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Hey guys

lately i have been buying some roulette books

Kimo Li was around before I was and seems to no longer be around

is his number prediction book any good?....i think thats what it is anyway, 2 different books for both wheels

thanks

i see he has a website and forum

lots to take in

study time

He outlines a lot of stuff but says nothing.  People who swear by him will not submit to a test to prove it.  He has cute names for different things on the wheel, but he says nothing.

If you know that every number is a "star number" what do you know.  Really? 

I've been on his private hidden sections started by Victor.  He said nothing.

John Legend was a lot more fun!!

OK, stone me!!

TwoCat

Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 03, 06:50 PM 2015
He outlines a lot of stuff but says nothing.  People who swear by him will not submit to a test to prove it.  He has cute names for different things on the wheel, but he says nothing.

If you know that every number is a "star number" what do you know.  Really? 

I've been on his private hidden sections started by Victor.  He said nothing.

John Legend was a lot more fun!!

OK, stone me!!

TwoCat

LOL

thanks sam

the honesty always comes from u, so maybe i wont look into it. i dont feel like spending an entire night chasing something that doesnt exist

thanks again

pretty good explanation here if this is actually it

link:://:.uxsoftware.com/roulette/systems/docs/Kimo_Matrix.pdf (link:://:.uxsoftware.com/roulette/systems/docs/Kimo_Matrix.pdf)

to those who know the kimo li stuff

that link i posted above, is that an easy cheat cheat or is that someones own interpretation?

i wont go crazy trying to learn this but if that link IS in fact it, it is VERY simple

thanks guys

i attached PDF

Heres the euro version

Ghost

Now, mind you, Kimo Li did NOT write that.

I have both his books and have read them.  They say nothing about how to bet.  They talk of arrowheads and things I can't remember.  If you knew everything in those books, I feel there would be no way to apply it.

Stone me!

I argued extensively with Mr. Li asking him how he bet and what were the triggers.  He merely pointed out how mean, ignorant and stupid I was.  Never answered any questions at all.

He is on another of Victor's forums.  He has his own section.  If anyone has every made a dime from his systems, I have not heard of it.

Thank you for this explanation.  Damned if I won't print it and study it.  I'd love to find one pearl amongst the BS this fellow has spread.

TwoCat

He has his own forum to that isnt private but its pretty vacant

Sam, that link i posted probably is not his method. It looks to be someones interpretation of it. I could be wrong though

Whoever wrote that seems to have found a way to apply kimo li's system

So tomorrow i will test it.

Ghost

I realize that it is not his.  I don't know who wrote it.  Do you?

Perhaps the fellow had some success.  Anyway, since I have ragged on Mr. Li for about five years, I am bound to test it myself.  Lord help me, I'd love to report it works.  I would send Kimo Li flowers if I knew where to send them.

I can't help but wonder why--in all these years--the man has never outlined a method of using his books and matrices.   What is the point?

TwoCat

Frankly, I expect one of his acolytes to come on this forum and stone me!

Its a shame when that happens. Not giving rules, etc. But twocat we sure r used to that lol


No clue who wrote it. Its all my google search could muster up

really intrigued

LOOK at these RESULTS

holy moley

link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1240802557/s-all/ (link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1240802557/s-all/)

Hello Sam,

QuoteHe merely pointed out how mean, ignorant and stupid I was.

I have never said you were mean, ignorant, or stupid. If fact, I have never said that to anyone. I did say that there are two kinds of people, one's who get it and those who don't. For example, I would love to learn how to paint or draw, but my lack of skills limits me to drawing stick people. So, in my case, I don't get it. In your case, GPM seems to be a don't get it moment. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is. Here's the irony, I like you, because you strive to know everything about roulette. You test many strategies, you question every angle, and you say it like it is, definitely a man of true character. As much as you criticize me on the forums, I still like you. In fact, that's the reason I sent you my books for free. You are one of three people that received a rare signed copy.

In 2005 and 2007, my books introduced a new philosophy, new language, and innovative ideas on roulette. It was not my intent to write a detailed step by step method. The Matrix was not in my book. I introduced the idea on the forums.

Good fortune to you,

Kimo Li

Kimo,

Im learning your way of betting and have a few questions.

When i track a dealer i always do this

N(nuke)  xx
B(bow)    xxxxxxxxxxxx
H(hemi)   xxxx

This dealer is very clear that he bow-ties.

Sometimes i track a dealer that seems to do this:

N.  Xxxxxx
B.   Xxxxxx
H.   Xxxxxx

Some dealers are very hard to keep track of...how do you handle this?


R

So its one of those things where you read the book and create your own way of play

Kimo, what is your take on the link I shared in this thread. Proper interpretation?

Ah, Mr. Li

Good health and wealth to you, sir. 

Oklahoma's favorite son, Will Rogers, observed of politicians:  Ever notice how when they're talking, they never say anything?  I don't dislike you; I've just never heard you say anything.  Well, about systems and placement of bets and things we come to forums to learn.  Those things.

Once again in your post you say I just don't get it.  Hey, I've been saying that for years.  I'm not the only one.

This is the "in crowd" mentality and is a study in psychology.  The big high muckeldy-muck comes along with an idea.  Someone, wanting to be his sidekick, praises the idea as seminal and profound.  Then, wanting to hop on the bandwagon, others see the "light".  Then Sam comes along and says he's fails to see the light.

"He doesn't get it!!"

I want proof.  Go to a day selected by some member and changed by another and look at Spielbank. (You must rise above suspicion.)   Use those numbers and a complete explanation and you'll have the world's ear.  Until then you're just a jovial old bloviator.

TwoCat

QuoteKimo,

Im learning your way of betting and have a few questions.

When i track a dealer i always do this

N(nuke)  xx
B(bow)    xxxxxxxxxxxx
H(hemi)   xxxx

This dealer is very clear that he bow-ties.

Sometimes i track a dealer that seems to do this:

N.  Xxxxxx
B.   Xxxxxx
H.   Xxxxxx

Some dealers are very hard to keep track of...how do you handle this?


R

Hi R,

This is a perfect example of how you have read the book and learned the language of GPM.

One of the first things you need to do is establish a bankroll. Can it sustain a 12 number betting strategy? What is your target goal?, how much money do you want to make? If you go into a game just to see how many times you can hit, you may as well consider roulette to be entertainment. The key to winning is when you do hit, are you in profit?

Using your example:

N(nuke)  xx
B(bow)    xxxxxxxxxxxx
H(hemi)   xxxx

This means to me that I will be making a lot of money. The question is how?
If you are tracking 12 numbers, you have to hit within two spins to make a profit, three will break you even. So you have to think in terms of three spin increments.

You have 2 (N), 12 (B), and 4 (H). It may look something like the following. This is how it should be tracked in sets of 3, because 12 x 3 equals 36.

HNB 1
BBH 2
NBB 3
BBB 4
BHB 5
BBH 6

So now set 1, win on third spin, flat bet breakeven, with proper progression profit.
set 2 win on first spin
set 3 win on second spin
set 4 win on first spin
set 5 win on first spin
set 6 win on first spin

Everything is based on probability and return on investment (ROI). Notice, I did not have to hit every Bowtie, just one in three spins. This will hold true with your second example. Of course you will encounter a miss or several misses, but that is another topic.

This is a basic way of tracking movements, nine numbers sets of 4 (9 x 4), six numbers sets of 6 (6 x 6).

Good Luck

Kimo Li

Quote
So its one of those things where you read the book and create your own way of play

Kimo, what is your take on the link I shared in this thread. Proper interpretation?

Hi RouletteGhost,

Yes it is one of those things. As far as the thread, sometimes it takes 10 years for people to get it. The thread inspires many and offers disdain to others.

Kimo Li

Sam,

It's actually common sense. If the ball is hitting one side of the wheel 75 percent of the time within a set, where would you put you money? I can play 18 numbers on sections 1, 5, 3 and profit. You are asking, "How the hell do you do that?" The question to ask yourself is "How do I do that?" Surprisingly the answer will come.

You will never hear of anyone who has learned GPM from me privately speaking about what they have learned because they are on non-disclosure agreements, besides they paid for that information.

No proof needed.

Kimo Li

Thanks for the explain! So maybe better to not play this dealer that mixed it up? Also a see many times bowtie and then a close miss wich then becomes hemi..do you whrite it a close miss bowtie or just stick to the pies/ rules and whrite H? What strategy does have the best hitrate?


R

QuoteThanks for the explain! So maybe better to not play this dealer that mixed it up? Also a see many times bowtie and then a close miss wich then becomes hemi..do you whrite it a close miss bowtie or just stick to the pies/ rules and whrite H? What strategy does have the best hitrate?

Hi R,

A close miss does not count as bowtie. The strategy with the best hit rate is the Pinwheel.

Kimo Li

For those who are not familiar with the ball movement concepts on this thread, here is a brief explanation:

Bowtie
Nuke
Hemi

These are three ball movements described in my books. The roulette wheel is divided into 6 sections, labeled (American) 1 5 3 2 6 4, (European) 4 6 8 5 9 7.

Bowtie movement happens when a ball repeats the same section or moves to the opposite section. So, Bowtie 12, for example, if the ball movement repeats from same section (1 to 1 or 2 to 2) or move across from the previous section (1 to 2 or 2 to 1), the ball movement is said to have “Bowtied.”

Hemi movement occurs when a ball moves one section left or right of the previous section. For example, if the last spin was in section 3 (A) the ball falls in either section 5 or 2, the ball is said to have made a Hemi movement.

Nuke movement occurs when a ball moves two sections left or right of the previous section. For example, if the last spin was in section 3 (A) the ball falls in either section 1 or 6, the ball is said to have made a Nuke movement.

Kimo Li

Thanks! im starting to like it! The pinwheel isnt explain very much in the book. Can you explain more about it?

Are you playing it as pro? I mean fulltime?

R

This is the most the man has spoken since I first heard of him.

I will fall silent on this thread and read and study.

Thank you, Mr. Li.

Samster

Hi R,

Yes, I play roulette as a professional, once a month. I make enough to cover necessary expenses, take only what I need, because casinos will ban you if they detect you always win, anything over 2,500.00 per session will raise red flags. However, 500.00 to 1000.00 does not raise a red flag especially at a high end casino.

Kimo Li

QuoteThis is the most the man has spoken since I first heard of him.

I will fall silent on this thread and read and study.

Thank you, Mr. Li.

Samster

You are welcome.

Nice!

I did take a look, so i gues you track H,B,N ... And also keep track of the stars/pinwheel?  Then bet the pinwheel only in the pie you expect it to hit? Or bet al pinwheel wich mos came up like the pie tracking?

R

One question is this tracking done in Kimo Lis' head or pen paper. Thanks

QuoteNice!

I did take a look, so i gues you track H,B,N ... And also keep track of the stars/pinwheel?  Then bet the pinwheel only in the pie you expect it to hit? Or bet al pinwheel wich mos came up like the pie tracking?

R

Hi R,

That is advanced thought.

What you have described is the concept of Eclipse where you merge two strategies to extract certain numbers or characteristics which by the way limits the amount of numbers to bet. However, if I was betting 12 numbers (2 sections) I would place extra chips on the pinwheel characteristics that are due or hot within the 2 sections.

Kimo Li

Hi nottophammer,

Everything is done in the head.

Kimo Li

Kimo,

Did send a pm

Interesting !!

I thought of tracking by pies & stars, but not tracking by movements - Until Now

Thank You

Yes works great! Must say its still pretty hard because dealers change their movements..im now looking whats the better way of play...dealers hot movement or follow the trend. I win allot but also still lose some times because some dealers are not consistent and i start making wrong choices.

R

Example:

Todat on dublin live,

HHBNNBNHBNNBBHBHBNN

H HEMI
B BOWTIE
N NUKE

so no consistent in this dealer. How to play this?

This system sounds stupid, like dealer sig or something, i cant actually believe people fall for it.

Tezza,

I didnt see a system win this much for a while or at all, so pretty worth to look at.

R

I think the most difficult thing of the Kimo Li way is the patience. You spend time to take a look at the dealer and then he is inconsistent. To wait for the good shot and not to play inconsistent dealers is the hardest thing for me. The most time players want action and bets so to overcome this habit is hard.

Yes i had only 3 in 40 session that where real consistent.

Just got back from Vegas, will address questions later, tired.

Kimo Li

Stringbeanpc,
Nice to hear from you.

Tezza,
Show me something of yours that is not stupid.

Interstate89,
Yes, it does take patience, like anything else in life. If one seeks action, they are destine to lose.

Rwester88,
Look at spins in a series of three.

HHB NNB NHB NNB BHB HBN N

HHB
NNB
NHB
NNB
BHB
HBN
N

B hit 6 out of 6 series of three spins
H hit 4 out of 6
N hit 4 out of 6

How to track and bet? Well, I’ll leave it to the math gals and guys.

There are several ways to track: Pick a movement and start; or wait a few spins, depends. It takes a lot of practice and recognizing streaks and patterns.

Kimo Li

Allright thanks, going good now. I only need a good progression .

R

Kimo Li,

Thank You for sharing, nice to hear from you also.

Best Regards

You are welcome. Happy tracking.

Kimo Li

BTW, for those who are not familiar with B, H, N, use the same concept for dozens:

113 223 213 223 313 132 2

113
223
213
223
313
132
2

Kimo Li

I don't see how this dozen play would work in the long run. A dozen can miss for many times. The progression would get out of control very quickly especially if you are betting large stakes like Kimo suggests.

So you have to sign in as limo ki to hide your true identity.

First of all, I never suggested a large progression, nor did I offer any type of betting. I left that for the math gals and guys. Your ruse will not work. I do have betting strategies for dozens but like I said any math person can figure it out. So I suggest you start figuring it out before you claim that a progression will not work.

Kimo Li

Kimo, don't even bother responding to that troll. So many cowards around lately.

Kimo,

How did you play at your vegas trip? Or did you played poker?


R

Geez. Calm down. No offence intended. Maybe you could just explain your strategy for those of us that don't understand.

R,

Members played roulette. I played poker.

Kimo Li

Ok nice,

So if i understand all.. Its all in tracking and the way of attack in couples of 2 or 3?

R

QuoteHe outlines a lot of stuff but says nothing.  People who swear by him will not submit to a test to prove it.  He has cute names for different things on the wheel, but he says nothing.
If you know that every number is a "star number" what do you know.  Really? 
I've been on his private hidden sections started by Victor.  He said nothing.

John Legend was a lot more fun!!

OK, stone me!!
TwoCat

I think Sam pretty well sums it up. Lots of talk but nothing to say.
If  it is possible for Kimo to win playing dozens why bother with all these Hemis, Nukes, Quads, Eclipses, etc.

Quote from: limo ki on May 19, 06:41 PM 2015

I think Sam pretty well sums it up. Lots of talk but nothing to say.
If  it is possible for Kimo to win playing dozens why bother with all these Hemis, Nukes, Quads, Eclipses, etc.

Shh. Shush.

QuoteI think Sam pretty well sums it up. Lots of talk but nothing to say.
If  it is possible for Kimo to win playing dozens why bother with all these Hemis, Nukes, Quads, Eclipses, etc.

Whenever one is making a lot of money on roulette, the casinos studies how you are making that money. So, if you focus on only one strategy, like dozens, and winning all the time, they will ban you. By having an arsenal of strategies and winning a moderate amount, one can stay under the radar.

There is no one holy grail, rather there are a multitude of holy grails.

Kimo Li

R,

QuoteSo if i understand all.. Its all in tracking and the way of attack in couples of 2 or 3?

It's all in tracking in sets of three and betting accordingly.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 19, 09:17 PM 2015
Whenever one is making a lot of money on roulette, the casinos studies how you are making that money. So, if you focus on only one strategy, like dozens, and winning all the time, they will ban you. By having an arsenal of strategies and winning a moderate amount, one can stay under the radar.

There is no one holy grail, rather there are a multitude of holy grails.

Kimo Li

I fully agree with this statement

Good point Kimo !! Thank you.

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There is no one holy grail, rather there are a multitude of holy grails.

Kimo Li
[/quote]

Hi Gentlemen,
I am patternanalys in Kimo Li's forum.
I cant help but register today, just to make   comment here.
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All of us want fast and furious answer from Sensei Li!
But...NO!

Even if Kimo bare all here, most of u cant even understand what he talking about in one day!

================
Actually, Kimo already BARE ALL, in his own forum,
U just need to spend the next three year, yes, three year, to read, and reread for thousand time..., all his posting there, to eventually understand his grail!...THAT THE PRICE U NEED TO PAY!...Not money to Sensei, but time, burning desire, persistent, definite purpose...U have those quality???

Trust me, he telling the truth! U will win, after u really understand THE WAY.

Thanks.

