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Reposting because i love this

It works well

Nice hit rate. I flat bet it

I tested euro and american

American wheel is better for this

2 units 0/00
5 units 3, 5 quad
5 units 7,11 quad
5 units 13,17 quad
5 units 20, 24 quad
5 units 25,29 quad
5 units 31,35 quad

what you see in the following image is my own personal holy grail

after years of testing

a 24 number bet that RECOVERS flat bet

has its ups and downs but flat bet ALWAYS goes positive

MUST be american wheel

anything and everything can fail

but damn this thing is good

def a effective bet selection..still thinking needs a slight addition or tweak to make it bulletproof. but yeah,flatbet seems to recover quite nicely from what i've seen.

Quote from: onetaste on Sep 30, 07:50 PM 2015
def a effective bet selection..still thinking needs a slight addition or tweak to make it bulletproof. but yeah,flatbet seems to recover quite nicely from what i've seen.

Autobet is on. Flatbet. Anerican wheel. Up to 1800 from 1200

Up up n away

awesome. :thumbsup:

This is the 3rd long test ive done with same result

Another thing i notice on american wheel which can just be a figment of my imagination, but DS 13 thru 18 rarely repeats

see image....2 hours later flat bet

Killer.Any particular reason for choosing those particular quads for the selection?...look fwd to researching the marquees here in AC.staying at bally's,about 20 tables between here and Caesars next door.Much less patience needed for this then the Lanky method thats for damn sure.ha..cool to see where this one goes.so simple but effective.

Lemme see you replicate those results @ Five Dimes (since you're so confident).

Quote from: onetaste on Sep 30, 10:43 PM 2015
Killer.Any particular reason for choosing those particular quads for the selection?...look fwd to researching the marquees here in AC.staying at bally's,about 20 tables between here and Caesars next door.Much less patience needed for this then the Lanky method thats for damn sure.ha..cool to see where this one goes.so simple but effective.

I agree

the lanky method works well

but I don't have the patience for that noise

I'm an every spin bet player like you are I guess lol

theres no particular reason that I chose these quads

many weekend nights of nothing to do....but drink beer and practice on celtic live wheels...the only live wheels we can practice on in the states online

one night I put these 6 quads on auto bet, a few months ago, woke up in the morning and my money was tripled. I was amazed

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 30, 10:45 PM 2015
Lemme see you replicate those results @ Five Dimes (since you're so confident).

I will

but I don't have a VISA

my bank only issues mastercards, lol

you test a lot, why don't u give this a go next time your on celtic

I did it tanked :q

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 30, 10:48 PM 2015
I did it tanked :q

when that happens to me ill report it

I test the same wheel you do on celtic....moneys about tripled now

it did go from 1200 to 700 to 500 but went right back up....2700 now

heres another

look at the history board and look at the bets....awesome hit rate

Onetaste im curious to know how this does in AC if u play it

Worth the drive for me on a $5 table

Dont put your money where my mouth is but any drawdown has recovered for me flat. On celtic and on zumma

I just tried this w/out the zeros covered ---not saying its great but it did win flat for 50 spins

I'm off for the night

money tripled on a 24 number bet plus 0/00 FLAT BET is success in my book

the way I see it is, if I can double my money in 2 out of 3 nights, lose on my 3rd night with a stop loss I'm still ahead of the game. go with 100 each night. if lose it I'm done for the night. if double it, stop and leave

and if you can win on a bet like this flat bet consistently, imagine what a small, mild progression can do

very satisfied

Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 30, 11:08 PM 2015
I just tried this w/out the zeros covered ---not saying its great but it did win flat for 50 spins

awesome, and if you make money with it I'm a happy guy

Damblert may make things quicker. +1 on a loss -1 on a win

Something tells me it will be easy getting back to 1 unit

If it's really that good....why not wait a virtual dd? Or indeed a very mild progression

Quote from: denzie on Sep 30, 11:27 PM 2015
If it's really that good....why not wait a virtual dd? Or indeed a very mild progression

Definitely

Few more tests to make sure first

Then progression time

From what im seeing +1 -1 looks like a good one here

Same quads for European wheel?

RG you're making incredible claims.  Without some sound
proof this system work consistently, it is a slippery slope.

Isn't this a bit "LEVELLER" stuff?

If you keep betting long enough it should balance soon or late. But late can be days.

RG
Always ask yourself " what sequence would kill me"
If its 5 or so losses its a bad idea
Roulette has been going so long that there is no way something as automatic and fixed as this couldnt of ever been tried before.
Taking that assumption, how could roulette still be so profitable to the Casino if something so simple was a winner.
You seem to me as someone who shouldn need telling all this.
Its an accident waiting to happen

Quote from: Turner on Oct 01, 06:41 AM 2015
RG
Always ask yourself " what sequence would kill me"
If its 5 or so losses its a bad idea
Roulette has been going so long that there is no way something as automatic and fixed as this couldnt of ever been tried before.
Taking that assumption, how could roulette still be so profitable to the Casino if something so simple was a winner.
You seem to me as someone who shouldn need telling all this.

I agree 100 percent. Something so static will lose

I keep coming back to this because every 3 hour session flat betting i have played has won big and i cant explain why. If its luck then i guess im lucky

Im sure hell run will come

Thats why a stop loss and maybe hit and run can be key here

I do however believe on a strong bet selection a mild progression can be used successfully. Which i might entertain on this if this continues

RG
Hit and run? Na:
Hitting and running from what?
Random flow?
If you swapped between 10 tables, a few spins here, a few there totalling 1000 spins....they would pass a chi square test. They wouls pass as random.
When you run...last number was random. After a meal and a few comp drinks....watch the game for 30 mins, the next number is random.
If you hadnt run and stayed sat at the table, the next number would of been random.

Quote from: Turner on Oct 01, 06:56 AM 2015
RG
Hit and run? Na:
Hitting and running from what?
Random flow?
If you swapped between 10 tables, a few spins here, a few there totalling 1000 spins....they would pass a chi square test. They wouls pass as random.
When you run...last number was random. After a meal and a few comp drinks....watch the game for 30 mins, the next number is random.
If you hadnt run and stayed sat at the table, the next number would of been random.

Very true

But then what are we doing here then, lol

Chasing hopes and dreams

You can say the same about any matrix or even gut?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 01, 12:02 AM 2015
RG you're making incredible claims.  Without some sound
proof this system work consistently, it is a slippery slope.

Define "incredible claims", where?

Just reported what i was doing and the results. Just like you always do

If it is incredible then fine by me!

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 01, 07:09 AM 2015


But then what are we doing here then, lol

Getting over all the newbie ideas and trying something a tad more sustainable.
Perhaps the divine realisation is......
We try to stay in the game longer and know what we will lose....if we lose, before walking in the casino.
The rest is a bonus.

Quote from: Turner on Oct 01, 09:07 AM 2015
Getting over all the newbie ideas and trying something a tad more sustainable.
Perhaps the divine realisation is......
We try to stay in the game longer and know what we will lose....if we lose, before walking in the casino.
The rest is a bonus.

Of course

Somehow. some way.  This method keeps me in

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 01, 09:13 AM 2015
Of course

Somehow. some way.  This method keeps me in

Yeah...but you are crossing the motorway by running across it. I suggest using the foot bridge.

Quote from: Turner on Oct 01, 09:26 AM 2015
Yeah...but you are crossing the motorway by running across it. I suggest using the foot bridge.

Thanks for the advice

Still using just fun money. Not diving in yet

Actuallu havent been playing a whole lot on this weeks visit..Been doing alot of table/marquee observations and jotting things down..bit of a 'research and development" kinda week for systems.ha...got a lil' over zealous last week and went past my budget.Going to be observing alot of tables today.So far from what i have seen until now,the loses are generally spread enough apart to recover and are few and far between...here's another quad system i found on vls that is impressive as well.  link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9495.0 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9495.0)

Thanks for the link

Will check later after work

Wonder if the poster meant american or euro wheem

He says both 0 and 0/00 have about the same results.

hit rate still good enough to play flat on my end (celtic american wheel)

averaging 4 wins to 1 loss

3 losses in a row occur in spread out groups and balance recovers

I lost $30 cash with this method.  Grande Vegas Live
Wheel European Wheel (Sun Palace Live Wheel).  Didn't hit once.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 01, 07:08 PM 2015
I lost $30 cash with this method.  Grande Vegas Live
Wheel European Wheel (Sun Palace Live Wheel).  Didn't hit once.

sorry to hear about your loss.

this method was made for american wheel only. good luck with your future testing.

You didn't say that a while back (American Wheel Only).

Why should I put good money after bad on this?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 01, 07:11 PM 2015
You didn't say that a while back (American Wheel Only).

Why should I put good money after bad on this?

The title of this thread "american wheel. quads" and the first post in the thread says i tested on both and it worked much better on american

so last night you said it tanked, and it was on the wrong wheel. test again

You say this works until someone complains then you change it and then say it's your personal grail.  This is like John Legend with his systems.

I've lost money with this system.  Doesn't that mean anything to you?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 01, 07:16 PM 2015
You didn't say that a while back (American Wheel Only).
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You say this works until someone complains then you change it and then say it's your personal grail.  This is like John Legend with his systems.

i dont know what your problem is

the title of the thread states its for american......

if you dont like it or care for it then dont play it

sorry you lost. have a good night

also proof, id like to add i didnt make empty claims. i tested this on several occassions for hours at a time with the same results and i checked hundreds of spins on zumma AMERICAN

can someone slap me and wake me up and show me where i did something wrong or tried to mislead anyone? im posting my results. thats all

current game

fun money

look at history board and look at bets

THIS is what i consistently see and what you see here in this image is why i promote this

Don't forget June 8,2015 when you originally posted this exact system

"24 Number Bet...Flat-Bet Success"

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15652.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15652.0)

I tried it with real money back then...it flopped.

Be careful with that word Grail.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 01, 07:33 PM 2015
Don't forget June 8,2015 when you originally posted this exact system

"24 Number Bet...Flat-Bet Success"

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15652.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15652.0)

I tried it with real money back then...it flopped.

Be careful with that word Grail.

Dont test with real money

A lot of your systems flopped for me with fake money

Never jumped on u for it because i appreciate you testing

So why dont you move on proof

But before truly moving on maybe test it on the right wheel

If anyone is testing this on american i just have one request. If you see more than 3 consecutive losses in a row please let me know

Ive seen 3 max and want feed back if it goes more

Thanks

this evening

flat bet it from 730 until 930  on auto bet live wheel

broke even. did not lose did not win

got fed up waiting

cleared the bets and began a +1 on a loss reset back to 1 unit on a win...balance started to creep up

still up to this point I have NOT seen more then 3 consecutive losses. curiousity brought me to testmystrategy.com and in 1000 spins max consecutive loss I saw on that site was 6, which makes me feel good

that's 3 very long sessions this week. tripled my money flat bet within 2 sessions. 3rd session broken even no win or loss

that's it for tonight

I deleted the 2 face off posts. Spoils the thread. RG isnt claiming anything. He admitted it should tank....but isnt doing yet.

@RG
Morning.

I have been following this thread with a curious eye, as against betselection interest since I don't ever come across an American Wheel (0/00 goblin)......but have a question for you.

Would you place this bet in a real B&M casino at the minimum rate of stake money you have mentioned  ($5/10) and watch it loose 3 times in a row and not begin to panic?
It needs triggers/qualification of betselection,  and a big BR for recovery  me thinks!
:o

Quote from: Chrisbis on Oct 02, 03:19 AM 2015
@RG
Morning.

I have been following this thread with a curious eye, as against betselection interest since I don't ever come across an American Wheel (0/00 goblin)......but have a question for you.

Would you place this bet in a real B&M casino at the minimum rate of stake money you have mentioned  ($5/10) and watch it loose 3 times in a row and not begin to panic?
It needs triggers/qualification of betselection,  and a big BR for recovery  me thinks!
:o

On paper and being a 24 number bet your speculations would seem correct

I did a total of 7 hours of continuous real wheel test. All sessions were positive

To answer your question about 3 losses, no i wouldnt panic. I saw 3 consecutive losses a few times and while it drew the br down it always recovered flat

Im not making up fairy tales this is what is happening

Since you dont run across american, if you really are interested make a celtic account and monitor the american wheel and youll see what im saying

Before i throw real money at it this requires more testing. However if i was to play real wheel right this moment id go to a 5 dollar table and ask for 1 dollar chips and put 1 dollar on each position. Damblert +1 on a loss -1 on a win and id feel confident

I dont want to flood the forum. Will take a break this weekend. Good luck

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 30, 07:22 PM 2015
what you see in the following image is my own personal holy grail

after years of testing

a 24 number bet that RECOVERS flat bet

has its ups and downs but flat bet ALWAYS goes positive

MUST be american wheel

anything and everything can fail

but damn this thing is good

Bit surprised you haven't played this at a B&M casino after years of testing .......

Approx how many spins has it been tested for pls ?

O0

Quote from: ddarko on Oct 02, 08:05 AM 2015
Bit surprised you haven't played this at a B&M casino after years of testing .......

Approx how many spins has it been tested for pls ?

O0

Years of testing roulette in general. Not this system

What i was saying was in my years of testing this is the only 24 number bet ive created that recovers flat

About 500 live wheel spins and a few hundred zumma to answer your question

O0

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 02, 08:09 AM 2015
Years of testing roulette in general.

And what you got so far?

Quote from: denzie on Oct 02, 08:20 AM 2015
And what you got so far?

The same everyone here has. Strategies that work sometimes then abandon them and make a new one

In other words .... nothing solid. How does that make you feel?  Sad? Depressed Angry?    ..  :girl_to:

I'm joking...couldn't resist  :)
Don't give up  :P

Quote from: denzie on Oct 02, 08:36 AM 2015
In other words .... nothing solid. How does that make you feel?  Sad? Depressed Angry?    ..  :girl_to:

I'm joking...couldn't resist  :)
Don't give up  :P

Nothing solid would be an understatement. I wouldnt go that far

Ok RG  :)

Happy to hear....

@RG
Tell me please. ........
Why do you believe that this quads betselection is so suitable for an American 0/00 wheel?

Two quick tests with live spins in RX 00 wheel:

Quote from: denzie on Oct 02, 08:41 AM 2015
Ok RG  :)

Happy to hear....

Hey denzie why dont u share you PA eureka? HAPPY to HEAR

Quote from: helena on Oct 02, 08:44 AM 2015
Two quick tests with live spins in RX 00 wheel:

Good morning. Thanks for testing

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 02, 08:50 AM 2015
Hey denzie why dont u share you PA eureka? HAPPY to HEAR

I said already why I don't do that. And you got something solid already so you really not need it. We both be ok  :)
And you can figure it out anyway...your not a newbie as P.A. calling it.

Happy winnings...after all this makes roulette a lot more fun...

Quote from: denzie on Oct 02, 08:57 AM 2015
I said already why I don't do that. And you got something solid already so you really not need it. We both be ok  :)

Yes we will

RG
I dont like the posting of PM.
Especially when it stirs sh.t up again after I moderated. Dont do it.
It was done to carry on the sh.t in the guise of someone else saying it.

I deleted it.

Take care all have a nice weekend

I speak to a very well respected member via PM who no longer posts because of the BS. And this thread was mentioned by them. Something for all to think about.

Im gonna take a bit of a break.

No matter who you are or what your problem is just go and win money. Thats why we r all here. Too much drama and weirdness lately

Id rather not interact with helena and ddarko because i believe theres ulterior motives there and ddarko does not mean well. Majority of his posts to members is in a wise ass manner.

