Ladies and Gentlemen,
I wanna start a topic about how to build your OWN hg..
But I afraid, some members here will start , "war, and battle of nasty words" ,
that I a scammer, cheater, whats not...and then locked, by the respected Turner...
The Fact, is I never take anyone money, and never try to sell anything. THAT "HG for sale", just a title for attention, to that THREAD.
And I did received inquiry about price and I decline any sales/buying offer.
hehehe...
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As usual, and as any preaching, it will be long and repetitive and boring,
but hey, that the only way to learn.
If I publish them in front-page newspaper, no one will understand them.
But when I start a single article, some members, that I really cant comprehend till now, will always want to hurl hurting words at me.
Though I say"CASINO will closing down",
it true, if people already understand what I mean, soon casino will closing shop, or change rules!
I wont anything now, just want to see if anybody disagree or disagree for me to continue...preaching...
If more members here say "SHUT-UP",
more than members,
who say, "PLEASE PREACH about your HG ideas",
Than I will SHUT UP forever, and ever, and keep my peace mind
ps:no selling! Just preach.
please respond.
what is your HG idea then?
(no preaching tho....just explain and expand your theory if you will in short, brief posts)
Oh, and an example would be good too, like some spin numbers, and a hint on how you would attack them on the carpet.
:thumbsup:
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I'll join Chrisbis his comment
Denzie
So what happens when you ignore PA in a real system thread......................................he just starts 2 more threads with more scams.
...........................and some members already took the bait!!! :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 04, 08:33 AM 2015
So what happens when you ignore PA in a real system thread......................................he just starts 2 more threads with more scams.
...........................and some members already took the bait!!! :question:
I like the moderators
I just find it strange my post exposing him gets deleted but the mods allow him to do this
His threads and his words even sound fishy. They allow it. What can you do
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 08:37 AM 2015
I like the moderators
I just find it strange my post exposing him gets deleted but the mods allow him to do this
His threads and his words even sound fishy. They allow it. What can you do
Perhaps this is the same situation what happened with Iggiv, where he didn't want to shut down Kimo because he was taking lessons from the "master".
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 04, 08:43 AM 2015
Perhaps this is the same situation what happened with Iggiv, where he didn't want to shut down Kimo because he was taking lessons from the "master".
I find that insinuation offensive
You are trying to run the forum on your terms
I have banned you from posting for 3 days
You can still view
I suggest you make use of the time to read the forum rules
P.A .....i,m gathering after reading a few of your post you are not actually selling anything but really trying to push people into looking at the statistics of any system they have....its plain to me that your trying to get people by the scruff of there neck and kicking and screaming and plainly telling them just to look at basic ratio per 111 spins and the worst case scenario...then as you say people can have there own holy grail by fitting money management to a really good close ratio win lose bet....
not every system will qualify ...like say the 24 to 87 black ratio but other bets could work which come with a better ratio of losses to wins..
Members here are thinking you are withholding a holy grail and talking nonsense for attention ...i think myself you are trying to change the basic thought patterns of most members to a different way view there systems...i may get called ..berated...just for posting this but i think i see where you are coming from
...i,ve just read ego,s part on the star system with the progression which he thanked glc for and maybe in conjunction something like this could work...nicksmi has made me a sheet up with a particular bet and the reverse of it too...but if i just do a basic running column counting the wins/losses ratio side by side in real time when one side goes down by 5 to 10 bets it closes back up again...this isn,t built into my sheet but i,ve just asked him to code the star system in as ego describes...
i have a lot of systems ive designed but not published on here but will take a look at some where when flat betting on stefs bot it hovers around zero ...i my self thank you for that push :)
now maybe everyone could start to look a bit closer and put forward if they wish systems which could qualify at least a 45 to66 ratio of wins to losses flat betting..
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 08:37 AM 2015
I like the moderators
I just find it strange my post exposing him gets deleted but the mods allow him to do this
His threads and his words even sound fishy. They allow it. What can you do
Not sure which post? I just DELETED (I dont do this lock topic stuff) one of his "can of crazy" threads. In addition, I DELETED 2-3 of his nutty posts. I watch him, thats the best us mods can do.
Ken
I am one who will say, I am against people getting scammed. If you remember, with Falkor, i was blunt in saying that he was out to scam.
However, what I don't understand is, If you all think P.A. is out to scam people, why are you reading his thread?.
I personally, don't know the person. I have been reading all his thread and reading between the lines.
Give the guy credit. Yes he has started on the wrong path. However, he has been giving people good advice.
I am back to saying. Don't expect to get a holy grail on a silver platter unless you willing to pay for it. The cost will really be an arm and a leg.
P.A good advice so far.
Quote from: Azim on Sep 04, 03:53 PM 2015
I am one who will say, I am against people getting scammed. If you remember, with Falkor, i was blunt in saying that he was out to scam.
However, what I don't understand is, If you all think P.A. is out to scam people, why are you reading his thread?.
I personally, don't know the person. I have been reading all his thread and reading between the lines.
Give the guy credit. Yes he has started on the wrong path. However, he has been giving people good advice.
I am back to saying. Don't expect to get a holy grail on a silver platter unless you willing to pay for it. The cost will really be an arm and a leg.
P.A good advice so far.
:thumbsup:
Does anyone remember this:
QuoteYou must understand one important fact before you proceed. You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place. You can find a bet that will win more bets or money than losing ones. So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten. Therefore to win twenty x your bet you would need to plan a session of one hundred bets.
This is why I think P.A. should not be ignored. He may not make much sense with his way of writing, but his ideas are not rubbish.
Quote from: helena on Sep 04, 07:46 PM 2015
Does anyone remember this:
This is why I think P.A. should not be ignored. He may not make much sense with his way of writing, but his ideas are not rubbish.
He shouldn't be ignored because he said "You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place" just like CEH ?
I find that a very bizarre reason......
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 04, 08:41 PM 2015
He shouldn't be ignored because he said "You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place" just like CEH ?
I find that a very bizarre reason......
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OK, well I think the CEH bet exists.
Quote from: helena on Sep 04, 09:08 PM 2015
OK, well I think the CEH bet exists.
AS do I helena, as do I......
In F.A.C.T. I think ALL 4 of them exist ;)
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Quote from: ddarko on Sep 04, 09:10 PM 2015
AS do I helena, as do I......
In F.A.C.T. I think ALL 4 of them exist ;)
O0
How many bets there are all depends on the definition of a bet. His "bet" involves more than one spin.
Respected Moderator, please dont lock this thread, after this thread fade, I will post no more new topic, for good. ..I promise!
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Well Ladies&Gentlemen,
After more than 24hours,
I see that only a few, tell me to "Shut-up",
Thus I will proceed with my..err...preaching?!
I will preach as if the listeners are NEWBIE group,
that just understand the basic of roulette,
and will save them , headache, and heartache, from terrible testing for thousand hours.!
and those in EXPERT grade, [but still ... searching for a grail], may skip, and , wait for the expert grade, preaching.
I may bored u to sleep, as any preacher do, and if u cant understand , u may ask, but my answer will not on silver platter...
U need badly to understand the very BASIC, or u may MISSED, some VERY-simple but VERY-important STIPULATION.
That why REPETITIVE, to stressed an IMPORTANT issue!
And if u have some "AHA!" , or EUREKA!!!" , then just post here, so we could know what make u jump high, after all these years of research!!!.
[U may need to always copy, lest this thread deleted, for some reason.]
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Lets Begin!
A HG, will have FOUR most important CRITERIA.
Below the criteria according to their importance!
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1]A BET SELECTION,
that, must "CONSISTENTLY & CONSTANTLY
produce WIN/LOSE RATIO,
that within math expectation."
[what is that animal, MATH-EXPECTATION???]
2]PROGRESSION.
When u have that kind of bet selection,
U build a mild progression AROUND the said bet-selection.
and win easily...
3]Horrible VARIANCE avoidance in PROGRESSION,
or management.
That avoid huge losses, when long streaky, with too little wins in-between... happen!
Understand this, and u may even win, without any progression!
4]STOP-LOSS.
AS we cant foresee future,
and when the MURPHY Law comes, a visiting, we need to CUT LOSS, but the cutloss, will be OFFSET, by another few winning profitable seasons.
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When U have UNDERSTAND VERY-VERY WELL!,
all FOUR criteria...
U can build your OWN hg! [I promised U..]
and soon casino will need to change rules..
[three-ZERO roulette, perhaps? hahahaa:]
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Those who already understand , will say nothing here.
Those who didnt want to understand, but tantrum thrower,
please dont post anything hurtful here.
Those newbie, or eager learner, or expert,
please post constructive criticism, or opinion, or questioning here.
I am a sporting person, will not get angry with anyone here.
Thanks.
wait for next post in few hours,
where I preach in detail, what the bet-selection about...
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Those expert may skip this, as it repetitive and boring.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
The Greatest Mistake and Misunderstanding,
of searching for ,...
and keep testing a bet selection for superior hit.
Many of u, had test "EVEN-CHANCE", EC ,bet selection.
of black/red, O/E,H/L...
At the few first TESTING,[with no progression] they show GREAT profits, of 5,10,20,even 30 units profits.
and u feel ELATED! Happy, and "Oh Boy! This a grail!"
and then after a few more testing, they show losses of -5,-10,-20,and even -30units!!!
and u start to fell depressed, frustrated, and angry...
How I know, because, I also used to be in your shoes...
Why the bet selection, produce HUGE profit, and then , show HUGE losses?
This is because the, or your bad selection, cant overcome the probability law and the house edge,
and will SWING! WIDELY!..[but at the end will rtm]
What is SWING?
The bet selection, will produce high profit, and then swing to huge losses..
SWINGING...!
and that is in accordance with the law of probability, after a long test, when u add up, will see the net losses, just around the house edge!
THERE WILL NEVER A BET SELECTION THAN SUPERIOR THAN THE "PROBABILITY, and HOUSE EDGE" COMBINED!
..NEVER!!!
Ok, if we erased the zero from the casino real bet record, after a long test, u will see that, the win/loss ratio will around 50% all the time, throw in the ZERO, and u have negative!
So dont waste your time testing and hoping for a BET selection, that will SUPERIOR than
the 'probability&Edge', COMBINED.
So , then what we need to test, or search, if there NEVER, a selection, that superior???
answer;"Look for a bet selection that consistently, and constantly hit STABLE, WIN/LOSE ratio, that hit within the math expectation, or in other words, LOSE just at the "PROBABILITY and EDGE", value, COMBINED!
[that quote alone worth millions, hehehe]
Still not understand?
Ok, here some math, which will bore, or confuse some, nevertheless, we cant escape the math, if u, want to understand.
U may ask question later..
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The Euro Wheel has 37numbers.
One of the number is ZERO, or GREEN.
the other is 36, with 18..BLACK, red, ODD,even,HIGH,low.
What that ZERO doing here...to make u lose more money! hahahaaww!
So ,
One set of 37, has 1zero
two set of 37, [37x2]=74, has 2zero.
three set of 37,[37x3=111, has 3zero..
3zero/111=2.7027% house edge.
or just 2.7%
and now u understand, why we need to test 111spins,
instead of 100spins/set, as 111, more accurate!
Then U may ask
WHY the need of a bet selection that constantly and consistently hit STABLE, -2.7% ???? why? why? why?
answer,
because, there will no bet selection that hit, BETTER than -2.7% long term! There will never be! OR ELSE, all the casino, already closed shop 300years ago!!!
And most importantly,
All the BET SELECTION, which not constantly and consistently hit win/lose ratio will SWING WIDELY, that caused little profit, and HUGE LOSSES due to horrible PROGRESSION!!!!!!!!!!
and now u understand why casino still stand strong, and we still here? hahahaaww!
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We NEED a STABLE bet selection, and build mild progression, around it...that a hg...
we need to embrace the edge, instead of abhor it.
hmmm...wonder how many jump up, and eureka...???
sometime , only, and just,... a one liner change the the whole mindset!
[ok, continue later in next post..feel tired..old age catching up...]
opinion please?
Quote
Played only after VIRTUAL wins. If a loss occurred waited for a VIRTUAL win on that side of the EC before resuming at the trigger.
**Bet ONCE ONLY (win or lose await next trigger)
example:
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R
B
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +1
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2
R
R - vwin R
B - trigger to bet B
R - lost; reset B; trigger to bet R +1
R - won +2
B
R - trigger to bet R
B - lost ; reset R +1
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2
B
B
B
B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +3
NOTE:
I use separate progression for each side of the EC. (currently using best of 5)
This also avoids bets on lot of choppy results:
R
B
R
B
R
B
R
B
R
no virtual wins - so no bets!
According to the general Law of Appearance of the even chances with regard to the SINGLES and SERIES as stated on the win-maxx site STATS section, In a block or sequence of 64 spins the average result for one EC is:
16 SINGLES and
16 SERIES (streaks) of 2 or more...
If you read about it it some more it seems quite mathematically elegant and beautiful!
Knowing this fact, the formula I posted above is based on betting for these streaks (on both sides - because we do not know the side with the majority of streaks...) After a virtual win (RR or BB or longer) and betting ONCE on the trigger (stopping betting after a win or loss).
Attempting to get streak of 2 (because ALL series must start with formation of 2 at least)
Using a mild progression like gr8player5 on both sides of EC.. Thus try to capitalise on the appearance of the streaks and keep losses to minimum. I showed how betting ONCE only after a Vwin+trigger can avoid the runs of SINGLES too. It's down to % PROBABILITY.
Remember P.A's proviso: max 111bets or 30 win bets to conclude a session.
Over to you now, PA to reveal your ideas on this.
Cheers,
A.
Hi Atlantis,
U understand the method.
Why post here?
Soon, casino will broke!
Please delete and keep them secret.
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I cant remember I say that,
"max 111bets or 30 win bets to conclude a session."
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[ max 111bets] is for testing for "stable bet selection".
[30 win bets to conclude a session]..that just a example,
how u need to face 'possible variance'....
Thanks.
So this is the HG? This will win on the long run ?
To the testing mobile. ...........
Quote from: P.A on Sep 05, 05:45 AM 2015
I cant remember I say that,
"max 111bets or 30 win bets to conclude a session."
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[ max 111bets] is for testing for "stable bet selection".
[30 win bets to conclude a session]..that just a example,
how u need to face 'possible variance'....
Thanks.
OK, thank you PA.
Sorry must have misunderstood about that. Since you're open to questions, is it 111 SPINS, then??
Or, just stop when won a few units target goal eg: +5...
Regards,
A.
Quote from: helena on Sep 05, 01:24 AM 2015
How many bets there are all depends on the definition of a bet. His "bet" involves more than one spin.
How did you come to that conclusion pls ?
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Quote from: denzie on Sep 05, 05:49 AM 2015
So this is the HG? This will win on the long run ?
To the testing mobile. ...........
:)
Quote from: P.A on Sep 05, 05:45 AM 2015
U understand the method.
Why post here?
Soon, casino will broke!
Please delete and keep them secret.
Really? Casino will close doors!? This made me laugh.
I don't think so somehow...
A.
Not sure if P.A. gonna answer....
111 bets he used to find the right bet selection.
It was RayManZ who suggested 30bets.
I think you're doing it right Altlantis.
111 spins or more doesn't matter as you got your bet selection already.
I THINK you can just keep on playing it till enough in profit.
Denzie
As your progression. ....i would stop at the 5 level.
We lost 75u on a bust. Or stop after level 4??????
So for a win point im not sure yet as im gonna play it soon. But 20-30 would sound nice though :love:
Quote from: denzie on Sep 05, 06:11 AM 2015
Not sure if P.A. gonna answer....
111 bets he used to find the right bet selection.
It was RayManZ who suggested 30bets.
I think you're doing it right Altlantis.
111 spins or more doesn't matter as you got your bet selection already.
I THINK you can just keep on playing it till enough in profit.
Denzie
That was my thinking too!
A.
The only thing left for us to do is...test it to set a proper win point.
Imagine if half of the br would be possible. .... well then you really did it Atlantis 8)
Let's go in ....
+21 thx Atlantis and P.A.
Much appreciated :thumbsup:
for a moment, lets concentrate on, my preaching..
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
This preaching, is about how to build YOUR OWN HG..
not about my hg...
Ok, now u all already understand the importance of having a BET SELECTION that ,always has WIN/LOSE ratio, AROUND the narrow-band of probability and edge combined.
Say, u wanna bet EC, then u must test your Bet selection, bet without progression,for 111spins/set,
and bet for many thousands set [of 111spins].
Then u will see how the highest, and lowest win/lose ratio.
If the swings, always show very high profit, and very low negative, then that selection, not good.
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It the Constant huge 'SWING', from positive to negative, that cause, one elated little wins, and then horibble losses.
I had trying to tell this to some members, why they always have winning test, and then more test, they have losses...it because they had 'bad swinging bet selection'....and mated that to a progression, will deadly!!!
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A good selection will have very NARROW band width,
preferably under -10unit win/lose ratio.
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let see.
bet for 111spins, EC, with no progression.
win/lose ratio= positive or negative.
111w/0lose=+111...impossible!
0w/111lose=-111...impossible!
55w/56L=-1 UNIT LOSSES
54W/57L=-3...the -2.7%edge.
53W/58L=-5
52W/59L=-7
51W/60L=-9
50W/61L=-11
56W/L55=+1 unit win.
57W/54L=+3
58W/53L=+5
59W/52L=+7
60W/51L=+9
61W/50L=+11
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So if u found an EC bet selection, that after tens thousand sets, tests, that will always hit
win/lose ratio, not more than ,
say 50win/61loss=-11.
Then this mean, u are very confident that,
in the next 111spins, there will be no more than
61 LOSSES,
OR
AT LEAST 50WIN,
=[-11unit losses...]
THEN how are u going to win,
to win WITH a mild progression?!
OR FLAT-BET?!
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all above cant denied by the math boys.
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does this make sense?,
did u jump up, and eureka?
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ok, this for today, wait for next preaching.
Thanks.
@Atlantis.... im now up +47 with YOUR HG....
Hi denzie,
Haven't had much chance to do much today...
It's great that you are doing well.
I'm not saying it is perfect and there may still need to changes required to the trigger(s).
Progression is key and integral part of the plan.
Also I hesitate to call my idea an HG either! even if according to PA, the casinos will be closing their doors all about us...
Ha - some kind of joke, I suppose.
R U playing real roulette or rng, then denzie?
A.
RNG with fast spins
Gonna compare it to P.A. his hg and see what profits most.
And this every time for about a month. Then we see what's best.
A hg to me is not a strategy that never loses. Cuz i think that doesn't exist. But it's something that wins a minimum of 2 out of 3 sessions. And it recovers a bust in 1 session. That is just fine by me.
Hi denzie,
P.A already said his system for Red and Black could fail and that as it stood there was a FLAW that needed rectifying.
My idea was simply a tweak to try and improve his existing method; to try and make safer in case of the unexpected and bad distribution and variance which he showed can happen in his demo session betting one side of an EC on the other thread.
If anyone else can contribute constructive ideas or suggestions toward ironing out the inherent FLAW(s) then this will surely be a positive step forward to further progress on that front.
Yes - I agree we should not expect to win win win all of the time with such methods as these.
A.
PS. I'm not sure whether PA has already got the answer to this (HG) or if this is his clumsy way to get US to help and cooperate in finding such a solution for us all. He is reluctant to divulge or share much of the detail if he does possess the answer. He seems to relish repeating facts and preaching a lot...
Ok let me just say as a quick note this ....regardless if PA has this hg figured out or not it doesn't really matter if you think you are helping him achieve this goal or not....it's at least given some a direction ...I would also like to say there are more ways to skin a cat....I bet môst of you are looking at the normal ec bets...you can of course make your own ec bèt selection apart from the norm that could give you a better win/loss ratio ... 8)
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 05, 11:46 AM 2015
Hi denzie,
PS. I'm not sure whether PA has already got the answer to this (HG) or if this is his clumsy way to get US to help and cooperate in finding such a solution for us all. He is reluctant to divulge or share much of the detail if he does possess the answer. He seems to relish repeating facts and preaching a lot...
You read my mind
Quote from: Azim on Sep 04, 03:53 PM 2015
Yes he has started on the wrong path. However, he has been giving people good advice.
This is where I am at also.
I think I have made improvement with better trigger to bet arrangement, which I will set out tomorrow - but still it will be the progression to be used which will be an essential ingredient for success.
More later.
A.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I will preach about progression.
The best progression is FLATBET.
The second best is very mild ...
the third best is that could beat
the, say [EC 'worst', 30w/100L ratio]
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progression will only as best as the best bet selection, if the selection swing widely to negative , then the progression will become your worst friend, causing huge horrible losses...
Go the the Respectable GLC postings, in forums, he has world best arsenal of progressions. Search one that suit your bet selection.
That only for progression preaching, not much to say...
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In next preaching, I will preaching about VARIANCE AVOIDANCE, and MANAGEMENT STRATEGY!!!
"VARIANCE Avoidance, mated with good BET selection, and good progression, and cut loss combination "..
a few members already left forums, as they already understand these...and of course, busily making money...
VARIANCE is the most complex, yet potent strategy to beat the casino!
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Get ready..
Now I will preach the most complex, hard to understand and the only way to beat the so call math of gambling...U need as patient as the Gilbratar Rock, and if u lose u TEMPER!, while listening to my preachings, about VARIANCE, then , no one can help u, but your good self!
[yes, preachings, not preaching. it is complex! Dont lose your temper, please...]
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The other day, I post a riddle, that in next 100spin of EC, the win/lose ratio=only 30w/70L=30hit/100spins.
And I say the one who knows will not say anything, and the "cant-solve-them" one, will post funny statement...Am I RIGHT!?
Ok,
in this OVERSIMPLIFIED, hypothesis, of ONLY 30win, in 100spins
the ratio=30win in 100spins
then in the next 100spins..
0spin=0lose, there will 30w in NEXT 100spins
0lose, there will 30w in next 100spins
1Lose, there will 30w in next 99spins.
2Lose, there will 30w in next 98spins.
3Lose, there will 30w in next 97spins.
4Lose, there will 30w in next 96spins.
5Lose, there will 30w in next 95spins.
6Lose, there will 30w in next 94spins.
7Lose, there will 30w in next 93spins.
8Lose, there will 30w in next 92spins.
9Lose, there will 30w in next 91spins.
10Lose, there will w in next 90spins.
did u jump up and eureka?
I said OVERSIMPLIFIED! ...example,
ok if there is win, so how?
another oversimplified...
30win next 100spins.
10Lose/1w,there will 29w in next 89spins.
10Lose/2w,there will 28w in next 88spins.
10Lose/3w,there will 27w in next 87spins.
10Lose/4w,there will 26w in next 86spins.
did u jump up and eureka?
and now u will do reseach to win the riddle, and casino will close shop soon..hehehee
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I said OVERSIMPLIFIED!
Dont try to pick fault here, if u cant understand the word OVERSIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE, then search the dict.
Above is one of the simple in the most complex subject of gambling.
If every member understand this subject, then all the casino will need to close shop!!!
and I , the P.A, the first and only one, in the world, to tell u this...
Wait for next preaching.
thanks.
So what then? Track 1000 different bet selections and pick the one that is "due" the most wins?
Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Sep 05, 09:38 PM 2015
So what then? Track 1000 different bet selections and pick the one that is "due" the most wins?
u ask the right question!
Look and u will find.
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[Members...
Read slowly and truly comprehend before u leap!
be patient, and learn slowly...we are not rushin' in to lose money!]
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track for one that MOST STABLE, that has NARROW band of win/loss ratio.
example, bet selection that always win, after many testing, always win/loss around the math expectation.
EC 48w/52L, that 48%...
EC 45w/55L, that 45%...
EC 40w/60L, that 40%...[if no progression.will -20, if take evry bet]
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So if after rigorous testing, u had a bet election, say, RARELY lose exceed 55losses per 100bet,that 45%win rate,
and u are very confident, in the next 100spin, will have around 45hit, then how are u going to mate a progression, and a variance avoidance to them???
a wide swinging selection, will produce delighted small profit, and horrible losses.
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ANYONE knows what this animal MATH EXPECTATION?
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If u truly understand Variance avoidance, EVEN the bad WIDE swinging BET SELECTION, an opportunity itself, to win profit!...
A few OLD TIMER members here understand what I mean...
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if evryone here truly understand, and this spread, casino will closing down...or change rules!
Wait for next preaching...
Ladies and Gentlemen.
U need to be patient as Gilbratar Rock, Or AYER Rock, or Rocky Rock...to slow..ly read and comprehend what I preach here!
If u lose Temper!..Then u could not learn anything here...
It takes many years to be a doctor, a Phd holder , lawyer, etc..
Its not I tell u now, and tommoroww u make money at casino!
=============================
I believed many members here had,
"I see!,Ohhh, Aha,and Eureka!",
after reading my previous preaching...
=================
Ladies&Gentlemen,
below a OVER simplified example.
The math boys say LONG TERM SPINS,
EC in roulette is -2.7%.
this mean in 111spins=-3losses.
so, if we think like this.
111spins=-3u losses
-3u loss in 111spins.
After...
-1u loss,then there 2loss in next 110spins.
-2loss,then there 1loss in 109spins.
-3loss,then there 0loss in 108spins.
of course, above just OVERSIMPLIFIED example.
does that lighten up a bulb?
=================
Now.. How to solve the,
ONLY 30hit, in 100spins.
[why 30in 100spins, because, there is possible for the worst of 30/100 to happen, so we research the worst, and learn from there..
the worst ever recorded in B&M casino is still 69red in 200spins.]
As U see the riddle stated that u could only bet and win 30hits, in 100spins, and bet any way u like.
30wins, in 100spins, will have,
I think billions of permutation.
the best is 30hit in the first 30spins, follow by 70losses, and or, first 70losses, with last 30hit streaks.
That impossible to happen, but the math boy say it the probability, so be it..we dont argue with the math genius!
So how are u going to win ?
========================
Wait for next preaching.
Thanks.
---------------
any opinion???
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Below I presented, a table, of the possibilities, of how the w/l will scrambled about...in the riddle of EC ,only 30w/100spins.
After u scrutinize the table.
Some of u here will "OHO! I understand know!",
and from here on,after some research by yourself,
will sooner or later, own your own HG.
If u cant understand, then it either u just too new here,
or not really understand, after all this while,
or just plain lazy, and uninterested to learn.
=================
below an OVERSIMPLIFIED table,
and strictly related to the HYPOTHESIS of the riddle,
of "how to win, if only 30win/100spins, EC bet".
0w & 0L,then remain 30w/70L,[100spins]
1W&1L , then remain W29/69L
2W&2L , then W28/68L
3W3L , then 27W/67L
4W4L , then W26/66L
5W5L , then W/L
6W6L , then W/L
7W7L , then W/L
8W8L , then W/L
9W9L , then W/L
10W10L , then 20W/60L
11W11L , then W/L
12W12L , then W/L
13W13L , then W/L
14W14L , then W/L
15W15L , then W/L
16W16L , then W/L
17W17L , then W/L
18W18L , then W/L
19W19L , then W/L
20W20L , then 10W/50L
21W21L , then W/L
22W22L , then W/L
23W23L , then W/L
24W24L , then W/L
25W25L , then 5W/45L
26W26L , then W/L
27W27L , then W/L
28W28L , then W/L
29W29L , then W/L
30W30L , then 0W/40L
30W31L , then 0W/39L
30W32L , then 0W/38L
u need to fill in the blank!
==========================
Above table, after u scrutinize them, some of u here,
u will soon understand , how to win,
in the 30w/100spins riddle,
and u on way to make your own HG,
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when u want to cross the busy street,
what u do first, before u dash across?
answer.
u make sure it safe, before u dash...
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Dont lose your TEMPER, if u cant understand!
reread slo:lllyyyy all my posts.
Any opinion?
Thanks.
Quote
u need to fill in the blank!
==========================
Err....what "blank" P.A. ?
I see some 'Zeros' at the end of your list...but no "blank".
THIS would be a blank.......
27W27L , then W/L
28W28L , then W/L
29W29L , then W/L
30W30L , then
blankW/40L
30W31L , then
blankW/39L
30W32L , then
blankW/38L
Is that the area of our focus now?.....cause if it is, I would say...."Don't bet!....Spin virtual(or establish new bet selection)
(to get your
111 spin total), but don't risk
Edit:
100 spin total.
I said this earlier. If the minimal W/L ratio is 30/70. Just stop betting when you hit 30W's. Just finish the session without betting and as soon as you get a total of 100 (W+L) start a new session with a 30W wingoal.
Hi PA,
Quote
If the minimal W/L ratio is 30/70. Just stop betting when you hit 30W's. Just finish the session without betting and as soon as you get a total of 100 (W+L) start a new session with a 30W wingoal.
That seem to make sense to me too.
A.
Great post below, over at Roulette 30 forum, very related to this topic, a real life example.
Its good reading.
You may have to login to view/read
rouletteforum dot roulette30 dotcom/index.php?topic=267.msg2133#msg2133
the forum wouldn't let me post up a link from Roulette30 site...must be on the "forbidden" list! lol
Yes it make sense what P.A. talks about and i agree that he has made his homework about roulette and there are still many things to be said and test, i mean real test ( long run simulation if possible).
I will add this examples ( some already posted before) about how i use my own MM/Lw strategy/Virtual wins/Triggers/Variance avoidance/ possitive progressions , something that i was * preaching* for years ,I prefer Dozens and Columns ( also 9 numbers bets), this can be applied to ECs and others, also there are much better bet selections. Some of this examples ( on excel) are just examples how to bet on worst scenarios.
cheers
Surely that OVERSIMPLIFIED table that PA posted is going to be different if you are not betting every spin of the 100 spins though.
For instance how would you record it on my EC idea posted earlier....:
W/L ratio (bets)
===============
remain 30w/70L
R
B
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +1 remain 29w/70L
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2 remain 28w/70L
R
R - vwin R
B - trigger to bet B
R - lost; reset B; trigger to bet R +1 remain 28w/69L
R - won +2 remain 27w/69L
B
R - trigger to bet R
B - lost ; reset R +1 remain 27w/68L
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2 remain 26w/68L
B
B
B
B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +3 remain 25w/68L
That cannot be right can it? As I am recording as BETS w/l - So there is something I do not understand or am interpreting wrongly.
Someone help me out here.
A.
You are only counting bets placed vs Win/Lose ration marking.
Is does not account for the fact that more spins have past (spun)...but then again, you cannot have a loss, if you didn't bet on a spin (real or virtual!)
How about doing the same analysis, but with Real & Virtual annotation?
.................................................................. W/L ratio (bets)..........................Virtual W/L ratio (bets)
=============== ==================
remain 30w/70L remain 30W/70L
R---tracking (no bet real or Virtual)
B---tracking (no bet real or Virtual)
B - vwin B remain 29W/70L
R remain 29w/69L
B - trigger to bet B remain 29W/68L
B - won +1 remain 29w/70L remain 28W/68L
R remain 28W/67L
B - trigger to bet B remain 28W/66L
B - won +2 remain 28w/70L remain 27W/66L
R remain 27W/65L
etc
?
Atlantis, looking good. But i guess pa counts the w/l ratio consecutive.
Testing his way of play with two countings: the w/l ratio and the percentage of r/b for the trigger...
Hope we get more hints from pa.
This would seem to make sense and more relevant to my particular idea...
Stats on the appearance of BOTH sides of an EC in 128 spins (eg R/B)
= 32 singles
= 32 series... of 2 or more
Trigger: Bet ONCE ONLY for series after a Virtual Series Win. (vwin)
If WIN continue to bet for series after next SINGLE win on that side
If LOSE wait for new trigger: virtual series win (vwin)
Poss wins in 128 spins
==============
32w/128
R
B
B - vwin B 31w/126
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +1 30w/123
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2 29w/120
R
R - vwin R 28w/118
B - trigger to bet B
R - lost; reset B; trigger to bet R +1 28w/116
R - won +2 27w/115
B
R - trigger to bet R
B - lost ; reset R +1 27w/112
B - vwin B 26w/111
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2 25w/108
B
B
B
B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +3 24w/101
A.
So 30w is rare....
So...we track till we sure its safe to start.
That would work but could take forever .......
Test session of 128 R/B spins:
At spin 32 there are 11 singles and 8 series
At spin 64 there are 19 singles and 17 series
At spin 96 there are 26 singles and 25 series
At spin 128 there are 35 singles and 33 series (14 black streaks ; 19 red streaks)
There were three occurrences of green 0.
This is typical result over 128 spins.
Avg = 32 singles; 32 series.
A.
Live dealer wheel, airball or RNG feed?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 06, 03:32 AM 2015
Err....what "blank" P.A. ?
I see some 'Zeros' at the end of your list...but no "blank".
THIS would be a blank.......
27W27L , then W/L
28W28L , then W/L
29W29L , then W/L
30W30L , then blankW/40L
30W31L , then blankW/39L
30W32L , then blankW/38L
Is that the area of our focus now?.....cause if it is, I would say...."Don't bet!....Spin virtual(or establish new bet selection)
(to get your 111 spin total), but don't risk
Edit:
100 spin total.
Gentlemen,
That table is a 'Strictly for the riddle of [30win/100 game],
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15860.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15860.0)
a hypothesis,an oversimplified table, that u can see and u need to calculate, the win/loss ratio.. so that u will understand how to see variance.
It just an excercise, to make u understand better.
and then think out ideas how to beat that riddle of 30wins, in 100spins
Thanks for your comments.
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I fill in the blank for u to see...
0w & 0L,then remain 30w/70L,[100spins]
1W&1L , then remain W29/69L=100spis
2W&2L , then W28/68L=100spis
3W3L , then 27W/67L==100spis
4W4L , then W26/66L==100spis
5W5L , then W25/65L=100
6W6L , then W24/64L=100spis
7W7L , then W23/63L=100spis
8W8L , then W22/62L=100spis
9W9L , then W21/61L=100spins
10W10L , then 20W/60L=100spis
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it just a table of how ,
a hypothesis, if there are 30wins, in 100spins,
[it just a game to make u understand how to see variance]
say..
10W10L , then 20W/60L
what that mean?
The riddle game, say , there would have 30win, in 100spins.
so , after u see...
10W10L ,had happen, then n the next 80spins,
will have 20W/60L...['20win' left and '60lose' left]
please understand.
it nothing to do with a HG has 30win, it just a riddle,and a table of lose win, to make u understand hoe to see variance.
it just, to show u , how to think out ,
ideas, of how to beat that riddle of 30wins, in 100spins
please read slowly.
Hi Chrisbis,
It shouldn't matter.
You can test those stats in RX using autostop (with 128 spins default) on random numbers or use 128 actual real roulette results and then look at the RX stats for appearance of Black/Red EC. Count them and they will be at or about the average.
See screenshots:
A.
If we sure about that riddle has only 30w ....
And we're at 10w/10l...
Well bet the L side
Genntlemen,
please read slowly,
[or the misunderstanding & fault are MINE?
...as my English is terrible! hehehe]
That '30wins in 100spins', is just a game, of riddle,
how u to win, if there only 30wins, in a 100spins, GAME.
It has nothing to do with making your own HG,
just a game u could play, and in the process,
understand how to avoid variance...
I use a GAME, so u will better understand the VARIANCE.
Please pardon , for the misunderstanding.
Quote from: denzie on Sep 06, 08:41 AM 2015
If we sure about that riddle has only 30w ....
And we're at 10w/10l...
Well bet the L side
Hi Denzie,
In the Game, we know, that has only 30wins, in next 100 spins...
If we sure about that riddle has only 30w ....
And when ,we're at 10w/10L...[after 20spins]
then how many win and lose left,
[as we already know there only 30wins, in 100spins???
10w/10L, then there will 20win and 60Lose, in next 80spins!
10w/10L, then there will 20win and 60Lose=100spins.
it just a game to make u understand variance and avoidance.
For clarity, PA, why do you not just show a straightforward set of spin by spin results + your w/l recordings?
You wrote:
Quote
10w/10L, then there will 20win and 60Lose=100spins.
Seems like denzie was right then?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 06, 08:53 AM 2015
For clarity, PA, why do you not just show a straightforward set of spin by spin results + your w/l recordings?
A.
Hi A,
I can only show u, how to build your own HG..
U need to read slowly and understand every criteria!,
just slow and steadily, understand, research, and testing..
I already show u the four criteria..and u need to learn slowly.
u already on right direction, u just need more time to understand.
please read slowly, an understand very aspect!
Thanks.
gentlemen,
I repost the riddle here.
so they do not confuse, with others [the four criteria ],
====================
it just a game. to make u understand, and jump up very high , if u really understand how to solve them!
===================
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If u could solve this riddle ,
then u had a HG!
In a wonderland, a wonderful casino advertise..
========================
"New Roulette RNG Game,
100spins only per game, then reset.
with GUARANTEED FIXED 30 BLACK VERSUS 70 RED.
in any possible permutation!
[30black + 70 red=100spins per game]
The ONLY Rules: U could ONLY bet BLACK!.
and stake any progression, and bet or not bet,
and play anyway as u like!"
===============================
If I come across this wonderful casino,
I could win, every day!
could u win???
Gentlemen,
The four criteria , are very simple,
but hard to understand if u did not read carefully...
1]U have a VERY STABLE bet-selection,
that will not win huge and then lose huge,
if u bet them without progression.
in fact , STABLE bet selection, will always win very little and lose very little,
it will win, and lose, just around the house edge..
example EC bet selection, will only lose around -2.7%, after many testing.
2]Then u latched a mild progression, to it, and it will win constantly, as the BET selection,...VERY STABLE...it will not, say, [in no progression bet testing] win up to 20units now, and then, next test, lose for 30u..!
3]Variance avoidance...where u can wait, and then bet for lower risk, and higher % chance .
4]cut loss...when expected 'unexpected losses' come.
but will recoup with another 2 or 3 winning seasons.
=====================
The 111spins is just for testing your bet selection purpose,
why 111?
Because 37numbers of roulette, times three=111, has 3 zero probability, then , easy to understand...and see the edge %
The "30wins/100spins", has nothing to do with this HG ideas.. the 30wins, is just a win rate in that RIDDLE, game, that I invent so that u could learn, by playing a hypothesis game...
====================
in-fact 30win/100 is the least expected win/lose, in B&M casino...
the worst record, is 69red in 200spins.
sorry for the misunderstanding...blame my English!
Has anyone solved the RIDDLE yet?
I haven't.
I'm working on it...
Well he did say before we need to wait....but how long? If we wait to long then our shot is gone. And like i said...it could take forever to wait till those losses come a lot faster then our winnins.
If we just track till we get 20w/65l in 85spins suuuuure.
But i think P.A. will not mean this.
Sure we can sit there all week till we can bet and bet BIG but...naaah
My head hurts :lol:
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 06, 09:46 AM 2015
Has anyone solved the RIDDLE yet?
I haven't.
I'm working on it...
Here is what i'm thinking.
PA said. 30win and 70 loss every 100 spins right.
Could it be that it's almost always in balance.
spin 1: W
left: 29WIN
But if i start my next session 1 spin later it's also 30W and 70L.
There is always a balance of 30/70.
That is just my guess. Not sure if i'm right ofcource. But is i had to guess i would say the W/L must always be in balance.
GENTLEMEN,
Below a dozen bet that I applied using ATLANTIS's
single/series idea.
1]bet that a dozen will REPEAT only once,
2]Win or lose,=stop bet.
3]then wait for new dozen, and bet will repeat.
---------------
a special about those dozen below is they are not balance..
example ,
'worst 3rd dozen',
the 3rd dozen,
has much less than the other two dozen.
as u see, the hits are around house edge..[30%]
[if bet without progression],
they will lose around -10units per 100bet taken..
then how are u going to mate them with a MILD progression to win constantly?
What strategy will u use to avoid long streaks of losses?
When to cut loss?...IF NEEDED?
think hard!
========================
ps;as I in haste, I may wrong somewhere...
and that is according to Alantis' idea...not mine...
------------------------
WORST 3rdDOZEN
===========
bet dozen will repeat ONLY ONCE .
14B
5A 2A 4A =hit1
19B
9A
23B
29C
2A
21B
10A5A ...................=hit2
36C
19B22B16B...................=hit3
29C
21B
6A 0 lose1
33C
10A8A2A11A...................=hit4
21B-0 lose2
29C
20B
10A
17B
1A 0 lose3
30C
18B
30C27C30C...................=hit5
6A
25C
19B
28C 34C 0 ...................=hit6
20B
2A
36C26C ...................=hit 7
17B23B...................=hit8
5A
23B
25C
16B15B23B16B ...................=hit 9
2A4A...................=hit10
35C36C...................=hit11
15B
33C
19B
31C 0 lose 4
17B
5A
29C
24B20B...................=hit12
1A5A...................=hit13
14B23B ...................=hit 14
12A
35C32C 0...................=hit-15
4A7A ...................=hit 16
15B
28C
1A12A...................=hit17
30C32C32C25C...................=hit18
5A
13B
36C36C ...................=hit 19
24B
8A
21B
36C
19B
12A2A...................=hit20
24B20B13B-0=...................=hit21
32C31C...................=hit22
6A10A6A3A3A5A...................=hit23
33C
17B
27C27C...................=hit24
3A
15B
2A
34C 27C...................=hit25
15B
6A
22B21B...................=hit26
7A
21B
5A
31C
14B
26C33C ...................=hit27
12A3A...................=hit28
14B
27C
12A
13B
29C32C...................=hit29
16B14B...................=hit30
12A
19B
30C
6A
17B
11A-0- lose5
20B17B24B...................=hit31
30C26C...................=hit32
11A
22B
26C
22B17B ...................=hit 33
1A6A...................=hit34
13B
34C
20B
31C31C32C...................=hit35
7A
34C
10A9A10A...................=hit36
19B18B...................=hit37
11A
32C
3A12A...................=hit38
22B19B17B...................=hit39
12A
30C32C26C...................=hit40/118 bet=33.8%
bet repeat=hit40/118 bet=33.8%
===================================
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
WORST 2ndDOZEN in 185spins
============
BET WILL REPEAT ONLY ONCE.
27C
11A
31C
1A5A=HIT1
13B
34C
19B
12A
14B
34C-0 lose1
12A12A =HIT 2
24B
4A
30C
3A
36C
7A 8A=HIT3
13B21B =HIT 4
30C
12A4A =HIT 5
34C28C30C =HIT 6
17B16B21B 24B=HIT7
7A
25C
8A12A11A 2A8A7A 3A=HIT8
20B
7A 0- lose3
16B16B13B16B=HIT9
10A12A-0-4A =HIT 10
26C26C=HIT11
14B
1A12A=HIT12
30C
1A
19B
33C
2A11A=HIT13
23B
29C-0- lose4
12A
21B
7A
31C
9A
24B
2A
34C
11A
18B
31C
2A
28C 0-lose5
16B19B =HIT 14
33C
17B
11A
33C30C33C=HIT 15
14B
5A4A 5A=HIT16
21B
35C
6A
20B20B =HIT 17
11A
32C26C =HIT 18
18B
6A
29C
15B16B16B 20B13B=HIT19
1A5A6A-07A=HIT20
20B
7A 2A=HIT21
34C26C =HIT22
10A
28C
5A
36C
24B-0 lose6
6A
33C26C 29C28C=HIT23
10A 5A12A=HIT24
25C 33C=HIT25
16B
30C
1A
23B21B 22B=HIT26
26C
15B 17B=HIT27
2A
35C
22B
4A
27C 25C27C=HIT28
19B 0- lose 7
36C25C =HIT 29
5A-0- lose8
14B 18B22B=HIT30
32C
7A8A
22B [100TH]
29C
13B
33C27C =HIT31
16B20B =HIT 32
35C30C=HIT33
5A
32C29C=HIT34
2A
22B
36C34C 27C=HIT35
13B
2A
21B
3A
REPEAT=35/115=29%
======================
another WORST 3rdDOZEN in 185spins
===========
BET REPEAT
13B14B=HIT
12A
20B
25C31C =HIT
6A
21B
11A
25C29C-0 =HIT
8A
20B
8A
17B20B=HIT
26C 0- LOSE
16B
7A 2A=HIT
25C
16B 21B=HIT6
8A
17B
7A6A=HIT7
13B 24B16B=HIT8
2A 1A=HIT9
32C
3A 6A=HIT
30C
8A
17B15B=HIT11
34C 28C=HIT12
15B
10A 7A10A=HIT13
28C
10A
27C-0 32C=LOSE
3A
17B
6A
13B
28C
20B
29C31C =HIT14
2A9A=HIT15
36C
8A
25C
1A
18B23B23B =HIT16
36C
20B23B =HIT17
8A8A=HIT18
25C
2A
14B
10A 10A=HIT19
27C
20B 24B16B=HIT20
34C
16B19B=HIT21
29C
23B
27C32C 0-=HIT22
8A7A =HIT23
25C
17B
33C 30C32C=HIT24
13B
1A4A=HIT25
27C 34C=HIT26
4A
16B 14B=HIT27
35C
10A
22B
33C
3A
16B
34C
8A 11A=HIT28
24B24B 0-=HIT29
11A6A 2A=HIT30
31C31C 29C=HIT31
21B14B 17B14B13B =HIT32
12A
13B14B =HIT33
3A12A2A =HIT34
21B16B=HIT35
9A
16B
1A7A 12A=HIT36
25C
7A
22B
30C
10A
28C
18B
7A 0 9A=lose
33C
8A
15B21B 23B=HIT37
6A [100TH]
23B 15B=HIT38
3A
15B
2A1A
25C
23B18B=HIT39
4A
27C-0-
21B
36C
2A
32C 28C=HIT40
4A10A =HIT41
30C
9A
35C
9A
17B
6A
19B
8A
=
BET REPEAT=41HIT/121BET=33.88%
=================================
Quote from: denzie on Sep 06, 10:03 AM 2015
Well he did say before we need to wait....but how long? If we wait to long then our shot is gone. And like i said...it could take forever to wait till those losses come a lot faster then our winnins.
If we just track till we get 20w/65l in 85spins suuuuure.
But i think P.A. will not mean this.
Sure we can sit there all week till we can bet and bet BIG but...naaah
My head hurts :lol:
Hi Denzie,
All the pro that silently making money in casino, has ONE trait.
The wait, and wait, and wait, and wait...
They did not rushing in to lose money, it rather wait, and wait, and not losing money,then rush in to lose money.
Impatient kills!
A successful businessman, lawyer, doctor, artist, etc, make huge money after years in their profession,
Never even heard they becomes wealthy after a few months!?
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Gentlemen,
A hint...
That riddle game 30wins /100, will have so many permutation, of course some will have "clustered wins" some where....?!
Gentlemen,
Bet with Atlantis' idea of series/single.
below an almost BALANCED, dozens, and column .
Below a special,
306spins,
Hamburg permanance with almost balanced
DOZEN and column.
for easy visualization,
they the dozens,
are marked ABC.
1. Dutzend 100
2. Dutzend 100
3. Dutzend 98
1. COL 100
2. COL 99
3. COL 99
bet dozen will series, vs single.
bet that a trigger of a new dozen will hit , ONCE
only, and wait for new dozen.
Namely single/series,
but bet a trigger of a series will hit at the second
time, and a single will be losing.
Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
31.03.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
14B==lose1
35C=hit1
25C
20B==lose2
1A==lose3
31C==lose4
9A==lose5
13B==lose6
6A==lose7
27C==lose8
5A==lose9
25C==lose10
1A==lose11
33C==lose12
19B==lose13
11A==lose14
17B=hit2
18B
3A=hit3
10A
36C==lose15
17B=hit4
13B
36C==lose16
22B==
34C==
23B==
8A==
29 C==
10A==
29C==lose23
9A=hit5
7A
00 nb
2A
25C
18B=hit6
18B
15B
35C
13B
33C=hit7
28C
22B
32C
14B==30
27C
6A=hit8
7A
27C
20B
28C
12A
27C
20B=hit9
23B
11A
35C
14B
28C==40
7A
33C
16B=hit10
23B
33C
21B
29C
17B==46
30C=hit11
32C
35C
30C
18B
7A
22B=hit12
19B
00 nb
33C=hit13
27C
15B==49
1A=hit14
5A
11A
11A
30C=hit15
27C
36C
6A=hit16
5A
24B==50
4A
16B=hit17
22B
9A
18B
29C=hit18
35C
8A
21B
9A
28C
8A
16B=hit19
17B
7A
21B=60
27C=hit20
27C
14B=lose61
00
24B
7A
21B
9A
25C
13B=hit21
16B
10A
20B=hit22
18B
32C
00 nb
27C==68
19B=hit23
20B
1A=hit24
5A
36C=hit25
29C
00
11A
22B==70
30C
4A
18B
2A
30C=hit26
32C
33C
33C
31B
12A=76
16B=hit27
17B
2A=hit28
6A
4A
9A
11A
13B=hit29
15B
3A
29C
8A
24B=hit30
19B
28C==80
9A
15B=hit31
19B
10A=hit32
7A
18B
11A=hit33
11A
22B
35C=hit34
25C
6A
26C=hit35
25C
1A
28C=hit36
30C
7A
20B
3A
16B
5A=hit37
8A
32C=hit38
29C
11A=90
17B=hit39
14B
6A
23B=hit40
15B
10A
22B=hit41
20B
28C
13B=hit42
16B
4A
13B=hit43
20B
34C
9A
18B=hit44
16B
23B
18B
11A
33C=hit45
30C
20B=hit46
17B
1A=hit47
8A
13B=hit48
18B
14B
4A
25C
18B=100
30C=hit49
28C
9A=hit50
9A
3A
10A
19B=hit51
14B
7A
33C=hit52
29C
27C
00 nb
5A
18B
8A=hit53
11A
27C=hit54
32C
32C
27C
21B
12A
13B
00 nb
30C=hit55
35C
7A=hit56
2A
9A
10A
36C=hit57
34C
11A=hit58
3A
17B
2A=hit59
2A
19B=hit60
19B
26C
1A=hit61
11A
29C
9A=110
30C
15B
35C
11A
29C
16B
28C
1A=hit62
7A
20B=hit63
19B
16B
14B
35C=hit64
31C
17B
31C
22B=120
34C
9A
19B
5A
28C
6A
16B
1A
31C
6A=130
18B=hit65
17B
3A
31C=hit66
25C
3A
30C
11A
6A
36C=hit67
26C
35C
23B
30C=hit68
31C
1A=137
00=nb
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=hit68
=lose137
=33.1%
This winning hit AROUND the math expectation.