Hi PA,

I see you could not resist the urge to speak about your success. PA has been following my posts for three years now. I have not formally taught him anything. He took it upon himself to find out what the Kimo Li Way was all about. The light came on for him when I posted the Pinwheel strategy. Like he implied, it's simple, but you really have to put in the time.  I think what he is most proud of is that he has not paid me anything and yet he has managed to gain substantial information. He did it the old fashion way. He earned it. Good for you PA. Perhaps you may want to share what you have learned in your journey.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 21, 10:25 AM 2015
Hi PA,

I see you could not resist the urge to speak about your success. PA has been following my posts for three years now. I have not formally taught him anything. He took it upon himself to find out what the Kimo Li Way was all about. The light came on for him when I posted the Pinwheel strategy. Like he implied, it's simple, but you really have to put in the time.  I think what he is most proud of is that he has not paid me anything and yet he has managed to gain substantial information. He did it the old fashion way. He earned it. Good for you PA. Perhaps you may want to share what you have learned in your journey.

Kimo Li

Dear Sensei,
With due respect,

Thank U so much for your reply.
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Sensei is right that I do feel a little 'proud', hehehee.

====================
But I earned them very hard way,
and as Sensei say, I gain, but only,
  "substantial information"...,

nevertheless,
that already very good for me to win constantly!
...albeit on paper..hahahahaaa..

for I still in the testing process.
======================

I promised to myself, and Sensei, that,
I cannot and will not share with anyone,
what I learned, because,

people will not simply understand the concept,
and will not appreciate them.

And people will accuse me of selling , affiliating, and whatever!
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Only people with great interest, and burning desire to learn,
could understand the Kimo Li Way....
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How?...

by reading repeatedly, Sensei's posting in the forums.
The answer already there!!!

I READ them again, and again...for 3years!
===================

Once they understand that the concept,
that always ...

'constantly-hit-within-the-math-expectation",

they will "eureka!!!"..and win roulette in simple way!

BUT, they need to learn, as Sensei say, the HARD old fashion way.

Thanks Sensei.
Wish Sensei good health .
Thanks again.

Hi pa and li :wink:

Its true that it will not come in once. I read the book 2 years ago and gived up on it. A few weeks ago started to read again and a light started to glow above my head. I now only practice with fake money and only playing the globel pie strategy so far. I must say theres something about it that keeps me playing it and after few losses on the beginning i now keep winning with it. I keep practicing till im 100% trusted with it before i go for the real money. The boxing example was a very good compare of how to play this thanks alot!!

R

@ P.A - I luv it, but to understand Sensei properly may I suggest u watch all the Karate
Kid movies a few times during ur spare times...... 8)

QuoteA professional roulette player is much like a professional boxer. The roulette player's nemesis is random numbers. How does one conquer random numbers? The boxer acquires the fundamental skills necessary to compete, jabs, hooks, upper cut etc. and applies certain strategies, depending on the opponent. So too does the roulette player, the player must acquire many skills, not just the basics, things like wheel head number positions, ball movement recognition, trends, pattern recognition, money management, etc.

To defeat one's opponent, a boxer must possess an arsenal of skills. He must learn everything about the opponent's habits and tendencies. Is the boxer aggressive, passive aggressive counter puncher, or multifaceted?

Random numbers behave similarly, tendencies like RRR BB R BBB R, LHLH LLL HH L, OE OE OOO EE O. From the GPM point of view, 4 6 8 5 9 7 or 1 5 3 2 6 4 etc.

The key to winning is to possess the necessary skills of identifying and classifying random numbers and applying specific strategies that will have a favorable outcome.

Most of the time boxers will accumulate points per round to win a match. Many boxers will try and often fail. However, a special boxer, a natural, will come along and possess the necessary skills to achieve a knock out consistently.

Some people are not meant to be boxers.

Kimo Li

Here is what R is talking about.

@ Kimo - Thanks for the very interesting explanation and the very good example u gave in comparing
a pro boxer with a pro roulette player.

Roulette is a random game and it is clear to me that the best way to beat the game is to use strategies
when we are using random to fight random.....

Chris

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 21, 10:25 AM 2015
Hi PA,

I see you could not resist the urge to speak about your success. PA has been following my posts for three years now. I have not formally taught him anything. He took it upon himself to find out what the Kimo Li Way was all about. The light came on for him when I posted the Pinwheel strategy. Like he implied, it's simple, but you really have to put in the time.  I think what he is most proud of is that he has not paid me anything and yet he has managed to gain substantial information. He did it the old fashion way. He earned it. Good for you PA. Perhaps you may want to share what you have learned in your journey.

Kimo Li

Congratulations PA, I am happy for your success and I know that you have worked hard to earn this success.

Hi Gentlemen.
Thanks for your reply, and kind words.

It not success yet, as I not earn a single cent from casino..hahahaaa.
It rather a "Understand or comprehension"

Since I had silently promised  to Sensei Li, not to say anything of what I learned, because I still a novice newbie..
=========================

Then why not we learn from Sensei Kimo Li qoutes, found in forum?!
===========================
As I said early, the answer there in his forum.

We start from the very basic!!!

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"Whether the wheel...BALANCED, or IMBALANCE..
Either way, the casino will lose their edge." KIMO LI.

======================================
Do not move on until u really understand that precious quote!
Lets us DEBATE, what Sensei really mean?
Let see whether u have the burning desire to learn, and conquer the knowledge!

What the real meaning of BALANCED, and IMBALANCE

What will happen IF the Wheel is IMBALANCE...

and what will happen if the wheel BALANCED..???

Why , either way, the casino lose their EDGE???

BALANCED=lose their edge...
IMBALANCE=lose their edge...

WHY,WHY,WHY???
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ps: I not trying to earn any cent from anyone here, if u dont like my posting, just ignore me...your reply bare naked, your EQ, and IQ...and state of psychology.
thanks.

I presume balanced would be nice bow ties all night, imbalance would be more sideways shifting with the spins.

can i ask PA. why study 3 years and never place a bet? If its so you can master what Li goes on about then that could be never. You could study for 20 years and never place a bet. Why? I can understand gaining knowledge for the pleasure of it, but theres better things that roulette theory if it remains just that... theory.

Quote from: P.A on May 22, 01:51 AM 2015
Hi Gentlemen.
Thanks for your reply, and kind words.

It not success yet, as I not earn a single cent from casino..hahahaaa.
It rather a "Understand or comprehension"

Since I had silently promised  to Sensei Li, not to say anything of what I learned, because I still a novice newbie..
=========================

Then why not we learn from Sensei Kimo Li qoutes, found in forum?!
===========================
As I said early, the answer there in his forum.

We start from the very basic!!!

=======================================

"Whether the wheel...BALANCED, or IMBALANCE..
Either way, the casino will lose their edge." KIMO LI.

======================================
Do not move on until u really understand that precious quote!
Lets us DEBATE, what Sensei really mean?
Let see whether u have the burning desire to learn, and conquer the knowledge!

What the real meaning of BALANCED, and IMBALANCE

What will happen IF the Wheel is IMBALANCE...

and what will happen if the wheel BALANCED..???

Why , either way, the casino lose their EDGE???

BALANCED=lose their edge...
IMBALANCE=lose their edge...

WHY,WHY,WHY???
===========================

ps: I not trying to earn any cent from anyone here, if u dont like my posting, just ignore me...your reply bare naked, your EQ, and IQ...and state of psychology.
thanks.

Here we go again.....yet another poster with nothing to show for it, trying to give advice. Right now you do not have a working system, just a theory......nothing more.

Please feel free to read the thousands of pages of theory throughout this forum that went nowhere.

Once again...............TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!

QuoteIf the bull don't sh!t, the bull dies.

PA, I must say. Why don't you play live and win money? You obviously have great bet selection.

Kimo Li

Professional Systems and Advice

People of this generation are lazy. Instant gratification appears to be the driving force behind self satisfaction. I would go on to further say that when it comes to roulette players who seek a strategy that will win without effort, are the same players who cannot remember most phone numbers on their cell phone.

You see, if anyone wants to be successful in roulette, they need to know the landscape of the wheel. Their brain needs to know some kind of reference point in order to calculate predictions. A computer can provide many options; however, have you ever tried to using your cell phone at the table, even if you are only using it to check messages. The pit boss gets right into your face, “Sir, no phones at the table.”

Why is that? The reason is because the casinos know that a computer can make instant calculations and provide optimum predictions for a favorable win. You have a computer. It’s your brain. Like I said, people of this generation are lazy and are quick criticize without having done any research.

You want to be a roulette player? Start by using your computer and memorize the numbers on the roulette wheel so that you have some sense of direction. You will be surprise what your brain can do. Keep in mind that is only the beginning. Lazy minds need not apply.

Kimo Li

Dear Sensei,

Thanks for your suggestion,
I am in the testing process,
to familiarize with the...
win/lose ratio,
staking progression,
and especially,

to expect the unexpected!!!

Only after that,
I will jump in...hehehee

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Hi Gentlemen,

I do not try to give advice,
I just want to, like, some sort of conversation,
among enthusiastic,
sort of "bird of same feather flock together"..

and bird of different feather, difficult to flock together,
thus I avoid,
any war-of-words,
with other different-feather-birds,
so to speak..HAHAHAHAHAAA!
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Before I try to understand the Kimo Li Way,
I need to understand the basic of roulette and basic of gambling.
------------------------

Why most of the gambler lose?

I think...
[I think , mean, this my personal view,
u may disagree, and that also your personal view, hehehe]

1]Their Bet selection that fail to
"constantly-hit-within-the-math-expectation",
in other word, they will face huge VARIANCE!

2]Progression that failed to win,
when facing variance & worst-hit/spins.'
-----------------

Most of the bet-selection, will win, and lose,
depending on luck...because they cant withstand VARIANCE.

Thus the gambler will win large,
when lucky ,
and lose even larger,
when variance hit,
till they lose their underwear!
------------------------

What is math expectation?

In EC, the expectation, is 50/50, albeit zero.
in Dozen, the expectation, is 33/33/33, albeit zero.

[I say , ALBEIT ZERO, zero will hit 3/100]


In the...street, and others..,
err..that u need to figure out yourself.

Thus a good EC Bet-selection,
will always hit within 50% albeit Zero...

[I say "within",
if u do not understand what is 'within',
google that word...]
-------------------------

The worst ever recorded real
actual decision of
RED/BLACK= 69RED/200spins.

And in published, Albalaha's finding,
after 100 millions simulation,

found that worst EC, is 389hit/1000spins!

And worst Dozen=259hit/1000spins!

Worst Dozen=42hit/185sins!
---------------

And if u happen to bet the color
that happen to sleep,
or hit the VARIANCE...that your luck!


So, no average progression will win those
'worst' hit&variance...without horrible staking!

So what the utmost importance?

I think:

'A bet selection that will
constantly hit within the math expectation',
by filtering out the sleeper..and  VARIANCE!

Does this kind of bet selection EXIST?
Yes..they do exist.

one of those, is the SINGLE/SERIES.
U will found that all the "WORST-HIT"
I stated above will bound to produce
"within expectation"...

Do not understand what is Single/series???

Do u expect me to publish all here,
go do the hard way, and hard work,
search the web, U will found the many articles

U will surprised...
after u understand single/series.
How to bet them?
That u need to work hard to understand!
---------------------



until u really understand the basic
of why we win little and lose huge,

only then u move on,
to understand the Kimo Li Way.

Thank.

ps: please understand, I not trying to earn any cent from anyone here, if u dont like my posting, just ignore me...Your reply bare naked, your EQ, and IQ...and state of psychology...
thanks.

QuoteI presume balanced would be nice bow ties all night, imbalance would be more sideways shifting with the spins.

In reference to balance, if the wheel is slightly imbalance (tilted), the ball will favor certain groups of numbers (sections). If the wheel is balanced, then the ball will distribute, over time, equally around the wheel.

So the quote:

QuoteWhether the wheel...BALANCED, or IMBALANCE..
Either way, the casino will lose their edge.

The casino will lose their edge because Global Pie tracks sections of the wheel and can detect if the ball is favoring a section(s). If the wheel is balanced, then the Pinwheel strategy is able to track specific points dispersed equally around the wheel. So, it does not matter if the wheel is balanced or not. There are strategies that can overcome this type of mind set.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 22, 01:09 PM 2015
In reference to balance, if the wheel is slightly imbalance (tilted), the ball will favor certain groups of numbers (sections). If the wheel is balanced, then the ball will distribute, over time, equally around the wheel.

So the quote:

The casino will lose their edge because Global Pie tracks sections of the wheel and can detect if the ball is favoring a section(s). If the wheel is balanced, then the Pinwheel strategy is able to track specific points dispersed equally around the wheel. So, it does not matter if the wheel is balanced or not. There are strategies that can overcome this type of mind set.

Kimo Li

==============================

Ladies and Gentlemen,

My advice, to those who really have burning desire, definite purpose to learn the Kimo Li Way...
=============================

Copy the short lecture above, by Sensei, and keep them in your computer, or print them out...
and then ..

READ THEM REPEATEDLY for the next 30 minutes ...[hey 30minute is very short time, reread and scrutinize every single wording, and try to understand  Sensei message....then reread  daily, until, u..."Ohhh! Ahhhh! Aha! Eureka!!! I understand now!"

Only then, u MOVE ON.

Understanding that lecture alone, already save many days of agony, headache, heartache, frustration and confusion ...


Thank.

ps: please understand, I not trying to earn any cent from anyone here, if u dont like my posting, just ignore me...Your pathetic reply here, bare naked, your EQ, and IQ...and you state of mental psychology stress...
thanks.




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to read more...
:..kimoliroulette..com

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Hi Gentlemen,
Below two more quotes from Sensei,
that u should read and understand before move on.

I will not post anymore ,
as I need time to do more research.

But...Maybe if someone post something,
that I feel irresistible,
or itchy to reply...hahahaa...hehehe..
-------------------------

It is up to u to give up, or
to move on, the choice is yours.
----------------------------
puhleeeez...
just do not go berserk here,
just because u dislike,disbelieve my ,
or someone reply/posting here.
Be a GENTLEMAN.
cool down...
-----------------------------------
Lets debate what Sensei mean.
-----------------------------
==========================
"It is simply a study of patterns and money management to achieve any amount you desire."
Kimo Li
--------------------------------

"Yes, you can see the same patterns in all Global methods, pies and stars."
Kimo Li
------------------------------
thanks.

Exercising Your Brain to See Ball Movement

The most basic ball movement exercise is to study which side of the wheel the ball is favoring. To do that you must have knowledge of the numbers on the wheel, a map, the Global Pie map, American, 1, 5, 3, 2, 6, 4, European, 4, 6, 8, 5, 9, 7.

The American wheel, starting clock wise from the single zero to the double zero are three sections of six numbers labeled 1, 5, 3, also known as the “odd” half. The “even” half begins after the double zero, three sections labeled 2, 6, 4.

The European wheel, starting clockwise from the single zero to the number 10 are three sections of six numbers as well labeled 4, 6, 8 known as the “even” half of the wheel. The odd half begins with number five, three sections labeled 5, 9, 7.

The sections of the wheel are labeled by the number being in the section. For example, number 4 is in section four on the European wheel. There are two exceptions section one and two on the American wheel. Section one is next to the single zero, therefore is called section one. Section two is next to the double zero, hence section two.

So, now you have a reference point. What should you ask yourself? “Is the ball favoring the even side of the wheel or the odd side of the wheel? How do I exploit that information?”

This is a simple exercise to notice ball movement.

Kimo Li

Thanks Sensei for the basic lesson lecture.
===========================
Hi Gentlemen,
Let us discuss and debate Sensei's basic lecture.


I THINK..
{"I think", mean this my personal view.}

I think that, Sensei mean,

when we slice the Euro wheel, from ZERO at the top downward to the border of [no.10&5], we have two parts.[32 to 10=EVEN][5to26=ODD]

Thus, I think...
if the wheel= BALANCED..

then after a long spins, say, 100spins, we will see or track ,that the ball FAVORING, both side at "WITHIN 50/50"ratio, albeit Zero,[zero=1/37],[put a chip at zero, but that another topic]

and, if the wheel IMBALANCE, BIASED, or TILTED.
then we will see the ratio, will greatly, or mildly favoring a single side.

In heavily biased/tilted wheel, we may see,
say 60/40 ratio...or 55/45...
{I had many time, look at 60/40ratio of 300spins of red/black!..in local casino, Genting}

So how are we going to bet the BALANCE or IMBALANCE/BIASED/TILTED wheel?

[Ok, I can heard someone says, the ball may favor the north side, or the south side of the wheel...
or, may only favor certain spots, on the west/east/north/south.....Yes, that a normal occurrences , and that another topic, will be covered by Sensei , of course.]

So after a certain spins of tracking, we will see that the wheel, be well  balanced, and imbalance/biased/tilted.
How are we going to bet?

If the wheel is BALANCED, =50/50 hit, we bet both side will have almost equal hit???

But the VARIANCE in short term, may present!

As although next 100spins=50/50ratio...

We may face, say in next 10 spins, only 1:9 ratio, or 2:8, or 0/10 of even/odd...
or in 30 spins, only 5, 6,7,8 hits, among the 30spins!
----------------------------------------

So how are we going to bet?
Think, think, think hard.

