens.

Again, just my $.02-not trying to criticize your method :)
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: sturrock on Jan 21, 04:01 PM 2015
Just gave it a go on Super Casino Live Dealer

WWWWLWLWWWWWWWWLWLWLLLWWWWWW

Not toooo bad  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 22, 07:04 AM 2015
Quote from: sturrock on Jan 21, 04:01 PM 2015
Just gave it a go on Super Casino Live Dealer

WWWWLWLWWWWWWWWLWLWLLLWWWWWW

Not toooo bad  :thumbsup:

That was my point - even if you would lose four in a row you would win a small amount or at least break even - not bad.
That sequense look like 100 to 150 trails.

W +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
L  +2
W +3
L  +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
W +5
W +6
W +7
W +8
W +9
L +7
W +8
L +6
W +7
L +5
L +3
L -1
W +0
W +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
W +5

I assume that is the result you got with your live play.
I also test this and get the same results as you did.

WWWWLWWWWWWLWWWWWWWLWLWLWLWWLWWLLWWLWWLLW

W +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
L +2
W +3
W +4
W +5
W +6
W +7
W +8
L +6
W +7
W +8
W +9
W +10
W +11
W +12
W +13
L +11
W +12
L +10
W +11
L +9
W +10
L +8
W +9
W +10
L +8
W +9
W +10
L +8
L +6
W +8
W +9
L +7
W +8
W +9
L +7
L +5
W +7

For me is not about winning using this method - becasue i know there does not exist winning methods.
I just want to lose less - small amount of money during play with low variance.

You can see it like this - i pay to get collected data for another ball game.

Cheers


Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: biagle on Jan 22, 07:32 AM 2015
hi, can you give example how you are betting. i dont get it.

2.
3.
3.
3.
2 L.
2 W.   why win? you should bet 1 and 3 dozen?
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 22, 07:37 AM 2015
Quote from: biagle on Jan 22, 07:32 AM 2015
hi, can you give example how you are betting. i dont get it.

2.
3. 1-2
3.
3.
2 L.
2 W.   why win? you should bet 1 and 3 dozen?

2. 1-3
3. 1-2
3. 1-2
3. 1-2
2. 1-3
2. 1-3

You allways play the two oppisite.

But don't wast you time with this method - is not a winning method - it lose.
I just run 300 trails and peak at 12 units and end with -3 units.

So i would pay 24 Euro to getting 300 trails of data - not so bad - but i will search for something better.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: thelaw on Jan 22, 08:37 AM 2015
Couple of ideas :

Progression : Labby (standard 3-line w/stop-loss)

or

Flat-Bet with standard Win Goal/Loss Limit (much safer) - great stuff being posted right now on Betselection from XXVV about this "ways to improve session results"

This selection has a very impressive hit-rate thus far. Great work! :)

Just my $.02
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Jan 22, 02:21 PM 2015
Comparing this one with the method I posted, this one's LW was less clustered than mine. And with one less Loss.

Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Jan 22, 04:42 PM 2015
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 22, 08:37 AM 2015

This selection has a very impressive hit-rate thus far. Great work! :)

Just my $.02

It's not the hit-rate that's impressive, to me anyway. It's just a typical 66% W vs 33% L  of most DD betting methods. Where it seems to stand out is in the registry, where the LW are better dispersed. Only four Ls in a row. I'll try this one at the local B&M. I'll wait for 4 virtual losses and then flat bet until in plus, with a higher stake than usual.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: thelaw on Jan 22, 04:44 PM 2015
Ran a few more tests from Weisbaden with flat betting using simple MM Strategy (+ or - 10 then stop), but found too many instances where there would be 100 spins without a clear winner/loser.

