Hi all,
I have always felt that the HG was lurking somewhere on a forum (this forum?) I have always liked betting both outcomes as you are bound to be right, but using differential staking. The main problem seems to be that one side or the other get out balance. I have seen a suggestion that if the difference gets to 10, swop over stakes to mainly winning side. My suggestion is use double streets (equivalent to E/C) so 3 double streets each side but varying which ones. Therefore A will be: 1/3/5 then 2/4/6 then 2/3/6 then 3/4/5 etc. etc. whatever combination that you fancy and B exact opposite (double streets jump around quite a bit and that is why I have chosen them) I have found this way of playing to be very easy and profitable (though not 100`s) With this method the diff. stakes are kept down and in fact in my limited testing has never gone more than 6 units. Only tried it on live.
Good luck Bleep24 (Brian)
I like it Brian. It maybe takes out enough of the mechanicalness of the system to give us a fighting chance.
I was just getting ready to post a progression method for betting 5 Lines at once when I saw this topic. So, rather than post it here and mess your topic up, I'll start a new one.
GLC
Brian
I saw the movie!
Your idea has tons of potential. How would one keep it all straight?
Sam
Brian, I too believe there is some merit to swapping to better-performing sides of an equation. So as not to re-create the wheel, you might want to read some of the feedback that came from various posters on my earlier post along the same lines:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9054.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9054.0)
Quote from: Colbster on Feb 09, 09:50 PM 2015
Brian, I too believe there is some merit to swapping to better-performing sides of an equation. So as not to re-create the wheel, you might want to read some of the feedback that came from various posters on my earlier post along the same lines:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9054.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9054.0)
Yes Brian, a lot of territory was covered by Colbster and the forum in that topic. Well worth reading. It's pretty lengthy, but a lot of the posts can be skipped since it's the normal chit chat that sneaks into all interesting topics.
GLC
Hi and thanks for your input. Yes I read Colbster`s post/ thread which is how I came about my idea so really Colbster`s with a tweak. Praise to Colbster and thanks. When looking for systems/methods a lot of good input/ideas have been posted previously (sometimes years ago)
so look to the past for the future.
I am finding using the tweak it is evening out spin results. I only look to win about 60 units per day (when I am playing) and this way is the best that I have ever used and safest from big progressions. I know that members do not like back testing but in this case I think that it has relevance and I have found in past Live spin sessions that I have checked the result has always ended with both sides within a few spins of each other thus being a winner.
Good luck to everyone (Bleep24) Brian
How often are you varying the 3 doublestreets? Do you keep them until you make a profit then change? Or do you change in every spin? And how do you pick them? Randomly?
Hi,
I change the pattern for every spin. I have a sheet with the patterns on but basically just jumble the 6 possibilities for each spin. You could write patterns on a card and pull a card out randomly each time or whatever. It is the variance of D/S`s that makes this spread out the wins over both sides of the equation.
Good luck Bleep24
Hi all,
Do not forget that this is differential betting. If there is a balance of say 2 units on a side, then it is 2 units on each of the 3 chosen D/S. D/S pay 6 to 1 odds. 3 x 2 = 6units - a win gives 12units. Loss = -6units I am using progression +1/-1.
Regards, Bleep24
Brian
I'm slow as cold molasses in Siberia, so let me put it in a way I can understand and you (or anyone) tell me if I have it right.
Suppose we divided the carpet at dead center with 18 numbers right and left of our line. Big vs small numbers. Are you saying to bet the three lines that comprise big/little with a D'Alembert? After the first bet you turn on "The Jumbalator" and jumble the line numbers so that instead of 1 2 3 4 5 6 you might get 5 2 1 3 4 6? So 5 2 1 would be bet the same as the old 1 2 3?
Is that the gist of it?
Sam
Hi,
Busy at moment but will post a fuller reply to-night. Do not forget that it is best (as always) to play on French roulette or no zero roulette to minimize losses.
Regards.
Hello Sam.
You are nearly right but do not forget that we are differential betting so although we are moving up or down 1, we are also calculating the difference between the 2 sides and which ever side that the larger number is on, we bet our 3 random streets on that side with the number of units that we have calculated. e.g 2units on each of the 3 streets. If both numbers are equal - no bet. If you hit a zero move both sides up 1 unit
Streets are the normal where a number between 1-6 is street no.1 numbers between 7-12 is street no. 2
Hope this clears up a few queries that I have received.
Regards, Bleep24
Hi, here is an example taken from actual live play.
There are 2 sides to the equation. I will call them side A and side B.
Side A random sequences: 1/3/5 - 2/4/6 - 1/4/5 - 3/5/6 - 4/5/6 - 2/3/5 - 1/4/6 - 3/5/6 - 2/3/5 - 4/5/6 - 1/2/5 - 1/3/6 - 2/3/5 - 1/4/6
Side B random sequences: 2/4/6 - 1/3/5 - 2/3/6 - 1/2/4 - 1/2/3 - 1/4/6 - 2/3/5 - 1/2/4 - 1/4/6 - 1/2/3 - 3/4/6 - 2/4/5 - 1/4/6 - 2/3/5
Spin outcomes: 13 25 16 18 17 19 24 11 10 19 25 19 3 3 (This equals street: 3 5 3 3 3 4 4 2 2 4 5 4 1 1)
We work as a starter for our calculations side A 1 unit - side B 2 units for beginning of a session. Difference is 1 unit side B so we place 1 unit on our 3 random streets which in this case is 2/4/6 and a loss of 3 units because no. 13 (street 3) came out. For next bet side A stays at 1 unit because that side won (even though we were not betting on it) Side B add 1 unit to out starter of 2 because it lost.
So we have side A 1 unit and side B 3units - calculate difference which is 2 units on Side B x 3 streets 1/3/5 It is no.25 and a win for side B. Next bet increase side A by 1 unit as it lost and decrease side B by 1 unit as it won. Recalculate and it gives a no bet as both A and B are 2 units. Wait for spin result and calculate next bet according to what came out. Thats all there is to it. Move up/down 1 unit. Calculate difference and bet on the 3 random streets on the side that has the difference. Simples!!
Not got a clue with this I must be stupid
I think brian means lines or DS - not "streets"
Looks interesting.
A.
Hi Joiner29,
I didn`t want to say that but!! Go back to beginning of thread and re-read all posts. It should all become very clear and this is a great method.
