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Title: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: ignatus on Sep 17, 03:40 AM 2015
This morning i thought about following Steve's advice of playing with wheel-sectors, i give it a shot.

Now, im not sure i can make any sense of it? but from my first 3 tests i thought about betting the two neighbouring sectors for each spin, (12 numbers bet) stoploss after 3 spins, and wait for a virtual win? because it will be losing streaks... anyway, if you can make better sense of these wheelsectors, or come up with a better idea, let me know...

WHEEL SECTORS

1: 0-2-4-15-19-21-32

2: 6-13-17-25-27-34

3: 8-10-11-23-30-36

4: 1-5-16-20-24-33

5: 9-14-18-22-29-31

6: 3-7-12-26-28-35

TEST A: 5344134211444345424636645212656546612454144314661325452253221123626443112

TEST B: 3325324524643444356646121164242645521235366121115522545246622513556551465

TEST C: 1456416154421654244525214145643365561236154131121525316264211442431515531

Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: P.A on Sep 17, 05:12 AM 2015
 Hi Ignatius,
Below a sample that bet half the wheel.

But as u see, there will be no bet selection, that will hit superior than casino math, for long term,
after a while, they will be at below math expectation.

Thus the best , selection, will be that consistently hit within the math,
and u will see that VARIANCE will always present itself, no matter what bet selection, u test.


=============================
123=half wheel
456=half wheel
bet will repeat the latest hit.

follow the new hit matrix

TEST A:
53
44=hit
13=hit
42
11=hit
44=hit
43
45=hit
42
46=hit
36
64=hit
52
12=hit
65=hit
65=hit
46=hit
61
24
54
14
43
14
66=hit
13=hit
25
45=hit
22=hit
53
22=hit
11=hit
23=hit
62
64
43
11=hit
2

TEST B:
33=hit
25
32=hit
45=hit
24
64=hit
34

44=hit
35
66=hit
46=hit
12=hit
11=hit
64=hit
24
26
45=hit
52
12=hit
35
36
61
21=hit
11=hit
55
22=hit
54=hit
52
46=hit
62
25
13=hit
55=hit
65=hit
51
46=hit
5

TEST C:
14
56=hit
41
61
54=hit
42
16
54=hit
24
45=hit
25
21=hit
41
45=hit
64=hit
33=hit
65=hit
56=hit
12=hit
36
15
41
31=hit
12=hit
15
25
31=hit
62
64=hit
21=hit
14
42
43
15
15
53
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Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: ignatus on Sep 17, 05:25 AM 2015
Yes, there is only one problem, and that is betting 18 numbers each spin playing live....i did a test myself betting 18 wheelnumbers link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15906.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15906.0)

But dublinbet has removed that function of betting a 9 number sector....so it's not a very practical bet in reality
Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 17, 12:13 PM 2015
Hi  ignatus
Now PA topic don't take to much notice of it, but the 111 spins is of interest with the sectors.
Like Winkel did in GUT, gave the 37 spin breakdown 13,25,37. So can we have 37, 74, 111. After the 74th spin would one bet the Hottest sector or the coldest sector.

Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: P.A on Sep 18, 09:16 AM 2015
If we slice the wheel into three equal parts, or sectors, with the zero being one of the sector..
Then given enough spins, all the three sector will have almost equal hit...
and of course there will be variance, too.

If u know how to address the variance, or avoidance, u could even win , flatbet...

why almost equal hit???
It is no secret, or any supernatural involved,

Simply because, it just physic...

the casino, always make sure that the wheel is well balanced,
and the probability math, also say so...
Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: Randy on Sep 18, 06:23 PM 2015
Hello P.A and Ignatus,

this is something I always tried to bring into discussion about Roulette!!

Casinos established their artificial way to force most people to bet on the table (an effective kind of misleading them), but its very clear
IF we would place our bets according to wheel sectors, there MUST be several advantages for playing sucessfully !!!  :thumbsup:

This should be considered, explored and tested indepth by experienced players and programmers . . .