Thus how will u bet, with a very mild progression?
How to avoid variance?
When to cut loss..???
ABOVE JUST AN EXAMPLE, of searching for good bet selection, and match them with progression, to constantly win.
[ and not my HG...]
Hi Denzie,
All the pro that silently making money in casino, has ONE trait.
The wait, and wait, and wait, and wait...
They did not rushing in to lose money, it rather wait, and wait, and not losing money,then rush in to lose money.
Impatient kills!
[/quote]
I've got it right?
I don't mind the waiting at all...
Still stuck with that dastardly RIDDLE !**?%**
A.
Gentlemen,
The key to win, the "only 30wins, in 100spins"
is ...there are billion of PERMUTATION,
[I dont really know how many].
And clustered win,
happen many-many time.
and ..{ok.. I heard someone say, he couldnt wait..}
But , do we really have a CHOICE!!???
WE have no choice!, but...waaaaiiiiiitttt....
We are not, could not, rushing in to lose money.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 06, 12:20 PM 2015
I don't mind the waiting at all...
Still stuck with that dastardly RIDDLE !**?%**
A.
when we want to cross a busy street, all the fast vehicle zoooming past from left to right and vice-versa...How to cross? Just close your eyes and dash across?
think hard, then your subconcious mind will give u answer.
Well since you cannot bet the RED but only the BLACK and you know that BLACK is only going to win 30 times in the next 100 spins, you're gonna HAVE to wait for some REDS to hit first.
Maybe we can split the 100 spins into 10 sets of 10 spins each.
The ideal expectation would be 3 hits in each set of 10 (10x3=30w)
But as you said there are billions of permutations that can happen.
But if you saw something this in your first 9 spins...
LLLLWLLLL
Should you bet for a W to complete the set?
Or am I off track with the sets of 10 altogether???
A.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 06, 12:28 PM 2015
when we want to cross a busy street, all the fast vehicle zoooming past from left to right and vice-versa...How to cross? Just close your eyes and dash across?
think hard, then your subconcious mind will give u answer.
Well you would WAIT until you could SEE without doubt that all the rushing traffic had gone past and that you knew absolutely that you had the time, certainty, and assurance to cross safely without any danger...
A.
just a thought ...throwing it out there ....i,m just waiting for nick to adjust a sheet with my flatbet system to 111 spins...with a percentage meter on it..with an rng feature...its a 16 number bet ie 8 splits....i,m using it on bot at moment..bets every spin...very simple...lowest rate loss 35% highest win rate is 50%....when he,s done i,ll post it...average percent is 39 to 43%....so lets say that is the average percent...if say you have a meter running...the worst case scenario is 35% and well before the 111 spins..you hit this in the short term would you start betting here on the meter in such a short time until in profit a unit or two...and do the same again as it fluctuates down to that 35% within the 111 spin time frame...just putting it out there as an idea how to trap some of the elusive say 30% out of a 111 spins...
and thats 35% at the end 111spin time frame....so you know you will hit this worst case scenario....but in the short term if you are say down to 20% win rate virtual betting within that 111spin time frame could you in fact flatbet to to win units as it evens itself out over the overall game session ? but stopping betting when up 1 unit and again re bettng at the low running percent with your virtual win/loss count?
Burger anyone?
How to win given that riddle imaginary casino eh.
Rules:-
......only 100 spins max per session.
......can only bet on Black.
......fixed payout odds of maximum 30 blacks vs 70red outcomes
......free burger and beer for all left handed players
Hmm. .....how to approach this.
Watch and wait?
Play virtual for while?
Break game down into divisions of 20 spins and look for distribution curve?
If you got to 69th spin and all previous results were Red, I certainly know what to do....right?
After every decision you could look at the last 10 decisions and if blacks are running at close to the normal probability then bet on the next decision but if blacks
are running below normal probability then don't bet. Do this for each decision. How far below normal probability? Possibly 3 if out of the last 10 decisions are
black then don't bet. This would limit your losses during a bad session.
A positive progression would fix clusterd winnings.
Quote from: dennisbelle on Sep 06, 02:47 PM 2015
After every decision you could look at the last 10 decisions and if blacks are running at close to the normal probability then bet on the next decision but if blacks
are running below normal probability then don't bet. Do this for each decision. How far below normal probability? Possibly 3 if out of the last 10 decisions are
black then don't bet. This would limit your losses during a bad session.
I thought about that too dennisbelle; have a rolling set of 10 last decisions and if 3 or more of last 10 decisions are Black then don't bet else start betting on black until there are 3 out of 10 have occurred....?
i dunno though- something not right about it.
Thanks,
A.
a rolling decision over 10 spins doesnt work...ive had nick make some systems along these lines...a long time ago...i think the percentage factor where it hits a certain percent in the session time frame doesn,t make a fixed rolling static bet but more of a flow of the results during the session played...each session will flow at different rates and ebbs....rolling bases won,t cut it i think
The answer on the riddle is here already. ...
Now moving on....
How approach this way with a 50/50% bet selection? ???
PA,
Please confirm that denzie is right and that the answer is already in this topic.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 06, 03:33 PM 2015
PA,
Please confirm that denzie is right and that the answer is already in this topic.
A.
The one that know will not post answer here!, and the people who doenst know the answer keep banging the table!
[the way of 'how to', and "answer" already being preached here..not given, but preached..]
Quote from: denzie on Sep 06, 03:31 PM 2015
The answer on the riddle is here already. ...
Now moving on....
How approach this way with a 50/50% bet selection? ???
Denzie, what is 50/50% bet selection?
Of course if u know how to win, this riddle, even one unit, per day, u will suddenly refuse to post the answer here, lest, when words spread, the casino soon change rules, or closing down..hahahahaaww
Gentlemen,
Human are strange, gambling forum even more mysterious, people join forums, looking for answers, but when they stumbled upon an answer, to a Hg, suddenly they will change their mindset, and KEEP Quiet! WONT TELL.
Ever wonder , why a few members , suddenly inactive, and only pop up once in while, and keep in touch through mails... ???
THAT BECAUSE THEY FOUND THE ANSWER, AND JUST KEEP MUM...!
I am the one in the world to tell u how to build your own HG, but u need to read slo:lyyyy,and read carefully.
Thanks PA!
The answer IS in this thread - but veiled.
After reviewing your contributions and the subsequent replies and feedback and thinking hard earlier my subconcious mind has given me the "eureka" moment during rest time and I believe I now have the answer! The "riddle" is just a game and not part of the HG as you stated.
Each must come to his own understanding of it - so I shall not spoil the revelation that must come to them.
Like denzie, I am ready to move on to engineer the bet.
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 06, 09:05 PM 2015
Thanks PA!
The answer IS in this thread - but veiled.
After reviewing your contributions and the subsequent replies and feedback and thinking hard earlier my subconcious mind has given me the "eureka" moment during rest time and I believe I now have the answer! The "riddle" is just a game and not part of the HG as you stated.
Each must come to his own understanding of it - so I shall not spoil the revelation that must come to them.
Like denzie, I am ready to move on to engineer the bet.
Regards,
A.
Get ready to be attacked by thelaw and Co Atlantis, you MUST hand the HG to everyone on a platter you know. A lot of lazy parasites on this and most gambling forums. Very quick to rubbish people if they dont share all.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Today , I am going to preach boring ...stuff, about VARIANCE...
It strange no people asking about the Variance issue?
'Variance' is the MAJOR cause, of TERIBBLE huge-losses.
'Swinging-wide, of a BET selection' is tha major cause, of "WIN NOW, fell delighted, then, oh no, lose all br later"...
"Progression, or rather progressive progression, is the major cause of COMPOUNDING the FLAW of wide swinging bet selection", causing huge losses!
So now u understand now,
Unforgiving progression, mated to faulthy bet selection, will cause HUGE teribble losses, when VARIANCE hit!
What is this animal, called VARIANCE.
In simple wording, VARIANCE is long losing streaks with littlw win, in between.
In EC bet....
A row, of 10 losses, is very common.
A streaks of 20 with only 1 or 2, or 3 win , in between, also common!
If u research the Hamburg record, u will see that every 200spins of so, there will be streaks of long losses, with only a few wins!
Try to see your self.
Thats why casino's boss, not only laughing all the way to bank, but also, smirking & gigling all the way home, too!
So HOW to avoid VARIANCE?
Simply STOP the betting when the RISK become unbearable.
Rather lose a few winning chance, than risk losing huge streaks, and lose your BR!
The Respected Kattila has some good strategy on how to avoid variance, so do few members here..Maybe if u ask them, they will tell u, or just visit their previous posts.
Maybe some respected members here eager to share their potent variance avoidance here...
==============
one of the respected Kattila's method, is...
1]wait for a virtual hit..[no bet].
2]wait for a hit as trigger..[no bet]'
3]start bet...
4]stop if not hit for certain spins...
Thanks Kattila.
That virtual& trigger, of your, is AWESOME!!!
====================
Variance , is a complex issue, BUT when u understand them well, u can turn even the BAD wide SWINGING bet selection, into a HG!!!
How?,
By simply avoid the negative swing and bet the impedence positive swing....just that simple, but hard to understand...
Wait for next preach.
Ladies, and Gentlemen,
Since most of u had read and understand well, what I had preach so far..
Then I think we take a breather, as VARIANCE subject, too difficult and confusing for some...
We MUST understand the previous preaching very well, before we proceed, LEST, there will be misunderstanding and acrimony, later...
It just like introducing algebra to juniors, after they just memorize the multiply [up to 12x12=144, table]...just like that...What I get will just blank look...hehehee.
So take some time to pm each others, and think hard, and reread.
===================
Nevertheless, to make this preaching more EXCITING,
as I see some yawning!
---------------------------------
I introduce a new GAME,
a very simple riddle game of gambling,
so that u could understand quicker,
and then solve the [30wins, in 100spins, riddle game]...
and have your own HG!!!
==================
just pay attention, and read very care fully.
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=======================
In the next 100spins/set,
EVEN CHANCE bet.
there will be ..
50wins, and 50Loss.
[in any possible permutation].
ONLY RULE=FLATBET ONLY=1unit ,
no progression.
=======================
U may bet anyway u like!
U may choose to bet,
or wait to bet, to skip, to wait or not bet at all,
for the whole 100spins...and wait for next 100spins set!
in short , bet any ways u want.
EXCEPT, U only bet FLATBET,
1unit only,
..no progression.
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So how are u going to bet and win at least 1unit, or 10units, or any maximum, units possible.
===========================
Above GAME is very easy, and very simple.
Just after, a few seconds, of glimpsing the above rules, most of u already find the solution!
Very good, u are on your way to win the 30w/100riddle.
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And u, [one with a magnanimous heart], may post the answers here,
of how u win 1unit, or 2, or 3, or 10units...
so the bewildered newbie members, could understand easily...
=======================
Just wait till we're sure it's safe.
And yep we got 1u minimum and maximum. ...no idea. All up to how the outcome is...
The million dollar question : WHERE IS THIS CASINO ? ? :wink:
Quote from: denzie on Sep 07, 01:06 AM 2015
Just wait till we're sure it's safe.
And yep we got 1u minimum and maximum. ...no idea. All up to how the outcome is...
The million dollar question : WHERE IS THIS CASINO ? ? :wink:
The Answer: EVERYWHERE! :wink:
A.
If the question and results is a 50:50 ratio guaranteed as in this example the most obvious solution is just let it run until the swing is as wide as you dare think or what you want to win...ie if one ec outpaces another and if it's guaranteed to be 50:50 just let it get at least 10 difference allow for the allotted zero to show 3 times then you hopefully should take at least 7 big ones home....simple is as simple does...
Hi 6th-sense,
For a test I tried the PA "wonderland" casino riddle with its FLATBET 50/50 rules and whatnot.
I got the +7 OK. IMHO, was a good result.
A.
Quote
Gentlemen,
Bet with Atlantis' idea of series/single.
below an almost BALANCED, dozens, and column
bet dozen will series, vs single.
bet that a trigger of a new dozen will hit , ONCE
only, and wait for new dozen.
Namely single/series,
but bet a trigger of a series will hit at the second
time, and a single will be losing.
=hit68
=lose137
=33.1%
This winning hit AROUND the math expectation.
Thus how will u bet, with a very mild progression?
How to avoid variance?
When to cut loss..???
ABOVE JUST AN EXAMPLE, of searching for good bet selection, and match them with progression, to constantly win.
Interesting, PA that you thought it worth to try that on the DOZENS.
:)
A.
atlantis...could you tell us about hitrate, playtime, tracking?
how many l before w? how long do you play to get +7? how many
spins do you need to track before first bet?
thx
max
Quote from: RFMAXX on Sep 07, 07:16 AM 2015
atlantis...could you tell us about hitrate, playtime, tracking?
how many l before w? how long do you play to get +7? how many
spins do you need to track before first bet?
thx
max
Yes pls... :lol:
Ok...find a stable bet selection. .. check
Know when to go in ... check
But i still don't get why a progression is needed...
My head hurts again. .... as so is my finger from clicking those fast rng spins.
Atlantis : are you playing 111 sessions?
If yes: it's possible there are sessions we cannot bet ?
Denzie
Quote from: denzie on Sep 07, 07:50 AM 2015
Ok...find a stable bet selection. .. check
Know when to go in ... check
But i still don't get why a progression is needed...
My head hurts again. .... as so is my finger from clicking those fast rng spins.
Atlantis : are you playing 111 sessions?
If yes: it's possible there are sessions we cannot bet ?
Denzie
Hi denzie,
It probably just need a little more time to sink in.... :)
PA wrote:
Quote
So how are u going to bet and win at least 1unit, or 10units, or any maximum, units possible?
Just to let you know. I am still quite cautious and proceeding carefully for there is no rush. I have not yet played for real and am simply letting thoughts and inspiration to come as they may do and prompt me with ideas regarding feasible and appropriate bet selection(s) to try and investigate.
If they can hold up and pass the PA testing criteria - that is all to the good. :) That is - they must prove themselves as the "stable bet" referred to earlier.
Btw, I tested the DOZEN idea from PA a few times and was able to hit profit target.
I tried my EC idea regarding the singles/series. Knowing the stats behind the formation of series and singles within a given spin-frame (the appearance of the EC's is documented on the win-maxx site) you watch and see the imbalances and rtm.
I had several successful paper attempts with that too.
But I am also waiting to hear more tips or "preachments" from PA as well on any other aspects he deems worthy to post. It is all good fun, stuff really and makes a change from the usual forum discussions - Mind games, yes - but not to be taken too seriously or get upset with. :)
A.
I tried playing FTL with dozens just for 1 bet win or lose then wait for a change and bet the next dozen just once again. I found it very stable in limited testing. It needs more testing, but seems to be a good start. What you are looking for is doubles. Remembering that single dozens pay double. In the testing I did I rarely lost more than 5 units after 100 spins, but I only tested 50 sets of 100.
Denzie,
111 is just for testing purpose..for testing whether a bet selection, stable or wide swinging..
please read slowly and carefully to avoid confusion.
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Gentlemen,
below a table of 'what if',
STRICTLY only, for the GAME 50win/100spins...
dont confuse...
and then, after reading this table,
the newbie will soon understand how to bet the 50w/100 riddle GAME.!!!
[and then try to win the game 30win/100spin riddle game.]
The Table, below is STRICTLY, for the riddle GAME of [50win, in 100spins].
hope u understand...dont confuse, this just game, for u to understand how to avoid variance.
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what if first bet =1lose,
then there still 50win, in the remaining 99spins.
what if second bet lose=2lose,
then there still 50win, in the remaining 98spins...
what if third bet lose=3lose,
then there still 50wins, in the remaining 97spins
....and so on.
1lose,then there still 50win, in 99spins.
2lose,then there still 50win, in 98spins.
3lose,then there still 50win, in 97spins.
4lose,then there still 50win,in 96spins.
5lose,then there still 50win,in 95spins.
6lose,then there still 50win,in 94spins.
7lose,then there still 50win,in 93spins.
8lose,then there still 50win,in 92spins.
9lose,then there still 50win,in 91spins.
10lose,then there still 50win,in 90spins.
11lose,then there still 50win,in 89spins.
12lose,then there still 50win,in 88spins.
and so on....u get the idea...
13lose,then there still 50win,in 87spins.
14lose,then there still 50win,in 86spins.
15lose,then there still 50win,in 85spins.
16lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
17lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
18lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
19lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
20lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
21lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
22lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
23lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
24lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
25lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
26lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
27lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
28lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
29lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
30lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
31lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
32lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
33lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
34lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
35lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
36lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
37lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
38lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
39lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
40lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
41lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
42lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
43lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
44lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
45lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
46lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
47lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
48lose,then there still 50win,in spins.
49lose,then there still 50win,in 49spins.
50lose,then there still 50win,in 50spins.
the table above is strictly 'probability wise'.
In the reality, it will never ' 50lose', still have '50wins'..hahahaaaw
after scrutinize, the table above, u will understand,
how to EASILY beat the [50win, in 100spins] riddle game.,..,
with at least 1u win...by waiting,for...
and after u had this game beaten, u will now go on the beat the [30wins/100spins riddle game], and soon, after words spread...
casino all over the world will closing down, when millions of peoples know how to beat casino!
Quote from: helena on Sep 07, 08:50 AM 2015
I tried playing
Helena, u going the right direction.
Please delete , and keep secret, or else, when spread , casino closing door, when million people knows how to beat casino!
U see the internet spread very fast and furious!
hi all , well after my weekly vacation ,iam here again , i know many of u dont like that ,but...all the previous days i ve seen so many things that i support like pa does in his threads , i like to say that i agree with the most of his claims , but i want to state about variance , and i ask u do u ever wonder that what u call variance sometimes causes by cheating? if u dont get my point iam refering about dealers and how can change the spin outcome , this is the no 1 factor for me before even go and play in the casino, how to avoid cheating by the dealer ,now u dont tell me that its a very rare event , no its a very common one , and has to do with practice ,like every other thing in life , let me tell u that in my neighbor i see every day an old man [more than 75] to turn his back in the basket and shoot and guess what? in 90% thier shoots ending succesfull !! now think a young person what can do everything its about practice dont be fooled, anyway there are books [like r.renos] that speak about whole this , saying that u CAN NOT create any grail without taking seriously these claims , i ve seen guys that try to bet on 12 no sectors [ and ive done itmyself in the past!] well u leave 2 other 12 no sectors and its very easy for the dealer to shoot where u have no bet ! am i wrong at any point ? i really like to hear PA opinion about it as he started all these . :smile:
Quote from: P.A on Sep 07, 09:05 AM 2015
Denzie,
111 is just for testing purpose..for testing whether a bet selection, stable or wide swinging..
please read slowly and carefully to avoid confusion.
==============================
Gentlemen,
below a table of 'what if',
STRICTLY only, for the GAME 50win/100spins...
dont confuse...
and then, after reading this table,
the newbie will soon understand how to bet the 50w/100 riddle GAME.!!!
[and then try to win the game 30win/100spin riddle game.]
The Table, below is STRICTLY, for the riddle GAME of [50win, in 100spins].
hope u understand...dont confuse, this just game, for u to understand how to avoid variance.
===============================
how to EASILY beat the [50win, in 100spins] riddle game.,..,
with at least 1u win...by waiting,for...
That's what i wanted to hear...
Thx Wong...
My eureka has arrived. ...
Quote from: P.A on Sep 06, 09:31 AM 2015
The 111spins is just for testing your bet selection purpose,
why 111?
Because 37numbers of roulette, times three=111, has 3 zero probability, then , easy to understand...and see the edge %
sorry for the misunderstanding...blame my English!
Happy to see I (1eleven) could inspire you, P.A/Kimo.
And no, your English has nothing to do with it.
oh dear....
Oh dear...
oh dear...
Ok , first thing first.
1] I am no 'accomplice" of Mr.Petespin.
I never PM, or email, or whatsoever, in any communication, with Petespin.
when I first comment on Petespins reply on my others thread topic, weeks ago, I dumbfounded when someone accused me of sort of 'accomplice' with him, [by someone I respected]. Only after I read about his 'posting' and 'warning' on forums...then only I feel sorry for myself for not reading his posting earlier.
2]Petespin has the right to post any where he likes, and I cant protest his presence here.
BUT, no...! Please dont say and accuse me a scammer or anything like that and start war of word, and the last thing I want is this thread locked, or deleted...
I had promised the respected TURNER, this is my LAST topic, before I disappear for good.
3]Hi Petespins,
with respect.
My preaching here is BASED ON FACTS THAT MATH BOYS CANNOT DISPUTE!!!
So, if u want to discuss, anything, that based on MATH, that cant be disputable, by the respected math boys, then u are very welcome.
and I cant comment on anything that based on 'physic', or cheating dealer 'perception'.
May u please start your own thread, with topic of DEALER's...cheat.
I believe u will have many readers.
Thanks.
Quote from: 1eleven on Sep 07, 09:28 AM 2015
Happy to see I (1eleven) could inspire you, P.A/Kimo.
And no, your English has nothing to do with it.
Welcome 1-11
with respect.
For once and for all,
I need to tell, I am Wong, I am a Chinese, from a small country,
in Asia...GMT+8
Kimo Li is in the USA.
[The respected Turner can prove this.]
and please, dont start a war, here.
I will disappear forever, when I complete my preaching here.
Thanks.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 07, 06:41 AM 2015
Hi 6th-sense,
For a test I tried the PA "wonderland" casino riddle with its FLATBET 50/50 rules and whatnot.
I got the +7 OK. IMHO, was a good result.
A.
i was not taking the mickey...that is a good result i meant by big ones actual big money...if you solve it and flat bet your basebet can be large....
Quote from: P.A on Sep 07, 09:42 AM 2015
Welcome 1-11
with respect.
For once and for all,
I need to tell, I am Wong, I am a Chinese, from a small country,
in Asia...GMT+8
Kimo Li is in the USA.
[The respected Turner can prove this.]
and please, dont start a war, here.
I will disappear forever, when I complete my preaching here.
Thanks.
Right, because IP spoofing is really difficult these days.
No proof needed. It's clear as day.
The war should be against the casino, not others.
The focus should be profit made from the CASINO, not others.
So, stop pretending like you 'know' something others do not.
POOF. Disappear, my friend. Game over.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Sep 07, 09:50 AM 2015
i was not taking the mickey...that is a good result i meant by big ones actual big money...if you solve it and flat bet your basebet can be large....
Hi 6th-sense,
I never thought that you were taking the mickey anyway. :)
Of course... Sure. Flatbet can be larger if you wish.
(In the 30/70 game you probably use a mild progression)
A.
i want to assure anyone here , iam not related with PA , simply we both have similar ideas as how roulette can be beaten ... thats all , the most important factor of course is variance ,i always beleived so well also i ve speak about expectation , and iam pleasant to see that PA based his claims on this one ! lets see now variance and expectation , yes its a deadly combination ! p.s every time i try to post someone else does the same ! so popular thread!
Elleven
If you have doubts about members locations in the world contact the mods or report the post. Let us deal with it. Dont bring accusations into the posts.
All your guessing is wrong. PA is from Malysia and Kimo Lee is USA.......consistantly.
Maybe I wasn't clear. REMOVE MY ACCOUNT, not the last post.
Quote from: 1eleven on Sep 07, 11:28 AM 2015
Maybe I wasn't clear. REMOVE MY ACCOUNT, not the last post.
Thats one for steve. I will pass your request on
If you come to a forum of a particular subject and inject yourself into a group of people who spend hours testing and sharing results, and you talk in circles expect to be met with this sort of thing.
It's insulting to those that take time
I believe p.a., giorgis, Petespin are all somehow connected. If I'm wrong so what.
The point is you come and make claims that the casino will close its doors be prepared to be judged. Because we have seen this a dozen times before and its annoying.
here is a sheet as promised thanks to nick...works on the bot too..will only put ratio win rate up a few hundred spins i think...now you could use this as an example of a win ratio % when to bet within the 111 spin time frame...
One or two members have asked me to show a result from one of my session tests.
So here goes...
A result testing the DOZENS method PA posted earlier in this thread:
Session last for 48 spins
I did not play every spin.
I won 11 bets
I lost 9 bets
I played 20 units in total
I won 33 units
I lost 20u
Profit = +13u
There were 20 bets made in total
Max drawdown = 2u
The highest bet was 1u
Start Bank = 100 ; End Bank=113
Lowest bankroll=98
It's what you can do if you solve RIDDLE and play 30/70 with mild progression.
A.
Thx for sharing!!!
I never understood the.....remove my account stuff? Simply log-out, delete this site off of your bookmarks, ignore emails and never come back. Problem solved.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 07, 12:53 PM 2015
If you come to a forum of a particular subject and inject yourself into a group of people who spend hours testing and sharing results, and you talk in circles expect to be met with this sort of thing.
It's insulting to those that take time
I believe p.a., giorgis, Petespin are all somehow connected. If I'm wrong so what.
The point is you come and make claims that the casino will close its doors be prepared to be judged. Because we have seen this a dozen times before and its annoying.
meanwhile.....others are taking the hints and doing something with them.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 07, 02:21 PM 2015
One or two members have asked me to show a result from one of my session tests.
So here goes...
A result testing the DOZENS method PA posted earlier in this thread:
.............
A.
Can we have the spins (actual) to go along with? Please?
Quote from: Turner on Sep 07, 03:56 PM 2015
meanwhile.....others are taking the hints and doing something with them.
Wasn't "giving hints" banned in the forum rules ?
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 07, 03:59 PM 2015
Wasn't "giving hints" banned in the forum rules ?
O0
Ok,,,I chose the wrong phrase
Im just observing that there are people moaning, and people getting on with it....and no one who is getting on with it is moaning and no one who is moaning is getting on with it.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 07, 04:22 PM 2015
Ok,,,I chose the wrong phrase
Im just observing that there are people moaning, and people getting on with it....and no one who is getting on with it is moaning and no one who is moaning is getting on with it.
Wasn't being pedantic Turner, it was a genuine question honest..... :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 07, 04:28 PM 2015
Wasn't being pedantic Turner, it was a genuine question honest..... :thumbsup:
O0
Rigghtttttt
Sorry Darko my friend...
Text can hold meaning unintended.
You have a point though
Here we go again. Non PA fans please refrain from posting, whether you like it or not some of us are getting something from this thread.
@ Helena
I see you have made progress then?
Quote from: helena on Sep 07, 04:47 PM 2015
Here we go again. Non PA fans please refrain from posting, whether you like it or not some of us are getting something from this thread.
agreed....but its close to the edge
Quote from: helena on Sep 07, 04:47 PM 2015
Here we go again. Non PA fans please refrain from posting, whether you like it or not some of us are getting something from this thread.
Hi Helena,
I tried your FTL DOZ.dgt script in RX from another site and it came out positive +111 in 500 spins. Max drawdown - 76. :)
PS.
@Chrisbis: Good heavens! I have gone green. Yay!
Atlantis.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 07, 05:52 PM 2015
Hi Helena,
I tried your FTL DOZ.dgt script in RX from another site and it came out positive +111 in 500 spins. Max drawdown - 76. :)
PS.
@Chrisbis: Good heavens! I have gone green. Yay!
Atlantis.
Well done Atlantis, was that v1 or v2? I have not had a chance to look at the changes Spin made for me yet. v1 had some errors.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 07, 05:05 PM 2015
@ Helena
I see you have made progress then?
Some Chrisbis, PA has opened my mind you might say.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 07, 11:01 AM 2015
Elleven
If you have doubts about members locations in the world contact the mods or report the post. Let us deal with it. Dont bring accusations into the posts.
All your guessing is wrong. PA is from Malysia and Kimo Lee is USA.......consistantly.
Turner, There is no point wasting time on this..
Look at Kimo -Li's posting.. The english is perfect.
Here the English is not.
He has the right to give hin't making people work and get the understanding of what they are doing.
Which comes back to the same issue Winkel had, people don't want to try things and want to have it laid out to them on a platter.
"He has the right to give hin't making people work and get the understanding of what they are doing.
Which comes back to the same issue Winkel had, people don't want to try things and want to have it laid out to them on a platter." >>> Wrong answer. 100% or nothing. Not 70%, not 85%.....100%.
Some peoples EGO get inflated regarding......LOOK WHAT I HAVE, DON'T YOU WISH YOU HAD IT (mind you, if they have anything at all).
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 08:17 PM 2015
"He has the right to give hin't making people work and get the understanding of what they are doing.
Which comes back to the same issue Winkel had, people don't want to try things and want to have it laid out to them on a platter." >>> Wrong answer. 100% or nothing. Not 70%, not 85%.....100%.
Some peoples EGO get inflated regarding......LOOK WHAT I HAVE, DON'T YOU WISH YOU HAD IT (mind you, if they have anything at all).
Ken
I guess we have a conflict, let me go back to the same issue of education. Not all professors give you everything, they brief out stuff that are important and leave the rest for you to go and do your research.
....and thats awesome!!! Here, its 100% or its deleted, have a nice day.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 08:33 PM 2015
....and thats awesome!!! Here, its 100% or its deleted, have a nice day.
Ken
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
10 pages of this "stuff" and my head is spinning. Not real sure what the ACTUAL title of this thread should be...
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 08:41 PM 2015
10 pages of this "stuff" and my head is spinning. Not real sure what the ACTUAL title of this thread should be...
I don't want to go into a battle with this but read this...
Small minds can't comprehend big spirits.
Do you know where I got it from?
Those who are actually following this. Look up in VLS forum a member called: Know when to quit.
Follow his postings. Unless I have mis-read that thread a few years back. I have a feeling he was heading in the same direction.
Cool two posts! 100% or its deleted....we can keep going? 100% or its deleted.
Ken
We need minds and strategies. Not "only say it in PM, delete it now before casino sees it!"
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 07, 09:10 PM 2015
We need minds and strategies. Not "only say it in PM, delete it now before casino sees it!"
He has said nothing in PM.
He has put it right out for you all to read it.
If you can't read and understand, go else where , no one will spoon feed you.
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 09:10 PM 2015
Cool two posts! 100% or its deleted....we can keep going? 100% or its deleted.
Ken
This will actually show how much much knowledge you have about the game.
Quote from: Azim on Sep 07, 09:14 PM 2015
He has said nothing in PM.
He has put it right out for you all to read it.
If you can't read and understand, go else where , no one will spoon feed you.
Whenever someone explained he said delete and discuss in PM
Can someone please give a briefing on what all has been discussed,tweaked,achieved,systems,bets,etc. in this thread. Thanks!!! ???
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 07, 09:16 PM 2015
Whenever someone explained he said delete and discuss in PM
Maybe maybe he is trying to see who actually is working on the stuff.
Has anyone tried to pm him and has he sold you anything?
If he has and you can actually prove it. I will stand corrected.!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: onetaste on Sep 07, 09:17 PM 2015
Can someone please give a briefing on what all has been discussed,tweaked,achieved,systems,bets,etc. in this thread. I've been following it for a couple days now reading and rereading the posts and all i've got is something about a damn riddle,variance,and a mentioning of a one time bet dozens method. Thanks!!! ???
There really isn't any briefs that I know of. You will have to carefully read from the first page to understand it.
So in other words Azim, can you post the actual RULES or direct me to an EXACT page of the RULES?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 09:34 PM 2015
So in other words Azim, can you post the actual RULES or direct me to an EXACT page of the RULES?
Ken
Before I do that. Simple question? Is that your understanding of what he is doing?
I'm going off of the 7 PMs of complaints.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 09:39 PM 2015
I'm going off of the 7 PMs of complaints.
Ken
Thank you that's what I thought was happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will not sit here and have 7 rotten apples ruin the basket for the rest.
For those who are following this thread correct me if i am wrong.
He has told each and everyone you have the HOLY GRAIL yourself.
Follow what you know about the game and use your own bankroll to make the grail.
He is taking you step by step in how to get there... without giving anything on a platter!!!!
"He is taking you step by step in how to get there... without giving anything on a platter" >>> In other words, not 100%, correct? Lets try this again. Did he or is he posting a method, not 100% complete? Its YES or NO. As I have asked you....will you post all (100%) of these rules or direct me to the EXACT page of the rules?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 09:54 PM 2015
"He is taking you step by step in how to get there... without giving anything on a platter" >>> In other words, not 100%, correct? Lets try this again. Did he or is he posting a method, not 100% complete? Its YES or NO. As I have asked you....will you post all (100%) of these rules or direct me to the EXACT page of the rules?
Ken
Once again. We are not on the same page I guess..
There are no rules.. It's an explanation of how to create your own HOLY GRAIL. Hence the title "P.A : Preaching about HG"
MrJ,
I am going to say this: I would not have stood by the person if there were any rules to be given out and he is with holding them.
Will that solve your issue?
Is that fair?
There is somewhere on this 11 pages plus what we have created someone has said he is walking us through the steps.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 03, 10:54 PM 2015
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I wanna start a topic about how to build your OWN hg..
But I afraid, some members here will start , "war, and battle of nasty words" ,
that I a scammer, cheater, whats not...and then locked, by the respected Turner...
The Fact, is I never take anyone money, and never try to sell anything. THAT "HG for sale", just a title for attention, to that THREAD.
And I did received inquiry about price and I decline any sales/buying offer.
hehehe...
======================
As usual, and as any preaching, it will be long and repetitive and boring,
but hey, that the only way to learn.
If I publish them in front-page newspaper, no one will understand them.
But when I start a single article, some members, that I really cant comprehend till now, will always want to hurl hurting words at me.
Though I say"CASINO will closing down",
it true, if people already understand what I mean, soon casino will closing shop, or change rules!
I wont anything now, just want to see if anybody disagree or disagree for me to continue...preaching...
If more members here say "SHUT-UP",
more than members,
who say, "PLEASE PREACH about your HG ideas",
Than I will SHUT UP forever, and ever, and keep my peace mind
ps:no selling! Just preach.
please respond.
Sorry MrJ.... Here it's actually his own words...
If you are comfortable with HINTS.....just like the Scooby Doo mystery hour, I guess thats *YOUR* preference. This can go 50 pages and at the end, it'll mean nothing.
Ken
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 07, 07:04 AM 2015
Interesting, PA that you thought it worth to try that on the DOZENS.
:)
A.
Atlantis
is this an example on how to play on dozens? when a new dozen shows bet it ONCE?
dozen 1
dozen 2
here bet dozen 2
dozen 3
dozen 3
dozen 2
here bet dozen 2
thanks
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 10:06 PM 2015
If you are comfortable with HINTS.....just like the Scooby Doo mystery hour, I guess thats *YOUR* preference. This can go 50 pages and at the end, it'll mean nothing.
Ken
Which is what he said to all before he started, i will keep my mouth shut if that's what majority want!!!
Hence wanting to do what professors do go do your own research!!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 07, 10:06 PM 2015
Atlantis
is this an example on how to play on dozens? when a new dozen shows bet it ONCE?
dozen 1
dozen 2
here bet dozen 2
dozen 3
dozen 3
dozen 2
here bet dozen 2
thanks
Roulette Ghost stay out of this!!!!! Sorry the reason why I say that is you all post your methods here and ruin it for the guy.
Open up another thread and call it prctise or testing whatever!!!!
Quote from: Azim on Sep 07, 10:09 PM 2015
Roulette Ghost stay out of this!!!!!
oh sorry....didnt mean to ask a question directly related to roulette.....instead of bickering with a moderator....oops
@Azim >> Let me ask you this. Among these 11 pages, what have you learned regarding playing a better roulette game (I did not say a method)?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 10:12 PM 2015
@Azim >> Let me ask you this. Among these 11 pages, what have you learned regarding playing a better roulette game (I did not say a method)?
Ken
Let me answer it this way, do you think I would have wasted my time and your's in trying to stop you from deleting the thread?
I haven't been logging in but I get emails on this topic.. I have been following it ever since he started
I will askSteve and you to both go for the last 50 messages of posting we have done and delete them. That just ruins a good thread on the forum. we have just ruined it.
Working theory :
PA started with a lie and will end with the truth........................................... :question:
Something is not adding up here.
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 10:18 PM 2015
Something is not adding up here.
Can we please discuss this in pm... I hate to ruin a good thread.
A good thread? Nope, I'll figure it out. Been doing this too long, something aint right in Dodge.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 10:18 PM 2015
Something is not adding up here.
Mr J,
I'm coming off a 3 day ban, so take it for what it's worth, because clearly I'm a trouble-maker, but here it goes :
PA started another thread after accusations from the first of not providing an actual system, and/or attempting to sell his system. In the second thread, he offered the HG for sale, only to admit later that it was a scam/gag/trolling to see if anyone would actually pay for the grail. I called him out after I noticed that he was not responding to actual $$$ offers within the thread. Then he started this thread with his "philosophy" of how to build your own HG with no actual concrete directions, just more misdirection designed to garner more attention, after claiming again and again that this was his last post.
Oh, and his infamous interjections on other threads of asking people to delete their posts as they have the HG and the casinos will shut down.
So there you have it.
Glad to see a mod actually stepping up to deal with the troll.
Much appreciated! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 07, 10:28 PM 2015
Mr J,
I'm coming off a 3 day ban, so take it for what it's worth, because clearly I'm a trouble-maker, but here it goes :
PA started another thread after accusations from the first of not providing an actual system, and/or attempting to sell his system. In the second thread, he offered the HG for sale, only to admit later that it was a scam/gag/trolling to see if anyone would actually pay for the grail. I called him out after I noticed that he was not responding to actual $$$ offers within the thread. Then he started this thread with his "philosophy" of how to build your own HG with no actual concrete directions, just more misdirection designed to garner more attention, after claiming again and again that this was his last post.
Oh, and his infamous interjections on other threads of asking people to delete their posts as they have the HG and the casinos will shut down.
So there you have it.
Glad to see a mod actually stepping up to deal with the troll.
Much appreciated! :thumbsup:
+1
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 09:39 PM 2015
I'm going off of the 7 PMs of complaints.
Ken
Let me give you a math question we have 1100 members in the forum...
Give and take 30% might be active which makes it 330 member's and you get complaints from 7 and you want to be the hero.
MrJ, no disrespect at all please I can tell you it doesn't add up..
Unless you can prove me wrong again.
I will stand corrected!!!!
Quote from: Azim on Sep 07, 10:33 PM 2015
Let me give you a math question we have 1100 members in the forum...
Give and take 30% might be active which makes it 330 member's and you get complaints from 7 and you want to be the hero.
MrJ, no disrespect at all please I can tell you it doesn't add up..
Unless you can prove me wrong again.
I will stand corrected!!!!
........and this, ladies and gents, is what allows scammers to keep trolling this forum.
Pure greed. We are so desperate for a way to beat the game, we will buy into whatever cult is offered up, no matter how ludicrous.
PA has offered up zero new info......................only cobbled together info from other posts/forums.
Just one question for all of the believers :
How does a relationship started with a lie end with the truth??? :sad2:
This is how stupid the 7 are....
PA somewhere even said when crossing a busy road, you just don't jump and cross.
Comon People who are following this thread. Please correct me or least you can do is agree!!!!
Quote from: Azim on Sep 04, 03:53 PM 2015
I am one who will say, I am against people getting scammed. If you remember, with Falkor, i was blunt in saying that he was out to scam.
However, what I don't understand is, If you all think P.A. is out to scam people, why are you reading his thread?.
I personally, don't know the person. I have been reading all his thread and reading between the lines.
Give the guy credit. Yes he has started on the wrong path. However, he has been giving people good advice.
I am back to saying. Don't expect to get a holy grail on a silver platter unless you willing to pay for it. The cost will really be an arm and a leg.
P.A good advice so far.
MrJ, This is just from the first 10 postings!!! Does it ring a bell!!!!
Oh well time to go.. Hope this thread is there when I get back!!!
I really want to see which mod is going to stand behind the 7 who don't have to read this thread.
Moderators,
Please, please...
Please dont locked or delete this thread..please..pleasee..
I beg U...really...
Let me complete this preachings and then I will be gone for good. Please..thanks.
=============================
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Today I will preach and give u answer how to solve the "Only50win in 100spins, GAME riddle"
After u know how to solve this [only50win/100], then u will understnd how to solve the "ONLY 30win/ 100spins"!
And after u understand how to solve the '30w/100riddle', u will realized , or relly understand how to avoid the VARIANCE in real bet, and go on to make your own HG...
U must not confuse..this is JUST A GAME! It not a grail.
But playing this game will bring u closer to real understanding of "variance avoidance"!
=========================
ok . let start...
-----------------------
"Only50win in 100spins, GAME riddle"
bet flat 1u only. Any way u like.
---------------------------
Any expert will see that there will be 50win/50lose ratio.
and u need to understand the ABSOLUTE WIN.
one single L, Lose=-1u=one absolute lose
L, Lose=-1u=one absolute lose
------------------------------
w, =one absolute win=+1
LW=0 ,no profit.
LLW=-1,
LW,W=+1, one absolute win=+1u.
LLWW=0.
LLWW,W=+1, one absolute profit...
LLLWWW,W=+1
----------------
w, =
LW=0 ,no profit.
LLW=-1,one absolute loss
LW,W=+1,
LLWW=0.
LLWW,W=+1,
LLLWWW,W=+1
LLLWWW,L=-1,one absolute loss
LLLWWW,LL=-2,TWO absolute loss.
hope the NEWBIE understand, if not read many time...
===============================
strictly for,
50win/100spin riddle.
----------
if first spins=win, then there will be 49win in next 99spins. U cant win flat bet.
if first spin=win, second spins=lose, the there will be
48win, in next 98spins. U cant win flat bet
-----------------------------------------
If third spin=lose...there will be 48win in next 97spins..
and u cant WIN 1u, FLATBET!
The expert already understand, but the newbie still bewildered...
Newbie, please reread, and will soon understand.
=======================
strictly for,
50win/100spin riddle.
.
say, u have
--------------------------
1st spin=win
1w, then 49wins remain in next 99spins
----------------------------------
2nd spin=win
thus u have
=TWO wins, then, 48wins remain in next 98spins
-------------
3rd spin=win
thus u have
THREE wins, then, 47wins remain in next 97spins
-----------------------
Now u see that u CANT win the remaining spins, with flat bet...unless there are ABSOLUTE LOSS!!!
WHY???
===================
=====================
strictly for,
50win/100spin riddle.
say, u have
1st spin=win.
2nd spin=lose...
3rd spin=lose..[now 1 absolute lose!]
and there will 49wins, in next 97spins.!
and u will win 1u flatbet!
=========================
All the expert members already understand before I post this..
But the newbie bewildered..keep cool, reread the post, and slowly u will EUREKA...
Then after understand this, u may try to solve the "ONLY 30wins, in 100spins"
and after U solved the '30w/100'. u will EUREKA, and go on build your own HG!
If u cant understand , u may PM other member for discussion.
[Please Dont PM me.]
Wait for next preaching.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 06, 11:37 AM 2015
Hi Denzie,
All the pro that silently making money in casino, has ONE trait.
The wait, and wait, and wait, and wait...
They did not rushing in to lose money, it rather wait, and wait, and not losing money,then rush in to lose money.
Impatient kills!
A successful businessman, lawyer, doctor, artist, etc, make huge money after years in their profession,
Never even heard they becomes wealthy after a few months!?
------------------------------------------
Gentlemen,
A hint...
That riddle game 30wins /100, will have so many permutation, of course some will have "clustered wins" some where....?!
What do you think of this advice?
BTW there are 19 member's who have posted on this thread.. lets take Turner, Yourself(MrJ) , Himself(P.A) and myself(Azim)
we have 15 member's of which 7 have complained what do you think 8 other's are doing?
Mr J, please do not delete this thread. I am resonably new to roulette and I have gained knowledge from PA's posts. As Azim has pointed out, just because there are 7 misguided complainants amongst 1000+ members is not a reason to deprive the rest of us of knowledge being provided.
Have to say..as the thread went on,the more i thought the bloke was BS'n. But I actually think there is something to this variance issue.Would like to hear him out to see if (and when) it goes anywhere.If we are another couple days in and the posts still consists of "riddle me this",etc. then adios amigoz.But for the time being,i'm for extending a little more leverage to his ideas. P.A,continue on sir.
Agreed....do continue.
7 pm's is nothing. If you don't like his preach then don't click on it. Taadaaa everyone happy.
Now back on topic : if you solve the 30/70 riddle aaand you know the rfh is 69/200 recorded so far....yep.
Of course they will not close doors but he opened my eyes and im forever thankful. XièXiè Wong .
Ps...and if a new record will be set we didn't lose much. And what are the odds anyhow it will be you that moment.
Carry on preacher...it toke some time but I've got it .
Quote from: Azim on Sep 07, 11:16 PM 2015
What do you think of this advice?
BTW there are 19 member's who have posted on this thread.. lets take Turner, Yourself(MrJ) , Himself(P.A) and myself(Azim)
we have 15 member's of which 7 have complained what do you think 8 other's are doing?
The other 8? Hopefully making an appointment with a psychotherapist.
Ken
How anyone can win from a thing called roulette if they can't even control themselves to keep clicking on the thread?
Azim let him ....there's no point debating to a wall.
But i do take MR J his reply really offensive and not in place here.
He just called hundreds of people stupid....and this for a Mod...
Anyway carry on P.A.
And MR J and co...pls let those who wanna know learn.
If nothing come from this we still learned 2 lessons....look your w/l ratio and that we no longer proceed to believe anything we see or hear...
Azim now has a temp ban. As for the thread, its alive and kicking.....have fun I guess.
Ken
Quote from: denzie on Sep 08, 12:35 AM 2015
How anyone can win from a thing called roulette if they can't even control themselves to keep clicking on the thread?
Azim let him ....there's no point debating to a wall.
But i do take MR J his reply really offensive and not in place here.
He just called hundreds of people stupid....and this for a Mod...
Anyway carry on P.A.
And MR J and co...pls let those who wanna know learn.
If nothing come from this we still learned 2 lessons....look your w/l ratio and that we no longer proceed to believe anything we see or hear...
Hundreds? Stupid?....what? As my above post says, have at it with the thread.
Ken
First, some members want the mod(s) to get involved with regards to "cans of crazy", then they dont. Then they want it, then they dont. Then they want it, then they dont. Okay.....but any complaints (for this thread) direct to another mod, not me.
Ken
I for one have no complaints about this thread...........
Its refreshing, and about time someone opened the 'eyes, ears & nose' of this wonderful game.
I'm told I'm close to getting it........how close I don't know..... and that is not just solving the riddle (or riddles since there's one or two now on offer), but actually altering for life one's approach to the game of Roulette (and probably other games too).
I keep going through the play rules.....not the rules of the game, but the rules of how you apply yourself to the game.
that's where this revelation is based by P.A.....now ably assisted by members X,Y & Z.....the ones who have seen the light.
Sound like a riddle in itself?.... well it isn't.....just I need to get my mind set into seeing where the play method needs to change, and then go find or work with others, to find good solid Bet Selections for that process.
For that is all we need to conquer the game.................a definitive process.
So please Moderators, please don't lock or suspend this Topic.
I see only good things on the Horizon.
Cheers
Law
You were banned for suggesting the mods wernt banning PA on your say so because they were involvef in the scam...now you kiss Kens a*rse.
Make your mind up.
Leave moderating to the mods. Use the "report to mod" button. Or PM me. What ever
Azim suspended ?.....i,m sorry to hear this MR J.....although you are a mod and having people pm ing you...7 i believe out of the whole forum this is a bit extreme ....Azim is a great poster and deserves more respect than this for saying it as it is...maybe you name these disgruntled people...most of the main posters on this site is involved in this thread...some having a great time solving the riddle....are these disgruntled people also main posters?...
Just becouse you yourself are against PA or his cat and mouse game....a lot of us like it...its a bit of fresh air and pulled me back in to posting.....you have just acted like a parent with a child....the child has a solid argument and becouse you as the parent didn,t like what you heard...you had the authority and means to silence him....
I have a lot of respect for the pair of you...but with threatening to close the thread when a lot of people are enjoying it apart from the 7...has made you look like a mod weilding tyrant in my eyes...people should not be suspended when they were in the right arguing with you...your job as a mod is hard....bring back Azim and be a proper mod and show him some respect...he argued with you in the open...not in privte messages....are you also going to suspend me too for this post?
The other 8? Hopefully making an appointment with a psychotherapist.
Ken
and what the hell kind of statement is this towards us other posters....maybe you should be suspended too and show a bit more respect towards the forum members.....
you just can,t make this stuff up..reading is believing....bring back the Azim
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am going to preach about VARIANCE, and how to see and understand what, and how , a VARIANCE, BEHAVES!!!
Lets make an EXPERIMENT.
If u a programmer, then u could do this experiment and see for your self.
------------
1]REAL Roulette record data,
EC bet,
eg. Bet only RED.
[or any EC.]
2] No progression,
bet only 1unit.
3]Bet every spin.
4] Bet for 100spins, stop.
that [ONE set], of a 100spins.
5] bet few hundreds sets, or thousands set.