Good luck. Bleep24
am i right?
start side a 1 unit and side b 2 units
a b
13 3 aw -3 246 135
25 5 bw 9 145 236
16 3 bw 0 356 124
18 3 aw 9
what to bet when zero shows?
stay same level or increase both +1?
Brian Bleep
I get it!! Random is like a wolf at the door. We keep moving the door!!
Thanks.
Sam
Hi RFMAXX,
After a zero I increase both sides by 1 unit but this is a personal choice and you could just as easy stay at previous level. It will still work out.
Hi RFMAXX,
Yes youv`e got the idea now.
Hi everyone
Would it be possible for someone who fully understand the system correctly to put a sample of about
20 spins as to how to select which 3 DS to bet more; and which 3 DS to bet less pls....?
Thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Hello Chris555p,
It is not a case of which D/S`s to pick more or pick less. It is purely random choosing. You can make the D/s. series up as you go along,
pre-write a sheet with them on or whatever other way you can think of. It is purely the randomness of the selections that matters. Look back at a post I made earlier and there are series of selections. Just copy those if you like and just keep repeating the series for as long as you like. Do not forget if for instance side A is 2/5/6 then side B is 1/3/4 and it is differential betting so that the side with the biggest number on it, is the side that we are betting on. (we are purely doing it this way to even out wins to either side so that stakes do not get too high)
Any other queries just ask.
Good luck (Bleep24)
Sorry - I'd like to request that someone who understands post an example session?
Say about 10-20 results and with a zero included?
Need to see this in operation to fully grasp the gist of it and make sure to play it right.
Thanks in advance,
A.
ok...later i will post some spins. :thumbsup:
Brian - Thanks for the reply. However, I looked back at the previous post as u suggested and I still don't
see the betting selection process properly nor the amount of units to be bet on each DS. I don't think that
I'm the only one who has difficulties understanding the system.
It would be of great assistance if you or someone else who has a full understanding of the bet selection
and the amount to be bet on each of the 6 DS put a sample of about 20 spins explaining which DS to bet;
no. of units to be bet on each DS etc.... so it can be clear for everyone, and proper testing can be performed,
thanks.
Cheers
Chris
see excel. should be clear.
read his instructions again.
to my surprise it recovers from large dd.
dont know what to think.
a lot of tracking, deep hole. slow grind. cant imagine playing that with big stake.
or played it totally wrong :thumbsup:
Hello Chris555p,
Do not know if you have got it yet but the post I was referring to is no.12 on this thread. Look for examples of series for side A and for side B. You can use those ones if you like or any random combinations of the 6 D/S. Any 3 for side A and the remaining ones for side B therefore for 1st spin side A - 1/4/6 - side B would be 2/3/5. You only use the 3 D/S on which ever side of the equation after deducting the stakes of each side and then betting that amount on each of the 3 D/S on that side. Stakes are worked out by a theoretical 1 unit side A and 2 units side B only when starting a session. Take 1 from 2 and you are left with 1. As the remaining amount is on side B in this instance you would bet 1 unit on D/S`s 2/3/5. Progression is +1/-1 therefore in this example if side B won we would keep theoretical progression unit as 1 because it is -1 on a win but 1 is our lowest so we stay on 1. Side A lost but we were not betting on that side so we increase by 1. We now calculate difference between side A (which is now 2) and side B which is 1. This gives us a difference of 1 and that was the largest number therefore we are betting side A - 1 unit on the 3 randomly chosen D/S`s. Just +1/-1 depending on win or loss, calculate which side largest remaining number is on and bet that number of units on each of the 3 randomly chosen D/S`s for the next bets.
Hello RFMAXX,
Only tracking necessary is progression numbers. You can make up which 3 D/s`s to bet after you have calculated difference and which side it is on. It is working for me and I have not had any large DD`s. What DD`s have you had? My most are about 20 units max. which is if you lose on 1st spin -3 units. 2nd spin -6 units 3rd spin -9 units = -18 units. Wins are pretty evenly spread over both sides. My last series for example was: +3 -3 -3 +6 -6 +9 -3 +9 +3 -3 +9 +3 -3 +9 -3 +9 -3 +9 Won 42 units You can start the session using 0 and 1 if you like and this will keep units down. When a side wins and it was 1 unit then minus 1 unit and 0 is the calculation number to use next. Do not forget that you are betting for example 1 unit on each of 3 random D/S`s. Payoff is 6 units therefore a profit of 3 units on a win.
Good luck Bleep24
@Brian & Rfmaxx - oki thanks
static groups a= ds 1,5,6 and b = 2,3,4 work better for me. (its on tabelle 3)
more tests coming. wheel layout might be interesting.
Well, this can be simplified. You have the progression from differential betting - keep it- and then just chose 3 random DS to bet next.
Am I rigth?
wheel layout testing (tabelle 2)
Hllo Vladir,
Yes you can play it that way. I do not say that my way is the only way. I sometimes think that systems/methods fall apart because people try to be TO CLEVER - the system/method becomes to confusing so no one plays it and it goes by the wayside (until the next BIG thing comes along. There is nothing wrong in suggesting tweaks and it is up to members to decide if it seems OK. But if the wheel ain`t broken don`t fix it.
Good luck everyone.
But if the wheel ain`t broken don`t fix it.
Obama says, "If the wheel ain't broken, keep fixing it until it is."
I should stop..................
TwoCat
Hi everyone,
I liked the look of Vladir`s idea. Play any 3 randomly chosen D/S`s and use +1/-1 progression. Forget differential and side A/B etc.
I have just tried this and I am not going to list the random streets that I used, just the W/L.
WLWWLWLWLWWLLLWLWWLLLWWLLWWLLWWWWWW = 20Wins versus 15 losses. It resulted in a win of 66 units. It went +27 units then back down to 0 then finished with a run of 6wins ending plus 66 units. Quite impressive. This shows how the power of the random D/S`s is. You could use 1/3/5 and 2/4/6 alternating repeatedly but that is not what I did.
Anyone going to test this and post results?
Do you change streets every bet or keep playing the same ones until new profit
Hi,
Change street selection for every bet.
Be careful outthere coz I have seen ds 135 vs 246 alternating about 12 times in a row exluding
the big green......lol
If u are betting on the wrong 3 ds there can be a lot of L's in a row.......even though u are changing
ds every spin.....
