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This was one of many of George Cole`s  turns of phrase.   God rest his soul, he was without doubt an exceptional actor and I never failed to laugh many times during every episode of `Minder`

Anyway, some of you will have no doubt (I hope) read some of my previous posts regarding 2 E/C`s and 3 E/C`s.  What I am now playing is any E/C of 2 consecutive to become 3.  I am not treating each E/C separately so it could be 2B    2R   2O    2O   2L   2H  2E   etc. etc.    You do not find it goes many times before a win so use a progression but not an aggresive one.   A typical W/L is like this:     WLLWWWLWLLWWWLLWWWWLWLLW
Good luck.

I thought about going dolphin watching but I couldn`t see the porpoise.

Forgot to mention that you may be betting on 1 or 2 or 3 at same time so adjust stakes accordingly.  Perhaps +1/-1 is as good as any for progression.

A woman office worker says to her male co-worker I bet that I can get the boss to give me the day off.  How are you going to do that.  Just watch and see she replies.  The boss enters and sees her hanging from the ceiling.  Hey, what are you doing to which she replies:   I`m a light bulb.  The boss says that he thinks that she has gone crazy over-working and sends her home.  The male worker gets his hat and coat.  The boss says; and just where are you going exactly, to which he replies:  home, I can`t work in the dark.

I like it - I like it       sang Gerry and the Pacemakers in the 1960`s but it could equally apply to `nice little earner` to-day as this is turning out to be a hit.   No losses.   Have tried it over 9 `sessions` of approx. 90/100 spins each and it performs very well.     Need some testers and feed back pleas :) :) :)e.

everything i have tested using +1 -1 on double ec , high even, red/odd, etc etc using follow trend or against trend seems to work out

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 23, 02:54 PM 2015
This was one of many of George Cole`s  turns of phrase.   God rest his soul, he was without doubt an exceptional actor and I never failed to laugh many times during every episode of `Minder`

Always loved Minder and George Cole, RIP.

Hi Doola and welcome.

As a tribute to George Cole (and to make some dosh for yourself) I urge you to try `nice little earner` method.  It is really easy to play: no vast recording of results:  no massive progression and most of all it works.  I have been playing on-line roulette for years and this is the best that I have found overall.  Many methods are up/down or downright losers.  This does not require a large (BR) bank-roll either so:  win   win

Good luck

Thanks bleep for a nice little system! :)
Keep winning and - "the world is your lobster!"
'Er indoors likes it.
Can you show a little snippet sequence of numbers to demo your mode of play?

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 23, 02:54 PM 2015
This was one of many of George Cole`s  turns of phrase.   God rest his soul, he was without doubt an exceptional actor and I never failed to laugh many times during every episode of `Minder`

Anyway, some of you will have no doubt (I hope) read some of my previous posts regarding 2 E/C`s and 3 E/C`s.  What I am now playing is any E/C of 2 consecutive to become 3.  I am not treating each E/C separately so it could be 2B    2R   2O    2O   2L   2H  2E   etc. etc.    You do not find it goes many times before a win so use a progression but not an aggresive one.   A typical W/L is like this:     WLLWWWLWLLWWWLLWWWWLWLLW
Good luck.

I thought about going dolphin watching but I couldn`t see the porpoise.

Hey Bleep,

How often are you seeing 3 losses in a row?

Thanks! :)

So essentially if theres 2 in a row you bet for 3

Hi,

Away from home just now but will post a sequence of numbers in next couple days.   You can get 3 losses in a row quite often but if you are betting 1 unit that is a loss of 3 units.(Depending what progression if any that you are using it could be more - just adjust stakes accordingly)   Say next out is 2B AND 2H - put 2 units on each.  You may win 1 of these.  Next trigger 2E - put 2 on this.  Lots of wins so easily catch up.  Quite often you will have 3 triggers at the same time - bet all 3.   I used to play each E/C separately but you could get quite a lot of 2`s staying 2`s.  With this you find that you may get say 2B for 6 or more triggers, but in between there will be other triggers becoming 3`s so it does not matter.  That`s what makes this soooooo good.There are lots of different progs. that should work well with this.     By my reckoning at least 2 out of every 3 become 3`s or more.   You can carry on a series after getting a 3 if you wish, I usually just let the series play out.  Hence:  HHHHHHH  I would bet once and win and wait for H`s to end as there are plenty of other triggers coming along all the time, but you can decide - neither way is right or wrong but it is easier for tracking as I just use spin history and if you are having to remember where you are with prog. then it could get complicated.  Or do not bet every trigger - you chose.  It is the core method that is  important. 

Good luck everyone

How long have you been playing this way bleep?

Hi RouletteGhost,

I have been playing this for over 6 months but only on and off.  You know how it is:  you see a new system/method/strategy/MM etc. and you think to yourself this could be the HG so you have to try it.  You spend time testing/back-testing.  Find that it is not the HG but something else catches your eye and off you go again.  Perhaps we should learn from this and stick to what we know/like/and roughly works.

 
Cheers,    Brian         (nice little earner has only `failed` a few times overall but I probably could have pulled it round if I had persevered)

Hi,

Here is a series of numbers:    3 2 19 28 25 14 21 17 33  23  20  33  5  3  23 19    27  17  17 30 7 26  36  31 7  3  22  21  24

3/ 2L lose -1  19/28/25H win +2  25/14/21R win+1 17/33B lose-1  33/23/20H win+2 5/3L lose -1 5  /3/23/R win+2 23/19/27H win +2  17/17L and B -lose 1each

30/7R lose-3  26/36/31H win +4  7/3L andR lose  -1each  22/21/24H win+5    (There were a couple of other triggers but I did not play them as I had already won on them and were letting the chain play out)   This is not a perfect progression as I tend to just put various amounts on but a more disciplined prog. would be better.                E & OE       

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 25, 04:27 PM 2015
Hi,

Here is a series of numbers:    3 2 19 28 25 14 21 17 33  23  20  33  5  3  23 19    27  17  17 30 7 26  36  31 7  3  22  21  24

3/ 2L lose -1  19/28/25H win +2  25/14/21R win+1 17/33B lose-1  33/23/20H win+2 5/3L lose -1 5  /3/23/R win+2 23/19/27H win +2  17/17L and B -lose 1each

30/7R lose-3  26/36/31H win +4  7/3L andR lose  -1each  22/21/24H win+5    (There were a couple of other triggers but I did not play them as I had already won on them and were letting the chain play out)   This is not a perfect progression as I tend to just put various amounts on but a more disciplined prog. would be better.                E & OE     

+1/-1 there?

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 23, 03:24 PM 2015
Forgot to mention that you may be betting on 1 or 2 or 3 at same time so adjust stakes accordingly.  Perhaps +1/-1 is as good as any for progression.

A woman office worker says to her male co-worker I bet that I can get the boss to give me the day off.  How are you going to do that.  Just watch and see she replies.  The boss enters and sees her hanging from the ceiling.  Hey, what are you doing to which she replies:   I`m a light bulb.  The boss says that he thinks that she has gone crazy over-working and sends her home.  The male worker gets his hat and coat.  The boss says; and just where are you going exactly, to which he replies:  home, I can`t work in the dark.

I'll just add this in here instead of at the end. In my decades of attempting rational ways of playing of
betting, one of the earlier methods I bought was called "Mr C craps business program".  It was by
Al Coggins. (Mr C).  In the course of acquiring it over time I managed to speak to him on the phone and
a friend of mine arranged a meeting with him at a casino. It cost me $200  at an early random time when
I wasn't returning systems, and this one seemed a little more than bullshit.

Mr C claimed that he earned his living at craps for years. Paid his bills, etc.

Simply put, you wait for 2 or 3 don't passes. Then you bet pass. Once. If you lose sometimes twice.
1 or two units on the second bet.

He had what he called the "movie test" which comprised of watching a table like you would a movie
to "see if you like what you see" and then decide to play or move on.

This is where the discresion came in. No progression except maybe the 2nd bet after the loss.
If the table isn't good to you, you move on.

Anyway, I have loved this methodology for decades. Last time I tracked it on a craps table I couldn't
even get the 2 don'ts. And watched one monster pass roll go by. The thing that I took away from that
was that it could be time consuming and lead me toward electronic roulette.

I tracked some of this from zumma and figured, what the heck. You shouldn't see too many long
runs. Well you did. And on some level it almost supported what Mr C was saying. At some points
you will see things cluster and you can capitalize on them. The times I saw many runs of 3 or more,
or like that wouldn't let me really do a progression. Sadly.

But maybe if I did a movie test and it looked good, I could settle in that way. The way the method
was meant to be. Without saying or Knowing it, I think that this was the simple logic that Al coggins
had. Simple logic for a simple method.

Which I like.

I'll add one separate thought.

In talking to Mr C asking about if he would wait 2 or 3 don't passes, his
best answer (from the movie test which I kind of presume morphed a little
into trial play) was that he would see if it was a "2 don't or 3 don't table".

Another question involved the 1st and 2nd bet.  You bet 1 unit. If you lose,
you bet 2 units to get it back with a profit.  But not always apparently.
When I asked about this his answer (presumably early in the table) was
"I'll bet 1 unit. If I lose, I bet one more. to see if the table will give it back".

One more had to do with unit size. Usually considering $5 or $25 units. For that
he often seemed to gravitate to the $5 bet.  Where I'm looking for some "income",
where he's living off this. With the speed these signals come, $5 doesn't do it.
We my impression seemed to be that the $5, again, was in more test mode.

He wasn't "all in" ($25 maybe?) till he saw he was in a good cycle. And it does
seem to me that cycles are how it works.

Im intrigued by this

If anyone tests it please post results

Its so simple and very often have 2 bets going at once

I tested briefly and had decent results

I've been intrigued by this for decades.

But between not having a casino environment where I can graze tables
to find the "right one", and getting trapped by analytical thinking of
expecting some kind of HG with win results, rather than accepting an
ebb and flow idea,  I never got it to work.

And to be sure, every time I went for a paper test it would work.  And what
I remember about it is that it kept working. In other words, I was "on" and
if I came in the way I should have I would have cleaned up.
(That is looking for 2-3 don'ts, then a pass.)

Other times I could have looked for the > than 2-3 and same thing.

One thing for sure. The idea has staying power and will haunt you for
the rest of your life.

There was another piece of this.  It involved him seeing "how a table was rolling".
I bought this and went and watched.  Rolled dice on my living room floor. And to just
give some small example there was one time when I KNEW the next roll would be a craps.
I got my wife to show her.

She LESS than cared less).

I rolled the dice and it was a craps.  You can't write it down, but there is a "feel"
to results on any particular night.

So lets talk about the "bleeping" method..

Nice to see Mr. C mentioned here... I have his old Hot Roll Finder.

tested 60 spins and up 16 units

Hi all,

"Bleeping method"    I`ve said it before and i`ll say it again - waiting for this to happen or not happen is just down to luck.  Yes you will win sometimes but is not consistent.  (I`ll get loads of posts saying they are using such and such way and it always wins. Tosh!!)  I am blowing my own trumpet here (for everyones benefit) nice little earner is just what it says and does what it says.  If no one wants to try it or post about it then it is just their hard luck.  Consider this series taken from Wm. Hill live play:     20 17 6 18 34 26 21 31 33 5 16 36 6 5 9 10 24 4 31 13 5 35 4 10 25 3 5 30 17 29 2 24 9 27 22 5 7 5    Waiting for any 2 E/C to become 3 this is how that series pans out:

3B 3L 3E 2R 3H 3O 2B 3R 2L 3E  3L 2R 3E 3B 3O 2L 3B 2L 3R 2L 3B 2E 2R  2O 3R 3L 3O    There were more winners than this but I only play once and let chain play out.  It does not take a rocket scientist to spot that there are not many losers and they are quickly followed by winners so no massive progressions or whatever.  This series is a typical one so you will not get into much trouble.  Give it a try.You won`t win enough for a 350ft. yacht but you will win enough for it to be worthwhile.  I only play this and one other way now as I find them to be pretty consistent. I`m off to USA shortly and have won enough to pay for it. :) :) :)



Good luck,    Brian

@bleep24

Well done  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Have good trip, and I will have a look at this one whilst you fly!  ;)

Well I'm a little surprised that you earned enough to take a trip to the US.  Are you swimming?
More has to be done to protect our boarders.  "House advantage" has to mean more, cause it's
not working. Our "house" isn't protected.

In all seriousness, that would be a tall profit. I don't see it doing that or happening, unless some
progressions and large units are being used that you aren't specifying.

As you know, I am drawn to this approach. But it does get a little cloudy.

I have been playing with looking at 3 in a row. Tracking the wins and losses. I am thinking
that a good approach is to play the last of whichever happened. In other words if you got
a run of only 3, you bet next time for it to only be 3. If it was more than 3, then you bet
for a continuation. Thereby capturing clusters.

I've also been trying to track in in order, over all 3 props. Not sure if that is a good or bad
idea. Tracking them in order no matter which one hit last.  But it seems to have some
benefit.

Thoughts?

Hello Mogul397,

If it  ain`t broken don`t try to fix it (The saying goes)   Everyone is entitled to do their own thing (tweak)  Why this works is because you are playing the 3 E/C`s and you can get whatever sticking at 2`s but because you are playing all 3 look at the example I posted yesterday.  It goes -  2 3 3 3 2 2 3 2 3 and so on so no great losses.  I play every opportunity to take advantage of this fact  (75% of numbers come out in chains) my only deviation being once I have won I stop playing that chain.  I sometimes use +1/-1 or 1,2,4 etc.  This is not as bad as it sounds because quite often there will be 2 or 3 opps. at the same time so if I have lost 1unit 3 times I will place 2units on next opp. if for example there is 2 opps. and sort of keep a running total but do not necessarily try to win back or win more at every spin, just winning overall.

I visted USA last year and previous year for 5 weeks each on my winnings so I must be doing something right.  (Only 2 people at cheapest time of year + car hire - free accommodation) plus I usually `make` about $1000 doing time share presentations for spending money. No I do not own a time share.
Good luck, Brian

interesting

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 11:42 AM 2015
interesting

Bleep,
I'm with you. And you can't argue with success. I don't know why I say to gravitate toward
3 in a row. Because 3 in a row happen. Then, when you keep seeing 2 in a row, you divert back.

I don't know the statistics as you seem to, but one of my arguments here is that the results do
seem to come in streaks. So for 2 EC,s , if you see 2 in a row, then next time you see two, you would bet
for a doublet to happen. And if you see more than 2 in a row, you bet next time for more than 2.

Do I have what you're saying right here, or is it something else?

My next question is that you seem to imply using some kind of progression that is not rigid.
But a little more a matter of feel. And not to clobber the series and get back ahead, but grab
some back a little at a time. Say, after 3 one unit losses, you bet 2 units.  Am I on the right track?

Because I have looked at this line of playing for decades, and never found that sweet spot where I
could do something that I could count on. But you seem to.

Explain, or agree or disagree as you see fit. Thank

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 11:42 AM 2015
interesting

I'm not sure what I'm looking at with these totals. They are very large
numbers for the number of spins. In that sense I would also say "interesting".
Can you describe it?

Cause I've done many runs with all 3 EC.s. I come out a little ahead or behind.
It does seem to even out between ECs and help keep you out of trouble.

What am I missing?

Bleep

Is following streaks the answer?
Progressions?

Or how do you come to pay for trips?

Hi Mogul397,

Yes you are on the right tracks but not regarding 2 E/C`s pattern.   The whole point of the exercise is to get around chains of 2`s.  I have  seen 2R 2R 2R 2R 2R 2Rand more of the same.   This is why we are playing ALL 3 E/C`s at same time when ANY of the E/C`s show as a 2 chain to become a chain of 3.     So - 2B (lose) 3O (win) 2B (lose) 3H (win) 2B (lose) 2R (lose) 3H (win) 3E (win) 2B (lose) 3L (win)    Can you see in this made up example that there were 2B   4 times which would lose but interleaved were other E/C`s which won negating the loss on the 2B.   I only play for a win on 2 becoming 3 and then stop playing that chain.  So - R R R (won) R R R - I could have played on and won another 3 times then lost once.  The reason that I do not play on is because keeping looking it can get a bit complicated  and there are generally plenty of opps. coming along all the time and if you have won on 3 and on 4 then you have to win on 5 or you might as well not have bothered.   The longer the chains the less frequency and I feel that overall doing this will probably work out about even.  But do what you want - it is not set in stone, just my way.  (Mogul - I would suggest that you re-read my posts on `nice little earner` (several times if necessary) to understand how it works but feel free to ask any questions (I think that perhaps English is not you`re first language and that is why I suggest re-reading or is it just my funny way of explaining it!!!   

Morning Bri
Just went over some old spins that are in  rng spins UK bookies, used corals Sandy 8.4.15, using +1/-1 and set a win of £7.00 in 1 hour.
Made the £7.00 in 20 spins, be about 10 minutes. What is your win target



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Morning Nottophammer,

I do not really have a target (just so that I am not disappointed)  Although I am semi-retired you would not believe how busy I am and how much time everything takes up so I usually manage to squeeze in about an hour a day and take what money that produces.  Yes `nice little earner` is just that.  Never had a loss with it:  won between £10 and £40 in an hour, so probably about £30 when I do get to play. 


Cheers and good luck.

OK. 

Well first, English isn't my 2nd language.  As a matter of fact I live in New England and my
whole life I've vasillated between specific problems (my sister was a French major and I almost flunked French to get through high school. I always say that I have enough  problem with one language), and asshole who come around here from other parts of the country and make fun of my "boston accent" or I sound like "Ted Kennedy" (I probably do). And when in college and that happened I told them that "I'm from this area. I don't know anything else. So if you don't like it, go back where you came from".

But I have my share of reading these forums where I can't figure out what the heck people are saying between poor grammar and abreviations.

That said, I also am retired/semi retired. I will be 59 Sept 12th.  Please ask and I will send info about where to send gifts. I live in Franklin Mass.  3 exits down from the new "Plainridge" casino. I can go there in 15 min as easy as to Lowes, next door.  So this concept brings me closer to on the same page. I'd love to shoot down and pick up some units as a pastime. I have the time, and the access.

And I'm also on the same page with you on what you are saying. Thanks for giving me a quick and considerate answer. I appreciate it.

One question. At the beginning of this thread you say, "Anyway, some of you will have no doubt (I hope) read some of my previous posts regarding 2 E/C`s and 3 E/C`s."   And you tell me to read other stuff. Can you tell me where else you posted it?

Second question. I understand your explanation of 2EC in this post. That you play, again and again, for a string of 2EC to become a string of 3 EC, and you don't play for any longer string.  I  get that. But when I practice and look, I don't see any advantage. They even out. (No surprise).  So what, exactly do you state is your advantage?  Just playing the swing of the pendulum?  Suspend play after 1-2 losses?  That's the part I don't get And as I said before yes. You get fooled into thinking that waiting for 2 (or longer) EC, or JUST 2 or 3 EC is what to do. Because you play and see it happen. And as always
it changes back.

Thanks

Hi Mogul397,

Them damned Yanks!!!     Actually I have been to Boston several times and thoroughly enjoyed it.   I have a friend who lives in Binghampton and he does not understand some of our British sayings or ways of saying things.   Sometimes my joking is completely lost on him so apologies for thinking that you may be foreign   -  you are!!!!

Anyway, all of my postings are on this forum.  Look under members and you should be able to find my postings (Bleep24)

As regards 2`s and 3`s chains.   Not quite sure if you mean they even out after hitting/winning on 3 or if you mean 2`s and 3`s overall.
All I can say is I am winning so what`s not to like about that. If you want any more clarification just ask or examples.
A member of my family (in England) was called Robert E. Lee - perhaps I`ve got some American blood in me.(Was he a Confederate?)

Cheers and good luck,   Brian

As far as accents go, I have to mention that I was at my daughters in VT recently and
some people from Alabama (definite southern accent) came and in the flow of the
conversation various whimsical things were being said, and the silent conclusion
came out something like "there's no cure for your accent".  (Everyone else can be cured).
In this country somehow living in a different state can make you foreign.

As to my question, quite simply, is to say/ask if you are just betting just for a 3rd EC after
any two. And are flat winning.

The next question, to separate the issue, would be in the realm of "how much". How long it takes.
Unit size. Any of that.

The thing that I am saying is that it swings back and forth like a pendulum. And to carry the
thought one step further, "Mr C" did some ground work when playing in this direction. I tested it
and that evening out is what I seem to have found. And if you are right, I have bee spinning
my wheels for nothing for decades. And the laws of probability are skewed.

Hi Mogul397,

It is all friendly banter.   I am from the north-east of England (a Geordie as it is known) but I still have a strong Geordie accent despite having moved away 37 years ago.

As to your questions.   I play (usually) 1unit which in my terms is £1.00 (about one and a half $ at current exchange rate)  Yes I play any 2 E/C to become 3 but I do not play on after I have won that 3.    Reason is it can get quite chaotic - there could be 3 different E/C`s at the same time and as I only play Live on-line you only have about 20 seconds to work out what you are about to bet and to place those bets.  I make between 10 and 40 units per about 60 spins (about 1 hour)   depending on what comes out.    Most of the time I use prog. +1/-1 so lose 1unit - next bet 2units - lose   next bet 3units - win   next bet 2units - win  (would have won 2 units with this mini example)   It is not very often that you get 4 losses together so it is easily manageable.  Yes, if you flat bet it will even out because E/C`s are 50/50.chances but in like any roulette system if you use a MM you can win.  There are lots of hits playing 2 to become 3.  I have never lost on a session playing this though sometimes it has not won very much.(One thing I generally do is say you have lost 3 units - next 2 opportunities come out at same time next, I would put 2 units on each.  Both might win or just one, you have to adjust your next bets accordingly. I do not aways play to win say 6units on one bet, I would spread it over several and adjust units to take account of this on subsequent bets just aiming to keep unit sizes low.

Cheers.

Good morning bleep.  ( Know you're 5 hours ahead of me).  My "knowledge" of England
comes from watching Downton Abbey (which I love). I looked up what you said.
It's called "tyneside"? Just saw a thing about Westminster abbey on TV and took note that
Europe has a lot of detail and tradition that doesn't exist in the mind of an American. My wife
is a history teacher, so I get an appreciation.

I like you and appreciate your friendly and helpful discussion and answers. Several things.

1) I don't play online. The table min here is typically $5 at best. So it's a consideration.
Of course nothing ventured, nothing gained (or lost) and if you win at least you have
something to show for it.

2)The +1/-1 is a D'alenbert progression.  I have to crack my head open and think about it's
implications. Used to think in that direction, but found that when the pendulum swung
against me I had a bunch of single wins and left, for example, with losses -1, -2,-3,-4
which equals -10 units. Another one (-5) leaves you -15 and is where you have to work back from.
The labby is there, of course.

3) I looked in my zumma book. Generally. It didn't take long for me to find 4+ losses in a row.
This, of course, was looking at 4 in a row.  I looked back at those previous posts and honestly
it looks (looked) like you were and have been flailing around to notice that how many you waited
(4, or 2....) didn't make any difference, so why not get the action from more betting ops?

So these are bullet points that I see. But the main one ends up being

4) I don't see how you can win 40 units in an hour from 60 spins. When waiting for
2ECs (and then the 3rd) which MAX would give you 20 betting opportunities. In a PERFECT
data set, with all wins. So I just don't see the reality. If you were saying you won 5 units per hour
or something it wouldn't even get my attention.  It all sounds unbelievable.

So I'm still looking for the "comfort level" to grab this by the horns. Between where the
D'alenbert can leave you and the win claims.


If you're up for it, can you post some actual play sessions?

If you do, I certainly will post anything that I see that might be
contrary from what I get. BTW, I have a generator that generates numbers.
Along with zumma. As a data source. (There are always real results, but
I'm just saying.

I'm trying to attach the generator so you can see it. It is good either way, but
I don't know how it will come through.

