Dear fellow Forumers!
After great Notto's efforts, KTF was born. Successfully!
He become fine young man.
Let's find out if his younger cousin can grow up in fine young girl.
WTF has roots between Belgium and Canada (Denzie and Celtic).
She likes repeating herself, but not in every situation...
Let's hear what those who know her can tell us about her!
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Okay lets rebrand, WWR. Win With Repeat
So heres spins 1-10 what next?
spin # 0x 1x >1x 2x >2 3
1 28 36 1
2 0 35 2
3 21 34 3
4 35 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 27 31 6
7 27 31 5 1 1
8 33 30 6 1 1
9 10 29 7 1 1
10 17 28 8 1 1
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
8-1x's, 1-2x
BR 1 open?
KTF?
spin # 0x 1x >1x 2x >2 3
1 28 36 1
2 0 35 2
3 21 34 3
4 35 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 27 31 6
7 27 31 5 1 1
8 33 30 6 1 1
9 10 29 7 1 1
10 17 28 8 1 1
11 29 27 9 1 1
12 6 26 10 1 1
13 34 25 11 1 1
14 9 24 12 1 1
15 15 23 13 1 1
Okay KTF +50 Nottophammer has left. So you'll probably been watching,waiting for the balance to favour betting for a repeat. The count on KTF sheet says 14-1x's to 1 repeat, if we use Winkels way 23-0x, 13-1x and 1->1x. If you except 5 non-hit in spins 11-20 its already happened, i know from over time 11-20 can average 7 non-hit, so you could get 2 more non-hit,hit in next 2 spins.
whats likely to happen? i'll leave it there
Oh yes the 13th spin could have read 26-9-2-2 remember the >1x's at spin 25 could be 03/05, how they going to get to that point
Spin 2 should read 30
The more than >1x
spin # 0x 1x >1x 2x >2 3
1 28 36 1
2 30 35 2
3 21 34 3
4 35 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 27 31 6
7 27 31 5 1 1
8 33 30 6 1 1
9 10 29 7 1 1
10 17 28 8 1 1
11 29 27 9 1 1
12 6 26 10 1 1
13 34 25 11 1 1
14 9 24 12 1 1
15 15 23 13 1 1
16 10 23 12 2 2
17 6 23 11 3 3
Ja, das ist gut!
Both ways showed where the repeat was going to come, the >1x had to grow
KTF Advanced
- This a repeater strategy that came out of the KTF system. So this is not a system, it is a strategy.
- So the first thing is to study the KTF thread before you start to use this strategy.
- I want to thank nottophammer that gave a good example how the trot is used above. This is an example how the GUT is used for the trot. For me I'm using a simpler betting strategy and I'm learning GUT.
One hit wonder for repeatsI call this simpler strategy for "One hit wonder" and what is this?
- It all comes from @denzie that wrote: "What I do frequently is go for 1 hit if the count not good. Don't we always get 1 hit ?
Over 400 rng sessions now. And I had 1 ....yes 1 session where I didn't got 1 hit. (Yes real money). Best thing I ever seen." - So this is based on denzies findings and how I use the average to see how the trot is moving.
- I will start with the average:
AverageAverage for unhits are 15 in spins 11-40 (from KTF) An example:
- 1-10 - start in KTF (10 unhits and it can exist repeats)
- 11-20 - 5+0 (average 5 unhits and 5 repeats)
- 21-30 - 5+0 (average 5 unhits and 5 repeats)
- 31-40 - 5+0 (average 5 unhits and 5 repeats)
So in average we will have 5+5+5 unhits and 5+5+5 repeats in 11-40 spins
So if we write 7+2 under 11-20 that means we have had 7 unhits, 2 more than average.
Before I bet
- Sheet from KTF, you can find it here: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg146236#msg146236
- Win goal 20-100 or 1 to 3 wins
- Progression D'Alembert +1/-1
- Progression comment. Because we are betting small numbers the progression is really powerfull
- Bankroll max of 420 units. (7 losses in a row).
- Bankroll Comment: Say we get to high in the progression. Let's say at 5 or 6 units. And I get my hit. Then I look how much I'm down. If it's around -50 then I take the loss. Coz we get it back next session
How I bet
- For me it is all about safety. So I always bet for one repeat in a progression of 7. As denzie said above "Don't we always get 1 hit ?"
- The recovey after 1 hit of a repeat is really great. That makes this one hit wonder so powerfull.
- So for betting the repeats we want to have them late in the trot, when a lot of unhits has already hit.
Step by step how I start to bet:
- Follow the average of unhits
- Aiming for start betting when around 15 unhits has gone (this is for the progression)
- I usually starts around spin 21-23. Because after spin 21 I know that a lot of unhits has hit and a repeat will come soon...
- I always hope to have a good average in spin 11-20. So for example 8+3 (3 more unhits than average)
- I also look at how the trot is doing. So if I get for example 15+2 (first 10 unhits + 5 unhits and just 2 repeats) Then I can start earlier than 21 because the average count is so good.
Step by step when started betting
- Bet the repeaters that you have found
- If a repeater hits remove that one and continue betting the other repeaters
- Stop when reached your goal 1-3 repeaters
I will post an example of three games I did yesterday. The tricky thing is to read the trot. You never know how it will turn and when the repeaters will come. For me I have had god results with this and I learn a lot of the trot. It is as they say practice, practice, practice...
I also have a lot to learn around the GUT and I will use my knowledge in One hit wonder. I think this is a good newbie repeater betting strategy that everyone can use...
The first game:
I start after 15 unhits. The count is 15+2 so the repeaters will come soon. When I started to bet 1 came directly after.
I then started to get one repeater again. I got it at spin 21..
Here after you can see the trot has more repeaters to come. The ending is 2-3, impressive!
The second game
Here I had hard time to read the trot early so I waited for the average and to bet the 21. Because it is a high average 7+2 I was thinking that the repeaters will come and they did...
The third game
This was a tricky one. I was betting after the 15 unhits had come and the count was 15+3. But I then stopped. After that it came 5 unhits... But look at 31-40, there the repeaters are. This makes the trot so hard to read. But one hit wonder should have work here as well...
Thanks Tuddi, you elaborate it nicely!
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 19, 11:25 AM 2016
Both ways showed where the repeat was going to come, the >1x had to grow
Here is the payout sheet betting the repeats starting at spin #21 for Nottos 19Mar16 JJ numbers
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 28
2 30
3 21
4 35
5 0
6 27
7 27 R
8 33
9 10
10 17
11 29
12 6
13 34
14 9
15 15
16 10 R
17 6 R
18 12
19 30 R
20 16 --Count at this point is 7+2 and favours betting repeats next spin
21 2 16 1 16 -16 -16
22 22 16 2 32 -32 -48
23 9 R 16 3 48 108 60 12
24 17 R 15 2 30 72 42 54
25 27 R 14 1 14 36 22 76 --- I would consider quitting here
26 11 13 1 13 -13 63
27 13 13 2 26 -26 37 --- Note that at this point you have 4 losses and only 3 wins and are still up 37u
28 21 R 13 3 39 108 69 106 --- I would definitely have quit here
29 11 12 2 24 -24 82
30 33 R 12 3 36 108 72 154
The chances are after winning 3 in a row I probably would have quit after spin #25, which is only the 5th betting spin, and either reset or left the casino.
Yes I know I could have made 50% more if I had gone for 5 wins and that brings up one of the main things to always keep in mind with this strategy ------ DO NOT GET GREEDY IT WILL GET YOU!!! ------------
-Celtic
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 19, 03:07 PM 2016
The first game:
I start after 15 unhits. The count is 15+2 so the repeaters will come soon. When I started to bet 1 came directly after.
I then started to get one repeater again. I got it at spin 21..
Here after you can see the trot has more repeaters to come. The ending is 2-3, impressive!
-Tuddilue
Looking at your sheet I am not sure what your bet amounts are.
I am going to do this one game at a time.
Here is the payout sheet betting repeats as I would have done it for your first game.
NOTE: -I never bet any number that has already hit 3 times and I always cover the 0 or in my case 0 and 00, regardless of whether they are included in the initial sequence of numbers or not. This is why my first stake is $17.
-Celtic
TUDDILUE GAME 1 19MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 28
2 5
3 19
4 20
5 8 X
6 13
7 21
8 25
9 2
10 19 R
11 1
12 32
13 12
14 27
15 8 R
16 31
17 10
18 8 R
19 29
20 35 -Count is 8+3 and looks very good to bet repeats next spin--Will go for 4 Wins
21 32 R 17 1 17 36 19 19
22 28 R 16 1 16 36 20 39
23 4 15 1 15 -15 24
24 16 15 2 30 -30 -6
25 31 R 15 3 45 108 63 57
26 10 R 14 2 28 72 44 101 --- I would quit here ---- Remember DO NOT GET GREEDY!!!
27 14 13 1 13 -13 88
28 31 13 2 26 -26 62
29 32 13 3 39 -39 23
30 13 R 13 4 52 144 92 115
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 19, 03:07 PM 2016
The second game
Here I had hard time to read the trot early so I waited for the average and to bet the 21. Because it is a high average 7+2 I was thinking that the repeaters will come and they did...
-Tuddilue
Very interesting second game.
Note after that third hit on the 8 at spin #14 I reset to the spin following the first occurance of the 8 which is spin #8.
I made this decision because I did not like the fact that 21.4% of the first 14 spins were repeats and also the same number repeat.
As Azim and Winkel and Notto have said this is personal thinking and can not be taught but rather learned over time.
After the next 10 spins we now have 9/10
Another 10 spins and we have a count of 7+2
Here is the payout sheet for Game #2 19Mar16 as I would have played it.