Hi Chris555p,
I have noted what you said but I am not playing 1/3/5 - 2/4/6. I am jumbling them more than that though we all know that there is no certainty about anything to do with roulette, but looking back I have not found strings of losses so this seems a very easy system to play and not requiring too large a bankroll with losses recoverable and not using labby so that`s a bonus. There is minimal tracking and if is played no zero or en-prison then that bit should not be too much of a problem either. With the E/C`s you can get 10 or 12 or even 14 occasionally but I`ve never seen those numbers of D/S`s come out in a row. It is the randomness of the D/S`s that I think is the strength of this method
Going to do 30 spins on Wm. Hill live and will post results later.
Cheers.
Hi all,
Just played 30 spins on Wm.Hill Live. 16 losing spins - 14 winning spins which is roughly 50/50 so what I would expect. Ended up +24 units though it was higher in the middle of play and did fall to -6 but soon recovered. One advantage that we have over the casino is that we can stop playing when ever we want. Maybe with this set a target of say 20 units and stop. Restart where ever and whenever.. . I was using jumbling to pick D/S`s. Highest unit to bet was 5 (3 x 5 = 15) You do not have to get back to betting 1 unit to be in profit which is nice though it will depend on L/W`s.
Good luck.
I used to play the same 3 DS. 1 from each dozen. Ive seen 12 misses in a row. So alternating may be a good idea
Hi!
I was thinking if 3 random Ds could produce good results why not random ec H,L,R,B,O,E
so i did 3 test, i played different ec every spin, just 3 sessions with about 50 spins each.
First flatbet
Second +1/-1
Third trioplay
The result:
Flatbet:
wllwwlllwll
ll:lwllw
wwlwllwlll
::llww
:wllwllw =27w-24L=+3 units
+1/-1
wlwlwwlwwl
wll:lllw
l:ll:l
llwl:wwl
wwlwllwlwl 28w-22L=+25 units
Trioplay
lwwlwlwllw
llwlwwllww
:wwlwlww
l:llwlww
llwllllwlw
wlwllww 31w-26L=+10 units
Nice so far!
agesta
Hello Rouletteghost,
Yes I have seen the same thing about repeating that is why it is so important to jumble up. Jumbling doesn`t change odds from 50/50 but it tries to space out wins/losses evenly so that progression does not escalate out of hand.
Good luck
Hi Agesta,
Thanks for posting those results. Yes I have tried the way you did and it is still 50/50. Sometimes I had some very good results, sometimes not. I was playing in blocks of 12 and sometimes you would only hit 2 correct, other times ten out of 12. Do not know why but results seemed to come in waves of lots of wins then lots of losses whereas it (in theory) should have been more even. I played this over 1 year ago and I cannot remember what progression (if any) I was using so a bit more testing. On the face of it I cannot see flat betting winning unless you have a lucky streak then quit. There are lots of good ideas on here in MM which I certainly did not know about years ago so perhaps check them out.
Good luck
It`s all gone quiet over here.
I thought that some members would have given this a go. Playing randomly 3 D/S`s with +1/-! progression. Anyway, I have just played 25 spins - 13 losing/12 winning. It did veer from losing (not a lot!!) to winning and I ended up 24 units in front. This method seems pretty strong and I will be using it as the backbone of my future betting judged on it`s recent performance. You are going to be very unlucky with this not to come out in front. A different progression (using levels, for instance) could make this a great method because of the 50/50 outcomes.
Brian
I'm off to the casino this afternoon to try this a bit. Even had Random.org select my streets for me so I couldn't pollute the process.
I'll report.
Sam
@ Brian - One question, say if DS 1235 u are betting 2 units x 3= 6 units. On DS 246 u are betting
1 unit x 3 = 3 units. If the big green comes u loose 9 units. Can u explain Why not simply bet 1 unit
on DS 135 and forget DS 246....? Thanks.
Chris
Your post totally confused me. I understood Brian to say you only bet three lines.
My understanding is this: Break the carpet into A and B or whatever. If A needed 10 units and B needed 5, you would only bet 5 on A as you would lose 5 if a won and you had bet B. Plus the zero(s) wipes you out doubly.
That's the way I'm going to play. Hope it's right.
Sma
Brian.
Could you please Post ur Numbers?
Want to Test it with my tweak.
Thx
@ Sam - Despite me and Atlantis having already requested it, up to now, there is no clear
guidelines as to how to play the system correctly with a sample of about 20 spins; explaining which
DS to bet; how much to bet etc.....
Although there is a spreadsheet posted in one of the previous post , it is however quite unclear for
the vast majority of members; and the lack of test results clearly demonstrates this opinion.
Until someone post a sample of about 20 numbers explaining clearly which DS to bet; how much to bet
on each DS, with clear explanation etc....I'm afraid that everyone will continue to have a different understanding;
and everyone will continue to be all confused as we much as we are more than anything else.......
Hi all, I now think that Vladir`s suggestion is easiest and best now. Forget side A/side B and differential betting. Play any 3 jumbled D/S`s starting with 1 unit. Up 1 on a loss/down 1 on a win. Base bet = 1 unit.
Here is my jumbled 3 D/S`s from a past session: 1/3/5-2/4/6-3/5/6-2/4/5-1/2/6-4/5/6-2/3/5-2/4/6-3/5/6-2/3/4-1/4/5 -4/5/6-2/3/5-1/4/6-2/3/5-1/3/6-3/4/5-2/3/6-1/4/5-3/5/6-2/3/5-1/2/3-2/4/6-3/4/5-1/3/6-4/5/6-2/3/5-1/4/6-2/3/5-1/3/6-1/2/5
Here are D/S number that came out: 4L1L3W1L2W5W2W5L2L4W1W3L3W4W6L1W2L4L1W6W4L5L2W6L2L6W4L1W5W2L1W 15L/16W
Staking per D/S. Start 1L 2L 3W 2L 3W 2W 1W 1L 2L 3W 2W 1L 2W 1W 1L 2W 1L 2L 3W 2W 1L 2L 3W 2L 3L 4W 3L 4W 3W 2L 3W (Number is units bet on each of the 3 D/S hence 3 x 3 = 9 units total bet
If you work it all out it should go something like this: -3 -6 +9 -6 +9 +6 +3 -3 -6 +9 +6 -3 +6 +3 -3 +6 -3 -6 +3 +6 -3 -6 +9 -6 -9 +12 -9 +12 +9 -6 +9 + 36 units (NB: we are not trying to recover previous losses on 1 spin) A +9 means 3 x 3 bet and 3 x 6 = 18 - 9
Hope this gives everyone something to chew on. Whilst I`ve been typing this I could have been playing and winning ????
