This has probably been done before, if it has then please tell. :)
This is a strategy that plays 1-4 numbers, but it's also a MM-strategy that's fun and might help those who don't know when to quit.
Let's say that you have a BR of 200 units. What you do is divide the BR into four parts with 50 units in each BR.
The strategy is when a number repeats, you bet on it with one BR. When another repeating number comes, you bet on it with another BR. Do that for all four BR, or just play with these two, it's your choice. When you get a hit, you close the BR for the session OR when a new repeater comes, open the BR again.
So when do you quit? Either when in profit or when one BR is empty. Example session, using spins weisbaden spielbank.
In this session, if you were to play with BR2 for another 14 spins and #2 never came up, you would have gone home with +10.
Enjoy.
EDIT: net should be +24, and not +27. Missed that while edit.
Yes, interesting thinking, thanks!
Read this:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13696.msg117848#msg117848
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 10, 02:55 PM 2016
Yes, interesting thinking, thanks!
Thanks, nextyear. :)
Quote from: Azim on Mar 10, 02:59 PM 2016
Read this:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13696.msg117848#msg117848
Um, could you point exactly where the relation of that method has with the method above? I understand the repeaters, but that method plays at most 24 numbers, while this one never plays more than 4, with 1 number divided for each BR.
You right, I picked the wrong one. Sorry.
Another session. +75 in 27 spins.
3rd session. +27 in 43 spins.
# T Info Bet
23
4
2
9
32
34
24
28
27
3
6
4 * BR1 open: 50u Bet #4
26
34 * BR2 open: 50u Bet #34
3 * BR3 open: 50u Bet #3
2 * BR4 open: 50u Bet #2
32
8
9
5
1
1
5
4 w BR1 close: 74u
23
35
36
2 w BR4 close 74u
10
11
4
25
6
29
20
9
24
33
11
24
2
10
3 w BR3 close 58u < stop close BR2: 21u
BR1: 74
BR2: 21
BR3: 58
BR4: 74
Total: 227
Net: +27
43 spins
4th session. +98 in 41 spins. Last for today.
# T Info Bet
28
25
25 * BR1 open: 50u 25
25 w BR1 close: 85u
15
13
17
5
3
28 * BR2 open: 50u 28
11
27
11 * BR3 open: 50u 11
9
11 w BR 3 close: 84u
11
1
35
36
11
26
29
20
13 * BR4 open: 50u 13
30
34
24
7
35
1
10
1
33
20
32
28 w BR2 close: 60u
32
18
12
20
13 w BR4 close: 69u stop
----------------
BR1: 85
BR2: 60
BR3: 84
BR4: 69
Total: 298
Net: +98
41 spins
Fifth session. This is the last for today. +89 in 37 spins.
# T Info Bet
32
7
30
15
0
30 * BR1 open: 50u #30
8
1
10
34
28
25
26
4
12
34 * BR2 open: 50u #34
14
3
31
13
9
29
21
13
28 * BR3 open: 50u #28
34 w BR2 close: 76u
13 * BR4 open: 50u #13
16
14
30 w BR1 close: 62u
12
14
31
7
29
13 w BR4 close: 77u
28 w BR3 close: 74u
-----------------
BR1: 62
BR2: 76
BR3: 74
BR4: 77
Total: 289
Net: +89
37 spins
I'm trying going to try and explain this politely.
The "one to four numbers with money management" could easily have been titled "one to four number with curve fitting".
My point is that "could of would of should of" doesn't do anything to help you win over time. If your system doesn't win flat betting, then it won't win with a progression. If the system relies on "hitting and running", then it will also fail over time. The reason is that you have no idea whether a trend will continue or end.
In the end, money management is nothing more than a mind game.
-The General
very good one celes----I will test some!!!!
Hello Celescliff,
Thanks for your interesting idea.
Your mm strategy looks practical and not subject to large draw down.
Can we apply this to the repeater system currently at the KTF post?
Best wishes and regards.
Quote
I'm trying going to try and explain this politely.
Sure.
Quote
The "one to four numbers with money management" could easily have been titled "one to four number with curve fitting".
My point is that "could of would of should of" doesn't do anything to help you win over time. If your system doesn't win flat betting, then it won't win with a progression.
I know that. You should give that advice to someone that shares a method that uses progression. This one uses flat.
Quote
If the system relies on "hitting and running", then it will also fail over time. The reason is that you have no idea whether a trend will continue or end.
In the end, money management is nothing more than a mind game.
I've never favoured hit and run. I always felt it's like you're trying to avoid a loss which you just can't. Noone knows when a trend will continue or end, but if you have an idea, I'm all ears.
Thanks for your input.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 10, 08:09 PM 2016
very good one celes----I will test some!!!!
Thank you, please do! :)
Quote from: sniper on Mar 10, 08:12 PM 2016
Hello Celescliff,
Thanks for your interesting idea.
Your mm strategy looks practical and not subject to large draw down.
Can we apply this to the repeater system currently at the KTF post?
Best wishes and regards.
Thank you, sniper. :thumbsup: I don't know if the question was directly to me or a call to notto or celtic, but my guess would probably be no, because of the amount of numbers you play with KTF. But I let them answer that. ;)
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 10, 08:56 PM 2016
I know that. You should give that advice to someone that shares a method that uses progression. This one uses flat.
Talk about a shot out of left field.
Math guy did not even read the method.
Otherwise he'd understand your MM meant 4 different banks.
Gotta love the math boys. So into the math stuff that they shout it out without reading.
Like vegans. They will tell you they are vegan, all the time, every time.
(link:://lolworthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/im-a-vegan-comic.jpg)
tested this twice ---made 3 out of 4 bankrolls plus 33u , made all 4 quickly plus 68 units-----really enjoy this bet!
@RG >> I love that urinal pic, funny stuff!
Ken
(link:s://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/88/d5/15/88d51575c21c593b27184bacb36a533a.jpg)
The Hilton in Las Vegas use to have similar wallpaper.
WTF? Nice!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 10, 10:26 PM 2016
tested this twice ---made 3 out of 4 bankrolls plus 33u , made all 4 quickly plus 68 units-----really enjoy this bet!
Great! Looking forward to see more. :thumbsup:
Two more sessions today. +51 in 17 spins and +95 in 37 spins.
# T Info Bet Info
27
22
11
6
34
26
21
6 * BR1 open: 50u #6
21 * BR2 open: 50u #21
4
26 * BR3 open: 50u #26
35
18
36
21 w BR2 close: 80u
25
6 w BR1 close: 77u BR 3 close: 44u
-----------------
BR1: 77
BR2: 80
BR3: 44
BR4: 50
Total: 251
Net: +51
17 spins
# T Info Bet
32
7
30
15
0
30 * BR1 open: 50u #30
8
1
10
34
28
25
26
4
12
34 * BR2 open: 50u #34
14
3
31
13
9
29
21
13 * BR3 open: 50u #13
28 * BR4 open: 50u #28
34 w BR2 close: 76u
13 w BR3 close: 83u
16
14
30 w BR1 close: 62u
12
14
31
7
29
13
28 w BR4 close: 74u
-------------
BR1: 62
BR2: 76
BR3: 83
BR4: 74
Total: 295
Net: +95
37 spins
And another. Last for today. +36 in 46 spins.
