SUBJ. 5 TIMES THE SAME NUMBER 1 IN BETVOYAGER!
ANYBODY SEEN SUCH A THING?
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Yep...
Seen it go even longer.
RNG is a strange beast.
You would think that with 36 numbers.
That it would pick a random number every time.
Well, if you consider it.
This is what it did.
It picked a random number.
On each spin.
Can it pick the same number 6 7 8 9 or even 10 times in a row?
Yep... It is very rare.
But it can happen.
Can the same thing happen at a live wheel?
You bet your life it can.
Some dealers are so skilled that they can get the ball in the same hole several times.
Or at least it seems to be the case.
Some people will tell me that the above proves that random is rigged.
And they swear by their idea that live is better.
Until that is...
When a similar situation occurs.
Then they have no explanation.
And blame all sort of things for their losses.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Oct 05, 10:23 PM 2010
Yep...
Seen it go even longer.
RNG is a strange beast.
You would think that with 36 numbers.
That it would pick a random number every time.
Well, if you consider it.
This is what it did.
It picked a random number.
On each spin.
Can it pick the same number 6 7 8 9 or even 10 times in a row?
Yep... It is very rare.
But it can happen.
Can the same thing happen at a live wheel?
You bet your life it can.
Some dealers are so skilled that they can get the ball in the same hole several times.
Or at least it seems to be the case.
Some people will tell me that the above proves that random is rigged.
And they swear by their idea that live is better.
Until that is...
When a similar situation occurs.
Then they have no explanation.
And blame all sort of things for their losses.
how many times have u seen it? 4 times or more?
i have seen it more than 3 times in a row for a first time
A single number appearing 4 times in row is not very rare even in live wheel because there is no limit and it could be due to some temporary problems also. RNG is programmed to give worst possible numbers and hence to create difficulty, it gives such an unusual sequence. However, a balanced method like my 18 numbers on marquee would have earned me very big in such a situation. In reported cases, I have read in some ebook that a 7 appeared seven times straight in some Las Vegas casino once. Personally, I have seen a number appearing 5 times straight in a land based casino.
Quote from: albalaha on Oct 05, 11:08 PM 2010
RNG is programmed to give worst possible numbers and hence to create difficulty, it gives such an unusual sequence.
Please tell us all how RNG is "programmed to give worst possible numbers" and what ARE the worst possible numbers to get?
AD
RNG usually delivers a number without any logic, there is nothing like a wheel or ball, hence no sectors etc. It just pops a number everytime out of 37/38 numbers that it has as per the programming done upon it. Some of them even average out your winnings and when you play big, you will lose irrespective of your method. Do not forget that RNG produces a single number for a single player and that too when you have already placed your bets, hence it can give most undesired results.
Quote from: albalaha on Oct 06, 12:00 AM 2010
RNG usually delivers a number without any logic, there is nothing like a wheel or ball, hence no sectors etc. It just pops a number everytime out of 37/38 numbers that it has as per the programming done upon it. Some of them even average out your winnings and when you play big, you will lose irrespective of your method. Do not forget that RNG produces a single number for a single player and that too when you have already placed your bets, hence it can give most undesired results.
Prove it. Please show me one instance of an RNG game "averaging out your winnings" when you play big. An example of an "undesired result" would also be a good proof positive.
For the record, I do NOT play RNG games, even for practice.
However, I do find your claims to be slightly outrageous and as I've never seen anyone ever post up a single instance of RNG manipulation, I just can't let your statements stand as fact!
AD
if it was easy to prove then they would not do it. Since u never play RNG u can't understand what's goin on. If u wanna feel it yourself go to any online Playtech casino and play their RNG for an hour a few times. Real money. say u chose 5 streets out of 6 and see how frequently your winnings will be. And compare it to live roulette.
Though it is not being said about Betvoyager, their RNG is as random as any live wheel.
Well said Igal
Quote from: iggiv on Oct 06, 09:17 PM 2010
if it was easy to prove then they would not do it. Since u never play RNG u can't understand what's goin on. If u wanna feel it yourself go to any online Playtech casino and play their RNG for an hour a few times. Real money. say u chose 5 streets out of 6 and see how frequently your winnings will be. And compare it to live roulette.