6]Make a profit/loss,
line CHART for every set.
7]then take a hard look at the charts.
U will see, that , around half of the charts will, ending at the hundredth spins, at around 2.7%, plus or minus above or below,
the line of 0.[zero-value].
Then u will see that the other half,
the lines, will have "SPIKE"...
The chart line will move up suddenly, and stay there, zig-zaging , higher or lower, and the finish at the 100th spins, at high profit , or lower loss.
[and u understand that in EC bet,IF 'red', produce profit, then the 'Black' will at "loss"]
and now u understand why, simply choose an EC, of r/b, o/e, h/l...are dangerous, and fatal for your BR.
Now some expert here will say,
"Oh, I knew that long ago, so what?"
That 'spike' is 'VARIANCE',
of -10u,-20u,losses...
and u dont know how to face them...
This BET selection, has WIDE SWINGING trait...
When u are lucky, u happened to bet the positive side, and when u are 'unlucky',
[as it will happen soon, as u look at the chart],
and coupled with an aggressive progression, and u soon lose your BR...
==============
So ladies&gentlemen,
How we avoid VARIANCE?
Simply stop betting when they happen...
just that simple...
JUST that simple??!!
Yes, just that simple...
why should be complex?
The understanding of variance, is complex, but 'facing variance' is really simple.
As I say before, Kattila has good strategy of avoiding Variance.
Just read his post.
Here I show u how to avoid variance in EC.
1]wait for a virtual win.
2]wait for a trigger,THAT HIT IN 4SPINS, AFTER VIRTUAL, to bet.
[if trigger failed to hit after 4spins,abort, and repeat no.1]
3]after trigger, bet for 4time.
4]stop bet if lose 4time.
5]repeat 1.
below a sample,
L
L
W=Virtual win=no bet.
L1
L2
L3
L4..no trigger, abort.
L
L
L
L
L
W=virtual
L1
L2
L3
L4...no trigger..abort.
L
W=virtual
L1
L2
W=trigger![bet next]
W=hit
L1
L2
w=hit
L1
L2
W=hit
L1
L2
L3
L4...no hit, abort.
L
L
w=virtual
L1
w=trigger
L1
L2
L3
w=hit
L1=
L2
L3
W=HIT
L1
L2
L3
L4, NO HIT , ABORT.[so on]
L
L
L
above sample an extreme variance, that u may face!
and that only a simple one from Kattila's...[thank u]
=======================
MIND U! The variance avoidance, not a strategy to profit straight away, but rather TO AVOID HUGE LOSSES!
If your bet selection, is stable,
coupled with mild progression,
[aggressive progression is suicidal!]
and when u could avoid VARIANCE, then when variance hit, u avoid the HUGE streaks...and will recoup when, the variance passed.
[the one who know the answer wont post here...the one who doesnt know, will keep banging the table, and I am the one to slo:lyyy preaching to tell u...]
:)
please, just leave the acrimony behind, and move on..
====================
Ladies and Gentlemen,
the Variance issue, is difficult to understand but very easy to implemented!
---------------------
And MIND U!
Variance avoidance not a "quick profit", but just avoiding trapped in long streaks of losses, and lose your BR,
which will come sooner or later!
Thus , now , u understand why, progression, and variance will caused HUGE LOSSES, if your selected BET SELECTION, always SWING WIDE!!!
============
below a even simpler variance avoidance, for EC.
[by a respected member, who doesnt want his name publish here]
He argued that since EC breakeven=2spins, L,W, ...
then we risk by taking 4spins.
==================
simply bet for 4spins after trigger, and STOP, when hit by four streak losses!
just that simple...why should be complex?!
---------------------------------------
below a sample, just as same as previous post.
======================================
L
L
W= trigger
L1
L2
L3
L4.. losses, abort.
L
L
L
L
L
W== trigger
L1
L2
L3
L4... losses, abort.
L
W== trigger
L1
L2
W= hit
W=hit
L1
L2
w=hit
L1
L2
W=hit
L1
L2
L3
L4...losses, abort.
L
L
w= trigger
L1
w=hit
L1
L2
L3
w=hit
L1=
L2
L3
W=HIT
L1
L2
L3
L4, NO HIT , ABORT.[so on]
L
L
L
====================
And, again, reminder!!! MIND U!
Variance avoidance not a "quick profit", but just avoiding trapped in long streaks of losses, and lose your BR,
======================
what your opinion.
Thanks.
Ladies, and Gentlemen,
I believed ,
that, after I posted the answer, of..., how to solve the,
'Only 50wins/100spins',
Many newbies here already,
"Aha, eureka, or hahaha...",
and now, know how to solve the '50w/100GAME....
and now proceed to
solve the,'only30w/100'.
To the "still bewildered" newbies,
let me explain, in easier, how to solve the "50w/100".
As you see, 50win, in 100spins, also mean 50w/50losses ratio.
If u see an ABSOLUTE 'LOSS',
that a real loss of 1unit, after other 1win, offset by 1 loss,
then the rest will have at least 1unit profit, when u bet the rest, flatbet.
eg.
1w, followed by 1 lose, then there still 49win, and 49lose, in remaining 98spins...
That u cant win 1u, flatbet...
Why?
because 98-49=49...Thus u cant win 1u flatbet.
U need to wait for ONE, absolute loss.
eg.
after 1w, and 1 loss, then the next=1 loss..
Thus , u have 1win,2loss= 1 absolute loss... and now there, still, 49wins, and 48losses in next 97spins.
And now u can see 49wins, minus 48losses=1unit profit...
===================
Now if u want to maximise profit,
u wait for HUGE numbers of absolute losses.
eg.
After 20 spins, there are say, 5wins, and 15 losses.
Simple arimathic,
there still 45wins, and 35losses, in next remaining 80spins.
Thus 45-35=10units profit.
Hope u understand.
and now, using similar understanding, how u going to win the "Only 30wins, in 100spins"???
Thanks.
wait for more exciting but boring preaching.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 08, 03:03 AM 2015
Law
You were banned for suggesting the mods wernt banning PA on your say so because they were involvef in the scam...now you kiss Kens a*rse.
Make your mind up.
Leave moderating to the mods. Use the "report to mod" button. Or PM me. What ever
I was responding to an open question on this thread from another mod, which is my right as an active member.
As for why I was banned, we'll have to agree to disagree apparently.
In the future, pm me regarding your personal opinion about me as to not air our dirty laundry in the middle of a public thread. Thank you.
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 08, 05:56 AM 2015
In the future, pm me regarding your personal opinion about me as to not air our dirty laundry in the middle of a public thread. Thank you.
Only if you do the same
I'm with Mr J
Firsty his comment about the other 8 needing a psychotherapist I believe most of you misunderstood. I believe he meant they'll need a therapist for ensuring this thread
Secondly he's trying to enforce all or nothing because it creates a bad environment
Thirdly we already know the things PA has stated and its eerily similar to the falkor type so members have their guards up
Lastly azim was calling people stupid. If you call a mod stupid you will be put on a vacation
Good-day to you PA,
You wrote:
Quote
Variance avoidance not a "quick profit", but just avoiding trapped in long streaks of losses, and lose your BR.
What your opinion?
Understanding your points it is clear that when we get variance to the "expected norm" we should let it have its way - let the busy traffic on the road pass by - and then make our move to cross safely. Now we reach another crossing so we must be careful and wait and look around and studying the amount of traffic once more and see how much and what it is doing before we start to cross again....
On another forum it was said by Palestis:
Quote
You only emerge to strike when the opportunity is by far in your favor. Then you retreat. You can't beat this strategy. There is nothing the HE can do to hurt you and neither the variance. Because you don't have to bet long enough to become a victim of either or both.
Hit and run is the way to go as long as you know when to hit.
and ekaps wrote:
Quote
Probability, HE, and variance don't 'strike'. They aren't sitting around the corner waiting to pounce on you, how silly!
Probability IS the game of roulette. The house edge applies to every single bet you make. Variance is the natural up and down and in and out of any betting system. These things are not your enemy, they are just the game playing out like it's supposed to. Your job is to find a bet selection that smoothly plays the ins and outs and lets you win more than you lose.
And abalaha:
Quote
It is not the house edge that can not be surpassed. Progressive betting is meant for that only. It is indeed variance that empties both flat bettors as well as progressive bettors and virtual limits that you can get of variance momentarily is unbeatable with any progressive betting.
A.
Albalaha has an interesting post on his website where he defines breakeven point and how to handle variance.
link:://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/4332355/How-to-fight-with-the-worst-enemy-of-gamblingVariance#.Ve7GRfk5G1s (link:://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/4332355/How-to-fight-with-the-worst-enemy-of-gamblingVariance#.Ve7GRfk5G1s)
"EUREKA "
By jove I've got it........at last.
Thanks for that last post Atlantis. ......nice job.
I'm so glad I have seen the light.
Hallelujah. ....those who kept trying got it.
Effort pays better then any inside/outside bet :thumbsup:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 08, 07:49 AM 2015
"EUREKA "
By jove I've got it........at last.
Thanks for that last post Atlantis. ......nice job.
I'm so glad I have seen the light.
Wikipedia:
"The eureka effect (also known as the aha! moment or eureka moment) refers to the common human experience of suddenly understanding a previously incomprehensible problem or concept. Some research describes the aha! effect (also known as insight or epiphany) as a memory advantage,[1] but conflicting results exist as to where exactly it occurs in the brain, and it is difficult to predict under what circumstances one can predict an Aha! moment.
Insight is a psychological term that attempts to describe the process in problem solving when a previously unsolvable puzzle becomes suddenly clear and obvious. Often this transition from not understanding to spontaneous comprehension is accompanied by an exclamation of joy or satisfaction, an Aha! moment. A person utilizing insight to solve a problem is able to give accurate, discrete, all-or-nothing type responses, whereas individuals not using the insight process are more likely to produce partial, incomplete responses.[2]
A recent theoretical account of the Aha! moment started with four defining attributes of this experience. First, the Aha! moment appears suddenly; second, the solution to a problem can be processed smoothly, or fluently; third, the Aha! moment elicits positive affect; fourth, a person experiencing the Aha! moment is convinced that a solution is true. These four attributes are not separate but can be combined because the experience of processing fluency, especially when it occurs surprisingly (for example, because it is sudden), elicits both positive affect and judged truth"
A.
Ladies and Gentlemen.
Now I want to preach about, the complex aspect of variance.
The expert members, will easily understand what I
I say here, while newbies will find I talking in Latin.
The Variance.
The Variance is simply long streaks of losses,
with too little wins, in between...
that hard to beat with mild, or agreesive progression.
Below some samples, of EC bet.
If U know how to beat those variance, then U aready to build, and posses a HG.
U may bet anyway, u like, with any progression, and any variance avoidance strategy.
And if u understand and realize how to beat the sample variance...then, soon u will build your own HG.
See and try,
if u can beat those variance.
Of course , u need to beat them with,
a single-same-method, for all 4 samples!!!
sample 1.
[LLWLWLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLW]
SAMPLE 2.
[LWLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLLLLLWLLLLL]
SAMPLE 3.
[LWLWLLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLWL]
SAMPLE 4.
[LWLWLLLLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLW]
If u realized the best way to beat those variance above, U already possessed a HG, and ready to beat the casino!
A few members here knows...of course they wont say anything here.
and please dont PM me...for answer!
U need to do some research , yourself!
==========================
Read slowly what I had preach. Understand every criteria well..
dont read too fast, read to UNDERSTAND.
========================
I believed, many already understand , how to win the riddle '50wins/100spins',
as I already show u the answer,
and the method to beat them...
and I believed, many still busily, and scratching their head, trying to beat the riddle of the...
30wins/100spins...
as the strategy and method, are same!...
Only more complex, and need deeper understanding of variance avoidance.
------------------------
Only after u realized how to beat the 50w/100, and the, 30wins/100spins,
Only then,
U will understand fully,
what I preached here
the criteria,
and build your OWN HG!!!
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 05, 11:46 AM 2015
Yes - I agree we should not expect to win win win all of the time with such methods as these.
A.
PS. I'm not sure whether PA has already got the answer to this (HG) or if this is his clumsy way to get US to help and cooperate in finding such a solution for us all. He is reluctant to divulge or share much of the detail if he does possess the answer. He seems to relish repeating facts and preaching a lot...
This. Exactly.
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 07, 02:27 PM 2015
I never understood the.....remove my account stuff? Simply log-out, delete this site off of your bookmarks, ignore emails and never come back. Problem solved.
Ken
And I guess I'll never understand the mods not doing what's asked or required. The problem is not solved until these con artists are long gone... thankfully PA
CLAIMS to be on his way out.
@ 1eleven
.......but member P.A. isn't undertaking a scam of any sort....as far as I and several other interested members are concerned.
Quote from: 1eleven on Sep 08, 05:08 PM 2015
And I guess I'll never understand the mods not doing what's asked or required. The problem is not solved until these con artists are long gone... thankfully PA CLAIMS to be on his way out.
Nope....talk to Turner about it.
Ken
Quote from: 1eleven on Sep 08, 05:08 PM 2015
And I guess I'll never understand the mods not doing what's asked or required. The problem is not solved until these con artists are long gone... thankfully PA CLAIMS to be on his way out.
100% correct!!! :thumbsup:
I will make one caveat though; a few members asked to keep the thread going, and a mod responded in kind, so this forum will reap what is sows................
One last thing: a bold prediction :
this thread will not produce one single system that beats the game over 10,000 spins (long term)...............I must be psychic >:D
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 08, 05:24 PM 2015
@ 1eleven
.......but member P.A. isn't undertaking a scam of any sort....as far as I and several other interested members are concerned.
You're right. He blatantly lies for what reason?
Good luck with this out dated, FLAWED logic he keeps spewing.
I'll be sure to keep an eye on all those casinos closing down and changing rules from someone who claimed he hasn't even played in years.
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 08, 05:26 PM 2015
100% correct!!! :thumbsup:
I will make one caveat though; a few members asked to keep the thread going, and a mod responded in kind, so this forum will reap what is sows................
One last thing: a bold prediction : this thread will not produce one single system that beats the game over 10,000 spins (long term)...............I must be psychic >:D
EUREKA!
Bazinga!
Bingo!
Aha!
sample 1.
[LLWLWLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLW]
SAMPLE 2.
[LWLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLLLLLWLLLLL]
SAMPLE 3.
[LWLWLLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLWL]
SAMPLE 4.
[LWLWLLLLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLW
I cant beat these, can anyone enlighten me?
Quote from: 1eleven on Sep 07, 11:28 AM 2015
Maybe I wasn't clear. REMOVE MY ACCOUNT, not the last post.
Sorry Eleven, I forgot to do this
I'll just ban you. Same thing as having your account removed
Cheers
.......also, keep in mind this is a member who told people over and over again to delete their posts, or the casinos would shut down!!!
But now he is sharing the HG.............................. :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 08, 05:26 PM 2015
100% correct!!! :thumbsup:
I will..................
One last thing: a bold prediction : this thread will not produce one single system that beats the game over 10,000 spins (long term)...............I must be psychic >:D
Where is the claim, within the threads, that said that this Topic
would ever make a method beat 10,000 spins(long term)?
I don't remember that monumentous challenge!
This is all about getting each and everyone of those interested in the unique game of roulette to
look at it in from a different angle, and join up a few rules/applications that we may have been using in isolation.
If you read the whole thread again, start to finish, .................well.................you just never know!
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 08, 05:37 PM 2015
.......also, keep in mind this is a member who told people over and over again to delete their posts, or the casinos would shut down!!!
But now he is sharing the HG.............................. :question:
half of us agree that something fishy is going on and some see him as well intentioned. I'm with the first half
the law and others alike let it go its getting us nowhere focus on other threads
he will go just as he came and another like him will come again
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 08, 05:36 PM 2015
sample 1.
[LLWLWLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLW]
SAMPLE 2.
[LWLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLLLLLWLLLLL]
SAMPLE 3.
[LWLWLLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLWL]
SAMPLE 4.
[LWLWLLLLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLW
I cant beat these, can anyone enlighten me?
hey tom
a 8 step marty after 3 virtual losses beats every one of these
just sayin
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
His EXACT WORDS:
"if u can beat those variance.
Of course , u need to beat them with,
a single-same-method, for all 4 samples!!!
If u realized the best way to beat those variance above, U already possessed a HG, and ready to beat the casino!
A few members here knows...of course they wont say anything here.
and please dont PM me...for answer!
U need to do some research , yourself!"
beating these with virtual losses and a marty is hardly a HG?!?!
@ thelaw :) Please - a reality check here - Nobody is going to play it for 10,000 spins.
@1eleven ? But rules are all members are free to post any time of the day from whatever timezone if they so wish, whenever is convenient and is their whim or desire - I do not think there is anything wrong or mysterious about that.
Law
You are just at it again. We know what you think. We know you have the Ba*ls to speak out. Well done you.
Just stop now. We get the picture.
Mr J doesnt want to deal with this thread. He wants me too.
Like I said previously, some are getting on with it and some are just moaning.
You are in the latter.
Why dont you post some refutation to what PA is saying. Something intelligent.
Show us how what he is saying doesnt work.
I dont care, just stop getting on a soap box and trying to rally support. its disruptive.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 05:44 PM 2015
@ thelaw :) Please - a reality check here - Nobody is going to play it for 10,000 spins.
I thought testing a method/system for 10,000 placed bets was the least anybody should test for ?
O0
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 08, 05:37 PM 2015
Where is the claim, within the threads, that said that this Topic would ever make a method beat 10,000 spins(long term)?
I don't remember that monumentous challenge!
This is all about getting each and everyone of those interested in the unique game of roulette to look at it in from a different angle, and join up a few rules/applications that we may have been using in isolation.
If you read the whole thread again, start to finish, .................well.................you just never know!
So Reyth on Roulette30 used this same ploy with the veiled "generating ideas" approach.
About 15 pages into his testing of the Kav bet strategy he stopped posting his daily totals. I called him out and asked why; his answer "this is just an experiment- no need for a win/loss record or total". The thread started to peter out, and then right after Kav offered his system for sale (to the day actually) Reyth stopped posting on that thread and became a Mod.
But why don't we all just post whatever we want? Any idea helps right? All discussion is good right? :question:
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 05:44 PM 2015
@ thelaw :) Please - a reality check here - Nobody is going to play it for 10,000 spins.
@1eleven ? But rules are all members are free to post any time of the day from whatever timezone if they so wish, whenever is convenient and is their whim or desire - I do not think there is anything wrong or mysterious about that.
I just posted the 10,000 spins number because if I said "long term" someone would have popped up and said "what's long term".
Just trying to save some time.......
@theLaw
so....discuss what you have learnt from this topic.
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and long term to most players, is about the length/duration of an average session of a game of Roulette.
Guys,
I’ve been reading this thread since it started, and it’s something which has got me thinking somewhat (slightly) differently about roulette, which in my opinion, is a good thing, certainly for me anyway...when I log in and check this thread, I’m not expecting a detailed breakdown of an HG, as I don’t believe there is such as a thing as ONE HG...., however, I believe, you can find something which suites your style of play, by a different way of looking at things, and as PA advised, you can have your OWN HG, which will be different from what someone else does/likes, I believe you have to get a “feel/understanding†for what’s going on around you, during your play, although, the hard bit is trying to get that “feel/understandingâ€, to me this thread (and other threads, and posters on the forum) are helping me with this.
As an example, I think there are some good EC systems on the forum based around betting DSs, which give quite consistent W/L ratios, therefore, using the examples both Atlantis & PA have posted, can this maybe make them win more consistently for me, I don’t know, however, I enjoy trying to find out though.
And, to now sound controversial, if you don’t like the thread, why bother reading it...guys, there is plenty of stuff on the TV which I don’t like, therefore, I don’t watch it, yeah, it’s on the TV guide when I’m checking to see what’s on, do I select it, of course I don’t, why would I waste my time watching c**p like that, however, what I think is c**p, is another person’s enjoyment/entertainment, and so it should be, they are entitled to indulge themselves in what I think is c**p, and I’m sure they would think some of the stuff I watch is c**p, and so they should.
Jim
RouletteGhost wrote:
Quote
beating these with virtual losses and a marty is hardly a HG?!?!
Agreed. Marti is not going to be an answer for a HG... If you KNOW the results beforehand like he showed it is EASY then to reverse engineer... BUT in real play YOU DON'T KNOW what going to happen!
I think what he's setting out to show you here is just how dangerous it could be to actually use a progression such as marti, I mean just think if there were a few more LL's in those strings... And the thing is you do get these long horrible losing runs.
I would wait for next preachment when he may elaborate further.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 06:11 PM 2015
RouletteGhost wrote:
Agreed. Marti is not going to be an answer for a HG... I think what he's showing you here is just how dangerous it could be to actually use a progression such as marti, I mean just just think if there were a few more LL's in those strings... And the thing is you do get these long horrible losing runs.
I would wait for next preachment when he may elaborate further.
A.
I will definitely be here to read the next one....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 08, 06:13 PM 2015
I will definitely be here to read the next one....
i am in. riddler...preach :thumbsup:
atlantis is much respected by myself
if hes listening maybe ill stay quiet and listen to
even though I have a bad feeling
i guess they are testing their findings extensively.
thats what i wanna do too: eureka and test it with my numbers.
Just to let you guys know.........there is no specific method or bet selection that has been found here.
I would suggest you re-read the P.A. posts, and try and read between the lines.
The info is there, repeated over and over and over again......hence why its 'A Preaching'
You will get it....its an application of yourself, not what or how much to bet...but when, why and do you really need to now?
Then you too will come out with a list of "Rules".......play technique rules lets say.
I can give you the first one, I'm sure Atlantis won't mind me showing you the path......
1st Rule..................You Don't Need to Bet Every Spin.
Now go find the others, and achieve your Eureka moment......... 8)
There is an easy way to rectify this whole situation :
If anyone finds the HG from the info on this thread then:
#1 - PA gets full credit for igniting the idea by starting this thread
and
#2 - They must post the full system
If not, then we will be right back to where we are with Winkel or Kimo Li's material.
Problem solved - Everyone walks away a winner!!! :thumbsup:
I look forward to reading the HG!!! :love:
Chrisbis is right. It's not so much the system you employ - it's about loss avoidance, variance, imbalance and return to mean. (And JL's beloved "hit 'n' run") Don't you just love it! All those factors working IN YOUR FAVOUR. :)
Yes - I did post a result using DOZENS series earlier in this thread where I stated that I didn't play every spin.
A.
I just don't get the BIG secret
if its a secret why join a forum
cat and mouse chases
riddles
hints
why? for what? for that individuals own self happiness? gets off and being chased? the thrill of having an audience and people bickering? causing people in a forum to argue who otherwise would not have been arguing
what is the thrill?
got something? share it....if not then why even start?
point I'm making is all of the unnecessary things that have happened
pages and pages and pages
thread after thread after thread? for what? people getting worked up
he could have easily done this in one post with examples....without saying keep it secret or delete what u have just said
doesn't anyone see the psychology here? the weirdness behind it?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 08, 06:50 PM 2015
point I'm making is all of the unnecessary things that have happened
pages and pages and pages
thread after thread after thread? for what? people getting worked up
he could have easily done this in one post with examples....without saying keep it secret or delete what u have just said
doesn't anyone see the psychology here? the weirdness behind it?
16 pages and counting........ :sad2:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 08, 06:50 PM 2015
point I'm making ......
he could have easily done this in one post with examples....without saying keep it secret or delete what u have just said
doesn't anyone see the psychology here? the weirdness behind it?
No...I don't see any weirdness.
This isn't about keeping a secret.
Its not about "I have something....and they don't"
Its about...YOU and he, and her and them over there, reading the text and getting to a point where you go:
"Ah...I see what they mean now"...all for yourself.
Self enlightenment I believe they call it!
RG,
Nothing being withheld - you just need to solve the riddle then you will UNDERSTAND.
Answer is in this topic.
You will have the "lightbulb" moment - need to think and review the posts and reason a little.
Your intuition and subconscious mind will do the rest to enlighten you.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 06:57 PM 2015
RG,
Nothing being withheld - you just need to solve the riddle then you will UNDERSTAND.
Answer is in this topic.
You will have the "lightbulb" moment - need to think and review the posts and reason a little.
Your intuition and subconscious mind will do the rest to enlighten you.
A.
will give it a whirl....
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 06:57 PM 2015
RG,
Nothing being withheld - you just need to solve the riddle then you will UNDERSTAND.
Answer is in this topic.
You will have the "lightbulb" moment - need to think and review the posts and reason a little.
Your intuition and subconscious mind will do the rest to enlighten you.
A.
Why does the word RIDDLE need to be in any roulette post? Lets say I am a dummy (no jokes) and just cant figure it out. Can you (or PA) post it in simpler terms WITHOUT the "riddle"?
If yes, why is it not already posted in that manner?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 08, 07:03 PM 2015
Why does the word RIDDLE need to be in any roulette post? Lets say I am a dummy (no jokes) and just cant figure it out. Can you (or PA) post it in simpler terms WITHOUT the "riddle"?
If yes, why is it not already posted in that manner?
Ken
that's the point I'm making
unnecessary
the whole "trying to get people to think" "figure it out on your own with these hints" is mentality that is just bizarre in a gambling forum
If it really is HG or "near HG"
I dunno.
PA warned of danger of full disclosure or spread broadcast.
Lots here watch this forum - not all members - do we really want such info to get out wider like wildfire to the undeserving?
It not my topic or call. Up to PA. If he sanctions it - well ???????
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 07:10 PM 2015
If it really is HG or "near HG"
I dunno.
PA warned of danger of full disclosure or spread broadcast.
Lots here watch this forum - not all members - do we really want to get out wider like wildfire to the undeserving?
It not my topic or call. Up to PA. If he sanctions it - well ???????
A.
So which is it???
Does he want this HG out or not???
atlantis since he never shared a system and only gave hints and said words to open minds and inspire then he wouldn't be opposed to anyone sharing?
To add something....I dont care if its roulette, blackjack, craps etc etc....... no casino will ever CLOSE its doors or change its rules based off of a message board, sorry. The only example I have ever heard of.......calling no more bets PRIOR to spinning the ball but thats not method related.
Ken
the one thing I do agree with is sharing with the un deserving
Listen, I am *CLOSE* to the top people here at my local casino. As soon as I figure this big mystery out, I'll type it and hand it to the top guys. They will laugh, followed by tossing it in the trash. No roulette rules here will be changed.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 08, 07:15 PM 2015
atlantis since he never shared a system and only gave hints and said words to open minds and inspire then he wouldn't be opposed to anyone sharing?
I 'm not disputing that and I do understand that - and I know how you feel. Because I felt like that too before I had the "eureka" moment. Afterward, I thought Ah! this P.A character was right to veil his knowledge.
BECAUSE IF EVERYONE REALLY DO THIS - Casino *could* eventually close or change rules.
A.
1. When someone claims to have the HG, people jump on it. But has ANY such claim proven to be true? Or have they all tanked?
2. Once you know the method of bet selection, you can know if the system fails or has a chance of working because almost every system is the same thing repackaged a different way.
3. Like Ghost said, why all the hints and crap? Typical reasons provided.
4. How many people claim to have a winning system but actually earn a living from roulette?
5. Testing over 10,000 spins is insufficient. If you have roulette xtreme, try random bets for 10,000 spins and sometimes you will still profit. Even 20,000 spins is insufficient. The old argument is no player will likely even play 10,000 spins in their life, so why test it over so many?
Because imagine 100 players all using the same system, each for 100 spins (total 10,000 spins). Some are winners, MOST are losers. The winners think they have the HG. The losers see it's just another losing system. The casino thinks both groups are idiots, does the math, and counts the profit.
Kav and his system for sale is a good example. He says his system wins in tests with 20,000 spins. But every time? No, and not even most of the time. Because if it was most of the time, then he would say his system wins over millions of spins, but he says the opposite but tries to justify it by with the argument explained above.
So if anyone wants to test this new HG, a test over 10,000 spins is not sufficient. You realistically need about 1m spins to have real data.
Someone once asked before why then you need much fewer spins with roulette computers. It's because with computers you can see real physical factors such as ball bounce, where the ball falls, the computer's prediction on where the ball will fall from the ball track etc.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 08, 07:18 PM 2015
the one thing I do agree with is sharing with the un deserving
Geez, you and I think alike. (you mean not sharing?) Yeah, I have to give that one to PA, I agree there.
Ken
"You do not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs"
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 07:29 PM 2015
"You do not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs"
Look closer................those eggs are painted!!! :sad2:
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 07:29 PM 2015
"You do not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs"
Post 237 was not answered. If you CAN, you dont have to post it here. Feel free to PM or email me.
Ken
I will not spoil things for PA or others on this one.
The answer is in this thread. You can easily find it. Just solve the RIDDLE and IT IS YOURS.
Goodnight.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 08, 07:38 PM 2015
I will not spoil things for PA or others on this one.
The answer is in this thread. You can easily find it. Just solve the RIDDLE and IT IS YOURS.
Goodnight.
A.
PA now apparently has an accomplice.............I mean assistant. :sad2:
atlantis is a good guy
he is trying to respect P.A.
not that I agree with that, and for the most part I agree with you, but atlantis is good
hey if atlantis says there is something I believe there is!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 08, 07:46 PM 2015
atlantis is a good guy
he is trying to respect P.A.
not that I agree with that, and for the most part I agree with you, but atlantis is good
This might be true, but he's playing PA's game now, so he must accept responsibility for his statements.
Will he just become another Winkel? :question:
My show is coming on soon (Below Deck). You all can laugh, not many watch it but I find it funny as heck. Its on Bravo. Not really a manly show, I know (lol).
Ken
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 08, 07:49 PM 2015
This might be true, but he's playing PA's game now, so he must accept responsibility for his statements.
Will he just become another Winkel? :question:
Just because you are too lazy or not smart enough to find the answer yourself does not give you the right to make accusations. This thread is a goldmine and personally I love the fact that PA has posted all he has. I hope no one posts a full method here. Lazy people should never benefit from the hard work of others.
Instead of posting criticism all the time get off your ass and work it out.
Here you go doola
Go have a ball
link:://brainden.com/forum/ (link:://brainden.com/forum/)
P.A. youd make moderator in no time there
Ladies, and Gentlemen.
Her a short preach about testing system...
INSTEAD of testing your system,
for 1000, or tens of thousands, or millions, or billions, or trillion spins..
try to, see, to look hard, to identify, to test and REALLY understand what is the
WORST 'spin sequence' that can ruin your system...
That caused u to lose your BR!
I think, looking for the "cause", that destroy your system, or the "special-variance" that could quickly depleted your BR, is more appropriate than testing for million spins.
Newbies may not understand what I mean here, but do some research...
Thanks.
Would have been cooler if you started in the blog section rather than the for sale section. Would have made more sense.
You'd have this cool blog preaching all of this with all your tips
I say give PA a blog thread!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 08, 08:07 PM 2015
Here you go doola
Go have a ball
link:://brainden.com/forum/ (link:://brainden.com/forum/)
P.A. youd make moderator in no time there
Are you a member RG? ;D
Quote from: doola on Sep 08, 10:04 PM 2015
Are you a member RG? ;D
No they booted me. Something about me not having a tolerance for hints. Bastards they were
Ladies, and Gentlemen,
Here a preach, that , please listen attentively.
Expert members will understand , but newbies still needs some researching, and deep understanding of roulette.
=================
I believed a few member here already line out a few,
systems that have...
1]STABLE bet selection that always win, or rather LOSE at AROUND..."H. edge."=-2.7%
2]Mated to a mild progression.
3]Have sort of 'VARIANCE-avoidance' strategy.
4]Cut lose ...parameter.
=========================
Now , if u test your system, say, for example,
for 100spins/set,
and for a few tens , or hundreds of set.
U may notice when u look at the results,
that among the sets,
there will be a few cut loss, or 'Variance' that seems impossible to beat , and need to cut loss.
====================
Now, if u line up your testing,
[of the continuous testing of course.]
U will see something like this.
1st.set=profitable
2nd.set=profitable
so on..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=LOSE!
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=LOSE!
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
..set=LOSE!
..set=profitable
..set=profitable
above just an OVERSIMPLIFIED example, but u see the concept
U will see that, among the profitable sets, there are a few unavoidable "lose!" sets.
So one of the VARIANCE avoidance is, u see, if your sets, seldom, have 'BACK to BACK', "lose".
Then u can start bet when a set has lose.
hoping that 'BACK TO BACK' wont happen.
But even if it happened, then u could offset with another few winning sets, after "betting-after-a-lose-set"
=========
eample.
1st.set=profitable=NO BET
2nd.set=profitable=NO BET
so on..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=LOSE!======TRIGGER!
..set=profitable=WIN the SET!
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=LOSE!=====TRIGGER!
..set=profitable=Win the SET!
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=profitable=NO BET
..set=LOSE!=====TRIGGER!
..set=profitable=win the set!
..set=profitable
..set=LOSE!=====TRIGGER!
..set=LOSE!=====LOSE THIS SET!
..set=profitable=NO BET.
and so on..
U get the idea...
=============================
This is not ONE of the BEST,
=========================
but at least u now slowly understand the COMPLEXITY of this 'VARIANCE' subject, which is difficult to understand yet very easy to implemented..
Now a few of members here will "AHA, EUREKA, or YES!"
because this idea, will give birth to another ideas...YOUR own ideas...
==================================
Any working system revolves around bet selection (method of prediction).
Everything else is secondary, including stop-loss, money management, progression etc.
It is impossible for a system to work without effective bet selection. There's no way around it. Anyone who understands why forgets about progression, and focuses on increasing accuracy of predictions. Most people dont understand why it's absolute certainty.
Below a preaching for NEWBIES only.
For I see some newbies still scrathing their heads...
[Expert will yawn wide, and find this repetitive, thus may skip this...Thanks.]
Ladies , and Gentlemen.
Bet selection.
The MATH Boys, had arguing and shriek their lung out, telling the world , that there will be IMPOSSIBLE for a bet selection, to surpass, or superior than the HOUSE EDGE!
and all selection, will eventually, lose-2.7%!
=============================
And I tell u...
They are absolutely RIGHT!
Please dont search for a bet selection,
that will surpass the -2.7%, of roulette.
U will NEVER find one! NEVER!
Roulette's 666, [is a HG, for the casino], MATH wise...!!!
----------------------
If we CANT have a superior, then, what we look for?
Try to look , for a selection, that LOSE constanly, accordingly to the EDGE, of -2.7%...
["WHAT?!!!" U shake your head in disbelieve..."Everyone looking for something..superior, and then this preacher, tell us to look for ..'CONSTANT LOSER'!?]
Look for a bet selection, that CONSTANTLY and CONSISTENTLY lose -2.7%...
"Doesnt ALL bet selection, will -2.7% then?"
U may quipped.
Yes, but not all swing equal among the unequal!
Most of the Bet selection, will SWING WIDELY.
for example, if u simply, choose to bet one EC,
[ BLACK, or RED, or EVEN, or ODD, or HIGH, or LOW...(bet only 1unit, no progression, bet all spins)]
Say u bet RED,
U will elated when u win , say +15units...
but, as time goesss by, u will soon,
lose -15...and this will happen many time, till the effect of -2.7, caused u to lose your banroll.
[Math wise u will lose 3units in 111spins.]
==============
so we must look for a Bet selection, that will not swing wide, that always wins, or rather lose, around -2.7%..that the math boys, can dispute.!
After u found that Bet selection, now , u mated it with a very MILD progression.
Why very mild progression...?
Since, the bet selection, will not SWING wide, a mild progression, will win, whenever the win/lose ratio,..near breakeven!
[The GLC, whom I respected greatly, has many mild progression, in his 3000+ posting!
Thanks GLC...]
No progression will win, if the bet selection SWING widely!
The best example is Martingale..u win, and win, win, and then, when Marty swing once, you
are broke!
Agressive progression, will only COMPOUNDING the SWINGING flaw!
And now u understand why people, scratching their heads, why they won, initially, and then, one swoop, they lose their earlier winning plus their bankroll?!
Because, of SWINGING bet selection...or more aptly, VARIANCE!
Variance, in simple example, say, only 2, or 3 wins, in next 20spins!!! And that will happen many time!!!
---------------------
Say, if u found a bet selection, EC, and after a million SET test, [of say,100sins/set], that always have constant around -2.7%,and worst win/lose ratio, of 40%...
And now u are very confident, that the next 100spins, will have at LEAST 40% wins,
then how are u going to bet?
What progression, will u applied ?
How are u going to avoid Variance, if and when it comes,
and when to cut loss?
When the expected catastrophic losses happen?
Think hard, and do some research.
[please dont PM me, for easy answer.
U need some brain raking research, so u will understand and "AHA, EUREKA, or HAHAHA!"]
==========================
ps:I AM NOT, IN ANYWAY, AFFILIATE WITH ANYONE HERE..OR ELSEWHERE..THANKS.
@P.A.
Game, Set, and Match Sir :thumbsup:
Fully with you now......(Penny dropped) 8)
Variance Avoidance.........Tick. (basically....its do your research before you bet!)
QuotePlease dont search for a bet selection,
that will surpass the -2.7%, of roulette.
U will NEVER find one! NEVER!
Actually there are many methods of bet selection that overcome the house edge.
QuoteTry to look , for a selection, that LOSE constanly, accordingly to the EDGE, of -2.7%...
Thats easy to do.
Quoteso we must look for a Bet selection, that will not swing wide, that always wins, or rather lose, around -2.7%..that the math boys, can dispute.!
What you are saying is combinations of bets have a connection. But the fact is each bet is independent.
And you are saying to use a mild progression. Mild or not, progression is progression. And progression is merely different size bets on different spins. Nothing more. If you don't first have accurate bet selection, it makes no difference besides varying the rate at which you lose.
QuoteAnd now u are very confident, that the next 100spins, will have at LEAST 40% wins,
This is like saying wins are "due", but nothing is ever "due". If you have 100 reds in a row, the odds of red spinning next are still less than 50/50.
Unfortunately I cant find any hint or clue of substance. If you are going to help people, help them without riddles.
If you want to help people but dont want undeserving people to have your secret, then sell the system for a reasonable price. But protect the secret by creating software to host on a server with hidden algorithms, so people can use it without knowing the secrets.
But what you are giving is vague information that makes people run in circles. And parts that are even remotely clear appear to be typical gambler's fallacy.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 09, 01:21 AM 2015
Unfortunately I cant find any hint or clue of substance.
They are there. You have to look hard. For me this has been one of the best threads on the site for a while. I am sure others will agree.
Variance is volatility. From your clues, here's what I think you mean:
Bet on numerous ECs at the same time. Then use a mild progression so that you don't blow your bankroll too soon. On ECs that lose, increase your bet (progression). Lower bets on ECs that win. And eventually, there will be a balance that occurs.
This wont work at all because:
1. What you are doing is a bunch of different bets that have no connection at all.
2. Eventually yes the balance will occur in the long term. But even when you win, you still lose the 2.7%. So balance or not, you still lose.
It's like betting on almost every horse in a race. Even if you win, you are still going to lose. Then if you lose, try again on the next race but increase your bets. This is back to martingale. But then imagine doing careful research on the horses to predict the winner. That's what advantage play is.
QuoteThey are there. You have to look hard.
I can see the hints that have significance. The problem is what's being said is not accurate. Perhaps I'm just not understanding them.
@ Steve
I don't think its about that sort of horse race......its more subtle than that.
Let me give you an example.
Say you are in a group of ppl, who are betting on the colour of the next car to turn the bend in the road.
The corner (bend) is blind, so you don't know what is coming till last moment. No cars can be seen, until you have placed your bet.
Bet made, and 'no more bets' is called.
(BTW...you don't have to make a bet every time)
The next car is on its way, and out of the 36 colours of cars that you can bet on, a car will turn the bend.
Which colour would you bet on ....and why?
My research, indicates that the most popular colour of car is Silver in the country today.
and that a Silver car accounts for one in every 10th to 19th occurrence on the road. (Average grouping)
And a Silver car is often seen in clusters of two's, three's and four's.
Do you bet initially or wait?
Do you wait till 10 coloured cars have past and then start betting?
If you start betting after 10th car showing, and lose, do you progress?
Or, do you wait until 18 cars have been seen, and if no show of Silver, begin betting then?
So, the game is :-
Research
Wait for opportunities
Virtual bet if your bet has a trigger
Trigger bet if you see it
Bet....but don't always bet every spin
R w/l
Avoid variance
(all of which are mentioned in detail in this topic......just read it well folks)
Marty betting, will only get you deeper into a hole, as you know well.
Quote(BTW...you don't have to make a bet every time)
It wouldnt matter if I avoided betting, because the odds are always the same. Unless there was a finite amount of cars, and I knew what had previously passed, and that it wouldnt pass again (like card counting).
QuoteAnd a Silver car is often seen in clusters of two's, three's and four's.
If this were true, and the past cars indicated a cluster was due, I'd bet on the cluster. But roulette doesn't have predictable clusters that i'm aware of. Sure you can get 3 x green zero in a very short space of time. But no matter what cluster you get, the chance of 0 spinning next, or in the next 37 spins, doesnt change. I've tested this principle exhaustively. Trends are in our heads. The only real trends are a result of cause and effect, like bias (from wheel defects) although there is such thing as short term bias. I explain some of how to track it on my website.
QuoteOr, do you wait until 18 cars have been seen, and if no show of Silver, begin betting then?
If what you said about clusters was true, then I would wait. But I've never found any cluster to correlate to future outcomes, except in rare circumstances like bias.
QuoteSo, the game is :-
Research
Wait
Virtual bet
Trigger bet
Bet
Ratio
Variance avoidance.
Ok so what you are saying comes down to CLUSTERS AND TRENDS. A while back I had a program written that checked for clusters and trends to see if they correlated to future spins. The outcome, no cluster or trend occurred, except only slight indicators that were likely bias (exhibited on some wheels only). It ran billions of calculations each day and ran for weeks but found nothing. In the end I could see there were fractals generated, but not in a way that could be of any use.
Gentlemen,
Thanks for your reply.
All my preaching indisputable by the math boys,
and instead of against, I flow with the math.
We bet ONLY one bet selection.
The dues?
Everything has a LIMIT.
U will see 1Black, and 20red, but u NEVER see 10black, and 200RED!!!.
u never see 100black/100spins, though math possible, but in reality, why it not happen, because the law of large group.
We cannot use small sample, law of next spin sample,
for deciding law for LARGE GROUP.
Just like u see a Ferrari, and 9 other make, of cars pass u on the street, u cannot say 10% of the country cars are FERRARI!!!
for the insitu, its 10%...but,
as a large group, Ferrari may only less than 0.1%.
The worst ever, [published], record is still 69red/200spins.
Though, probability wise, there is possibility 0red/200black.
That never ever happen, and will never happen.
That because it is for NEXT spins, BUT as a large group of spins,
that another law...Law of GROUP limit!
The law for next spins, cant be applied for law for next 100spins!
as a group.
Next spin=50%..true
Large GROUP spins=50%..wrong!
Large GROUP spins =+-50%,Variation..true!
Thats why we have rtm, ecart,limit, etc
Just because, a 50%, next spin, doesnt mean, there will also absolute 500000red, in next million spins, or else the casino broke....for I could easily make money FLATBET.
[see the 50wins/100spins riddle]...hehehe
There will less, and more, than
500000red, in every 1million spins.
There will be up and down wave, but there limit for how high or how low a wave to go....and that make CASINO's boss smirking and giggling, all the way home after laughing all the way to bank!!!
This is a complexity of Variance, that people still unwilling to do research, and understand.
This DUE or not due, should be "LOOK", from the REAL record.
If u do some research, when u look as LARGE SAMPLE, they will never a HUGE discrepancy, maybe they will be some, say 40%..
or worst the famous 20/80?
69/200=34.5%.
and since it by itself a record, and not broken yet, except, by RNG, then we could safely say, 30%, will be a very serious standard for a...DUES???
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The Variance or rather Variance avoidance ,
become more exciting, and more yawning...sigh..
Ok.
Look a any long real record data, of hamburg casino.
Look at the EC, for example, look at the RED only.
U will see, RED and Black , at the end of the record data, always has almost equal sum, of math expectation., albeit the ZERO.
If u look at the RED, spins by spins, u will see that, RED will sometime,DOMINATE, HIT more aggressive than black, and then suddenly, BLACK DOMINATE, and red only hit for a few time, but Black hit more ...This is called EXTREME variance.
This EXTREME variance will not last very long...
U will never see , say, only 20RED, in 100spins...never!.
and see for your self, u will surprised that in every 200 to 300spins, this will always happen.
And what u gonna do when this VARIANCE happen???
If u couldnot understand what I mean, then below ,
an oversimplified chart will make u UNDERSTAND...
RED only, after long no-progression testing.
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Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 09, 01:45 AM 2015
So, the game is :-
Research
Wait for opportunities
Virtual bet if your bet has a trigger
Trigger bet if you see it
Bet....but don't always bet every spin
R w/l
Avoid variance
(all of which are mentioned in detail in this topic......just read it well folks)
Marty betting, will only get you deeper into a hole, as you know well.
I will bet like this..
I go into the casino,
try to bet EC.
the chance of EC,
50/50 albeit zero,
that the math boys say.
and 50/50 albeit zero, is indisputable,
variance , also indisputable,
Law of large group , also indisputable..
Law of limit, err..indisputable
so everything in-place and indisputable,
for LONG term spins.
Then I wait , and wait, and wait..
till abnormal...
ahh! abnormal happen,
and I bet it will be normal,
accordingly to the math boys, they must!!!
and indisputable,
by any expert and math boys,
the 'math expectation' spins,
or normal 50%, albeit zero,
with a mild progression...
and variance avoidance,
and cut loss...at hand...
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interesting?
hard to understand, easy to implemented.
The members who understand , will say nothing.
THE ONE THAT, JUST UNDERSTAND now, WILL
...'aha, eureka, or hahaha"
The cant, will still banging the table...
and pulling hair....
Some excellent key points and examples from PA today. :)
What I like about this and what you will like is he's telling you how to create YOUR OWN PERSONAL grail.
You can use these principles with different "stable bets".
It means that if several people sit down to play on same table and even began at the same time it entirely possible that no two players will play alike at the same time - due to their strategy selection; progression or individual personal thresholds used.
(unless they pre-arranged to play exactly alike beforehand)
There is NO WAY Casino can know that you are operating such a method....but then nor could they probably care less as Mr J said.
You can play it differently each time.
Some may never play this method - and even when they know - it will not be for them. They will not use it to their advantage and they will revert back to the older, familiar techniques.
Others will run with it, persevere and make it their own regular profit machine.
In any case - I do not think it advisable or advantageous to wise up CASINO by handing such a method to them on a plate, Ken.
Still, they probably aware of such methods being used against them and do not care a jot.
That because there are plenty of GAMBLERS out there who LOSE!
Gamblers who are steeped in the myths and superstitions of roulette who play for luck. I say if you're going to play then find the best method to PLAY TO WIN. Try and take the gamble out of it as much as possible. As someone said:
"Control the losses and then the wins will take care of themselves."
Our forum owner and chief, Steve, has HIS own strategies that use another principle. That is another way. Still the casino doors open and raking in dosh.
@doola: Right - let those who want please try and discover for yourselves. Earn it and deserve it. It is there for the taking and FREE.
:)
A.
Adding to Atlantis....on what Steve said..
Thats how you disagree in a post. Not pointless disruption with no substance.
You put your point across and try and refute it in a civilised manner
No one is offended or the post disrupted.
Ladies, and Gentlemen,
The Variance issue, is complex, hard to understand but easy to implemented.
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Variance avoidance could be use to 'beat' the math.
In the simple, oversimplified example, let me show u how a avoidance could be use to 'beat' math of roulette.
Say, in 100spins, there will be ONLY 10 wins.
thus, By counting the losses, we could see the CHANCES of hit becomes higher...
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oversimplified example
10win/100spin=10% hit
or 10w/90 loss
or 90 loss/10wins ratio.
then , with every loss,
that without win,
the hit% becomes higher.
1loss, then 10wins in next 99spins
2loss, then 10wins in next 98spins
3loss, then 10wins in next 97 spins
4loss, then 10wins in next 96 spins
5loss, then 10wins in next 95spins
50loss, then 10wins in next 50 spins=20%
and now u can see the % change, in this oversimplified example.
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Another simple , that already stale since first casino open shop, is VIRTUAL bet your system, till LOSS, and then bet for real, hoping the variance wont hit back to back!
for example.
LABBY start with one unit.
1=L=-1
11=L=-2
112=L=-3, AND SO ON
Labby will win, when 33% plus ONE more win.
But then again, many still lose when they apply LABBY!
Then , we wait for losses , and go in for real.
U may test yourself.
ALL play virtual!
1]LABBY, bet EC, bet start with ONE unit,
2]reset at first u win.
3]wait for UNBEARABLE losses,
[say around 60unit losses.
u may adjust the cut loss, parameter].
4]After first VIRTUAL LOSS, cut loss,
5]PLAY real....win 1, reset.
This test, u will see, that losses , or huge losses come when VARIANCE hit, and U will see, that less than 33%, +1, will cause huge losses.
but losses, or variance, SELDOM, come back to back...BUT they MAY happen, and u lose your BR, and previous winning!
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Martingale.
Bet EC , virtual, or wait, for 10streaks LOSS.
AFTER 10 streaks loss, wait for one win, as trigger, and bet that 10 streaks wont come back to back.
1]Wait, for 10streaks losses=alert.
2]Trigger=first win
3]bet 10 losses wont hit again.
but if hit back to back, then u lose BR+previous winning!heheheee
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just for testing and educational purpose only.
to understand variance avoidance!
PA...