One of the VAGUE solution=series/single,

the other is repeat/ un-repeat strategy...

or trigger, bet, lose, stop....

and the other is wait SKIP variance ,Hit,RUN!

but that another topic too...by Sensei , of course.
====================

Of course, if we see that in 100spins, the wheel favor 50/50, albeit zero, we may win with some GRIND strategy...
====================

The most important!..

is we MUST have, a bet selection that will hit..
WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION,
then any simple progression will do...
Do u understand ?
========================

Above just my personal view, and
if u do not agreed with my view,
please debate gentlemanly,
I always agreed to disagree..

Just dont berserk, run amok, and spew venoms,
this is just a debating forum.
Dont release your pent-up emotion toward me...
puhhleeez...
I am an old man,
cant take your verbal punches...
hahahaaa

Thanks.

I dont think we can talk about an biased or tilted wheel. A new dealer can change the whole game.
If multiple dealers are producing the same type of result at the same table then we can talk about the wheel.

In my opinion a 55/45 ratio at 300 spins is not a big imbalance. A 60/40 sounds better but with more spins the ratio will be smaller.
A limited period of time will produce an imbalance. more spins - less imbalance will be produced

I think Kimo Li takes the dealer as part of the game. If we think about dealer change we will have an timeframe from 0 to 60 spins to find the spot and to attack. new dealer - new game

I89,

I do take the dealer as part of the game, “new dealer, new game.” But something simple as dividing the wheel in half and noticing ratios is just an exercise of ball movement. Betting strategy and applications are dependent on dealer spin patterns and tendencies, especially if one is tracking a specific group of numbers.

Take for example, from the post that describes ball movement of N, H, or B, if a dealer has a tendency to make Hemi movements, then that would be the target. During this observation you notice that the Nuke movement is not occurring as frequently, but as soon as the dealer changes, the Nuke movement begins to show up. That particular dealer, therefore, will yield profits from betting Nuke ball movement.

Kimo Li

Here in the  NE parts of the USA dealer change  occurs  every 20 minutes. You might not see  them again.  At one casino in particular BJ dealers are also included in the rotation process.

Tamino,

I forgot how frequently dealer change occurs, that is a good point. I have been so use to playing with a four spin trigger that dealer change to me is not a factor. But I can see if someone is tracking a particular movement and finds a good rhythm, only to be disrupted by a new dealer, can be frustrating, obviously designed by the casino as a counter measure.

Kimo Li

It certainly is a strong countermeasure by the casinos .  This    20 minute  dealer chnage had been mentioned   over 100 years ago in a Book" Monte Carlo Anectodes"  by V. Bethell  .


This  eliminates Dealer signature approach . Time  to apply another  strategy.


Tamino

There is more than one way to use dealer signature using a highly sophisticated measurement  that is never been written about. So, dealer signature is not antiquated, it has evolved and synthesized into a new species. Please don't ask me to explain. tI took 10 years for players to understand the Global Pie concept. It will probably take another 10 years before I even think about posting this new concept, maybe never. However, dealer signature does exist, if you know what and where to look.

Kimo Li

Kimo Li,

I would never  have asked that question about yiur   advanced Dealer signature. This would be impolite

I am a recreational player well set with my  method of play  I.know   how  to win by keeping losses down.





I am a follower of  the controversial John Patrick.. Nuff said.


Tamino

Kimo,

What type of player are you? I mean do you play a steady progression or do you play the big stack hit and run?

And if you tracked a dealer, say on the moment the dealers favor is hemi ball movement, does this means we keep playing hemi? Or do we change in the game?


R

R,

My style of play is rather eclectic, depending on how much money I need to make. Sometimes I will flat bet, other times I will employ a specific progression to attain what I need. I will play no more than 12 spins per session.

What is interesting is I just move on the next nearest table and start a new process, depending on what is trending, nevertheless, 12 spins only, why, because that is what I only need to win or lose. Yes, lose, it will happen, stop loss. Sounds simple, win more than you will lose. But, such a difficult concept to grasp, especially roulette players whose mission is to seek action with no specific goal in sight.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 25, 12:03 AM 2015
(...), especially roulette players whose mission is to seek action with no specific goal in sight.

Kimo Li

If only more members paid attention to this little gems instead of bashing strategies/systems..

QuoteAnd if you tracked a dealer, say on the moment the dealers favor is hemi ball movement, does this means we keep playing hemi? Or do we change in the game?

Yes, stay on the Hemi. Once the Hemi misses (a set), get off. Then, when you see the Hemi come in twice in a row, start betting the Hemi again. When it misses again, stop and wait for Hemi to hit twice again. This holds true to any of the movements. This style of tracking is called tunnel vision.

Kimo Li

Yes, lots of "golden nuggets" of great information here to learn from.

Hi, I would like to share a basic spreadsheet to the roulette community.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 27, 08:34 PM 2015
Hi, I would like to share a basic spreadsheet to the roulette community.

Kimo Li

Dear Sensei,
With respect.
Please share your most advance spreadsheet.
Thanks in advance.

Gentlemen,
here I think,
what u will find if u studied the PINWHEEL vigorously.
=================

permutation of 012,102,120 etc.
permutation of 300,030,003.
and when zero hit,
permutation of 011,001,020..etc.

Thus after u do a long list of bet, say 300spins, u will see..

series of 201,102,012...etc..PERMUTATION!

and PW111...will come in single or series!

Then u will understand why this a grail!
...but only AFTER u understand the basic of pinwheel, of course.


======================
U will see that the result always near equilibrium!
66/33..
I say..'always near'...
===================

That what we need in a bet selection, a method that always hit in near EQUILIBRIUM...in a long run,say 100spins.

if u do not understand what that word mean, look in a dict.. and reread till u really understand, before u move on.

if u see your bet selection, always veer to positive now, and then negative later, that is same as depending on luck, and no progression will win, if your method hit , say, EC=69hit in 200 spins...
u may see no-hit in 20spins, or only 7 hits in 30 spins!!!


==================
Then how u bet those permutation?

u will see the PW111 hit sporadically among the 201permutation,

and the 201perm,
always hit more than 2  streaks...
that u could use parlay to bet,


or since equilibrium, will always near, any grind will win...

================
above just simple and oversimplified explanation, that will save u many-many midnight oil, and heartache or  banging-head-on-wall..hahahaaaa!
U still need to read and reread many hours just to understand what I mean here.
====================
and there many way to bet..some are short but risky and some are safer, but take longer to win..
depend on your risk appetite.
====================
no!!!!!!
I do not want to sell anything, or  earn any single cent from anyone here.
I just want to share what I THINK, u may dislike my posting, then dont read...
If u like my post, I am happy to share&learn from u.
Thanks.

Below a sample of my research, U will see that the 201permutation,with pw111...

U will see that the 201permutation, will series, more than 2 streaks, that a good chance to..parlay..3times...
=====================







Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
xxxx2001
Gewinnzahlen:


   
   -pw111-1-----   SINGLE1[pw1 ]
---------------------------
   -perm1
    -perm2-----series1
---------------------------
   -pw111 2
   -pw111 3
    -pw111 4-----series2[pw1 ]
---------------------------
  -perm3
   -perm4
   
   -perm5-----series3
---------------------------
  -pw111 5-----   SINGLE2[pw2 ]
---------------------------
  -perm6-----   SINGLE3
---------------------------
   -pw111 6
   -pw111 7-----series4[pw2 ]
---------------------------
    -perm7
   
   -perm8
   
   
   -perm9
    -perm10-----series5
---------------------------
   -pw111 8-----   SINGLE4[pw3 ]
-------------------   --------
   
   
   -perm11
   -perm12
   -perm13-----series6
---------------------------
    -pw1119-----   SINGLE5[pw4 ]
---------------------------
    -perm14
   
   -perm15
   
   -perm16-----series7
---------------------------
   
   
    -pw11110
   -pw111-11-----series8[pw3 ]
---------------------------
    -perm17-----   SINGLE6
---------------------------
   -pw111-12-----SINGLE7[pw5 ]
---------------------------
    -perm18
    -perm19
  -perm20
   -perm21
   
   
   -perm22-----series9
---------------------------
   -pw111-13
   -pw111-14-----series10[pw4 ]
---------------------------

   -perm23-----   SINGLE8
---------------------------
   -pw111-15
    -pw111-16-----series11[pw5 ]
---------------------------
   -perm24
   -perm25
   
-perm26
   perm27
   -perm28-----series12
---------------------------
    -pw111-17
   -pw111-18-----series13[pw6 ]
---------------------------

   perm29
  perm30
   -perm31-----series14
---------------------------
   -pw111-19-----SINGLE9[pw6 ]
---------------------------
   -perm32
   
   -perm33-----series15
---------------------------
   
   -pw111-20
   -pw111-21
    -pw111-22-----series16[pw7 ]
---------------------------
  -perm34
    -perm35
  -perm36
  -perm37-----series17
---------------------------
pw111
   -pw111-23
     lose1-----series18[pw8 ]
---------------------------
   
 
   
   
   -perm38
   -perm39
   -perm40
   -perm41
-perm42
   -perm43
   perm44
   -perm45
   -perm46
   -perm47-----series19
---------------------------
   -pw111-24----- SINGLE10[pw7 ]
---------------------------
   -perm48
    -perm49
   -perm50
   -perm51
   -perm52
   -perm53
perm54
   
   -perm55
-perm56
   
    -perm57
-perm58
   -perm59
    -perm60
  -perm61
   -perm62
   -perm63-----series20
---------------------------
-pw111-25-----   SINGLE11[pw8 ]
---------------------------
   -perm64
-perm65
   -lose2

   
  16B-perm66
   -perm67
-perm68
   -perm69
    -perm70
   -perm71
-perm72
-perm73
   -perm74-----series21
---------------------------
   pw111-26
   -pw111-27-----series22[pw9 ]
---------------------------
   -perm75
    -perm76-----series23
---------------------------
-pw111-----   SINGLE12[pw9 ]
---------------------------
-perm77-----   SINGLE13
---------------------------
   -pw111-28
   -pw111-29-----series24[pw10 ]
---------------------------
    -perm78
   -perm79
   -perm80-----series25
---------------------------
  -pw111-30
   -pw111-31
-pw111-32-----series26[pw11 ]
---------------------------
   -perm81
    -perm82
    -perm83
-perm84
    -perm85-----series27
---------------------------
   
   -pw111-33----SINGLE14[pw10 ]
---------------------------
   -perm86
   -perm87-----series28
---------------------------
   -pw111-34---SINGLE15[pw11 ]
---------------------------
   -perm88
-perm89
-perm90
   -perm91-----series29
---------------------------
    -pw111-35---SINGLE16[pw12 ]
---------------------------
    -perm92
-perm93-----series30
---------------------------
-pw111-36
   -pw111-37---series31[pw12 ]
---------------------------
   -perm94
   -perm95
-perm96
   -perm97
  -perm98
   -perm99
   -perm100-----series32
---------------------------
-pw111-38-----SINGLE17[pw13 ]
---------------------------
   -perm101-----   SINGLE18



above a cut-short 101 attempt, with pw111 hit 38, and 201perm hit 101 time.

PA,

Thanks for the post, but even I don't understand what you are trying to say. Also, sorry but there is no way I am going to post any advanced spreadsheet, not going to happen.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 06, 12:03 PM 2015
For those who are not familiar with the ball movement concepts on this thread, here is a brief explanation:

Bowtie
Nuke
Hemi

These are three ball movements described in my books. The roulette wheel is divided into 6 sections, labeled (American) 1 5 3 2 6 4, (European) 4 6 8 5 9 7.

Bowtie movement happens when a ball repeats the same section or moves to the opposite section. So, Bowtie 12, for example, if the ball movement repeats from same section (1 to 1 or 2 to 2) or move across from the previous section (1 to 2 or 2 to 1), the ball movement is said to have “Bowtied.”

Hemi movement occurs when a ball moves one section left or right of the previous section. For example, if the last spin was in section 3 (A) the ball falls in either section 5 or 2, the ball is said to have made a Hemi movement.

Nuke movement occurs when a ball moves two sections left or right of the previous section. For example, if the last spin was in section 3 (A) the ball falls in either section 1 or 6, the ball is said to have made a Nuke movement.

Kimo Li

Here is the only thing you said that makes some sense, but then, how practical is this to bet in a real casino, how do you track these movement, and how many numbers do you bet? 12 numbers? two sections of 6?? if that is the case, it's still not very practical, it may sound good in theory, but to keep track of these movements and then bet 12 numbers, within 30 seconds or so, that is the timelimit for livetables ?? Theory sounds good, but in reality it's not so good... :/

Hooooooooooboy, ignatus

You in for big trouble!

Its ok Sam,  just kickback grab a beverage maybe some chips or something and enjoy :wink:

Ignatus,

GPM members know the wheel, memorized each section, star number, everything. It is not a problem to place bets or follow ball movement. It is the roulette player who do not know the Global Pie, Global Star that will be confused. This method or any method for that matter take practice, everyday. That is one of the many characteristics of a professional.

It's not easy but possible. It's a road less traveled. Those who do not take that road will never understand.

Sam,

I hope the wild weather has not affected you directly, or your friends or relatives.

bckwrds,

Enjoying your chips and beverage, I presume.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 28, 05:51 PM 2015
PA,

Thanks for the post, but even I don't understand what you are trying to say. Also, sorry but there is no way I am going to post any advanced spreadsheet, not going to happen.

Kimo Li

Hi Gentlemen,

oops! It a bit of to "show-off" on my part..hahahaahaa
Of course, no one can understand ..

I just wanna show how the PINWHEEL, 'tweaked', will always filtered out the variance, and always produce near equilibrium...[hey, I say, always near]...
========================
I am so sorry, 
instead of...

perm
perm
perm
pw111
perm
pw111



the actual should look like this...

[pinwheel: increment of three, bet only the third spin...bet when...]

201
102
021
111
201
111
102
210
111
012

thus u can see that the result will
always streaks of permutation of 201, and   111,
which in long run always near equilibrium...

why equilibrium, because the 111, will always near 33%, and the permutation of 201, will always near 66%, well , almost...it may, or may not equilibrium, but they always play CATCH UP, thus if u do a very long list, u will see  , if flatbet, the win/ lose, will veered to positive and to negative..oscillating...but of course u dont play for 300spins flatbet just trying to win a unit!
===================================

where we could simply bet ..

1]parlay , since the series of MORE than three hit, of permutation of 201, always there for u to see...

2]grind, since the result will always almost 66/33, or 33/66ratio!!!,
it   a guaranteed win in the long run, if the progression/br sturdy enough...

we may even flatbet if, u know how to wait out the variance!

U know how to out wait the VARIANCE?
This is one of the most potent strategy of betting!
[Want to know more about variance?
Go read Albalaha's forum.]

If the imbalance happen to our advantage, we win after a few spin!, and if we happen to hit the disadvantage, the late hit will soon make the losses to minimum....or positive...

We could bet in increment of three,
thus a set of spins will have three set of three increment.

Or bet continuously, as a single set.
--------------------
say, the spins is abcdefghijklmn

three increment as Kimo Li Way=
abc
def
ghi
jkl
------
bcd
efg
hij
klm
------
cde
fgh
ijk
lmn
----------------------------
or...
as a single continuous bet

abc
bcd
cde
def
efg
fgh
ghi
try out yourself.


==================
No! I not a cohort/affiliate with anyone here, or try to earn a single cent from anyone here.

I am not pro..but...
If U  like what I post here, then look forward,

If u dislike , just dont rum amok or run berserk, and spit venom towards me...
Your reply , greatly reflect your pent-up emotion, frustration, disappointment, your low EQ, low IQ, mental depression, inferiority complex, upbringing problem...etc..hahahaaaa

seek, and u may find.
ask, and I try my best to answer.

Mr. Li

Thank you for the kind words.  We have only gotten rain and some erosion.  Nothing major.

Keep up your excellent posting!

TwoCat

Hi Gentlemen,
I try my best to explain my finding to all,
No, I am not affliate or selling anything for any cent!
==================================

PINWHEEL STARTEGY.

let start from the very basic.

say, there 6 pies, and Kimo Li say,
123456 pie,
then bowtie.

pie1&4,
pie2&5,
pie3&6,

=pinwheel.
So there three pinwheel,
look at the image of a wheel, and u will understand...

cannot understand?
well, most beginer need 100hours just to understand these basic!
======================================



Nevertheless, lets move on.

in simple way...

there are three pinwheel,
namely pie 1 and 4, 2&5,3&6..
ok, a simple anology to u to understand....


Let say in a bag, there three tennis balls.
one is green, one is yellow, one is red tennis ball.

pie 1&3=green ball.
pie 2&4=yellow ball.
pie 3&6=red ball.

================
I will draw out a ball before/after u placed a bet, u may bet...

1]bet only one color ball,

2]bet two color ball simutaneously,
ie, bet green and red, or yellow and green, etc.

3]choose not to bet, NO BET.

=======================
we will bet in increment of three.

say,
1st spin.
2nd spin.
3rd spin.
and the probability of hits after 3 spins=

1]All three same color, say, green, green, green, etc.