The PM i received was correct posting about roulette draws you down negatively. Need a hiatus

Whether you believe it or not RG, I am here to help others help themselves. 

You are right, you do need a hiatis, you are stressing yourself out over nothing.

Try to stop worrying about eveyone else and worry about yourself. Each person is responsible for themselves, you do not need to worry about them.

You will most likely never meet any of the member of this forum in your lifetime. Nothing you can do about that, go and have a happy life with your new wife.

When i return sometime next week i will continue to post my sessions and results using this system and will analyze more zumma

I have no negative sessions to share yet

My sessions last a minimum of hour and a half and i leave it flat bet and auto bet celtic american wheel

Whatever the resuts r i will share it. Up to this point 3 max loss in a row. I want to see what max loss in a row can reach so i know what progression can fit. If it reaches max loss in a row of 12 once in 50 thousand spins that wouldnt interest me. Im looking for an average

Ok man, good weekend

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 02, 09:06 AM 2015

Id rather not interact with helena and ddarko because i believe theres ulterior motives there and ddarko does not mean well. Majority of his posts to members is in a wise ass manner.

I just ask questions you don't like is all......

As for ulterior motives, well that would appear to be in your mind not mine......

Enjoy your break.....

O0

still never more than 3 losses in a row, live wheel and zumma

still my own personal holy grail

if anyone possesses zumma, please find me a page that has MORE then 3 consecutive losses in a row

yes, there are 24 number bets that are better then choosing any 2 dozens

must be american wheel

i have tested some more also---3 sessions of 60-80 spins---it does seem to always come out ahead

I did a test with 10000 live spins I got from Roulette30, attached if you want to test them yourself and got the following result:

There is no way this graph can be accurate. A downward trend with no upward movement? Impossible

Win streaks will be 10+ and loss streaks will be around 3

This graph doesnt reflect that. This graph reflects loss loss loss loss loss loss

Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 05, 10:43 PM 2015
i have tested some more also---3 sessions of 60-80 spins---it does seem to always come out ahead

Thats what im seeing in 200 live wheel sessions. Most come ahead flat bet some just under or even

+1 -1 may be good

Sure beats betting on the 2 dozen that mat has laid out for you

Also tomla thanks for mechanically testing and not in a software
Thats how ive been doing it with same result

If playing zero as well, the final payout is a 1 unit profit right?

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 06, 10:26 AM 2015
If playing zero as well, the final payout is a 1 unit profit right?

0/00 is personal choice. Id place the bet to make it a break even on a 0 hit

I know u test in AC and thats awesome

If you see more then 3 losses in a row let me know!! (0 counts as a win)

did 3 more tests ,, again it ended up----might try it without covering the 0/00, also might try it as a 16 number bet--its easy enough to test

Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 06, 11:16 AM 2015
did 3 more tests ,, again it ended up----might try it without covering the 0/00, also might try it as a 16 number bet--its easy enough to test

:thumbsup:

Same for me. Ended up in balance everytime flat bet and one time even and one time a little down

I will say there are drawdowns but it comes back

I think with the hit rate what it is +1 -1 is worth trying

Not in AC at the moment.Back in NYC working a promo for few days..I did unfortunately spy one 4 loss streak on one of the marquees before heading out.non bet number repeated twice followed by 2 other non bets numbers....but marquees arent always 100 percent accurate.Of the hundreds of other marquee sets i looked at 3 was the average max,but was mostly just one or two losses scattered here and there...just thought id pass that along.

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 06, 11:40 AM 2015
Not in AC at the moment.Back in NYC working a promo for few days..I did unfortunately spy one 4 loss streak on one of the marquees before heading out.non bet number repeated twice followed by 2 other non bets numbers....but marquees arent always 100 percent accurate.Of the hundreds of other marquee sets i looked at 3 was the average max,but was mostly just one or two losses scattered here and there...just thought id pass that along.

Thanks and what i expect

Average 3 max. Once 4. Rest is 1 and 2. Exactly what i like to see. Safe for progression. Possible positive progression to

I will look into a GLC double dozen progression for this

Have a good time in nyc im 30 miles east on the island. If you goto brooklyn have some spumoni pizza

If a number repeats back to back id wait for a virtual win by the way

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 06, 11:40 AM 2015
,but was mostly just one or two losses scattered here and there...

Thats why this is working for me the occasional 3 doesnt hurt

Hi,
I think this betting sequence with quads is brilliant and recovers really fast.
I want to share with you how I play this:

My goal is to win 3 times.
I want to recover fast as the leveller progression is doing for the double dozen.
I only plays 3 bets for simplicity.

My bets are:
1. The lowest possible on the table for example 0.5
2. My aiming bet for example 10 (my goal is to win 90 units)
3. Double the nr 2 bet for recovering

How I bet:
I always bet nr 2 after a win.
If I loose I bet nr 1 until I win again then I start to bet nr 2.
If I loose the nr 2 bet I start recovering and then bets nr 3.
When I have recovered back I start betting nr 2 again.

An example:
Bets:
nr 1 0.5X6=3
nr 2 10x6=60
nr 3 20x6=120
My goal=90

The only sequence I see that can fail is: WLWLWLWLWLWLWLWL
But this I have not seen yet.
The questions I have:
Should this work?
What should I set for stop loss?

I will continue play around with it and so far it works!

Hello

Thanks for the feedback

To answer your question, no it should not work, but it does

I tested a bunch more zumma american live wheel spins last night and did not see more then 3 losses in a row when having a safety net on 0/00. My zero bet is enough to break even if the quads lose. If i have 5 on each quad for a total bet of 30 ill place 2 between 0/00

Usually flat bet will recover and profit

Last night i tested +1 on a loss -1 on a win on the quads on celtic live wheel with sucess

Many are reporting success with this bet selection

You wont see this type of hit rate on betting 2 dozens normally. Everyone manually testing this is seeing the same good results. Screw the graphs and the thousands of spins tests

Im happy

Im trying to find one of those genius progressions from GLC that works on 24 numbers

I know he has a few double dozen progressions in the arsenal

Yes I can only agree with you. This quad bet works really good. If you run the other quad bets they does not have so good hitrate.

I found a couple of GLC progressions, I know exist more. But maybe you can start with these?

Double Dozen Parlay
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7504.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7504.0)

Penthouse and Lanky's 6 point divisor
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9926.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9926.0)

Double dozen flatbet parlay progression
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8282.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8282.0)

@ GLC - Progression for one dozen play -> Look at Kattilas answer
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15084.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15084.0)

Dozens GLC 5
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6156.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6156.0)

Quote from: tuddilue on Oct 08, 02:44 PM 2015
Yes I can only agree with you. This quad bet works really good. If you run the other quad bets they does not have so good hitrate.

I found a couple of GLC progressions, I know exist more. But maybe you can start with these?

Double Dozen Parlay
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7504.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7504.0)

Penthouse and Lanky's 6 point divisor
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9926.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9926.0)

Double dozen flatbet parlay progression
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8282.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8282.0)

@ GLC - Progression for one dozen play -> Look at Kattilas answer
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15084.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15084.0)

Dozens GLC 5
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6156.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6156.0)

You are a true gentleman

Yes i have tried every quad combo and this works extremely better then the rest

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 08, 10:44 AM 2015
Hello

Thanks for the feedback

To answer your question, no it should not work, but it does

I tested a bunch more zumma american live wheel spins last night and did not see more then 3 losses in a row when having a safety net on 0/00. My zero bet is enough to break even if the quads lose. If i have 5 on each quad for a total bet of 30 ill place 2 between 0/00

Usually flat bet will recover and profit

Last night i tested +1 on a loss -1 on a win on the quads on celtic live wheel with sucess

Many are reporting success with this bet selection

You wont see this type of hit rate on betting 2 dozens normally. Everyone manually testing this is seeing the same good results. Screw the graphs and the thousands of spins tests

Im happy

I didn't want to comment on this, however..I am also not a fan of betting anything more than 17 numbers.

I would say this is a safe bet all the way..  3 losses at the most maximum I can say will be 5 losses. If you hit a loss streak of more than five with this bet selection call it quits in gambling.

If you look at this bet selection and the numbers on the wheel..  There is no gap of more than 2 number's.

Which means the gap you hit has to be the unlucky gap you hit. The number's beside the gaps have been covered. I do understand that all numbers have to hit at the same rate but for you to miss more than 5 would mean you have hit a gap of 1 number on the wheel 5 times.

Not saying it can't happen, it sure can happen. But for it to happen that frequently for you , you have to be unlucky.

Good bet selection.

Thank you azim. I was determined to find a high hit bet selection. Took awhile. I look at doola and helena graphs and i just dont see how its possible

Heres another tuddilue

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4484.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4484.0)

if i have found a static selection that works i might do a dance

i have not tested +1 -1 enough to promote it as a good progression for this

but i have a feeling its good enough

tried it last night

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 08, 04:48 PM 2015
Thank you azim. I was determined to find a high hit bet selection. Took awhile. I look at doola and helena graphs and i just dont see how its possible

Heres another tuddilue

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4484.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4484.0)

if i have found a static selection that works i might do a dance

You Welcome.

I have to add to this by saying. This system will not win on any RNG software.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 08, 06:46 PM 2015

You Welcome.

I have to add to this by saying. This system will not win on any RNG software.

Not in a million years

I hope it does on airball, though. Such as igt

What i have local is as seen in picture. Real wheel and ball in center covered by glass

Real wheel and zumma produce the same good results. Havent ventured out to try airball yet. The video machine i wouldnt dare try it on

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 08, 06:48 PM 2015
Not in a million years

I hope it does on airball, though. Such as igt

What i have local is as seen in picture. Real wheel and ball in center covered by glass

It will only work on Air if you don't play alone and all stations are full.

Remember the Air machines are slots. They don't have to cheat but the payout is fixed at a certain %.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 08, 06:53 PM 2015

It will only work on Air if you don't play alone and all stations are full.

Remember the Air machines are slots. They don't have to cheat but the payout is fixed at a certain %.

good point. i know its "real" wheel and ball but from what ive read the air bursts can control where it falls

no worries though, they are always full

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 08, 04:48 PM 2015
Thank you azim. I was determined to find a high hit bet selection. Took awhile. I look at doola and helena graphs and i just dont see how its possible

Heres another tuddilue

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4484.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4484.0)

if i have found a static selection that works i might do a dance

This is very very very possible.  Your bet selection has given us a tool to see where the number's have come from.

The gragh they have showed us, show those number's are from RNG. I just did a test on it.

For those that don't want to go to B&M  casino and want to sit at home and play this on RNG , this will have 7 to 10 losses in a row on RNG.

If you have the bankroll to play online be ready for 7-10 losses in a row. RNG table and not live table.  You might get away by playing multi player roulette, where you can see other peoples bet's

Helena if you have saved the session of the graph you have posted, have a look at the betting history. You will see 5-7 losses far in between in a row. They will happen to a maximum of 10. When you checking that, if you do. Also look at the Wins in a row..  The maximum I saw was 35 wins in a row within a 10k session.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 08, 10:36 PM 2015
This is very very very possible.  Your bet selection has given us a tool to see where the number's have come from.

The gragh they have showed us, show those number's are from RNG. I just did a test on it.

For those that don't want to go to B&M  casino and want to sit at home and play this on RNG , this will have 7 to 10 losses in a row on RNG.

If you have the bankroll to play online be ready for 7-10 losses in a row. RNG table and not live table.  You might get away by playing multi player roulette, where you can see other peoples bet's

Helena if you have saved the session of the graph you have posted, have a look at the betting history. You will see 5-7 losses far in between in a row. They will happen to a maximum of 10. When you checking that, if you do. Also look at the Wins in a row..  The maximum I saw was 35 wins in a row within a 10k session.

Sigh. Never never would i test rng. Random rng will never behave like real wheel. Even if rng is random it wont behave like a wheem

Oh well. That argument is like pushing a rock up hill

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 08, 10:39 PM 2015
Sigh. Never never would i test rng. Random rng will never behave like real wheel. Even if rng is random it wont behave like a wheem

Oh well. That argument is like pushing a rock up hill

I don't see it as an argument.  It was just you or maybe i didn't read it right. You were not able to explain why this was winning for you.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 08, 10:42 PM 2015
I don't see it as an argument.  It was just you or maybe i didn't read it right. You were not able to explain why this was winning for you.

I mean the argument of rng is the same as roulette. I dont think it is

BTW, I got this tested on air ball Organic Wheel or could be inter-block wheel one or the other..  in total 3 wheels...  Got a feedback  As 3 Maximum losses on 2 machines.  The third machine reported maximum of 2 losses so far.


:thumbsup:

Quote from: Azim on Oct 08, 10:36 PM 2015
This is very very very possible.  Your bet selection has given us a tool to see where the number's have come from.

The gragh they have showed us, show those number's are from RNG. I just did a test on it.

For those that don't want to go to B&M  casino and want to sit at home and play this on RNG , this will have 7 to 10 losses in a row on RNG.

If you have the bankroll to play online be ready for 7-10 losses in a row. RNG table and not live table.  You might get away by playing multi player roulette, where you can see other peoples bet's

Helena if you have saved the session of the graph you have posted, have a look at the betting history. You will see 5-7 losses far in between in a row. They will happen to a maximum of 10. When you checking that, if you do. Also look at the Wins in a row..  The maximum I saw was 35 wins in a row within a 10k session.

:thumbsup:

Quote from: Azim on Oct 08, 10:56 PM 2015
BTW, I got this tested on air ball Organic Wheel or could be inter-block wheel one or the other..  in total 3 wheels...  Got a feedback  As 3 Maximum losses on 2 machines.  The third machine reported maximum of 2 losses so far.


:thumbsup:

Good news

This weekend when i have time i will test progressions

(testing only).......this is what I have been doing so far. Not saying I'm right, just sayin its how I am doing it. +1 on a win and -2 on a loss. Obviously playing at 1 unit is the lowest you can go and I do nothing with virtual bets (I hate them). I also do not bet the 0/00.

I also have different quads but that makes NO difference (I happen to like the 1/2 and the 9/11).

My quads are the >> 2/4, 9/11, 14/16 etc. My max loss is at 8 but remember, by that time, I was down to 1 unit each. My highest (so far) is 12 in a row, also remember, those are plus one unit going up. If I get into a bad losing stretch from there, not too bad......10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1.

Ken

Since this method recovers flat bet in most cases maybe gr8 will be good

11111
22222
33333
44444
55555

1 unit 5 bets. If even or up stay. If down after 5 bets move to 2 units. When even or up back to 1 unit

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 06:29 AM 2015
Since this method recovers flat bet in most cases maybe gr8 will be good

11111
22222
33333
44444
55555

1 unit 5 bets. If even or up stay. If down after 5 bets move to 2 units. When even or up back to 1 unit

Is that a 25 step progression RG ?

If so why on earth would you need that many steps for a system/method that as a rule only loses 3
times on the bounce ?

O0

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 09, 12:12 AM 2015
(testing only).......this is what I have been doing so far. Not saying I'm right, just sayin its how I am doing it. +1 on a win and -2 on a loss. Obviously playing at 1 unit is the lowest you can go and I do nothing with virtual bets (I hate them). I also do not bet the 0/00.

I also have different quads but that makes NO difference (I happen to like the 1/2 and the 9/11).

My quads are the >> 2/4, 9/11, 14/16 etc. My max loss is at 8 but remember, by that time, I was down to 1 unit each. My highest (so far) is 12 in a row, also remember, those are plus one unit going up. If I get into a bad losing stretch from there, not too bad......10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1.

