Pretty simple. .....
We choose the ec we like or all of them...
We bet 1 unit. On a hit we parlay it to minimum 8times in a row. Cuz from there it gets worthy of our time. If we not get a hit we start again. That's it. I see the ec's get those streaks each session I play. No not 14times in a row. But 8 -9-10.... I do get a lot. For sure when a ec is behind on the other. (%)
RRRRRRRRRR. ....
1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024-.....
YUP BORING....wanna bet it works? :thumbsup:
It's just less stressful to play with the casinos money instead of your own. TV on ..laptop next to you...chill....at the end of the movie your in profit.
dont doubt that it works but 4-5 parlays seems like a long enough stretch:)
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 10, 08:41 PM 2015
dont doubt that it works but 4-5 parlays seems like a long enough stretch:)
I'm going for the big bucks these days.
All up to each personal feeling though.
go for it Denzie, the 8-10 do happen in a row----i just get nervous lol
Thank you Denzie, Parlay needs to be on the Menu of the player!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 10, 09:32 PM 2015
go for it Denzie, the 8-10 do happen in a row----i just get nervous lol
Lol I understand. But let's say you lose on the 5th or 6th...you lost 1 unit. That's the beauty of it. Just waiting for that streak to be there...and cash in.
Of course we can start at 2u too etc...
Or we can go for this ....RBRBRBRBRB
Or play both at the same time but separated br..
There some options....I'm not gonna say hg but I do say it's a money maker. In fact the only way it SHOULD lose if you run out of time to play.
Quote from: nextyear on Oct 11, 02:43 AM 2015
Thank you Denzie, Parlay needs to be on the Menu of the player!
Your welcome. And yep totally agree :)
@GLC or anybody who knows...
I saw GLC posted the results of 22000spins...where the nr of streaks and doz etc got repeated....
Unfortunately I can't find it anymore :(
If you could provide that link pls?
Would be much appreciated .
Denzie
Did you search on GLC's profile and link to all his posts?
or this might help with stats......
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=5908.msg35936#msg35936 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=5908.msg35936#msg35936)
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12973.msg111844#msg111844 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12973.msg111844#msg111844)
Good luck Denzie.
Remember this isn't foolproof so only recreational money!
Also, I have tried this a little different style with decent luck. Parlay a win until you reach a new profit. It's more of a grind, but you can walk away with a decent profit numerous times before you find yourself in a large drawdown fighting for your life.
One last thought. If you're deep in the hole, and win on 5 or 6 parlays, you might think about ending your streak to recover most of what you're in the hole. I know, you'll be kicking yourself in the ### if it goes on for 8 - 10 wins. It's just an option for those of us who have an abundance of chicken in our system.
GLC
Thank you George, much appreciated.
On that test. Red 8times in a row 28 times
Black 43 times...all in 20k spins.
In other words....1000u /ec should come out ahead. That's what I've tried to point out.
But of course if those 8in a row just doesn't come...take the 5-6 (which come very frequently ).
Today I've played for almost 3 hours till I've got my target. My br was going down..but I hit my 8th and I was done. If I would play some 5 or 6 I've would profit faster. I play B/R/H/L/E/O .
As always don't bet money you can't afford to lose
Just finished a session where I bet a ec would get a second hit. So I jump around the ec's. After playing 70minutes I've got 11 in a row.
It's all about luck of course...
this is picking 1 EC and betting on it? and on a win parlay it over and over?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 11, 09:03 PM 2015
this is picking 1 EC and betting on it? and on a win parlay it over and over?
Basically yes. But it can be played in different ways. Yesterday I've done a long session going for 8 in a row. Played all 3 ec's. It toke a long time but I got it though. Now and then just take the 5-6 in a row. Keeps the br in check. As GLC said also.
Playing those hours I saw the ec's like to come 2-3 times in a row. So I started betting that if black just came...another black would come. Stop. Then for example even came. I bet 1 more time for even. So I jump around the ec's. It made me +1400u
But it's all about luck I guess.
5-6 in a row happens frequently. This I need test more. But reset from there.
Are you playing this while you wait for the triggers for PA style, or have you abandoned that one and moved on?
That's a dangerous topic isn't it. But since you asked , I'm playing it on a daily basis. Before it almost didn't lose. Now thx to a very respected member ....it still need to lose for the first time. I know it gonna. But sorry to say it....don't shoot me...P.A. was trying to tell us something on his very strange way.
I also play MrJ's flat 4 and 8train with much success. I've tweaked the train a bit and it holds very nice. The flat 4 I keep as it is. Exept a very mild progression. My advice(if intrested) TRY IT . The train does lose but the profits is a lot more than the losses. The 4 flats seem to be a WINNER.
And then I'm playing some Lanky and ec's and 4doz in row. That's my arsenal.
I just play what I feel like playing. Mostly 2 or 3 at the same time. But it's around 4 hours a day now.
I'M GONNA WRITE IT ONE MORE TIME SO PEOPLE START PLAYING IT....FLAT 4 DOES WORK . I can only say the more people playing and testing and posting results the faster we can believe in it. As long as 20 people test each another system/strategy we get nowhere. But if 20 test the same then....
Thanks for the update....
Still trying to apply everything to my bacc w/L results. Under 50% sessions I am able to avoid losses easier and turn most of them into profit, but when it comes to strike rates 50% or better, it does not perform as well as flat betting, sometimes even losing sessions that have over 50% strike rate.
I am stubborn and will stick at it though ::)
Quote from: Big EZ on Oct 12, 10:53 AM 2015
Thanks for the update....
Still trying to apply everything to my bacc w/L results. Under 50% sessions I am able to avoid losses easier and turn most of them into profit, but when it comes to strike rates 50% or better, it does not perform as well as flat betting, sometimes even losing sessions that have over 50% strike rate.
I am stubborn and will stick at it though ::)
My apologies as I still didn't look on that. It's all about stable bet selection. ..wait (clustered) losses and then carefully go in to catch the clustered wins. A virtual win does help with that. In other words. ...if it's more then 50% I probably don't go in. PATIENCE. Now finish it with a mild progression.
Good luck
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 10:09 AM 2015
That's a dangerous topic isn't it. But since you asked , I'm playing it on a daily basis. Before it almost didn't lose. Now thx to a very respected member ....it still need to lose for the first time. I know it gonna. But sorry to say it....don't shoot me...P.A. was trying to tell us something on his very strange way.
I also play MrJ's flat 4 and 8train with much success. I've tweaked the train a bit and it holds very nice. The flat 4 I keep as it is. Exept a very mild progression. My advice(if intrested) TRY IT . The train does lose but the profits is a lot more than the losses. The 4 flats seem to be a WINNER.
And then I'm playing some Lanky and ec's and 4doz in row. That's my arsenal.
I just play what I feel like playing. Mostly 2 or 3 at the same time. But it's around 4 hours a day now.
I'M GONNA WRITE IT ONE MORE TIME SO PEOPLE START PLAYING IT....FLAT 4 DOES WORK . I can only say the more people playing and testing and posting results the faster we can believe in it. As long as 20 people test each another system/strategy we get nowhere. But if 20 test the same then....
Hi Denzie,
Is this the MrJ 4 number system you bet?
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3043.msg27908#msg27908 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3043.msg27908#msg27908)
Jim
Quote from: JimmieB on Oct 12, 01:52 PM 2015
Hi Denzie,
Is this the MrJ 4 number system you bet?
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3043.msg27908#msg27908 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3043.msg27908#msg27908)
Jim
Yep that's the one. I'll hope you give it a few shots. Personally I use a mild progression but most of the time I not need to use it.
Thx for your intrest.
