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Title: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 10, 04:56 AM 2015
Hi,

Our old friend Martin Silverthorne and his partners are at it again!

sharpshooterroulette.com

Don't be fooled - Simply a reboot of "SuperQuadsRoulette" now advertised under a different name

montecarlomultiplier.com

Huge advert for this! Took ages to scroll through all the guff.

There's a VERY SUSPECT (like all of theirs) video demo of it here:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=YKvm4nWXigU (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=YKvm4nWXigU)

Apparently this works on roulette, craps, baccarat and sic bo!

And get this-
"Using a System Based on the Same Principles Used to Develop the First Atomic Bomb!"

"The Power Behind this Extraordinary System Comes From a Process So Powerful It Was Used to Develop the First Atomic Bomb!
In the mid 1940s a secret project was under way at Los Alamos National Laboratory.  Hidden in the mountaintop town of Los Alamos, New Mexico, it was so secret that even Harry Truman had never heard of it when he became president...."

AND SO IT GOES ON........ AND ON......  :smile:  :smile:

Couldn't help smiling a little whilst drinking my morning coffee as I read through all this  :twisted:

Works by betting BOTH sides of an EC... although why on earth he has not used DIFFERENTIAL betting God only knows!?

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: GLC on Aug 10, 02:06 PM 2015
Thanks for the heads-up.

That "powerful process" angle ought to bilk a few thousand out of the uninformed.

I'm sure some of the newbies on this forum are benefited by alerts like this. 

How do you even know about these kinds of shinanigans?

I was going to use an "abducted by aliens who gave me the secret formula for beating roulette" line on my new system, but now that I know I'll go on your watchdog list, I'll go find another forum to post it on. :lol: :lol:

GLC

GLC
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 27, 06:19 AM 2015
Silverthorne and Co. are at it again!
A NEW site called the "Devereux System" appears at:
link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/DevereuxSystem/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/DevereuxSystem/)

However - I discovered it is simply another alias for the existing "Bet Master" system at:
link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/BetMasterStrategy/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/BetMasterStrategy/)

Be careful. Don't be fooled!

They are one and the same.

What really sucks and exposes the whole thing is that he has got SEVERAL repeat testimonials attesting to the success of them BOTH on each of the 2 site pages.
When you examine these you see that they spout exactly the same textual blurb - but are attributed to DIFFERENT named individual reviewers of the system(s)!!!!
A little bit careless, don't u think...

eg:
"Ron Has Won $87,984 as a Devereux System Player.  But he’s not done yet . . .

Ron S. plays roulette in both land-based and online casinos.  He is now adding mini-baccarat to his “tool chest” because this game is played faster than roulette.  At this point in his win plan he is concentrating on raising his hourly winning to even higher levels.  Ron calls it “getting more bang for the buck.”

So far, Ron has won $87,984.  He now is a $25 roulette bettor and is starting to play baccarat at the $10 level."

eg:
"Ken Has Won $87,984 as a Bet Master.  But he’s not done yet . . .

Ken S. plays roulette in both land-based and online casinos.  He is now adding mini-baccarat to his “tool chest” because this game is played faster than roulette.  At this point in his win plan he is concentrating on raising his hourly winning to even higher levels.  Ken calls it “getting more bang for the buck.”

So far, Ken has won $87,984.  He now is a $25 roulette bettor and is starting to play baccarat at the $10 level."

UHHH!? 2 different clients  - SAME review!

and there are others too...

Carl G. mysteriously changes to be Alex G.

Lyndsay becomes Emma

This should clear up the matter of their testimonials once and for all - if we did not already suspect it, that is!  :)

Take care,
A.





Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 12, 07:34 AM 2015
Hi Any BLACKJACK enthusiasts,

FYI the new method announced very recently:
link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/SterlingStrategy/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/SterlingStrategy/)

This is just a rebrand of the existing 2012 strategy from Silverthorne:
link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Formula57Blackjack/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Formula57Blackjack/)

Don't be fooled.

Dunno why they renamed it - My guess, knowing him, it more to do with sales techniques, market positioning and SEO reasons.  :)

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 05:30 AM 2015
Hi any BLACKJACK players,

FYI, this new method announced recently:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Seven-BetBlackjack/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Seven-BetBlackjack/)   

This appears to be the same strategy he published in 2012 under a different moniker:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/QuickStrikeBlackjack/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/QuickStrikeBlackjack/) 

Don't be fooled!

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 03, 06:35 AM 2015
Just released is: "Pattern Master Roulette!"

:.GamblersBookcase.com/PatternMasterRoulette (link:://:.GamblersBookcase.com/PatternMasterRoulette)

This seems to be simply just a reboot of their 2011 system:

"Hunter Roulette" under a different name...

See:

link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/HunterRoulette/ (link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/HunterRoulette/)

Don't be fooled!

There's a video clip demo of it here:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1rC4lVLdwM4 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1rC4lVLdwM4)

Warning: Their vid examples never use a REAL roulette table and so it's hard to be in any way impressed or convinced.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Chrisbis on Oct 03, 11:16 AM 2015
 :thumbsup:
Thanks for the heads up
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 20, 06:04 AM 2015
Hi,

The new site:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/StrikerBetting/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/StrikerBetting/)

and accompanying baccarat video:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=I2AbvX2dATQ (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=I2AbvX2dATQ)

This just appears to be another latest reincarnation of an already previously existing system by them:

link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/Six-BetBaccarat/ (link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/Six-BetBaccarat/)

The text blurb is in many instances word for word and the testimonials are exactly the SAME.  :)

One thing puzzles me though - on the new site the inventor/originator is listed as George Stearn, whereas on the old site the system deviser is named as Andrew Devereau.... A surprising and perplexing inconsistency that rings alarm bells and hardly adds to the product authenticity!  I've seen their names before on his other system promotions and always doubted that they really ever existed at all!  Go figure...

Don't be fooled by this repackaging ploy.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 27, 08:11 AM 2015
Another new(?) "system" of theirs has just surfaced...

link:://:.streetsmartroulette.com/ (link:://:.streetsmartroulette.com/)

plus what seems a  'dodgy' engineered video demo here:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4yU0W_jWGVI (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4yU0W_jWGVI)
A very short clip which shows and proves... well, nothing really.

This one appears to be based on the same principles as their Sharpshooter roulette (for quads) and rouletteformulaCBW (for lines) and in essence looks to be nothing really new.
It's like they thought "Hmmm... let's not miss a trick here - we'll make another one for the STREETS as well and charge $99 for that as well!"

All their systems seem to be around the same price point - $99 (currently)

Their familiar marketing statements and headlines are a bit over-the-top and beggar belief:

"Turn $50 Into $25,000 in the Next Two Days!"

"Proven to Perform with a Guaranteed 99.37% Win Rate!"

"In just three hours playing online I won $7,239!  And I did it making small bets!"

“Following your plan I was able to win $47,589 my first week"

"Yet because it is 100% legal there is not a thing the casinos can do to prevent you from winning!"
   :) :)

etc.. etc..

Members here can invest a little worthwhile time to search the many such street systems in the forum archives that are free of charge and without any dubious claims attached.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 28, 11:30 AM 2015
Hi,

The Silverthorne "Bulgarian Trap" blackjack strategy below:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/BulgarianTrap/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/BulgarianTrap/)

This is none other than a repackage of the previously released "Shark Attack" blackjack strategy from 2011 here:

link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/SharkAttackBlackjack/ (link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/SharkAttackBlackjack/)

Same testimonials and marketing guff on both of them!

I actually found the "Shark Attack" was downloadeable for free if you search on Google...  Maybe that's why they set up a new site for it??

Good luck  - if you ever decide to play it!  :)

Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 28, 11:56 AM 2015
I notice in many of his PDFs he promotes certain casinos.

He probably is paid by them too.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 13, 10:36 AM 2015
The latest video by them is:

link:://:.targetblackjack.com/ (link:://:.targetblackjack.com/)

This very much seems to be a rename of an earlier released one:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Five-CountBaccarat/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Five-CountBaccarat/)

Don't be fooled!

Take care.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: zolrais on Nov 13, 10:47 PM 2015
here is street smart roulette streetsmartroulette.com/dnStrSmRorf10125Tfg9nV.htm
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: button on Nov 13, 10:54 PM 2015
Quote from: zolrais on Nov 13, 10:47 PM 2015
here is street smart roulette streetsmartroulette.com/dnStrSmRorf10125Tfg9nV.htm

More junk. Thanks.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 18, 01:47 PM 2015
Thanks zolrais,

The latest news from them is:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/CooperFormulaBaccarat/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/CooperFormulaBaccarat/)

Be aware this is NOT something new at all. It's simply a reboot of Trace Cooper's Tri-Power baccarat from 2011:

link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/Tri-PowerBacc/ (link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/Tri-PowerBacc/)

Seaching from google, I even found a page where you could download it...

Compare the 2 sites - they are more or less word for word IDENTICAL!!

Don't be fooled!

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 19, 06:00 AM 2015
Hi,

A new video "HunterBlackjack" has been posted from Silverthorne and his associates:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilpmajn1HJg (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilpmajn1HJg)

Here is the site page:
link:://:.GamblersBookcase.com/HunterBlackjack (link:://:.GamblersBookcase.com/HunterBlackjack)

I checked and this is the EXACT SAME system advert posted previously under a totally different name (it is called the "Fletcher Formula")

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/FletcherFormula/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/FletcherFormula/)

Very strange and worrying, don't you think, that we have 2 sites with the SAME word-for-word sales pitch - yet with 2 different people (Russell Hunter and Greg Fletcher) both claiming to have devised it!!

Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 26, 05:56 AM 2015
Hi,

Silverthorne has just released what appears to be yet another "new" system just in time for Xmas/NewYear:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/TBettingSystem/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/TBettingSystem/)

Upon further investigation I am un-surprised that this turns out to be just a rebrand of an earlier system from them:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/ChaosBetting/ (link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/ChaosBetting/)

Don't be fooled!

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: NextYear on Dec 26, 06:42 AM 2015
Thanks, Atlantis!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 18, 05:46 AM 2016
New from Silverthorne & Co is:

"The R System Roulette!"

link:://:.rsystemroulette.com/

It's a dozen betting system and there is a demo vid on their channel here:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=yqwKpIfAbKY

Well, well! Whadya' know! This turns out to be none other than a previously released system a.k.a

"Fletcher's Power Pro Roulette"
link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/PowerProRoulette/

It is exactly the same.

I discovered that if you type:
"fletcher's power pro roulette" into google search you can even check out the PDF online!
(Seems to be simply a bet on DBL doz with his usual progression)

Don't be fooled.
Take care,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 18, 10:54 AM 2016
Regarding the above system - I quite like the idea of betting the decision before last dozen but my idea of a more sensible way of playing this would be to firstly wait for FIVE VIRTUAL LOSSES in a row THEN play for DBL DOZ but with a more conservative progression:
1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4...etc..
up 1 on a L; down 2 on a W; (reset if level or ahead)

Quick test in RX:

Spin   Number   Type   Bet Unit   Win   Loss   Net   Unit Bal.   Bet Layout
=========================================================
1   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
2   30   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
3   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
4   22   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
5   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
6   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
7   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
8   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
9   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
10   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
11   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
12   17   No Bet   0   0   0   0   100   
13   13   Bet   1   3   -1   2   102   1 : 2nd Dozen
14   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   102   
15   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   102   
16   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   102   
17   17   No Bet   0   0   0   0   102   
18   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   102   
19   29   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   101   1 : 2nd Dozen
20   10   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   100   1 : 2nd Dozen
21   11   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   99   1 : 3rd Dozen
22   17   Bet   2   0   -2   -2   97   2 : 1st Dozen
23   8   Bet   2   6   -2   4   101   2 : 1st Dozen
24   22   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
25   5   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
26   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
27   19   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
28   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
29   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
30   20   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
31   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
32   30   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
33   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
34   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
35   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
36   34   No Bet   0   0   0   0   101   
37   13   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   100   1 : 3rd Dozen
38   31   Bet   2   6   -2   4   104   2 : 3rd Dozen
39   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   104   
40   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   104   
41   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   104   
42   32   No Bet   0   0   0   0   104   
43   18   No Bet   0   0   0   0   104   
44   36   Bet   1   3   -1   2   106   1 : 3rd Dozen
45   32   No Bet   0   0   0   0   106   
46   15   No Bet   0   0   0   0   106   
47   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   106   
48   9   No Bet   0   0   0   0   106   
49   22   No Bet   0   0   0   0   106   
50   8   Bet   1   3   -1   2   108   1 : 1st Dozen
51   19   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
52   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
53   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
54   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
55   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
56   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
57   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
58   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
59   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
60   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
61   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
62   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
63   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
64   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
65   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
66   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
67   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
68   28   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
69   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
70   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
71   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
72   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
73   32   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
74   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
75   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
76   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
77   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
78   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
79   19   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
80   9   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
81   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
82   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
83   17   No Bet   0   0   0   0   108   
84   32   Bet   1   3   -1   2   110   1 : 3rd Dozen
85   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
86   28   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
87   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
88   20   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
89   34   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
90   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
91   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
92   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   110   
93   19   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   109   1 : 1st Dozen
94   18   Bet   1   3   -1   2   111   1 : 2nd Dozen
95   22   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
96   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
97   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
98   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
99   29   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
100   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
101   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
102   18   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
103   28   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
104   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
105   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
106   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
107   10   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
108   36   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   110   1 : 2nd Dozen
109   21   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   109   1 : 1st Dozen
110   32   Bet   1   3   -1   2   111   1 : 3rd Dozen
111   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
112   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
113   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
114   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
115   29   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
116   31   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
117   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
118   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
119   4   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
120   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
121   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
122   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
123   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
124   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
125   28   No Bet   0   0   0   0   111   
126   28   Bet   1   3   -1   2   113   1 : 3rd Dozen
127   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
128   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
129   4   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
130   4   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
131   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
132   31   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
133   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
134   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
135   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
136   8   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
137   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
138   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
139   5   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
140   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
141   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
142   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
143   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
144   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   113   
145   9   Bet   1   3   -1   2   115   1 : 1st Dozen
146   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
147   18   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
148   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
149   29   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
150   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
151   8   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
152   19   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
153   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
154   8   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
155   8   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
156   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
157   8   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
158   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
159   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
160   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
161   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
162   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
163   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
164   10   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
165   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
166   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
167   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
168   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
169   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
170   15   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
171   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
172   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
173   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
174   36   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
175   9   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
176   36   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
177   4   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
178   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
179   15   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
180   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
181   19   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
182   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
183   34   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
184   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
185   28   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
186   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
187   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
188   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
189   34   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
190   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   115   
191   9   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   114   1 : 3rd Dozen
192   35   Bet   1   3   -1   2   116   1 : 3rd Dozen
193   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
194   32   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
195   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
196   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
197   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
198   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
199   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
200   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
201   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
202   15   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
203   4   No Bet   0   0   0   0   116   
204   27   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   115   1 : 2nd Dozen
205   1   Bet   1   3   -1   2   117   1 : 1st Dozen
206   18   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
207   31   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
208   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
209   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
210   28   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
211   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
212   8   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
213   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
214   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   117   
215   9   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   116   1 : 3rd Dozen
216   35   Bet   1   3   -1   2   118   1 : 3rd Dozen
217   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
218   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
219   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
220   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
221   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
222   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
223   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
224   25   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
225   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
226   34   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
227   15   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
228   2   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
229   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
230   8   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
231   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
232   31   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
233   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
234   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
235   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
236   34   No Bet   0   0   0   0   118   
237   24   Bet   1   0   -1   -1   117   1 : 1st Dozen
238   30   Bet   1   3   -1   2   119   1 : 3rd Dozen
239   17   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
240   10   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
241   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
242   4   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
243   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
244   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
245   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
246   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
247   30   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
248   5   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
249   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
250   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
251   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   119   
252   4   Bet   1   3   -1   2   121   1 : 1st Dozen
253   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   121   

+21u

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 18, 02:18 PM 2016
2 real money sessions in live online casino with above substitute idea...

won +11
won +10

Very nice - maybe Silverthorne should be sending me $99 instead!  LOL! :) :)

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 27, 04:50 AM 2016
Hello,

This purportedly "new" system from Silverthorne

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/SystemQBlackjack/

Turns out it is the same as these 2 previous releases - but in a different guise!

link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/SharkAttackBlackjack/

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/BulgarianTrap/

... and they said it was so good they would only release 500 copies of it!

There is an old saying:
"Corn is evergreen"

Don't be fooled.
Take care,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: NextYear on Jan 27, 05:10 AM 2016
Atlantis Patrol is always on guard!

Thanks A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 05, 03:57 PM 2016
Another system has just been released:

link:://:.gamblingformulaabs.com/

It is the SAME as this one here:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/GamblingsSecretFormula/

Don't be fooled!
Take care,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: The Force on Feb 13, 01:36 AM 2016
A method so powerful that......... (insert analogy here).

Some people make more money advertising ways to win at roulette then playing the actual  game itself.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 23, 03:47 AM 2016
Hello Again,

I seem to be suffering from Deja Vu a lot just lately! :) :)

LATEST NEWS
=========
Wow! A brand new roulette system from Silverthorne & Co:

link:://:.formula3roulette.com/

EXCEPT =  turns out it just happens to be the same as this old chestnut from 2014:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Mini-MaxRoulette/

Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 23, 02:18 PM 2016
You can probably find it for free if you search.
Just tried it for a laugh - and very first time I got 18L and 3W.
If I had played for real and used his progression would have been a resounding disaster right from the off!
:)

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 28, 04:52 AM 2016
TODAY'S LATEST SYSTEM FROM SILVERTHORNE:
==============================

The "VT Bettor"

link:://:.vtbettor.com/

Reduced from $399 to $99!

But wait - Hang on a bit - this looks familiar - a little bit of deja vu going on here!!!

Why, bless my soul, 'tis none other than the existing "Power V Formula" from 2011 given a new makeover:
link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/PowerVFormula/

Google it - download it?

Stay wary,

Cheers,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Turner on Feb 28, 05:04 AM 2016
A
Deja vu has been a great post

I'm an avid reader
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 16, 05:03 AM 2016
Hi,

Another day - and another *NEW* Blackjack system unveiled from Mr. Silverthorne and Associates!

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/BattleBlackjack/

This one purportedly based on military attack principles to overcome the game...

However, my spidey sixth sense is tingling and I uncover that this is yet a STILL FURTHER alias of the already available:

"The Bulgarian Trap"
A.K.A.
"Shark Attack Blackjack"
A.K.A.
"System Q Blackjack"

Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 23, 05:24 AM 2016
*NEW* Silverthorne and Gamblers Bookcase present:

"THE VF FORMULA"

For roulette, craps, baccarat.....

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/VFFormula/

It states there that:
"The VF Formula is a NEW way of playing the casino table games that overturns all of the old rules."

Except that it isn't new!!!