Ken

Ken,

It's a personal choice of playing the 0/00. However, Now you have a section on the wheel that has 2 gaps.

I also don't know the rest of your quads to comment on them.

The original Quads and 0/00 make the system safer because of 1 Gap.
The idea behind the original 26 number's is that there is a gap of 1 and it's evenly distributed around the wheel.

BTW, I am sure someone is thinking the RED/BLACK are the same.  True.  However the Color Bets are 18 cover the 0/00 becomes 20 bets and look for 6 straight up number's can be your lucky number's will became 24 bets...

Quote from: ddarko on Oct 09, 07:01 AM 2015
Is that a 25 step progression RG ?

If so why on earth would you need that many steps for a system/method that as a rule only loses 3
times on the bounce ?

O0

You are preparing for the worse...

You can't become rich in gambling without a decent bankroll.   This is a good safe bet selection for the american wheel and with a nice safe progression can become a nice bread winner for some.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 09, 07:19 AM 2015
You are preparing for the worse...

You can't become rich in gambling without a decent bankroll.   This is a good safe bet selection for the american wheel and with a nice safe progression can become a nice bread winner for some.

:thumbsup:

Quote from: Azim on Oct 09, 07:10 AM 2015
Ken,

It's a personal choice of playing the 0/00. However, Now you have a section on the wheel that has 2 gaps.

I also don't know the rest of your quads to comment on them.

The original Quads and 0/00 make the system safer because of 1 Gap.
The idea behind the original 26 number's is that there is a gap of 1 and it's evenly distributed around the wheel.

BTW, I am sure someone is thinking the RED/BLACK are the same.  True.  However the Color Bets are 18 cover the 0/00 becomes 20 bets and look for 6 straight up number's can be your lucky number's will became 24 bets...

Yes 0/00 is choice

However i have not seen more then 3 conscutive losses. Had i exlcuded 0/00 i would have

I place the chip amount to where on a loss i break even for that spin so its as if it was a no bet

You will see more then 3 losses without betting 0/00

Quote from: Azim on Oct 09, 07:19 AM 2015
You are preparing for the worse...

You can't become rich in gambling without a decent bankroll.   This is a good safe bet selection for the american wheel and with a nice safe progression can become a nice bread winner for some.

Going from 3 losses to 25 possible losses on the bounce is quite the spread is it not Azim ?

O0

Quote from: ddarko on Oct 09, 07:23 AM 2015
Going from 3 losses to 25 possible losses on the bounce is quite the spread is it not Azim ?

O0

Very true.  However remember it's a 26 number bet...  which in reality a progression of Marty.

Would you do it for 26 number's unless you have the BANKROLL. 

I would personally say  progression is on an individual as to there pocket size..

The bet selection is the key here...

Quote from: Azim on Oct 09, 07:28 AM 2015
Very true.  However remember it's a 26 number bet...  which in reality a progression of Marty.

Would you do it for 26 number's unless you have the BANKROLL. 

I would personally say  progression is on an individual as to there pocket size..

The bet selection is the key here...

That's what I was trying to get at, why does it need a 25 step progression when the bet selection is
so strong.....

With that many steps it's going to be a BIG bankroll required to play right ?

RE: what would I do, well I flat bet  :thumbsup:

O0

Quote from: ddarko on Oct 09, 07:32 AM 2015
That's what I was trying to get at, why does it need a 25 step progression when the bet selection is
so strong.....

With that many steps it's going to be a BIG bankroll required to play right ?

RE: what would I do, well I flat bet  :thumbsup:

O0

Flat bet, yes...  However it will still require a decent Bankroll...  3 losses in a row , yes..   we did happens very frequently, however think of this..  ok..   

I am betting 10 units on this flat..   I win 3.5 by covering the 0/00..   Not going to count 0/00 as a win for a minute.

i win 2 in a row and lost the 3rd one.  win 2 again lost the 3rd one.  Now this is very possible but rare.

The best you can hope for is 6 wins 1 loss.. If you have time and a decent bankroll..  this is what this bet selection has in store.
If you have time to sit at the casino and flat bet..  Heads up to you. 

I had someone start with $75 on a 25 cent machine...  He said he played for 6 hours..  Lost the money.
After probing I found out he had 50 cents on 7 numbers straight up.  That's a long time to play for $75.

Wouldn't you say?
.

It does need a progression but a mild one.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 09, 07:40 AM 2015
Flat bet, yes...  However it will still require a decent Bankroll...  3 losses in a row , yes..   we did happens very frequently, however think of this..  ok..   

I am betting 10 units on this flat..   I win 3.5 by covering the 0/00..   Not going to count 0/00 as a win for a minute.

i win 2 in a row and lost the 3rd one.  win 2 again lost the 3rd one.  Now this is very possible but rare.

Flat bet you will come out a loser.

It does need a progression but a mild one.

That's my WHOLE point, I think if you must use a progression, a 25 step one isn't required here..... :thumbsup:

O0

Quote from: ddarko on Oct 09, 07:43 AM 2015
That's my WHOLE point, I think if you must use a progression, a 25 step one isn't required here..... :thumbsup:

O0

Personally if I were to play this, I would use this from Priyanka.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.msg115469#msg115469 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.msg115469#msg115469)

Build my Bankroll from casino money and work my way up.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 09, 07:59 AM 2015
Personally if I were to play this, I would use this from Priyanka.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.msg115469#msg115469 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.msg115469#msg115469)

Build my Bankroll from casino money and work my way up.

It is some you can easily transfer from an EC progression to a 26 number progression ?

O0

Quote from: ddarko on Oct 09, 08:09 AM 2015
It is some you can easily transfer from an EC progression to a 26 number progression ?

O0

True.  I look at the casino as a 24 hour bank machine.  Why go with a 3 or 5 or 10 step progression.

Use their money and play.  It's like a business.  You can't expect to become rich in an hour.


GOOD LUCK TO ALL ON THIS BET SELECTION. 

See you guys around soon.

I wil say it recovers flat bet

Every long live wheel test on celtic recovered as did zumma

Ive had it go from 1000 to 700 once but that was rare and it did recover back

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 09, 12:12 AM 2015
(testing only).......this is what I have been doing so far. Not saying I'm right, just sayin its how I am doing it. +1 on a win and -2 on a loss. Obviously playing at 1 unit is the lowest you can go and I do nothing with virtual bets (I hate them). I also do not bet the 0/00.

I also have different quads but that makes NO difference (I happen to like the 1/2 and the 9/11).

My quads are the >> 2/4, 9/11, 14/16 etc. My max loss is at 8 but remember, by that time, I was down to 1 unit each. My highest (so far) is 12 in a row, also remember, those are plus one unit going up. If I get into a bad losing stretch from there, not too bad......10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1.

Ken

Interesting progression I will try this out.
I have one question: What is your starting point? Is it 10 or?

Tuddilue

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 06:29 AM 2015
Since this method recovers flat bet in most cases maybe gr8 will be good

11111
22222
33333
44444
55555

1 unit 5 bets. If even or up stay. If down after 5 bets move to 2 units. When even or up back to 1 unit

Yes gr8 works. I have tested this a couple of times.
The only thing I added was, when loosing 1 I wait for a virtual win and starts the progression again.
This makes this progression even better...

Quote from: tuddilue on Oct 09, 09:04 AM 2015
Yes gr8 works. I have tested this a couple of times.
The only thing I added was, when loosing 1 I wait for a virtual win and starts the progression again.
This makes this progression even better...

And by doing that you will avoid loss streaks. Brilliant

American wheel only?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 09:09 AM 2015
And by doing that you will avoid loss streaks. Brilliant

Don't forget you will also avoid some wins..... :thumbsup:

O0

Yes americna ony. Tested both euro and american and due to wheel layout only works on american

However if you must play euro u can configure it to euro i suppose

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 09:28 AM 2015

However if you must play euro u can configure it to euro i suppose

I thought so. I'll give it a try and let ya know how it goes

Quote from: denzie on Oct 09, 09:31 AM 2015
I thought so. I'll give it a try and let ya know how it goes

If you test please NO RNG 10 thousand spin graph

;D

Quote from: ddarko on Oct 09, 09:23 AM 2015
Don't forget you will also avoid some wins..... :thumbsup:

O0

Yes that is correct.  But I rader loose one win than 3-4 streaks of looses.
The progression recovers better if I use a virtual win.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 09:28 AM 2015
Yes americna ony. Tested both euro and american and due to wheel layout only works on american

However if you must play euro u can configure it to euro i suppose

Do you have a suggestion to how to play this on a euro wheel layout?
I have always played this on the euro and it is stable if you use your american config...

If played on euro look at the 2 wheel layouts and look where to place the bets on euro

Quote from: tuddilue on Oct 09, 09:58 AM 2015
Yes that is correct.  But I rader loose one win than 3-4 streaks of looses.
The progression recovers better if I use a virtual win.

fair enough, I hope that continues for you  :thumbsup:

O0

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 10:03 AM 2015
If played on euro look at the 2 wheel layouts and look where to place the bets on euro

Yes there are big differences. This will be interesting to see how this effects the betting.

Here is one picture for example:
link:://:.casinoseurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/english-and-american-Roulette.jpg (link:://:.casinoseurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/english-and-american-Roulette.jpg)

I will try to figure this out tonight after work.

Look at the wheel layout and just place the bets on the same position on euro. Maybe we can play it as splits. Ill check after work to

..Was thinking,whats the major advantage of this bet selection over something like playing 5 DS washoo style? ..more numbers with less chips.and the hit rate is just as good (if not possibly a bit better). Could do the wait for a VW after a loss as well with gr8 prog too.

Washoo Hit rate should be better because its 30 numbers

Recovery is tougher though

I respect the author and the method but i really like this quads idea at the moment over that

My goal is to refine a progression so this can be static bet

Im thinking possible a continuous

1
2
4
1
2
4

Win or lose just keep doing 1, 2, 4 over and over

Truth is im terrible at progressions and math in general

Need GLC up in here

To the supporters, the testers, and the private messages ive received, thank you

Have you PM'd mister George?  Def right up his alley. usually pretty prompt about replying.

Quote from: tuddilue on Oct 09, 09:02 AM 2015
Interesting progression I will try this out.
I have one question: What is your starting point? Is it 10 or?

Tuddilue

Am starting out at 6 per.

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 09, 01:55 PM 2015
Am starting out at 6 per.

Ken

6 per quad. Win
7 per quad. Win
8 per quad. Lose
6 per quad. Lose
4 per quad. Win
5 per quad

Like this?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 10:35 AM 2015
Look at the wheel layout and just place the bets on the same position on euro. Maybe we can play it as splits. Ill check after work to

This was not easy but a really funny task! I have tried to show it in text but it does not work so I took a screen shot instead. I can of course add the excel if you want this instead.

I have done 3 layouts:
American -> original quad bet on american layout
Europeen -> original quad bet on europeen layout
Europeen modified -> the quad I have modified for the europeen layout

The only thing that is left is 2 numbers that is beside each others: 19,4 and 7,28. So how to fix those two I do not know. Someone who has some tips? Otherwise the new modified version is allot better than the old one on a europeen layout...

My quad bet is this (the x marks the quad to bet):
1,2,3,4
2,3,5,6 x
7,8,10,11
8,11,9,12 x
13,14,16,17
14,15,17,18 x
19,20,22,23
20,21,23,24 x
25,26,28,29
26,27,29,30 x
31,32,34,35
32,33,35,36 x

I have not yet tested this...

Quote from: tuddilue on Oct 09, 04:01 PM 2015
This was not easy but a really funny task! I have tried to show it in text but it does not work so I took a screen shot instead. I can of course add the excel if you want this instead.

I have done 3 layouts:
American -> original quad bet on american layout
Europeen -> original quad bet on europeen layout
Europeen modified -> the quad I have modified for the europeen layout

The only thing that is left is 2 numbers that is beside each others: 19,4 and 7,28. So how to fix those two I do not know. Someone who has some tips? Otherwise the new modified version is allot better than the old one on a europeen layout...

My quad bet is this (the x marks the quad to bet):
1,2,3,4
2,3,5,6 x
7,8,10,11
8,11,9,12 x
13,14,16,17
14,15,17,18 x
19,20,22,23
20,21,23,24 x
25,26,28,29
26,27,29,30 x
31,32,34,35
32,33,35,36 x

I have not yet tested this...

Euro modified meaning you overlayed the wheel bets from american to euro so its essentially the same bet?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 04:06 PM 2015
Euro modified meaning you overlayed the wheel bets from american to euro so its essentially the same bet?

Yes that is correct. I have changed the quads to better fit the europeen wheel.
But I have not succeeded yet. I have reduced 2 threes and 2 twos to only 2 twos.
On the american wheel you do not have any twos so that is the thing that is left.
How do you fix the last twos?  (19,4 and 7,28)

Look at the american wheel and mark off the american quad bets

Now look at the euro wheel and mark off the exact same bet locations

You wont be able to place that bet using quads only like on american

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 04:16 PM 2015
Look at the american wheel and mark off the american quad bets

Now look at the euro wheel and mark off the exact same bet locations

You wont be able to place that bet using quads only like on american

Ok but the coverage was really close. I mean the only thing that is left is those 4 numbers or 2 groups if you call them that.

The coverage on the wheel is really similar. Not the same numbers but the coverage of the wheel. My goal was to not have any groups exactly as you have on the american wheel. I reduced 2 big groups of threes. Now the only thing that is left is 2 groups of 2 numbers each. But is that impossible with quads, then I will leave it...

I am reposting the analysis that I have done of this selection.  I put it in another thread but probably better here:

Okay, here are figures using the selection from your american quads.  Again, these figures were run as if it were a continuous session & with no triggering criteria.

I have included the figures for numbers 1-26 for comparison.  Also I may have included too much information.

15000 spins of an american wheel

RG's AQ - Max run: 22  Max sleep: 6
Numbers 1-26 - Max run: 23  Max sleep: 9

Occurrences of sleeps over a certain length:

RG's AQ
>2: 321
>3: 106
>4: 20
>5: 5
>6: 0


Numbers 1-26
>2: 342
>3: 111
>4: 32
>5: 7
>6: 1
>7: 1
>8: 1

Could do with another, larger sample really but these numbers look pretty positive to me.

Quote from: tuddilue on Oct 09, 04:28 PM 2015
Ok but the coverage was really close. I mean the only thing that is left is those 4 numbers or 2 groups if you call them that.

The coverage on the wheel is really similar. Not the same numbers but the coverage of the wheel. My goal was to not have any groups exactly as you have on the american wheel. I reduced 2 big groups of threes. Now the only thing that is left is 2 groups of 2 numbers each. But is that impossible with quads, then I will leave it...

Ok good thats what i meant. To make this system for euro youd have to bet the same spots on the wheel and have same wheel coverage. Not the same numbers. But we all know that lol

Leesnoos. Max aleep 6 on 15000 spins. Ill take it. Thanks

P.s. leesnoose used real live wheel zumma numbers

Lees u counted 00 as a win right. In zumma it is 37. Thanks

Yes, 0 & 37 both taken as wins.

Thanks for the test it is very good

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 09, 02:01 PM 2015
6 per quad. Win
7 per quad. Win
8 per quad. Lose
6 per quad. Lose
4 per quad. Win
5 per quad

Like this?

Yes.

Based on leesnoos results and what we have all been seeing :

Wait for 2 sleeps then bet prog 1 3 9

Pretty darn close to a holy grail

cant thank you enough leesnoos for that information

i still have not seen more than 3.