-Celtic
TUDDILUE GAME #2 19MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 36
2 8 X
3 11
4 7
5 31
6 28
7 8 R
8 8 X Reset to here after spin #14
9 18
10 13
11 36
12 5
13 9
14 8 R
15 25
16 17
17 6 9/10
18 6 R
19 16
20 32
21 17 R
22 31
23 19
24 32 R
25 15
26 7
27 12 Count from reset is now 7+2
28 0 R 17 1 17 36 19 19
29 6 R 16 1 16 36 20 39
30 32 R 15 1 15 36 21 60
WOULD HAVE GONE FOR FOURTH REPEAT (WIN) BUT RAN OUT OF NUMBERS
As you can see there are decisions to be made as to when to start betting and in this case mine were different for the reasons stated.
-Celtic
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 19, 03:07 PM 2016
b]The third game[/b]
This was a tricky one. I was betting after the 15 unhits had come and the count was 15+3. But I then stopped. After that it came 5 unhits... But look at 31-40, there the repeaters are. This makes the trot so hard to read. But one hit wonder should have work here as well...
-Tuddilue
Last but not least Game #3 analysis
Interesting that I had to do a reset just like the last game because of a triple hit on one number so early in the sequence.
I take it this is all RNG.
If my B&M wheel acted like this I would look for another casino.
Anyways, here is the payout sheet for game #3 as I would have played it.
-Celtic
TUDDILUE GAME #3 19MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 0
2 13
3 16
4 17
5 19
6 30
7 30 R
8 4
9 1 X
10 14 Reset to here after spin #14
11 1
12 28
13 22
14 1 R
15 12
16 26
17 20
18 24
19 17 9/10
20 31
21 25
22 5
23 7
24 2
25 5 R
26 29
27 13
28 10
29 18 Count from reset is now 9+4 -With a count this good I am looking for 5 wins
30 21 19 1 19 -19 -19
31 18 R 19 2 38 72 34 15
32 22 R 18 1 18 36 18 33
33 1 R 17 1 17 36 19 52
34 32 16 1 16 -16 36
35 14 R 16 2 32 72 40 76
36 5 R 15 1 15 36 21 97 ----- I would quit here as I decided on 5 wins to begin with
37 24 R 14 1 14 36 22 119
38 1 13 1 13 -13 106
39 8 13 2 26 -26 80
40 16 13 3 39 -39 41
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 19, 07:49 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
Looking at your sheet I am not sure what your bet amounts are.
I am going to do this one game at a time.
Here is the payout sheet betting repeats as I would have done it for your first game.
NOTE: -I never bet any number that has already hit 3 times and I always cover the 0 or in my case 0 and 00, regardless of whether they are included in the initial sequence of numbers or not. This is why my first stake is $17.
-Celtic
Maybe it doesn't show so well but I use 1 unit. My intension where never to publish them so they are not so beautifully sorry for that..
Thanks really interesting to read! I understand why you start earlier. For me I'm learning...
Ok that is something I have to add to my game, that not betting on a number that has hit 3 times...
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 19, 09:02 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
Very interesting second game.
Note after that third hit on the 8 at spin #14 I reset to the spin following the first occurance of the 8 which is spin #8.
I made this decision because I did not like the fact that 21.4% of the first 14 spins were repeats and also the same number repeat.
As Azim and Winkel and Notto have said this is personal thinking and can not be taught but rather learned over time.
After the next 10 spins we now have 9/10
Another 10 spins and we have a count of 7+2
Here is the payout sheet for Game #2 19Mar16 as I would have played it.
-Celtic
Really interesting to read about the reset. Is this also called jump? Or is that something else?
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 19, 10:29 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
Last but not least Game #3 analysis
Interesting that I had to do a reset just like the last game because of a triple hit on one number so early in the sequence.
I take it this is all RNG.
If my B&M wheel acted like this I would look for another casino.
Anyways, here is the payout sheet for game #3 as I would have played it.
-Celtic
Yes that is correct this is all RNG. It behaves really much different than a wheel. Much more harder to play :ooh:
Yes really interesting and impressive with this reset. I mean 9+4 that is really good count!!
Thanks that you went through my number. I learn a lot when you does this..
Will be interesting to see your plays in the future...
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 19, 05:26 PM 2016
Thanks Tuddi, you elaborate it nicely!
Thanks for your kind words, I almost missed your post...
Thanks for creating this thread will be really educational!
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 01:10 AM 2016
Really interesting to read about the reset. Is this also called jump? Or is that something else?
I believe so.
I did see the jump mentioned in Winkels posts but never described.
Probably in one of the deleted ones.
Maybe Notto van clarify this.
-Celtic
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 01:14 AM 2016
Yes really interesting and impressive with this reset. I mean 9+4 that is really good count!!
That is why I went for 5 wins instead of the normal 3 or 4 I would usually go for.
-Celtic
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 01:08 AM 2016
Maybe it doesn't show so well but I use 1 unit. My intension where never to publish them so they are not so beautifully sorry for that..
Thanks really interesting to read! I understand why you start earlier. For me I'm learning...
Ok that is something I have to add to my game, that not betting on a number that has hit 3 times...
I think I understand now.
You seem to be showing your total wins and not the betting stake on the sheets.
We all have our own ways of logging.
All good.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 20, 02:04 AM 2016
I believe so.
I did see the jump mentioned in Winkels posts but never described.
Probably in one of the deleted ones.
Maybe Notto van clarify this.
-Celtic
Yes and I saw in the extension thread. I did not know that you can do it after 3 repeats on the same number. Really interesting approach..
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 20, 02:19 AM 2016
I think I understand now.
You seem to be showing your total wins and not the betting stake on the sheets.
We all have our own ways of logging.
All good.
-Celtic
Yes that is correct I did not think of explaining that sorry. Yes we all have :wink:
Hello everyone. I have been following KTF for a while now, and I'm finding it absolutely amazing. I was looking for a long time for a method using the law of the Third, and this looks like it's the one!!
Although I find it simply amazing, KTF is not for me because of a few things that doesn't go with the way I play roulette, like the big drawdowns and the lack of control on when you start betting.
I have tried to understand the trot, but even after reading and re-reading GUT and KTF threads, I still don't get it. I don't get those 7+2, 5-1, 15+3, etc…. Are they simply a fancy way of saying something like: first column got 5 unhit and 5 repeats, or something like that?
So here is the way I do it.
I wait for the first 20 spins. If I have equal or less than 4 repeats in the first 20 spins, I start betting on the 21st spins all the numbers that have come up on the first 20 spins, with a +1 -1 progression. I end the session on the first hit or if I am at a higher high and restart another session.
Here is the way I see it: The law of the third state that in 37 spins, around 12 numbers should be repeats. After 20 spins, there are 17 spins to go. If there were 4 repeats in the first 20 spins, that means that there are 8 numbers left to repeat. Since there is 17 spins to go, then half of them should be repeats.
So far, no lost sessions on RNG.
Let me know if I am right, if I missed something or if there is a more efficient way I could do this.
Thanks!!
Hello SimonZed1,
Does it mean you bet on all the first 20 numbers, single hit plus repeat numbers?
If the 21st spin is a loss, do you add this number to the first 20 above?
Thanks and best regards.
(correction to the above post)
Hello SimonZed1,
Does it mean you bet on all the numbers in the first 20 spins, single hit plus repeat numbers?
If the 21st spin is a loss, do you add this number to the numbers you are already betting?
Thanks and best regards.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 20, 07:35 AM 2016
Hello everyone. I have been following KTF for a while now, and I'm finding it absolutely amazing. I was looking for a long time for a method using the law of the Third, and this looks like it's the one!!
Although I find it simply amazing, KTF is not for me because of a few things that doesn't go with the way I play roulette, like the big drawdowns and the lack of control on when you start betting.
I have tried to understand the trot, but even after reading and re-reading GUT and KTF threads, I still don't get it. I don't get those 7+2, 5-1, 15+3, etc…. Are they simply a fancy way of saying something like: first column got 5 unhit and 5 repeats, or something like that?
...
Hi SimonZed1!
I will try to explain the trot that you had question about.
If you read my post about One hit wonder you will see the average. So this is to describe the average of all the unhits that has hit.
So I will try to explain your numbers:
7+2, average is 5+0 on 10 numbers. So for example spin 11-20 and you have 7+2. That means that you have 2 more than average that is 5 unhits.
5-1, I think it should be 4-1, that is 1 under average 5.
15+3 is another way to say that you have 15 unhits hit and 3 repeats. So in this case you know that 2 repeats will come because the average for repeats is also 5. Hope this explains more?
This is really good explained in the KTF and these numbers come from notto and celtic. So yes this describes the trot.
Hope it helps. If not just ask more questions!
Thanks for how you are playing, really intersting aproach!
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 11:09 AM 2016
7+2, average is 5+0 on 10 numbers. So for example spin 11-20 and you have 7+2. That means that you have 2 more than average that is 5 unhits.
5-1, I think it should be 4-1, that is 1 under average 5.
15+3 is another way to say that you have 15 unhits hit and 3 repeats. So in this case you know that 2 repeats
Tuddi, you are right with 5-1, it should read 4-1.
Also 15+3 is 18+3 after 30 spins.
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 20, 11:58 AM 2016
Tuddi, you are right with 5-1, it should read 4-1.
Also 15+3 is 18+3 after 30 spins.
Thanks @nextyear!
Yes I think easiest way to learn this is to read the KTF thread and analysis the sheets. Nottophammer and Celticknits has done an excellent job explaining this..
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 20, 02:04 AM 2016
I believe so.
I did see the jump mentioned in Winkels posts but never described.
Probably in one of the deleted ones.
Maybe Notto van clarify this.
-Celtic
Here is what Winkel said about jumping.
Re: The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory
« Reply #124 on: August 23, 2008, 02:09:53 PM »
Quote from: Boo_Ray on August 23, 2008, 01:51:50 PM
I know, I believe you, I just want to have idea how much win/loss per season is it good
I have another question,... Is it better to use 0x 1x 2x 3x 4x thatn just 0x 1x <1
In roulette you can't win a fortune. The "Grail" has to be defined as "Not loosing and keeping your starting-bankroll alive"
I play this for 2 years on lasseters with starting bankroll of 50 Euros. this bankroll has been saved and never ever been touched again. From the winnings I formed a second bankroll with which I play. I don't balance every game. Sometimes I serve the gambler in me and bet senseless like hell till my bankroll is down to minimum 50Euros.