So basically you are saying when SD is high...approaching 3.0 you bet for normal math expectation. This way you catch the next set hovering or as expected...the next set having a lower SD than the last.
If u guy, had make the line chart out of ,
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EC bet,
bet, say RED,
1unit, no progression...
Then u will see WAVES of spike up and spike down,
some gentle, some tsunami like, ripple...
[eventually to rtm, ecart of whatever high, and then will ...around -2.7%.]
Those highest and lowest, ...waves...
a trigger!
for betting, ...
somehow,
the wave must go up, and must go down!
Because whatever VARIANCE, with WHATEVER ecart high, and then Viola! RTM ,and -2.7%...according to math boys, and logic argument...must happen!
Quote from: Turner on Sep 09, 04:08 AM 2015
PA...
So basically you are saying when SD is high...approaching 3.0 you bet for normal math expectation. This way you catch the next set hovering or as expected...the next set having a lower SD than the last.
[Gulp! The respected Turner unexpectedly put up a question...must be very careful.. hehehe]
errr... I mean, after a very-very high SD,
WE expect the next long spins,
will behave as 'normal', hopefully...
as the math boys say, the past,
do not represent the future..
and we should not very afraid that it will happen again...
bet with mild progression...
but with variance avoidance strategy at hand...and cut loss too.
Thanks...
PA....could be waiting a long time for a very high SD
P. A is right in general here, although I don't like his act here in full.
In roulette, past spins don't cause future ones, but they indicate what will happen.
If you want to help or teach, then show some harder evidence and support...
Using strong deviations isn't that simple and easy. Meaning that even if you find some strong deviation (and I wonder how exactly you would suggest to obtain that in a real casino environment, for enough of triggers) isn't enough to just slap over any progression and you will win every time without a doubt... I wont even mention marty, but not with labby either.. Too bad it isn't that simple >:D
Cheers
Drazen
Hi Drazen...long time no see
Heres a guy I personally learned a lot from
A kinda good lookin version of Bayes....lol
Hi Turner! Well, haven't been much around lately. More focused on sports betting, although the same principle as here.
I can't say how much I regret that Bayes has gone off... :(
Don't know the reason, but he was just about to set up his web site with all the tools and so much knowledge there, and suddenly he has disappeared from the forums.
Best
Drazen
Quote from: Turner on Sep 09, 04:33 AM 2015
PA....could be waiting a long time for a very high SD
Respected Turner.
Yes..., waiting for high SD is tiring...
Some members here swear by,
"waiting for high SD",
then progression, and
then variance-avoidance & cut-loss...
by saying rather wait, than losing...
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and My personal view...
...using a STABLE bet-selection, followed by mild progression,
will see more action...
Only then u apply the variance avoidance & cut loss.
Thanks.
Ladies and gentlemen,
One school of thought say, nothing is due, and one school says, there a limit for something to not happening.
Instead of saying, the probability for red to hit in 200spins, may zero, we should say, the probability of red not to hit in 200spins, will not be zero
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We go by real recorded event.
with the record of 69red/200, not yet broken,
we could bet with confident that , EC, there will no less than 69wins, in next 200spins!!!
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Below a real sample of only 69red/200spins.
SEE how u could win by betting only red.
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HAMBURG 25/10/1999 TABLE TISH 1.
ZERO=14,105,153,186,190,199.
IF U CAN FIND A SYSTEM TO WIN THESE , U MAY WIN AT CASINO.
Hamburg, 25_10_1999, Francese 1 â€" laRoulette_files
69red appear in worst roulette 200 spins ever recorded.
X=RED,
ZERO at 14,105,153,186,190,199.
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Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 08, 05:36 PM 2015
sample 1.
[LLWLWLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLW]
SAMPLE 2.
[LWLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLLLLLWLLLLL]
SAMPLE 3.
[LWLWLLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLWL]
SAMPLE 4.
[LWLWLLLLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLW
I cant beat these, can anyone enlighten me?
Beating these samples is very easy (using one method). But it doesn't help to much. What if other sequence will come? Other, that will be not fitted for the method which we are currently playing? One EC method can perfectly fit with some sequences and fot second one it will be killing. EC playing is not easy (if even possible) to beat flatbet and any progression is very dangerous, it can kill us.
P.A is not preaching any concrete, specific method/system. He is preaching an attitude to the game, IMO.
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IF U CAN FIND A SYSTEM TO WIN THESE , U MAY WIN AT CASINO.
Hamburg, 25_10_1999, Francese 1 â€" laRoulette_files
69red appear in worst roulette 200 spins ever recorded.
X=RED,
ZERO at 14,105,153,186,190,199.
Ha! :) :xd:
Thanks,
A.
**IF U CAN FIND A SYSTEM TO WIN THESE , U MAY WIN AT CASINO**
Well , that is quite easy thing to do , only once i lost l1l2l3l4, all others wins in that 4 steps.
Whant to give an example ? ??? ;D
Upss, was 4 loses ( 4 x l1l2l3l4) but still not affected the final result, lots of wins there.
cheers
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Again betting only RED
Another way we should bet ( somehow acording with some PA *rules*), feel free to improve if you can:
Trigger virtual W, but.....
after few wins ( 3 or 4 Ws like :w, or LWWLLWLW) stop and wait some Ls and less Ws ( like LLLWLLWLLLLLLWLL) then bet after trigger W virt.,
stop at 4 Ls
Progression , middle or positive.
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cheers
Question for P.A.
How many spins it toke to get that 69/200 back in balance?
As im playing with % .... im curious about that.
A capped martingale ("target betting") went up to level six once, five once, but usually four times in the red run from hell P.A. just posted. (After a virtual win, try up to three times to get it all back, drop back, rinse repeat). Some might consider it beaten. Ive seen worse. But maybe P.A. has a better way.
Truth hurt...
truth bewildering...
truth beget anger...
truth spurn acrimony...
truth face embarrassment...
truth invites ridicule...
Truth strictly unacceptable...
truth brings awes...
Members who understand the truth , keep quiet.
The unbelievers will spit venom.
The seekers will dumbfounded.
Some will laugh out loud, chuckle, shriek,guffaw,
If I tell u the truth, I will be condemn, crucified, ridiculed,and become forum's enemy no.1 ...
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u want the truth, the simple truth???
Quote from: P.A on Sep 09, 10:48 PM 2015
Truth hurt...
truth bewildering...
truth beget anger...
truth spurn acrimony...
truth face embarrassment...
truth invites ridicule...
Truth strictly unacceptable...
truth brings awes...
Members who understand the truth , keep quiet.
The unbelievers will spit venom.
The seekers will dumbfounded.
Some will laugh out loud, chuckle, shriek,guffaw,
If I tell u the truth, I will be condemn, crucified, ridiculed,and become forum's enemy no.1 ...
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u want the truth, the simple truth???
Does the truth repeat
"Those that understand stay quiet and non believers spew venom."
How many ways can you repackage and deliver that? We get it.
"Some will laugh out loud, chuckle, shriek,guffaw," -add this: cry
20 pages and no HG....... :sad2:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 09, 11:40 PM 2015
20 pages and no HG....... :sad2:
No no no.....how to create your own HG, remember? (whatever)
Ken
The 69red/200, could be won, by,
playing VIRTUAL , with 'HP.Johnson' one, with 68zeroes, and 'Labby start with one'.
HP is dangerous as they will risked Marthy at end...
Play them virtual till, [as u already know, that there are at least 69hit/200, then only u risk real money and win, the few last spins...
in other words, play virtual, till the very few last spins of the 69, and take profit as, when the first profit show...
This is one of the variance strategy...
I am the ONE to tell u.
any opinion???
QuoteTruth hurt...
truth bewildering...
truth beget anger...
truth spurn acrimony...
truth face embarrassment...
truth invites ridicule...
Truth strictly unacceptable...
truth brings awes...
PA, I think most people are open to the possibility of the HG. Otherwise, why would they be here?
People are rightfully skeptical of your claims. Why wouldn't they be? You aren't being attacked.
Keep in mind:
* Lots of hints and leads, but no solid information pisses people off.
* If you wanted to help people for free, you would help people directly who you felt were worthy, not leave a trail of bread crumbs.
* Every week or so there is a new HG and many people jump on it like it is amazing. Some people win a bit and swear by it. Most people lose. Eventually those who won at the start eventually tank too. And almost nothing is learned.
* The clues of significance that you gave alluded to approaches that just don't work.
* I'm open to the possibility that 1 + 1 doesn't = 2. I just haven't seen anything to suggest that's the case.
Hi Mr. Steve,
With Respect.
U are right...
People are rightfully, to be skeptical of my claims.
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*[ Lots of hints and leads, but no solid information pisses people off].
I had post , the DOZENs bet selection...which quite stable, and will induce more ideas...
I had post, the {virtual, trigger,bet 4spins method}, to avoid variance....and will induce more ideas...
I tell people to read the respected GLC, for some marvelous progression. for if I post them here, that will be plagiarism...
I had tell people to play the 50w/50L , and the 30w/70L game, for they will better in understand variance avoidance....and will induce more understanding ideas...
I had tell people that make a line chart and see the waves.
I had tell people , how LABBY, with virtual play, the get in at the few last spin, will profit...
and I want to tell people to face the truth..which hurt!
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*[ If you wanted to help people for free, you would help people directly who you felt were worthy, not leave a trail of bread crumbs.]
It like, a young couple, driving a car, asking me for direction...
"Hey, Old man, how to drive from here, New York, to Las-Vegas?"
"Oh... Just follow, here,go here, turn there, and there, there and here a map, and u will reach Las Vegas"
The young retort, "Duh! Why dont u, jump in, and drive us there, ???"...
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A boy ask a Chef,
"Hey Chef, How to bake a cheese cake? I am interested to be like u."
"Here the RECIPE, go and make them, they delicious, son."..the chef handed the paper to the boy."
After a glance, the boy RETORT..
"DUH! this sound to much trouble, WHY not u bake one for me, I want to eat them, NOW!"
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A young man, eagerly ask a wealthy how to be rich in business..
So the wealthy, felt flattered, tell the youngster, for an hour or so, how he, make it from rags to riches..,in 20years slogging hard...
The youngster stand up and RETORT..
"20years, too long for me! You have the secret to make money, but u are selfish! I need to make money and be rich in 2 weeks!!"
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* [Every week or so there is a new HG and many people jump on it like it is amazing. Some people win a bit and swear by it. Most people lose. Eventually those who won at the start eventually tank too. And almost nothing is learned.]
this is because, sigh..! I said many time, bet selection, that SWING wide, Variance HIT, and ...
* [The clues of significance that you gave alluded to approaches that just don't work.]
"I want it, and I want it NOW!", mentality, has caused many unhappiness, monetary losses, and broken family.
* [I'm open to the possibility that 1 + 1 doesn't = 2. I just haven't seen anything to suggest that's the case.]
I have not concluded my preaching , yet..
and people are unhappy because I did not post my HG here..
sigghhhhh!
Thousand apology, if my wording not elegant, and coarse..
Please Pardon Me.
Thanks.
QuoteI have not concluded my preaching , yet..
and people are unhappy because I did not post my HG here..
You can preach, but expect people to be unhappy if you give them vague information. The forum is a place for open discussion, not games and vague clues. Whether or not you intend to play games with people's heads, that's what many people here have done. And it wasted their time. So people can decide for themselves if you actually have something, or are just wasting their time.
With respect, I think you are wasting people's time. Perhaps you think you have something, and maybe you do, but every reasonable indication is otherwise. I would love for you to go win your millions, but I wouldnt be surprised if you havent actually won anything except in tests. If you sincerely did have the HG, then I would pay $100k for it. But it would involve proper testing. Many people have approached me claiming to have the HG, and they sounded just like you. And in the end they see they didnt understand roulette properly, and didnt test their system properly.
Your talk about variance is vague, but clear enough to indicate your theory and approach will not work. Even if you bet ever number on the table, you cannot avoid variance because covering every number is just making a bunch of independent bets. And each bet has its own individual variance. You cannot avoid variance by waiting for or expecting a balance, because you never know how long it will take for that balance to occur. And did you start checking for the balance after 100,1000, or 10,000 spins? You shouldn't even waste time looking at variance control because its like trying to control mathematics, or trying to win roulette with statistics. The approach has been tested millions of times.
So unless your bet selection increases the accuracy of predictions, your method wont work. Very few people tend to understand this, which is clear because they still stay on the same old track.
Dear Mr. Steve.
With Due Respect.
Interested members need to learn, very slowly, and eagerly, and with highly desirous.
If people not motivated, then I cant help...
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They need to understand
1]what is STABLE bet selection
2]mild progression to bet the selection,
3]variance avoidance strategy.
4]cut loss, that offset by a few more winning sets.
How many people willing to spend time, to study rigorously to understand them?
The games, are a mind raking, so u understand how to expect variance, and math wise, they are true, [to the confine of the game.]
Thanks for your offer.
I had nothing for sale.
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Variance can be MEASURED.
The only69red/200spins, itself is a VARIANCE...
if u split them to half, 100spins, u will immediately see they are VARIANCE, 30+wins/100,
that happen BACK to back!,
and have caused huge losses to the unsuspecting gambler...
If u do some research, u will noticed that after the 69/200, the next 200spins, will in math expectation...
This just prove variance has the possibility to happen TWICE, back to back , in 100, but not 200spins...
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the 69/200, itself a VARIANCE in 200spins.
Cut them to half, 100+100, then that a VARIANCE in 100spins.
the record of variance is , RNG was 25/100, in BM, no recorded, but I think will no less than 30/100.
Now, I had published that , and members could, shorten measurement, to say,
69/200variance. a record
30/100variance..a record
xx/50variance, and so on..a record..
then u have a chart of VARIANCE, in x spins...
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UNLESS people really UNDERSTAND, that what they really really NEED, is a STABLE bet selection, and a mild progression, and variance avoidance and cut -loss strategy,
then they cant win long term, or make money from the casino.
What I want to tell, after Variance, there will math expectation,
and the risk is back to back variance, just like the 69/200.
two variance 30+wins/100, back to back.
Thanks.
please dont lock this thread for I not yet concluded ,my preaching, on how to BUILD your OWN HG...
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I will be gone for good after I concluded..I promise.
Thanks. and Pardon my English, not beautifully written.
See response below in blue text:
1]what is STABLE bet selection
It cant be betting on lots of different ECs like red, 1-18 etc because as I said before, all you have is a bunch of independent bets. Kav had a similar idea where he bets on lots of numbers randomly around the wheel. It doesnt work like that. It only works in situations where you are predicting a sector, and bet a wider arc. And all that really does is decrease the length of losing streaks.
2]mild progression to bet the selection
Progression doesnt help at all if you dont increase accuracy of predictions. Progression is just different size bets on unrelated spins.
3]variance avoidance strategy
Variance cannot be modified unless you are actually increasing the accuracy of predictions. If you claim to avoid or change variance, you are saying you are increasing the accuracy of predictions. Remember that the spins are not connected, at least in the way most systems assume.
4]cut loss, that offset by a few more winning sets.
Stop-loss does not at all help. If there is a genuine edge, more play means more profit.
Anyway we are both on different pages. Different worlds. Again you may be giving vague information, but it is enough to know your approaches wont work. I explained it above but even if I went into absolute detail, it would just waste my time. In the end just test your system properly, test the working principles, and the truth is revealed. System players do this, see the system loses, then try another method that's more of the same stuff, without knowing it is the same stuff. Really I have been there myself, for many years. And now that I understand it, I dont know what I was thinking.
Here a 'claim', by a respected member,
but I dare not named, LEST,
being accused as 'ACCOMPLICE'.
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His one season BR=500units.
And will win 1500, per season!
and the season, hit/lose rate =7w/3L !???
that 7000-1500=5500units profit.
How he did it?
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[some members already post,
this progression in their postings.]
After some thought,
I think he bet Double dozen,
and his selection must always,
has three-in-rows winning hits.
1st=bet=1/1..win=+1,
2nd=bet=2/2..win=+2,
3rd=bet=3/3..win=+3..total=9-3=6
or in 500u,
1st=bet=200/200..win=+200,
2nd=bet=300/300..win=+300,
3rd=bet=500/500..win=+500..
total=1500-500=1000unit net profit.
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500u,WHAT IF LOSE,
when no three-in-three row win?
1st=bet=200/200..win=+200,lose 400
2nd=bet=300/300..win=+300,lose 400
3rd=bet=500/500..win=+500..lose 500.
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U must win three-wins-in-row.
So the bet selection, must win, 3-in-row,
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He says,
and will win
for 7 season, and lose 3 season!!!
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Honestly, I can understand win, 3-in-row...
But I cant figure out how the
bet selection produce 7w season/3Lose season ratio...?
If I published a system with random bets, some will be winners, but MOST will be losers. The numbers you are providing are well within what is normal for an average system. Any system can win from time to time. I explained more about this in an earlier post.
Anyway please understand I'm not trying to shoot you down. Really I'm trying to help everyone understand what does and doesn't work, and why. The truth isnt always popular. Maybe you have something different, only time and testing will tell for sure.
Steve...I agree with everything you said...accuracy of bet selection is the only way.....and well put I may add.
Aliens and conspiracy theories?
Thats still work in progress :thumbsup:
The Law said this...and I agree too.
.....................
This is where I ask myself, "if the answer is this simple, why hasn't anyone else found it before?"............and so far, I'm 100% right, as we have no working system to beat the game.
..........
So where does that leave me?
God only knows!!
(Unfortunatly I am an Agnostic)
Regarding aliens, I find it hard to believe we are the only life form in this enormous universe, and that mankind is only 5,000 years old. To me it seems more plausible that life exists elsewhere, than for us to be alone. Take it one step further..... on our planet, is it common for one lifeform to exploit another? What is true on smaller scales is also true on larger scales. Really I've seen and experienced enough to consider the existence of aliens to be a mundane fact. I've personally seen a "ufo", but whether it was man-made or alien, who knows. Even without that experience, it wouldnt change that I consider the existence of aliens far more probable than improbable.
There are actually many ways to beat roulette. But they all have the central focus of increasing accuracy of predictions. Most systems don't even consider predicting the winning number or area. It's backwards. Considering why the ball lands where it does, and where it is more likely to land next, should be the most obvious approach. I say this now, but back when I started, I thought I had roulette beaten with a dozens system and progression.... because I won most of the time. I eventually learned better.
Steve...I did say work in progress. One universe is finite...but infinite universes ?....we have an exact copy with a Steve and his light Saber. Still reading.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 10, 02:11 AM 2015
See response below in blue text:
1]what is STABLE bet selection
2]mild progression to bet the selection
3]variance avoidance strategy
4]cut loss, that offset by a few more winning sets.
Dear Mr. Steve.
With Dur Respect.
Let me explain the questionnaires.
[pardon by English.]
1]what is STABLE bet selection
May consist of ANY bet selection, that either,
bet EC,
bet DOZEN
bet Double Dozen,
bet wheel SECTION,SECTIONS,
even single numbers.
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But with one stipulation...
They must always HIT within their MATH-expectation, of -2.7%.
To see whether they always hit -2.7%, we test the selected bet selection..with no progression, 1u, for long spins.
If EC bet, then that selection, MUST always hit -2.7%,
say lose 3, or 4, or 5, or 6units losses, after 111spins..
and always hit that range, with once or twice, greater losses, in say thousand spins, as a 100%, will never exist...
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if EC, it win+30, and lose +30, then, that bad swing!
[as we already know, simply choose , say a RED, for EC bet , is very dangerous, as the worst may hit only 30w/100spins.]
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After we found a bet selection, that after TESTING FOR LONG SPINS, that always , say, CONSTANTLY and consistently, hit within the math expectation of, say, above 40%...
and now, we VERY confident that in the next spins, we will have no less than or, 40%, then what MILD progression, we mated with it to win? Constantly.
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SWING.
A selection, that win +20u now, may also lose -20u later.
and that swing kill br...
A selection, that SWING widely will also -2.7% after long term, but a single BAD swing with aggressive progression, are deadly!
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Many members actually had found STABLE selection, alas , they mate them with aggressive progression, and then test for thousands spins, and then with only a huge loss, they declared them a failure...
if they test, with no progression, and found it stable, and only lose a narrow BAND, within math expectation, of -2.7%.
after a thousand spins, then, didnt the winning, [with mild progression] offset the losses?
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2]mild progression to bet the selection.
Any mild progression, mated to, the SWING badly selection, will lose badly...U win one, but losses , say,-10
3]variance avoidance strategy.
even best selection, will swing badly , once in while, when it happen, thus we need a guard, against variance. rather stop betting, missed several wins hit, than sorry.
4]cut loss, that offset by a few more winning sets.
Even best detailed strategy will hit losses, when the worst variance hit, thus need to cut loss, but confidently offset by several more seasons wins.
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the best selections, for EC, DZ, etc, already out there in this very forum, so does best mild progressions, in the respected GLC postings..[thanks GLC]
Variance also being debated vigorously in several forums.
Cut losses, also being debated..
What we need to do, is UNDERSTAND, and the build our OWN hg...
Thanks.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 10, 02:40 AM 2015
Honestly, I can understand win, 3-in-row...
But I cant figure out how the
bet selection produce 7w season/3Lose season ratio...?
P.A. this post was unclear. Are you asking a question? Also, I think you mean 'session' not 'season'. But what is this persons idea of a session? What is a session, but mainly, what is this post suggesting? Thanks
Quote from: Still on Sep 10, 03:27 AM 2015
P.A. this post was unclear. Are you asking a question? Also, I think you mean 'session' not 'season'. But what is this persons idea of a session? What is a session, but mainly, what is this post suggesting? Thanks
Opps!!!
Very sorry, my bad English!
A session, not season..hahahaaw
Ok,
He's American.
Bet in Vegas.
He said,
He will sit at a table.
Wait for opportunity to bet.
He will risked 500unit, I think, dollar,
and bet for undisclosed times.
Then if win=1500u, or dollar.
If Lose=-500dollar or units.
walk away, that ONE session.
He will bet for 10 session,
and win 7session, and lose 3session.
that mean 1500x7....minus 500x3...
====================
I didnt know how he play, as he mysterious, but after reading the respected GLC posting, I think he play Double Dozens.
as...
1st bet=200 & 200, win=+200, that 600 on hand.
2nd bet=300 & 300, win=+300, that 900 on hand.
3rd bet=500 & 500, win=+500, that 1500 on hand.
and the BR risked =500dollars.
Thus 1500-500br=1000dollars.
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1st bet=200 & 200, win=+200,if lose=400
2nd bet=300 & 300, win=+300,if lose=400
3rd bet=500 & 500, win=+500,if lose=500
Anything that goes up most come down. We can agree?
But strangely in roulette it goes back up again. P.A. opened my eyes as i forgot that. The "swing" got my attention. As i was playing in the beginning EC's with THE LEVELLER from Hermes. The man was right. If you got the patience then you always recover. I didn't lost a session. But it was slooooow. So what we do? Keep searching for faster method with higher profits. And i forgot the leveller. Now im playing it again but with some P.A. influence and it made my br grow 8times the original size.....thx to Hermes and P.A. I've learned that patience works.
Just my thoughts. ...
PA wrote:
Quote
if EC, it win+30, and lose +30, then, that bad swing!
[as we already know, simply choose , say a RED, for EC bet , is very dangerous, as the worst may hit only 30w/100spins.]
I found this too. Currently I experiment with DOZ and EC series results. Much better IMHO. More "stable" % expectations.
As you pointed out there are some good ones on the forum (and in this thread)
A.
Quote
Truth hurt...
truth bewildering...
truth beget anger...
truth spurn acrimony...
truth face embarrassment...
truth invites ridicule...
Truth strictly unacceptable...
truth brings awes...
Yes - The Truth Is Out There, folks!
Ooooooh! "The X-Files" is back with new series in January. Should please alien/conspiracy fans (Steve?)
A.
@ Steve...as you came to debate here a few times and repeatedly your statement about predictions. I finally clicked on that (very annoying, lol) link of roulette computers.....now i would say that's a bet that would scare the hell out of me.... 2500$? 80000$?
Im already sweating if i put 100 on the table .I just try to say that not everyone can afford a bet like that. So we try in our own way to reach profits...P.A. his thoughts are ok ....and it opened a few members there eyes...with most respect though.
Atlantis, and Denzie,
I swear, there no conspiracy among us...,
hahahahaa:.
Or people will accuse us of...err.."ACCOMPLICE!"???
hahahahaaa:..
oops! sorry for LOL!
Cant help!
BUT, please dont post detail here,
[the casino will....oops! I mean just pm among u and your friends, but dont PM me...]
..I am getting tired as, u see old age catching up...
WHAT u guys had found out after all,
is what we called 'law of LIMIT'.
I already told, repetitively,
the waves will...need to say more...?
but alas, I am sad people not interested of what I try to impart here...sighhh...!
It seems there, some people get it ,
treasure it..
[the knowledge, as u see,
knowledge is not power, but POTENTIAL power in right hands, and minds, and, and,...oops! Off topic..sorry]
Nevertheless , wait for next preach...need to rest,
preach nearing concluding...
and will disappear&gone for good, as promised.
Turner, I know nothing of multiple universes. I just look up at what i see and think bullshit we are alone. And it goes on a lot further than I see.
PA unfortunately we're going in circles.
Atlantis, things like how money is created and what greedy banks do is fact. Its only conspiracy "theory" to people who dont research. Once anyone researches, it is blatantly clear. Not theory, fact. Is it really hard to believe greedy people in power dont give a crap about us?Dont take my word. Research how money is created from debt. Its the wordls biggest fraud in history.
Denzie, to anyone paying me $80k its not a gamble. Its a requirement that they visit me and test everything thoroughly for themselves. So they know what theyre getting. No hoping. Trust isnt enough. Theres no gamble in what I do.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 10, 05:27 AM 2015
Research how money is created from debt. Its the wordls biggest fraud in history.
As my shallow mind understand, world money is IOU, and the USA military might, that protect the oil wells, in the deserts, is called petrodollar.
Thus countries, that intent to sell oil in , others currency will be...destroy!
So the USA keep printing money, or rather account money, where they just , CREDIT/DEBIT, the electronic money, just out of thin air, and guaranteed by the USA military MIGHT!
thats why, when US keep printing, the value , instead of lower, get higher, when there is perception, of chaos!!!
That's why some country money become lesser and lesser, in value, as the print too much money vis-a-vis the US dollar, as base, they had.
Business people can create money, by , 'PAY-u-later'...that based on trust...but of course , that trust, or debt, cost money, as higher cost of merchandise...
just my half cents..thanks.
Petro dollar is what keeps US alive. If a country wants to sell or buy oil in another currency besides dollar well... ..Libya?
I live in the US I know the truth. But I'm labeled conspiracy nut.
Well Steve im gonna be honest...i can't afford 80k . As most people. But im interested in the JAA of 2500$. You willing to put your money where your mouth is? ( i mean this in a friendly way). You willing to do a session with a casino of my choice? (A casino im playing all the time and i know it's not rigged). If you can prove it's not a gamble then i will openly tell it. And i even will pay double price for it. You can't beat that publicity. As businessman you know the sells will follow. ....
As it is not ment to be in this topic pls answer yes or no...
My apologies P.A. for disturbing
Quote from: Turner on Sep 10, 02:57 AM 2015
Steve...I agree with everything you said...accuracy of bet selection is the only way.....and well put I may add.
As always :) Turner and Steve are right here! It is always a discussion between money management and bet selection. You could always win with a bet selection that is able to predict the outcomes better than the yield even with zero money management. But the inverse is not true. You cannot win on a random selection with a proper and excellent money management. In the context of this thread, PA might be beating around the bush, but I would like pop-up to the top a concept that has been discussed multiple times earlier in this forum and multiple forums. "RED", "BLACK", "LOW", "HIGH", NUMBERS 1, 2, 3, etc are illusions created by the roulette invention. All we have is 36 or 37 or 38 random(!!??) outcomes or pockets on a wheel based on where you are playing the game.
If you create your own even chances based on the last 18/19 numbers that is rolling and seeing whether it fell within the variance limits, and then playing consecutively can give you an advantage. In essence you will be playing against the limits (perceived limits to be politically correct as the limit will lead to infinity). It is a bit difficult to play, but not impossible. A typical LW ratio for a 100 spin session will look like below. If I have counted this session right then you are having 54 wins and 46 losses. 52% is the worst I have seen in my plays and in my simulations. This gives you a marked advantage as against a standard 48.65% from a single zero wheel. If you look at the following carefully, you will also figure out that variance has gone beyond my perceived limits 7 times out of 60, however this is within the limits I needed to create an edge.
LW
LW
W
LW
W
W
W
LW
LW
LW
W
W
LLL
W
W
W
LLW
LLL
W
LW
W
LW
LLL
W
LLW
LLL
W
LW
W
WW
W
LLW
W
LLL
W
W
LW
W
W
LW
LW
LW
LW
W
W
W
W
LW
W
LW
LW
W
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LLL
LLL
LW
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W
LW
W
Leaving you with some thoughts there.
Denzie, roulette computer demos take much less time and Im paid a much larger amount that for the system. The system takes much longer to demonstrate, and Im paid a fraction of the amount. Thats why I only do roulette computer demos, and you can see whatever proof within reason you want, including tests at online casinos where i have no control over the wheel (if the video quality is reasonable). Or even bring your own wheel, even hire one tor a day as many people do.
The system is different and needsmuch more spins. I dont have a spare week to show anyone a statistically relevant amount of spins, even for $5000. Especially when you might easily attribute results to luck. Winning over even 10,000 spins is possible with random bet selection. A positive balance alone isnt proof. I had the system lab tested with results on my site. The results were positive and in the end he said the results are statistically relevant, but should only be relevant to that wheel, which was in a real casino. Computer demos are much easier with conclusive proof because you can plainly see the computer predict where the ball will hit the rotor. There have also been other publuc tests i did, with both forum members and live public demos. Recordings are on my site. Ive done lots of public challenges. In the end, people dont need to trust me about anything. They just need to see it for themselves so they know.
For system proof of effectiveness, there is a free trial. So you can test all you want. But it is of less effective AP methods, and is designed mostly so people understand who i am, what i do, that i know what im talking about, and that related approaches really do work. My system is an extension of the same principles.
Many of my system players are already at this forum. But an NDA is a condition so you dont hear from them. If they did speak about it, the average player would say yes the system works, but you cant beat every wheel, it can be tedious and time consuming, and its probably not suited to everyone, much as my sites say. Not everyone is successful with it. This is not because of the system. Its almost always for reasons like the player finds it too tedious, or maybe they lack understanding and dont bother getting proper support.
Steve. Good for airball machines? Igt. Vegas star. Roulette evolution.
Every wheel is different, autos included. Different computers will beat different auto wheels. For example my lite computer may beat 10% of wheels with low edge. Uber version about 25% with moderate edge. Jaa about 15% with small to moderate edge. Hybrid 50% with moderate to high edge. There are lots of different factors so you can only get estimates based on typical results. Theres a video of my older computer beating an alfastreet auto on my computers video page. theres lots of info on the sites that answer common questions. Better to have look there and contact me directly with questions
Priyanka. .......... :wink:
Nice post.
My advice for anyone interested in AP is start with the free methods and trial on my site. They are not for everyone. If you struggle working with basic AP then you wont like my system, working or not. Its not RBRRRRB kind of system. For an experienced AP its easy. For the typical system player it is more work than they want. But it beats 9-5 work for the timeyou put in, if you have access to reasonable selection of wheels. Online is ok but you are limited because of needing multiple accounts.
The Power of Trolling............22 pages and now more members are involved than ever with no new info..............hopefully this will serve as a lesson to those "believers" in PA, that sometimes a gag is just a gag for kicks, and not necessarily for a financial gain!!! :sad2:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 10, 08:40 AM 2015
The Power of Trolling............22 pages and now more members are involved than ever with no new info..............hopefully this will serve as a lesson to those "believers" in PA, that sometimes a gag is just a gag for kicks, and not necessarily for a financial gain!!! :sad2:
Your negativity has blinded you thelaw, there are those who have found what they need from this thread. Others are still looking, you unfortunately will never see unless you change your outlook.
Quote from: helena on Sep 10, 08:45 AM 2015
Your negativity has blinded you thelaw, there are those who have found what they need from this thread. Others are still looking, you unfortunately will never see unless you change your outlook.
"there are those who have found what they need from this thread"............notice the ambiguity in the language starting to creep into these posts. It started out as claims about the HG, now it's just finding "what you need".
Soon it will be "not a method per say, but feeling the HG in your heart".
At least we know "what they needed" in this case wasn't a way to beat Roulette!!! :sad2:
The law, I agree. And the mods agree. Just let it go. Its a joke now
Thx for the response Steve.
Law...and the site owner seems ok with it.
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 10, 06:44 AM 2015
If you create your own even chances based on the last 18/19 numbers that is rolling and seeing whether it fell within the variance limits, and then playing consecutively can give you an advantage.
Hi Priyanka,
with respect.
This ideas could be play , better on American wheel, as they have 38/2=19, thus the edge is only the payout.
They could play on HALF, of the wheel, say, left half, and right half=19numbers each.
The euro wheel, since 37, should only 18+19..or just leave out the green, but then zero=edge...
Or as u suggest, bet the last 18numbers, or 19numbers....
If play half right/left,
then there are ways to bet.
1]FTL, follow the last half.
2]against the last half.
3]bet a static half, eg. left only or right only..
or play the Kimo Li's style, that
if Left, bet left, if right bet right, follow the new hit, so on...
If according to Priyanka,
simply bet the last 18, or last 19numbers that hit.
As Priyanka claims 52 %...then maybe interested mebers should test them, and hopefully, the hit is more than 50%, as claim by him.
thanks.
The bet selection, Priyanka suggest could also play on 24numbers,
as bet the,
last '24 numbers' appeared, as double dozen bet,
=======================================
and also on the wheel, where u divided the wheel to three sections,
and bet only 2sections...ftl 2sections...and the hits also interesting,
as they always within math expectation,
as when clustered win hit early, u already win 12units, when one hit over breakeven.
members interested could try to test.
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 10, 06:44 AM 2015
As always :) All we have is 36 or 37 or 38 random(!!??) outcomes or pockets on a wheel based on where you are playing the game.
If you create your own even chances based on the last 18/19 numbers that is rolling and seeing whether it fell within the variance limits, and then playing consecutively can give you an advantage. In essence you will be playing against the limits (perceived limits to be politically correct as the limit will lead to infinity).
Hi Priyanka,
with respect,
Not only we could play half, as EC, or 12number as Dozen, or 24 numbers as double dozen,
We could also, bet the numbers as street double street..
whether follow the last group numbers that appeared...
And accordingly as u had known, we slice the wheel into sections, of 12 numbers, 24numbers, and bet as dozen, and 24 numbers..
But I doubt that the 52%, as the math boys already shriek their lung out that no selection, no matter how u slice, chop, or hammering the wheels, as bet selection.
will superior, than edge...
=================================================
I had try to test the sections, and found the best they will at...below edge.
=======================
Of course, if u mean, the CLUSTERED win that cluster at the EARLY spins, and then tapering out and end at H.edge -2.7%...
that is possible..and nearly always 50% possible...that the 52, even 60% win possible...
thanks.
P.A. give me a good 24 number strategy. Based on your ideas
Hi PA,
Tried the DOZEN REPEAT strategy today and delighted to win +30u. (for real this time)
Repeats were always lagging behind expectation so some easy pickings with mild progression due to imbalances.
:smile:
A.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 10, 10:10 AM 2015
If according to Priyanka,
simply bet the last 18, or last 19numbers that hit.
Never said just bet the last 18 :) :-X :-\ :o
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 10, 10:45 AM 2015
P.A. give me a good 24 number strategy. Based on your ideas
Hi RG ,
with respect,
note down last 24numbers, bet them,
if lose, that mean a new number, add in the last new number,delete the very first number, that a new 24 numbers..bet them and so on.
the variance avoidance, is if lose, stop, wait for win as trigger and bet next spin.
that idea already stale since casino open door..
and as the math boys ...no bet selection, superior than edge,
so at best this idea will always just below edge...
===============
or if you slice the wheel to 3 sections, of equal numbers part, after u leave out the zero, bet the last two section, that appeared...also will hit at just below edge...
[the most important , bet selection, must not swing up and down..extreme variance]
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 10, 06:44 AM 2015
If you create your own even chances based on the last 18/19 numbers that is rolling and seeing whether it fell within the variance limits, and then playing consecutively can give you an advantage.
oops! sorry, read to fast
..hehehee
u said.
"...last 18/19 numbers that is ROLLING and seeing whether it fell within the VARIANCE-LIMITS..."
Variance limit simply mean, how many not hit, whether consecutively, or streaks with little wins...
===========
sorry again...
hehehee
Quote from: P.A on Sep 10, 11:00 AM 2015
Hi RG ,
with respect,
note down last 24numbers, bet them,
if lose, that mean a new number, add in the last new number,delete the very first number, that a new 24 numbers..bet them and so on.
the variance avoidance, is if lose, stop, wait for win as trigger and bet next spin.
that idea already stale since casino open door..
and as the math boys ...no bet selection, superior than edge,
so at best this idea will always just below edge...
===============
or if you slice the wheel to 3 sections, of equal numbers part, after u leave out the zero, bet the last two section, that appeared...also will hit at just below edge...
[the most important , bet selection, must not swing up and down..extreme variance]
You say if you slice the wheel into 3s and bet last 2 sections hit it will be just below house edge.
How did you determine that
Thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 10, 11:10 AM 2015
You say if you slice the wheel into 3s and bet last 2 sections hit it will be just below house edge.
How did you determine that
Thanks
Hi RG.
Determined by testing...
Every bet-selection will not superior,
they will superior, or perceived to be superior,
only when the cluster wins hit in early spins.
Thanks.
Hi Priyanka.
with respect.
The last ROLLING 18, or 19 numbers could be play like this...
say, FOR or AGAINST...
--------------------------------
say,
x=last rolling 18numbers,
y=other non hit numbers.
----------------------
then bet FOR.
1st spin=X, then bet X
-----------------------------------
or AGAINST...
1st spins=X, then bet Y...
=======================
and , again, as the Math boys say, never better than edge, but will superior when cluster wins, hit early.
Do a long spins test, and count how many time losses in row, and then take them as parameter for variance avoidance.
Thanks
Actually, playing 18numbers also same as playing RED/BLACK,
for both are really part of the wheel...equally apart except the pesky green.
But if u place one CHIP ON GREEN ZERO,
then place 35chip on BLACK, or red,
then it almost wipe out the edge...
except when longgg variance hit ...heheheee
its the variance that kills the br...
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 10, 10:56 AM 2015
Hi PA,
Tried the DOZEN REPEAT strategy today and delighted to win +30u. (for real this time)
Repeats were always lagging behind expectation so some easy pickings with mild progression due to imbalances.
:smile:
A.
Hi Atlantis,
with respect,
Delighted to hear that,
careful, the variance might lurking near, or far, hehehe...
I always beat around the bush,
to ensure there no variance-snake inside ,
before I run through the bush...
why take the risk?!
hahahahaaawwhaw...
EUREKA!
I got it, PA, thank you!
Regards,
Alex
Denzie, because you questioning about WAITING, there is B, R, E, O, H, L, custom EC (streets, splits, even numbers).
They can ALL be calculated in the SAME time. Its why we have computers and excel in 2015.
Regards,
Alex
To all forum members, read this thread from beginning. You will all get it. Start with LIMITS. Recorded limits (calculated extremes ) and it will all be clear like the daylight.
Seek BAYES posts online. He has formulas and programs that can calculate EXTREME deviations.
THANK YOU, PA for your kind heart.
Regards,
Alex
Is anyone in the eureka moment going to explain what they've found
Quote from: probasah on Sep 10, 12:52 PM 2015
Denzie, because you questioning about WAITING, there is B, R, E, O, H, L, custom EC (streets, splits, even numbers).
They can ALL be calculated in the SAME time. Its why we have computers and excel in 2015.
Sorry .... im a computer dumb***
But i know i need to move my ***
This is just an example ECs bet on Lines( tracks 10 Ecs at the same time). It s like a Map , just wait and see / decide when is the time to attack.
There are bad runs that are waiting for you.....and good ones also...
I understand strong deviation , no problem ......
but this I dont get unless its a long marti which is no good , unless the preacher is preachering to avoid these runs altogether,, take us to the mountaintop PA :
sample 1.
[LLWLWLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLW]
SAMPLE 2.
[LWLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLLLLLWLLLLL]
SAMPLE 3.
[LWLWLLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLWL]
SAMPLE 4.
[LWLWLLLLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLW
I cant beat these, can anyone enlighten me?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 10, 12:59 PM 2015
Is anyone in the eureka moment going to explain what they've found
Right?!
Ok, PA's English is not that great so he's off the hook. For the rest, can one of you CHOSEN ONES spell it out here....this wonderful thing I'm missing. I bet WHAT...WHEN...and WHY....for how long etc? You know, the obvious questions.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 10, 02:14 PM 2015
Right?!
Ok, PA's English is not that great so he's off the hook. For the rest, can one of you CHOSEN ONES spell it out here....this wonderful thing I'm missing. I bet WHAT...WHEN...and WHY....for how long etc? You know, the obvious questions.
Ken
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 10, 01:59 PM 2015
I understand strong deviation , no problem ......
but this I dont get unless its a long marti which is no good , unless the preacher is preachering to avoid these runs altogether,, take us to the mountaintop PA :
sample 1.
[LLWLWLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLW]
SAMPLE 2.
[LWLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLLLLLWLLLLL]
SAMPLE 3.
[LWLWLLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLWL]
SAMPLE 4.
[LWLWLLLLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLW
I cant beat these, can anyone enlighten me?
Those are some strong waves brrrr
Go ahead I'll take the next one
Don't forget...all the cats called eureka will play it differently.
And of course if this was a 50/50 game and they all start with a L ...
I noticed the all beginning with a L thing too,, maybe another rule is only to begin after a double win? But one of the egz has a double W so im back to ground zero
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 10, 01:33 PM 2015
This is just an example ECs bet on Lines( tracks 10 Ecs at the same time). It s like a Map , just wait and see / decide when is the time to attack.
There are bad runs that are waiting for you.....and good ones also...
Looks familiar kattila :thumbsup:
link:://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/lines-as-ecs/ (link:://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/lines-as-ecs/)
Sad to see my old Friend Flatino talking to me. RIP IVICA
Turner
Sir,
Thanks for setting the record straight. Glad for Flat N O post included.
Nothing new under the sun . Deja vue.
Tamino
Quote from: Tamino on Sep 10, 05:40 PM 2015
Turner
Sir,
Thanks for setting the record straight. Glad for Flat N O post included.
Nothing new under the sun . Deja vue.
Tamino
This is what I have been saying...................PA has just lifted material from other posts and "re-branded" it w/broken english.
He has presented nothing new, which is why Steve was able to dismantle his theories so quickly.
Just a wind-up..............nothing more.:sad2:
.......but don't worry, even after PA finally exits, that will not be the end. He will come back under a different user name, and run this scam again.............because we let him!!! :question:
Congratulations to probasah on the
EUREKAmoment today!
A.
:thumbsup: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :thumbsup:
Yes Turner is your tracker ;), and again RIP for Ivica B. :(
For others , i am not *chosen one* and i don t have any * eureka* , i had some eureka 2 years ago , I don t consider to have
any ...hg... just methods that for the moment keeps me on the *up* side. Roulette is one my passions and i like to play/discuss/test... about it.
So that example from above is how i see EC bets, how maybe we can avoid long lossing streaks( which one can be very long).
About how,what, when , why ..... ask PA , but i think he said all in replys 301,303 ( and many others replys) what i see is missing is the **very good bet selection** something that each one must search and + the all other info from him Maybe can have some holy smoly like Hermes used to say( thanks Hermes
for all your info from the past, you was my mentor).
And how i undestand that LW ratio( 30/100..worst scenario) from PA.... i think he want to say to wait (long...) until we have some long lossing streaks, like lots of Ls and less Ws in the (any) last around/ between 50...70 spins ( ex: LLLLWLLWLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLWWWLLWLLLLLLL..etc...) then bet to catch few wins ,but if hit the few remained Ls, he use the variance avoidance ,progression, or in worst case stop( stop lose) at few Ls (like 4 or 5 in row) . Maybe I am wrong , don t know .... anyway it seems that the bet selection is the most important ingredient in his c***tail......
cheers
.
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 10, 05:56 PM 2015
This is what I have been saying...................PA has just lifted material from other posts and "re-branded" it w/broken english.
He has presented nothing new, which is why Steve was able to dismantle his theories so quickly.
Just a wind-up..............nothing more.:sad2:
.......but don't worry, even after PA finally exits, that will not be the end. He will come back under a different user name, and run this scam again.............because we let him!!! :question:
Law....ND isnt talking about your obsession with PA, and knowing Nate....giving him an opportunity to tip his hat to the old soldier Faltino
Best to read a post carefully before commenting.
Flatino claimed the gr8 progression on double dozens worked. Maybe I'll give it a WHIRL
Also Leveller from Hermes is v. good one for two dozens combined with good bet selection.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 10, 06:12 PM 2015
Law....ND isnt talking about your obsession with PA, and knowing Nate....giving him an opportunity to tip his hat to the old soldier Faltino
Best to read a post carefully before commenting.
"Nothing new under the sun. Deja vu."
This is what I was responding to........
Best to read a post carefully before commenting.
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 10, 06:07 PM 2015
Yes Turner is your tracker ;), and again RIP for Ivica B. :(
For others , i am not *chosen one* and i don t have any * eureka* , i had some eureka 2 years ago , I don t consider to have
any ...hg... just methods that for the moment keeps me on the *up* side. Roulette is one my passions and i like to play/discuss/test... about it.
So that example from above is how i see EC bets, how maybe we can avoid long lossing streaks( which one can be very long).
About how,what, when , why ..... ask PA , but i think he said all in replys 301,303 ( and many others replys) what i see is missing is the **very good bet selection** something that each one must search and + the all other info from him Maybe can have some holy smoly like Hermes used to say( thanks Hermes
for all your info from the past, you was my mentor).
And how i undestand that LW ratio( 30/100..worst scenario) from PA.... i think he want to say to wait (long...) until we have some long lossing streaks, like lots of Ls and less Ws in the (any) last around/ between 50...70 spins ( ex: LLLLWLLWLLLLLLLWWLLLLLLLWWWLLWLLLLLLL..etc...) then bet to catch few wins ,but if hit the few remained Ls, he use the variance avoidance ,progression, or in worst case stop( stop lose) at few Ls (like 4 or 5 in row) . Maybe I am wrong , don t know .... anyway the bet selection is the most important ingredient in his c***tail......
cheers
.
I listened to Number six a lot.
He always deemed virtual betting taboo and insisted that you can only produce a WL reg. from placed bets.
Which kills hit and run.
I dont like virtual betting, hit and run or fabricating WL registries for prediction.
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 10, 06:23 PM 2015
"Nothing new under the sun. Deja vu."
This is what I was responding to........
Best to read a post carefully before commenting.
Thanks for the explaination
Quote from: Turner on Sep 10, 06:27 PM 2015
Thanks for the explaination
No prob. All respect to members who are no longer with us.
Hi Turner,
>>>I dont like virtual betting, hit and run or fabricating WL registries for prediction<<<
No virtual betting for me either if possible. Certainly in my PA test today normal bets only.
A.
Anyone wanting to test systems see link:://:.roulettephysics.com/testing/ (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/testing/)
Most important is below:
Identify the working principle of your roulette strategy
For a roulette system to work, there must be a reason why it works. This sounds simple enough, but most people blindly test hoping that there is some unknown principle or secret they have uncovered, which allows them to win. When developing a system, it should begin with an idea. I’ll use the concept of thinking that eventually there will be some kind of balance that occurs. For example, say 10 reds spin in a row. This is a classic example, and you may believe that red is on a streak. Or you may believe that black is finally due to spin next. The reality is the odds don’t change, because previous spins do not affect future spins, at least in the way that most gamblers expect. But for the sake of keeping things simple, let’s assume that you think black is finally due to spin. Before you waste thousands of dollars testing this principle, check the results of real roulette spins, and look for cases where there are many red numbers in a row. Then check how many times either black or red wheel spin next. Forgetting that zero exists, normally you can expect there to be a 50-50 chance of either colour spinning. Now does your test indicate the odds change after a streak of colours?
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 10, 06:31 PM 2015
No prob. All respect to members who are no longer with us.
Amen to that !!
I know Turner that many don t like / use virtual betting , but in some situations they can help and in others situation they can t...........
I use them like some Maps....***how would be the LW registry if i have been used/bet that bet selection..o that one...or the other one......***
cheers
the thing with "virtual betting" is that most ppl apply it to "avoid losses", but......
It can also "avoid wins".......
Bet every spin & flat bet !!!!!!
O0
I really can't make any sense of Steve, how cool would you be without your "roulette computers" that predict spins? and claming the only way is the bet according to the wheel, and not the carpet? I'd really like to know about what your system is all about, and how many numbers are bet??
I really can't make any sense of the wheel, either it would be playing with "wheel sectors" or try to predict the next spin, how many pockets away for the next spin?
The only thing i know, for sure, is that numbers hit in clusters on the wheel,... and 2 of my wheel strategies have been somewhat successful, that is "General Cluster 1 & 2"
How about Steve letting us know what your "secret roulette computer strategy" is all about, seems just as much mystery like PA's "preachings".....
****It can also "avoid wins".......****
It can also avoid losses.........It can also "avoid wins........It can also avoid losses....etc......but do you have such a bet selection
that gives you flat bet more W tha Ls ? , in that case you don t need to avoid nothing just bet and win.