RG's AQ
>2: 321
>3: 106
>4: 20
>5: 5
>6: 0

^^in 15,000 zumma spins 5 sleeps max? holy grailish to me

hey silverthorne, i know you are reading this because its at the top of the board, so if you sell this give me kick backs  :xd: :xd: :xd:

So wait for 2 Virtual L's then bet prog 1,3,9 once..stop on win and then wait for another 2 virtual L's?

Sure. Can take awhile but a guaranteed win

Cool.Look fwd to giving it a go in AC next trip.    O0

Will def be hard to watch all those wins pass by waiting though...rarely have the patience.ha...but i guess will be worth the wait if go in with a megatron bet after the 2 L's with the proper BR.

just use 2 bankrolls one for flat ,one for after two or 3 losses
on a losing flat round the bigger second bet should keep the whole betting scheme even
on a winning flat bet round it will just kill

link:://m.imgur.com/gallery/brtcekW (link:://m.imgur.com/gallery/brtcekW)

QUESTION (I have not read every page, sorry).......are these 6 quads chosen solely based on how the numbers are spread out?  Meaning, if we chose 4 different double streets, that would be a no no?

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 09, 10:38 PM 2015
QUESTION (I have not read every page, sorry).......are these 6 quads chosen solely based on how the numbers are spread out?  Meaning, if we chose 4 different double streets, that would be a no no?

Ken

Yes that'd be a nono. The quads r there own system

Guys,

Following on from Azim's comments about this being a good bet due to the spacing on the layout on the American wheel, meaning there is not more than 1 number adjacent to one another not being bet, and the work tuddilue did on the euro wheel quads, showing that this couldn't quite be achieved, I've looked at the euro wheel betting a combination of a total of 12 horizontal and vertical splits, and managed to come with a combination where no 2 adjacent numbers not being bet on the wheel, details attached. Of course this means a higher BR, however, if this is good as it appears to be, this might also be an option for the Euro wheel....

Jim

Hi,  i modified one of my inside trackers ( LW) to 2 of my inside systems also to RG system , tuddilue modified and Jimmie B version.
So tracks all 5 systems (LW) at the same time.  Insert numbers in Sheet 1.

cheers

And here my 24 inside numbers system(european) + tracker.

cheers

thanks for those

im not a big excel person, not entirely sure what im doing there

see attachment

here is how I overlayed it

trying to find a clever way to place the bets on euro

i am not a fan of marty and i do not promote marty but if i continue seeing what i am on the american wheel i will wait for 2 losses in a row, which come more often then not, then do a 1, 3, 9, 27 progression....probably online wheel with low money wagers at first. with max ive seen as 3 losses in a row, and max 5 on 15,000 spin zumma id feel comfortable....the loss would be 1 in 20,000 maybe? with the 2 in a row occurance rate i should have many bets an hour

Is there any interest?? >>> Not betting on the zeros AND +1 after a hit & -2 after a loss.

I have a separate question...... (I dont have the time but maybe I could on Monday?).....has anyone done *EVERY* combination of 6 quads and 4 double streets to see which combination has the numbers spread out the BEST?

Ken

I am iterested in plus 1  minus 2 for sure mr j and i will def play that

But im not interested in leaving out 0 00 because in all my tests that was the difference between 3 in a row and 4 in a row losses. I just place the 0 00 where if they hit that spin is a break even no spin. Not betting the 0 00 also leaves gaps which is what makes this system successful

I personally tested all quads extensively on live wheel auto bet. None performed like this one so i stuck with this one

If anyone tries other combos please post results

So guess current update on rules/prog is +1 on a win,-2 on a loss...wait for a Virtual Win after a Loss and then onward march...heading to Atlantic City this Wednesday.Look fwd to giving it a go with real money at a live table.

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 11, 02:55 PM 2015
So guess current update on rules/prog is +1 on a win,-2 on a loss...wait for a Virtual Win after a Loss and then onward march...heading to Atlantic City this Wednesday.Look fwd to giving it a go with real money at a live table.

Yes you can do that. Mr j knows his stuff. He said he starts a 6 units per position. +1 on a win -2 on a loss

Any other progression ideas?
Ive been trying to find some good ones. Leveller? 1 2 4 8 16 reset on a win. It cuts losses and isnt steep like 1 3 9 27

I will try 1 2 4 8 16 and report back. up on a loss reset to 1 on a win

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 11, 02:58 PM 2015
Yes you can do that. Mr j knows his stuff. He said he starts a 6 units per position. +1 on a win -2 on a loss

Any other progression ideas?
Ive been trying to find some good ones. Leveller? 1 2 4 8 16 reset on a win. It cuts losses and isnt steep like 1 3 9 27

I will try 1 2 4 8 16 and report back. up on a loss reset to 1 on a win

Sorry I should have mentioned this.  Please remember this is a grind system.  Yes it does recover flat betting.
There is no progression which is mild that will recover the loss in 1 win.  You will need 2-3 wins in order to recover your losses.

Please, Please do the right math if you expecting a recovery in 1 win. It will not happen unless you raise your betting units drastically.
That's the only way to recover your losses with 1 win.

Once again, yes this is a strong bet selection. It will not make you rich overnight.
However, not carefully played it will drown you.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 11, 05:23 PM 2015
Sorry I should have mentioned this.  Please remember this is a grind system.  Yes it does recover flat betting.
There is no progression which is mild that will recover the loss in 1 win.  You will need 2-3 wins in order to recover your losses.

Please, Please do the right math if you expecting a recovery in 1 win. It will not happen unless you raise your betting units drastically.
That's the only way to recover your losses with 1 win.

Once again, yes this is a strong bet selection. It will not make you rich overnight.
However, not carefully played it will drown you.

thats why i havent played real money yet

really need to refine a progression....a mild progression is needed....unless u have hours to spare and can flat bet for literal hours

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 11, 08:55 PM 2015
thats why i havent played real money yet

really need to refine a progression....a mild progression is needed....unless u have hours to spare and can flat bet for literal hours

This is a 26 number bet..  There is no mild progression that will recover 26 units lost in 1 win unless yo go 1 5 25 125 (even this is just an estimate) will recover in 1 win. If I even have the progression  right.

What you need is a slow process of recovering your money.

Once again progression is a personal choice.

All I ask and am saying is: This is a bet selection if not played wisely will drown you.

Plus 1 on a win..minus 2 on a loss sounds like the grinder winner to me...courtesy of Mr.J

Onetaste lookin forward to hearing good news

$5 table? $1units?

Going to go with 5 dollar units not covering zero...so 2 unit wins everytime. Going to wait for a VL and play for two wins and then wait for another VL,repeat...Aiming for $50.00 win goal an hour then stop and take a break.Only like 3 or 4 wins are needed an hour playing +1,-2 to reach that goal.I believe that can be achieved.lol..If lose in those few spins after the VL..No sweat.As I know will recover rather swiftly.Generally play all day 8am-7pm.So 50 bucks an hour,not a bad days wage.lol.   O0

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 12, 02:47 PM 2015
Going to go with 5 dollar units not covering zero...so 2 unit wins everytime. Going to wait for a VL and play for two wins and then wait for another VL,repeat...Aiming for $50.00 win goal an hour then stop and take a break.Only like 3 or 4 wins are needed an hour playing +1,-2 to reach that goal.I believe that can be achieved.lol..If lose in those few spins after the VL..No sweat.As I know will recover rather swiftly.Generally play all day 8am-7pm.So 50 bucks an hour,not a bad days wage.lol.   O0

If you have that kinda time you can wait 2 consecutive virtual losses then bet big with 1 3 9 progression.

As shown in zumma 5 loss max and for me 3 and u said you had 4. So go for it lol

Also your idea of betting twice after a VL is a good idea. Rarely do the losses streak.

Youll be ahead no doubt

You can also play bet once after a VL then wait again

Anyone who plays this will have their own way

Ill try mr j +1-2

No RNG

On a average. .... how many spins till that 3 or higher losses in a row occur?

3 or more not too often. Its usually 1s and 2s

1 3 9 will work 99 percent of the time. The 1 percent will hurt though

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 12, 04:03 PM 2015
1 3 9 will work 99 percent of the time. The 1 percent will hurt hough

1-3-9 and keep betting 9 till in profit. Of course wait a vwin so your not getting 4-5-6 losses in a row which soon or late wil creep on you

yeah,betting big 1,3,9 after a double loss is a near guarantee...but if had crappy luck(as i often do) and got to 9 in the progression times a large unit size per quad,i'd be sharting my pants.lol...like the VL then Bet once idea. As yeah,streaks are rare.But have noticed quite a few Win/loss chops.So may be the way to go...only thing to do now is to test real wheel with real money as the ways of the universe are only honest when your physically playing not testing.

Denzie. 1 3 9 stay at 9 till profit works for this method on paper....

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 12, 04:51 PM 2015
Denzie. 1 3 9 stay at 9 till profit works for this method on paper....

Let me explain what I am trying to say->

1) we are betting on 6 quads  and 0/00  for this bet selection.
2) 6 quads at 1 unit  = 6 units lost. I am not playing 0/00 yet cause my lost units are low.
3) 6 quads at 3 units = 18 units lost + 6 from step 1 = 24 units lost.  I am still willing to take a loss on 0/00.
4) 6 quads at 9 units = 54 units + 24 units  = 84 + 6 units on 0/00 = 90 units lost.
5) Playing the same bet as above and win we only win 21 units. if you lose its a 60 unit bet. Your new balance will be 69(win) or 150(loss).

Now you will need 7 wins to recover if you have a loss.

This is a wrong approach  to this bet selection.

MrJ's ->  -1 +1 or whatever it was, is still doable but also risky.

Can someone please correct me if I have made a mistake.

 

I know what you are saying. We need a progression that wont win back losses in one spin

Patience slow and steady

"MrJ's ->  -1 +1 or whatever it was" >> +1 on a win, -2 on a loss.

Ken

As God is my witness, stop with the NEGATIVE progression stuff. Trust me.

Ken

I once was a progression guy. Big money, real big BR's.......damn scary days.

The reason some of us gravitate towards progressions, once you take progressions out of the equation, your JOB for a decent roulette method just got 200% more difficult. We tend to feel "protected" using a progression but trust me, long term, you'll get wiped out.

If you want something difficult to do in life, CREATE a decent method without a progression.

BTW...up as you win is NOT the same thing.

Ken

BTW...up as you win is NOT the same thing.

I will agree to this.
Considering when I am testing my systems at the casino. I always leave my winning bet and sometimes add more to it.

This is not considered a progression in many ways.

Example:
1) Taking advantage of what people call LUCK.
2) Goes back to the same thing as 1. Making more profits while the streak is hot.

Same here (years i speak about this).....flat bet and possitive progressions ....try to avoid losing streaks,, use stop loses.  :)

This is why im being very careful

What do you guys think about 5 bets at 1 unit

11111

If down do 5 bets at 2 unit

22222

So on?

Its a negative progression but mild

Hi RG,

Have a look at his from GLC/Atlantis, thanks guys :thumbsup:, might be worth considering....

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.msg110694#msg110694 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.msg110694#msg110694)

Jim

could Lanky's Divisor save the day ?

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9757.msg120091#msg120091 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9757.msg120091#msg120091)

(this thread has it for columns & dozens)

O0

Who is lanky? Never heard of that cat

For my fellow americans

Since 5dimes is our only live dealer option i have good news

$1 minimum so dont need high bankroll

5 dimes has enhanced payout american roulette. Supposedly house edge only 1%  but could be wrong on that

higher payouts

Please check

See image

link:://:.livedealer.org/blog/2013/05/enhanced-payout-american-roulette-live-dealer/ (link:://:.livedealer.org/blog/2013/05/enhanced-payout-american-roulette-live-dealer/)

There is another option I did years back but SMALL tracking is needed....... +1 on a win stays the same. For a loss, alternate. Meaning, -1 then -2 then -1 then -2 etc etc.

Its basically -1.5 units per loss.

Dont try and remember it in your head. KEEP TRACK whether its -1 or -2.

Ken

So +1 on a win. On a loss -1 on next loss -2 on next loss -1?

Hi guys,
I must mention that although I seem as absolute newbie, I had to create the new account because of strange issue with my email adress. So I'm sorry for that, it was not my intention to change the username (my former was martinnng).
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I'm trying this method a few days (14 cca?) on Dublinbet wheels, live dealers only. Despite the fact that the method is designed for double zero wheels only, I used european wheels with very good results. I saw max. 5 loses in a row (attached pic).

Tried to play with 11111 22222 33333 44444 55555 prog., but have not good sense of it. 1-3-9 must be fatal.
Tried also Ken's +1 -1: It was very slow game with my play and hitted numbers, I was in quite big drawdown for a while. I like tweak +1 on a win and -2 on a lose. Food for thought is second bankroll which was mentioned by Tomla.

So what about this: Normaly play every spin with starting bet 4 units, then +1 on a win, -2 on a los (but this way allows only two loses)
bet 4u: loss, -2
bet 2u: loss, -2
no bet... wait for virtual win and then bet 2u.
After those 2 loses, Tomla's second bankroll comes on the scene: If we suppose max 5 loses in a row, then, after previous 2 next 3 can come. So bet 5u - 15u - 45u. We can utilize this loosing strike and capitalize it (covered 0 too).
I'm not confident about the second part (5-15-45), it is huge and danger progression.

m.

Thanks for the feedback

I tested extensively on euro and american and it just fairs much better on american. On euro the losses are more frequent

If its working for you on euro then keep at it thats a good thing

The more i think about progressions the less i like it. This works just fine flat bet. At times its a grind. Based on my tests i can put a precentage to it. 90 percent of the time youll profit nice in less then 1 hour. 10 percent of the time your balance will drop about 25 percent and you will get nervous but it will recover flat. Every flat bet test i did was A OK

The only time i had a big drop was live wheel, flat bet went from 1000 to 700. Thought thats it this system is over. But i was amazed it recovered back up over 1000 and i was in profit.

I know it works flat bet but i was seeking a progression so i can profit fast but that may not be the answer

That 2 br progression scares me. Brrr

If it recovers flat. Then keep it flat.
No need to rush. PATIENCE.

It's a 24nr bet. As in doz there could be trigger...for example bet after 2L or 3L
RG said the 1 and 2 l's bit frequently.  3l not so much. Why not use a trigger and put the foolproof on it?

Just a thought as I still didn't test it. Just made me think about my 4in a row doz stuff that 2cat tested. I could be totally wrong. In that case....what huh who said that.

Or if Hermes is right...leveller

RG, definitely agree. Progression can mean faster profit, but also faster drop or even death. Even in prog. +1, -2, when we catch the chopping WL for a while, then we slowly drop down, slowly, but surely.
Regarding profit: 10% of BR is fully enough for me. And we can reckon that those 10% is lighter achievable with waiting approach and appropriate betted unit. Rather wait for the safer step than struggling and worrying every spin.

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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 13, 02:59 PM 2015
So +1 on a win. On a loss -1 on next loss -2 on next loss -1?

Yes. It works out to actually be -1.5 on a loss.

Ken

Practice test: fun money
Celtic live wheel

$5 units. Lost $300 flat bet

Max consecutive loss was 3, still

Conclusion: progression needed

Mild please

However on every test 1 3 9 is successful after 1 virtual loss

Its a 24 number bet BUT with this hit rate we can create a good progression. Max consecutive loss real world at 4 as per other members so i will test mr js +1 -2 next

The question is this: on a 2 dozen bet selection guaranteed to hit within 5 spins what would YOU DO?

"so i will test mr js +1 -2 next" >>> Dont forget (if interested) alternate on the losses. -1, -2 etc.

Ken

Will do

With max loss average being 3 its amazing how tough 24 numbers can be.