Your Question:
If you prefer short games which don#t get to complicated with crossings just bet 50-60 Spins.
As you see the earliest Start is after the 19th spin. (Because you need min. 18 spins to get the first crossing of 19-18. which is not recommended to play.
So if you decide that the numbers you are playing show no good crossings just start it over using the last 19 spins.Do you play like that you only need to watch these crossings
0 vs 1
1 vs >1
0 vs >1
1 vs 2
or in another Treminology
R vs N
N vs F(all)
R vs F(all)
N vs F2
br
winkel
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 20, 02:04 AM 2016
I believe so.
I did see the jump mentioned in Winkels posts but never described.
Probably in one of the deleted ones.
Maybe Notto van clarify this.
-Celtic
Thanks @azim!
Winkel also said this:
Quote from: winkel on Jan 24, 02:51 PM 2011
Now we have a look at the "JUMP"
If we watch a trot and we find situations
- we have a double loss (betting two crossings)
- we can not expect a crossing ("0" run down; "1" is rising to 18 or higher; no repeaters)
- we are in doubt and it seems we can not read "What is going on"
etc.
Then we start a new trot either starting with the next spin or any other spin of the last spins.
If we start with a new spin #1 we will perhaps have to wait more than 25 spins before we find a new/next crossing. Most crossings will appear after spin 25!
So we count back 25 spins and start with that, so we have a full sight, if this new counting is in better shape or it is fast or slow.
In a BM-Casino this needs some time so we just jump bakc 20 spins, so our calculations are done when the new spin 25 appears.
Also if we have finished our first attack and we wanna restart we can use this 20-25spin jump back.
I think that explains the jump even more...
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 01:14 AM 2016
Yes that is correct this is all RNG. It behaves really much different than a wheel. Much more harder to play :ooh:
Does it ? I've been playing RNG on a daily basis and not sure what to think. I do know I'm winning on it. On the other side. ...on rng we play a lot more sessions. So shouldn't the rfh come faster also ?
I don't reset. I still play as I said if the count is not good. Looking at your 3 games I wouldn't had a problem.
The more sessions you do...the more you start seeing. I evaluate all sessions every day. That's why I see how to beat the rng. On airball I seem to get more repeaters on spin 21-30. But 46 games vs 470 rng ... is hard to tell
Quote from: denzie on Mar 20, 01:39 PM 2016
Does it ? I've been playing RNG on a daily basis and not sure what to think. I do know I'm winning on it. On the other side. ...on rng we play a lot more sessions. So shouldn't the rfh come faster also ?
I don't reset. I still play as I said if the count is not good. Looking at your 3 games I wouldn't had a problem.
The more sessions you do...the more you start seeing. I evaluate all sessions every day. That's why I see how to beat the rng. On airball I seem to get more repeaters on spin 21-30. But 46 games vs 470 rng ... is hard to tell
It feels so. I mean it is like the random software is harder to beat I can't really explain why..
But one example is the 3 repeats, that I see not often on a real wheel. But it doesn't matter for playing for the repeaters.
Yes I agree with you it gets easier. You must play a lot and practice, practice, practice.. You get a feeling for the trot and all these count and averages just get more naturally..
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 01:38 PM 2016
Winkel also said this:I think that explains the jump even more...
Quote from: winkel on January 24, 2011, 07:51:13 PM
Now we have a look at the "JUMP"
If we watch a trot and we find situations
- we have a double loss (betting two crossings)
- we can not expect a crossing ("0" run down; "1" is rising to 18 or higher; no repeaters)
- we are in doubt and it seems we can not read "What is going on"
etc.
Then we start a new trot either starting with the next spin or any other spin of the last spins.
If we start with a new spin #1 we will perhaps have to wait more than 25 spins before we find a new/next crossing. Most crossings will appear after spin 25!
So we count back 25 spins and start with that, so we have a full sight, if this new counting is in better shape or it is fast or slow.
In a BM-Casino this needs some time so we just jump bakc 20 spins, so our calculations are done when the new spin 25 appears.
Also if we have finished our first attack and we wanna restart we can use this 20-25spin jump back.
I think that explains the jump even more...
-Tuddilue
Thank you for posting that Winkel quote.
It was the one I was referring to but could not find.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 20, 02:15 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
Thank you for posting that Winkel quote.
It was the one I was referring to but could not find.
-Celtic
No problem, just glad to help!
Quote from: sniper on Mar 20, 09:22 AM 2016
Does it mean you bet on all the numbers in the first 20 spins, single hit plus repeat numbers?
If the 21st spin is a loss, do you add this number to the numbers you are already betting?
Hello Sniper,
Yes exactly! That's the way I do it. I am thinking of maybe not betting the repeaters. I don't really know for now. So I would bet only the numbers that have appeared once. I wonder what may be the stats on numbers repeating 2 times in 10 spins…. Another thing I want to try is to start betting only when I get 4 repeats in 20 spins or more. Example: Right now, the way I do it, is to start betting after spins 20 if I have 4 or less repeats from the first 20 spins. I was thinking about starting to bet only after the 4th repeater if it hasn't appeared in the first 20 spins. Example: If in the first 20 spins I get 3 repeats, I wait for other spins for a 4th repeat and then I start betting, like if at spin 25 I get my 4th repeat, I start betting at spin 26.
If the 21st number is a loss, yes, it is added to the list of numbers that I bet.
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 11:09 AM 2016
I will try to explain the trot that you had question about.
Hope it helps. If not just ask more questions!
Tuddilue, Thanks for the information! It is a little bit more clearer now. I still will go thru the KTF and GUT threads again…. I probably have missed something....
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 11:09 AM 2016
Thanks for how you are playing, really interesting approach!
Sure! No problems!! I love to read about new ideas and new ways of seeing things. So I thought that bringing in my view of the game might add another view to the way we play the game!
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I have tried to play this on Live Dealers but even with 35 seconds it is not enough time to place bets when you are a little bit high in the progression.
The problem with RNG is that where I play I have to place a bet to spin the wheel. I play black and red on a french La Partage wheel. So when the Zero come up, I only lose half my bets.
Here are a little bit of my sessions results:
Session 1: +25
Session 2: +22
Session 3: +28
Session 4: +21
Session 5: +21
Session 6: +19
Session 7: +25
Session 8: +22
Session 9: +22
Session 10: +25
Session 11: +22
Session 12: +21
Session 13: +21
Session 14: +26
Session 15: +10
Session 16: +20
Session 17: +20
Session 18: +22
Session 19: +20
Session 20: +20
Session 21: +19
Session 22: +28
Session 23: +17
Session 24: +20
I want to bring the girlfriend to New York for shopping next Christmas... And it looks like it may actually happen!!
Simon.
"I am thinking of maybe not betting the repeaters. I don't really know for now" >>
Hello SimonZed1..... a bit of FRIENDLY advice. I have tested many many methods over many many years. Anytime you change a rule (regardless of how small), you start fresh.
*ALL* past winning/losing results are gone. You are not plus or minus a thing. It would be unrealistic to keep past winning results IF you change any rules. Glad I could help.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 20, 11:11 PM 2016
"I am thinking of maybe not betting the repeaters. I don't really know for now" >>
Hello SimonZed1..... a bit of FRIENDLY advice. I have tested many many methods over many many years. Anytime you change a rule (regardless of how small), you start fresh.
*ALL* past winning/losing results are gone. You are not plus or minus a thing. It would be unrealistic to keep past winning results IF you change any rules. Glad I could help.
Ken
Yeah. I guess Ill keep it like this for now. Like they say in sports: Why change a winning team...!!
Thanks for the tip.
Hello SimonZed1,
Thanks for your reply.
I have tried betting only single hit without the repeater, the draw down seems to get bigger.
I can't really conclude which is better. I prefer to bet both single hit plus repeater as what you are doing.
Regards
@SimonZed1
Your results show that you haven't learned how to lose yet, nice!
How many spins is your average Session including waiting?
You use +1/-1 progression? How high in progression it goes and what is deepest DD?
Do you "jump back" with same numbers or you go for new set of spins?
That info would come useful with results.
Thanks
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 20, 02:08 PM 2016
It feels so. I mean it is like the random software is harder to beat I can't really explain why..
But one example is the 3 repeats, that I see not often on a real wheel. But it doesn't matter for playing for the repeaters.
I'm gonna play airball only from today. And than I'm gonna compare the sheets with the rng sheets. Curious if there's going to be any difference.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 21, 03:21 AM 2016
I'm gonna play airball only from today. And than I'm gonna compare the sheets with the rng sheets. Curious if there's going to be any difference.
Yes that will be interesting!
I will do the same when I have played the RNG for a week. I must have something to compare with the airball :smile:
A ? or 2
When you are playing on RNG, are you the only player or is the #spun given to multi players. If its multi players then you should have no worries,it should play fair,why? if the rng is going to muck up your stratergy/method/system wont it be opening it self to someone elses stratergy/method/system.
Now if its just you then maybe. After x amount of spins it could recognise your style of play if you use this supplier often, i say this as the FOBT plays completely different to jackpot 247.com. The FOBT is now believed to give the terminal its # not all machines over the country getting the same number when in that particular draw. If the terminal is giving its own #'s then it could start giving the RFH as you are a regular user playing the same stratergy/method/system, why over the years on FOBT have i had to redesign KTF, have the programmers changed the program.
No KTF is okay at present on the FOBT, but i expect it to change in time,just how long.
Single player rng... I need time to place my bets. The start is easy. But when your at 3-4 units the click war begins. I'm just not fast enough :(
Quote from: sniper on Mar 20, 11:53 PM 2016
I have tried betting only single hit without the repeater, the draw down seems to get bigger.
I can't really conclude which is better. I prefer to bet both single hit plus repeater as what you are doing.