All credits go to Mr J
Thanks Denzie :thumbsup:, and yes credit does indeed go to MrJ, I play a few of MrJ's systems from time to time, and I do like them :)
Jim
Hmm just tried to parlay the dozens. 5 steps and stop. Got it two times in less then a hour. Someone got experience with this?
Probably luck
I just guess the first 3 hits and then I go in after 3 same doz in a row.
(On the ec's so far stop after 5/6 hits is making nice profits)(for the longer streaks chopping seem to get there faster)
Any stats on how many times a dozen streaks to 3+ in 100 spins?
Or is there any way to figure that out mathematically?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 11:08 AM 2015
wait (clustered) losses and then carefully go in to catch the clustered wins.
I really appreciate this info you are sharing. When you say clustered, do you have specific parameters for that? Do you mean back to back xxxxxWW is this considered a cluster xxxxxxWxxWxxWxxW or how about this one xxxxxWxxxxWxxxxWxxxWxxxW how many hits in how many bets is considered a cluster
Quote from: Big EZ on Oct 13, 10:56 AM 2015
Any stats on how many times a dozen streaks to 3+ in 100 spins?
Or is there any way to figure that out mathematically?
It should be hovering around 11 times in 100 spins.
Quote from: Big EZ on Oct 13, 10:56 AM 2015Do you mean back to back xxxxxWW is this considered a cluster xxxxxxWxxWxxWxxW or how about this one xxxxxWxxxxWxxxxWxxxWxxxW how many hits in how many bets is considered a cluster
The x's are clusterd yes. That would make it almost time to bet if it wasn't that the W's are really not clustered. I still got no bet on those examples. And with that many x's ....soon you would win flat right?
thanks denzie :thumbsup:
how about this as clustered
WxWxxxxWxWxWxxxWWxWxxWxWWx
WxxxWxxWxWxxxWxWxxxWWxxxWxWxxxWxxxW
WWxWxxxWxWxxWWxxxxxWxWxWxxxWWxxWxWxxW
As far as "mild progression" do you lean towards series ex:111 222 333 444
Nobody tried parlay or MrJ's ?
O well I've tried.
Adios
Hi Denzie,
Can I ask what you slight tweak to 8 train is?
Thanks
Jim
This works extremely good. I play it on fast rng. Bet the opposite and parlay to 3 steps...wait a after a streak of 5or more of the same and resume your 4th step..
RBR STOP
RRRRR...WAIT
RB..go in again RBR
It works every day so far. 3x3 works
In short...u need to win 3x3 parlays.
I kid you not....as ace ventura would say....like a glooooooovah
Just finished 3x2 parlays. Got it 2 times in less then 100 spins. I just ftl for my first 3. We got that pretty fast. The last 3 I put which ec is behind %. As soon the lowest side hit I follow it for 1 or 2 times. Wait for a switch and bet that side . 1-2-4-8-16-32= 63 units.
3x3 can take longer or 4x4 ...up to your feeling. Anyway this really profit nicely.
Good luck
I'm around + 60 a day...
Starting to look into the parlay more and more......
Just for clarification sake and to make sure I am understanding the right way, when you say 3x3 does that mean 3 attempts that were successful 3 times?
As far as triggers you say...
Quote from: denzie on Oct 28, 02:19 PM 2015
Bet the opposite and parlay to 3 steps...wait a after a streak of 5or more of the same and resume your 4th step..
RBR STOP
RRRRR...WAIT
RB..go in again RBR
So does that mean you always play until a streak of 5 comes ?
ex:
rrrbrrrrbbbrrrbbrbrrrrr STOP here and wait until B comes and continue until another streak of 5?
Then in next post you say
Quote from: denzie on Oct 29, 04:46 AM 2015
Just finished 3x2 parlays. Got it 2 times in less then 100 spins. I just ftl for my first 3. We got that pretty fast. The last 3 I put which ec is behind %. As soon the lowest side hit I follow it for 1 or 2 times. Wait for a switch and bet that side . 1-2-4-8-16-32= 63 units.
Does this mean you choose to play either FTL or OPPOSITE just depending on how your feeling and both are successful?
Thanks in advance for your time and patience
It's all about luck I guess. But it's working very good. The way I play it now ...I'm looking if they chop or not. If they chop I bet against the last . If they streak I ftl. I'm going for 3x2 ( 1-2-4 and 8-16-32). After I got my first 3 hits I then look which ec is behind in combination with how they come. Chop or not. I'm waiting for streaks now. Then I go in for another 1 or 2 hits. Wait till it changes side en follow there. But it's all about luck and feeling. I use 50units br. It does bust . No doubt. But so far the profits rising pretty high.
Of course many way to decide how and when to bet.
Denzie you keep promoting this so now you have my interest
Choose an EC and bet a positive marty on it?
1 unit. Win. 2 unit win. Bet 4 unit. Win. Bet 8 unit. Win. Bet 16 unit. Reset to 1 on a loss
The goal is to have a set win goal and stop. Because if you lose at 16 u lost all profits
So if win 1 2 4 8 16 now stop
Can you post 185 spins here as they did in the other thread? (With red and black so it's easy to see).
Been testing with autoroulette and I profit damn good. (0,10-10000). I'm starting small Cuz we need some gambling cahones.
Set em up
Airball can be streaky thats right
U can just save it and attach them here if u want them here
Where do you stop? 16? Or 8?
I really like the idea but can you detail how u play it. Thanks
Wow...now this is a real good one.
Where I stop? At step 10 (1-2-4-8-16-etc).
A few questions. ..
How many times we see 10 in a row?? ---> not much sadly.
How many times we see 10 in a row with 1 or 2 Or 3 of the other side in?? ---> A LOT.
Soooo ..... what if we put those we lost out of our own pocket? How many times you would get 10 steps here in this pic ???
Take a good look and see how much you make here.
Hope some members jump on this. Cuz it's worthy of our time. I'm not gonna play 40 pages of riddles . Just want you guys to see it. And if possible help improve it.
I see
Good work on this
So say choose black. Continuous bet 1 unit on black on a win parlay it on a loss back to 1 unit and have a win goal
I ask the win goal because if u lose at 32 units u have lost all profits
I'm talking 10 steps. (1020units) minus the ones we invested along the way.
Look again pls. Your missing a lot of money
Quote from: denzie on Nov 05, 01:27 PM 2015
I'm talking 10 steps. (1020units) minus the ones we invested along the way.
Look again pls. Your missing a lot of money
Ok. I see. The goal is to parlay 10 times?
Quote from: denzie on Nov 05, 01:11 PM 2015
Wow...now this is a real good one.
Where I stop? At step 10 (1-2-4-8-16-etc).
How many times we see 10 in a row with 1 or 2 Or 3 of the other side in?? ---> A LOT.
Soooo ..... what if we put those we lost out of our own pocket? How many times you would get 10 steps here in this pic ???
Take a good look and see how much you make here.
Ok im slow to grasp this
What do you mean here ^^
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 05, 01:31 PM 2015
Ok. I see. The goal is to parlay 10 times?
Yep. Or 8-9 if we get them nicely in a row.
But this time will tell what's best.
Quote from: denzie on Nov 05, 02:11 PM 2015
Yep. Or 8-9 if we get them nicely in a row.
But this time will tell what's best.
I dont see a EC repeat 10 times often so im trying to understand what you are saying
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 05, 01:38 PM 2015
Ok im slow to grasp this
What do you mean here ^^
RRRBRBBRRR
RRRBRBBRRR
RRBRBRRRRR
RRRRRRBRRR
Etc...these happen all the time.
Soooo what to do with those who disturbing our 10 in a row?
On the pic.... look row 4-5-7-8 (started from bottom )
I understand. I see
You have to do something with what has disrupted the 10 in a row. But what?
When you hit that all profits lost. Wait for a win and restart where you left off?