Im too scared of 1 3 9 27

Id be happy with a progression where you only win at 1st unit level where the rest you break even. Such as:
1, 2, 6, 18

1-2-4-8 stay at 8 till profit.
Once 8 lost (4in a row wait vwin first)

Still playing & teasing it (live dealer, fun m.) and any progression is not working well, resp. I have very bad feeling.
One and only thing that works FOR ME is waiting for virtual loss. Then get in. Yes, we can wait 10 spins, 20, maybe 50, but it is more secure and more advantageous than betting every spin. So waiting is needed. More powerful IMO.

Martin counting 0/00 as a win what is most losses in a row you have seen

And u wait for 1 virtual loss then dive in?

After the virtual loss,how many spins do you play?..flat betting?

No betting on 0 (for now) and I wait for 3 v. loss, than 1-3-9, resp. 4 - 12 - 36 because Dublinbet wheel allows only 40u max bet on quad. So I need min. 9 wins for my target 10% of BR 1000u.
I saw max. 5 loses in a row for now (because of that I wait 3 v. loses).

Quote from: martin on Oct 15, 05:34 PM 2015
No betting for 0 (for now) and I wait for 3 v. loss, than 1-3-9, resp. 4 - 12 - 36 because Dublinbet wheel allows only 40u max bet on quad. So I need min. 9 wins for my target 10% of BR 1000u.
I saw max. 5 loses in a row for now (because of that I wait 3 v. loses).

3 virtual losses happen few and far between so you have patience! Thats good. And you will not lose playng this then

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 15, 05:35 PM 2015
3 virtual losses happen few and far between so you have patience! Thats good. And you will not lose playng this then

Yesterday I played for one hour cca and saw 5 loses in a row two times and 3 loses min. ten times. That's for one hour only.
I think without any doubt that 6 or even more loses will come one day. This way is not much secure, because I suppose that 6th spin will win. Big mistake, but it is fun mode for now. I think it is not ready for real money play.

Quote from: martin on Oct 15, 05:48 PM 2015
Yesterday I played for one hour cca and saw 5 loses in a row two times and 3 loses min. ten times. That's for one hour only.
I think without any doubt that 6 or even more loses will come one day. This way is not much secure, because I suppose that 6th spin will win. Big mistake, but it is fun mode for now. I think it is not ready for real money play.

Not ready for real money play i will disagree on since 15 thousand spin zumma had 5 max. Better then a 2 dozen bet

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 15, 05:50 PM 2015
Not ready for real money play i will disagree on since 15 thousand spin zumma had 5 max. Better then a 2 dozen bet

This different feeling is maybe caused by american vs. european wheel, which I play (incorrect).
Simply it is very very thin ice to rely on one and only spin... and then? Huge loss. (this is meant with 1-3-9 prog.)

Oh i see. You play these quads on euro. Thats why you see 5 here and there.

Ok so 3 virtual losses will suit you then

the euro 12 numbers are still hitting like bonkers on american wheels...think wait 3 losses and then +1 with single chips would be worthy of a test.

YES! it happened

this is my point

see image

on american wheel i see 3 max on occasion, tonight being the night i saw it right away....guess what prevented it from being 4? 0/00

just enough to break even on that spin id bet, nothing big

if playing 5 dollar chips place 1 or 2 on 0/00

I don't see why a simple +1 on a loss -1 on a win wouldnt work...especially if ya wait for a virtual win after a loss.

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 15, 09:43 PM 2015
I don't see why a simple +1 on a loss -1 on a win wouldnt work...especially if ya wait for a virtual win after a loss.

My exprience is that if the loses acumulate in the format like LWLWLW or even LWWLWWL... or something like this chopping, it pushes you BR down. We bet 6u and profit is only 3u.
I repeat, I'm playing this method incorrectly (euro wheel), maybe this is the reason why I see this poor strikes. But I don't see any reason to play the game with higher house edge (0,00).

One taste on american wheel playing then stopping on a loss then waiting for a virtual win again will avoid  3 and 4 loss streaks. Thats a great idea

Martin your differing results have to do with the different layout

played 1 dollar chips today on the quadz for about an hour...+1 on a LOSS,-1 on a WIN...steady as she goes.recovers easily,profits add up quickly.like it cuz you can just relax and enjoy yourself and not be on edge the whole time..soon as direct deposit gets to me...party time with 5 dollar units.with enough of a bankroll,honestly dont see how this can tank.  O0

...system name idea "Ghostbusters"   ya dig?

How much u win bro. Awesome

Ghostbusters

On the american wheel the streaks are nice. Loss streaks few and far between. Naysayers come. Naysayers go.

Not for euro wheel. If u play this method on a euro wheel and have bad results DONT POST THEM HERE. Different thread for that

Keep on keepin on. Winning

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 30, 06:13 PM 2015
American wheel is better for this

2 units 0/00
5 units 3, 5 quad
5 units 7,11 quad
5 units 13,17 quad
5 units 20, 24 quad
5 units 25,29 quad
5 units 31,35 quad

Corresponding European Wheel numbers (converted to splits-quads):

0-2
3-6
4-7
11-12
13-16
17-18
19-20
21-24
22-23-25-26
30
31-32-34-35

Normally, it would be 2.5 units for each split -> rounded to 2 or 3 units
4 or 6 units for the 2 quads and
1-2 units for number 30

Thanks for that!

And onetaste, whats your report?

Did +1 on a loss -1 on a win work out?

Looking at pasts tests +1 -1gets back to 1 unit quickly

Yeah man. +1 on Loss -1 on a win is going to my go to prog for the long haul..On a single loss (which most are) it recovers in one spin.Only thing trying to figure out now is if to wait for a Virtual Win after a Loss.Had mixed results as there are several times when there are LW chops and when this happens your simply skipping over that recovery win and betting on another loss by doing that.Single losses are the norm so i think playing straight through without the VW could be OK as well...I've found that often you have to chop through the weeds of LW's breifly so to speak before the valleys of win streaks seem to always come through.And are often 10-15 in a row before another set of Chops(weeds) appears.Just kinda what i noticed. I played for a couple hours on Saturday with success. Made $130 using single chips.Surveying wheels next few days until that direct deposit gets to me.Keep thinking there's gotta be a catch,some roulette demon waiting to rear its head and disprove this simple yet crazy effective system,but none as of yet.After about a week or so of playing with 5 units,think I will reach that point of being able to take a deep breath and say,holy shit this works for the long haul.It's on...But honestly cant see at this point anything that could tank this one in the long haul.May be wrong,time will tell,but onward f'n march with Ghostbusters at this point!!.ha..Kudos to ya sir!!   :thumbsup:

Single chips 130 eh awesome

Imagine 5 dollar chips.

Question. What bankroll do you think is good if using singles and if using 5s

Let me see if I got this right......you get on a nice mini-winning streak and you lower your bets, correct?

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 19, 11:25 AM 2015
Let me see if I got this right......you get on a nice mini-winning streak and you lower your bets, correct?

Ken

I see where ur going with this lol

But ken, if you are on a streak of say 4 and u increase 1 unit each time, when you lose wont you lose most of your profits on this bet? Im not great at math but seems like you would

+1 on a win then you lose at 6 units thats a big hit?

Can we break down the math on profits

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 19, 10:52 AM 2015
Yeah man. +1 on Loss -1 on a win is going to my go to prog for the long haul..On a single loss (which most are) it recovers in one spin.Only thing trying to figure out now is if to wait for a Virtual Win after a Loss.Had mixed results as there are several times when there are LW chops and when this happens your simply skipping over that recovery win and betting on another loss by doing that.Single losses are the norm so i think playing straight through without the VW could be OK as well...I've found that often you have to chop through the weeds of LW's breifly so to speak before the valleys of win streaks seem to always come through.And are often 10-15 in a row before another set of Chops(weeds) appears.Just kinda what i noticed. I played for a couple hours on Saturday with success. Made $130 using single chips.Surveying wheels next few days until that direct deposit gets to me.Keep thinking there's gotta be a catch,some roulette demon waiting to rear its head and disprove this simple yet crazy effective system,but none as of yet.After about a week or so of playing with 5 units,think I will reach that point of being able to take a deep breath and say,holy shit this works for the long haul.It's on...But honestly cant see at this point anything that could tank this one in the long haul.May be wrong,time will tell,but onward f'n march with Ghostbusters at this point!!.ha..Kudos to ya sir!!   :thumbsup:

We know for a fact that this is an excellent bet selection.

Can I suggest something.  But try it and see if it makes sense...
We don't know when but we do know wins will come in batches.

Wait for 5 losses and while waiting observe how many hits you get. 

If you reach 5 single losses and there have been no win batches, start betting. On a win increase by 1 up to 5(can be any number you decide) to make a second bankroll. On a loss back to drawing board. if still winning start from 1 unit again till you lost that bet. Hoping the run will start.

If you are willing to haul this, haul it without betting.

I hope I was clear.

Thanks azim

Are you in europe? Can you play american wheel?

Based on the hits do you see +1 -1 working long term?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 19, 12:33 PM 2015
Thanks azim

Are you in europe? Can you play american wheel?

Based on the hits do you see +1 -1 working long term?

No I am not in Europe but I have excess to both wheels. Both being air ball.

+1 on a loss  and - 1 on a win the answer is no you will always be down.
-1 on a loss and + 1 on a win the answer is no you will always be down.


Only if you willing to put in hours and have adequate bankroll to recover.
Wait for a few LWLWLW  and start the following...
The +1 on a win (maximum I would say is 3, can be pushed to 5 ) and back to 1 on a loss(or once max winning unit has been reached and start +1 again till a loss) will work.
Do the math.

For any of the above to work you will have to have substantial bankroll and willing to consider playing roulette as a full time 8+ hours  in case of bad runs.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 19, 12:48 PM 2015
No I am not in Europe but I have excess to both wheels. Both being air ball.

+1 on a loss  and - 1 on a win the answer is no you will always be down.
-1 on a loss and + 1 on a win the answer is no you will always be down.


Only if you willing to put in hours and have adequate bankroll to recover.
Wait for a few LWLWLW  and start the following...
The +1 on a win (maximum I would say is 3, can be pushed to 5 ) and back to 1 on a loss(or once max winning unit has been reached and start +1 again till a loss) will work.
Do the math.

For any of the above to work you will have to have substantial bankroll and willing to consider playing roulette as a full time 8+ hours  in case of bad runs.

Interesting idea. +1 on a loss back to 1. Another to try

Noticed quite a few chops through the weeds this morning.Winning streaks few and far between.Guess that comes with the roulette territory..The +1 on a win but capping it at +3 sounds good.Prob the only way i would do that type of prog.

Im so bad at math lol

+1 -1 should survive chops?!

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 19, 02:53 PM 2015
Im so bad at math lol

+1 -1 should survive chops?!

No it will drown you with chops.

Onetaste won 130 units yesterday. Promising

testing right now betting every spin

testing +1 on a loss -1 on a win

and testing +1 on a win reset back to 1 on a loss with a cap at 3 units max bet per position

i like both

with +1 on a win reset to 1 on a loss as long as you get 1 or 2 streaks of 3 the profit is fast

with +1 on a loss -1 on a win it is slower but i believe it is safer

a good bet here but its so tough finding that progression that  makes it comfy, I tested about 10x flat and it won 8 and lost 2 times...one loss was bad 121 units the other loss was minor

 

Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 19, 08:21 PM 2015
a good bet here but its so tough finding that progression that  makes it comfy, I tested about 10x flat and it won 8 and lost 2 times...one loss was bad 121 units the other loss was minor

give some practice on the +1 -1

but still flat bet is ok i have same results winning about 8 out of 10 sessions flat

how'd your +1 -1 testing go Ghost?

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 20, 01:23 PM 2015
how'd your +1 -1 testing go Ghost?

Slower but wins added up. Cant complain

Did you wait for VW's after a loss?

Nope bet every spin

+1 on a win capping at 3 units resetting to 1 on any loss worked ok

But i liked +1 -1 better

Hey RG,

I see you starting a bunch of different topics lately.

Are you going forward with this method as your #1, or is this just another one to test. Hard to tell these days if anyone is using a particular method successfully and showing a profit.

Thanks! :)

Quote from: thelaw on Oct 20, 03:54 PM 2015
Hey RG,

I see you starting a bunch of different topics lately.

Are you going forward with this method as your #1, or is this just another one to test. Hard to tell these days if anyone is using a particular method successfully and showing a profit.

Thanks! :)

This is my #1

Havent played any realy money recently

That will change soon as long as this continues

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 20, 02:24 PM 2015
+1 on a win capping at 3 units resetting to 1 on any loss worked ok

But i liked +1 -1 better

I hope you were not playing every spin...

The instructions were to wait for a few chops to pass by and bet accordingly.
If you got a series of w and a loss . You have to wait for the chops again before betting.

Can't believe it. It worked out ok.

I had ago at this last night playing to wait for the chops. Won about 200 units in 4 hours.

Azim you wait for LWLW then begin?

Good job on winning

So much easier then in depth matrixes

Yes,i'm curious on what Azim's procedure was as well.  prog?

my first real money play on this will most likely be at 5dimes. same feed as celtic. 5dimes only option for us in the US unfortunately. hope they dont screw me. i heard 5dimes is good but they DONT like roulette winners

i could goto my local casino but airball only. and we all know airball can decide where the ball falls. if i do this, i will take azims advise and play at a full airball table. they wont care about my 1 dollar and 2 dollar chips on quads when big money players are betting 25 dollar chips

closest real wheel is 2 hours away in pennsylvania

Just hit up the prog godfather George on any input for this. Hopefully will hear something soon. O0

Quote from: Azim on Oct 20, 04:35 PM 2015
I hope you were not playing every spin...

The instructions were to wait for a few chops to pass by and bet accordingly.
If you got a series of w and a loss . You have to wait for the chops again before betting.

Can't believe it. It worked out ok.

I had ago at this last night playing to wait for the chops. Won about 200 units in 4 hours.

Well done, interesting way of playing.  I have never really looked at American Roulette, not many casinos offer it, I will have to have a look and see if I can find one to give this a test.  Very few sites have historic spins available.

Celtic casino

Fyi a member tests 15 thousand spin zumma longest loss streak 5 on american zumma

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 20, 08:30 PM 2015
Celtic casino

Fyi a member tests 15 thousand spin zumma longest loss streak 5 on american zumma

Thanks, betting every spin or waiting for chops.

I bet every spin practice. +1 loss -1 win

Waiting for chops seems to make it better though

Quote from: orlanuffin on Oct 20, 08:15 PM 2015
Well done, interesting way of playing.  I have never really looked at American Roulette, not many casinos offer it, I will have to have a look and see if I can find one to give this a test.  Very few sites have historic spins available.

Be careful.  My testing has shown losses.

Quote from: doola on Oct 20, 11:53 PM 2015
Be careful.  My testing has shown losses.

Can you provide the american wheel numbers you used to test and if it was real wheel or rng

Hermes was before my time on these forums

here is a quote from him regarding the leveller on a 2 dozen bet:

"In my whole testing period I never got more than 6 losses in row, which is a piece of cake for Leveller. It can happen that sometimes will come even more losses than 6 in row but there must be involved multiple zeros or magnetic ball used lately as a scam device strategy by casinos. "

give me much confidence, as ive only seen personally 3 in a row loss  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

2 dozen bet, being 6 quads with leveller. i shall try this on my method. something tells me this is a good move

as azim says, airball, play at a full table

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 21, 05:53 AM 2015
Can you provide the american wheel numbers you used to test and if it was real wheel or rng

I provided the spins and where they came from previously.