May try a simple progression when I get a minute.....:)
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Jan 22, 04:50 PM 2015
If you can, just publish the LW. I've come to the conclusion that's all there is to know. Think it deserves a thread on its own.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: thelaw on Jan 22, 05:08 PM 2015
Quote from: psimoes on Jan 22, 04:50 PM 2015
If you can, just publish the LW. I've come to the conclusion that's all there is to know. Think it deserves a thread on its own.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to post all results, but here is an example of the type of chops that I'm seeing (actual spins) :

L
w
L
w
w
w
L
w
L
L
w
L
w
L
L
w
L
w
w
w
L
L
w
L
w
w
L
w
w
L
L

......again...just my $.02 (the spins that I am running into seem to have more chops than others posted here-not sure why) :)

Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Jan 22, 05:21 PM 2015
Guess the dozens are streaky. It's the only situation that kills it. I'll have to "read" the table carefully. Still, if waiting for four virtual losses before betting, no actual loss has happened yet. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: thelaw on Jan 22, 05:28 PM 2015
Quote from: psimoes on Jan 22, 05:21 PM 2015
Guess the dozens are streaky. It's the only situation that kills it. I'll have to "read" the table carefully. Still, if waiting for four virtual losses before betting, no actual loss has happened yet. Thanks for sharing.

Another quick idea - what about betting after each loss (seeing a bunch of single losses in all of these samples-Marti if you've got the stones) :)
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: GLC on Jan 23, 12:09 AM 2015
Bet 2 dozens until you have 4 wins in a row.  On 4 wins in a row, you drop back/down 1 level.  On 2 losses in a row, you increase 1 level.

So, with 3 or less wins in a row, you keep playing the same bet amount.  With only 1 loss, you keep playing the same bet amount.

Shoot for 1 unit per attack and then reset back to the 1 unit level.

So, we start by betting 1 unit each on 2 dozens.  You decide which 2 dozens.  As long as we only lose 1 time in a row or only win 3 or less times in a row, we stay at the 1 unit each on 2 dozens level. 

WWLWWWLWLWWLWLWWLWWWL  with this Win/Loss record, we are still betting 1 unit on each dozen because we haven't had 4 wins in a row or 2 losses in a row. 

WWLWWWLWLWWLWLWWLWWWLL  Uh oh!  We had 2 losses in a row so we start betting 2 units each on the 2 dozens. 

WWLWWLWLL  Uh oh! another 2 losses in a row so we move to betting 3 units each on our 2 dozens. 

WWWLWLWLWWLWWWW  Uh oh!  We just had 4 wins in a row so we drop back to betting 2 units each on our 2 dozens.  Etc...etc...etc...

We can play until we reach a predetermined win target if we want instead of resetting every time we reach +1.

This is not a complete system, just a betting method that has pretty good staying power.

Best of luck,

George
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 23, 07:21 AM 2015
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 22, 05:08 PM 2015
Unfortunately, I don't have time to post all results, but here is an example of the type of chops that I'm seeing (actual spins) :

L
w
L
w
w
w
L
w
L
L
w
L
w
L
L
w
L
w
w
w
L
L
w
L
w
w
L
w
w
L
L

......again...just my $.02 (the spins that I am running into seem to have more chops than others posted here-not sure why) :)

Yes that is a bad session or bad strike, lets take a closer look:

L
w +1
L
w +2
w
w
L
w +3
L
L +1
w +2
L
w +3
L
L +1
w +2
L
w +3
w
w
L
L +1
w +2
L
w +3
w
L
w +4
w
L
L +2
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Jan 23, 02:15 PM 2015
Played this method at the casino today. 4 L, 13 W. Flat bet. Profit 5 u.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Jan 23, 02:26 PM 2015

Nice ...
If some one has follow this topic, so was the point not to post a winning method.
The point was that i can stand next to the table for 8 hours collecting data and look like a system player with out losing to much with low variance.
I test 300 trails and lose 24 Euro - but during the play i had a peak around +12 units.

Cheers
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: thelaw on Jan 23, 04:09 PM 2015
Quote from: ego on Jan 23, 02:26 PM 2015
Nice ...
If some one has follow this topic, so was the point not to post a winning method.
The point was that i can stand next to the table for 8 hours collecting data and look like a system player with out losing to much with low variance.
I test 300 trails and lose 24 Euro - but during the play i had a peak around +12 units.

Cheers

Hey Ego,

Was that using the betting selection mentioned in your last post above, or flat betting each spin?

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Jan 30, 11:08 PM 2015
Quote from: ego on Jan 23, 02:26 PM 2015
Nice ...
If some one has follow this topic, so was the point not to post a winning method.
The point was that i can stand next to the table for 8 hours collecting data and look like a system player with out losing to much with low variance.
I test 300 trails and lose 24 Euro - but during the play i had a peak around +12 units.

