Hi guys !
longtime since my last post ! anyways I developed a program and im actually playing it and winning and everything ok !
I just want some opinions of the experts here on what progression is good for this kind of LW, I am now using paroli/paralay
1 1 1 2 2 3 4 and works good but maybe im missing something more efficient :
these my last spins/play from real casino :
Even/ODD bet :
[Number of L ===>: 93
[Number of W ===>: 97
WWLLWWWLWLWLLWLWLWWLWWWLLLWWLLWWLLLWLWWLWLLWWWLWWLLLLWWLWWWWLLLWLWWWLWWLLLWLLWWLLLWWLWWWLWWWLLLWWLWWWWLLLLWLLLLWWWLLLWLWWLLWWLWLLLLWWWWWLWWLLWWLLWLLLLLLLWWWLWLLWLLWWWWLLWLLLLWWWLLWWWWWWLWLLW
[ Longest Win and Lose Streaks]: {'L': 7, 'W': 6}
[L lengths and how many times]:: {1: 19, 2: 13, 3: 7, 4: 5, 7: 1}
[ BetCounter : 190 --- spinCounter : 200
High/Low bets:
[ Number of L ===>: 98
[number of W ===>: 90
WLWWWWLWWLLWWLLLLLLWWLWWLWLLWWWWLLLWWLLWWWWLWLLLLLLWLLWWLWWWLLLWWLLWLLWWLLLWWWLWLLWWLLWWWLLWLLWLLLLWLWWLLLWLWLWLLWWWWWLWWLLLLWLLLWWLLWWLWWLLLWWWLWWWLLLLLWLLLLWLWWWWWLWWLWWWLWWWLLWLLLLLWLLL
[ Longest Win and Lose Streaks]: {'L': 6, 'W': 5}
[L lengths and how many times]: { 1: 17, 2: 13, 3: 7, 4: 3, 5: 2, 6: 2}
[ BetCounter : 188 --- spinCounter : 200
the first one is even/odd bets and second is high/low bets.
max of succesive Ls is 6 in 200 spins, actually I made lots of test on 1000s spins and rarely get to 7 consecutifs Ls!
Hi!
I would have played full trioplay!
cheers agesta
hi agesta! whats trioplay!?
I think I might just invent my own progression..
just made another 200â,¬ ! I coded this program in python , I will port it to java or C++ and make an application in google market for android if you wanna play with it for FREE! . I used complicated algorithms to reach this level of efficiency. the whole week i made between 150â,¬ and 200â,¬ per hour play ! feels great
this below a sample i just played some minutes ago :
for even odd bets longest L streaks were 4 in 100 spins, and only 2 for low/high bets!! I sometime combine the two results and flat bet straight on the numbers generated intersection !
for EVEN/ODD bet
[ L ===>: 40
[ W ===>: 51
[WL]: LLLWWWLWLLWWWLLLWLLWWWWLLLLWWLLWWLWL.............
[ Longest Streaks]: {'L': 4, 'W': 6}
[L length : times]: { 1: 12, 2: 3, 3: 6, 4: 1}
[ BetCounter : 91 --- spinCounter : 109
for LOW/HIGH Bet
[L ===>: 45
[W ===>: 56
[B3 WL]: LLWLWLLWWWLLWWWLLWLWLWLWWLLWLWLLWLWW..........................
[ Longest Streaks]: {'L': 2, 'W': 4}
[L length : times]: {1: 19, 2: 13}
[ BetCounter : 101 --- spinCounter : 109
how come no red/black please just ?