Quote from: doola on Oct 21, 06:25 PM 2015
I provided the spins and where they came from previously.

oh ok

i see

10,000 live spins.......

15,000 live spins yielded max of 5 losses...im curious to see max consecutive loss in your test....ill have to goto roulette30 when i have time and look

im still at 3 max (with an insurance chip on 0/00)

i dont think you are interested in this method, but IF you are try it on celtics american wheel i think you will be surprised

willing to pay a fee to someone who can:

- test a few thousand live american roulette spins
- code it to the leveler progression
- 1 unit on each of the 6 quads, stay at 1 unit until a loss
- on a loss 2 units on each quad. if win back to 1 unit
- if lose, 4 units on each quad
- stay at 4 units until even or profit then reset back to 1 unit

1 unit
2 unit-  (if lost at 1 unit move to 2)
4 unit- stay here until even or profit


anyone interested please let me know your price

4 in a row for you.

Awesome. First ive seen 4 in a row without a 0/00

How many times u seen this?

Can we call it infrequently?

In your screenshot it was a repeater that made it 4 in a row. Geesh

I wonder how leveller does still havent tried it

This is a bot running for you.  It looks like you are lucky and my bot is unlucky.

For those that are wondering, why I don't play my bots myself.

Here is the answer.

Is the bot using any progression or flat?

I found flat bet wins about 7 or 8 out of 10 times

You should set it to progression 1 3 9 reset to 1 after 9 just to see what happens :)

I promote this system because the win streaks can be amazing and 15 thousand spin zumma has 5 loss in a row max

So if played properly its a winner

Im curious azim what your trigger is with chops

How many chops before you begin? When u made over 200 units how did u play

I have used +1 on a win (Max 4 units) and back to 1 on a loss and 1 on a win and +1 on a loss.

If you look at my balance. it has dropped.

I am now working on my instructions regarding waiting on chops.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 23, 11:13 AM 2015
I have used +1 on a win (Max 4 units) and back to 1 on a loss and 1 on a win and +1 on a loss.

If you look at my balance. it has dropped.

I am now working on my instructions regarding waiting on chops.

thats what this is all about finding proper triggger and progression

Even a high hit rate is tricky for 2 dozens

This is what you want to wait for and start betting.


With this is used the same as 1 on a loss and +1 on a win (Max 4).

Just waiting for runs like this one.

Awesome!

What is thee exact trigger though? How many chops? Example

Thanks

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 23, 12:40 PM 2015
Awesome!

What is thee exact trigger though? How many chops? Example

Thanks

After waiting for 3 chops. Here is a run from heaven...  Look at the balance.
Betting was +1 on a win and back to 1 on a loss. However stop betting wait for chops if 2 losses in a row.

Here is the end of your thread...

Azim, your 5 in a row is in fact 6 in a row, because of 0.

Quote from: martin on Oct 23, 01:37 PM 2015
Azim, your 5 in a row is in fact 6 in a row, because of 0.

i have 9 in arow...

Its happening now on celltic...

Like I said,  It's an excellent bet selection if you can play it with a haul.

It won't make you rich over night. However, it can drown you over night.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 23, 11:16 AM 2015
thats what this is all about finding proper triggger and progression

Even a high hit rate is tricky for 2 dozens

I mentioned it again - I play this method incorrect way - european wheel, please, remember it. My trigger is 3 consecutive virtual loses. then attack. We can say - not so many opportunities to bet, BUT, the hit rate is great!

Thanks azim and martin

Id bet 9 in a row is extremely infrequent

Gr8 progression should work to.......

Quote from: martin on Oct 23, 01:46 PM 2015
I mentioned it again - I play this method incorrect way - european wheel, please, remember it. My trigger is 3 consecutive virtual loses. then attack. We can say - not so many opportunities to bet, BUT, the hit rate is great!

After 3 losses how many spins do you bet and how?

At times 3 consecutive losses can take hours

On euro maybe it is quicker for 3 in a row

Here is Euro wheel.

5 in a row...

Euro whe will have loss streaks more frequently due to the quads layout. Can we get a max?

Well this is my conclusion.  I have said this before and saying it again.

It's an excellent bet selection.

Played carefully it will give you a decent profit.

Played carelessly it will drown you.

There is no decent progression to cover 26 numbers and win it all back in 1 spin.

That's like what I have said before also. 

I consider casino as an ocean. I go in with an empty pail come out pail full of water.
No damage done.
Try and go in with a truck. The truck full of water will get stuck on the beach.
Getting stuck on the beach, the next tide will drown you.


Good luck all.

Thanks azim

Maybe try mr Js +1 on a win -2 on a loss?

Roufor- for euro

0-2
3-6
4-7
11-12
13-16
17-18
19-20
21-24
22-23-25-26
30
31-32-34-35

Normally, it would be 2.5 units for each split -> rounded to 2 or 3 units
4 or 6 units for the 2 quads and
1-2 units for number 30

I tried +1 on a win -2 on a loss twice as in 2 sessions and both won-----not enough to know  anything yet
the selection I like

loss streaks don't matter if you simply wait for a VW after a single loss. Problem solved.

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 23, 04:33 PM 2015
loss streaks don't matter if you simply wait for a VW after a single loss. Problem solved.

This may work flat bet

Bet flat till a loss. Wait for VW flat bet till a loss again

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 23, 02:29 PM 2015
At times 3 consecutive losses can take hours

On euro maybe it is quicker for 3 in a row

On euro wheel 3 c. loses are very quickly - maybe every 10 min. of play. Good triger, for example as not main method.
When 3 in a row hit, I play 1-3-9 prog.

cool martin

on euro whats max loss you have seen

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 23, 05:36 PM 2015
cool martin

on euro whats max loss you have seen

On euro max 5 con. loses (include 0) as I posted. I didn't see anything worse for now.
But it doesn't mean that it is not possible. It will be, for sure.

maybe it isnt as bad on the european wheel as i once though

Ohh... In a few minutes after I wrote my max seen loses (5), the bigger streak hits on Dublinbet. 6 loses in a row.

I really don t get it  why bet after vLs ? why don t bet after vW and go for  WWWWs  streaks ?


            
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Thats one onetaste suggested.  I like it

One more thing...no matter what LW strategy will use (and progression) the session from hell will hit sooner or later,
so be prepared and use stop loses . When things go really  bad  reduce bets ( not rise) or include stop play.

 Thats the one thing regarding ANY roulette method........ANY set of rules you have, the opposite happening FROM THAT can/will happen. No such thing as COVERING yourself for EVERY
bad "what if" situation with this game. Murphy's Law....whatever can go wrong, will !

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 23, 07:31 PM 2015
Thats the one thing regarding ANY roulette method........ANY set of rules you have, the opposite happening FROM THAT can/will happen. No such thing as COVERING yourself for EVERY
bad "what if" situation with this game. Murphy's Law....whatever can go wrong, will !

Ken

Yeah....bit like food. From a Macdonalds burger flipped by a spotty 16 year old to a $100 sushi prepared lovingly by the top Chef in the world.
It all comes out the other end the same.
(Sorry about the visual)

My local casino is electronic. About 15 IGT, vegas star airball machines. 3 of which are european.

What id like to do is play at each machine for a few spins and move onto the next machine

Wait for 2 virtual losses play 1 3 9. On a win move to next machine....a thought

Or maybe play 1. Next machine 3. Next machine 9.

Must be a way to exploit when u can move to 15 different machines

I had a go at this and played two sets of 100 spins today on Celtic Casino, results are below:

Set 1 +144
Set 2 -198

This was flat betting and playing every spin. Spin sets are attached.

I just finished 2 more 100 spin sessions:

Session 1 -248
Session 2 -410

Again flat betting every spin with 2 units on 0/00 and 5 on each quad.

Forget about flat bet on this method, please try same sessions on the way i posted before and with Leveller.           Cheers

Quote from: Kattila on Oct 25, 07:23 AM 2015
Forget about flat bet on this method, please try same sessions on the way i posted before and with Leveller.           Cheers

Yes i have a feeling leveller would be good

Quote from: doola on Oct 25, 06:18 AM 2015
I just finished 2 more 100 spin sessions:

Session 1 -248
Session 2 -410

Again flat betting every spin with 2 units on 0/00 and 5 on each quad.

Talk about bad luck

I just dont see it

Played singles +1 on a win -1(or -2 Mr. J's way) on loss with good success today...for a while, i used in conjuction with one of my fav dozens systems in that i eliminated one of the quads in the dozen less likely to hit that worked for the short period i tested.played a bit with 5 dollar units,but to much anxiety involved betting that amount each spin.Will stick with singles for this system from now on....Again chops are frequent,with valleys of wins in between. Was going back and fourth on whether to wait for VW's after losses but the VW def has more pro's than cons...i have an awesome flat bet dozens system i'm working on that am pleased with so far as well. But the quads so far has been a steady earner with patience involved for sure...just thought i'd check in. O0

Awesome. Glad its working for you

Atlantic city?

Quote from: Kattila on Oct 25, 07:23 AM 2015
Forget about flat bet on this method, please try same sessions on the way i posted before and with Leveller.           Cheers

Wait for a virtual win.

Do you increase the bets as you win?

Can someone explain the Leveller?

Leveller is

1
2
4
8

Or
1
2
4

Up as you lose then stay at top level until recover

So 1 2 4 stay at 4 til recover

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 06:48 PM 2015
Leveller is

1
2
4
8

Or
1
2
4

Up as you lose then stay at top level until recover

So 1 2 4 stay at 4 til recover

Ok wait for a virtual win.  Play only the next spin?

Quote from: Azim on Oct 25, 06:52 PM 2015
Ok wait for a virtual win.  Play only the next spin?

To be determined. Not sure lol

I do like the idea of stopping on a loss and waiting for a virtual win then begin again. This way loss streaks wont hurt

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 01:55 PM 2015
I just dont see it

Very few who think they have a good system see it until they lose eveything. 

What you don't seem to understand is that flat betting with this you have to win 2.5 times for every loss. If you get 3 losses in a row, or as I did 4 losses in a row you have to win 7.5 times or 10 times in a row to get the loss back.  Neither of these occur very often.

The good thing I got out of this is that I end up with some American wheel samples to play with for other systems.  American wheel live spins are very hard to come by on the internet for some reason.  The auto rebet option on Celtic makes it very easy to just sit and record numbers as they are spun without having to do anything.  Recording 200 spins took me 2 movies, about 3 hours.

Yeah,i'm still in AC..I've only got 2 more months until my Seven Star comp card expires,so basically living at Ceasers Properties in between work gigs.ha May be heading  to the Harrah's at Lake Tahoe next.Burnt out on AC even though been having pretty good luck.

Quote from: doola on Oct 25, 07:55 PM 2015
Very few who think they have a good system see it until they lose eveything. 

What you don't seem to understand is that flat betting with this you have to win 2.5 times for every loss. If you get 3 losses in a row, or as I did 4 losses in a row you have to win 7.5 times or 10 times in a row to get the loss back.  Neither of these occur very often.

The good thing I got out of this is that I end up with some American wheel samples to play with for other systems.  American wheel live spins are very hard to come by on the internet for some reason.  The auto rebet option on Celtic makes it very easy to just sit and record numbers as they are spun without having to do anything.  Recording 200 spins took me 2 movies, about 3 hours.

What other systems do you use

I think this system is very good. If you avoid loss streaks by waiting for a VW. Need good money management

Quote from: onetaste on Oct 25, 08:02 PM 2015
Yeah,i'm still in AC..I've only got 2 more months until my Seven Star comp card expires,so basically living at Ceasers Properties in between work gigs.ha May be heading  to the Harrah's at Lake Tahoe next.Burnt out on AC even though been having pretty good luck.

They let u sit out for spins or ask u to leave table?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 08:05 PM 2015
What other systems do you use

I think this system is very good. If you avoid loss streaks by waiting for a VW. Need good money management

I don't use many systems, more of a BlackJack player.  One that I ocassionally use and have done really well with is the single dozen one that was suggested in the Preaching thread, not sure who by, but it works surprisingly well.  I have doubled my meagre BR on more than one occasion using it.  Dozens have a habit of repeating, but not streaking.

Quote from: doola on Oct 25, 07:55 PM 2015
Very few who think they have a good system see it until they lose eveything. 

What you don't seem to understand is that flat betting with this you have to win 2.5 times for every loss. If you get 3 losses in a row, or as I did 4 losses in a row you have to win 7.5 times or 10 times in a row to get the loss back.  Neither of these occur very often.

The good thing I got out of this is that I end up with some American wheel samples to play with for other systems.  American wheel live spins are very hard to come by on the internet for some reason.  The auto rebet option on Celtic makes it very easy to just sit and record numbers as they are spun without having to do anything.  Recording 200 spins took me 2 movies, about 3 hours.

Did you bet the 0/00?

I am currently running a bot.
It's waiting for a virtual win. Placing bets +1 unit on a win to a maximum of 5 units. A loss it's going down to 1 unit. I will upload it in an hour to show all. How it does.

If you want to verify it's integrity  record the numbers from Celtic 00 wheel.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 25, 11:07 PM 2015
Did you bet the 0/00?

Yes using the bet layout of 2 units on 0/00 and 5 units on the quads.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 25, 11:07 PM 2015
Did you bet the 0/00?

I am currently running a bot.
It's waiting for a virtual win. Placing bets +1 unit on a win to a maximum of 5 units. A loss it's going down to 1 unit. I will upload it in an hour to show all. How it does.

If you want to verify it's integrity  record the numbers from Celtic 00 wheel.

I had a lot of success flat bettinf

Id bet that if you wait for a virtual win then flat bet there will be some good sesions

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 07:05 AM 2015
I had a lot of success flat bettinf

Goodo, supply some of the sets of numbers so we can see them, I only seem to have "bad luck" any time I play with this method.

Just finished another set of 100, result -221

Currently on spin 47 or my second set and so far -266.  Not many positives so far flat betting.

Quote from: doola on Oct 26, 10:20 AM 2015
Goodo, supply some of the sets of numbers so we can see them, I only seem to have "bad luck" any time I play with this method.

Just finished another set of 100, result -221

Currently on spin 47 or my second set and so far -266.  Not many positives so far flat betting.

Zumma 15 thousand spins and celtic. Lots of flat bet success.

Maybe this method isnt for you doola. Sorry

I think you are trying to hijack the method because it works. Noone is seeing the terrible results you are. Your results dont fall in line with the hit rate. You are having too many losing sessions

Maybe im being paranoid but when members who have been here for years test with success such as what azim is seeing then someone comes along with 30 posts and is a new memeber and posts nothing but losing sessions thats a red flag. Look at the posts in this thread you are the only one with losing session after losing session and i do not beieve it

I dont know about anyone else but i get your point. You posted your losing sessions and you dont believe in the method so stop testing it then, right? You dont think its a playable method. WE GET IT

It may not be the best method but i think its damn good and until i lose on it like you have been i will continue to promote it

Azim in regards to the bot maxing out at 5 units how did that go?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 10:30 AM 2015
Zumma 15 thousand spins and celtic. Lots of flat bet success.

Maybe this method isnt for you doola. Sorry

I think you are trying to hijack the method because it works. Noone is seeing the terrible results you are. Your results dont fall in line with the hit rate. You are having too many losing sessions

Maybe im being paranoid but when members who have been here for years test with success such as what azim is seeing then someone comes along with 30 posts and is a new memeber and posts nothing but losing sessions thats a red flag. Look at the posts in this thread you are the only one with losing session after losing session and i do not beieve it

I dont know about anyone else but i get your point. You posted your losing sessions and you dont believe in the method so stop testing it then, right? You dont think its a playable method. WE GET IT

It may not be the best method but i think its damn good and until i lose on it like you have been i will continue to promote it

Seriously, you must be joking, why would I want to hijack this method? Since when is posting honest results considered hijacking a thread.  You really are paranoid and starting to look like a liar to me.