2]Two color drawn,
say,
green, green, red.
or
red, red, yellow...etc.

3]three different color!
say, green, red, yellow.

so now u understand the probability of three color permutation,
[and take note, there is no ZERO...in this explaination.]

==================
So How To Bet?

I will only show u the basic.


U only bet the third spin,
meanning that u will no bet at the first, and second spin, u only bet the THIRD spin.

say, I draw a ball and REPLACE back the ball into the bag.

1st=red

2nd=red

3rd=here u bet green&yellow.=double bet
=====================================

or u bet the other way...


1st=red

2nd=red

3rd=here u bet RED=single bet.

=================================
=================================
if..

1st=red

2nd=yellow

3rd=here u bet , red and yellow=double bet.

=================
or..

if..

1st=red

2nd=yellow

3rd=here u bet GREEN=single bet.

====================================

what if ZERO hit in the first or second spin???

1st=ZERO

2nd=yellow

3rd=here u ...NO BET

-----------------------
1st=red

2nd=zero

3rd=here u ....no bet....


-------------------------------

with the above example, u will now understand the probability, win/lose ratio probability, and chances of progression..
and of course . that only the basic, u need to spend many hours to reread and learn.

So I hope u understand now, how to bet pinwheel.
But I wonder how many of u will move on with great and burning desire to learn???

The above example already save u many-many hours of headache and heartache of confusion and frustration.


=================
but what is 201,111,003,etc?

ok,
say the previous three spins= green, yellow, green...

thus
green, yellow, green...=


green=2hit, yellow=1hit,red=0 hit,

thus the pinwheel=210...


201=2 green,1 yellow.0 red.

101=1 green,0 yellow,1 red, [zero hit]

300=3green, 0 yellow.,0red.

111=1 green,1 yellow, 1 red....

===========================
so if u do a very long list, say 300spins, in increment of three, u will have 100 attempt to bet.
and u wil see,

example.
201
021
012
102,
101,
200
300
003
111
000
010
001
all the permutation of green,yellow,red,and ZERO!!!


try out yourself!
and u will see that the permutation of 201,102,120, are the majority, and the 111, 100,101, are the minority...
================================

Sensei Kimo Li will say nothing positive or negative, about my article, but of course, he is a pro and a shrewd businessman,..if u a shrewd businessman, and understand creative marketing, u understand what I mean... hehehee

Quote from: P.A on May 29, 12:34 AM 2015

Hi Gentlemen,
I try my best to explain my finding to all,
No, I am not affliate or selling anything for any cent!
==================================

PINWHEEL STARTEGY.

let start from the very basic.

say, there 6 pies, and Kimo Li say,
123456 pie,
then bowtie.

pie1&4,
pie2&5,
pie3&6,

=pinwheel.
So there three pinwheel,
look at the image of a wheel, and u will understand...

cannot understand?
well, most beginer need 100hours just to understand these basic!
==================
So How To Bet?

I will only show u the basic.


U only bet the third spin,
meanning that u will no bet at the first, and second spin, u only bet the THIRD spin.

======================================

so if u do a very long list, say 300spins, in increment of three, u will have 100 attempt to bet.
and u wil see,

example.
201
021
012
102,
101,
200
300
003
111
000
010
001
all the permutation of green,yellow,red,and ZERO!!!


try out yourself!
and u will see that the permutation of 201,102,120, are the majority, and the 111, 100,101, are the minority...

Thanks! If this is true, this is enough info to build a system around Kimo Li-"wheel movement"- philosophy

Hi Gentlemen,
Since I think not many people will have burning desire to spent next ten hours to do a pinwheel result, and to investigate the win/lose ratio...
Thus I post the Hamburg actual, consist of 306 spins, and let u see what I mean of nearly equilibrium, which, are the essense of a grail.
No! The below may...or may not, a grail by your standard, because u not yet to understand the basic, I just want to show how Even the simple bet selection, will produce a near equilibrium result which u may bet to win, with simple progression!






HAMBURG ACTUAL
bet the pinwheel=double bet.

012 
111   LOSS 1
210 
102   
111   LOSS2
120   
201   
021 
021 
201   
201 
101   
030   LOSS3 
012 
012 
111   LOSS 4
111   LOSS 5
102   
120   
012 
111   LOSS6
021 
012 
003   LOSS 7
120   
011   loss zero
111   LOSS 8
300   LOSS  9   
003   LOSS  10
210 
120 
111   LOSS 11
111   LOSS 12
210 
120 
012 
020   
210 
021 
120   
002   LOSS13                                 
120           
102 
110             
111   LOSS 14           
102   
012           
120   
300   LOSS 15     
210               
111   LOSS 16             
120 
111   LOSS17             
210   
210 
012 
102 
102
210   
210 
102           
120                 
120                 
021               
120               
021                   
120     
120                   
012                 
210   
030  LOSS 18           
111  LOSS 19
102         
300  LOSS  20       
120               
003  LOSS  21         
011           
201         
003  LOSS  22         
120   
002  loss zero
300  LOSS 23         
102 
210               
210             
111  LOSS 24             
201                           
012 
111  LOSS 25                 
201   
030  LOSS26                                         
012 
021
111  LOSS 27           
201     
111  LOSS  28           
120 
102 
201
102
012
101  lose 29


above just a simple, pinwheel result...before "VARIANCE AVOIDANCE STRATEGY"...

U may see that they will near equilibrium after a long run, well almost.
And u also noticed that they tend to have long run of 201permutation, only to stop by 300, or 111...thus the parlay strategy will do best.

No! I not selling nor trying to earn any cent here..The above article already save u 100hundreds hour of hair pulling, head banging, and frustration..and midnight oil...heheheee...

Thanks P.A, but the losses would be reduced if you do not bet (on the third spin) when 00,11,22 comes?

@Ignatus.
Kimo Li refuses to answer any single question of mine,  I pump up enough anger to have the fire inside  to have burning desire to learn, and thus I read and reread every single wording of his, in forums....and do thousand of testing, ..by hand, and after hair pulling and wall to head banging, I think the pinwheel strategy is one of the best strategy.
I cant say I have a grail, but almost, because I tweaked, the strategy...

Sensei Kimo Li is a shrewd marketeer, and a man who understand human weaknesses....and psychology of selling...

I am not trying to earn any single cent here.
I can only say, reread every words, for the next 100days, and u will found the EUREKA!!!.

I tried your theory P.A, and i had no success with it. sorry

Pie 1&4"0"= 1,2,4,5,15,16,19,20,21,24,32,33
pie 2&5"1"= 6,9,13,14,17,18,22,25,27,29,31,34
pie 3&6"2"= 3,7,8,10,11,12,23,26,28,30,35,36

110 No bet
113 No bet
101 L
000 No bet
120 W
022 L
112 No bet
120 W
220 No bet
002 No bet
202 L
002 No bet
102 W
211 L
001 No bet
100 L
211 L
211 L
011 L
000 No bet
021 W
021 W
100 L
111 No bet
200 L
022 L
110 No bet
010 L
101 L
212 L
102 W
120 W
200 L
220 No bet
202 L

Hi Gentlemen,
Here I think, what we can do if we arranged, the HEMI, into the series/single chart.

But before that, please read an excerpt from Kimo Li's article.

and after that , please see how I chart them into the series/single chart...and see how we could bet with them...

===========================
ex
KimoLiRoulette said Mar 15, 2012
Roulette ball movement, how does one track something like that? Well if you have been following, you probably have memorized the wheel by now using the six Global Pies. If not, this will not make any sense to you.

The American wheel is divided as 1,5,3 and 2, 6, 4.

The halves are divided by the single zero and the double zero.

So, the most basic movement to notice is which half of the wheel the ball is favoring, using the skip and run tracking.


1 represents 1,5,3
2 represents 2,6,4

XX 1 2

32 1 0
28 1 0
02 0 1
18 0 1
00 0 0
04 0 1
01 1 0
27 0 1
01 1 0
19 0 1
13 1 0
12 0 1
23 0 1
20 1 0
27 0 1
21 0 1
09 1 0
11 1 0
13 1 0
21 0 1
09 1 0
03 1 0
09 1 0
20 1 0
20 1 0
08 0 1
21 0 1
05 1 0
27 0 1
14 0 1
12 0 1
22 1 0
23 0 1
19 0 1
14 0 1
30 1 0
01 1 0
18 0 1
23 0 1
07 1 0
11 1 0
07 1 0
26 1 0
06 0 1
10 0 1
19 0 1
27 0 1
21 0 1
21 0 1
34 1 0
27 0 1
31 0 1
07 1 0
32 1 0
00 0 0
13 1 0
00 0 0
04 0 1
23 0 1
14 0 1
27 0 1
27 0 1
12 0 1
32 1 0
31 0 1
07 1 0
02 0 1
25 0 1
17 1 0
01 1 0
28 1 0
16 0 1
26 1 0
11 1 0
05 1 0
17 1 0
25 0 1
07 1 0
09 1 0
31 0 1
03 1 0
08 0 1
17 1 0
12 0 1
03 1 0
12 0 1
18 0 1
08 0 1
27 0 1
12 0 1
13 1 0
07 1 0
11 1 0
28 1 0
24 1 0
12 0 1
15 1 0
16 0 1
23 0 1
04 0 1
08 0 1
25 0 1
16 0 1
03 1 0
14 0 1
00 0 0
36 1 0
02 0 1
26 1 0
30 1 0
05 1 0
36 1 0
05 1 0
18 0 1
10 0 1
05 1 0
19 0 1
31 0 1
32 1 0
03 1 0
15 1 0
12 0 1
34 1 0
10 0 1
12 0 1
30 1 0
19 0 1
04 0 1
04 0 1
08 0 1
33 0 1
10 0 1
07 1 0
21 0 1
18 0 1
30 1 0
33 0 1
12 0 1
20 1 0
10 0 1
00 0 0
12 0 1
16 0 1
08 0 1
18 0 1
29 0 1
24 1 0
13 1 0
29 0 1
30 1 0
21 0 1
24 1 0
24 1 0
20 1 0
31 0 1
06 0 1
08 0 1
13 1 0
09 1 0
21 0 1
07 1 0
13 1 0
03 1 0
23 0 1
05 1 0
18 0 1
32 1 0
17 1 0
11 1 0
35 0 1
25 0 1
12 0 1
32 1 0
21 0 1
17 1 0
21 0 1
23 0 1
25 0 1
00 0 0
19 0 1
18 0 1
25 0 1
36 1 0
02 0 1
25 0 1
02 0 1
14 0 1
04 0 1
29 0 1
17 1 0
11 1 0
09 1 0
26 1 0
28 1 0
31 0 1
27 0 1
16 0 1
07 1 0
10 0 1
12 0 1
17 1 0
30 1 0
27 0 1
08 0 1
00 0 0
27 0 1
17 1 0
26 1 0
08 0 1
15 1 0
14 0 1
27 0 1
31 0 1
15 1 0
21 0 1
35 0 1
13 1 0
07 1 0
31 0 1
13 1 0
15 1 0
13 1 0
13 1 0
01 1 0
10 0 1
18 0 1
14 0 1
07 1 0
09 1 0
17 1 0
09 1 0
33 0 1
36 1 0
22 1 0
27 0 1
28 1 0
30 1 0
27 0 1
29 0 1
34 1 0
33 0 1
09 1 0
36 1 0
35 0 1
01 1 0
04 0 1
04 0 1
13 1 0
01 1 0
32 1 0
12 0 1
23 0 1
14 0 1
09 1 0
10 0 1
34 1 0
19 0 1
18 0 1
19 0 1
11 1 0
29 0 1
32 1 0
05 1 0
35 0 1
23 0 1
03 1 0
33 0 1
20 1 0
07 1 0
20 1 0
27 0 1
36 1 0
18 0 1
06 0 1
02 0 1
13 1 0
26 1 0
18 0 1
34 1 0
23 0 1
24 1 0
03 1 0
00 0 0
14 0 1
11 1 0
14 0 1
10 0 1
24 1 0
03 1 0
25 0 1
19 0 1
08 0 1
11 1 0
32 1 0
34 1 0
06 0 1
14 0 1
27 0 1
19 0 1
31 0 1
03 1 0
21 0 1
26 1 0
36 1 0
31 0 1
17 1 0
24 1 0
04 0 1
18 0 1
02 0 1
27 0 1
28 1 0
19 0 1
07 1 0
23 0 1
11 1 0
13 1 0
09 1 0
34 1 0
13 1 0
33 0 1
18 0 1
05 1 0
12 0 1
21 0 1
21 0 1
08 0 1
06 0 1
18 0 1
31 0 1
22 1 0
07 1 0
00 0 0
27 0 1
01 1 0
29 0 1
30 1 0
21 0 1
19 0 1
19 0 1
10 0 1
15 1 0
00 0 0
17 1 0
04 0 1
01 1 0
15 1 0
09 1 0
33 0 1
31 0 1
10 0 1
26 1 0
32 1 0
05 1 0
09 1 0
32 1 0
07 1 0
09 1 0
[Last edited May 21, 2015]
Luck is when preparation meets opportunity
==================
Above an excerpt from Kimo Li Forum.

================
Hi Gentlemen,


So if we do a single/series chart with the said Hemi...

A represents 1,5,3
W represents 2,6,4
zero=0
------------------

AA1
WWWW2
A1
W2
A3
W4
A5
WW3
A6
WW4
AAA5
W7
AAAAA6
WW7
A8
WWW8
A9
WWW9
AA10
WW11
AAAA12
WWWWWW13
A10
WW14
AA15
zero
A 11
zero
WWWWWW16
A12
W13
A14
WW17
AAA18
WW19
AAA20
W15
AA21
W16
A17
W18
A19
W20
A21
WWWWW22
A22
AAAA23
W23
A24
WWWWWW24
A25
W26
zero
A27
W28
AAAAA25
WW26
A29
WW27
AAA28
W30
A31
WW29
A32
WWWWWW30
A33
WW31
A34
WW32
A35
W36
zero
WWWWW33
AA34
W37
A38
W39
AAA35
WWW36
AA37
W40
AAA38
W41
A42
W43
AAA39
WWW40
A44
W45
A46
WWW41
zero
WWW42
A47
WWWWWW43
AAAAA44
WWW45
A48
WW46
AA47
WW48
zero
W49
AA49
W50
A51
WWW50
A52
WW51
AA52
W53
AAAAA53
WWW54
AAAA55
W54
AA56
W55
AA57
WW58
A56
W57
AA59
W58
A59
WW60
AAA61
WWW62
A60
W61
A62
WWW63
A63
W64
AA64
WW65
A65
W66
AAA66
W67
A68
WWW67
AA68
W69
A70
W71
AA69
zero
W72
A73
WW70
AA71
WWW72
AAA73
WWWWW74
A74
W75
AA75
W76
AA76
WWWW77
A77
W78
A79
W80
AAAAA78
WW79
A81
WWWWWWW80
AA81
zero
W82
A83
W84
A85
WWWW82
A86
zero
A87
W88
AAA 83
WWW84
AAAAAAA85

thus series=85, single=88,
almost equilibrium....

See what u can do with the HEMI decision, arranged as series/single chart?


ps.I may wrong in the numbering, as u see , old age, and eye-sigh..hehehehe
=============
===============

Hi Gentlemen,
below a clearer version, with the wording..

SINGLE----SERIES...

So if we do a single/series chart with the said Hemi...