# T Info Bet
0
29
35
10
33
5
17
21
2
21 * BR1 open: 50u #21
18
13
24
15
0 * BR2 open: 50u #0
22
26
14
1
19
6
31
5
0 w BR2 close: 77u
17 * BR3 open: 50u #17
26 * BR4 open: 50u #26
13
15
16
2
19
35
16
17 w BR3 close: 77u
6
29
8
6
12
36
12
8
22
26 w BR4 close: 68u
4
33 L BR1 close: 14u
---------------
BR1: 14
BR2: 77
BR3: 77
BR4: 68
Total: 236
Net: +36
46 spins
Bravo Celes, good job Cliff!
played 1 session in a brick and morter. plus 43
@celescliff
thank you for providing your test result
my question why using 4 bankroll is better than one
i have test a lot system repeater with 1bankroll they are all loosing
thank
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 11, 07:18 AM 2016
And another. Last for today. +36 in 46 spins.
# T Info Bet
0
29
35
10
33
5
17
21
2
21 * BR1 open: 50u #21
18
13
24
15
0 * BR2 open: 50u #0
22
26
14
1
19
6
31
5
0 w BR2 close: 77u
17 * BR3 open: 50u #17
26 * BR4 open: 50u #26
13
15
16
2
19
35
16
17 w BR3 close: 77u
6
29
8
6
12
36
12
8
22
26 w BR4 close: 68u
4
33 L BR1 close: 14u
---------------
BR1: 14
BR2: 77
BR3: 77
BR4: 68
Total: 236
Net: +36
46 spins
Could someone please explain this to me a little better... I have a very hard time understanding this?
1. Is it correct, that you bet 1 unit on a repeated number up to 50 times and then stop - Unless you win of course?
2. If so, why not bet 36 times instead. You have already lost 36, why add more to that loss already?
Thanks :-)
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 11, 07:44 AM 2016
Bravo Celes, good job Cliff!
Thanks, nextyear. :)
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 11, 10:40 AM 2016
played 1 session in a brick and morter. plus 43
Great! :)
Quote from: roulettefan on Mar 11, 03:28 PM 2016
@celescliff
thank you for providing your test result
my question why using 4 bankroll is better than one
i have test a lot system repeater with 1bankroll they are all loosing
thank
Hey, Roulettefan. The main point is for you to control your BR, by divding your BR into four parts, and helps to know when to quit. You don't need to play each bankroll and this could apply to other bet selection for straight up numbers aswell.
Speaking of it. I had one session today that got me -52. By dividing the BR and used one number for each BR, it was easier to quit the session instead of going further down the hole.
Two session, the non-profit, and a quick 10 spin session. -52 in 46 spins and +31 in 10 spins.
# T Info Bet Info Info
8
1
17
26
2
19
28
10
23
20
2 * BR1 open: 50u #2
26 * BR2 open: 50u #26
24
33
22
10 * BR3 open: 50u #10
21
7
0
0 * BR4 open: 50u #0
22
5
34
29
20
21
16
28
27
6
16
27
32
22
32
30
1
35
16
30
21
3
32
9
0 w BR4 close: 61u
10 w BR3 close: 56u BR1 close: 15u BR2 close: 16u
------------------------------
BR1: 15
BR2: 16
BR3: 56
BR4: 61
Total: 148
Net: -52
46 spins
Decided to quit the other two BR when I got hit with BR3 and take the loss.
# T Info Bet Info
13
1
9
23
17
26
27
27 * BR1 open: 50u #27
13 * BR2 open: 50u #13
13 w BR2 close: 83u BR1 close: 48u
BR1: 48
BR2: 83
BR3: 50
BR4: 50
Total: 231
Net: +31
10 spins
This is the sum from all the sessions so far:
Session01: 224u (+24)
Session02: 275u (+75)
Session03: 227u (+27)
Session04: 298u (+98)
Session05: 289u (+89)
Session06: 251u (+51)
Session07: 295u (+95)
Session08: 236u (+36)
Session09: 148u (-52)
Session10: 231u (+31)
---------------
Profit: +471 units
Going away for the weekend, so no roulette until next week.
Have a nice weekend!
Quote from: Rourke on Mar 11, 04:19 PM 2016
Could someone please explain this to me a little better... I have a very hard time understanding this?
1. Is it correct, that you bet 1 unit on a repeated number up to 50 times and then stop - Unless you win of course?
2. If so, why not bet 36 times instead. You have already lost 36, why add more to that loss already?
Thanks :-)
1. That is one way of playing it.
2. But I play like this. Better to have 14u instead of 0. :)
The bet selection is up to you as a player.
im finding this 1-4 mm thing past good to very good--might start thinking grail soon, and my results line up with celest... great game for BM and you can play other games with it at the same time. I think whats happening is if 2 br bust you lose a little ... but on the whole you win 4 out 4 or 3 out 4.. which are winners. good bet selection and it wins flat!!!
kudos
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 11, 04:23 PM 2016
1. That is one way of playing it.
2. But I play like this. Better to have 14u instead of 0. :)
The bet selection is up to you as a player.
Ad. 1. How do you play this, Celescliff?
1 to 4 numbers.
Flat.
U wont get slack.
Ur winning.
Kudos.
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 10, 10:47 PM 2016
@RG >> I love that urinal pic, funny stuff!
Ken
u could be on the asteroid saving the planet and a vegan would float up and say im a vegan
Quote from: The General on Mar 10, 11:02 PM 2016
(link:s://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/88/d5/15/88d51575c21c593b27184bacb36a533a.jpg)
The Hilton in Las Vegas use to have similar wallpaper.
baccarat player? yea fo sho. HUAT!
i cant even hate though, most money i ever made gambling was following on the dragon bet....thanks bro...good bachelor party. god speed
might have been kimo li. not sure.
Quote from: Rourke on Mar 11, 05:08 PM 2016
Ad. 1. How do you play this, Celescliff?
I'm not sure I understand the question. I hardly never continue if one BR gets 36 losses. I rather save the 14u than tank the BR completly.
You see in this session (last for the weekend) that since I got a hit on 3/4 BR, I decided to not go any further with the fourth BR and let it stop at 33u.
+47 in 34 spins.