Explain yourself and while you are at it post some of the great sessions with spin files to prove that you are having positive results.  You demand that of me, so now do the same.  I think you are full of it, so far all I have had is one positive session and 5 disasters.  To me that is enough to say this method sucks flat betting, it might work with a progression, but if it tanks badly flat betting as much as it has, it sucks as far as I am concerned.

I just finished the second session for today and after 100 spins it finished -104 after recovering from -266 in the last 53 spins.  Still not good enough to even consider using real money for me.  This might work for you in your fantasy world, but for me in the real world it sucks.

Quote from: doola on Oct 26, 11:33 AM 2015
Seriously, you must be joking, why would I want to hijack this method? Since when is posting honest results considered hijacking a thread.  You really are paranoid and starting to look like a liar to me.

Explain yourself and while you are at it post some of the great sessions with spin files to prove that you are having positive results.  You demand that of me, so now do the same.  I think you are full of it, so far all I have had is one positive session and 5 disasters.  To me that is enough to say this method sucks flat betting, it might work with a progression, but if it tanks badly flat betting as much as it has, it sucks as far as I am concerned.

I just finished the second session for today and after 100 spins it finished -104 after recovering from -266 in the last 53 spins.  Still not good enough to even consider using real money for me.  This might work for you in your fantasy world, but for me in the real world it sucks.

Ok.  15 thousand spins from zumma say im not a liar.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 11:34 AM 2015
Ok.  15 thousand spins from zumma say im not a liar.

So post them.

Quote from: doola on Oct 26, 11:38 AM 2015
So post them.

I did near the beginning of the thread. And a member put it into a bot and had 5 loss consecutively max in 15 thousand spins

Plus i have no reason to lie i posted the pictures in this thead as well

Sorry u had bad sessions but it does not reflect the hit rate

Not to mention onetaste is winning with it in atlantic city and tomla had good results to. Such is azim. Who admits it will drown u if not played properly

What id like to do is get down into conversation with this method. Not just someone posting results

Id like to get it back on track and hear how azim did with the bot then discuss possible progressions that could work with this hit rate

And doola since you lose every session perhaps play the 12 unbet numbers?

I wonder how this system would be betting the 12 unbet numbers with a single dozens progression  8)

1st test on euro wheel not bad

0 1 4 9 12 15 18 19 22 27 30 33 36

Doola, why on earth do you still test this method flatbet, when it shows you so terrible results? Your huge loses mean that you must have a lose after a lose hits. That huge lose is not possible with chopping scenario. So why to bet every spin? Why not to wait for two or three wirtual loses and then bet. With your uncommon unluck it would not be a problem to catch that 3-loses strike and then - your time is coming! Attack and take the crop.

Quote from: martin on Oct 26, 01:16 PM 2015
Doola, why on earth do you still test this method flatbet, when it shows you so terrible results? Your huge loses mean that you must have a lose after a lose hits. That huge lose is not possible with chopping scenario. So why to bet every spin? Why not to wait for two or three wirtual loses and then bet. With your uncommon unluck it would not be a problem to catch that 3-loses strike and then - your time is coming! Attack and take the crop.

Yes martin thanks for the voice of reason. The bet selections is good. It just needs to be entwined into a strategy.

The point is it is a bet selection that very rarely sees 4 or more consevitive losses. So how can we make that work?

And yes based on doolas results he can become rich with this by waiting for 3 consecutive losses since he apparently sees that extremely often

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 11:13 AM 2015
Azim in regards to the bot maxing out at 5 units how did that go?

It was a disaster. My balance when down by 300 units.

Let me be blunt and say this.  There are people out there with enough bankroll and who are willing to gamble their money away or win with sufficient bankroll.

I will admit, I haven't seen anyone come up this way as betting 2 dozens.
When I looked at the number's you had picked. I was impressed that you were able to place a bet and not have any uncovered number of more than one.

There is no progression that will make this bet selection a winner. It's playing and seeing how the numbers are falling.

Yes, I won 200 units. I haven't been able to replicate that session on Celtic.

I hate to say this but have to. Read reply #86.

My advice, don't go chasing your losses if you get a few. This will drown you in a heart beat.

Best is to play flat bet and say stop/loss of 35 unit's(Tops). If it's your day you will win more than 35 units.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 26, 03:13 PM 2015
It was a disaster. My balance when down by 300 units.

Let me be blunt and say this.  There are people out there with enough bankroll and who are willing to gamble their money away or win with sufficient bankroll.

I will admit, I haven't seen anyone come up this way as betting 2 dozens.
When I looked at the number's you had picked. I was impressed that you were able to place a bet and not have any uncovered number of more than one.

There is no progression that will make this bet selection a winner. It's playing and seeing how the numbers are falling.

Yes, I won 200 units. I haven't been able to replicate that session on Celtic.

I hate to say this but have to. Read reply #86.

My advice, don't go chasing your losses if you get a few. This will drown you in a heart beat.

Best is to play flat bet and say stop/loss of 35 unit's(Tops). If it's your day you will win more than 35 units.

Wow. Im shocked +1 on a win was disastrous

Do you think +1 -1 would work?

I'm officially taking a break from Roulette..playing and thinking about it non-stop for months and living at casinos has driven me a bit mad.lol...have'nt had much of a life outside of it.Time for fresh air and spending time with my nieces and nephews.Maybe hike a mountain or two. I'm f'n burnt out for the time being..Keep up the good fight though fellas.See you all in a few months.   O0

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 03:20 PM 2015
Wow. Im shocked +1 on a win was disastrous

Do you think +1 -1 would work?

Said it before. Unless you use marty and that also aggressive marty, no other progression will work.

Look at the calculations Doola has provided. He is right.

That's why I said in one of my replies. Please do the math right.

The reason why I got interested in this thread was:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14056.msg120374#msg120374 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14056.msg120374#msg120374)

I got my answer. I also got a bet selection that I don't mind taking a chance with in order to attack with my other bots.

However, I am saying it again. If I were to really play this, the progression I would use is the one from Priyanka:


link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0)

Even this one is risky.

Thanks for your time on this azim

I will find a way to make it work.

I believe in it because i had many flat bet sessions with sucess. Many. It freaked me out how good it was performing.

I appreciate the tests but im going to stick with this

Perhaps there is a way to money-manage the sh*t out of this to create a workable long-term system.......... :thumbsup:

Quote from: thelaw on Oct 26, 05:00 PM 2015
Perhaps there is a way to money-manage the sh*t out of this to create a workable long-term system.......... :thumbsup:

That's my goal. Shouldnt be too hard

Just have to try different ways

I had too much flat bet success. Not to mention the consecutive loss rarely breaches 4

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 11:41 AM 2015
I did near the beginning of the thread. And a member put it into a bot and had 5 loss consecutively max in 15 thousand spins

Plus i have no reason to lie i posted the pictures in this thead as well

Sorry u had bad sessions but it does not reflect the hit rate

Not to mention onetaste is winning with it in atlantic city and tomla had good results to. Such is azim. Who admits it will drown u if not played properly

You have never posted spin files in this thread from what I have seen, just some graphics that prove nothing except how to place the bet for this method.  We just have your word that you did well.  All who posted that they didn't do well with this including Proofreader2000, myself and helena you have rubbished.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 26, 04:14 PM 2015
Said it before. Unless you use marty and that also aggressive marty, no other progression will work.

Look at the calculations Doola has provided. He is right.

That's why I said in one of my replies. Please do the math right.

The reason why I got interested in this thread was:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14056.msg120374#msg120374 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14056.msg120374#msg120374)

I got my answer. I also got a bet selection that I don't mind taking a chance with in order to attack with my other bots.

However, I am saying it again. If I were to really play this, the progression I would use is the one from Priyanka:


link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0)

Even this one is risky.

I would never risk real money on this Azim, it fails big time.  The fact that you have to risk 32 units to win 13 and if you lose once it takes 2.5 wins to get back the loss is just too big a risk.  I have hit 4 losses in a row a few times in the 600 spins that I have recorded so far. That is a lot of units to get back.

Quote from: martin on Oct 26, 01:16 PM 2015
Doola, why on earth do you still test this method flatbet, when it shows you so terrible results? Your huge loses mean that you must have a lose after a lose hits. That huge lose is not possible with chopping scenario. So why to bet every spin? Why not to wait for two or three wirtual loses and then bet. With your uncommon unluck it would not be a problem to catch that 3-loses strike and then - your time is coming! Attack and take the crop.

Read the thread martin, RG claimed from the beginning that this method wins really well flat betting, but provided absolutely no proof of this or even spin files for others to test with. When I posted a graph that shows that his claims were false what happened?  If you are going to make wild claims about a method you have to back it up with real results that can be verified.  Not just bullshit about it and expect everyone to believe you.  Think about what you said with the chopping senario, wlwlwlwlwl 13 -32 13 -32 13 -32 13 -32 13 -32 = -95, that is why this loses flat betting.  Forget 3+ losses in a row, the chop senario happens a lot with this.

After reading RG's comments about my initial test I decided to do two things.  Play lots of sessions of a reasonable number of live spins on Celtic to prove that my results were not false and two, collect lots of live American wheel spins as they are very hard to find on the net. Celtic make it really easy to just plug in your bet and let it just continuously be placed until they shut down.  I can just have it sitting in a screen and watch TV while continually checking every few spins to see how it is going and record the results.

I have not and never would use real money with this method, I am not that stupid.

I am not a fan of static fixed position bets. However as many seem to be interested, this is an idea for progression. I have not tested it extensively, but as some people are clearly interested, am hoping will have the energy to test this progression.

1st bet - 1 unit.
1st loss - 3x unit except on 0/00.
2nd loss - you try to recover your loss in 3 consecutive wins.
4th loss - you try to spread your bet by winning 7 of 10 bets.
9th loss - you try to spread your bet by winning 11 of 15 bets.

Every stage you try to get back to the previous stage where possible. You can convert this progression into your quad bet. Let me explain with a few examples. For simplicity sake assume am betting 1st dozen/2nd dozen and excluding 0/00. You can easily convert this for quads in question.

35 - 1 unit. loss
25 - 3 unit. loss. lost 8 units. add 1 to it. 9 units. try winning it back in 3 consecutive wins. You will need to start with 3 unit bet.
16 - 3 unit. win. loss is 5 units. 3unit bet now.
15 - 3 unit. win. loss is 2 units. 3 unit bet now.
35 - 3 unit. loss. lost 8 units. add 1 to it. 9 units. try winning it back in 3 consecutive wins. You will need to start with 3 unit bet.
19 - 3 unit. win. loss is 5 units. 3 unit bet now.
29 - 3 unit. loss. lost 8 units. add 1 to it. 9 units. try winning it back in 3 consecutive wins. You will need to start with 3 unit bet.
6 - 3 unit. win
20 - 3 unit. win
22 - 3 unit. win. So you gained 1 unit.


31 - loss 1 unit.
7 - win 3 unit. gained 1 unit.

34  - loss 1 unit.
18 - win 3 unit. gained 1 unit


35
23
loss and win. +1

7 win +1

31
17
lose and win +1

14 win +1
19 win +1
24 win +1

34 loss
32 loss. try gaining in 3 consecutive wins.
1
1
2
win +1

Hope this is not a grind and at the same time can withstand those infrequent but deep losses.

Thanks very much! The in depth losses are infrequent but we need to recover from them when they do happen. Keep in mind zumma had 5 max

Thanks for the contribution when i get a chance ill study it

This was repeated a few times but priyanka what do you think of on a loss stop betting until a virtual win so you totally bypass the losing streak when they happen then flat bet again after the VW

Post the Zumma spin file RG and I will test them flat betting to show you if it fails or not once and for all.

Quote from: doola on Oct 26, 08:45 PM 2015
Post the Zumma spin file RG and I will test them flat betting to show you if it fails or not once and for all.

I wont post the zumma. Because it is paid for and another member gave it to me.

I sent it to someone who ran it through software it had 5 loss maximum in a row and it happened once in the 15 thousand spins. U can fact check that here in the thread it was posted by said member

I dont do softwares or bots i manually did 500 zumma spins and had 3 max

Flat bet it may fail. That is not the argument

I am trying to exploit the fact that loss streaks beyond 4 on the american wheel are very rare and the win streaks cluster

That is the goal. The goal isnt to prove that static flat betting it can fail. This we know already and is the same for most if not all systems

I personally had several very good flat bet sessions. Thats why i looked deeper into this and so promise


On all my tests i had 4 loss max one time. 3 in zumma within the 500 spins i manually tested.  Azim had 9 once live wheel and he tested it a lot and that was a definite anomaly

Im trying to make this thing work. U dont believe in it so just move on from it

It is a very good 2 dozen bet and i will make it work. The bet selection is fantastic in the world of double dozen

When 15 thousand real wheel spins yields 5 loss in a row max that selection has promise

Edit: i found it

Member leesnoose ran the 15k spin zumma

Results:

RG's AQ
>2: 321
>3: 106
>4: 20
>5: 5
>6: 0

Damm good!

P.s. the forum would be a better place if people were supportive and helped one another and tried to help tweak systems. Rather then insult and pick apart and state it fails because it failed static and flat.....enough dick swingin and help tweak!! Hows that

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 08:34 PM 2015
This was repeated a few times but priyanka what do you think of on a loss stop betting until a virtual win so you totally bypass the losing streak when they happen then flat bet again after the VW

RG - I am from the camp that doesn't believe in virtual losses or virtual wins. End of the day, they don't serve any purpose. There has been much said about it and much written. The problem is there cannot be loss avoidance in roulette for static bets. The loss sequence you are trying to avoid will happen in some form or the other. You might be trying to avoid the loss sequence LLL and hence might be going for virtual losses, but a sequence LWLWLW will inturn bring you back to what you wanted to avoid.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 08:54 PM 2015
On all my tests i had 4 loss max one time. 3 in zumma within the 500 spins i manually tested.  Azim had 9 once live wheel and he tested it a lot and that was a definite anomaly

RG - I have data collected from american roulette live spins of 25,000 and following is the statistics, if that helps in anyway.

1LIAR  - 2964
2LIAR  - 1022
3LIAR  - 290
4LIAR  - 91
5LIAR  - 40
6LIAR  - 14
7LIAR  - 2

Quote from: Priyanka on Oct 26, 09:24 PM 2015
RG - I am from the camp that doesn't believe in virtual losses or virtual wins. End of the day, they don't serve any purpose. There has been much said about it and much written. The problem is there cannot be loss avoidance in roulette for static bets. The loss sequence you are trying to avoid will happen in some form or the other. You might be trying to avoid the loss sequence LLL and hence might be going for virtual losses, but a sequence LWLWLW will inturn bring you back to what you wanted to avoid.
RG - I have data collected from american roulette live spins of 25,000 and following is the statistics, if that helps in anyway.

1LIAR  - 2964
2LIAR  - 1022
3LIAR  - 290
4LIAR  - 91
5LIAR  - 40
6LIAR  - 14
7LIAR  - 2

Thanks a lot

Those results arent too bad!