Good luck and give it a try lets hear how it goes.
Hi Chris555p,
Hope my extensive post clears up any ambiguity over what to play and how to play. You can pick the D/S`s yourself as you go if for instance you notice mostly low (or High) D/S`s coming out put more emphasis on those to try to boost winning percentage, it is entirely up you. I have stuck with +1/-! progression because up to now it has worked and is easy to record, but there are some very good progressions in MM which I think would suit this method admirably because of the 50/50 win/loss factor. I`ll only change if the 1/1 breaks as this keeps stakes relatively reasonable, and any losses should be easily recouped.
Cheers (Bleep24)
Hi,
Play on no zero or French roulette to stop/minimize losses.
@ Brian - Thanks for the clarification; In your tests, what is the maximum of L's in a row did u have before having
a win.
For progression a very safe, profitable progression that I use for ec is simply bet in group of 7. After 7 bets, if in minus
bet 2 units until recovered then drop back to 1 unit etc....
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chris555p,
Thanks for that info. Max L`s that I have had so far is 5 so nothing that isn`t manageable, but we all know that anything can and does happen. If it does go over 5 then I will probably look at some other progression. GLC has certainly posted some very interesting ones.
Regards.
Did a very quick preliminary test
Alternated between DS 1, 3, 5 and 2, 4, 6 each spin
Spin 1- DS 1 3 and 5
Spin 2- DS 2 4 and 6
Spin 3- DS 1 3 and 5
Spin 4- DS 2 4 and 6
So on and so forth alternating each spin
Do results using negative progression 1, 2, 4
Unless if u have a br like the Queen of England, don't bother
doing that .......lol lol
I played this at Riverwind and must have played it wrong.
I ask this question: My lines are A=2,4,6; B=1,3,5. What is my first bet? Exactly how many units and where.
Thanks
Sam
Sam. You can Choose one Side randomly.
Or Walt for First Spin and Bet repeater or opposite.
A 2 b 1 or b 2 a 1 is always the Start: 1 Unit on 3 ds
Be careful out there with this way of betting, coz when u encounter a long zig zag of about 12 times
135 and 246, we can kiss the br goodbye....... :-[
Extensive testing has demonstrated that there is no edge in playing 135 vs 246.
Extensive testing has demonstrated that there is no edge in playing 135 vs 246
That is exactly what I found at Riverwind yesterday.
Sam
As ive said in the past choosing 1 DS from each dozen and playing as an EC just doesnt see the same losing streaks as the other EC. Most ive seen is 12. 15 or more for other EC. If played right can be profitable
Hi,
Like all roulette outcomes things vary. I have just tested 1/3/5 - 2/4/6 and ended 22W and 17L. Longest losing run 3 - once. I also played another session of 36 spins using a random pre-determined sequence. It ended at 19W - 17L. On the way it hit 7 losses in a row but still recovered (eventually) Before the 7L it was obvious that mainly 4/5/6 D/S`s were hitting and if I had been picking D/S`s as I went I would have picked 4/5/6. Out of the 7L five were in 4/5/6 so perhaps there is a lesson here as we have all noticed a bias towards a certain side quite frequently.
Hope this helps.
I have tested this sort of bet selection extensively and based upon testing results
I'm sorry to say, there is not edge playing this way. When wins occur it is pure luck
nothing else......... ;)
With this sort of bet selection, what we win today, we simply loose tomorrow
as simple as that......... :-[
"what we win today, we simply lose tomorrow" >>> Not laughing but pretty much 99% accurate as hell.
Ken
Hi,
I did not use this method to obtain an edge as that is highly unlikely. Results are just down to luck as you say. What I was looking for was 50/50 WL and to even them out without any long losing chains. I am going to experiment a bit with a few MM ideas and see where it goes. I still think that this can work (is this a triumph of hope over reality!!!) Watch this space.
Regards, Bleep24
Furthermore, If it was as simple as that to win consistently, everyone will be playing roulette
and we'll all be rich by next tuesday..... :)
Gentlemen.....
I only speak for myself: If you're hoping to make tons of cash--forget it! If you're playing to have some fun and see how long you can juggle the nerf balls, it can be downright rewarding. If you're juggling chainsaws--not so much fun.
Sam
Totally agree with Sam; Unless u have a br like the queen of England forget it;
Be careful of the falling chainsaw.....
Hi,
There seems to be quite a bit of negativity on here. No one said making money at roulette was easy, but then again fire eating is not easy but it does not stop people trying and doing it. There are ways to make money with roulette but it can take a large bankroll to ride out losses (provided you do not come up against casino limits) so it would be more beneficial to everyone if that creativity was directed in the right direction: ie; more ideas to test etc.
Cheers.
Hi all,
Frightened everyone off from the looks of things HaHa. I have re-worked the last 2 sessions that I posted earlier using GLC`s Logical Progression and this has worked fine on those examples. Any comments?
could you explain progression
Hi,
Look in Money Management (this forum) Logical Progression by GLC. Basically it is looking at results from previous 6 (what I used) or 10 . Count how many spins you won and depending on the number, move up, or down or stay where you are. Read the post for clearer and more full explanation. It makes things safer but winnings will take longer (As is the case with all grind type MM`s)
Cheers
Hi all,
Have been looking at some of the ideas posted on here recently. One thing for sure, they have been consistent or inconsistent. That made me return to my posted idea of playing 3 D/S`s. Progression +1/-1 I am now playing D/S`s 1/2/3 then 4/5/6 alternating. This seems to be quite good. I look at first number spun and place it in either 1/2/3 or 4/5/6 and use whichever it is for my starting bet. (first time only) then just follow on alternating.
Hi Bleep!
Am i wrong or is this the same as just altering high or low for every spin,
and then play with some kind of progression?
I did a test with trioplay and that turned out scary but the way you played stayed ok in my short test.