Sniper, I have always believed that playing roulette is like making love. There are many ways to do it, not everybody is comfortable with all the ways, you have to find what is ok with your way of doing things, and most of all, if you are comfortable with it and it makes you win, keep doing it!! And of course… have fun also… :thumbsup:
Dont forget to alway TEST! TEST! TEST! Before putting your hard earned money on the table.
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 21, 02:04 AM 2016
@SimonZed1
Your results show that you haven't learned how to lose yet, nice!
How many spins is your average Session including waiting?
You use +1/-1 progression? How high in progression it goes and what is deepest DD?
Do you "jump back" with same numbers or you go for new set of spins?
That info would come useful with results.
Thanks
Very good questions!!!
The average spins is about between 21 and 23 spins. That is 20 spins waiting and the rest is betting.I never got deeper that 3rd level of betting. Was I lucky? Probably. I am waiting for the 6-7-8 level betting just to have an idea of what can happen and how I will have to adjust to it. I am really looking for it because it is all that is missing to my actual method, I want to figure out how to use the law of the third to figure out when to stop and take the losses. If I get a few hours in front of my I will make a simulation in Xtreme Roulette to see what could happen in the worst cases.
YES!! I jump back with the same numbers if there are no repeats is the last 10 numbers. Time is money! And since I play on a RNG wheel where I have to bet red and black to spin the wheel, this way I minimize my tiny losses when I have only 10 other spins to play instead of 20. Where I play I get 11 numbers on the board so it saves me 1 spin… :wink: That saves a lot of time!!!
I will post next sessions I do. I work a lot of hours on my day job so that let me less time to play and test. Although I am making more money per hour playing roulette than working… :'(
Quote from: denzie on Mar 21, 07:26 AM 2016
Single player rng... I need time to place my bets. The start is easy. But when your at 3-4 units the click war begins. I'm just not fast enough :(
I tried it on live dealers... Lol!! It was catastrophic!! I was at the 4th level and had to go back to 3 and didnt had the time to place half the bet on the table..... Thats why I switched to RNG... I dont trust RNG much but still, seems to work. Maybe all those certifications are accurate after all. Somebody got to write a clicker to Live tables. Something where we could put numbers to bet in a box and the bet size and then CLICK. I know there are a few roulette clickers on the net. I wonder if something like this exists.
Simon.
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 20, 11:11 PM 2016
Hello SimonZed1..... a bit of FRIENDLY advice. I have tested many many methods over many many years. Anytime you change a rule (regardless of how small), you start fresh.
*ALL* past winning/losing results are gone. You are not plus or minus a thing. It would be unrealistic to keep past winning results IF you change any rules. Glad I could help.
Ken
How true this is.
If only people would listen.
-Celtic
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 21, 10:14 AM 2016
I tried it on live dealers... Lol!! It was catastrophic!! I was at the 4th level and had to go back to 3 and didnt had the time to place half the bet on the table..... Thats why I switched to RNG... I dont trust RNG much but still, seems to work. Maybe all those certifications are accurate after all. Somebody got to write a clicker to Live tables. Something where we could put numbers to bet in a box and the bet size and then CLICK. I know there are a few roulette clickers on the net. I wonder if something like this exists.
Simon.
...and this is what I have said many times, the pros and cons of roulette.
Not only are progressions a rat-race (imo), you need the TIME to place the bets even if the progression method was great (on an actual wheel) but we at least KNOW, the results will be accurate.
RNG/air ball.....okay, you now have the TIME NEEDED but are the results 100% legit?
Its a lose lose, again, in my opinion. Thats why I bet so few numbers, its IMPOSSIBLE to not have the proper time to lay down my chips AND I dont need to re-calculate anything because of NO progression used.
Ken
I think he means live ONLINE dealer. Coz at a real table it's no problem to put them down. Well not for me anyway.
Did 6 sessions on airball today. Won 483â,¬
Good enough for me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Mar 21, 02:29 PM 2016
I think he means live ONLINE dealer. Coz at a real table it's no problem to put them down. Well not for me anyway.
Did 6 sessions on airball today. Won 483â,¬
Good enough for me. :thumbsup:
Good work. Love hearing that
ktf and repeaters are two of the best systems that I have ever used----I keep on waiting for a loss
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 21, 02:40 PM 2016
ktf and repeaters are two of the best systems that I have ever used----I keep on waiting for a loss
Just got a loss of -44 units.... But frankly.... Who cares!!! Just look at my success rate.... LOL! If I get one like that from time to time... I am prepared for them :wink:
I will talk about it later to see what happened.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 21, 02:29 PM 2016
I think he means live ONLINE dealer. Coz at a real table it's no problem to put them down. Well not for me anyway.
Did 6 sessions on airball today. Won 483â,¬
Good enough for me. :thumbsup:
Yeah. ONLINE. I am too far from the closest B&M Casino.
Nice win!!
Simon.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 21, 02:40 PM 2016
ktf and repeaters are two of the best systems that I have ever used----I keep on waiting for a loss
Ktf seems like the most solid method ever posted. Hammer is the man
Now Mr J puts a good point about time.
At the B+M get 1 minute, if you cant lay the chips in that time i'd suggest you practice laying. I use to lay across the streets but that takes to long, what i do now is go down column1 come back up column2 then back down column 3, after a few spins you'll remember where the #'s are anyway, just the odd glance you'll soon be whizzing em down.
So if its KTF as mentioned if lucky mrs hammer comes then we split the board, you see it works fine, if you have a couple of buds who'd work with ya,you could all have a dozen each, now you must be able to get them on.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 21, 02:49 PM 2016
Just got a loss of -44 units.... But frankly.... Who cares!!! Just look at my success rate.... LOL! If I get one like that from time to time... I am prepared for them :wink:
I will talk about it later to see what happened.
Yeah. ONLINE. I am too far from the closest B&M Casino.
Nice win!!
Simon.
for the hell of it i went through a ton of old spins. whatever the previous 20 were, i bet those. all hits within 3 spins. interesting
Here is todays expedition to the B&M.
This was the weirdest session I have ever played.
With a count of 9+4 at the start of the betting round and no repeats in the first 10 numbers you should expect quick wins and then quit but that was not what happened.
This acted more like Tuddilue's RNG sessions than airball.
There was a total of 4 triple hits and 3 of them were within the betting sequence. I have never seen this before.
I also noted that the casino has reduced the time to place bets from 50 seconds to 45.
BR $400
8 Wins
10 Losses
Profit $104
Thought I was gonna lose my first session betting repeats at spin #28.
What other system allows you to lose more than you win and still gives you a $80+ profit? :twisted:
GEORGIAN DOWNS 21MAR16 (00 Wheel)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 26
2 10
3 24
4 00
5 23
6 34
7 31
8 21
9 32
10 25 10/10
11 17
12 15
13 27
14 35
15 18
16 12
17 28
18 10 R
19 22
20 1 Count here is 9+4 ----Fantastic
21 32 R 20 1 20 36 16 16
22 15 R 19 1 19 36 17 33
23 4 18 1 18 -18 15
24 29 18 2 36 -36 -21
25 32 18 3 54 -54 -75 -- A triple hit WTF â€" Count good so continue
26 2 18 4 72 -72 -147
27 16 18 5 90 -90 -237 -- Next bet will blow BR if it losesâ€"Count is still good so go for it
28 27 R 18 6 108 216 108 -129 -- Whew dodged that bullet.
29 28 R 17 5 85 180 95 -34
30 32 16 4 6 -64 -98 -- A 2nd triple hit but the count is still good at 13+3 so continue
31 1 R 16 5 80 180 100 2
32 6 15 4 60 -60 -58
33 34 R 15 5 75 180 105 47 -- New profit high so reset progression to 1
34 36 14 1 14 -14 33
35 27 14 2 28 -28 5 -- A 3rd triple hit---This is weird with a starting count of 9+4 but count still favours more
hits
36 18 R 14 3 42 108 66 71 -- Contemplated quitting but the count STILL favours more wins and risk is only $13 on
next bet with progression reset to 1 on new high
37 11 13 1 13 -13 58 -- Risk is only $26 on next bet. Win or lose I will quit after next bet.
38 17 R 13 2 26 72 46 104 -- Finally reached session win goal and QUIT!!!
39 28 12 1 12 -12 92
40 3 12 1 12 -12 80
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 21, 02:40 PM 2016
ktf and repeaters are two of the best systems that I have ever used----I keep on waiting for a loss
My only issue with KTF was the size of some of the drawdowns.
On one session I was up to a $397 bet wich won and gave me a total of -$8.
I quit the session at that point and my overall KTF wins more than compensated for it but I still keep thinking about that -$8.
I have not lost any sessions yet betting repeats.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 21, 08:57 PM 2016
Thought I was gonna lose my first session betting repeats at spin #28.
As a matter of fact!! The count was amazing!! No repeats spins 1-10 and 1 repeat in 11-20!!! Never saw that in my sessions!!
Nice profit! But you see why I would have stopped at spin 21. If you play with 1$ units, 17$ profits for 10 minutes play is well payed.... Thats a whooping 102$ an hour... Way more than an hour at my day job..... :wink:
I would have stopped at spin 21 or as soon as in profit and started fresh with a new game.
Just my 2 cents.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 21, 10:12 PM 2016
As a matter of fact!! The count was amazing!! No repeats spins 1-10 and 1 repeat in 11-20!!! Never saw that in my sessions!!
Nice profit! But you see why I would have stopped at spin 21. If you play with 1$ units, 17$ profits for 10 minutes play is well payed.... Thats a whooping 102$ an hour... Way more than an hour at my day job..... :wink:
I would have stopped at spin 21 or as soon as in profit and started fresh with a new game.
Just my 2 cents.
Simon.
I understand and appreciate how you are playing repeats.
My parameters of playing repeats are based on experience in 109 games, including this one, and are as follows
BR $400-$450
Start betting when the count is favourable. --- What is favourable is a decision you have to make
$80-100 per session win - This is usually 3-4 spins and there again depends on the count
This session was so far off anything I have come up against, on my airball machine, I decided to just trust the count and once I got near the end of the spin cycle my bets were so low I just decided to keep going to the end of the spin cycle, but not beyond it, as so many numbers were still due to hit. Fortunately it worked out right on the last spin of the cycle.