In fact, it is simply yet another reboot of a pre-existing system:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/StrikeForceGambling/

Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 09, 04:42 AM 2016
Good morning all,

I had to check that it wasn't April 1st this morning when I discovered yet ANOTHER latest system touted by them...

"$32 Is All You Need to Win! You'll Easily Win $2,850 Every Two Hours! Instant Free Download of "How to Play Roulette Like a Pro!"

:.SuperSevensRoulette.com

I watched the video that accompanies this one:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=TQwkXDL2wjw

and it certainly triggered off my deja vu again!   :)

Their vids always follow the same pattern.

Also, apparently there only 500 copies of this ever going to be released! Yeah. Right!

Now, (shock horror) this could be a new one because I cannot find it elsewhere in their repertoire under a different name; but it looks like its just basic "pair-betting" on inside numbers to me. (see video)

I'm betting it is just another variant of their recent quads, lines and street systems eg: superquadsroulette, rouletteformulacbw, streetsmartroulette.. etc. except this time being applied to "splits".

As always, take care and don't be fooled.

A. 
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 28, 02:55 AM 2016
Latest one is The CB Roulette System from Russell Hunter (Silverthorne & associates)

:.gamblersbookcase.com/CBSystem/

This is a combo bet system using only the EC's R/B and O/E

Don't be fooled  - it is simply a reboot/rebrand of the already available:

:.gamblersbookcase.com/DoubleActionRoulette/

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on May 15, 02:56 AM 2016
Good morning. People - get ready!

Hot off the presses and hot on the heels of previous wealth creating masterpieces (cough.. cough..) comes:
"SLAM BETTING"

Video here:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=SbGAOFyVnFY

This purports to be an old system originated by some old-time gambler; a guy by the name of "Zeke Steiner"...

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/SlamBetting/

Silverthorne tells us a little story of how he ran into the old fella one day after some time and Ol' Zeke tells him about how he used to clean up at the Casino's at Craps, Blackjack and Roulette in the "good ol' days" and how he used to teach kids who were down on their luck how to win using spotting and slamming.
Silverthorne then goes on about how they went on a gambling trip where he witnesses for himself the AWESOME POWER of Zeke's play.

After this he gets his testers together to test it out and:
"By the time my testers had finished, they had played 5,249 games and won well over one million dollars." WOW!
"Even though Zeke prefers to play roulette and baccarat, we have also tested this strategy at craps, blackjack and even Sic Bo." AMAZING!

Zeke thinks it worth and wants him to release it for $5000 - but Silverthorne (bless his soul) manages on 'our behalf' to broker a deal to release it for $499 -and then further reduces it for a select few to $99 - but only if they act quickly without delay!  (The usual come-on tactical sales hooks, so familiar that feature on ALL his sales pages)

"Special Limited Offer where you can get this Turnkey High Profit, Low-Risk System for 80% off the list price.  But don’t delay.  You must order by Sunday, May 15, 2016  to get the Special Price for this Very Special Strategy!"

Of course, most people can see through this technique - yes - you've guessed it - the date changes EVERY DAY - and that's why it's SO SO SILLY...

After reading through his quaint little yarn (fairy story - more like) I experience a sudden feeling of Deja Vu!

Well blow me down with a trannies boa feather! If it isn't an EXACT REPLICA repackage of The "Steiger" Strategy... YET AGAIN!!!
link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/SteigerStrategy/

Except this time Zeke Steiner = High Roller Lex Steiger (note name similarity)

HeeHee - In this "likely story" Silverthorne is on a break in London's West End

Quote
On our third night there we went to see Phantom of the Opera.  It was really good and I recommend it even if you are not a fan of theater.  After the performance Diane was ready for a break so I hailed a London taxi to take her back to the flat.

I headed for a bar patronized by â€" you guessed it â€" actors, producers, agents, stage managers and even a couple of well known stand up comics.  I was on my second lager and feeling a bit out of my element when another person joined our group.  Everyone at the table knew him and he introduced himself to me.

“I’m Lex Steiger.  And, you’re Martin Silverthorne, correct?  We have some things we need to discuss.”

I had heard of Lex Steiger before.  He used to gamble quite a bit in Las Vegas.  I hadn’t ever met him before, but I knew of him by reputation.  He was one of the highest winning players of all time.  And, he was very secretive.  He came and went on his own schedule and tended to play alone.  I told him I was delighted to finally meet him.

He nodded, ordered a drink and then turned back to me.  “Let’s move over to that quiet spot in the corner.  We need to talk.”

I grabbed my lager and walked with Steiger to another table.  I looked forward to a break from acting and theatre.

Steiger’s Deal. “I’ll Reveal My System, However . . .

:) :)

Martin may have a future as an author in the fantasy/fiction writing business.
He really wants us to believe these guys, Zeke and Lex are real persons and exist. But I ask you, how can two different people, poles apart both originate the SAME strategy?
Now I know you can change names for anonymity reasons but this really EXPOSES the whole shebang!
As I said - is simply the "Steiger Strategy" all dressed up in new clothes. Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 01, 04:22 AM 2016
Hi to all regular readers of this ongoing saga....
Well it's the start of a new month and wouldn't you know it -

NEW from 'Greg Fletcher' (Silverthorne &Co.) is
"Blackjack Channel Betting"

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/ChannelBetting/

Purports to beat every version of Blackjack dealt today. Make fortunes... blah..blah.... yada yada yada..
(This guy must be absolutely loaded with all these winning systems!)

“As a $50 bettor I have been winning $1,011 an hour.  Break out the Champaign!”
George J. â€" Saint Louis, Missouri"

:)

Now they obviously don't read this "deja vu" topic or they would at least try and make an effort and change the wording on their oh so L-O-N-G ads!
Regular readers will understand and know better of course because its pretty amazing and a little thoughtless that the testimonials and (ahem) "success stories" on this page they've chosen turn out to be EXACTLY THE SAME as those testimonials on this OTHER page -

From Russell Hunter, this time (must be absolutely loaded with all of his winning systems)

"Target Blackjack" from 2015

link:://:.targetblackjack.com/

“As a $50 bettor I have been winning $1,011 an hour.  Break out the Champaign!”
George J. â€" Saint Louis, Missouri"

But - not finished yet - my heightened sense of  'deja vu' also leads me to a still further page and, alarm bells should be ringing very loudly, now as they even have a BACCARAT system advertised under another name!!!

From George Stearn, this time (Silverthorne & Co. must be absolutely loaded with all his systems)
The "Five-Count Baccarat Strategy"

:.gamblersbookcase.com/Five-CountBaccarat/

Same testimonials from same people - but this is Baccarat! - a totally different table game !?

“As a $50 bettor I have been winning $1,011 an hour.  Break out the Champaign!”
George J. â€" Saint Louis, Missouri"

This leads me to believe that this rebrand is another incarnation of the same kind of mathematical/counting system being flogged by them for some years now.

Now they really should be told to use a spellcheck after they cut and paste...
HINT: It's: "champagne" not "champaign", Martin...

:lol:

Take care and don't be fooled,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: vladir on Jun 01, 06:11 AM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 01, 04:22 AM 2016
Hi to all regular readers of this ongoing saga....
Well it's the start of a new month and wouldn't you know it -

NEW from 'Greg Fletcher' (Silverthorne &Co.) is
"Blackjack Channel Betting"

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/ChannelBetting/

Purports to beat every version of Blackjack dealt today. Make fortunes... blah..blah.... yada yada yada..
(This guy must be absolutely loaded with all these winning systems!)

“As a $50 bettor I have been winning $1,011 an hour.  Break out the Champaign!”
George J. â€" Saint Louis, Missouri"

:)

Now they obviously don't read this "deja vu" topic or they would at least try and make an effort and change the wording on their oh so L-O-N-G ads!
Regular readers will understand and know better of course because its pretty amazing and a little thoughtless that the testimonials and (ahem) "success stories" on this page they've chosen turn out to be EXACTLY THE SAME as those testimonials on this OTHER page -

From Russell Hunter, this time (must be absolutely loaded with all of his winning systems)

"Target Blackjack" from 2015

link:://:.targetblackjack.com/

“As a $50 bettor I have been winning $1,011 an hour.  Break out the Champaign!”
George J. â€" Saint Louis, Missouri"

But - not finished yet - my heightened sense of  'deja vu' also leads me to a still further page and, alarm bells should be ringing very loudly, now as they even have a BACCARAT system advertised under another name!!!

From George Stearn, this time (Silverthorne & Co. must be absolutely loaded with all his systems)
The "Five-Count Baccarat Strategy"

:.gamblersbookcase.com/Five-CountBaccarat/

Same testimonials from same people - but this is Baccarat! - a totally different table game !?

“As a $50 bettor I have been winning $1,011 an hour.  Break out the Champaign!”
George J. â€" Saint Louis, Missouri"

This leads me to believe that this rebrand is another incarnation of the same kind of mathematical/counting system being flogged by them for some years now.

Now they really should be told to use a spellcheck after they cut and paste...
HINT: It's: "champagne" not "champaign", Martin...

:lol:

Take care and don't be fooled,

A.

Spelling errors gives them credibility. They must be drunk with all that Champaign anyway.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: PeaBea65 on Jun 01, 08:21 PM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 01, 04:22 AM 2016Now they obviously don't read this "deja vu" topic or they would at least try and make an effort and change the wording on their oh so L-O-N-G ads!

Maybe this forum is not as widely read as we thought.  Or they just don't give a shyte and there are enough idiots around to make a $ off them.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: BellagioOwner on Jun 03, 02:25 PM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 09, 04:42 AM 2016:.SuperSevensRoulette.com

I watched the video that accompanies this one:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=TQwkXDL2wjw

and it certainly triggered off my deja vu again!   

Their vids always follow the same pattern.

Also, apparently there only 500 copies of this ever going to be released! Yeah. Right!

Now, (shock horror) this could be a new one because I cannot find it elsewhere in their repertoire under a different name; but it looks like its just basic "pair-betting" on inside numbers to me. (see video)

I'm betting it is just another variant of their recent quads, lines and street systems eg: superquadsroulette, rouletteformulacbw, streetsmartroulette.. etc. except this time being applied to "splits".

As always, take care and don't be fooled.

so. i'm pretty sure this system sold on their site based on splits and seven split bets won't be any HG as they advertise. It would have been much more famous or discussed.

I still like though to read how people approach roulette and the odds/probabilities/MM etc. It's intresting and innovative some times. I tried to fill the free subscription form to download for free their ebook of the method but seems that they don't support the subscription service anymore and i couldn't downlaod it. Since they were having it on their site for free does anyone has by any chance the e-book about the splits bet system of their site or knows where can we find it? I would like to see it.

Maybe you have it @atlantis? since you post a lot on these systems and reviews on them.

thanks for any reply. have fun around! :)
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 03, 03:46 PM 2016
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Jun 03, 02:25 PM 2016
so. i'm pretty sure this system sold on their site based on splits and seven split bets won't be any HG as they advertise. It would have been much more famous or discussed.

I still like though to read how people approach roulette and the odds/probabilities/MM etc. It's intresting and innovative some times. I tried to fill the free subscription form to download for free their ebook of the method but seems that they don't support the subscription service anymore and i couldn't downlaod it. Since they were having it on their site for free does anyone has by any chance the e-book about the splits bet system of their site or knows where can we find it? I would like to see it.

Maybe you have it @atlantis? since you post a lot on these systems and reviews on them.

thanks for any reply. have fun around! :)

Hi BellagioOwner,
I do not have it  - but am sure you're right about it.
The 'free book' does not reveal the method anyhow - and is just more advert for their systems most likely than not.
I'm also interested if anyone has it...

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: BellagioOwner on Jun 03, 04:09 PM 2016
i've seen somewhat success in the past with some fun systems based on splits. So i would liek to give it a fast read just for fun. tempting. anyway. not any HG but still fun to play  O0
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: BellagioOwner on Jun 03, 04:40 PM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 03, 03:46 PM 2016I do not have it  - but am sure you're right about it.
The 'free book' does not reveal the method anyhow - and is just more advert for their systems most likely than not.

So. You mean you don't have the whole method but at least you have the free ebook? You know the concept of at least the free e-book but it is still not the whole method? You posted about their site on april so you may have been in time to subscribe on the ebook? because it's not there anymore.

If you have the e-book but still is not the full method i would love to see at least this. It must be something better than the NOTHING that they post on the site. if you don;t have it, nevermind. :)
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 04, 04:59 AM 2016
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Jun 03, 04:40 PM 2016
So. You mean you don't have the whole method but at least you have the free ebook? You know the concept of at least the free e-book but it is still not the whole method? You posted about their site on april so you may have been in time to subscribe on the ebook? because it's not there anymore.

If you have the e-book but still is not the full method i would love to see at least this. It must be something better than the NOTHING that they post on the site. if you don;t have it, nevermind. :)

Hi BellagioOwner,
No- I don't have the full method or the free book. Like yourself I couldn't subscribe to get the free book either on their page...
The other free book "Online Gold" can be got from here:
link:s://:.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiZs6Pp_Y3NAhWoCMAKHXzgDZkQFghFMAA&url=link:%3A%2F%2F:.gamblersbookcase.com%2FJaggerFormula%2FdnFreJFrf8222rV9%2FOnlineGold-BeatOnlineCasinos.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHuVg1vNacYPqGzS5InXRV2ESH8AA&bvm=bv.123664746,d.ZGg

but it is nothing to do with the Super Sevens Roulette so I doubt will be of any use to you.

I watched the vid of Super Sevens Roulette and it seems you start off betting the last hit split and add the next hit split and so until you have abt. 7 or 9 splits in play linked with a progression.
If so, that can actually do quite well - until a dreaded bust-out occurs, of course... :)

Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 04, 05:10 AM 2016
Now we have - "The Power V Formula" for craps, baccarat and roulette!
"The Power V Formula Is So Powerful That Players Gain a 28 to 1 Edge Over The Casinos!"

:.GamblersBookcase.com/PowerVFormula

A new video of it posted here just today:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5S4m4-fvC7A

The page headline states:

"Professional Level Gambling System Just Released!"

That is not true and is simply a load of HOGWASH

It is hardly even new or just released as they spout. It is in fact the same as this one:

link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/PowerVFormula/
An oldie from 2011 - that's FIVE YEARS AGO! Hardly hot off the presses!

Anyway...

Google: 'the power v formula' and I found the pdf book quite easily readable from the top of the search replies!

Also I found this link further down in the search results:
:.silverthornepublications.net/PowerVFormula/dnPVF2241Rf5b8.htm
where you can even access the bonuses too!

Take care and don't be fooled.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: mogul397 on Jun 04, 07:42 AM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 10, 04:56 AM 2015
Hi,

Our old friend Martin Silverthorne and his partners are at it again!

sharpshooterroulette.com

Don't be fooled - Simply a reboot of "SuperQuadsRoulette" now advertised under a different name

montecarlomultiplier.com

Huge advert for this! Took ages to scroll through all the guff.

There's a VERY SUSPECT (like all of theirs) video demo of it here:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=YKvm4nWXigU (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=YKvm4nWXigU)

Apparently this works on roulette, craps, baccarat and sic bo!

And get this-
"Using a System Based on the Same Principles Used to Develop the First Atomic Bomb!"

"The Power Behind this Extraordinary System Comes From a Process So Powerful It Was Used to Develop the First Atomic Bomb!
In the mid 1940s a secret project was under way at Los Alamos National Laboratory.  Hidden in the mountaintop town of Los Alamos, New Mexico, it was so secret that even Harry Truman had never heard of it when he became president...."

AND SO IT GOES ON........ AND ON......  :smile:  :smile:

Couldn't help smiling a little whilst drinking my morning coffee as I read through all this  :twisted:

Works by betting BOTH sides of an EC... although why on earth he has not used DIFFERENTIAL betting God only knows!?

Take care,
A.

I just bought (and returned for a refund) Silverthornes "Slam betting".
The method was not bad and as good as any I've seen. It actually
had a bit of thought in it.  The reason I "returned" it was because I
learned and worked it, and hit a loss on like the 2nd or 3rd round.
2nd I think.

I know I'm famous as the "thread breaker" of seeing and doing that kind of
thing (just look at how many threads my name is on the last post).

But after all is said and done, there really is a "feel". A sense of if a method
has some mojo, or just "cut and ran".
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 04, 07:56 AM 2016
Quote from: mogul397 on Jun 04, 07:42 AM 2016
I just bought (and returned for a refund) Silverthornes "Slam betting".
The method was not bad and as good as any I've seen. It actually
had a bit of thought in it.  The reason I "returned" it was because I
learned and worked it, and hit a loss on like the 2nd or 3rd round.
2nd I think.

I know I'm famous as the "thread breaker" of seeing and doing that kind of
thing (just look at how many threads my name is on the last post).

But after all is said and done, there really is a "feel". A sense of if a method
has some mojo, or just "cut and ran".

Hi mogul397,

Slam Betting is just the "Steiger Strategy"... I wrote about that one earlier.
(Been around for ages that one!)
Hope you get your refund Ok - but I believe you could have downloaded the 'steiger strategy' method off of google in any case and saved yourself the hassle.
BTW, I'm not in any way surprised it did not work out for you.
Best of luck.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: mogul397 on Jun 04, 11:36 AM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 04, 07:56 AM 2016
Hi mogul397,

Slam Betting is just the "Steiger Strategy"... I wrote about that one earlier.
(Been around for ages that one!)
Hope you get your refund Ok - but I believe you could have downloaded the 'steiger strategy' method off of google in any case and saved yourself the hassle.
BTW, I'm not in any way surprised it did not work out for you.
Best of luck.

A.

I sent the order number and am getting the refund.  If you missed it, I went
through a period in my life where I used to order systems and return them
for a refund so quick they crossed in the mail. And was finally told to not
order any more.

They said the refund was authorized.

I have seen (and have in a folder) may of silverthorns methods. Sometimes I can
find them. OR not.  This one looked interesting and I even emailed something about
it not just being another parlay thing. But no good response.  General reply.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 04, 02:00 PM 2016
Quote from: mogul397 on Jun 04, 11:36 AM 2016
I sent the order number and am getting the refund.  If you missed it, I went
through a period in my life where I used to order systems and return them
for a refund so quick they crossed in the mail. And was finally told to not
order any more.

They said the refund was authorized.


Yes - I remember you said that now....
Still - despite what they said in their reply about a refund being authorised.... I also claimed a refund in exact same way for one of their systems and got that "authorised" email. I waited - Nothing happened which was kinda what I expected... Had to open a dispute with PayPal before I got a full ChargeBack.
Hope you do get refunded - but just be aware you may have to take it to next level to get your money back!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 22, 04:41 AM 2016
Silverthorne and Gambler's Bookcase have announced:

This is the First Release of Six-Bet Betting â€" the System of Millionaires!

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/SixBetBetting/

Here are some testimonials written about it:

Quote
Players Using This System Are Winning Millions of Dollars!

Players using Six-Bet Betting are making large sums of money very quickly.


Mike S. from San Mateo, California, wrote â€"

“The first time I ever played baccarat was helping you test your system.  From now on I will exclusively play baccarat.