Cheers

I see your point. Well, if there is such alternative method, I'd be interested to know about it.
There is still some variance with this one. Four losses in a row aren't so rare. It's valid for columns as well. And sometimes the losses coincide (dzs 2,3,3,1 + cls  A,B,B,C and next outcome: dz2 + cl A for example). Although it's not frequent. I was on a losing streak and decided to place my last two chips on the two splits and won. I'll remember this for a long time.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: TwoCatSam on Jan 31, 10:21 AM 2015
Quote from: ego on Jan 21, 10:05 AM 2015
This method is by TurboGenius and i like the method very much.
One reason is that you need no tracking and it is easy to play.

You track the last four dozen that hit and bet against them on a rolling basis.

2.
3.
3.
3.
2 L.
2 W.   
2 W.   
1 W.   
1 W.   
2 L.
1 W.   
2 W.   
1 L.   
1 W.   
3 W.   
1 W.   
1 L.   
2 W.   
1 W.   
3 W.   
2 W.   
2 L.
1 L.   
1 W.   
2 L.   
1 W.   
1 L.   
2 W.   
3 W.   
3 W.   
1 L.   
3 W.   
3 L.   
1 W.   
2 W.
2 W.
1 W.
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 W.
2 L.
3 W.
2 W.
3 W.
2 L.
3 L.
1 W
3 L
1 W
1 W
1
1
2
2
1
2

I want to play and have a reason standing next to the wheel starring at it.
Then i been thinking about this method.

But a 4 step marty would be to agressive for my taste, so i was thinking to use one skip and flat betting the first two bets and raise the last one.
I want to play as much i can and lose as little i can during that time standing next to the wheel starring at it and collecting data.

1:1
1:1
2:2

That way i win with my first bet and accept loses with my secound and last bet.
The idea is that first bet and secound bet will hovering around break even territorium.
As first wins one unit and the secound lose one unit.

WWWWLWWWWWWLWW


2.
3.
3.
3.
2 L.
2 W. +1
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 L.
1 W. +2
2 W.
1 L.
1 W. +3
3 W.
1 W.
1 L.
2 W. +4
1 W.
3 W.
2 W.
2 L.
1 L. +2
1 W. +3
2 L.
1 W. +4
1 L.
2 W. +5
3 W.
3 W.
1 L.
3 W. +6
3 L.
1 W. +7
2 W.
2 W.
1 W.
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 W.
2 L.
3 W. +8
2 W.
3 W.
2 L.
3 L. +6
1 W  +7
3 L
1 W  +8
1 W
1
1
2
2
1
2
3



Read the red.  What if the last four dozens to hit are 1 2 3 2.  That's certainly possible.  How do we bet against that?

Do you mean to say, "Look at the last four outcomes.  If only one dozen is missing, bet it."

Am I missing something?

Sam



Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: GLC on Jan 31, 12:14 PM 2015
Sam,  All this method does is bet that the last four dozen sequence won't repeat in the next 4 spins.  this is a double dozen system.  So if we have 1 3 2 2 as the last four spins, we will bet against the 1 dozen hitting, if the 1 doz does hit then bet against the 3 dozen hitting, if the 3 doz hits, then bet against the 2 dozen hitting and if the 2 dozen hits, then bet against the next 2 dozen hitting.

So we're betting that this:

1 3 3 2

won't become this:

1 3 3 2
1 3 3 2

Turbo used a standard martingale progression for 2 dozens: 1-1;  3-3; 9-9; 27-27. 

Really all we're doing is betting 1-1 that the dozen that hit on the 4th spin back won't hit on this, the 5th spin.  If it does, we will bet 3-3 that the new 4th spin back won't repeat on this new 5th spin.  If it does, then 9-9 and finally 27-27.  We only lose all four bets if the exact 4 dozens repeats in the next four spins.

TwisterUK posted a similar system on the even chance bets.  He bet a 10 step martingale against the last 10 spins repeating in the next 10 spins.  I think he called it the closest system to a holy grail he'd come up with.