Cheers Agesta
Hi Agesta,
Yes it is the same. When playing E/C`s (even on Live play) I have seen 10/12 even 14 in a chain so that is what f**** it up. Much more variation with D/S`s. Most I have seen is seven and was easily recoverable (that was playing varying 3 D/S`s) whereas now I am playing 1/2/3 - 4/5/6 alternating. Seems much better.
Good luck
Hi everyone (that`s if there`s anyone there)
Postings seem very thin on the ground at the moment. Could it be that everyone has discovered the HG and is too busy coining it in to post!! Anyway, I am playing the 3 x D/S`s 1/2/3 - 4/5/6 alternating - +1/-1 and I am doing quite nicely, thank you. I know that this has not been tested 50 zillion, million, trillion spins but what I have made up to now gives me a cushion against anything untoward happening, so my advice is get down and bogie with this and put some dosh in your pocket. Suggest BR 200 units as there can be some losing runs but everyone that I have encountered has recovered by playing on. Nearly always it works out 50/50 winning/losing spins so it is playing to average which is all that is needed to come out ahead in the end.
Good luck (Bleep24) P.S made 200 units yesterday :) :) :)
I this the reason that why the comments is very thin is due to the fact the method u mentioned is as old as the hill......;
and it tanks very badly as simple as that......; Why waste time, energy with a loosing method when during this time
$ can be milked from Mr Casino with high quality methods without any ifs, whens or buts etc..........?? :D
I went through all this with a guy named FLAT and various FLAT names and other names and--hey--he may be reading this!!
He bet the oldest six streets when they hit and the newest when they hit. Granted you had good runs, but it would go new/old/new/old for a long time. Flippin' and a'floppin'
I had a sheet made for Stef's robot and tested this out the wazoo....
Yep, over time, it lost just like others.
At first, I thought this was something different. I quickly learned different.
Good luck to any who play it for real.
Samster
i Chris555p,
Yes I know that it`s as old as the hills but 99.9% of the ideas on here are also. What system/method are you using? Have been playing to-night and won another 50 units so it`s not all bad news. With my recent winnings I can now put in a reasonably high stop loss if I feel like it and I will still be in front. What`s not to like about that?
Cheers, Bleep24
Hi Chris555p,
Correct me if I`m wrong but I cannot remember you posting any systems/methods. I do however recall you posting that playing on D/S`s
was on the right track for playing to win.
Cheers, Bleep24
Hello TwoCatSam,
Yes a lot of winning is down to luck but how do you decide. If I went to a casino last week and won £1000 but to-day played and lost £300 would that be classed as bad or good? I am playing 1/2/3/- 4/5/6 alternating and yes what causes losing bets is chopping but playing live the chops usually only last for 6/7 times mostly so are recoverable and a stop loss can be set also we can stop betting when we feel like it and then start again if we want to. Also only bet after triggers or a certain number of losses so we do have a few weapons in our arsenal.
Reading your post the person was not playing 3 D/S`s alternating.
Cheers Bleep24
@Bleep 24 - If u check my posts u will have some very ideas of the methods I play. If u look the
methods posted by Flat; Vile; Iboa (same person I believe); Hermes u will be on the right track
as well.
I realize that they did not describe 100% of the winning methods; their own tweaks etc.......;
But who does that on a public forum anyway.........?? However, if u study closely their methods about 90% of
the information is there, the rest of the 10% u will have to work it out for yourself.
Hello all,
Just played 48 spins Live Wm. Hill. won 63 units. Longest consecutive loss 5. I could have reset a few times to 1 base unit if I had wanted but I just played it through. Could have quit earlier with not too many less won units. I am now up over 500 units this week - long may it last.
Good luck.
Bleep
If you can do it, I am happy for you.
As one who has learned the hard way, consider you may be riding an anomaly. Simply said, you are lucky enough to have sit down or logged on at just the right time. Some other time could be disastrous.
Still, I wish you good fortune.
Sam
Hi TwoCatSam,
Yeah, we all know how it can go but playing this morning and won 63 units. Nice. I was down about 100 units at one time but I just played through it and came out the other side. It is not all straight. up and I am relying on law of averages that says this way of betting should be 50/50. I now have a bit of a cushion so can be a bit more confident playing. Also I look at spin history to see how numbers have been coming out. This obviously is no guarantee what future numbers will be but if you can get a good start it helps. (and you can always pack in after a good run - even a short one) I have had quite a few +10 +12 units and then stopped. The only way to find out if it is any good is to suck it and see. All systems/methods can be played virtual so there really is no excuse for not doing so. I have seen some systems written off but it was being played on RNG and we all know what that means. Also some reason or other why it did not work but no proof. I have played several systems and they have been reasonably good but you had to accept a loss of 36 units (sometimes several times) but came good in the end if you played long enough.
Cheers.
Hi everyone,
Well my luck (if that is what it is) is still holding. I cannot believe how well I am doing. I have just done 17 spins for +27 units and yesterday 19 spins for +39 units. What I think is making this a success is starting off on the right foot. I know it should be random but I identify the pattern and go from there. What I mean is I look at 10 numbers from spin history and mark them Low (1/2/3) or High (4/5/6). For example: L H L L H H L H H L I now mark off how these results would fit in to playing L/H alternating. So firstly if I started with low it would go: WWWLLWWWLL If I started HLHLHLHLHL it would go: LLLWWLLLWW. Obviously the first pattern has 6 winners and 4 losers whereas with the 2nd pattern it is the reverse so from my 11th real bet I would be betting L as per 1st pattern then H 12th bet and so on. Do not know why it seems to work but up to now it mainly has. What helps with this system is the theoretical 50/50 distribution and also that according to figures 75% of numbers are in chains therefore in a chain of say 7 numbers we will hit either 3 or 4 correct.
Good luck to everyone.
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 02, 04:17 PM 2015
Hi everyone,
Well my luck (if that is what it is) is still holding. I cannot believe how well I am doing. I have just done 17 spins for +27 units and yesterday 19 spins for +39 units. What I think is making this a success is starting off on the right foot. I know it should be random but I identify the pattern and go from there. What I mean is I look at 10 numbers from spin history and mark them Low (1/2/3) or High (4/5/6). For example: L H L L H H L H H L I now mark off how these results would fit in to playing L/H alternating. So firstly if I started with low it would go: WWWLLWWWLL If I started HLHLHLHLHL it would go: LLLWWLLLWW. Obviously the first pattern has 6 winners and 4 losers whereas with the 2nd pattern it is the reverse so from my 11th real bet I would be betting L as per 1st pattern then H 12th bet and so on. Do not know why it seems to work but up to now it mainly has. What helps with this system is the theoretical 50/50 distribution and also that according to figures 75% of numbers are in chains therefore in a chain of say 7 numbers we will hit either 3 or 4 correct.