“I am currently playing mini-baccarat in three different online casinos.  My routine is to play two days in each casino then make a withdrawal.  This way I receive a check every two days for my winnings.

“Just checked my records.  I am now up $93,600.  Hurray!”


Gary B., who lives in Sioux City, Iowa, is retired and needed a little more than another hobby â€"

“I am retired and I was looking for something interesting and profitable.  I’ve got it with the Six-Betting System!

“I play in a local casino two days a week and clear from $3,200 to $3750 a day.  This is one great system.  Thanks.”


Nath R. resides in Arlington Heights, Illinois.  Like many other players, he has been successful using the Six-Bet Betting System to play a different game â€"

“You have done a great job with the Six-Bet Betting System.  I have been using it to play roulette.  It works very well at this game too.

“I am now using $25 bets online and winning $1,084 an hour.  Ten hours a week puts me in the ten grand a week club!

“Many thanks for an outstanding system!”


Lee L. is a small bettor.  However, that has not kept him from moving up to the big time using the Six-Bet Betting System â€"

“I am a small bettor.  However, I am making a lot of money with the Six-Bet Betting System.  I am now playing with a total bankroll of just $1,400 and I am winning $1,494 an hour.

“This is the best low-money, high-win system ever!”


Silverthorne credits the system as being originated by "Andrew Devereau" and describes in detail how it was devised...

BUT WAIT A MINUTE!!

The term déjà vu is French and means, literally, "already seen." Those who have experienced the feeling describe it as an overwhelming sense of familiarity with something that shouldn't be familiar at all.
Say, for example, you are travelling to England for the first time. You are touring a cathedral, and suddenly it seems as if you have been in that very spot before. Or maybe you are having dinner with a group of friends, discussing some current political topic, and you have the feeling that you've already experienced this very thing -- same friends, same dinner, same topic.

Well now, the very same thing happened to me as I read through all of this and I had a sudden flashback to 2015:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/StrikerBetting/

Quote
Players Using This System Are Winning Millions of Dollars!

Players using Striker Betting are making large sums of money very quickly.

Mike S. from San Mateo, California, wrote â€"

“The first time I ever played baccarat was helping you test your system.  From now on I will exclusively play baccarat.

“I am currently playing mini-baccarat in three different online casinos.  My routine is to play two days in each casino then make a withdrawal.  This way I receive a check every two days for my winnings.

“Just checked my records.  I am now up $93,600.  Hurray!”


Gary B., who lives in Sioux City, Iowa, is retired and needed a little more than another hobby â€"

“I am retired and I was looking for something interesting and profitable.  I’ve got it with the Striker Betting System!

“I play in a local casino two days a week and clear from $3,200 to $3750 a day.  This is one great system.  Thanks.”


Nath R. resides in Arlington Heights, Illinois.  Like many other players, he has been successful using the Striker Betting System to play a different game â€"

“You have done a great job with the Striker Baccarat System.  I have been using it to play roulette.  It works very well at this game too.

“I am now using $25 bets online and winning $1,084 an hour.  Ten hours a week puts me in the ten grand a week club!

“Many thanks for an outstanding system!”

Lee L. is a small bettor.  However, that has not kept him from moving up to the big time using the Striker Betting System â€"

“I am a small bettor.  However, I am making a lot of money with the Striker Betting System.  I am now playing with a total bankroll of just $1,400 and I am winning $1,494 an hour.

“This is the best low-money, high-win system ever!”


Silverthorne credits the system as being originated by a "George Stearn" a year or two ago!!!

Well, just perhaps (perhaps, mind...) he changed his name by deed poll to Andrew Devereau then?!

But after all that I will leave it to readers to decide whether these inventors or indeed the reviewers are real people or not.
I know what I think. :)

Take care and don't get fooled by them,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: dimsun on Jun 22, 09:28 PM 2016
This I found accidently by google, so I download:

The Guderian Progression
© 2014 Russell Hunter All Rights Reserved
All rights reserved. Except for brief passages used in legitimate reviews, no parts of
this book may be reproduced or utilized in any form or by any means, electronic or
mechanical, without the written permission of the publisher.
Address all inquiries to the publisher:
Russell Hunter Publishing, Inc.
5901-J Wyoming NE, Suite 305
United States of America

When download Silverthorne show in link.  Silly people. :xd:
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 29, 04:56 AM 2016
Silverthorne has unveiled another strategy:

THE STARK STRATEGY

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=vIGrBDVvvbU

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/StarkStrategy/

Do not be fooled!! This is just a reboot of:

THE POWER GAMBLING STRATEGY from 2011:

link:://:.silverthornepublications.net/PowerGamblingStrategy/

Just compare the two sites and you will easily see it is the same system!

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 14, 08:59 AM 2016
NEW for roulette is "The Wells Formula"

According to Silverthorne:

Charles Wells Broke the Bank in Monte Carlo an Astonishing 12 Times in 1891! Yet His System Remained a Secret Until Now!
Amazingly, the Wells Formula Is Just as Powerful Now as It Was 125 Years Ago!

Wells Formula video:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=znSSDpXMhX0

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/WellsFormula/

But wait...!  I'm getting that "deja vu" moment yet again.
This all turns out to be a REPEAT of their 2015 system "Dominator Roulette"

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/DominatorRoulette/

According to Silverthorne:

It uses an amazingly accurate bet placement formula developed by Andrew Devereau, one of the top roulette players in the world!

It’s method of bet sizing â€" determining the size of each wager â€" was developed by Greg Fletcher and is patterned after his highly successful stock trading model. (I've heard that one before, too!)

What is truly surprising (or maybe not) is that there is not even a MENTION of Mr Charles Wells - the geezer that broke the bank at Monte Carlo - in this one!!!  Yet is EXACTLY THE SAME system. Very curious, suspicious and remiss of them to promote a system claimed by different authors, don't you think?

I already KNOW what I think!  :)

Take care and don't be fooled by this one. (I see it is possible to download the earlier Dominator Roulette book free after a web search...)

A.   
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 20, 07:58 AM 2016
Apparently never released before and brand new from Silverthorne right now is:

link:://:.jackpotroulettesystem.com/

and it comes also with this statement/slogan at the top of the page:

"$100 Wins $15,713 Every Three Hours!"

Haha - of course all very believable - well it must be true if he says so! (mustn't it?)

"A pair of nerdy high school students, working with a rogue math professor, have developed Jackpot Roulette â€" the only system to deliver Jackpot-like winnings making small bets!"

Silverthorne tells us a story with pages and pages of background info on how these clever young students with their gifted teacher work together and discover this amazing moneyspinner.

EXCEPT - WAIT!!!!

I have a strange "deja vu" feeling I have seen this before...

Oh YES! From 2015 we have:

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/Triple-WinRoulette/

It is exactly the same system!
No mention here AT ALL of the high school nerds and the wiz professor this time - not even a sentence about them - yet it is the same alright.

If you want to be bothered to read then you can type in google search box:

triple win roulette pdf

Have a nice day
Take care and don't be fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Steve on Aug 20, 08:31 AM 2016
You know youre helping them scam people by posting links everywhere...
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 20, 02:00 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 20, 08:31 AM 2016
You know youre helping them scam people by posting links everywhere...

Hi Steve,
Well of course you know that was not my intention - far from it! That is the last thing I want to happen.
But thanks for your comment and quite possibly you are correct on that point - so in future postings (that is, if members still wish me to continue to update this topic regularly and keep them in the loop about their activities and machinations) I will take up your thought and from now on omit any links to their sites if it is the case that it could help prevent their scams from succeeding by ensnaring the unwary.  If it accomplishes that even in a small way, then at least it is a positive step in the right direction.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: caspian on Aug 22, 12:57 PM 2016
Personally I am a fan of Silverthorn systems  :xd:

I enjoy reading the marketing hype for them but take it with a large pinch of salt of course!

I have found quite a few of their methods profitable for short term play and they are well written and well presented for the most part.

As has been pointed out already nobody needs to pay for them as a Google search will reveal all.

Finally I must thank member Atlantis for this entertaining thread.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Steve on Nov 13, 04:53 AM 2016
Atlantis, stop posting links to scams. Again you ate helping them.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 13, 09:25 AM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Nov 13, 04:53 AM 2016
Atlantis, stop posting links to scams. Again you ate helping them.

Hi Steve,
Message received and understood. I remember now that I agreed I would not be posting the links to his pages any more - so apologies on that count...

Anyway, just letting members know that the new "Fischer Roulette Strategy" just released by gamblers bookcase is just a repackage of their 2014 method "The Super Fibonacci System" which can be downloaded free if you care to search for it...

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: tuddilue on Nov 14, 01:32 AM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on Nov 13, 09:25 AM 2016
Hi Steve,
Message received and understood. I remember now that I agreed I would not be posting the links to his pages any more - so apologies on that count...

Anyway, just letting members know that the new "Fischer Roulette Strategy" just released by gamblers bookcase is just a repackage of their 2014 method "The Super Fibonacci System" which can be downloaded free if you care to search for it...

A.
Yes Silverthorne is really good with words. It's always sounds that he has the holy grail but as always he just want to scam people.

But I enjoy reading your posts and its interesting that he reuses his old systems.

One aspect of you adding these posts is that new people in roulette sees them and will think twice before buying them or look elsewhere for the strategies. They usually are in other places...

I agree that you should not add the links to there pages but continue writing about them. That I think is a good thing!

- Tuddilue
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 16, 07:27 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,

Yes it's interesting how they promote the same products under different names with different origins and backstory.

Why, even today they released a video of a new one: Roulette 618 strategy!

I checked and it is a repeat of their pre-existing: RouletteFormulaCBW (lines system)

Don't get fooled!

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 22, 02:10 PM 2016
Hi Guys,

Gamblers bookcase have a new video and page up for their latest unstoppable roulette system:

"The RTM Strategy" (reversion to mean)

When I read the ad I again experienced that strange but now familiar sensation of deja-vu!

This is none other than their "Monte Carlo Multiplier" strategy from 2015!!!!!

The one where they bet on BOTH outcomes of a spin eg RED and BLACK together!

I think I already covered that one earlier - but why on earth they don't use the more safer and sensible practice of "difference" betting is anybody's guess. *!?

Also, I think they are gearing up early to grab extra Christmas sales this year :)

Don't get fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Bettingking on Nov 22, 04:52 PM 2016
Yes I got fooled in my early days by the sale pitch.
Yes...any system will work 'short term' I could create a system and say it is floor less and work amazing one day but then go to crap the next.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 01, 11:33 AM 2016
New from Silverthorne, Hunter, Fletcher & Co. is:

"Grand Slam Roulette!"

Site ad says:
"Grand Slam Roulette combines complementary betting guided by the rhythms of roulette to beat every version of roulette offered today!"

I say:
"Do you also believe in Santa, Martin?"

Just to report that this one is yet another rebrand of their existing systems:

The CB Roulette System

and

Double Action Roulette!

This the one where you bet 2 EC's: R/B and H/L with an up/down progression with an occasional bet on only one EC.

Dont be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Bettingking on Dec 01, 04:23 PM 2016
Deceptive practices......that is why the internet can run riff with no control over what anyone can do!!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 07, 01:38 PM 2016
Off they go again with:

"Baccarat Strike Strategy"

Purports to be a new system.... but a little search shows it to be none other than the already available:

"Target Baccarat!"

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 15, 04:41 AM 2016
Their latest is:

Fast Track Blackjack

This is the same as:

Tracker Blackjack!

already released in 2015.

Take care and don't get fooled by them.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 21, 04:26 AM 2016
They found time to squeeze out another new one just before Xmas! :)

It's called : Fletcher Formula Roulette!

However - nothing to be excited about. It is simply that old chestnut:

Fletcher's Power Pro Roulette (2015)   Google it - get it free

Take care and don't get fooled. :)

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 28, 04:39 AM 2016
They sent me a mail advertising yet another one - just in time for New Year... :)

"Power M Betting!"

This turns out to be the already existing "Power V Formula" from 2011 in another guise.

Don't get fooled.
Take care,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: trobby on Dec 28, 01:07 PM 2016
glad to have found this forum!  I had a feeling that Silverthorne was "remixing" older systems!  I'm on his email list and every week he appears to bring out this "new" system that is supposed to be a CASH COW!  Like someone said, you can find 90% of the systems he has on Google.  I've downloaded about 25 of them.  Most are worthless.  Some have grammatical errors and stats that are close to impossible!  Some has some merit for short term play.  PLEASE keep this going so people aren't wasting their money!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 01, 04:50 AM 2017
Happy New Year to All!

Hi trobby,

Well I think it probably a good idea to keep an eye on what they are up to next, I agree.

Here we are into 2017 and straight away they have another "new" one on offer:

ROULETTE ZONE BETTING

Gamblers Bookcase made a youtube vid for it as well...

Don't be fooled - it is simply their earlier:

SUPER SEVENS ROULETTE  (split bets + progression)

Take care,
A.

Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: willtherock on Jan 02, 05:07 PM 2017
Thanks so much for this work, Atlantis! I have found several of these systems online in PDF form and was super intrigued by how vague he was with Zone betting...almost to the point of no return. I appreciate you doing this leg work, more than you know.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 06, 04:50 AM 2017
Today they released "KnockOut Blackjack!" on another new web page; but turns out is the same title and system that was released way back in 2013 on an earlier different URL...

Don't be fooled - is nothing new.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 13, 08:25 AM 2017
Today I got to hear that Gamblers Bookcase have just released:

"Magnum Force Gambling"

Beat the Games of Roulette, Blackjack and Craps Using Magnum Force Betting!
"Get Started Instantly!  All It Takes is a $50 Bankroll!"

Upon investigation this is precisely the same as their:

"Power Gambling Strategy" (2011)

and

"The Stark Strategy"  (2016)


Take care,

Don't be fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Priyanka on Jan 13, 08:38 AM 2017
Thanks atlantis. You have been tracking and doing this for months now and that is really commendable.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 18, 11:29 AM 2017
Gamblers Bookcase uploaded a new video to their youtube channel and have a new site advertising:

"Roulette Cycle T Betting"

I am sure you will not be surpised in any way when I tell you that it is not new at all.

In fact it is none other than that old chestnut: "Fletchers Power Pro Roulette" yet again!!

Google that and you can probably get for free. :)

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: willtherock on Jan 24, 08:31 AM 2017
Hey, Atlantis! Dominator roulette? Seen that one yet?
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 25, 03:43 AM 2017
Quote from: willtherock on Jan 24, 08:31 AM 2017
Hey, Atlantis! Dominator roulette? Seen that one yet?

Hi willtherock,

Yes. I have seen that one too. Seems to have been around since at least 2014.

Today they released: "No Limit Blackjack" purportedly authored by a 'Tony Branch'....

Turns out it is just an exact repeat of "LaMarca's Blackjack Strategy" purportedly authored by a 'Frank LaMarca' in 2010 - so beware - is nothing new.

In fact if you google that you can probably get to read it on PDF.  :)  :)

Take care and don't be fooled,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: willtherock on Feb 20, 09:02 AM 2017
Hello Again! Double Cross Roulette! Heard of it?
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 21, 03:38 AM 2017
Quote from: willtherock on Feb 20, 09:02 AM 2017
Hello Again! Double Cross Roulette! Heard of it?

Hi willtherock,

I will take a look into this one....

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 09, 01:35 PM 2017
Hi to regular readers of this topic.

Gambler's Bookcase and Silverthorne & Co. have just released... wait for the fanfare announcement...

TA-RA!

"The Heisenberg Progression System" !

It's a street system.

Quote
In 1927 the German Physicist Werner Heisenberg invented Quantum Mechanics and Changed the Way We View the World Forever!


Now His Principle of Uncertainty Has Been Applied to Roulette and Changed the Way We Play Roulette Forever!


The Heisenberg Progression is a system that is so powerful that even $2 bettors win an incredible $2262 an hour playing online!

What’s More, this Strategy not only pulls in wins at a blistering fast rate but it has a Documented Long-Term Win Rate of 98.22%!

Proven to Beat Every Version of Roulette Offered, It Wraps Up Winning Sessions So Quickly That $2 Bets Win $113 Every Three Minutes!


And so it goes on and on and on..... on the very long sales page.

Now they even made a video of it for their channel as well.

I watched this and I immediately was rooted to my chair as I did a double-take.

"Hang On! I've seen this before somewhere!!!" My brain was yelling at me

Yes, my dear readers, I was experiencing that odd, strange sensation which has been given the epithet: DEJA VU.

Yes I know - AGAIN.  :)

Then SUDDENLY my JAW DROPPED in complete amazement, astonishment and disbelief!!!

Why this is none other than the ol' GUDERIAN PROGRESSION in another guise!

Exactly the same in fact.

From being dumbstruck with this realisation I then began to crack up and laughed out loud in a maniacal fit of sustained nervous and crazed laughter:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! (that's me laughing there)

Search google for "guderian progression" - you may be able to read it!

I thank you.

Until next time, take care and don't be fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: bleep24 on Mar 09, 02:01 PM 2017
If my memory serves me right Silverthorne are scammers.

Bleep
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: bigmoney on Mar 09, 02:55 PM 2017
Correct  silverstone  are scammers ...lotsa people would like to have a one on one chat with him
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: willtherock on Mar 22, 01:12 AM 2017
FWIW thanks to this forum I found the guridiean PDF on google, logged into a live dealer casino, and turned $150 into $1,100 this weekend. Thanks so much Atlantis.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Steve on Mar 22, 02:10 AM 2017
Hmm new member giving credit to a scan in the first post? Seems suspicious.

What's the pdf download link??
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Mar 22, 04:59 PM 2017
The Guderian system is another typical Martin Silverthorne / Russell Hunter system.

It is a three streets-based system that uses a uses a long step ladder-type negative progression (as do most of their other "revolutionary" systems).

For each bet, you have to bet on three streets.

Here are some numbers to ponder upon:

On the 10th step  (the penultimate step) of the progression, you will be betting 32 units on EACH of the three streets which means a total of 96 units on that particular step alone.

On the 11th step (the final step), the corresponding numbers are 45 units on each of the three streets resulting in a cumulative outlay of 135 units for that final step alone.

Just might be a regular cup of tea for some of you negative progression addicts, huh?  :question: :twisted:
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Steve on Mar 22, 05:30 PM 2017
I've seen many of his systems and none of them would work. Anyway i didn't expect the pdf to be posted. Im guessing willtherock is the system seller. I'll leave his post there.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 23, 02:20 PM 2017
willtherock wrote:
Quote
Hello Again! Double Cross Roulette! Heard of it?

Double Cross Roulette?

Yes I have now read about it, willtherock. I found the "automatic bet tracker" for this, their VERY LATEST system, was in fact readable online from a link found while searching on google... heheheee :)

It explains the system in a nutshell in a few pages.

Essentially you are betting on up to 2 streets and one column with a progression. There are 8 levels of betting.
The col one looks a bit **dangerous** with a 1 2 4 8 20 40 72 120 !*??