A represents 1,5,3
W represents 2,6,4
zero=0
------------------

AA1---series
WWWW2---series
A1-SINGLE
W2-SINGLE
A3-SINGLE
W4-SINGLE
A5-SINGLE
WW3----series
A6-SINGLE
WW4----series
AAA5----series
W7-SINGLE
AAAAA6
WW7----series
A8-SINGLE
WWW8----series
A9-SINGLE
WWW9----series
AA10----series
WW11----series
AAAA12----series
WWWWWW13----series
A10-SINGLE
WW14----series
AA15----series
zero-1
A 11-SINGLE
zero-2
WWWWWW16--series
A12-SINGLE
W13-SINGLE
A14-SINGLE
WW17----series
AAA18----series
WW19----series
AAA20----series
W15-SINGLE
AA21----series
W16-SINGLE
A17-SINGLE
W18-SINGLE
A19-SINGLE
W20-SINGLE
A21-SINGLE
WWWWW22----series
A22-SINGLE
AAAA23----series
W23-SINGLE
A24-SINGLE
WWWWWW24----series
A25-SINGLE
W26-SINGLE
zero-3
A27-SINGLE
W28-SINGLE
AAAAA25----series
WW26----series
A29-SINGLE
WW27----series
AAA28----series
W30-SINGLE
A31-SINGLE
WW29---series
A32-SINGLE
WWWWWW30--series
A33-SINGLE
WW31----series
A34-SINGLE
WW32----series
A35-SINGLE
W36-SINGLE
zero-4
WWWWW33----series
AA34----series
W37-SINGLE
A38-SINGLE
W39-SINGLE
AAA35----series
WWW36----series
AA37----series
W40-SINGLE
AAA38----series
W41-SINGLE
A42-SINGLE
W43-SINGLE
AAA39----series
WWW40----series
A44-SINGLE
W45-SINGLE
A46-SINGLE
WWW41----series
zero-5
WWW42----series
A47-SINGLE
WWWWWW43----series
AAAAA44----series
WWW45----series
A48-SINGLE
WW46----series
AA47----series
WW48----series
zero-7
W49-SINGLE
AA49----series
W50-SINGLE
A51-SINGLE
WWW50----series
A52-SINGLE
WW51----series
AA52----series
W53-SINGLE
AAAAA53---series
WWW54----series
AAAA55----series
W54-SINGLE
AA56----series
W55-SINGLE
AA57----series
WW58----series
A56-SINGLE
W57-SINGLE
AA59----series
W58-SINGLE
A59-SINGLE
WW60----series
AAA61----series
WWW62----series
A60-SINGLE
W61-SINGLE
A62-SINGLE
WWW63----series
A63-SINGLE
W64-SINGLE
AA64----series
WW65----series
A65-SINGLE
W66-SINGLE
AAA66----series
W67-SINGLE
A68-SINGLE
WWW67----series
AA68----series
W69-SINGLE
A70-SINGLE
W71-SINGLE
AA69----series
zero-8
W72-SINGLE
A73-SINGLE
WW70----series
AA71----series
WWW72----series
AAA73----series
WWWWW74
A74-SINGLE
W75-SINGLE
AA75----series
W76-SINGLE
AA76----series
WWWW77----series
A77-SINGLE
W78-SINGLE
A79-SINGLE
W80-SINGLE
AAAAA78----series
WW79----series
A81-SINGLE
WWWWWWW80---series
AA81----series
zero-9
W82-SINGLE
A83-SINGLE
W84-SINGLE
A85-SINGLE
WWWW82----series
A86-SINGLE
zero-10
A87-SINGLE
W88-SINGLE
AAA 83----series
WWW84----series
AAAAAAA85----series

thus series=85, single=88,
almost equilibrium....

See what u can do with the HEMI decision, arranged as series/single chart?

how to win if the result always near equilibrium???
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Quote from: ignatus on May 29, 01:53 AM 2015
Thanks P.A, but the losses would be reduced if you do not bet (on the third spin) when 00,11,22 comes?

I tried your theory P.A, and i had no success with it. sorry

Pie 1&4"0"= 1,2,4,5,15,16,19,20,21,24,32,33
pie 2&5"1"= 6,9,13,14,17,18,22,25,27,29,31,34
pie 3&6"2"= 3,7,8,10,11,12,23,26,28,30,35,36



101 L1

120 W1
022 L2
1
120 W2

202 L3

102 W3
211 L4

100 L5
211 L6
211 L7
011 L8

021 W4
021 W5
100 L9

200 L10
022 L11

010 L12
101 L13
212 L14
102 W6
120 W7
200 L15

202 L16
=========================

win=7, and loss=16

thus win=7/23=30.43% !!!
---------------------------
heloo Ignatus, that 30.43%,
what more do u want?

I stressed EQUILIBRIUM!
anything that move too high or too low, will caused u to lose your underwear as it bet on LUCK...

and I wonder HOW DEEP
is your understanding
of roulette theory???

Are u still in beginner stage?

or expert stage???

-------------------

I think the problem with people WITHOUT BURNING DESIRE TO LEARN,..
=
1]read and forget...

2]read and hastily make assumption...

3]read and laziness to really understand...

the real meanning of the teory!

This is what American Pinwheel tracking should look like.

Kimo Li

try out yourself!
and u will see that the permutation of 201,102,120, are the majority, and the 111, 100,101, are the minority...
================================



Thanks P.A., thanks is a small word for such an enormous investment of time from your side. You have done a great job explaining the pinwheel strategy and you deserve all the respect for that  :thumbsup:
I got it now, and I will try tomorrow the pinwheel strategy on the live wheels.

Quote from: Bassie the Clown on May 29, 03:57 PM 2015
try out yourself!
and u will see that the permutation of 201,102,120, are the majority, and the 111, 100,101, are the minority...
================================



Thanks P.A., thanks is a small word for such an enormous investment of time from your side. You have done a great job explaining the pinwheel strategy and you deserve all the respect for that  :thumbsup:
I got it now, and I will try tomorrow the pinwheel strategy on the live wheels.

Heloooo BASSIE CLOWN!
Not so soon!
Hold your mule,
or your donkey,
or your unicycle...

Dont go clowning in casino,and then after losing your clown nose, hat and underwear, u come back here and spit venom at me!!!


It not easy as u think!

Do u really understand the method,
progression needed,
the staking ,
the VARIANCE avoidance..
and the minimum capital needed??????

THIS THE GREATEST PROBLEM OF THE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE NO BURNING DESIRE TO LEARN!

u people just read, and make fast  assumption..
[u know the word assumption, start with ...axx ]


STOP right there!
Even though u fully understand Kimo Li method,
u still need time to test, to expect the unexpected!!!

Stop that clowning act!
Casino not a circus, where u fall down and presume nothing happen, and keep smiling around!

Kimo Li posted an image,

and, for those who cant understand, let see below.


123=mean 1st,2nd,3rd spin increment.

14-25-36=mean pinwheel-1&4,2&5,3&6

8-8-7 mean=in the last 27spins,

pinwheel1&4 had 8hit.
pinwheel2&5 had 8hit.
pinwheel3&6 had 7 hit.

so how will u staking and win,???


Thus u can see the wheel balanced,
so, whether the wheel balanced or biased,
either way, the casino lose their edge!!!

----------------------------

6,2,2=mean
1st spin=6,
2nd=2,
3rd=2,
thus 622 in 3spins increment.

102=mean
pinwheel1&4, have 1hit,
pw 2&5 have no hit,
pw36 have 2hit.
================
6,2,2=102

12,2,2=021


3,33,4=021

15,10,17=111

3,24,11=021

19,0,0=100

30,5,15=300

10,35,27=210

0,0,18=001


see if your eyes good enough..

Quote from: ignatus on May 29, 03:25 AM 2015
I tried your theory P.A, and i had no success with it. sorry

Well ,
IGNATUS!!!

After a long series of test, tens thousand of sessions, by one of the respected member of roulette forums, WE REALIZED that my theory and finding are WRONG, and they all FAILED MISERABLY!!!

In the long run, they will produced major losses!
No wonder Kimo Li ignored my posting,
though he blew compliment about my effort.

So they are right

ROULETTE CANT BE BEATEN!!!

Just forget about gambling,
just go find a good job, or good hobby,
and dont let tragedy of losing and broken family happen to U !!!

I had witnessed many broken family and even suicide due to gambling!

U just cant win, or else all the casino wont survive for the last 300 years!

Listen to me!
Forget gambling,
forget roulette.
start a new life, and enjoy life!

Please accept my sincere apology.
I am very sorry!

Quote from: P.A on May 29, 07:22 PM 2015
Heloooo BASSIE CLOWN!
Not so soon!
Hold your mule,
or your donkey,
or your unicycle...

Dont go clowning in casino,and then after losing your clown nose, hat and underwear, u come back here and spit venom at me!!!

Stop that clowning act!
Casino not a circus, where u fall down and presume nothing happen, and keep smiling around!

Thanks for the warning P.A., much appreciated   :thumbsup: With your warning and advize in my mind I tried this morning the pinwheel system with success. In a 2.5 hour session I managed to win over 500 units. I've noticed some issues during this session. As Always the major problem is wich progression to use. I tried to minimize my risk and used the penthouse progression, and I Always resetted back to 1 unit when I was even or in a plus. But the most important thing I did not understand is why not using this type of betting on the dozens? In my opinion not the betselection is most important at the roulette game, but moneymanagement. Regardless of what betselection you are using, a bad streak will occur. Important is to see when not to bet and have the opportunity to survive a bad streak. From my point of view the pinwheel strategy, or Kimo Li's pies and stars are more complexed betting selections. Nothing wrong with that, but then I at least expect a hitrate over 33%.  Because if not, what is then the point of using such a complex system instead of a more simplistic betselection with the same hitrate like applying 012 to the dozens?

Kind regards,
Bassie

Just tried the pinwheel basics, meaning you bet on 012, 102, 210 etc to hit on the dozens with the same result. It is not the pinwheel bettingselection that makes it work, but the penthouse progression.

Quote from: Kimo Li on May 28, 08:46 PM 2015


bckwrds,

Enjoying your chips and beverage, I presume.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

Kimo, I respect what you say in regards to knowing the wheel. Im learning the wheel layout because regardless of what system you use, knowing the wheel layout will help.
Your, I wont say systems because you never really tell anyone how and when to bet, but your play style is a good way of quickly breaking the wheel into sections and for seeing how the ball is behaving, as you designed it. Quick easy to remember names for movements and numbered sections are great and I will probably use them even if I never use your system, whatever that may be. So I like to honestly thank you for that.

From what I've read on other threads devoted to your play style things do start to get a bit flamey when talking about your work especially your followers which start to sound a bit cult like, but hey who doesn't want a cult following? That is why Ive got my chips ready, though it seems I do need a top up on the beverage, and yes both are being enjoyed greatly mate.
bck

P.A.

Was that long, rambling post to ignatus about losing the home and suicide and all that rot--was that tongue-in-cheek or were you serious?

I mean about some respected member doing tests and declaring it a failure.  Were you just poking ignatus?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Sam

Has anyone .........ANYONE actually made profit long term with Kimo's systems?

This whole thread seems like a ruse.

Kimo comes on and "shares his knowledge", new members pop up and call him "sensei", and yet no one yet has a proven set of results.

This is roulette, not art criticism. This is math...........PERIOD.

So if Kimo has a system that reads the wheel patterns, then there should be a simple flat betting system to take advantage of this, and yet .............crickets.

Why hasn't someone like GLC chimed in with a progression if this is so effective.

I would like to call BS on Kimo Li, but he seems to be presenting solid info here, whereas members are not proving him wrong. Just think about the threads from JL...........80pages long, but this............no one seems interested. Is this because Kimo's been around for so long, that we assume he's a fraud?

Something is off about this whole thing..........maybe Kimo..........maybe us......... :question:

Kimo Li in his own words  does not   go for the " lomg run" according to my interpretation that  he does not   want  to exceed 12 spins during one session.


However he is mum on loss limits  and  replaying  winnings.Two vital components of the MM holy grail. No dpubt  in my mind that he  has developed a solid exit strategy.


Tamino


The contents of this  post  are  intented for  recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk. Nor is this an endorsement of Kimo Li`s  bet selection.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 30, 08:36 AM 2015
P.A.

Was that long, rambling post to ignatus about losing the home and suicide and all that rot--was that tongue-in-cheek or were you serious?

I mean about some respected member doing tests and declaring it a failure.  Were you just poking ignatus?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Sam

Hi Sam,

Seriously, no joke.

I am just lucky, or plain 'good luck',
to pick a few tens of Hamburg result,
actual, that show good marvelous hit,
but an intrigued, respected member,
contact me via mail,
and after a few mail exchanging notes
of my so called 'grail' method,
he done a few tens thousands 'session'
with his program, and DISMAYED .

I feel like crying..
both of us were dismayed that the end result,
show that it not a grail, but just,
as just like other "alchemist-grail",
will show very good,and bad, and very bad result!

and for the past few months,
I really thought I was the GENIUS who solved how to beat roulette!!!
Hahahahahaaw!!!

And if someone apply my 'grail',
then he will profit greatly, and lose greatly too.
Thus my idea and method,
which, have nothing to do with Kimo Li Way,
a disappointment..

Maybe Kimo has a grail, just ask him,
maybe he will teach u...

But I doubt he will....

Thus jusfergeddit!

You see, we have many learned senior members in forums [u included], and after
all these years, have any of u found a grail???
No...everyone say, just for entertainment purpose!

A few claimed to have grail, are actually, when u contact them,
will,..err...err...err..U understand what I mean. hehehee.
I just dont want to make any enemy here...period.

@BassieClown,
yeah, of course,
U can play with dozen, black/red/odd/even/hi/lo, and even street, double street, even on baccarat too!
it will make huge profit, but then after more session,
and u will see that u will lose greatly ,
and lose your underwear.hehehee..

Thus, gamble or rather, clowning at u own risk,
and dont look for me when u lose your skirt..hahahaa.


@Thelaw,
u are right!

For three years, I was mesmerize, a CULT-like...follower,
But Kimo never teach anything, or show any finer point to,
he successfully bring on a mysterious AURA around him!

as I said, I respect him...he is good at math, psychology of mass marketing,
and he a shrewd businessman.



That 3 year effort down the drain...never mind, it give my brain, good exercise.
Maybe I should start to learn how to play CHESS, and become a world champion, after 5 years, of burning desire to learn..hahahaa

I know how to laugh at myself, that life, life short, just work hard, play hard, and enjoy life before we goner...

Just forget gambling..
CASINO had exist for the last 300 years, and more being build.

After u gone from this world, the casino still here to stay.

Listen to my advise, dont gamble your life saving,
U will not be the next genius to break the casino...never!

As Kimo said to me"Go make money", actually a  insinuation..
So I say to u seriously.."Go for another hobby, forget roulette!"

I never see anyone make money from casino,
but many who sold their properties, to pay gambling debt!!!
my family member included!

I already give up, and aint post no more ..

Thanks!

Most systems will fail,... and even the best system can lose sometimes. (Losses have to be accepted)

But to be realistic you can have a system that wins 8/10 times or 9/10 times

I have invented three such systems, still most people don't care.

QuoteJust tried the pinwheel basics, meaning you bet on 012, 102, 210 etc to hit on the dozens with the same result. It is not the pinwheel bettingselection that makes it work, but the penthouse progression.

Bassie,

It is the progression that makes it work. Like I said, I leave it to the math gals and guys. So, thelaw, math guy/gal, show your math skills. How would you capitalize on the example I posted? Bassie already figured it out, progression, a sophisticated progression. Tamio, figured out that there is an exit strategy. Collectively, I believe you guys will break the code.

I am from a generation where a hand shake defines your character. Social media generation, I do not fully understand. But history tells me that witch hunts happened because people were afraid of something that they did not understand. This may be the case.

Kimo Li

This is getting funnier all the way  :xd: Come on P.A. . You stated your system failed. Okay, but what moneymanagement / progression did you use? I still have a profit, and it is growing and growing. Not because of the betselection, but because of wise, not greedy moneymanagement. Your selection, as well as dozens and columns I've used, and still profits are getting bigger and bigger. Winnings are not exploding, but they grow on steady.
By the way, a nickname is just a name. Don't let my nick get you a wrong perception of my seriousness and knowledge about roulette.
Resumé:
Your pinwheel is not bad at all, losing streaks can be easily avoided, and bets do not raise skyhigh, especially when playing on the dozens.
I'd rate your system with a 8 out of 10, one of the better systems to find here in this forum.

QuoteMost systems will fail,... and even the best system can lose sometimes. (Losses have to be accepted)

But to be realistic you can have a system that wins 8/10 times or 9/10 times

I have invented three such systems, still most people don't care.

Ignatus,

You are probably the most effective player I have read. You actually have solid strategies. The only thing missing is your progression choice. But like you said, no one is listening. They don't want something that works, they want to complain about something that does not work for them.

Kimo Li

Quote from: ignatus on May 30, 11:32 AM 2015
Most systems will fail,... and even the best system can lose sometimes. (Losses have to be accepted)

But to be realistic you can have a system that wins 8/10 times or 9/10 times

I have invented three such systems, still most people don't care.

Hi Ignatius,
Not often I post here, but you may know I Always read your posts. Especially targetting the 3 neighbours when a single number shows within X spins. I liked that, I won over 4000 with that. Unfortunatelly for my bankroll it was not a longtime runner  :wink:. I Always appreciate your posts  :thumbsup:, keep up the good work.

Quote...Resumé:
Your pinwheel is not bad at all, losing streaks can be easily avoided, and bets do not raise skyhigh, especially when playing on the dozens.
I'd rate your system with a 8 out of 10, one of the better systems to find here in this forum.

I respect your assessment, you are spot on. It's designed for players who want small amounts with minimum risks, a grind.

I believe you are a serious major player in the roulette world.

Kimo Li

Thanks, you guys!  ^-^

Well, good moneymanagment is not my strong side,... :S

and have a small wingoal (know when to quit while you're ahead of the game!) is also recommended . Don't be greedy!

im still learning....

Heavy progressions may not be good either, (it's more a question of patience!)

Greed and lack of patience is most difficult to handle when it comes to roulette i think

QuoteKimo, I respect what you say in regards to knowing the wheel. Im learning the wheel layout because regardless of what system you use, knowing the wheel layout will help.
Your, I wont say systems because you never really tell anyone how and when to bet, but your play style is a good way of quickly breaking the wheel into sections and for seeing how the ball is behaving, as you designed it. Quick easy to remember names for movements and numbered sections are great and I will probably use them even if I never use your system, whatever that may be. So I like to honestly thank you for that.