How are you doing it?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 05, 02:58 PM 2015
I understand. I see
You have to do something with what has disrupted the 10 in a row. But what?
When you hit that all profits lost. Wait for a win and restart where you left off?
How are you doing it?
Your almost there. Yep What to do with those interrupts? Pay from our own pockets maybe ??????
Line 3 also good btw. Hope some more members help here. That 185 spins is a dream.
More things need to be filled in....what side we bet ? Both? Where to chip in and where not? If you got all this then you make the big bucks.
Well when you want to tell me im all ears. Or when someone figures it out hopefully they tell me.
The answer already there RG. Just give it a minute and look at the pic. No more riddles. Just wanted you to find it. let it sink in and i get back to it if nobody tries.
Quote from: denzie on Nov 05, 03:13 PM 2015
The answer already there RG. Just give it a minute and look at the pic. No more riddles. Just wanted you to find it. let it sink in and i get back to it if nobody tries.
Will look after work
the parlay doesn't have to be on RRRRRRRRRR or BBBBBBBBBB ?
Soooo........
If the last ten spins were RBRBRBRBRB
You parlay RBRBRBRBRB on the next ten spins ?
Resetting after a loss.
O0
Ddarko...the parlay can be on RBRBRBRBRB TOO.
But I'll use the pic for example.
From bottom to up...row 7...first we get
RRR BBBB 0 BBBBBB (playing black)
So that means the 0 is breaking our 10 in a row. How can we fix that ? What if we pay that 0 from our br? You still have enough profit left ? I think now you will understand.
There even can be more then 1 row breaker.
Catch my drift?
RR B RRR B RRR
R B RRR B RRRR
RR BB RR B RRR
if the row be broken early then it's no big deal to refill that loss. In my last example you can see BB come in 3th and 4th spin .
Hope it's getting clear.
(We playing red)
well it looks like your betting the zero as well, apart from that no, not clear at all.....
Don't worry about it, it's not like I've spent a lot of time looking into it :thumbsup:
O0
is it possible you are parlaying red but still putting a unit (or at least something)
on black (as well as zero) ?
I think it's called differential betting ?
That's all I've got.... ;)
O0
RRR BBBB 0 BBBBBB
R-1
R-1
R-1
B+1
B+2
B+4
B+8
0-16
B +48
B+64
B+128
B+256
B+512
Row 8
R B RRR B RRRRRRRRR
R+1
B-2
R+6
R+8
R+16
B-32
R+96
R+128
R+256
R+512
Reinvesting your own BR after the miss to continue progression....very interesting
Whats do you do if that is unsuccessful, start over at 1?
R+1
B-2
B-6
or would next bet be 16?
Quote from: Big EZ on Nov 06, 02:17 AM 2015
Reinvesting your own BR after the miss to continue progression....very interesting
Whats do you do if that is unsuccessful, start over at 1?
R+1
B-2
B-6
or would next bet be 16?
Here I would reset. Cuz it's 2 losses . But we could put 16 . I just wouldn't do it as it looks like chopping coming up. Of course I could be totally wrong. But I can't see the future.
I'm more like 3 or 4 in a row b4 the progression break. Then try to fix it . At step 9 I wouldn't do it anymore . Cuz to much invest. Although many times it would profit.
At step 2 I would fix it also Cuz it's a very small invest. At step 3 too. But I wouldn't fix 2 in a row.
I must say. A new idea.
Taking from your own pocket the loss
But then we hope to have the win at next spin pretending that last spin was a win
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 06, 06:51 AM 2015
I must say. A new idea.
Taking from your own pocket the loss
But then we hope to have the win at next spin pretending that last spin was a win
Exactly. I'm been playing around with this and the profits are really high. Higher as I ever experienced myself.
As we go for +1000 we can afford to lose a few bets along the way. But if someone can help to improve this....feel free to help.
MM.... br 500 .... Wingoal 1000
Again it's still in testing area but so far I'm up +2000â,¬ knowing my basebet is 0,10â,¬ . At these low stakes I do fix at step 8 and 9 too.
Quote from: denzie on Nov 06, 07:15 AM 2015
Again it's still in testing area
When playing for real (I assume at an online casino) I hope they don't accidentally on purpose disconnect you......
BR 500 for a 0.10 first bet correct ?
That means to play in a B&M casino £5 (table minimum on EC) first bet you will need a BR of £25,000 ?
O0
Yes online. And my casinos don't do things like that.
With 0,1 is 50 br
1 is 500 br
Right okay, I was just using what you wrote here & got 2+2 = 5
Quote from: denzie on Nov 06, 07:15 AM 2015
MM.... br 500 .... Wingoal 1000
Again it's still in testing area but so far I'm up +2000â,¬ knowing my basebet is 0,10â,¬ . At these low stakes I do fix at step 8 and 9 too.
So what would be the result of these 10 spins betting B pls.....
B
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
BTW if your only testing & haven't played for real, don't be so sure "your" casinos don't do that ;)
They are a business & if you are doubling your BR every session, well, they aren't going
to like that are they ?
Forgot to ask, have you had a losing session yet ?
O0
On B I lost 10 units.
On R I won +500 Cuz I play both.
Of course they don't like but as long they not kick me out I keep going. And there is more than 1 casino or account in this world. And with that attitude you better leave the gambling scene.
You should know I'm playing on a daily basis. 0,10 is nothing aka testing money.
A bust is 50â,¬. When I play my other stuff I put 10â,¬ minimum to ..........
Yep I've lost a few times. As any strategy.
I'll follow the advice of some members and ignore him.
Anyway hope some can help improve this parlay
My attitude is just fine thanks, if I'm not in front of a person actually spinning the ball
I'm cautious is all.....
If your playing both sides what run of 10 spins can kill you then ?
I have no idea how hard / easy it is to track / know how much to bet, but if you can surely
playing all 3 Ec's means 3 times the profit in the same amount of time no ?
O0
Ooops didn't see your reply, fine ignore away, after all RG knows best right ?
O0
I dont know best
Plenty here smarter then me
Im just smart enogh to see your trolling him and its not called for
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 06, 10:28 AM 2015
I dont know best
Plenty here smarter then me
Im just smart enogh to see your trolling him and its not called for
I'm asking him questions about a system / method of play he posted here.
You think that's trolling......
You wish to discuss this more open, up a separate thread. That will keep this thread clean.
O0
The way u go about it is obvious. Its not cool. Be cool ddarko? Come on
Anyway nobody wanna join....sad
Really hope some members try to help .
I'm not the mathematician
I did won + 600 today.(60â,¬ small stakes)
Or maybe it's luck. Time will tell
Bingo
I love this way of playing. Great results without risking a huge bankroll.
I tried to play this way but reset after a new high. So stop the parlay if you recovered. You can also lower your bet if you don't need the full parlay to recover.
Yeah so far I'm getting great results as well. Still not sure how to play this best but ...
I'm trying to start at step 4. This way I avoid playing both sides and the invest is still ok. Cuz I still aim for 10 steps.
But stopping when recovered works nicely.
So far nothing made more profits then the parlay. Even a bust you get back in 1 or 2 sessions. Will see what the future brings....
Quote from: denzie on Nov 10, 08:03 AM 2015
Yeah so far I'm getting great results as well. Still not sure how to play this best but ...
I'm trying to start at step 4. This way I avoid playing both sides and the invest is still ok. Cuz I still aim for 10 steps.
But stopping when recovered works nicely.
So far nothing made more profits then the parlay. Even a bust you get back in 1 or 2 sessions. Will see what the future brings....
What is against playing both sides? Because only 1 unit extra on the table. Or 1 unit less if you deduct it from the parlay bet.
Nothing Eddy, I'm just trying to find the best way to play this.