I think it's not any more profitable than just writing down about 25 sets of 4 random sets of dozens.  Like the following:

1 2 3 3
2 3 1 3
2 2 3 1
2 1 1 2
2 3 3 3
2 1 2 1
1 1 1 3
3 2 2 1

etc...

Just bet 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27 that each line won't repeat.  When you win on a line, just drop down to the next line and start over at 1-1.

If you lose all 4 bets, you will lose 80 units.  Keep playing the same progression and hope in the long run you win more than you lose.

If you go through all 25 sets that you wrote down before coming into the casino, just go back to the top and go through them again.  The wheel doesn't know what you're doing.

GLC
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 01, 12:01 AM 2015
George

You have a unique way of explaining things:  I can understand them!!   :thumbsup:

I had a sneakin' suspicion I was reading it wrong--and I read it many times!

Thanks and did you move yet?

Sam
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: atlantis on Feb 01, 05:24 AM 2015
@twocatsam
For double dozen I sometimes like to use the RO/BE  RE/BO selection methodology from the "easy peasy" system (EC + 1 Line)
Remember that fun little system you made a video of? btw, do you ever still play it? :)

A.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: TwoCatSam on Feb 01, 10:15 AM 2015
Atlantis

Call me crazy--and many have!--but when I learned that pretty young woman had taken us for a ride and didn't really exist, I soured on that idea.  I have not played it since.   I rarely get to a casino anymore.  I have only been once or twice in that past six months.  When I do go, I almost always play the "Tic Tac Toe" by Dane.  I am constantly amazed at how that thing works.

For years now, I've swore I'd someday play MRJ's "Two's Company" for real as I never have.  I tested that thing with the Zuma Tester until it won over $5,000 and quit.  It is a horrible progression--CONTRADICTION TO FOLLOW--but in the "long run" it always wins a ton.  Or it did...

I am always looking for new ideas that are easy to play and DO NOT use a progression (OOPS).  At Riverwind, there seems to be a tendency for the RNG to get in a "repeater" mode and the same numbers come up in batches.  Yes, I know; I need to devise a system for that.

Oklahoma seems to be the child of climate change as our winters are becoming very mild and short.  Sadly, this leaves me more time to work in the yard.  I have two more summers and then I turn 70.  If I'm still alive by then, I will hire me a SammyClone to do my work for me. 

Good to hear from you.  Take care.

Samster



Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Feb 01, 09:12 PM 2015
So we're supposed to retrack another four spins after a win? I thought we'd bet continuously, i.e. bet against the last fourth dozen. As Ego said "on a rolling basis", which is the original point of this thread... a method that lets you play every spin...

Anyway retracking after a win might reduce variance (or not), if the random outcomes are regarded as a continuous process (debatable). So if there's still room for improvement this method should deserve its own thread.

Imagine if, by betting every spin, we face the following variance:

WWWLLWWWLWWLWWLLWWWLLWWWWLLLLWLWWWW

By retracking after a win we'd miss out a few wins but we could also be skipping over clusters of losses:

WNbNbNbNbLWNbNbNbNbWNbNbNbNbWNbNbNbNbWNbNbNbNbLW

Or we can just accept the variance and wait for a number of virtual losses before staking. Guess I'm surrendering to the virtual betting idea.

Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 02, 04:48 AM 2015
after a win wait next 4 spins then bet, if win wait for four more spins,then bet
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Feb 02, 06:01 AM 2015

psimoes is correct - i write on a rolling basis - that is the original ...

cheers
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 05, 12:40 PM 2015
2               
3               
3               
3               
2 L.            1/3L   
2 W.            1/2W      
2 W.            NB      
1 W.            NB      
1 W.            NB      
2 L.                 NB       
1 W.            1/3   W   
2 W.            NB      
1 L.            NB      
1 W.            NB      
3 W.            NB      
1 W.            1/3   W   
1 L.            NB      
2 W.            NB      
1 W.            NB      
3 W.            NB      
2 W.            2/3   W   
2 L.                 NB      
1 L.            NB      
1 W.            NB      
2 L.            NB      
1 W.            1/3   W   
1 L.            NB      
2 W.            NB      
3 W.            NB      
3 W.            NB      
1 L.            2/3   L   
3 W.            1/3   W   
3 L.            NB      
1 W.            NB      
2 W.         NB      
2 W.         NB      
1 W.         1/2   W   
2 W.         NB      
1 W.         NB      
1 W.         NB      
2 W.         NB      
2 L.         1/3   L   
3 W.         2/3   W   
2 W.         NB      
3 W.         NB      
2 L.         NB      
3 L.         NB      
1 W         1/3   W   
3 L         NB      
1 W         NB      
1 W         NB      
1         NB      
1         1/2   W   
2               +10
2               
1               
2