There is a reason I don't play RNG for money. It's just my personal feeling that it's not the same as a live shoe although MANY other guys have shown me statistics, computer runs, tons of data and various other methods that show that RNG and LIVE are statistically exact.
Some swear by the honesty of RNG. Some swear at RNG. I just don't play it.
If it's as bad as everyone makes it out to be, why do people continue to play it???
So, back to the original request.
Will someone PLEASE post up the results of a manipulated RNG roulette run?
If it is as pervasive as everyone says, surely somebody has a screen shot or session run where the results were "manipulated" by the RNG casino.
AD
Manipulation can't be seen in terms of numbers, it works upon your bets, hence, only the person staking his money can understand it. you can feel the cheating when you stake most numbers and in such case the left out numbers will come out more than faster.
Quote from: albalaha on Oct 07, 12:06 AM 2010
Manipulation can't be seen in terms of numbers, it works upon your bets, hence, only the person staking his money can understand it. you can feel the cheating when you stake most numbers and in such case the left out numbers will come out more than faster.
Yes albalaha is correct
I once watched someone play RNG Roulette. He played Ã,£100 a spin and every number was covered bar two.
1st spin one of the uncovered numbers came up
2nd spin the other uncovered number came up !!
Also the same for RNG Poker
Ã,£500 chip always drew a 13
You hit you know ure bust you dont hit you know the dealer will beat you !
ONLY play LIVE is my heart
Paddypower play Live Blackjack etc, this I trust 100%
Make an account, dont deposit, click the link and watch !
*Plus the Dealers (all from Latvia) are Stunningly Gorgeous :D
I'm now convinced BetVoyager is as rigged as so many other RNGs.
I decided that as my balance went from 5 euros to 26, I'd use 20 of 'their' money to try out the Cycle Roulette method using just 1c chips. (I'm not stupid enough to trust them with higher amounts...it's RNG!)
See the DOWNLOAD below.
Here's what happened yesterday:
I used 1c minimum, so 5c for the maximum
Using dozen 1: All A B C D E bets lost
OK. Now I was into
Cycle 1
That meant reverting to Bet A. (hardly any bets) Immediately, up came Dozen 1....Won. (Typical!)
So then it was on to Bet C with maximum 5c chips. Big outlay but a big payday....lost.
Bet C again with 10c chips....lost.
Bet C again with 15c chips....lost. Hmmm....
Back to Bet A again with just 4 chips...Won (BV didn't have to payout much...)
Cycle 2
So then it was on to Bet C with maximum 5c chips...lost.
Bet C again with 10c chips....lost.
Bet C again with 15c chips....lost
Back to Bet A again with just 4 chips...Won
OK. It happens, but twice now it has refused a big payout but paid on the tiny one....
Cycle 3
So then it was on to Bet C with maximum 5c chips....lost.
Bet C again with 10c chips....lost.
Bet C again with 15c chips....lost
Back to Bet A again with just 4 chips...WON
THREE TIMES now it refused a big payout but paid on the tiny one.....
Once = bad luck...
Twice = coincidence, perhaps...
THIRD TIME = RIGGED
Too much of a pattern there. Too far beyond co-incidental.
So much for their much extolled Random Control.
It's BS.
Frankly, if I could find a live site with 1c chips I'd use that for testing.
Any ideas?
RNG vs Real Live Tables.
Ohh my gosh hear we go again.
RNG is rigged people tell me.
It's not fair.
It does strange things.
Now, your saying BV is rigged.
I honestly don't know how many times I have to tell people this.
RNG is NOT, repeat NOT rigged.
Can anyone prove that it is?
Go on, I dare you.
Prove to me that RNG is rigged.
The case in point.
RNG at BV.
5 numbers turn up.
That are the same.
The question then is.
Can this happen at a live casino?
I would have to say yes.
Even stranger things have happened at live tables at times.
I am going to remind you all.
YOU ARE PLAYING ROULETTE..
for frak sake...
It's a game of chance.