BTW, hit "F9" on the generator to refresh a new set of data.

I'm looking at a set that I just pulled up from the generator. Can't cut and paste it here, but
as you can see at least you can see the run length for each EC.  Here is what I see.


Black           Red               Odd            Even                Low          high

                                                         W
                                                                                               L (3)
                                        L (5)
                   L(6)
                                                                                               L(6)
                                                                                W
L(5)
                                      L(6)
                                                                                               L(3)
L(3)                                                   L(3)
                                                                                                                  W
                 W                                                           L(5)



Get my picture? It seems it is not uncommon to see this kind of thing.
Can't even maintain some level of normality.

Hi Mogul397,
Thanks for your kind words.  Yes it is called Tyneside.  Home of Newcastle Brown Ale which I love and can be bought in most popular destinations in US.    Are you preparing for thanksgiving:  I have been in US for last 2 Thanksgivings (Turkey dinner etc.)   The shopping was manic.  I think i`ll give that bit a miss this time.

Regards betting opps.   Do not forget that there are 6 E/C`s. so it is not like we are waiting for say 2R  then waiting again for say 2H  Look at your records and you will see sometimes 1 or 2 or 3 at same time this is how there are a lot more opps. per hour.  Yes I do not usually follow on after I have won a chain of 3, but if I did it would create even more opps.   I have just done a quick scan of 60 spins and found 60 x 2`s.
Weird!  I am very busy at the moment but will post a set of numbers in the next few days for you

Regards,  Brian.

Hi Bri and 397
Bri could you win with these, from corals

cor,b. 14.4.15
25
24
2
30
18
26
35
35
33
1
2
20
14
3
28
3
19
26
17
36
33
18
2
19
3
0
24
15
29
34
1
3
36
26
23
13
11

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 06, 09:15 AM 2015
Hi Mogul397,
Thanks for your kind words.  Yes it is called Tyneside.  Home of Newcastle Brown Ale which I love and can be bought in most popular destinations in US.    Are you preparing for thanksgiving:  I have been in US for last 2 Thanksgivings (Turkey dinner etc.)   The shopping was manic.  I think i`ll give that bit a miss this time.

Regards betting opps.   Do not forget that there are 6 E/C`s. so it is not like we are waiting for say 2R  then waiting again for say 2H  Look at your records and you will see sometimes 1 or 2 or 3 at same time this is how there are a lot more opps. per hour.  Yes I do not usually follow on after I have won a chain of 3, but if I did it would create even more opps.   I have just done a quick scan of 60 spins and found 60 x 2`s.
Weird!  I am very busy at the moment but will post a set of numbers in the next few days for you

Regards,  Brian.

Hey Brian,

Thanksgiving will be kind of complicated this year. I expect to have an ankle fusion in October and am supposed to be still for 2 months. My daughter in law has a baby due about on Thanksgiving day.  So there are a lot of wild cards..

If I understand what you say about those results I can't believe it. That 60 results are ALL doublets.
And I will admit that I did my example about backwards calling the 3EC's loss. Lot more wins there.
But there doesn't seem to be any relative consistency.

I'll look forward to seeing some more results.

Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 06, 07:04 PM 2015
Hey Brian,

Thanksgiving will be kind of complicated this year. I expect to have an ankle fusion in October and am supposed to be still for 2 months. My daughter in law has a baby due about on Thanksgiving day.  So there are a lot of wild cards..

If I understand what you say about those results I can't believe it. That 60 results are ALL doublets.
And I will admit that I did my example about backwards calling the 3EC's loss. Lot more wins there.
But there doesn't seem to be any relative consistency.

Ran half of it last night. Didn't look good. I still wonder if playing the last choice is
the BEST choice. In other words, if the last one was a double, play doubles, and
if >2 then play >2.

I'll look forward to seeing some more results.

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 06, 11:33 AM 2015
Hi Bri and 397
Bri could you win with these, from corals

cor,b. 14.4.15
25
24
2
30
18
26
35
35
33
1
2
20
14
3
28
3
19
26
17
36
33
18
2
19
3
0
24
15
29
34
1
3
36
26
23
13
11

Can I suggest that if anyone is going to post results on this that you
format the numbers?  i.e. put in columbs of R/B  O/E   H/L ?

That is all the work.  Then, with columbs of X's you will see your own results.
Of course posting them so we can see them is appreciated.

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 06, 11:33 AM 2015
Hi Bri and 397
Bri could you win with these, from corals

cor,b. 14.4.15
25
24
2
30
18
26
35
35
33
1
2
20
14
3
28
3
19
26
17
36
33
18
2
19
3
0
24
15
29
34
1
3
36
26
23
13
11

I went through about half of it. A lot of doubles.

Hi Mogul397,

Sorry I have not posted any results yet.  It is not a 5 minute job and I have a very busy schedule this week, but I will do so when I am able.

Regards,    Brian

Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 07, 09:07 AM 2015
I went through about half of it. A lot of doubles.

yes Mogul
could not get infront always behind.

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 07, 11:04 AM 2015
Hi Mogul397,

Sorry I have not posted any results yet.  It is not a 5 minute job and I have a very busy schedule this week, but I will do so when I am able.

Regards,    Brian

Hey, thanks for stopping by to check in Brian.  Guess you don't have frivolous holidays like "Labor day".
That was today. Makes calling Sunday a day off look like practice. In face we were talking about how
today was a REAL day off. No compay or meals. Do what you want.  You must take the concept literally
and ACTUALLY WORK on "labor day".


Yes, it takes some time I guess.  Depends on how you want to present it. As you can read I requested that if
people want to know about this they format the numbers they post into EC groups. That is most of the work
anyway and then visually you can see good or bad.

That generator that I posted does that work for you as well. Doesn't keep count of wins, but it
shows you string counts of wins/losses and you can add them up at a glance.

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 07, 01:04 PM 2015
yes Mogul
could not get infront always behind.

Yes. That is my point. So I don't see how bleep is doing it. Of course he is using a progression.
And a profitable, safe, application of that will be the key.

But I think/wonder if not following the trend and sticking to what is trending will help.

Hi Nottophammer,

That was a terrible run of numbers that you posted.  Not  even I could do anything with it.  I did count 36 numbers and I usually play in sessions of about 60 so it may have turned around.  Were you on RNG (playing or just recording) or were you on Live.  I only play Live.  What I do do is look back over previous spins (around 16 maybe) to see what is coming out before I start betting.   I want to see chains of 3/4/5. (this could be the key to why I am winning)  In your posting there was only one chain and that was a four, so I would not have been playing on that table.  I know it is stupid to see what has been out previously, but generally whatever trend you see will continue.  It could be a bias towards black, or a bias towards low numbers etc. I play another system on single numbers and I look to see if these numbers are coming out.  It is amazing but not once in 60 spins will any of these 6 numbers appear and it happens time after time, then in another 60 spins they will appear 20 times.
Cheers.

Bri
Always RNG.
you have given some more info to consider, cheers

Hi Nottophammer,

RNG explains it.  I NEVER play on RNG.  I used to but saw very strange happenings (e.g.   18 x 2 blacks consecutively and    I would be playing for opposite to appear)   I play mostly on Wm. Hill and according to some posts that I have seen on forums Wm. Hill is the worst RNG going.   I was not betting last night but had a look at tables on Live Wm. Hill  -  one table in particular was going like the clappers and I reckon churned out more than 20 wins with about 10 losers in just over 30 spins (this was just for my own satisfaction after looking at your run of numbers: I wanted to see if looking at past results really was the key to this, though I know that a change of dealer can change everything, but I have also seen bias continuing through several dealers.   How it is that lots of blacks/evens/highs etc. doz 1/col.1 can come out is a mystery.  Hitting same number/sector we have all seen and is easy to explain.
Cheers,   
Brian

Hi Guys,

Just been on Wm. Hill casino home page where you can view up to 6 tables together.   5 of them were putting out chains of 3 or more but one table was putting lots of 2`s.  I know it can all change in the blink of an eye, but I would be avoiding that 2`s table like the plague if I had been wanting to play.

Keep this in mind before you start betting (with any system/strategy/method) it will give you an insight into the trend (if there is one)
(e.g.   numbers repeating/chains of any E/C`s etc.)
Regards,     Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 08, 02:46 AM 2015
Hi Nottophammer,

That was a terrible run of numbers that you posted.  Not  even I could do anything with it.  I did count 36 numbers and I usually play in sessions of about 60 so it may have turned around.  Were you on RNG (playing or just recording) or were you on Live.  I only play Live.  What I do do is look back over previous spins (around 16 maybe) to see what is coming out before I start betting.   I want to see chains of 3/4/5. (this could be the key to why I am winning)  In your posting there was only one chain and that was a four, so I would not have been playing on that table.  I know it is stupid to see what has been out previously, but generally whatever trend you see will continue.  It could be a bias towards black, or a bias towards low numbers etc. I play another system on single numbers and I look to see if these numbers are coming out.  It is amazing but not once in 60 spins will any of these 6 numbers appear and it happens time after time, then in another 60 spins they will appear 20 times.
Cheers.

I agree bleep.

If you look back to post 14 and 15 in this thread you will see my explanation of Mr C, which has a similar principle, but he also always encorporated the "movie test".  When you go to a movie you see if you
like it and will stay from the first 10-15 minutes. If you don't like the movie you leave.

Of course the information I have been tossing out has been based on that generator that I posted, but
I've also been looking at zumma here and there.

At Plainridge they have the "wheels" that actually spin the ball mechanically. "Airball"?
And it does it pretty quick.  Maybe I'll shoot down there today for a half hour and see.
I have a bunch of pages of data from there. But none formatted with the EC's. I can
do a trip there in an hour.

What I was looking at in more detail was the idea of playing the last result. But what I was doing
was playing the dominant of the last 3.  So if 2 out of the last 3 was doubles, play for a double,
and if >double for 2 out of 3, play for >2.  Also I was specifically looking and tracking this
on the individual EC.  Red. Black. High   Low. Not the pair. Not sure if this makes any difference,
but it seemed to keep me on track.

What do you think of the airball. It's a real ball.

I just grabbed my book and it turns out that I put R/B on a lot of my
data.

The first page was choppy. Then I noticed that there were some zeros.
I don't like having to factor around them and remember what Brian said about
them.

My 2nd page went well. It was kind of an even distribution..
Still may shoot down today.

So what is the consensus about how to bet?

Hello Mogul397,

I have never played air-ball.  There are enough tables without it and in on-line play no faster than Live.   Not quite sure what you are saying regarding 2`s and 3`s.   Whole point of the way I suggest is that should 2 black come out 8 times consecutively for example it will be interspersed with 3`s of other E/C`s so that you are not faced with a big (losing) progression.   If you are playing/winning by whatever means I will not knock it.   With the vast majority of ideas on this forum I have added my own tweak after finding some flaw in the idea.  Nice little earner is my `rock` system.  My other two are:   betting 0 1 2 3 as singles (total units = 4) 9 times but only after a 0 1 2 or 3 has appeared.  The other is `Gamlett`s` system.   Bet 13 17 19 23 29 31 for 6 times with 1 unit on each, but only (this is different to the way that Gamlett posted it) after I have checked previous spins and see that some of these numbers are coming out.  Note what I said earlier about checking previous spins to get a trend.  I am not saying my way is better than Gamletts overall, but he says bet regardless and that can mean losing 216 (or more/less) before you hopefully hit a massive winning streak, and yes I have seen massive winning streaks with this, but I do not fancy losing 200+ units before I win.
There`s lots to think about.  Best of luck at the casino later.
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 08, 10:22 AM 2015
Hello Mogul397,

I have never played air-ball.  There are enough tables without it and in on-line play no faster than Live.   Not quite sure what you are saying regarding 2`s and 3`s.   Whole point of the way I suggest is that should 2 black come out 8 times consecutively for example it will be interspersed with 3`s of other E/C`s so that you are not faced with a big (losing) progression.   If you are playing/winning by whatever means I will not knock it.   With the vast majority of ideas on this forum I have added my own tweak after finding some flaw in the idea.  Nice little earner is my `rock` system.  My other two are:   betting 0 1 2 3 as singles (total units = 4) 9 times but only after a 0 1 2 or 3 has appeared.  The other is `Gamlett`s` system.   Bet 13 17 19 23 29 31 for 6 times with 1 unit on each, but only (this is different to the way that Gamlett posted it) after I have checked previous spins and see that some of these numbers are coming out.  Note what I said earlier about checking previous spins to get a trend.  I am not saying my way is better than Gamletts overall, but he says bet regardless and that can mean losing 216 (or more/less) before you hopefully hit a massive winning streak, and yes I have seen massive winning streaks with this, but I do not fancy losing 200+ units before I win.
There`s lots to think about.  Best of luck at the casino later.
Brian

Brian,
I'm not sure where you keep getting caught up in the 2 or 3 EC thing.  Let me state some things.

1)  The concept that you use, being to play for a 3rd EC after two is basically the same as any
other way of looking at an EC.  50/50.  Theoretically, no matter where you draw the line, the next
result has a 50/50 chance.  So if you wait for 4 in a row of something, half the time the next
result will be the same. The other half it will be opposite.

2) So embracing this as a strategy is simply to put a wrapper around the thing. You could regress and
just play red or black.  Either or.  Or you could play "last result", which looks for a repeat. And
on and on. In my post in the thread I am presenting that Mr C stuff.  Of course it's craps (still EC. Pass
and don't pass)  And it centers around the idea of looking for two of one kind and playing the other.
That is the same as what you are doing, except the opposite. If you remember, there should be
a 50/50 chance of either happening. So it's just the other side. And my reason for mentioning it
is that it was a very strong example from my past where someone claimed to have success.

That's good. Right?  It's not an attempt to morph in some other thing.  It's just looking at ECs
the same way and showing that someone made a living off it.

3) based on that, you would simply be looking at two different cases. Since you are not
chasing streaks, that just leave two things on the EC. Heads or tails. Either after two
of a kind you get a 3rd. Or you don't (which leaves a doublet.  2 in a row. There is no embedded
magic here..

Does that clarify it? Every response from you seems to carry some confusion about this simple
concept. I though it was self evident in a gambling arena that I didn't have to explain it like
a 3rd grader.  So in a way, I hope we can move past it.

EXCEPT!!!!!!!!

I'm trying to figure out how, on a coin flip, or on a 50/50 chance of something you claim to
be making all these units.  And the claim is pretty big.  I mean a small variant MIGHT be
5 units out of 50-100 spins.  YOU claim some profit that almost looks like you cash in
every spin.  How can that be?

I did stop by the casino today and the results that I got came out fairly even.
"EVEN", if you missed what I said, was results of 3 in a row or more, or just two in a row
and the 3rd spin a change.  That is what is expected.

The "airball" machine, you seem to be saying is no faster than regular.  This thing
fires out a ball on a real spinning roulette wheel of normal size.  Then the result comes in.
And it goes again  The time between spins is roughly 1 minute if that. Once the result is
announces it's a few seconds before the ball gets thrown and a few more "no more bets".

It was funny that you poked at me about English being my 2nd language. But I'm trying
to figure out, on your part, what you don't understand or how you are stuck on basic roulette
stuff and basic averages.

Some of the results (nohammer results included) seemed unusually skewed. And it was becoming
a common occurrence.  Getting blamed on the RNG I guess.  SO I'm still waiting to see one
of your workouts (betting amounts and progression included) to show some of the actual bets,
wins, and profits.

Like I said, my run today went pretty even (dare I say, WHICHEVER side of the coin you were
betting on. Which is the point. The coin only has two sides).

2's and 3's?  Well "3", I guess, is just shorthand for "3 or more".   Greater than 2. Which is
what you play for.  If it doesn't do that then you don't have 3 or more. You're left with the
2 in a row (that was your signal).  And that is a doublet.

Hi Mogul397,
Yes I do follow you and yes every spin on E/C`s are 50/50.  You could play same as last or different to last but I have found with this strategy that you can get quite a lot wrong leading to a big progression, depending which you are playing (GR8 is pretty safe)  Air-ball spins every minute and so does Live and that is why I play Live.  There is no time difference so it is just my preference.
I wait for 2 same to become 3.   If you play same as last and you get RBRBRBRBRB etc. then you are in a hole waiting for RRRRRRRR etc.  Same if you are playing different to last.
If you are playing +1/-1  then even if it works out exactly say 20 wins/20 losses depending how they come out then you lose 20 x 1 but would gain it back +1 on 20 spins. e.g.    -1 stake / next -2 stake +4 win x 20 = +20.   I know that that is simplistic but it gives you the idea why 50/50 is OK. and if you look for the trend it can be much more than 50/50 which is basically what I do.  When I said I win between 10 and 40 units in about 60 spins.  40 would be very exceptional and the norm. is probably between 15-25 units.  I have recorded on paper a session of about 60 spins but I do not have the knowledge to make posting this easy but I will get around to it shortly.
Regards,   Brian     

Hi Mogul397,
I do not at the moment play differential betting but this way can be used on E/C`s.   Cuts down on stakes and losses when a zero hits but you still need winners.  I do not trumpet `nice little earner` as the Holy Grail, but it works for me which is what I care about.  There are probably other systems that work as well but they involve big bank-rolls or mega stakes and sometimes big wipe outs.  I prefer to avoid this sort of play but yes I will not get rich with it unless I want to play for 1 hour per day on 8 different casinos, which I do not.

I am sure that you have your own favourite system just like me but are always looking at others to see if there is something better out there.
Let me know when you find it.
Regards,    Brian

 mogul397
theres plenty of sheets posted by me in winkels holy grail on here,there all RNG UK bookmakers, so you can check for yourself

Hi again Mogul397,

I have not checked against RNG - you know what I think of it.  Why I wait for 2`s is to avoid RBRBRB etc. etc. but I mentioned differential staking because you could both play for it to stay 2 and at the same time for it to become 3.  Just a suggestion - there`s more than one way to skin a cat!

Good luck,     Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 08, 05:53 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397,
Yes I do follow you and yes every spin on E/C`s are 50/50.  You could play same as last or different to last but I have found with this strategy that you can get quite a lot wrong leading to a big progression, depending which you are playing (GR8 is pretty safe)  Air-ball spins every minute and so does Live and that is why I play Live.  There is no time difference so it is just my preference.
I wait for 2 same to become 3.   If you play same as last and you get RBRBRBRBRB etc. then you are in a hole waiting for RRRRRRRR etc.  Same if you are playing different to last.
If you are playing +1/-1  then even if it works out exactly say 20 wins/20 losses depending how they come out then you lose 20 x 1 but would gain it back +1 on 20 spins. e.g.    -1 stake / next -2 stake +4 win x 20 = +20.   I know that that is simplistic but it gives you the idea why 50/50 is OK. and if you look for the trend it can be much more than 50/50 which is basically what I do.  When I said I win between 10 and 40 units in about 60 spins.  40 would be very exceptional and the norm. is probably between 15-25 units.  I have recorded on paper a session of about 60 spins but I do not have the knowledge to make posting this easy but I will get around to it shortly.
Regards,   Brian     

Hi Bleep,

1) Not sure what you mean by "you can get quite a lot wrong leading to
a big progression".

2) The point of the RNG or airball is that they are quicker. I never saw a
real dealer keep up to the speed of those. In face, at Twin Rivers once they had
one dealer and she had do to everything, including collect and stack the crazy
amount of chips. I left to the RNG and came back in like 15 min and there were
4 more spins on the marquis.

3) Not sure what you're saying with the +1/-1.  You say it works out and
resolves with 50/50. You are right. But that doesn't usually happen. And let me
put it a different way for you to think about.  In the collection of even wins and
losses, the wins get swallowed up in the math. So let's pick an example. You
play and you get 10 wins in a row. Then 10 losses. Statistically you are even.
You won 10, 1 unit wins. And you pushed into your progression 10 steps on the loss
(1,2,3,4, etc) and logically are stuck at that drawdown.  As opposed to, say,
losing 5 and winning 5. Still even, but came back to gound zero.

So eventually you get stuck in a bad place.

4) I suppose if you have a reasonable spread or results with that, your
actual wins are 1 unit every other spin.  So it could be 30 units in 60 spins.
My question that I wonder  (and hope) with this kind of play is that
for some reason it keeps you away from the crap I talked about in #3
above and keeps your progression out of trouble. Don't know if you think this.
Or know this.

But remember. Real people usually end up at $5 tables. Not 25 cent or $1.
Or at least to make something worth the time, you've got to so something
to make it work your while. But D'alenbert looss 1-10 brings you down 55 units,
which is $275 at a $5 table. And as I said, it usually leaves you in a bad spot.

Even if you won a bit, you can get left sitting in a bedpan on the 4-5-6 level
hoping to get back. And in a weird way, it's almost like you took a loan, and
are just waiting to get it paid off. The "win" doesn't become so much the nature
of your +1 wins, as it does to dig out of your losses.

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 08, 06:13 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397,
I do not at the moment play differential betting but this way can be used on E/C`s.   Cuts down on stakes and losses when a zero hits but you still need winners.  I do not trumpet `nice little earner` as the Holy Grail, but it works for me which is what I care about.  There are probably other systems that work as well but they involve big bank-rolls or mega stakes and sometimes big wipe outs.  I prefer to avoid this sort of play but yes I will not get rich with it unless I want to play for 1 hour per day on 8 different casinos, which I do not.

I am sure that you have your own favourite system just like me but are always looking at others to see if there is something better out there.
Let me know when you find it.
Regards,    Brian

Yeah, but I never hear you talk about a "losing session", or what that might
even entail.  You sound like you're easily kicking the can down the road.
(Or at $1 unit, you don't care much)

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 08, 06:26 PM 2015
Hi again Mogul397,

I have not checked against RNG - you know what I think of it.  Why I wait for 2`s is to avoid RBRBRB etc. etc. but I mentioned differential staking because you could both play for it to stay 2 and at the same time for it to become 3.  Just a suggestion - there`s more than one way to skin a cat!

Good luck,     Brian

Well I'm disappointed because when I saw this it sounded like you were onto something that was
close to my heart with this.  But the runs I make are so so.  Unless the Dalenbert keeps you out
of trouble. Like I said, you're +1 units win could simply be to pay back the table to dig yourself
out of the negative on that.

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 08, 06:18 PM 2015
mogul397
theres plenty of sheets posted by me in winkels holy grail on here,there all RNG UK bookmakers, so you can check for yourself

Please explain?

Post the link?

What am I looking for?

And how are you testing this, and how are you doing?

Hi Mogul397,
Been very busy these past few days and on top of that the on-line casino that I play at most has changed (I was on auto log in) and it has taken me hours to find my way back and get it going again.   When I said about air-ball being faster than dealer   that only applies in real casinos, not on-line where I play.  Yes you could win 10 then lose 10 in a row - that is the whole idea of betting across all E/C`s because I do not believe that 10 losses in a row will happen (that would be some really bad luck)   Do not forget that I am playing +1/-1  so it will not always work WLWLWL but it  usually works about that so that equates to 50/50   less 1 - plus 2.    Have you seen on this forum in the past few days postings regarding playing E/C chains?   I even get a mention!!    Perhaps you should have a look at them. I am at my holiday home in the countryside now and wi-fi signal is not good but I will reply more fully when I get back home.
Regards and good luck,  Brian

Hi Mogul397,

I never mention a loss because I have never had one playing this.   Could just be down to luck - I do not know.   Just had a look at a series of numbers I had recorded and progression was this.    +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 +2 +1 -2 +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 +2 +1      ==  +18   (15 losers - 20 winners)   which is a typical outcome.  Yes I usually play 1 unit = 1 GB pound so not risking a great amount.   Steady as she goes.  Look at spin history to see if dealer is throwing out loads of singles and doubles (do not play that table) look for chains of 3/4/5 or more and play there. I will not be tweaking this or playing any other version of E/C`s (though I did used to like look for 2B or 2R and play for a 3rd same and stop after 3 losses or a win - very similar to what I am playing now)
Cheers and good luck

 

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 11, 04:25 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397,

I never mention a loss because I have never had one playing this.   Could just be down to luck - I do not know.   Just had a look at a series of numbers I had recorded and progression was this.    +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 +2 +1 -2 +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 +2 +1      ==  +18   (15 losers - 20 winners)   which is a typical outcome.  Yes I usually play 1 unit = 1 GB pound so not risking a great amount.   Steady as she goes.  Look at spin history to see if dealer is throwing out loads of singles and doubles (do not play that table) look for chains of 3/4/5 or more and play there. I will not be tweaking this or playing any other version of E/C`s (though I did used to like look for 2B or 2R and play for a 3rd same and stop after 3 losses or a win - very similar to what I am playing now)
Cheers and good luck

I always think it's interesting when someone plays and shows results all the time of a method that,
logically, should fail at some level. The truth is that you should be able to play a martingale pretty well,
and not bust. The table where I am now has a $3 min (was $5 or $10 when it opened up, but I guess
they smartened up). And a $1500 max.