# T Info Bet Info
30
25
20
15
6
10
9
11
13
6 * BR1 open: 50u #6
12
8
12 * BR2 open: 50u #12
27
11 * BR3 open: 50u #11
14
30 * BR4 open: 50u #30
32
16
6 w BR1 close: 76u
21
28
21
26
24
34
16
12 w BR2 close: 71u
0
21
34
35
35
11 w BR3 close: 67u close BR4: 33u
----------------
BR1: 76
BR2: 71
BR3: 67
BR4: 33
Total: 247
Net: +47
34 spins
Thanks Celescliff, that answered my question in regards to how you play :-)
3 more tests, plus 63, plus 40, first loss minus 67
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 10, 09:40 PM 2016
Talk about a shot out of left field.
Math guy did not even read the method.
Otherwise he'd understand your MM meant 4 different banks.
Gotta love the math boys. So into the math stuff that they shout it out without reading.
Like vegans. They will tell you they are vegan, all the time, every time.
(link:://lolworthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/im-a-vegan-comic.jpg)
Makes him almost as stupid as me, huh RG?
I've done 10 sessions. It goes up and down. Just stop when around 40-60 units. Reset .
I also tried with a random choice of 4 numbers. Same results. :thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 11, 07:04 AM 2016
Great! Looking forward to see more. :thumbsup:
Two more sessions today. +51 in 17 spins and +95 in 37 spins.
# T Info Bet Info
27
22
11
6
34
26
21
6 * BR1 open: 50u #6
21 * BR2 open: 50u #21
4
26 * BR3 open: 50u #26
35
18
36
21 w BR2 close: 80u
25
6 w BR1 close: 77u BR 3 close: 44u
-----------------
BR1: 77
BR2: 80
BR3: 44
BR4: 50
Total: 251
Net: +51
17 spins
# T Info Bet
32
7
30
15
0
30 * BR1 open: 50u #30
8
1
10
34
28
25
26
4
12
34 * BR2 open: 50u #34
14
3
31
13
9
29
21
13 * BR3 open: 50u #13
28 * BR4 open: 50u #28
34 w BR2 close: 76u
13 w BR3 close: 83u
16
14
30 w BR1 close: 62u
12
14
31
7
29
13
28 w BR4 close: 74u
-------------
BR1: 62
BR2: 76
BR3: 83
BR4: 74
Total: 295
Net: +95
37 spins
I'm having a hard time following what you are doing. I don't know what "open and close"
mean. And I don't see which numbers you bet. From the charts.
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 10, 02:48 PM 2016
This has probably been done before, if it has then please tell. :)
This is a strategy that plays 1-4 numbers, but it's also a MM-strategy that's fun and might help those who don't know when to quit.
Let's say that you have a BR of 200 units. What you do is divide the BR into four parts with 50 units in each BR.
The strategy is when a number repeats, you bet on it with one BR. When another repeating number comes, you bet on it with another BR. Do that for all four BR, or just play with these two, it's your choice. When you get a hit, you close the BR for the session OR when a new repeater comes, open the BR again.
So when do you quit? Either when in profit or when one BR is empty. Example session, using spins weisbaden spielbank.
In this session, if you were to play with BR2 for another 14 spins and #2 never came up, you would have gone home with +10.
Enjoy.
EDIT: net should be +24, and not +27. Missed that while edit.
Seeing a number repeat and counting on a 3rd sounds dangerous.
Check page 200-201 of zumma.
Also, most tables are at least $5 min. That makes for some large bank and stakes.
(See, I came to my senses. I usually do)
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 12, 04:26 PM 2016
Seeing a number repeat and counting on a 3rd sounds dangerous.
Check page 200-201 of zumma.
Also, most tables are at least $5 min. That makes for some large bank and stakes.
(See, I came to my senses. I usually do)
have to pay the fiddler
-money u can afford to lose
-be confident in the method or dont play it
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 12, 03:58 PM 2016
I'm having a hard time following what you are doing. I don't know what "open and close"
mean. And I don't see which numbers you bet. From the charts.
That's because your blinder than a bat. All the information has already been written.
I don't want to be disrespectful, but you should really learn to read.
30 * BR1 open: 50u #30 : The first column are the number that has been spin. * is a mark for trigger BR1 is Bankroll 1 and I apply it with 50 units. #30 is telling what number I bet on.
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 12, 04:26 PM 2016
Seeing a number repeat and counting on a 3rd sounds dangerous.
Check page 200-201 of zumma.
Also, most tables are at least $5 min. That makes for some large bank and stakes.
All sessions aren't winners.
Quote
(See, I came to my senses. I usually do)
You usually don't. Even if your Zumma test doesen't show profit you should look more on the test me and others has done. Repeaters could be dangerous, but the whole point is the control of your BR using this.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 12, 03:41 PM 2016
I've done 10 sessions. It goes up and down. Just stop when around 40-60 units. Reset .
I also tried with a random choice of 4 numbers. Same results. :thumbsup:
Great work, Denzie! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 12, 01:55 PM 2016
3 more tests, plus 63, plus 40, first loss minus 67
+36 on those three test overall, then. Nice. :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 04:58 PM 2016
have to pay the fiddler
-money u can afford to lose
-be confident in the method or dont play it
Agree!
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 12, 04:26 PM 2016
Seeing a number repeat and counting on a 3rd sounds dangerous.
this is how math boys play. it works when it works. doesnt work when it doesnt work. just like all methods. whether its mine, proofreaders, ignatus, celescliffs, barney rubbles doesnt matter
Look in GUT, on the sheets you can see when 2X's become 3X's, a lot of the time it comes after spin 20, it shows how many 2 hits there are.
Whats the lenght of spins for 3x's to become 4x's? Dont for get Celticknits bet for 1x's, Ain't it all to do with the LOTT.
A good example after 20th spin
im pretty much stopping the session after 3 out of 4 hit ---seems safer--make a few less units ---but less aggravation also
mogul I checked page 200 in zumma
br 1---the 5 ----plus 16
br-2 the 11---plus 27
br 3 the 31---plus 30
br 4 the 7----minus 6
---------------------
plus 67 units
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 12, 09:08 PM 2016
mogul I checked page 200 in zumma
br 1---the 5 ----plus 16
br-2 the 11---plus 27
br 3 the 31---plus 30
br 4 the 7----minus 6
---------------------
plus 67 units
Awesome
Understanding the method makes ALL THE difference
Did the GUT tracker help, showed when the 4 BR's opened and how the win came after the 20th spin, plenty sheets to look at in Azim's Holy Grail thread
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 12, 09:08 PM 2016
mogul I checked page 200 in zumma
br 1---the 5 ----plus 16
br-2 the 11---plus 27
br 3 the 31---plus 30
br 4 the 7----minus 6
---------------------
plus 67 units
Thanks for clearing that up since I don't have that book. :thumbsup:
Remember everyone that you don't have to play every BR. I'm satisfied when I get a session like this:
24
24 * BR1 open: 50u #24
20
23
24 w BR1 close: 83u
35
5
5 * BR2 open: 50u #5
18
11
3
30
6
14
33
5 * BR2 close: 78u
-----------
BR1: 83
BR2: 78
BR3: 50
BR4: 50
Total: 261
Net: +61
16 spins
The sessions so far:
Session01: 224u (+24)
Session02: 275u (+75)
Session03: 227u (+27)
Session04: 298u (+98)
Session05: 289u (+89)
Session06: 251u (+51)
Session07: 295u (+95)
Session08: 236u (+36)
Session09: 148u (-52)
Session10: 231u (+31)
Session11: 267u (+67)
Session12: 247u (+47)
Session13: 236u (+36)
Session14: 183u (-17)
Session15: 261u (+61)
---------------------
Profit: +668 units
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 13, 04:19 AM 2016
Did the GUT tracker help, showed when the 4 BR's opened and how the win came after the 20th spin, plenty sheets to look at in Azim's Holy Grail thread
Thanks, notto. I will look at those sheets. :thumbsup:
Understanding the method makes ALL THE difference
Can you please explain please....