O0
can you explain the strategy?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 04, 08:12 PM 2015
can you explain the strategy?
red black has same distribution as the other EC. I just dnt play it because better chance when I play the Numbers from Low/High intersected with numbers from even/odd .. when I want sometime to flat bet straight on those intersection numbers! when for example I know I have high probability if one of them is at 2L or 3L so next spin will be W about 80% to 90%
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 04, 08:12 PM 2015
can you explain the strategy?
i did some programming based on some algorithms and i bet on those predicted numbers or EC..
my last session 120 spins ! and another +200â,¬
[B0 ]: ---------------------- LOW-HIGH-M -------------------
[B0 WL]: LWWLLLLLWWWLWWWWWWLLWLWLWWLWWLWWLWWWWLLLWWWLLWWLWWWLLWWLLLLWLLWWLWLWLLWWLWLLLWWWWWLLWWLWLLLLWLWWLLWW
[B0 w/l]: 111.0 %
[B0 LongStreaks]: {'L': 5, 'W': 6}
[B0 BEST_L_length:n_times]: {0: 31, 1: 15, 2: 8, 3: 3, 4: 2, 5: 1}
[B0 : BetCounter : 112 --- spinCounter : 121
[B1 ]: ---------------------- EVODD -------------------
[B1 WL]: WLWWWWLLWLWWWLLLWLWLWWWLWWLWWLLWLLLLWWLLWWLLLWLLWWLWWWWLWLWWLWLLLWLWWLWLWLWWWLWWWLWLLWWWLWWLLWLLWLWW
[B1 w/l]: 120.0 %
[B1 LongStreaks]: {'L': 4, 'W': 4}
[B1 BEST_L_length:n_times]: {0: 28, 1: 21, 2: 8, 3: 3, 4: 1}
[B1 : BetCounter : 110 --- spinCounter : 121
but you wont give us the exact rules to replay it?
is the android version coming?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Mar 06, 04:29 AM 2015
but you wont give us the exact rules to replay it?
is the android version coming?
yes when i got more free time.. needs more graphics and stuffs for better look and use..
Hello,
Is it only me for does someone come on here promoting some system or other without giving much detail. It is only 2 weeks ago that that the same thing of a wind up of anticipation only for it to come to nought. Hope I`m wrong but it does not look promising at present. Is this the rouletteforum equivalent of twitter trolls. Is this how they get their kicks?
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 06, 01:00 PM 2015
Hello,
Is it only me for does someone come on here promoting some system or other without giving much detail. It is only 2 weeks ago that that the same thing of a wind up of anticipation only for it to come to nought. Hope I`m wrong but it does not look promising at present. Is this the rouletteforum equivalent of twitter trolls. Is this how they get their kicks?
Those cats are most likely from the gambling " S & M " clan.
T.
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 06, 01:00 PM 2015
Hello,
Is it only me for does someone come on here promoting some system or other without giving much detail. It is only 2 weeks ago that that the same thing of a wind up of anticipation only for it to come to nought. Hope I`m wrong but it does not look promising at present. Is this the rouletteforum equivalent of twitter trolls. Is this how they get their kicks?
is it a provocation or an insult ? i think im registered here years before you and most know who i am. if its a provocation so I tell you my about my program then i tell its not a system its an algorithm i deveoloped and I post always here if I come up with something and post it so the others can give me their opinions if its promising or not. AND if you are insulting me I TELL go fk yourself and troll is u moderfker. dnt fking mess with me.
Whether it's called a strategy, system or algorithm it will never beat roulette. Never.
However, there are numerous systems that can win - the problem is the human factor. When you are winning, you think you can carry on winning and while you have that mindset, roulette will eventually bite you. It comes down to pure luck as to when you stop.
You might have a very sound system which can earn you some good money - but I can promise you that at some point roulette will make you despair.
and this y my last game 370 spins:
[L ===>: 112
[W ===>: 256
[w/l]: 227.0 %
[WL]: WWLLWLWLWLWWLWWWWWWWWWLLWWWLWLWWLWWLWWWLLLWLWWWWLWWWLLLWWWWWLWWWLWLLWLLWWWLWWWLLLWWLWLWWLWWWLLWLWWWWWLWWLWLWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWLLLWWWWWWWWLLWWWWLLWWLLWLLWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLLLLWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWWWLWWLLWWLWLWWLWWWWWWLWWLLWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWWWLWLWLWWWWWLWLWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWLWLLLWWWWWWWLWLWLLLLWLWWWLWLWLWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWLWLLWWWWLWWLWWWWLWLLLWWLWWWLWWWWWWWLLLLWWWWWWLWLWWWLWWWWWWWL
[ LongStreaks]: {'L': 4, 'W': 11}
[L_length:n_times]: {0: 180, 1: 54, 2: 14, 3: 6, 4: 3}
[ BetCounter : 368 --- spinCounter : 371
Quote from: RobbieD on Mar 06, 06:22 PM 2015
Whether it's called a strategy, system or algorithm it will never beat roulette. Never.