Every spin is a chance.
Either RNG or Real.
Makes no difference to me.
I can only speak from experience
I can not prove my opinion, but then I dont have to.
I ALWAYS lose with RNG. ALWAYS.
RNG's version of Random is NOT the same as "Normal" Random, in my opinion based on my experience.
However, each to his own.
Give me dublinbet or paddypower with real wheels from real casino's anyday !
QuoteRNG's version of Random is NOT the same as "Normal" Random, in my opinion based on my experience.
Do you think you would be able to tell the difference between 2 sets of spins if you didn't know which came from an RNG and which came from a real wheel? It might be an interesting test.
@ esoito,
I don't know the system you were using, but do you have a record of how many spins you played and lost?
Quote from: Bayes on Oct 07, 10:03 AM 2010
Do you think you would be able to tell the difference between 2 sets of spins if you didn't know which came from an RNG and which came from a real wheel? It might be an interesting test.
@ esoito,
I don't know the system you were using, but do you have a record of how many spins you played and lost?
Now that is an excellent point.
Of course, just because you may not be able to tell the difference doesn't mean the online casino wasn't cheating. It would be very hard to prove it if they were, especially if you're using a progression, because all they would need to do is rig a few bets here and there at crucial points in your play - the stats need not necessarily be "suspicious" if that's what they were doing.
Quote from: Bayes on Oct 07, 10:16 AM 2010
Of course, just because you may not be able to tell the difference doesn't mean the online casino wasn't cheating. It would be very hard to prove it if they were, especially if you're using a progression, because all they would need to do is rig a few bets here and there at crucial points in your play - the stats need not necessarily be "suspicious" if that's what they were doing.
No I probably cudnt tell the difference btwn the 2 strings of numbers, one RNG and one Real
However you answer the question with ure own reply above^^
For me thats the Key.
I cant tell you how many times ive been dealt 13 on a 500 chip on BJ
Ive played and watched ppl play RNG and my opinion is it is NOT TRULY RANDOM
As you say Bayes, it only takes a one number manipulation here and there and bam ure done
Its an age old debate. One that can never be trully answered.
I always say if you prefer RNG and win at it, then good on ya and keep doing it !
It just aint for me :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 07, 10:38 AM 2010
Its an age old debate. One that can never be trully answered.
Or at least I thought it cudnt lol......... 8)
(Sigh) Now BetVoyager is suppose to be rigged.. <rolls eyes>
I must say I'm completely neutral about betvoyager.
Kindly read a reply to this thread here: link:://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/*documented*-proof-of-cheating-rng-software/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/*documented*-proof-of-cheating-rng-software/)
Well, if that PROOF doesn't convince the intransigent, one-eyed-RNG-is-OK brigade then they deserve to continue to be fleeced like the sheep they are!!
Talk about cynical and deceitful exploitation of customers...a pity the perpetratyors of this software can't appear in court to try to justify what is basically a type of fraud.
Victor, it's SO important could I suggest you also post the above on the main board as well?
Hello dear Esoito,
Feel free to post the link in as many places as you feel like :)
The most hateful thing is an rng generates number for a particular user and can easily manipulate wherever required and you can't say anything because it is said to be random.
Thank you for sharing that info with the rest of the guys Vic :thumbsup:
Obviously some will still believe in RNG and if they want to, then fine. Just remember when you put down that slightly larger bet.......think on :o
the alternative is to play very short and rare sessions in RNG. remember all this they can do when they get your betting pattern. before it u r safe.
Good point, iggiv.
But you'd have to be spot on with the timing. Leave it too long and...
As you can see, I would still discourage even very short play, as you suggest, on RNG. You just don't know when the 'pattern recognition' will cut in and work against you.
Quote from: iggiv on Oct 08, 06:46 AM 2010
The alternative is to play very short and rare sessions in RNG. remember all this they can do when they get your betting pattern. before it you are safe.
Sound advice....and play multiple casino's so that you only target the one casino every so often.
Quote from: furple on Oct 08, 08:36 AM 2010
Sound advice....and play multiple casino's so that you only target the one casino every so often.
right on