How exactly you play? You stop the parlay as soon your in new profit?
Do you invest somewhere in the parlay or you reset each time you hit the wrong side?
All help is welcome. I just go for 10 steps and invest a bit along the way.
Just look how much this makes...
Just bet on the last color to hit parlay style. Eventually you will hit your streak
Quote from: denzie on Nov 10, 08:39 AM 2015
Nothing Eddy, I'm just trying to find the best way to play this.
How exactly you play? You stop the parlay as soon your in new profit?
Do you invest somewhere in the parlay or you reset each time you hit the wrong side?
All help is welcome. I just go for 10 steps and invest a bit along the way.
At the moment I am just brainstorming . Now I try to play stopping the parlay when in new profit. Itr works fine but I need more time to test.
Playing both sides seems very smart. In fact you play a normal parlay minus 1 unit.
Imagine 8 times red ...........a normal parlay would be:
Red Black
1 1
2 1
4 1
8
16 etc
32
64
128
So you can play a normal parlay minus 1 :
first spin for tracking 1-1=0
2 2-1 =1
3 4-1+ 3 etc........
7
15
31
63
127
When playing a parlay on one colour you only risk the base bet unit, when playing on two colours you risk nothing.............only the ZERO
Agreed.. both sides it is .I'm also still brainstorming. But investing somewhere a long the parlay seem to bring those 10 steps a lot.
Now I'm still at 0,1â,¬ basebet. So I'm not scared to invest at step 8 . But this I probably not do with bigger basebet.
Good luck and if u would find a better tweak give me a shout
I think parlay is useless, win lose win lose never ended story.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Nov 10, 03:19 PM 2015
I think parlay is useless, win lose win lose never ended story.
Thx for your thoughts :thumbsup:
I tried to play the parlay on both colours but adjusted it all the time. So when I needed 15 units to recover but the parlay was at 35 units, I went down to 15 units.
I tested with 5 euro bets and the highest bet was 7 units. Very smooth!!
Eddy graphs like that are pleasant to look at :twisted:
Love it
Hmmm very nice results. I will continue testing it as well. Thx Eddy
Was this test/graph done with reinvesting along the way as well?
Quote from: Big EZ on Nov 11, 09:42 AM 2015
Was this test/graph done with reinvesting along the way as well?
No I don't think so.
Btw I'm back from the casino where I hit my 10 steps ....2 times . But Eddy's way would profite too. I'm just going for bigger profits.
So far both looking very promising.
One more test using the modified parlay. ( Wiesbaden live spins)
Again very impressive. ...
I'm starting to like this parlay. It looks not very popular for the rest but that's OK.
Thx Eddy for contributing . Much appreciated. ...
For some reason it always seem to get to a new high . Very small dd.
Let's see if the br keep going north.
Can You post an example with Numbers?
Thx
Quote from: RFMAXX on Nov 11, 05:10 PM 2015
Can You post an example with Numbers?
Thx
I assume you mean Eddy's parlay?
I'll let him take care that.
If my way it's explained above. You might wanna check both.
im in the same boat with rfmaxx. i like the idea. i like the results. but how is he playing exactly
I test it like this.
A normal parlay on one colour would be 1-2-4-8-16-32 etc....... Like a Martingale but now you double when you win. I figured out that it would be better to play on both colours..........call it the grand Parlay :-) This will be if you follow the last colour 1-3-7-15-31- etc............
I go for one unit profit. If I am at a nigh high I reset to the original bet. The second change I made is that I lower the bet if I don't need the full parlay to recover. For example......I need 15 units to reach a new high but the parlay is at 35, I will bet 15........... this will prefend big DD and I think this is what makes my way of testing so succesful. The profits will be slower but you can play higher bets. In all my testing my highest bet was 7 units!!!
Quote from: eddy35 on Nov 11, 05:52 PM 2015
I test it like this.
A normal parlay on one colour would be 1-2-4-8-16-32 etc....... Like a Martingale but now you double when you win. I figured out that it would be better to play on both colours..........call it the grand Parlay :-) This will be if you follow the last colour 1-3-7-15-31- etc............
I go for one unit profit. If I am at a nigh high I reset to the original bet. The second change I made is that I lower the bet if I don't need the full parlay to recover. For example......I need 15 units to reach a new high but the parlay is at 35, I will bet 15........... this will prefend big DD and I think this is what makes my way of testing so succesful. The profits will be slower but you can play higher bets. In all my testing my highest bet was 7 units!!!
Now the question of the day...how can we have that 35u in your parlay?
Quote from: eddy35 on Nov 11, 05:52 PM 2015
I test it like this.
A normal parlay on one colour would be 1-2-4-8-16-32 etc....... Like a Martingale but now you double when you win. I figured out that it would be better to play on both colours..........call it the grand Parlay :-) This will be if you follow the last colour 1-3-7-15-31- etc............
I go for one unit profit. If I am at a nigh high I reset to the original bet. The second change I made is that I lower the bet if I don't need the full parlay to recover. For example......I need 15 units to reach a new high but the parlay is at 35, I will bet 15........... this will prefend big DD and I think this is what makes my way of testing so succesful. The profits will be slower but you can play higher bets. In all my testing my highest bet was 7 units!!!
i think the follow the color has some merit
on another forum i saw a guy following last color FLAT BET and it recovers, as it should because they always even out in the long run. the key is when in profit stop. or when in profit, up the unit level.
I did made +1500 today with 1â,¬ basebet.
And I didn't even looked at the other ec's.
In about 200 spins max. (Rapid roulette)
Maybe I/we should find a way to combine both methods.
I just love a method where you not need to aim at that famously known 20% of br. But you can get 100/200%.
I know big numbers. I probably get a lot yakking. But for the time I'm playing it ....didn't saw any method beating this.
And as ddarko asked..yes I busted a few times (6)
eddy i like how you are playing
the grand martingale recovers losses much faster. its a positive progression which is much better then the standard negative marty, and as you said it only went to unit number 7 before you reset
good job there
with a low unit level of $1 this can do some damage
imagine you play this with all ec.. :thumbsup:
we need a tracker :)
Quote from: denzie on Nov 11, 05:56 PM 2015
Now the question of the day...how can we have that 35u in your parlay?
It was 35 Euro's, 7 chips of 5. So I was 7 units in the parlay, that's step 3.
Quote from: eddy35 on Nov 12, 05:02 AM 2015
It was 35 Euro's, 7 chips of 5. So I was 7 units in the parlay, that's step 3.
Could you give a example how you bet eddy?
With for these number?
5, 12, 35, 4, 17, 31, 14, 0, 11, 33, 8, 1, 29, 7, 14, 23, 16, 25, 3, 14, 12, 8, 22, 19, 28, 29, 25, 16, 21, 33, 33, 1, 27, 32, 24, 23, 10, 10, 8, 1, 34, 19, 26, 20, 6, 35, 9, 9, 30, 23, 27, 12, 26, 34, 20, 29, 36, 7
5 = first
7 = last
Quote from: eddy35 on Nov 12, 05:02 AM 2015
It was 35 Euro's, 7 chips of 5. So I was 7 units in the parlay, that's step 3.
Oh ok got it. I was forgetting the value of your units. Thx :thumbsup:
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 12, 05:10 AM 2015
Could you give a example how you bet eddy?
With for these number?