However, there are numerous systems that can win - the problem is the human factor. When you are winning, you think you can carry on winning and while you have that mindset, roulette will eventually bite you. It comes down to pure luck as to when you stop.
You might have a very sound system which can earn you some good money - but I can promise you that at some point roulette will make you despair.
true no system or whatever can make you win every time.. but I think when people use some kind of system it just helps their gaming discipline.
I got problem now with my online casino, they send me error message as soon as im on a winning streaks! sometime they say that network or some stupid reason to cut sometimes bet not accepted etc.. I wrote them about their cheat and they replied me that they will investigate that roulette.. lets see
my last 370 spins:
[L ===>: 112
[W ===>: 256
[w/l]: 227.0 %
[WL]:WWLLWLWLWLWWLWWWWWWWWWLLWWWLWLWWLWWLWWWLLLWLWWWWLWWWLLLWWWWWLWWWLWLLWLLWWWLWWWLLLWWLWLWWLWWWLLWLWWWWWLWWLWLWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWLLLWWWWWWWWLLWWWWLLWWLLWLLWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLLLLWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWWWLWWLLWWLWLWWLWWWWWWLWWLLWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWWWLWLWLWWWWWLWLWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWLWLLLWWWWWWWLWLWLLLLWLWWWLWLWLWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWLWLLWWWWLWWLWWWWLWLLLWWLWWWLWWWWWWWLLLLWWWWWWLWLWWWLWWWWWWWL
[ LongStreaks]: {'L': 4, 'W': 11}
[L_length:n_times]: {0: 180, 1: 54, 2: 14, 3: 6, 4: 3}
[ BetCounter : 368 --- spinCounter : 371
No need care to much for people who talk like that. They just frustrated that there own game not work. Sure win 2 sessions and lose 1 and all budget gone. If it works for you J then go for it. Here is one of mine systems. The patience system : wait till a dozen comes 2x. Now bet 10-10 for the 3e spin on the other 2 dozen. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Bet 80-80 for the 4e spin. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Now flatbet 100-100 after a dozen comes 4x en you bet b4 the 5espin. Didn't lose one day yet!!! But you need the patience. That's why u need play big so the waiting is making the good money. Daily bankroll is 1000. So now everybody can stop crying and go to work.
Make a nice contribution to the forum and start a thread with that system
Quote from: denzie on Mar 10, 03:17 AM 2015
No need care to much for people who talk like that. They just frustrated that there own game not work. Sure win 2 sessions and lose 1 and all budget gone. If it works for you J then go for it. Here is one of mine systems. The patience system : wait till a dozen comes 2x. Now bet 10-10 for the 3e spin on the other 2 dozen. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Bet 80-80 for the 4e spin. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Now flatbet 100-100 after a dozen comes 4x en you bet b4 the 5espin. Didn't lose one day yet!!! But you need the patience. That's why u need play big so the waiting is making the good money. Daily bankroll is 1000. So now everybody can stop crying and go to work.
denzie
I don't mean to be rude, but I can't figure out the red parts. Anyone?
Sam
I think what he is doing is after a dozen repeats he bets the other 2 dozens. If he loses his bet he waits for the next trigger of a dozen repeating then bets the other 2 dozens again. If loses he then flat bets till recovery
Sounds like the ultimate system.
Close the Forum - I'll meet you lot in the Bahamas.........
Quote from: denzie on Mar 10, 03:17 AM 2015
wait till a dozen comes 2x. Now bet 10-10 for the 3e spin on the other 2 dozen. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Bet 80-80 for the 4e spin. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Now flatbet 100-100 after a dozen comes 4x en you bet b4 the 5espin. Didn't lose one day yet!!! But you need the patience. That's why u need play big so the waiting is making the good money. Daily bankroll is 1000. So now everybody can stop crying and go to work.
