Now we aim to play singles and series of two and series of three and higher.
Series of three and higher is the same group or categorie.
Now if you playing on rolling basis then your first bet is to follow the last hit and when you have two hits you follow the latest two.
When you get three uniq hits you will have three loses and then continue to follow the last two.
You will most of times win within 6 attempts if you play on a rolling basis as 6 alternating with 1 in 3 probability is very rare.
Or you can start playing after three alternating.
If you can come up with other ways to follow the domination, then feel free to create your own triggers.
1) Playing after three alternating
2) Playing on a rolling basis
3) Playing after one combination fall into sleep
Here is one example playing on rolling basis:
2
1
1 L
2
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
2
1 L
1 L
1 L
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
1
1
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1 W
1 L
1 W
1
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1 W
1 L
1 W
1
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
2
Hi ego,
Could you please expand in more detail how you played the above example.
Maybe just a play by play of the first 10 or 20 results if you don't want to do the whole thing.
Thanks
malcop
I second malcop's motion.
Malcom and all - i test this with RX and i belive this march is better then all others - like FTL DBL and so on - because you have 1 in 3 probability and play the same way as with dozen or column bets and we know how common there is that two dozen/column dominate - rare is when they alternate - so i play the latest two most present events flat betting for 300 trails and its a slow grinder - i belive 111 222 333 444 progression would work with this march.
(link:://i64.tinypic.com/64gnd0.png)
(link:://i63.tinypic.com/2hmetjc.png)
I add a youtube video playing the march with RX .... flat betting ...
link:s://youtu.be/BaZTS3arorc
320 spin and largest drawdown -2
Sounds good to me
Amazing how effective this march is - i post some results so you can understand the betting.
Todays random org file.
1
2
2 L 1 -1
2
2
2
1
2 W 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
2
1
1 L 1 -1
1 W 1 +0
2
2 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 -1
1 W 1 +0
2
2 L 1 -1
1 L 1 -2
2 L 1 -3
1 W 1 -2
2 W 1 -1
1 W 1 +0
2 W 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2
1 W 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1
1
2
2 L 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2
1
2 W 1 +8
1 W 1 +9
2 W 1 +10
1 W 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
1
1
2
2 L 1 +12
2 W 1 +13
1
2 W 1 +14
2 L 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
2 W 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
2 W 1 +15
2 L 1 +14
1 W 1 +15
2 W 1 +16
1 W 1 +17
1 L 1 +16
1 L 1 +15
2
1 W 1 +16
1 L 1 +15
1 W 1 +16
2
1 W 1 +17
2 W 1 +18
1 W 1 +19
2 W 1 +20
1 W 1 +21
2 W 1 +22
2 L 1 +21
2 W 1 +22
2
1
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
1 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
2
2 W
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2
2 L
2 W
2
2
2
2
1
1 L
2 L
2 W
1
1 W
1
1
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1 L
1 L
1 W
2
2 L
2 W
2
1
1 L
2 L
2 W
2
2
2
1
1 W
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
2 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
2 L
1 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
2
1
2 L
2 L
2 W
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2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 L
1 L
1 L
1
1
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2 W
2 L
2 W
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1
1 L
2 L
2 W
1
1 W
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1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2
2 W
1
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
1
1
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
1
1
2
1 W
1 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
2
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
1 W
2 W
Now i will show you have dozen dominate and why this march most of times succés.
You will see for example dozen 1&2 strike for 789 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 times in a row or it could be dozen 2&3
I illustrate this as follows:
1. Singles is dozen 1
2. Series of two is dozen 2
3. Series of Three and higher is dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 5 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 7 times
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 8 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2 - strike 4 times
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3 - strike 8 times
1
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 3 times
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 4 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 13 times
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1 - strike 6 times
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2 - strike 6 times
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
1 dozen 2 - strike 9 times
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 2 times
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 6 times
2
I challange any one to try to come up with a march that win more then my solution - it is Amazing how effective it is.
Here is two solutions following the random path with 1 in 3 probability.
The first march:
You see dozen 1 you play dozen 1.
You have dozen 1 and 2 you play dozen 1 and 2.
You allways follow the last hitting dozen and play against dozen to alternate 123.
Secound march:
Lets say you see dozen 1 then you play dozen 2 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 2 then you play dozen 1 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 3 then you play dozen 1 and 2
Until two two loses, then you wait for a fictive win and start over.
I test the second march flat betting:
(link:://i65.tinypic.com/qx3os3.jpg)
With the first march i have used 111 - 122 - 136 and so on to deal with variance and fluctation.
That is with the first march.
With the second march i have used 11 - 12 - 23 and so on to deal with variance and fluctation.