I just said before ...i use virtual betting like Maps for next decisions.....and they sometimes hepls, sometimes not, but i think is
better sometimes than never.
Well, anyway we are free to have own opinions about this or that....no one is obligated/ forced to use any methodology/system from others , we just discuss...
Go Ignatus !!!
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 10, 07:02 PM 2015
****It can also "avoid wins".......****
It can also avoid losses.........It can also "avoid wins........It can also avoid losses....etc......but do you have such a bet selection
that gives you flat bet more W tha Ls ? , in that case you don t need to avoid nothing just bet and win.
I just said before ...i use virtual betting like Maps for next decisions.....and they sometimes hepls, sometimes not, but i think is
better sometimes than never.
Well, anyway we are free to have own opinions about this or that....no one is obligated/ forced to use any methodology/system from others , we just discuss...
That's what I'm looking for, that's an HG in my book.
Not knocking what you say or do Kattila, I just wanted to put that point across :thumbsup:
O0
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 10, 06:44 AM 2015
if I have counted this session right then you are having 54 wins and 46 losses. 52% is the worst I have seen in my plays and in my simulations. This gives you a marked advantage as against a standard 48.65% from a single zero wheel. If you look at the following carefully, you will also figure out that variance has gone beyond my perceived limits 7 times out of 60, however this is within the limits I needed to create an edge.
Gentlemen.
He says.
-----------------
52% is the worst I have seen in my plays and in my simulations. This gives you a marked advantage as against a standard 48.65% from a single zero wheel. I
--------------------
If what he claimed, always around, at or above 50%,
then maybe u still remember the '50w/50L game', that I presented earlier?
Of course , u will say, just flatbet from the start is just as marvelous!
if always 50%+...?
In my humble opinion,
that kind of bet selection, quite a stable with low swing.
Interested members will make some test ...
I think I found an EC bet selection that wins as much as it loses, currently have celtic casino live wheel on auto bet fun money and I'm up over the past hour flat betting
Bet streets 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11
6 lines, 3 numbers each, total of 18 numbers EC
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 10, 08:08 PM 2015
I think I found an EC bet selection that wins as much as it loses, currently have celtic casino live wheel on auto bet fun money and I'm up over the past hour flat betting
Bet streets 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11
6 lines, 3 numbers each, total of 18 numbers EC
Hi RG,
with respect.
You found a bet-selection.
Then please
1] test for very long spins, testing, in say '100spins/set',
and test for , say 1000sets.
2] then , identify, how large the possible variance...
and the w/L ratio %.
3]Then , if u are very confident, your bet selection, is very STABLE,
say, always end up with say, no less than 40% hit.
4]Now u have, expected variance risk, how high, or low it will swing...
5]then how are u going to win, with what kind of MILD progression,
if u very confident, that next 100spins will not less than , say 40% hit.
6]and what u going to do when the EXPECTED variance visit, or any variance avoidance strategy...
7]and how much losses if cut-loss,
8]and how many next session wins profit to offset a session losses.
and u have build your own hg...
Thanks.
LOOK WHAT JUST HAPPENED JUST NOW
some variance?
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 10, 07:02 PM 2015
****It can also "avoid wins".......****
It can also avoid losses.........It can also "avoid wins........It can also avoid losses....etc......but do you have such a bet selection
that gives you flat bet more W tha Ls ? , in that case you don t need to avoid nothing just bet and win.
I just said before ...i use virtual betting like Maps for next decisions.....and they sometimes hepls, sometimes not, but i think is
better sometimes than never.
Well, anyway we are free to have own opinions about this or that....no one is obligated/ forced to use any methodology/system from others , we just discuss...
Hi Kattila,
with respect.
One of the simple method,
is make a very long set spins test.
then see how a loss, will happen, BACK to BACK,
will back-to-back, happened, TWICE, THRICE, or more..?
then think, out the risk control...
win set.
lose set.[once]
win set.
win set.
lose set.
lose set.[back to back lose]
win set.
win set.
win set.
win set.
win set.
win set.
lose set.[once]
win set.
win set.
win set.
win set.
lose set.
lose set.
lose set.[back to back, loss thrice]
win set.
win set.
win set.
win set.
win set.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 10, 06:34 PM 2015
Anyone wanting to test systems see link:://:.roulettephysics.com/testing/ (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/testing/)
Most important is below:
Identify the working principle of your roulette strategy
For a roulette system to work, there must be a reason why it works. This sounds simple enough, but most people blindly test hoping that there is some unknown principle or secret they have uncovered, which allows them to win. When developing a system, it should begin with an idea. I’ll use the concept of thinking that eventually there will be some kind of balance that occurs. For example, say 10 reds spin in a row. This is a classic example, and you may believe that red is on a streak. Or you may believe that black is finally due to spin next. The reality is the odds don’t change, because previous spins do not affect future spins, at least in the way that most gamblers expect. But for the sake of keeping things simple, let’s assume that you think black is finally due to spin. Before you waste thousands of dollars testing this principle, check the results of real roulette spins, and look for cases where there are many red numbers in a row. Then check how many times either black or red wheel spin next. Forgetting that zero exists, normally you can expect there to be a 50-50 chance of either colour spinning. Now does your test indicate the odds change after a streak of colours?
Thanks Mr Steve,
That a very good advice, for all.
May I borrow your essay, as My English, is pathetic...hehehe
Thanks.
=====================
For a roulette system to LOSE, there must be a reason why it LOSE. ..
THERE ARE THE LOSING SEQUENCES, THAT CAUSED HUGE LOSSES...
This sounds simple enough, but most people blindly test WITHOUT KNOWING that there is some KNOWN principle,
[THE HOUSE EDGE & VARIANCE],
which CAUSED them to LOSE HUGE!
. When developing a system, it should begin with an idea.
WE use the concept of thinking that eventually there will be some kind of -2.7% & VARIANCE LOSSES that occurs.
For example, say 10 reds spin in a row. This is a classic example, and you may believe that red is on a streak.
Or you may believe that black is finally due to spin next. The reality is the odds don’t change, BUT RATHER,...
AFTER A STREAKS, THERE, WILL , AT BEST, WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION!
AT WORST, STREAKS HIT AGAIN!
because previous spins do not affect future spins, at least in the way that most gamblers expect.
But for the sake of keeping things simple, let’s assume that you think black is finally due to spin. Before you waste thousands of dollars testing this principle, check the results of real roulette spins, and look for cases where there are many red numbers in a row.
Then check how many times either black or red wheel spin next. Forgetting that zero exists, normally you can expect there to be a 50-50 chance of either colour spinning....
AND U WILL SEE, MOST OF THE TIME, THEY WILL WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION...
Now does your test indicate the odds change after a streak of colours?...NO!
AND U WILL FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, AFTER STREAKS, WE COULD SAFELY, ASSUME, THAT, THERE WILL ALWAYS ...WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION,
I SAY ALWAYS, NOT 100%.
THANKS.
The expert ,should skip this,
as it repetitive, and very boring..
Thanks.
Ladies, and Gentlemen,
Today, I want to preach , about, the ..
MATH EXPECTATION.
What is this ?
Math expectation, simply mean, they happen, as the better side of probability dictate...
eg.EC bet, if no zero, then BLACK and RED, should have 50% hit for each.
Any win/lose ratio, that 45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55wins hits, in a 100spins, will be regarded as expected hit...
and just 30, to 40wins hit , per 100spins, is out of the grasp of MATH expectation, although, that is also EXPECTED,...hahahaaw
But in the real gambling sense,
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WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION, simply mean...,
easily win, and profit, with any simple progression!!!!!
simply..
Because the win/loss ratio,
is near BREAKEVEN!!!
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This is the TRUTH, that I intent to tell u!
The truth that hurt!
The truth, that embarrassed some!
The truth that caused anger!
The truth that disappoint!
The truth that awes!
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the TRUTH, is ,
there will be some VARIANCE, and losing sequences,
that are SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT!!!
with any acceptable progression, in real casino...
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and we can,
just simply,
choose...,
not to face them!
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why?
there are no rules , say u must bet every spin,
or every set, or every LOSING SEQUENCES!?
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NOW!
U understand why, casino still standing, while we are still debating here?! hahahahaaawhaw!
IGNORANT, had caused many broken life...
and casino boss, still smirking widely on the way home, after laughing all the way to bank!
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think about it!
See response below in blue text:
I really can't make any sense of Steve, how cool would you be without your "roulette computers" that predict spins?
I dont know. Probably still pretty cool.
and claiming the only way is the bet according to the wheel, and not the carpet?
Isn't it obvious that roulette is about a wheel and ball, and not "carpet"?
I'd really like to know about what your system is all about, and how many numbers are bet??
There is lots of information at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/cross-referencing/ (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/cross-referencing/) - If you fully read my sites, including the FAQs at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/frequently-asked-questions/ (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/frequently-asked-questions/) you'll probably find almost all your questions are answered.
But I'll summarize. My system is about correlating the spin outcomes to a variety of real and physical variables, and how everything correlates, to predict future spins. It's not voodoo, it's plain common sense. The full system uses permutations to figure out what variables are relevant, and which are not. And it models what happens if one variable changes, because roulette is a very dynamic game.
I really can't make any sense of the wheel, either it would be playing with "wheel sectors" or try to predict the next spin, how many pockets away for the next spin?
Yes it's all wheel sectors. Distance from previous spin is related. They key is modelling the correlation and how each variable affects other variables. If one significant thing is changed, everything else changes. If you look at distance from previous spin alone, your edge will come and go, peaks change, and the overall effect is no edge at all unless the wheel is very easily beaten. That kind of simplistic approach is what i call the primordials.
The only thing i know, for sure, is that numbers hit in clusters on the wheel,... and 2 of my wheel strategies have been somewhat successful, that is "General Cluster 1 & 2"
If you mean streaks, they are an illusion except in cases where there is a bias (including temporary). You can know this by checking if the odds change before, during or after a defined streak occurs. The odds dont change.
How about Steve letting us know what your "secret roulette computer strategy" is all about, seems just as much mystery like PA's "preachings".....
Its not a mystery if you read my sites and see my videos. The computer measures the ball and rotor speed, uses data about deceleration, predicts where the ball is most likely to fall, then you create a correlation chart to adjust for bounce. That's the basics of any computer. I give free details to make your own computer on my websites. I'm not playing riddles, but of course I keep some things secret like exact algorithms. You could easily fully read all my sites and better understand it all.
Ill just add that asimplistic computer can be coded in about 10 mins, literally. My hybrid computer has taken around 3 years to develop, and before that around another 6 years of development and testing with my other computers and algorithm. Tens of thousands of man hours, and easily six figures in development costs. The hybrid is not a 10 minute computer. It can get accurate predictions 1 second after ball release (automatically), and relay the bets to any amount of players, while the players have nothing but phones, and the main processor is thousands of miles from the casino. Unless you have developed this kind of technology, there's no way you can appreciate the kind of work thats involved to develop it.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 11, 12:11 AM 2015
I really can't make any sense of the wheel, either it would be playing with "wheel sectors" or try to predict the next spin, how many pockets away for the next spin?
A wheel that has 38pocket can be 'slice', into two equally sides.
18numbers at left, 18to the right, and only the payout is the edge, and variance to risk.
A 37numbers wheel, u just left out the green , and slice them into half...
so now u bet the EC, of the wheels.
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The single wheel, after leaving out the green , can be 'sliced' into ,
12numbers,
three slices, as if betting the 1/3, dozens, of the wheel,...
and also four slices of 9numbers.
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Now,
if u do many spins of the 1/2, 1/3,or 1/4, sector, of the wheel,
u will not surprised, to see that, their probability is...SAME!
If u look at real spins DATA, and say, bet 1/3, [that also, like bet dozen] of the wheel.
U will see, after, a long test, the hit SAME, probability, as the dozens, on carpet...
say, u slice, the wheel, from zero, at the top, count to your right, 123456789,10,11,12..that twelves number, say , call it A section, then , next twelves, B section, and last 12number, C section.
Now we have ABC.
if u SIMPLY, bet,
say , single A hit, bet only A section=12numbers.
bet when A, hit, 'follow the last section'..
just like 'follow the last dozen'...
and VIOLA! the hit after a long spins=AROUND the EDGE-2.7%=around 30%hit!!!
And now , u very confident that , the next long spins, will have around 30% winning hit, how are u going to bet???
What mild progression, to applied?
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or u could bet against=just like 'double dz bet' on carpet.
bet B&C, when A hit..
bet A&C, when B hit..
BET A&B, When C hit..
and VIOLA!
the hit after long spins will be around 60%...
then how are u going to bet when, u very confident that next long spins will have around 60%???
what variance strategy will u applied?
what cut loss strategy?
it just that simple...
there are many strategy to bet the wheel sectors...
when B&C, bet A
when A&C, bet B
when A&B, bet C...
and the probability, also SAME, around -2.7%...!
What u think???
Just try out yourself.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 11, 12:19 AM 2015
Ill just add that asimplistic computer can be coded in about 10 mins, literally. My hybrid computer has taken around 3 years to develop, and before that around another 6 years of development and testing with my other computers and algorithm.
Dear Mr. Steve.
With Due Respect,
I am very interested in your computer system.
May you please tell,
After long spins test,
What the win/lose ratio, in percentages?
Thank You Very Much.
win/lose ratio, in percentages,
is the most important criteria of a system.
[It is like, when a man want to buy a sport car,
He want to know, How the '0 to 100kmh' in seconds.
If the seconds, is at par, then he look at the "attraction" side..]
Thus any system , will have a w/L ratios, and progression to boot, plus a good variance management, and cut loss strategy.
If the w/L ratio, for EC, is always over 50%, then there will no need for progression, and no need for variance management.
One example is last open public demo:
93% win rate betting 15 numbers, about 120% edge. link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=PUqjvSvEnX8 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=PUqjvSvEnX8)
No you dont need to bet 15 numbers. Even 1 can be done
It's best to read the sites instead of asking questions here. The sites have almost everything.
Expert are advised to skip this, as it repetitive and boring.
thanks.
For newbies only.
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Ladies, and Gentlemen,
Many of u must, felt frustrated, anger, hopelessness, awe, or even hurt, when I say, there are some sequence of variance, that are just IMPOSSIBLE to conquer!!!
There is no need to test for million spins, but just seek out what sequences, or variances, that will cause u to lose your Bankroll...
Since u have no choice , BUT to face this reality, u just need to wait for those IMPOSSIBLE to show up, and then after they go within MATH expectation, that only the time u bet your STRATEGY, hoping that the variance wont happen,
back, to Back!
Many members have HG. but, that perceived HG, lose when the loser variance come a visit!
If only they know, how to avoid that variance, that caused BR losses,
and bet after the variance passed, then they, indeed have true HG, so to speak.
"BUT it will longggg wait!", I heard someone lament...
U are not rushing in to lose money, do u???
YOU HAVE NO CHOICE!
The only choice u had, is WAIT!... Period!
But if u really cant wait, and need to see action, then my advise is,
Just simply choose to bet the EC, red/black,H/L, E/O....
and guaranteed u high action.
U will see action, like this...
set win.
set win.
set win.
set lose.
set win.
set lose.
set lose.
set win.
set win.
set lose.
set lose.
set lose.
set win.
set win.
and with variance avoidance, as...wait for loser as trigger...if lose wait for a win,
set win.
set win.
set win.
set lose.=trigger
set win.
set lose.=trigger
set lose.
set win.
set win.
set lose.=trigger
set lose.
set lose.
set win.=virtual
set win.
set lose.=trigger
set lose.
set win.
set win.
set win.
set win.
set lose.=trigger
set win.
set win.
the choice , yours...
Quote from: P.A on Sep 10, 11:07 AM 2015
oops! sorry, read to fast
..hehehee
u said.
"...last 18/19 numbers that is ROLLING and seeing whether it fell within the VARIANCE-LIMITS..."
Variance limit simply mean, how many not hit, whether consecutively, or streaks with little wins...
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sorry again...
hehehee
Some times a picture conveys better than words. See the video for what I was describing earlier.
link:://youtu.be/Ugu7s-X0qk0 (link:://youtu.be/Ugu7s-X0qk0)
I couldn't showcase all that we could do within the short video, but just so that you know, it is a pure mechanical system run with an automated clicker and a tracker that measures limits of variances and apply an intelligent money management system that combines positive, negative and parachute progressions (not all of these progressions are shown on this video as the situation didn't demand them, will try posting more videos if n1 here is interested.
At 10.19 theres 11 posts showing,is this topic slowing down, when it finally stops what will you members take from it?
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 11, 07:01 AM 2015
At 10.19 theres 11 posts showing,is this topic slowing down, when it finally stops what will you members take from it?
What I made of it. Extremely repetitive. Yes I will admit P.A. have some good tips. Started off wrong. Who knows who he really is. Or what he's all about. Few fishy things that don't add up. But oh well. Some members liked it
Hi nottophammer,
Personally speaking, I do hope we hear more contributions from PA regarding how to deal with the various factors associated with this strategy; cut-loss, variance control, bet selection. I know a lot has already been covered but there may still be some finer points he has remaining that we can learn from and incorporate and utilise.
Any solid and beneficial advice or tips that help us to make better playing choices and decisions are welcome, in my view, if it can help on our way to securing regular and consistent profits. :)
Regards,
A.
here a problem to solve.
A member says, he have a bet selection for single dozen,
that constantly hit around 30%, after x spins.
How to win, with flat bet, and variance avoidance?
===============
30% mean around 30w/100spins.
thus win of 30, x2=+60units.
lose=70x1=-70,
thus total lose of variance=more or less -10unit...
if we bet ALL spins.
Thus I will wait for 10 absolute losses, before betting.
an oversimplified, example, =
wait for 10losses streaks,
then this mean, in the remaining 90spins,
MAY have more or less than 30hit,
[or LONGER spins, say 150, 200spins,MAY have 30% hits.]
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say, if the next remaining 90spins has 30hit,
then betting FLAT could win 1u, IF the wins CLUSTERED at early spins,
or if the remaining 90spins fail to have 30%,
then bet for longer spins of 150, or 200 ,
that the wins may clustered at early spins.
I mean BREAKEVEN at early spins.
[Loss may occur if wins hit= less than even 30%, minus 1 hit...!]
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The chance will be better, if I WAIT for LARGER variance,
say, only 1win, and 14 losses, or 2win and 18losses,
that will be HIGHER absolute losses...
and bet accordingly, flat bet...
MILD progression, may induced earlier win, if breakeven occur ...
but also larger losses, if 30%minus a few more losses...
I mean fail to breakeven.
what u think?
So, another problem..
an oversimplified example.
If we have a constant EC bet selection,that hit 45%,
then how to bet flat, and variance avoidance?
45x1=+45
55x1=-55
thus =-10losses, if bet all spins.
?????
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 11, 07:01 AM 2015
At 10.19 theres 11 posts showing,is this topic slowing down, when it finally stops what will you members take from it?
KNOWLEDGE...
for knowledge is POTENTIAL power...
to change your view toward gambling...
I made a small youtube clip showing the REPEAT DOZ strategy.
I used a real spinfile from German Casino and played it thru RXtreme tool.
I must stress this was a vid made early on in my testing (and I have since changed the progression I used slightly)
It may APPEAR that I just bet each new doz for a repeat all the time - and I do - but I can assure you that I am only betting that way in accordance with PA's principles regarding % expectation and variance. :)
Not all sessions will be played the same way as this one as the start/stop betting triggers might be needed to be applied to negate risk, prevent losses and to protect bankroll.
Therefore you may not learn much from this clip except to see it win my target of 10u.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=IBXmigUliy0&list=PL95a578Z0BR3mkZhtddWGIjXEKkW77Wsm&index=11 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=IBXmigUliy0&list=PL95a578Z0BR3mkZhtddWGIjXEKkW77Wsm&index=11)
A.
Here a REALITY CHECK,
that , when I start trying to understand gambling...
I cant accept, that..
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Every single bet selection, however STABLE,
will have a long LOSING sequences...
======================
if we bet continuously,
then, this is something we cant avoid,
and we must understand, and accept, that,
sometime it is just IMPOSSIBLE, to win ,
when a special long losing sequences...visit.
and,
that,
if mated with a , even a mild, progression,
will cause HUGE losses.
Identify that losing sequences,
wait for that sequences to happen...
then bet your system, hoping that they will not occur,
back to back...
and u will win.
====================
This is repetitive...
But do u really understand,
do u really take action, to rectify this "flaw",
or u just brushed this off, and then, again,
seeking better way,
by testing for millions spins?
Many people has give this lecture, and many members has read this,
but does this knowledge, has any impact on your mind?
No..., many just.."sheeesh! heard it, seen it, being there , done it'..
and forget this lecture..
and repeat to old habit, of testing millions spins?
You have those who go outside before the storm and those who go after....some have more cagones then others...but who gonna live the longest?
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 11, 06:19 AM 2015
I couldn't showcase all that we could do within the short video, but just so that you know, it is a pure mechanical system run with an automated clicker and a tracker that measures limits of variances and apply an intelligent money management system that combines positive, negative and parachute progressions (not all of these progressions are shown on this video as the situation didn't demand them, will try posting more videos if n1 here is interested.
Dear Priyanka,
Thank u so much!
May u please tell, [about the 18numbers rolling],
How much , is the VARIANCE -LIMIT?
How many unhit , is the VARIANCE -LIMIT?
or, the how long, the
"long losing streaks, with some wins",
is the VARIANCE -LIMIT??
[example, 4hit and 16loses...]
thanks.
Hello, from three days apply the tactics of play.
When I start the game and then waiting for inballance of 10 hits in first 20 spins (let's say 14-4 or 15-5 in the EC bets) then start betting on the side with low hits.
When I start betting use Bayes modification of Hollowey progression, and use of corse Yours safebreaks, after 4 Lose stop and waiting for win this awoid long losing runs.
PA, You mentioned about the cut the losses, and still I do not know when the cut lose when I am -60 or -200 units. What do you think of such a strategy, whether
it has a chance of success, whether you prefer a longer progressions and still are errors in my reasoning.
Play with profit target 1 unit for trigger.
All tests manually BV no zero-RNG
I used to play baccarat with an out of balance of 10 and try to play it flat till the imbalance is -5 .. it won more than it lost .....wish i kept records
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 11, 11:27 AM 2015
I used to play baccarat with an out of balance of 10 and try to play it flat till the imbalance is -5 .. it won more than it lost .....wish i kept records
Why you stopped? :P
local casinos dont have scoreboards==so its tough to figure out ,,, i used to play something else until i saw the imbalance
Quote from: P.A on Sep 11, 10:26 AM 2015
May u please tell, [about the 18numbers rolling],
How much , is the VARIANCE -LIMIT?
How many unhit , is the VARIANCE -LIMIT?
or, the how long, the
"long losing streaks, with some wins",
is the VARIANCE -LIMIT??
[example, 4hit and 16loses...]
This forum in itself is a huge body of knowledge. See below:
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 02, 08:50 AM 2010
Here is a sample of some "maximum sleeps":
460 - 540 spins with a straight up not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 37 spins)
309 splits with a split not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 18.5 spins or so)
178 spins with a street not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 12.3 spins or so)
155 spins with a corner(square) not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 4.6 spins or so)
93 spins with a line (double-street) not showing... (maths expectancy is a hit every 4.6 spins or so)
36-40 spins with a dozen/column not showing.(maths expectancy is a hit once every 3 spins or so)
20- 36 spins with any even money chance not showing. (expectancy is a hit once every two spins)
10 numbers may sleep for about 45-55 spins
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 08, 07:49 PM 2015
Will he just become another Winkel? :question:
May I ask, what you want to say by this sentence?
Hi there winkel,
Y'know I quite wondered what he meant by that too!?
A.
yes Law what is meant by that comment.
seems like people are more interested in drama, than in roulette.
Quote from: winkel on Sep 11, 03:45 PM 2015
May I ask, what you want to say by this sentence?
Hey Winkel,
I meant a system that has not yet been proven.
Let's say that someone has an effective system to beat the game. This forum would be a place to discuss and even reveal that strategy.
If, however, they didn't reveal the strategy fully, then we have to ask - "why post at all if not so share?" (with PA we're seeing the problems with this)
I'll use Ignatus as an example. He shows each and every part of his systems including bet selection and progression (if any) used. He also openly answers any questions about said systems, as well as if they have succeeded or failed. Cut and dried!
Beating Roulette using math is scientific, not artistic. This is not a creative endeavor where you should "feel" the fluctuations of a particular spin set.
If we allow people to share only part of a strategy, then we have no proof that it actually works. Which is where we get Kimo, John Legend, and now PA............that is to say, a trip down an endless rabbit hole.
If a member does not want to share their full strategy, that is their right, but it is also my right to call BS with no proof.
Claims without proof are mere speculation.................or 28 pages of entertainment :thumbsup:
That being said......if Winkel or anyone else has a successful system, then release it, and we can all become rich and give 50% of our winnings to charity. We could change the world!!!
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 11, 02:05 PM 2015
This forum in itself is a huge body of knowledge. See below:
Quote from: Bayes on November 02, 2010, 12:50:08 PM
Here is a sample of some "maximum sleeps":
460 - 540 spins with a straight up not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 37 spins)
309 splits with a split not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 18.5 spins or so)
178 spins with a street not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 12.3 spins or so)
155 spins with a corner(square) not showing. (maths expectancy is a hit once every 4.6 spins or so)
93 spins with a line (double-street) not showing... (maths expectancy is a hit every 4.6 spins or so)
36-40 spins with a dozen/column not showing.(maths expectancy is a hit once every 3 spins or so)
20- 36 spins with any even money chance not showing. (expectancy is a hit once every two spins)
10 numbers may sleep for about 45-55 spins
Yes, Priyanka, that is exactly what i meant in my previous post. Combine those numbers with what PA is preaching in here, and you will all understand it.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 04:39 PM 2015
Hey Winkel,
I meant a system that has not yet been proven.
Let's say that someone has an effective system to beat the game. This forum would be a place to discuss and even reveal that strategy.
If, however, they didn't reveal the strategy fully, then we have to ask - "why post at all if not so share?" (with PA we're seeing the problems with this)
I'll use Ignatus as an example. He shows each and every part of his systems including bet selection and progression (if any) used. He also openly answers any questions about said systems, as well as if they have succeeded or failed. Cut and dried!
Beating Roulette using math is scientific, not artistic. This is not a creative endeavor where you should "feel" the fluctuations of a particular spin set.
If we allow people to share only part of a strategy, then we have no proof that it actually works. Which is where we get Kimo, John Legend, and now PA............that is to say, a trip down an endless rabbit hole.
If a member does not want to share their full strategy, that is their right, but it is also my right to call BS with no proof.
Claims without proof are mere speculation.................or 28 pages of entertainment :thumbsup:
That being said......if Winkel or anyone else has a successful system, then release it, and we can all become rich and give 50% of our winnings to charity. We could change the world!!!
did you answer "Will he just become another Winkel?"
I dont think so. Expand a little
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 04:39 PM 2015
Hey Winkel,
I meant a system that has not yet been proven.
Let's say that someone has an effective system to beat the game. This forum would be a place to discuss and even reveal that strategy.
If, however, they didn't reveal the strategy fully, then we have to ask - "why post at all if not so share?" (with PA we're seeing the problems with this)
I'll use Ignatus as an example. He shows each and every part of his systems including bet selection and progression (if any) used. He also openly answers any questions about said systems, as well as if they have succeeded or failed. Cut and dried!
Beating Roulette using math is scientific, not artistic. This is not a creative endeavor where you should "feel" the fluctuations of a particular spin set.
If we allow people to share only part of a strategy, then we have no proof that it actually works. Which is where we get Kimo, John Legend, and now PA............that is to say, a trip down an endless rabbit hole.
If a member does not want to share their full strategy, that is their right, but it is also my right to call BS with no proof.
Claims without proof are mere speculation.................or 28 pages of entertainment :thumbsup:
That being said......if Winkel or anyone else has a successful system, then release it, and we can all become rich and give 50% of our winnings to charity. We could change the world!!!
All you are saying is, that you didn´t read my posts. I revealed a "strategy" not a system! And I revealed it in total for beginners. When you also read the flames I got, you will understand, that I didn´t proceed.
And I posted also other systems and always answered any question.
I don´t comment other peoples systems. So please don´t use my name to say to someone else, that he is talking stupid nonsense.
People like you are the reason why other excellent members don´t read and post on forums. I myself mostly just read.
As long as I see that @azim and @nottophammer understood and perform well I´, satisfied. all others especially like you pls l i c k my rear bottom
Quote from: Turner on Sep 11, 04:52 PM 2015
did you answer "Will he just become another Winkel?"
I dont think so. Expand a little
This has yet to be seen.........
If he presents a system only partly, then this thread could hit GUT status with no proof to show for it. Either way without a full working system, it's a mute point; we still have no system.
The system is to wait 9 hours for a V streak of 20 losses,then bet for a target of 2 units.Then repeat. Eureka!
Quote from: winkel on Sep 11, 05:08 PM 2015
All you are saying is, that you didn´t read my posts. I revealed a "strategy" not a system! And I revealed it in total for beginners. When you also read the flames I got, you will understand, that I didn´t proceed.
And I posted also other systems and always answered any question.
I don´t comment other peoples systems. So please don´t use my name to say to someone else, that he is talking stupid nonsense.
People like you are the reason why other excellent members don´t read and post on forums. I myself mostly just read.
As long as I see that @azim and @nottophammer understood and perform well I´, satisfied. all others especially like you pls l i c k my rear bottom
So now we have yet another excuse for not posting a system : other members didn't approve. As for the "strategy vs system" issues; if you can't turn it into a system, then the strategy is bogus.
This is strange. If you posted a system that works, then why hasn't it been tested and why aren't we all rich? :question:
Also, please note that I didn't mean to imply that you were "preaching" like PA, but that we end up in the same spot............no effective way to beat the game.
Quote from: onetaste on Sep 11, 05:22 PM 2015
The system is to wait 9 hours for a V streak of 20 losses,then bet for a target of 2 units.Then repeat. Eureka!
Looks like the B&M Casino's are in fact SAFE !!!!!
O0
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 05:12 PM 2015
This has yet to be seen.........
If he presents a system only partly, then this thread could hit GUT status with no proof to show for it. Either way without a full working system, it's a mute point; we still have no system.
GUT always seemed to me to be a tool to help you make decisions. I think its been explained several times in several formats. The idea of crossings is well documented. If Winkel has seen a genuine interest, he is very helpful.
PA has started badly, but I think he is talking about "first principles" not a system. He is talking about creating a HG not about a HG.
Some clever people are interested. Even people who criticised it and "didnt want to have anything do do with it" have asked if people who shouted "Eureka" would care to explain.
You seem to be the only one left. PA wont get banned because you want him banned.
The law. You are crusin for a bruisin lol
Quote from: Turner on Sep 11, 05:29 PM 2015
GUT always seemed to me to be a tool to help you make decisions. I think its been explained several times in several formats. The idea of crossings is well documented. If Winkel has seen a genuine interest, he is very helpful.
PA has started badly, but I think he is talking about "first principles" not a system. He is talking about creating a HG not about a HG.
Some clever people are interested. Even people who criticised it and "didnt want to have anything yo do with it" have asked if people who shouted "Eureka" would care to explain.
You seem to be the only one left. PA wont get banned because you want him banned.
I am prepared to eat my hat if someone pulls a working system out of PA's "preaching" :thumbsup:
Yes......I totally forgot about those shouting "
Eureka". Perhaps that is the actual method............just walk into the casino and shout "
Eureka" (please note that this is a strategy not a system)
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 05:34 PM 2015
I am prepared to eat my hat if someone pulls a working system out of PA's "preaching" :thumbsup:
Yeah...... I must admit that it upsets me too when someone else seems more popular than me. I hate it.
Ken walks into casino and yells out.....EUREKA.....pit rushes over to me with three trays of black chips.
It was a hell of a Friday afternoon, back at home now, in time for my local news.
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 11, 06:09 PM 2015
Ken walks into casino and yells out.....EUREKA.....pit rushes over to me with three trays of black chips.
It was a hell of a Friday afternoon, back at home now, in time for my local news.
No no no MrJ.........you must delete post..........casino will close down.........keep secret what you have >:D
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 06:51 PM 2015
No no no MrJ.........you must delete post..........casino will close down.........keep secret what you have >:D
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 05:23 PM 2015
This is strange. If you posted a system that works, then why hasn't it been tested and why aren't we all rich? :question:
:)
Oh dear Law!! I have been following you right from the days when you posted your labby breaker. To be honest, what PA posted might not be positioned correctly as his preachings and HG etc, but if my memory serves me right, is it not similar to what you posted around something like "18 numbers by deduction" or something like that? If I remember right, you were looking for extremes and the answer came as even chances can disappear from the table for upto 50 times in a row, and irrespective of the virtual losses you take it will get closer the house edge with a sample data. The video I posted is just an improvisation of the thoughts that you shared in the forum along these lines.
Everyone of us has to come past the martingale invention days when we believed doubling up can never lose to appreciating the complex mathematics or physics behind the wheel. Let the generation learn! Show PA some mercy :) :twisted: Very best to stay out of the way of a barking dog. Because no one knows when it can bite :thumbsup:
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 11, 07:03 PM 2015
:)
Oh dear Law!! I have been following you right from the days when you posted your labby breaker. To be honest, what PA posted might not be positioned correctly as his preachings and HG etc, but if my memory serves me right, is it not similar to what you posted around something like "18 numbers by deduction" or something like that? If I remember right, you were looking for extremes and the answer came as even chances can disappear from the table for upto 50 times in a row, and irrespective of the virtual losses you take it will get closer the house edge with a sample data. The video I posted is just an improvisation of the thoughts that you shared in the forum along these lines.
Everyone of us has to come past the martingale invention days when we believed doubling up can never lose to appreciating the complex mathematics or physics behind the wheel. Let the generation learn! Show PA some mercy :) :twisted: Very best to stay out of the way of a barking dog. Because no one knows when it can bite :thumbsup:
.....not sure what you are referring to here. Sounds like an idea I found on another forum about using the last 18 numbers as an ec bet, but I tested and it failed.
You notice that I don't have a thread devoted to that failed idea...........I left it on the pile with all of the other systems and strategies that didn't make it. :thumbsup:
To use your barking dog analogy.............in this situation.......the dog has never taken a bite as far as we know.........so not sure he knows how..... :sad2:
Quote from: winkel on Sep 11, 05:08 PM 2015
People like you are the reason why other excellent members don´t read and post on forums. I myself mostly just read.
As long as I see that @azim and @nottophammer understood and perform well I´, satisfied. all others especially like you pls l i c k my rear bottom
Well said winkel. :thumbsup:
Quote from: helena on Sep 11, 07:43 PM 2015
Well said winkel. :thumbsup:
all I want is minds coming together and a plethora of strategies that work
negative people, and all the guests (lurkers) make it impossible
the law I share ur sentiments....but u must stay cool so people are inclined to share
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 11, 07:48 PM 2015
all I want is minds coming together and a plethora of strategies that work
negative people, and all the guests (lurkers) make it impossible
the law I share ur sentiments....but u must stay cool so people are inclined to share
Serious posters will always share............some use others actions as an excuse for having nothing of value to share. Some will always want to be victims.
I agree, I want minds coming together as well, to beat this game. :thumbsup:
Personally, I think that a progression will beat the game within 200 spins with 30 wins each cycle, but I have yet to figure out how to handle the swings.....
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 08:04 PM 2015
Serious posters will always share............some use others actions as an excuse for having nothing of value to share. Some will always want to be victims.
I agree, I want minds coming together as well, to beat this game. :thumbsup:
Personally, I think that a progression will beat the game within 200 spins with 30 wins each cycle, but I have yet to figure out how to handle the swings.....
take a bet selection that has high hits.....combine a mild progression. boom
combine that with hit and run. win,
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 11, 08:05 PM 2015
take a bet selection that has high hits.....combine a mild progression. boom
combine that with hit and run. win,
The problem with hit-and-run is that you can never prove the system as it requires organic decision-making.
Someone can always say that they switched tables just when things were getting bad. Even a Martingale could win with hit-and-run on paper......
As for bet selection, I would love to see a superior one that has hits that never fall below 45% :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 08:19 PM 2015
The problem with hit-and-run is that you can never prove the system as it requires organic decision-making.
Someone can always say that they switched tables just when things were getting bad. Even a Martingale could win with hit-and-run on paper......
As for bet selection, I would love to see a superior one that has hits that never fall below 45% :thumbsup:
I have one
American wheel
1 3 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 16 18 20 22 23 24 26 28 29 30 31 33 35 36
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 11, 08:23 PM 2015
I have one
American wheel
1 3 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 16 18 20 22 23 24 26 28 29 30 31 33 35 36
So what's the largest deviation that you've seen with this? Does it fall below 25%?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 11, 08:23 PM 2015
I have one
American wheel
1 3 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 16 18 20 22 23 24 26 28 29 30 31 33 35 36
Do you have numbers for European wheel?
I walked into my local casino yesterday at 10.00am......and shouted.........."Eureka".......and nobody moved a muscle.
Then...I walked back in again at 12.00am......and shouted.........."Black Death"........and still bums didn't move off seats.
And finally.....I walked back in at 2.00pm........and shouted........."Immigration"........and should have seen them fly!!!!!!
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 11, 05:23 PM 2015
So now we have yet another excuse for not posting a system : other members didn't approve. As for the "strategy vs system" issues; if you can't turn it into a system, then the strategy is bogus.
This is strange. If you posted a system that works, then why hasn't it been tested and why aren't we all rich? :question:
Also, please note that I didn't mean to imply that you were "preaching" like PA, but that we end up in the same spot............no effective way to beat the game.
first you have to learn: There is no system possible at this game. There can always be a streak of losses that kills you!
second: Which effective way or system did you post, which everyone can code and get millionaire?
third: Guys like you just looking for a system for free and attacking the idea-posters are bogus.
PA, how much have you won or lost with your HG?
How much have the eureka people won or lost?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 12, 01:47 AM 2015
And finally.....I walked back in at 2.00pm........and shouted........."Immigration"........and should have seen them fly!!!!!!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Hi Steve,
But u understand it is too early for me to comment on wins and losses.
I am only in possession of the formula/method very recently, since I learned of playing this way through this topic - but I can report I have won all my 20 tests so far. (only 1 was real money online) My aim is to win a few units each test.
Only time and further tests can show me the strength or validity of this approach shown by PA.
I have not suddenly rushed to casino to try out. Nor am busy exploiting casino and amassing piles of ££££'s either. (I wish!)
I have other things in my life besides roulette so am rather pacing myself, taking my time with it, and digesting and taking on board the various info being currently discussed.
A.
PS. The hitrate in your video was impressive
"I have other things in my life besides roulette" >>> I have nothing else in my life besides roulette, good or bad.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 12, 07:36 AM 2015
"I have other things in my life besides roulette" >>> I have nothing else in my life besides roulette, good or bad.
Ken
Horseracing betting my other passion! Like today for instance - Saturday always good racing on.
Am deffo gonna make some time for the PA too though. :lol:
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: winkel on Sep 12, 06:50 AM 2015
first you have to learn: There is no system possible at this game. There can always be a streak of losses that kills you!
second: Which effective way or system did you post, which everyone can code and get millionaire?
third: Guys like you just looking for a system for free and attacking the idea-posters are bogus.
I'll try to address each point in order :
First : This would be why we are searching for a system. I could post Martingale with the same statement.........it's a failed system.
Second : I haven't...........never claimed one.
Third : I would happily pay for an effective system, and I'm sure I'm not alone. :thumbsup:
Results : 11 sessions played. 10 won.
Mm : i not stop b4 i win my br or bust.(very mild and limited progression ). So far so good.
Time will tell....as it takes a lot of time :embarrassed:
Hi Denzie,
Seems like you're doing OK too! :)
I'm back from racing now and have done further test which was won +11.
I used the simple DOZEN REPEAT (idea from helena?) mentioned earlier in the thread.
That question you asked me in PM - I don't know the answer for that.
Certainly I have not encountered such an event so far using PA techniques.
Is your DOZ strat different way to me?
A.
I think we're basically doing the same. Maybe our stop point different. Im just working on a new progression and i wondering what max chops on a single doz are. If anyone would now......
Today 2 sessions. ..both won btw
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 11, 02:05 PM 2015
This forum in itself is a huge body of knowledge. See below:
Any idea how long till a dozen repeats? Max ive got is 20....
I mean all are singles, chops ......would be good info ^^
Sessions 14 .... 13W/1L
Highest level 3u
So far so good
Quote from: denzie on Sep 13, 09:07 AM 2015
Sessions 14 .... 13W/1L
Highest level 3u
So far so good
Denzie what's the point of posting partial results for a system/method that nobody knows ?
IF some ppl DO know it, why not just post via PM's or actual email addresses ?
O0
If every system known to man past present and future will never win long term and have more losses than wins,why not reverse the bet selection in the system of your choice and simply "play to lose"?
Quote
...........and simply "play to lose"?
Been said before.....tho the outcome is the same, if you don't apply what
should be first principles here.
I do not know for the life of me, why some posting members are still banging on about
this topic in terms of
"where is the system then?", or worse...
"stop teasing and give us the HG method!"This excellent topic deserves a section on the forum all to itself, (or to the principle its showing us at the very least)
The topic is showing, telling, and crafting the way to make the
cake, but not the
ingredientsAnyone interested in Roulette, or any other bet based gaming, should read this topic from start to finish
(avoiding all the guff, all the negativity, and all the bile), and read it again till those basic, and what should
be mandatory
steps are entrained in your gaming DNA.
So, without further ado, shall I do a summary of what we have learnt so far, and see
if anyone else (without taking the pizz) can see
their Eureka moment.
He's a taste of the content within the Topic(in NO particular order)
- For your given chosen bet, what's the Win/Loss ratio expectation?
- Why do you bet on a system, and when?
- What's the SD for those type of results?
- Don't have to bet every spin do I/you?
- If tracking a certain entry point, why not track Virtual, and watch the game unfold....might save you $£
- Triggers for your bet method, what are they, and why do they occur?
- If the expectation is for the bet to come back to balance, (Win/Loss ratio), how far do you leave it before you stop bets?
- Can Maths help us win at Roulette/Bacc?
- Progression.........Heavy or Mild or non at all?
- Do you wait, and wait and wait and then hit for a result/session, or do you play till you have lost it all?
- Wait....wait...wait
- Track.....
- Measure against expectation of SD or Win/Loss ratio
- Poss virtual bets/tracking
- Look for a bet selection that does go out of balance, and therefore make the most of that opportunity.
(I'm sure I can put this into less words..... but its early!) :)
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this for EXPERT, the newbies will have hard time understand.
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Ladies , and Gentlemen,
The record of worst in 200spins, 69red/200, by it self is a VARIANCE,
worst variance , that impossible to beat with reasonable BR staking.
If u see them, as a 200spins/set, it has 69hit of RED, space, not very far from each others, that, are of course beatable with marthy, but , but...,
[ok, u all know this.]
If U divided that 200spins, into half, then [100spin/set, and another 100spins/set], it are TWO variance, happened, BACK, TO BACK!
Which , if u try to beat the second half, [2nd 100spins/set],also very hard to beat
Then if u divided that in FOUR set, that will be 50+50+50+50spinsset.
and if u divided the 200 into, say, 6,8,10sets, u will see...a story.
Thanks.
To Mr.Winkel.
With Due Respect.
I want to apologize,
to Mr. Winkel,
that your good name,
being quote here,
in some disrespectful, replies.
by member here.
I am very sorry,
The fault is mine.
Please pardon me.
Thanks.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 14, 04:55 AM 2015
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this for EXPERT, the newbies will have hard time understand.
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Ladies , and Gentlemen,
The record of worst in 200spins, 69red/200, by it self is a VARIANCE,
worst variance , that impossible to beat with reasonable BR staking.
If u see them, as a 200spins/set, it has 69hit of RED, space, not very far from each others, that, are of course beatable with marthy, but , but...,
[ok, u all know this.]
If U divided that 200spins, into half, then [100spin/set, and another 100spins/set], it are TWO variance, happened, BACK, TO BACK!
Which , if u try to beat the second half, [2nd 100spins/set],also very hard to beat
Then if u divided that in FOUR set, that will be 50+50+50+50spinsset.
and if u divided the 200 into, say, 6,8,10sets, u will see...a story.
Thanks.
Hi PA,
I DID SEE A STORY.
I did what you said and broke down into sets of 20.
I won +17 over the 200 spins only betting RED - using 1-2-4-8-marti (probably not a good idea to use that though ;) )
:)
A.
Playing same spins (worst spin record 69/200) divided into sets of 20 and bet RED only with MILDER progression and highest bet = 2.
Profit = +9 in 200 spins. (was using variance control)
A.
It is impossible to control or predict variance without increasing accuracy of predictions. PA, you are misleading people, whether intentionally or not. I dont think you or anyone has profited from this without plain luck. People following this are wasting their time.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 14, 07:42 AM 2015
It is impossible to control or predict variance without increasing accuracy of predictions. PA, you are misleading people, whether intentionally or not. I dont think you or anyone has profited from this without plain luck. People following this are wasting their time.
Dear Mr. Steve,
With Respect.
Please...sir,
I do not lead people, to anywhere...
And I CANT remember, that I preached,
that variance could be CONTROLLED, or PREDICTED...
We cannot control random, and ..., and...
that what the math boys say, and we respect that.
we wait for it to happened...
like u wait to cross a busy road....
I remember, that I only, said that, VARIANCE, could be measured,
ONLY, after they HAPPENED, and afterward, there 'ALWAYS', will be x spins length that will hit within MATH EXPECTATION..
One example is that only 69red/200spin, then the variance , in simple calculation=69hit, in 200spins, JUST THAT SIMPLE!
and u can see, the next 200spins, hit, within math expectation...
Variance, in simple words, just mean , long losses, with only few wins hit, in between...that 'way below the expectation',
and u simply cant beat with progression, without risking huge progression!
Lets make a research, get any real DATA, of say, Hamburg, where it has more than 200 to 300spins. Look at the RED, or BLACK, slowly, and u will see, there will be , variance , in each side...and after a variance hit, there will be spins that in the MATH EXPECTATION...with will easily beaten with mild progression.
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SEE below.
an oversimplified, example.
VARIANCE [of x spins]
Math expectation[of y spins]
where as x, y, =unknown length...
====================
say, we bet AFTER, a variance happened..
VARIANCE
Math expectation
VARIANCE
Math expectation
VARIANCE
VARIANCE[variance can happen back to back!!!]
Math expectation
VARIANCE
Math expectation
VARIANCE
Math expectation
VARIANCE
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Note that variance can happen back to back!!!
Thus here the DEBACLE HAPPEN!..and that something u need to cut loss.
and that also cause HUGE LOSS, if your progression is aggressive!!!
and actually, Variance and math-expectation, come in CHOPS, of-course, different length...
VARIANCE, could only, be measured,
after they HAPPENED,
and afterward,
there 'ALWAYS',
will be x spins length that will hit within MATH EXPECTATION..
I said ALWAYS, not 100%...
Thanks.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 14, 07:12 AM 2015
Playing same spins (worst spin record 69/200)
A.
Atlantis,Denzie,
Your posts, will motivate more people to learn,
to do the hardwork!...and do research...
for their OWN hg...
For I only show the "UNDERSTANDING",
and u do the driving...yourself.
Knowledge, is not POWER,
knowledge is just potential POWER.
many people cant even handle knowledge,
what, so, about POWER?
In the advance of internet,..in short time,
when million of people knows how to beat the casino...
then the casino will change rules, or.....
Steve wrote:
>>>It is impossible to control or predict variance without increasing accuracy of predictions.
PA wrote:
>>>The record of worst in 200spins, 69red/200, by it self is a VARIANCE,
worst variance , that impossible to beat with reasonable BR staking.
>>>Variance, in simple words, just mean , long losses, with only few wins hit, in between...that 'way below the expectation', and u simply cant beat with progression, without risking huge progression!
Hi,
I don't see any fundamental disagreement here.
But with variance AVOIDANCE + mild progression + cut-loss I just proved to myself today that I could beat the 69red/200black example fairly easily. Something I did not think I was going to be able to do. :)
It made me feel pretty good too, I don't mind telling you!
However, that just one set of 200 numbers.
A.
P.A.
When you state the casino will change rules or close down we question your intentions and or intelligence?
You messing with us?
Atlantis,
with respect,
I think the proper word, should be ,
'VARIANCE AVOIDANCE', instead of 'variance CONTROL'.
We try to avoid the worst, just like crossing a busy road.
But we cant predict or control VARIANCE.
Thanks.
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RouletteGhost,
with respect,
Thanks for your reply...
Regarding the..
"then casino will..."
Since u do not like that phrase,
then, that,there, be the last time I quote that.
Thanks.
My apologies, PA.
Yes should say: "AVOIDANCE". I quickly correct that.
Anyhow here is the way I played the 69red/200 session. I changed the numbers in the spinfile for my own devices but is exact same sequence of R, B and 0 as falls in the session (nothing changed there)
First I wait and see then...
A.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 14, 10:39 AM 2015
Atlantis,
with respect,
I think the proper word, should be ,
'VARIANCE AVOIDANCE', instead of 'variance CONTROL'.
We try to avoid the worst, just like crossing a busy road.
But we cant predict or control VARIANCE.
Thanks.
=================
RouletteGhost,
with respect,
Thanks for your reply...
Regarding the..
"then casino will..."
Since u do not like that phrase,
then, that,there, be the last time I quote that.
Thanks.
Dont base your dialogue around me. Say as u wish
Just understand saying the casino will change the rules is ridiculous. Thousands of people play for recreation with no strategy
A reincarnation of John Legend?