5, 12, 35, 4, 17, 31, 14, 0, 11, 33, 8, 1, 29, 7, 14, 23, 16, 25, 3, 14, 12, 8, 22, 19, 28, 29, 25, 16, 21, 33, 33, 1, 27, 32, 24, 23, 10, 10, 8, 1, 34, 19, 26, 20, 6, 35, 9, 9, 30, 23, 27, 12, 26, 34, 20, 29, 36, 7
5 = first
7 = last
I will do the first 25 numbers, then you will understand it:
1 5 red tracking now follow red, first bet 1 unit on red
2 12 red win + 1 stay at first step of the parlay'
3 35 black lost 0 we stay within 1 spin from the last high, keep the base bet
4 4 black win +1 stay at first step
5 17 black win +2
6 31 black win +3
7 14 red lost +2 stay at first step
8 0 lost +1 track again........no bet
9 11 black
10 33 black win +2
11 8 black win +3
12 1 red lost +2
13 29 black lost +1
14 7 red lost 0
15 14 red win +1 now we are 3 units from a new high so I parlay and bet 3 units
16 23 red win +4 go back to base bet
17 16 red win +5
18 25 red win +6
19 3 red win +7
20 14 red win +8
21 12 red win +9
22 8 black lost +8
23 22 black win +9
etc...................
So follow the last colour, stay at your base bet when you are 1 spin from recovery, use the parlay to recover but lower your bet if you don't need the full parlay to recover.
It looks like a slow way of playing but it is very low risk..........so you can play higher value chips. This 23 numbers would give you a profit of 45 Euro if you play 5 euro chips.
I think what makes this way of playing a succes is that you only lose with RBRBRBRBRB............but then only 1 unit every time. But for 10 times RB you only need a 3 step parlay ( 1-3-7 ) to recover.
Quote from: eddy35 on Nov 12, 06:06 AM 2015
I think what makes this way of playing a succes is that you only lose with RBRBRBRBRB............but then only 1 unit every time. But for 10 times RB you only need a 3 step parlay ( 1-3-7 ) to recover.
I know but what if you dont get RRRR or BBBB but RRBBRRRBBRB
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 12, 06:12 AM 2015
I know but what if you dont get RRRR or BBBB but RRBBRRRBBRB
RRBBRRBB will break even.
one time RRR or BBB will give you 1 unit profit
I'm gonna give it a try on my way (don't angry me pls Eddy)
I start showing from spin 12 cuz here it begins and before I would reset or invest a bit at spin 5 with a loss.
R = 1
B = 2..lost
R = 6..
R = 8
R = 16
R = 32
R = 64
R = 128 we can stop here but...
R = 256 we can stop here but...
R = 512 Stop cuz this is my goal
So this would be another very profitable session. Around 1000 units
Quote from: denzie on Nov 12, 06:23 AM 2015
I'm gonna give it a try on my way (don't angry me pls Eddy)
I start showing from spin 12 cuz here it begins and before I would reset or invest a bit at spin 5 with a loss.
R = 1
B = 2..lost
R = 6..
R = 8
R = 16
R = 32
R = 64
R = 128 we can stop here but...
R = 256 we can stop here but...
R = 512 Stop cuz this is my goal
So this would be another very profitable session. Around 1000 units
I understand how you play........... nothing wrong with that. But sometimes it takes too long before e streak comes. And then I am on 64 and lose........wasting profits :twisted:
Quote from: eddy35 on Nov 12, 06:40 AM 2015
I understand how you play........... nothing wrong with that. But sometimes it takes too long before e streak comes. And then I am on 64 and lose........wasting profits :twisted:
I know that feeling. Lol.
Anyway your way works very nicely. Good job
This took a long time to recover. But it recovered!
17 B
3 R -1
29 B -2
14 R -3
29 B -4
34 R -5
29 B -6
14 R -7
24 B -8
14 R -9
26 B -10
35 B -9
27 R -12
27 R -11
30 R -8
8 B -15
5 R -16
4 B -17
24 B -16
6 B -13
0 ZERO -20
1 R
0 ZERO -21
23 R
20 B -22
5 R -23
2 B -24
5 R -25
2 B -26
15 B -25
32 R -28
29 B -29
9 R -30
29 B -31
34 R -32
20 B -33
34 R -34
33 B -35
16 R -36
15 B -37
14 R -38
33 B -39
28 B -38
21 R -41
36 R -40
16 R -37
34 R -30
36 R -15
21 R 0
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 12, 07:21 AM 2015
This took a long time to recover. But it recovered!
17 B
3 R -1
29 B -2
14 R -3
29 B -4
34 R -5
29 B -6
14 R -7
24 B -8
14 R -9
26 B -10
35 B -9
27 R -12
27 R -11
30 R -8
8 B -15
5 R -16
4 B -17
24 B -16
6 B -13
0 ZERO -20
1 R
0 ZERO -21
23 R
20 B -22
5 R -23
2 B -24
5 R -25
2 B -26
15 B -25
32 R -28
29 B -29
9 R -30
29 B -31
34 R -32
20 B -33
34 R -34
33 B -35
16 R -36
15 B -37
14 R -38
33 B -39
28 B -38
21 R -41
36 R -40
16 R -37
34 R -30
36 R -15
21 R 0
Wow.......................these are very bad spins. But you see that even in this situation the DD keeps limited. If you play a negative progression it would have killed you.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 12, 07:21 AM 2015
This took a long time to recover. But it recovered!
17 B
3 R -1
29 B -2
14 R -3
29 B -4
34 R -5
29 B -6
14 R -7
24 B -8
14 R -9
26 B -10
35 B -9
27 R -12
27 R -11
30 R -8
8 B -15
5 R -16
4 B -17
24 B -16
6 B -13
0 ZERO -20
1 R
0 ZERO -21
23 R
20 B -22
5 R -23
2 B -24
5 R -25
2 B -26
15 B -25
32 R -28
29 B -29
9 R -30
29 B -31
34 R -32
20 B -33
34 R -34
33 B -35
16 R -36
15 B -37
14 R -38
33 B -39
28 B -38
21 R -41
36 R -40
16 R -37
34 R -30
36 R -15
21 R 0
Bit curious what the next 4-5 spins would be. Cuz 6 reds in a row at the end.
But we can say it does recover.
Statistically 10 in a row or more come once in 1000spins. This way we SHOULD recover.
And 4 or 5 in row with a single in between does happen a whole lot more.
I've played Eddy's bit different. I use the normal parlay till recovered . Works every time. Now I see how he played. Well...they all seem to work.
The question is what profits most. So far all very promising.
If more suggestions come to mind...pls tell
Quote from: denzie on Nov 12, 08:32 AM 2015
Bit curious what the next 4-5 spins would be. Cuz 6 reds in a row at the end.
But we can say it does recover.
Statistically 10 in a row or more come once in 1000spins. This way we SHOULD recover.
And 4 or 5 in row with a single in between does happen a whole lot more.
I've played Eddy's bit different. I use the normal parlay till recovered . Works every time. Now I see how he played. Well...they all seem to work.
The question is what profits most. So far all very promising.
If more suggestions come to mind...pls tell
Here are the next spins...
22, 21, 31, 4, 26, 36, 16, 36, 11, 0, 18, 26, 5, 1, 22, 16, 26, 20, 26, 19, 1, 30, 17, 7, 19, 35, 0, 16, 9, 7, 32, 8, 31, 4, 27, 5, 20, 5, 2, 0, 15, 32, 31, 11, 32, 10, 27, 14, 12, 25, 7, 1, 21, 9, 21, 33, 17, 11, 36, 33, 20, 26, 20, 6, 5, 22, 12, 27, 28, 7, 22, 29, 10, 18, 11, 34, 35, 21, 21, 21, 4, 27, 23, 22, 0, 5, 11, 5, 36, 0
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 12, 08:39 AM 2015
Here are the next spins...