Good luck to everyone.
Quick question... if you still play with starting bet of 1, and go +1 on a win/-1 on aloss, how can you win +27 in 17 and +39 in 19? Or did I misunderstand the way you bet???
. Hi,
Odds on D/s`s are 6/1 (Inc. stake) therefore bet 3 x 1 win = +3. Lose -3 New bet 3 x 2 win +6 lose 6 bet 3 x 3 lose - 9 win +9 now bet 3 x 2 win +6 lose -6 now bet 3 x 1 win +3 lose -3. So LLWWW -3 -6 +9 +6 +3 (+9 units overall) So LLLWWW -3 -6 -9
+12 +9 +6 (Win +9 overall)
Simples.
Good luck
. Hi,
Odds on D/s`s are 6/1 (Inc. stake) therefore bet 3 x 1 win = +3. Lose -3 New bet 3 x 2 win +6 lose 6 bet 3 x 3 lose - 9 win +9 now bet 3 x 2 win +6 lose -6 now bet 3 x 1 win +3 lose -3. So LLWWW -3 -6 +9 +6 +3 (+9 units overall) So LLLWWW -3 -6 -9
+12 +9 +6 (Win +9 overall)
Simples.
Good luck
OK, sorry, my bad, I thought you had completly switched over to playing hi/low, forgot you were still playing it as insde bet, thatnks for the clarification!
Hi Brian
Been watching the 1st18/2nd 18 and does extremely well. The +1/-1 some times gets high,lets say you've lost 6 on the bounce,win with 7th bet,now some times seen it come down by 2 wins,but lose next three, so do you think if get to 7 units would it be better to minus 2, to get back quicker to a smaller unit, or just play on.
NTH
Hi,
Yes same thing has happened to me. I had a terrible run but persevered and eventually it all came good. I understand what you are saying but even doing what you said might not prove to be a quick fix so my gut feeling is plod on and with a combination of 50/50, chains and a possible dealer change in our favour it should all come good (eventually!!) BTW it is amazing what dealer signature has on results. I was trialing a different system and it was not going too well. Change of dealer and the winning results took off like a rocket.. If I play that I will be examining past history before playing. I am still playing original and doing OK but the bad run has put a bit of a dampener on it, though I am still well,well in front. As I have said previously, we cannot expect to win every session, but if the system/method wins more than loses then to me it is a winner. I have played several ways where you would lose 36 units, then win 24 units, win 20 units, lose 36 units, win 30 units, win 20 units. Nothing wrong with this way - quit when you are ahead.
Good luck.
Brian example off getting out of hand so would a bigger minus than 1 be the answer.
33-h w
5-l w
21-h w
14-l w
5-h
2-l w
8-h
26-l
34-h w
31-l so we'll play H,L
31-h w
22-l
35-h w
28-l
33-h w
16-l w
31-h w
28-l
25-h w
19-l so w l w l w w w l w l so we end on 1 unit good
0-h
6-l w
17- h
16- l w
18- h
34- l
21- h w
25- l
13-h
20- l so l w l w l l w l l l end on 5 units
9- h
1- l w
13- h
36- l
26- h w
1- l w
7- h
3- l w
10- h
20- l so l w l l w w l w l l end the spins on 7 units, so we start our 10 spins on 6 units and end on 7, when we finished the
previous 10 spins on 5 units, when we got the win, should we have droped 2 units to 5, in this 10 spins if we drop 2
units we'd end on 3 units in stead of 7 units.
the running count for the 40 spins is 19 wins 21 miss but one spin is zero, so 19/20
11- h
8- l w
36- h w
6- l w
20- h w
30- l
29- h w
3- l w
1- h
15-l w so if i was right and previous 10 spins ended 7 units and like Brian recommends play on, think we'd end on 5 units.
We'd have 26 wins out the 50 spins, make that 20 wins less the six at the first 10 spins.
Hope my workings are okay, if correct would it be better to drop 2 or even 3 units ?
Jimmie B if you see this KTF ends +3 at the end of the 40 spins.
Oh yes forgot to say this rng in Corals global draw.
Hi Notophammer,
I never play on RNG - too many bad experiences.
Do not know what system you are playing: is it just H/L +1/-1 system? You should be playing 3 x D/S`s: 1/2/3 - 4/5/6 alternating. I know H/L is same thing but different, if you follow what I mean. Looking at the 30 spins that you posted with alt. D/s`s you would have come out 69 units in front.(£10. per point =( +£690 hahaha) Not to be sniffed at for 30 minutes work!! I suggest you re-work your spins using D/S alt. +1/-1 and see if you come to same answer as me. If not I will post workings for you. Let me know. (10p per unit = +£6.90 hahaha)
Good luck.
Hi,
Sorry, just realised I only looked at first 40 spins but +69 units was correct.
Cheers
Hi,
Taking same 40 spins using H/L +1/-1 I reckon wins net 23 units profit.
Hi Brian
using +1/-1
so spins 11 to 20, would end on 1 unit *3 alternating H,L.
Like we said can get large units to back, like in spins 21 to 30, would end betting 5units *3. So now depending on profit (b/r) would it be better to carry on +1 to next win, then drop -2 or 3 units to get back to just 1 unit, for saking some bigger wins when coming down
Hi Notophammer,
Personally I would just play on. It depends on what your`e unit value is. If it is 10p then 3 x 5 x 10 = £1.50 Not a large stake. If you drop back more then it just takes longer to get back into profit so it`s swings and roundabouts and horses for courses as they say. As long as you are winning what does it matter. I think most people on here would like to win either 69 or 23 units. Start small BR and build up.
At 10p units a BR of £20. should suffice.
Good luck. Brian
Hi,
Has anyone noticed the co-relation between what I posted earlier: win 23 units - win 69 units. 3 x 23 = 69. So play either way. Less stakes equals less won and conversely.