This is how second march look like flat betting ....
link:s://youtu.be/oCigi8kh7H8
Processing, processing...
Thank you Ego, that comes out from long experience!
I'll return with questions after analyze.
Ego on 2nd dozen march any progression?
I'm a bit confused. You talk about dozens but the videos show you betting red or black even chances. Maybe I'm being thick lol, but I'm struggling to understand the system.
Doz 1 = single
Doz 2 = serie of 2
Doz 3 = serie of 3 or more
Gentlemen,
Single vs series, will have 50/50 minus edge,
just like betting P/B, or any EC game.
Sputnik, try to bet
single, vs series of two, vs series of three.
p/b/p/b=single/single/single/
pp/bb/pp/bb=series2/series2/series2
ppp/bbbb/ppppp=series3/series3/
[three repeat, and/or more=series3]
Sputnik believe that single vs series2 vs series3,
have the same probability as DOZEN bet!
Thus he believe that , betting dozen one two three,
same as betting single vs series2,vs series 3.
Thus he believe...
that the chances of
dozen 1/dozen2/dozen3, permutation=
123=33%, minus edge.
he believe that
the chance of
single/series[123123] permutation,
all three hit twice in six spins,
same as
[dz1,dz2,dz3,dz1,dz2,dz3],permutation
three different dozens, each hit twice,
in six spins,
Thus he believe when
single 1 and series3 hit,
then the chances of series 2,
will less likely.
eg.
pbpb=single, then
ppp=series 3, then
b=he believe, b will not become series,
thus he will bet that it will not repeat.
if it repeat, then he bet it will become 'series three'.
as series2 hit will less.
==============================
eg
pbpb/ppp/b
pbpb/single
ppp/ series3.
b-new hit, bet will not series2.
b-oops! become series2, bet will series 3.
p-damn! lose
==============================
pbpb/=single
ppp/ =series3.
b-new hit, bet will not series2.
b-oops! become series2, bet will series 3.
b-win! become series3!
thus single/series3/series3.=no win, no loss,
as he try to catch the SINGLE MARCH!
eg pbpbpbpbpbpb...where the Majority OF PROFIT COME!
thus if single/series3/series2=LOSE!
============
My thinking is,
u will win/ and will lose, if u play flat.
but the chart line of profit/loss, will
oscillating up and down like a stable wave,
thus u need a mild progression,
and variance avoidance strategy to win,
which Sputnik realized, and keep close to his chest.
explination from beat the wheel
I test the second march during 300 trails - the highest bet was 2 units - wow ...
I use this smooth progression 11 - 12 - 23 - and so on ...
Highest win was 6 units once and after that i break even several times and many times up 234 units several times - see video ...
link:s://youtu.be/Sk1auM5CQjg
I show you bad session with 3.0 SD - variance and fluctation.
You can hit 3.0 SD and still win using this march - 15 loses contra 2 wins.
Highest winning peak +9 units and biggest drawdown -9 units and highest placed bet size 6 units.
2
2
2
1
2 W 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 L 1 +0
1 W 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
1 W 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +4
1
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
1
2
2 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2
2
1
2 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
2
1 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6 Negative variance and fluctation
1 L 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
1
2
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
2 L 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
1
1 W 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
1 L 1 -2
1 L 1 -3 You lose 111 and are at -3 units next is 122
1
2
2 L 1 -4
2 W 2 -2
1
1 L 1 -3
2 L 2 -5
1 L 2 -7 You lose 122 and are at -7 units next is 136 (15 loses contra 2 wins = 3.0 SD
2 W 1 -6
1 W 1 -5
1 L 1 -6
2 W 3 -3 You are at -3 units go back to 122
1 W 1 -2
1 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
1
1
2
2 L 2 -7 You are -7 units and next is 136
1 L 1 -8
1 W 3 -5
2 L 1 -6
1 L 3 -9
2 W 6 -3 You are -3 units and next is 122
1 W 1 -2
1 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
2
1 W 2 -3
2 W 1 -2
2 L 1 -3
2 W 1 -2
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 -3
1 W 1 -2
2
2 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
1 W 2 -3
1
1
2
2 W 1 -2
1
1 W 1 -1
2
2 W 1 +0 You break even 29 loses and 17 wins
1
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
Highets bet during 300 trials - 2 units.
Peak at +9 units flat betting.
link:s://youtu.be/LbvOG8HuRNM
Quote from: denzie on Feb 01, 09:45 PM 2016
Doz 1 = single
Doz 2 = serie of 2
Doz 3 = serie of 3 or more
So let me take a stab. Are we betting dozens? Or red/black?
All I see in the list is 1's and 2's.