From what I've read on other threads devoted to your play style things do start to get a bit flamey when talking about your work especially your followers which start to sound a bit cult like, but hey who doesn't want a cult following? That is why Ive got my chips ready, though it seems I do need a top up on the beverage, and yes both are being enjoyed greatly mate.
bck

bckwrds,

The goal of the Global Pie method was to create a universal language for all roulette players to communicate about the areas of the wheel and relationships of movements. Thank you for recognizing the purpose and your kind words. If roulette was a country, the language would be GPM. I think I'll have myself an ice tea and sit back an enjoy other players comments, good or bad.

Kimo Li

Kimo Li havin' ice tea!

ice tea, why not hot chocolate?

This morning I had my first bad results with this one. Pinwheel as well as progression failed over an extended period of time....  :(   And it looked so promessing when I started.

Hi Bassie,

Do you have the spin results? If so, it would be interesting to analyze.

Kimo Li

There was a story where a chain saw sales man approached a lumber jack about his saw. He claimed that the lumber jack could double his production by using a chainsaw. So, the lumberjack said, “I’ll give it a go around.”

The lumberjack’s production declined. Disappointed, the lumberjack brought back the chain saw and said to the salesman, “there is something wrong with the chain saw. It did not improve my production; instead, it slowed me down.”

The puzzled salesman scratched his head and took the chainsaw and pulled the cord, and started the engine. The saw buzzed effortlessly, to which the lumberjack said, “What’s that sound?”

One has to know how to use the Pinwheel in order for it to work.

Kimo Li

So how does one use the pinwheel Kimo Li ?

Seems you are the only person in the universe that knows and you are not telling. Same old story !!

The strategy is stated. I left the math guys/gals to figure it out. So, figure it out. Use your brains. If it was that easy everybody would be doing it.

Kimo Li

here another story I heard when I was a kid...

An old man try to sell something to a man...and his little kid.

'I have a goose that lay golden egg.

only$9.99 each. including delivery...

How many u want?'

Out of courtesy, the man decline the offer.

but that old man keep pestering...

Then the little kid says to the old man.

"why not u keep the goose yourself?"

The Old man says.
"Oh , my wife threaten to slaughter all the goose,


...if I too slow in washing off their shit!"


hahahaha::!!!

limo ki........................

He is not ME!!

;D

Sam

Good point, the old man replied to the little boy.

I will keep the geese and get rid of the wife

Kimo Li

Silence is golden. I guess everybody figured it out.

Kimo Li

Thinking .........                       Thinking .........

Not figured out yet !

Limo ki

Now when u were reading this forum and decided to make a troll name did it make u feel good inside?  I hope it did

really, its not so bad to have your own clone, in any case i already have mine , :twisted:

QuoteNow when u were reading this forum and decided to make a troll name did it make u feel good inside?  I hope it did

What seems to be your problem. I have the right to a user name like anyone else. There is no " Troll " or offence intended.

Maybe take some drugs and lighten up.

Limo Ki been banned for one day to lighten up with no drugs i hope. Just for the beginning. Let the mods decide what to do with him next.

Kimo Li, could you or any others that have been studying wheel play please tell me in your experience what is the longest amount of spins a 6 number wheel section has slept for?
I know your technique is catching the hot sections the dealer spinning for, but im interested in the amount of of time they can sleep for as well.
cheers
bck

bckwrds,

Interesting question, I really don't know. I have not counted the misses. But that is my point, I only keep track of the hot trends.

Kimo Li

I received a PM message that I am not able to reply. But you know who you are.

Thanks for the kinds words.

Kimo Li

It was me...............

Tcs: link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eQkbUH2aUHg

IT was you.

No, it WAS you.

No, it was YOU.

In any case, thank you.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jun 08, 10:37 AM 2015
IT was you.

No, it WAS you.

No, it was YOU.

In any case, thank you.

Kimo Li

Is that a bit of "Field Of Dreams" ?

O0

Only after Kimo Li’s method of tracking and betting is understood does one realize just how brilliant he is. It is absolutely uncanny just how well it works.

I can’t thank you enough Kimo Li.

Hi limo ki,

I see hundreds of roulette players every time I visit Vegas. In a game where the odds are surely stacked against roulette players, many seem oblivious to the certain losses to follow. Since 2005, I have tried to inform roulette players that  there is a way to beat roulette. But it has fallen on deaf ears.

I have met a lot of resistance to my ideas, skepticism, criticism, and cynicism. Hundreds of roulette players have heard of my ideas. And if only a few players sees the light, I have not wasted my time.
Thank you for your kind words limo ki.

Kimo Li   

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 05, 09:45 PM 2015
Limo ki

Now when u were reading this forum and decided to make a troll name did it make u feel good inside?  I hope it did

I agree 100%...and...all one has to do is read the persons posts (8 for now). The pattern will ALWAYS be there amongst the posts, they cant help themselves. 8 posts, new member? Absolutely not.

Ken

QuoteI agree 100%...and...all one has to do is read the persons posts (8 for now). The pattern will ALWAYS be there amongst the posts, they cant help themselves. 8 posts, new member? Absolutely not.

Hi Ken,

I don't quite understand what you are saying. When limo ki first posted, I thought "really?" I did not know what to think. Then I thought, "Who am I to judge what people call themselves?"
It appeared to me that here is another person who is trying to discredit my work. So, I went about my business at hand, ignore the negative connotations. Then out of nowhere, limo ki through me for a loop, he acknowledged that the Pinwheel works for him. I was elated.

So now, you post an interesting perspective, of which, I now question the validity of limo ki's statement.

Limo Ki,

Would you explain your sudden positive perspective on the method of my madness? I simply do not understand. It appears, at least for MrJ, that you pose as a ruse.

Kimo Li

He's warming up and most likely has little interest in your method, sorry.

Ken

Thanks Ken, much appreciated.

Kimo Li

Hi Kimo Li;

It is not a ruse. At first I questioned your results but you said to use my brains and figure out how you were playing.
I had never seen you present the method of tracking for 3 spins at a time and once I studied for a considerable amount of time I realized there was something to it.
I had tried using the quads but was never able to have any success tracking for 6 spins. This new approach just somehow connected and I saw what you spoke about as far as tracking and patterns.
I can't explain why but as you said either you see it or you don't.
I just wanted to let you and the others that it is all there if you can recognize it.

For Mr. J : I will stop posting if you wish as I can see it irritates you for whatever reason.

This post is NO JOKE.

Kind regards.

limo ki,

Good for you. Thank you for responding. True, you either see it or you don't.

As a result of discovering the concept, I'll bet you have broaden your horizon with all the possibilities you can imagine.

Kimo Li

Didnt someone mentioned "silence is golden".?
Gander that lay golden egg is golden...?
Golden sheet is also golden?

For sales: Geese that lay golden eggs!
hahahaaaw!

Come on, hg do not exist, only comprehension of betting probability, and manuvering of probability , that win most of time is hg.

Hi PA,

You would not know what HG is because you have never seen it, the goose.

Kimo Li

Sensei,
you're right...
I only get hold the shit, not the golden egg..
hahahahahaaa:

The cowboy,
say to his horse,
we going to search for the grail,
only both of them,
with gayly trait,
the cowboy on the horseback,
into the sunset.
on foot when the trail are jaggered,
on the horseback when the trail winding streak.
heehaa:ww......

I guess you are on your way to finding the HG. Giddy up cowboy.

Kimo Li

Quotelimo ki said: ...I had never seen you present the method of tracking for 3 spins at a time and once I studied for a considerable amount of time I realized there was something to it...

Study that and you are half way there.

Kimo Li

The reason is simple, you were rude here. That why i banned you for a day. Your nick is also questionable. Behave normally and all gonna be OK.

Quote from: limo ki on Jun 09, 02:17 PM 2015
Hi Kimo Li;

It is not a ruse. At first I questioned your results but you said to use my brains and figure out how you were playing.
I had never seen you present the method of tracking for 3 spins at a time and once I studied for a considerable amount of time I realized there was something to it.
I had tried using the quads but was never able to have any success tracking for 6 spins. This new approach just somehow connected and I saw what you spoke about as far as tracking and patterns.
I can't explain why but as you said either you see it or you don't.
I just wanted to let you and the others that it is all there if you can recognize it.

For Mr. J : I will stop posting if you wish as I can see it irritates you for whatever reason.

This post is NO JOKE.

Kind regards.

Quote from: bckwrds on Jun 07, 09:24 PM 2015
Kimo Li, could you or any others that have been studying wheel play please tell me in your experience what is the longest amount of spins a 6 number wheel section has slept for?
I know your technique is catching the hot sections the dealer spinning for, but im interested in the amount of of time they can sleep for as well.
cheers
bck

bckwrds, I do not know if this is the longest a section has not won but your question reminded me of an event I saw in January 2014 at a local casino on a single 0 wheel. In this case pie 7 (7,28,12,35,3,26) did not win in the 48 spins I observed.
Even pie 9 (14,31,9,22,18,29) only had 4 wins. Take note of the frequent wins on pies 4, 8 & 5.

The sad part is that I remember seeing a player continually betting on certain numbers in pie 7, and losing of course.

Here is a text file of these spins and and wheel image after I put them though roulette xtreme.

Hope this helps you,
Best Regards

Hi again Kimo Li;

Thanks to you I see the concept and I will explore other possibilities of your work as you suggest.
Right now I am just enjoying what I do understand. It feels good to win.

As for the user name - it was not meant to offend you. If it did I apologize.

Kind Regards ....

Hi limo ki,

I am not offended by the name you choose though it did throw me off guard. I know there are some here that may see that as a sign of disrespect. You have gracefully apologized. It's all good.
I wish so much for people to understand the concept because it will open their minds to other things relating to roulette. Grant you, I don't make it easy to understand. But once one does, everything makes sense. Like anything else, the concept can turn on you if not used properly. So proceed with caution.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

This is what the European pinwheel looks like on the layout.

Kimo Li

attached are some of my pen n paper days(about 3yrs ago)
circled numbers are hit while "/" numbers are missed bets.
during these days i was betting 12-15 numbers.
sometime last year i was betting 6-8 numbers. now a days i am betting 4-5. and yes i am nearing the E_N_D.

this is just one of my interpretation/implementation of GPM ball movement.

Hi Marvin,

Nice to hear from you. How are your numbers listed?, horizontal left to right by 6 numbers or is it vertical?

If it's horizontal it would look like the attached.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

Hey Kimo Li,

not sure how that tracker of yours works/to read  but it looks good.
and yes its numbers listed in horizontal.

Marvin,

I dont see exacly how you play it, seems you dont track ball movement? But results look verry good! Can you explain a bit how you track and play?

R

Hi Marvin,

The tracker tracks Pinwheel 14, 25, 36 in three spin increments.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

hey rewster, not sure how i track it before probably eclipse.

hey kimo li, i understand its tracking the pinwheel, what i dont understand is the brown color, 1,2,3 below it.

Hi marvin,

Those are misses. 1, 2, 3 is how many times each pinwheel has come in a set of 3.

Kimo Li

cool!
interesting way of tracking pinwheel.

Hi marvin,

Look what happens when you use this technique when you track dozens.

Kimo Li

yeap saw it too. more 2s & 3s.  O0
but i am just too lazy betting those 12 numbers not to mention it attracts ladies.
although betting 4-6 numbers attracts the pit boss  :lol:

marvin,

Next time I play 12 numbers, I'll see if the ladies are looking or the pit boss is mad because I took the casino for 1,000.00 in 12 spins.

Kimo Li

Hi Kimo Li --- I have recently switched my full attention to your work. It becomes more and more interesting the more I read. I am currently reading and re-reading everything that you have posted on these forums. Re. the 12 number tracker you show in post no. 169 , is it available for public use ?

Many thanks.

Sorry klw,

Players pay a substantial amount for that information. It would not be fair to them if I made it public. Perhaps I can design one that is basic and simple.

Regards,

Kimo Li

klw,

I managed to create something members of this forum can use to play without compromising the integrity of GPM members integrity. Attached are two files, one American and the other European.

Enjoy,

Kimo Li

SR KIMO LI thank you very much for your material, I read all your post. I'm from Argentina, my city santafe, I would like to learn how to implement the matrix in my local casino. I went to check and see q can be implemented but unfortunately do not know how. You tell me how I can pay for your information from already thank you very much

Sorry diego,

Solicitation is frowned upon.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

Thank you very much Kimo Li.

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jun 15, 05:55 PM 2015
Sorry diego,

Solicitation is frowned upon.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

Now dont be mad at me people (lol), I NEVER read other methods (dont need to). So is this method for sale (in another section) or completely free for Diego?

Ken

Hi Ken,

If you search the internet, you will note many different types of methods are on sale. On this forum, soliciting on this part of the forum is ill advised. For Mr. Diego, or anyone, the Pinwheel concept is posted here is for free along with a spreadsheet requested by klw, consultation is a different matter altogether and is not overtly stated.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

"Concept"......correct?

So the FULL RULES of how to play are NOT posted on THIS forum (somewhere here)?

Ken

Hi Ken,

Full rules on the basic roulette is posted here. 3 set of spins tracking PW 14, 25, 36, progression is up to the individual. I do not advocate what type of progression as there may be biases conducive to each individual. On the spreadsheet there is a disclaimer. So yes, full rules for the basic Pinwheel and free.

Best regards,

Kimo Li

klw,

You are welcome.

Kimo Li

Thats all I needed, thank you sir.

Ken

pido disculpas si me exprese mal, soy argentino y no manejo el ingles. Solo quiero consultar con ustedes como vencer la rueda. Yo he perdido mucho

Como esta?

hola como estas ken

kimo li is Active with a topic at betselection cc

I want to share a spreadsheet that has been sent to privileged individuals. Now to this forum, as well as others.
This spreadsheet tracks the layout characteristics: red, black, odd, even, high, low, dozens, columns, streets, double streets, triple streets, etc.
For beginners and professionals.

Kimo Li

Many thanks mr kimo still like I can not do this in front of the casino staff, but have memorized the entire wheel

Everything posted about Kimo Li principles and methods are for recreational purpose only.
This is my last post.

Kimo Li

happy trails-kimo

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jun 23, 01:32 PM 2015
Everything posted about Kimo Li principles and methods are for recreational purpose only.
This is my last post.

Kimo Li

Does anybody else find this post a bit strange ?

He's gone from "I write books that show you how to track the roulette ball" &
for a fee I can tell you how to "put it all together"

To.

"Nothing I've ever said or taught should be played "professionally" " ?

Sounds to me like he's either had enough or someone has encouraged him to post the above.

Either way, I think it's v v strange.....

O0

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jun 23, 01:32 PM 2015
Everything posted about Kimo Li principles and methods are for recreational purpose only.
This is my last post.

Kimo Li

Perhaps due to a legal matter  I have seen this post on 2 other message boards as well.

Quote from: Tamino on Jun 24, 02:17 PM 2015


Perhaps due to a legal matter  I have seen this post on 2 other message boards as well.

Exactly, somebody has threatened to sue him  ? Hence that post ?

O0

he doesn't seem to be a happy bunny at all !!!!

link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/ (link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/)

O0

Quote from: ddarko on Jun 24, 03:03 PM 2015
Exactly, somebody has threatened to sue him  ? Hence that post ?

O0

Tamino said  legal matter. There was no implication of Kimo  Li being sued..

He   has chosen a  disclaimer    just  like myself after posting a system:  For recreational  purposes only. Play at your own risk


Just clicked  in the link to Kimo`s board. "Nuff said".

Quote from: Tamino on Jun 24, 03:34 PM 2015




Tamino said  legal matter. There was no implication of Kimo  Li being sued..

He   has chosen a  disclaimer    just  like myself after posting a system:  For recreational  purposes only. Play at your own risk

I never said you did imply he was being sued. I placed a question mark after each sentence, as in them both being questions.....

O0

Quote from: ddarko on Jun 24, 03:41 PM 2015
I never said you did imply he was being sued. I placed a question mark after each sentence, as in them both being questions.....

O0

Explana6tion verified  and accepted.


T

Quote from: Tamino on Jun 24, 03:53 PM 2015

Explana6tion verified  and accepted.


T

:thumbsup:

O0

Gents

Over the years--on forums and in ads--I have read people's claims that they made tons doing X, Y or Z.  If a person makes a hard-and-fast claim they can make BIG BUCKS with their system and then sell it, it should make BIG BUCKS or they should be sued, screwed and rookey-dooed.

That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it!

TwoCat

Let's put this to bed.

I decided to stop teaching about roulette. It's not worth my time. The fact of the matter is I make 1,000.00 per 12 spins. Do the math. The disclaimer has always been there, in the book, spreadsheets, and all aspect of posting, business 101.

There is no need to speculate. There are those who get it and those who don't.

Best of Luck to All.

Kimo Li

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So do we have confirmation of anyone playing and winning using Kimo's bet selection?

On the one hand, if it worked, I would expect someone to come back and say: "I'm making $$$ per day playing with the global pie"; on the other hand, most people seem to be looking for a simple winning system, so perhaps the complexity would scare them away.