Cheers
Hello Nottophammer,
I was playing yesterday and had a run of 8 losses in a row so you can appreciate that the stake had risen quite a bit. I considered quitting or reducing size of stake but did neither. Then along came 4 wins, l loss, 3 wins, 1 loss, again I could have quit or reduced size of stake but did neither because when I analysed afterwards I would not have won my losses back doing that. I played on and eventually came out in front. total spins = 119 1 zero 59 wins/59 losses so shows how rule/law of averages was correct (this time, anyway) Have you looked at differential betting (staking) good post on here about it (might have been by Colbster) One feature was if losing say up to 10 units then swap selection round but you and I both know Sod`s law and what will happen after we have swopped.
Good luck
Hello Brian
Yes to switch or not.
those 50 spins,there is a case to switch,but really why bother. Those 50 spins,if you look at 1st 20 spins gone,the h,l we are playing is 12 wins 8 lost, +2 on the 50/50 ratio,(so should we switch as 3 more wins in next 10 is 15, half the 30 spins), but if you switch L needs 7 wins to maintain 50/50 ratio and gave more wins, know all this is happening afterwards but we need to try and think about whether the switch would be favorable
Hi Nottophammer,
Ah, that is the question. The switching relates to differential betting so probably not appropriate for what we are doing, but never say never: it is a question of what works best. Personally I like to play on through even if the stakes get a bit higher and rely on 50/50 averaging to pull things round. I was suggesting that you look at differential betting and maybe give it a try. If I get time I will have a look at those spins that you posted and try diff. on them though I do not think that I will have time this week as I am staying with relatives `Darn South` for a funeral.
Cheers (Bleep24) Brian
Been playing with alternating DS yesterday and today on Fairway Casino. Around +140 chips profit right now playing with Fun money. I don't agree with the BR of 20 though. I would say a BR between 50-100 playing with 10p chips is much better. Recovery is good so far.
what layout of DS sam plain old H&L or 1,3,5 then 2,4,6
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 08, 09:02 PM 2015
what layout of DS sam plain old H&L or 1,3,5 then 2,4,6
Plain old H&L, nottophammer
Hey guys.
I've been playing this for about a week to good success. I play it onHigh/Low, with +1 on a loss/-1 on a win, with the following tweaks:
- I start with a base bet of 2 units instead of 1
- I check the last 10 to see whether I start on High or Low (whichever would have won more)
- if I lose 4 bets in a row, I switch my bets (so basically, I replay my last bet +1 and alternate from there)
- the +1/-1 are used until I'm in profit for each "mini session" then I get back to my base bet (so let's say I lose 4 bets in a row, I'm at -14, then win the next 3 bets which puts me back at +1, so the next bet will not be 3 but 2 (my base bet))
- My maximum bet is +11 (so 10 steps basically since I start at 2), so each session has a bankroll of 65 units
- Whenever I get to the 7th bet or more, on a win I still switch H/L, still do the -1 but I will parlay my win once (in order to get back in profit earlier); so let's say I win the 7th bet on high (8 units), the next bet will be 15 units (7 units + 8 units parlay) on low; if I win, next bet will be 6 units on high, if I lose, 8 units instead
- I play on a given table until I have won 6 "mini session" (so times in profit), then I switch tables (personnal preference)
Stay lucky everyone!
Hey Noreilles,
Switching after losing 4 bets in a row is a good idea.
I'm going to try that out.
Playing the original way can get out of hand quickly if you play on long enough.
Today I got a session I would need a very big BR for. And more than 20 chips per spin.
Didn't play through to see if it would recover.
+42 on first try switching after 4 losses.
Switching 1 2 3 and 4 5 6 ks betting high low?
Can you explain how you are playing? Thanks, i like to test
ghost have 10 spins, then find whether h,l or l,h wins more spins
1st 10 spins yesterday
actual H,L L,H
11 L H L win
11 L L win H
21 H H win L
8 L L Win H
19 H H Win L
21 H L H Win
1 L H L win
36 H L H win
17 L H L win
21 H L H win so start betting L,H as L,H has 6 wins. The actual spins ended 50/50.
Now the next 10 spins for L,H are a nightmare, but if you do like Noreilles suggested , you'll
see.
actual H,L L,H
35 h h win L
18 L L win H
22 H H win L
3 L L win H Now Noreilles and SamNL switch here, but you know what usually happens,sod law
31 H H win L
26 H L H win now be wondering if should carried on with L,H
21 H H win L
18 L L win H
29 H H win L
12 L L win H so the switch was correct . the actual run is H11, L9 a difference of
1 to 50/50
here are the rest of the numbers
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0
21
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15
6
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20
33
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30
13
12
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30
20
24
8
Played for Fun chips at DB yesterday.
Had a really easy session.
+165 switching after 4 losses.
I did use another progression yesterday.
Normy made an Excelsheet with a progression for playing HL which I have attached to this post that I used yesterday.
All credits go to Normy for this sheet.
if i understand this right it could also be used for bacc or other even chances
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 12, 02:44 PM 2015
if i understand this right it could also be used for bacc or other even chances
Tom, Good to hear from you. You look like you haven't aged a day since your last post, just like me.
Yes, it should work as well or maybe even better with baccarat and pass/don't pass. BJ? though it's close to an even chance, I'd run it through some trials before risking it on BJ.
GLC
would blackjack be two betting lines ,betting to win ?
hi george
The answer to that question's over my pay grade.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9991.msg87797 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9991.msg87797)
was ralph on to something good
bri
as SamNL said,when the H,L changes order, do you change. would you change say after 4 losses or keep plugging away. Today H,L fits the game play, but after 46 spins the L,H is winning at L=27 H=17,0= 2,
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im confused as to how this works
but here is what i am doing for testing
switching between 1, 3, 5 and 2, 4, 6 every single spin
spin 1: 1 3 5
spin 2: 2 4 6
repeat
i am doing this with +1/-1.......
im not optiministic because every DS system i have tried failed
we shall see
RG
use DS 1,2,3 then ds 4,5,6 and keep repeating
thats high and low
Good luck with it....... :o
how is life of brian different from switching between high and low
same as high low so.......
bet a chip on low then high continuously switching
on 4 losses in a row switch sides
how is everyone playing this? +1/-1 or or continuously +1?
had good results today with fun money
start on low 1 unit, switching between low and high every spin
+1/-1 and 4 losses in a row i "switch" sides by betting on the same spot again then switching after
good little system
with $5 chips $200 bankroll with $10 chips $400 bankroll sufficient?
will also try +1/-2
There is a link on the net which contains about 200 similar system that has been floating on the net
for years and guess what, not a single one of them works......lol lol :o
Chris. Lately on the forum all u do is comment that the strategies dont work. What do u contribute?