22, 21, 31, 4, 26, 36, 16, 36, 11, 0, 18, 26, 5, 1, 22, 16, 26, 20, 26, 19, 1, 30, 17, 7, 19, 35, 0, 16, 9, 7, 32, 8, 31, 4, 27, 5, 20, 5, 2, 0, 15, 32, 31, 11, 32, 10, 27, 14, 12, 25, 7, 1, 21, 9, 21, 33, 17, 11, 36, 33, 20, 26, 20, 6, 5, 22, 12, 27, 28, 7, 22, 29, 10, 18, 11, 34, 35, 21, 21, 21, 4, 27, 23, 22, 0, 5, 11, 5, 36, 0
You see what I see ? :)
Quote from: eddy35 on Nov 12, 05:56 AM 2015
I will do the first 25 numbers, then you will understand it:
1 5 red tracking now follow red, first bet 1 unit on red
2 12 red win + 1 stay at first step of the parlay'
3 35 black lost 0 we stay within 1 spin from the last high, keep the base bet
4 4 black win +1 stay at first step
5 17 black win +2
6 31 black win +3
7 14 red lost +2 stay at first step
8 0 lost +1 track again........no bet
9 11 black
10 33 black win +2
11 8 black win +3
12 1 red lost +2
13 29 black lost +1
14 7 red lost 0
15 14 red win +1 now we are 3 units from a new high so I parlay and bet 3 units
16 23 red win +4 go back to base bet
17 16 red win +5
18 25 red win +6
19 3 red win +7
20 14 red win +8
21 12 red win +9
22 8 black lost +8
23 22 black win +9
etc...................
So follow the last colour, stay at your base bet when you are 1 spin from recovery, use the parlay to recover but lower your bet if you don't need the full parlay to recover.
It looks like a slow way of playing but it is very low risk..........so you can play higher value chips. This 23 numbers would give you a profit of 45 Euro if you play 5 euro chips.
aspers mk, Hi Denzie,these are live #'s Milton keyens, would Parlay happy hour win here, cheers NTH
33
2
18
12
13
29
25
4
26
15
21
20
8
16
12
34
9
18
30
20
30
7
14
12
13
22
12
29
21
35
20
23
19
34
2
16
7
16
21
25
19
4
33
20
32
24
3
14
0
29
13
7
For me it would be another very happy hour indeed.
Let's fast forward to spin 14 (start nr 16)
R 1
R 2
R 4
R 8
R 16
R 32
B LOST
R 192
R 256
R 512 Stop
Maybe Eddy wanna calculate his result here ?
A bit further it goes to 9 steps. But not 10 unfortunately. Also I would not invest at that point. Now at small stakes I invest to step 8. Anything higher I would let go. At normal stakes I would stop at step 7 max.
I see you looking GLC :P
Give us your thoughts pls
Quote from: denzie on Nov 13, 09:34 PM 2015
I see you looking GLC :P
Give us your thoughts pls
Denzie, what are you doing up at this hour? Or maybe you're not that far away from Arizona.
Yes, I have been looking to see what you're doing that's different from my flat bet parlay.
I think the idea of covering a miss with personal money to keep a steak of wins going is a new concept and well worth looking into.
I'm a little leary of your idea of starting at say 4 instead of 1 so that you reach a win on 512 after only 8 wins instead of 10. You're really only playing an 8 step marty based on 4 unit bets. I don't think it gives you an advantage in the long run. (unless I misunderstand this idea of yours)
Eddy's graphs are impressive to say the least, but still represent only a blink of an eye's worth of spins in the long run. Nevertheless, it's for sure worth looking into. I just don't see that it gives us a real advantage over a regular marty. At almost 67 years old I'm having a little difficulty gathering together all the ramifications of his idea. I'll let you know if I come up with anything of merit.
Finally, you can't argue with good results so keep up the winning. We're all rooting for you.
And like Wannawin told me one time, "Don't get too discouraged if not many members post on your topic. If you only help a handful, it's a worthy endeavor." A lot of members don't like to have to go over and over a method that's not clearly explained and a lot of good examples given to make everything clear as a bell. If you go back over your topic, you'll see that very few understood what you were doing until a lot of posts had been made. Some are still not that clear on it.
If winning sessions keep coming and people start getting the idea that this may be one of the better systems that have come along in a long time, more and more will start showing interest.
Keep doing what you're doing!
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Nov 13, 10:27 PM 2015
Denzie, what are you doing up at this hour? Or maybe you're not that far away from Arizona.
Yes, I have been looking to see what you're doing that's different from my flat bet parlay.
I think the idea of covering a miss with personal money to keep a steak of wins going is a new concept and well worth looking into.
I'm a little leary of your idea of starting at say 4 instead of 1 so that you reach a win on 512 after only 8 wins instead of 10. You're really only playing an 8 step marty based on 4 unit bets. I don't think it gives you an advantage in the long run. (unless I misunderstand this idea of yours)
I think here you might miss understood me. I am starting at 1. But if along the streak I bump into a chop then I invest that with my own br. But never more then 1 a time. I try to use as little br I need to get my goal.
RRRRBRRRRRRR here we got 1 B which I pay for the next spin. If another B should come then I reset and start over. Another example... RRBRBRRRRR here we got 2 interferences...but cuz it's early and low invest I chip in myself.
RRRRRBBRRR here I reset cuz 2 B . That is to much.
On average I invest around 100-200 units to make 1000.
My br is 500. So far it busted 6 times out of 28 sessions. No idea about the long run though. But it's the first time something makes this much profit. (For me)
Btw I'm from Belgium. Was pretty late here
Quote from: GLC on Nov 13, 10:27 PM 2015
Eddy's graphs are impressive to say the least, but still represent only a blink of an eye's worth of spins in the long run. Nevertheless, it's for sure worth looking into. I just don't see that it gives us a real advantage over a regular marty. At almost 67 years old I'm having a little difficulty gathering together all the ramifications of his idea. I'll let you know if I come up with anything of merit.
I think Eddy's is a good tweak. No doubt. But I just aim a little higher. I'm sure Eddy will keep us up to date. ...with 10 in a row coming once in 1000 spin it SHOULD normally be hard to bust. (I think)
Quote from: GLC on Nov 13, 10:27 PM 2015
And like Wannawin told me one time, "Don't get too discouraged if not many members post on your topic. If you only help a handful, it's a worthy endeavor." A lot of members don't like to have to go over and over a method that's not clearly explained and a lot of good examples given to make everything clear as a bell. If you go back over your topic, you'll see that very few understood what you were doing until a lot of posts had been made. Some are still not that clear on it.
If winning sessions keep coming and people start getting the idea that this may be one of the better systems that have come along in a long time, more and more will start showing interest.
Keep doing what you're doing!
GLC
Yes I know I'm not always very clear. Probably cuz of my English. What I think is not always what I write. And the beginning of this thread started of different. As I was playing it and look many spins my eye saw the new way (10steps). It might all be bit confusing. My apologies.
And I'm not try to get the attention of the whole forum. If a few show intrest and help me test I'm already happy. We know there always will be street , dozen , ec , .....guys. Those are not easy to get of their regular game.
Thx very much GLC for replying. Always good to see you show intrest.
Hi Denzie,
Do you have a set of rules or is it more on gut feeling?
You showed some profit in the spin examples i posted but i like to know more what you do before the streak etc.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 14, 06:11 AM 2015
Hi Denzie,
Do you have a set of rules or is it more on gut feeling?
You showed some profit in the spin examples i posted but i like to know more what you do before the streak etc.
Of course I was lucky in all the examples I did got my 10 steps. But it's very simple. ...
I play on both colors. This way I'm not missing the begin of a streak. If the invest is not to much then I do it . So on step 3-4-5-6-7 I would invest. Cuz I'm aiming for 1000u minus our invest. At step 8-9 it's to much.
RR B RR B RRRR
RRR B R B RRRR
RRRR B RRRRR
RRRRR B RRRR
RR B R B RRRRR
etc...