Has anyone actually tried his methods?

I'm the first to be critical of people seeking attention through vague cryptic answers to basic questions, but what was Kimo getting out of this, and what changed to make him quit so abruptly? He must have received the same responses over the years, so why now? If he just wanted to be a guru, there are too many ways that he could have exploited this (see John Legend).

Quote from: thelaw on Jun 25, 08:26 AM 2015
So do we have confirmation of anyone playing and winning using Kimo's bet selection?

On the one hand, if it worked, I would expect someone to come back and say: "I'm making $$$ per day playing with the global pie"; on the other hand, most people seem to be looking for a simple winning system, so perhaps the complexity would scare them away.

Has anyone actually tried his methods?

I'm the first to be critical of people seeking attention through vague cryptic answers to basic questions, but what was Kimo getting out of this, and what changed to make him quit so abruptly? He must have received the same responses over the years, so why now? If he just wanted to be a guru, there are too many ways that he could have exploited this (see John Legend).

Hi TheLaw,
Regardless of how so called complex Kimo Li's pies and stars, or nukes and bowties may be, the most important aspect of Kimo Li's success at the roulettetable is his moneymanagement/progressionmethod he is using. And exactly that aspect I still haven't figured out yet. Pies and stars etc etc are just a betselection. Without strong proper progression every betselection will eventually loose. My concerns are focussed on what progression he uses......

I am from Argentina and I have tried in my real casino lost very unfortunately greetings

I have given diego from Argentina   detailed imnstructions  about " how to learn  to become a winner ".

But appoarently  my advice  has fallen on deaf  ears.

I had  also given him detailed positive progressions but he  ignored   ny advice about disciplijne when to leave a table  or a session.What did Rhett Butler say to Scarlet O`Hara in Gone  with the Win: Frankly my dear I  don`t gikve a damn..  That`s exactly my take  about people who don`t listen..



Tamino.

Personally, I would look for the oddity dying.  That is to say, if the wheel did a "bow tie" three times, I'd expect that to stop.  Sooner or later, the wheel must change it's pattern.  On the other hand, the pattern could continue until you are broke.

Samster

Quote from: Tamino on Jun 25, 12:03 PM 2015
I have given diego from Argentina   detailed imnstructions  about " how to learn  to become a winner ".

But appoarently  my advice  has fallen on deaf  ears.

I had  also given him detailed positive progressions but he  ignored   ny advice about disciplijne when to leave a table  or a session.What did Rhett Butler say to Scarlet O`Hara in Gone  with the Win: Frankly my dear I  don`t gikve a damn..  That`s exactly my take  about people who don`t listen..



Tamino.

So have you won consistently with this? :)

I learned how to win  and  keeping what I have won .

Tamino

tamino friend has been generous in answering my messages not understand about deaf ears, because what you've told me q I thanked him but excuse me I have not made money even with forgives but it's true. You did not say that I have learned what q tell me why I consulted. annoying if you will not do it again. blessings and graces

Let us be clear on one matter which I learned from  a professional gambler, John Patrick, author of 16 books on gambling:

You either go to a casino playing to play or  PLAYING to WIN !

You can`t have it both  ways.


Nuff said.

I'll just win my dear friend I need the money as any hardworking and honest person hug

I am glad you did win. while in session never replay your winnings.  Just play with allocated amount for  that session.Never give anything back.

The winnings are  yours . It is no longer the "casino`s money"T.

greetings you follow well

Quote from: Bassie the Clown on Jun 25, 10:02 AM 2015
Hi TheLaw,
Regardless of how so called complex Kimo Li's pies and stars, or nukes and bowties may be, the most important aspect of Kimo Li's success at the roulettetable is his moneymanagement/progressionmethod he is using. And exactly that aspect I still haven't figured out yet. Pies and stars etc etc are just a betselection. Without strong proper progression every betselection will eventually loose. My concerns are focussed on what progression he uses......

Why would a proper progression overcome a random bet selection?  Are you hitting a high strike rate with any of the stars, pies, etc?

Quote from: 1eleven on Jun 29, 07:40 AM 2015
Why would a proper progression overcome a random bet selection?  Are you hitting a high strike rate with any of the stars, pies, etc?

No, as far as I can tell Kimo Li's betselection does not have a higher strike rate than other betselections. I have tried the pies and stars, also tried the nukes etc. but could not win consistently. Never the less Kimo Li states he's constantly winning, so if it is not the betselection that makes him win, then it has to be progression, most likely in combination with stop loss.

I'm stuck on figuring out "every number is a star number."  This seems like such an obvious statement but I'm not sure how that's the 'key'

And this gem, "In any case, the HG of roulette strategy lies in the ability to execute a strategy using a trigger. Every number on the roulette wheel is a trigger to a specific set of numbers. The million dollar question is what are these sets of numbers. Sorry, I cannot say. But can say this, every number is a star number."

I've heard a "confused mind says no."  There sure is a lot of confusion.  That's a trend that will continue.

hi,

if you have the book, you will notice that there are more than a dozen strategies/pattern there. and every pattern/strategy has its own trigger. when you take first 3 spins the 3rd spin may be a trigger to a strategy/pattern. the fourth may also signal for another strategy and so is the fifth and so on and so forth thats why kimo says that every number is a star.

Hi Marvin,
How do you implement that in a session? If every number is a trigger then wouldn't you be changing bet selection every spin? Could you share a sample session?

Quote from: 1eleven on Jun 30, 08:39 AM 2015
I'm stuck on figuring out "every number is a star number."  This seems like such an obvious statement but I'm not sure how that's the 'key'

And this gem, "In any case, the HG of roulette strategy lies in the ability to execute a strategy using a trigger. Every number on the roulette wheel is a trigger to a specific set of numbers. The million dollar question is what are these sets of numbers. Sorry, I cannot say. But can say this, every number is a star number."

I've heard a "confused mind says no."  There sure is a lot of confusion.  That's a trend that will continue.

Hi 1eleven,
Every number is a star number, like every number is a pie number. The key is 3 , within X number of spins. Then you start to bet for a limited amount of spins. Basically the Kimo Li method anticipates in betting hot pies & stars, or hot bowties etc etc. It's a kind of strategy that can be adapted on splits, lines, Streets or even your own creation of numbers, Streets etc..  Play hot (on 3) or don't. Bet on whatever wich opportunity shows up, it's like trading the stock- and forexmarket (except the hedging part) . You go with the flow, once your target is reached you have to find another opportunity. And just like trading the markets, or playing other different types of betselections, losses will occur. Identifying a trend is rather easy, but you never can tell how long this trend will last.

Quote from: Bassie the Clown on Jun 30, 04:14 PM 2015
Hi 1eleven,
Every number is a star number, like every number is a pie number. The key is 3 , within X number of spins. Then you start to bet for a limited amount of spins. Basically the Kimo Li method anticipates in betting hot pies & stars, or hot bowties etc etc. It's a kind of strategy that can be adapted on splits, lines, Streets or even your own creation of numbers, Streets etc..  Play hot (on 3) or don't. Bet on whatever wich opportunity shows up, it's like trading the stock- and forexmarket (except the hedging part) . You go with the flow, once your target is reached you have to find another opportunity. And just like trading the markets, or playing other different types of betselections, losses will occur. Identifying a trend is rather easy, but you never can tell how long this trend will last.

Thank you. What do you mean by "the key is 3"?

Quote from: 1eleven on Jun 30, 03:36 PM 2015
Hi Marvin,
How do you implement that in a session? If every number is a trigger then wouldn't you be changing bet selection every spin? Could you share a sample session?

practice, i was able to implement it by constant practice :D. believe it or not i spent around 3-4hrs everynight looking it. just keep staring at it for sure a you will have a light bulb moment  :twisted:

Here we go again.........

someone claims to have a working system, but will not share it.

"YOU HAVE TO EARN IT"...........they say.

I call bullshit until someone proves a working system.

"Hey, the emperor has a new system....just look closely and you'll see it".............This is getting ridiculous!   :question:

Quote from: thelaw on Jul 01, 02:51 AM 2015
Here we go again.........

someone claims to have a working system, but will not share it.

"YOU HAVE TO EARN IT"...........they say.

I call bullshit until someone proves a working system.

"Hey, the emperor has a new system....just look closely and you'll see it".............This is getting ridiculous!   :question:

the food is already being served , its in the table. all you have to do grab it and eat it or u wanted to be spoon feed? or probably u wanted someone to chew it for u.  :twisted:

From p.10 of the Roulette Formula:
"There are two schools of thought when it comes to wagering.  The first invokes the player to bet on sections that have been coming in.  The second entails waiting for the right time to bet on sections that have not yet come in and are believed to be due.  Without the complete knowledge of the Global Pie Method, these types of strategies rely on luck.  The mind-set for this type of approach should be recreational at best."

Yet, the consensus here seems to be 'follow the trend'

Quote from: marvin on Jul 01, 03:08 AM 2015
the food is already being served , its in the table. all you have to do grab it and eat it or u wanted to be spoon feed? or probably u wanted someone to chew it for u.  :twisted:

Here is the major problem with Kimo's work. Not one person yet has been able to prove that this system works, which would be very easy to do (we've seen it tried many times on the forum).

1) Someone chooses Spielbank day/table and gives out a set amount of numbers.

2) Then the system is played out publicly for everyone to see post by post.

3) After a certain number of spins (say 300-400), the Spielbank day/table is revealed and can be verified by all parties.

This would not necessarily give away the actual system, while proving that it works. Everybody wins.

Why haven't we seen this?  Because the claims are BULLSHIT!!!

This is roulette, not a martial art. This is about money..........pure and simple, but there are too many people who are just seeking attention.

Let me give you an example of what I mean:

Not too long ago, a new forum called Roulette30 opened up with excellent discussions on strategy, bet selection, and theory including a system called the Kavouras bet (discussed here before) promoted by the moderator of the forum himself aptly named: Kav.

Along comes a member named Reyth. Now Reyth gets right to work posting page after page of trials and errors using the Kav bet, to the point that he starts posting graphics with sayings like "It's all over but the Kaching baby!!!"  and "10 days to real money" -obviously convinced that he has a winner on his hands.

Then Kav announces that he will be selling a premium version of the system for a few hundred bucks while making zero claims about its effectiveness. And would you believe  that a day after the system goes on sale, Reyth stops posting about his progress, and instead begins posting all type of other systems (literally dozens) throughout the forum. Reyth, who has now been posting daily for nearly 6 weeks, just stops at the same time this "premium system" goes on sale.

Now if you read Reyth's posts, you would have seen this coming a mile-away. They looked just like Falkor's. Just another troll seeking attention.

So the question is, how is this any different than Kimo's work? Neither party is presenting proof, and at least Reyth provided win/loss figures (although the first red flag was when they disappeared from his posts when things went south).

Ignatus has it right. He presents his systems in the full light of day with a test and charts to match; win or lose.

This is not a system; it's a hustle until proven otherwise! :sad2:

Kimo Li has never said that his stuff is gonna work for everyone. He said it works for him and for some people which are getting gut feeling of what he is doing. He even said if i am not wrong that the majority won't probably get good results. So...It is to up to anyone to try his stuff, but there never has been a firm guarantee there. But I know some people wh0 said he did help them win in roulette.

We are not in court here to demand proof and get a firm verdict. Kimo himself has been pretty tired of all this discussion for years i guess. Now with all this stuff coming up over and over again looks like he lost any desire to give some more info many people would like to get. 
What useful all this "court" approach did? Nothing. Just killed all the real roulette discussion with him.

thelaw,

when i saw that you mentioned 300-400 spins. by then i knew that this strategy is not for you. heck! i don't even reach 100 spins. no point in discussing this kind of stuff if we are looking at different direction.  :yawn:

and by the say this is not a system, its a strategy, a reading the pattern and ball movement.

Kimo Li has never said that his stuff is gonna work for everyone.

Guys


The above statement means the method is subjective.  That which is subjective cannot be put to an objective test.  If there is no objective test possible, there can be no proof.  Therein lies the safety of such claims as we see here weekly.

thelaw

As you can see, you have been eliminated because you spun 300 or 400 times.  marvin does not spin even 100.  Let me promise and guarantee you, when someone loses it is always something they do wrong.  I would not be surprised to read:  "Well, you played on Tuesday, you dipstick!  No one can win on Tuesday!."

Please understand, I'm not speaking exclusively of Kimo Li.  There have been probably hundreds just like him.  Only they and a few close associates--who remain in hiding--can win.  Should one reveal himself, he will reject the idea of being tested.

iggiv

Court, you say?  All thelaw and I and others have asked for years is to do a double-blind study and show us what you can do when people are watching.  They won't do it because they can't. 

Lastly, if there is no system, if it is all subjective, then there is nothing to teach.  How would you teach a person to have a gut feeling?  (Apologies to winkle!)

Sam

Yet again, Sammy & TheLaw throw down the truth in a thread......

Kudos to you both  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

O0

sam,

on an average of 3 minute per spin, 100 spins is 5hrs of play. how much 300-400 spins 15-20hrs? and there are even others testing it for a million spins.

you, thelaw and others did for these years are expecting a single catch all mechanical system to "solve" roulette wherein its not.
kmo li materials is a map, that shows you the location of a hidden treasure. getting there will depend  on your skill, on how your going to strategize as there are lots of traps along the way, its up to you how you are going to use it to your advantage.

at the end of the day, this is subjective. its not for you, not for thelaw and not for everybody.

attached is my play 2-3 weeks ago

Quote from: marvin on Jul 01, 12:17 PM 2015
thelaw,

when i saw that you mentioned 300-400 spins. by then i knew that this strategy is not for you. heck! i don't even reach 100 spins. no point in discussing this kind of stuff if we are looking at different direction.  :yawn:

and by the say this is not a system, its a strategy, a reading the pattern and ball movement.

I mentioned 300-400 spins because if I said less, then you would have said too few trials, had I said more, you would have said impractical.

So now it's "not for me" apparently. Yet another misdirection for a bogus system.

Feel free to let us know when you have something that is not simply smoke and mirrors.

Don't let these trolls bait you into telling them how you do it. They don't deserve it.

Kimo Li

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 01, 11:21 AM 2015
Kimo Li has never said that his stuff is gonna work for everyone. He said it works for him and for some people which are getting gut feeling of what he is doing. He even said if i am not wrong that the majority won't probably get good results. So...It is to up to anyone to try his stuff, but there never has been a firm guarantee there. But I know some people wh0 said he did help them win in roulette.

We are not in court here to demand proof and get a firm verdict. Kimo himself has been pretty tired of all this discussion for years i guess. Now with all this stuff coming up over and over again looks like he lost any desire to give some more info many people would like to get. 
What useful all this "court" approach did? Nothing. Just killed all the real roulette discussion with him.

Iggiv,

I'd love to know what we lost when Kimo left after we "killed" the discussion, or perhaps it's the same thing we lost when John Legend left, or how about Falkor?

I'm simply astounded by the fact that a moderator of all people is implying that demanding proof is somehow unreasonable.

It's implications like that that make me question the motives of these boards sometimes. I mean, what do you actually want? Theories? To learn the "art" of roulette?

I, for one, want to learn a system that wins. Not for glory, but money. Nothing more.

Did Kimo bring us any closer to a working system?............Anyone?................(crickets)

As for the "gut feeling" comment, I am at a complete loss for words. What's next, Voodoo?

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 01, 02:39 PM 2015
Don't let these trolls bait you into telling them how you do it. They don't deserve it.

Kimo Li

Here we go again.........those seeking attention just can't stay away.

Marvin, Did you got my message ?

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 01, 02:39 PM 2015
Don't let these trolls bait you into telling them how you do it. They don't deserve it.

Kimo Li

That's twice you have posted after saying "this is my last post"......

Pls, make your mind up !!!!

& I'm not sure if you meant me, but I promise you, I DON'T live under a bridge  ;)

O0

ddarko,

Let me qualify that statement. This was my last post explaining the strategy.

As far as your comments, you have nothing positive to say about roulette or anything for that matter. Your MO.
How about you contribute your way of winning at roulette and share your winning ways? or any ideas?

I have been challenged in the past. Numbers were given to a group and myself. I then had to predict winning numbers. And so I did. Won every time. It's posted on VLS years ago. It's still there.
In fact, there are several posts where members discuss ideas, doming and sailing, and show profits. Obviously, you have not read them.

Please show me a strategy of yours that wins consistently. We all want to know.

Kimo Li

P.S. Will the bull live?

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 01, 03:34 PM 2015
ddarko,

Let me qualify that statement. This was my last post explaining the strategy.

As far as your comments, you have nothing positive to say about roulette or anything for that matter. Your MO.
How about you contribute your way of winning at roulette and share your winning ways? or any ideas?

I have been challenged in the past. Numbers were given to a group and myself. I then had to predict winning numbers. And so I did. Won every time. It's posted on VLS years ago. It's still there.
In fact, there are several posts where members discuss ideas, doming and sailing, and show profits. Obviously, you have not read them.

Please show me a strategy of yours that wins consistently. We all want to know.

