I am not sure who he is, I know he was around before my time
heard he had a website etc etc
I'm sure he will see this and I'm sure this will be copy and pasted in the gambling forums forum
whatever
anyway I really really liked this method and wanted to know what you guys thought
it is betting the sleeping dozen and column but only 4 numbers....and to my surprise it looked liked it worked well
have not tested it in depth but I will in a couple of days
the method:
look at farthest back dozen
look at farthest back column
bet the 4 numbers
example
2 (doz 1, col 2)
32 (doz 3, col 2)
19 (doz 2, col 1) (furthest back dozen, dozen 2)
27 (doz 3, col 3) (furthest back column, column 3.
focus on 19 and 27, because 19 is furthest back dozen and 27 is furthest back column
we will bet the 4 numbers in dozen 2, column 3
bet 15, 18, 21, 24
Is it fallacy? Is it as good as any other 4 number bet? Dunno
How far are you looking back?
......
& in your example, why is 27 not the furthest back dozen?
Doz 2 is the furthest unique dozen
Col 3 is furthest unique column
If we played furthest back in general wed go back a trillion spins?
testing this evening
works wonders
beginners luck maybe
example:
2 newest spin
34
22
21
here you would bet the 3rd column in dozen 2
why? dozen 1 is newest spin, dozen 3 is 2nd newest spin, that means the oldest dozen to show is dozen 2 so we focus in dozen 2. also number 2 is column 2, and 34 is column 1, that means furthest column back to show is column 3
so we bet dozen 2 column 3
the #s would be 15, 18, 21, 24
Mr. J is on to somethin with bet 4 numbers max ;)
I got 3 hits fast, which when betting 4 numbers is nice profit
You need to think beyond results from a few spins. All of my earlier systems would almost always profit in the first few hundred spins. But when they eventually had a bad session, the profits were gone.
Then I tried to use milder progressions, but all that did was make the swings less severe. ie instead of losing everything in 100 spins, I'd lose everything in 1,000 spins. The result was still the same: loss.
I dont know how else to explain it. Jump into a huge frying pan. No matter which position you sit or lay in, you'll get burned. Jump up for a while, but then you come back down and get burnt. The only solution is jump out of the damn frying pan, because everything you were doing in it was the same crap. In the case of roulette, you need to look at ways of increasing accuracy of predictions. There is absolutely no way around it. This is so clear once it is understood. Believe me when you understand it you'll look back at all the wasted time.
You dont need to increase prediction accuracy my way (typical AP). I'm sure there are other ways of doing it too, which are not yet discovered. Try something NEW. Realize almost everyone is still in the frying pan expecting a new position will stop them getting burned.
I know what you are saying
But there must be a clever way to profit without predicting where the ball will land
QuoteBut there must be a clever way to profit without predicting where the ball will land
It's ALL about where the ball lands. You cannot ignore the winning number. It needs to be predicted.
Once you understand why, you understand why almost every approach fails.
Did someone mention my name ?
Grins.
The farthest back 4 number system is a great one - it's not 100% (at all).
It is a good money maker though and is backed up with math (which I could explain but....
shrugs.. it won't change the mind of people who think AP is the only answer and that this is all
'fallacy' - and it won't change the minds of people that play it and typically win.)
What it comes down to - math wise, is the odds of a 'rare' (in this case 1-9 and not too rare) event
repeating itself. (which it does - about 1 in 9 times).
You can benefit from the fact that the math says the longest back cross-section on the table
will most likely not repeat itself back to back - therefore you can win.
Look at it this way... record spins as they happen -
Find the one number that doesn't show up (the longest sleeper) and then once it shows -
start all over again until you have 1 number again that hasn't shown. Is it the same number (no...
because that rare event won't repeat itself). The same goes for the cross-section of dozen/column - although it doesn't take as many spins to achieve the results.
I'd prefer to play this with some qualifications - like 4 spins being the minimum limit
(a dozen and a column are the 'farthest back' and neither have shown for 4 spins).
This makes the event more rare, and far less likely to repeat itself.
But anyway, I typically post at the new forum now - a bot grabbed this post and posted it there,
but I thought I would stop in and reply here.
Cheers and keep winning.
Turbo
thanks for responding
FYI I whipped out American zumma as I have many airball machines of American roulette here in NY and up to spin 40, mucho profit
thanks
it wont always win but for a quick hit and run few units its good...I wouldn't static bet it over and over
Wow! I've been away for a long time and never thought I would see Turbo post again. I can't vouch for the system long term, but for the few times that I tried roulette at a casino, the furthest back system was the one I used. I won 60-100 bucks each time. I'm into computer programming now, I might code a simulator that uses the furthest back of varying lengths; just to see what happens. For instance, it would track 6 patterns: 4 spins, 8, spins, 16 spins and 32 spins; all at once.