Thank you for showing me that run. Another thing that I've noticed, from examples in systems that
I've bought (like Silverthorne) is that the examples are always favorable to the system. So you have
to admit that 20 wins and 15 losers is good.  Point made.

I went yesterday and wrote down results. I'm not sure if you are playing multiple EC's at the
same time, or just one. Can you tell me that?

Here are the results from yesterday, formatted to this system.  Can you please run them and/or
comment on them?

From 9/11 (Today is my and my daughter birthday. Happy birthday to us)

Red/black:  B B R B B R R R R R R B 00 B B R R R B B B R B B R R B B R R R R B'R R B B B B R R R B B R 00 R 00 B B R B R B R R R R B B B R R R R B B B B B B R R B R R R R B B B R 0 B B R R R B B B R R B B 00 R B B R

ODD/EVEN O O O E O O E E O O E E O E O O E O E O E E O O E E E E O E O E O O O E E E O O O O E O 00 E 00 E E O O E O E O E O E O E O E O E O E E O E E E O E E E O E E E O O E O O O O O O E E E O E E O E E

HIGH/LOW  L H H H L L H L H H L L 00 L H H L H H H L L L H H L L L L L L L H L H H L L H H L H H H H 00 H 00 L L L L L H L H L L L H L L H L H L L L L L L H L H L L H H L H L L 0 H L L H L H L H H H L L H 00 H L H H

Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 12, 12:32 PM 2015
I always think it's interesting when someone plays and shows results all the time of a method that,
logically, should fail at some level. The truth is that you should be able to play a martingale pretty well,
and not bust. The table where I am now has a $3 min (was $5 or $10 when it opened up, but I guess
they smartened up). And a $1500 max.

Thank you for showing me that run. Another thing that I've noticed, from examples in systems that
I've bought (like Silverthorne) is that the examples are always favorable to the system. So you have
to admit that 20 wins and 15 losers is good.  Point made.

I went yesterday and wrote down results. I'm not sure if you are playing multiple EC's at the
same time, or just one. Can you tell me that?

Here are the results from yesterday, formatted to this system.  Can you please run them and/or
comment on them?

From 9/11 (Today is my and my daughter birthday. Happy birthday to us)

Red/black:  B B R B B R R R R R R B 00 B B R R R B B B R B B R R B B R R R R B'R R B B B B R R R B B R 00 R 00 B B R B R B R R R R B B B R R R R B B B B B B R R B R R R R B B B R 0 B B R R R B B B R R B B 00 R B B R

ODD/EVEN O O O E O O E E O O E E O E O O E O E O E E O O E E E E O E O E O O O E E E O O O O E O 00 E 00 E E O O E O E O E O E O E O E O E O E E O E E E O E E E O E E E O O E O O O O O O E E E O E E O E E

HIGH/LOW  L H H H L L H L H H L L 00 L H H L H H H L L L H H L L L L L L L H L H H L L H H L H H H H 00 H 00 L L L L L H L H L L L H L L H L H L L L L L L H L H L L H H L H L L 0 H L L H L H L H H H L L H 00 H L H

Two things I noticed with this was the occasional strings of chops and also there were never more
than 6 in a row. Longest.

Here are my results from that data

Red/black-1+2+1+1-1-2-3+4-3+4+3-2-3+4
+3+2-1+2+1-1+2+1-1-2-3

+9   +13 max

Odd/even

+1+1+1-1-2-3+4+3+2-1+2-1

+7

High/low

+1-1-2-3-4+5+4-3+4-3-4+5+4
+3+2-1-2-3-4+5-4

-1     8 Max.

not too bad. Glad I stayed with it!!!!

Hi Mogul397.

Yes I play all 3 E/C`s at same time (Betting after a 2 of any of them have come out)  That is the whole point to give diversity to outcomes (adjust stakes - If I have lost say 3 units, if next betting opportunity throws out 2 x 2 then I will bet 2 units on each and hope that both win but if not adjust stakes for next opportunity and so on.   I could not check your results as they were split into R/B - H/L -O/E and I would not know where each chain of 2 had occurred in relation to the other E/C`s - sorry.   Yes wins of 20 and losses of 15 in that example were good but not exceptional and are more or less typical of outcomes.   I look for the trend (the trend is your friend) before commencing to bet so that I hope that I am on the right track, but whilst playing you do need to keep an eye on it, especially if there is a change of dealer.  Not me, but someone else said that roughly 75% of numbers are in chains.  Yes that will include chains of 2 but also 3/4/5/6 etc.   I do not play on after winning on 3rd of the same.  Only reason for this is it gets a bit complicated and wins can wipe out winnings. So if you win on 3, then 4 and lose on 5 you are no better off.   Only when it goes to 5 and above are you winning more and the longer the chain the less frequent and you can be missing other opportunities. Your results and your comment - not too bad.  I agree, keep on playing like that and hopefully not too bad will be your comment every time that you play.  I cannot play at moment as wi-fi connection is up and down and too unreliable if I was in the middle of a series., but text just like this it is OK.  Back home in a few days time and then away again so I have to get some winnings when I can!!!!
Cheers and good luck    (I cannot book my USA trip unless I take a chance that my consultant will OK it and if not my travel insurance will be invalid if anything were to happen healthwise) Mega bucks in USA hospitals costs.  I will know in 2 weeks time but my winnings will not go to waste.

Just reposting it with some punctuation and paragraphs for my own means of reading it.
Cheers.....

Quoted:- Original by bleep24
Yes I play all 3 E/C`s at same time (Betting after a 2 of any of them have come out)

That is the whole point to give diversity to outcomes (adjust stakes) - If I have lost say 3 units,
if next betting opportunity throws out 2 x 2 then I will bet 2 units on each and hope that both
win but if not adjust stakes for next opportunity and so on.

I could not check your results as they were split into R/B - H/L -O/E and I would not know
where each chain of 2 had occurred in relation to the other E/C`s - sorry.

Yes wins of 20 and losses of 15 in that example were good but not exceptional
and are more or less typical of outcomes.

I look for the trend (the trend is your friend) before commencing to bet so that I hope
that I am on the right track, but whilst playing you do need to keep an eye on it,
especially if there is a change of dealer.

Not me, but someone else said that roughly 75% of numbers are in chains.
Yes that will include chains of 2 but also 3/4/5/6 etc.   I do not play on after winning on 3rd of the same.

Only reason for this is it gets a bit complicated and wins can wipe out winnings.
So if you win on 3, then 4 and lose on 5 you are no better off.
Only when it goes to 5 and above are you winning more and the longer the chain the less
frequent and you can be missing other opportunities.

Your results and your comment - not too bad.
I agree, keep on playing like that and hopefully not too bad will be your comment every time
that you play.

I cannot play at moment as wi-fi connection is up and down and too unreliable if I was in the
middle of a series., but text just like this it is OK.

Back home in a few days time and then away again so I have to get some winnings when I can!!!!
Cheers and good luck,(I cannot book my USA trip unless I take a chance that my consultant will OK
it and if not my travel insurance will be invalid if anything were to happen healthwise)

Mega bucks in USA hospitals costs.

I will know in 2 weeks time but my winnings will not go to waste.
End of Quoted

Hi









Hi Chrisbis,

Thanks for doing that.  It looks so much better and easier to read.   Once I get started I tend to get carried away (Do not say that I should be!!!)   Thanks again.   Hope you can win with system after doing all that.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 12, 05:33 PM 2015
Hi









Hi Chrisbis,

Thanks for doing that.  It looks so much better and easier to read.   Once I get started I tend to get carried away (Do not say that I should be!!!)   Thanks again.   Hope you can win with system after doing all that.

Good luck,
Brian

Is English your 2nd language?  Is there a tier to it?
Is "England" English a different tier than US English?

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 12, 03:44 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397.

Yes I play all 3 E/C`s at same time (Betting after a 2 of any of them have come out)  That is the whole point to give diversity to outcomes (adjust stakes - If I have lost say 3 units, if next betting opportunity throws out 2 x 2 then I will bet 2 units on each and hope that both win but if not adjust stakes for next opportunity and so on.   I could not check your results as they were split into R/B - H/L -O/E and I would not know where each chain of 2 had occurred in relation to the other E/C`s - sorry.   Yes wins of 20 and losses of 15 in that example were good but not exceptional and are more or less typical of outcomes.   I look for the trend (the trend is your friend) before commencing to bet so that I hope that I am on the right track, but whilst playing you do need to keep an eye on it, especially if there is a change of dealer.  Not me, but someone else said that roughly 75% of numbers are in chains.  Yes that will include chains of 2 but also 3/4/5/6 etc.   I do not play on after winning on 3rd of the same.  Only reason for this is it gets a bit complicated and wins can wipe out winnings. So if you win on 3, then 4 and lose on 5 you are no better off.   Only when it goes to 5 and above are you winning more and the longer the chain the less frequent and you can be missing other opportunities. Your results and your comment - not too bad.  I agree, keep on playing like that and hopefully not too bad will be your comment every time that you play.  I cannot play at moment as wi-fi connection is up and down and too unreliable if I was in the middle of a series., but text just like this it is OK.  Back home in a few days time and then away again so I have to get some winnings when I can!!!!
Cheers and good luck    (I cannot book my USA trip unless I take a chance that my consultant will OK it and if not my travel insurance will be invalid if anything were to happen healthwise) Mega bucks in USA hospitals costs.  I will know in 2 weeks time but my winnings will not go to waste.

I looked back. And I thin I made a mistake.  Either way, two things trouble me.

1) Playing all 3 seem to greatly complicate things and
2) when zeros come in, how do you handle that?
    a) If the zero is the result (loss) do you just move on?
    b) If it is mid sequence count (like R 00 R) do you count that as
     two in a row?

Looking at my data, it seems like at the beginning there are a lot  of doublets.
Enough to maybe be a problem. I was wondering before maybe it you hit two
doublets, that you wait to see a win. I know you talk about watching and being
careful.

What do you think?

Attached is the correctly formatted data that I sent in excel.

Listed by columb so you can time the trades.

I'm interested in how this works out. And what choices you make

There is a string of doublets in the O/E to choke a horse. And some
on the beginning of H/L too.....

Just take the hit on the Zero.

Of course , for you States side guys, that can be a double whammy.

I used to play this 3 EC game a lot, if fact, I think I will revisit it when I'm on holiday next week.

If you can double, or triple up the bet on each of the chosen EC's, then I would sacrifice, or pay forward
a coin to safeguard the dreaded Green Goblin.

That way, you can protect a little, and possible bonus if you make that coin cover the 4 way number corner
or 0,1,2,3
Great little bet as, esp if Dozen 1 (Dozen A) is hot.

So, my bet would be for instance:-

3 units on Low or High
3 units on Even or Odd
3 units on Red or Black
0.5 units if possible, or 1 unit if not possible, on 4 number corner Zero bet.(0,1,2,3)

Then, go with the flow.
If High is running hot, and you feel confident that Zero will not show for a few spins
(say is just been on the Marquee within last 2-5 spin history), then obviously drop the Goblin cover story.

If, Low is running hot, (trend analysis), then bring the Zero fairy back to the table, and call it
"giving some to the fairies"....in terms of lost revenue.

This game (The 3 EC's), is really all about averaging 2 out of three winning bets.

And of course.................you don't have to bet every spin!  :thumbsup:

Hi Mogul397,

Damn, internet has gone down so I am having to type this again.

I forgot that you will be playing American roulette with 2 zeroes.  I play French roulette when it is appropriate and on that you only lose 50% when a zero hits if you are playing E/C`s and of course just 1 zero.

You ask about the betting getting complicated:  I already mentioned that I do not play on after 3`s to try avoid this.

Geordie is my first language and English my second (I`m having a joke there!!!!)

I cannot look at your spins until I get home.

Chrisbis has posted here a good item (Thanks Chrisbis) - have a read Mogul.

Well it is sunny here now so I am off to play lawn bowls - I`ll see I how I do with that.

Cheers,    Brian              (Hope this posts this time)

Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 13, 02:01 AM 2015
Just take the hit on the Zero.

Of course , for you States side guys, that can be a double whammy.

I used to play this 3 EC game a lot, if fact, I think I will revisit it when I'm on holiday next week.

If you can double, or triple up the bet on each of the chosen EC's, then I would sacrifice, or pay forward
a coin to safeguard the dreaded Green Goblin.

That way, you can protect a little, and possible bonus if you make that coin cover the 4 way number corner
or 0,1,2,3
Great little bet as, esp if Dozen 1 (Dozen A) is hot.

So, my bet would be for instance:-

3 units on Low or High
3 units on Even or Odd
3 units on Red or Black
0.5 units if possible, or 1 unit if not possible, on 4 number corner Zero bet.(0,1,2,3)

Then, go with the flow.
If High is running hot, and you feel confident that Zero will not show for a few spins
(say is just been on the Marquee within last 2-5 spin history), then obviously drop the Goblin cover story.

If, Low is running hot, (trend analysis), then bring the Zero fairy back to the table, and call it
"giving some to the fairies"....in terms of lost revenue.

This game (The 3 EC's), is really all about averaging 2 out of three winning bets.

And of course.................you don't have to bet every spin!  :thumbsup:

I don't even see a method here. It doesn't relate to the discussion.
What do you do, grab a handful of chips and toss them on the table?

Hi mogul397,
Perhaps I am reading it differently to you but what Chrisbis says makes sense with me.      You are being a bit silly saying throw down a handful of chips onto the table but perhaps that is a secret winning formula:   who knows until you test it.The general consensus on placing chips all over the table is a loser.   Some people in England (I do not know about USA) pick their horses by sticking a pin in the list of runners, or just names that they like.   I`ll leave it up to you: me, i`ll play my 3 systems, thanks.

Cheers,    Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 13, 02:29 PM 2015
Hi mogul397,
Perhaps I am reading it differently to you but what Chrisbis says makes sense with me.      You are being a bit silly saying throw down a handful of chips onto the table but perhaps that is a secret winning formula:   who knows until you test it.The general consensus on placing chips all over the table is a loser.   Some people in England (I do not know about USA) pick their horses by sticking a pin in the list of runners, or just names that they like.   I`ll leave it up to you: me, i`ll play my 3 systems, thanks.

Cheers,    Brian

I'm with you. But what I saw was him saying that he plays all 3 ECs at once, and didn't
give any description of it. He sounded more joking like you have been lately.

When you get around to looking at that list I sent you, you will see a lot of doubles.
And I will be interested in hearing what you think of it and how you would handle it.
I didn't grind the thing all the way through, but I made some mistakes initially when
I played the EC's separately and when I combined them all I was getting to a
7 unit bet.

I am going to the casino now. Going to Lowes, the hardware store next door. My wife
wants peace and quiet, so I'll give her some. And later I will give you a better formatted
trip report. Maybe you can give me some feedback by then too.

I forget what the other two methods you use are. I think you mentioned them.
And I think I played with them too. Can you repeat them?

Thanks

Alan

Apologies for being off topic guys........

and yes, there is a system in there........read carefully. (no joke)

and should one put that system in Tandem with your "Nice Little Earner" (as first posted),
then we could have a winner!
I may look deeper into that arrangement.

Thanx for the replies  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 13, 05:10 PM 2015
Apologies for being off topic guys........

and yes, there is a system in there........read carefully. (no joke)

and should one put that system in Tandem with your "Nice Little Earner" (as first posted),
then we could have a winner!
I may look deeper into that arrangement.

Thanx for the replies  :thumbsup:

You've got to be kidding.

Ummmmm

What is so hard to understand?

Is this 6 pages of when a EC is on a streak of 2 bet for a 3rd? On multiple ECs?

Example
26
33
Thats 2 of high so bet high betting for a streak of 3?

If thats it what's so difficult?

At any point any EC is on a streak of 2 bet for a 3rd

26
32

Bet high and bet even. Whats hard here?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 13, 09:02 PM 2015
Ummmmm

What is so hard to understand?

Is this 6 pages of when a EC is on a streak of 2 bet for a 3rd? On multiple ECs?

Example
26
33
Thats 2 of high so bet high betting for a streak of 3?

If thats it what's so difficult?

At any point any EC is on a streak of 2 bet for a 3rd

26
32

Bet high and bet even. Whats hard here?

The difficulty came when chrisbis posted that reply # 76 where the cryptic thing
about literally betting all 3 EC's.  Also, in reply # 81 he apologized for being off topic.

A) It was not an attempt to kick sand in his face. This is a friendly discussion mosly
between 3-4 people and it is not a fist fight.

B) Chrisbis, I apologize if it sounded that way.  And I'd like to hear a clearer explanation
here about what you might add to this thread. I think we all would.

C)  RG, I think it's interesting that you poke your head in here and say something stupid.
If you remember you kicked me out of your "holy grail" site, because it was all a crock of shit,
and when I said that no one was actually using it, and quoted text that you posted stating that
you lost TWICE with it.  Yes, this is 6 pages of discussion about EC's. I can see that you're
no more able to see rationally than when you pulled rank cause I was telling the truth and
your feelings got hurt.  Glad you came out in the open and put your gloves on. I won't
type all the things I'd like to say to you, but I'll let you imagine.

Howz that holy grail method going, anyway? Still losing $200/session? I hope so.

Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 13, 10:30 PM 2015
The difficulty came when chrisbis posted that reply # 76 where the cryptic thing
about literally betting all 3 EC's.  Also, in reply # 81 he apologized for being off topic.

A) It was not an attempt to kick sand in his face. This is a friendly discussion mosly
between 3-4 people and it is not a fist fight.

B) Chrisbis, I apologize if it sounded that way.  And I'd like to hear a clearer explanation
here about what you might add to this thread. I think we all would.

C)  RG, I think it's interesting that you poke your head in here and say something stupid.
If you remember you kicked me out of your "holy grail" site, because it was all a crock of shit,
and when I said that no one was actually using it, and quoted text that you posted stating that
you lost TWICE with it.  Yes, this is 6 pages of discussion about EC's. I can see that you're
no more able to see rationally than when you pulled rank cause I was telling the truth and
your feelings got hurt.  Glad you came out in the open and put your gloves on. I won't
type all the things I'd like to say to you, but I'll let you imagine.

Howz that holy grail method going, anyway? Still losing $200/session? I hope so.

I kicked u out cause you were negative, very negative, while everyone was helping. and u didnt understand anything. No matter how many times its explained you didnt get it even with clear rules.  As seen here. And it isnt my method by the way. 

You were acting brainless so i banned you. Especially because u made multiple threads about the same thing

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 13, 09:02 PM 2015
Ummmmm

What is so hard to understand?

Is this 6 pages of when a EC is on a streak of 2 bet for a 3rd? On multiple ECs?

Example
26
33
Thats 2 of high so bet high betting for a streak of 3?

If thats it what's so difficult?

At any point any EC is on a streak of 2 bet for a 3rd

26
32

Bet high and bet even. Whats hard here?

What's hard here is to know why someone has their own group and a "holy grail"
system, and is out prowling around other forums and topic instead of stuffing cash in
their pockets (Unless those two losses you talked about were only the beginning
of losses, and you're broke)

Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 13, 10:36 PM 2015
What's hard here is to know why someone has their own group and a "holy grail"
system, and is out prowling around other forums and topic instead of stuffing cash in
their pockets (Unless those two losses you talked about were only the beginning
of losses, and you're broke)

He is betting 3 ECs combined with the original post. 2 in a row bet for 3, sometimes youll be betting all 3 ECs. Do you get that?


"And should one put that system in Tandem with your "Nice Little Earner" (as first posted),
then we could have a winner!
I may look deeper into that arrangement."

Whatever. I dont know why i even commented

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 13, 10:33 PM 2015
I kicked u out cause you were negative, very negative, while everyone was helping. and u didnt understand anything. No matter how many times its explained you didnt get it even with clear rules.  As seen here. And it isnt my method by the way. 

You were acting brainless so i banned you. Especially because u made multiple threads about the same thing

Wasn't your method.  I surely understood the "method". And my allegation was that no one was actually using
"the method".  They were posting alterations to, supposedly, an infalable method. And not admitting that they were.
No matter how many times I said I understood the rules, and that people were NOT playing or testing the grail,
no one would admit it.   Convenient way to "be right", when you're holding the gun. Just get rid of the noise.

Not your method, but it was important enough for you to start a forum about it.

So then, if I didn't understand the method, what was it about you, who understood the method, that wasn't
willing to agree that you lost with it? THAT was the straw that broke the camels back. All I did was state
the facts and truth. And then STATE that I was stating the facts and truth.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 13, 10:38 PM 2015

He is betting 3 ECs combined with the original post. 2 in a row bet for 3, sometimes youll be betting all 3 ECs. Do you get that?


"And should one put that system in Tandem with your "Nice Little Earner" (as first posted),
then we could have a winner!
I may look deeper into that arrangement."

Whatever. I dont know why i even commented

I do!! :yawn: :twisted: :question: :wink:

See. Thats where you have proven you dont understand

I lost with it twice. Small losses..

Why? I did not follow lankys rules. I was impatient. It was my fault

Played correctly the trigger wins everytime

You were being so negative and naive while everyone was testing so i banned u. Want to come back?

The method is a big time winner. But it takes a long time for a trigger

I am impatient so im still searching

Hi Mogul397/RouletteGhost,

Now now boys.  I did not know whether to clean my pair of pistols or sharpen my rapiers ready for the duel!!!!   A little light criticism is ok but it should not get too personal.   That is my two-peneth (two cents) worth on the subject.   Only back home for half a day so when I look next week I hope that I am not seeing any more aggravation only positive posts on methods/systems/strategies which is what this forum SHOULD be about.

Bury the hatchet, regards, Brian     (NOT in each other`s Heads!!!)

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 16, 05:08 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397/RouletteGhost,

Now now boys.  I did not know whether to clean my pair of pistols or sharpen my rapiers ready for the duel!!!!   A little light criticism is ok but it should not get too personal.   That is my two-peneth (two cents) worth on the subject.   Only back home for half a day so when I look next week I hope that I am not seeing any more aggravation only positive posts on methods/systems/strategies which is what this forum SHOULD be about.

Bury the hatchet, regards, Brian     (NOT in each other`s Heads!!!)

Sound advice Bleep

Thanks for keeping things on track.

Nice Little Earner has been a Nice Little Post

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 16, 05:08 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397/RouletteGhost,

Now now boys.  I did not know whether to clean my pair of pistols or sharpen my rapiers ready for the duel!!!!   A little light criticism is ok but it should not get too personal.   That is my two-peneth (two cents) worth on the subject.   Only back home for half a day so when I look next week I hope that I am not seeing any more aggravation only positive posts on methods/systems/strategies which is what this forum SHOULD be about.

Bury the hatchet, regards, Brian     (NOT in each other`s Heads!!!)

Well Bleep. No, I'm not swinging hatches. But what I've come up with in testing is
a fairly even spread of 2 and 3+ in a row. As expected. So I'm not sure how you're winning.
I will freely admit that I haven't given the progression the "acid test", but sometimes it
seems like we are really in the black.  Maybe I'm inpatient or expecting too much.

Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 03, 05:30 PM 2015
@bleep24

Well done  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Have good trip, and I will have a look at this one whilst you fly!  ;)

Chris do you give this the green light,or let the dust settle

Hi Mogul397,

You said it all in your reply #93      "a fairly even spread of 2`s and 3+"   and  "sometimes we are really in the black"      What more do you expect?        This is what `nice little earner` is all about and is obviously doing its job if this is what you are finding.   You are at a bit of a disadvantage to me as I play 1 zero roulette and 50% loss on a zero French roulette if possible.    A typical series will be:   2R  2H  3B  3O  3B 2R 3H  2L   2O 2E 3H 3R 2B 2O 3L 3R  3H  etc. etc  (8 losses/8 wins +9)  I have ignored wins after a winning chain of 3 has come out.  Also you could stop playing, bank those winning units, and then start off again later. I find that on average it is more like 2 losses against 3 wins.

Look before you leap onto a table to see if dealer is throwing out a good number of 3+chains, and keep an eye out during your play and especially when a dealer change happens for the trend.  I do not know how a dealer throws mainly 2`s or mainly 3`s, but they do.

Cheers,  Brian     (Just back from 5 days child minding  - thank goodness for some rest!!!)

hope you've not pulled all your hair out

What hair!!   I lost it years ago.  Should have said grand-children.  At least you can leave them with their parents and come back home.

Regards,   Brian

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What hair!!   I lost it years ago.  At least you can leave them with their parents and come back home.

Me too on the hair. ....and absolutely on the hand back! !
😆

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 22, 03:49 AM 2015
Hi Mogul397,

You said it all in your reply #93      "a fairly even spread of 2`s and 3+"   and  "sometimes we are really in the black"      What more do you expect?        This is what `nice little earner` is all about and is obviously doing its job if this is what you are finding.   You are at a bit of a disadvantage to me as I play 1 zero roulette and 50% loss on a zero French roulette if possible.    A typical series will be:   2R  2H  3B  3O  3B 2R 3H  2L   2O 2E 3H 3R 2B 2O 3L 3R  3H  etc. etc  (8 losses/8 wins +9)  I have ignored wins after a winning chain of 3 has come out.  Also you could stop playing, bank those winning units, and then start off again later. I find that on average it is more like 2 losses against 3 wins.

Look before you leap onto a table to see if dealer is throwing out a good number of 3+chains, and keep an eye out during your play and especially when a dealer change happens for the trend.  I do not know how a dealer throws mainly 2`s or mainly 3`s, but they do.

Cheers,  Brian     (Just back from 5 days child minding  - thank goodness for some rest!!!)

Well it's been a while since I looked at this, but I feel like I showed some instances where the
runs were not that good. Please don't cherry pick words or comments out of what I said.
Of  course there are times when you end up "in the black".  That's not the point. You also kind
of end up winning every other bet, being that it is a 50/50 result.  That's not the point.

The point is how hot the heat gets when it doesn't work.  You only have to fall off a building once
to break your legs. OR get killed.

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 22, 03:49 AM 2015
Hi Mogul397,

You said it all in your reply #93      "a fairly even spread of 2`s and 3+"   and  "sometimes we are really in the black"      What more do you expect?        This is what `nice little earner` is all about and is obviously doing its job if this is what you are finding.   You are at a bit of a disadvantage to me as I play 1 zero roulette and 50% loss on a zero French roulette if possible.    A typical series will be:   2R  2H  3B  3O  3B 2R 3H  2L   2O 2E 3H 3R 2B 2O 3L 3R  3H  etc. etc  (8 losses/8 wins +9)  I have ignored wins after a winning chain of 3 has come out.  Also you could stop playing, bank those winning units, and then start off again later. I find that on average it is more like 2 losses against 3 wins.

Look before you leap onto a table to see if dealer is throwing out a good number of 3+chains, and keep an eye out during your play and especially when a dealer change happens for the trend.  I do not know how a dealer throws mainly 2`s or mainly 3`s, but they do.

Cheers,  Brian     (Just back from 5 days child minding  - thank goodness for some rest!!!)

Also saying "a typical series is", is kind of irrelevant. That can be anything. And I get the "movie test" idea.
But the truth is that I don't see what you are saying the way you are saying it. Examples that I gave are
examples.

1) I don't see any unique difference where you watch and see >2 series (if that is what you mean and not
LITERALLY  3's and not '3 or more")

2) Even if I did, I would feel like I saw and let winning opportunities go, and were setting myself up
for loses to come. More conventional gambling logic would be to see some doubles happen, and then
jump in after the losses, to get the wins.

Hi Mogul397,

Waiting for losses could be a good idea, but do you wait for 2 or 3 or 4 or what losses and is this not `gambler`s fallacy` that after 2 losses it most likely will be a win.  Red has shown 18 times so black is due.  No, it is still 50/50.(I do believe in probability)

I have just had a terrible run (so no, not all my series are great) I had 10 x 2 losses consecutively.  I played +1/1 so had a loss at the maximum of about 60/70 units.    I played through it and came out 22 units in front when I stopped playing.  Next bet would have been 5 units.  Approx. 80/90 spins and there were 19 winners and 22 losers so still not too far from 50/50, and this was an untypical series.  I am surprised that I kept playing, but the max. unit size was 13 and as I play 1 unit = 1 GB pound not too bad and I would hope to make any loss (if there was one) up on next series or two.   This is where a different (better?) progression may have helped, but some time ago I was playing 1 2  4 8 16 on this so I would have been right up s++t creek without a paddle if I had still been playing that way.

Even if I had packed in and taken the loss it would be far out weighed by previous winnings.

Nil desperandum!!

Cheers,     Brian

Brian
Have you tried with  Fibo out of curiosity

Hi Nottophammer,

No I have never tried a fibo. with this.    I may have a look at that.   I am a bit lazy and I find that +1/-1 is easy to follow and as I have never had a wipe-out with `nle`I have tended to stick with that, but never say never.   If you look at some of my previous posts I was using +1/-1 with those methods.  Better the devil you know!!!!!!!           I would like to spend a bit time trying differential betting with this, it should work!    Also playing on after winning on a 3 chain.   I could spend all day playing around with `nle` in various ways but as I am just semi-retired there are quite a few calls on my time, not to mention spending time at my static caravan, and grand-children.

How would a Fibo. have worked with 10 consecutive losses.  (see my earlier post)

Cheers,     Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 23, 12:20 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397,

Waiting for losses could be a good idea, but do you wait for 2 or 3 or 4 or what losses and is this not `gambler`s fallacy` that after 2 losses it most likely will be a win.  Red has shown 18 times so black is due.  No, it is still 50/50.(I do believe in probability)

I have just had a terrible run (so no, not all my series are great) I had 10 x 2 losses consecutively.  I played +1/1 so had a loss at the maximum of about 60/70 units.    I played through it and came out 22 units in front when I stopped playing.  Next bet would have been 5 units.  Approx. 80/90 spins and there were 19 winners and 22 losers so still not too far from 50/50, and this was an untypical series.  I am surprised that I kept playing, but the max. unit size was 13 and as I play 1 unit = 1 GB pound not too bad and I would hope to make any loss (if there was one) up on next series or two.   This is where a different (better?) progression may have helped, but some time ago I was playing 1 2  4 8 16 on this so I would have been right up s++t creek without a paddle if I had still been playing that way.

Even if I had packed in and taken the loss it would be far out weighed by previous winnings.

Nil desperandum!!

Cheers,     Brian

Brian, one thing that I like about you is that you are consistent and positive.  Because of that I feel like
I'm going to keep giving this a go.  Somehow it's working for you and I don't see it as a crazy way to
play. It is helpful to at least know that you experience some bad runs. But one question. How did the
bad run end up?  10 consecutive losses?  The next bet would have been more than 5 units.  Am I missing something?

When I say that I see bad runs it can be consecutive, or just simple accumulation of losses. Doesn't matter.
I also had thought of a fib. It's a nice idea in that it is half way between the D'alenbert and the labby. It resolves
with 2 consecutive wins. Appealing.

I have been thinking about a kind of abstract thought.

1) That a lot of the aspect of climbing the loss ladder has to do with it being a one way street. Where
the consecutive stacking nature of more losses leads to bigger bets, and therefore quicker drawdowns.
It is in the nature of how betting methods run that they are always collecting the most recent results and
doing something based on that. Not sure where this leads. But does it have to be in a straight line?

What about a circle?  A layered circle.  For example if you had a series of losses  1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2 say. In a perfect world.
Then you had wins   2,3,2,3,2,3,2,3. That accomplishes the same thing as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. But you never
climb the ladder to higher bets. If the losses were "positional" in some way, where you worked your way around
the circle to attack the losses, the maybe it would help.  Always circling around. Of course there will be times
where the losses don't line up and stack, similar to a normal progression. But you eliminate or chop up those
losing streaks. and eventually sprinkle in wins.

What about what you did with 1,1,1,  2,2,2   3,3,3.... that kind of idea.

Just brainstorming.

Cause I don't see how that (or those) losing streaks don't get deadly that you talk about. How you're
only betting 5 units......

I will say that where I am now the min bet is $3. And the max bet $1500. You could do a lot of damage with those
constraints. If you believed and kept attacking.

Alan

Hi Mogul397,
Thanks for your kind words and also your ideas.   I have stuck with `nle` as it works, though sometimes a bit erratically win wise.

The 5 units that you refer to was not after the ten losses.  After 10 losses bet was 13 units size (not total stake)  The 5 units would have been the next bet when I packed in betting and I had recovered losses and gone back into profit.  I do not always fully record my playing history because I am playing `live` on-line and you only have 20 seconds to think and place bets.  I can see with you that if it is $5 min. then you are staking quite an amount.   Have you never or ever thought about playing on-line?  Obviously no atmosphere unlike real casinos

Some on-line casinos accessible in the UK have minimum stakes of equivalent 1 cent/5 cents/10 cents so if you are trying out some new idea or small BR it does not need to cost very much.
Good luck,     Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 24, 03:02 AM 2015
Hi Mogul397,
Thanks for your kind words and also your ideas.   I have stuck with `nle` as it works, though sometimes a bit erratically win wise.

The 5 units that you refer to was not after the ten losses.  After 10 losses bet was 13 units size (not total stake)  The 5 units would have been the next bet when I packed in betting and I had recovered losses and gone back into profit.  I do not always fully record my playing history because I am playing `live` on-line and you only have 20 seconds to think and place bets.  I can see with you that if it is $5 min. then you are staking quite an amount.   Have you never or ever thought about playing on-line?  Obviously no atmosphere unlike real casinos

Some on-line casinos accessible in the UK have minimum stakes of equivalent 1 cent/5 cents/10 cents so if you are trying out some new idea or small BR it does not need to cost very much.
Good luck,     Brian

Hi Brian,
Several things.

1) I know you've stuck with NLE.  And I don't suggest that you change. But wonder what you mean by being "iratic"
win wise. A session is either won of lost. Unless you mean that you bail a session with a smaller than expected profit.

2)Still don't understand what the 5 units means.  But it tells a story that you would have been up to a 13 unit
bet in the betting series.  One could say, for example, that martingale is a worthwhile method of play. But honestly
even if it were proven a winner somehow with the progression levels needed, I wonder how many people would
ACTUALLY play it. I think that there are methods around that work.  Izak (link:://:.letstalkwinning.com/ (link:://:.letstalkwinning.com/)) has several of them,
but it is difficult to see yourself playing at the levels that bets can get to.

It's an interesting road test to be playing with $1.  $13 doesn't seem like as much.  But at some point you want some
ROI, and you need to make a bet to do that.  To make it worth while.  Otherwise, you might as well just play sim.

3) I haven't played online. I have heard a lot of negative things about it, and just haven't done it. Most/all of my
practice play even in the real casino is paper play. I have practiced online sim. But every person that I've talked to
related to online playing has had a bad experience. That doesn't mean it's my only criteria.

But it makes me wonder if that's what you're doing, then how you could be so pressed for time on this if all you have to
do is sit down at a computer at light speed.

I"ll also add that the "airball" machines that I now have available are a real ball spinning, and also only allow about
20 seconds to make a bet before "no more bets". That is good in the sense that the game moves on. But don't
kid yourself that you have a unique situation when you post here and talk about it.

I am (and have been) in "test" mode.

4) When I feel relatively confident that I can have some kind of shot at winning, then I will play. I will have no
problem playing with necessary money a) to actually get some return for my time and b) because I have the
confidence level that I will achieve something (or at least get back my loss in a reasonable time).

5) But what I continually see is a hodge podge of results from looking at the ">2" series, as it applies to the
D'alenbert.  The order of occurance of (for this example) "doubles"  seems repetitive and consistent enough
to merit playing an opposite Dalenbert.  Where you increase +1 after a win and -1 after a loss, to a certain
pre defined win goal.

Be careful now.  When I think if this my head regresses back to looking for that "+1 unit profit".
If you were playing a normal negative progression, you'd thing nothing of getting stuck deep into a
series trying to dig out.  It also seems so easy to feel like someone is on the other side of the table
intentionally making you have losing streaks and preventing winning ones. That is not the case.

So playing and accepting 1 unit losses for a while will take a very long time to add up to the inevitable
TOTALS that you will achieve by making the Dalenbert losses, actual gains. To win a series.

And if you just have to chop it up into smaller ones then so be it. You will have 2 or 3 shorter winning series.
But the math is much stronger AGAISNT you. WHy not turn it in your favor?

Because as I say, all I see are shit shows that set up from the mish mash of results.

And one last thing. I find the idea of betting on two EC choices at once very bad for
a few reasons.

First, mathematically it is confusing and I don't think it does any good or accomplishes anything.,

Two, I checked the lines that had more that one bet and a large % had them. Like 1/3 to 50%.
Enough to be disruptive.

Hi Mogul397, 
When I said erratic I was referring to the amount won.  eg.   5 units sometimes - 30 units other times. 

The bad `live` experiences that you have heard of are almost certainly where people were playing RNG.  I NEVER DO.

As regards the 5 unit issue.  after 10 losses betting 13 units.(tenth bet)   I am playing +1/-1  This is not actual from that session but imagine that it went:   14 13 12 13 12 11 10 11 10 9 8 9 8 7 8 7 6 5  Now do you see.  I packed in here (in profit)

You might think that I would have plenty of time to play but let me tell that it is just not so. I am semi-retired but work about 30 hours per week.  There are 168 hours in a week.  Deduct off sleeping 56 hours.  work 30 hours  TV 20 hours reading newspapers/magazines and doing crosswords 25 hours  eating/preparing 14 hours shower/shave etc. 7 hours  shopping 7 hours  pub 8 hours.  LEFT 1 hour.  Fit in mowing 2 large lawns/gardening.  DIY  visiting friends/family  holidays I am amazed that I can fit in 1 hour for playing roulette and posting (only this forum) Are you sorry you asked?  Sorry folks, I know that this is not about roulette.  Will answer some of your `others` next post.  (If I have time!!!!)   

Hi Mogul397,
I forgot to allow for 14 hours per week for on-line banking, ordering goods, surfing, reading e-mails and general internet stuff.  Give me back my needed extra 20 hours.

Cheers,       Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 24, 03:13 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397,
I forgot to allow for 14 hours per week for on-line banking, ordering goods, surfing, reading e-mails and general internet stuff.  Give me back my needed extra 20 hours.

Cheers,       Brian

:xd:

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 24, 03:13 PM 2015
Hi Mogul397,
I forgot to allow for 14 hours per week for on-line banking, ordering goods, surfing, reading e-mails and general internet stuff.  Give me back my needed extra 20 hours.

Cheers,       Brian

Even when I was busy, I didn't slice the pie like that.  Much of the stuff that you have in time boxes "just happens".
You box everything in like you are trying to exclude something.

Hi Mogul397,

Yeah it does just happen, but all those` happens` add up to a lot of hours a week.  I could miss out lots of those things but it would be a very dull and boring repetitive life and there are lots of things which I do  that I have not included which sometimes replace those (just like everyone else on this planet)

Anyway, last night I got in about 1 hour of play and won 28 units after returning from the pub for a meal.   My excuse.   (Got a bit of time available as my wife is away visiting my daughter) Just been told that she will not be back till next Thursday so I can indulge one of my other passions - steam locomotives and railways.  Hurrah.

Regards,    Brian 

Quote from: bleep24 on Sep 25, 03:55 AM 2015
Hi Mogul397,

Yeah it does just happen, but all those` happens` add up to a lot of hours a week.  I could miss out lots of those things but it would be a very dull and boring repetitive life and there are lots of things which I do  that I have not included which sometimes replace those (just like everyone else on this planet)

Anyway, last night I got in about 1 hour of play and won 28 units after returning from the pub for a meal.   My excuse.   (Got a bit of time available as my wife is away visiting my daughter) Just been told that she will not be back till next Thursday so I can indulge one of my other passions - steam locomotives and railways.  Hurrah.

Regards,    Brian

I'm still not on board with you being unique as far as time goes.

So when you play you are playing on the computer online?

 :twisted:Think this is going a bit limp bizkit

Hi Nottophammer et al,

Yes I was thinking the same myself and was just about to call a halt to any more posts on this topic.  I will just get on with playing `nle` and winning.

Cheers to all,       Brian       

Good luck BRI
OH yeah, you wont need it, LOL.

Hi Nottophammer,

Is that Lots of Luck - Lots of Love or Laugh out Loud.     hahaha!!!!!!

Brian

All Three!

good luck Blipitty Bleep---continued success

Well we're entering a realm here that systems often get to.

1) A person plays and claims to be winning (And I believe you Brian. Just making first point)
2) Other people graze the forum cause it's the weekend, and all congratulate and chime in.
But no on puts their money where their mouth is.  It sounds like people who are congratulating someone
who won the lottery or did some non repeatable thing and got lucky. But can't repeat it themselves.
"Fist bumps all around".  But aren't they here to learn to win? Why don't they buy a lottery ticket if
someone is handing out the winning numbers?

So having had my say, I will continue to say that I went again today. And I have a whole other set of results.
Over 4 pages with about 30 spins per page.

Now, I find it difficult to process all the results specifically because I do not know what to do with the spots
that have more than one setup for a bet.  What would I bet, how would I handle the result, and what would
that mean for the next bet amount in the sequence.

Other than the rest of the crowd of well wishers, I'd like to specifically learn if I can play it and then play it.
So please don't, as you say,  make this your last post.

I have posted sets of data for you to give feedback on before and you didn't give any. Seems kind of
mysterious.  It's a lot of work to format and type results in.  Also very confusing visually to track each setup/play
with the 3 sets.

So to begin with, how do you handle, mathematically, the occurances of 2-3 bets at a time?

Thanks

Alan

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 25, 04:27 PM 2015
Hi,

Here is a series of numbers:    3 2 19 28 25 14 21 17 33  23  20  33  5  3  23 19    27  17  17 30 7 26  36  31 7  3  22  21  24

3/ 2L lose -1  19/28/25H win +2  25/14/21R win+1 17/33B lose-1  33/23/20H win+2 5/3L lose -1 5  /3/23/R win+2 23/19/27H win +2  17/17L and B -lose 1each

30/7R lose-3  26/36/31H win +4  7/3L andR lose  -1each  22/21/24H win+5    (There were a couple of other triggers but I did not play them as I had already won on them and were letting the chain play out)   This is not a perfect progression as I tend to just put various amounts on but a more disciplined prog. would be better.                E & OE     

What does it mean that (There were a couple of other triggers but I did not play them as I had already won on them and were letting the chain play out)?????

Just ran through the first 2 pages of data. I just tracked results that only had
one betting choice for the +/-1.  And I quickly worked up to a 13 unit bet.

And this is typical.  Is the wheel you play on rigged?

Does anyone have a tracker for this method, I believe that this method has a lot of potential, needs a tracker, without progression. Showing just how much I'm in the red.

Hi Guys,
Been awhile since I have posted (withdrawl symtoms?)  Seems a few people are revisiting past posts and why not as a lot of ins and outs about a system will have come out and also some test results.  We perhaps need to take more note of these pasts posts of systems/ideas etc. as all the hard work should have been done and whether any good or not.

Anyway, the main reason for my post is to confirm that I am still playing `nice little earner` and it is still so.  Yes you do get `adverse` runs (not runs from hell) and I am still making money with it. I thought I would let everyone know this as I hate TV programmes where you do not find out what happened  and a lot of systems/ideas etc. on here `run out of steam`(Everyone has just spotted the HG!!!) and has to give it a try!!

Of course I am still watching current posts but nothing has taken my fancy (too complicated - massive drawdowns/bank-roll etc. etc.) 

Cheers and good luck to all  (Off to USA in 10 days time but not playing any casinos there)
Brian

This is one of the most stable betselection what I saw, so We might want to use it Denzie's MM. We use 30 units BR, Target profit 10 units, doubling the stakes when we -10 units.

I still play this.  I have tried a few other systems but it really does seem to be the luck of the draw whether you win or not - too inconsistent.  Win then lose it all.      Opposite of nice little earner way is to play 2 the same to end.  I also play this and it also does well.   When the ball comes to rest it has to be either R/B H/L or O/E.  so results are evened out more.  Progr ession that I use is +1/-1 and I find that it works well and is easy to keep track of too.   

I still play this.  I have tried a few other systems but it really does seem to be the luck of the draw whether you win or not - too inconsistent.  Win then lose it all.      Opposite of nice little earner way is to play 2 the same to end.  I also play this and it also does well.   When the ball comes to rest it has to be either R/B H/L or O/E.  so results are evened out more.  Progr ession that I use is +1/-1 and I find that it works well and is easy to keep track of too.   

Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 16, 11:16 AM 2016
I still play this.  I have tried a few other systems but it really does seem to be the luck of the draw whether you win or not - too inconsistent.  Win then lose it all.      Opposite of nice little earner way is to play 2 the same to end.  I also play this and it also does well.   When the ball comes to rest it has to be either R/B H/L or O/E.  so results are evened out more.  Progr ession that I use is +1/-1 and I find that it works well and is easy to keep track of too.   

Hey Bleep,

Can you clarify this a bit?

So are you saying that this system works well, while others are more inconsistent?

Also, what is your total win-to-date (units) as well as your largest draw-down?

Thanks!  :thumbsup:

In this betselection ups and downs are very mild. But I have also seen bad sessions when the + 1 / -1 would never have worked out losses. Do you use any stoploss? Sessions from hell, are very rare, but happen and I think it must be used delicate progression, with stoplose

Hi,
I do not use a stop loss.  I keep playing.  No idea how much I have won with this as I do not keep records.  Only interested in winning.  Never had a large drawdown with this - possibly about 50 units though.  I try and play all 3 E/C`s at same time so you tend not to get long losing runs.  If you are losing on R/B you are usually winning on H/L or O/E and vice versa. 

Good luck.

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 24, 05:16 AM 2015
Hi Doola and welcome.

As a tribute to George Cole (and to make some dosh for yourself) I urge you to try `nice little earner` method.  It is really easy to play: no vast recording of results:  no massive progression and most of all it works.  I have been playing on-line roulette for years and this is the best that I have found overall.  Many methods are up/down or downright losers.  This does not require a large (BR) bank-roll either so:  win   win

Good luck

Thanks for the information! I'm excited to hear a veteran of the roulette world say that this is the best method found so far. I'm looking forward to trying it!

Hi all,

Fraid I do not have the HG to reveal but thought I would bring `nice little earner` to possibly a new lot of `forumers`  I am still playing this and it is still winning consistently though it is a bit of a drag and you have to keep your wits about you, but winning is winning.

On a different note I have also played `Gammets` system.  Do not know where thread is located now.  I play 11 13 17 23 29 31 after a trigger but not the way the system says.  I have pretty good success with it and it does not need too much concentration and no recording.

Good luck,
Brian

Hello Bryan

If you have

BB you bet B? Bet for a 2 streak to turn to a 3 streak?

Hi,

Yes that is right.  Any E/C.  could be 1, 2, or 3 at same time.  I only bet each opportunity once.  Even if I win I just let chain play out itself.  eg:    RRRRRRRRR  I will bet lst opportunity because it can get very complex with progression especially if other opportunities pop out in between.  If I am down say 4 units and 3 opportunities come out at same time I will put 2 units on each, but do whatever you like.  I use +1/-1 progression.  In this example you could ignore other opportunities and just play on the Reds or whatever it is.  In this example just playing reds you would win 7 units less 1`unit when chain comes to an end.  There is no definitive right and wrong way.  The whole idea behind `nle`is that different E/C`s come out so that it gives variance.  What we do not want is 2B 2B 2B 2B 2B etc. etc.

Godd luck,
Brian

Hi,

Just my thing but I never play RNG or air-ball and my play is all on Live roulette (on-line)

Regards,
Brian

Life after death     (No this does not want to be in `off topic`)

The `death` to which I am referring is the falling into dis-use of NLE.  All systems/methods fall away.  Some rightly so.   

I am still playing this and it is still a `no loss` method.

I just want to bring it to the attention of newer members who may not have seen it.  (Resurrection?)

I keep on trying the new ways posted but very many fall at the first hurdle which sends me back to `NLE`
Am I blowing my own trumpet?   Yes, but why not when this is a winning system.  What have you got to lose if you only `paper trade`

Good luck,   Bleep24

Thanks Bleep, was wondering from time to time are you still travelling on NLE expenses!?

Hello NextYear,

Yes I am and off to USA for 3 weeks in November.

Nice of you to ask.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 03, 02:43 AM 2016
Life after death     (No this does not want to be in `off topic`)

The `death` to which I am referring is the falling into dis-use of NLE.  All systems/methods fall away.  Some rightly so.   

I am still playing this and it is still a `no loss` method.

I just want to bring it to the attention of newer members who may not have seen it.  (Resurrection?)

I keep on trying the new ways posted but very many fall at the first hurdle which sends me back to `NLE`
Am I blowing my own trumpet?   Yes, but why not when this is a winning system.  What have you got to lose if you only `paper trade`

Good luck,   Bleep24

Hi,  thanks for a good method.

I wonder of the progression, still using +1/-1?  Or have you found out that something else works better?
-Tuddilue

Hi,

Still using +1/-1.   Works fine.  I do vary stake slightly if there are 2 or 3 betting opps. at same time so for instance if I am 1 unit down and 2 opps. come up I will bet 1 unit on each.  If I was 3 units down and 2 opps. came up I would bet 2 units on each so just a slight tweak.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 03, 07:19 AM 2016
Hi,

Still using +1/-1.   Works fine.  I do vary stake slightly if there are 2 or 3 betting opps. at same time so for instance if I am 1 unit down and 2 opps. come up I will bet 1 unit on each.  If I was 3 units down and 2 opps. came up I would bet 2 units on each so just a slight tweak.

Good luck,
Brian

Thanks! Will test the tweak!
-Tuddilue

Brian

Few questions

How often do you play?
Live dealer online or airball?
Overall are you up?

Thanks

Hi RG; Brian,

Regarding the appearance of the "series" and "singles" this topic might help with bet selection and entry point...
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17078.msg157847#msg157847

Regards,
A.

Hi RG,
I only ever play `live` on-line.    Four to five times per week.  I aim for plus 30 units.   I am 1 unit = 1 GB pound.   I have never lost with this way of playing.  2`s becoming 3`s happen continuously.  Just look at any old spin history and you will see that it is so.  One thing I did point out in very original post was that I only play for an E/C of 2 to become 3.  Quite often that 3 will go on to become 4/5/6 or more but I just do the one play of the chain because there will be other E/C opps. coming out all the time and it can get a bit confusing and many more 2`s will become 3`s than go on to become 4/5/6 etc.  Just my style.

Good luck  (I enjoy reading your posts)
Brian

It is a bit of a boring method so playing for about 1 hour is my limit and I usually win 20/30 units.

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 03, 08:15 AM 2016I have never lost with this way of playing.  2`s becoming 3`s

:o

How long you've been playing this ?
What you call a loss ? (A session of an hour for example)

Cheers

Hi all,

I have accounts with 3 casinos.  I have no idea if they would ban you if you win too much or little often so that is the partly the reason that I only play for a restricted amount and a restricted number of times a week.   Perhaps I should open more accounts.   Has anyone ever been banned for winning? You read all the time about being banned by bookies. 

Cheers,
Bleep24

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 03, 08:15 AM 2016
Hi RG,
I only ever play `live` on-line.    Four to five times per week.  I aim for plus 30 units.   I am 1 unit = 1 GB pound.   I have never lost with this way of playing.  2`s becoming 3`s happen continuously.  Just look at any old spin history and you will see that it is so.  One thing I did point out in very original post was that I only play for an E/C of 2 to become 3.  Quite often that 3 will go on to become 4/5/6 or more but I just do the one play of the chain because there will be other E/C opps. coming out all the time and it can get a bit confusing and many more 2`s will become 3`s than go on to become 4/5/6 etc.  Just my style.

Good luck  (I enjoy reading your posts)
Brian

It is a bit of a boring method so playing for about 1 hour is my limit and I usually win 20/30 units.

When I read this I question I have is how much bankroll do you have?
Thanks
-Tuddilue

Hi Denzie,
I have been playing this for over 1 year. I have never had a losing session but some have about broke even.  I would play out any final lost units.  What I mean is, say I have won 18 units but have a loss of 5 units on the current series I will play until I have won those 5 units back to end that series and finish playing.  Highest running loss in a series was 10 units I think but a more typical is being 4/5/6 units down (to win back)

Cheers,
Brian

Now that's impressive. So impressive I can't believe it.  :o

One thing to do here....to the test mobile  :)

Thx Brian , I will give it a try for sure. Much appreciated

Hi,
My bankroll is 40/50 units.   I may have more than that if I have not claimed any winnings, but 40/50 units is all that is needed.  You are only betting 1,2 3 4 5 or 6 units mostly so no massive BR needed.

Brian

about an hour at grosvenor this weekend.
# r b 0 e h l r/b o/e h/l
15 x x x
21 x x x
24 x x x 1L
26 x x x 1W
35 x x x 1W 2L
6 x x x
12 x x x
8 x x x 3W 1W
11 x x x
6 x x x 1W
4 x x x
35 x x x 2L
24 x x x
27 x x x 1W
15 x x x
5 x x x 3W
22 x x x 1L
25 x x x
27 x x x 2W
35 x x x 1L 2W
25 x x x
35 x x x
4 x x x
20 x x x 2W
26 x x x 1W
17 x x x 1L
35 x x x
27 x x x 1W
29 x x x 2W
21 x x x
12 x x x
24 x x x 1L
11 x x x 1L
24 x x x 2W
5 x x x
33 x x x
33 x x x 2W
26 x x x 1W 1W
19 x x x
31 x x x
7 x x x 1W
36 x x x
26 x x x 1L
13 x x x 1L 1L
34 x x x 2L
r b 0 e h


Hi all, just to clear one point from my recent post.  10 units was a stake not a roll up loss.   Typical would be lose 1 + 2 +4 +2 for a roll up loss of 9 units.   If 3 opps. came out I would be staking 3 units on each.  You may win 2 of these and carry 3 loss forward to next opp(s)

Cheers,
Brian

2s to 3s

8)

Hello  RG,

Yes, 2`s of any E/C to become 3.        RR R       BB B      OO  O     EE  E      HH  H      LL  L.  You may be betting 1/2 or 3 opps. at same time.

Good luck,
Brian.                      (Just been on Wm. Hill `Live`          10 2`s  --   7 became 3`s)

Understood

Thanks!

Fun little play for airball

How do you bet on streaks?
For example : RRRRRRRR
Thanks
-Tuddilue

Hi Tuddilue,

I only bet first 2 becoming 3.  Once this has happened I ignore any further in that chain.  Nothing to say that you cannot play on.  It could go to a chain of 4/5/6 or more.  It is just the way I play it for simplicity sake.  Never tried playing on but seen plenty of chains so perhaps will give it a go.  Worst that happens with this is 50% of 2`s do not become 3`s (But that means 50% do and using +1/-1 accommodates this.

Good luck,
Brian

Hi,
I read that approx. 75% of numbers come out in chains.  Yes some chains will be 2 long but there will be plenty of others that are longer.

Cheers,
Brian

Ok i will also try that.

Maybe the whole chain when I played NLE some time..
Thanks
-Tuddilue

I like everything about this bet but I would follow the repeats till the end---I might be over thinking here.

first test was  :thumbsup:

Quote from: denzie on Aug 03, 02:21 PM 2016
first test was  :thumbsup:

Flat or +1 -1

+1/-1

Hi,

Yes. I am as well playing separate +1/-1 for each of the six EC's.

I play slightly different; I ONLY bet for a repeat to occur when there are 5 or less total "series" hits for the side of an EC over a rolling history of 64 spins.

Session just now: +10 in 83 spins. Highest bet on an an EC (R,B,O,E,H or L) was 4u.

Those 83 spins were AFTER the initially collected 64 spins.

:) :)

A.
 

In the original NLE do you play separate +1/-1 for each of the six EC's or is it  +1/-1 over all EC's?

I played +1/-1 over all EC's on every opportunity and went up to 15 unit plus but after an hour I was down 10 units. Maybe I did wrong or?

Thanks
- Tuddilue

Quote from: tuddilue on Aug 03, 03:57 PM 2016
In the original NLE do you play separate +1/-1 for each of the six EC's or is it  +1/-1 over all EC's?

I played +1/-1 over all EC's on every opportunity and went up to 15 unit plus but after an hour I was down 10 units. Maybe I did wrong or?

Thanks
- Tuddilue

Maybe an example is better I played like this:
R
R Bet 1 unit
B lost
B O
B O 2 units on both
R E lost on both
R E Bet 3 units on both...
Should it be like this or separate +1/-1 on R/B and O/E.
Thanks
-Tuddilue

If you would read what was posted you would know the anwser.

Just some posts above your question he posted a example.

He bets +1-1 for the 3 EC's. So not 6. But 3. RB HL OE. Three groups. Also he let streaks end first. Only 1 bet is made if you get two of the same. Then wait again.

This can be perfectly combined with the boffins bet :thumbsup:


R

like reply 151

yes,

i tested a couple hundred live spins on RX got some mixed results, fun to play on a casino night. :thumbsup:



R

Hi Tuddilue,
You are betting on combined E/C`s with one bank +1/-1.       NOT betting E/C`s separately with separate banks.  That is the whole point of this method to avoid 2R 2R 2R 2R etc.       It is to mix up betting so it goes  2B 2R 2H 2R 2O 2O 2E 2B etc. obviously for them to become 3`s.  I do not play on a chain after winning first 2 becoming 3.  Mainly because the longer the chain the less frequent it will happen and when chain comes to an end you lose 1 unit which overall will probably balance out.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: RayManZ on Aug 03, 05:05 PM 2016
If you would read what was posted you would know the anwser.

Just some posts above your question he posted a example.

He bets +1-1 for the 3 EC's. So not 6. But 3. RB HL OE. Three groups. Also he let streaks end first. Only 1 bet is made if you get two of the same. Then wait again.

Thanks RayManZ, yes I thought I did understand it but obviously not.

Ok I think I understand it now. So the 3 EC is separately. I will test again..
-Tuddilue

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 04, 02:05 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,
You are betting on combined E/C`s with one bank +1/-1.       NOT betting E/C`s separately with separate banks.  That is the whole point of this method to avoid 2R 2R 2R 2R etc.       It is to mix up betting so it goes  2B 2R 2H 2R 2O 2O 2E 2B etc. obviously for them to become 3`s.  I do not play on a chain after winning first 2 becoming 3.  Mainly because the longer the chain the less frequent it will happen and when chain comes to an end you lose 1 unit which overall will probably balance out.

Good luck,
Brian

Ok I think I understand more.

I will test it again  :smile:

I think the reply 25 says it all how to play this.

When looking at that chart I also sees why I failed.  As you all said before I played all EC not the 3 EC separately.

So back to testing. Thanks.
-Tuddilue

Hi tuddilue,

I also think I have been overthinking a bit in my cautious adaptation (using a rolling 64 history + separate bank for all 6 EC's... I think my way was slightly problematical in that it was concentrating on under performers returning to mean - trouble is they can go on sleeping as we all know; even when you think they must surely be due! So it ended up missing other EC series that WERE performing well... in addition was way too slow with infrequent bet opps..)

Anyhow today I played a couple of sessions using bleep24's original way using +1/-1 and betting like in nottophammer's chart. It's a lot easier without the hassle of prior tracking like I was doing before...

It seems a surprisingly cool way to play and I quickly won a couple of live online dealer sessions without much trouble either. :)
I agree also with Brian with what he said earlier about the chain betting - I did not play on a chain after winning a series of 2 becoming a series of 3.
There's a lot to like about it.

Regards,
A.

HI Atlantis,

Well done.  It is easy and what`s more it works.    Just been on Wm. Hill`Live` this morning won 23 units in about 1 hour.  2`s becoming 3`s were coming out left, right and centre.  I use +1/-1 but a bit more aggressive prog. would probably see even better returns, though I have not tried any other prog. with this.

Just out of curiosity I looked at spin history of 4 other tables and 2`s becoming 3`s were coming out all the time on all of them too so it does not seem to matter which table you choose.  (I only play `Live spins`)

Good luck,   Brian

Always enjoy reading Atlantis' posts.

Bleep i must say

With the amount of time you have been playing this

And the fact you are UP is very promising

Not a risky play at all. Conservative.

Bleep, Others,

Trying to see whether this is how you play this.

13
34   
2     
5     -1U Loss on even
35   -1U loss on Low
6     -2U Loss on odd
10   +1U win on Black
27   -3U Loss on even. -2U loss on Low
27
30  -4U Loss on odd. +3U win on High. +1U win on Red
1

Hi Priyanka,
Yes that is the way. Some of your unit staking amounts are not quite correct.  It is a +1/-1` staking progression so if I am down 2 units next stake 3 units if 1 opportunity.  2 units each if 2 opportunities.  1 unit each if 3 opportunities at same time. You could be betting say R O L.  If 2 out of 3 win you are down 1 unit: next stake 2 units.  I calculate stake as I go depending how much won/lost.  In last example you could have lost 3/2/1 units or won 3/2/1 units but we are not talking big stakes so 1 or 2 units is neither here nor there.  It is the overall winning.

Good luck,   Brian

Basically you try to win at least 1 unit per spin if there is a bet. No matter on what or how many ec's it is .  Correct?

Quote from: denzie on Aug 04, 02:44 PM 2016
Basically you try to win at least 1 unit per spin if there is a bet. No matter on what or how many ec's it is .  Correct?

Thanks for the right question.

This money management is the part I am struggling with after reading the whole thread.

Pri
how refreshing to see you struggle with something, theres hope for all of us

off topic
but Pri i thought this was going to be good, but i just keep ending minus
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13696.msg117848#msg117848

Hi Denzie,

Yes and no.  Depends on how many E/C`s you are betting on.  Could be 1, 2, or 3.  If you had just started and 3 opps. came up at same time:   3 x 1    If all win you are up 3 units.  if all lose you are down 3 units.  Next stake depends on how many opps. come up.   Say it was 2.  You would bet 2 x 2 so it is a progression but you have to adjust stakes slightly depending on wins/losses but it is no great deal.

Cheers,    Brian

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 04, 10:29 AM 2016
Hi tuddilue,

...
Anyhow today I played a couple of sessions using bleep24's original way using +1/-1 and betting like in nottophammer's chart. It's a lot easier without the hassle of prior tracking like I was doing before...

It seems a surprisingly cool way to play and I quickly won a couple of live online dealer sessions without much trouble either. :)
I agree also with Brian with what he said earlier about the chain betting - I did not play on a chain after winning a series of 2 becoming a series of 3.
There's a lot to like about it.

Regards,
A.

Hi Atlantis,
It's the same for me, I also overthinked it. I tried nottos chart today and it works. I had one session that it went a little bit south. But if I had played as bleep24 is saying in this post all should have gone well:

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 04, 03:40 PM 2016
Hi Denzie,

Yes and no.  Depends on how many E/C`s you are betting on.  Could be 1, 2, or 3.  If you had just started and 3 opps. came up at same time:   3 x 1    If all win you are up 3 units.  if all lose you are down 3 units.  Next stake depends on how many opps. come up.   Say it was 2.  You would bet 2 x 2 so it is a progression but you have to adjust stakes slightly depending on wins/losses but it is no great deal.

Cheers,    Brian

The reason is that it is always one of the EC that goes well, that has more streaks than the others. So playing and adjusting the bets to get a little ahead that I think is the way forward.

Thanks bleep24 to explain how you bet.
-Tuddilue

Hi all.
You play your way and I will play mine: never the twain shall meet.

As long as you are winning who cares what way you play.

Here a tweak, there a tweak, everywhere a tweak, tweak.

Good luck all,
Brian                              (I will do the Frank Sinatra  -- My Way) :smile:

Haven't tried it but looks similar? Might be easier to tweek the progression rather than martingale than write again?

link:://uxsoftware.com/roulette/systems/v20/Kryptos_Roulette_System.dgt

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 03, 07:19 AM 2016
Hi,

Still using +1/-1.   Works fine.  I do vary stake slightly if there are 2 or 3 betting opps. at same time so for instance if I am 1 unit down and 2 opps. come up I will bet 1 unit on each.  If I was 3 units down and 2 opps. came up I would bet 2 units on each so just a slight tweak.

Good luck,
Brian

Bleep, it's a funny thing how we wander around in our methods and thoughts.
But as it would happen my most recent (real betting) work has centered around
your method. Or similar.  I have been working it from another angle I suppose.

Just still focused on the 2-3 in a row area.

This is a little off topic, but still on topic. So here goes.

I was working on one bet after two. Either the same or a change.
It seemed to me (and still does) that these results cluster enough to
where playing for the previous result (a double or >2) seems to help as
you tend to get a bunch of doubles in a row.

At some point I was looking to play, after two in a row, with a 5 step martingale
for a change.   2 red, and bet for black the next 5. There's something intuitively
wrong about that (I said intuitively) because isn't that the textbook case for
a martingale loss?  The killer streak that kills you.

And since this "third in a row" thing happens so much, I said that I'd bet the
marty for a REPEAT of the two, for 5 in a row. This seems to work.  But
once in a while (seems like once a session) you will get the 2 red and 5 black,
or vice versa. 

I thought about splitting 3 and 3 and if there were 3 losses, take the next
opportunity for 3. That's 6 steps. But what seems like a better idea is to
use the last results you find as a template. If you pick a predefined pattern
you're sure to hit it. But what about the same pattern twice in a row?

So now I'm looking at seeing 2 in a row, looking at a previous pattern after
2 in a row, and betting that pattern against this double.

Just a thought.

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 03, 08:15 AM 2016
Hi RG,
I only ever play `live` on-line.    Four to five times per week.  I aim for plus 30 units.   I am 1 unit = 1 GB pound.   I have never lost with this way of playing.  2`s becoming 3`s happen continuously.  Just look at any old spin history and you will see that it is so.  One thing I did point out in very original post was that I only play for an E/C of 2 to become 3.  Quite often that 3 will go on to become 4/5/6 or more but I just do the one play of the chain because there will be other E/C opps. coming out all the time and it can get a bit confusing and many more 2`s will become 3`s than go on to become 4/5/6 etc.  Just my style.

Good luck  (I enjoy reading your posts)
Brian

It is a bit of a boring method so playing for about 1 hour is my limit and I usually win 20/30 units.

Brian,

I know we discussed this before.  But what you are doing is a D'alenbert. I love that,
yet it also scares me.  What do you find is a typical end game for that progression,
and do you ever get "stuck" out somewhere where you are betting, say, 5-6-5-6-5-6
or something with no resolution?

Thanks

Alan

Hi Mogul397.
Yes it is a D`lambert of sorts but the main difference is that you are not just playing one E/C so losing runs are short.  You could try contre D`lambert but I have not.

Sometimes it can feel like you are going nowhere then you win 3 units followed by another 3 units and hey presto you are on the up again.  Swings and roundabouts as long as you come out on the right side at the end.

I have not kept any statistics on what % 2`s become 3`s but from where I am sitting it is above 50% hence success.I  never had to bet more than 10 units (single stake) and that is rare.  2/3/4 or 5 are the norm.

Another method that I like and have had success with is a DD method. Look at last 4 spins and see if there are only 2 different dozens. Bet missing dozen.  I flat bet this.  I have played several ways so cannot give a definitive answer but it is definitely worth toying around with.  Standard method is on this forum somewhere.  Not mine.

Good luck,  Brian

Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 03, 05:10 PM 2016
like reply 151

Honestly, every time I see that window, I have no idea how to
read what's inside.

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 04, 10:29 AM 2016
Hi tuddilue,

I also think I have been overthinking a bit in my cautious adaptation (using a rolling 64 history + separate bank for all 6 EC's... I think my way was slightly problematical in that it was concentrating on under performers returning to mean - trouble is they can go on sleeping as we all know; even when you think they must surely be due! So it ended up missing other EC series that WERE performing well... in addition was way too slow with infrequent bet opps..)

Anyhow today I played a couple of sessions using bleep24's original way using +1/-1 and betting like in nottophammer's chart. It's a lot easier without the hassle of prior tracking like I was doing before...

It seems a surprisingly cool way to play and I quickly won a couple of live online dealer sessions without much trouble either. :)
I agree also with Brian with what he said earlier about the chain betting - I did not play on a chain after winning a series of 2 becoming a series of 3.
There's a lot to like about it.

Regards,
A.

That chain thing is kind of an opposite way of saying what I had been saying about
playing the clusters. And a good implementation. There are times, when I'm in test mode,
when I see 2-3 in a row when I would bet the opposite.  2-3 multiples in a row and I'd
go for the simple double.  I think the work being done on this is refining well.

Quote from: Priyanka on Aug 04, 02:48 PM 2016
Thanks for the right question.

This money management is the part I am struggling with after reading the whole thread.

When I look at this (as it happens while paper trading) often I will just not bet
on multiples.  The tracking gets more confusing and you are exposed more.

Good job Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 06, 03:17 PM 2016
...

I have not kept any statistics on what % 2`s become 3`s but from where I am sitting it is above 50% hence success.I  never had to bet more than 10 units (single stake) and that is rare.  2/3/4 or 5 are the norm.

Another method that I like and have had success with is a DD method. Look at last 4 spins and see if there are only 2 different dozens. Bet missing dozen.  I flat bet this.  I have played several ways so cannot give a definitive answer but it is definitely worth toying around with.  Standard method is on this forum somewhere.  Not mine.

Good luck,  Brian

Hi Brian,
I think I'm playing like you now I try to always win 1unit and splits between the different ops when they comes. I can confirm that 2/3/4 and 5 is the norm. I will continue to test  :wink:

I saw that GLC talked about the same DD as you here :
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.0
Maybe that is the one you referring to?
-Tuddilue

Hi Tuddilue,
I am very pleased that you are having success with NLE.  It is a great little method, and it works :) A bit slow and boring but never the less winning is winning and that is what this does.

Yes that link is the DD.  Selection results are very good.   What you need to do is decide if flat betting or a prog. and if so which one.
I have flat bet on every trigger.  Also I have flat bet just on first trigger.  If win, wait for next trigger but wait at least 4 spins.  If lose wait at least 4 spins to find next trigger and so on (FLAT BETTING)   I have not tried GLC`s suggested prog. with this so cannot comment but because you are covering 24 numbers the prog. possibilities are endless.   I did look at a Parlay and this seems to have possibilities as well.   Did a short run on columns and that seems ok as well.   How many hours in a day?   Not enough.

If you never try the only possible result is failure.

Good luck and keep playing,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 03:36 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,
I am very pleased that you are having success with NLE.  It is a great little method, and it works :) A bit slow and boring but never the less winning is winning and that is what this does.

Yes that link is the DD.  Selection results are very good.   What you need to do is decide if flat betting or a prog. and if so which one.
I have flat bet on every trigger.  Also I have flat bet just on first trigger.  If win, wait for next trigger but wait at least 4 spins.  If lose wait at least 4 spins to find next trigger and so on (FLAT BETTING)   I have not tried GLC`s suggested prog. with this so cannot comment but because you are covering 24 numbers the prog. possibilities are endless.   I did look at a Parlay and this seems to have possibilities as well.   Did a short run on columns and that seems ok as well.   How many hours in a day?   Not enough.

If you never try the only possible result is failure.

Good luck and keep playing,
Brian

Thanks! Yes it's a fun little method. I like to play the EC but before this method I always lost the play. Will this also loose? Of course I'm assuming it. But for now no loses yet. Up to 6 in the progression and as you said before 50 units is not a big loss...

I'm also logging it with GUT. Will be interesting to see how NLE handles some more difficult trots like fast ones and really slow ones. Time will tell...

Yes GLC posts is always good. I have tested a lot of his ideas before. You always learn something from him. Sad that he doesn't post anymore nowadays. It was always fun to read them.

Flatbet on the DD I think is the way to do this. DD can go south really fast and it's hard to recap the losses. I will give it a try of course. I do not know if @RouletteGhost tested this method? He is more skilled at DD than I am.

Thanks!
- Tuddilue

Hi,

Quote
In 64 spins the ideal expectation of the doublesides of all 3 EC's (6 EC's) forming a series of 2 ONLY is 24.

In 64 spins the ideal expectation of the doublesides of all 3 EC's (6 EC's) forming a series of MORE THAN 2 is 24 too.

37.5% avg.

Keeping these general law of appearance stats findings in mind, it does seem to me to make sense to integrate it with bleep24's "Nice Little Earner" system (N.L.E.) and play exactly as he directs eg:  for series of 2 to become a chain or series of 3 (for one bet only) across all 3 EC's (RB-OE-HL) flatbetting or with mild progression.

To my mind, the key signal to bet for a series of 2 to become a series of 3 would ONLY BE when the total occurrences of ALL series of 3 and 3+ for all 6  sides of the EC's (R,B,O,E,H,L) was significantly LESS THAN the average 24 at any particular time by consulting these occurrences in a personal ongoing rolling history of the last 64 spins. (Variance + return to mean principles)

As an example of what I mean is; you could decide to make a rule to opt to bet only for series of any 3 to form as with N.L.E. method - but only when there were just 18 or less total hits of series greater than 2 in the "current 64".

:)

Only a thought! My little suggestion attempt in the interests of more safety. What do you think?

Regards,
Atlantis.

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 03:36 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,
I am very pleased that you are having success with NLE.  It is a great little method, and it works :) A bit slow and boring but never the less winning is winning and that is what this does.

Yes that link is the DD.  Selection results are very good.   What you need to do is decide if flat betting or a prog. and if so which one.
I have flat bet on every trigger.  Also I have flat bet just on first trigger.  If win, wait for next trigger but wait at least 4 spins.  If lose wait at least 4 spins to find next trigger and so on (FLAT BETTING)   I have not tried GLC`s suggested prog. with this so cannot comment but because you are covering 24 numbers the prog. possibilities are endless.   I did look at a Parlay and this seems to have possibilities as well.   Did a short run on columns and that seems ok as well.   How many hours in a day?   Not enough.

If you never try the only possible result is failure.

Good luck and keep playing,
Brian

I don't think it's slow and boring at all. With 3 choices of EC's on
airball it comes plenty fast for me.


This could be the bread and butter I'm looking for to enjoy stopping
off at the casino for an hour and picking up some money. Not out of
need. But it's enjoyable to play and stay in the back.

Hi Atlantis,
No disrespect but I think that your idea is over-egging the pudding (English)  The saying that comes to my mind regarding NLE is: What Will Be Will Be.. Because 2`s becoming 3`s are happening regularly (above 50% I would venture) I do not think that there is a need to TRY and out-wit what will come out:  just let it happen.

My two-peneth:  2 cents. 2 euros etc. etc`s worth of observations.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 12:20 PM 2016
I do not think that there is a need to TRY and out-wit what will come out:  just let it happen.
My two-peneth:  2 cents. 2 euros etc. etc`s worth of observations.
Brian

Hi Brian,
I am willing to accept that you may indeed be right and my idea may prove fruitless or even unnecessary...
I was just bearing in mind those stats, and it seemed a reasonable enough assumption to risk betting only when it would appear that the odds/chances were favouring a hit due to an imbalance (under 24 appearances of 2+)
In other words that after "lagging behind" for a while, so to speak, and in order to fulfil the 'law' quoted,  that the 2+ patterns must surely very soon start to once again become prominent inside the ever changing grid of 64 outcomes and that this could be a plan to capitalise on the said deficiency. Hopefully would also require a lower initial bankroll and keep the staking to a lower level too (due to expectation of upcoming early successful wins anticipated)

But, again, this way would be harder to play and take more time and concentration. I am sure it WOULD work though.
However, you cannot get away from the fact that your way is nice and easy and great fun to play and as I said previously - may not need to be any major change to stop it delivering.

Just putting my idea out there for others to ponder and think about whether it's logical or reasonable. It may work as good or better than NLE but ultimately involve lower staking risk for the respective 3 EC's - which might be good if results were to show consistent wins + lower stakes overall... because you could then play for HIGHER unit amounts knowing the risk of losing was much reduced  - even if the wins gained took longer to achieve.

A.

Hi Atlantis,
Thanks for your comments.  Some may well be true but does less betting with higher stakes not run the risk of bigger losses when they happen (as they will) and balancing out overall.  As you say: more watching and waiting. Who knows when the winning streak is ending?   
As the Bard of Avon said: (I have probably mis-quoted)  Ah, thereby is the rub.

I am English and apologise to you `foreigners` for using English vernacular!!!!!!!!!!   It is even worse because I am a Geordie Englishman:  the best kind.

(Bard of Avon.  William Shakespeare)     Everyone after reading this will be Googling like mad.

Good luck,
Brian











Good luck,   Brian

Could someone run these, :thumbsup: # R B O E L H R/B O/E L/H 1
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Just stopped by to try a run with real $$$.

It didn't go as smoothly as I expected.  I only played
for a short time and went to paper. I got a lot of
skips where I had more than on betting op.

I may try to type it in.

Later.

Hello Nottophammer,
Ends up losing about 13 units.(depending on prog)  There are about 30 spins.  I have only ever, ever seen a run like that once or twice  in a year.   There are 13 losing 2`s and only 5 winning 3`s.   It usually works out at about 50%.  Was this air-ball or RNG.  I never play either. I usually play for about 1 hour (60 spins or so)   I wonder if you have contrived this series of numbers to test?

I have glanced through spin histories on here and cannot see any such results.

If you are playing 1 unit = 1 pound/euro/dollar it is no great loss compared to other systems/methods.

I would have been playing on if I hit that series.
Cheers,
Brian

Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 07, 01:51 PM 2016
Could someone run these...

Hi notto,
I got +1 after the 40 spins.
Playing +1/-1 on each of the 3EC's
A.

Hello Mogul397,
Why are you only playing one opp. if there are more at the same time.  That  is the raison d` etre of this method to spread bets over any E/C`s.   eg:    R O L     B E L   B O L etc. etc.


I may have misunderstood you.

Cheers,     Brian               (I will respond to your pm later)

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 03:21 PM 2016
Hello Mogul397,
Why are you only playing one opp. if there are more at the same time.  That  is the raison d` etre of this method to spread bets over any E/C`s.   eg:    R O L     B E L   B O L etc. etc.


I may have misunderstood you.

Cheers,     Brian               (I will respond to your pm later)

Glad you are listening. No I am not. In fact I am attaching my results from this afternoon,
a couple hours ago.  You will see a line where I just copied data from the marquis.
then I got ready to play. I played a few and stopped up $5.  I unit.

Then I track the rest of the data that I watched.  I was moving slowly into that 3-4 unit
area.  But as I said, I don't play multiples. To be honest, I don't completely understand
how you factor them in. I have an idea. You can explain it more fully please.

I see a multiple as a multiple bet on wherever you are in your progression. If your
next bet is 3 units, then you bet both or all choices with 3 units.  So you make 3 you can
do anything from make 9 units to lose 9 units on a triple bet. Or win or lose 6 units on
a double bet.

The next question s how you factor that in for your next bet.

I had mostly skips at the end of this run. Which WAS boring and frustrating.

Please advise.

Thanks

Brian wrote:

Quote
I would have been playing on if I hit that series.

Exactly Brian - WHY?  Because you expect a reversal of fortune coming soon! that's what I was getting at earlier  :)

A.

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 03:13 PM 2016Was this air-ball or RNG.

Nope,this was grosvenor, Luton 30/7/16.
I could not get anything right that night  :'(

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 03:13 PM 2016
Hello Nottophammer,
Ends up losing about 13 units.(depending on prog)  There are about 30 spins.  I have only ever, ever seen a run like that once or twice  in a year.   There are 13 losing 2`s and only 5 winning 3`s.   It usually works out at about 50%.  Was this air-ball or RNG.  I never play either. I usually play for about 1 hour (60 spins or so)   I wonder if you have contrived this series of numbers to test?

I have glanced through spin histories on here and cannot see any such results.

If you are playing 1 unit = 1 pound/euro/dollar it is no great loss compared to other systems/methods.

I would have been playing on if I hit that series.
Cheers,
Brian

I'll say one thing about the airball.  They had these two machines for airball.
They just replaced one with a new kind. This thing lets the ball roll around the
outside so long that, unless there's a magnet inside, it's random.

Hi Nottophammer,
I was having my evening meal when I looked at those numbers and now realise that I missed 10 numbers out so my result null and void.  I will have another look later.

Brian

Brian heres some more #'s and could atlantis run them, would be most greatful.
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Hello Atlantis,
I get where you are coming from.  There may be some merit in playing that way.  As always, we all have our favourite system/method/prog.etc.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 07, 03:47 PM 2016
Brian heres some more #'s and could atlantis run them, would be most greatful.
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It's a lot of work to run these.  At the very least
could you put  "r o l" to format them? More work than
I would want to do.

Look at my attachment.

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 03:49 PM 2016
Hello Atlantis,
I get where you are coming from.  There may be some merit in playing that way.  As always, we all have our favourite system/method/prog.etc.

Good luck,
Brian

Brian,

Doesn't look like our experiences are reflecting the walk in the
park in these sessions that you report.

Hi notto,

I made that a better session with +10 after 45 spins. (high of +16)
Highest bet on an EC was 2u.

A.

mogul397
I could but theres coders on here who can copy that and paste them, have the answer  back in under five minuets.

For brians benefit the last group are rng and much better result, Ladbrokes Milford Haven, dont matter where play the bookies RNG it gives that average of 15.8 in 30 spins  +/- here it got 14

Atlantis
Thank you very much, close to what i have,.

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 07, 04:03 PM 2016
Hi notto,

I made that a better session with +10 after 45 spins. (high of +16)
Highest bet on an EC was 2u.

A.

:thumbsup:

Hi Nottophammer,
In that last series of numbers I make it that 8 2`s stayed 2`s and 18 2`s became 3`s.  Much more typical (and profitable)

Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 04:21 PM 2016
Hi Nottophammer,
In that last series of numbers I make it that 8 2`s stayed 2`s and 18 2`s became 3`s.  Much more typical (and profitable)
Brian.

Hi Brian - that was over 45 spins. After 64 spins the results could be closer. But let's say the 3's were on target and hit the typical figure of 24 or thereabouts by 1 or 2 hits either way but the '2's only' were getting significantly behind the avg ideal expect of 24 by say 5 or 6 hits; in that case it it may pay dividends to switch to betting FOR the 2's to begin to catch up...
By monitoring the results of 2 only and 3(+) we could determine when a good time to profitably switch between betting for 2's or 3's. This may help cut out some of the losses otherwise encountered by following just one stream/pattern. Thanks.

A.

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 05, 12:18 PM 2016
Hi,

Just my thing but I never play RNG or air-ball and my play is all on Live roulette (on-line)

Regards,
Brian

Me too, also I'd like to confirm when you said about the Dublinbet airball roulette, that when some others begun betting the roulette start spinning faster giving you less and less time to bet!
Be careful guys, this is a fact!

Less time means more mistakes, sometimes the touch screen needs to re-calibrated because if your fingertip is half centimeter to the left or right it could place your bet elsewhere, or sometimes not at all.

If you play mechanically and/or randomly then you won't have issues with that but that's how they want you to bet...they are forcing the issue indirectly!

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 03:49 PM 2016
Hello Atlantis,
I get where you are coming from.  There may be some merit in playing that way.  As always, we all have our favourite system/method/prog.etc.

Good luck,
Brian

Hi Bleep24,

I've read the thread through and my conclusions are the following;

1) If you were betting for the opposite of what you bet, chops for 2 streaks, eventually you would get the same results

2) If you were betting reds, or any other EC without waiting for 2 in a row, eventually you would get the same results

3) What could make a difference is the progression and BR management, Mogul said it plenty of posts before about non linear progressions and about digging up holes which eventually are becoming graves...!

4) About the "gamlet" you spoke of, why the particular six numbers?
Let's say you want to determine if those six numbers are going to show any time soon and you are checking the last 20 spins and you don't see any of them there, then why don't you just bet the numbers you see among the last 20 spins??
Do those six numbers posses some kind of magical attributes for you?

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 07, 01:46 PM 2016
Hi Atlantis,
Thanks for your comments.  Some may well be true but does less betting with higher stakes not run the risk of bigger losses when they happen (as they will) and balancing out overall.  As you say: more watching and waiting. Who knows when the winning streak is ending?   
As the Bard of Avon said: (I have probably mis-quoted)  Ah, thereby is the rub.

I am English and apologise to you `foreigners` for using English vernacular!!!!!!!!!!   It is even worse because I am a Geordie Englishman:  the best kind.

(Bard of Avon.  William Shakespeare)     Everyone after reading this will be Googling like mad.

Good luck,
Brian











Good luck,   Brian

Your English slang and quotes are incredibly entertaining.  And educational.

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 07, 05:22 PM 2016
Hi Brian - that was over 45 spins. After 64 spins the results could be closer. But let's say the 3's were on target and hit the typical figure of 24 or thereabouts by 1 or 2 hits either way but the '2's only' were getting significantly behind the avg ideal expect of 24 by say 5 or 6 hits; in that case it it may pay dividends to switch to betting FOR the 2's to begin to catch up...
By monitoring the results of 2 only and 3(+) we could determine when a good time to profitably switch between betting for 2's or 3's. This may help cut out some of the losses otherwise encountered by following just one stream/pattern. Thanks.

A.

For whatever it's worth, my last data set was probably around 60-70 spins.
22 of them were copied off the marquis.  That representing an entire session,
I'm not sure I'l have the patience to do all that just to get a start. Unless the
advantage was compelling.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 07, 05:59 PM 2016
Me too, also I'd like to confirm when you said about the Dublinbet airball roulette, that when some others begun betting the roulette start spinning faster giving you less and less time to bet!
Be careful guys, this is a fact!

Less time means more mistakes, sometimes the touch screen needs to re-calibrated because if your fingertip is half centimeter to the left or right it could place your bet elsewhere, or sometimes not at all.

If you play mechanically and/or randomly then you won't have issues with that but that's how they want you to bet...they are forcing the issue indirectly!

It was getting like that at plainridge. Then they just replaced one of the two machines.
This one has an actual 30 second countdown that you can see and watch. Much
easier on the nerves. But slow when you're just waiting.

Bleep,

Do you (or anyone) have any perspecitive on the data from my
post earlier of my run?

The data that I copied off the marquis seemed to have more >2.

Then I jumped in. And I got a lot of "skips" cause I skipped the multiple
bets. Seemed too confusing. But maybe that would have been my salvation.
Or maybe I need to learn it better.

Can you take a look and tell me how it would have worked out?

(Probably your bedtime now).........
5 hours later........

QuoteThis one has an actual 30 second countdown that you can see and watch. Much
easier on the nerves. But slow when you're just waiting.

Do you think 30 secs is much time?

Why to wait?

Personally speaking I don't, just betting non stop.

If someone uses rare triggers in order to bet then he should be playing RNG, results happen in a click of a mouse.

I'm traditional on this one, I prefer the wheel and croupier in front of me, I like to have cigars, drinks and chat, I like casino atmosphere.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 07, 09:01 PM 2016
Do you think 30 secs is much time?

Why to wait?

Personally speaking I don't, just betting non stop.

If someone uses rare triggers in order to bet then he should be playing RNG, results happen in a click of a mouse.

I'm traditional on this one, I prefer the wheel and croupier in front of me, I like to have cigars, drinks and chat, I like casino atmosphere.

Not sure which way you are arguing.

I went to twin rivers for a while. Dabbled in craps. They have live wheels there.
Also rng.

So I found the craps, ultimately, to be slow. For pass/don't. Sometimes many
numbers etc.

I was drawn to the rng because you could get quick results.  One time I was
watching the real wheels for a bit. For one thing there was only one dealer.
Every spin she had to pay off and then sort an OCEAN of chips before the next
spin. I went up to the RNG for about 15 min and came down. I looked at the
marquis and there were 4 more numbers since I left. That is scary.

If you're there to hang around and enjoy the atmosphere that's fine. I
outgrew that aspect years ago, and go there for business.

The airball machines that they had at plainridge did some random (tm) thing
where after a result it swallowed the ball.  And almost as it spun it it would say
"no more bets". It was kind of different every time, but I kind of thing that
it was tracking how long it had been since the last button was pushed by
someone for a bet. That also was scary.

So yes. In a certain venue I think that 30 seconds is quite fine. And I think
that watching a dealer get her ass kicked is boring and tiresome.

Also, BTW, I think they have smoking at twin river. I don't smoke. Mostly
you don't notice. upstairs is no smoking. Plainridge is non smoking. They also
have a drink station for soda and coffee (I quit drinking 14 years ago. Thankfully)
So I just waltz in and am comfortable.

Quote from: mogul397 on Aug 07, 09:30 PM 2016
Not sure which way you are arguing.

I went to twin rivers for a while. Dabbled in craps. They have live wheels there.
Also rng.

So I found the craps, ultimately, to be slow. For pass/don't. Sometimes many
numbers etc.

I was drawn to the rng because you could get quick results.  One time I was
watching the real wheels for a bit. For one thing there was only one dealer.
Every spin she had to pay off and then sort an OCEAN of chips before the next
spin. I went up to the RNG for about 15 min and came down. I looked at the
marquis and there were 4 more numbers since I left. That is scary.

If you're there to hang around and enjoy the atmosphere that's fine. I
outgrew that aspect years ago, and go there for business.

The airball machines that they had at plainridge did some random (tm) thing
where after a result it swallowed the ball.  And almost as it spun it it would say
"no more bets". It was kind of different every time, but I kind of thing that
it was tracking how long it had been since the last button was pushed by
someone for a bet. That also was scary.

So yes. In a certain venue I think that 30 seconds is quite fine. And I think
that watching a dealer get her ass kicked is boring and tiresome.

Also, BTW, I think they have smoking at twin river. I don't smoke. Mostly
you don't notice. upstairs is no smoking. Plainridge is non smoking. They also
have a drink station for soda and coffee (I quit drinking 14 years ago. Thankfully)
So I just waltz in and am comfortable.

I think 30 seconds insufficient time, for me ideal is 100 to 120 seconds from spin to spin.
I've been at LV, you can smoke at every casino there, went at downtown and the Riviera.
From East coast at Rhodes Island, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, have been at Boston, Trump will build a new one over there.
Used to own one which bankrupted!  :xd:

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 07, 09:51 PM 2016
I think 30 seconds insufficient time, for me ideal is 100 to 120 seconds from spin to spin.
I've been at LV, you can smoke at every casino there, went at downtown and the Riviera.
From East coast at Rhodes Island, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, have been at Boston, Trump will build a new one over there.
Used to own one which bankrupted!  :xd:

What do you do with all that time?

Quote from: mogul397 on Aug 07, 11:16 PM 2016
What do you do with all that time?

Just taking it slow and easy, also need time to count chips and keep notes.
With 2 persons duration would be reduced to half but I'm not trusting easily in such matters...

Hi Blue_Angel,

Re: Gamlett systems.  I did not create it so have absolutely no idea whatsoever why it is those numbers.   I cannot find this system now but I never played the way I remember it said to do.     Only start betting those 6 numbers after one of them has come out and only for 6 spins.    I look at spin history to see if those numbers are coming out.  You can go 30 or more spins and never see a one then all of a sudden they will be popping up like mad.   This is flat bet so lose 36 units on a no show.   My take on this is that it is all to do with wheel layout and dealer signature.

Just for the hell of it why don`t you just look back over spin histories (on here) Ignatus posted 10 complete spin histories on one post.  I like to use/look at them.

Good luck,     Brian

Quote from: mogul397 on Aug 07, 07:27 PM 2016
For whatever it's worth, my last data set was probably around 60-70 spins.
22 of them were copied off the marquis.  That representing an entire session,
I'm not sure I'l have the patience to do all that just to get a start. Unless the
advantage was compelling.

Hi mogul397,
I did a small test with RX and random numbers betting with last 64 spins stats every spin and after the intial tracking/collection I just did the NLE bets with the +1/-1 but only betting if hits for series 3 and 3+ were <=21 hits.  (19 would be safer)
Result was +24 units in 199 spins total (includes initial 64)

Betting only on 48 of the spins

I am sure I could have improved on that by having more bets if I had applied the same rules to the appearances of the series of '2 only' as well.

Still - it's quite interesting. :)

On a side note, would be nice and a lot easier to have some program or sheet that totted up the total hits for the series of 2 and series of 3 and above (for all 3 EC's) over a rolling 64 spin history -would save having to do manually after every spin which is a bit of a bind. :(

A.

I wrote:

Quote
I am sure I could have improved on that by having more bets if I had applied the same rules to the appearances of the series of '2 only' as well.

I played the same spin session of 199 spins through again and after spin 64 began to check for <=21 hits this time on the "2 only's" EC's to see what the outcome/profit would be...

Surprisingly there were NO bets indicated at all for the rest of the session! The 2's were doing very well so there was no imbalance trigger to bet. (In fact there was always 24 or more hits on the 2's from spin 64 onwards.)
This can happen. But had they dropped to 21 or below I would have been betting them though because I set that as my default trigger to bet for return to normal expectations.

However you do not know what is going to happen or how things will pan out, that's why I expect it will pay to bet both for the 2's and the 3's (with separate progression for each pattern, naturally) when the signs show it pertinent to do so. (ie. the default trigger you set)

A.

FWIW here is my session betting for the 3's after 64 spins.

A.

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 08, 07:17 AM 2016
Hi mogul397,
I did a small test with RX and random numbers betting with last 64 spins stats every spin and after the intial tracking/collection I just did the NLE bets with the +1/-1 but only betting if hits for series 3 and 3+ were <=21 hits.  (19 would be safer)
Result was +24 units in 199 spins total (includes initial 64)

Betting only on 48 of the spins

I am sure I could have improved on that by having more bets if I had applied the same rules to the appearances of the series of '2 only' as well.

Still - it's quite interesting. :)

On a side note, would be nice and a lot easier to have some program or sheet that totted up the total hits for the series of 2 and series of 3 and above (for all 3 EC's) over a rolling 64 spin history -would save having to do manually after every spin which is a bit of a bind. :(

A.

As you say, it must take quite a bit of work to track. But I can see
why you are doing it.  Not sure of the specific advantage yet.

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 08, 07:17 AM 2016
Hi mogul397,
I did a small test with RX and random numbers betting with last 64 spins stats every spin and after the intial tracking/collection I just did the NLE bets with the +1/-1 but only betting if hits for series 3 and 3+ were <=21 hits.  (19 would be safer)
Result was +24 units in 199 spins total (includes initial 64)

Betting only on 48 of the spins

I am sure I could have improved on that by having more bets if I had applied the same rules to the appearances of the series of '2 only' as well.

Still - it's quite interesting. :)

On a side note, would be nice and a lot easier to have some program or sheet that totted up the total hits for the series of 2 and series of 3 and above (for all 3 EC's) over a rolling 64 spin history -would save having to do manually after every spin which is a bit of a bind. :(

A.

BTW, I think that winning 24 units betting 48 spins is technically correct
for a D'alenbert. That is what the sequence does. As long as you don't bust.

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 08, 08:13 AM 2016
I wrote:
I played the same spin session of 199 spins through again and after spin 64 began to check for <=21 hits this time on the "2 only's" EC's to see what the outcome/profit would be...

Surprisingly there were NO bets indicated at all for the rest of the session! The 2's were doing very well so there was no imbalance trigger to bet. (In fact there was always 24 or more hits on the 2's from spin 64 onwards.)
This can happen. But had they dropped to 21 or below I would have been betting them though because I set that as my default trigger to bet for return to normal expectations.

However you do not know what is going to happen or how things will pan out, that's why I expect it will pay to bet both for the 2's and the 3's (with separate progression for each pattern, naturally) when the signs show it pertinent to do so. (ie. the default trigger you set)

A.

Looked at your results chart. Nice work and thanks for doing that.

I don't see where you are keeping track of the 2's and 3's on it though.

Quote from: mogul397 on Aug 08, 08:52 AM 2016
Looked at your results chart. Nice work and thanks for doing that.

I don't see where you are keeping track of the 2's and 3's on it though.

Hi mogul397,

The results chart was produced by the RXtreme proggie. That's what I'm using to track the last 64 spins and also the occurrences of the 2's and 3's on a spin by spin basis. (hard work because you've got to flip through all 6 EC tabs in the RX stats to count 'em each time - phew!)
All I can tell you is that when a bet was made it was because there was 21 or less hits on the 3's at that time in the current 64 spins. If there was 22 or more hits of the 3's then no bet was placed...

A.

This question is for Bryan but anyone playing can answer

What is the most times in a row a 2 has not gone to a 3?

Like

B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R

Etc

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 08, 11:10 AM 2016
This question is for Bryan but anyone playing can answer

What is the most times in a row a 2 has not gone to a 3?

Like

B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R

Etc

Theoretically all sequences of equal range have the same probability regardless of the order of the events.
So if red could hit 36 times in a row, the same could happen for this case too.

Right

Anything can happen

But theres limits. 36 reds will not happen in a row

So in average play of the average player who plays 40 spins with live dealer my question is in regards to that

Im not talking about the uncommons

Of course BBRBBRBBR can happen 30 times but it wont

Hi guys,

No idea how many 2`s consecutively E/C`s is the norm.  I once had 15 blacks but I was playing RNG.  That is why I do not trust RNG.  It was several years ago so I do not know if RNG is more honest nowadays.  Also 10 zero`s in about 30 spins.  I started betting zero and never saw a one.

Just for the hell of it I went on Wm. Hill live tables spins today.  You can watch (in this case) 2 air-ball and 4 different normal tables at the same time.   2`s becoming 3`s (E/C`s) were happening on all  of the time.   I would estimate (using roulette players eye) that for every 2 staying a 2 then there were 2 becoming 3.      33% versus 66%. What I am saying is: stick with basic NLE and you will not go far wrong.  (No method is perfect and if you are looking for one that is you will still be looking when Nelson gets his eye back.
Good luck,       Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 08, 02:13 PM 2016
Hi guys,

No idea how many 2`s consecutively E/C`s is the norm.  I once had 15 blacks but I was playing RNG.  That is why I do not trust RNG.  It was several years ago so I do not know if RNG is more honest nowadays.  Also 10 zero`s in about 30 spins.  I started betting zero and never saw a one.

Just for the hell of it I went on Wm. Hill live tables spins today.  You can watch (in this case) 2 air-ball and 4 different normal tables at the same time.   2`s becoming 3`s (E/C`s) were happening on all  of the time.   I would estimate (using roulette players eye) that for every 2 staying a 2 then there were 2 becoming 3.      33% versus 66%. What I am saying is: stick with basic NLE and you will not go far wrong.  (No method is perfect and if you are looking for one that is you will still be looking when Nelson gets his eye back.
Good luck,       Brian

Who is Nelson? Nelson Madela??

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 08, 02:13 PM 2016
(No method is perfect and if you are looking for one that is you will still be looking when Nelson gets his eye back.
Good luck,       Brian

Exactly

Its managing the losses that counts

Even AP players have losses

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 08, 11:10 AM 2016
This question is for Bryan but anyone playing can answer

What is the most times in a row a 2 has not gone to a 3?

Like

B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R

Etc

What's the answer?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 08, 11:10 AM 2016
This question is for Bryan but anyone playing can answer

What is the most times in a row a 2 has not gone to 3 ?

Why ?
As I remember it was 14 for me personally  (I looked at that in the past before )

Hi bleep24,
I played a practice session today using my pre-tracking and imbalance trigger and on the r/b EC had a run of 8 consecutive 2's failing to become a 3. Then one did make a 3 but several more 2 only's promptly followed. You can get a good few units down if this happens and you're using a +1/-1. And this happened with my cautionary play too. So you never know.
I need to rethink it more. At the moment it appears to me that there may be no especial advantage or better security in changing from Brian's original NLE method.
If I played it for real I think I would use the original NLE way - far simpler and much less hassle.
SO - how to deal with the nemesis of this strategy; long strings of '2 only' that may occur?
It will be some achievement if we can crack that one!  :)

A.
 

Admiral Horatio Nelson.  Commander of the British fleet at the battle of Trafalgar.   Lost his eye.   Nelson`s column in Trafalgar Square, London.   

Hi Atlantis,
Were you just looking at R/B?   As you know NLE is looking at all 6 E/C possibilities to mitigate 2`s repeating and repeating.
Cheers,   
Brian

you just take the 50 unit loss it wont happen much, I have been playing win 10 units or lose the 50 units

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 08, 04:20 PM 2016
Hi Atlantis,
Were you just looking at R/B?   As you know NLE is looking at all 6 E/C possibilities to mitigate 2`s repeating and repeating.
Cheers,   
Brian

I think playing all 3 at the same time is what makes the damblert successful for you

We will not see a bunch of

RRB
HHL
OOE

All at the same time

Quote from: bleep24 on Aug 08, 04:20 PM 2016
Hi Atlantis,
Were you just looking at R/B?   As you know NLE is looking at all 6 E/C possibilities to mitigate 2`s repeating and repeating.
Cheers,   
Brian

Hi Brian; RG.

Yes I was playing all 3 EC's. But obviously when 1 EC is continually losing the progression gets higher on that side with the +1/-1 ; if the other 2 EC's are indeed winning then the returns from those get lower, so the gap widens and the losses increase...
I think at one stage I had reached 12u on R/B and only 1u on the H/L and O/E chances.
Maybe I can experiment with a different kind of progression idea that might change things... or not?

@tomla
Good to hear you're doing well with it despite an occasional loss. :)

A.

Quote from: denzie on Aug 08, 03:42 PM 2016
Why ?
As I remember it was 14 for me personally  (I looked at that in the past before )

Are we coming back to what I said about playing for the last result?
Continue doubles, or continue triples?

After thinking about it, my next question/observation is, why
are we looking for 2-3 runs?

There are twice as many 1-2's. Multiples vs singles.

Quote from: atlantis on Aug 08, 05:19 PM 2016I think at one stage I had reached 12u on R/B and only 1u on the H/L and O/E chances.

But it can never happen if you always split bet on 3 EC's...
They always have same amount!

Quote from: NextYear on Aug 09, 03:36 AM 2016
But it can never happen if you always split bet on 3 EC's...
They always have same amount!

Hi NextYear,
Can you show me what you mean?
A.

If you lose let's say 12:
- on next opportunity if it is RB, you bet 13 - but if it's RB+EO, you bet 7+7 - if it's 3 EC's, you bet 5+5+5
- if you lose 13 (or 14 or 15), you bet 14 if it's 1 EC - bet 7+7 if 2 EC's - bet 5+5+5 on 3 EC's
- if you lose 14 (or 14 or 15), you bet 15 if it's 1 EC - bet 8+8 if 2 EC's - bet 5+5+5 on 3 EC's
- if you lose 15 (or 16 or 15), you bet 16 if it's 1 EC - bet 8+8 if 2 EC's - bet 6+6+6 on 3 EC's...

That's how I see it.......

Quote from: NextYear on Aug 09, 04:02 AM 2016
If you lose let's say 12:
- on next opportunity if it is RB, you bet 13 - but if it's RB+EO, you bet 7+7 - if it's 3 EC's, you bet 5+5+5
- if you lose 13 (or 14 or 15), you bet 14 if it's 1 EC - bet 7+7 if 2 EC's - bet 5+5+5 on 3 EC's
- if you lose 14 (or 14 or 15), you bet 15 if it's 1 EC - bet 8+8 if 2 EC's - bet 5+5+5 on 3 EC's
- if you lose 15 (or 16 or 15), you bet 16 if it's 1 EC - bet 8+8 if 2 EC's - bet 6+6+6 on 3 EC's...

That's how I see it.......

That's how I do it

Quote from: NextYear on Aug 09, 04:02 AM 2016
If you lose let's say 12:
- on next opportunity if it is RB, you bet 13 - but if it's RB+EO, you bet 7+7 - if it's 3 EC's, you bet 5+5+5
- if you lose 13 (or 14 or 15), you bet 14 if it's 1 EC - bet 7+7 if 2 EC's - bet 5+5+5 on 3 EC's
- if you lose 14 (or 14 or 15), you bet 15 if it's 1 EC - bet 8+8 if 2 EC's - bet 5+5+5 on 3 EC's
- if you lose 15 (or 16 or 15), you bet 16 if it's 1 EC - bet 8+8 if 2 EC's - bet 6+6+6 on 3 EC's...

That's how I see it.......

Thanks nextyear for the explanation. I calculate the same.

It's easier to do this way. Because when one ops (or more)  hit then you are +1..

-Tuddilue

Yes, when you get 1 hit on all bet(s), you are +1 without playing Martingale!  :twisted:

Mogul.....Try search lol

Leicester oops go on the black cats

Search? Whats that

so far I have had 6 winning sessions and 1 loser

Quote from: Turner on Aug 13, 11:49 AM 2016
Mogul.....Try search lol

I did.

Quote from: mogul397 on Aug 14, 09:41 PM 2016
I did.

And actually I didn't need to. I bookmark places I want to go back to.
I scan 5 groups and I often have no idea which one things came from.
So I just pop back with the book mark.


That's why  I find it hysterical when people here get personal about posts.
I have NO idea most of the time, who wrote it, what group it's in, or what
thread.

Not sure why anyone else is here. I do actual work. I have about
6 days of daily trips to plainridge where I'm trying to wrap myself
around this contept.

1) I have been working, looking for single hits. They happen more often,
obviously. So less waste of time.

2) In the beginning I was seeing a flat profit from just watching for
a multiple EC and then betting for a single on a change.  This still
has been holding up.

3) For some weird reason I notice that the H/L tend to favor the groups.
When a group ends with a change, betting for one more TENDS to happen
more often.

4) My idea about playing the last result is holding up and helping. If the
last result (on an EC) was a singe, bet for the next one to be a single.
If it was a multiple, bet the next one is a multiple. That catches the
strings of doubles and other stuff that happens.  And helps if you are
using a D'alenbert (Which I have not done for real yet).  But I am
looking exclusively at individual EC's. Not a rolling basis of all 3 EC's.

So you lurkers or doubters can pocket this. Throw it away. Or jump
on board for more development.  Doesn't matter to me.  I'm doing the
work. And in the end have all the practice to run with.

It's a little scary but I still make $20-$30 on single $5 bets, on the
intuition of the thing.

Im totally confused as to what your writing about mogul?

i am far from a programmer and this is as basic as it gets... but it works fine.

dead basic looks for 3rd hit of the same equal. no progression or logs, just 1u bets at a time on each equal when triggered. testing at the moment, 3u up after 19 spins.

for RX...



system "equals"

//1 unit on 3rd equal being same as previous 2

method "main"
begin


If Black has Hit for 2 times
Begin
Put 1 unit on Black
   end

If Red has Hit for 2 times
Begin
Put 1 unit on Red
   end

If Low has Hit for 2 times
Begin
Put 1 unit on Low
      end

If High has Hit for 2 times
Begin
Put 1 unit on High
         end

If Even has Hit for 2 times
Begin
Put 1 unit on Even
            end

If Odd has Hit for 2 times
Begin
Put 1 unit on Odd
             end
end

My results are not exactly the same.

Seems like you still get the long runs of doubles.
Anyone still working on this?  I am.

Anyone still playing NLE.?
Whats people's BR on this and stop loss.?

I am pounding on it regularly.  As I just posted, I am also looking for "singles",
waiting for a series, then a change, and back to the series. Like
BBBBRB.  When I see the "R" I look for black.

I also track doubles and triples.  On all EC's.  I go almost every day for about
an hour. I have to have 20-30 sheets here from my work tracking it.

To this point my methodology is to play for the last event. In other words, if
I saw RRRBR last time, I circle the B for recordkeeping and next time look
for that.

If I saw  LLLLLHH, that is not a single. It is greater than and next time I see
a series I play once for it to continue.

I watch the doubles and triples in similar fashion. My experience has shown
that you can get a lot of sequences of doubles, or triples.

Of course it can chop too. So I am still looking around for the best progression,
if any. Right now  just looking flat.

But yeah. I am LIVING this thing.  Was just reviewing the last couple days.

One idea is a 5 step martingale. I also am thinking about playing for the
chop in results.  Sometimes it all seems to come back to anything else you do.
But I manage to make $10-$20 each time in some opening bets.

It was funny. The other day I went and this older guy, who seems like he's done
it before, was pointing out how H/L had just come in 10 times in a row where,
when there was a series and a change, the series continued.

Like HHHLL or LLLLHH. So bet once to continue. He looks at marquis for
trends on an EC and plays them. He was going to play BJ, but he seemed
pretty sure. And he told me my own method.

Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 15, 07:43 PM 2016
Im totally confused as to what your writing about mogul?

What's confusing. If I see a double I bet the next one to be a double.
If I see a triple, I bet the next double to be a triple.

Hence following the trend and grouping. I'm on board with multiple
doubles and triples.

This one definately is interesting. I think the reason it works so well is that the loosing conditions is spread out over up to 3 possible sets of bets & at the same time only betting at the EXACT condition of 2x streak of 50% states turning into 3x mean skipping a lot of potential disasters. If i read the original post right, timepressure also was a factor so that could end up in skipping/missing some bets (again avoiding losses).

The logic as i see it is a bit like the grassroots one aka playing against shortterm equality. Aka longterm the wheel should have 50/50 B/R  E/O H/L but in shortterm we see BB turn into BBB so often. Speed is another matter. Like people betting on RED only will crash and burn really fast when running into BBBBBBBBB as they continue betting larger & larger into the same instant condition. But NLE here take at least twice the number of spins to meet the same loosing conditions (if not more). Sure the multiple bets could all go sour all in one go but still .. you get more time to think and that ALWAYS helps. The multiple bets will hopefully also mean you even out some losses simply by winning a another bet.

I guess the procedure is the key to the succes. So it could be used on any other similar bets like you could bet the opposite .. like that BB turn R on the 3rd spin. Or if you have EEE in a row you could bet that it turn O on the 4th spin etc. Of cause Bleep may smack me over the head with a big book of data that shows that 2 to 3 EC is the optimal bet.

All in all not a bad strategy even though its probably not for everyone as its not a "quick win" & requires a lot of patience etc.

Hi Thunder Pants,

Thanks for your post.    I have no idea if 2 becoming 3 is the optimal, but just gut feeling says it is.    Also as you pointed out sticking with this avoids some losses and also time to work out what to bet and how much.

I have never lost with NLE but you are correct in saying that it is a bit slow (and unexciting) and will not make you a fortune but a steady earner!

The basic premise of NLE is that at least 50% of 2`s will become 3`s.    You can carry on after 3 but I do not as the idea is to spread bets over all E/C`s where they are 2`s and 3 in a row the rows of 4,5,6,7 etc. diminish rapidly and you could be betting other 2`s at the same time anyway, but each to their own.   


Rules for NLE are not set in stone and everyone should tweak to suit themselves.
Good luck,   Bleep24 

 Bleep,NlE would be good for baccarat,no zeroes.You could also play the chop for one play only.ie,b p bet b.So BB bet B,  Also,BP bet B.What say Bleep?

Quote from: Dutchy on Oct 12, 06:21 PM 2016
Bleep,NlE would be good for baccarat,no zeroes.You could also play the chop for one play only.ie,b p bet b.So BB bet B,  Also,BP bet B.What say Bleep?

I was working on NLE a lot until recently. I never played it for real.  But I would
see some troubling runs of doubles/or triples in a row.  ALso chops.

So the question is, how high, practically, would you play a D'alenbert to cover it?
And recover?

Someone on here awhile back talked about some tests and he was up to 20 or something.
I forget who.

My test plan was to play for the last result. If it was a double, play for a double, and
a triple, play for a triple. I never got how to play more than one at a time. Even when
I got close, the math didn't impress me.

I literally just threw away some 30-40 pages of casino data on it.

 Mogul, I was thinking,play for chop once,play for repeat once and also the doubles once. For the doubles it would go like this,P-P bet for P,if lose you have PPB,now bet for B once.Then wait for doubles to stop.Every sequence has a stopper.Your bet last decision good for two's and three's,but not good for chops. We go in circles. :question:

Dutchy, there is a little value in that. When you see 2-3 of one type in a row, it usually
changes or mixes up. But that is only on a spot basis.

A couple weeks ago I was testing this. I think I was playing for singles.  A single
after a multiple. So RRRB, then you bet R or BBBR, then you bet B.

I won 2 bets in a row.  Then I hit 4 losses in a row.  1,2,3,4.
I bought in for $100. I had $50 left. And I had one of those "all in" moments.
I looked back and saw a couple doubles in a row, so I chose to bet 2 black for the 3rd,
for $50. I won. I left with my $100.  As I said I almost got my ass handed to me.
Going for the double/triple thing was a change in venue. A change in selection,
based on what we're talking about.

But I wouldn't bet the ranch on it. Sometimes I've seen 5-6 triples (or greater) in a row
on H/L, which is why I look to follow the trend. But I've also seen chops of
double/triple.

So there isn't really an answer.

If there is an answer it has to do with betting mode.

a) Bet D'alenbert, but you need to be able to climb the ladder. I've tried to get
Bleep to talk about how his sessions go for money, but he won't. And there were
a couple times (in this or the previous thread) where someone reported a very
high level.

b) Fib. A fib progression resolves with 2 consecutive wins. It also treads water
a bit with chops so it gives you a little more time.

The ultimate question is which of these will you use, and how are you willing to bank it?

When there was talk of the 1,3,9 progression I tried it. And lost. But it had a defined end.
I don't like how the D'alenbert leaves you out hanging without a resolution. I like the
notion of the fib.

Someday I'll make a better opinion of what I am willing to try. It is funny how quick
you generate losses in the D'alenbert. allofasudden you're betting 4=5=6 units, and
that becomes the new normal. Kicking around 5-6 unit bets. The reason for that is simple.
The D'alenbert is like shooting an arrow. Or swinging a pendulum.

When the pendulum swings to the left. Or you draw the bow to shoot. You are just
collecting single unit wins. Almost to your detriment. Cause then the pendulum has more
road to cover swinging the other way, moving you up the betting ladder. Instead of having,
say, a 5 unit swing move to the right, you are  collecting units and adding 5 units as the
pendulum swings to the left. Or the bow pulls back.

This is a mathematical dilemma that I think about. I think that the best solution could involve
watching several things, and when you can find one that would put you down so many unit bets
(the bow is drawn for that data set) you begin to bet it shorter term to take advantage of
letting the bow go, instead off being drawn.

And that's why negative progressions are problematic. People look sequentially at betting
results to recoup losses. They want instant recoup instead of profits.. If you do
up as you win, you often lose single units (that you win with neg progression) and
make your profit while you'd normally be losing.

You hear all this chatter about the HE.  5%?  2%? I'd like to see people work on
betting a coin flip. To learn that they will end up losing as much and as big as
they were with the neg Hous edge.  Because the methodologies suck.

They are built backwards. And if people worked on this they would see that the normal
variant in results puts them in the hole just as much.

The thing that always amazes me is how it ALWAYS seems easier  to end up
losing a bunch... Have a losing streak..... But mostly impossible to experience
a nice winning streak.

People correctly talk about those strings of reds and blacks that are few and far between,
Even results of other bet selection methods. But it is darn easy and frequent to do it
on the negative side.

One problem in gambling method and choice is that the methods always involve some
mechanical method or notion. That seems to be contradictory to how reality lays itself
out. Don't know what the alternative is. But even in this thread there is "play for
2x then do this or that". More mechanics.

Hi all,
The most losses that I have seen with NLE is 11.  I have seen a post where someone claimed to have seen 20.  Are they playing 00/air-ball/RNG.  We all know about those.  If 20 is `live` spins then it must be a rare exception.   I only play live.

I cannot see how playing chops or trying to guess which way it is going to go has any merit: you will be wrong.   2`s becoming 3`s are about 50% and that is the basis of NLE: play all E/C 2`s.  If there are 2 opps at same time play both: if there are 3 opps. play 3.  If I am down say 6 units and 3 opps. come up I would play 2 units on each.  I keep a rolling tally and am not aiming to recover all lost units on 1 spin.
I have seen many winning runs of between 5 and 10 in length.  I do not play on after 3 in a row even though they may become 4,5,6 or more as the longer the chain the less frequently it happens and you can be betting other opps.  instead, but each to their own.
Rules for NLE are not set in stone and people should decide their own playing style/tweaks.
NLE is a slow, steady earner!   (in my experience)     Just for the hell of it I have looked through some past (not mine) Dublinbet spins.  I did not spot any long losing runs.
I will take a look to see if playing on after 3`s is a good way to go.   (excellent if you get a chain of 10)
Bleep24    (brian)






Brian.

We know that this is one of the most stable bet selection, I remember how I tested and drawdawns over -10 were very rare,
I do not know if it somehow changes the probability, but remember that i try to wait at -10 and then play flat ,profit target +3 units , stop lose -3 units, from test made it look very well.
But I not played for so long because the wait was long. If you have time you can try to play flat, but the best would be to excel tracker.

I wish i had airball spins to run this against

I suppose same as real wheel results

Airballs great. Screen with no dealer breathing down your neck

Play 3 ECs at once etc

Drawdown as in units that you are negative? Not unit of play in the
D'alenbert progression?

It doesn't take much.  1+2+3+4 =10 at the 4th level, and it doesn't
take much to get there and hang around there. My plan was (and would still be)
to play  to the 6th, which would be $105. That isn't too bad.

Is 10 units what you mean? I seem to remember some odd reports of testing
and getting to the 15th or 20th level. Sounded a bit unbelievable.

I have to remind people of one of the original and best methods I ever bought
decades ago. "Mr C's craps business program". Spoke to him on the phone and knew
someone (Jim Ferr "Jim the system man) who met him at a casino once. Claimed he
made his living at it.

It basically was to wait for 2 don't pass at a craps table and then bet pass. He was
a little cloudy about if it was a "2 don't or 3 don't table" if you waited for 2 or 3. And
if you played one decision or chased it one more. Intuitive, but very close to the hip.
Over decades I never dug in, cause it was a little vague. I did try it a few years ago,
but at a craps table, believe it or not, was having a hard time getting 2 don'ts.
Lots of time. And once watched a hot roll of like 15 passes, while I waited for my
signal don't.


So yes. It is stable as you say.

But the bottom line is that it is well within table limits and most bankrolls to be banked up to
the 10th level. I always keep wondering how far bleep would chase it or how far he has.

And from there, how long it took him to dig out.

I would still consider testing a fib. 2 wins and you're home.

1,1,2,3,5,8 = 19 units.  $200 for $5 bets, and 6 bet levels.  13 and 21 give you 52 units. for
2 more levels, but it gets expensive.

And I still wonder about the "reverse fib". Take the unit losses until the inevitable ladder
climb to profit. It's so much superior to the reverse marty, because you don't NEED to
have consecutive wins/losses. You can muddle around a bit.

Mogul,
An off-topic question. It was interesting to see you mention Jim Ferr.

I used to visit his craps Web site several years ago; it is now gone. By any chance, do you know if Jim Ferr is still alive? Just wondering.

Bri
Have you passed on this?
If not what is the final way to play?

Cheers :thumbsup:

Hi Notto,   I will post a reply for you tomorrow.

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 13, 08:56 PM 2016
Mogul,
An off-topic question. It was interesting to see you mention Jim Ferr.

I used to visit his craps Web site several years ago; it is now gone. By any chance, do you know if Jim Ferr is still alive? Just wondering.

I don't know. I sent him an email a few months ago with no response.

He stopped by my house in the mid 90's. He was born in NJ.  Lived in Montebello CA.
His birthday was Oct 15th. He and his wife stopped by my house. They were following
the foliage down from maine to then visit his home town. We went to Foxwoods and they
continued from there to NJ.

He would be late 80's and his wife Helen (blind) was 9 years older than him.

Have his phone # somewhere. Should call.

He was a dear friend.

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Hi Notto,
Yes I do still play this but like everyone else am always looking for the HG (if only).
I either play 2 to become 3 or 3 to become 4 (Not mixed)    I am using +1/-1.  Adjusting next stake according to spin outcome so may be betting one option, or 2 or all 3 at same time  so it is not a straightforward up and down prog.  Very rarely have I had to bet 10 units per EC and I just plough on through it as it will turn and we are not talking 0000`s in total stakes. (Usual range is 4/5/6 units per EC.)
If playing 3 to become 4 there are less opportunities and individual and total stakes will reflect this.

EC`s are 50/50 bets so every time you get a 2 (or 3) you have a 50/50 chance of winning.

The reason for playing all 3 EC`s collectively is to avoid any of them stopping at 2 for a prolonged time.  Its rare for all 3 EC`s to be stopping at 2`s. (or 3`s) at same time.
Bugbear with this is keeping track of units to stake but it is a small price to pay for a winning system.

Good luck,
Brian                                     (I only play on-line `live` dealer)

Thanks

Bleep,

I know I've asked this before. But give me the math.

What is your unit size.
What is your bank (that you use in anticipation of playing up to 10 units?)
What has been your max drawdown as you observe it?

Thanks

Hi Mogul,

Unit size is 1 unit = 1 GBP      Bank 100 units         I do not keep records so off the top of my head max DD  is the range 60 units.

Do not forget that although I use +1/-1 this is loosely based and I use a rolling tally.  If I want to bet 1 unit but 2 E/C`s come at same time I will put 1 unit on each.  Say that they both come good I knock 2  units off total etc. but as I say I do not stick quite strictly to this.

Cheers,
Brian

Thanks Brian.

For one thing I probably would only chase one EC.

Don't know if this will sound weird. That amount for a bank sounds reasonable
and expected though.  Thing is, that I would have to wrap my head around it
to actually play. But I can see that. Part of accepting and playing a system is
digesting all that.

Outside bets for me are $2 min. I thought they were $5, and found out by accident
that they were $2. Either way, I am used to the $5, and almost consider it a waste
of time to do less, so that's not a problem. So $5 units is $500. That's a commitment.
I just wanted someone with experience to say it out loud.

I think my hope and maybe expectation is to be able to do something risking less money.
That is MY problem. So then packaging together what I need to do is what has to happen.

Doing this is not on my front burner yet. But I still am WATCHING it on my front burner.
And agree and believe that it works. IF you are willing to invest the time to wait for
the variance to swing and can bank the variance then I think there's no problem. That is
how I see it.

So thanks for delineating that for me.

The one.
THE ONLY

MOGUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Mogul,

Just to let you know that I have been playing (and winning) with NLE.   3 to become 4 is what I am doing as this seems to be best in the long term.  I noted what you said about total units but I do not worry about that, what I am more concerned with is individual unit number.   1 2 3 4 5 maybe 15 units but the unit size is just 5 (in this example) which is whereabouts I like to be.

I have gone back to NLE as it is pretty stable whereas some of the ones I have been testing recently have been found wanting.   I do like devil`s streets/double streets and have been quite successful with that, though I did have one big loss (should have had a decent prog. sorted out for it) so my own fault.

Cheers,
Brian

Hi Mogul,

Just to let you know that I have been playing (and winning) with NLE.   3 to become 4 is what I am doing as this seems to be best in the long term.  I noted what you said about total units but I do not worry about that, what I am more concerned with is individual unit number.   1 2 3 4 5 maybe 15 units but the unit size is just 5 (in this example) which is whereabouts I like to be.

I have gone back to NLE as it is pretty stable whereas some of the ones I have been testing recently have been found wanting.   I do like devil`s streets/double streets and have been quite successful with that, though I did have one big loss (should have had a decent prog. sorted out for it) so my own fault.

Cheers,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 01, 05:09 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,

Just to let you know that I have been playing (and winning) with NLE.   3 to become 4 is what I am doing as this seems to be best in the long term.  I noted what you said about total units but I do not worry about that, what I am more concerned with is individual unit number.   1 2 3 4 5 maybe 15 units but the unit size is just 5 (in this example) which is whereabouts I like to be.

I have gone back to NLE as it is pretty stable whereas some of the ones I have been testing recently have been found wanting.   I do like devil`s streets/double streets and have been quite successful with that, though I did have one big loss (should have had a decent prog. sorted out for it) so my own fault.

Cheers,
Brian

I believe that NLE (or something very close) is the center of the universe.

It's funny that you have gravitated to the 3 becoming 4. I have no good opinion,
but I certainly have been tracking all of the various shorter term repeats.

But it is confusing to me where you mention that "5" is the place you like to be.
That's one that puts a bee in my bonnet (to wax poetic as you might. Get it?
Bee? Wax?)

Anyway, if I were entering a session obviously I would bet 1 unit. If I hit a winning
streak I would be collecting 1 unit wins till the pendulum would swing the other way
and you climb the progression ladder. And yes.  5 units might be a spot where you end up.
I can envision the pendulum swinging +/- 10 and you end uat -5 and swing back to 5.

Is that what you mean? where you end up? Or am I missing something?

Also. Not for nothin'.

1 GBP is only $1. Not much of a high roller or earner.  When I'm talking
about just playing up to 5 units it's $75.  Not $15.

Hi Mogul,
Hope that you have gotten` that bee outa your bonnet now!

What I should have said regarding 5 is that is the general area (average) where I often  am, though at 1 would be much better.  See next. Never went above 3.

Just had a storming session 3 becoming 4:     WWWWWWLLWWLWWWLLWWWLWLWLWWWWLLWWW        If only they were all like that!!

Good luck,     Brian

Hi all,
Spurred on by a recent win of 3 becoming 4 (NLE2) I ventured into the muddy pool.  It again performed very well not going to more than 3 losses in a row with easily more than 50% of 3 chains becoming 4.  Using +1/-1.   Why did I not play this more instead of trying other systems with varied success (or more lack of it)

Will be putting this right.     Now where`s that Rolls Royce showroom?

Watch this space!!!

It costs nothing to test this system but may do you good.

Don`t you just love all sales blurb that says:     may   could   possibly    probably  etc.

Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 02, 02:20 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Hope that you have gotten` that bee outa your bonnet now!

What I should have said regarding 5 is that is the general area (average) where I often  am, though at 1 would be much better.  See next. Never went above 3.

Just had a storming session 3 becoming 4:     WWWWWWLLWWLWWWLLWWWLWLWLWWWWLLWWW        If only they were all like that!!

Good luck,     Brian

Great.

What I honestly think happens while I'm watching is that in my head
I am looking at the 4-5 unit level bet as a bad place. A place
where it is BEGINNING to get bad.

My head is geared to wonder/hope that 5 units is max. My thinking/fear
is that I am going to keep going negative, which is not good. And then
wonder if/when I am going to come back.

Because the truth is that, if I end up staying around the 5 unit area,
I am in a bad place where all I am doing is waiting and fighting to
get out of a hole. Not counting my winnings. Or hoping I don't
continue to go south.

Other than the obvious stated reason, I have played with some EC
things where I might kind of stay even (for the reason of being able to
do this +/-1 thing), and ended up walking slowly to -5 or -6 and
just staying there.

How does this work out for you in actual play? It dilutes the point of playing.

Hi Mogul,
Not sure where you are coming from.  For me going 1 2 3 4 5 is fine because it is not happening all the time and then it will go 5 4 3 2 1 so if I can stay in that general area then I am very happy.   Unit value is all relative.  If 1 unit = $5 then your winnings are proportionately more than mine where 1 unit = £1 but I am winning less - but less risked.  You pays your money and you takes your choice!!  or vice versa.

I am delighted that NLE2 is performing strongly and once I have the confidence will be upping the ante.

Are you recording W/L for this?    You should be able to see where it`s at.  Yes very very occasionally I was betting 10 units but that was on 2 becoming 3.  This `seems` more stable.  Time will tell (or some members will)

Don`t criticise the food until you have tasted it.

Cheers,     Brian

I've certainly tasted it.

There are differences between unit size on several levels.

One is psychological.  It's WAY easier and more likely to play
and test at a lower money level. When creating and testing and
estabilishing limits.  You don't generally say, "I think I'll play a martingale,
cause in all probability I would get 10 losses in a row, so I'll buy in
for the $2400 I'll need".

The other is practical. If I go and try to play with $75, banked
at a $5 level and end up at the 5 unit bet, mentally I have a choice.
Or maybe NO choice. I play it, win, and skirt the cliff, or lose and bust.
Or I think quick and rebank up to 10 units. Which probably won't happen
cause of time between spins, availability of funds (not like I PLANNED,
and had the cash in my hand), etc.

And given that a 5 unit bet is very likely, it would be foolish for me
to limit my bank to a level where I would bust.

Much like the 1,3,9.

It's funny cause after reading a lot of posts by GLC once he tipped
his hand and said something about playin 10 cent tables.
That explained a lot.

There's another practical level to you and your play. You play
live tables online. That's pretty easy on the nerves. Takes a lot
of angst out of it.  Like anything there are levels. I go 15 min
down the road. But the changes in MY travel as casinos opened were:

1) Atlantic city. 8 hours (one day trip)
2) Foxwoods  2 1/2 hours.
3) Trin River   1/2 hour.
4) Plainridge.... 15 min.

There are PLENTY of people, many on this forum, where it is
a major investment of time and energy just to TRY a method for real.

Hi Mogul,
Why don`t you open your own casino?     Will be very handy if you open it at yor gate.    Think of raking in all those punters losses and giving them dodgy systems to use.    Just have European wheels.   You will still make a fortune (and be very popular)

Well worth thinking about.  (Richard Branson will probably want to go into partnership with you, or even better, Donald Trump.)

Brian

Hi again Mogul,

On a more serious note.  I have been playing 3 to become 4 to-night and it is doing seriously well.  Never went more than 3 losses before turning.

One run was of 11 odd.  Included was a 4 run of red and a 4 run of low but you know that I stop when 3 has become 4:  Aw shucks.

Brian.

(just been talking to my friend in Binghamton NY.  He has got a serious lot of snow and had 55" in December)   Makes living in England almost great.

I also went and played tonight. I won $30. ($5 units)

Mostly with that method, but I didn't use any progressions. When I play
lately I am tracking different things and hopping in with the toolkit of
methods.  The 3 becoming 4 went well. It's a funny thing but as you look
and watch and see doubles, you realize you are just skipping them.

Even missed a couple.

Our winters have been unseasonably warm. I watch a program called
"ice road truckers" who drive on ice roads in Alaska when they freeze to
get placed that get no supplies until the road freezes for trucks to get there.
The last season there was a lot of complaining about the roads and thawing.
It was a flat winter here.

In my lifetime, at least as far as here in the northeast, I have seen the cycles
of snow and cold. We get one last ass kicking winter of snow and it drops off.
Seems to possibly follow the 11 year sunspot cycle, but I don't know. I just
know that I can remember how the winters change in predictable patterns.

Hi Mogul,
Congrats. on your small win.

I have seen the `ice road truckers` here on TV in England.  Those guys are amazing.  I could not do their job.

I do not believe in `global warming`          I believe in climate change.        Has the fact that the population of the earth has increased dramatically over the last century got anything to do with it?    All those extra people driving vehicles.  All the extra factories needed to employ them.  All the extra energy needed for their light and heat.  All the extra traffic congestion.  The list goes on and on.    This is the true cause.   Ice melting is only a symptom.

Good luck,    Brian

I agree with the climate change thing vs global warming.

But it is happening.  Hey, they show places that have or don't have
land from water rising and falling from years gone by.

"small win"?

Hi Mogul,

`Small win`   Well you sure as  hell are not going to retire on it!! 

I am going to up my unit value because since starting to play 3 becoming 4 there are less opportunities to bet/win.  I am making a steady 10/12 units per hour from this but at my current unit value I feel like it is a slog, and I will not be retiring on it, mainly because I am already retired.     (Well semi-retired)    I need an excuse to get out of the house for some quiet.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 03, 10:30 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,

`Small win`   Well you sure as  hell are not going to retire on it!! 

I am going to up my unit value because since starting to play 3 becoming 4 there are less opportunities to bet/win.  I am making a steady 10/12 units per hour from this but at my current unit value I feel like it is a slog, and I will not be retiring on it, mainly because I am already retired.     (Well semi-retired)    I need an excuse to get out of the house for some quiet.

Good luck,
Brian

Well I'm with that 100%.  Of course the life long goal was to retire on it. And it took
till retirement for a casino to be close enough and me have a method and confidence.

I agree with the unit size. Like I said, win or lose, less than $5 isn't worth the trip or
time or excitement.

The think I like about the 3 becoming 4 is there is no overlap. It takes more
for it to happen.  10-12 units/hour is a good metric to know.

Don't bet on the superbowl. Patriots gonna lose. I live 10 miles from their
stadium, even though they are in Texas today.

Bleep just wondering why your looking at dd's and such like bets when NLE wins you so much, why not play your grail  :thumbsup:

Hi Notto,

I do still play NLE (3 becoming 4) and it is still winning for me.     You know the saying though:  `the grass is always greener on the other side`    In the case of roulette it is:` the HG is just around the corner` so I am always interested in trying other systems/methods to find out if that is true.  Sadly it is not and I inevitably return to NLE to make up what I have usually lost trying these other ways.  There`s no fool like and old fool.

Often these other ways seem very good for first few sessions and then all go `belly up`           Look at Ignatus.   He is winning 10/10 then next time you look it is 15/20 and then it is system aborted.

Well, I shall keep on looking (even Albert Einstein could not solve it) so I shall just live in hope and next time I am at the shops I will buy a bigger magnifying glass!!!

Good luck,    Brian

Hi Brian,
A couple of questions just to be sure:

1. Your original NLE was 2 becoming 3. But nowadays you don't play that version -- instead, you play 3 becoming 4. Is that right?

2. The progression that you use is -1/+1 -- i.e. up 1 on a loss and down 1 on a win (basically, the d'Alembert progression). Is that right?

Thanks.

Hi,

Yes that is correct. 3 becoming 4.   +1/-1 but I do `adjust` this if for example 2 or 3 opps. come at same time.   Mainly changed from 2 becoming 3 because it isn`t as easy to keep track of what`s going on.  Less opps. with 3 becoming 4 but I have increased my unit value to take account of this fact.

Brian

Hi Doctor S,
Just thought I would show you a typical run.  Taken from Betway `Live` this morning.    75 spins.   +17      -14    End +16 units.

LW W/L LLWWLLWWLLLWWWLWW W/L WLWWLW W/L       (W/L   where 2 opps. on same spin)

-1 +2  +1/-1  -2-3+4+3-2-3+4+3-2-3-4+5+4+3-2+3+2 +1/-1 +2-1+2+1-1+2  +1/-1         So no great big stakes/DD and only betting mainly 1 opp. at a time.  It usually works at betting 1 - 5 units whereas 2 becoming 3 could get up to 9/10/11

Brian,
I got it. Thank you  very much for taking the time out to give an example based on an actual L/W registry.

Hi Doctor S,

Your`e welcome.    Here is another run (abridged details)    68 spins  11 W  8 L   End +5        There was a few losses towards end of session but I had to go out so could not play on to recover, but still a win.

This is easy to play and not very stressful and up to now I have not encountered any RFH.  I do not think that one is likely owing to the fact that we are playing over the 6 EC`s. and +1/-1 prog. means no massive stakes to lose.

Good luck,
Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 12, 02:34 AM 2017
Hi Notto,

I do still play NLE (3 becoming 4) and it is still winning for me.     You know the saying though:  `the grass is always greener on the other side`    In the case of roulette it is:` the HG is just around the corner` so I am always interested in trying other systems/methods to find out if that is true.  Sadly it is not and I inevitably return to NLE to make up what I have usually lost trying these other ways.  There`s no fool like and old fool.

Often these other ways seem very good for first few sessions and then all go `belly up`           Look at Ignatus.   He is winning 10/10 then next time you look it is 15/20 and then it is system aborted.

Well, I shall keep on looking (even Albert Einstein could not solve it) so I shall just live in hope and next time I am at the shops I will buy a bigger magnifying glass!!!

Good luck,    Brian

The theory is that there might be something better. Easier, more profitable, safer. In principle,
even if you literally could pick the right number 34 out of 35 spins, you could always perfect it.

Ignatius MIGHT be an old fool.

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 12, 04:44 AM 2017
Hi,

Yes that is correct. 3 becoming 4.   +1/-1 but I do `adjust` this if for example 2 or 3 opps. come at same time.   Mainly changed from 2 becoming 3 because it isn`t as easy to keep track of what`s going on.  Less opps. with 3 becoming 4 but I have increased my unit value to take account of this fact.

Brian

High roller now? No more $1 betting?

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 12, 05:56 AM 2017
Hi Doctor S,
Just thought I would show you a typical run.  Taken from Betway `Live` this morning.    75 spins.   +17      -14    End +16 units.

LW W/L LLWWLLWWLLLWWWLWW W/L WLWWLW W/L       (W/L   where 2 opps. on same spin)

-1 +2  +1/-1  -2-3+4+3-2-3+4+3-2-3-4+5+4+3-2+3+2 +1/-1 +2-1+2+1-1+2  +1/-1         So no great big stakes/DD and only betting mainly 1 opp. at a time.  It usually works at betting 1 - 5 units whereas 2 becoming 3 could get up to 9/10/11

So the variant is less?

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 12, 08:01 AM 2017
Hi Doctor S,

Your`e welcome.    Here is another run (abridged details)    68 spins  11 W  8 L   End +5        There was a few losses towards end of session but I had to go out so could not play on to recover, but still a win.

This is easy to play and not very stressful and up to now I have not encountered any RFH.  I do not think that one is likely owing to the fact that we are playing over the 6 EC`s. and +1/-1 prog. means no massive stakes to lose.

Good luck,
Brian

+5 win is pretty much indicative of a flat bet win. No progression needed.

Hi Mogul,

I take it from your comment that you will be going down to the casino to-night and flat betting this?

Probably can be played flat bet but will not always come out in front though events should be about 50/50 so no great shakes.

Brian

Brian,
The complicating factor in this is the fact that mogul plays in US casinos, so he won't have the "la partage" rule protection that you Brits enjoy in UK casinos (this is in addition to the fact that you have one zero to contend with whereas we have two zeros to deal with).

In fact, I suspect that in the past when mogul has said that he could not replicate your positive results with NLE may very well be because of the  (absence of) the " la partage" rule that mitigates the harmful effects of the 0.

The double zeros will hurt us much more than the single zero would hurt you.

To summarize my above post:

In the US,
1. we have two zeros and
2. we do NOT have the la partage rule.

So, because of the above two reasons, our experience with all even chance methods (like the NLE) may be different from that of our UK brethren.

Hi Doctor S,

I was not aware that you are US based and yes because of your comments I think that you are at a big disadvantage.   I do not know how you handle 0/00 ordinarily for any of the systems/methods on here, or whether you overcome that handicap in some way.  I certainly will not be playing any American wheels.   Do you bet 0/00 more? ( as a bet or as a hedge)

My thoughts are to bet 0 or 00 or both and its neighbours, but hey, what do I know!!!

Good luck,
Brian


 

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 12, 04:18 PM 2017
Hi Doctor S,

I was not aware that you are US based and yes because of your comments I think that you are at a big disadvantage.   I do not know how you handle 0/00 ordinarily for any of the systems/methods on here, or whether you overcome that handicap in some way.  I certainly will not be playing any American wheels.   Do you bet 0/00 more? ( as a bet or as a hedge)

My thoughts are to bet 0 or 00 or both and its neighbours, but hey, what do I know!!!

Good luck,
Brian

Yes, and it usually pays dividends to put something (even a small amount) on the two zeros. And it is easier to incorporate this additional "defensive" bet into your betting scheme in airball games as opposed to real wheel games (because of all the stipulations regarding separate minimum amounts for inside and outside numbers).

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 12, 04:18 PM 2017
Hi Doctor S,

I was not aware that you are US based and yes because of your comments I think that you are at a big disadvantage. 

Good luck,
Brian

Yes, I am in the US. Why did I give you a different impression?

Hi Doctor S,

It just never crossed my mind.  I tend to think of most members as based in UK unless they have definitely made it obvious that they are in USA/elsewhere.

Noted your comments about US wheels and it does not seem too bad (though the HE is 5.4%) as opposed to 2.7% or 1.35% for European wheels.

Cheers,
Brian

Bleep,

I was having another idea in the direction of NLE.  Wait for
4 in a row and then bet the next 4 for the SAME to reoccur.

RRRR you bet for red in the next 4.

BBBB you bet for a black in the next 4.

4 step marty.

Hi Mogul,

I have often seen chains run on after the 3 becomes 4.   What prog. are you going to use?    90% of the time I would suggest that betting for an opposite in those 4 extra spins is the way to go.  I do see an EC go to 9/10 but is is not very often.   You will see in my NLE posts that I do not carry on betting after the 3 becomes 4.  This is just my way (there`s Frank Sinatra again!!)     

After much blood, sweat and tears I have come up with a super wizz.  Why after 3 becomes 4 and wins do we not do 4 becomes 5.  Do you think that it will catch on?

Good luck,
Brian

Hi Mogul,

Just thought I would let you know what systems I am using successfully (European wheel)

Firstly of course:  NLE    3 becomes 4
Roulette Devil`s street system.    A B C D  (Bet against)
DD method:  Bet whatever you like but stop after a loss.  Wait for a VW. Start betting.  Use leveller prog.  Another prog. would also work.  Never gone past step 3.

Cheers,
Brian

Hi Mogul,

Sorry, I misread your post about RRRR      BBBB        Senior moment I`m afraid.

Makes sense.

Good luck,
Brian

Sure. I get it Bleep.  Understanding someone elses thought can be tough
in writing.

All I am really suggesting is that maybe when I have seen 4 in a row, and
betting for the opposite, it does not happen. May just be as good as the
concept of betting against.