Kimo Li

P.S. Will the bull live?

Kimo,

Can you post the links to these forum posts to which you are referring where the tests were conducted?

I don't want to reference the wrong ones.

Thank you.

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20249.msg148473#msg148473 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20249.msg148473#msg148473)
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20064.msg147113#msg147113 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20064.msg147113#msg147113)

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 01, 03:34 PM 2015
ddarko,

Let me qualify that statement. This was my last post explaining the strategy.

Well, if you had stated that, a simpleton like me would of caught on.....

As far as your comments, you have nothing positive to say about roulette or anything for that matter. Your MO.
How about you contribute your way of winning at roulette and share your winning ways? or any ideas?

Well not all of us have a winning method / way of play do we ? If I DID have a way of winning I'd be playing it, not playing poker like you stated you were..... If I had decided to stop offering consulting players (because it just wasn't worth my time) I'd of done it in a manor that ppl like me wouldn't question. Instead of the hissy fit you posted. Any ideas ? no I will pass thxs, who knows they could be right ?

I have been challenged in the past. Numbers were given to a group and myself. I then had to predict winning numbers. And so I did. Won every time. It's posted on VLS years ago. It's still there.
In fact, there are several posts where members discuss ideas, doming and sailing, and show profits. Obviously, you have not read them.

Nope your dead right, I haven't read them. I read two posts of ppl replying to you.

1. Spike.

Many moons ago he said something along the lines of.....

Kimo Li's books shows you how to track to roulette ball. Neither book showed how to win at roulette.

I thought that summed it up well.

2. 2Cats

He was member of your secret group over at VLS & has stated you produced nothing.

Again, that's good enough for me.

I haven't dissed or bad mouthed you, or your books, or in fact anybody playing a way via you.

Please show me a strategy of yours that wins consistently. We all want to know.

Please see the 1st part of this reply.

Kimo Li

P.S. Will the bull live?

Pls, feel free to educate me & explain what you meant by this sentence, thank you.

O0

Marvin,
Thank you for the example.  Would you mind sharing the bets that were won and lost?

QuoteWell not all of us have a winning method / way of play do we ? If I DID have a way of winning I'd be playing it, not playing poker like you stated you were..... If I had decided to stop offering consulting players (because it just wasn't worth my time) I'd of done it in a manor that ppl like me wouldn't question. Instead of the hissy fit you posted. Any ideas ? no I will pass thxs, who knows they could be right ?

So its not about roulette with you. It's questioning every statement to prove you may be right.

Quote1. Spike.

Many moons ago he said something along the lines of.....

Kimo Li's books shows you how to track to roulette ball. Neither book showed how to win at roulette.

I thought that summed it up well.

Many thought the world was flat at one time. I thought that summed it up well.

Quote2. 2Cats

He was member of your secret group over at VLS & has stated you produced nothing.

I stopped the program. 12 people at the same time, in house fighting, impossible. 2Cat got in because he was a moderator and had access to the group. I could not exclude him from the group, per Victor.  20/20.

QuoteI haven't dissed or bad mouth you, or your books, or in fact anybody playing a way via you.

You a good man.

QuotePls, feel free to educate me & explain what you meant by this sentence, thank you.

If the bull don't sh!t, the bull dies.

Kimo Li

O yeah. The  internet    the  modern version of the Bora Bora Syndrome ( James Michner ----Return to Paradise )

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 01, 03:51 PM 2015
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20249.msg148473#msg148473 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20249.msg148473#msg148473)
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20064.msg147113#msg147113 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20064.msg147113#msg147113)

Thank you Kimo-much appreciated! :)

Now, the first link is for a few posts where someone gives you 12 numbers and then you provide a number to hit within the next 6 spins. The only issue here is that there is no way to verify these numbers, as opposed to using the Spielbank database where everyone can check it out for themselves after all numbers are revealed. With a simple way to verify the spins, this is no longer suspect.

The second link appears to be for a competition, and I'm still sorting through all of the info (60 pages where they don't determine a winner-not sure what happened here).

If you would be open to it, I could post 10 sets of 12 numbers from different Spielbank days and let you select a number(s) to hit within the next 6 spins. If you are correct, then I could release the dates of the results for full transparency and verification. This is as close to proof as we can get without you explaining the full system.

thelaw,

That's a great idea. Everyone can participate. We will see if anyone from the roulette world can do this.
I will sit back and watch and let players predict. 12 exposed numbers, 6 spin predictions.
Why I won't do it? because I don't want my work to be reversed engineered.

So if you post the numbers, I am sure there are brave souls out there that would give it a shot, even if it is just for fun.

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 01, 05:59 PM 2015
thelaw,

That's a great idea. Everyone can participate. We will see if anyone from the roulette world can do this.
I will sit back and watch and let players predict. 12 exposed numbers, 6 spin predictions.
Why I won't do it? because I don't want my work to be reversed engineered.

So if you post the numbers, I am sure there are brave souls out there that would give it a shot, even if it is just for fun.

Kimo Li

Nice deflection Kimo.

So just to be clear- you did it once before, but you will not repeat it for fear that someone may reverse-engineer your method. You didn't seem worried about that before, but now you are? :question:

Well Kimo, I presented you with a fair opportunity to show your proof in a transparent way, and clearly you are not interested in showing that your method does indeed work as you say.

So now we are back to your work as a Con until proven otherwise. I was hoping that you would step up and clear the air with a test, but perhaps I was right all along.

You have truly taken trolling to a new high-art! What a massive waste of everyone's time. :sad2:

You seem to be short sighted.
Some of my students may play.
You may not know who there are, but they may play.
Besides, it will give players an opportunity to show that they understand how to play.

Kimo Li, may I ask how many roulette spins you have played live in your carrier and how many spins have you tested?

How many times have you doubled your initial BR that you once started out with on spin one for real money?

Have you ever tested your method through a computer?

How did you come to the conclusion that your method will always win for you? or better said. will never see you below your starting BR?

Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 01, 06:17 PM 2015
You seem to be short sighted.
Some of my students may play.
You may not know who there are, but they may play.
Besides, it will give players an opportunity to show that they understand how to play.

This reminds me of what happened when the UFC first started. They called out far and wide looking for martial arts Masters whose reputations had become something of legend. Videos would show these "masters" literally knocking over their opponents with Chi/energy/Prana/etc, and the UFC invited them in to challenges with other fighters at local gyms to show their abilities.

What happened? They were destroyed by real MMA fighters with actual skills. There were no "five-finger-death-punches", just Con-men who had prayed on the ignorance of others for centuries.

Kimo has now taken his rightful place in the long line of hucksters fully adept at separating a sucker from his money.

At least he's getting plenty of attention! :twisted:

thelaw,

I guess I am no longer worth your time. That's a good thing.

Kimo Li

amk,

QuoteKimo Li, may I ask how many roulette spins you have played live in your career and how many spins have you tested?

I cannot answer that question, a lot. I test fifty spins a day, just for fun.

QuoteHow many times have you doubled your initial BR that you once started out with on spin one for real money?

Average, 7 out of 10 times.

QuoteHave you ever tested your method through a computer?

Only on spreadsheets.

QuoteHow did you come to the conclusion that your method will always win for you? or better said. will never see you below your starting BR?

I have lost many bankroll many times in the past, learning curve. Now, I will never lose my bankroll.

Kimo Li

Thanks for your reply Kimo Li.

Concerning your answer about how many times you doubled your BR you mention an "Average, 7 out of 10 times".

This is can only be calculated when you have a certain amount of total wins and losses to calculate it from.

May I ask what the grand total is which would come out to a 7 out of 10 times average? is this based upon 7000 out of 10,000?

I start with 500.00 dollars.
I win 1500.00 7 times.
I lose 500.00 3 times
each session consist of 8 to 12 spins.
My bankroll is 10,000.00 dollars
7,000.00 plus / 1500.00 minus
average profit 5,500.00 per 10 sessions

Hi Kimo;

Win 7 times $1500.00 would be $10,500.00
Lose 3 time $500.00 would be $1500.00

$10,500.00 plus / $1500.00 minus
Profit = $9000.00

Correct ?

I start each session with a 500.00.
I stop at 1500.00, which is a 1000.00 profit.
If I lose, I lose only 500.00

Hi Kimo Li , are you up for answering another couple of questions ? I'm sure many would be very grateful, I know I would. You wrote :-


" each session consist of 8 to 12 spins. "


What would be the number of observation spins prior to betting and how many wins would you target in your 8 to 12 spins ?

Cheers.

Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 01, 04:34 PM 2015
Marvin,
Thank you for the example.  Would you mind sharing the bets that were won and lost?

the "W" is a win and the "L"  is a lost.
based of last 3 spin you are betting that it will hit in the next 3 spin.
as ive said before just keep on staring at it later on you will have a light bulb moment.

PS.
just dont smoke weed while staring at it. :twisted:

Quote from: marvin on Jul 02, 09:26 AM 2015
the "W" is a win and the "L"  is a lost.
based of last 3 spin you are betting that it will hit in the next 3 spin.
as ive said before just keep on staring at it later on you will have a light bulb moment.

PS.
just dont smoke weed while staring at it. :twisted:

I see the W and the L but want to know what Pie and what Star won or lost. Were you betting Stars and/or Pies?

thelaw, Kimo Li did not scam anyone as much as i know. He is not selling anything through this forum. But he helps people from time to time. I think you have rather something personal against him instead of discussing his methods. And i can clearly see you are trying to draw as much attention in discrediting him as you can. I won't beat around the bush.  I think it's time to talk about it in Mod lounge, what other Mods will think about it.

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 07:38 PM 2015
thelaw, Kimo Li did not scam anyone as much as i know. He is not selling anything through this forum. But he helps people from time to time. I think you have rather something personal against him instead of discussing his methods. I won't beat around the bush.  I think it's time to talk about it in Mod lounge, what other Mods will think about it.

he WAS selling through his forum iggiv, his consultations had a fee involved......

O0

Maybe through his, but i have never seen him advertising anything here. He also helped many people for free. He also tried to help me as well without any fee.

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 07:48 PM 2015
Maybe through his, but i have never seen him advertising anything here. He also helped many people for free. He also tried to help me as well without any fee.

Grrrr darn it, I re read my last post & was about to edit it, but you replied first. Sorry I mis read what you posted !!!!

My apologies !!!!!!

O0

no problem bud

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 07:48 PM 2015
Maybe through his, but i have never seen him advertising anything here. He also helped many people for free. He also tried to help me as well without any fee.

So you accuse me of having something personal against him, and yet you actually have a personal relationship with him. I don't know what's going on here Iggiv, but you have now accused me of something for which you have a clear vested interest (personally learning from Kimo). This is absolutely inappropriate behavior from a Mod.

Iggiv, with all due respect, Kimo has never given more info than John Legend or Falkor ever did, and yet we know them to be scam artists.

I asked Kimo to prove his system in a fair way with full transparency that would only replicate something that he did before (providing predictions based on the last 12 numbers-he provided the link to this from the VLS forum) and he declined. Literally asking him to recreate the proof he presented before, but this time with actual transparency from a Spielbank, not just random numbers provided from another member.

This is Uri Gellar going on the Tonight Show and Carson presenting him with metal objects to bend. What happened? Uri couldn't do it because it was a hoax.

Where are all the winners using Kimo's strategy? Iggiv, are you winning with his tutoring?

We are not in the court, i already told you. You have no right to demand such things. Who are you? Official investigator?
The man clearly did not promise anything, why the hell are you demanding proof? Who are you? Official inverstigator? I think you just try to troll and play on his nerves, and that's it.  Why you accuse him of being scam artist? What basis do you have?


I am not doing it out of personal relationship. I am doing it because what you do is unfair. Let's see what other Mods say.
I may be wrong, we'll see what they  say.

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 08:30 PM 2015
We are not in the court, i already told you. You have no right to demand such things. Who are you? Official investigator?
The man clearly did not promise anything, why the hell are you demanding proof? Who are you? Official inverstigator? I think you just try to troll and play on his nerves, and that's it.  Why you accuse him of being scam artist? What basis do you have?


I am not doing it out of personal relationship. I am doing it because what you do is unfair. Let's see what other Mods say.
I may be wrong, we'll see what they  say.

First, I have never demanded anything from Kimo. I simply asked him to provide proof. How did that become such a radical and inappropriate request? 

Second, where would this forum be without proof? Imagine all of the ideas from Ignatus without the actual full detailed system. How much time would we waste down the rabbit hole of speculation?

Finally, I use the word "scam" because he is selling supportive information (charts, books, etc) detailing his bet selection without any proof of a working system. I would say the same thing if John Legend was selling "Pattern Breaker" charting sheets an any forum or website.

What he does outside this forum is his business. The fact is he is not advertising it here. He just discusses roulette. You demand a proof.
What you say "ask" is actually looks like a demand. Then you use the word "scam". Then you use red colour to draw attention.
Then you are making innocent eyes like..."Oh, i never tried to discredit him, just a simple question".

The man already answered this question 100 times, he is not interested to give you a proof, actually he says it won't work for everyone, try it on you own risk. There is nothing wrong about it. But it's not enough for you. You want to repeat it over and over again to discredit him. I think you are a smart troll using dirty tricks.

Marvin,
Also, what is your strike rate overall for either 6 or 12 numbers?

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 08:48 PM 2015
What he does outside this forum is his business. The fact is he is not advertising it here. He just discusses roulette. You demand a proof.
What you say "ask" is actually looks like a demand. Then you use the word "scam". Then you use red colour to draw attention.
Then you are making innocent eyes like..."Oh, i never tried to discredit him, just a simple question".

The man already answered this question 100 times, he is not interested to give you a proof, actually he says it won't work for everyone, try it on you own risk. There is nothing wrong about it. But it's not enough for you. You want to repeat it over and over again to discredit him. I think you are a smart troll using dirty tricks.

So it really boils down to one statement that you just made : "he actually says that it won't work for everyone".

In the link that Kimo himself provided, he presented proof from knowing the previous 12 numbers. How is this something that could not work for everyone?

I could understand if he said that not everyone would put in the time and practice to learn it, but his (your) claim is much more vague. I think the technical term is Invisible Compromise.

What if I said that I had a workable Martingale, but it wouldn't work for everyone? Perhaps "Pattern Breaker" just didn't work for those on this forum, but was very successful for others.

Kimo Li's book came out in 2005; that's 10 years ago. Where are all of winners from this method?

When is the last time anyone has presented proof of a working method/system to beat the game?

it's the same song all over again. His book does not represent a method. Did you actually read it? You just repeat it over and over again.


OK, let's see what other mods think about it. I am pretty tired with you already. I imagine how Kimo is.

iggiv,
I'm not taking sides here but Kimo Li has made some pretty big claims and has said he often leaves 'clues' that point people in a direction.  Possibly, a very misleading direction. Without forums, no one would be discussing Kimo Li bc we know he does not make much selling books and well, just look at those reviews.  What he does here, helping or not, IS advertising. Plain and simple.  Does his 'strategy' work?  I have no idea.  I do know what I have seen does not work and falls in line with probability. And I've seen more than most.  Honestly, I believe Kimo Li thinks what he knows works consistently. He claims to have a multitude of Holy Grails (his words). He also claims to demonstrate success once a month.  My guess is this... he makes more from the percentage of his students/members play which eliminates most of his risk.  Brilliant and good for him in the long run.

Let's all get back to the aim of this forum - beating a game we love.  Maybe, just maybe, we could all win.

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 09:17 PM 2015
it's the same song all over again. His book does not represent a method. Did you actually read it? You just repeat it over and over again.


OK, let's see what other mods think about it. I am pretty tired with you already. I imagine how Kimo is.

I agree. Please take this to the other Mods. This is no longer productive for the forum.

Amen.

Let's get back to roulette and stop arguing "advertising--not advertising". I know what advertising is. I know how scammers look for their
suckers. So...Stop discussing those questions and let's get back to actual methods. Here Kimo Li's  info can be useful for someone. And whoever finds it not useful for himself, so what? Just stay aside...There is at least no harm to anyone if he is answering questions.

Hi all,

RouletteGhost started this thread. I replied because some people were saying things that were untrue, posting defamation statements about my character.
One of my students, who views this thread, said to me why do I waste my time, something to that effect. My response was, "sometimes there's just not enough rocks", phrase from the movie, Forrest Gump.

What keeps me positive are the people who pursue roulette with great passion, willing to ask the right questions. Marvin, for example, who is not a student of mine, posted a spreadsheet showing you his results. People are asking. It appears he is not quick to answer because I believe he has worked really hard for a long time to give it out so easily.

He definitely paid his dues. The light came on for him.

So in light of what is going on, I had asked a Mod to collaborate with other Mods to find a solution. I suggested to lock this thread.

Kimo Li

I did not want to lock this thread hoping that it will come back to productive ways. But then thelaw started his sarcastic comments again. He just can't stop. OK, i agree now and lock the thread. I deleted his remark. Damn, some people just enjoy being pain in the butt.
I suggest to people who still want to discuss roulette to start a new thread and remove from it whatever is disturbing for actual method discussion.