Quote from: coxx16 on Sep 25, 02:01 AM 2015
Wow! I've been away for a long time and never thought I would see Turbo post again. I can't vouch for the system long term, but for the few times that I tried roulette at a casino, the furthest back system was the one I used. I won 60-100 bucks each time. I'm into computer programming now, I might code a simulator that uses the furthest back of varying lengths; just to see what happens. For instance, it would track 6 patterns: 4 spins, 8, spins, 16 spins and 32 spins; all at once.
Lol. Ive gotten turbo and kimo to post again
Lots oF lurkers here
I saw this 4 number method lose 20 times in a row. But before that 3 wins. So its good for hit and run i think
Unfortunately, this method is longterm loser, played in Dublin Bet and B & M casino, several winning sessions and large lost session, and so on.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Sep 20, 09:13 AM 2015
Did someone mention my name ?
Grins.
The farthest back 4 number system is a great one - it's not 100% (at all).
It is a good money maker though and is backed up with math (which I could explain but....
shrugs.. it won't change the mind of people who think AP is the only answer and that this is all
'fallacy' - and it won't change the minds of people that play it and typically win.)
What it comes down to - math wise, is the odds of a 'rare' (in this case 1-9 and not too rare) event
repeating itself. (which it does - about 1 in 9 times).
You can benefit from the fact that the math says the longest back cross-section on the table
will most likely not repeat itself back to back - therefore you can win.
Look at it this way... record spins as they happen -
Find the one number that doesn't show up (the longest sleeper) and then once it shows -
start all over again until you have 1 number again that hasn't shown. Is it the same number (no...
because that rare event won't repeat itself). The same goes for the cross-section of dozen/column - although it doesn't take as many spins to achieve the results.
I'd prefer to play this with some qualifications - like 4 spins being the minimum limit
(a dozen and a column are the 'farthest back' and neither have shown for 4 spins).
This makes the event more rare, and far less likely to repeat itself.
But anyway, I typically post at the new forum now - a bot grabbed this post and posted it there,
but I thought I would stop in and reply here.
Cheers and keep winning.
Turbo
I cant fault the logic ðŸ'
I think the method works fantastic
Everytime i test it, it works. The beauty? Only 4 numbers
Farthest back dozen and farthest back column bet those 4 numbers
Coxx did u code it?
Did somebody mention 4 numbers? ;)
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 29, 04:34 PM 2015
Did somebody mention 4 numbers? ;)
Ken
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Furthest back 4 wins
Quote from: Plam on Feb 05, 06:16 AM 2016
Freddy system II
Bet on 4 numbers of the intersection,where the column and dozens meet.
Yesterday, thinking about losing strategies, I remembered about this. strategy from this topic.
I remember how I went to my BM casino and after about 400 spins I was with 250 units on minus.
This is a bit the opposite of what TURBO is playing now.
At night I decided to try something like this, since we know that playing the coldest sector is the worst bet, I played the opposite of betting 32 numbers against the 4 most furest numbers selected, I played to first loser ,later changed the selections and so in the cycle.
I used a wheel without zero and after 1000 spins I was 370 units on plus,
Quote from: ozon on Nov 30, 02:08 PM 2017
I played the opposite of betting 32 numbers against the 4 most furest numbers selected, I played to first loser ,later changed the selections and so in the cycle.
Ozon,
Can you please explain the above statement ? It is kind of confusing and difficult to understand.
The original system consists in selecting the coldest dozen and column sector
we have 4 numbers.
I played against this event
I have set 32 numbers using splits, it is 16 splits
I played as far when it came out coldest sector, then I recalculated the new coldest sector again, and played again to first lose.
Maybe now it's more readable, I think it can only work on a wheel without zero, because we play too many numbers.
Quote from: ozon on Nov 30, 07:30 PM 2017
The original system consists in selecting the coldest dozen and column sector
we have 4 numbers.
I played against this event
I have set 32 numbers using splits, it is 16 splits
I played as far when it came out coldest sector, then I recalculated the new coldest sector again, and played again to first lose.
Maybe now it's more readable, I think it can only work on a wheel without zero, because we play too many numbers.
Yes, it is clearer now. Thanks.
excuse me dealer, mind waiting while i place 32 numbers
That's easy! I covered the table with 32 numbers and kept as "favorite bets". I change 5 chips of place (leaving the sector uncovered) when it's time to bet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 30, 10:28 PM 2017
That's easy! I covered the table with 32 numbers and kept as "favorite bets". I change 5 chips of place (leaving the sector uncovered) when it's time to bet.
Andre method is just crazy as any other strategy -the only difference is Andre a very very patient guy and he will be be always winner as long as he is patient
Did I say that this is a playable method, only an experiment.
Only betvoyager rng no zero wheel.
Every system that has a small edge and covers over 18 numbers in long run on a wheel with zero is doomed to failure.
Just calculate how much damage make zero in 32 numbers bets in 1000 spins , to overcome house edge You must got real big advanage.
But is turbo's sTRAGEDY long term successful ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 01, 12:55 PM 2017
But is turbo's sTRAGEDY long term successful ?
Yes, he's living in a mansion Beverly Hills, CA
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