Looking over this session later what I should have done is to quit after my fifth win at spin #31.
I arrived at this conclusion based on 3 reasons:
1. The numbers are not acting as they normally do on this wheel - THIS IS THE MAIN REASON
2. There has already been 2 numbers hit 3 times - I guess this is part of reason 1 really
3. Based on experience, with a starting count of 9+4, and no repeats in the first 10 numbers, there is every reason to believe that you can get 5 wins very quickly. Granted I would have only made $2 but that is $2 more than I started with.
So I look at this as another thing to consider in future games and mark it down to another learning experience.
-Celtic
@Celtic ...
Ran across these numbers last night at B&M ... would be interested to know how you would have played them .. Double 00 wheel.
Many thanks .... Gator
9
16
5
11
0
17
19
36
8
26
28
32
2
1
15
7
18
18 R
32 R
13
2 R
5 R
27
2 R
22
36 R
26 R
29
4
16 R
12
7 R
23
6
3
13 R
3 R
30
33 R
36 R
12 R
28 R
4 R
6 R
4 R
6 R
1 R
11 R
19 R
6 R
33 R
5 R
33 R
16 R
10
36 R
28 R
35
4 R
7 R
27 R
25
11 R
21
17 R
4 R
7 R
16 R
2 R
4 R
26 R
28 R
00
15 R
@Wally Gator. ..hope you don't mind I show how I would play it.
9 28 2R
16 32 5R
5 2 27
11 1 2R
0 15 22
17 7 36 R
19 18 26 R <------ stop
36 18R
8 32R
26 13
----- ----------
10 +3 <------- very good count so we start at spin 21
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 21, 08:57 PM 2016
Here is todays expedition to the B&M.
This was the weirdest session I have ever played.
With a count of 9+4 at the start of the betting round and no repeats in the first 10 numbers you should expect quick wins and then quit but that was not what happened.
This acted more like Tuddilue's RNG sessions than airball.
There was a total of 4 triple hits and 3 of them were within the betting sequence. I have never seen this before.
I also noted that the casino has reduced the time to place bets from 50 seconds to 45.
BR $400
8 Wins
10 Losses
Profit $104
Thought I was gonna lose my first session betting repeats at spin #28.
What other system allows you to lose more than you win and still gives you a $80+ profit? :twisted:
Yes the count of 9+4 is weird. I have also had problem with that count. Why? The feeling is that there are a lot of unhits hitting and it will continue and in the end the repeaters will come back. So the count is pointing that they will come, but you need to have the correct level of progression to handle it. So the starting point is even more important...
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 22, 02:02 PM 2016
Yes the count of 9+4 is weird. I have also had problem with that count. Why?
Very strange cuz on my rng sessions 9+4 does very bad. A friend of mine also said this. Maybe better to avoid this. Bad vibes in that
But 9 +4 means you'd be gone with KTF
Denzie, what are you doing on that avatar of yours?
(is it you on photo?)
Quote from: denzie on Mar 22, 02:08 PM 2016
Very strange cuz on my rng sessions 9+4 does very bad. A friend of mine also said this. Maybe better to avoid this. Bad vibes in that
Yes I get very careful when I get that number. Got to level 6 on the progression one time, but I recovered.
Yes avoid it is not a bad idé..
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 22, 02:17 PM 2016
But 9 +4 means you'd be gone with KTF
Yes that is correct if you are playing KTF. But if you are playing repeaters this is one of the best counts you can have after 11-20.
But my experience is that sometimes it is hard to play, as Celticknits gives an example of above. To many unhits are still hitting..
Wally Gator
Did you KTF?
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 22, 02:19 PM 2016
Denzie, what are you doing on that avatar of yours?
(is it you on photo?)
It is. I'm mixing my sangria with a straw ;D
Quote from: Wally Gator on Mar 22, 12:39 PM 2016
@Celtic ...
Ran across these numbers last night at B&M ... would be interested to know how you would have played them .. Double 00 wheel.
Many thanks .... Gator
-Gator
I hope this of use to you but remember this is how I would have played for repeatsand what I would have been thinking.
-Celtic
WALLY GATOR 22MAR16 (00 Wheel)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 9
2 16
3 5
4 11
5 0
6 17
7 19
8 36
9 8
10 26 10/10
11 28
12 32
13 2
14 1
15 15
16 7
17 18
18 18 R
19 32 R
20 13 Count is very good 8+3 ------Will go for 4 wins and then evaluate count
21 2 R 19 1 19 36 17 17
22 5 R 18 1 18 36 18 35
23 27 17 1 17 -17 18
24 2 17 2 34 -34 -16
25 22 17 3 51 -51 -67
26 36 R 17 4 68 144 76 9
27 26 R 16 3 48 108 60 69 ----------- New high reset progression to 1
Count is still high so go for 1 more win and checheck count again
28 29 15 1 15 -15 54
29 4 15 2 30 -30 24
30 16 R 15 3 45 108 63 87 --------- New high reset progression to 1
I would have quit at this point but consider these facts
We still have 8 spins left in the cycle and the non-repeats are way above erage
so there should be at least one more repeat to come soon.
This along with the repeat count still at +2 could justify continuing but this is the greed factor starting to kick in.
31 12 14 1 14 -14 73
32 7 R 14 2 28 72 44 117 --- Count is still reasonable but we are getting too close to the end of the spin cycle for my
liking so had I continued this would be the point I would quit at.
33 23 13 3 39 -39 78
34 6 13 4 52 -52 26
35 3 13 5 65 -65 -39
36 13 R 13 6 78 216 138 99
37 3 12 5 60 -60 39
38 30 12 4 48 -48 -9
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 22, 02:17 PM 2016
But 9 +4 means you'd be gone with KTF
Or run KTF and then wait for the count to be favourable and play the repeats also.
-Celtic
One thing I keep forgetting to bring up.
Several posts ago Rouletteghost mentioned just betting for repeats starting at spin #21 using the previous numbers.
I will admit that a lot of the time the betting starts at spin 21 but my decision is based on the count and not what usually happens.
I have tried it RG's way in the past and although not losing there were a couple of wild rides.
Just be forewarned with the thinking of always betting at spin 21.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 22, 03:27 PM 2016
Or run KTF and then wait for the count to be favourable and play the repeats also.
-Celtic
Yes I do so sometimes. I like KTF and I'm really thankful to @nottophammer
Many thanks all for the examples and discussion. I normally begin the sequence at spin 11. On this one, the long string of repeats after spin 37 was a savior, but not fun.
@Notto, as for KTF, I've played with good results, but have had a few not so good sessions. A recent session ended with a plus over 200 units, however the draw down was over 700 units... a bit steep. Like you say, "Keep The Faith" :)
hey wally i had spoken to notto about this privately
but perhaps have a stoploss of -200
and a wingoal of 40
so when you hit -200 stop
the sessions of hitting +40 should well outweigh the -200?
Using todays Jackpot Joy numbers posted in the KTF thread here is what would have happened if I had bet the repeats.
Thank you for posting the numbers Notto.
The main thing to notice here is that by watching the count I started betting at spin #19.
The worst that could have happened is two more losses and then the count after spin #20 would have been 10+5 which I have never seen after spin #20 yet.
-Celtic.
JJ 23MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 18
2 31
3 20
4 19
5 17
6 17 R
7 27
8 7
9 34
10 0
11 28
12 21
13 13
14 36
15 3
16 14
17 22
18 6
19 0 R 17 1 17 36 19 19 --- Repeat count starting at this point is +5
20 18 R 16 1 16 36 20 39
21 30 15 1 15 -15 24
22 31 R 15 2 30 72 42 66
23 6 R 14 1 14 36 22 88 ---- QUIT (My win stop is $80-100)
24 25 13 1 13 -13 75
25 10 13 2 26 -26 49
26 6 13 3 39 -39 10
27 4 13 4 52 -52 -42
28 14 R 13 5 65 180 115 73
29 30 12 2 24 -24 49
30 25 12 3 36 -36 13
31 7 R 12 4 48 144 96 109
32 26 11 1 11 -11 98
33 21 R 11 2 22 72 50 148
34 17 R 10 3 30 108 78 226
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 22, 07:55 PM 2016
hey wally i had spoken to notto about this privately
but perhaps have a stoploss of -200
and a wingoal of 40
so when you hit -200 stop
the sessions of hitting +40 should well outweigh the -200?
-RG
Are you talking KTF or betting repeats?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 23, 12:13 PM 2016
-RG
Are you talking KTF or betting repeats?
-Celtic
In regards to ktf with $1 units
160 to 200 stop loss
40 win goal
If the ktf sheets hold true the wins should well outweigh the losses
Is anybody else here like me?? Waiting for that dreaded email telling me that my online casino account have been closed for winning too much... :wink:
For those playing online, how low do you maintain your winnings to stay under the radar?? I limit my winnings to 20$ a day (which takes me about 30 minutes of play.) I was thinking of after making, let's say, 100$ I would give back 25$ in the slots just to keep them happy....
Simon.
If i was winning daily id invest some profit to slots to give some back
Just me
Nothing to worry about yet, Simon!
When you make 10 withdrawals of 500$ each in a month, without making a deposit, change Casino for next month.
Where are you playing for now?
It doesn't goes that fast. I can confirm after winning more than 30k in 2 weeks they still not kick you out. (Which was won by my wife on Baccarat). You talk about 100 $. But that is just peanuts when you look at the high roller tables. No worries.
And if that day comes...change account again and again and.............
Played some sessions today. This one was really tough to beat but i did it.
How would you play this?
1 11
2 10
3 1
4 3
5 32
6 33
7 9
8 35
9 5
10 1 R
11 5 R
12 20
13 7
14 4
15 30
16 9 R
17 14
18 22
19 3 R
20 31
21 18
22 3 R
23 8
24 16
25 27
26 21
27 7 R
28 0
29 26
30 30 R
31 2
32 16 R
33 28
34 29
35 31 R
36 20 R
37 16 R
38 29 R
39 25
40 35 R
41 3 R
42 31 R
43 11 R
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 25, 10:44 AM 2016
Played some sessions today. This one was really tough to beat but i did it.
