First...im really sorry! Lol! Yes this is about the stuff P.A. posted.
Uhm...if you already are raising your eyebrows pls not read any further.
If your P.A. pls not respond with the same story over and over again.
However he did made me think :wink:
As im playing my stuff on a daily basis (500-1000spins) i couldn't stop thinking about his thread.
So i started to embrace the edge and i came out in profit without a sweat. Maybe we can team up to find the best way to play this..
I just used red and black. ..if one is behind 1-3% i started betting it....surprise surprise. ....i got in profit very fast.
Few questions : how much is the maximum % u saw red/black behind? (Most casino's provide that info).
And you guys would look the % or track 100 spins out of 111 and then go in ?
Would you keep it flat or use a mild progression?
Maybe i was just lucky , maybe P.A. needs attention or is a scammer. But just maybe he's right.
Again leave the negativity behind and the same story over and over too. Anyone wanna help ?
Denzie
I think that GLC presented a very effective way to test any system by expecting 75% loss. Also, keep in mind the that one ec must win 30% of the time within 200 spins, although you could probably rely on 30% in 100 spins and be safe.
I have yet to find a system to beat these numbers using the "edge" or otherwise.
There is however, something to be said for riding the waves with a stop-loss measure in place to secure bank, but it would require hit-and-run to be effective.
Also, note that PA presented zero new info, but just material cobbled together from other posts. The "edge" idea has been around for a long time, and debunked as a strategy many times. Ask GLC to find out the origins; I'm sure he knows about it.
I have yet to see a superior bet selection, but I do think that one exists.
A large Labby (30 lines-5000 units needed) is the most effective strategy I've seen so far along with the Target Betting System if you have a bank of 30,000 units. :thumbsup:
Well i can say from my experience. ...if i get 47% then it ALMOST every time catching up fast...i think the lowest i saw was 42% if im not mistaken. But i saw that only once.
Can we not use this? Bet 10x 1u...still down. ..bet 10x 2u....10x 3u........
Or im thinking really the wrong way here?
Denzie
I also found a bet that fits in with PA's criteria and HE considerations quite well.
Similar to denzie idea
Latest session:
=========
111 spins played.
Profit = +11
Max. DrawDown = 5
53 bets - 31 won; 22 lost
Highest Bet=2 (mild progression)
Win/Loss = 58.49%w; 41.5%L
Starting Bank = 100
Ending Bank = 111
Lowest Bank = 95
Find a bet that wins a little flatbet or loses a little flatbet each time around 111 spins.
Get the right mild progression.
Hopefully consistent long term winner.
Quote
Bet 10x 1u...still down. ..bet 10x 2u....10x 3u........
I am using best of 5 progression.
Best regards,
A.
Quote from: denzie on Sep 03, 02:40 PM 2015
Well i can say from my experience. ...if i get 47% then it ALMOST every time catching up fast...i think the lowest i saw was 42% if im not mistaken. But i saw that only once.
Can we not use this? Bet 10x 1u...still down. ..bet 10x 2u....10x 3u........
Or im thinking really the wrong way here?
Denzie
What about hit-and-run for each series loss? Just move to another table and look for a discrepancy?
Atlantis can you explain
If an EC is behind the other EC you bet that EC with say:
11111
22222
33333
44444
Denzie, what is your profit target , if you win let say 2units ,at the first attempt , do you start new session?
What is stoploss , if you use progression?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 03:05 PM 2015
Atlantis can you explain
If an EC is behind the other EC you bet that EC with say:
11111
22222
33333
44444
Hi RG,
You have right progression for "best of 5" (and I always reduce to 1u if ahead or level)... but I am not betting the way you describe. Yes, it is EC system using Red and Black chances, and I use R/B simply because results are easier to see on wheel and marquee.
It's based on P.A's hints and tips - so I'm still tinkering to try and optimise it for best safety etc...
P.A also alluded to virtual betting and I may want to or need to incorporate that in some degree or measure. He also mentioned just betting one side of an EC eg. BLACK.
A.