How long have you seen a column sleep for???  I don't think I'll even bother to try this one :)

While searching also found a link to their "Double Action Roulette" which appears to be a 2 EC bet using their by now familiar even money max advantage/neural strategy type progression which they have used in a few of their previous strategies in years gone by - except they apply it to 2 EC's instead of one. Dunno if it works or not, willtherock - but doubtful it can prevail in the long run.

IMHO you would have more fun and less risk if you just bet BO or RE (both cover 28 spots) every spin with a +1 progression on any losing bet. Reset when level or ahead! (You'd be surprised just how effective this can be, by the way, even with small stakes)

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 23, 03:21 PM 2017
I wrote:
Quote
IMHO you would have more fun and less risk if you just bet BO or RE (both cover 28 spots) every spin with a +1 progression on any losing bet. Reset when level or ahead! (You'd be surprised just how effective this can be, by the way, even with small stakes)

Just for fun - example attached.   :lol:  :lol:

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 24, 07:04 AM 2017
Quote from: willtherock on Jan 24, 08:31 AM 2017
Hey, Atlantis! Dominator roulette? Seen that one yet?

Hi willtherock,

I refer you to my reply #50.

This can also be found to read online as well :)

A.

Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: willtherock on Mar 24, 11:10 PM 2017
Hey, Steve!! Honored you'd respond to me! Definitely not the system seller. Been asking Atlantis to dig up some of the other deja vu threads for me (which he has been gracious enough to do...thank you, A!!!). Thanks for leaving my post up too. I'm a roulette lover looking for that next holy grail just like the rest of us and was merely offering the opinion that based on the fact Silverthorne/Hunter/et al is usually a bunch of junk, I've had an exceptional run of luck with this one (and can post an excel file I created if need be) using live wheel as opposed to RNG.

I still plan on reading the other manuals posted by A throughout the evening.

Also, dunno if it's against the rules (was trying to follow Atlantis' lead):

link:://:.gamblersbookcase.com/GuderianProgression/dnGP314rfTb09L7143rf9v0Sc/GuderianProgression-Book.pdf

Didn't mean to cause suspicion and thanks again for reaching out.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 28, 07:06 AM 2017
Today, I received an email advertising:

"Blackjack's Secret Formula"

This is also known as:

"BattleBlackjack"
A.K.A.
"The Bulgarian Trap"
A.K.A.
"Shark Attack Blackjack"
A.K.A.
"System Q Blackjack"

Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 28, 03:40 PM 2017
Latest from them is

"Hammerlock Craps"

Quote: "I am not going to charge you $10,000 for this system although it is clearly worth it!"

However, it appears to be their "Hunter System for Craps" with a new name! :)

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 29, 11:38 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 28, 03:40 PM 2017
Latest from them is

"Hammerlock Craps"

Quote: "I am not going to charge you $10,000 for this system although it is clearly worth it!"

However, it appears to be their "Hunter System for Craps" with a new name! :)

A.

Correction!
It is NOT a repeat of the "Hunter Craps". Is in fact:

Silverthorne's "The Iron Cross: The Voskov Craps System" (from 2011)

Realised my mistake when watching the gambler's bookcase channel videoclip of this method.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 06, 03:29 AM 2017
Latest from Gambler's Bookcase to resurface under a new name is "Strategic Baccarat"

"The 100% Reliable Way to Win $1,545 an Hour!"

This is not something new and has previously been published as:

"Ultimate Baccarat" in earlier years.

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: willtherock on Apr 06, 08:52 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 29, 11:38 AM 2017
Correction!
It is NOT a repeat of the "Hunter Craps". Is in fact:

Silverthorne's "The Iron Cross: The Voskov Craps System" (from 2011)

Realised my mistake when watching the gambler's bookcase channel videoclip of this method.

A.

Hey A. Haven't been able to find a PDF of this. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 18, 03:44 AM 2017
Today, I received a link to a gamblers bookcase youtube channel  video advertising a NEW method:

"Fast Strike Roulette"


After I checked their sales page I quickly twigged that it was just a repackage of another of their page sites for:


"Checkmate Roulette" (which seems you can get freely  if you do a search for it)

:)

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.


Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on May 04, 03:57 AM 2017
Hello,

This morning from Gambler's Bookcase I received info on "The Rhythm Bettor" in which Martin Silverthorne tells a quaint little story about his "friend" (imaginary friend??) a certain character named Vic Russo, an aged long-time successful gambler at craps who reveals to him his system for winning roulette, craps and baccarat - as long as Martin swears to keep it a secret!

(Well, that didn't last for long did it?)   :)

I looked at the testimonials and watched the video on their channel and realised this is (surprise, surprise) NOT actually NEW at all!!!

I checked their website for  "Quick Strike Craps" and it is EXACTLY THE SAME blurb, claims, testimonials etc... except here there is not a dicky bird about the inventor Vic Russo - No,  in this one it is all attributed to a different originator; George Stearn....

A certain amount of dishonesty going on here!

Anyway, if you can find and read the Quick Strike Craps pdf you will have the gotten "The Rhythm Bettor" method for yourselves and see if will work or not and make $3000 an hour as claimed! - if you can at all be bothered, that is :)

Be careful and take care.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: sugtips on May 04, 06:07 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on May 04, 03:57 AM 2017
Hello,

This morning from Gambler's Bookcase I received info on "The Rhythm Bettor" in which Martin Silverthorne tells a quaint little story about his "friend" (imaginary friend??) a certain character named Vic Russo, an aged long-time successful gambler at craps who reveals to him his system for winning roulette, craps and baccarat - as long as Martin swears to keep it a secret!

(Well, that didn't last for long did it?)   :)

I looked at the testimonials and watched the video on their channel and realised this is (surprise, surprise) NOT actually NEW at all!!!

I checked their website for  "Quick Strike Craps" and it is EXACTLY THE SAME blurb, claims, testimonials etc... except here there is not a dicky bird about the inventor Vic Russo - No,  in this one it is all attributed to a different originator; George Stearn....

A certain amount of dishonesty going on here!

Anyway, if you can find and read the Quick Strike Craps pdf you will have the gotten "The Rhythm Bettor" method for yourselves and see if will work or not and make $3000 an hour as claimed! - if you can at all be bothered, that is :)

Be careful and take care.

A.

Thank you boss for this information.

Here's this Quick Strike Craps book attached. its 173 pages, I don't have time to read it. but if anyone wants to read, its here.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on May 19, 04:43 AM 2017
Hi Guys,

Your money troubles are over!

$35 Is All The Bankroll You Need to win $1,119 an Hour With "Thor's Hammer!"

THOR'S HAMMER! - the latest NEW one from gambler's bookcase and silverthorne!

Not only that but works on Roulette, Craps, Baccarat, Mini-Baccarat, Sic Bo and even Blackjack as well!

W-O-W!

However, the truth is that it is simply not NEW at all - a tad disingenuous of them even to claim that - But regular readers won't be too surprised at that.

It is, in fact,  the EXACT SAME as their 2011 release: "The Six-Bet Betting System" (You can get to read the method if you google it!)

:)

Take care and don't be fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: sugtips on May 19, 05:48 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on May 19, 04:43 AM 2017The Six-Bet Betting System

Thanks God.
Good Morning All.

Thank you Atlantis.

Here's attached the Six-Bet Betting System if anyone want to tweak it.

Love and Light.
SugTips
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on May 25, 04:22 AM 2017
They've just released: SIZZLING SEVENS ROULETTE

I found out it's not new - It's the same as: SUPER SEVENS ROULETTE released some time ago!!

A pair/split bet system. Already covered that one earlier, I think...

Take care and don't be fooled.

A.

Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: willtherock on May 28, 10:10 AM 2017
Thanks, A! I love this exercise.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 08, 04:38 AM 2017
Today the Gamblers Bookcase crew are advertising their LATEST and NEW (and I use the word loosely) get rich quick roulette system:

"CROSS BET ROULETTE" @ $99.97 (why not just make it easier for yourself and price it at a round $100, Martin?)

Russell Hunter (that ol'  Silverthorne stalwart) spins a yarn about the incredible story of how an economist, looking for a way to forecast coal supply and manufacturing output, and a half crazy mathematician came up with a system that is taking the world of roulette by storm!

I say - Don't be a silly-billy, Russell!

I watched the video and could not believe what I saw!

Why, it seems its just betting on the DOZ and COL of the latest number with progression!

WOW -  well who would have thought  - I mean, seriously, just how frickin' original is that idea, I ask you?!

You would have to be really pretty dumb to get hooked into buying this after watching their vidclip of it on the Youtube Gambler's Bookcase channel.

Such a dodgy video( as per usual because they do NOT take chances with real play):
Not even a real or online casino.
Not even a real roulette table. (just a printed felt table overlay)
Cannot see roulette wheel spinning.
Cannot see player or dealer at all.
Cannot see wheel result.
And all the time there was a misplaced lone chip on the 19-36 spot which they had accidentally left there and forgot about during the example 3 spins. (As if 3 spins were enough to prove ANYTHING!!!!)

Excuse me while I clear my throat: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAAHAH! (That's me laughing insanely there)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 19, 05:30 AM 2017
Hi,

CROSS BET CRAPS

This is the gambler's bookcase new one today with new site and a new video on their channel.

Deja Vu strikes again!

This is the same as the previously released "KNOCKOUT CRAPS". (Search and read it for free!)

Don't be fooled.
Take care,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jun 21, 07:20 AM 2017
Atlantis,
By any chance, do you know why so many of Martin Silverthorne's and Russell Hunter's PDFs are nowadays available on the web for free?

I find it quite mystifying that they are not doing something about it.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 25, 03:22 AM 2017
Hi DoctorSudoku,

Granted, it is most odd. Why do they allow it when it is unfavourable to them?
A case in point is today - they have just released a "NEW" one:

"SYSTEM 15 ROULETTE" along with a gamblers bookcase channel video for it...

System 15 Roulette has Proven 99.37% Win Rate!

Here is an extract from the site page marketing blurb:

Quote
Developed by a British aristocrat, System 15 Roulette is so good that several casino bosses have threatened to close down their roulette wheels.

Yet because it is 100% legal there is not a thing the casinos can do to prevent you from winning! 

How System 15 Roulette Broke Roulette’s Code!

Sir James is retired from Britain’s MI6, the legendary secret agency that was the home of James Bond. Sir James was a cryptographic expert and used his skills to break codes used by Russian and Syrian agents in the Middle East.

After he retired he decided to turn his code-breaking skills to the casino game of roulette.

He explained. “Nearly all codes can eventually be broken by analyzing patterns. Roulette invariably creates patterns that can be broken just like some secret code.”

And, that is what Sir James did. He broke the secret code of how to play roulette’s patterns. For players who know how to use Sir James’ code breaking System 15 Roulette, roulette play will never be the same!

Nothing like a good laugh first thing in the morning!  :)

But this is not new - no sirreee.

It is simply a rename of their previous street system: "STREET SMART ROULETTE" covered earlier.

If I'm not mistaken they attributed that one to a swiss scientific genius - not a dickybird there about British secret agents and James Bond!!  Yet the testimonials are the same and from the same ppl.

Anyhow, you can read that online for free. They didn't delete it - the silly sausages... :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.


Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 01, 04:53 AM 2017
Looks like the aussies have got blackjack wrapped up!

Today -  a new gambler's bookcase youtube channel video and a new site for:

"THE AUSTRALIAN STRIKE STRATEGY"

Turn $30 into $6,712 a Day! Learn to Beat Blackjack the Australian Way! Turnkey Winning System!

Developed by a marine biologist who lost his leg to a Great White Shark!

Quote
Ian knew a lot about shark watching. He is a marine biologist who was formerly a “shark tagger.” A Shark Tagger gets in close enough to sharks to tag them so that they can be tracked for further study.

“I loved my job until one of the big buggers off the Great Reef decided to nibble on me. ”

After a great white shark removed his left leg from the knee down Ian felt like he needed a different career.

He laughed. “I was afraid that having had a taste of me he might like to finish his meal.”

Fortunately for us Ian decided to turn his scientifically trained mind to blackjack.

“I got to thinking about what was safer and a bit more profitable than swimming up to and tagging big fish. I thought I’d try blackjack for a change.”

Ian developed the Australian Strike Strategy â€" a strategy even deadlier to blackjack than great white sharks are to humans.


My sense of deja vu is telling me this will probably turn out to be the previously released:

SHARK ATTACK BLACKJACK - and guess what. I am 100% CORRECT ON THAT!

Read the pdf for free online!

Incidentally it is also known under other names too:

"Blackjack's Secret Formula"

"BattleBlackjack"

"The Bulgarian Trap"

"System Q Blackjack"

They obviously like pushing this one a lot.

Don't be fooled.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 09, 05:06 PM 2017
New from them today is:

"DOUBLE STRIKE STRATEGY" for Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, Sic-Bo etc...

Quote
Old Time Gambler, Bennie Steinberg, Reveals How He Won a Fortune Playing Blackjack, Craps, Roulette and Baccarat!

This story that Martin Silverthorne then proceeds to relate in his own inimitable style sounds VERY familiar indeed. Y'know like I'd heard it before sometime quite recently... Wait a mo' - the mists are clearing and I see it now!!

Why, it turns out this is none other than their previous SLAM BETTING strategy covered earlier except then the Ol' Timer in question was a certain Zeke Steiner in that one.

And, in turn,  SLAM BETTING is just that old chestnut: THE STEIGER STRATEGY dressed in new clothes. And that one is attributed to somebody entirely different as well - high roller Lex Steiger. (what do you mean you never even heard of  him?)

I'm sure you will draw your own conclusions as to the veracity of the Silverthorne "claims", "testimonials" and "guarantees".

BTW, you can read their STEIGER STRATEGY online for FREE.

Take care and don't be fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 18, 04:01 AM 2017
Today they released a page for:
TACTICAL BLACKJACK

I discovered it is the same as:
FORMULA 57 BLACKJACK

which you can read as .pdf for free after a search. :)

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 25, 03:09 AM 2017
Here we go again!

A new video on their channel and a new page for:

"STRIKE BET ROULETTE"

According to Martin J. SIlverthorne "We have just finished extensive testing of Strike Bet Roulette..."

Except of course this system already exists from as far back as 2009 (and maybe even earlier!) when it was known as:

"DOMINATOR ROULETTE" (Google search and get it free!)

Take care and don't get fooled,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 02, 04:08 AM 2017
Today Silverthorne announced a new strategy:

SYSTEM 98

“System 98 is the Premier Gambling Strategy
for Winning Games With Even- Money Bets.”

This has been previously released as the

BET MASTER STRATEGY

A.K.A.

THE DEVEREUX SYSTEM

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Aug 02, 08:56 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 02, 04:08 AM 2017
Today Silverthorne announced a new strategy:

SYSTEM 98

“System 98 is the Premier Gambling Strategy
for Winning Games With Even- Money Bets.”

This has been previously released as the

BET MASTER STRATEGY

A.K.A.

THE DEVEREUX SYSTEM

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.

Atlantis,
Martin Silverthorne apparently has quite a few good writers ghost-writing his booklets for him (given that they are usually so well-written).

However, what he urgently needs is a technically capable web master -- who can put a lid on all his booklets mysteriously becoming available for free on his web site !
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Pogo on Aug 03, 03:10 AM 2017
Does any sane person really think that anything released by Martin Silverthorne is anything but junk?
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 07, 04:19 AM 2017
Today they released:

SECTOR BET ROULETTE

"Sector-Bet Roulette Is So Good That It Has Never Lost! Not Even Once in 5,221 Carefully Documented Games!"

However, this system already exists as:

ROULETTE CYCLE T BETTING

and that one is also an alias for that old chestnut:

FLETCHERS POWER PRO ROULETTE yet again!!

Google that and you can probably get for free.

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 13, 06:04 AM 2017
Today they released:

THE PACKER PROGRESSION

"$35 Is All The Bankroll You Need to Win $1,110 an Hour With the Packer Progression!"

"This is the First Release"  $99

However, it has been released before as:

THE SIX-BET BETTING SYSTEM

Google it and get it free!

Take care and regards,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 01, 01:17 PM 2017
Just now Gamblers Bookcase released "The Seven Strike Strategy" for EC games along with a video on their youtube channel...

To give you a flavour of the sales blurb:
Quote
The Seven-Strike Strategy simply overwhelms the games of craps, roulette, baccarat and mini-baccarat.

My name is Kyle Carson.  I am a cryptanalyst, sometimes called a code breaker. I learned my craft working as a contractor for the National Security Agency. A few years ago I decided to “retire” from government work. Now instead of having endless meeting with spooks I meet with my corporate counterparts who are constantly worried about hackers breaking into their sensitive computer data.

Now, I am retiring from corporate work to make a living beating the casinos at their own games.  I was on a trip to Washington D.C. that things began to change . . .

...I discovered that the key to winning was by combining my Code-Breaking System with a unique bet placement formula and then tying them together with a Seven-Strike Strategy!....

...I found that using Code-Breaking Bets in Seven Betting Positions gave me a substantial edge over the casinos!

Perhaps this is because of he first ten numbers seven is the most prime. You cannot multiply or divide it within the group.

Or, maybe it’s because seven is often used in breaking codes.

Regardless of why it worked I found that by fine-tuning my system to consist of Seven-Code-Breaking Bets placed according to the Cryptic Bet Placement Formula soundly broke the code holding together the house edge!....

...This strategy is so dependable that it has been called "the scientific gambling system" because it overcomes the house edge with a strategy that actually favors the players...

...Over a period of several weeks, I met a number of Martin’s associates and students and asked them to help with testing my strategy. This was probably the smartest thing I ever did. The strategy continued to shine in real life play. The students’ experiences and comments contributed greatly to my being able to put together a course revealing exactly how to use the Seven-Strike Strategy. You can read about some of their experiences on this web site....
I notice he had to contact Martin Silverthorne for help in putting his strategy together. Good ol' Martin -eh?

It goes on and on as per usual....

However - it just so happens that you don't have to buy it - that's because it's been released before but under another name:

"Gambling's Secret Formula"

only that time a certain Karl Von Schiller is claimed as the originator and there's no long winded bs about codebreaking,  cryptography or hacking.

You can prolly read it for free online if you search gamblings secret formula pdf
and check it out.

Take care and don't get fooled!

:)
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 02, 07:42 AM 2017
If Martin Silverthorne is truly running out of betting method ideas and is forced to repackage old ideas with new names, then there is a simple solution for his business woes.

All he has to do is visit this website and x and go through the hundreds of systems that have been posted over the last decade or so.

He can select some of the ones that he likes, dress them up with some fancy-schmancy, multi-step, ladder-type negative progressions, and sell them as revolutionary new systems that will earn hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And some of the forum members here (like Andre Chass and some of Priyanka's desperate minions) would probably fall headlong for his marketing gimmicks and actually buy them from him !  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 07, 05:09 AM 2017
Hi DoctorSudoku,

A new website and video on their youtube channel herald "Siegel's Shotgun System" released for the first time today

(and that actually may be true this time as I can find no pre-existing duplicate of this one under a different name!!)