How would you play this?
1 11
2 10
3 1
4 3
5 32
6 33
7 9
8 35
9 5
10 1 R
11 5 R
12 20
13 7
14 4
15 30
16 9 R
17 14
18 22
19 3 R
20 31
21 18
22 3 R
23 8
24 16
25 27
26 21
27 7 R
28 0
29 26
30 30 R
31 2
32 16 R
33 28
34 29
35 31 R
36 20 R
37 16 R
38 29 R
39 25
40 35 R
41 3 R
42 31 R
43 11 R
I would have started betting at 21 and stopped at bet 22 and took the profits.
I would have been a little bit reluctant to play this one beacose of the repeat in bet 1-10. But since there was only 3 repeats in 11-20 I would probably have taken the chance to play it.
Simon.
just looking at my notes on games played--if i get to 14-15 spins and only have one repeat its a good spot to start betting for repeats instead of waiting till 21... only betting 13-15 numbers and i get the hits--will keep an eye out to see if it holds up
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 25, 09:26 PM 2016
just looking at my notes on games played--if i get to 14-15 spins and only have one repeat its a good spot to start betting for repeats instead of waiting till 21... only betting 13-15 numbers and i get the hits--will keep an eye out to see if it holds up
Interesting... For my taste, anything before the 20th spin is a little bit too early.... ;)
Quote from: denzie on Mar 24, 02:56 PM 2016
It doesn't goes that fast. I can confirm after winning more than 30k in 2 weeks they still not kick you out. (Which was won by my wife on Baccarat). You talk about 100 $. But that is just peanuts when you look at the high roller tables. No worries.
And if that day comes...change account again and again and.............
Do want to hear something funny?? They just cancelled my first deposit bonus!! I still had a few bucks to come in but they cancelled it without any notice, probably beacose I was betting only red and black so much.... :wink:
Who cares!! I dont need it to suck the dough out of them... :twisted:
Simon, do not accept bonuses!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 25, 09:26 PM 2016
just looking at my notes on games played--if i get to 14-15 spins and only have one repeat its a good spot to start betting for repeats instead of waiting till 21... only betting 13-15 numbers and i get the hits--will keep an eye out to see if it holds up
Yes it is the same for me. If I have low with repeaters when I have reach 15 unhits I start to bet. The repeaters will come soon!
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 26, 03:13 AM 2016
Simon, do not accept bonuses!
Yes it is the same for me. I never accept bonuses. After that I have had no problem with withdraw..
Hello Tomla021
Quotefrom Tomla021Quotejust looking at my notes on games played--if i get to 14-15 spins and only have one repeat its a good spot to start betting for repeats instead of waiting till 21... only betting 13-15 numbers and i get the hits--will keep an eye out to see if it holds up
Thanks for your post.
Do you use the same +1/-1 progression for this method?
Regards and best wishes
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 26, 03:13 AM 2016
Simon, do not accept bonuses!
No I never accept bonuses. But this place gives it to you whether you want it or not....
I switched places. I dont trust them anymore since they did that.
In the new place I made 50 units yesterday... :twisted:
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 20, 07:35 AM 2016
Here is the way I see it: The law of the third state that in 37 spins, around 12 numbers should be repeats. After 20 spins, there are 17 spins to go. If there were 4 repeats in the first 20 spins, that means that there are 8 numbers left to repeat. Since there is 17 spins to go, then half of them should be repeats.
Hi SimonZed1,
May I know how did you get the calculation of "around 12 numbers should be repeats in 37 spins?".. that means there will be one repeat number in average on 3 spins? and how should I calculate the percentage of straight unhit num hit without any repeater? Like what is the probability of 10 straight unhit num will hit without any repeater and what for 20 straight? Is it possible that 37 unhit can all hit in 37 spins in real play? Thanks!
yes simon i use +1-1,,,,
Quote from: goldrosen on Mar 26, 09:45 AM 2016
Hi SimonZed1,
May I know how did you get the calculation of "around 12 numbers should be repeats in 37 spins?".. that means there will be one repeat number in average on 3 spins? and how should I calculate the percentage of straight unhit num hit without any repeater? Like what is the probability of 10 straight unhit num will hit without any repeater and what for 20 straight? Is it possible that 37 unhit can all hit in 37 spins in real play? Thanks!
look here link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.180
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 26, 12:21 PM 2016
look here link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.180
Thank you Nottophammer! You're so helpful n supportive!
That is so useful for me, thanks again!
I wonder what Winkel thinks about these two systems?
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 25, 10:44 AM 2016
Played some sessions today. This one was really tough to beat but i did it.
How would you play this?
1 11
2 10
3 1
4 3
5 32
6 33
7 9
8 35
9 5
10 1 R
11 5 R
12 20
13 7
14 4
15 30
16 9 R
17 14
18 22
19 3 R
20 31
21 18
22 3 R
23 8
24 16
25 27
26 21
27 7 R
28 0
29 26
30 30 R
31 2
32 16 R
33 28
34 29
35 31 R
36 20 R
37 16 R
38 29 R
39 25
40 35 R
41 3 R
42 31 R
43 11 R
-RayManZ
I would have gotten back to you earlier but we had a bad ice storm Thursday and lost power and internet until 2 hours ago.
This is how I would have played it.
I assumed this was a Euro wheel and I covered the 0
I did not like the count after spin 20 so I reset to eliminate 2 repeats.
New count after spin #19 is 8+4 all good --- I will either lose the next spin giving me an even better count of 9+4 or win the next spin giving me a count of 8+3 which I would have started betting at anyways.
RayManZ 25MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 11
2 10
3 1
4 3
5 32
6 33
7 9 RESET
1 35
2 5
3 1
4 5 R
5 20
6 7
7 4
8 30
9 9
10 14 Count is 9/10
11 22
12 3
13 31
14 18
15 3 R
16 8
17 16
18 27
19 21 Count after this spin is 8+4 so bet starting next spin
20 7 R 18 1 18 36 18 18
21 0 R 17 1 17 36 19 37
22 26 16 1 16 -16 21
23 30 R 16 2 32 72 40 61
24 2 15 1 15 -15 46
25 16 R 15 2 30 72 42 88 --- QUIT (Win/Stop of $80-$100 reached)
26 28 14 1 14 -14 74
27 29 14 2 28 -28 46
28 31 R 14 3 42 108 66 112
29 20 R 13 2 26 72 46 158
30 16 12 1 12 -12 146
31 29 12 2 24 -24 122
32 25 12 3 36 -36 86
33 35 R 12 4 48 144 96 182
34 3 R 11 3 33 108 75 257
35 31 10 2 20 -20 237
36 11 10 3 30 -30 207
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 26, 02:11 PM 2016
I wonder what Winkel thinks about these two systems?
-Tomla
I often wondered the same thing.
Pm'd him in the beginning when I started betting repeats but never heard back from him.
Not a surprise after all the flack he received re. G.U.T.
Continued working with Notto and it is where it is at today, which is all good.
Still no losses betting repeats and this scares me somewhat.
Patience, Discipline and do not get greedy are the key things to remember.
If the count is no good I reset, if still bad reset again, if still bad probably time for a coffee and come back later or just quit for the day.
-Celtic
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 26, 03:13 AM 2016
Simon, do not accept bonuses!
And DO NOT use a players card if playing in a B&M.
-Celtic
everything looks good just trying to finalize the end game---when to get out
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 26, 03:55 PM 2016
everything looks good just trying to finalize the end game---when to get out
-Tomla
3 - 4 wins usually does it.
If I win three in a row I will quit right then and there, have a coffee, go for a walk and come back in 1/2 hour or so.
Oh and one more thing, DO NOT go past a 37/38 spin cycle.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 26, 03:53 PM 2016
And DO NOT use a players card if playing in a B&M.
-Celtic
Why no players card?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 27, 12:22 PM 2016
Why no players card?
Ken
-MrJ
I just want to make it as hard as possible for the casino to track me while I am there.
I realize that with the eye in the sky and facial recognition they can find out who I am and what I am doing in the casino anyways but they have to put an effort out for that.
I know they do this for a fact because I had one occasion where the casino called me at home to ask me about my betting habits at the roulette wheel and at that time I did not use a players card, although I did sign up and get one many years ago. This was about about a month and a half ago when I was up about 5K.
Big Brother is watching you when you at the casino.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 27, 12:45 PM 2016
-MrJ
I just want to make it as hard as possible for the casino to track me while I am there.
I realize that with the eye in the sky and facial recognition they can find out who I am and what I am doing in the casino anyways but they have to put an effort out for that.
I know this for a fact because I had one occasion where the casino called me at home to ask me about my betting habits at the roulette wheel and at that time I did not use a players card, although I did sign up and get one many years ago.
Big Brother is watching you when you at the casino.
-Celtic
It was a loaded question on my part.
You ever hear of this.....the casino here CREATED an account for me without my permission. Can you top that?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 27, 12:48 PM 2016
It was a loaded question on my part.
You ever hear of this.....the casino here CREATED an account for me without my permission. Can you top that?
Ken
-MrJ
No I can not top that one but I understand what Simon is talking about.
Did you talk to them to find out what was going on?
The thing is here where I live all of the casinos are government regulated and controlled whether they are directly run by the the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Commission or on indian reserves and they do share data base resources.
-Celtic
Had a bust today on airball :
4 23 9 19
25 5 35 25R
29 20 15 19
28 30 14 36
34 25R 13 9
7 12 9 10
8 7R 23R 5R
0 21 10 17
0R 27 15 18
29R 11 11R 10
---------------------------------
8 +3
Nothing could save me.
Can't win them all
Quote from: denzie on Mar 27, 01:16 PM 2016
Had a bust today on airball :
4 23 9 19
25 5 35 25R
29 20 15 19
28 30 14 36
34 25R 13 9
7 12 9 10
8 7R 23R 5R
0 21 10 17
0R 27 15 18
29R 11 11R 10
---------------------------------
8 +3
Nothing could save me.