Baccarat player called gr8player calls it the gr8 progression
Bet 1 unit 5 times. If down 2 units 5 times. If down 3 units 5 times.
At any time even or new high back to 1 unit
Ive read here years ago that people swore on this progression for double dozens.
Perhaps it can be tweaked on double dozens
A bit off topic but a little in line with RG's progression idea and this has most likely be thought of before, trying a +1 progression on single dozens FTL. Here is a test session I did just for fun to see how it would go. Largest bet was 12 units.
Helena nothin in roulette is due BUT ur idea might be awesome after waiting some virtual losses
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 07:01 PM 2015
Helena nothin in roulette is due BUT ur idea might be awesome after waiting some virtual losses
Just remember the balance, virtual losses can help cut out some losses, but you can also miss out on some of those wins :thumbsup:
O0
The following link will take you to a topic that is very related to this topic.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13494.msg122555#msg122555 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13494.msg122555#msg122555)
Especially note reply #9.
Thanks george. Will try to wrap my head around it
Judging by colbsters response and others it looks very promising
Too bad people lose interest and move on so quick
George it looks like original poster was betting for correction while you bet with the trend for the opposite of correction?
Gentlemen.
Please stop , and take this through PM or email.
if his spread...
Casino will soon closing down, or change rules!
Before I posted the "HG for sale" and "Solve this..",
I thought people will not really understand.
[actually I had nothing to sell, why should I?
Just to grab attention!]
But I got handful of respected members thanks me, for this ideas.
My advice is ..
STOP,...and talk in private , or soon casino closing door!
This is serious.
[People who balked at me now show interest.]
sigh!
Quote from: P.A on Sep 03, 09:14 PM 2015
Gentlemen.
Please stop , and take this through PM or email.
if his spread...
Casino will soon closing down, or change rules!
Before I posted the "HG for sale" and "Solve this..",
I thought people will not really understand.
[actually I had nothing to sell, why should I?
Just to grab attention!]
But I got handful of respected members thanks me, for this ideas.
My advice is ..
STOP,...and talk in private , or soon casino closing door!
This is serious.
[People who balked at me now show interest.]
sigh!
PA,
Your scam failed. You lost.
Now please leave everyone to have a real debate without your trolling. :sad2:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 03, 09:27 PM 2015
PA,
Your scam failed. You lost.
Now please leave everyone to have a real debate without your trolling. :sad2:
GLC link focus on that. Forget P.A.
@thelaw...im not so much a fan of hit and run. I just don't trust it.
@Atlantis...i think P.A. also wait till one EC is behind as i do and then going in. It seems to work. It really does. I would bet +1 each time the EC is going 1% behind. Safe start (so far) is 47%. After playing a long time i didn't saw it going to 46% .......
@Ozon...if i hit in the start i just keep looking the %....as long im not 1% up I'll keep going. So far so good. But i would stop at 44% i think. Of course we all know if we keep going eventually we always catch up...just go grab some coffee then :P
Of course make sure your casino's info is correct and can be trusted...
Denzie
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 03, 09:27 PM 2015
PA,
Your scam failed. You lost.
Can we pls pls pls ignore this and focus on our target ?
We got something here...
We're old enough to keep it peaceful.
Cuz if things start heating up then soon or later it gets locked again.
Thx :)
Now please leave everyone to have a real debate without your trolling. :sad2:
TheLaw, and RG,
with respect,
Why must you always accuse me of being scammer?
Had anyone scammed by me before?
Or being induced by me to be cheated?
accusing me just "blacken" my face here.
Please........
did i hurt yr feeling before?
I need no nemesis.
I convey, one of the best HG idea, and hope u guys keep it to yourself.
sigh.......
ok, this my last in this topic.
thanks.
Beretta28 does the exact opposite lol...but 94 sessions without a bust :love:
This already fades away? Look at the link of GLC/Beretta28
:sad2: :(
Quote from: denzie on Sep 04, 08:44 AM 2015
This already fades away? Look at the link of GLC/Beretta28
:sad2: :(
I 2nd that
The link GLC posted is gold
O we'll. ..let's try it. :-X
Raymanz test this for a ton of spins? If u wish
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13494.msg122555#msg122555 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13494.msg122555#msg122555)
We'll. ...about Beretta28's system. ...it does get +2 .