Just make sure the invest not get to high so we can profit from our 1000u.
Sessions br is 500u.
(If I would play with 1000 it would busted only 3 times)
If you have questions feel free to ask
Quote from: GLC on Nov 13, 10:27 PM 2015
Denzie, what are you doing up at this hour? Or maybe you're not that far away from Arizona.
Yes, I have been looking to see what you're doing that's different from my flat bet parlay.
I think the idea of covering a miss with personal money to keep a steak of wins going is a new concept and well worth looking into.
I'm a little leary of your idea of starting at say 4 instead of 1 so that you reach a win on 512 after only 8 wins instead of 10. You're really only playing an 8 step marty based on 4 unit bets. I don't think it gives you an advantage in the long run. (unless I misunderstand this idea of yours)
Eddy's graphs are impressive to say the least, but still represent only a blink of an eye's worth of spins in the long run. Nevertheless, it's for sure worth looking into. I just don't see that it gives us a real advantage over a regular marty. At almost 67 years old I'm having a little difficulty gathering together all the ramifications of his idea. I'll let you know if I come up with anything of merit.
Finally, you can't argue with good results so keep up the winning. We're all rooting for you.
And like Wannawin told me one time, "Don't get too discouraged if not many members post on your topic. If you only help a handful, it's a worthy endeavor." A lot of members don't like to have to go over and over a method that's not clearly explained and a lot of good examples given to make everything clear as a bell. If you go back over your topic, you'll see that very few understood what you were doing until a lot of posts had been made. Some are still not that clear on it.
If winning sessions keep coming and people start getting the idea that this may be one of the better systems that have come along in a long time, more and more will start showing interest.
Keep doing what you're doing!
GLC
If you play a positive progression Martingale, you will only lose one base unit if you fail. With a negative progression you can lose your bankroll.
I just don't see that it gives us a real advantage over a regular marty.
When I said regular marty, I didn't mean a regular negative marty, I mean a regular 1-2-4-8-16 etc... marty instead of a 1-3-7-15 etc... marty.
Like I said, I may not be understanding this your idea correctly. :-X
GLC
Quote from: denzie on Nov 14, 06:32 AM 2015
Of course I was lucky in all the examples I did got my 10 steps. But it's very simple. ...
I play on both colors. This way I'm not missing the begin of a streak. If the invest is not to much then I do it . So on step 3-4-5-6-7 I would invest. Cuz I'm aiming for 1000u minus our invest. At step 8-9 it's to much.
RR B RR B RRRR
RRR B R B RRRR
RRRR B RRRRR
RRRRR B RRRR
RR B R B RRRRR
etc...
Just make sure the invest not get to high so we can profit from our 1000u.
Sessions br is 500u.
(If I would play with 1000 it would busted only 3 times)
If you have questions feel free to ask
Final stats.... I go in after a virtual down draft of 100/150.... still does the job more than ok.
Today about 2 hours play... made 10 steps 2 times. :thumbsup:
Hi Denzies,
That sound good and I use this type of strategy too but how do you deal with a bad start?
Do you use the opposite when in loss as in Marty to get back to your starting point?
I do but could still seem risky if bad start....
eg.
BET 1 1 unit , loss -1
BET 2 1 unit, loss -2
BET 3 2 units, loss -4
BET 4 4 units, loss -8
BET 5 8 units, loss -16
BET 6 16 units, Win (even)
...or keep betting 1 until back to start to be safer.
Uhm not sure what you mean.
Bet 1 ... loss ... -1
Bet 2 ... loss ... -2
Bet 3 ... loss ... -3
Etc... we lose only 1 unit each time.
FYI I've been playing this for months now. I can assure you if you play virtual till a dd of 100/150 you will win more than 90% of your sessions. And each winning session I win around my br.
The only downside is time. Sometimes you see those streaks passing and you didn't bet. :-[
Yeah thanks thats what I meant. 0h yeah makes sense why risk double when you can lose even more
Yes another progression as long as not too many loses would be:
Bet 1 1 unit loss -1
Bet 2 2 units loss -3
Bet 3 3 units loss -6
Bet 4 4 units win -2
Although may end up better or worse but as you said wouldnt get too deep in anyway.
I wouldn't do it. Negative progressions is not my thing. It mostly end up.....negative :-\
Hope you give it try .... you might like it :thumbsup:
After all this time it's very clear how many times we can make 8-9-10 steps on average in 500 or 1000 spins. Once you got that info.......you can fill in the rest.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 25, 01:36 AM 2016
Uhm not sure what you mean.
Bet 1 ... loss ... -1
Bet 2 ... loss ... -2
Bet 3 ... loss ... -3
Etc... we lose only 1 unit each time.
FYI I've been playing this for months now. I can assure you if you play virtual till a dd of 100/150 you will win more than 90% of your sessions. And each winning session I win around my br.
The only downside is time. Sometimes you see those streaks passing and you didn't bet. :-[
Hi denzie this is interesting. I could test it on thousands even millions of spins by creating a script. But in order to do so I need clear rules on how to play. I read this whole topic but I still am not sure how to play this. Could you post clear rules on how to play?
@MrG .... it's has been coded already and it lost. Very kind of you though. This is one of those that can win huge over 100k spins but after a million spins it will lose . Unfortunately. :-[
Quite inspiring thread this one. I guess Denzies orginal system is basicly a variation of Paroli or reverse Marty or whatever. Never really looked into it as everywhere its even mentioned its failing & only a fool or a madman would attempt it. Then again when i mention roulette to anyone they always look at me like im a foolish madman. I should have know better ;D
Anyways the math/parlay looks promising. Denz inital version is heartwarming & brave & best of all you dont have to take it all the way to step 10. The psychologial part of it is better as well aka betting on wins & only risking current winnings .. instead of the usual "the glass is half empty" Marty where you chase losses hoping for a single win to recover your initial 1 unit & drain your bankroll. Not that the many 1 unit bets for each attempt cannot eat into your bankroll, but nothing in compare to marty of cause.
The "pay a single loss on the climb, but stop on 2 losses" is quite ingenius as well as long as you keep it in the lower bet region. As higher step bankroll pays would be a even quicker killer than Marty of cause.
Havnt even gotten around to test it with EC but got the idea pop'd into my head that this should also work with dozens/colums even faster as the 3:1 payout is staggering. Been playing my Darklight lately .. aka i assume a dozen is basickly sleeping so i only play the remaining 12 red or 12 black and hope they will streak. But for simplistic's sake say i just play 12 units on a dozen hoping it will streak. Now i usually just flatbet or play a very safe 12,12,12,24,24 progression "sticking" to the same dozen. But if i instead put my first bet winnings on a second bet that the same dozen will pop .. is 108 units win. Let me take it step by step:
1. Bankroll is 500 units. Im guessing or a theory tells me or i follow last spin .. that next dozen will be dozen 1. So i put 12 units on it.
2. Dozen 1 hits & i have 36 units. As my second bet i bet on dozen 1 again.
3. Dozen 1 hits & i have 108 units and i stop betting untill a new trigger event happens.
Now i know guess a single dozen right twice in a row so i dont say this is easy but betting 12/500 = 2,4% to win 108/500 = a 21,6% has to be profitable in the long run. Or at least i sounds logical in my head as this is all theory & i have to do some testing first.
oh and considering Denz first posted strategy where you aim for 10 (well 11 actually as you need a trigger too i guess) of a EC to streak in a row. I guess its actually worth waiting betting untill you actually see 4 or 5 of EC in a row or perhaps even later as yes each attempt is only 1 unit .. in in the long all those single lost units eats your bankroll, especially if you play all 3 EC at the same time.