I did a test with LOB with RX.
Graph says it all.
No progression will save this RFH.
So a SL would definitely be needed with LOB because the RFH will come.
That RFH is brutal. Actually all RFH's are brutal, that's why they're called RFH's!
We must all remember that if there's a spin result on any bet that if it hits it will cause you to lose, there is always the possibility that enough of them will hit close enough together to eat up our bankroll or reach the table limits. If it's a very safe system then the RFH will take a very long time to develop. The wheel knows no time. A very long time and a short time, 10 spins or a thousand spins, it's all the same to the wheel. I can testify to this personally.
As many of you may remember, I have played my version of Full Trioplay tames the mongoose for a couple of years with steady gains. I thought it was invincible. My stop loss is 300 units and I've had a 300 unit loss here and there, but the last couple of weeks I lost 2 attacks for 300 units each then I won a couple of sessions for 50 units each and then I lost 2 more attacks for 300 units each. That's a net loss of 1100 units. Almost wiped out all my past winnings.
Not to worry, they were 25 cent units on my double zero airball machine and I didn't lose any of my own money, just the casino's money.
I think I'll take a break from roulette for a while. My favorite system turned on me. :'( I need to find a hidden shelter like a wounded wolf would and wait for my wounds to heal.
Nathan Detroit's right when he says to play for entertainment purposes only!
Cheers to all,
GLC
George
I'm always appreciate of a person's honesty. Sorry to hear of your misfortune. We've all been there.
Sam
GLC wow thats bad news,
TCS, Matrix 7 playing vertical behaving itself in the uk bookies, +1/-1, if one getting out of hand ,like you said split it,brilliant
1100 unit at quarter units is 275 bucks. I lose that in a weekend
HAHA
Glc ingot a matrix system u can use to won it all back
;)
@ GLC - loosing a few battles from time to time is ok; The most important thing is to win the war my friend ;)
uk bookies
Because of some chicken-heel politicians back in 2006 or 2007, I can't play the bookies. I play the Indians!
Oklahoma is reaching the point of having more Indian casinos than whore houses. (Well, so I'm told!!)
Sam
New york state has 7 casino licenses to give out. And resorts better get one cause im sick of airball i want LIVE
Don't know if it's true, but I've read somewhere than by playing airball we increase the l's by about 30% compared to realwheel......
Of those 7 casinos planned for NY state three of them have already been approved Resorts does not meet the requirements to be considered.
Sorry for the bad news.
ND
Well ND lets hope long island gets one.
How the hell doesnt resorts meet requirements? They have a full casino floor with nothing on it
Plus resorts has real roulette and baccarat just no delaer
Pisses me off
Hi SamNL,
That graph shows a RFH but I note that this happened after 400 spins. I only ever go upto about 100 spins max. and sometimes less than that even. Yes a SL is needed but who was up pots of money and did not have the sense to quit when you are (in this instance) well in front. I would have already quit for the night and if I did not like the look of things would have changed table earlier. Playing D/S 1,2,3 alternating with 4,5,6 is the same as high/low. On here differential staking has been discussed also. Playing E/C`s works out about 50/50n an overall but there can be runs in either direction. My experience is that it averages 50/50. I use my favourite prog. +1/-1 Sometimes I bet an E/C usually O/E. I run 2 spins the same/2 spins different alternating. Vast majority of times it works for me and prog. never gets above 10units. Silly but whatever floats your boat as they say. This is just a side-track from LOB. I am still trying to figure out how you could have such a massive loss, perhaps you will fill us in on more details.
Cheers.
Hi guys,
I have been looking back through the posts on LOB. I see that my first post was beginning February so getting on for 3 months now. I have been extremely lucky because guess what, it is still working. Just played 50 spins. W24 L26 Profit 20units. A bad run in the middle of playing but I just ploughed on. Highest bet was 11 units. There was a zero: 2 spins later a zero. A 1: 1 spin later a zero. A zero: 3 spins later a 3. I am not going to tell you why I have mentioned the zero sequence: you will have to search another topic where I have posted about this. So, boohoo to all you naysayers and doom mongers (sound like you are mostly from USA - nuff said) Only joking, I holiday (vacation) in Florida for 5 weeks every year and it is a great place. No, I do not go to casinos over there before you ask.
Good luck (It sounds as though you all need it)
So, boohoo to all you naysayers and doom mongers (sound like you are mostly from USA - nuff said)
Care to explain that statement?
could it be link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15486.msg133461#msg133461 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15486.msg133461#msg133461)
Hi TwoCatSam,
I suggest that you read the post again.
Dr. Watson was drinking in a bar in London. He was a little worse for wear. The barman said to him. Havn`t you any Holmes to go to. Boom! Boom!
Hi Nottophammer,
That sure am could be what I was on about.
Seasoned players from the US don`t shy away from playing the Euro single 0 wheel. Only amateurs are stuck on one wheel.
ND
Quote from: bleep24 on Apr 24, 04:10 PM 2015
Hi guys,
I have been looking back through the posts on LOB. I see that my first post was beginning February so getting on for 3 months now. I have been extremely lucky because guess what, it is still working. Just played 50 spins. W24 L26 Profit 20units. A bad run in the middle of playing but I just ploughed on. Highest bet was 11 units. There was a zero: 2 spins later a zero. A 1: 1 spin later a zero. A zero: 3 spins later a 3. I am not going to tell you why I have mentioned the zero sequence: you will have to search another topic where I have posted about this. So, boohoo to all you naysayers and doom mongers (sound like you are mostly from USA - nuff said) Only joking, I holiday (vacation) in Florida for 5 weeks every year and it is a great place. No, I do not go to casinos over there before you ask.
Good luck (It sounds as though you all need it)
With all the different ways to play it, how have you been playing LOB recently exactly? Still 1-2-3/4-5-6 alternating +1/-1 or...
Thanks in advance for the reply!