Denzie, when you bet the first 10-10 on dozens and you win at the first attempt, dou you continue betting (all 3 spins)? I think that if I win this 1st spin then is no reason to continue betting, we have 10+ and we can wait for next trigger.
And 100-100 flatbet - how long, how many spins?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 10, 10:18 AM 2015
denzie
I don't mean to be rude, but I can't figure out the red parts. Anyone?
Sam
I believe our friend Denzie is like me, french speaking native. 3e means 3rd, 4e means 4th and 5e means 5th.
So basically, wait for a dozen to hit twice in a row, then bet 10-10 on the 2 other dozens, on a hit retrack since you are +10; if no hit, bet 80-80 on the other 2 dozens, on a hit retrack since you are +60; on a loss... that's where even I get confused. I don't know if you start flatbetting 100-100 right away, or if you wait for the next time a dozen hits 4 times in a row. Could you clarify for us Denzie please?
I think he bets after the trigger. If no hit he waits for next trigger. And he's french, that explains his attitude
Noreilles correct. But my English not perfect. And im FLEMISH roulette"mr im to lazy to try first and wants everything without a breaking a sweat"ghost.
But i was wrong. ... after a dozen repeats 2x then you bet b4 the third spin 10-10. Bingo? Reset. Mis? 40-40. Bingo reset. Mis? 100-100 (all 3 bets follow till u lose betting after the fourth time).bingo ? Reset. Mis? New trigger (dozen comes 4x and now bet 1time b4 the 5th spin) .flatbet 100-100 till profit
And for those big mouths who didn't give us not 1 good system. Sssssttt . And for those who have some brains and not to lazy to try....mis this "patience system" together with "The Denzie System" and there's your "HG".
Like i said b4...those who try can always email me and ask my help. The big mouths well....of course they smart enough and already got there own HG 😋
Mis=mix.
And to give you some idea...yesterday 710â,¬ in 35 minutes. Daily bankroll 1000â,¬ . Mix it and hello "bahamas" mr robby
All
Whether or not he's French or Flemish or Elbonian--makes no difference to the wheel or me.
But..........
If loses he then flat bets till recovery
Come on guys! If that worked, why not just flat bet to begin with? Assume you're $1,000 down and flat bet 'till you're even.
Our friend is riding the wave of an anomaly. He will win for a while and the anomaly will cease and he will lose. Been there; done that. It is almost unbelievable the anomalies that random can produce and how long they will last. Why not ride one, you ask? Well, it's tough to see until it's over!
Then the "woulda-shoulda-coulda" crowd begins to sing.....
Hear me now and believe me later.
TwoCat
Give it a few sessions and then talk again 😊. You could be surprised how many times the dozens repeat 2x and 3x.....then u will see how much it profit ðŸ˜
Quote from: denzie on Mar 10, 03:17 AM 2015
No need care to much for people who talk like that. They just frustrated that there own game not work. Sure win 2 sessions and lose 1 and all budget gone. If it works for you J then go for it. Here is one of mine systems. The patience system : wait till a dozen comes 2x. Now bet 10-10 for the 3e spin on the other 2 dozen. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Bet 80-80 for the 4e spin. Bingo? Wait for next trigger. Mis? Now flatbet 100-100 after a dozen comes 4x en you bet b4 the 5espin. Didn't lose one day yet!!! But you need the patience. That's why u need play big so the waiting is making the good money. Daily bankroll is 1000. So now everybody can stop crying and go to work.
Can you please be a little clearer in your explanation? If you are not good at
English then it doesn't help to be brief and funny.
mogal397, denzie explained it again in post 24 where he pointed out he made a mistake with his first post, it seems pretty straight forward.
Step 1: Wait for a dozen to repeat.
Step 2: First bet is 10:10 on other two dozens, 3rd spin, if win reset and wait for another repeat, if loss go to step 3.
Step 3: Second bet is 40:40 on same two dozens. 4th spin, if win reset and wait for another repeat, if loss go to step 4.
Step 4: Third bet is 100:100 on same two dozens. 5th spin, if win reset and wait for another repeat, if loss go to step 5.