If something happens one time in a row, you bet dozen1? (1-12?)
If something happens twice in a row you bet doz 2?
Etc?
Doesn't look like I'm the only one confused.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 01, 09:45 PM 2016
Doz 1 = single
Doz 2 = serie of 2
Doz 3 = serie of 3 or more
3 or more what? And if we get it, what are we betting on?
Quote from: mogul397 on Nov 02, 10:49 PM 20163 or more what? And if we get it, what are we betting on?
He actually translates EC bets into dozen bets. 1 and 2 are the 2 possible outcomes of the EC bet. It could be R/B or H/L or O/E. In the video he chooses R/B as most of us.
Single outcome of the EC translates into dozen 1.(eg R or B)
Serie of 2 of the same EC translates into dozen 2 (eg RR or BB)
Serie of 3 or more of the same EC translates into dozen 3 ( eg RRR or BBB or RRRRRRR or BBBB)
Then as he states in reply#9 on this thread he uses one of these 2 marches. Mainly the 2nd one I think.
2 things I haven't fully understand are:
1) how the progression is used and why is it separated every 2 steps? 11-12-23-34 etc Do we move a step after a loss? Do we return to step 1 after a win?
2) Why series of 3
AND MORE still counts as dozen 3? This will give more chance to bets being translated into dozen 3 than the other 2 dozens. Shouldn't it be only series of 3 to be translated into dozen 3? And if a serie of 3 continues to grow we start tracking again.
So if RRRRRBB happens shouldn't better be "translated" as RRR,RR,BB so dozen3,dozen2,dozen2? Ego's way would have translated it into RRRRR,BB so dozen3,dozen2 :question:
Still looking at this old one. It looks like it works, but fell dead cause people
couldn't understand it.
The video example just shows betting r/b/r/b/r/b/r/b
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 14, 09:32 AM 2016
The video example just shows betting r/b/r/b/r/b/r/b
Seems this is the same idea that was posted on the other forum...
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/
Regards,
A.
If, in fact, it is correct.
If you look at the beginning of the thread it's a mish mash.
I sent ego a pm asking him to explain it, referring to the r/b
and he said he'd explain it to me today or tomorrow, with no refrernce
to the r/b. (But that's what he does in the videos)
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 14, 11:22 AM 2016
Seems this is the same idea that was posted on the other forum...
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/
Regards,
A.
Funny that reply 1 here is identical to the opening reply there.
(Not funny "ha ha")
Who is Sputnik
Duh
I meant to say
**ego is Sputnik
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 14, 07:32 PM 2016
I meant to say
**ego is Sputnik
Thanks RG. I seem to be locked in with this method. I am trying to figure
out exactly what it is. I am making progress. The thread in betselection seems
to have more detail.
I notice that back then you chirped in here and there.
Do you have any light to shed?
Not sure if I'm barking up the right tree in my understanding, but
I am intrigued.
Thanks
mogul397
If you start ask specific questions about the method i will answear.
Think that is better then i explain it all over again.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Dec 15, 02:23 AM 2016
mogul397
If you start ask specific questions about the method i will answear.
Think that is better then i explain it all over again.
Cheers
That sounds good.
Can you in that case answer BellagioOwner questions below?
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Nov 03, 08:51 AM 2016
He actually translates EC bets into dozen bets. 1 and 2 are the 2 possible outcomes of the EC bet. It could be R/B or H/L or O/E. In the video he chooses R/B as most of us.
Single outcome of the EC translates into dozen 1.(eg R or B)
Serie of 2 of the same EC translates into dozen 2 (eg RR or BB)
Serie of 3 or more of the same EC translates into dozen 3 ( eg RRR or BBB or RRRRRRR or BBBB)
Then as he states in reply#9 on this thread he uses one of these 2 marches. Mainly the 2nd one I think.
2 things I haven't fully understand are:
1) how the progression is used and why is it separated every 2 steps? 11-12-23-34 etc Do we move a step after a loss? Do we return to step 1 after a win?
2) Why series of 3 AND MORE still counts as dozen 3? This will give more chance to bets being translated into dozen 3 than the other 2 dozens. Shouldn't it be only series of 3 to be translated into dozen 3? And if a serie of 3 continues to grow we start tracking again.
So if RRRRRBB happens shouldn't better be "translated" as RRR,RR,BB so dozen3,dozen2,dozen2? Ego's way would have translated it into RRRRR,BB so dozen3,dozen2 :question:
Thanks in advance.
- Tuddilue
Was intrigued. But I don't understand how the bets are placed
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 15, 07:51 AM 2016
Was intrigued. But I don't understand how the bets are placed
Thanks.
I thought that it had something and people couldn't understand it.
I will ask questions. First a couple of housekeeping things.
1) Please do not do overboard with abbreviations. There is a language thing,
and it makes it harder.
2) Are we talking about even props? Red/black? Or the dozens?
Let's pick one for sake of clarity.
3) When you say "doz 1 doz 2, it took most of the thread for people to figure out
that you're talking about "single", "double", "triple or more".
So let me tell you what I see and understand from what I've read. And you (ego) tell me
if I am right. A lot of my understanding has come from "Sputnick" in the betselection forom.
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/15/
What I hear you saying (about dozens) is that while watching dozens you will see different
patterns. The patterns, like 1,2,3, would be "single, double, triple or more".
From there, there is some format that you bet, flat usually, in relation to expecting that
"unique" patterns of groupings of results will not show up. Like 1,2,3.....3,1,2....3,1,2..... etc.
Is that correct? Can you expand on what I have said?
Thanks
We are just talking about bet selection now. But I am intrigued with the
"win or break even" aspect that you discuss...
I don't usually beg to understand things
I will ask once
Then I will leave it
I don't beg
I will give you examples and you should remember that every existing dozen system works with EC based upon my methodology.
This is the dozen combinations.
333 a
331 b
332 c
311 a
312 b
313 c
322 a
321 b
323 c
- - -
222 a
221 b
223 c
211 a
212 b
213 c
233 a
232 b
231 c
- - -
111 a
112 b
113 c
122 a
121 b
123 c
133 a
131 b
132 c
All combination that start with dozen 3 have 9 combinations.
All combination that start with dozen 2 have 9 combinations.
All combination that start with dozen 1 have 9 combinations.
same for EC
All patterns that start with series of three or higher have 9 combinations. (same as dozen 3)
All patterns that start with series of two have 9 combinations. (same as dozen 2)
All patterns that start with single have 9 combinations. (same as dozen 1)
1) Lets assume you would only play dozen 3 or EC position with series of three and higher.
2) Then comes the question how and when to bet.
First i have to describe the dozen method and then explain how its convert into EC betting.
a) You see dozen 3 hit, then you bet that dozen 3 will hit again.
b) If you lose then you have two dozen hits infront of you, can be dozen 3 and 1 or dozen 3 and 2. Lets say dozen 3 and 2 and you now bet both of them to repeat once.
c) If you lose then you have Three dozen hits 321 and they alternate with no repeat.
That is one way to catch domination.
Now EC betting on the same principal.
a) You see a serie of Three or higher and bet that you will hit a series of Three or higher as repeat. (here we have a loop hole where a serie of two also results as a win)
b) If you lose then you have two dozen hits infront of you and it can only be a series of three and a single. Next you bet single to repeat and if a lose you bet for a series of three to repeat.
c) If you lose then you have a series of three and a single and a series of two. 312 alternating.
Dozen bet:
1
2 Bet
3 Bet Bet
A 3 unit loss.
EC bet:
R
R
R
B
Bet
R
R Bet
Bet
B
A 3 unit loss.
There exist as many playing models for dozen as it does for EC based upon same principals.
When you start to understand the basics we can go into advance discussion.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 15, 11:23 AM 2016
I don't usually beg to understand things
I will ask once
Then I will leave it
I don't beg
I don't think it's a matter of begging. It's seeing potential value.
Slight clarification question.
When you say there are combinations in the beginning, like 3,3,3, 3,3,1
Those are the actual dozens right? 1-12, 13-24, 25-36.
Right?
Later, when you say
Dozen bet:
1
2 Bet
3 Bet Bet
You are talking about the number of consecutive dozens. IS that right?
Like 1 (in a row)
2 (in a row)
3 (in a row)
Correct?
Think you guys are trying to over think it. Its basically the same easy principles of grassroots.Basically betting against a particular sequence from occuring particularly a no dozen repeat in 3 spins. 1,2,3.. 2,1,3...3,2,1,etc...After a dozen hits,you bet that dozen will repeat as first bet.If lose,bet the same dozen along with the one that just arrived.If lose,you've lost 3 units.Wait for a VW then march again.At least thats what ive taken from it.
Quote from: onetaste on Dec 15, 02:02 PM 2016
Think you guys are trying to over think it. Its basically the same easy principles of grassroots.Basically betting against a particular sequence from occuring particularly a no dozen repeat in 3 spins. 1,2,3.. 2,1,3...3,2,1,etc...After a dozen hits,you bet that dozen will repeat as first bet.If lose,bet the same dozen along with the one that just arrived.If lose,you've lost 3 units.Wait for a VW then march again.At least thats what ive taken from it.
It would be nice if it were that simple. It would also be nice if subsequent
explanations matched earlier ones.
Here is an excerpt from the thread link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/15/ reply 20 by "beat the wheel". Sputnick seemed to like this
explanation overall.
eg
pbpb/ppp/b
pbpb/single
ppp/ series3.
b-new hit, bet will not series2.
b-oops! become series2, bet will series 3.
p-damn! lose
It is for EC. So here he is betting the first bet for a chop. One event.
If he loses and gets 2 in a row, he bets for a third. Just for example.
The examples of playing dozens doesn't make sense.
Same thread, reply 2. In 2 sputnick gives an example of
dozens, I believe. but I could be wrong.
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If you can come up with other ways to follow the domination, then feel free to create your own triggers.
1) Playing after three alternating
2) Playing on a rolling basis
3) Playing after one combination fall into sleep
Here is one example playing on rolling basis:
2
1
1 L
2
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
2
Etc.
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Still not sure. But you can't do much of a progression when you are
betting against a previous dozen and losing 2 units.
It is nice to keep synergy with evens and play a D'alenbert, but not
helpful with dozens unless you are betting one dozen.
If it were your way (Always betting for a dozen to repeat) you could
be waiting a long time. Need to settle on one selection method
This is some latest.
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/210/
reply #210.
Sputnik answer,
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/75/
Reply 84.
For dozens, play the last and next to last dozen. Last 2 dozen.
That simple.
For evens it is a little more complicated. He attaches A single, double,
and 3 or > to the numbers "1,2,3". He lists those groupings of repeats,
and then plays for either of the last two groupings to occur.
The basic methodology has nothing to do with how or when to bet - its about getting EC distribution to become the same as Dozen distribution with same domination/bias.
This means you can somethimes depending on how you bet strike 32 winning bet in a row with direct wins or break even W or LW bets.
The random flow or distribution with two events hitting on regular basis using EC with the same probability as Dozen distribution. that means that sometimes you get two events to strike for 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 times in a row.
EC distribution with dozen odds:
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 5 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 7 times
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 8 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2 - strike 4 times
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3 - strike 8 times
1
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 3 times
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 4 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 13 times
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1 - strike 6 times
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2 - strike 6 times
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
1 dozen 2 - strike 9 times
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 2 times
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 6 times
2
Here is a Matrix for dozen which work with EC.
Resume:
1 in 2 with 1 in 3 odds
Dozen 1 = Single
Dozen 2 = Series of two
Dozen 3 = Series of Three and higher
You can backtrack the random bits and you will see that the EC produce the same distribution using this methodology as the dozen does...
I will now just compare dozen methods that can be played in the same way using the EC
How to play one Dozen or one Column
You track the dozen or column for 6 spins and write them down so you get a line.
1
3
2
2
3
1
Now you can start to play and you will follow that line for 6 times and bet that the same will occur, 2 in a row.
12
32 W
21
22
3
1
Now you have to complete the group of 18 outcomes so you continue to write down the numbers in the same order as before
121
321 W
211
221
31
11
Keep doing that until you have a complete group of 18 outcomes whit the principal of 1/3 - like this:
121
321 W
211
221 W
313
113
Now you can start over again and track the first 6 outcomes and list them like this:
1
1
3
3
2
3
When you have six you start to play after that line.
Now the first bet is 1 the second is 1 and the third is 3 and you hope to get 2 of the same.
Lets say you didn't get 2 of the same and the line look like this:
12
12
21
32
23
12
Now the bet selection change.
Now you want to get 3 different results.
That they alternate like 231 or 312.
So lets take a look at the line again and if we have
12 then we will bet 3 or if we got 31 we would bet 2.
122
122
211
321 win its alternate.
23
12
So there is different ways you will try to gain a profit.
After we have the first line of 6 outcomes then we will try to get 2 of the same whit the second line for 6 attempts.
If the second line loses then we will try to get a alternate whit the third line, like 123 213 312 for 6 times.
Here you have a grahp Spilbank Hamburg 2005 01 01 Tabel 1
This is how it looks when you tracking the groups whit the principal of 1/3 whit 18 outcomes.
SPIELBANK HAMBURG 2005 01 01 TABEL 1
231
113
213
221
323
213
So there is different ways you will try to gain a profit.
After we have the first line of 6 outcomes then we will try to get 2 of the same whit the second line for 6 attempts.
If the second line loses then we will try to get a alternate whit the third line, like 123 213 312 for 6 times.
One other option or alternative is to aim for 121 212 or 323 insted of 123 and so on ...
Here you have a grahp Spilbank Hamburg 2005 01 01 Tabel 1
This is how it looks when you tracking the groups whit the principal of 1/3 whit 18 outcomes.