But i can imagine some days it can be a grind..but its easy and fun to play.
And keep in mind 1u can be 10â,¬ or 50â,¬ or....up to the br and table limits. He mentioned winning 94 games without a bust. Nice. But at 2u profit a game that's 188u...and a bust would be how many ? Stop at level 5? Thats 150u. Or at level 10? Thats 550u. I also wonder how this would end of how far in the progression we need to go average and maximum. .... :smile:
Just made + 6 with Beretta28's. ..didn't get passed first level.
It does surprised me it can take some to get 5ahead .If it was at a real eheel then it would take very long. Also im more comfortable with getting +10 instead of +2... cuz a bust would wipe out a years profit.
Any thoughts how this could be perfected?
And another session finished. But this time i was looking the percentage red/black. Red was behind at 46%...started betting it and made a smooth 15u.
Denzie
I wonder...if a certain EC is behind? Theoretically it should ALWAYS catch up right? I know it could take a whole day but it should even out right? Cuz i played a few fast rng sessions and it seems to do that. I just bet the one that is behind 2% minimum. And i add 1u for each % it goes down. So far the results are very good.
For sure it cannot be this easy ???? :o
Or im forgetting something here?
Someone can help or give there thoughts pls?
Is that easy ? Or im drunk ? :wink:
Uhm...maybe i sound boring but...another +10 in 25minutes.
Highest level/% so far was 2u bets
Quote from: denzie on Sep 03, 02:12 PM 2015
First...im really sorry! Lol! Yes this is about the stuff P.A. posted.
Uhm...if you already are raising your eyebrows pls not read any further.
If your P.A. pls not respond with the same story over and over again.
However he did made me think :wink:
As im playing my stuff on a daily basis (500-1000spins) i couldn't stop thinking about his thread.
So i started to embrace the edge and i came out in profit without a sweat. Maybe we can team up to find the best way to play this..
I just used red and black. ..if one is behind 1-3% i started betting it....surprise surprise. ....i got in profit very fast.
Few questions : how much is the maximum % u saw red/black behind? (Most casino's provide that info).
And you guys would look the % or track 100 spins out of 111 and then go in ?
Would you keep it flat or use a mild progression?
Maybe i was just lucky , maybe P.A. needs attention or is a scammer. But just maybe he's right.
Again leave the negativity behind and the same story over and over too. Anyone wanna help ?
Denzie
You are lucky - you will see 3.0 SD and above - for example 14 reds and 2 blacks.
I play that way with a 30 step progression and it does not hold up
Can you explain it is what you do?
Im going in if a ec is behind. So technically if i keep betting it flat till my eyes get sleepy....should i not get back ? ? ? ? ?
I play 1u for 1% starting from 46%... i saw 44% today and then i shoot up like a rocket. (Rng fast spins )
Some time ago . When I read in another forum post Ego of Holloway progression, I started to use it after 10 same EC bets play in the gap of 10 spins, this is a rare event, yet progression very quickly landed on the point of no return,, with very deep drowdawn. Played in BV No zero RNG, and I saw strings of numbers coming under 5SD very quickly
I do not know if there is some sort of progression which can withstand the variations in the RNG. Even with big SD ,roulette play against us.
If we play a "no 0 wheel" ....and we got all the time in the world....shouldn't we get back even or ahead at some point with FLATBETS ?
So i got my +30 today (which is the same as 2 levels ...10x 1u and 10x 2u)...
Been playing 2 days now and i didn't got past level 2.
So if we can aim for +30 each session. .....
Isn't that good enough to win on the long run ?
After a bust i would stop. So we got the laws of probability, mm , and well no scary progression that soon or late can take back all we won cuz our br is crached.....
Thoughts?
Quote from: denzie on Sep 06, 08:52 AM 2015
So i got my +30 today (which is the same as 2 levels ...10x 1u and 10x 2u)...
Been playing 2 days now and i didn't got past level 2.