this is a method where cutoff points are to the player to decide--awesome system to me
Quote from: holymoly on Mar 13, 09:34 PM 2016
Understanding the method makes ALL THE difference
Can you please explain please....
read first post. its explained well!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 04:58 PM 2016
have to pay the fiddler
-money u can afford to lose
-be confident in the method or dont play it
Well in the first place, I think I was wrong about the losses.. Not
guaranteed, but typical.
But as far as what you said, yes. I think that it is a point to be considered. There are
"all kinds" here. Some have online 10 cent machines, and others B&M for $25 min.
Do the math.
Tom told me that he went to B&M and played for $15. Bought in for $500 and "that was
enough". The truth about that is that that is play with 33 units. Not even one of the 4 banks.
But "that was enough". Tom has a habit of being able to walk into a casino, throw his money
out, and the politely gather it up for him and pay him for his trouble. (That's not a slam at
Tom, in case he reads this. Just kind of a truth)
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 12, 05:10 PM 2016
That's because your blinder than a bat. All the information has already been written.
I don't want to be disrespectful, but you should really learn to read.
I take no disrespect. Like I have admitted to RG and others, sometimes I get in here and am stupid.
I actually USED TO BE like a human computer. Seriously. And I am getting burned out following the
stock market, gambling systems. etc. By brain does what I call the "wallpaper test" to see if it sticks.
Usually (this is the rule, not the exception) I chime in and knock methods down with in 2 pages of zumma.
Not what I want. But I don't want to waste my time. It is looking like this method may have some merit
and is working. I reserve the right to change my mind. But I show up and test in spurts. If it holds up after
3-4 tries, it gets my attention.
Yes, I am getting burned out and admittedly am a little quick on the draw.
actually mogul I told you I walked in with 4k changed 500 into chips and never had to change anymore....
not sure of the point on all of this as 15 is the minimum on tables at my local joint twin rivers
what does kind of a truth mean?
@notto. ... how would you play this? As we go for a third hit....start after spin 20? Cuz 3 hits in our first 20 spins aren't that common.
Hmm depending on the count.... go in around spin 21 . But I would choose 4 unique . The average doc could help here. We get much more 1 repeaters than 2 repeaters. Just thinking out loud here......
Yes Deni, just keep on thinking, it sounds logical (as opposite of real life).
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 12, 05:10 PM 2016
All sessions aren't winners.
Not sure if I have this right, but 50 spins a la the bank is the "loss"? Or did someone come
up with a creative bank stop loss when I wasn't looking?
Also, the question of multiple repeats/fresh numbers comes up. I do see instances when a number
continues to repeat.
1) How many spins are allowed for a number to be considered a "repeat" (tied to the earlier one?)
2) If it repeats, how long does it have to be dead to reload it as a number? To start a count again?
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 14, 02:18 PM 2016
Not sure if I have this right, but 50 spins a la the bank is the "loss"? Or did someone come
up with a creative bank stop loss when I wasn't looking?
That's for you to decide if you want to go 50 spins. I hardly ever go past 36 spins on one BR. If I haven't got a hit in 36 times on one number I rather save the 14, then keep going. I also usually stop when I get 2-3 out of 4 BR hits and not keep going with the last BR. You could see in the previous sessions how I've done.
Quote
Also, the question of multiple repeats/fresh numbers comes up. I do see instances when a number
continues to repeat.
1) How many spins are allowed for a number to be considered a "repeat" (tied to the earlier one?)
2) If it repeats, how long does it have to be dead to reload it as a number? To start a count again?
1) When a repeat comes I bet on it. Several repeats tends to come within 10-20 spins.
2) When a BR closes, then I don't play it anymore until the next session. So when you get 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 hits, if I'm in profit I quit the session and start fresh.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 14, 12:18 PM 2016
@notto. ... how would you play this? As we go for a third hit....start after spin 20? Cuz 3 hits in our first 20 spins aren't that common.
Yes after spin 20 seems to show 2's become 3's. These GUT sheets are pretty much the same.
Gut 8 shows the 4 open but dont close, but the 2's become 3, spin 29,which opened a couple of spins earlier.
A few from the archive, as said, in Azims Holy grail in testing zone, theres more sheets you can see after 20th.
Again theres a decision do you take the early win
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 14, 03:19 PM 2016
Yes after spin 20 seems to show 2's become 3's. These GUT sheets are pretty much the same.
Gut 8 shows the 4 open but dont close, but the 2's become 3, spin 29,which opened a couple of spins earlier.
A few from the archive, as said, in Azims Holy grail in testing zone, theres more sheets you can see after 20th.
Again theres a decision do you take the early win
Not sure what the point is. And as usual, I can't follow whatever you're doing in those graphs.
Did some more testing. Pg 248 of zumma. Yeah celescliff. I know you don't have one.
Maybe you should get one. Helps run quick tests that you can accumulate.
Got confusing. Was starting a split on wins and losses.
loss +35 +34 loss loss loss +29 +30. Page 248. I'll leave it to you.
Pg 253 started loss loss +28 +10.
So I'm seeing a lot of spilits in the results. Not the total windfall. And as I say,
it usually only takes a couple rounds of zumma to keep you honest. That's beem
my experience and result here. And my reputation.
Just trying to keep people from getting to excited or wasting their time.
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 14, 04:50 PM 2016
Not sure what the point is. And as usual, I can't follow whatever you're doing in those graphs.
Did some more testing. Pg 248 of zumma. Yeah celescliff. I know you don't have one.
Maybe you should get one. Helps run quick tests that you can accumulate.
Got confusing. Was starting a split on wins and losses.
loss +35 +34 loss loss loss +29 +30. Page 248. I'll leave it to you.
Pg 253 started loss loss +28 +10.
So I'm seeing a lot of spilits in the results. Not the total windfall. And as I say,
it usually only takes a couple rounds of zumma to keep you honest. That's beem
my experience and result here. And my reputation.
Just trying to keep people from getting to excited or wasting their time.
That's because even an easy method like this is to advanced for you. And if you read the posts, the point in this is not the bet selection.
I now have my first name on my ignore list. Could you guess which one?