Mobster Bugsy Siegel’s Shotgun Roulette System Discovered Seventy Years After a Vengeful Mafia Member Killed Him!
$1 Bettors Win $438 an Hour Like Clockwork!
$5 Bettors Easily Win $2,190 an Hour!
And, $25 Bettors Win More Than $10,000 an Hour Without Fail!

Silverthorne begins by telling us the background of the mobster and then how he (Martin) "found" this system...

Quote
I discovered Siegel’s Shotgun last year. It was in a box of old files from the Flamingo that were to be thrown out.  An acquaintance of mine “rescued” the box and it ended up in my garage. I didn’t get around to cleaning in out until my wife, Diane, decided that it was time to organize my junk.

I was sitting on a stool in the garage sorting the contents of the box into an ever-growing pile of trash and a few items I wanted to take a closer look at when a small folded piece of paper fell out of some old casino personnel files. At first I almost tossed it away but something caught my eye.

Someone had jotted “Ben Siegel’s System” on the outside of the yellowed paper and once I unfolded it I recognized it. It was the system the infamous gangster, Bugsy Siegel, used to play roulette. The story was that the system was so good that it almost never lost, which was why it was created. Bugsy was such a poor loser.

Love it! What a stroke of good fortune. Good ol' Martin... finding that system after all this time.. Well of course just how do you authenticate something like that. I dunno...

The bet (as shown in the video) seems to be betting a split and a corner as far as I can see. There may be a bit more to it though.

A better bet would be that this system will crop up again real soon resurfacing under a new name if it doesn't do well with the mobsters story pinned to it.  :)

Take care and don't get fooled.
A.

Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 07, 05:20 AM 2017

Great story !

Thanks for the update.

Of course, it won't do well in terms of sales. Few people (other than newbies to the scene) will see the need to spend money on it .

Why?

Because most people by now know that it will end up being freely available  on his web site soon because poor Martin Silverthorne still does not appreciate the necessity of hiring a professional web master to manage his web site.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 14, 03:33 AM 2017
Today they released:

TrackerBetBaccarat

This is the same as:

Target Baccarat (from 2015)

Google it - read it online!    :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: joiner29 on Sep 14, 12:50 PM 2017
Hi has anybody had any dealings with Robert Reno, he makes some mighty claims on his website :.ProGamblingSystems.com
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 14, 01:31 PM 2017
Quote from: joiner29 on Sep 14, 12:50 PM 2017
Hi has anybody had any dealings with Robert Reno, he makes some mighty claims on his website :.ProGamblingSystems.com

He advertises betting both player and banker at the same time and getting rich

Scam
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: joiner29 on Sep 15, 09:47 AM 2017
Thanks
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: BlackCat on Sep 18, 03:28 PM 2017
I'm new to this, so thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 21, 03:22 AM 2017
Today they released:
"Counter Strike Blackjack"

It is nothing new.

Is just the same as the previously released:
"Tracker Blackjack

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 22, 08:32 AM 2017
Quote from: BlackCat on Sep 18, 03:28 PM 2017

I'm new to this, so thanks for sharing!



Six posts as of Friday morning and you are already in "moderated" status !

That's a record for a newbie -- even  Gilius-Falkor took longer than that to be placed in that status !
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 22, 12:15 PM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 22, 08:32 AM 2017

Six posts as of Friday morning and you are already in "moderated" status !

That's a record for a newbie -- even  Gilius-Falkor took longer than that to be placed in that status !

Some people have toooooo much time on their hands and get their jollies off forums and different aliases.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 02:44 PM 2017
Just out today - a NEW video on their channel and site for:

"The Burns System"

Secretive Gambler Tommy Burns
Reveals the Most Powerful System
Ever Developed for Roulette!

Except it isn't new. That's HOGWASH.

Was previously released as:

Slam Betting
The Steiger Strategy
Tracker Roulette

and maybe some other i forget...

Anyhow search for: tracker roulette
You can read it online. :)

Take care and don't get fooled,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 02, 08:51 AM 2017
Today I received a message about a NEW system from them...

"The Frost Formula"

which according to them: "Easily Beats The Games of Roulette, Craps, Baccarat, Mini-Baccarat, Sic Bo as Well as Blackjack!"

Quote
Never lose at gambling again!
Professional Player’s Secret Strategy Revealed After Being “Locked Up” For Nineteen Years!

Frank Frost has been beating the casinos consistently for Twenty-Five years.

Now he has agreed to share his strategy with a few other players!

If you would like to win $500 every thirty minutes you play then this is the system for you!

“The Frost Formula is the Easiest and Most Reliable Way Ever Created to Win $10,000 a Week!"

Now 'Someone' is not being straight here - for there is another system existing from 2011 called:

"The Stearn Strategy" which has more or less the exact same blurb and sales copy on its site!!

Even the several "testimonials" are EXACTLY THE SAME too! For example -

Quote
"The Frost Formula is the best gambling system I have ever used. I have been using it for over two years and it has never let me down.

"It is easy to use and produces very consistent winnings. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants a predictable and reliable way of winning at gambling."

Stan S. â€" Akron, Ohio

Quote
"The Stearn Strategy is the best gambling system I have ever used. I have been using it for over two years and it has never let me down.

"It is easy to use and produces very consistent winnings. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants a predictable and reliable way of winning at gambling."

Stan S. â€" Akron, Ohio

They cannot BOTH be right, can they? Either it was invented by George Stearn or Frank Frost - which is it?

Anyhow you can read the Stearn Strategy pdf for free by doing a search online...
I see someone did a youtube vid test of the Stearn progression as well - it looks to have failed miserably on more than one occasion...

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Oct 02, 10:49 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 02, 08:51 AM 2017

which according to them: "Easily Beats The Games of Roulette, Craps, Baccarat, Mini-Baccarat, Sic Bo as Well as Blackjack!"



I can understand that maybe somebody can somehow come up with a bet selection strategy (and an attendant progression) that can beat roulette, craps, baccarat, and sic bo, since they all have EC betting opportunities and fairly long streaks as common factors to all of them (craps has pass versus don't pass and sic bo has big vs small and even vs odd as EC options).

But when that person claims that that same strategy can beat blackjack also, then that raises red flags instantly (blackjack does not offer any comparable EC betting options nor does it produce streaks of any significant length like the above-listed games).
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 08, 03:46 AM 2017
Today Gambler's Bookcase released a new video on their channel and a site for:

"Take Down Roulette"

Quote
“Turn Just $6 Into $25,000 in Only 17 Hours!  We Will Send You a 100% Proven Plan You Can Use to Do This With Absolute Certainty of Success!”

Beware - this is however the same as:

"The Mini-Max Roulette Strategy"

from Silverthorne in 2010.
(It's an EC bet with a hedge on the zero)

You can google mini-max roulette pdf and find it online to read though!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 14, 03:42 AM 2017
Another one today:

"Super-Max Baccarat"

This is just a rebrand of their previously titled:

"Ultimate Baccarat"

aka:

"Strategic Baccarat"

Take care and don't be fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 19, 02:47 AM 2017
Gambler's Bookcase channel on youtube never give up!!!

Another release today:

"THE SAVAGE STRATEGY"

Turns out to be not new at all. Has been previously offered as:

"ROULETTE ATTACK STRATEGY" from Silverthorne in 2011.

Take care and don't be fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Oct 20, 04:27 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 19, 02:47 AM 2017
Gambler's Bookcase channel on youtube never give up!!!

Another release today:

"THE SAVAGE STRATEGY"

Turns out to be not new at all. Has been previously offered as:

"ROULETTE ATTACK STRATEGY" from Silverthorne in 2011.

Take care and don't be fooled!

A.


Thanks for another new notification / warning.

Over the years, this guy has  published well over a dozen different systems spanning the four major table games (craps, blackjack, baccarat, and roulette).

I am just curious how do you know that every time this scammer comes out with another supposedly brand new system, that it is indeed a reincarnation of a previously published system?

You must have an extraordinarily good memory to do that !
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 21, 10:03 AM 2017
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 20, 04:27 PM 2017
Over the years, this guy has  published well over a dozen different systems spanning the four major table games (craps, blackjack, baccarat, and roulette).

I am just curious how do you know that every time this scammer comes out with another supposedly brand new system, that it is indeed a reincarnation of a previously published system?

Hi Doctorsudoku,

Firstly, I am subscribed to their youtube channel - which means I always get a Windows alert + an email as soon as any new release is posted with a link to their demo vid of the system. Also they make a new site page for each and every one of their new systems which you can then compare against their other older pages.

Steve (forum site owner) has advised me not to give the guy any further publicity than absolutely necessary by revealing the URL's to the sites as well in my notification/warning posts, but when you compare them it is obvious it is the same method under a different name. For one thing, the sales blurb is very much the same and the testimonials and claims are the same - it is usually just the imaginative and fictive backstory to the origination and invention of the system only that varies with each incarnation. :)

Its not so much a case of having a good memory at all - I can simply enter a phrase or testimonial from the purportedly new site into google search - and it will instantly find one or two previous systems they released that contain the same phrase! I then visit and examine and compare those to confirm that it is indeed without a shadow of a doubt the very same system.
The reason this works is that they can't be bothered to alter the main body of text, claims, testimonials or page footers very much at all - they just seem to do a quick job on it by changing just the name, graphics and backstory only instead of taking the trouble to write a completely new page from scratch! If they did do that it would be much, much harder to identify it as an existing system - but either they don't have the time or inclination to care or or are not in the slightest bit worried about it affecting their sales...
Personally, I think it very negligent and remiss of them to do this. It  simply reveals and exposes their blatant, disreputable, underhand tactics to try and trick or deceive ppl into thinking it a new product; which is not very clever move; each time they persist in doing it simply adds to the bad and negative publicity they already have received - hence my ongoing warnings to this end.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 24, 04:02 AM 2017
Today they released a new video and site for:

"D F Formula Betting"

This is the same as the previously existing:

"T-Betting System"


Take care and don't get fooled.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Bettingking on Oct 24, 01:00 PM 2017
A shame like other businesses that they cannot be shutdown for 'deceptive practices'. The rookie would initially be sucked in with all the hype. Also a shame it is not stipulated as to where you live and state that it would be considered an offence.......but it comes with a free book!!!!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 28, 07:49 AM 2017
Today they released:
"DOUBLE STRIKE BLACKJACK"

Quote
Double Strike Blackjack is the Unstoppable New System That Is Rolling Over the Casinos!
It Beats Every Version of Blackjack Dealt Today, Including the Online Games.
Now, For the First Time It is Being Released!

This has actually been released before in 2016 under a different name:

"TAKE DOWN BLACKJACK"

I found the 172 page pdf book was readable for free online thru Google - take down blackjack
The silly sausages forgot to remove it!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Oct 28, 09:41 AM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 28, 07:49 AM 2017


The silly sausages forgot to remove it!  :)




Since this is a chronic problem for them, I think the silly sausages simply don't possess the requisite technical knowhow to remove this and all the other documents from their web site !!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 30, 11:07 AM 2017
Today they released:
"THE MAD MAX BETTING SYSTEM"

This one is the same as:

"THE DEVEREUX SYSTEM" and "THE BET MASTER STRATEGY"

but is also the same as the much older:

"THE 80-20 SYSTEM" from many years ago....

That can be read/downloaded for free online by typing into google: "silverthorne the 80-20 system pdf"

Have fun and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 01, 04:38 AM 2017
New from them today is:

"THE VARGA FORMULA"

Quote
There is a Fantastic New Way of Playing Roulette That Easily Beats Every Version of Roulette Offered Today!

Most Gambling Experts Believe That Roulette Cannot Be Consistently Beaten by a Betting System!

Yet, There’s One Betting System That Proves That the Experts are Dead Wrong â€"

The Varga Formula Beats Roulette Cold in Every Form Including Land-based, Online and Electronic Versions of the Game!

This is none other than the previously released:

"ROULETTE STRATEGY 618"

released by them in 2016...

I checked that one and it is a repeat of their pre-existing: "ROULETTE FORMULA CBW" (lines system)

Don't get fooled!

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 05, 03:21 AM 2017
Today Gamblers Bookcase posted a new video on their channel and a new page for:

"THE NINJA BETTOR"

Quote
System Soundly Beats
Roulette, Craps and Baccarat!

So Powerful That $20 Is
All You Need to Win $10,000 a Day!

Now, For First Time
Ninja Betting is Being Released!

But wait - Hang on a bit - this looks familiar - a little bit of deja vu going on here!!!

Why, bless my soul, 'tis none other than the existing:

"THE VT BETTOR" from 2016

and that is simply the same as:

"POWER V FORMULA" from 2011

Google "the power v formula" to read the pdf book - download it?

Stay wary. Cheers!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 09, 11:29 AM 2017
Today they released:
"BLITZ-BET ROULETTE"

Quote
This is a New Way of Playing Roulette That Uses the Same Principles the German Army used in its Unstoppable “Lightning Warfare” Campaigns in World War II.

Blitz-Bet Roulette is a system that is so powerful that even $2 bettors win an incredible $2,262 an hour playing online!

This turns out to be the same as their 2014 offering:
"THE GUDERIAN PROGRESSION"

also known as:

"THE HEISENBERG PROGRESSION SYSTEM"

Type into google: guderian progression
and you can read it or download the pdf book online :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: psimoes on Nov 09, 11:45 AM 2017
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Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: joiner29 on Nov 10, 08:53 AM 2017
Hi has anybody dealt with this guy his name is John-Pierre saying with $60 bankroll you cannot loose
link:s://sites.google.com/view/roulettekm2s
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 16, 05:03 AM 2017
Today 'Gamblers Bookcase' released on their YouTube channel a video for:

"The Larsen Lockdown Strategy"
Quote
Beats the Game by Playing the Prime Numbers of Roulette!
Once You Learn this Unique Way of Playing and Winning You’ll Win Every Time You Play!

Attributed to author - Kim Larsen

However, this has also been released before in 2016 under this name:

"The Stephanov Roulette Strategy"
Quote
Beats the Game by Playing the Key Numbers of Roulette!
Once You Learn this Unique Way of Playing and Winning You’ll Win Every Time You Play!

Attributed to author - Victor Stephanov


Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 16, 10:05 AM 2017
Got another email today advertising their:

"LaMarca's Blackjack"

This pdf manual can be actually read/downloaded online, if you type that into Google search box...

For good measure it seems you can also read/download their:

"LaMarca's Power Roulette Strategy" as well! 

:)

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 28, 08:15 AM 2017
Today, I received a link to a Gamblers Bookcase youtube channel video advertising a NEW method:

"Nine-Bet Roulette"

After I checked their sales page I quickly twigged that it was just a repackage of another of their page sites for:

"Fast Strike Roulette"

which in itself is an alias for a 2014 system of theirs:

"Checkmate Roulette" (which seems you can get freely if you do a search for it)

:)

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 30, 04:49 AM 2017
Hi,

This morning they sent me an email ad for "TRI-POWER BACCARAT"

I discovered that this particular system book (pdf) can be read or downloaded online freely.

search for: tri-power baccarat pdf

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 05, 11:19 AM 2017
Today they advertised:

"DICE RHYTHM BETTING"

Quote
“Turn $50 Into a $1,200 An Hour Income!”

Until now this has been the closely guarded secret of a handful of craps pros who make handsome livings off of it with low time and dollar investments.

Now one of them, Tex Thompson, has agreed to reveal how he lives a life of ease as a craps player!

This Amazing Strategy has Never Before Been Published or Revealed.

This one has been released before under the name:

"QUICK STRIKE CRAPS"

from Silverthorne in 2011.

Quote
I Have Discovered the Perfect Craps System!

Incredibly, once you learn it, you will easily be able to turn $50 into $1,200 in an Hour.

And, you will be able to do this as often as you like.

This Amazing Strategy has Never Before Been Published or Revealed.

Until now is has been the closely guarded secret of a handful of craps pros who make handsome livings off of it with low time and dollar investments.

Now one of them, George Stern, has agreed to reveal how he lives a life of ease as a craps player!

The latter mentioned, I found to be downloadable for free online thru google search!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Dec 06, 04:58 PM 2017
Quote from: atlantis on Nov 30, 04:49 AM 2017
Hi,

This morning they sent me an email ad for "TRI-POWER BACCARAT"

I discovered that this particular system book (pdf) can be read or downloaded online freely.

search for: tri-power baccarat pdf

Take care,
A.


I am surprised that Martin Silverthorne is promoting Trace Cooper's Tri Power baccarat just now.

I have owned it (free download via Google search) for at least six months now.

I think the old shyster is in the early throes of Alzheimer's disease.

Though, sadly but understandably, few in the gambling community would feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 07, 11:20 AM 2017
It's getting towards Christmas so they have released another "NEW" one:

"ARBITRAGE BETTING SYSTEM"

Quote
Imagine Beating Roulette, Baccarat, Craps and Even Sic Bo Using a System Based on the Same Principles Used to Win at Sports Betting!

They say that: "For the Past Nine Months We Have Been Developing, Testing and Refining the Most Amazing Strategy Ever Created for Winning at Casino Gambling!"

However, when I read the ad I again experienced that strange but now familiar sensation of deja-vu!

This exact same method has already been on sale over a year ago and known then as:

"The RTM Strategy" (reversion to mean) from 2016

and that in itself is none other than a repackage of their:

"Monte Carlo Multiplier" strategy from 2015!!!!!

The one where they bet on BOTH outcomes of a spin eg RED and BLACK together!

Now I cannot seem to find the book (pdf) online for these - unless someone else has found a link to either of them...?

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 12, 03:33 AM 2017
Today they re-released:
SYSTEM-3 BLACKJACK for $99

However it seems you can get to see the original pdf book online for free if you google "system-3 blackjack manual book pdf"

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 14, 08:56 AM 2017
Got an email from them today for a new updated site page:
"BACCARAT ATTACK STRATEGY" - $99

Anyone remotely interested in this one can read it or obtain it free online by googling "baccarat attack strategy".

Take care and don't be fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 19, 11:43 AM 2017
Hi,

Today they emailed a sales ad for:

R SYSTEM ROULETTE!

This is the same system as the ones on the pages for:

SECTOR BET ROULETTE

ROULETTE CYCLE T BETTING

FLETCHERS POWER PRO ROULETTE

FLETCHER FORMULA ROULETTE


Search: fletcher formula roulette pdf

Take care and don't get fooled,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 30, 04:32 AM 2017
Recently they released:

SWITCH-BET ROULETTE

Don't be fooled - looks simply a reboot of their corner betting "SuperQuadsRoulette" or Sharpshooter Roulette" now advertised under a different name!
These can be found and read online for free :)

THOMPSON TAKEDOWN STRATEGY

Don't be fooled - simply a rebrand of "Roulette Attack Strategy" also available to look at online.