231
113
213
221
323
213
How to play the EC method using the dozen method above
Here we can make the samepel smaller with variant 1 ...
331 W
221 W
331 W
112 W
This is how the random bits look like for the clustering sequense above.
1
1
1
2
2
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
1
2
2
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
The winning sequense look like this - only example ....
333 W
332 W
331 W
322 W
321 W
311 LW
313 LLW
323 LLW
312 LLL
We can also use a line of Three clustering formations.
1
2
2
13 L
2
2
13 L
22 W
2
131
222
213
Cheers
So I fail to see the connection between groups of consecutive wins and simply writing
down the actual win result of the dozen. But I thank you for this explanation.
Let me review what you said, and repeat what I think you're saying. Tell me
if this is correct.
Now you can start to play and you will follow that line for 6 times and bet that the same will occur, 2 in a row.
12
32 W
21
22
3
1
You say that you are betting and looking for each dozen to occur 2 in a row.
You say that "32" is a win. How is 2 a repeat of 3?
And is "22" a win"?
So those are bets on a single dozen with a 2-1 payout. Am I correct?
Next we have this.
Now you have to complete the group of 18 outcomes so you continue to write down the numbers in the same order as before
121
321 W
211
221
31
11
And now after betting a single dozen in the first round of 6, we change. I assume we are
only betting on the row with unique (loss) results, and bet the 3rd line betting for the
3rd unique. Another 2-1 bet.
Am I close?
If so, it begs the question of how you will get a profit out of these
occasional hits.
And on the other forum
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/210/
in reply 210 you say,
Yes i am still testing and now i try Guetting Progression with four loses as stop loss and is Anlantis way.
You see two dozen strike you jump on board they will conintue, sometims i get following results WWWLWLWWWWLWWWLWWLWWLWLWWWLWWWWWWLWLWLWWW pretty good for 300 trails.
Which may be different from what you describe here.
I don't describe how to bet and when to bet - i just show options or variations.
For example you would aim for domination, then you would have at least one repeat among three attempts.
I have describe that method, if all Three alternating you will have Three loses LLL and if you win and lose you will have two loses LL and between you will have 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 winning strikes.
If you play for domination, but i don't tell you when to Enter the game or when to Exit the game, i just telling you that you can observe long winning strikes or long series where two events hits on regular basis.
The Matrix is no different, you see one single you play one single to repeat, if you get one single and one serie of two, then is up to you to play for alternating pattern next with the clustering formation or just aim for a repeat, the first result in three loses and the other in two loses - with the Matrix.
So nothing is written in stone.
If you search for a complet mechanical solution i can not help you.
Now the explination why 32 is a win or 23 when we aim for a repeat.
You see a serie of two hitting 2 and you want to play for a repeat, a serie.
Then it become a serie of two and you win 22 - but as you continue to tracking you see is was not a serie of two as it continue to grow larger to become a serie of four 24 - but it does not matter as you would only bet for a serie to repeat and you got a new serie to show.
This means there is a loop hole and one explination.
Series of two and three in any combination result as a win when you aim for a repeat as both are series.
And when you look at the chart with 1 in 9 odds you see all winning exept one, because is a bias as i explain in the line above.
But when we look at the distribution at it self so do we has as many singles as series, a 50/50 situation as R/B.
And if we look at singles being more then series of two and they are more then series of Three, so does it not matter in the short term as there is no difference because of vairance and fluctation.
The method that you have laid out is not the same as the original one.
The original one describes playing the last two dozen. I can envision easily seeing
wins of 20+. But not with this matrix method.
I also find it odd that you say there is no betting method or recommendation.
What is the point of a method then?
This was the original method post.
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Now we aim to play singles and series of two and series of three and higher.
Series of three and higher is the same group or categorie.
Now if you playing on rolling basis then your first bet is to follow the last hit and when you have two hits you follow the latest two.
When you get three uniq hits you will have three loses and then continue to follow the last two.
You will most of times win within 6 attempts if you play on a rolling basis as 6 alternating with 1 in 3 probability is very rare.
Or you can start playing after three alternating.
If you can come up with other ways to follow the domination, then feel free to create your own triggers.
1) Playing after three alternating
2) Playing on a rolling basis
3) Playing after one combination fall into sleep
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 17, 09:39 AM 2016
The method that you have laid out is not the same as the original one.
The original one describes playing the last two dozen. I can envision easily seeing
wins of 20+. But not with this matrix method.
I also find it odd that you say there is no betting method or recommendation.
What is the point of a method then?
I want you to see how Amazing there is to see two events with EC strike for 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 times in a row - when you see that you will see many winning options to explore.
So look at the random flow unfold and see how beatiful it is based upon my methodology where EC distribution comes with the odds 1 in 3 and not 1 in 2.
This means you get repeats/bias/domination.
That is the principal about this method.
No need to give away when or where to bet, that is the easy part when you understand the basics.
For example if i have 1 in 9 Dice - or 9 clustering patterns,combinations, then each Group is Three.
Then one Group will sleep and gurantee me a repeat/bias/domination as not all will alternate using a Dice with 9 sides.
This means i gurantee a winning session out of Three attempts, so i will win at least once out of Three and aim to win twice out of Three to winning more then i lose.
I use prediction with succés. Clustering EC into 1 in 3 probability. EC distribution with same distribution as dozen with bias/domination. Very common to see two events out of Three hitting 5. 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, times in a row.
Don't see past clustering results as gamblers fallacy, i see them as a Dice with odds and probability.
Here is one example that 8 Clustering Entering poinsts has bias/domination where only one combination fail.
333 a x
331 b xx
332 c
311 a xx
312 b x
313 c
322 a
321 b xx
323 c
- - -
222 a
221 b xx
223 c
211 a xx
212 b x
213 c
233 a
232 b
231 c xx
- - -
111 a
112 b xx
113 c x
122 a x
121 b xx
123 c
133 a x
131 b x
132 c x
Its easy to win when you use Dice as your benchmark and ride on sleepers to contine to sleep and put your Money on domination/repeats/bias.
But most don't understand the complexitiy behind clustering and using a Dice as benchmark for EC.
This means that two games i win all Three sessions and the last game i win two sessions out of Three - but is not about that.
This is about that two events out of three hitting and strike using EC with same odds and probability as dozen.
Thanks.
Do you mean 2 out of 3 and not 1 out of 3?
I see the matrix that you are making, but I HONESTLY can't see what
the translation to reality is. Here is a real list of roulette number data.
Can you run through 10-15 spins in detail so I can see the exact implementation please?
Show what you would do with real data. Once I see it in had results,
I will understand.
I am VERY interested in this.
Number Color even/odd dozen columb
10 B E 1 A
19 R O 2 A
17 B O 2 B
33 B O 3 C
13 B O 2 A
36 R E 3 C
29 B O 3 B
22 B E 2 A
8 B E 1 B
18 R E 2 C
27 R O 3 C
25 R O 3 A
6 B E 1 C
35 B O 3 B
23 R O 2 B
32 R E 3 B
34 R E 3 A
7 R O 1 A
8 B E 1 B
31 B O 3 A
31 B O 3 A
33 B O 3 C
21 R O 2 C
2 B E 1 B
10 B E 1 A
25 numbers.
10 B
19 R 1
17 B 1
33 B
13 B 3
36 R
29 B 1
22 B 3
8 B
18 R 1
27 R
25 R 3
6 B
35 B 1
23 R 1
32 R
34 R 3
7 R
8 B
31 B
31 B 3
33 B
21 R
2 B 1
10 B
Result
113
131
311
331
GREAT!!! I get it!!!!!!! It's what I thought.
Now please explain to me exactly what you do with it?
Before you do, let me point out that I have been LOCKED in the
singles, doubles triples loop for months now. NLE? And all that.
Trying to formulate this. So I'm on the same page. I have pages of
trip data next to me with indicators about doubles and singles and all.
So now, interpretation? We are making progress.
What am I seeing and looking to expect??
Result
113
131
311
331
Ok you have above 99% probability to win at least one session out of three and you have at least 98.5% probability winning two session out of three to win overall.
So if you use clever money management with clever staking plan to capture repeats/bias/domination you can win more then you lose - if you succed winning two session out of three.
Does two winning session should overcome the win target and loss target for the losing session and you are home free.
I will not give you a winning way, but i will give easy explination using a dice, so you understand the odds and probability.
Assume you play one group with nine formations or clustering patterns, then is the same as a dice with nine sides.
All nine clustering patterns will not show once for each comming trails - alternate.
At least one clustering pattern will be at sleep and continue to sleep.
This means you will have at least one repeat/bias/domination.
So indirect you have a gurante above 99% probability that one session will be won if you use regression as staking plan.
Next you will have two groups left with three clustering pattern each - that is a dice with six sides - and has 98.5% probability to have at least one clustering pattern to fall into sleep and create repeat/bias/domination - so this means you have 1.5% losing two sessions of more in a row - and your target is to win two session out of three.
So with my example above i show you just the Entering Points towards which Group who had bias.
1) First Group won all three sessions, but you would only play two, as you aim to win two out of three sessions.
2) Secound Group won all three sessions, but you would only play two, as you aim to win two out of three sessions.