Can't win them all
Are these all the numbers and are they numbers running top to bottom and left to right?
-Celtic
Prior to having a card, anything over 3K, they have to fill out a paper at the cage. So now, they have ALL info on me...DOB, address etc.
I know a female dealer there quite well (wink wink), she told me I was on file. Meaning, when I bought in, they would put it in under my name. But how, I never told them my name (lol)
Sooo, I then decided to get a card. Got one and checked my points. HOLY S**T !!!!
Points galore....yes I did use them for many things. Point being, I never ASKED or gave permission for a card. I cant have it both ways? Complain about it AND enjoy the perks? I used a ton of points over a few months then went to customer service and told them to CANCEL my account. They wanted the card back but I lied and said I could not find it. I wrote down my current points and played roulette a couple more times. Put my card into a slot machine to check points and guess what?
They went up again. Meaning my request was ignored.
Ken
Top to bottom. Per column left to right.
4 is first spin
29 is tend spin
23 is eleventh spin
11 is twentieth spin
Etc
I've got 20 numbers more to see if I would made it:
6 , 20 , 9 , 9 , 29 , 34 , 31 , 4 , 24 , 28 , 35 , 2 , 35 , 30 , 14 , 10 , 10 , 17 , 33 , 20
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 27, 01:22 PM 2016
Prior to having a card, anything over 3K, they have to fill out a paper at the cage. So now, they have ALL info on me...DOB, address etc.
I know a female dealer there quite well (wink wink), she told me I was on file. Meaning, when I bought in, they would put it in under my name. But how, I never told them my name (lol)
Sooo, I then decided to get a card. Got one and checked my points. HOLY S**T !!!!
Points galore....yes I did use them for many things. Point being, I never ASKED or gave permission for a card. I cant have it both ways? Complain about it AND enjoy the perks? I used a ton of points over a few months then went to customer service and told them to CANCEL my account. They wanted the card back but I lied and said I could not find it. I wrote down my current points and played roulette a couple more times. Put my card into a slot machine to check points and guess what?
They went up again. Meaning my request was ignored.
Ken
-Ken
Scary stuff but not a lot you can do if you want to play.
The only thing I have right now going on is that they keep sending me free stage show tickets for an Indian casino 1 hour up the road from me.
As a matter of fact, I have free front row centre tickets for a Colin James concert next friday. So the wife and I will make a day of it.
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Mar 27, 01:30 PM 2016
Top to bottom. Per column left to right.
4 is first spin
29 is tend spin
23 is eleventh spin
11 is twelfth spin
Etc
I've got 20 numbers more to see if I would made it:
6 , 20 , 9 , 9 , 29 , 34 , 31 , 4 , 24 , 28 , 35 , 2 , 35 , 30 , 14 , 10 , 10 , 17 , 33 , 20
-Denzie
I am assuming this is a Euro wheel.
Thank you.
-Celtic
I made a mistake but modified it.
11 = twentieth spin instead of twelfth :)
Yeah, they keep track of "some" people regardless if they admit it or not. I did hear of one theory regarding pit bosses....they get bonuses (check) for signing up HIGHER STAKE members for a card even if you dont physically have the card (lol).
I guess normal rules of a sign up are out the window.
Ken
Quote from: denzie on Mar 27, 01:36 PM 2016
I made a mistake but modified it.
11 = twentieth spin instead of twelfth :)
Got it - Thank you.
I am out for a Easter dinner but will get back to you.
Not that I can do any better than you but I can tell you what I would have done.
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Mar 27, 01:16 PM 2016
Had a bust today on airball :
4 23 9 19
25 5 35 25R
29 20 15 19
28 30 14 36
34 25R 13 9
7 12 9 10
8 7R 23R 5R
0 21 10 17
0R 27 15 18
29R 11 11R 10
---------------------------------
8 +3
Nothing could save me.
Can't win them all
Two repeats in the first 10 spins... Ouch!! I would simply have not touched that!!
Simon.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 27, 01:30 PM 2016
Top to bottom. Per column left to right.
4 is first spin
29 is tend spin
23 is eleventh spin
11 is twentieth spin
Etc
I've got 20 numbers more to see if I would made it:
6 , 20 , 9 , 9 , 29 , 34 , 31 , 4 , 24 , 28 , 35 , 2 , 35 , 30 , 14 , 10 , 10 , 17 , 33 , 20
-Denzie
Easter dinner over so here we go.
I would have played this the same way on my airball and with those 2 repeats in the first 10 and a count of 8+3 after spin 20 I would have reset and eliminated the last 2 repeats.
As it turns out by just eliminating the latest repeat you actually have cleared 3.
So we restart at the old spin #8.
The first 10 will now give us 1 repeat and 9/10. So far so good.
What I need is a count of at least 8+3 in spins 11-20.
So on we go.
At old spin #24 we have our +4 for repeaters I have never seen +5 after spin #20 so one of the next two spins should be a repeat. Start betting on spin #25.
We lose on spin #25 and win on spin #26 which now gives us a 9+4 count---Great.
Continue on looking for 4 wins (based on the +4 count) but watch the count.
Remember I am looking for a profit of $80-$100
Our 3rd win is at spin #29 and the count is 10+7 so still good for AT LEAST one more repeat soon.
Fourth win is on next spin (#30)
We have now reached our profit goal so I would quit regardless of the fact that the count says there are still more to come. Remember---DON'T GET GREEDY!!!
I am surprised you had trouble with this one.
Here is the payout sheet
DENZIE 27MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 25
3 29
4 28
5 34
6 7 Reset to eliminate 2 repeats at original spin #15 and spin #17
7 8
8 0
9 0 R
10 29
11 23
12 5
13 20
14 30
15 25
16 12 Count 9/10 compared to 8/10 on original
17 7
18 21
19 27
20 11
21 9
22 35
23 15
24 14 At this point you have a +4 R count (never seen +5 after spin 20)
25 13 18 1 18 -18 -18
26 9 R 18 2 36 72 36 18
27 23 R 17 1 17 36 19 37
28 10 16 1 16 -16 21
29 15 R 16 2 32 72 40 61
30 11 R 15 1 15 36 21 82 --- Profit goal reached count is 10+6
31 19 14 1 14 -14 68
32 25 R 14 2 28 72 44 112
33 19 15 1 15 -15 97
34 36 15 2 30 -30 67
35 9 15 3 45 -45 22
36 10 15 4 60 -60 -38
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 27, 06:41 PM 2016
Two repeats in the first 10 spins... Ouch!! I would simply have not touched that!!
Simon.
UPDATE:
We reset to start at old spin #7 not 8
Sorry about that.
-Celtic
Thanks Celtic, you analyse is easy to follow!
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 27, 07:25 PM 2016
DENZIE 27MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 25
3 29
4 28
5 34
6 7 Reset to eliminate 2 repeats at original spin #15 and spin #17
7 8
8 0
9 0 R
10 29
11 23
12 5
13 20
14 30
15 25
16 12 Count 9/10 compared to 8/10 on original
17 7
18 21
19 27
20 11
21 9
22 35
23 15
24 14 At this point you have a +4 R count (never seen +5 after spin 20)
25 13 18 1 18 -18 -18
26 9 R 18 2 36 72 36 18
27 23 R 17 1 17 36 19 37
28 10 16 1 16 -16 21
29 15 R 16 2 32 72 40 61
30 11 R 15 1 15 36 21 82 --- Profit goal reached count is 10+6
31 19 14 1 14 -14 68
32 25 R 14 2 28 72 44 112
33 19 15 1 15 -15 97
34 36 15 2 30 -30 67
35 9 15 3 45 -45 22
36 10 15 4 60 -60 -38
- Celticknits
Nice one how you handled the 2 repeaters. I thought you should do a reset after the repeaters 0 and 29 (#9 and #10).
That you handled the 25 and 7 instead was really nice!
I have one question for you:
The count after #20 is 9+4 (4 more unhit than average)
At #30 you say the count is 10+6(6 more unhit than average)
But in my head that can't be true. Because it has hit 3 repeaters and 1 unhit.
I can understand the 10 but how do you get +6? I get it to +2...
Thanks for a good explanation otherwise!
@ celt:
in past examples 8+3 in first 10 werent a problem.
or am i am wrong?
why to avoid 2 repeaters in first 10?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Mar 28, 10:35 AM 2016
@ celt:
in past examples 8+3 in first 10 werent a problem.
or am i am wrong?
why to avoid 2 repeaters in first 10?
That's what I thought also :o
Good question.
So basically we only want 9/10 or 10/10 in spin 1-10?
And we need +3 , +4 , +5 in spin 11-20 ?
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 27, 09:17 PM 2016
UPDATE:
We reset to start at old spin #7 not 8
Sorry about that.
-Celtic
Why can't u reset at spin #4? Then number 28 is the first spin?
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 28, 05:00 AM 2016
- Celticknits
Nice one how you handled the 2 repeaters. I thought you should do a reset after the repeaters 0 and 29 (#9 and #10).
That you handled the 25 and 7 instead was really nice!
I have one question for you:
The count after #20 is 9+4 (4 more unhit than average)
At #30 you say the count is 10+6(6 more unhit than average)
But in my head that can't be true. Because it has hit 3 repeaters and 1 unhit.
I can understand the 10 but how do you get +6? I get it to +2...
Thanks for a good explanation otherwise!
-Tuddilue
Your statements ar in RED.
I thought you should do a reset after the repeaters 0 and 29 (#9 and #10).
When I reset I want to go back as far as possible and would be willing to leave 2 sets of repeats in the original numbers.
This one worked out a lot better deleting repeats. Sometimes it does not and I reset again.
When betting repeats there are a lot of decisions that are based on personal preference and how you feel when you look at the current count.
When you read about GUT how many times did you see Winkel say that the choice is yours or if you do not feel right about something just reset, or take a jump as he used to say.