Happy New Year,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 06, 08:24 AM 2018
I just got an email from them advertising another NEW system. Here is a snippet from it:

Quote
I want to tell you about a Spectacular Gambling Breakthrough!
We are releasing for the First Time a Super Powerful new M Force-Based Strategy that overpowers the games of roulette, baccarat and craps.
This new powerhouse system was developed by a stock trader and a rocket scientist and its power is really unlimited.
Several of our players are calling the M Formula “the Best Gambling System of All Time!”

Here’s a Fact You Can Bank On â€"
Anyone Who Can Read This Report Can Easily Turn $20 Into $10,513 in One Day Using the M Formula!”

With a Verified 96.67% Long-Term Win Rate, The Power V Formula is Virtually “Unstoppable.”

Did you spot the stupid big gaffe they made?

They talk about a new "M FORCE SYSTEM" but the silly sausages forgot to amend the text that clearly shows that this system is simply an alias of the already existing "THE POWER V FORMULA".

They saved me the trouble of doing a bit of detective work to discover that fact!
Thanks Gambler's Bookcase. :)

Anyhow the POWER V FORMULA can be read freely online...

Take care and don't be fooled.
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 09, 09:04 AM 2018
They are quick to release a system called:
HAMMERSMITH'S HAMMER BETTING for EC betting (Roulette, Craps, Sic Bo, Baccarat)

This turns out to be the already released:

DOUBLE STRIKE STRATEGY

and same as:

HAMMERLOCK CRAPS (search for readable free online pdf)

Take care and don't be fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 09, 09:34 AM 2018
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 09, 09:04 AM 2018
They are quick to release a system called:
HAMMERSMITH'S HAMMER BETTING for EC betting (Roulette, Craps, Sic Bo, Baccarat)

This turns out to be the already released:

DOUBLE STRIKE STRATEGY

and same as:

HAMMERLOCK CRAPS (search for readable free online pdf)

It is also known as:

SLAM BETTING

which is just the same as the old:

THE STEIGER STRATEGY

which is available to read/download online if you do a search... :)

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Locomotivist on Jan 10, 06:44 PM 2018
Very interesting thread you have got going here -- thanks for posting these updates to warn us of this scammer.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 14, 06:06 AM 2018
More deja vu moments this morning, Locomotivist!
Gamblers Bookcase have released a purportedly new one today: ROULETTE SYSTEM 1-2-3

It's a system for street betting....

However I thought it sounded familiar. This one has been previously released as:

SYSTEM 15 ROULETTE

and

STREET SMART ROULETTE

which you can read for free or download after a google search: street smart roulette pdf
There's also a link there to watch their 'video guide' to playing the system as well :)

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 20, 07:02 AM 2018
Today they announced a "new" betting strategy:

"THE EQUILIBRIUM BET SYSTEM" for roulette.

This is the same as the already existing:

SYSTEM 98

BET MASTER STRATEGY

DEVEREUX SYSTEM

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 25, 01:52 PM 2018
Today they sent me an email ad for:

ULTIMATE BACCARAT STRATEGY

It's not new.

This seems to be available to read/download here:

link:s://:.pdfdrive.net/the-ultimate-baccarat-strategy-gamblers-bookcase-e3601601.html

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 28, 01:36 PM 2018
Today they sent me an email ad for:

TRACKER ROULETTE

Another one that's not new.

Google search: gambler's bookcase tracker roulette

Read it online or download the pdf

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 01, 05:48 AM 2018
Today they sent a mail about:

BET MASTER ROULETTE

This is the same as:

HUNTER ROULETTE
THE DEVEREUX SYSTEM
BET MASTER STRATEGY

You can probably get to read it or download one of these online....

Nuff said.

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Feb 01, 10:14 PM 2018
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 09, 09:04 AM 2018


HAMMERLOCK CRAPS (search for readable free online pdf)



Thanks for mentioning it.

Craps is my favorite table game and so I am interested in this strategy.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 03, 03:16 PM 2018
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 01, 10:14 PM 2018
Thanks for mentioning it.

Craps is my favorite table game and so I am interested in this strategy.

Hi DoctorSudoku,

Today they sent me an ad for

"KNOCKOUT CRAPS"

You can get or read online by search for "knockout craps pdf"

Take care and don't get fooled.
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Feb 03, 03:22 PM 2018
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 03, 03:16 PM 2018
Hi DoctorSudoku,

Today they sent me an ad for

"KNOCKOUT CRAPS"

You can get or read online by search for "knockout craps pdf"

Take care and don't get fooled.
A.

That's good -- thank you very much !
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 13, 01:27 PM 2018
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 07, 05:09 AM 2017
Hi DoctorSudoku,

A new website and video on their youtube channel herald "Siegel's Shotgun System" released for the first time today

(and that actually may be true this time as I can find no pre-existing duplicate of this one under a different name!!)

Mobster Bugsy Siegel’s Shotgun Roulette System Discovered Seventy Years After a Vengeful Mafia Member Killed Him!
$1 Bettors Win $438 an Hour Like Clockwork!
$5 Bettors Easily Win $2,190 an Hour!
And, $25 Bettors Win More Than $10,000 an Hour Without Fail!

Silverthorne begins by telling us the background of the mobster and then how he (Martin) "found" this system...

Love it! What a stroke of good fortune. Good ol' Martin... finding that system after all this time.. Well of course just how do you authenticate something like that. I dunno...

The bet (as shown in the video) seems to be betting a split and a corner as far as I can see. There may be a bit more to it though.

A better bet would be that this system will crop up again real soon resurfacing under a new name if it doesn't do well with the mobsters story pinned to it.  :)

Take care and don't get fooled.
A.



Here it is again TODAY with a new look website and video on their channel resurfacing under yet a DIFFERENT name:

"FOURTEEN BET ROULETTE" (corner and split bet method)

and with a DIFFERENT backstory/inventor !! :)

Quote
System Engineering was a big part of the success of the Apollo Space Missions. Now For the First Time It has Been Applied to Roulette!

Developed by James Wright, a Systems Engineer who analyzed and then found a way to beat roulette, Fourteen Bet Roulette Simply Overwhelms Land-based, Electronic and Online Roulette Games!

and later...

Quote
James Forrester is a systems engineer. Last year he attended a conference in Las Vegas and ended up playing roulette for the first time.

Over the period of two days of playing he developed a simple system of “spread betting” to catch winning numbers.


He won $2,247 in two days and became intrigued with the concept of applying systems engineering to the game of roulette.

Systems engineering is a discovery process that can be applied to defense and aerospace as well as extremely complex projects like the Apollo Space Missions.

Forrester envisioned the game of roulette as a manufacturing process whose product was an endless set of numbers.  The problem of beating the game was to discover how to set up bets in such a way that numbers would be caught at a higher rate than pure randomness. In other words, he believed he could develop a system that would overcome the house edge using the same principles used to develop functional systems for managing extremely complex processes.

He believed that he had won because his simple system of spreading bets working according to the principles he had in mind.  Now he needed to refine his system to develop a reliable way to beat the game of roulette.

James Forrester contacted me to see what I thought about his system. After discussing it with him on the phone I told him that it sounded like it had merit and I asked him to send me the complete system.

Well is it invented by James WRIGHT.... Or James FORRESTER???
(bit of a proofreading slip up there dear ol' Martin..)

As I rightly predicted they have eventually dropped the 'Bugsy Siegel' mobster storyline and dressed it up with a new Apollo Space engineering theme. :)

Take good care and don't get fooled by them,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Feb 13, 07:34 PM 2018
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 13, 01:27 PM 2018
Here it is again TODAY with a new look website and video on their channel resurfacing under yet a DIFFERENT name:

"FOURTEEN BET ROULETTE" (corner and split bet method)

and with a DIFFERENT backstory/inventor !! :)

and later...

Well is it invented by James WRIGHT.... Or James FORRESTER???
(bit of a proofreading slip up there dear ol' Martin..)

As I rightly predicted they have eventually dropped the 'Bugsy Siegel' mobster storyline and dressed it up with a new Apollo Space engineering theme. :)

Take good care and don't get fooled by them,

A.


Good ole (well, NOT really !)  Martin Silverthorne ...... you can count on him to continually come up with new names and new stories to repackage and resell the same old lumps of turd.

As the saying goes: garbage in, garbage out. 
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 21, 04:06 AM 2018
Today they released a NEW $99 system:

"THE A.I. BETTING SYSTEM"

with a new back-story as well....

Quote
Artificial Intelligence is Turning Our World Upside Down!

We already have computer-controlled stock trading systems and intelligent robots. And, fully automated driver-less cars are only a few years away.

Now there is a new breakthrough in Artificial Intelligence!

For the First Time AI has been turned loose on casino gambling!

Don't get fooled! - it's the yonks old Silverthorne "NEURAL STRATEGY" again!!!
(Wondered when they would get round to flogging that old chestnut again)  :)

A very quick search on google show it is still freely available to read/download.

Take care,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 28, 04:38 AM 2018
Hi,
They sent me an email advertising their latest NEW $99 system:
"CRAPS-MAX BETTING SYSTEM"

Quote
Win $452 Every
Ten Minutes You Play!

If You Would Like to Make More Money, Faster, Safer and Easier Than Anything You Have Ever Tried, This is the Solution!

Instead of Setting up a Web Site, or Struggling Trying to Get a Business Going, You Can Net More Than $25,000 a Month with Craps-Max Betting!

Yeah.. Right!

Now I discovered this NOT new after all. Is in fact an alias of:

"TAKE DOWN CRAPS"

Exactly the same sales blurb as above but published in 2015!

The silly-billies forgot to delete a link to the video course that explains with aid of a few videos exactly how to play it!!!

link:://:.takedowncraps.com/dnTakDnCraps525rfVdcc9xS/TakeDownCrapsVideoCourse.pdf

Have fun watching it!

Take care and don't get fooled by them.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: jiggs on Mar 06, 06:55 AM 2018
They are now in Amazon kindle store. The first book was "Packer Progression". Cost is $9.90 for kindle book.

Their second book is "The Arbitrage Betting System: Win at Craps, Roulette, Baccarat and Blackjack the Scientific Way!". Cost is $39.90. Arbitrage Betting is for Sports Betting and it is unbelievable that it can be applied for Casino games.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 07, 05:28 AM 2018
Hi jiggs,

You mentioned THE PACKER PROGRESSION

"$35 Is All The Bankroll You Need to Win $1,110 an Hour With the Packer Progression!"

"This is the First Release"  $99

However, it has been released before as:

THE SIX-BET BETTING SYSTEM

Google it and get it free!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: jiggs on Mar 07, 05:57 AM 2018
Thanks for the information.

Has "Arbitrage betting system" released before? I am wondering how arbitrage betting can be applied to casino games with fixed odds.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 07, 08:39 AM 2018
Hi Jiggs,

"The Arbitrage Betting System"

is the same as their:

"The RTM Strategy" (reversion to mean)

and

"Monte Carlo Multiplier" system

The one where they bet on BOTH outcomes of a spin eg RED and BLACK together!

You can watch a video of it in action on the Gambler's Bookcase youtube channel with the title:

"Unstoppable Roulette System Wins $1505 an hour!"

It really, really perplexes me that they don't use the safer and sensible practice of "difference" betting instead of placing (risking) chips on both the red and the black spots !!?

I notice they just brought out a new vid for one called  "Logic-Bet Roulette" based on boolean logic used by computers....blah... blah... blah...

This has been earlier released already as "Cross-Bet Roulette"

Seems to be just betting the doz+col of the last result with a progression.

Regards,
A.

Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 15, 08:47 AM 2018
Hi,

Off they go again with a purportedly NEW system:

"RAT Betting!"

Quote

Powerful New Betting System Shifts Advantage to the Players!

Gain a 30 to 1 Edge Over the House Every Time You Play!

RAT Betting Overwhelms the Casinos with “Rack and Track Betting!”

However, it is simply another well known Silverthorne oldie AKA: "THE POWER V FORMULA"

You might be able to read it or download the pdf - google: power v formula

Take care and don't get fooled,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 17, 04:03 AM 2018
Today they released something a little DIFFERENT to casino table games systems!!!

"Bitcoin Profit Trader" by Roger Ford

bitcoinprofittrader

Also a video on the gambler's bookcase channel...

Quote
We Made $1,469,666 Trading

Bitcoin Using this Technique!

You Can Do Just as Well or Even Better with
the Bitcoin Profit Trader!

It Doesn’t Matter If You Don’t Know a Thing About Bitcoins! We Have Developed a Turnkey System That Pulls in High Profits Off Bitcoin Whether Its Price Is Moving Up or Down!

The warning signs are all there - same person "Russell Hunter" doing the video narration; same price: £99 ; same long sales page...

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 22, 03:56 AM 2018
Silverthorne today released a NEW strategy page + video on the gambler's bookcase channel:

"RENO ROULETTE"

Quote
Seven College Students Won $96,000 in a Few Days Using this System! The Casino Couldn't Stop Them!

“Reno Roulette is Without Equal.  In fact, Reno Roulette Is So Powerful and So Consistent That There is Not a Roulette Game in the World That Can Stand Up to It!”

Reno Roulette never loses.  This is not just an opinion. It is fact! Tested for 5,660 games entailing 138,387 roulette spins this strategy never lost.  Not even one time!

Perhaps the most amazing aspect of this truly incredible system is that Reno Roulette is based on the same mathematical proportions found in the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt!

Even though it is based on mathematical principles over 4,500 years old, this is the perfect strategy for beating every version of roulette offered today.

If you don’t make a substantial profit (at least $10,000 in profits in the first month is a reasonable goal) I will cheerfully refund your money!

Phew! We can all retire and get rich then!!!!

But that deja vu moment strikes again!  It isn't new at all - it is in fact their previously released:

"KNOCKOUT ROULETTE"

which can be read/downloaded free online at no cost at all if you do a quick search on google...

Quote
“Knock-Out Roulette is Without Equal.  In fact, Knock-Out Roulette Is So Powerful and So Consistent That There is Not a Roulette Game in the World That Can Stand Up to It!”

Perhaps the most amazing aspect of this truly incredible system is that Knock-Out Roulette is based on the same mathematical proportions found in the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt!

Even though it is based on mathematical principles over 4,500 years old, this is the perfect strategy for beating every version of roulette offered today.

If you don’t make a substantial profit (at least $10,000 in profits in the first month is a reasonable goal) I will cheerfully refund your money!

Take care and don't get fooled!

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 05, 02:40 AM 2018
Just recently they re-released:
"SUPER CRAPS"

This one goes back a few years however if you Google 'super craps'  you will find a link to the download page. :)

also:

"Fletcher Formula For Baccarat"

This is the same formula as the one used for the Fletcher Formula for Roulette which is also available to read online. :)

(There's also a Fletcher Formula for Blackjack too!)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 12, 08:25 AM 2018
Today I got an email from them regarding their
SUPER SEVENS ROULETTE
aka
SIZZLING SEVENS ROULETTE

Deja Vu tells me it's not a new system, however - is a pair-based (cheval) system with a maximum of 7 bets.

While researching it I happened to come across another of Russell Hunter's pdf books called:

ROULETTE STRIKE STRATEGY

This is a doublestreet + column betting strategy progression idea.

Seems you can download or read it free if you google: roulette strike strategy pdf

:)

Now I hadn't seen that one before - so it's another one to be added to the pile.

Bet it resurfaces under a new name soon... Watch this space!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Apr 12, 09:04 PM 2018
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 12, 08:25 AM 2018
Today I got an email from them regarding their
SUPER SEVENS ROULETTE
aka
SIZZLING SEVENS ROULETTE

Deja Vu tells me it's not a new system, however - is a pair-based (cheval) system with a maximum of 7 bets.

While researching it I happened to come across another of Russell Hunter's pdf books called:

ROULETTE STRIKE STRATEGY

This is a doublestreet + column betting strategy progression idea.

Seems you can download or read it free if you google: roulette strike strategy pdf

:)

Now I hadn't seen that one before - so it's another one to be added to the pile.

Bet it resurfaces under a new name soon... Watch this space!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.



Just a periodic thank you note that you thoroughly deserve for all your efforts in keeping this thread updated.

Keep up the good work.

:thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 13, 02:30 AM 2018
They have released another system page and demo video for an EC betting system:

"The Multi-Max Bet System"

The youtube video has the headline: Win $5,000 a Day Betting Like a Bookie!
(worth watching for a good laugh!)

Quote
Imagine Beating Roulette, Baccarat, Craps and Even Sic Bo Using a System Based on the Same Principles Bookies Use to Profit From Sports Bets!
Then further imagine that the system automatically showed you where to bet and the exact amount needed to beat the casinos without fail!
The Multi-Max Bet System is the New Scientifically Based System That Is Literally Destroying the Casinos! 
Yet, Even Though It May Be the Most Powerful Winning System Ever Developed It is So Easy to Use That a Child Can Use It!
If You’ve Got $68 You Can Set Up a Stream of Non-Stop Profits Using a Technique That Has the Casino Bosses Quaking in Their Boots!

Now, beware. This is not new. Far from it.

It is the SAME as their already released "The Arbitrage Betting System", "The RTM Strategy" (reversion to mean) and "Monte Carlo Multiplier" system. This you may remember is the one where they bet on BOTH outcomes of a spin eg RED and BLACK together!

(Yet the 'silly billies don't advise the logical appliance of "difference betting")

:)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 21, 03:09 AM 2018
Today I got an email from them advertising:
"POWER VIDEO POKER"

However, it is not a NEW system. Been around for quite some time.

Google: 'power video poker strategy pdf' to get a read or download link

Have fun - take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 27, 01:20 PM 2018
Today they released: CYCLE BET ROULETTE @ $99.97
A new website and a new video uploaded on the Gambler's Bookcase youtube Channel.

Quote
"Cycle Bet Roulette Is An Incredibly
Powerful New Way of Beating Roulette
by Exploiting “Roulette’s Repeating Cycles.”

However it is NOT a new system!

It's the same as the already released:
SUPER QUADS ROULETTE
SHARPSHOOTER ROULETTE

Corner Betting - can be freely read or downloaded if you search on google.

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 02, 04:04 AM 2018
"REISELMAN ROULETTE!" is their latest sales page and video.

However this turns out to be the already known and released old one called:

"DOMINATOR ROULETTE!"

The one where they make bets on a colour + 0.

Search for "dominator roulette strategy" and you can download it free to check out. :) :)

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 10, 04:58 AM 2018
Today they released a new page and video on their gambler's bookcase youtube channel:

THE RENZONI SYSTEM for baccarat

However it seems it is just a re-release of an already existing system... No surprise there then!

They actually give the game away themselves in the sales pitch:

Quote
Go ahead and grab your copy of the Renzoni System Course while there is still time.

Examine the course at your leisure. Try out the strategy in practice mode in any of the selected online casinos I will send you.

Test the strategy any way you like.

This course comes with my complete "No Questions Asked" Guarantee for One Year.

If you don’t win at least $25,000 using the Baccarat Attack Strategy just email me and I’ll send you a complete refund of your purchase price.

Once I receive your email asking for a refund, I will send you your money back. Quickly and courteously.