WHEN WIN WAIT FOUR THEN BET, DID OK. If lose 1st bet wait for next trigger bet next part of progression.               
               
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 05, 12:47 PM 2015
WH,ENF   6.1.15      
5   1      
7   1      
20   2      
30   3      
20   b   2/3   w
7   1      
14   2      
8   1      
15   2      
16   b   2/3   w
11   1      
27   3      
16   2      
11   1      
30   b   2/3   w
6   1      
26   3      
15   2      
5   1      
6   b   2/3   l
25      1/2   l
28      1/3   w
0   0      
26   3      
16   2      
24   2      
27   3      
24   b   1/2   w
2   1      
8   1      
15   2      
17   2      
14   b   2/3   w
29   3      
31   3      
6   1      
6   1      
29   b   1/2   l
4      1/2   w
12   1      
18   2      
6   1      
19   2      
18   b   2/3   w
19   2      
34   3      
25   3      
35   3      
4   b   1/3   w
16   2      
29   3      
22   2      
26   3      
17   b   1/3   l
18      1/2   w
23   2      
9   1      
24   2      
8   1      
1   b   1/3   w
         
         
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 05, 12:49 PM 2015
lad,enf   6.1.15      
29   3      
27   3      
28   3      
30   3      
10   b   1/2   w
25   3      
22   2      
1   1      
36   3      
5   b   1/2   w
4   1      
6   1      
1   1      
14   2      
33   b   2/3   w
17   2      
32   3      
27   3      
35   3      
31   b   1/3   w
30   3      
25   3      
9   1      
3   1      
19   b   1/2   w
19   2      
18   2      
20   2      
20   2      
34   b   1/3   w
33   3      
22   2      
7   1      
15   2      
13   b   1/2   w
33   3      
4   1      
18   2      
6   1      
15   b   1/2   w
19   2      
36   3      
30   3      
6   1      
12   b   1/3   w
5   1      
35   3      
17   2      
5   1      
24   b   2/3   w
29   3      
20   2      
28   3      
23   2      
1   b   1/2   w
24   2      
10   1      
19   2      
14   2      
32   b   1/3   w
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: psimoes on Feb 06, 07:42 PM 2015
Looks good for 1 unit a day. Bring 5000, bet 100+100 until in plus, stop?

Still with the tweak there are bad runs out there. And it'd take a while to recover, just like another day at the office.

I thought about why this method works well. It's not the same as betting different than the previous outcome, seeing that a dozen repeating for five times isn't that unusual. Add a zero or two and it tanks the progression.

Betting different than the fourth last outcome makes more sense.  The problem is when a pattern like 1xxx1xxx1xxx1xxx develops, or when a dozen repeats for eight(!) times.

I tried betting different than the eighth outcome and it worked, with lots of wins in a row. But when it went bad, it went really bad. It took one single bad run in 300 spins to tank. Variance is always there.

Then one thing happens: there is at least one Loss every 10 spins. That's almost guaranteed. Which means there's "always" a single dozen that cycles at least once.

Betting instead for that dozen to hit makes sense. We can use a fibo for that. And then wait for the cycle to end and repeat procedure.

I will start a thread about it.

Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 07, 02:59 AM 2015
@Ego - Concerning the progression, I have very good results playing in group of 7 bets i.e
no need to skip the 1st bet. Bet the relevant 2 dozens for 7 betting opportunities.

As long as we are winning we stay at 1 unit. After  making the  7 bets, we evaluate.  If we are
in minus we bet 2 units for 7 times. As soon as we have recovered we go back to 1 unit. Rinse, wash, and repeat.