3) You won two session out of three and won overall as two winning sessions should overvome the loss target of the losing session.
But that was just the Entering Points showing which Groups who had repeats/bias/domination.
Now the question is how many of them continue to strike for more repeats/bias/domination.
So this is just a benchmark or overall strategy how to play and when to go home.
Each casino visit should have a Daily bankroll or Daily game/session Money - but i prefer to Daily bankroll.
So lets say you will risk 40 units for each game/session.
Then you will have 20 unit loss limit.
Now you see the Picture, if you lose one session you will be down -20 units, and winning two session has to overcome that, so +10 or above should be your win target, lets say +10 units.
40 units One Game/Session Money
20 units loss limit
10 units win target
Now to what this strategy or method does not gurantee.
You never know when you entering a Group with repeats/bias/domination for how long it will continue or strike.
Sometimes one or twice and then you will not achive +10 units win target and have to start over a new session.
Still you face good odds and probability winning, but it can become a bumpy ride and you might have to quit Before you reach winning two session out of three with +10 units each.
Back to Daily Bankroll and the mechanism behind them.
Assume you face the hell sequense and losing all three sessions, then you don't walk home as a loser, you walk home as a proffesional who cut some loses for the day or visit.
I mention that you bring 40 units for one game/session, but you only lose 20 as your loss limit, that means you have 20 units left in your wallet Walking home and not empty pockets as a loser and you have Another session Money for Another day at the casino.
But in reality its different.
Assume you will try to win two session out of three, then you need 3 x 40 and that is 120 units for one casino visit.
That means when you won two sessions you would go home and not put your Money at risk again.
If you succed you would have +20 units playing several series to Catch repeats/bias/dominations - so a session attack would not end until you reach +10 units.
Assume you like to spend 8 hours or more in the casino, like me when i have time.
Eating dinner, snacks, and drinking bubble water.
If you would like or have time for more games then winning two out of three then you just increase your Daily bankroll to 240 units and follow the strategy above.
But this is not fiction, we talk about real Money, so you have to ask your self at what level you will play.
In my casino they have 10 Euro minimum for regular minimum table at EC.
To expensive and i have a Master Bankroll with 5K.
120 units x 10 EUR minimum = 1.2K i mention this to put things into perspective.
And 240 units x 10 EUR minimum = 2.5K
That is why you see 95% of all punters at this forum using all there Money and go all in when they play with no managment and wait for new salary from job to have chance to go to the casino again.
Or save Money to use a agressive progression and go all in and when they fail they have no Money left.
So the only option until you have 10K or above is to play airball machine with 1 Euro minimum, but that does not mean you have to play 1 Euro minimum.
You can pick 3 or 5 Euro minimum.
So what makes you happy, that is the question, is it Worth it to go to the casino to make 20 Euro, i would say no, but 30 or 50 Euro would make me happy.
This means 2,3,4 Euro as base value for your staking plan.
I would recommend Regression Up & Pull as staking plan.
Where you use three attempts progression to win once and then regression up and pull.
But HOW am I betting? What am I betting for.
My question is SO basic I think you are missing it. What
do I do with my hand on my body at the table? How many
chips do I pick up? And which dozen do I put them on? And when?
And why?
113
131
311
331
So for the above results. "1 1 3".
That means a "single dozen, a single dozen, a triple dozen". No matter
which dozen it is. Correct?
So when I see "1" or "1 1" and I have a trigger, does that mean that I am betting
for a 3rd occurance of that dozen? That is a one chip 2-1 bet on that dozen that just
appeared once.
However if I see "1 3 1". And I am at the "1 3" point, is my choice to bet "against
a single and a triple", or I wait for the next result and I bet the OTHER TWO dozens,
betting against a reoccurance of that dozen? "
I have also seen it done (by Atlantis on evens) where he sees a "single/double or single triple".
In both cases he then bets "against a double or triple" and what that means somehow is that
he bets for a CHOP. That is on a rolling basis.
How does having them in a matrix of 3 change that?
My question of selection is EXCEEDINGLY simple.
What is a "session"? And what does that involve?
What am I trying to accomplish?
Mogul i send you a roulette book that i would recommend you to read - i dont have time to teach you what a session is among other things - i apoliges for that - PM if you want a copy of a great roulette book that explain Everything about how to handle your Money and staking plans.
Cheers
The point of the question is, what does one do with the patterns.
What is one looking for.
It's like, "look. these numbers line up. 1 1 3 2 3 1.... whatever.
NO SHIT!!!! That helped.
Mogul, I feel your pain.
Quote from: onetaste on Dec 18, 08:42 PM 2016
Mogul, I feel your pain.
Thanks!!!!
(I really didn't want to hurt his ego)......