No other course, method, business opportunity, gambling system, stock trading system or any other kind of money making system comes with a guarantee this strong. That’s because no one else is as confident of your success as I am.

What an absolute comedic disaster and so awfully remiss of them to make such a tell-tale blunder ! :)  :)

Btw, you can easily obtain their baccarat attack strategy pdf for FREE online if you do a google search!

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 07, 03:50 AM 2018
Hi again,

Today they released another new roulette system page and a video on the gamblers bookcase youtube channel called:

"LEIGHS FORMULA XB"

Quote
“Leigh's Formula XB  Roars Through Every Roulette Game Offered Today!  It Is So Powerful That It Has Never Lost a Single Session!  Not One!”

Fifty-Two Years Ago Norman Leigh and 12 employees hit the Casino Municipal in Nice in 1966 and each walked away with a profit the equivalent of around £4,230, shaking the French gaming industry enough that Leigh was banned from every casino in France!

We Discovered That Leigh’s First Winning Run Was Just a Preview of an Even Stronger Winning System. . .

We Uncovered Leigh’s Hidden Roulette Formula XB! â€"  This is the Hidden System He Used to Win His Second Fortune Playing Roulette! 

This Formula Is So Powerful That Anyone Who Knows It Can Turn Roulette Into an Unending Source of All-Cash Profits!


Don't be fooled - as far as I can make out it is just another made up pretend backstory for their "martingale type progression" they've been flogging for yonks.
And, of course it's been released before a few years ago as:

"THE JAGGER FORMULA"

Quote
“The Jagger Formula Roars Through Every Roulette Game Offered Today!  It Is So Powerful That It Has Never Lost a Single Session!  Not One!”

Almost 140 Years Ago an English Engineer Named Joseph Jagger Broke the Bank in Monte Carlo.  Most Accounts Thought That Was the End of The Story.

Then We Discovered That Jagger’s First Winning Run Was Just a Preview of an Even Stronger Winning System. . .

We Uncovered Jagger’s Unpublished Roulette Formula! â€"  The Hidden System He Used to Win His Second Fortune Playing Roulette! 

This Formula Is So Powerful That Anyone Who Knows It Can Turn Roulette Into an Unending Source of All-Cash Profits!

Seems you can download or read the "Jagger Formula" for free anyhow because the silly sausages forgot to delete it -  just do a quick search on google!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jul 07, 09:28 AM 2018
Quote from: atlantis on Jul 07, 03:50 AM 2018
Hi again,

Today they released another new roulette system page and a video on the gamblers bookcase youtube channel called:

"LEIGHS FORMULA XB"


Don't be fooled - as far as I can make out it is just another made up pretend backstory for their "martingale type progression" they've been flogging for yonks.
And, of course it's been released before a few years ago as:

"THE JAGGER FORMULA"

Seems you can download or read the "Jagger Formula" for free anyhow because the silly sausages forgot to delete it -  just do a quick search on google!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.

Believe it or not, the Jagger formula (as published by Martin Silverthorne) was taken very seriously by some gamblers on a British gambling forum several years ago. There were more than 6 pages of intense discussion about this so-called "formula" and what the best staking plan was to accompany the bet selection method.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: ego on Jul 10, 08:46 AM 2018

Does that British gambling forum still exist?

Cheers
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jul 12, 05:20 AM 2018
Quote from: ego on Jul 10, 08:46 AM 2018
Does that British gambling forum still exist?

Cheers

I don't remember the exact name or the web address of that forum.

I think it still exists. It is a big general gambling forum (NOT roulette-specific).

Its URL ends in .co.uk.

Heck, you have posted on so many forums over the last 10 years (with different user names)  that I would not be surprised if you have posted on that forum also.   ;D   ;D

Anyway, you have not really missed anything earth-shattering, given that it was about one of Martin Silverthorne's typical dime-a-dozen strategies.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 22, 04:51 AM 2018
Just a quick update.
New from them is:

"THE OPPENHEIMER STRATEGY"

Quote
Here’s Why the Oppenheimer Strategy Beats the Casinos So Easily â€"

The Oppenheimer Strategy determines where to bet using a “Random Sampling Technique” that tells you exactly where to bet.  It zeros in on where to bet better than any other betting system!

Turns out to be the SAME as their already released "The Multi-Max Betting System", "The Arbitrage Betting System", "The RTM Strategy" and "Monte Carlo Multiplier" system.

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jul 27, 02:58 AM 2018
Today they released:

ROULETTE SYSTEM 442!

However this is the same as:

SIEGEL'S SHOTGUN ROULETTE and

FOURTEEN BET ROULETTE

already released by them and simply masquerading under a new name!

Take care and don't get fooled!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 22, 03:18 AM 2018
Today they released the RB FORMULA for all EC games.


Nothing new - same as previously released FISCHER FORMULA aka


"The Super Fibonacci System" which has been around for ages and is available to read free online!


Take care and don't get fooled!


A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: smallie on Aug 22, 05:35 AM 2018

Hello i am new to the forum. I have never paid for any of these strategies. Like you say you can quite easily download them for free. There is one of them which i think is fairly good. Power Pro Roulette. That system works majority of the time but i never use the progression they suggest. Far too risky
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 31, 09:22 AM 2018
Just released by them is:

THE STEELE STRATEGY - for all EC games.

Quote
It has been the goal of gamblers for the past 200 years to find a way to beat the game of roulette!

Incredibly, a powerful winning system was developed 47 years ago and then lost until I found it in a old folder I had forgotten about in my home library.

Developed by Adam Steele the strategy beat the roulette wheels in Las Vegas 47 years ago. Then two years later, Steele beat roulette in Reno!

Remarkably he retuned three years later and beat the craps game using the same system!

Five years after that he hit the baccarat games for over $3 million dollars in a dramatic three-week run!

Then Steele disappeared. No one else has used his system until now.

Now the system the casino bosses fear the most is back and it is deadlier than ever!


It's another Deja Vu moment!!!!

This is none other than the previously released:

THE FISHER ROULETTE STRATEGY (applied to Craps, SIc Bo and Baccarat)
an 88 yr old strategy by a certain Samuel Fisher (purportedly...)

The sales blurb on the page is EXACTLY the same!

Anyhow you can read it or download it free if you do a search on Google.

He says it never loses. Somehow, I doubt very much that the casino bosses will be quaking in their boots fearing it. :)

Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Sep 01, 07:05 AM 2018
Quote from: smallie on Aug 22, 05:35 AM 2018
Hello i am new to the forum. I have never paid for any of these strategies. Like you say you can quite easily download them for free. There is one of them which i think is fairly good. Power Pro Roulette. That system works majority of the time but i never use the progression they suggest. Far too risky



Actually, some of Martin Silverthorne's bet selection methods are pretty intriguing and worthy of further study.

Where that old fool goofs up in a big way is advocating all sorts of long, multi-phase, negative progressions (to apply to his bet selection methods)  that will almost certainly vaporize your bank roll.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 17, 01:25 PM 2018
The Paradox Progression! The $4,000 a Day System!

"Win Every Time You Play Roulette, Blackjack, Craps or Blackjack! See How the Paradox Progression Wins!"

This new one from them is actually not "new" as such. Simply a rebranding of:

THE STEARN STRATEGY

which is FREE to download off google. :)

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 28, 03:09 AM 2018
Latest from them are:

DRAGON MASTER ROULETTE

This has previously been released as "Switch-Bet Roulette"

and

THE SARNOFF STRATEGY

has previously been released as:

THE POWER V FORMULA

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

The "Power V Formula" can be downloaded free after searching on Google
I cannot find a link to the book for "Switch Bet Roulette".....yet! :)
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 02, 12:32 PM 2018
Today Silverthorne sent out an email ad for:

KNOCKOUT BACCARAT - $99

This is not new either it is aka:

ULTIMATE BACCARAT STRATEGY

which can be downloaded free after a google search.

I see their GAMBLERS BOOKCASE channel on youtube has been shut down now. Reason:

Quote
This account has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices and misleading content or other Terms of Service violations.

However, it does not seem to have stopped them totally... They have simply opened up a new channel on YouTube called: Gamble To Win
and started posting/uploading their vidclips there instead!!!

Take care and don't be fooled by them.
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 06, 12:16 PM 2018
Newest from them advertised is:
STEALTH BET ROULETTE @ $97

Quote
Discover How to Set Up Stealth-Bets and Turn Just $60 Into $25,000 in Just One Day! 


Picture Yourself Easily Making $4,000 to $5,000 a Day Effortlessly, You Can Begin to Appreciate the Power You Will Have as an Stealth-Bet Roulette Player!

Skeptical?  Please read on.  I am going to share with you the number one money-making system in the world today!


Beware - this is an old system written by Greg Fletcher called:

THE FLETCHER FORMULA ROULETTE

Google it - Can be viewed/downloaded for free!!

Take care and don't be fooled by them.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 06, 12:24 PM 2018
Addendum to previous post:
If you can't find the book for FLETCHER FORMULA ROULETTE It also has been released as:
Fletcher's Power Pro Roulette (2015)
Google it - get it free

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 27, 01:18 PM 2018
THE LIVERMORE SYSTEM for Ec bets

This is the same progression method as THE RENZONI SYSTEM or the BACCARAT ATTACK STRATEGY which they have already released (and covered earlier in this topic)

Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 30, 05:17 AM 2018
Today they sent me an email for

THE BURNS SYSTEM for roulette. (purportedly originated by Tommy Burns) $97

This is not new - is same as

TRACKER ROULETTE (purportedly originated by Lex Steiger)

For anyone wanting to view it in its entirety I saw that Tracker Roulette can be downloaded free if you do a search! :)

Take care and don't be fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 03, 10:24 AM 2018
"SYNCH-BET ROULETTE"

This is just a reboot of their:

"VF FORMULA"
and
"STRIKE FORCE GAMBLING"
for all EC games

Take care and don't be fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 07, 03:33 AM 2018
Xmas is coming and so they are at it again!!!

New - "HOT-BET ROULETTE" - $99.97 - new site and a vid on their channel.

Tis nowt new!

Previously has been released from them as:

"THE GUDERIAN PROGRESSION"

Google it and read/download for FREE!!!

Take care and don't get fooled by them.
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 19, 05:13 AM 2018
Another new release from SIlverthorne and Co. popped up in my inbox.

They have a new page and a new video for:
"SPLIT-BET ROULETTE"
Supposedly works on all EC betting games.

I discovered this is the same as their already released:

"BET MASTER STRATEGY"

aka

"SYSTEM 98"

aka

"THE DEVEREUX SYSTEM" !!

Take care and don't get fooled!

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 11, 06:05 AM 2019
SWEEP BET ROULETTE

This "new" strategy from them appear to have been already released as

CROSS BET ROULETTE

and some other name too which I forget... but it an old one and an old idea too: just a bet on the COL and DOZ of the last outcome +with their progression, of course.

Take care and don't get fooled,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 04:18 AM 2019
ULTRA FIBONACCI STRATEGY!

This is the same as

SUPER FIBONACCI STRATEGY

which I believe can be read/downloaded for free after a search on google.

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 21, 03:57 AM 2019
THE ROTHSTEIN SYSTEM
for roulette. System found in the back of an old drawer... blah blah.... originated to a guy named Rothstein.

This is the same as the already existing:

THE FISHER ROULETTE STRATEGY
Same blurb - found in back of an old drawer - different names - attributed to a Samuel Fisher.
This one can be read/downloaded online after a search.

Take care and don't be fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Firefox on Feb 21, 05:39 AM 2019
Well done for identifying. Roulette systems are like conjuring/magic. Old effects get recycled to sell to a new generation of desperate teens and twenty somethings.

A good pointer for all these mathematical systems is that non of them work in the long run. Although some are more dangerous than others. Specifically systems with deep negative progressions which expose large amounts of your own capital to the house's negative edge in an attempt to steam back losses.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 02, 12:38 PM 2019
A new one (so THEY say) from them today:

"POWER 9 PROGRESSION"

This is the same as already released:

"THE PACKER PROGRESSION"

which you can read/download free online :)

Take care and don't be fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 09, 03:51 PM 2019
"New" From Silverthorne and Gamblers Bookcase @$99:

RATIO-BET ROULETTE

Quote
Turn Any Roulette Game Into a Source of Consistent Jackpot Wins!

Turn $15 into $25,000 in Five Hours!

Ratio-Bet Roulette turns the game of roulette upside down!

Ratio Bets Give a Clear Advantage to the Player!

Every Bet Has Five Ways to Win With Only Three Ways to Lose!

In long-term testing, this system had an amazing 94.74% Win Rate!

This has been previously released as

JACKPOT ROULETTE!

It is exactly the same system!

Also:

TRIPLE WIN ROULETTE

It is exactly the same system!

If you want to be bothered to read then you can type in google search box:

triple win roulette pdf

Have a nice day
Take care and don't be fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 23, 03:31 AM 2019
New from Gambler's Bookcase is:
CORNER-BET ROULETTE  @ $99

I've got that strange feeling that I've seen this before... Another "deja vu" moment! :)

Why - it is only EXACTLY the same as their previously released:

SHARPSHOOTER ROULETTE
SUPER QUADS ROULETTE

You can read it online or download it free to try yourself by searching for:

"silverthorne sharpshooter roulette"

Take care and don't be fooled by them.
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 09, 08:21 AM 2019
"COMPLETE-BET ROULETTE" @$99

This is their latest release.

Quote
In 2008, Mike Ashley, English Entrepreneur, won £1.3 million ($1,700,000 US Dollars) with the Roulette Complete Bet!

Now You Can Win as Much as $2,880 in Single Plays Making $5 Bets Using an Ingenious New Version of his Famous "Complete Bet!"

What’s More, Unlike Ashley’s Complete Bet which was Highly Risky, the Improved Complete Bet is a "Safe and Sane Way to Play"

This is same as their

"ROULETTE STRIKE STRATEGY"

Search for: roulette strike strategy pdf
to read or download FREE.

It is a column + DS bet

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Let Me Win on Apr 09, 11:00 AM 2019
Needs a £10,000 bankroll to play at casinos with £25 minimum outside bets  :ooh:
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 18, 04:15 PM 2019
"THE ROMMEL PROGRESSION" @$99.97

is NEW from GamblersBookcase!

Quote
I just got off the phone with Frank S.  He gave his final “okay” to release what may be the most solid gambling system ever created!

Frank is one of the premier winning gamblers in the world.

I thought I had the deal wrapped up to release Frank’s secret winning strategy last week.

Then Frank started getting cold feet.

He put more conditions on the release of his time-proven casino beating system.

I could almost feel Frank crumbling by the day.

He emailed me yesterday morning and told me he had changed his mind about releasing his strategy.

Finally, at 11:30 last night, Frank agreed to a limited release of his remarkable winning system.

This is the remarkable strategy patterned after Erwin Rommel, the Desert Fox’s, extraordinary campaign in North Africa in World War 11 which thwarted the much larger Allied Army.

Rommel’s favorite tactic was the “cut and thrust maneuver,” which Frank S. adopted to playing roulette. Later he expanded Rommel’s remarkable strategy to the games of craps, baccarat and even blackjack.


BUT - - just wait a minute  - - What is this, I find....???????????/

"THE STEARN STRATEGY"

Quote
I just got off the phone with George Stearn.  He gave his final “okay” to release what may be the most solid gambling system ever created!

George is one of the premier winning gamblers in the world.

I thought I had the deal wrapped up to release George’s secret winning strategy last week.

Then George started getting cold feet.

He put more conditions on the release of his time-proven casino beating system.

I could almost feel George crumbling by the day.

He emailed me yesterday morning and told me he had changed his mind about releasing his strategy.

Finally, at 11:30 last night, George agreed to a limited release of his remarkable winning system.

This Is The Same Strategy George Has Successfully Used For Twenty Years To Beat The Casinos!

They are both THE SAME but with different originators and backstories!
and the testimonials (if at all true) are the same and from the same users on both sites!

How absolutely typical of them!

Anyhow read or download the Stearn Strategy for FREE. Just google it.

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Firefox on Apr 20, 03:55 AM 2019
I had a look at the Stearn/Rommel Strategy. It's quite interesting; combines slow Martingale with Paroli element.

Bottom line is it loses long term, but to read the system pdf, it's presented as a way to make regular income in quite a dishonest fashion.

It limits the loss on Martingale type lines on an even chance type bet.

Eg 5,5,5,10,10,20,20,40,40

A nine step progression capital 155 units.

Chances of losing progression is about 1/10 for an expected loss of 15.5 units

Expected value of win from a progression play is more difficult to work out due to paroli manoeuvres, but I think it is about 13 units.

So 9/10 times post a small win. On the 1/10  time, lose the line.

If anyone is interested, I can do a full analysis on it. The system can be explained in a couple of pages but the ebook is padded out to a massive 130 pages with all kinds of cut and paste waffle about how to play Craps/Roulette  in a detailed way, or advice on tipping, rude dealers, and various casino etiquette recommendations.

Apparently all Silverthorne systems are like this. A few pages of content and massively padded out with 100s pages of generic casino advice  :twisted:

I have to say that the Stearn/Rommel concept, while not winning, is interesting. You could easily post wins for quite a while before you lose a line. But the stoploss is well controlled and all built into the system.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 22, 11:16 AM 2019
Hi Firefox,

Some youtube vids of their system by Arch Stanton

The Stearn Strategy v Baccarat:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=0V64Ofo5tEc

The Stearn Steategy v Blackjack

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9ZA2mQhbQ

Revisiting The Stearn Strategy:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=WiQMXMDMGqc

Stearn v Live Dealer:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=EwlXcBaTeDk


A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Firefox on Apr 22, 11:25 AM 2019
Cheers. I'll take a look!

I analysed the Stearn for 5 5 5 10 10 20 20 40 40  line last night on the back of an envelope.

Against single zero wheel without partage, for each progression, it has an average win expectation of about 11.5 units and a loss expectation of about 13.5  units. So about -2 units expected value of playing progression to a win or loss of the line each time. Loses one time in 11 tries against single zero.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 22, 12:04 PM 2019
Hi Firefox,

Seems like it is simply the ol' "Parlay 31" to me!  1-1-1-2-2-4-4-8-8

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Firefox on Apr 22, 01:00 PM 2019
I'm pretty sure it is, he recommends that line as well. There's no calculation of any probabilities or of any expectations in the pdf.

Just a glib statement that you should win 40 units an hour playing the 5 5 5 series. This is supposed to factor in the times you lose the whole line of 155!

The only time you stand a chance for a while is getting really lucky and win the 6th or 8th bets on the series which carry big profits.

His other main recommendation is playing with a lady friend on different chances each, for twice as much "profit"  :twisted:
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Let Me Win on Apr 22, 01:47 PM 2019
He certainly has a style of writing that suggests he probably has a good book or two in him.

Unfortunately for him he hasn't realised that all his systems have been available to download for free for several years already now as he never put any pay wall on the section of his website where the PDF's are hosted!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Firefox on Apr 22, 02:30 PM 2019
Agree about the style. Definitely got the knack of writing and definitely a ladies man!