Step 5: Wait for new trigger of a dozen repeating 4 times and flat bet once, 100:100.
Continue doing step 5 until in profit.
That is the gist of how I understand it. IMO you are in deep manure if you have to do step 5 a few times and lose each one.
Guys
If you're going to bet double dozens/columns, the best and safest bet is 1 3 9 27 54 and so on for each dozen/column. What is being explained was called "Relaxed Roulette", a system sold by Itzak Maytata. I bought it for about $30.
This will work for a long time until it doesn't.
The "VLS LW Methodology" uses the same idea and Victor wrote a program for it, which I have and will share with anyone who wants it. I did use that program successfully a few years back.
As I always said, one must log on and "see which way the wind is blowing" before betting. After a while you will get a feel for when the doubles are going to hit for a time. It will look like this: WWWWLWWLWLWWWL. Mostly Ws and few Ls. When it begins looking like this: LLLLWLWWLL....log out and come back later.
One must use "gambler's intelligence" as winkel called it. Just playing like a robot will take you right into the tank.
Hear me now and believe me later.
TwoCat
@Nowun...you explained correct. This is the downside if you go to step 5. But till today didn't failed me yet. Personally i stop play this about 1 hour b4 i stop my session. Otherwise if you unlucky you can keep going for another 3hours. Better make some coffee then .lol. But i guess every system has his good and bad side. Just give it a try .
@TwoCat ...relax? I would be nervous. 188â,¬ invest to win how much? Oooh no way for me. But your right about seeing what the wheel do. Most of the time it comes in waves. If the bad nrs come for the system you playing then wait a bit till the good ones come. Cuz they always come.
denzie
All right, I pulled out the Zuma tester and began looking for three dozens in a row and then the fourth. Before I had won 10 units, I hit four in a row four times. That's a lot of money. Page 29 of the book, if anyone cares.
Again, good luck!!
Sam
What is a "zumatester"? And where can i find it? Not really sure if understand correctly. ... first won 10 units after betting 3 same dozen in a row? And then 4 times 4 in a row come so lose 8 of the 10 units? Or i understand wrong ?
If that's the case then both did good. But i play 100-100 flat. Cuz it need be worth the waiting. So if bet after 4x then u have 400â,¬. If bet after 3x then u have 200. But my stop point is 500...let's say I've 600 or more up...i not go under my 500. Cuz if the bad comes then need keep going for hours again
Just had a quick look through today's table 3 Wiesbaden spins.
5x came 4 times in a row - not good. I Hardly looked long and hard for it!
This type of system is what everyone looks at after a few weeks ofdiscoverin roulette and thinks is great .. We know what happens next
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 20, 02:50 AM 2015
Just had a quick look through today's table 3 Wiesbaden spins.
5x came 4 times in a row - not good. I Hardly looked long and hard for it!
This type of system is what everyone looks at after a few weeks ofdiscoverin roulette and thinks is great .. We know what happens next
I tested using my standard set of Wiesbaden T2 spins from January 2010 and it got very scarey quite quickly, opportunies for big wins, but also big losses.
Ok so u got 4 losses. ....and that's a problem? That means one thing for me...this gonna take some time. B4 i give myself 5 chances and it lost 1 time now. It's just bad feeling if the session start by losing. But you will get back up. Now i win 26/27 days. But i been playing more then few weeks. I play virtually for a month first if i test something. And of course it can lose a session. But the losses compared with the winnings are peanuts. And the day i lose half of my profit then i will stop. Don't worry. ...I've got this.
Ok so u got 4 losses. ....and that's a problem? That means one thing for me...this gonna take some time. B4 i give myself 5 chances and it lost 1 time now. It's just bad feeling if the session start by losing. But you will get back up. Now i win 26/27 days. But i been playing more then few weeks. I play virtually for a month first if i test something. And of course it can lose a session. But the losses compared with the winnings are peanuts. And the day i lose half of my profit then i will stop. Don't worry. ...I've got this.