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 14, 10:47 AM 2015
My apologies, PA.
Yes should say: "AVOIDANCE". I quickly correct that.
Anyhow here is the way I played the 69red/200 session. I changed the numbers in the spinfile for my own devices but is exact same sequence of R, B and 0 as falls in the session (nothing changed there)
First I wait and see then...
A.
No need to apologize..hehehee
But ..seriously, dont tell anyone, how u bet yr hg....
lest..hahahahaaawwhaww!!! oops..sorry to LOL, cant help!!hehehee
Quote from: P.A on Sep 14, 10:55 AM 2015
No need to apologize..hehehee
But ..seriously, dont tell anyone, how u bet yr hg....
lest..hahahahaaawwhaww!!! oops..sorry to LOL, cant help!!hehehee
And there we go
"But seriously, don't tell anyone"
All i needed to hear
Oh and by the way your english is drastically better from a few posts ago when you apologized to winkel
Quote from: Tamino on Sep 14, 10:52 AM 2015
A reincarnation of John Legend?
no,
your country MM...hahahahaaw-haw-haww
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good night,
need to zzzzz
Quote from: P.A on Sep 14, 10:39 AM 2015
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RouletteGhost,
with respect,
Thanks for your reply...
Regarding the..
"then casino will..."
Since u do not like that phrase,
then, that,there, be the last time I quote that.
Thanks.
Question replied to, but still avoided, classic...... :-[
O0
One flew over the coockoo`s nest.
When Edward Thorpe made card counting popular, the casino's had to do something.
They may not have changed the rules, but they certainly made it more difficult for card counters.
On the VLS forum, I read a post by Waahome(I think it was him), where he arrived at a casino and he could only play inside bets, no outside bets.
I don't believe that casino's will close down, but they will make roulette even more difficult to beat.
Those that play for recreation will still be only too happy to lose even if there are 3 zero's.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 14, 10:55 AM 2015
No need to apologize..hehehee
But ..seriously, dont tell anyone, how u bet yr hg....
lest..hahahahaaawwhaww!!! oops..sorry to LOL, cant help!!hehehee
If only someone could have predicted this.............
If only someone would have warned others..............
If only .......................oh wait..........................32 pages of pure bssssssssssssssssssss!!!Everyone who has supported this nonesense.........................
YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!! :sad2:
I would like to say that you have learned your lesson, but let's be honest.................. :question:
Quote from: Badger on Sep 14, 12:34 PM 2015
When Edward Thorpe made card counting popular, the casino's had to do something.
They may not have changed the rules, but they certainly made it more difficult for card counters.
On the VLS forum, I read a post by Waahome(I think it was him), where he arrived at a casino and he could only play inside bets, no outside bets.
I don't believe that casino's will close down, but they will make roulette even more difficult to beat.
Those that play for recreation will still be only too happy to lose even if there are 3 zero's.
This idea is predicated on a winning system.................which has yet to be proven with bets made before ball is moving. :question:
unless this cat lives in time warp knows the future before it happens.They too are walking among us. ROFL.
Quote from: Badger on Sep 14, 12:34 PM 2015
When Edward Thorpe made card counting popular, the casino's had to do something.
They may not have changed the rules, but they certainly made it more difficult for card counters.
On the VLS forum, I read a post by Waahome(I think it was him), where he arrived at a casino and he could only play inside bets, no outside bets.
I don't believe that casino's will close down, but they will make roulette even more difficult to beat.
Those that play for recreation will still be only too happy to lose even if there are 3 zero's.
Hello Badger,
Maybe some truth there - perhaps the game of roulette as we know it is already changing - perhaps maybe slowly morphing over time?
OK you still got the CLASSIC game action but recently some new style of roulettes have appeared on the scene and in some casinos
Such as "double action roulette" for instance:
link:://wizardofodds.com/games/double-action-roulette/ (link:://wizardofodds.com/games/double-action-roulette/)
Plus there are all sorts of card/poker roulette; double wheels with numbers and playing cards on an inner wheel.
RNG Roulettes with 2 or 3 balls spinning round at once!
In Uk betting shops there are the F.O.B.Terminals which have several extra roulette games (r.n.g.) with extra slots/features on the wheels. If the ball lands in one of these it activates a further gamble routine with chance to win higher amounts (sometimes!). Designed to appeal to people's greed. With the 0 and the extra slot this makes 38 numbers effectively - but they still only pay out 35/1 on a hit! And no le partage either. Just recently there even a new animated roulette wheel game with 100 numbers 1-100 and no zero!
The payout is 100/1. Sound Good - but No! Look closer and you see 5 extra feature slots spaced round the wheel and on the layout. The TRUE odds are 104/1. Why people play these is anyone's guess. There can be 5 of these machines in EACH bookie on the high streets of every town and city. Another MAJOR income stream for them.
What will be in a few more years? Roulette with 3 0's?
A.
Hello, my tactics tests look as won 88 sessions 0 sessions lost, never reach stoplose -60 units, I think that after the increase of the trigger to 14-1 or 18-2 this strategy looks promising, but waiting for the trigger may take time
Quote from: ozon on Sep 14, 02:08 PM 2015
Hello, my tactics tests look as won 88 sessions 0 sessions lost, never reach stoplose -60 units, I think that after the increase of the trigger to 14-1 or 18-2 this strategy looks promising, but waiting for the trigger may take time
Hi ozon - thanks for your report. That is an excellent result. Thanks for sharing. :)
You wrote:
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after 4 Lose stop and waiting for win this avoid long losing runs.
This is important to know when to stop due to wide horrible variance that can occur. Did you use in your tests?
Thanks,
A.
Yes, I use this in my all tests, I think that this is the fundamental reason why they are so good.
Quote from: ozon on Sep 14, 02:08 PM 2015
Hello, my tactics tests look as won 88 sessions 0 sessions lost, never reach stoplose -60 units, I think that after the increase of the trigger to 14-1 or 18-2 this strategy looks promising, but waiting for the trigger may take time
Happy to see this. Im currently at 17 sessions. 16W 1L ( the 1 lost was with very small progression) . As i see -60 im guessing we're pretty much doing the same ;)
Quote from: ozon on Sep 14, 02:08 PM 2015
Hello, my tactics tests look as won 88 sessions 0 sessions lost, never reach stoplose -60 units, I think that after the increase of the trigger to 14-1 or 18-2 this strategy looks promising, but waiting for the trigger may take time
What strategy exactly?
Hi Atlantis
Thanks for the reply
I'm playing an EC bet using streets.
I have 50 sessions of 100 spins each.
My average hit rate is 49.3%
The lowest is 38 wins in 100 spins.
Quote from: Tamino on Sep 14, 12:52 PM 2015
unless this cat lives in time warp knows the future before it happens.They too are walking among us. ROFL.
Hi ND,
Well now - sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction! ROFL.
Do all your posts have a "cat" in them? :) :)
Miaow!
A.
Quote from: Badger on Sep 14, 05:14 PM 2015
Hi Atlantis
Thanks for the reply
I'm playing an EC bet using streets.
I have 50 sessions of 100 spins each.
My average hit rate is 49.3%
The lowest is 38 wins in 100 spins.
Thanks for the stats on that.
R U then playing 6 streets as an EC....?
A.
Yes, 6 streets.
Just a simple strategy to test out PA's advice.
I want to work out a slow progression and see if I can limit the damage caused by
variance.
I'm following PA's advice step by step.
Quote from: Badger on Sep 14, 05:50 PM 2015
Yes, 6 streets.
Just a simple strategy to test out PA's advice.
I want to work out a slow progression and see if I can limit the damage caused by
variance.
I'm following PA's advice step by step.
It's good you got something of value out of this. To some it appears as a puzzle wrapped in a mystery inside of an enigma - but there is something worth finding in it. A lot to be said for studying it and "reading between the lines."
I believe PA is providing us with a solid SOLUTION - and not a transient and fairweather ILLUSION.
What grabbed me today on the thread was when he talked about EC bets and dividing or "splitting" a longer session into several sets of say, 20 or 30 spins for analysis...
This really interesting to me and helpful. It certainly opened up my eyes to new possibility - I really think this particular info he shared ought to be carefully looked into by all who are following his preachments.
A.
PA:
1. You say variance cannot be controlled or predicted
2. Then you say you are only measuring it, like waiting to cross a busy road.
You have contradicted yourself.
You are attempting to increase the accuracy of predictions by using variance. It doesn't work. Your approach is based on typical gambler's fallacy where thinking something is "due" to happen. Your odds do not change after a run of RRRRRRBRRRRRRRR or whatever.
It's not the opinion of the "math boys". It is clear fact and testing the principle is simple.
Step 1: Define the rule or triggers for bets
Step 2: Test a statistically significant amount of spins to see if the odds of any event happening are higher after the trigger
You can do it on an excel chart, but again I tested the principle with automated software testing many billions of combinations. Except on some real wheel spins which indicated bias, no sequence of RRRBRBRRB or whatever changed the odds of red or black spinning next.
Anyway this also beating a dead horse. Some people here are not getting it, so they just need to find out for themselves. But really, people please use your brains. Proper testing is not 200 spins here and there. If you do it that way, you'll waste countless hours and still results could be luck only. Even betting random red/black can produce a profit over 10,000 spins. There are always winners, and losers. Most are losers. That's how the house edge works. INSTEAD OF TESTING THE WHOLE SYSTEM AT SNAIL PACE, TEST THE WORKING PRINCIPLE. SEE THE STEPS ABOVE.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 14, 07:54 PM 2015
PA:
1. You say variance cannot be controlled or predicted
2. Then you say you are only measuring it, like waiting to cross a busy road.
You have contradicted yourself.
You are attempting to increase the accuracy of predictions by using variance. It doesn't work. Your approach is based on typical gambler's fallacy where thinking something is "due" to happen. Your odds do not change after a run of RRRRRRBRRRRRRRR or whatever.
It's not the opinion of the "math boys". It is clear fact and testing the principle is simple.
Step 1: Define the rule or triggers for bets
Step 2: Test a statistically significant amount of spins to see if the odds of any event happening are higher after the trigger
You can do it on an excel chart, but again I tested the principle with automated software testing many billions of combinations. Except on some real wheel spins which indicated bias, no sequence of RRRBRBRRB or whatever changed the odds of red or black spinning next.
Anyway this also beating a dead horse. Some people here are not getting it, so they just need to find out for themselves. But really, people please use your brains. Proper testing is not 200 spins here and there. If you do it that way, you'll waste countless hours and still results could be luck only. Even betting random red/black can produce a profit over 10,000 spins. There are always winners, and losers. Most are losers. That's how the house edge works. INSTEAD OF TESTING THE WHOLE SYSTEM AT SNAIL PACE, TEST THE WORKING PRINCIPLE. SEE THE STEPS ABOVE.
Dear Mr. Steve,
With Due Respect.
Regarding the 'prediction', after measuring the variance.
We simply waiting for an 'ABNORMAL sequence', to happened.
Then bet the following sequences will, be quite 'normal'.
it is just that simple.
Thanks.
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Hi Atlantis,
With respect.
thanks for your replies,
Please keep your own HG to yourself.
please dont tell the 'detail' here,
everyone must work hard for their own HG...
thanks...
Just spent some time 40 to 50 pages back
Plethora of ideas and good minds
Bring it back. Even if the systems dont all work those made the forum alive!
just a suggestion: to continue this do it in private. Its the same damn thing everyday now with this thread....hey just an idea
PA, I know what you are saying, but you are wrong. Nevermind though, I said what I had to say.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 14, 09:02 PM 2015
Just spent some time 40 to 50 pages back
Plethora of ideas and good minds
Bring it back. Even if the systems dont all work those made the forum alive!
just a suggestion: to continue this do it in private. Its the same damn thing everyday now with this thread....hey just an idea
I agree about taking it private, but PA will not stand for that.
He needs attention to keep this going.
But I'm prepared to be wrong..............................let's see what he does :question:
QuoteEven if the systems dont all work those made the forum alive!
Of course not every system will work. The real problem is not much NEW is being done, because people are not understanding what is and isn't possible, and why.
he came
he saw
he left
11 posts
this guy is winning
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8713.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8713.0)
He says:
QuoteIt's effectiveness is based on the 111 Law, which says that in 3 rounds of 37 spins all numbers should have appeared similar amount of times.
So like the law of a third. Unfortunately it doesnt tell us WHICH numbers will be repeats or sleepers etc; not with any increase in accuracy. So it wont work either.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 14, 06:08 PM 2015
I believe PA is providing us with a solid SOLUTION - and not a transient and fairweather ILLUSION.
You are not alone.
In this thread i like helenas idea
Bet the last dozen to hit once
Wait for a switch of dozen and bet the new dozen once
If you lose wait for a new dozen to show and bet that once
Thats how i think its played anyways
Stable
And how many times can a dozen not repeat at all
I like it because you dont just keep betting for the last dozen to repeat. If u lose and wait for a new dozen to show a few spins can pass
Thanks Mr.Steve,Doola,Denzie, Atlantis, RG, TheLaw, and others for your replies...
This boring preach, is nearing the end.
I see that some newbie interested to learn the gambling,
and they need to learn from the very bottom...
[and I have a suggestion.]
Since TheLaw, Atlantis, Denzie, and others has ARSENAL of mild progressions, maybe their magnanimous heart, could post them here,
only, their mild progressions method...
[The respected GLC, has HUGE arsenal!, but posting here will take much place]
So that the newbies, will spared from Thousand Hours of very tiring hardwork, headache, heartache, frustration, from searching,testing and even trying to understand how the progression...work. hehehe
How we know?
Because, for the last many years, we spent a few hour everyday, thinking about roulette, in bed, in toilet, while driving, even in dream!hahahaaaw
There so many simple progressions,mild progression.
the aggressive one will kill u in no time when variance hit.
this a small contribution, from u,
to help each others...the newbies...
spare them the heartache...
just the mild progression,
but NOT the BETTING SYSTEM&METHOD,
lest...hahahahaaww
that they need to work very hard...
Thanks.
Quote from: JimmieB on Sep 08, 05:59 PM 2015
And, to now sound controversial, if you don’t like the thread, why bother reading it...guys, there is plenty of stuff on the TV which I don’t like, therefore, I don’t watch it, yeah, it’s on the TV guide when I’m checking to see what’s on, do I select it, of course I don’t, why would I waste my time watching c**p like that, however, what I think is c**p, is another person’s enjoyment/entertainment, and so it should be, they are entitled to indulge themselves in what I think is c**p, and I’m sure they would think some of the stuff I watch is c**p, and so they should.
Jim
:thumbsup:
It's not a matter of entertainment. Speaking for myself personally... When I see people being misled, I try to educate them - to help them. Some get it, some dont. I say my bit, then let them find out for themselves.
And that's a good thing to do Steve. Much appreciated. But some are really whining. If they don't like then very very very easy ---> DON'T CLICK on the thread. Problem gone. Poooof.
Now as for me and a few others we're doing pretty good with his preaching. The day i bust half of my profit I'll probably say ...damn they was right al along. It was plain luck. But then im still thankful to P.A. cuz he made me look roulette from another angle and im 100% sure i made nice profit doing that.
So finish your preach and this will fade away together with ALL the threads on the forum.
Hallelujah
Thank you
RG for searching and finding this gem of a system.......
I suggest everyone reads, and digests the 'principle' behind it.
Quote from: RouletteGhost
he came,he saw,he left,11 posts
this guy is winning
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8713.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8713.0)
When you have read it.....see if you can find, recognise and discover for yourself
this 'VARIANCE' measurement that has been made.
Quote from: IronSteelNumbers from 1 to 9: a total of 22 times
Numbers from 10 to 18: a total of 15 times
Numbers from 19 to 27: a total of 19 times
Numbers from 28-36: a total of 14 times
0/00: 4 times.
Yes, a measurement of variance.
The author
IronSteel, then has the audacity to go and suggest a bet to predict where 'Variance' will strike next!
See it?
Measurement of Variance......not controlling it, or predicting it, but the very knowledge
that it is there, in his game example.....and as thus he can make a BetSelection
to
possibly take advantage of it.
I notice with interest too, that its a Streets BetSelection............and 'Line By Line' method analysis too.
I wonder if.............Hmmmm....... interesting on how many different ways we could use this analysis on other similar
BetSelections? :question:
Happy reading.
P.S.
Measuring Variance, and knowing what its doing right now in your game,
compared to what the
expectation via Maths, is not the same as thinking you
can control the output of variance, or predict it.
Though is does make you aware of where you are, in the world order of numbers
and.........crucially......you can try to seek a BetSelection that might just avoid it! ::)
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 15, 02:46 AM 2015
Thank you RG for searching and finding this gem of a system.......
I suggest everyone reads, and digests the 'principle' behind it.
When you have read it.....see if you can find, recognise and discover for yourself
this 'VARIANCE' measurement that has been made.
Yes, a measurement of variance.
The author IronSteel, then has the audacity to go and suggest a bet to predict where 'Variance' will strike next!
See it?
Measurement of Variance......not controlling it, or predicting it, but the very knowledge
that it is there, in his game example.....and as thus he can make a BetSelection
to possibly take advantage of it.
I notice with interest too, that its a Streets BetSelection............and 'Line By Line' method analysis too.
I wonder if.............Hmmmm....... interesting on how many different ways we could use this analysis on other similar
BetSelections? :question:
Happy reading.
P.S.
Measuring Variance, and knowing what its doing right now in your game,
compared to what the expectation via Maths, is not the same as thinking you
can control the output of variance, or predict it.
Though is does make you aware of where you are, in the world order of numbers
and.........crucially......you can try to seek a BetSelection that might just avoid it! ::)
What madness is this!!!
That other thread died because a few guys tested it and it failed, not to mention Bayes and GLC rebutting this guy's philosophy and bet selection.
Here is a quote from that thread:
"Hola Ironsteel
I have 38 sets of live wheel spins from SM - about 7k. I went quickly through few sets and noticed gaps of over 20 between hits in section with with least amount of hits (5 or less). Without any tests i know from probability charts that 9 numbers can sleep easily over 20 spins. Just do your math. I see dozen sleep over 20 quite often. I'm not sure here that you can risk your BR waiting for first hit and you need more than one hit usually to be in profit. Only some stop-loss might help. You don't work on large sample of spins to except different results. From our friend Bayes charts you will see that you will get 25 spins without hit as often as any EC repeat for 10 spins.
Use any probability calculator."
With a minimal amount of effort, the system was debunked.
But there is something much more interesting in the last post from Ironsteel (author) :
"This system has brought me optimal results"
That's right, not winning results, but optimal results......................that's a huge difference.
But let's keep using
BELIEF in place of
FACTS....................look at what we've achieved..............oh...wait.........we still have no system :sad2:
Law...it looks like no one is listening to you. I didnt read your quote cos I read the post. Others have read all this and can make their own minds up.
They dont need your guidence. You arnt opening anyones eyes.
You arnt the little boy in The Kings New Clothes.
Give it a rest.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 15, 09:45 AM 2015
Law...it looks like no one is listening to you. I didnt read your quote cos I read the post. Others have read all this and can make their own minds up.
They dont need your guidence. You arnt opening anyones eyes.
You arnt the little boy in The Kings New Clothes.
Give it a rest.
Glad to see that you are taking time to comment on posts without reading them...........this is much more efficient.
Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Sep 15, 10:07 AM 2015
Law...
Sarcasm and negativity all the time
I am asking you to give it a rest.
Understand?
"Law...it looks like no one is listening to you. I didnt read your quote cos I read the post. Others have read all this and can make their own minds up.
They dont need your guidence. You arnt opening anyones eyes.
You arnt the little boy in The Kings New Clothes."
That is negativity.
I know that you have issues with me Turner, but please use pm in the future so that we don't waste everyone's time. Thank you.
Law...
Lets clarify what I am asking you to do
You are constanly trying to run the forum on your terms.
Rallying people to take your view. Trying to close posts you dont like. Trying to get people like PA banned
I dont like it and I am asking you to stop
Please !
Good evening,
PA asked for contributions regarding suitable progressions.
Quote
There so many simple progressions,mild progression.
the aggressive one will kill u in no time when variance hit.
this a small contribution, from u,
to help each others...the newbies...
spare them the heartache...
I would like to put forward these ideas for the single dozen progression.
The GLAT (GLC/Atlantis) Progression for Single Dozen:
Quote
The ORIGINAL GLAT system single doz
========================
Each line I will call a set of W/L's.
1. W Ends set. If at a new profit, reset to 1 unit else stay at same bet size and start a new set.
2. LW Ends Set. If at a new profit, reset to 1 unit else stay at same bet size and start a new set.
3. LLW Ends set. Neutral set. No bet size change. Start a new set.
4. LLLW Ends set. -1 Very small loss, so start a new set at same bet size.
5. LLLLW Ends set. -2 Getting into losses, so play next set at +1 unit added to bet size.
6. LLLLL...W The 1st W ends set. Number of L's = 5 or more. This will keep bet sizes from escalating when we hit our sleeping dozen. As soon as we have a Win it ends this set and we increase our bet size by +1 unit for next set.
These 6 sets should cover every possibility. Sets 1 & 2 are our winning sets.
If you find yourself betting a large bet size and you have a few wins in a row, you might consider decreasing your bet size but not all the way back to 1 rather than staying at the same level just in case you're about to go into another losing series.
Remember, Risk vs Reward. Decision time.
and
D/C Progression Idea
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15814.msg136695#msg136695 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15814.msg136695#msg136695)
Another one could be:
1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3...etc
+1 on a loss ; -3 on a win
or something similar to gr8player for doz.
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 15, 06:22 PM 2015
Good evening,
PA asked for contributions regarding suitable progressions.
I would like to put forward these ideas for the single dozen progression.
The GLAT (GLC/Atlantis) Progression for Single Dozen:
and
D/C Progression Idea
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15814.msg136695#msg136695 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15814.msg136695#msg136695)
Another one could be:
1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3...etc
+1 on a loss ; -3 on a win
or something similar to gr8player for doz.
Regards,
A.
on a bet selection that hits 49% of the time is this GOOD
Another one could be:
1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3...etc
+1 on a loss ; -3 on a win
Glad The Jerry Springer Show of roulette forum world has ended.Thanks Atlantis for bringing actual roulette talk back to the thread.I vote a new thread is started for progression ideas and further variance ideas sparked by PA.This one has drug on a bit too long and has become a bit redundant. Time to freshen up a bit with a new thread imo.
Thanks Atlantis,
for your contribution.
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below, I paste, some wonderful ideas of progressions,
By the respected GLC, respected Tomla, and respected Albalaha.
These will help the NEWBIES, and save them , hours of headache and heartache, and bulged eyeballs, searching in the net. hehehee
you may test them, and see whether they suit yours...
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can someone recommend a good double dozen/column progression that's not to drastic
« Reply #3 on:
ALBALAHA:
+2 on a loss, -1 on a win.
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By GLC...
Here's an even chance betting system that will almost guarantee you a win every trip to the casino. At times you will be in a real battle, but in the end you should pull out for a win.
The idea is based on the fact that when betting an even chance on a single zero wheel you should win on average 47 out of every 100 bets. At a flat bet, you will end up about 6 units down every 100 bets.
I propose that if you recover losses at a rate of more than 1 to 1, you should be able to improve you record over a flat bet. In other words, if you could recover say 2 losses with every win, you would find yourself ahead at the end of an average 100 bets.
Now this betting method tries to recover 1.5 to 2 losses with a win.
Here's how we do it.
We bet 1 unit until we lose. After the 1st loss our next bet is 2 units. If we wanted to we could just bet 1 unit to recover the lost bet, and if you like more of a grind, there's nothing to stop you from doing that.
I like to bet 2 units on my 1st recovery bet because most wins will happen in the 1st 2 bets and betting 1 then 2 results in a 1 unit win if either bet wins.
As you lose, every lost bet is recorded creating a line from left to right. If we lose our 2 unit recovery bet, our line will look like this: 1,2. Now in this case, since we want to recover at least 1.5 bets with every win, we bet 3 units which will wipe out the 1 and the 2 and we start over with 1 unit.
If we lose the 3 unit recovery bet our line is: 1,2,3. Now we continue to bet 3 units until we recover the 1 & 2. Every time we lose a 3 unit recovery bet, we write a 3 at the end of our line. This will have to be recovered.
As long as there is a 1 to recover, we never bet more than 3 units. Let's say we lose our 1st four 3 unit recovery bets. Our line is 1,2,3,3,3,3. If we win our next recovery bet of 3 units our line is: 3,3,3,3. At this point we go to a recovery bet of 5 or 6. 4 doesn't work because it only recovers 1 and a third bets and we want to recover at least 1 and a half losses. Now you can bet 4 if you want. It will recover more than 1 loss and should work in the long run, but it will create more of a grind.
If we bet say 5, every time we win, we will have a 1 unit leftover unit which we will write on another recovery line and it will have to be recovered along with any other odd units that aren't recovered from our first line. This also will help keep our bets smaller.
I hope this is clear. If not just ask and I'll try to clarify.
George
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Here's the same idea presented for dozens and columns. We want to wipe out 3 losses with every win.
Bet 1 unit until you lose 3 more than you win. Your line is 1,1,1.
Your next bet is 2 because a win will wipe out all 3 lost bets.
Every time you lose before you finally win, add a 2 to the end of your line.
Once all the 1's or recovered, all you will have left are 2's. A 3 unit bet will wipe out 3 each 2's, so we bet 3 units.
3 each 3 unit bets = 9 units so to recover 3's we bet 5 units.
3 each 5 unit bets = 15 units so to recover 5's we bet 8 unit bets. Etc...
If we have any extra units recovered, just let them go onto our wins total. Example: 3 each 5 unit bets = 15, but an 8 unit bet wins 16 units. 16-15 = 1unit. Let this just be a unit won when the line is totally recovered.
I have been testing this by playing for a dozen to repeat and it has been working fine. Sometimes we do get in the hole a bit and it takes a grind or a lucky streak to work out of it, but so far it has always happened.
Long stretches of above average losses are part and parcel to roulette and have to be contended with no matter what bet method you employ. This one tends to keep the unit size from escalating too rapidly and it does recover eventually.
I'm sure there's a session where you just can't win even 1/3 of the bets, so as with any gambling system, you have to have a stop loss unless you're wealthy enough to not need one.
Cheers,
George
Can you have a bet system for the streets and a separate one for the single numbers or are they tied together some way?
George
Here's for the line bets.
There's some room for personal preference here. I am using 7 losses because we want to wipe out more than 5 losses with each win. If we wiped out 5 losses, we would not have an edge at wiping out the previous line of losses. We could go to 8, 9 or even 10, but our next bet size would climb at a faster rate. 6,7,8,9 or 10 are all workable. Not one is more correct than the other. They just effect the rate at which the next bet size climbs.
Okay, here's for 7:
Bet 1 unit on the last Line to hit until you lose 7 times in a row.
Go to 2 units on each Line until you hit once which will wipe out the 7 1's.
If you haven't reached 7 losses in a row at 2 units by the time you hit and wipe out the 1's, keep betting 2 units per line until you reach 7 losses, then go to 3 units on each bet.
The reason I say 7 for the 2's is because a hit at 3 units = 15 units won and the seven 2's = 14 units.
Do not go to 3 units per bet until you have hit at 2 units per bet even if that is 15 or more 2 unit bets.
You always stay at the same number of units per bet until you hit and wipe out the previous level.
If at that hit you are at or beyond 7 losses at that level, you can go to the next level.
Here is a chart for what the next level is to wipe out the 7 losses on the previous level.
Seven 1's are cleared by 1 hit at 2 units.
Seven 2's are cleared by a hit at 3 units.
Seven 3's are cleared by a hit at 5 units.
Seven 5's are cleared by 1 hit at 7 units.
Seven 7's are cleared by 1 hit at 10 units.
Seven 10's are cleared by a hit at 14 units.
Seven 14's are cleared by 1 hit at 20 units.
Etc...
This is a long haul, but I have never lost any test with this concept.
One thing I want to clarify is that if you are betting say 5 units trying to clear seven 3's and you win at 5 units after the 3rd try, you continue to bet at 5 units until you either hit and clear all the previous 5 unit losses or reach seven 5 unit losses at which time you go to 7 unit bets.
If you don't hit on the 5 unit bet until the 12th attemp, this will wipe out the seven 3's and it's over the seven 5's that will be cleared by a hit at 7 units, so we immediately go to the 7 unit bet level.
The streets, splits and even the straight up numbers can be played by adapting this method to each payout.
By the way, I've never been able to come up with a better system for bet selection than to ftl or follow-the-last. So, all my testing is done with that bet selection. If you have a selection method that is better at any location on the board, please share with us.
Be sure and test this before playing for the real stuff so you know what to expect.
Also, since this is a bet method, you can stop in the middle of a run and pick up at the same place tomorrow if you run out of time.
Cheers,
George
In reply #3 regarding playing 2:1 bets I forgot to mention that if you are playing to clear a level such as playing 2 unit bets to clear the 3 1's, you don't go to the 3 unit bet level until you have either cleared the ones or reached 3 2 unit bet losses.
Example: your line is 1,1,1,2,2,2 Now because we haven't cleared the 1 unit level, even though we have 2 2 units bet losses, we stay at 2 unit bets until we finally have a hit to clear the 1's.
This may not happen for 8 more bets. Our line would be 1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2. If on the next bet we win a 2 unit bet, this clears our 1 unit level and we can go on to betting 3 units because every 3 unit win clears 3 2 unit losses.
Another example: your line is 1,1,1,2. If on the next bet we win at the 2 unit level and clear the 1 unit level we do not go to the 3 unit level because we don't have 3 2 unit losses yet. We stay at the 2 unit level until we either clear it by winning 2 unit bets or we lose 3 2 unit bets. At that time we can go to the 3 unit level to clear the 2 unit level.
This is a safeguard to keep our bets from rising too rapidly.
If you wanted to really be safe, you could double everything. Meaning, play at the 1 unit level until you lose 6 units and then go to the 2 unit level to recover. Stay at the 2 unit level until you have won twice which will clear the 6 1's on the 1 unit level and if you have lost 6 times at the 2 unit level, you can move to the 3 unit level. Etc...
As you can see, this is very flexible. Depends on how conservative you want to play.
Cheers,
George
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Here's a modified D'Alembert bet progression that has an uncanny ability to win units for you.
Played on even chance bets of all kinds.
+1 after every loss
-1 after 1st win
+1 after 2nd win
-1 after 3rd win
+1 after 4th win
-1 after 5th win (note: these are consecutive wins like this WWWWW not WLLWWLLLLWLLLW)
keep same pattern if needed to recover but if you need more than 5 wins you've been on a really bad losing streak.
In other words if we win 3 times in a row and we are betting 6 on our 1st win we will bet 5 on our next bet and if we win this 2nd time we will go back to 6 for our 3rd bet.
Anytime you reach a new high bank, cut bet amount in half.
Let's say you are betting 10 units and you just had a win and reached a new high bank at 80 units. Normally you would keep alternating between 10 and 9 until you lose, but since you are at a new high, cut your bet in half to 5 units and continue the trot.
We don't reset to 1 after reaching even or +1. Rather we keep playing the progression until we reach our win target of say 50 units.
We cut our bets in half whenever we reach a new high because if we didn't, our bet sizes would just continue to grow larger since the most we decrease our bet amount by is 1 unit. We also cut our bet size in half if we get close to a new high bank. This is a judgement call on your part.
In other words, if I were betting 10 units and I got to within 5 or 6 units of reaching a new high win amount, I would drop my bet size down to 5 units. This helps keep our bets from escalating too rapidly if we happen to go into a strong losing trend just when we were about to reach a new high.
Example:
Bet 1 and lose -1
Bet 2 and lose -3
bet 3 and lose -6
bet 4 and lose -10
bet 5 and win -5
bet 4 and win -1
bet 5 and lose -6
bet 6 and win 0
bet 5 and win +5 this is a new high so we cut our bet in half. 2 units or 3 units. you decide.
bet 2 and win +7
bet 1 and win +8
bet 2 and win +10
bet 1 and lose +9
bet 2 and lose +6
bet 3 and lose +3
bet 4 and win +7
bet 3 and win +10
bet 4 and lose +6
bet 5 and win +11 New high so cut bet in half
bet 2 and win +13 New high so cut bet in half
bet 1 and lose +12
bet 2 and lose +10
bet 3 and win +13
bet 2 and win +15
bet 1 and lose +14
bet 2 and lose +12
bet 3 and lose +9
bet 4 and lose +5
bet 5 and lose 0
bet 6 and lose -6
bet 7 and win +1
bet 6 and win +7
bet 7 and lose 0
bet 8 and lose -8
bet 9 and lose -17
bet 10 and lose -27
bet 11 and win -16
bet 10 and win -6
bet 11 and win +5
bet 10 and lose -5
bet 11 and lose -16
bet 12 and win -4
bet 11 and win +7
bet 12 and win +19 New high so cut bet in half.
bet 6 and lose +13
bet 7 and lose +6
bet 8 and win +14
bet 7 and win +21 New high so cut bet in half
bet 3 and lose +18
bet 4 and lose +14
bet 5 and lose +9
bet 6 and win +15
bet 5 and win +20
bet 6 and win +26 New high so cut bet in half
bet 3 and win +29 New high
bet 2 and win +31
etc...
27 wins
28 losses
+31 units up
largest bet was 12 units
-27 largest drawdown
This is easy to play and very powerful.
The fact that we don't -1 unit after every win helps us to recover with fewer wins.
I know, there's a sequence that can cause us to have larger drawdowns than we like and have to bet larger bet sizes than we like, but with a decent bank to start with, you should be able to weather most series.
Pick a stop-loss in case of a nightmare session.
Give it a test run and you might be surprised.
GLC
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First of all, my thanks to Tomla021 for sharing this 4 step bet method with me. It's not invincible, but it has been holding strong so far and still much better than your average system.
We start with 4 units and we use them to win 4 more units. It's a very clever positioning of the won units that makes this a strong method. Explanation follows.
Here's our chart. It has 4 patterns. Memorize it. It's easy to do.
1 1 1 1 = 4 units
1 2 1 1 = 5 units
1 1 2 2 = 6 units
1 1 2 3 = 7 units
Start with 4 units 1 1 1 1
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, put it on the 2nd unit like this 1 2 1 1.
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, put it on the 4th unit and move 1 unit from the 2nd position to the 3rd position like this 1 1 2 2.
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, put it on the 4th position like this 1 1 2 3.
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, we have won 4 units. Goal accomplished.
But what if we don't win 4 times in a row?
We always bet the leftmost position and we always try to re-create the above positions.
We bet the 1st unit and if we lose, we bet the 2nd unit.
If we win on the 2nd unit we replace the 1st lost unit and we have 1 1 1 1 again. Start over.
If we win the 1st bet we will have 1 2 1 1. If we lose the next bet we will have X 2 1 1.
The leftmost number is 2 which we bet. If we win, we will have 6 units. We look at our chart and see what pattern is made up of 6 units. It's 1 1 2 2. That's our new pattern and we now bet the leftmost position, the 1st position or 1 unit.
Note: We only recreate our chart after a win. Everything stays in place after a loss.
If we win 2 times and then lose 2 times we will have X X 2 2. Since we just lost we don't re-arrange the units so our next bet is 2. A win here and we are re-arrange our chart to 1 1 2 2.
If we lose 3 times we will havel X X X 2. We bet the 2 and if we win we will have 4 units and anytime we have 4 units after a win, we re-create the 4 units pattern, 1 1 1 1.
If we have the 1 1 2 3 pattern and we lose 3 times in a row we will have X X X 3 so we bet 3. If we win we will have 6 units so we re-create the 6 units pattern, 1 1 2 2 and bet the 1st 1 next.
As you can see, the way we move the units around maximizes our chances of staying alive until we can win our 4 units.
This can be the foundation of a lot of betting methods to give us a better chance to walk away with a few chips.
I could stop right here. But I won't.
All we have to do is substitute this 4 unit series for a single unit. For example, let's say we're betting D'Alembert or +1 on a loss and -1 on a win. Instead of 1 unit we substitue 4 units. We play our 4 unit pattern and if we lose, that represents a 1 unit loss so we +1 and our next pattern is 2 2 2 2. We play it the same way as the 1 1 1 1 and if we win, we will have won 8 units which represents 2 units -1 unit = +1 unit. Remember a unit is = to 4 units.
With a little thought, you can use this betting pattern with every bet progression there is!
Will it perform better than a single unit?
Well, that's the rest of the story. And it's yet to be determined.
GLC
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I have tried it with a variety of progressions:
The simplest is a simple D'Alembert or +1/-1
1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3
4 4 4 4
5 5 5 5
6 6 6 6
7 7 7 7
etc....
This works just fine. It's a little slow, but effective. If you want to make it more of a grind, you can play the double Alembert
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3
3 3 3 3
etc...
Or for those who want a more aggressive version of Alembert
1 1 1 1
3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5
7 7 7 7
9 9 9 9
etc...
A simple martingale is also very effective. I have tried it and just can't seem to get past the 16 level.
1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2
4 4 4 4
8 8 8 8
16 16 16 16
32 32 32 32
64 64 64 64
Any time we complete a level, we will be at +4
Fibonacci
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5
8 8 8 8
13 13 13 13
21 21 21 21
34 34 34 34
etc...
Remember, we have to win 2 levels to fully recover. The level of our 1st win and the level just below it.
Using the ambidex bet method may be too complicated especially if the bet selection system wins on a flat bet.
That would be too good to be true.
This may be more info than most of you are interested in, but if even one of you can fit it into your arsenal, it'll be worth it.
GLC
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Lots of ideas there!
Today I would like to ask PA further about BET SELECTION.
I think by now we know the importance of having a STABLE and TESTED bet that LOSES close to the HE -2.7%
I want to ask PA and members if they have come up with any suitable single DOZEN idea that conforms to this criteria.
I am using the bet new dozen for a repeat ONCE only method in my testing. (betting for series)
Are there any others equally as good or better that will hold up and can be heartily recommended to use with PA's strategy?
But any further advice on betting and cut-loss also will be welcomed - as, like others I suppose, I still learning and need to understand more regarding the important and finer points of play such as cut-loss etc...
Regards,
A.
Cut loss? Ask yourself how many units you win on a average session.
Then ask yourself how many sessions you willing to recover.
Personally im playing 1111 2222 3333 4444 5555 buuuuut.. if i would played 111 222 333 STOP i only lost 1 sessions (18u). And knowing the minimum i win is 10u on all the other sessions. Now that's a MM i like ^^.
Above i see a progression 1111 2222 4444 8888 etc...highly effective. But what if all goes wrong? How many sessions we need to ever get that back? Pffff. No thx.
Also the 11112222333344445555 would be absolute maximum for me.
How about this .... 1112 2233 3222 3334 4445 Stop. ( i would recover this bust in 3 sessions ). But till today not got passed 4u. And 21 sessions played. Also i not stop after ONCE. So far so good. :thumbsup:
Thanks for your thoughts, denzie.
I agree in the main about that.
A.
Quote from: denzie on Sep 16, 04:57 AM 2015
Cut loss? Ask yourself how many units you win on a average session.
Then ask yourself how many sessions you willing to recover.
Personally im playing 1111 2222 3333 4444 5555 buuuuut.. if i would played 111 222 333 STOP i only lost 1 sessions (18u). And knowing the minimum i win is 10u on all the other sessions. Now that's a MM i like ^^.
Above i see a progression 1111 2222 4444 8888 etc...highly effective. But what if all goes wrong? How many sessions we need to ever get that back? Pffff. No thx.
Also the 11112222333344445555 would be absolute maximum for me.
How about this .... 1112 2233 3222 3334 4445 Stop. ( i would recover this bust in 3 sessions ). But till today not got passed 4u. And 21 sessions played. Also i not stop after ONCE. So far so good. :thumbsup:
Denzie - Very interesting thought process. I always believe in thinking about "Fastest way to Failure" is the way to find a method that works. Once you know the "way to failure" you will be able to make informed decisions whether win or lose.
My 2 cents on what you are trying to do. One is a way where it is very frequent to lose and win. It is like betting ECs. You will see frequent wins and losses. Another is a way where it is very frequent to win but it is rare to lose. It is like betting on 35 numbers. One can win in either way, if the method that is selected can outweigh the risk of loss with the risk of win and not with the number of wins against number of losses.
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 16, 06:49 AM 2015
Another is a way where it is very frequent to win but it is rare to lose. It is like betting on 35 numbers. One can win in either way, if the method that is selected can outweigh the risk of loss with the risk of win and not with the number of wins against number of losses.
:thumbsup:
U waltz into the casino,
at the roulette table,
u see red and a zero had hit for ten streaks.
U understand that EC roulette ,history of B&M casino...
there never less than 30 BLACK hit in 100spins. Never!
Now, after the 10losses, there will be..
at LEAST ,
30BLACK, in NEXT 90spins!
The highest risk now, is 60red, and 30black.
[u see that 60x1=60, 30x2=60,
breakeven...
that in theory ,
black need to win at least twice, the red,
for u to win at least 1unit, after, or before 90spins.]
Now,
How are u going to bet,
when u are very confident,
that,
there will be NO LESS, than 30BLACK,
in next 90 spins???
suddenly, ...
all the ambiguous bet selection,
and all the ambiguous progression,
are not important...
...ANYMORE!
Do u...
bang your table, and shout...
EUREKA!, or,
yes!yes!yes!,
or
WOW!,wow!,wow!,
or
HAHAHA!, or
HEHEHE!
now???
This is an example how u bet, when u really understand what I preached all along...
Thanks.
We have heard your preaching..
Now
How do you play
Rules
"that in theory ,
black need to win at least twice, the red,
for u to win at least 1unit, after, or before 90spins."
Given this logic, a standard D'alembert should work, hence the problem.
With this statement, you have buried the lead; which progression beats this 30/90?
Your "preaching" gives us numbers we already had. so where is the revelation? :question:
There an interesting discussion, going on..
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Re: Nice little earner!!Hi again
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15831.60 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15831.60)
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It is based on EC, series betting,
bet EC will go from ...
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SERIES of TWO,
to become SERIES of THREE, then STOP.
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to the newbies,
When an EC hit 'twice,-or-more', no matter how long, even 20streaks!, that a SERIES.
if only once, that SINGLE.
eg.
BLACK,BLACK,red,BLACK,
red,red,BLACK,BLACK,BLACK,red,red,
BLACK,BLACK,[series]
red,[single]
BLACK,[single]
red,red,[series]
BLACK,BLACK,BLACK,[series]
red,red,[series]
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the BET selection, of bet ONLY a EC bet,
of series, single, will also,
have their own VARIANCE headache!
Thus BLEEP, has MIXED UP, all three EC, bet TOGETHER, and he get quite a marvellous stable BET selection.
When one EC has VARIANCE, then the other two do not, thus, MIX up, and u get quite STABLE selection.
But BLEEP, also lament that, ...
-----------------------------------
"you can get quite a lot wrong leading to
a big progression".
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Simply mean u culd expect long variance with this strategy.
======================
How he bet?
BET RED
BET BLACK
BET HIGH
BET LOW
BET EVEN
BET ODD.
Wait for an EC become series of two, and bet it to becomes series of three,...
and repeat this for all EC bet.
Thus u have SIX, of EC to bet.
eg.
trigger= RED, RED,
[now red has two hit in row, bet red will hit again. That 50%, albeit the green.]win, or lose, STOP bet wait for trigger.
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trigger= LOW,LOW,
[now LOW has two hit in row, bet LOW will hit again. That 50%, albeit the green.]win, or lose, STOP bet wait for trigger.
----------------------
trigger=ODD,ODD,
[now ODD has two hit in row, bet ODD will hit again. That 50%, albeit the green.]win, or lose, STOP bet wait for trigger.
and so on..
this mean u do not just bet a static bet, u jumping around the E/O, R/B,H/L...
thus u mix up their HIT/VARIANCE!!!
and cut short their variance into short win/loss.
The WIN/LOSE is within math,
but the VARIANCE, always cut into short variance.
If u could do programme,
then, do a long programme, and see how long will the variance hit..and please tell us...
What U think?
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 16, 11:35 PM 2015
With this statement, you have buried the lead; which progression beats this 30/90?
Hi Respected TheLaw,
Thanks for your reply.
Any Expert, understand that,
The Labby [start with a single,' 1'], will win, 1u,
when the win/lose ratio, hit above 33%, plus...
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At my example...
After 10streak of losses, we ASSUMED that, the WORST, will be 30/90=33%.
that the WORST.
and if the following w/L ratio, is within math, or the wins clustered at the early spins, then it will win at least 1u, before the 100th spin.
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Some member will argue that will be too high risk!
Then , to avoid high risk, we do not bet, but wait...
we choose to see , what the following spins produce.
As u wait and see, u will see , there may VARIANCE HIT again..., and u may count, what LEFT, in the remaining spins.
eg.
after 10streaks of loss,=-10, thus the WORST, will 30/90=33%.
If there more 'absolute losses', then there will be....
say,
an OVERSIMPLIFIED example...
say, after 30spins,
there only x win, then there will be,
worst=
y win/70spins=35%..
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then , if u want more secure bet , wait for more absolute losses,
until the percentages to be HIGHER...but u miss, the opportunity, if the rest= within math expectation.
Of course, we do not BET every, set, that we put under microscope...
so to speak.
Sometime , there will be just impossible to bet, every set, and we just act accordingly...only bet the most secured...with variance avoidance...
thanks...
Expert, may Skip this...as
this preach for newbies, REPETITIVE and Boring.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
U may see that in various forums, people debates,
till their high blood pressure hit the roof, and eyes bulged, that PROGRESSION, their advantages and disadvantages..
This is like arguing which tires, is the best for the cars, to win the stock car race?!..Instead of improving the engines performances...
Even the MILDEST progression, will KILL u, when your bet selection swing WILD, why?
Because, when u profit, u just earn a little, but when u lose, u lose a bundle, that hard to recoup, with next few win.
ONLY bet selection, that consistently hit within the edge, and VARIANCE avoidance, and mild progression, plus a cut loss,
could make u win, constantly...
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say, the edge is -2.7%
Then in 111spins,
In the first three spins,
there is three ABSOLUTE losses, -3.
then the losses that u didnt take,
theoretically, the rest is 50%...
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If the ABSOLUTE losses is -10, that u didnt take and lost, then the rest , theoretically, u already have an edge over the casino, so to speak...
say , u see , ten streaks loss, of red, then, the rest of the Black, in remaining 101spins???
[ 111spins-10=101.spins remain]
will be minus -3 for edge, minus -7, then how much edge u have over the casino?
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Of course that only in the MATH expectation theory...
hope u understand and see from different angle.
Thanks.
so a basic way of looking at it is to combine Priyanka,s rolling 18 number method make it slightly longer say 30 spins using newest result and getting rid of oldest result...not using numbers but all ec,s until a favorable ratio comes your way to start betting and play through the next 81 spins...bit of tracking involved but a simple program could be built to do this for you for all ec,s not just red and black
Quote from: 6th-sense on Sep 17, 03:05 AM 2015
so a basic way of looking at it is to combine Priyanka,s rolling 18 number method make it slightly longer say 30 spins using newest result and getting rid of oldest result...not using numbers but all ec,s until a favorable ratio comes your way to start betting and play through the next 81 spins...bit of tracking involved but a simple program could be built to do this for you for all ec,s not just red and black
Hi Sixth,
with respect.
If we are very confident that our selection, will...,
say 50%, ratio.
Then just wait for the, as u said, "favorable',
like so, as many 'absolute losses', then just bet flatbet till profit..
the stipulation, is whether the selection, will consistently...
" at or around 50%"???...
Quote from: P.A on Sep 16, 08:37 PM 2015
U waltz into the casino,
at the roulette table,
u see red and a zero had hit for ten streaks.
U understand that EC roulette ,history of B&M casino...
there never less than 30 BLACK hit in 100spins. Never!
Now, after the 10losses, there will be..
at LEAST ,
30BLACK, in NEXT 90spins!
The highest risk now, is 60red, and 30black.
[u see that 60x1=60, 30x2=60,
breakeven...
that in theory ,
black need to win at least twice, the red,
for u to win at least 1unit, after, or before 90spins.]
Now,
How are u going to bet,
when u are very confident,
that,
there will be NO LESS, than 30BLACK,
in next 90 spins???
suddenly, ...
all the ambiguous bet selection,
and all the ambiguous progression,
are not important...
...ANYMORE!
Do u...
bang your table, and shout...
EUREKA!, or,
yes!yes!yes!,
or
WOW!,wow!,wow!,
or
HAHAHA!, or
HEHEHE!
now???
This is an example how u bet, when u really understand what I preached all along...
Thanks.
Just the other day I have run a comprehensive test tracking H/L bet selection (but could very well be R/B, O/E etc). I tested 10 million 100 spin series. The worst case was only 26 wins in 100 spins. So you can get worse than 30 wins.
Hi LuckoftheIrish,
Thanks for your extensive spin stats on the appearance of the EC's over 100 spins.
A.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 17, 05:17 AM 2015
Then just wait for the, as u said, "favorable',
like so, as many 'absolute losses', then just bet flatbet till profit..
P.A. â€" My 2 cents. It might save you some time and effort. “
Waiting for a random event†cannot help you figure out an edge. Neither will it help you control the variance. Take an example, waiting for 20 reds before betting on black. As extreme as it sounds 21 reds is just around the corner. This is a simple example. However complex you think, however complex selections you pick up it will all grind down to this point. Next spin is independent of the previous spin and only a collection of spins if seen as a collection and played as a collection can obey the laws of probability. Else, you will always hit your personal permanence with the respect to the variance.
Coming to the breaking down of spins. Sure it is a good tool to see how individual blocks constitute to the bigger picture, but adjustments need to be taken into account in terms of the variability. 30/90 cannot be split to 3/9. 30/90 cannot even be split into two blocks of 15/45. It will go something along the lines of 10/45 and 20/45. The lower the number of spins you take into account the variance will be higher. This is very apparent from the fact that 0/9 is a possible scenario which most of us must have seen. This random variance cannot be beaten.
It is the TRUTH however difficult it is to digest.
One possible solution for beating this expectation is not in keeping all your eggs in one basket. It will always lead to a negative expectation, which is the nature of the game. However if you are able to find a way of alternating your bet selections in a predefined frequency you might be able to turn it into a positive result. Going after variance breaking point is JUST A FALLACY as no such breaking point exists. Let me explain a common simple example that is used to tell how does this “diversification†of your games work.
There is a game where you need to take 100 steps. You start with £100. At the end of every step you take, you are allowed to choose one of the following options.
Option 1 : You lose £1 for every step.
Option 2 : You are allowed to count the money in your hand. If it is even you win £3. If it is odd you win £5.
Now if you keep on choosing Option 1, you will lose all your money at the end of 100th step.
If you keep choosing only Option 2, you will lose all your money at the end of 100th step.
Both options individually played will lose you money. But consider the option, where you start with Option 2 in the first step, Option 1 in the second step and keep alternating. You would have doubled your money when you have taken the 100th step. Fascinating right!
But be mindful of the fact that not always both the options played alternatively will give you the positive result. Consider you chose Option 1 in the first step and Option 2 in the second step. You will have no money to play after a few steps . The key is finding the correct balance on when to mix what option and for how long. Parachute progression is one attempt to apply this alternating games paradox knowingly or unknowingly (not that it turned out to be successful)
My sincere advice is if you need to device your own HG, there is
no point in looking for going for the edge of variance as such a limit do not exist. You need to understand the cycles that happen in roulette primarily on numbers and you need to play a game that consists of multiple games. That will be time spent very constructive.
Priyanka wrote:
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Coming to the breaking down of spins. Sure it is a good tool to see how individual blocks constitute to the bigger picture, but adjustments need to be taken into account in terms of the variability. 30/90 cannot be split to 3/9. 30/90 cannot even be split into two blocks of 15/45. It will go something along the lines of 10/45 and 20/45. The lower the number of spins you take into account the variance will be higher. This is very apparent from the fact that 0/9 is a possible scenario which most of us must have seen. This random variance cannot be beaten. It is the TRUTH however difficult it is to digest.
Priyanka, this makes total sense to me and bears out my findings also with the breaking down into smaller sets.
PA, it is difficult for me to see how you can argue with this or refute it entirely?
Is Steve also right what he posted... and if so then am I mistakenly prone to labouring under a misapprehension and misconstruing the reality of the situation? Wouldn't be the first time. And now I have begun to have doubts about this - not a good sign!
Although I am winning a small amount of games still and am happy with that - maybe it is really down to just good luck after all - and I just imagine I have the upper hand? I am quite willing to accept this may turn out to be the case. I really hope not though.
PA, we could all do without the riddles from now on - please put forward some concrete example that demonstrate your principles in practice so that we can analyze and scrutinise the prudent checks and balances that you suggest we put in place for success when we play a session using these guiding principles which you are espousing.
A.
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 17, 11:56 AM 2015
, there is no point in looking for going for the edge of variance as such a limit do not exist.
Correct. It all boils down probability. These probabilities occur because of the phenomenally high amount of combinations within 37 numbers. You cant play with the notion they arnt there.
And as your Chartered Airbus 330 fight to Spain has a catastrophic mechanical failure, you have around 2 mins to live.
Just enough time to think about the bet you placed before you boarded....and how rich you are.
1$ on the plane crashing.
18,000,000 : 1
On average, 3 or 4 Chartered flights crash each year in Europe
Which ones last year? Simple, look at past histories
Which ones next year?
PA says that you must find a bet selection that stays close to even. The problem is no such bet selection exists. I have tested hundreds, maybe thousands in the last decade. Any bet selection on even chances can possibly only win 26 or fewer times in 100 tries.
Dear respected Turner, Priyanka,Atlantis,Luck,Sixth, and others,
Thanks for your replies.
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[30w/100, and 69/200 is the B&M casino, 26/100, I think is RnG.
the probability is very low for usto stumble upon them in casino...]
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I see that after a VARIANCE happened, the the following sequences will present itself as 'within the math', that easily beaten with even the simple LABBY start with '1'...or any simple progression.
Below a sample that I simply copied, the very first in the list of record...and simply mark a few VARIANCES that I mark from XXXXX to YYYYYY,
And u will see ,variance hapened, after that, the sequences will in math expectation,
u will see the risk is ,after a variance, there will be another variance.
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It just, when an abnormal, then normal will follow, in math expectation.
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3
12
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5
25yyyyyyyyyyyy
13 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
31
35
24
30
27
31
26
23
7
4
2
15
35
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31
1
8
10
29
8 yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
25xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
21
19
32
6
32
33
23
19
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19
00
3
20
21
15
2
00
30
36
12
27
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16
7yyyyyyyyyyyy
6
26
34
30
20
8
18
14
23
18
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3
25
29
18
31
34
4
25
27
36
2
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Anzahl Spiele: 340
H剈figkeiten:
0 8
1 9
2 8
3 15
4 6
5 7
6 6
7 8
8 8
9 5
10 9
11 7
12 11
13 8
14 5
15 9
16 9
17 8
18 13
19 11
20 13
21 3
22 7
23 7
24 10
25 11
26 15
27 11
28 6
29 10
30 10
31 16
32 8
33 10
34 12
35 10
36 11
Schwarz 166
Rot 166
Pair 167
Impair 165
Passe 181
Manque 151
1. Dutzend 99
2. Dutzend 103
3. Dutzend 130
1. COL 112
2. COL 106
3. COL 114
1- 3 32
4- 6 19
7- 9 21
10-12 27
13-15 22
16-18 30
19-21 27
22-24 24
25-27 37
28-30 26
31-33 34
34-36 33
1- 6 51
4- 9 40
7-12 48
10-15 49
13-18 52
16-21 57
19-24 51
22-27 61
25-30 63
28-33 60
31-36 67
Uhrzeit Spielbeginn:
15.00
Uhrzeit letzte Zahl/Spielende:
02.57
if u open any record data of , say , Hamburg,
U will never see any less than 30w/100spins.
or 69win/200spins.
Ok, now U see that , there will be NEVER less than 30black, or red in 100spins.
Now u wait for a ...
streak of losses, where there huge absolute losses,
[where win minus loss=0], or just simply streak of ten losses,
[it always happen],
then, from the very first spin, where the streak START,
minus the winning from 30, [ ASSUMED WORST 30],
and calculate the remaining spins.[100spins minus previous spins].
[Absolute loss: the more the BETTER]
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eg.
from first to 15spins, there only 2win, thus there 11absolute loss..Thus 30 assumed worst, minus 2win=28...there will be no less than 28win,
in remaining 85spins...that assumed to be the WORST...
How u going to win, with any progression, if u very confident that , there will be no less than 28hit /85=32% ???
at worst there be ONLY 28w/in next 85spins.=32.9%.
or 67w/185spins,=36% [based on worst only 69w/200]
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at BEST. there will be positive.
Averages, there will be within math.
Thanks.
I understand, but even knowing you will get a 33% hit rate does not help, because a simple labby can not survive every possibility. There is no progression alive that could win every 200 spins.
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 17, 11:56 AM 2015
P.A. â€" My 2 cents.
Hi respected Priyanka,
thanks for your post.
Appreciate them.
I try my best to answer yours, as my English not at par...hehehe
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Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 17, 11:56 AM 2015
Coming to the breaking down of spins. Sure it is a good tool to see how individual blocks constitute to the bigger picture, but adjustments need to be taken into account in terms of the variability. 30/90 cannot be split to 3/9. 30/90 cannot even be split into two blocks of 15/45. It will go something along the lines of 10/45 and 20/45. The lower the number of spins you take into account the variance will be higher. This is very apparent from the fact that 0/9 is a possible scenario which most of us must have seen. This random variance cannot be beaten. It is the TRUTH however difficult it is to digest.
30/90 cannot be split to 3/9. 30/90 cannot even be split into two blocks of 15/45. It will go something along the lines of 10/45 and 20/45. The lower the number of spins you take into account the variance will be higher. This is very apparent from the fact that 0/9 is a possible scenario which most of us must have seen.
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yes , U are right, the short spins will definitely have deadly variance.
The truth is we cant bet and win every season.
[It will go something along the lines of 10/45 and 20/45.]
if we see 10/45 in first half, then easy win, in 20/45.
if 30/90 really happen, it will also has clustered win, in early or later half...
this in line with variance avoidance...
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seems hard to beat..hehehee
Quote from: Priyanka on Sep 17, 11:56 AM 2015
P.A. â€" My 2 cents. It might save you some time and effort. “Waiting for a random event†cannot help you figure out an edge. Neither will it help you control the variance. Take an example, waiting for 20 reds before betting on black. As extreme as it sounds 21 reds is just around the corner. This is a simple example. However complex you think, however complex selections you pick up it will all grind down to this point. Next spin is independent of the previous spin and only a collection of spins if seen as a collection and played as a collection can obey the laws of probability. Else, you will always hit your personal permanence with the respect to the variance.
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After I see 20reds, or absolute losses,
of 20, we bet red, not BLACK!!!,[ this is where the MISUNDERSTANDING , the fault is mine, for not clear!]
and bet that the remaining red ,
will hit within MATH EXECTATION...50/50...
We assume, after an ABNORMAL math, then a NORMAL math will happen.because of 50/50,
[ abnormal, is just out of 50/50...]
we assume that 50/50 will soon DICTATE ...
We just wait for the VARIANCE to happened, and the assume the NORMAL within math will happen then..just like ...
abnormal,
normal,
abnormal,
normal,
so on,
where we cant predict how long the abnormal sequences will go,we just take risk.
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Coming to the breaking down of spins. Sure it is a good tool to see how individual blocks constitute to the bigger picture, but adjustments need to be taken into account in terms of the variability. 30/90 cannot be split to 3/9. 30/90 cannot even be split into two blocks of 15/45. It will go something along the lines of 10/45 and 20/45. The lower the number of spins you take into account the variance will be higher. This is very apparent from the fact that 0/9 is a possible scenario which most of us must have seen. This random variance cannot be beaten. It is the TRUTH however difficult it is to digest.
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30/90, 69/200record. are, what we assumed the WORST.
and we bet till the last drop...with progression.
flatbet just a theory...unlikely posibility.]
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One possible solution for beating this expectation is not in keeping all your eggs in one basket. It will always lead to a negative expectation, which is the nature of the game. However if you are able to find a way of alternating your bet selections in a predefined frequency you might be able to turn it into a positive result. Going after variance breaking point is JUST A FALLACY as no such breaking point exists. Let me explain a common simple example that is used to tell how does this “diversification†of your games work.
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Variance is a 50/50, out of norm, and the subsequence sequences will soon 50/50, and we bet on that it will 50%.
with progression.
the breakeven, just an academic theory, for member to understand what to expect if WORST.
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There is a game where you need to take 100 steps. You start with £100. At the end of every step you take, you are allowed to choose one of the following options.
Option 1 : You lose £1 for every step.
Option 2 : You are allowed to count the money in your hand. If it is even you win £3. If it is odd you win £5.
Now if you keep on choosing Option 1, you will lose all your money at the end of 100th step.
If you keep choosing only Option 2, you will lose all your money at the end of 100th step.
Both options individually played will lose you money. But consider the option, where you start with Option 2 in the first step, Option 1 in the second step and keep alternating. You would have doubled your money when you have taken the 100th step. Fascinating right!
But be mindful of the fact that not always both the options played alternatively will give you the positive result. Consider you chose Option 1 in the first step and Option 2 in the second step. You will have no money to play after a few steps . The key is finding the correct balance on when to mix what option and for how long. Parachute progression is one attempt to apply this alternating games paradox knowingly or unknowingly (not that it turned out to be successful)
My sincere advice is if you need to device your own HG, there is no point in looking for going for the edge of variance as such a limit do not exist. You need to understand the cycles that happen in roulette primarily on numbers and you need to play a game that consists of multiple games. That will be time spent very constructive.
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We are looking for variance to happen FIRST, because variance is out of synce the 50/50 .
when the Variance begin to normalise, we bet the remaining will 50/50.
it simply wait for ABNORMAL, then bet the 50/50 NORMAL...
with mild progression, cut loss...
Thanks Priyanka.
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Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Sep 17, 07:46 PM 2015
I understand, but even knowing you will get a 33% hit rate does not help, because a simple labby can not survive every possibility. There is no progression alive that could win every 200 spins.
Thanks LuckoftheIrish,
I understand your worrying, that 33%, may happen,
and 33% cant survive, any progression.
That 33%, is just another strategy, where u wait for some absolute losses, and then regard the worst 30/100 willhappen, and act accordingly.
1] 33%, is just what we assumed the WORST,
that could happen...after the variance streaks.
and IMPOSSIBLE to beat.
Labby start with "1", can only win 1, after 33% plus...
2]WE still need variance avoidance when we bet the spins, so that we not trapped, when the 33% really hit....say stop bet when 4loss streak happen, and bet again after a win trigger, so we wont trapped in another long losing streaks.
3]In normal day, there always within math expectation, but worst may happen,
That is why we need to accept that , sometime it just impossible, and we need to cut loss...
That is why we need to win x per session, and cut loss=y per session, the losses of y, recoup by next few x winning session.
The hurtful truth, is , impossible to win every session...
need to cut loss once in a while..
How many spins have you tested your strategy on?
Thanks.
expert may skip, as this for newbies , and repetitive and boring.
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Ladies, and Gentlemen.
The Variance issue, is very difficult to understand.
In the worst 69win/200spins, or the theoretically worst,
[or worst 30win/100spins.
We may find it hard to win.
when there constantly only 3/10spins!]
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One of the bet selection, that BLEEP posted other thread,
is bet six EC, at the same time, with trigger,
thus , if a very long variance, of a single EC hit,
they will be diluted by the others hits.
But that also dilute the hot hits..hehehe...
There, are more than two ways to avoid variance.
[Please remember , we DO NOT predict, foresee, or control variance.
We just wait and see, what happen, and act according to laws of maths.]
1]Wait to see, a variance to happened, then act accordingly.
say,
if first 50spins, has only15 win, then assuming the worst, 30/100, we risk that the next 50spins will have only 15wins!
But that is the worst extreme...there always element of risk.
2]Avoid the variance, STOP betting, when losses become streak.
say,
stop after 3losses, or 4losses, when betting EC.
or stop bet when , after 4,5,or 6 losses streaks, when betting single dozen. this way we may reduce the losses,
The other strategy is, if we see,
say,
only a few hit in 30spins,
then we bet the next, 30spins, after the win normalise,
as do or die staking.
That mean, if the next 30spins=within math, then we win X.
if next 30spins=DEBACLE, we lose =Y,
we need to stop after 30spins.
then lick our wound, and see that another few session, will win more X to recoup the Y losses...
Do we have choice?
Variance will happen, on and off, but as the casino always keep eyes on the wheel, so the are balanced, we are assured that variance wont go very long , and rtm will always have the last words.
Say, u see,
there only 6hits, in previous 30spins, when when normalize, that mean the variance should over, and the 50/50, albeit zero should be in orders,
then we bet that the next 30spins will have around 15wins.
and that any labby will win easily...if the hit only 33%plus one...
but what if the next 30spins, has less than 33%?
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now the trillion dollar question.
Then u have to cut loss, or think out any strategy that can win hit that LESS than 33%plus one...!!!
Does that strategy exist???
Think hard, very hard.
please...
Dont PM me !, for answer, please.
Think hard.
[u may eureka! hahaha! wowowowow!!!]
I guess im just lucky if i read the posts of the "non-eureka" crowd. ...
34 sessions played. 32W/2L
Stop point a bust or minimum half my session br!
On my way to the lotteryshop...coz im in a luck period
P.A. - One last post from me on this thread. All the best. :thumbsup:
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:)
below a progression strategy by Priyanka, that quite good, and I paste them here, so everyone could learn ...
Many thanks to Priyanka.
Appreciate them.
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Lifetime Progression.
by Priyanka.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0)
Bet selection â€" Use what one is comfortable with. OTL, FTL, 3SD whatever pleases you. To me it’s a simple bet on black always J
Level 1 â€" Flat bet on 1 unit. Until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 1 unit. Whichever is earlier. If you reach a point where you are up by 1 unit, restart the progression from level 1 again.
Level 2 â€" You will reach this stage if you have bet for 10 spins are you in negative territory. Now lets say you won 3 spins, lost 7 spins. You are in negative of -4u. Add the unit that you are in negative and 1 u. In this example you get 5u. Flat bet 5 units until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 5 units. Whichever is earlier. If you reach a point where you are up 5u, restart from level 1.
Level 3 â€" You will reach this if you have bet for 20 spins and you are still in negative territory. Now lets say you are combined in negative of -4u from first set and -10u from second set, add those and 1u. You will get 15u. Flat bet 15 units until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 15 units.
You can go on and on. But so far, I have stopped at Level 3, cursing my luck and started all over again. And to quote ignatus “This worksâ€
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I just tried this progression on double dozens and it seems to work.
I played it like this :
Level 1 â€" Flat bet 1 unit on 2 dozens. Until you reach 10 spins, you break even or you are up by 1 unit. Whichever is earlier. If you reach a point where you are up by 1 unit or break even, restart the progression from level 1 again.
Level 2 â€" You will reach this stage if you have bet for 10 spins are you in negative territory. Calculate the amount you need to reach positive territory again and devide that by 2. So if you are 5 units down you need 6 to reach a new high, play 3 units on 2 dozens. No need to recover in 1 spin, with double dozens you will have more winning spins.
Level 3.....................etc.......
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Did you divide the bet by 2? So if you need 10 units to recover , play 2 X 5 chips , no need to recover in 1 spin when playing double dozens.
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It is maybe interesting not to divide the bet the first 2 levels of this system. The bet size is still low and you recover almost every time. I just played 200 spins and never had to play the 3rd level.
Statistically you will win 2 out 3 bets and you only need 1 win to recover.
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How exactly do you play blocks of 10?
....here is my tweak to the original, maybe useful to some of you.
I allways play for blocks of 10.
After the first block is over I look at the result.
1 - Should I have a new high or even, I stick with 1 unit for the next block of 10 spins.
2 - should I have a minus on my high , I add the add amount missing to my high +1
And play those units till I have reached a new high, then reset to 1 unit till 1 reach the end of my block
I allways check the outcome of the 10 spin (end of block) an decide how many units I have to bet for a new high...
Hope that helps....
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The concept of this method on even chances is perfect.
This concept is very old,many old books illustrate it and this progression has been tested with a lot of modifications.
The conclusions are:
-it must be played in "group of seven spins" and not ten
-when you have to bet 50 units or more,you must divide your loss by 3 and go ahead with "group of seven spins" for each third ,until complete ricovery
-win goal obtained in 80/100 spins played on the three even chances at the same time and in "differentiel",total bkr 1500 units,win goal 20 units
-the strong point of this progression is that for every group of seven,you have 72% probability of W,28% of L.
Let this % work for you in middle/long term
This is one of the best progression so far.
With this outcomes:RRRRRRRRRRRRRRB,playing Black,you win 1 unit.
The deviation is not a problem for this progression.
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Seven spins have 128 patterns(93 W,35 L).
64 patterns win at the 1st spin,16 win at the 3rd spin,8 at the 5th,5 at the 7th= 93 units
14 lose 1 unit,14 lose 3 units,6 lose 5 units,1 lose seven units= 35 units
93/128 x 100 = 72,656%
It means that at each group of seven spins your probability of winning 1 unit(this is the goal for every group of seven) is 72,656%
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If I have well understood your post,I like your comments and way of playing.
The stop loss could be an optional.
You can play as you suggest but:you need a bkr equivalent at 5 times the table limit(in Europe almost in every Casino 3600 x 5=18000 â,¬) and I'm sure you guess why.
As I told at the beginning a lot of tests have been done in the past and even recently on groupes of 3,5,7,9,11,13.
7 is the best compromise.
The probability of losing 5 groupes of seven in a row is 0,13%!
This is a raison why a stop loss,may be higher than 50,could be interesting.
More you play "groupes of 7",more 72% of winning works for you,but also 1,35% of VIG works against you.
My first systeme is, as far my experience is concerned, the best way of playing this progression.
And don't forget to play it "in differentiel" for reducing the amount of bets.
Expert, may skip, as this repetitive and boring stuff,
for newbies only.
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This the second Hamburg, after the first one posted, that in order.
Let see how after a variance, there will be a math expectation, or the variance repeat back to back.
this not a way to bet, but to study how variance always happen,
alternately with 'within math expectation",
and u will see the variance happen 'back to back', too!
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xxx=variance start.
yyy=variance stop.
we look for 10absolute losses.
and see whether the following 10 to 20spins, will within math expectation.
Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
02.01.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
9.
1.
12.
27.
31 .
30.
7
4
13
10
8
33
8
16
28
14
12
15
16
7
21
10
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31
25
20
28
9
35
34
29
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35
32
6
19
7
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9
29
28
36
26
23
32
15
33
25
10
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1
35
31
6
9
32
1
21
24
8
24
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30
34
10
32
29
17
7
23
23
20
10
3
28
11
12
24
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25
14
2
28
21
5
33
26
34
22
35
9
9
14
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2
28
6
28
15
14
00
25
15
13
16
13
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33
34
24
17
34
16
26
29
1
10
31
7
3
21
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13
22
9
26
23
34
30
20
26
28
00
16
36
3
15
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36
18
36
20
3
18
22 xxxxx
24
32
28
22
32
11
33
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24
24
35
13
5
31
6
26 yyy=10 absolute losses.
18
8
8
34
3
23
27.
29
22
19
14
1
35
16
6
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2
12
15
9
17
13
2
15
16
34
25
5
35
2
00
19
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10
4
7
13
18
15
8
18
8
21
1
8
21
23
31
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33
4
3
17
35
27
14
18
24
7
4
22
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14
1
9
7
28
21
30
6
17
24
1
32
2
2
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7
26
35
15
28
17
1 xxx
30
9
23
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19
7
33
21
23
34
7
7 yyy=10 absolute losses.
20
23
4
11
33
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13
20
19
00
23
1
22
4
4
24
19
31
25
1
3
35
19 xxx
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21
12
19
7
12
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32
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31
24
7
32
20
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31
29
16
16
19
17
24
23
13
13
20
21
5
7
4
31
15
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12
9
00
4
20
36
20
10
3
15
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Anzahl Spiele: 302
H剈figkeiten:
0 5
1 11
2 7
3 8
4 9
5 4
6 6
7 15
8 8
9 11
10 8
11 3
12 7
13 10
14 7
15 11
16 9
17 7
18 6
19 10
20 10
21 10
22 7
23 12
24 12
25 6
26 7
27 3
28 11
29 6
30 5
31 10
32 9
33 8
34 9
35 10
36 5
Schwarz 150
Rot 147
Pair 142
Impair 155
Passe 150
Manque 147
1. Dutzend 97
2. Dutzend 111
3. Dutzend 89
1. COL 115
2. COL 90
3. COL 92
1- 3 26
4- 6 19
7- 9 34
10-12 18
13-15 28
16-18 22
19-21 30
22-24 31
25-27 16
28-30 22
31-33 27
34-36 24
1- 6 45
4- 9 53
7-12 52
10-15 46
13-18 50
16-21 52
19-24 61
22-27 47
25-30 38
28-33 49
31-36 51
Uhrzeit Spielbeginn:
15.01
Uhrzeit letzte Zahl/Spielende:
02.56
Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Sep 17, 10:13 PM 2015
How many spins have you tested your strategy on?
Thanks.
Come on P.A. change the habit of your lifetime & give the man a straight answer ;)
Darn it, no "sweeping it under the carpet" smiley >:(
O0
this the third from the same the record.
let see how 10 absolute losses, variance will be followed by spins that have hit , that 'within math expectation"
or worse, variance happen back to back.
xxx=variance start.
yyy=variance stop.
Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
03.01.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
9 xxxxx
18
19
14
21
7
14
12
1
14 yyyy=10 absolute losses.
20 xxxxx
8
15
13
3
26
28
29
29
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23
19
24
29
20
29
12
22
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7
11
5
34
27
33
19
28
18
30
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21
00
12
11
29
9
23
18
33
28
4
6
00
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13
26
18
31
23
16
32
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9
33
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18
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30
36
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29
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27
30
31
20
12
19
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34
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22
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20
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12
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1
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11
33
5
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33
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31
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28
6
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21
13
25xxxxx
23
19
2
10
12
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9
32
13
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30
1
21
21 yyy=10 absolute losses.
33 xxx
28
22
22
28
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36
4
20
3
35
29
00
23
6
14
35
13
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27 yyy=10 absolute losses
14
10
33
33
4
28
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26
19
15
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34
9
16
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25
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5
15
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30
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20
29
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31 yyy=10
29
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35
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33
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33
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24
13
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34
15
17
29
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32
10
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32
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21
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21 xxx
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Anzahl Spiele: 338
H剈figkeiten:
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1 13
2 8
3 4
4 8
5 11
6 9
7 5
8 8
9 9
10 5
11 4
12 14
13 12
14 7
15 8
16 6
17 9
18 8
19 11
20 11
21 9
22 11
23 10
24 5
25 9
26 10
27 12
28 10
29 15
30 12
31 8
32 6
33 13
34 12
35 9
36 10
Schwarz 163
Rot 168
Pair 160
Impair 171
Passe 183
Manque 148
1. Dutzend 98
2. Dutzend 107
3. Dutzend 126
1. COL 110
2. COL 108
3. COL 113
1- 3 25
4- 6 28
7- 9 22
10-12 23
13-15 27
16-18 23
19-21 31
22-24 26
25-27 31
28-30 37
31-33 27
34-36 31
1- 6 53
4- 9 50
7-12 45
10-15 50
13-18 50
16-21 54
19-24 57
22-27 57
25-30 68
28-33 64
31-36 58
Uhrzeit Spielbeginn:
15.00
Uhrzeit letzte Zahl/Spielende:
03.02
Expert may skip this as it is repetitive and boring,
for newbies only.
====================
Ladies, and Gentlemen.
As u see, Variance just mean LONG LOSSES...
whether losses-in-row,
or many losses with a few wins, in between.
What u all must understand is,
We cant PREDICT, when variance will happen,..or end!
And, we cant CONTROL the variance.
we cant dictate what it should do...
we can only WAIT, for variance to happened,
and when variance happened,
we watch closely to see when the variance end..
How we know the variance has ended?
Simply the win/lose ratio, in short span,
suddenly become almost 50/50.
say, u see 16losses with only 3hit, then the next 10spins, have 5w, and 5lose,
that mean they had balanced, within math expectation.
We can MEASURE variance...!
and we could see that after a Variance end,
the math expectation, happened,
and then variance happen again, thus alternately...
with math expectation...
The problem, is we dont know, when the variance will end,
or when the math expectation, will start...
say, 69red/200spins, is a variance..
if we wait for 69/200...we may not see one in our lifetime!!!
30+/100, also a variance...and we also may not see one in our life time!!!
then 50spins, or less, also a variance by itself, as I say, we can measure variance...with a parameter.
and worst, the variance, in a certain, parameter will happen back, to back.
eg.
the 69/200, is the 30+/100variance, that happen back to back..
then again, u may not see it repeat again , in your life time!!!
variance and math expectation, in, out..alternatively...
ANY progression,
could only win, when spins produce hits,
that within math expectation!
Variance will cause even the mildest progression, to be deadly!
WilliamHill Diamond Roulette Live wheel
killer seqence
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@Ozon
What was/is your bet selection?
After 12 L (High) I start betting on Low, using safe breaks after 4 Loses I wait for the virtual win, progression is Labby with -60 stoplose, and I reach stoplose.
Ladies, and Gentlemen,
After many preaches, it dawn to me that only a handful people get it and eureka, but there still newbies cant understand what I try to convey...
The fault is mine as u see, my pathetic English, and communication skill far from satisfactory.
After criss-cross preaching , many newbies balked and even scold me for my cusy way and boring blabbering...Please pardon..
======
OK..let me put it this way..hope many will eureka after reading this.
1]bet selection that consistently hit around edge, not wild swinging.
2]mild progression
3]variance avoidance
4]cut loss.
["oh dear, not again"...I can heard some lament...hahahaaaw]
====================
let me put t this way.
Say , Tom has a strategy,
and here our conversation as he want to build a Hg out of his favorite Bet selection.
=====================================
TOM: I need to build a HG, based on your principle!
Me:What your Bet selection then.
TOM:Follow the LAST,
bet EC, RED and BLACK, I bet Black when Black hit last, so on..
Me:Ok, the variance will hit, but nevertheless, what the worst LOSING SEQUENCES that will probably hit?
TOM:Oh!...dear! The worst , is when it chop, chop,chop, then I will LOSE for nearly TEN times, err..sometime more..then I lose my Bank roll!
Me: Then , since u know the VARIANCE risks, is chopping for around TEN time, that the worst sequences, that always hit...!
TOM:What I need to do...?That sequences always kill me.
Me: Simple, just wait for that sequences to come, and go, and then u start bet.
TOM: What!? Just that simple? Just wait for that sequences that kill me, and bet after it go away.
Me:U will see that variance, as in your bet selection, that always come and go
if u make a chart, u will see, that chop variance will ALTERNATE with the profitable sequences!
TOM: Yes! I had notice that after a long profitable spins then suddenly, the DEADLY long sequences of chop will DEFINITELY come!!!
Me: Then , why not u, dont do anything, wait for the deadly sequences to come, let it go and then bet the , as u said 'long profitable sequences'?!
TOM:EUREKA!!! I understand now!!!
Me:Oops! Not so soon!
TOM: Why not! Isnt that the way u espoused?!
Me:U need to understand , we cant predict, or control the CHOP variance, as in your 'follow the last' bet selection. The Variance will hit again, when u start your bet.
TOM: Oh!!! Yes, I noticed that...too, sometime the chop will go on for long,...I mean , after a chopping that stop, then another chopping start again, then what I need to do.???
Me:That the risk we need to face...and the truth is, there sometime, we just cant beat the IMPOSSIBLE, and need to cut loss!
TOM:But cut loss will cause HUGE LOSSES?!
Me: Thus u need very mild progression..and progression control that will cause u to lose a cut loss, session sum, that easily recovered by another few session winning...
TOM:Oh! My aggressive progression, caused my BR quickly depleted...
Me:and cant recouped, when u win the next few session...
TOM:So basically, I need to watch the VARIANCE..wait for them to happen!
BUT that LONGGGG wait?!!!
Me: Are u rushing in to LOSE money, or patiently wait to make money?
Even winning ONE unit a DAY, is very DIFFICULT, or IMPOSSIBLE for majority of people...
TOM:So after variance, come,then I see profitable sequences come, and I quickly fish out a few units and get out..heheheee!
Me:hahahaw, now u get it! But not that simple..
TOM:Thus I just need very simple and mild progression, that if I lose, when the variance come 'back-to-back', I just lose, not very much!?
And recoup, in next few profitable session?!
Me:U get it
TOM:So the most IMPORTANT , is to AVOID the VARIANCE!
Me:It the variance that kills the best bet selection, and the best progression!
TOM:What about he edge,then? Didnt he math boys....
Me: The EDGE, is the VARIANCE itself, repeated many time, 'tightly-packed',in short time sequences, thats why u see LONG profitable sequences...
TOM:EUREKA!
Me:hehehee..not that easy TOM, there still some aspect u need to study...hehehee
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do u eureka now, as u understand the basis of my principle?
here a suggestion,
an experiment to see, how well, we could avoid, variance.
=============================
ask three persons, to throw a coin.[each person has a coin]
note down, the results, in order, of 1st, 2nd, 3rd person,
and viola, u will see the variance, will not long, and the winning will CLUSTERED, with huge win, even with flatbet.
Thus the worst is, ALL three produce VARIANCE, at the same time!..which is HIGHLY unlikely.
This also about same if we play B/R, O/E,H/L, at the same time , with a trigger.
Each bet selection, will produce variance, no doubt. But the variance will diluted , off set by the other two bet selection.
Thus when a clustered win, happen, u win with flat bet.
And if by chance. when the three have the VARIANCE together, u get killed...hehehe,
Thus a variance avoidance , a must, in whatever strategy u had.
Hi PA
You showed an example of FTL betting with "Tom".
I saw 22 chops in a row last night. It could even be higher - don't know what the longest record is?
How long do you recommend "Tom" should wait then before starting to bet? Until a series form?
All I'm saying is there could be a very L-O-N-G wait.
A.
But what if you track 3 EC at the same time? Then the have more options in betting. Maybe one is chopping and the others or not.
Quote
This also about same if we play B/R, O/E,H/L, at the same time , *****with a trigger*****.
Each bet selection, will produce variance, no doubt. But the variance will diluted , off set by the other two bet selection.
Thus when a clustered win, happen, u win with flat bet.
And if by chance. when the three have the VARIANCE together, u get killed...hehehe,
Thus a variance avoidance , a must, in whatever strategy u had.
This is nothing new...
What kind of *****trigger***** you exactly proposing??
A
@Ozon. .. i got -4 on that example. And stay away from WH
And we're talking about a MILD progression. You think Labby is mild?
And if you waited the vwin .....
And a trigger.....
Well that wouldn't lost a single unit isn't it?
When the storm is over we not run outside. First we look if it's safe b4 we go. ;)
Hi Atlantis, Ray,
Thanks for your reply.
The "Tom", is just an illustration, on how u 'see' and plan, the betting strategy...,
how to wait for variance avoiding.
I dont know how long a B&M record, for FTL, maybe someone could tell.
Btw FTL, not a stable bet selection...it will swing widely,
it may exciting as u will see, many streaks of variance losses,
and then, 'within math' sequences.
and bet accordingly .
If u wait for 10absolute losses, and then bet, then 22 losses, will cause a cut loss session.
But then if u apply,
'variance acvoidance=stop-at-4streaks-loss',
then u only lose 4bet...
Every bet selection, will have a streaks that IMPOSSIBLE to bet, that a hurtful truth, and thus 'cut-loss' strategy...
The "track 3 EC at the same time",
espoused by Bleep,[trigger=two hit, bet for third hit, series bet],
or maybe Priyanka,
are quite interesting, maybe u could do some testing programme to see how the winning streaks,and variance streaks hit.
Thanks.
Im starting to like the swings...as i said...what goes down goes back up in roulette....... :thumbsup: ALWAYS
Quote from: P.A on Sep 19, 04:07 AM 2015
Hi Atlantis, Ray,
Thanks for your reply.
The "Tom", is just an illustration, on how u 'see' and plan, the betting strategy...,
how to wait for variance avoiding.
I dont know how long a B&M record, for FTL, maybe someone could tell.
Btw FTL, not a stable bet selection...it will swing widely,
it may exciting as u will see, many streaks of variance losses,
and then, 'within math' sequences.
and bet accordingly .
If u wait for 10absolute losses, and then bet, then 22 losses, will cause a cut loss session.
But then if u apply,
'variance acvoidance=stop-at-4streaks-loss',
then u only lose 4bet...
Every bet selection, will have a streaks that IMPOSSIBLE to bet, that a hurtful truth, and thus 'cut-loss' strategy...
The "track 3 EC at the same time",
espoused by Bleep,[trigger=two hit, bet for third hit, series bet],
or maybe Priyanka,
are quite interesting, maybe u could do some testing programme to see how the winning streaks,and variance streaks hit.
Thanks.
I see. Ok - thanks.
Quote
The "track 3 EC at the same time",
espoused by Bleep,[trigger=two hit, bet for third hit, series bet],
or maybe Priyanka,
are quite interesting, maybe u could do some testing programme to see how the winning streaks,and variance streaks hit.
Thanks.
I have an idea bout series bet with all 3 EC which I'll test later. Yes- might be interesting to try that.
Regards,
A.
Quote from: denzie on Sep 19, 04:10 AM 2015
Im starting to like the swings...as i said...what goes down goes back up in roulette....... :thumbsup: ALWAYS
Hi denzie,
No back to back shockers then yet, denzie? ;) ;) :thumbsup:
A.
Hi Atlantis,
That '22streaks', of variance ,
is very important....[most headache] ISSUE!
at last u 'see' this problem...
[Wait if anyone will comment of that.]
It is 2 short variance 'back-to-back'!!!
And of course, they will kill u...if u jump in.
Some members know about this,
and they say nothing...[for why should they?]
Think hard.,,and u may reduce the risk,
as we cant predict variance, but just watch it come and go...
I see 'it' too.
Anyone who has played this game knows about 'back to back' losses due to extreme variance.
Variety of bet selection could be the answer! !? :xd:
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 04:27 AM 2015
Hi denzie,
No back to back shockers then yet, denzie? ;) ;) :thumbsup:
A.
For sure I've got them...but those are small losses ^^
RayManz make an excellent graph chart, in another thread..Hope he dont mind I paste them here, and hope he could explain to us, about his finding . Thanks RayManz.
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Ofcource it doesn't. Every EC has his own variance or fluctuation.
I made three graphs of the same bet.
1. RB
2. HL
3. OE
The graph is made on bets. I just track per W or L.
Per 10 bets i check how many W's i have and put that in the graph. So every new bet is a new ratio of W and L of the last 10 bets. This way you can see the variance easy.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 19, 05:34 AM 2015
RayManz make an excellent graph chart, in another thread..Hope he dont mind I paste them here, and hope he could explain to us, about his finding . Thanks RayManz.
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Ofcource it doesn't. Every EC has his own variance or fluctuation.
I made three graphs of the same bet.
1. RB
2. HL
3. OE
The graph is made on bets. I just track per W or L.
Per 10 bets i check how many W's i have and put that in the graph. So every new bet is a new ratio of W and L of the last 10 bets. This way you can see the variance easy.
Nothing to explain here. The graphs speaks for itself. You can see the W's go up and go down. Some moments you have 9 out of 10 bets a WIN. Sometime you only have one WIN in 10 BETS.
You just start betting when a EC goes up and stop when it goes down. Yes you will lose, yes you will miss some action. But you will also miss lots of losing. With the right progression this could be a winner.
Thanks RAY!!!
That chart is what I try to do, but, since I have little schooling in computer, I cant do it.
PLEASE do a 20spins, 30spins, 50spins.
[very important!!!!!!]
we could see better.
THANKS, Thanks, thanks!!millions THANKS!! RAY...
Quote from: P.A on Sep 19, 05:46 AM 2015
Thanks RAY!!!
That chart is what I try to do, but, since I have little schooling in computer, I cant do it.
PLEASE do a 20spins, 30spins, 50spins.
[very important!!!!!!]
we could see better.
THANKS, Thanks, thanks!!millions THANKS!! RAY...
I dont see why spins are importent. Maybe i should have stated i used the betting method of bleep.
So wait for 2 RED and then BET RED.
If i would graph the spins you would see alot of no action. It not about the spins but about the bets. Atleast that's my opinion.
With that CHARTS ALONE,
all the expert will EUREKA!EUREKA!EUREKA!
but dont run out naked like Archimedes...hahahaww
as the Chinese say,
A picture worth a thousand words...
and borrowing this phrase..
"A CHART WORTH A MILLION POSTINGS!!!"
seems that I nearing concluding my preach, after all...
That charts, nearly concluded my preach here,
to impart knowledge.
as my English pathetic...hehehee,
and after many acrimonious, enmity, and scoldings by members.
I nearly give up, and then this chart..
Phew...
save by a chart...hehehee...
I think, [no, not I think],
it definitely
summed up, what I want to say, after all this while...
thanks RayManZ
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 19, 05:48 AM 2015
I dont see why spins are importent. Maybe i should have stated i used the betting method of bleep.
So wait for 2 RED and then BET RED.
If i would graph the spins you would see alot of no action. It not about the spins but about the bets. Atleast that's my opinion.
Do u mean that the graph will be boring small up and down wave???
Then PLEASE post them here, so we could see, and EUREKA!
Quote from: P.A on Sep 19, 05:58 AM 2015
With that CHARTS ALONE,
all the expert will EUREKA!EUREKA!EUREKA!
but dont run out naked like Archimedes...hahahaww
as the Chinese say,
A picture worth a thousand words...
and borrowing this phrase..
"A CHART WORTH A MILLION POSTINGS!!!"
seems that I nearing concluding my preach, after all...
That charts, nearly concluded my preach here,
to impart knowledge.
as my English pathetic...hehehee,
and after many acrimonious, enmity, and scoldings by members.
I nearly give up, and then this chart..
Phew...
save by a chart...hehehee...
I think, [no, not I think],
it definitely
summed up, what I want to say, after all this while...
thanks RayManZ
Well i hope you don't make teaching and preaching your profession because, well, you suck at it ;). I took me quite some time befor i understood what you meant.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 19, 06:02 AM 2015
Do u mean that the graph will be boring small up and down wave???
Then PLEASE post them here, so we could see, and EUREKA!
It will be longer because you will have alot of the same results.
Also i already deleted and recoded the graphs. I'm not gonna spend more time on it. It's time for a new project.
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 19, 06:05 AM 2015
Well i hope you don't make teaching and preaching your profession because, well, you suck at it ;). I took me quite some time befor i understood what you meant.
HAHAHAHAHAWW..I wont, I assured u...
HAHAHAHAHAWW oops! sorry..cant stop laughing.
HEHEHEE...
Thanks Ray!
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Please post the 20,30,50chart, and the BLEEP chart!
very very important!!!
Thanks a million thanks!!!
If they don't understand by now...they never will. Again : what goes up most come down and in roulette it goes back up.
Now...knowing that and let's say there's a reliable fast spin rng casino....how would we play that ?????? It doesn't get any easier then this.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 19, 06:13 AM 2015
HAHAHAHAHAWW..I wont, I assured u...
HAHAHAHAHAWW oops! sorry..cant stop laughing.
HEHEHEE...
Thanks Ray!
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Please post the 20,30,50chart, and the BLEEP chart!
very very important!!!
Thanks a million thanks!!!
Sorry but i'm not gonna make graphs for that. It's alot of work to build. I already deleted the code i used for the other graphs. (small mistake).
Spend some time to build my own personal tracker for a dozen and columns bet. (I like those odds better, slower progression)
Interesting Ray.......
....hit a bump in the road near the 20mph school gates zone did it?
Is it alternative betting Ray?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 19, 10:35 AM 2015
Interesting Ray.......
....hit a bump in the road near the 20mph school gates zone did it?
Is it alternative betting Ray?
I'm not sure what you are asking or saying. Sorry.
@RayManZ
At spin 52 on dozens, and spin 56 on columns the graph dips to almost base line (im assuming the X-X axis is bet amount or BR, and y-y is number of spins) ?
Are you betting on dozens singularly and waiting for an opportunity and then betting colums separately?
Dozens bet
Columns bet
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 19, 11:33 AM 2015
@RayManZ
At spin 52 on dozens, and spin 56 on columns the graph dips to almost base line (im assuming the X-X axis is bet amount or BR, and y-y is number of spins) ?
Are you betting on dozens singularly and waiting for an opportunity and then betting colums separately?
Dozens bet
Columns bet
vertical = % of W's in 10 Bets
horizontal = spins
X is not my bankroll
I start betting when % is 40% or more AND going up.
:thumbsup:
Thanks for the reply. ......got ya now.
Thanks RayManZ,
for his CHARTS.
Maybe Ray, could u please post more , your
"personal tracker for a dozen and columns bet."
in longer say, 100,500, or 1000spins, so that members,
could see how the variance hit,alternately with math ecpectation!!!
========================
Gentlemen.
as U see,
we cant predict, and we cant control variance, but we can watch how the up and down of win/spin set, and act accordingly.
It is like the futures-traders, look at the chart, and FOLLOW THE TREND, as the they CANT predict, where the price will go...
BUT...it is slightly different in gambling, as SUDDEN variance could happen anytime, and we see the line in the chart, move down swiftly, remain there and then move up again.
Thus we could FOLLOW the RISK that the math expectation, will prevail...!!!
Now, I believed, many or even, ALL the expert here already EUREKA, when they READ, the chart posted by RAYMANZ!!!
and now the expert finally UNDERSTAND,
and see from differnt angle now,
HOW mild progression, and MATH EXPECTATION, works best.
and understand now,
why , variance avoidance, most important,
and why,
u do not need special-progression,
and why,
MATH expectation, matter most!
Thanks
BELOW NUMBERS WITH EC.
I PASTE HERE FOR U TEST, PLAY...
Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
01.01.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
17 =LOB
3=LOR
18=LER
35 =HOB
24 =HEB
30=HER
31 =HOB
25=HOR
30=HER
16=LER
27=HOR
31 =HOB
32=HER
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18=LER
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19=HOR
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17 =LOB
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30=HER
34=HER
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18=LER
27=HOR
36=HER
36=HER
17 =LOB
33 =HOB
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24 =HEB
29 =HOB
19=HOR
26 =HEB
00
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10 =LEB
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35 =HOB
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30=HER
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33 =HOB
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29 =HOB
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31 =HOB
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18=LER
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1=LOR
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19=HOR
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27=HOR
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33 =HOB
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34=HER
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12=LER
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2 =LEB
15 =LOB
35 =HOB
31 =HOB
1=LOR
8 =LEB
10 =LEB
29 =HOB
8 =LEB
25=HOR
21=HOR
19=HOR
32=HER
6 =LEB
32=HER
33 =HOB
23=HOR
19=HOR
19=HOR
00
3=LOR
20 =HEB
21=HOR
15 =LOB
2 =LEB
00
30=HER
36=HER
12=LER
27=HOR
16=LER
7=LOR
6 =LEB
26 =HEB
34=HER
30=HER
20 =HEB
8 =LEB
18=LER
14=LER
23=HOR
18=LER
3=LOR
25=HOR
29 =HOB
18=LER
31 =HOB
34=HER
4 =LEB
25=HOR
27=HOR
36=HER
2 =LEB
====
Anzahl Spiele: 340
BELOW THE SAME, BUT WITH SERIES BET,
BET 'TWO' WILL BE 'THREE' series, EC bet.
[there will some mistake, as I do not double check.]
Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
01.01.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
=--L
17 =LOB
3=LOR
18=LER=WL-
35 =HOB=--L
24 =HEB
30=HER=W-W
31 =HOB=-L
25=HOR.
30=HER =-L
16=LER=--W
27=HOR=-L
31 =HOB
32=HER=WL
15 =LOB
18=LER
3=LOR=W
11 =LOB=--L
19=HOR=-W
19=HOR
31 =HOB=WL
20 =HEB
20 =HEB=--W
5=LOR=-L
20 =HEB
26 =HEB
3=LOR=LLL
31 =HOB
11 =LOB=-W
13 =LOB=--W
17 =LOB=W
30=HER
30=HER
34=HER=WWW
14=LER
7=LOR
19=HOR=L
24 =HEB=-L
10 =LEB=L
30=HER=-WL
18=LER
27=HOR=--W
36=HER
36=HER=W
17 =LOB=-W
33 =HOB
7=LOR=-WL
24 =HEB=-L
29 =HOB
19=HOR=W-L
26 =HEB=-L
00
26 =HEB
32=HER
3=LOR=LL
35 =HOB
13 =LOB=-W
29 =HOB=--W
3=LOR
25=HOR
6 =LEB=--L
31 =HOB
9=LOR=--L
16=LER=-W
4 =LEB=W
13 =LOB=-L
20 =HEB=--W
5=LOR
26 =HEB
13 =LOB
33 =HOB=--W
16=LER=-LW
24 =HEB
12=LER=-W
34=HER
12=LER=-WW
20 = HEB
1 =LOR
10 =LEB
10 =LEB=W
30 =HER=-WL
3 =LOR
00 =--L
22 =HEB
24 =HEB
35 =HOB=WLW
25=HOR
13 =LOB=-W
17 =LOB
9=LOR=W-L
2 =LEB
17 =LOB
35 =HOB=--W
35 =HOB=-W
26 =HEB=W
7=LOR
12=LER
35 =HOB=L-L
1=LOR
12=LER=-L
1=LOR=W-W
16=LER
31 =HOB
10 =LEB
29 =HOB=--W
3=LOR
17 =LOB=-W
27=HOR=L
28 =HEB
35 =HOB=W
36=HER
14=LER
22 =HEB=-WL
34=HER
20 =HEB=WW
32=HER
11 =LOB
22 =HEB
25=HOR=--L
2 =LEB =L
4 =LEB
6 =LEB =WWW
33 =HOB
10 =LEB
18=LER
12=LER=WW
3=LOR=--W
7=LOR
36=HER=-LW
34=HER
8 =LEB=LWL
35 =HOB
36=HER=--L
11 =LOB=L
11 =LOB
12=LER=WLL
16=LER
19=HOR=-LW
32=HER
31 =HOB=W-L
28 =HEB
1=LOR=--L
29 =HOB
36=HER=-L
30=HER=W
2 =LEB=-WL
26 =HEB
33 =HOB=--W
32=HER=W
15 =LOB
17 =LOB
22 =HEB=LLW
23=HOR
8 =LEB=L
5=LOR
5=LOR=W
20 =HEB=-LL
31 =HOB
00 =L-L
15 =LOB
34=HER
7=LOR
32=HER=--W
6 =LEB=--L
26 =HEB=-W
8 =LEB=--W
33 =HOB
24 =HEB
12=LER=L-L
3=LOR=-L
2 =LEB=W-L
10 =LEB
31 =HOB=-LW
20 =HEB
34=HER=W
26 =HEB=-W
8 =LEB
33 =HOB=--W
26 =HEB
29 =HOB=W
29 =HOB
18=LER=-L
4 =LEB
9=LOR=WL
1=LOR
33 =HOB=-WL
31 =HOB
3=LOR=L-L
10 =LEB
18=LER=W
18=LER=-W
27=HOR=--W
25=HOR
15 =LOB=LW-
20 =HEB
13 =LOB=--W
16=LER
28 =HEB=L
2 =LEB=-W
00 =-LL
25=HOR
26 =HEB
20 =HEB=W
3=LOR=-LL
31 =HOB
17 =LOB=-W
3=LOR=--L
12=LER=W
36=HER=--W
13 =LOB=-L-
15 =LOB
26 =HEB=LLW
18=LER
9=LOR=-L
26 =HEB=L-L
23=HOR
27=HOR=W
11 =LOB=-WL
36=HER
16=LER
1=LOR=-LW
24 =HEB=L
7=LOR
5=LOR
00 =LLL
1=LOR
00
24 =HEB
28 =HEB
34=HER=WWL
22 =HEB
27=HOR
16=LER
33 =HOB=--L
19=HOR
15 =LOB=LW-
34=HER
29 =HOB
15 =LOB=L
18=LER=-LL
10 =LEB=W
11 =LOB=-L
18=LER=--L
24 =HEB
19=HOR=-L
28 =HEB=W
23=HOR
29 =HOB
27=HOR=-W
20 =HEB
5=LOR
31 =HOB
22 =HEB=-L
1=LOR=L-L
28 =HEB
33 =HOB
9=LOR=L-L
27=HOR=-W
8 =LEB=--L
19=HOR
26 =HEB
23=HOR=W
4 =LEB
34=HER
14=LER=-W
36=HER=--W
22 =HEB
34=HER=W
14=LER
12=LER=--W
21=HOR=L
6 =LEB
25=HOR
3=LOR
12=LER=-LW
5=LOR=W--
25=HOR
13 =LOB=-W
31 =HOB
35 =HOB=--W
24 =HEB=W
30=HER
27=HOR=-L
31 =HOB=--L
26 =HEB=-L
23=HOR=--L
7=LOR
4 =LEB =-LL
2 =LEB=W
15 =LOB=-LW
35 =HOB
31 =HOB=-W
1=LOR=L
8 =LEB
10 =LEB=W
29 =HOB=-LW
8 =LEB
25=HOR
21=HOR
19=HOR=WWW
32=HER
6 =LEB
32=HER=-W
33 =HOB
23=HOR=W
19=HOR=-W
19=HOR=--W
00
3=LOR
20 =HEB
21=HOR
15 =LOB=L
2 =LEB=-L
00 XXX=L-L
30=HER=L
36=HER=-W
12=LER=LWW
27=HOR
16=LER
7=LOR
6 =LEB=W
26 =HEB
34=HER=-WL
30=HER=W
20 =HEB=--L
8 =LEB
18=LER
14=LER=W
23=HOR=--W
18=LER
3=LOR
25=HOR=L
29 =HOB=-W
18=LER=LL
31 =HOB
34=HER
4 =LEB=L
25=HOR=-L
27=HOR
36=HER=WLW
2 =LEB=
====
Anzahl Spiele: 340
for expert only,
newbies will not understand.
=================
[Gentlemen, the result below, not double check.]
U will see 'clustered win', in the course of the bet spins taken.
Thus to win, risk, after 50% virtual bet spins, that losing,
or risk to bet all with some 50% spins ,/50% spins progression, till win.======
thanks.
=============================
W
L-
L
W-W
L
L
W
L
WL
W
L
W
WL
W
L
LLL
W
W
W
WWW
L
L
=L
WL
W
=W
W
WL
L
=W-L
L
LL
W
W
L
L
W
=W
L
W
W
LW
W
WW
=W
WL
--L
WLW
W
W-L
W
W
=W
L-L
L
=W-W [42th win& 33th lose]
W
W
=L
=W
WL
WW
L
=L
=WWW
=WW
W
LW
=LWL
L
=WLL
LW
=W-L[59]
L
L
=W
WL
W
=W
=LLW
=L
=W
LL
=L-L
W
L
W
W
=L-L
L
=W-L
LW
=W
W
W
=W
=-L
=WL
=-WL
=L-L
=W
W
W
=LW-
W
L
W
LL
=W
LL
W
L
=W
W
L-
=LLW
L
=L-L
=W
WL
LW
L
LLL
WWL
L
=LW-
=L
LL
=W
L
L
L
=W
W
L
L-L
L-L
W
L
=W
W
W[100th win, 100th lose]
=W
W
=L
LW
=W--
W
W
=W
=-L
L
L
L
LL
=W
LW
=-W
=L
W
LW
=WWW
W
=W
=-W
W
L
=-L
=L-L
=L
=-W
LWW
W
WL
=W
L
W
W
=L
W
=LL
L
L
=WLW[130th win+124th lose]
for expert only.
=======================
just bet black, and red...after 2, bet wont into 3series.
17 =LOB
3=LOR
18=LER
35 =HOB=Lose1
24 =HEB
30=HER=Lose2
31 =HOB
25=HOR
30=HER
16=LER=W1
27=HOR
31 =HOB
32=HER
15 =LOB
18=LER
3=LOR
11 =LOB=Lose3
19=HOR
19=HOR
31 =HOB=Lose4
20 =HEB
20 =HEB=W2
5=LOR
20 =HEB
26 =HEB
3=LOR=Lose5
31 =HOB
11 =LOB
13 =LOB=W3
17 =LOB
30=HER
30=HER
34=HER=W4
14=LER
7=LOR
19=HOR
24 =HEB
10 =LEB
30=HER=Lose6
18=LER
27=HOR=W5
36=HER
36=HER
17 =LOB
33 =HOB
7=LOR=Lose7
24 =HEB
29 =HOB
19=HOR=Lose8
26 =HEB
00
26 =HEB
32=HER
3=LOR
35 =HOB=Lose9
13 =LOB
29 =HOB=W6
3 =LOR
25=HOR
6 =LEB=Lose10
31 =HOB
9 =LOR=Lose11
16=LER
4 =LEB=Lose12
13 =LOB
20 =HEB=W7
5 =LOR
26 =HEB
13 =LOB
33 =HOB=W8
16=LER
24 =HEB
12=LER
34=HER
12=LER=W9
20 =HEB
1 =LOR
10 =LEB
10 =LEB
30=HER=Lose13
3 =LOR
00 =Lose14
22 =HEB
24 =HEB
35 =HOB=W10
25=HOR
13 =LOB
17 =LOB
9=LOR=Lose15
2 =LEB
17 =LOB
35 =HOB=W11
35 =HOB
26 =HEB
7=LOR
12=LER
35 =HOB=Lose16
1=LOR
12=LER
1=LOR=W12
16=LER
31 =HOB
10 =LEB
29 =HOB=W13
3=LOR
17 =LOB
27=HOR
28 =HEB
35 =HOB
36=HER=Lose17
14=LER
22 =HEB
34=HER
20 =HEB
32=HER
11 =LOB
22 =HEB
25=HOR=Lose18
2 =LEB
4 =LEB
6 =LEB=W14
33 =HOB
10 =LEB
18=LER
12=LER
3=LOR=W15
7=LOR
36=HER
34=HER
8 =LEB
35 =HOB
36=HER=Lose19
11 =LOB
11 =LOB
12=LER=Lose20
16=LER
19=HOR=W16
32=HER
31 =HOB
28 =HEB
1=LOR=Lose21
29 =HOB
36=HER
30=HER
2 =LEB=Lose22
26 =HEB
33 =HOB=W17
32=HER
15 =LOB
17 =LOB
22 =HEB=W18
23=HOR
8 =LEB
5=LOR
5=LOR
20 =HEB=Lose23
31 =HOB
00 =lose24
15 =LOB
34=HER
7=LOR
32=HER=W19
6 =LEB
26 =HEB
8 =LEB=W20
33 =HOB
24 =HEB
12=LER
3=LOR
2 =LEB=Lose25
10 =LEB
31 =HOB=W21
20 =HEB
34=HER
26 =HEB
8 =LEB
33 =HOB=W22
26 =HEB
29 =HOB
29 =HOB
18=LER
4 =LEB
9=LOR
1=LOR
33 =HOB=Lose26
31 =HOB
3=LOR
10 =LEB
18=LER
18=LER
27=HOR=W23
25=HOR
15 =LOB
20 =HEB
13 =LOB=W24
16=LER
28 =HEB
2 =LEB
00 ==lose27
25=HOR
26 =HEB
20 =HEB
3=LOR=Lose28
31 =HOB
17 =LOB
3=LOR=Lose29
12=LER
36=HER=W25
13 =LOB
15 =LOB
26 =HEB=W26
18=LER
9=LOR
26 =HEB=Lose30
23=HOR
27=HOR
11 =LOB=Lose31
36=HER
16=LER
1=LOR=W27
24 =HEB
7=LOR
5=LOR
00 =lose32
1=LOR
00
24 =HEB
28 =HEB
34=HER=Lose33
22 =HEB
27=HOR
16=LER
33 =HOB=Lose34
19=HOR
15 =LOB
34=HER
29 =HOB
15 =LOB
18=LER=Lose35
10 =LEB
11 =LOB
18=LER=Lose36
24 =HEB
19=HOR
28 =HEB
23=HOR
29 =HOB
27=HOR
20 =HEB
5=LOR
31 =HOB
22 =HEB
1=LOR=Lose37
28 =HEB
33 =HOB
9=LOR=Lose38
27=HOR
8 =LEB=Lose39
19=HOR
26 =HEB
23=HOR
4 =LEB
34=HER
14=LER
36=HER=W28
22 =HEB
34=HER
14=LER
12=LER=W29
21=HOR
6 =LEB
25=HOR
3=LOR
12=LER=W30
5=LOR
25=HOR
13 =LOB
31 =HOB
35 =HOB=W31
24 =HEB
30=HER
27=HOR
31 =HOB=Lose40
26 =HEB
23=HOR
7=LOR
4 =LEB=Lose41
2 =LEB
15 =LOB=W32
35 =HOB
31 =HOB
1=LOR
8 =LEB
10 =LEB
29 =HOB=W33
8 =LEB
25=HOR
21=HOR
19=HOR=W34
32=HER
6 =LEB
32=HER
33 =HOB
23=HOR
19=HOR
19=HOR=W35
00
3=LOR
20 =HEB
21=HOR
15 =LOB
2 =LEB
00 =lose42
30=HER
36=HER
12=LER=W36
27=HOR
16=LER
7=LOR
6 =LEB
26 =HEB
34=HER=Lose43
30=HER
20 =HEB
8 =LEB
18=LER=Lose44
14=LER
23=HOR=W37
18=LER
3=LOR
25=HOR=W38
29 =HOB
18=LER
31 =HOB
34=HER
4 =LEB
25=HOR
27=HOR
36=HER=W 39
2 =LEB
====
Anzahl Spiele: 340
Quote from: P.A on Sep 19, 05:34 AM 2015
Ofcource it doesn't. Every EC has his own variance or fluctuation.
I made three graphs of the same bet.
1. RB
2. HL
3. OE
The graph is made on bets. I just track per W or L.
Per 10 bets i check how many W's i have and put that in the graph. So every new bet is a new ratio of W and L of the last 10 bets. This way you can see the variance easy.
Hi RayManZ,
With Respect,
U say,...
1. RB
2. HL
3. OE
The graph is made on bets. I just track per W or L.
=============
ask u a question..that graph...show..
1. RB
=u bet [only bet red], or,[only bet black], or [bet red, and also bet black, together]???
----------------------------------
2. HL
3. OE
-------------
and the dozen graph,
u bet ONLY a single DOZEN, ???
Thanks in advance.
for expert only.
=======================
just bet black, and red...after 2, bet wont into 3series.
and see how w/l ratios in 10bet increment.
17 =LOB
3=LOR
18=LER
35 =HOB=Lose1
24 =HEB
30=HER=Lose2
31 =HOB
25=HOR
30=HER
16=LER=W1
27=HOR
31 =HOB
32=HER
15 =LOB
18=LER
3=LOR
11 =LOB=Lose3
19=HOR
19=HOR
31 =HOB=Lose4
20 =HEB
20 =HEB=W2
5=LOR
20 =HEB
26 =HEB
3=LOR=Lose5
31 =HOB
11 =LOB
13 =LOB=W3
17 =LOB
30=HER
30=HER
34=HER=W4
14=LER
7=LOR
19=HOR
24 =HEB
10 =LEB
30=HER=Lose6
================w/L=4/6=========
===================================
18=LER
27=HOR=W5
36=HER
36=HER
17 =LOB
33 =HOB
7=LOR=Lose7
24 =HEB
29 =HOB
19=HOR=Lose8
26 =HEB
00
26 =HEB
32=HER
3=LOR
35 =HOB=Lose9
13 =LOB
29 =HOB=W6
3 =LOR
25=HOR
6 =LEB=Lose10
31 =HOB
9 =LOR=Lose11
16=LER
4 =LEB=Lose12
13 =LOB
20 =HEB=W7
5 =LOR
26 =HEB
13 =LOB
33 =HOB=W8
===================w/L=4/6
======================================
16=LER
24 =HEB
12=LER
34=HER
12=LER=W9
20 =HEB
1 =LOR
10 =LEB
10 =LEB
30=HER=Lose13
3 =LOR
00 =Lose14
22 =HEB
24 =HEB
35 =HOB=W10
25=HOR
13 =LOB
17 =LOB
9=LOR=Lose15
2 =LEB
17 =LOB
35 =HOB=W11
35 =HOB
26 =HEB
7=LOR
12=LER
35 =HOB=Lose16
1=LOR
12=LER
1=LOR=W12
16=LER
31 =HOB
10 =LEB
29 =HOB=W13
3=LOR
17 =LOB
27=HOR
28 =HEB
35 =HOB
36=HER=Lose17
===========w/L=5/5
==================================
14=LER
22 =HEB
34=HER
20 =HEB
32=HER
11 =LOB
22 =HEB
25=HOR=Lose18
2 =LEB
4 =LEB
6 =LEB=W14
33 =HOB
10 =LEB
18=LER
12=LER
3=LOR=W15
7=LOR
36=HER
34=HER
8 =LEB
35 =HOB
36=HER=Lose19
11 =LOB
11 =LOB
12=LER=Lose20
16=LER
19=HOR=W16
32=HER
31 =HOB
28 =HEB
1=LOR=Lose21
29 =HOB
36=HER
30=HER
2 =LEB=Lose22
26 =HEB
33 =HOB=W17
32=HER
15 =LOB
17 =LOB
22 =HEB=W18
==================w/L=5/5
=================================
23=HOR
8 =LEB
5=LOR
5=LOR
20 =HEB=Lose23
31 =HOB
00 =lose24
15 =LOB
34=HER
7=LOR
32=HER=W19
6 =LEB
26 =HEB
8 =LEB=W20
33 =HOB
24 =HEB
12=LER
3=LOR
2 =LEB=Lose25
10 =LEB
31 =HOB=W21
20 =HEB
34=HER
26 =HEB
8 =LEB
33 =HOB=W22
26 =HEB
29 =HOB
29 =HOB
18=LER
4 =LEB
9=LOR
1=LOR
33 =HOB=Lose26
31 =HOB
3=LOR
10 =LEB
18=LER
18=LER
27=HOR=W23
25=HOR
15 =LOB
20 =HEB
13 =LOB=W24
==================w/L=6/4
================================
16=LER
28 =HEB
2 =LEB
00 ==lose27
25=HOR
26 =HEB
20 =HEB
3=LOR=Lose28
31 =HOB
17 =LOB
3=LOR=Lose29
12=LER
36=HER=W25
13 =LOB
15 =LOB
26 =HEB=W26
18=LER
9=LOR
26 =HEB=Lose30
23=HOR
27=HOR
11 =LOB=Lose31
36=HER
16=LER
1=LOR=W27
24 =HEB
7=LOR
5=LOR
00 =lose32
1=LOR
00
24 =HEB
28 =HEB
34=HER=Lose33
===================W/L=3/7
=============================
22 =HEB
27=HOR
16=LER
33 =HOB=Lose34
19=HOR
15 =LOB
34=HER
29 =HOB
15 =LOB
18=LER=Lose35
10 =LEB
11 =LOB
18=LER=Lose36
24 =HEB
19=HOR
28 =HEB
23=HOR
29 =HOB
27=HOR
20 =HEB
5=LOR
31 =HOB
22 =HEB
1=LOR=Lose37
28 =HEB
33 =HOB
9=LOR=Lose38
27=HOR
8 =LEB=Lose39
19=HOR
26 =HEB
23=HOR
4 =LEB
34=HER
14=LER
36=HER=W28
22 =HEB
34=HER
14=LER
12=LER=W29
21=HOR
6 =LEB
25=HOR
3=LOR
12=LER=W30
5=LOR
25=HOR
13 =LOB
31 =HOB
35 =HOB=W31====
========================w/L=4/6
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24 =HEB
30=HER
27=HOR
31 =HOB=Lose40
26 =HEB
23=HOR
7=LOR
4 =LEB=Lose41
2 =LEB
15 =LOB=W32
35 =HOB
31 =HOB
1=LOR
8 =LEB
10 =LEB
29 =HOB=W33
8 =LEB
25=HOR
21=HOR
19=HOR=W34
32=HER
6 =LEB
32=HER
33 =HOB
23=HOR
19=HOR
19=HOR=W35
00
3=LOR
20 =HEB
21=HOR
15 =LOB
2 =LEB
00 =lose42
30=HER
36=HER
12=LER=W36
27=HOR
16=LER
7=LOR
6 =LEB
26 =HEB
34=HER=Lose43
30=HER
20 =HEB
8 =LEB
18=LER=Lose44
=============w/L=5/5
==========================
14=LER
23=HOR=W37
18=LER
3=LOR
25=HOR=W38
29 =HOB
18=LER
31 =HOB
34=HER
4 =LEB
25=HOR
27=HOR
36=HER=W 39
2 =LEB
====
Anzahl Spiele: 340
Hi PA,
Quote
just bet black and red...after 2, bet won't into 3 series.
and see how w/l ratios in 10 bet increments.
Did a quick test on R/B:
50 BETS (5 SETS OF 10 BETS)
LLLWWWLLWL - 6/4 LOSS = -2
LLWLWWWLLW - 5/5 LEVEL = -2
WWLLWWWLWW - 7/3 WON = +2
LWLWLWLWWL - 5/5 LEVEL = +2
LWWWWWLLWW - 7/3 WON = +6
PROFIT=+6
I wonder if this might be a STABLE bet?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 20, 06:57 AM 2015
Hi PA,
Did a quick test on R/B:
50 BETS (5 SETS OF 10 BETS)
LLLWWWLLWL - 6/4 LOSS = -2
LLWLWWWLLW - 5/5 LEVEL = -2
WWLLWWWLWW - 7/3 WON = +2
LWLWLWLWWL - 5/5 LEVEL = +2
LWWWWWLLWW - 7/3 WON = +6
PROFIT=+6
I wonder if this might be a STABLE bet?
A.
Hi Atlantis,
With due respect,
[check your pm].
IMHO, this bet selection, is a very stable selection.
[can win even flat-bet , if wins clustered at early, or at late spins.]
Because if we bet, 'only- RED', wont goes 3,
Then the long VARIANCE will come and go,
But when ALSO bet , the BLACK, wont go three,
then the RED's variance will be off-set, by black's wins.
But we miss the red's winning streak, in the reverse, too.
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Quote from: P.A on Sep 20, 05:10 AM 2015
Hi RayManZ,
With Respect,
U say,...
1. RB
2. HL
3. OE
The graph is made on bets. I just track per W or L.
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ask u a question..that graph...show..
1. RB
=u bet [only bet red], or,[only bet black], or [bet red, and also bet black, together]???
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2. HL
3. OE
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and the dozen graph,
u bet ONLY a single DOZEN, ???
Thanks in advance.
The first graphs about the EC's is using only the BETS
I'm betting on series. So i bet on a single that i will become a serie. Just one BET.
B
R - Bet black LOSS
R - Bet red WIN
R - no bet
R- no bet
B - BET
etc...
For all EC's
Same goes for the dozen bet. Single vs. Series. I only bet ONE dozen.
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 20, 09:04 AM 2015
The first graphs about the EC's is using only the BETS
I'm betting on series. So i bet on a single that i will become a serie. Just one BET.
B
R - Bet black LOSS
R - Bet red WIN
R - no bet
R- no bet
B - BET
etc...
For all EC's
Same goes for the dozen bet. Single vs. Series. I only bet ONE dozen.
Hi Ray,
With due respect,
Thanks u so much for your reply!
The three EC, red/Black, H/L, O/E,
each u bet , single will series, once only...
May U please tell us, what u learned from the graph?
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thanks
Gentlemen,
Could we combined all three, in chart?
could anyone do this?
this is just a suggestion.
example:
bet each EC will ftl...
17 =LOB
3=LOR=[win,win,lose]=+1=+1
18=LER=[win,lose,lose]=-1=0
35 =HOB=[lose,lose,lose]=-3=-3
24 =HEB=[win,lose,win]=+1=-2
30=HER==[win,win,lose]=+1=-1
31 =HOB=[win,lose,lose]=-1=-2
25=HOR=[win,win,win]=+3=+1
30=HER==[win,lose,win]=+1=+2
16=LER==[lose,win,win,]=+1=+3
27=HOR=[lose,lose,win]=-1=+2
31 =HOB=[win,win,lose]=+1=+3
32=HER=[win,lose,lose]=-1=+2
we need to see if the bet selection, STABLE.
[that even flat will win, if clustered at early or late spins.]
and the variance not very long...
thanks
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 20, 09:04 AM 2015
The first graphs about the EC's is using only the BETS
I'm betting on series. So i bet on a single that i will become a serie. Just one BET.
B
R - Bet black LOSS
R - Bet red WIN
R - no bet
R- no bet
B - BET
etc...
For all EC's
Same goes for the dozen bet. Single vs. Series. I only bet ONE dozen.
Gentlemen,
The betselection, RayManZ, apply, is
bet a single EC, will series, once only.
say,
RED, bet RED, win, or lose, stop bet.if win, wait for new color.
if lose, bet the new color.
Black, bet Black, win, stop bet, wait for new color.
Black, no bet,
black, no bet
red, new color, bet red once. win, stop bet, wait for new color...
red, no bet,
red, no bet,
black, new color, bet black, lose
red, bet red...so on...
This kind of bet will 50% albeit ZERO hit, when we place bet!
As u see, this type will SWING widely,
In the ten increment as, Ray, posted in his three graphs,
u will see [zero win, in 10spins], and [10wins, in 10spins increment],
so u will see peak and valley, and little half peak, and half valley...
but one sure thing is, u see the wave , up and down...
what up, must down, and what down, must up..thus u know how to win, when the valley formed...
We do not predict, we just watch where the wave will go, and when it up, to peak, then we risked our money....of course we will lose, when the half peak suddenly down to form valley!
for newbies only,
expert please skip, as boring and repetitive...
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Ladies, and gentlemen,
I believed that, most of u have take a very close look,
at the CHARTS, that RayManZ posted...
No, u do not need how the bet selection,
but u need to have a very careful look.
That wave mean how many wins and losses,
in a ten spins increment.
U will 'oh', and 'ahh',
when u see that the wave will move UP, and DOWN,
they never stay UP for a long straight line,
and down, for a long straight line.
when the line move down, this mean, the win/lose ratio,
the losses is more than win.
When the line move upward,
this mean the winning more than the losses.
This way , u could see how the variance formed!
and after variance, the math expectation, will formed,
and any mild progression,
will win...
but of course, sometime, variance form again, when u start to bet!..Thus causing losses...and cut loss...
After u understand how the waves move, from math expectation, to variance, to math expectation again...
U will not seeking nor testing for any "special bet selection', and "special progression"..again!
It is the VARIANCE AVOIDANCE!..and MATH EXPECTATION!!!
after variance sequences, math expectation sequences, will form, and easily beaten with any mild progression.
No progression can win over severe variance sequences.
and every math progression, will easily beaten with any mild progression.
It is the VARIANCE AVOIDANCE!..and MATH EXPECTATION!!!
that u need to test, and study, and really understand!!
Hi PA,
Here is a graph of test of 111 spins betting ALL 6 EC's the way you directed (once only against series of 3 forming)
FLATBET ONLY.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 20, 11:25 AM 2015
Hi PA,
Here is a graph of test of 111 spins betting ALL 6 EC's the way you directed (once only against series of 3 forming)
FLATBET ONLY.
A.
Thanks Atlantis,
that result marvelous,
should make more, to see!!!
Really appreciate them.
[check PM]
Btw, u say, against ...
against series of 3 forming...
u mean , bet 2series, to become 3series, bet once only.
or bet 2series, wont become 3series, bet once only...
Thanks ..
[please check PM.]
Quote from: P.A on Sep 20, 11:31 AM 2015
bet 2series, wont become 3series, bet once only...
That is the one!
I now attached a .txt file to show the betting.
A.
Thanks Atlantis,
Seems that whether u bet for 3series to formed,
or against 3series to formed, results will also seems good.
The respected Bleep, swear by this method,
and the respected Priyanka, seems interested in this method...too
But Priyanka, do it differently...I think.
may need more test to see whether this selection stable ..or not..
please make more test, for mutual benefit.
Thanks Atlantis.
[please email me.]
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 20, 11:25 AM 2015
Hi PA,
Here is a graph of test of 111 spins betting ALL 6 EC's the way you directed (once only against series of 3 forming)
FLATBET ONLY.
A.
Looks good. Doubted it would work. But on all ECs perhaps it does
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 20, 12:47 PM 2015
Looks good. Doubted it would work. But on all ECs perhaps it does
Hi respected RG,
we bet that on ALL six EC...
We just looking for a stable bet selection.
For mutual benefit, for all members and newbies here...
Any Bet-selection, suggestion?
Thanks in advance.
looks like everyone is searching for a holy grail here--good luck to all
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 20, 04:49 PM 2015
looks like everyone is searching for a holy grail here--good luck to all
Yes,
everyone apparently. PA has now gone from preaching to asking for suggestions for bet selection.
Strange for a guy who claimed to have the answers :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 20, 05:24 PM 2015
Yes, everyone apparently. PA has now gone from preaching to asking for suggestions for bet selection.
Strange for a guy who claimed to have the answers :question:
Law
I am similar to you in the fact that I trust no one. I see that. I get your distrust of PA.
However, if you kinda read between the lines, and latch onto some of the things being said here, like from a respected member Atlantis and Chrisbis, sometimes it sparks a thought in your own mind. Sometimes it seems a bit off topic, but the inspiration comes from what you were reading.
I'm not sure I get PA either, and I kinda havnt heard much new, but I took the "look over your shoulder" on variance to the Casino today, and it helped me with a little issue I had with an Idea I use.
Just a thought.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 20, 05:46 PM 2015
Law
I am similar to you in the fact that I trust no one. I see that. I get your distrust of PA.
However, if you kinda read between the lines, and latch onto some of the things being said here, like from a respected member Atlantis and Chrisbis, sometimes it sparks a thought in your own mind. Sometimes it seems a bit off topic, but the inspiration comes from what you were reading.
I'm not sure I get PA either, and I kinda havnt heard much new, but I took the "look over your shoulder" on variance to the Casino today, and it helped me with a little issue I had with an Idea I use.
Just a thought.
Hey Turner,
Actually, I trust plenty of members on this forum who have earned it. GLC and Ignatus for example.
Neither of these members have some BS agenda; they are clear and direct in their analysis and share info openly (almost like it's a forum).
As for ideas coming from PA's "preachings", years ago there were a group of researchers who claimed that they found future predictions written in "code" in the Bible using a technology to find patterns within the scriptures.
There was only one problem.............the same technology found hidden patterns in Moby Dick and Oliver Twist. :sad2:
PA is taking simple ideas and extrapolating them into "sermons" with a bit of flare and showmanship. Hence why Steve popped in, shot them down, yawned, and then popped out. The greed of beating this game has truly reached cult status...............now anyone can be a leader.
Just a friendly reminder: we are now officially 41 pages in with no winning system to beat the game.............only 49 more and we beat the Pattern Breaker thread (remember that jewel).................we're half way there!!!
Meanwhile, guys like Ignatus are putting in real work on beating this game without the smoke and mirrors.:thumbsup:
law, respectful, disrespectful...who ever wrote them, all the systems including the ones you mention all tank in the end.
The sheer output of some members does indicate that none of the ideas work any better than any other
Spam and egg with beans,
egg spam beans
beans, beans, spam, egg and spam
eggs, spam, eggs beans and spam
Same old spam eggs and beans, no matter how you present it.
-2.7 HE
it depends what you want I guess.
Well respected members churning out spam egg and beans in various combinations, or something else a bit more risky where you have to think things out a bit.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 20, 06:34 PM 2015
law, respectful, disrespectful...who ever wrote them, all the systems including the ones you mention all tank in the end.
The sheer output of some members does indicate that none of the ideas work any better than any other
Spam and egg with beans,
egg spam beans
beans, beans, spam, egg and spam
eggs, spam, eggs beans and spam
Same old spam eggs and beans, no matter how you present it.
-2.7 HE
it depends what you want I guess.
Well respected members churning out spam egg and beans in various combinations, or something else a bit more risky where you have to think things out a bit.
Well Turner, as usual, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
Although, if it all ends up the same way, then "thinking about things a bit" will not matter..............I guess we're all doomed...........except those guys who had the Eureka moment and found the HG earlier in the thread.
Wonder what happened to those guys? :question:
Dear TheLaw,
With respect,
I see that u have arsenal of progressions,
that u lament eventually tanked.
YOUR progression tanked, just SIMPLY,
because a certain, VARIANCE SEQUENCES,
that be the ACHILLES' heel.
If only u could WAIT, for that heel, to come, and pass,
and then u bet, u will definitely win, but then again,
your aggressive progression's HUGE LOSSES,
could not be offset by next few session profit...
The more aggressive the progression, the deadlier the losses,
when the Variance hit.
This is why JOHN LEGEND's system, and, type of progressions,
are DEADLY,
Once hit by the variance, u are doomed.
that the Marthy curse!
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Even though there is no HE, in coin throwing.
DEADLY aggressive progression like martingale, labby, fibo...
Once the variance hit, u just cant recoup the losses, in few session profit,
but if u bet FLAT, then u lose only a few unit,
or even win a few unit, in the course...
and if u wait for VARIANCE to passed, then u win, flatbet.
Hope u understand.
1. No progression will help you win. Progression is just different size bets on different spins, nothing more.
2. Mild progression does not help you ride out losing streak or deal with variance. Every spin is independent, and the odds dont change. Refer back to point 1 above.
Aggressive progression = lose bankroll faster
Same as Big bets = lose quicker
Mild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower
3. Betting all the ECs does not make play less volatile because:
a. There is no increase in accuracy of prediction in the first place
b. All you have is a bunch of independent bets that each has their own volatility
4. PA still hasnt answered the question how much he has won. It's also clear, as another member pointed out, he doesnt even has a method for bet selection. There is just an idea, and it's classic gambler's fallacy. Nothing being discussed on this thread, by PA or the followers, is anything but fallacy.
5.
Quoteand if u wait for VARIANCE to passed, then u win, flatbet.
Nonsense. You cannot just wait for something to occur. Variance is not even an event. It is nothing physical. Even if it was a physical event, waiting for it to occur does not at all change accuracy of predictions. See for yourself and test. Waiting for something, or something being due is one of the oldest most common gambler fallacies. Waiting for "variance to pass" is no different to saying after 10 reds in a row, black is due to spin.
This is going around and around. Followers are free to not listen to reason. But again, people here are wasting their time and PA is misleading people. He is constantly saying things that make it clear he doesnt understand, and is constantly contradicting himself and doesnt even appear to know. Again the only reason I've allowed this to continue is because people will learn more if it is allowed to continue, than if I just removed the topic. But anyone actually following PA needs to listen to reason.
Dear Mr. Steve,
With Due Respect.
I understand your frustration, because, I didnt post a HG here...
I just dont understand why people demand "SHOW ME THE HG!".
This is a respectful forum, for members to discuss, arguing the fact, and show what we 'found'....here, for mutual benefit...
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I am intrigued , why some peoples, seems, only interested to chastise, instead of contributing some ideas, here.
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You say...
[1. No progression will help you win. Progression is just different size bets on different spins, nothing more.]
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I say, aggressive progression, is deadly,
only mild progression, with MATH expectation sequences, could win.
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[2. Mild progression does not help you ride out losing streak or deal with variance. Every spin is independent, and the odds dont change. Refer back to point 1 above.]
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Variance is the major CAUSE, that make u lose, only MATH expectation sequences, with mild progression, can make u win.
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[Aggressive progression = lose bankroll faster
Same as Big bets = lose quicker
Mild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower]-
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I already say that for many time...
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[3. Betting all the ECs does not make play less volatile because:
a. There is no increase in accuracy of prediction in the first place
b. All you have is a bunch of independent bets that each has their own volatility]
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Betting all SIX EC, is just a testing idea, as we think the variance of a single EC will somehow OFFSET by the other hot hitting streaks.
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[4. PA still hasnt answered the question how much he has won. It's also clear, as another member pointed out, he doesnt even has a method for bet selection. There is just an idea, and it's classic gambler's fallacy. Nothing being discussed on this thread, by PA or the followers, is anything but fallacy.]
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I never ask people how much money the won, nor asking anyone to show his system here.
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[ and if u wait for VARIANCE to passed, then u win, flatbet.]
[Nonsense. You cannot just wait for something to occur. Variance is not even an event. It is nothing physical. Even if it was a physical event, waiting for it to occur does not at all change accuracy of predictions. See for yourself and test. Waiting for something, or something being due is one of the oldest most common gambler fallacies. Waiting for "variance to pass" is no different to saying after 10 reds in a row, black is due to spin.]
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I never say, wait for RED variance, then, bet BLACK!!!
That what U said!
I say, wait for RED variance, then AFTER it is OVER, then bet RED!
not BLACK!!!
In the non HE coin throwing, we could win flatbet, if we could wait for the variance to hit ....theoretically...
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[This is going around and around. Followers are free to not listen to reason. But again, people here are wasting their time and PA is misleading people. He is constantly saying things that make it clear he doesnt understand, and is constantly contradicting himself and doesnt even appear to know. Again the only reason I've allowed this to continue is because people will learn more if it is allowed to continue, than if I just removed the topic. But anyone actually following PA needs to listen to reason.]
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I say something SIMPLE, then people still cant understand, and I say again, REPETITIVELY, so people can understand the simple thing, but some still REFUSE to accept simple facts!
Do I care?
Why should I care?
Should I?
U are free to remove this topic, as it your prerogative,
members who found value in this thread , already copy and paste in their computer.
And I cant understand, why a topic, that discuss, everything within the math possibility, should be threaten, by a few disgruntled members, just because, they choose to be disgruntle???
I not saying bad about others ideas, or systems...
and only a few people here screaming murder, just because they dont..err..like my thread?
And here the reason, u should delete this thread!
When more people understand how to build a HG, and win constantly, casino will change rules.
And that caused our ideas thrown into drain.
So please, DELETE this thread IMMEDIATELY!!!
Dont LOCKED, as all the ideas here detrimental to casino.
HAHAHAHAWHAWHAWWW!!!
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ONLY , 'WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION SEQUENCE', COULD BE BEATEN BY 'MILD PROGRESSION'!
VARIANCE KILLS EVERY SYSTEMS!
VARIANCE AVOIDANCE, IS THE ONLY WAY TO A HG.
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that statement above worth a million dollar,
I the P.A
The first person, and only person in this world,
to tell you this, how to build a hg, in a forum.
You are doomed, if you cant understand VARIANCE!
and u may recognize my writing style in other forums, same repetitive, and weird English writer...hahahahahawhaw
I had show the selection, show the chart, show the variance avoidance strategy, show this, show that...
still people say I didnt show anything!?
what the...
I just cant understand these people, they just unable to sit still and learn?
I am now, gone forever, from this forum..
recycling all the time the same things doesnt help at all , too much blaah blaah..... no more intersting! but if u need hg, pm me now, guaranteed to wealth, great wealth:wink:
PA, I dont mean to offend you, but you literally appear deluded. None of your points were accurate or correct. You dont appear to understand basic facts.
You would be leaving the forum probably because your whole HG claims are exposed as nonsense. I dont believe it would be for any other reason.
Many people before you have been exposed for similar nonsense, left, then come back under fake names. It wouldnt at all surprise me if you've been here before many times.
Perhaps on other forums, you wont be asked common sense questions. Maybe you will find less experienced people on other forums.
PA, since you are leaving, I'll respond to your last claims:
QuoteI say, aggressive progression, is deadly,
only mild progression, with MATH expectation sequences, could win.
Incorrect. Math sequences are meaningless, like saying RBRRRRB means something. And mild progression or aggressive progression doesn't change anything except:
Aggressive progression = lose bankroll faster
Same as Big bets = lose quicker
Mild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower
QuoteVariance is the major CAUSE, that make u lose, only MATH expectation sequences, with mild progression, can make u win.
Variance has nothing to do with roulette, winning or losing. Variance is statistical talk for saying "what happened before" without any correlation to WHY OR HOW something happened. It's like saying it rains (on average) once per 3 days, then trying to predict the day it will happen without even looking at the weather forecast or any telltale signs. Variance causes nothing. It has no impact on roulette. It cannot be predicted or used. Variance is not a variable. Variance is nothing but a statistic.
And again see what I said about progression.
QuoteMild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower]-
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I already say that for many time...
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Then you dont understand what you are saying. You cannot in any way use variance to increase the accuracy of predictions. Knowing that on average, this or that will will happen X amount of times in X amount of spins does NOT at all help you beat roulette. The variables that make an event happen are not at all related to variance.
QuoteBetting all SIX EC, is just a testing idea, as we think the variance of a single EC will somehow OFFSET by the other hot hitting streaks.
Then again you dont understand there is no actually such thing as a "streak" in roulette, unless you are looking in the past, or at a biased wheel (with physical defects). You cannot use predict spin outcomes with statistics alone.
QuoteI never ask people how much money the won, nor asking anyone to show his system here.
You cant answer a simple question or give a vague idea of whether or not your HG has produced any success? Why not name the thread "an idea for testing" instead of "HG". You are not preaching anything but your own misconceptions and misunderstandings.
QuoteI say, wait for RED variance, then AFTER it is OVER, then bet RED!
not BLACK!!!
Here you're saying you can use variance to predict future spins, but you cannot. You are saying a well-tested and known ineffective approach / fallacy works.
Quote==============================
ONLY , 'WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION SEQUENCE', COULD BE BEATEN BY 'MILD PROGRESSION'!
VARIANCE KILLS EVERY SYSTEMS!
VARIANCE AVOIDANCE, IS THE ONLY WAY TO A HG.
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that statement above worth a million dollar,
Again, progression doesnt help at all. Variance cannot be predicted or used. You cannot avoid variance. It is a statistic on past spins, that tells you nothing about future spins except what you already know, like with a coin toss, ther's a 50/50 chance. There will be "streaks", and they happen within normal expectation. You cannot use these streaks or variance for anything, except in rare cases where there is a statistical anomaly that indicates there is a possible bias. That indicates a physical flaw with a wheel. What you are doing is using plain statistics, with nothing tangible, and giving baseless claims that you can avoid variance. Anyway, big waste of time here. Just circles.
opps! forget the last sermon! hehehe
Expert that has HG must skip this.
This the LAST preach.
After this, there will be no more BORING posting from me....hehehe
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Ladies, and gentlemen,
This is the last preach, and after this, I will not post or say anything in this respectful forum.
As u had carefully read all my repetitive preachment, u will see that , I always emphasize a few words, as if there no other worthwhile words.
the words are .
1]bet selection, that hit consistently, at H.edge.
2]mild progression.
3]VARIANCE AVOIDANCE.
4]Cut Loss.
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Now, if u look at a very long real casino spins data, many thousand spins, and U choose one EC, say u choose RED.
Then look closely , how the RED BEHAVE, at the long spins.
Say, now u look at the spins, as 50spins INCREMENT,
and look at the WIN/LOSE ratios, of each 50spins increment.
U will see, that VARIANCE and math expectation, will hit alternately...
The only headache, is , we CANNOT predict, or foresee, how long will the Variance goes!
So we try, to look at the 50spins as, a parameter,
What will u see???
1]U will see, math expectation win ratio.
2]U will see, VARIANCE sequences, terrible win ratio.
eg.
U will see,
in the 50spins increment....
very fantastic, say, 40win, to
bad 15wins , in the 50spins increment.
and u will see the [Variance-50spins-increment],
alternating with, [Within-Math-expectation-50spins-increment]
1][Variance-50spins-increment],
2][Math-expectation-50spins-increment]
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1][Variance-50spins-increment],
is increment, that has very little wins, that it very hard to win with any mild progression, or even IMPOSSIBLE to win, with any AGRRESIVE progression.
2][Math-expectation-50spins-increment]
is increment, that has more wins, than losses, or wins that, less, than losses, but EASILY, win with any mild progression.
All u need is, wait for the bad variance that u do not bet...
and then, a 'within-math-expectation sequences' that u could win easily...with any mild progression...
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Hope u understand.
If u do not understand,
this simply mean that, your basic understanding of betting, need more time to comprehend, just copy these words, and reread them, until u understand.
Raymanz's variance charts, already show how the variance,and math expectation, waves, going up and down, but since the chart very narrow, u see sharp peak, and valley.
Only if u could make the chart wider, then u will see, the wave, slowly, making its way, up, and down.
Then u could see, that we cant predict, and cant foresee, and cant control the waves, we just watch, and follow how the wave BEHAVE, knowing that , variance hit lesser, than the math expectation,. and act accordingly.
Bet when the Variance is over, and get-out, and wait for next bad variance, and repeat...with cut loss strategy...
It take a time to understand variance, like it takes time for people to study medicine, laws, architecture,airline pilot, etc..
it is not ,like, I tell u a few finer points, and off you go and make money in casino!!!
Thanks Ladies and Gentlemen,
for your enthusiasm, and patient to learn.
This is good-bye time,
and all I can say,
it takes time, to understand and build a hg,
your HG.
FAREWELL...
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@Steve.........
Quality timing!
(On the picture)
@P.A.
Its been and interesting banana boat ride for sure.
At the very least you made some of us think about the game differently.
Take care P.A.
Post something new soon, don't hide away in obscurity .
The real benefit of PA posts is learning what doesn't work, and why. And that there's a new HG every week, that fails like the others. But not everyone recognized that what he preached was typical gambler's fallacy. I mean anyone can test the principles and seen they don't work.
Steve....surely roulette computers fail in their pediction often too. Neighbour bets must be the way due to betting close to NMB and in UK you have to have £5 min bet per number and 5 no. Min
In other words when I call 15 and neighbours I have to throw £25 at the racetrack.
Hey P.A. ,
If it's in fact your last reply here ,
Thx for everything , thx for keep your cool between the haters and thx for I could make my own system. If it's a HG I don't know...but so far it's going great. If it would fail later...well I'll stop when I lost half my profit. But that would take me a serious long time ^^
All the best... :thumbsup:
well that was an interesting thread...i already worked out you would have broke down the ratio or avoidance into smaller segments..i did have nick do a 25 spin test...and 50 spin..test or rather sheets for me well before you posted it here...i thought that was the answer...but wasn,t on the system i used but showed some interesting stuff and a new way of ratio betting to me...all the best PA...been great having you here and made a change from the usual... :'(
Quotesurely roulette computers fail in their depiction often too. Neighbor bets must be the way due to betting close to NMB and in UK you have to have £5 min bet per number and 5 no. Min
In other words when I call 15 and neighbors I have to throw £25 at the racetrack.
If they are made and applied correctly, the edge can be +120% and even above. The house edge is a small -2.7%. It'd be hard to lose with an edge like that.
If by saying 15 numbers you are referring to my public demo video, I could have easily bet 1 - 3 or so numbers, and the edge would have been even higher than 120%. But the "profit per hour" would have been less. For example, if you bet 15 numbers, then you could make $1000 in a couple of spins. But if you just bet on one number, it may take 30 spins to profit $1000. So betting more numbers gets you out of the casino quicker. You dont need to bet so many numbers, but the more professional teams use 2-3 betting players and bet large for a few spins, then leave. That way it looks more like luck to the casino, and the team can easily come back another time.
As for PA, the "haters" were not "hating" him. PA didnt have anything. There was good reason for people to be critical of him. He was posting complete nonsense which was obvious to anyone with experience. He's another CEH, John Legend etc. All hype and nothing at the end. His sermons were misleading and plain incorrect nonsense. I've explained all the details, but it appears not everyone understood. What he was saying was classic gambler's fallacy. Anyway no matter what evidence is revealed, it is often still not understood. Simply anyone who does proper testing will find out for themselves. But it is also important to understand why the approach doesn't work, so you dont just try the same thing repackaged a different way.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 06:48 PM 2015
If they are made and applied correctly, the edge can be +120% and even above. The house edge is a small -2.7%. It'd be hard to lose with an edge like that.
I've ALWAYS been interested in this, how on earth do you calculate that edge pls ?
What the maths you use pls ?
I've got a mate who's a maths teacher, I may well run this past him..... :thumbsup:
O0
There are 37 numbers on European wheel. If you bet 1 number, the payout is 35 to 1 which means you get 35 chips PLUS your original bet.
So on average, after 37 spins you are left with 36 chips. You are 1 chip down. So edge is:
-1/37 = -0.27%
Or use attached excel chart.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 07:26 PM 2015
There are 37 numbers on European wheel. If you bet 1 number, the payout is 35 to 1 which means you get 35 chips PLUS your original bet.
So on average, after 37 spins you are left with 36 chips. You are 1 chip down. So edge is:
-1/37 = -0.27%
Or use attached excel chart.
Okay thxs, I'm with that.....
What was the sum that got your computer to +120% pls ?
AS in how many spins did you test to come up to that +120% conclusion pls ?
O0
In my demos I usually do about 60 spins to generate data on the jump charts (these show how far the ball is bouncing from the un-tuned prediction), then I show the charts to attendees. Then I do a further 60 spins to show the peaks are in the same place (total 120 spins for main part of demo). The purpose of this is to do two independent trials with the same result, to prove it wasn't luck.
The attached image is the chart I show to the camera after passing the phone around to people. Sorry it's blurry, I lost the original recording and only have a lower quality recording, but you can still see the obvious "high bars". The demo was around 120 spins in total and the calculations are attached.
With computers you can calculate the edge with relatively few spins because you can do the two groups of 60 spins, and see the edge and peak location between each set is much the same.
The most relevant part of the demo is at link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?t=1857&v=PUqjvSvEnX8 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?t=1857&v=PUqjvSvEnX8)
No I didnt use paid actors or magnets, like some people have said.
MAnyone can see demos in person but again now my partner does them, except for the hybrid version.
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PA is now banned for editing my post. He added rubbish saying i was needing to sell because im in need of money. PA, face it, the rubbish you peddled didn't work, you knew you were lying to people, and you wanted attentiion. Grow up.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 06:48 PM 2015
That stupid idiot PA didnt have anything.
Is really necessary to use words like this again and again? Is it something what should make your arguments stronger? I think that this way of presentation highly demean your credit and also your way of play.
I'm not PA's advocate, I still didn't play your method, but I think, he has quite a lot readers, he suggested repeatedly that he doesn't want any money from anyone here. He presented his opinion and attitude to the game. That was all how I feel it. I think a forum is for free decent and polite presentations of any attitudes related to subject matter.
And btw, we don't know if PA has anything or doesn't. Things are not so easy.
martin, i didnt say that. PA edited my post trying to discredit me. Any post creator can edit posts in their thread. Im sure he edited more.
Yes he had followers, and so did CEH, another person who deliberately misled people for ego, attention, and other selfish reasons. Many people defended CEH and we now all know what he is. I even discussed it with him, and he said he had nothing but just liked making people think. And there have been many others like this who claim to have the HG, for amusement. Why do you think he said in his first post that his preaching will drag on? He wanted devoted followers. There are many clues, and people need to not be so naive.
I received many requests from members to ban PA. And as i said, i didnt want to ban him because it would benefit members more if he was allowed to rant, then people can learn for themselves.
All i did refute his nonsense. anyone who understood my points would have seen PA for what he was. Anyway its over now. He will probably come back with a fake name. People like him usually do. He wont be the last person like him. Wait a week and see.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 07:00 AM 2015
martin, i didnt say that. PA edited my post trying to discredit me. Any post creator can edit posts in their thread. Im sure he edited more.
Yes he had followers, and so did CEH, another person who deliberately misled people for ego, attention, and other selfish reasons. Many people defended CEH and we now all know what he is. I even discussed it with him, and he said he had nothing but just liked making people think. And there have been many others like this who claim to have the HG, for amusement. Why do you think he said in his first post that his preaching will drag on? He wanted devoted followers. There are many clues, and people need to not be so naive.
I received many requests from members to ban PA. And as i said, i didnt want to ban him because it would benefit members more if he was allowed to rant, then people can learn for themselves.
All i did refute his nonsense. anyone who understood my points would have seen PA for what he was. Anyway its over now. He will probably come back with a fake name. People like him usually do. He wont be the last person like him. Wait a week and see.
The fact he edited your post to say that is all i need to know about him
Side note: i suspect the law to be trotting in on his high horse any minute now :xd:
He edited about 8 different posts. Very immature edits; the kind a teenager would do. Thread locked now.