He must realise he's writing a load of crap about it winning though and probably knows it's done the rounds before. Part of the big sell I guess.

It's not that it's a bad system. It could be fun like many positive progressions, and the doubling aspect plus stoploss well controlled.

But I wonder just how many unfortunate souls payed $120 for it , thought they could win $40 an hour, and sadly came back down to earth after they'd lost a few hundred.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 24, 11:36 AM 2019
And so another "new" one comes!

THE KARAS SYSTEM

Quote
From 1992 to 1995 Archie Karas, (born Anargyros Nicholas Karabourniotis) American Gambler, Had the Longest Winning Streak in Casino Gambling History!

He Drove to Las Vegas with $50 in December, 1992 and by 1995 Had Won More than $40 Million!

This is far for new!

It is AKA:
The Heisenberg Progression or The Guderian Progression

A 3-street system.

Check online to read or download for free!

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on May 07, 11:59 AM 2019
"CUBE-BET ROULETTE" was released by them on 5th May 2019 @ $99

It is a column bet with up to 2 street bets as well.

Unfortunately is not new!!

Has been released before as:

"DOUBLE CROSS ROULETTE" and covered earlier in the topic.

You can probably search that and download it free.

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.



Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: cali on Jun 05, 05:19 AM 2019
i am new and french sorry if my english is not perfect
i see an video on t bet roulette i want to buy but  before i am research informations because i am afraid it is a fraud. i see here you said  this silverstom it is not a honest guy . here : gamblersbookcase.com/TBetRoulette/
but his system seems very interesting. if i understand i see numbers with a zone T with repetition.
do you have free this system because i do not want to pay 99 euros for that
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Steve on Jun 05, 07:08 PM 2019
Yes that's a scam. But some players are so uneducated and believe what they want to believe, so people still buy.

With all the false beliefs gamblers have, it would be very easy to scam them if you tell them what they want to hear. The truth about beating roulette, and methods that do work, aren't as popular.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jun 06, 04:09 AM 2019
Quote from: cali on Jun 05, 05:19 AM 2019
i am new and french sorry if my english is not perfect
i see an video on t bet roulette i want to buy but  before i am research informations because i am afraid it is a fraud. i see here you said  this silverstom it is not a honest guy . here : gamblersbookcase.com/TBetRoulette/
but his system seems very interesting. if i understand i see numbers with a zone T with repetition.
do you have free this system because i do not want to pay 99 euros for that

Hi cali,

Steve is right.

"T-BET ROULETTE" is their latest advert.

It is not new!

It is just their previously released:

"ROULETTE STRIKE STRATEGY" under another alias.

It is simply a doublestreet + column betting strategy progression idea. (a T-shaped bet)

Seems you can download or read it free if you google: roulette strike strategy pdf
Hope this helps.

Don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 09, 05:42 AM 2019
A new video was recently posted on the "Gamble To Win" youtube channel (SIlverthorne)

"PATTERN MASTER ROULETTE"

This is same as

"BET MASTER STRATEGY"
or even older
"HUNTER ROULETTE" (google to read or download)

I call this one "deja poo" - a feeling I've heard this crap before!  :)

Take care and don't get fooled by them,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 09, 05:58 AM 2019
"KANSAS CITY ROULETTE" is another new video from them.

Webpage states:

====

Revolutionary Roulette System Has Casinos Bosses Petrified! 

Once You Gain the Powerful Edge of Full Player Advantage Roulette Using the Kansas City Roulette Bet No Casino Will Be Safe From You! 

“Even a Person Who Has Never Played Roulette Before Can Win $933 an Hour to Start!"

It Started with a Lone Player Using a System the Casinos Couldn’t Stop!

Now, For the First Time, the Kansas City Roulette Bet Is Being Released to a Few More Players!

$99.97

====

I discovered it is not new - just a progressive colour - doz - col system and has been previously released by them under the name:

"TRIPLE WIN ROULETTE"

Google to read or download the system manual for free.

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Aug 09, 06:12 AM 2019
"THE PELAYO STRATEGY"

This is another recent webpage and vid by them.

Quote

Many gamblers dream of developing the type of edge that’ll help them win millions of dollars from casinos. But few players ever master an advantage play technique â€" let alone earn a fortune through casino games.

Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo is an exception to the norm. The Spaniard recruited family members to help him dominate roulette wheels from Las Vegas to Spain.

The Pelayos used an advantage strategy called wheel bias to crush gambling establishments. They won countless riches before casinos knew what hit them.

Unfortunately for Gonzalo, casinos fought back and began using various tactics to throw the family off.

Were the Pelayos (a.k.a. los Pelayos) able to keep winning? How did they beat casinos in the first place?

If You Can Even Risk $7.50 You Have Enough to Win $50,000 in Just 14 Hours!

In the next few pages I’ll show you how you can get started with just $7.50 and win $50,000 in the easiest and most pleasant way ever created!


This sounds like a load of old erm.. "hokum"...

This is none other than a rebrand of

"TRACKER ROULETTE"

(search terms: "tracker roulette pdf")

Quote

Secretive High Roller Lex Steiger Reveals the Most Powerful System Ever Developed for Roulette!

Tracker Roulette Blows Away Every Roulette Game Offered Today!

“Amazingly, a $30 Bankroll Will Net You $194 an Hour!  And a $150 Bankroll Will Get You a Phenomenal $972 an Hour!”


NOT EVEN A MENTION OF THE PELAYO'S!!!???!!!

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 08, 07:05 AM 2019
Recently released from Silverthorne is their "new" roulette strategy which has its own page and a video on their "Gamble To Win" youtube channel!

Their channel used to be called "Gambler's Bookcase" but that got closed down by youtube!

"THE ARNOLD FORMULA!" $99


Here is some of the advertising blurb:

Quote
The Arnold Formula has never before been released to the public. It relies on a unique betting system that is so powerful that it always results in a win.

It was developed by one man â€" Charles Arnold â€" as his perfected system for beating London’s sport bookies.

Charles Arnold working on his own without using a computer or elaborate bet simulation systems developed the most powerful system ever created for roulette play!

People often forget that some of mankind’s greatest accomplishments were the results of one man, working alone, without the benefit of computers, calculators, research grants, highly paid assistants or any of the other aspects of modern research that are considered essential by today’s standards.

Albert Einstein developed his theory of relativity working by himself.

Thomas Edison was essentially a one-person shop when he developed the incandescent light bulb, as well as the phonograph, motion pictures and a whole slew of devices we take for granted.

Galileo opposed the entire educated world and the almighty church when he proposed the then heretical idea that the earth revolves around the sun.

Even the modern personal computer was born of just a few individuals like Steven Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, Paul Allen and John V. Blackenbaker, working mostly outside of the establishment.

In fact, most of the creations that are of the greatest benefit to all of us, from the flush toilet, manufactured in the 1880s by Thomas Crapper's plumbing company, to the printing press, created by the German goldsmith Johannes Gutenberg, were the brain children of loners who had great moments of inspiration and then turned these visions into practical concepts. 

So, it shouldn’t be a surprise that another individual, Charles Arnold, developed an extraordinary new way of winning at roulette.   

We have just finished testing this strategy and I can say, without any equivocation, that this roulette strategy is one of the most amazing I have ever seen!


All the usual Silverthorne name dropping, inventive backstory and fantasy script!

It's patently not new either - it is simply the same as their previously released:

"THE FISHER STRATEGY"

which you can read or download free after a search.

A guy made an expose of their vids in June here:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=jCLKXTUoxMA


Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Sep 19, 12:58 PM 2019
"TRI-BET ROULETTE" is the latest roulette system from Gamblers Bookcase with its own webpage and video on the Gamble to WIn youtube channel.

Quote
Developed by James Maddox, a Systems Engineer who used Combinatorics Logic to beat roulette, Tri-Bet Roulette Simply Overwhelms Land-based, Electronic and Online Roulette Games!

If you’ve got $50 you have enough to set up Tri-Bet Roulette and easily beat every version of roulette offered today!

Tested and Perfected, Tri-Bet Roulette has a Sky High 99.14% Long-term Win Rate. As one player said, "Casinos don't have a chance against this system!

$99.97

I checked this out and its the SAME as these other systems they have previously advertised:

SIEGEL'S SHOTGUN ROULETTE - 'Bugsy Siegel' mobster storyline
FOURTEEN BET ROULETTE  - Apollo Space engineering theme.

It is simply a 1 corner + 1 split method and a third bet when required.

Take good care and don't get fooled by them,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 03, 01:34 PM 2019
About a week ago they released:

"ROULETTE SYSTEM 29"

Not new! It is the same as their:

"SUPER SEVENS ROULETTE"
a split-bet system.

3 days ago they re-released:

"RENO ROULETTE"

it is in fact their previously released:

"KNOCKOUT ROULETTE"

Another 'oldie' which can be read/downloaded free online if you do a quick search on google...

Take care and don't get fooled by them.
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Patrick999 on Oct 17, 04:12 AM 2019
Thank you so much for helping to keep us safe!! :-)

Are there in fact any systems that actually work???

BR,

Patrick
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 10, 11:55 AM 2019
One of their latest is:

THE THOMAS FORMULA attributed to George Thomas

It's the same as:

THE LARSEN LOCKDOWN STRATEGY atttributed to Kim Larsen
or
THE STEPHANOV SYSTEM attributed to Victor Stephanov

All supposedly based on prime numbers!!

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 03, 09:49 AM 2019
Looks like the're gearing up for Christmas again...!!!
In the last two weeks they have released on their 'Gamble To WIn' youtube channel:

"THE STEYN STRATEGY"

This is same as:
THE HEISENBERG PROGRESSION
or
THE GUDERIAN PROGRESSION

Also they released

"HAMMER BET ROULETTE"

This is same as:
SUPER SQUARES ROULETTE
or
SUPER QUADS ROULETTE
or
SHARPSHOOTER ROULETTE
or
CYCLE BET ROULETTE

Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Dec 04, 08:44 AM 2019
Quote from: cali on Jun 05, 05:19 AM 2019
i am new and french sorry if my english is not perfect
i see an video on t bet roulette i want to buy but  before i am research informations because i am afraid it is a fraud. i see here you said  this silverstom it is not a honest guy . here : gamblersbookcase.com/TBetRoulette/
but his system seems very interesting. if i understand i see numbers with a zone T with repetition.
do you have free this system because i do not want to pay 99 euros for that

Many, maybe all, of Martin Silverthorne's strategies are available on the web for free (as bizarre as it may seem). Just do a Google search and you will get hold of the PDF files -- and, yes, they are all available for free!
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Dec 20, 05:52 AM 2019
Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without another new Roulette system from SIlverthorne and his crew at Gambler's Bookcase!!!

"The Jarecki Roulette Formula"

However this is NOT new - it is a rebrand of their earlier

Fast-Strike Roulette

AKA

Nine-Bet Roulette Strategy

and maybe something else too........  :)

Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 12, 04:46 AM 2020
New from them is:

"BONUS BET ROULETTE"

Looks like they've increased their prices for 2020! Now charging $129.99 instead of the usual $99.99!

ALERT - Newbies beware!

It's a Line (DS) + Column bet selection according to the previous number spun with increasing stakes on a loss... As shown on their video on their youtube Gamble To Win channel.

However, my deja vu sense is telling me it is NOT new after all - it is none other than their previously released:

"ROULETTE STRIKE STRATEGY" and some other alias as well...

That book can be downloaded free after a search.

Be careful and don't get fooled by this lot!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Mar 17, 06:06 AM 2020
NEW - "Reverse-Repeat Roulette".

This is exactly same as:
"Double Cross Roulette" a line and column system.

NEW - "Sharp-Bet Roulette"

This is exactly same as:
"Double Cross Roulette"
"R System Roulette"
"Sector Bet Roulette"
"Roulette Cycle T Betting"
"Fletcher's Power Pro Roulette" or
"Fletcher Formula Roulette" a dozen system.

They charge a price of $129.97 for both of them!

(All their systems have gone up $30 from $99.97)

They can be found free to download online.

Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 02, 02:14 PM 2020
I got a mail from them today advertising:

ADVANTAGE ROULETTE attributed to Pedro Bartelle

Quote

'Bartelle's Advantage Roulette' easily overcomes every version of roulette including American, English and European Roulette!

What’s more, it beats land-based roulette, online roulette and even the electronic roulette games!

And, it is so good, that it has never lost!

Not even one time!



This system is the same as their:

THE THOMAS FORMULA attributed to George Thomas

THE LARSEN LOCKDOWN STRATEGY atttributed to Kim Larsen

or

THE STEPHANOV SYSTEM attributed to Victor Stephanov

All supposedly based on prime numbers!!

Take care and don't get fooled!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 06, 04:17 AM 2020
NEW from Silverthorne is:

"M-BET ROULETTE"  Price: $129.97

Quote
If you like live casino action you are in for the thrill of your life!  You will turn any roulette game (even double-zero wheels) into your personal source of cash!

If you like to travel, you will love M-Bet Roulette.  You can go on cruises and pay for your vacations out of your roulette winnings!

If you have always wanted to visit Paris or London you can do so and pay for the entire cost out of your roulette winnings.

Yeah. Right!

This is another rebrand. It aint new at all!!!

Betting R or B ec's with a multiplier.

My 'deja vu' has kicked in and I find this to be the same as these already released systems:

The Burns System
Slam Betting
The Steiger Strategy
Tracker Roulette

and maybe some other i forget...

Anyhow search for: tracker roulette
You can read the manual online or download it for free  :)

Take care and don't get fooled,

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 20, 05:20 AM 2020
Latest is:
"BENTER ROULETTE FORMULA"

This is same as the previously released:
"SIZZLING SEVENS ROULETTE"
"SUPER SEVENS ROULETTE"

Progressive 'split bet' strategy.

Take care and don't get fooled by them!

A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on May 18, 04:02 AM 2020
"COMBO-BET ROULETTE" is their latest one.

This is the same as their previously released
"DRAGON MASTER ROULETTE"
and also
"SWITCH-BET ROULETTE"

It employs corner bets and dozen betting strategy.

I wonder what they will release next? I find it quite amazing that they haven't yet tried to repackage their TARGET ROULETTE system - remember that one?
Betting on 'hot lines'? Maybe they forgot all about that one! :)

Take care and don't get fooled by them,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Oct 28, 11:55 AM 2020
Turn $128 Into $25,000 in Just Eleven Hours!
We Combined Two of the Most Powerful Roulette Systems Into an Unstoppable System That Blasts Its Way Through Every Roulette Game!

So says Gambler's Bookcase (SIlverthorne) for their latest system released on 28 October:

"RIP-BET Roulette" + bonuses at $127.97

Surprise, Surprise it not new.
This is the same as the previous systems I mentioned:

"COMBO-BET ROULETTE"
"DRAGON MASTER ROULETTE"
and also
"SWITCH-BET ROULETTE"

Maybe they should call it "RIP-OFF Roulette"! :)
Take care and don't get fooled by them,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Ross on Oct 28, 05:10 PM 2020
Enjoy reading your posts about these recycled systems.
Keep on .
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Nov 22, 12:18 PM 2020
Christmas is just around the corner so here they go again...

THE WATTERS PROGRESSION

Quote
Use the Watters Progression
to Turn $30 into $39,665
in Eight Hours!

Lee Watters is successful businessman, stock trader extraordinaire, and a world-class gambler! For the first time he reveals the Amazing Watters Progression!

It goes on and on....and on... and on blah de blah... yadda..yadda etc.etc...

Guess What? Yes you're right! Of course it is----
Another recycled system!!!!
(You knew that - right?)

Tis the same as their previous offerings such as...
M-BET ROULETTE
TRACKER ROULETTE
BURNS SYSTEM
SLAM BETTING
THE STEIGER SYSTEM

and who knows how many others?

Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A
PS. I'm expecting more from them in my inbox before Xmas  :twisted:
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 20, 11:51 AM 2021
Quote
Sixteen-Million Dollar Roulette System Discovered!
In 1923 and 1924 Theodor D won $16million with Cube-Bet Roulette.
You Can Win a Fortune at Roulette Once You Know How to Set up the Unique Cube-Bet!
Players Just Like You are Winning $7,907 Every Day They Play with this Unique Cube-Betting System!

So states the video for their system.
I'd sure love for some of those lucky players to come on here and back this assertion up...

"CUBE BET ROULETTE" (SIlverthorne - Gamble To WIn channel on youtube)

But hang on a minute - I discover this is not a new finding after all. After some 'deja discoveration' I can reveal that this is the same as their already existing:
DOUBLE CROSS ROULETTE and
REVERSE-REPEAT ROULETTE systems

It's a street(s) and column combo using a progression.

It appears someone already posted the secret to operating the DOUBLE CROSS system..
You can view the system's mechanics and tracking free here:
link:s://docplayer.net/143752905-Automatic-bet-tracker.html

Now you can all get rich together!

If you dare even to try it then please consider posting your DAILY BIG WIN results using his method below for the record.

:) :) :)

Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Jan 26, 12:16 PM 2021
New from them is:
"Double Cross Blackjack"

However it is not new at all. This is just the same as previously released:
"MetaBlackjack!"

You can download "MetaBlackjack" pdf manual by Russell Hunter for free if you do a search!  ;D

Take care and don't get fooled by them,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 02, 02:37 PM 2021
On Jan 31 they released:

"THE POWER D-BETTING STRATEGY" for EC games.

Seems to be betting on r/b and o/e at the same time with their bet-sizing martingale-type progression they use quite a lot...

I can't help feeling an odd sense of Deja-vu here. I discover this is the same as their previously released:

"MAGNUM FORCE GAMBLING" (2017)

I can't help feeling an odd sense of Deja-vu here. I discover this is the same as their previously released:

"THE STARK STRATEGY" (2016)

I can't help feeling an odd sense of Deja-vu here. I discover this is the same as their previously released:

"POWER GAMBLING STRATEGY" (2011)


Take care and don't get fooled by them!
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Apr 21, 11:10 AM 2021
Today Martin Silverthorne & co. released a new video and site for:

"THE PERFECT BET!" on their youtube gambletowin channel.

(Their previous channel got closed down)

This is the same as their previously existing systems:

"D F Formula Betting"

or

"T-Betting System"

Take care and don't get fooled.

Regards,
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: Ttake on Jan 14, 01:03 AM 2023
Hi Atlantis
I want to know about a system you posted in thread were you bet dozen or a column
Were one dozen has to be 5 times in 10 or 12 spin and you bet the dozen or column which is second 
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: atlantis on Feb 24, 10:20 PM 2023
Hi,
I believe I replied by Pm to you recently concerning that strategy
Thanks
A.
Title: Re: Deja Vu?
Post by: ramonamarkos on Apr 17, 12:53 PM 2023
I was going to use an "abducted by aliens who gave me the secret formula for beating roulette" line on my new system, but now that I know I'll go on your watchdog list, I'll go find another forum to post it on. :lol: :lol: