Hi TheLaw, Atlantis, RouletteGhost, and others.
With respect.
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I will post a "RIDDLE" here.
If u could solve this, the casino going to close shop.
AND if u found the answer,
congratulation!,
go make money and enjoy life!
and..
u could choose not to post answer here,
hehehee...of course u wont post the answer here,
u will just keep mum!
hehehee...
The members who understand will shut up and lament..
"Oh NO! This crazy guy open the pandora box!!!"
The members who do not understand will post FUNNY-funny words here.
If u could solve this riddle ,
then u had a HG!
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In a wonderland, a wonderful casino advertise..
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"New Roulette RNG Game,
100spins only per game, then reset.
with GUARANTEED FIXED 30 BLACK VERSUS 70 RED.
in any possible permutation!
[30black + 70 red=100spins per game]
The ONLY Rules: U could ONLY bet BLACK!.
and stake and bet and play anyway as u like!"
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If I come across this wonderful casino,
I could win, every day!
could u win???
Well I have run many simulations and found that just betting H or L every spin, you can get 24 or less wins in 100 spins. Here is what I wrote in Jan of 2014:
I just tested over 15 million single zero spins and analyzed H/L.
The worst case was only 24 wins in 100 spins. If you can find a way to stay within table limits, and profit any time you get at least 24 wins in 100 spins, you would have the grail. But good luck, because it can not be done!
The answer is easy.....at LuckoftheIrish...it's impossible yes, if we play every spin. :)
Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Sep 02, 02:50 AM 2015
I just tested over 15 million single zero spins and analyzed H/L.
The worst case was only 24 wins in 100 spins. If you can find a way to stay within table limits, and profit any time you get at least 24 wins in 100 spins, you would have the grail. But good luck, because it can not be done!
Thanks LuckoftheIrish,
After your 'over 15 million single zero spins and analyzed H/L'.
Your testing confirmed those facts that...
1]Worst possible of RNG, EC bet could be ONLY24 hit, in 100spin!
2]The "Bet selection", of simply bet either High/Low, B/R, or E/O, are not a
wise selection.
It pretty much, betting on luck.
Your testing confirmed that, simply bet any rigid EC, flatbet, will have swing of max.= -52loss, negative, to +40plus win.
That 2 fact we learned today..thanks.
Now, if u could do more testing, u will surprised to see that some bet selection will stay, losing within losing around the EDGE.
eg, EC flatbet, should lose -3 in 111spins [roulette].
Then after millions spins test, if the bet selection, keep hitting 'lose' of around -3,-4,-5losses. [per 111spins]
Then u will very confident that your next 111spins, will only lose a few units, then what u going to do about this???
Progression wise?
Variance wise?
and you not far from your HG!
Thanks for sharing.
Appreciate them!
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Ps. This is how we should debate on forum.
mutual respect and civilized courtesy.
i dont think there is a bet selection that always loses the house edge.
You always have a factor called luck.
If i would be betting black and red the same time. I could catch a winning streak of 111 spins without 0. So i didnot lose like i should. Ofcourse it's also the other way around. I could catch alot of 0 while betting red and black and end up with losing more then 2.7%.
If you can avoid that horror sequence any bet selection will do or do i mis something importent here?
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 02, 05:17 AM 2015
i dont think there is a bet selection that always loses the house edge.
You always have a factor called luck.
If i would be betting black and red the same time. I could catch a winning streak of 111 spins without 0. So i didnot lose like i should. Ofcourse it's also the other way around. I could catch alot of 0 while betting red and black and end up with losing more then 2.7%.
If you can avoid that horror sequence any bet selection will do or do i mis something importent here?
Thanks Ray for your post,
Since u could do tracker,
then try a few betselection posted by others in this very forum, and u will find a few that hit to lose around the house edge.
Since we cant foresee future, then we need to accept , that when Murphy law, come a visiting, we need to cut loss.
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[One of the disheartening, is to see active activity, of people keep searching for bet selection that will overcome edge, instead of accepting edge as UNAVOIDABLE, but rather EMBRACE it, treat them a special guest, instead of making them enemy!]
there will never selection overcome edge, they will swing widely from positive win , and negative losing.
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If u found a bet selection that
CONSTANTLY LOSE AROUND HOUSE EDGE,
then simulate them, for say, EC, for 111spins set, and then for millions set,
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why 111, not 100, because, zero is 1 of the 37numbers, and 37x3=111,
then u will see, as the math boys, [had arguing, and swear, till their eyes balls bulged, that zero always hit 3 time per 111spins.]
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Then u will confident that your selected bet selection, will hit, losing only, say max, -5, or -6, in next 111spins.
THEN think hard, how are u going to take advantage , of this ???
how to build progression, around this???
How to tackle variance around this???
how to avoid losses in progression???
The bulb lighten up in your head already???
if no, think hard, very hard.
I believe many newbie, and some not so old-timer,
learned a valuable lesson in gambling.
Thanks Ray.
Did some coding.
Here are my results:
3 Mil spins from spielbank
3.347.988 units profit
Highest progression: 2 units
Session is 111 spins
4 losing sessions:
491175: 4 won - 4 lost - 50% - -12 units
1253967: 5 won - 5 lost - 50% - -12 units
1549893: 7 won - 7 lost - 50% - -12 units
3049503: 6 won - 6 lost - 50% - -12 units
Also tested it on 66k playtech spins and 10k dublinbet spins. The same results only no losing sessions.
Yes- I have a bet selection like this that does what you say.
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THEN think hard, how are u going to take advantage , of this ???
how to build progression, around this???
How to tackle variance around this???
how to avoid losses in progression???
Now I am thinking of how to turn it into a HG! :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 02, 06:56 AM 2015
Yes- I have a bet selection like this that does what you say.
Now I am thinking of how to turn it into a HG! :)
A.
Hi Alantis,
Want to share your betselection? If not public maybe by private message? Maybe we can find a solution together
Dear P.A,
I'd like to ask you a small question about the progression..
You note, as one of the conditions, building a progression, in your posts, but at the same time you write all flatbet. So, what is the right way in your opinion?
Regards, M.
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 02, 09:03 AM 2015
Dear PA (Falkor, Reyth, John Legend, Kimo),
I see your hook....................................think I'll keep swimming, but I'm sure other fools will happily take your bait......................oops.......looks like they already have!!! :sad2:
Hi TheLaw,
with respect.
Please, please,please...
I do not want to argue for sake of arguing.
Please...
I see that u quick to , err, sorry to say, quick to lose temper, and scold people , when people post something u could not accept.
Why must it so???
This is just a forum for discussion, and here, I did not ask any monetary...or try to fleece anyone.
Members did PM me, but I didnt reply lest, being accused being sort of ..Machiavellian scheme.
Please...
I didnt say anything bad about your methods, I just say, if u understand more , and make some adjustment, tweaking, then u have your own HG.
When people say,"Asian Flat Nose"..I reply,"my Asian Nose really flat, hahaha".
I take no offense, as my nose really flat, hahahaa.,,and that a reality, [so what,
proud being a Chinese, descendent of dragon.]
Take thing easy, no need to become angry..Maybe u, a disciplined guy, and u hate and cant tolerate "nonsense" people..
Nevertheless, I see u are very motivated, hardworking, and did lots of testing...and still cant see, where gone ...err..wrong.
This topic, is about how to solve riddle, no asking for any dollar.
thanks
Happy you not take it the wrong way :thumbsup:
My wife is Asian and she always talks about that she want a bigger nose lol....anyway. ...your riddle isn't that difficult if.... you play every spin or not ?
Denzie
I understand what you are saying and agree that if you could lower variance you could have a winning method. But I am not sure how to do this. I have tried many different bet selections and they all seem to have very bad losing streaks and variance.
:-X :-X :-X :twisted:
Quote from: martinnng on Sep 02, 09:26 AM 2015
Dear P.A,
I'd like to ask you a small question about the progression..
You note, as one of the conditions, building a progression, in your posts, but at the same time you write all flatbet. So, what is the right way in your opinion?
Regards, M.
Quote from: martinnng on Sep 02, 09:26 AM 2015
Dear P.A,
I'd like to ask you a small question about the progression..
You note, as one of the conditions, building a progression, in your posts, but at the same time you write all flatbet. So, what is the right way in your opinion?
Regards, M.
Hi M,
The flatbet and the progression..
ok, first thing first...
1] Bet selection.
U need a bet selection,
that, when u do testing, with FLATBET=1unit,
if bet EC, flatbet, for 111spins, testing, will only LOSE -3,or -4,or -5 units.
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Why FLATBET, and WHY LOSE?, WHY NOT WIN?
ok..
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FLATBET, that mean bet , just ONE unit..for testing the bet selection, to see whether the bet selection, condone to the house edge, CONSISTENTLY.
That mean, everytime u test that EC bet selection, it will produce only a few losses...accordingly to the math expectation, the law of probability, the law of house edge.
That cant denied by the math boys.
There will never be a BET selection, that win over the house edge, never.
So we embrace the "Only-LOSE a few chips per 111spins", as the best u could have.
The casino consistently, make sure that their wheel, always produce balanced EC result.
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IF, a bet selection, that when test for 111spins, flatbet, produce marvelous 10,20,30units, to much of your delight,
but when test further, will, produce, surprise...-10,-20,-30unit losses flatbet!..and back to the house edge. after thousands spins.
So u need a bet selection that will lose a few after 111 spins, constantly, and consistently...
That The BEST selection, u could get.
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Why losing, not winning bet selection?
Simply because, THEY CANNOT EXIST!!!
People always in denial, and try to make a bet selection that win over the edge..
after thousand of ideas, and millions of test, they still persist, and still do, today!
sort of gambling alchemy..
I am the first one to tell openly, that the bet selection, that only lose to the house EDGE, is the BEST u can lay your hand on!!!
But I do get a few scorn, due to TRYING to sell my HG..hehehee
but no one force anyone to buy from any body..caveat emptor!hehehe
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the progression.
After when u have the BET selection, [that after many-many million of "111spins/set", and they constantly losing ONLY a few units...]
Then u will highly confident that in the NEXT 111spins, if flatbet, will lose ONLY a few units,
if u highly confident that in the NEXT 111spins, if flatbet,
will lose ONLY a few units,
THEN, how are u going to build your progression AROUND,
the "only lose few unit in 111spins" bet selection.???
Do u really understand what I try to tell u???
This short lecture worth million dollar, and save u thousand of hours, of reading, testing, and head banging on table...and run around the same spot...heheee.
u may read this topic, but caution, make no bidding..hahahaa
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15849.45 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15849.45)
Quote from: P.A on Sep 02, 10:54 AM 2015
if bet EC, flatbet, for 111spins, testing, will only LOSE -3,or -4,or -5 units.
111 spins = 37 & 3 !!!!
A cycle of 37 spins normally means some type of "law of the third" system ?
Not sure how/if that can be used with EC bets ?
PLEASE don't reply to me beat-the-wheel you didn't to the last question I asked, so pls
keep it that way ;)
O0
Quote from: denzie on Sep 02, 10:50 AM 2015
Happy you not take it the wrong way :thumbsup:
My wife is Asian and she always talks about that she want a bigger nose lol....anyway. ...your riddle isn't that difficult if.... you play every spin or not ?
Denzie
To be honest. I don't see a good solution.
If i wait for 60 reds and then start betting black i would win. But what if the blacks are hitting early.
You never know when a streaks begins or ends. You only know you will get 30 black and 70 red. So if you had 50 spins and 25 blacks the odds are against you. If you want better odd you have to hope for lots of reds in the beginning of your 100 spins.
A hint in the right direction would be nice.
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 02, 11:04 AM 2015
111 spins = 37 & 3 !!!!
A cycle of 37 spins normally means some type of "law of the third" system ?
Not sure how/if that can be used with EC bets ?
PLEASE don't reply to me beat-the-wheel you didn't to the last question I asked, so pls
keep it that way ;)
O0
Hi ddarko,
with respect.
No,
111spin,
is because zero is one of the 37numbers in euro roulette wheel.
EC in the wheel, only corresponded to 36numbers.
the ZERO, is the pesky House EDGE. thus 1/37
111, is just three times the 37..[37x3=111], with 3 zero, in 111spin,
law of probability.
It is just simple probability law.
Thanks.
Helo Roulette Ghost,
with respect.
Please....
Why are u so unhappy with me?
I never say anything bad about yours,
why the unhappiness?
I just say the,
[should be taken private] 4matrix, will lose if variance hit.
Whats wrong by pointing out that?
Thanks.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 02, 11:21 AM 2015
Helo Roulette Ghost,
with respect.
Please....
Why are u so unhappy with me?
I never say anything bad about yours,
why the unhappiness?
I just say the,
[should be taken private] 4matrix, will lose if variance hit.
Whats wrong by pointing out that?
Thanks.
You ask why i am so unhappy with you
My answer: leading people and dragging people on. Riddles. Claim to have a system for sale but never listed it for sale with a sale link. And you claim to have a HG
Lots of us have been here a long time. We have seen this countless times
Oh and you created a thread claiming if your riddle is solved the casino will close down. So you are a troll
Any system that does not produce ONE winner within the first 3 spins is ready for the discard pile
This PA vcat is a fake. Does not even rank amateur status in my book.
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Quote from: Tamino on Sep 02, 11:30 AM 2015
Any system that does not produce ONE winner within the first 3 spins is ready for the discard pile
I think you got a very unrealistic expectation of a roulettesystem, you win you lose, that's the nature of the game, if you win more than you lose, that's good. imo
RouletteGhost,
with respect.
Please...
If people post reply, I need to reply.
We are having lively discussion,
when people post reply,
I get motivated, and the eagerness to reply,
taking over the better part of me, and I post more and more..
When I get respond, I eagerly responded...
The "Feeling of IMPORTANT", and the "EGO" in my subconcious emotion, take over
the logic half of my brain, and I EAGERLY, make more longggg posting.
Just like your respond to my question, "Why u unhappy with me", make me sit up, and eagerly write this post reply...
Though I understand the psychology of human mind perfectly,
I also, just a weak human being, and I succumbed to the urge of my ego mind to respond to your reply!!!
or the attention I get is FLATTERING!
Nothing wrong with that.
If U could draw people attention, to your own thread, with a mind raking topic,
and get many responding posts...
I will not accuse u of any names, or sort.
I may read your thread and topic, If I intrigued, I may ask a few or post my opinion..
If I do not like what I read , I just leave the merry party...
as u see, I seldom post reply at others thread.
nothing wrong with that...
I just wonder why u and thelaw always feel unhappy with me?
I did not ask people to pay me any money, I just say bid, and I may refuse the bidder bid.
Nothing wrong with that..
and I see no one crashing down my door with any worthwhile offer!
it just bid, and offer, caveat emptor!
P.A. I always have a bit of trouble understanding your writing. Maybe that's partly my fault for trying to read too quick.
Anyway, I have a question for you. Are you saying that you have come up with a strategy which reduces the variance to just a few losses every 100 spins and this means any half decent MM will ensure that you walk away with a profit. At least that it is how I am reading it. But then you mention Murphy's Law and that law dictates that anything that can happen will happen. I am not trying to catch you out or anything. I am just trying hard to understand what you are saying. You seem to jump around in your posts to all sorts of different scenarios and it all gets gets very confusing.
Would it be possible to write down in one post what it is that you are actually claiming you can achieve. I think that would help move the conversation on and then some people (including myself) wouldn't just feel everything was going around in riddles and also that you are genuinely trying to impart some knowledge.
Thank you.
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After when u have the BET selection, [that after many-many million of "111spins/set", and they constantly losing ONLY a few units...
Then u will highly confident that in the NEXT 111spins, if flatbet, will lose ONLY a few units,
if u highly confident that in the NEXT 111spins, if flatbet,
will lose ONLY a few units,
THEN, how are u going to build your progression AROUND,
the "only lose few unit in 111spins" bet selection.???
Do u really understand what I try to tell u???
This short lecture worth million dollar, and save u thousand of hours, of reading, testing, and head banging on table...and run around the same spot...heheee.
I have listened to P.A and found a suitable bet selection. One that fits in with his criteria.
I think I understand what he means about engineering a progression to ensure a profit after 100+ spins (or even before then) too.
So now I will try it and see how it pans out over time and many sessions and see if I can make profits as expected.
Because for right now - I cannot be totally sure it will work in the long run - but nevertheless I do feel confident.
I've had confidence before and have later been disappointed, so I very much hope this time it will be different. I think it will.
I will say I might not even have explored this had I not been "encouraged" and "steered" by P.A's topics into trying a bit harder with existing method.(s)
This does not mean I have discovered a "grail" as I cannot yet KNOW just yet if and whether I am right at all.
I actually think there could be several types of "grails" out there; some that have already been discovered or are waiting to be discovered by folks; so I take on board what has been said by P.A via his hints and advice and keep trying in my own personal way.
A.
@atlantis
Great #27 post.........and wishing you good luck in your test.
Please report back.
@P.A.
Interesting thread you have here, though forgive me for being a little pushy here, but would you move the discussion on a pace, and get to the nub of the action...please...(pretty please).
Less reply witter, and more imparting of disassembly of your riddle solution.
Cheers
"if u highly confident that in the NEXT 111spins, if flatbet,
will lose ONLY a few units,
THEN, how are u going to build your progression AROUND,
the "only lose few unit in 111spins" bet selection.???
Do u really understand what I try to tell u???"
Yes, I understand your viewing of flatbet/progression using.
BUT, what kind of progression do you prefer? Because the progression must fit the specific method. The progression of EC method will be totally different from the progression of inside betting for example 2 numbers.
I read your other topic link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15849.45 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15849.45)
AND:
"In the next 20years,
when more and more people knows how to beat the wheel,
casino will close shop, one by one, or change rules for roulette and BACCARAT."
BACCARAT = your method is EC method?
Law and RG
Please....pretty please with feckin bells on....stop the jibes at Moderators and disrupting posts.
I have asked you nicely
If you dislike the post then dont take part. Its tedious to watch.
If you persist in ignoring the forum rules I will have to give you a short ban.
That would be ridiculous.
Its your choice
Quote from: Turner on Sep 02, 04:50 PM 2015
Law and RG
Please....pretty please with feckin bells on....stop the jibes at Moderators and disrupting posts.
I have asked you nicely
If you dislike the post then dont take part. Its tedious to watch.
If you persist in ignoring the forum rules I will have to give you a short ban.
That would be ridiculous.
Its your choice
Yay....I second that. :thumbsup:
its very very very hard to bite your tongue and stay quiet when this forum has such potential but guys like this show up every few months and try to scam people. it is frustrating. I digress
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 02, 05:57 PM 2015
its very very very hard to bite your tongue and stay quiet when this forum has such potential but guys like this show up every few months and try to scam people. it is frustrating. I digress
Better to just not post. You are keeping a topic alive and helping the "scammer".....as I am doing by replying. :o
Quote from: helena on Sep 02, 06:37 PM 2015
Better to just not post. You are keeping a topic alive and helping the "scammer".....as I am doing by replying. :o
Not questioning the "scammer" is what helps him/her, IMHO......
O0
in a perfect world if the OP was ignored and not a single person replied what then? they would simply leave
I haven't been on this site very long but seeing how this place operates is mind blowing. I'm out. It's been fun - good luck in your search.
thelaw, 2cat, GLC, thank you for your efforts.
Quote from: 1eleven on Sep 02, 09:31 PM 2015
I haven't been on this site very long but seeing how this place operates is mind blowing. I'm out. It's been fun - good luck in your search.
thelaw, 2cat, GLC, thank you for your efforts.
If u can see past the crap this is the best roulette forum out there. The others are much much worse.
Theres some great minds here. Search thru old threads
If u must leave then be a lurking guest
One thing i agree with P.A. ....if you don't like this thread then stop reading and replying.
Now for those who wanna give P.A. the benefit of the doubt. .....
@P.A..... there are some questions asked so can you pls answer them ?
If he wishes to not answer then we all need to be silent and let this fade away. It's as easy as that. So again i shoot mine...you play every spin or not? Based on your answer i will TRY to solve your riddle.
Thx in advance.
Denzie
Quote from: denzie on Sep 02, 10:52 PM 2015
One thing i agree with P.A. ....if you don't like this thread then stop reading and replying.
Now for those who wanna give P.A. the benefit of the doubt. .....
@P.A..... there are some questions asked so can you pls answer them ?
If he wishes to not answer then we all need to be silent and let this fade away. It's as easy as that. So again i shoot mine...you play every spin or not? Based on your answer i will TRY to solve your riddle.
Thx in advance.
Denzie
Agreed :thumbsup:
the rules=u could only bet black.
and bet any way u wish....
solve this riddle. u had a HG!!!
and of course, u wont published them [your hg] here. would u...?!
why sould u???
hahahaww!
heheheheheee!
Hi Martin Ng, and Wiggy,
Thanks for your reply.and questioning,
appreciate them!
We do not reduce the variance, as we cant predict future, we may avoid variance!..just like when u going to cross the busy street, u did not just DASH across the road, that suicidal, U wait till it safe, and then cross the road..safely,...there few members here understand variance perfectly, just PM them, maybe they will help u, or just read their posts.
Murply Law, ...No HG can win 100% of season attempted, but will lose once in or around , say,10 seasons, when the Murphy comes...
BUT a HG losses, could , OFFSET, by a few more seasons of win...like lose 10u, cut loss, then another 2, or 3 season, recoup the losses.
Martin Ng,
The method I explain, could be use on EC, or Dozen, etc...reread my longgg posting in the "HG FOR SALE", read sloooooowlllyyyy, and for many-many time, and u will eureka..
BUT, no BIDDING, Please, For I get scold for trying to get the BID....heheheee.. no more selling now, just SHARING...
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I am the ONLY person, in the world to tell the world, that the BET selection that lose, within the EDGE, is the BEST selection, one could have.
This indisputable by the math boys,
But the math boys never realised this!
AND build your progression around the selection, and with some tweak, the casino soon closing down!, or CHANGE rules!
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SADLY group of people, instead of opening their mind, still want to balk at me,
and still insist testing BET selections, that hoping to win OVER the EDGE, and progression that go up to horrible staking!!!
THERE WILL BE NO SELECTION, THAT WIN OVER THE EDGE! NEVER!
INSTEAD look for one that lose within EDGE ...CONSTANTLY and CONSISTENTLY!!!
Accept this fact and save thousand hours of heartache and headache!
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copy this, and read for million time, u soon understand...
Look for one that lose within EDGE ...CONSTANTLY and CONSISTENTLY!!!
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as u see,
while others still testing and testing selection, and progression...
I AM THE ONE IN THE WORLD TO TELL U, THAT A BET SELECTION, THAT LOSE ONLY THE EDGE, IS THE BEST SELECTION.!
[sorry to boasting, need to feed my evil ego...hahahawha:haww]
thanks
I think im invisible. ... but anyway i got my answer. You wait till it's safe to get in. (Or cross the street).
So how would i do it ? As EC's always level out in let's say 1000spins...
Wait +/- 90 spins and go in for 10-20 spins. Flat with 1units.
If we not get ahead i would look another +/-90 and go in again for 10-20spins flat with 2units.....etc.
(+/-90 could be 100 also...as i didn't test it).
Anyway this what my feeling tell me.
What you guys think?
Denzie
@denzie
Sounds good on paper, tho unless playing online, how could one wait that long in front of a real wheel ?
That's the rule of "Timing" I mentioned few days ago (think most ppl missed it!)
@P.A.
Can I ask, and I think most ppl/members/guests would be thinking this themselves too)...
why do you need to feed your ego with such long overhyped posts, when your ego would be best served by just
showings/telling the good visitors here, what it is that your are trying to impart?
We all know about the EDGE, we all know about VARIANCE and we all know that a straight EC bet will balance up IN THE LONG RUN.
So, just share what you have found, in a step by step way, rather like GreatGrampa did a few years ago.
His method of informing was so refreshing and business like.
He showed the true way of teaching and sharing.
I would like to know more......but not at the expense of reading endless repetitive posts,
when most readers will have already digested your past threads.
How about giving the members/guests a chronology of how YOU discovered this apparent oversight
on how to beat the game, but stay close to the EDGE?
Cheers
Now this discussion get more interesting!
today we go into the technical..
the newbie, and some not so old-timer may find this very hard to understand...
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ok..
The math boys say, probability dictate that roulette EC, will
hit 3losses in 111spins...that in theory.
they right!
The reality is the Bet selection,
of "SIMPLY choose a red or black", will have a very wide swing of +70wins.
and swing to get only 30wins/111spins!!!
and any progression, even the flatbet will lose teribbly...
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ok..
Say U found a Bet selection, that always LOSE, -3u, or -4, or -5u.
Then how the math?
111 minus , say -5=106/2=53win/111spins. -58lose/111.
53win=+53, minus -58=-5u loss=-4.5%
so if your Bet selection, always produce around 4 to 5% losses.
and u very confident that it will always that way, since u had test million 111spins/set.
How are u going to build your progression, around the 4 to 5% losses.
-4...-5.. -6units losses.???
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111minus, 11losses=100/2=50win/111, -61lose/111
50 win=+50 minus -61=-11loss=9.9%losses
if u confident your selection will have,
around 50wins, in next 111spins..
How U going to build progression AROUND the 'only 50win'/111spins???
And now u understand WHY, a constant , and consistently ..only LOSING within the HOUSE EDGE, is utmost IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And I see that u fully understand how my HG work,
or rather your future HG work!
And now u UNDERSTAND WHY progressions..are VERY DEADLY, if your bet selection, SWING WIDELY!!!!!!!!!!
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Today many members here, learn a new lesson, never taught anywhere in the world.
I am the first one out of 7billions on earth to tell u this!
Opps! Sorry to BOASSTING!
hehehee, need to feed the EGO in my weaker-subconcious mind..hehehee
thanks
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 03, 02:09 AM 2015
@P.A.
We all know about the EDGE, we all know about VARIANCE and we all know that a straight EC bet will balance up IN THE LONG RUN.
I would like to know more......but not at the expense of reading endless repetitive posts,
How about giving the members/guests a chronology of how YOU discovered this apparent oversight
on how to beat the game, but stay close to the EDGE?
Cheers
Dear Chrisbis,
with due respect.
ALL the RESPECTED members here know;
HOW the EDGE, VARIANCE, RTM, ECART, LAWS of whatever, the charts, and series/single, the table's, the carpet, the hidden computer,the physic, the psychic,the side kicks, the wheel's numbers ,pie,cake,icecream, .."
."I am the one in the world, to tell u that,
the "apparent oversight" bet selection.
Dear Chrisbis,
if u really an OLD-TIMER,
If u really understood, what being conveyed,
u already turn your methods into, a HG.
whether EC, DZ, CL,DS, NUKE,HEMI,SEMI,DEMI,CREAMY. ETC.
Stop boasting then. Simple..... I like learning something NEW !
Anyways...back to chicken diners.
In this example>>>
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111 minus , say -5=106/2=53win/111spins. -58lose/111.
53win=+53, minus -58=-5u loss=-4.5%
why is the 106 divided by 2 ? ...is it 2 EC's? because you seem to have lost the effect of Zero
I always thought, on a Euro wheel, that there are Three possible outcomes when playing EC's
Black, Red or Zero
and since you have only minused 5 losses from the 111 total spins, that would mean you are saying, that within all those 5 loses, you have hit the zero 3 times!
Now we all know that Zero can come along a a fairly regular frequency, so how are you factoring the Zero in the above computation?
PA.....STOP WAFFLING
Basically, by being cagey, long winded and irritating, you are making sure you get a bigger audience.
You have typed the same things over and over and its clearly upsetting people with all this soft soap
You are now a catalyst for others getting warnings.
Stop the waffle and get to the point and put us all out of our misery
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 03, 02:40 AM 2015
I always thought, on a Euro wheel, that there are Three possible outcomes when playing EC's
Black, Red or Zero
and since you have only minused 5 losses from the 111 total spins, that would mean you are saying, that within all those 5 loses, you have hit the zero 3 times!
Now we all know that Zero can come along a a fairly regular frequency, so how are you factoring the Zero in the above computation?
no,no,no, and I thought u an old-timer.
the pesky GREEN, and the opposite win, is part of the win/loss..
oh sorry,
just say win/loss ratio, and u understand...
53win/ -58losses=-5u loss=-4.5%...
simple to understand..hehehee
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The math boys , dictates that, EC bet selection will never win over H.edge, ok accept that.
And reality dictate that, any simple EC will swing to 30win to 70win in 111spins.
So u need to have a bet selection, that always HIT WITHIN THE MATH EXPECTATION!
The math boys say, 3% in 111spin, is the EDGE expectation, in long run,
so if your bet selection , always hit around 3%, then u only have the EDGE to tackle WITH!..only 3%...that easy meat for u...
In reality, U must have a bet selection, that hit AROUND 3%..
around, mean, u may hit more than 3%, say 4,5,6%...
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Hey, what about say 10%???
ok...
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111minus, 11losses=100/2=50win/111, -61lose/111
50 win=+50 minus -61=-11loss=9.9%losses
if u confident your selection will have,
around 50wins, in next 111spins..
How U going to build progression AROUND the 'only 50win'/111spins???
[that also easy meat for u!]
And now u understand WHY, a constant , and consistently ..only LOSING within the HOUSE EDGE, is utmost IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Turner on Sep 03, 02:44 AM 2015
PA.....STOP WAFFLING
Basically, by being cagey, long winded and irritating, you are making sure you get a bigger audience.
You have typed the same things over and over and its clearly upsetting people with all this soft soap
You are now a catalyst for others getting warnings.
Stop the waffle and get to the point and put us all out of our misery
Dear Respected Turner,
Sorry for u to think so,
you feel bored, and frustrated..and a little anger...
it because you an old timer, and u easily understand what I convey here.
But others, seems to , very difficult to understand a simple theory.
so , the need of ....
REPETITIVE.
Human, and other non human, need to learn by repetitive action, and reminding..Thats why , we Chinese, learn kung fu, by repetitive action...ask Jacky Chan, Jet Li, or any martial art practitioner.
Little kids learn the arithmetic, by doing the same, and chanting, 2x2=4, 2x3=6...so on.
The same people learn to cook, to sew, to paint, magician, musician,to read laws, to become brain surgeon.
Lassie also learn by repetitive, so does the stallion, the parrots, the chimps...
How can a person move on, before understand the very basic , if I move on, people will accuse me of saying nonsense!
Even I just start a single page, people already accuse me of troll and scammer...Why, because they cant understand, and dont want to understand...they want quick action, and they want it NOW!
And after people read, and reread repetitively, they began to ask PERTINENT, but real good question. step, by step..
people who didnt want to take the initiative to repetitive, will like, rushing to airport..and, hijack a pilotless jet...and shout
"Quick, tell me how to fly this 777 jetliner, I cant wait to fly this to Beijing!
And I want to know NOW!!!"
hahahaaaawawaw
PA.....not bored and frustrated just fed up with dealing with people you are p*ssing off.
Now lets start with a one word reply. You can do it!
I suggest something like...OK or Gotcha
Dear Respected Turner.
OK and GOTCHA!
Thanks.
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Ok , Lets move one, no more repetitive.
whether u understand or not, will not be my problem.
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What u gonna do after millions 111sets testing,
and found a valid bet selection?
[that hit within math expectation],
we will very confident , the winning hit,
will HIT within expectation of math.
say EC=around 48hit/100, more or less.
So we now bet a very mild progression,
around the perceived ,
of 48hit/100, or 53/111spins...more or less.
we cant predict future, so more or less.
if Murphy Law visit, the we cut loss,
take the losses, and hope the next few seasons will off set.
So u see the bet selection, that lose within EDGE and Math expectation, utmost important.!!!
Thanks for reading.
@Chrisbis....of course this is impossible in a landcasino. But i wonder if it would really work. Cuz if it does....well there are many online live casino's who spin 24/7....in other words, team up with 1 or 2 partners in crime.
Can some of the guys here check that with there database? Maybe split them in 100spin sessions and then bet flat for 11 spins.
I'm really curious what that would give........who willing to help us out?
Two options here: flat all the way or soft progression +1/-1 ??
Denzie
RX guys ? Ignatus? Probash? Etc...
Gentlemen,
Since many reader here , no so old-timer,
my wording may caused some confusion..
sorry about that.
1]Flatbet, and progression..had caused confusion..
Just forget Flatbet,
change it to win/loss ratio.
eg.
Bet selection with flatbet will hit48/100...
change to
Bet selection with win/lose, will hit 48/52...[48%], [48/100]
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Progression =any mild progression.
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[Bet selection, that always hit around math]=
change to
Bet selection that have high hit ratio, but not over their supposedly EDGE.
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eg.
EC bet selection, will not hit higher than -3, in 111spins.
-3=house edge in 111spins
thus 100% hit for over 55win/111spins, long term=impossible.
53win,52win,51win,50win...=within math expectation.
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Thus if your Bet selection, will constantly,
have more or less 50win/111spins.
how are u going to bet to win?
with mild progression?
or without progression.?
thanks.
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