Ok, three more for today. +34 in 42 spins, +8 in 36 spins and +44 in 31 spins.
# T Info Bet Info
13
6
10
23
8
25
33
22
15
18
4
35
10 * BR1 open: 50u #10
25 * BR2 open: 50u #25
2
12
18 * BR3 open: 50u #18
5
2
11
27
17
23 * BR4 open: 23u #23
0
26
23 w BR4 close: 83u
0
22
5
12
18 w BR3 close: 72u +20
31
14
24
30
12
16
13
9
11
20
10 w BR1 close: 57u BR2 close: 22u
-----------------------------
BR1: 57
BR2: 22
BR3: 72
BR4: 83
Total: 234
Net: +34
42 spins
# T Info Bet Info Info
18
25
20
24
12
33
35
22
19
36
31
22 * BR1 open: 50u #22
32
16
19 * BR2 open: 50u #19
13
21
4
34
34 * BR3 open: 50u #34
26
32 * BR4 open: 50u #32
36
6
32 w BR4 close: 83u
30
17
27
31
28
3
12
28
28
28
34 w BR3 close: 70u BR1 close: 26u BR2 close: 29u
-----------------------------
BR1: 26
BR2: 29
BR3: 70
BR4: 83
Total: 208
Net: +8
36 spins
# T Info Bet Info
15
10
1
36
16
22
10 * BR1 open: 50u #10
13
8
1 * BR2 open: 50u #1
15 * BR3 open: 50u #15
9
7
36 * BR4 open: 50u #36
1 w BR2 close: 81u
3
27
0
13
17
14
3
29
33
23
27
25
13
36 w BR4 close: 71u
23
15 w BR3 close: 66u Close BR1: 26u
-----------------------------
BR1: 26
BR2: 81
BR3: 66
BR4: 71
Total: 244
Net: +44
31 spins
Session01: 224u (+24)
Session02: 275u (+75)
Session03: 227u (+27)
Session04: 298u (+98)
Session05: 289u (+89)
Session06: 251u (+51)
Session07: 295u (+95)
Session08: 236u (+36)
Session09: 148u (-52)
Session10: 231u (+31)
Session11: 267u (+67)
Session12: 247u (+47)
Session13: 236u (+36)
Session14: 183u (-17)
Session15: 261u (+61)
Session16: 234u (+34)
Session17: 208u (+8)
Session18: 244u (+44)
---------------
Profit: +754 units
celes your averaging what I am ----average win plus 40 with losses included in that
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 14, 04:59 PM 2016
That's because even an easy method like this is to advanced for you. And if you read the posts, the point in this is not the bet selection.
I now have my first name on my ignore list. Could you guess which one?
Even though I'm being ignored, I'd beg to differ with you. Bet selection is still
ALL the method. IF you don't get any hits, your banks lose.
I have no problem finding losing sessions. I guess someone as advanced as you doesn't have
the test book that everyone else has, showing your depth of experience.
I'll just sit on the side lines and watch this one fade into the darkness.
OH. When that happens, would one of you be so kind to tell celest "I told you so"?
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 15, 12:48 PM 2016
Even though I'm being ignored, I'd beg to differ with you. Bet selection is still
ALL the method. IF you don't get any hits, your banks lose.
I have no problem finding losing sessions. I guess someone as advanced as you doesn't have
the test book that everyone else has, showing your depth of experience.
I'll just sit on the side lines and watch this one fade into the darkness.
OH. When that happens, would one of you be so kind to tell celest "I told you so"?
I never had luck with hotnumbers,...don't want to ruin this thread,..but a small wingoal and proper moneymanagement it may work yes,..
I don't know why the "roulette experts" are so horny about hotnumbers, it still puzzles me, what is the magic trick?? i haven't found yet, and i believe i tried every possible combination with hotnumbers (including this one)...
@Ignatus. .... you tried and understand GUT?
Did you read the KTF thread?
Did you check Notto his average doc ?
With that info you can bet 4 numbers. (Or more) :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Mar 15, 01:31 PM 2016
@Ignatus. .... you tried and understand GUT?
Did you read the KTF thread?
Did you check Notto his average doc ?
With that info you can bet 4 numbers. (Or more) :thumbsup:
KTF, was published just after my idea "The Robber", link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16466.msg145508#msg145508 but it's ok to steal ideas and tweak systems...
Quote from: ignatus on Mar 15, 01:54 PM 2016
KTF, was published just after my idea "The Robber", link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16466.msg145508#msg145508 but it's ok to steal ideas and tweak systems...No steal idea, been working on KTF for years, even mentioned it on the VLS site
ok, if you say so..
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Quote from: darrynf on January 18, 2011, 06:41:01 PM
thats true but I dont need feed back or pointers cause I know what my system is capeable and I havent seen anyone else use the same idea as I have, sompeople use the concept of waiting ofr repeaters but my idea takes it to a new level.
its very difficult to explain how it works, and there will be people who wont understand it and use it wrong and then tell me it dosent work.
which I know for a fact it dose, I have no need for anyones opoin about my system and I dont want it tarnish, its difficult cause you have to chose when to bet and keep track of all numbers.
I use tools to help me do that, newbie woulnt understand as it has so many advantages when the numbers are right.
let me ask you this, what is more likely to come up after 30 spins, repeating numbers or a new number?
how do we use this to our advantage, even though my method dosent perdict which will happen, but my pattern tells me when or more likely which one will happen and thats how it works and still havent lost a session.
Hello DF
after 30 spins both, new numbers and repeats of those numbers.
only play rgn and record these games and over 800 games recorded. the avg is 15.84932 new numbers in 30 spins,i know shouldn't but drop the .84932, leaves a nice 15,half the 30 spins new numbers the other 15 repeats.
like you say dont believe me, try for your self, have 10 spins if no repeat add 15 to the 10 numbers gone and after the next 30 spins you will either hit 25 numbers on the mat/field, or be close, very close. if you look on general board you'll see some rgn games i played at ladbrokes stevenage and another in turners biggleswade, there both side by side.
But like you say is anyone making money, well i do and believe you could be, my old dad said people say you cant win because they cant, bloody cheek
Yes:
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=17507.msg151136#msg151136
Alright, this is my sessions so far. Even if it looses sometimes, the wins, so far, adds up.
Session01: 224u (+24)
Session02: 275u (+75)
Session03: 227u (+27)
Session04: 298u (+98)
Session05: 289u (+89)
Session06: 251u (+51)
Session07: 295u (+95)
Session08: 236u (+36)
Session09: 148u (-52)
Session10: 231u (+31)
Session11: 267u (+67)
Session12: 247u (+47)
Session13: 236u (+36)
Session14: 183u (-17)
Session15: 261u (+61)
Session16: 234u (+34)
Session17: 208u (+8)
Session18: 244u (+44)
Session19: 203u (+3)
Session20: 165u (-35)
Session21: 218u (+18)
Session22: 264u (+64)
Session23: 236u (+36)
Session24: 212u (+12)
Session25: 240u (+40)
Session26: 236u (+36)
---------------
Profit: +928 units
Quote from: celescliff on Mar 15, 07:54 PM 2016
Alright, this is my sessions so far. Even if it looses sometimes, the wins, so far, adds up.