I think, to start with the above mentioned suggestion of dividing the wheel into three sectors ( one incl. Zero)
is a very good start to do this !!!

And:  Sorry for my bad english... :-X


Have a good evening all ...
Greetings from Germany

Randy
Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: P.A on Sep 18, 08:39 PM 2015
Randy,
Greeting the the Germany..

As u see, there nothing special in betting the wheel.

1]Look at the wheel,
start from zero, count to your right, clockwise, 123456789,10,11,12.
that one slice, and again, and again, Now u get THREE slices of the wheel,

some call it pies, or sectors...

then u do some research, search the old data, of real roulette..


and u will see , that after 300spins, ALL, sectors will have almost EQUAL HIT!

but in the short spins, say 50spins,

VARIANCE will happen.!!!

Then how are u going to take advantage of this , almost set in stone,
happening???

Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: Kattila on Sep 19, 09:36 AM 2015
Or you can use this Systems + tracker to **see** the hottest ( 9 numbers) groups/sectors  or the coldest sectors,
and make your decision what to bet next , which 9 numbers /sector to bet  ( or two sectors 18 numbers).

      
System 1      
      
A   32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17,34   
B   6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10   
C   5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9   
D   22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26   
      
System 2      
      
E   19,4,21,2,25,17,34,6,27   
F   13,36,11,30,8,23,10,5,24   
G   16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18   
H   29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0,32   
      
System 3      
      
I   21,2,25,17,34,6,27,13,36   
J   11,30,8,23,10,5,24,16,33   
K   1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7   
L   28,12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19   
      
System 4      
      
M   25,17,34,6,27,13,36,11,30   
N   8,23,10,5,24,16,33,1,20   
O   14,31,9,22,18,29,7,28,12   
P   35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4,21   
      
System 5      
      
R   34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23   
S   10,5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31   
T   9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3   
U   26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25   
      
Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: Chrisbis on Sep 19, 10:40 AM 2015
@Kattila
I like your 'system' numbers.
Moving 2 wheel numbers to the right in each notation.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: ego on Sep 19, 12:26 PM 2015
 
If you want to become a expert, then you should memorize the wheel layout.
It takes around a week and once you memorize the wheel you don't forget the numbers order.

I wrote down the numbers into the minimum, groups of three or sectors of three numbers.
The first sector includes zero.

I memorize one sector each day in clock wise direction and the other 3 to 4 days i learn the wheel sectors anti clock wise.
I repeat numbers when i was taking the subway to my work, repeat numbers before sleep and repeat numbers when eating.
I also start to dream about the numbers i memorize.

0. 26 0 32 15
1. 19 4 21
2. 2 25 17
3. 34 6 27
4. 13 36 11
5. 30 8 23
6. 10 5 24
7. 16 33 1
8. 20 14 31
9. 9 22 18
10. 29 7 28
11. 12 35 3

Now i also wanted to learn about the bi-modal effect.
Where one sector has its opposite sector on the wheel layout.

Then i memorize each index numbers belonging to each sector.
0 to 11.

0-6 = 26 0 32 15 // 10 5 24
1-7 = 19 4 21 // 16 33 1
2-8 = 2 25 17 // 20 14 31
3-9 = 34 6 27 // 9 22 18
4-10 = 13 36 11 // 29 7 28
5-11 = 30 8 23 // 12 25 3

It get more easy after this and you can move two sectors forward from one sector and get a cross + with sectors.

0-6-3-9 = 12 numbers
1-7-4-10 = 12 numbers

You can mix them with many different combinations.
One other way to memorize the wheel is to cut the wheel into sectors that works like memorize phone numbers.

Cheers
Title: Re: Making sense of wheel sectors(?)
Post by: Chrisbis on Sep 19, 12:35 PM 2015
I too learnt the wheel layout few years ago.
It helps if you have photographic mind !!

Example: starting at 22 and go clockwise will encounter numbers  29 & 28 that are in that grouping......always a favorite of mine.
Best way to learn i found, was placing bets on Betvoyager.com demo track layout.........