Give it a try, u will be nicely surprised with the results.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: sturrock on Feb 07, 03:29 AM 2015
Hi Chris.  Are you playing every bet or waiting 4 after a win?
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 07, 04:15 AM 2015
Hi Sturrock

I wait 4 after a win.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: atlantis on Feb 07, 06:24 AM 2015
Nice idea Chris555p  :thumbsup:

A.
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: ego on Feb 07, 01:01 PM 2015
Quote@Ego - Concerning the progression, I have very good results playing in group of 7 bets i.e
no need to skip the 1st bet. Bet the relevant 2 dozens for 7 betting opportunities.

As long as we are winning we stay at 1 unit. After  making the  7 bets, we evaluate.  If we are
in minus we bet 2 units for 7 times. As soon as we have recovered we go back to 1 unit. Rinse, wash, and repeat.

Give it a try, u will be nicely surprised with the results.

I will test that.

Cheers
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: Chris555p on Feb 07, 04:10 PM 2015
@Atlantis

I'm glad u like the idea.

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: GLC on Mar 01, 12:36 PM 2015
Quote from: maxfortuna on Mar 01, 11:22 AM 2015
Its Realy One Professional Roulette Gambler - REGELE RULETEI BUZAN ADRIAN?can somebody tell something about him?

Max,  If it's good enough to sell for a small fortune, it should be good enough to earn a big fortune.

We all know that the margin between a winning system and a losing system is usually bankroll and table limits.  The house has such a small advantage, and none at all against no zero roulette other than their fee if you win, that no system like the one above can guarantee being a long term winner.

Here's how to look at every system to see if it's a long term winner or not.  Determine the results if each number from 0 - 36 were to hit one time.  Add up your wins and subtract your losses.  This will tell you if the house has an advantage or if you have an advantage.  If the house has an advantage, only luck will keep enough of those losing numbers from hitting so close together that it drives you too deep in the hole to recover.  Or if you're using a progression it will get so steep that you either run out of money or you hit the table limit. 

End of story.  Steve's right.  If you can't predict where the ball will land with an accuracy than overcomes the unfair pay-off, you can't win long term unless you're lucky.

With good discipline, money control etc... you can minimize your chances of losing, but you can never guarantee that someone will be a winner!

GLC
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: mogul397 on Mar 05, 05:12 PM 2015
SO I have a couple thoughts in this direction. If I understand the method correctly you just play
the other two doz from the 4th result back, betting flat.

Two ideas/thoughts.

1) In the interest of finding a starting point I have played with even props playing the next to last result. Hoping that basically I would stay even. It sort of works, while at times slowly
crawling in one direction or another (it usually is in the direction of negative). My hope then,
is to play a mild progression to offset this as well as generating a profit. Maybe increasing my
bet to 2 units if I an negative 2 or 3, and then coming back somehow. An extended D'alenbert of some type.  But I don't have anything solid yet. Just like in a similar vein to this dozens idea,  that it is well under control. Which is the point I am seeing.

2) There is another approach where you can play a labby cancellation with a simple 1 unit bet increase on both dozens bet.
What this accomplishes is that a labby only needs> 50% wins to conclude a cancellation, up against a selection method
that has a 66% probability of hitting. Definitely turning the odds of cancelling a run in your favor.

Two slightly different notions. But I wonder what thought or feedback anyone has to agree with or expand on these.

ALan
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 06:27 PM 2015
this looks good

chris is right, gr8 progression on double dozens is a good idea
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: Chris555p on Mar 13, 04:40 AM 2015
@ RG

Another very good progression for Double dozen is:

1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
5-5
6-6

Move up one level on a loss; On a win reset to 1-1 or if u not too scared drop one level each
time after a win......lol lol

Give it a shot, u may be nicely surprised.......

Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 13, 06:26 AM 2015
I like

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3

For double dozens. If after 5 bets down go up next level

I will try it with washoo2

I have not try this strategy yet
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: Chris555p on Mar 13, 07:01 AM 2015
Already tried it; but far too slow for recovery for my taste...........lol lol
Title: Re: Two dozen method by TurboGenius
Post by: RouletteGhost on Mar 15, 04:25 PM 2015
how is the betting against the dozens on a rolling basis working out?