Session01: 224u (+24)
Session02: 275u (+75)
Session03: 227u (+27)
Session04: 298u (+98)
Session05: 289u (+89)
Session06: 251u (+51)
Session07: 295u (+95)
Session08: 236u (+36)
Session09: 148u (-52)
Session10: 231u (+31)
Session11: 267u (+67)
Session12: 247u (+47)
Session13: 236u (+36)
Session14: 183u (-17)
Session15: 261u (+61)
Session16: 234u (+34)
Session17: 208u (+8)
Session18: 244u (+44)
Session19: 203u (+3)
Session20: 165u (-35)
Session21: 218u (+18)
Session22: 264u (+64)
Session23: 236u (+36)
Session24: 212u (+12)
Session25: 240u (+40)
Session26: 236u (+36)
---------------
Profit: +928 units
This is how winning methods are built!!!
Keep up the great work!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thanks alot, law! :thumbsup:
@ celescliff & thelaw...
Good work guys, apologies if this been explained already as I see there have been some tweaks since the original posts. Are both you guys playing the same way i.e quitting when 3 of the 4 BR close, and/or, only playing the 36 spins per number?
EDIT: just read back on the thread got it all now - no set rules per say, up to the individual how they want to play it based on the initial "rules" :thumbsup:
Quote from: JimmieB on Mar 16, 01:33 PM 2016
@ celescliff & thelaw...
Good work guys, apologies if this been explained already as I see there have been some tweaks since the original posts. Are both you guys playing the same way i.e quitting when 3 of the 4 BR close, and/or, only playing the 36 spins per number?
EDIT: just read back on the thread got it all now - no set rules per say, up to the individual how they want to play it based on the initial "rules" :thumbsup:
You got it. :thumbsup:
Rough idea.....
zumma page 255. Opened book at random............
Looking for 3rd repeat within 36 spins.
Double Result (num of spins till hit 3rd time)
31 Loss
21 Loss
27 12
35 8
1 33
20 Loss.
I presume that maybe the rules say if you hit a loss right away, you quit.
Of course you would be chasing 3-4 other banks while waiting for the loss,
and not recouping losses with the wins.
I guess zumma wrote the book to generate losses for this.
Next page please?
Awesome stuff Celescliff!
Roughly how many total flat bets have you placed so far during your 26 sessions?
Quote from: amk on Mar 16, 06:08 PM 2016
Awesome stuff Celescliff!
Roughly how many total flat bets have you placed so far during your 26 sessions?
Thanks, amk. :)
Sorry, I haven't kept count on that. All the sessions have never been over 50 spins, most have been around 30-40 spins and the repeaters have often come within the first 10-15 spins. The total amount of spins have been around 700 minus 10 spins per session so around 500 flat bets have been made, I would roughly guess, but I'm not sure.
Very nice idea Celesclif. I am really chuffed to see the results. I also randomly took a set of numbers from Zumma and started playing this. Following is the set of numbers. Do you mind checking if this is how you will play this. Probably I just got unlucky at the first go or I am not getting the way it should be played.
20
17
30
22
14
29
25
12
3
22 * BR1 open: 50 u 22
8
14 * BR2 open: 50 u 14
30 * BR3 open: 50 u 30
26
5
32
26 * BR4 open: 50 u 26
21
12
36
11
1
37
28
36
24
27
32
27
11
5
25
22 w BR1 close: 63 u
4
11
34
25
27
25
0
21
22
33
19
32
3
14 w BR2 close: 51 u
7
33 l BR3 close: 14 u BR4 close: 18 u
Quote from: Foolwise on Mar 16, 08:12 PM 2016
Very nice idea Celesclif. I am really chuffed to see the results. I also randomly took a set of numbers from Zumma and started playing this. Following is the set of numbers. Do you mind checking if this is how you will play this. Probably I just got unlucky at the first go or I am not getting the way it should be played.
No, you got it right. The only thing I would have done different is close the remaining BR when you got a win on BR2, leaving with 16 and 20. So -50 in that session.
You will have sessions that don't get profit. During my sessions I've had three, some others that plays this have had similar results as mine and some have had two losses in a row but not three. Not saying it wont happen, but the losses often don't come clustered.
Your session is an example what this is all about, control the BR and know when to quit, which is the point in this. It's been a lot easier to quit and start fresh than going further down and maybe loose it all in one sit, using this MM.
Thank you for testing, Foolwise, and hope to see more sessions from you. But hopefully ones that shows profit. ;)
Thanks and I will follow your advice on that closing bankroll. I was trying to run through the zumma books and it really took me for a bite. Afterall, I can now see why Mogul says its not working for him on the Zumma. May be I should try spins from somewhere else.
The zumma 15000 started like this and it is very volatile. May be I should try spins from somewhere else :(
Session 1 +9u
Session 2 +15u
Session 3 -50u
Session 4 +3u
Session 5 +21u
Session 6 -112u
Session 7 -34u
@Foowise
thank you as you are an independant tester
a good system mut work the same almost on every kind od real spin
i think that your test is close to the reality
and per haps celescliff have been lucky too mutch
but let s continue your test we follow you Foolwise
and thank you again celescliff for your system
Quote from: Foolwise on Mar 17, 12:34 PM 2016
Thanks and I will follow your advice on that closing bankroll. I was trying to run through the zumma books and it really took me for a bite. Afterall, I can now see why Mogul says its not working for him on the Zumma. May be I should try spins from somewhere else.
The zumma 15000 started like this and it is very volatile. May be I should try spins from somewhere else :(
Session 1 +9u
Session 2 +15u
Session 3 -50u
Session 4 +3u
Session 5 +21u
Session 6 -112u
Session 7 -34u
Quote from: roulettefan on Mar 17, 12:51 PM 2016
@Foowise
thank you as you are an independant tester
a good system mut work the same almost on every kind od real spin
i think that your test is close to the reality
and per haps celescliff have been lucky too mutch
but let s continue your test we follow you Foolwise
and thank you again celescliff for your system
Thanks guys.
I agree with roulettefan that it must work on every kind of real spins. Then again, the people that has shared their results and experience with this to me has not resemble the results you're having, Foowise, so it's not just me that has been lucky. I myself play online with live dealer, real money and some has played this at B&M casino, with similar results as mine. Even RNG has been tested with this. None has had -112u. I don't have the zumma myself so I can't look at it.
I must say though, that this can work with other bet selections aswell, it's the BR control that's the core in this.
Let's see how it goes and thank you guys again. :thumbsup:
Might be worth it to lay out all of the rules explicitly in an updated post.
I've seen this discrepancy happen with too many methods where someone is deviating from the system, and getting skewed results.
This is where static methods always have an advantage over "choose your own adventure" systems!!! :thumbsup:
Hi celescliff
Bit of RNG on FOBT for you.
just tried this manually and was +88 after 51 spins
this will be a killer :thumbsup: method to use on a bot where you can add bank roll ....set win/loss and just let it play
having 3 bots running at the same time on one Game one bot to recognise black numbers one for red numbers
and one for green zero only
each bot will have its own lite or mild progression based on one number.
basically one game 3 bots following 3 numbers individually
ALOT of results and testing will be needed before going via bot
programme using Live roulette is the hard and expensive bit.
This was the sequence.
17
27
15
17 *
10
13
12
24
26
21
11
21 *
23
12 *
22
10 *
3
4
6
9
0
32
27
9
2
11
4
26
6
35
1
35
11
4
5
14
22
34
30
Nice set of spins KTF +44
Sorry celes but numbers to see if the KTF can win. Even got the avg 7 non-hit in spins 11-20
Quote from: icashbot on Mar 17, 03:04 PM 2016
just tried this manually and was +88 after 51 spins
Thanks alot, Icash! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Foolwise on Mar 17, 05:52 PM 2016
This was the sequence.
Yeah, that was a bad run. :-\
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 17, 06:16 PM 2016
Nice set of spins KTF +44
Sorry celes but numbers to see if the KTF can win. Even got the avg 7 non-hit in spins 11-20
That's okay, notto. I like that KTF does well. :)
I still can't get how you're getting such bad sessions. Here's two from today:
# T Info Bet Info Info
11
11 * BR1 open: 50u #11
23
3
3 * BR2 open: 50u #3
22
7
6
2
32
28
12
18
28 * BR3 open: 50u #28
28 w BR3 close: 85
28
26
27
17
10
5
26 * BR4 open: 50u #26
18
13
15 w BR2 close: 66u BR1 close: 27u BR4 close: 47u
-----------------------------
BR1: 27
BR2: 66
BR3: 85
BR4: 47
Total: 225
Net: +25
25 spins
# T Info Bet Info
34
5
10
33
35
10 * BR1 open: 50u #10
10 w BR1 close: 85u
7
3
4
9
23
25
14
16
33 * BR2 open: 50u #33
11
7 * BR3 open: 50u #7
17
32
32 * BR4 open: 50u #32
34
28
24
7 w BR3 close: 79u
3
5
23
21
18
6
18
32 w BR4 close: 74u BR2 close: 33u
-----------------------------
BR1: 85
BR2: 33
BR3: 79
BR4: 74
Total: 271
Net: +71
33 spins
Session01: 224u (+24)
Session02: 275u (+75)
Session03: 227u (+27)
Session04: 298u (+98)
Session05: 289u (+89)
Session06: 251u (+51)
Session07: 295u (+95)
Session08: 236u (+36)
Session09: 148u (-52)
Session10: 231u (+31)
Session11: 267u (+67)
Session12: 247u (+47)
Session13: 236u (+36)
Session14: 183u (-17)
Session15: 261u (+61)
Session16: 234u (+34)
Session17: 208u (+8)
Session18: 244u (+44)
Session19: 203u (+3)
Session20: 165u (-35)
Session21: 218u (+18)
Session22: 264u (+64)
Session23: 236u (+36)
Session24: 212u (+12)
Session25: 240u (+40)
Session26: 236u (+36)
Session27: 225u (+25)
Session28: 271u (+71)
---------------
Profit: +1024 units
I have to think about this. The BR management stays, but could look for other ways to see if a better bet selection might be more suitable.
Thanks for all your contributions! :thumbsup:
So at what point would winning become a forgone conclusion?
Currently : 3 Losses / 25 wins
So what if we see : 12 Losses / 100 Wins?
How many wins would we need to see before it becomes statisticallly improbably that this is a "lucky" set of results? :question:
It's truly amazing how few threads in the history of this forum have actually kept a W/L count..........way to go Celescliff!!! :thumbsup:
# T Info Bet Info Info
11
11 * BR1 open: 50u #11
23
3
3 * BR2 open: 50u #3
22
7
6
2
32
28
12
18
28 * BR3 open: 50u #28
28 w BR3 close: 85
28
26
27
17
10
5
26 * BR4 open: 50u #26
18
13
15 w BR2 close: 66u BR1 close: 27u BR4 close: 47u <<-- WTF IS THIS SHIT????
-----------------------------
BR1: 27
BR2: 66
BR3: 85
BR4: 47
Total: 225
Homework should be to first read few posts... and then ask questions (politely)...
BR2 is 3 or 15? OR maybe another one?
Quote from: Smoczoor on Mar 18, 03:57 AM 2016
# T Info Bet Info Info
11
11 * BR1 open: 50u #11
23
3
3 * BR2 open: 50u #3
22
7
6
2
32
28
12
18
28 * BR3 open: 50u #28
28 w BR3 close: 85
28
26
27
17
10
5
26 * BR4 open: 50u #26
18
13
15 w BR2 close: 66u BR1 close: 27u BR4 close: 47u <<-- WTF IS THIS SHIT????
-----------------------------
BR1: 27
BR2: 66
BR3: 85
BR4: 47
Total: 225
Does anybody know where these #'s come from. Look like airball to me, see repeats or should i say patterns of repeats like this on jackpot 247, which is airball.
Quote from: thelaw on Mar 17, 11:06 PM 2016
So at what point would winning become a forgone conclusion?
Currently : 3 Losses / 25 wins
So what if we see : 12 Losses / 100 Wins?
How many wins would we need to see before it becomes statisticallly improbably that this is a "lucky" set of results? :question:
It's truly amazing how few threads in the history of this forum have actually kept a W/L count..........way to go Celescliff!!! :thumbsup:
Thanks alot!
> How many wins would we need to see before it becomes statisticallly improbably that this is a "lucky" set of results?
I wish I knew. I really do.
Quote from: Smoczoor on Mar 18, 03:57 AM 2016
# T Info Bet Info Info
11
11 * BR1 open: 50u #11
23
3
3 * BR2 open: 50u #3
22
7
6
2
32
28
12
18
28 * BR3 open: 50u #28
28 w BR3 close: 85
28
26
27
17
10
5
26 * BR4 open: 50u #26
18
13
15 w BR2 close: 66u BR1 close: 27u BR4 close: 47u <<-- WTF IS THIS SHIT????
-----------------------------
BR1: 27
BR2: 66
BR3: 85
BR4: 47
Total: 225
Quote from: Smoczoor on Mar 18, 04:06 AM 2016
BR2 is 3 or 15? OR maybe another one?
I honestly don't know where 15 came from. I looked at my notes and it says 3.
# T Info Bet Info Info
11
11 * BR1 open: 50u #11
23
3
3 * BR2 open: 50u #3
22
7
6
2
32
28
12
18
28 * BR3 open: 50u #28
28 w BR3 close: 85
28
26
27
17
10
5
26 * BR4 open: 50u #26
18
13
3 w BR2 close: 66u BR1 close: 27u BR4 close: 47u
Thanks for noticing.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 18, 04:19 AM 2016
Does anybody know where these #'s come from. Look like airball to me, see repeats or should i say patterns of repeats like this on jackpot 247, which is airball.
#'s is just a reminder for me which numbers I should bet. I play at fast roulette so it's easier to see what numbers I should bet on if it has seperate column.
tested twice more
plus 67
plus 11
Good to see Tom, i thought this was going on the shelf just to collect dust, Good method keep testing
Thanks guys. I'm still doing good with this, myself. :thumbsup:
Hi Celescliff
I was wondering how you record the spins, do you use pen/paper. The Gut paper tracker shows when 2x appear and when they become 3 nicely.
Just wondering, has the general been in yet RLOL
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 30, 08:45 AM 2016
Hi Celescliff
I was wondering how you record the spins, do you use pen/paper. The Gut paper tracker shows when 2x appear and when they become 3 nicely.
Just wondering, has the general been in yet RLOL
Hey, notto. I record the spins using excel. Thinking of making a tool to more automate the process with tracking and manage the bankrolls.
Will look at those sheets. Thanks. :thumbsup:
How this is going so far?
Quote from: denzie on Mar 30, 09:09 AM 2016
How this is going so far?
I'm still doing good with this. I don't win every session but it still holds up nicely. :thumbsup:
I also have a friend at work that played this last weekend and earned 252$.
tested 3 more times and played it once in a casino all positive, 1 test lost,,,, so 4 and 1
This seems to be working pretty well. I wait for at least 18 spins between repeaters before starting betting on them. Here the sessions I tested on a live wheel:
Session 1: +25
Session 2: +20
Session 3: +30
Session 4: +57
Session 5: +23
Session 6: +31
Simon.
So when the trigger is there then wait 18 spins first ? And if you hit before those 18 then Retrack ?
Quote from: denzie on Apr 04, 03:26 AM 2016
So when the trigger is there then wait 18 spins first ? And if you hit before those 18 then Retrack ?
Well, actually, no. Let say that you arrive at the table, and the first spin is 5. If 5 happens again in the 18 next spins, I dont open it with a bankroll.
Let say that the second number is 8. If 8 happens again after the next 18 spins, I open a bankroll with it. Etc...
Dont ask me why I do this... :wink: It`s maybe because I had so much bad sessions with betting repeaters when starting the session, I was wondering if it would be working better. Looks like it is working better for me. Well see in future session.
I really like this method. Seems to be working good. Low bankroll needed. No progression. Win rate is good. Even if it was only two sessions out of three... It would be good. I have not lost one yet. I am intrigued to see loosing sessions with no more that 50 units.... I wonder when you know that you are in a loosing session and when to pull the plug.
Simon.
simon if you could elaborate more--so you wait 18 spins and start betting the doubles for your version of 1-4? in general i like this bet but felt it needed a tweak
Simon
have a look at reply 60, see when 2x's become 3x's
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 04, 12:19 PM 2016
simon if you could elaborate more--so you wait 18 spins and start betting the doubles for your version of 1-4? in general i like this bet but felt it needed a tweak
Let me try to make this clearer:
Here is fictional results since I dont have my last results with me.
1) 3
2) 5
3) 18
4) 34
5) 1
6) 0
7) 19
8) 1 --- I DONT open with number 1 since repeats are NOT spaced by at least 18 spins.
9) 7
10) 36
11) 31
12) 31 --- I DONT open with number 31 since repeats are NOT spaced by at least 18 spins.
13) 4
14) 9
15) 5 --- I DONT open with number 5 since repeats are NOT spaced by at least 18 spins.
16) 21
17) 24
18) 11
19) 2
20) 6
21) 3 --- I OPEN one BR with number 3 since repeats ARE spaced by at least 18 spins.
22) 24 --- I DONT open with number 24 since repeats are NOT spaced by at least 18 spins.
23) 34 --- I OPEN one BR with number 34 since repeats ARE spaced by at least 18 spins.
24) 31 --- I DONT open with number 31 since repeats are NOT spaced by at least 18 spins.
25) 35
26) 10
Etc…
I open 4 bankrolls total with 37 units in each if none wins before the 4th is opened. I close all when one wins and at a higher high.
That`s about it.
I hope it makes things clearer.
In all my sessions I havent opened more than 3 BR.
Simon.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 04, 12:39 PM 2016
Simon
have a look at reply 60, see when 2x's become 3x's
Hmmm!! Interesting!! Thanks!!!
Simon.
ok got ya --this might tighten the bet up
BTW... I was wondering.... is people here playing this on RNG or real wheel??
Most of my sessions are with Live Dealers. Since I dont need much time to place the bets.... It can be played almost everywhere. I havent played this on RNG.
Two of these sessions are on Online Slingshot Airball wheel. Good results too.
Simon.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 04, 01:01 PM 2016
ok got ya --this might tighten the bet up
Try it and let me know your results!!
Simon.
Whats with this one? did it lose? seems a good bet?
This work good, still lose like all system sometime. Use brain. Make good decision.
Hi celescliff!
Thank you for your method. One question:
Within how many spins shall a number repeat?
Thanks
roufor69 As no one given you a reply
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 04, 12:39 PM 2016have a look at reply 60, see when 2x's become 3x's
Cells
been looking at this as Paradise is going ok. Perhaps theres some milage in this, out and about tomorrow so whilst waiting in hospital i'll ponder my thoughts to this good idea :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 20, 07:55 PM 2017
out and about tomorrow so whilst waiting in hospital i'll ponder my thoughts to this good idea :thumbsup:
Nottop,
Best wishes to you for a speedy recovery.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 21, 03:38 PM 2017
Nottop,
Best wishes to you for a speedy recovery.
Wish the same. Was a while since i played this one. Good luck. :thumbsup:
Hi Celes,
When you start playing, do you use the 10-20 previous spins?
Quote from: BaldmaN on Mar 30, 06:55 PM 2017
Hi Celes,
When you start playing, do you use the 10-20 previous spins?
Hey Baldman. No you bet on the number that has hit a second time. Watch the sessions i did and you will see how i did.
Yes, I perfectly understand that part. I was just curious when you sit down for a new session do you use the last 10-20 previous spins or you start fresh, or maybe you start fresh with a new dealer, or it doesn't matter? Thank you
Quote from: BaldmaN on Apr 02, 02:04 PM 2017
Yes, I perfectly understand that part. I was just curious when you sit down for a new session do you use the last 10-20 previous spins or you start fresh, or maybe you start fresh with a new dealer, or it doesn't matter? Thank you
Ah, got it.
I start fresh since the sessions are quite short, but using the last 10-20 previous spins shouldnt matter. I dont start fresh when a dealer change occurs either.