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 06:47 AM 2015
Thats what im seeing in 200 live wheel sessions. Most come ahead flat bet some just under or even

+1 -1 may be good

Sure beats betting on the 2 dozen that mat has laid out for you

This is why I call bullshit with you RG, 200 live wheel sessions, of how many spins?  It takes me 2-3 hours to gather 200 spins from Celtic.  200 sets of 100 spins must have taken you weeks to collect, why not share your spin sets so we can all test?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 08:54 PM 2015

P.s. the forum would be a better place if people were supportive and helped one another and tried to help tweak systems. Rather then insult and pick apart and state it fails because it failed static and flat.....enough dick swingin and help tweak!! Hows that

That works both ways, you can't say you have had great results (without supplying any proof) then then call someone elses results (who supplies the spin set by the way) incorrect just because they don't fit your "great results" then expect them to be happy and cooperative with you when you won't back up your claims. 

I am not going to waste my time trying to tweak this when I already know from my own testing that it will fail and lose me money if I was ever dumb enough to try this.

Quote from: Priyanka on Oct 26, 09:24 PM 2015
RG - I am from the camp that doesn't believe in virtual losses or virtual wins. End of the day, they don't serve any purpose. There has been much said about it and much written. The problem is there cannot be loss avoidance in roulette for static bets. The loss sequence you are trying to avoid will happen in some form or the other. You might be trying to avoid the loss sequence LLL and hence might be going for virtual losses, but a sequence LWLWLW will inturn bring you back to what you wanted to avoid.
RG - I have data collected from american roulette live spins of 25,000 and following is the statistics, if that helps in anyway.

1LIAR  - 2964
2LIAR  - 1022
3LIAR  - 290
4LIAR  - 91
5LIAR  - 40
6LIAR  - 14
7LIAR  - 2

;D ;D ;D love the LIAR part Priyanka fits RG very nicely. 

If you think putting a -1 karma on me means anything to me RG you are dumber than I could have even imagined.

Quote from: doola on Oct 26, 10:12 PM 2015
;D ;D ;D love the LIAR part Priyanka fits RG very nicely. 

If you think putting a -1 karma on me means anything to me RG you are dumber than I could have even imagined.

I didnt minus 1 karma you. Was not me

Anyway have a good night. Just move on from this method. Thanks

2 to 3 hours. Yes. And u will read i said auto bet for 2 to 3 hours minimum with autoclicker. I stated that several times. Especially when i first started.

Just please move on

"Iam not going to waste my time trying to tweak this when I already know from my own testing that it will fail and lose me money if I was ever dumb enough to try this."

Under 100 posts. The question is WHO are you. Someone thats already been here.....you wouldnt come here and put your focus on me and this thread for no reason. Somethings up. Especially when you think it fails

Priyanka how did you het your hands on that many american wheel spins?

A specific website or purchase?

Based on your 25k spins it looks like waiting for 3 losses and doing a 1 3 9 would win almost everytime. Very promising. Also max u had was 7. So azims 9 must be an extreme

Where to start? First, I deleted a couple of posts, it was necessary.

@doola, you dont like the method, so what? There are worse things in life, trust me.

Whomever gave you the "smite"....again, so what? I could get 50 of them, oh well. @doola >> Please remove your personal text regarding RG.

Ken

Quote from: thelaw on Oct 26, 05:00 PM 2015
Perhaps there is a way to money-manage the sh*t out of this to create a workable long-term system.......... :thumbsup:

It is a workable long system if you want to grind.

Sit at the table and wait for 5-6 losses in a row. Bet once. If you win/lose wait for the next trigger.

This bet selection is like going to work. It will not make you rich overnight. How ever once again if not played carefully will drown you.

When I made my 200 unit's I played it for 4 hours.
It wasn't easy. I always write my numbers from the casino. Trying to replicate that session even after knowing the number's. I haven't been able to replicate that session.
Which just tells me one thing. I just got lucky that night playing this.
I know for a fact that I was waiting for a few losses in chops to go by before I bet.
I tried to do the same and have still not been able to replicate even after knowing the numbers and the chops going through.

I also know a couple of times, I bet 5 units on each quad which was 30 unit's on the layout. I have even worked backwards from the those spins to facilitate my win, i haven't been able to do it.

I have that session which has about 565 numbers.

RG.,
not an American wheel, there are no enough number, (but not recommend)

European wheel, or BV. no zero table.

superbot test:
no zero 17849 spin (no zero well in)
live eu wheel 14003 spin
american wheel 0,00, it can only get worse

Quote from: XXedos on Oct 27, 04:15 AM 2015
RG.,
not an American wheel, there are no enough number, (but not recommend)

European wheel, or BV. no zero table.

superbot test:
no zero 17849 spin (no zero well in)
live eu wheel 14003 spin
american wheel 0,00, it can only get worse

The method is for american wheel layout
Only. Roufor posted the euro bets a few pages back

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 26, 11:45 PM 2015
Where to start? First, I deleted a couple of posts, it was necessary.

@doola, you dont like the method, so what? There are worse things in life, trust me.

Whomever gave you the "smite"....again, so what? I could get 50 of them, oh well. @doola >> Please remove your personal text regarding RG.

Ken

he is a "new" member accusing me of lying. something isnt right. i dont trust him

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 26, 10:51 PM 2015
Priyanka how did you het your hands on that many american wheel spins?

A specific website or purchase?

Based on your 25k spins it looks like waiting for 3 losses and doing a 1 3 9 would win almost everytime. Very promising. Also max u had was 7. So azims 9 must be an extreme

I am willing to run a bot for you to check this out.

Process:

Wait for 3 losses:
Bet 1 if win stop and wait for another trigger.
If above lost, Bet 3, if win stop and wait for another trigger.
if above lost. Bet 9, if win stop and wait for another trigger.

If I lose at 9 which is 3 times. Starting back at 1.

Is the process correct.

If not give me the exact instructions.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 27, 07:06 AM 2015
I am willing to run a bot for you to check this out.

Process:

Wait for 3 losses:
Bet 1 if win stop and wait for another trigger.
If above lost, Bet 3, if win stop and wait for another trigger.
if above lost. Bet 9, if win stop and wait for another trigger.

If I lose at 9 which is 3 times. Starting back at 1.

Is the process correct.

If not give me the exact instructions.

how i was going to test it when i had time was how priyanka suggested

but also this:

flat bet the quads. on a loss wait for a virtual win then begin flat betting again. so flat bet, on a loss wait until a VW, flatbet again. but by all means test that way as well what you have just said. the more the better

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 27, 07:05 AM 2015
he is a "new" member accusing me of lying. something isnt right. i dont trust him

RG, sorry I am sure he is not making you a liar.

What has happened is : When you play the numbers you want are hitting and when we play they are not.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 27, 07:07 AM 2015
how i was going to test it when i had time was how priyanka suggested

but also this:

flat bet. the quads. on a loss wait fro a virtual win then begin flat betting again. so flat bet, on a loss wait until a VW, flatbet again. but by all means test that way as well what you have just said. the more the better

ok so flat bet only once or keep flat betting till a loss again?

Quote from: Azim on Oct 27, 07:09 AM 2015
ok so flat bet only once or keep flat betting till a loss again?

keep flat betting until a loss again then wait for a VW. so when you lose cease betting and begin at the next VW again

Quote from: Azim on Oct 27, 07:08 AM 2015
RG, sorry I am sure he is not making you a liar.

What has happened is : When you play the numbers you want are hitting and when we play they are not.

i spent a lot of time on this

there has to be a MM to make it work. for someone to come and tell me im a liar and to prove it is just internet madness.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 27, 07:10 AM 2015
i spent a lot of time on this

there has to be a MM to make it work. for someone to come and tell me im a liar and to prove it is just internet madness.

RG, If I thought you were a liar. I would have stopped this long time ago. I wouldn't have carried on. Trust me.

Read my reply to this in the beginning.

Can some one please send me instructions on how to upload an avi file.
This way everyone can see what the numbers are.

Quote from: Azim on Oct 27, 07:12 AM 2015
RG, If I thought you were a liar. I would have stopped this long time ago. I wouldn't have carried on. Trust me.

Read my reply to this in the beginning.

i appreciate all you have done, truly

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 27, 07:13 AM 2015
i appreciate all you have done, truly

ok so here are the number's tell me if i have it right or no.

start: Waiting for a loss.
33
23 Trigger We bet 1 unit on 2-6, 7-11, 13-17, 20-24, 25-29, 31-35. No 0/00.
1  We lost we wait.
9
33
24 Trigger We bet 1 unit on 2-6, 7-11, 13-17, 20-24, 25-29, 31-35. No 0/00.
13 We win. Betting 1 unit.
24 We win. Betting 1 unit.
26 We win. Betting 1 unit.
12. Stop Betting.
32 Trigger We bet 1 unit on 2-6, 7-11, 13-17, 20-24, 25-29, 31-35. No 0/00.
28 We win. Betting 1 unit.


Is the above correct?

Quote from: Azim on Oct 27, 07:21 AM 2015
ok so here are the number's tell me if i have it right or no.

start: Waiting for a loss.
33
23 Trigger We bet 1 unit on 2-6, 7-11, 13-17, 20-24, 25-29, 31-35. No 0/00.
1  We lost we wait.
9
33
24 Trigger We bet 1 unit on 2-6, 7-11, 13-17, 20-24, 25-29, 31-35. No 0/00.
13 We win. Betting 1 unit.
24 We win. Betting 1 unit.
26 We win. Betting 1 unit.
12. Stop Betting.
32 Trigger We bet 1 unit on 2-6, 7-11, 13-17, 20-24, 25-29, 31-35. No 0/00.
28 We win. Betting 1 unit.


Is the above correct?

Yes. Just flat bet and on a loss stop betting then wait for a win as the trigger to bet again

You are just flat betting but taking a break during loss streaks

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 27, 07:35 AM 2015
You are just flat betting but taking a break during loss streaks

Here it is:

link:://1drv.ms/1WfGoCi (link:://1drv.ms/1WfGoCi)


Granted it's a short clip.
Does anyone recommend  a good screen recorder?

Doesnt work on phone ill try at home

Lankys 6 point divisor for american quads??

azim just watched the video

man what a pain in the neck to download

not so bad..with .10 units down 2 dollars....there has to be a money management method to make it work

In terms of playing at a CASINO....I can tell you my opinion in regards to "money management".

The better MM you have, the less hourly profit you'll make. Its a sh***y trade off, I hate to admit it.

Its kind of like....its great to have a 98% awesome method but what good does it do you at $4 per hour? (lol)

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 27, 08:50 PM 2015
In terms of playing at a CASINO....I can tell you my opinion in regards to "money management".

The better MM you have, the less hourly profit you'll make. Its a sh***y trade off, I hate to admit it.

Its kind of like....its great to have a 98% awesome method but what good does it do you at $4 per hour? (lol)

Ken

yea and its ashame

plenty of methods win with solid money management but the profit doesnt make it worth it....

UNLESS you are a big money player and play with $100 chips...

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 27, 08:43 PM 2015
azim just watched the video

man what a pain in the neck to download

not so bad..with .10 units down 2 dollars....there has to be a money management method to make it work

I am looking for a good screen recorder.

Well I will let you fight that battle. There is no point wasting good money trying to chase bad money.

Like I said. The stop loss and fixed bankroll is the only money management here really. I have run the bot with all possible MM.  Nothing comes out ahead, as I had expected.
The only time it comes out ahead is when right number's fall(same can be said for other methods/systems). Which means waiting and waiting.

The online site get's disconnected while waiting.

Mr J,

You are right. It's shi*y. However, if you have time to invest, a larger unit value will do the trick, if the table limit allows it.

To sum up...we bet 24nr(doesn't really matter quads, doz , etc)...and we wanna win flat?  Well we all know what gonna happen. No hard feelings RG. But play this flat ....it goes up and down....non stop. If your lucky u sit down at the right time. If you got the patience then you recover. For me the only way it can win is to WAIT till variance gone.then go in.

But a little above in this thread is a much more profitable strategy. He's not your buddy but he's making more money no doubt.

Hope you check it out

Quote from: denzie on Oct 28, 02:29 PM 2015
To sum up...we bet 24nr(doesn't really matter quads, doz , etc)...and we wanna win flat?  Well we all know what gonna happen. No hard feelings RG. But play this flat ....it goes up and down....non stop. If your lucky u sit down at the right time. If you got the patience then you recover. For me the only way it can win is to WAIT till variance gone.then go in.

But a little above in this thread is a much more profitable strategy. He's not your buddy but he's making more money no doubt.

Hope you check it out

By simply betting for a dozen to repeat

idea for tweak:

wait until a hit in one of the quads. this is the trigger

now bet the quads until a win ( 1 3 9)

on a win STOP

wait for next trigger which is a hit in one of the quads even if it is the next spin

Was digging around the net and discovered this gem.Lanky's take on betting 6 quads.Think this may be the missing link.Using LW's, bet splits on the numbers not covered.

link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1198177659/s-0/ (link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1198177659/s-0/)

So if a method is DAMN GOOD, why no more posting of this AND I thought Turbo's 4 number method is GREAT? (not insulting it mind you).

Point being, this game is *MUCH* *TOUGHER* than people WANT to believe or even discuss. Not to mention, posting a method that is PLAYABLE at a REAL casino. Throw that into the mix and things just got even more tough.
I like NO progressions, much less....3, 22, 164, 733, 1,860, 5,481, 9,424, 13,429 etc.

Come on guys, F**K the charts from pretend land. Also not to mention......a chart drops down to
minus $9,540 but then slowly starts heading back upwards. (lol) You can NOT claim success on that!

Real playing situations MUST EQUAL real testing situations !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey look, its positive after 3K spins, cool !! (H.G. dance)

Would you of played 3K spins? Nope so those positive results are USELESS.

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Nov 08, 12:55 PM 2015
So if a method is DAMN GOOD, why no more posting of this AND I thought Turbo's 4 number method is GREAT? (not insulting it mind you).

Point being, this game is *MUCH* *TOUGHER* than people WANT to believe or even discuss. Not to mention, posting a method that is PLAYABLE at a REAL casino. Throw that into the mix and things just got even more tough.
I like NO progressions, much less....3, 22, 164, 733, 1,860, 5,481, 9,424, 13,429 etc.

Come on guys, F**K the charts from pretend land. Also not to mention......a chart drops down to
minus $9,540 but then slowly starts heading back upwards. (lol) You can NOT claim success on that!

Real playing situations MUST EQUAL real testing situations !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey look, its positive after 3K spins, cool !! (H.G. dance)

Would you of played 3K spins? Nope so those positive results are USELESS.

Ken

Yea i hate seeing long tests. Its an argument that will go on forever.

One tastes 1 2 3 dozen is pretty darn close to an HG

Ive tested about 500 spins on paper and had 5 losses......as in 5 times i saw 1 2 3

I dont think ill find better

...but lets say you would PLAY 300 spins, 300 spins should be your test. (even thats a lot. Average at a CASINO is 40 spins per hour so thats still 7.5 hours of play).

Your BR is $800. Lets say during testing at 155 spins, you are DOWN to -$800 but for the next 145 spins, the chart shoots up to a profit of $130 (at 300 spins). You did NOT win. You would of been done at minus $800.

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Nov 08, 01:36 PM 2015
...but lets say you would PLAY 300 spins, 300 spins should be your test. (even thats a lot. Average at a CASINO is 40 spins per hour so thats still 7.5 hours of play).

Your BR is $800. Lets say during testing at 155 spins, you are DOWN to -$800 but for the next 145 spins, the chart shoots up to a profit of $130 (at 300 spins). You did NOT win. You would of been done at minus $800.

Ken

Exactly! I agree 100 percent

Im going to playe for an hour. Take my profit and leave

Ill be long gone before for example 1 2 3 happens