Excuse me for post twice. Don't forget i play 2-6hours a day non stop. If i win fast then i stop fast. If im in the hole then i know it can take long. But that's no problem. I don't mind. I look tv or workout at same time cuz it's not hard to follow. And my stop point is 10units in the hole and 5 units in profit ....every 3 days I've got my bankroll back. And for those who not like ...bet 1-1 ...next trigger 2-2 .....3-3....4-4....didn't lost also but the profit is not big also
@Denzie - Would u suggest we play flat bet or with the progression 1-1; 2-2; 3-3;4-4 etc....
and after a win do u reset to 1-1 or do u go down 1 each step i.e 3-3; 2-2; 1-1....? Thanks.
What if you first wait for 3 and if lose wait next trigger for 4? Then 5 etc..
@chriss....personally i always flatbet. Cuz it's still does a mighty good job. But the progression didn't lose yet. But the profit some days is low but didn't bust yet. And you never bet more then u need to have 1unit profit. Most days u will not go further then 1-1 and 2-2 ....but let's say u still down 3units...and normally your bet is let's say 6-6....then u bet 4-4 cuz if u win u have 1 unit.
@rewster88... i tried almost all possible ways....and 3x and 4x is the safest. 3x did lose 1time with 5 chances. 4x didn't lose yet. But the 3x makes much more profit cuz they come really a lot. And 4x.....well some days i not even see them or they come 1-2 times.....So personally i go for 3x and then bet 1time...
btw 2x only not work cuz to many 3x.
And don't forget when your in the hole. ..relax keep looking tv and if the trigger comes...attack.
@ Denzie - Thanks; I agree with u concerning the progression coz when betting double dozen the progression can
wipe out a lot of the profit even it may be light progression....lol lol
denzie
Pardon my saying this, but I am beginning to doubt you are actually playing. Here is the reason why: And for those who not like ...bet 1-1 ...next trigger 2-2 .....3-3....4-4....didn't lost also but the profit is not big also
Betting that progression shows a mathematical loss. It must be 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27 and so on to show even one unit of profit. People can do the math and see for themselves, but most already know this.
Flat betting will show a perfectly even game over a billion spins with the loss to zero figured in. It won't win.
The Zuma Tester is a book of 15,000 spins of a 0/00 roulette wheel which were--supposedly--recorded by watching the wheel for however many months it took. Anything that will make it through the Zuma is well worth looking into. Most things won't make it three pages.
Sorry to be such a downer. You keep on truckin'.
TwoCat
OMG TwoCat.....you really said that? The progession is made for hit on the first bet. And if you lose then u bet 2-2 AFTER the next trigger. Hit? Break even. Lose? Wait for next trigger and then 3-3.......etc. It's works just fine. But it's for keep your betsize/bankroll under control. Your progression is suicide. I see u not feel my ways. But as i said...the day i lose half my profit i will let everybody know. I promise.
Oooh and European wheel only of course
Today it lost. So 26/28 days it won with 5 chances. Of course with 10 chances that's another story but then it gonna take to long. Still happy. Sometimes we need to lose also to stay sharp. Still 9000â,¬ up in 28 days. (And with 10 still not lost. For today i stop betting but keep the laptop next to me. Just to see if with 10 chances i come out the hole. So far im going the right direction. 10 units down. Coming from 12)
Well it had out of the hole with 10 chances...after 13hours lol. But 1 unit profit. But i still like as it's easy to play. One day shoot up fast. The other day start with losing but end up good. If u have the time of course.
Quote from: justanothergambler on Mar 06, 10:31 AM 2015
yes when i got more free time.. needs more graphics and stuffs for better look and use..
Just my two cents... Don't worry about looks and graphics. Just make a good interface that allows you to easily and fast input the numbers that come, maybe reset last input number in case of mistake, and give the results on what to bet next, is what you need. Good graphics and "stuffs" are not important for this type of application. Simplicity and speed are preferable.
If you can share it, Ill try it out .
Yo man
It has been a couple of years since your post..
1. I do wonder how did it work or is it working out...
& did you make any adaptations\revisions rhrough this time.
2. I also noted that you mentioned laptop & 'pausing' to catch the intervals...
Were tou playing live onlune casino? my question regarding this point is • keeping the ovetall profits in mind would it pay out & off as well if placing R\B pausing bets with occassional zeroes?