You need to keep you wits of cause, we all know roulette is unpredictable, so if you havnt seen a single streak over 7 in 3 hours then you will save a lot by skipping all those small attempts below 5 .. but if you just had 7 in a row 3 times in half a hour then its more profitable to stick to the 1 unit from the get go.
Also dealer signature may come in handy with this one. You may not believe that a dealer can repeat a "monster" 35 black & 6 red session again, but id at least write down their name ;D
Anyone try this parlay playing Banker in Bac?
Quote from: bobby on Mar 17, 06:36 PM 2017
Anyone try this parlay playing Banker in Bac?
I think Denzie discussed something similar for baccarat over here:
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/denzies-parlay/
I can only say that it doesn't work. But if you try you will find out. :-[
You have a better shot using a parlay after BBBB or PPPP .... (this you should try. I've tested the 100k hands of scammer over there. It came out winning )
But on the long run.........
Quote from: denzie on Mar 18, 01:51 PM 2017
I can only say that it doesn't work. But if you try you will find out. :-[
You have a better shot using a parlay after BBBB or PPPP .... (this you should try. I've tested the 100k hands of scammer over there. It came out winning )
But on the long run.........
Denzie,
Any streaks-based method for the EC chances in roulette should work equally well in baccarat (in fact, it should work better because there is no equivalent of the zero in baccarat).
Also, the B-streaks and the P-streaks seem to occur slightly more frequently than do their roulette EC counterparts , so you would also get more opportunities to apply such methods in baccarat (whether or not that is healthier for your bank roll is a fair question, given that baccarat is still a negative EV game).
Just a quick feedback. Had a go with the Denz original/Paroli-ish in the weekend & in avbout 3 and a half hour i trippled my bankroll pretty much. Mainly on the 12 "hot" red number vs 12 "hot" black number (blacklight) that technically is a EC bet but with smaller bets so its outputs 3:1 like a dozen but sadly also sometimes looses a lot more. But when you do see like a BBBBB or RRRRR .. and hit it then the winnings is a staggering 36 108 324 972 units (aka 3 9 27 81 if compared to a 1 unit dozen Paroli). Alas i chicken'd out way to often and didnt go for the 3rd bet. But that also shows how powerfull it is when all it takes is 2 bets to gain a sizeable win big enough to continue. Also physical time limits kinda blocked me .. butting down 108 units on 12 numbers (aka 9 each) takes times that i do not have even with a "double up" button.
A bit more dangerous to det on single dozen i feel unless you have a hot/cold or pattern or similar strategy. Simply as Dozens is placed on the wheel for maximum variation i guess. However i do feel Denz/paroli could also be applied to sector bets and perhaps even something as small as 6 number line bets.
Also had a go with a bit of regular double dozen paroli at very low units as it seemed harmless to attempt. It may not seem logic to bet 2 dozens as the progression is so low that it sometimes require you to add (or substract) a unit for the bet to work. Also you really need to win at least 3 bet in a row just to win another 2 bets. Again remembering dozen placements is most likely for max variation i used the provious the last spin dozen as trigger and kept betting the 2 other dozens. It did work however with a very little profit & very slow. Ran into a 11332211 that took me back a bit but all it all it pulled ahead thanks to paroli constant low starting bet.
Blackjack: a bit off topic but hey, potato tomato. Had a bit of reflection on blackjack & paroli but i cant see it working without some large changes. Clever people may claim that BJ if played right can yield a close to 50% favorable player odds .. however the truth is for normal (non genius) people its much much less. I can barely recall the last time ive (if ever) won at BJ 5 times in a row. That and the fixed 2:1 output, the usually crippled BJ (to make you think you have won something & make you keep playing), the insurance, the double up/down (to make you think you have a choice/chance but really to rip you off even more) and the "player first choice" will make you bust out way too often for a paroli to work. Unless you spike the paroli & then we are already deep into low/high, ladder or Marty territory.
TP,
Even if one were a genius, that person would still find blackjack to be a difficult proposition under current casino playing conditions.
Card counting does not really help most individual players because nowadays you usually have 8-deck shoes and, to make matters even more difficult, the shoe penetration is usually about 70%.
In the US, gambling authors and experts (like the Evil Wizard and his boot-licking minions over at the WofV web site) continue to over-promote (and over-glorify) blackjack even though current conditions do not justify it.
I think they are doing a great disservice to the gambling public by spreading misinformation about the true prospects that players face while playing this game.
Speaking of blackjack, using basic strategy the HE is what .4 or .5%
Hard for a progression to even overcome that
That's why I see roulette as recreation and fun
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 20, 06:58 PM 2017
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In the US, gambling authors and experts (like the Evil Wizard and his boot-licking minions over at the WofV web site) continue to over-promote (and over-glorify) blackjack even though current conditions do not justify it.
I think they are doing a great disservice to the gambling public by spreading misinformation about the true prospects that players face while playing this game.
Ah yes, i always wonder how anyone can stand up and put their face in the public adverticing Blackjack like its easy. Its not like Poker dosnt have people too but that game also has more skill involvement than pure card luck. Slot & roulette also has a couple of faces but at least they tend to stress how much/often they loose & if they are affiliated with a Casino.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 20, 07:12 PM 2017
Speaking of blackjack, using basic strategy the HE is what .4 or .5%
Hard for a progression to even overcome that
That's why I see roulette as recreation and fun
Well the HE is a bit complicated when it comes BJ. Because simply "what is best" is up for interpretation and it depends on how many sets of cards is mixed in the deck. There is a bunch of BJ calculators online for calculting the HE and whatnot. If i recall right a single card set can have as low as 0,18-ish and pops up instantly to 0,50-ish with 2 sets of cards shuffled. 8+ shuffled card sets is 0,65+ up. But that is with doing everything "100% math right" so i would assume that "basic strategy" is much much higher. Also if you have ever seen a young lady try to not break her fingernails while manually shuffling 16+ sets for 10 mins online & not think that they probably removed or replaced a couple of high cards to improve the HE, lol. Its not that the internet casino police is gonna strike down on them & its virtually impossible to detect.
I was reading this topic and noticed it got revived recently.
I conducted a test last night betting on 2 ECs (HL/RB) with a moderate stoploss (60u) just as a countermeasure since I was testing, after all.
119 spins:
5 27 33 33 6 7 6 25 11 36 28 19 7 8 2 7 20 6 22 31 3 16 8 25 1
32 14 35 27 12 30 24 14 29 10 7 13 24 26 29 16 12 34 26 34 10 29 30 26 23
31 13 34 3 34 32 23 31 28 22 3 30 35 3 19 25 5 22 26 26 9 9 18 29 22
19 28 30 18 4 33 16 4 26 32 21 14 18 18 23 25 33 7 6 19 9 25 9 31 14
21 3 27 23 31 4 34 24 1 19 34 21 13 11 16 36 5 20 33
I played for simple parlay, without any investing and, unsurprisingly, hit my stoploss within 45 spins or so.
However, after the fact I tested for different "goals" and so far the fastest, most succesful one would have been to
aim for 7 steps, investing after an unsuccessful 3rd step and bailing after 2 losses in a row.
In short, with a 1u starting bet, the steps would be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64
- When/if you reach a bet of 4 and you lose, invest 8u on the streak happening.
- If you lose, bail on that streak happening. Otherwise, continue betting until you hit the 64u bet. If you win, that's it.
I did try aiming for higher steps in the streak, but it didn't really end up that well. I still need to continue testing.
Any feedback would be awesome.
Cheers.
Quote from: kampfgolem on May 04, 03:50 PM 2017
- When/if you reach a bet of 4 and you lose, invest 8u on the streak happening.
Cheers.
Investing your own money to "make" the streak continue is the most bothersome aspect of this method -- and which, in the long run, would make it fail.
Just my .02 cents' worth of opinion.