So if we can aim for +30 each session. .....
Isn't that good enough to win on the long run ?
After a bust i would stop. So we got the laws of probability, mm , and well no scary progression that soon or late can take back all we won cuz our br is crached.....
Thoughts?
Here's my thought. Don't play with money you can't afford to lose. Set a realistic stop loss and honor it no matter what. And have fun.
Continue to keep us posted. You'll eventually draw a crowd or you'll hit the wall. But if you hit the wall, you'll have learned a lot and so will we.
It's all good! :thumbsup:
Cheers,
GLC
You play in the short term not the long term, so you might be lucky.
But not with this method.
Cheers
It looked to good to be true....I'll keep going till I'll hit the wall.
But if i flatbet the ec that is behind...should i not catch up at some point ?????
Quote from: denzie on Sep 06, 04:30 PM 2015
It looked to good to be true....I'll keep going till I'll hit the wall.
But if i flatbet the ec that is behind...should i not catch up at some point ?????
Most of the time, you will catch up and leave a happy man. It's that time when you don't catch back up because the deviation was too great or the deviation stretched out over thousands of spins. The catch up is over big numbers. Over few numbers all hell can break loose.
Here's a thought. The same series of spins that took you to your lowest point so far can happen back to back and then what. There's nothing to say that random can't throw multiple series of bad runs at you.
Even with a 50/50 bet, you need a huge bankroll to guarantee against ruin. I've mentioned this before but when I was playing blackjack using the Revere advanced point count strategy, my records showed that I had a 1.5% advantage overall. I friend who was a mathematician calculated that I needed a 2,000 unit bankroll to have a 99% chance to continue playing without losing everything on a really bad down turn. I managed to survive but with the changes in the method of shuffling and using multiple decks and outright badgering by the casinos, it just got too hard to keep fighting the casinos.
If you like playing this system, just set your parameters and stick to them and see what happens. I guarantee that it's no worse than any of the other systems on the forums.
GLC
I'll give it a try...and go only 2 levels in the progession (30u).
If i can make 15-30u in 1 session then it could work. Will see. Coz each system loses sometime .... the question is if i have more winning sessions then losing sessions. ... Never try , never know.
And about catching up flat.... if we use the rng fast spins (1spin/2second) then we should get out the hole in a few hours. But it would take patience . And a big br to ectual make good money. But hey...if it works then I've got the time though :xd:
Thx for the advice GLC
Ego is right,
Sooner or later.
u will see only 1 or 2, or 3 win in 20 spins .
That why we need a very stable bet selection,
and variance avoidance management, too.
The million dollar question...
Do u have a stable bet selection,
and
what to do when variance HIT???
Quote from: P.A on Sep 06, 10:58 PM 2015
Ego is right,
Sooner or later.
u will see only 1 or 2, or 3 win in 20 spins .
Of course. ...everybody knows that.
But i use a very mild progression. If i can win my br back in 1 or 2 sessions then it's ok for me. I not need to win each session. ....if at the end of the week im in profit then it's just fine by me.
But i will see what happens. ...im playing 1â,¬ bets so it will not kill me.
And im playing long enough to see how the % swing.
Don't worry. ... ;)
Quote from: P.A on Sep 06, 10:58 PM 2015
Ego is right,
Sooner or later.
u will see only 1 or 2, or 3 win in 20 spins .
That why we need a very stable bet selection,
and variance avoidance management, too.
The million dollar question...
Do u have a stable bet selection,
and
what to do when variance HIT???
Yes, i have now. As the red/blacks already performed very good. I just made it more stable.
What do about variance (our personal losingstreak)... i ain't playing yet. But happy to see he finally arrived. Now it's time to carefully go in...
So far.....very good.
Boring ....yep
Highly effective ....yep
Hit the wall....not yet
Live...nope
Fast RNG...yep
What goes down does come up again...always
Denzie....
Are you still using wait till 46% and then jump in? What happens if you sit and the session comes at 50% or better for the entire time you are RNG spinning? Are you just sitting there not playing?
You also said in a more recent post that you "made it safer"....... how did you go about doing that?
I think I am getting closer to the right track, but the sessions where 50% or better would hit I am not making as many units "riding the wave" as I would be flat betting, sometimes even loss of units at 50% or better. But most of the sessions 49% and under show a profit instead of loss. Overall "riding the waves" is providing me with +31 units more over 2k bets then flat betting would be.
Ego-
Care to share the 30 step progression. Sounds interesting :thumbsup:
Quote from: Big EZ on Sep 24, 10:02 AM 2015
Denzie....
Are you still using wait till 46% and then jump in? What happens if you sit and the session comes at 50% or better for the entire time you are RNG spinning? Are you just sitting there not playing?
As I'm playing fast rng it doesn't take me to long before some ec get behind. I just click till my finger hurts. 45-46% is my trigger. Then I simply flatbet. If it would still going down (and it will) then I stop as soon as I'm losing 10units. Then I wait till it goes up again and flatbet 2u. If it going down again when you get in (and it will sometimes) I wait again till it goes up. And bet 3u....if it would go down more (rare event). STOP ....CUT LOSS
Quote from: Big EZ on Sep 24, 10:02 AM 2015
Denzie....
You also said in a more recent post that you "made it safer"....... how did you go about doing that?
Series vs singles ....go for the series.
You know if you look the statistics of your table...and you see let's say
on doz.
Doz 1 ...149
Doz 2 ...110
Doz 3 ...156........I can assure you if you flatbet doz 2 you will profit. But with live dealer that could take 3 days. So nobody gonna play that
Take any ec ....the ec that is behind.. now start betting it...you will profit at some point. No doubt. But again , who gonna play like that?
That being said....what goes up most come down..in roulette what's down ALWAYS goes up.
Hermes inspired me with his Leveller . And I saw with rapid roulette everything levels much faster. No idea why.. around 300spins already.
I think the bot guys know this a long time already
Quote from: denzie on Sep 24, 02:53 PM 2015
Series vs singles ....go for the series.
Is this how you approach playing W/L strings I put up at other place
All this talk about "waves" reminds me of a system I posted a while back. Maybe you've been looking at it, or maybe not. If not, check it out. It may trigger a good thought.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4286.msg40224#msg40224 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4286.msg40224#msg40224)
GLC
In the long term any random data forms a fractal. Maybe try and think of trends like the path of a lightening bolt. There may be things it will or wont be more likely to do. It is possible but I've never found any key to it. I stopped working on that side of roulette once I got more into AP, but it doesnt mean there is something in it somewhere. When I get time I'll give details on some of my theories or points for exploration (in the out of the box area)
Didn't saw it. But just did. Thx. I think most players find it to boring. But it works though.
Patience is the key.
And with a more stable bet then most of the time we not need more then 2u. Live wheel it would take really long. But again it's highly effective if you got the time.
Use a team of 3 players . Lol. Just joking
BTW Steve...are you sending the free tester to my email? I would like to test it this weekend . Thx in advance
Quote from: denzie on Sep 25, 01:00 AM 2015
BTW Steve...are you sending the free tester to my email? I would like to test it this weekend . Thx in advance
Got it ^^ (first part)
Nvm...
Denzie, I subscribed you to the free course. You were already subscribed though. The emails come every 3rd day so you dont get flooded. If you dont get the emails, check your spam folder in glamil. But if you just want to look at a simple system that works, see the videos below, which is a free visual ballistics course. Very simple approach, but has limitations. It is mostly for people who are new to the concepts. Anyway it is better if you ask questions in private.
See two videos at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/#visualballistics (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/#visualballistics)
Dont expect AP to be like the typical RRBRRB stuff. It's very different. It's all about physics, accuracy and edge. The physics is actually quite basic.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 06, 10:58 PM 2015
Sooner or later.
u will see only 1 or 2, or 3 win in 20 spins .
That why we need a very stable bet selection,
and variance avoidance management, too.
The million dollar question...
Do u have a stable bet selection?
What to do when variance HIT???
I sure do....half of the wheel.
Happy it's there and get ready to bet