I have one question for you:
The count after #20 is 9+4 (4 more unhit than average)
At #30 you say the count is 10+6(6 more unhit than average)
But in my head that can't be true. Because it has hit 3 repeaters and 1 unhit.
I can understand the 10 but how do you get +6? I get it to +2...
I was afraid that referencing spin numbers might get confusing, when dealing with a reset.
The spin #20 you reference above is in the new reset cycle and not in the old cycle.
The 10+6 count is after spin #24 of the reset cycle not spin #30 of the new cycle.
You mixed the two cycle spin numbers.
So ONLY USING THE NEW SPIN CYCLE NUMBERS we get:
Spin #20 --- Count is 9+4
Spin #21 --- This is another Repeat.
Remember there are 5 repeats allocated to every block of 10 spins so 5-1=4 added to the old count of 9+4 gives us 9+8
Spin #22 --- This is an unhit number so the count is 10+8 (the repeat count stays the same and 1 is added to the unhit total.
Spin #23 --- Another Repeat giving us (9+4+ 1Unhit + (5-2)Repeats = 10+7
Spin #24 --- Another Repeat giving us (9+4+ 1Unhit + (5-3)Repeats = 10+6
Now if you continue the count to spin #30 OF THE NEW CYCLE your repeat count WILL BE the +2 you mentioned but your unhit count will have increase by 3 giving you a count of 12+2 at spin #30 of the new cycle. (9+4)+(3-2).
I think the confusion came in because you mixed the old and new spin cycle numbers.
Take a look at the attached chart that shows both the original and reset cycles.
Let me know if this helps clears it up for you.
-Celtic
Quote from: RFMAXX on Mar 28, 10:35 AM 2016
@ celt:
in past examples 8+3 in first 10 werent a problem.
or am i am wrong?
why to avoid 2 repeaters in first 10?
-RFMAXX
No you are not wrong.
In the case of Dennies numbers I reset because:
1. This is RNG and some really weird number sequences come up that I do not see in live play at the B&M
2. Coupled with the RNG I did not like those 2 repeats in the first 10 spins.
Based on the teachings of Winkel, Notto, Azim and others there are many times when following the count, or trot as Winkel calls it, when a decision has to be made whether to carry on, reset or just plain quit. In this case I decided to reset.
Also, please note that the 8+3 does not reference the first 10 spins but the second ten so we are 20 spins into the 37 spin cycle.
-Celtic
This was airball. Not RNG. I'm stopped playing rng to see if it would make any difference. So far it seems I've got more repeaters in spin 21-30. As on rng they come in 31-40. But than we could get the wrong repeaters.
Only this session is the first to bust. As my feeling told me the count was good.
But hey, much more profit then losses. I go for minimum 1 br each day. So it won't hurt me. It's all good :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Mar 28, 10:53 AM 2016
So basically we only want 9/10 or 10/10 in spin 1-10?
And we need +3 , +4 , +5 in spin 11-20 ?
-Denzie
Yes that is what I was looking for before betting with your numbers in this session.
I approached this thinking that it was RNG and that scares the hell out of me.
Basically, I did not feel good about those 2 repeats in the first 10 spins.
Remember this is just how I would have played this session.
Based on the teachings of Winkel, Notto, Azim and others there are many times when following the count, or trot as Winkel calls it, when a decision has to be made whether to carry on, reset or just plain quit. Winkel has stated that if you are not sure about something it may be best to just jump/reset, after all, the numbers will keep coming and you have not bet anything. In this case I decided to reset.
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Mar 28, 02:06 PM 2016
This was airball. Not RNG. I'm stopped playing rng to see if it would make any difference. So far it seems I've got more repeaters in spin 21-30. As on rng they come in 31-40. But than we could get the wrong repeaters.
Only this session is the first to bust. As my feeling told me the count was good.
But hey, much more profit then losses. I go for minimum 1 br each day. So it won't hurt me. It's all good :thumbsup:
-Denzie
Based on you your stratement in red above you did the right thing by continuing.
I did not feel that it was good enough so I reset.
I call these decisions my Winkel moments.
I realize that a lot of people will not understand this and there is no way to explain it but if something bothers you and gives you doubts just reset or quit.
-Celtic
Thx for your reply Celticknits.
Still love those repeaters :thumbsup:
Answer in red:
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 28, 01:33 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
...
I think the confusion came in because you mixed the old and new spin cycle numbers.
Thanks for the explanation now I understand how you count it. Really clever I will start with it right away.
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!
Take a look at the attached chart that shows both the original and reset cycles.
Let me know if this helps clears it up for you.
Yes thanks!!
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Mar 28, 02:06 PM 2016
...
But hey, much more profit then losses. I go for minimum 1 br each day. So it won't hurt me. It's all good :thumbsup:
-Denzie
Good to hear!
I ask because I'm curious, how long does it take for you to win a br on airball?
Thanks in advance!
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 28, 02:48 PM 2016
-Denzie
Good to hear!
I ask because I'm curious, how long does it take for you to win a br on airball?
Thanks in advance!
3 to 5 hours :)
Quote from: denzie on Mar 28, 02:58 PM 2016
3 to 5 hours :)
Impressive! Around that was my guessing!
For me right now I have around half an hour per day. So maybe I can play 2 sessions but it usually it is one so 80-100 units on RNG...
Quote from: goldrosen on Mar 28, 11:22 AM 2016
Why can't u reset at spin #4? Then number 28 is the first spin?
-Golden
No reason at all.
As it turns out had I reset to where you said it would have been a better option because I would have won sooner.
Good call.
When I play a set of published numbers I try and approach it as I would have if I was sitting in my B&M AND without looking at ALL of the numbers. This is hard to do but remember that there is not a lot of time for analysis when you are at the table(s).
Anyways the first reset point that I saw was AFTER spin #6 and that is why I went there.
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Mar 28, 02:34 PM 2016
Thx for your reply Celticknits.
Still love those repeaters :thumbsup:
-Denzie
You are more than welcome.
Repeaters are still all I am playing.
-Celtic
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 28, 02:36 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
...
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
You cannot remove the one repeat from the +4 because that one repeat is part of the 5 repeats allocated to the spins 21-30. So you subtract it from that 5 and add it to the previous count.
10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
This is correct.
Yes the unhit count is 10 but your repeat count is not correct.
10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!
Tracking the count through individual spins is hard and takes practice but it is necessary to understand so that you can make more informed decisions as they come up.
There is nothing new to this really.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 28, 03:48 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
...
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
You cannot remove the one repeat from the +4 because that one repeat is part of the 5 repeats allocated to the spins 21-30. So you subtract it from that 5 and add it to the previous count.
10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
This is correct.
Yes the unhit count is 10 but your repeat count is not correct.
10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!
Tracking the count through individual spins is hard and takes practice but it is necessary to understand so that you can make more informed decisions as they come up.
There is nothing new to this really.
-Celtic
-Celticknits
I will start using it tomorrow. Thanks I'm always learning something new from you. For example, my game improved alot when I started to use the reset in the correct way from you...
This count has bothered me but now I know how to do it. I think anyway :wink:
Otherwise more questions will arise!
Thanks that you take the time and for good advice!!
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 28, 03:48 PM 2016
-Tuddilue
...
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
You cannot remove the one repeat from the +4 because that one repeat is part of the 5 repeats allocated to the spins 21-30. So you subtract it from that 5 and add it to the previous count.
10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
This is correct.
Yes the unhit count is 10 but your repeat count is not correct.
10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!
Tracking the count through individual spins is hard and takes practice but it is necessary to understand so that you can make more informed decisions as they come up.
There is nothing new to this really.
-Celtic
-Tuddilue
Glad to help
-Celtic
For anyone interested here is my weekly Monday live play at the local B&M on a Euro airball wheel:
Notes on how I play:
If spin #20 is an unhit number, and the repeat count is +3 or less I wait for a repeat to hit OR two more un-hits in a row before I start betting.
GEORGIAN DOWNS 28MAR16 (00 Wheel)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 20
2 15
3 12
4 6
5 31
6 22
7 19
8 0
9 9
10 7 10/10
11 21
12 29
13 7 R
14 12 R
15 17
16 22 R
17 2
18 36
19 26
20 3 Count at this point is 7 +2
21 25
22 8
23 25 R 20 1 20 36 16 16
24 7 R 19 1 19 36 17 33
25 2 R 18 1 18 36 18 51
26 34 17 1 17 -17 34
27 00 R 17 2 34 72 38 72 --- Quit
28 27 16 1 16 -16 56
29 7 16 2 32 -32 24
30 32 16 3 48 -48 -24
31 1 16 4 64 -64 -88
32 29 R 16 5 80 180 100 12
33 1 15 4 60 -60 -48
34 15 R 15 5 75 180 105 57
35 30 14 4 56 -56 1
36 6 R 14 5 70 180 110 111
37 27 13 1 13 -13 98
38 35 13 2 26 -26 72
39
40
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 28, 10:45 PM 2016
For anyone interested here is my weekly Monday live play at the local B&M on a Euro airball wheel:
Notes on how I play:
If spin #20 is an unhit number, and the repeat count is +3 or less I wait for a repeat to hit OR two more un-hits in a row before I start betting.
GEORGIAN DOWNS 28MAR16 (00 Wheel)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 20
2 15
3 12
4 6
5 31
6 22
7 19
8 0
9 9
10 7 10/10
11 21
12 29
13 7 R
14 12 R
15 17
16 22 R
17 2
18 36
19 26
20 3 Count at this point is 7 +2
21 25
22 8
23 25 R 20 1 20 36 16 16
24 7 R 19 1 19 36 17 33
25 2 R 18 1 18 36 18 51
26 34 17 1 17 -17 34
27 00 R 17 2 34 72 38 72 --- Quit
28 27 16 1 16 -16 56
29 7 16 2 32 -32 24
30 32 16 3 48 -48 -24
31 1 16 4 64 -64 -88
32 29 R 16 5 80 180 100 12
33 1 15 4 60 -60 -48
34 15 R 15 5 75 180 105 57
35 30 14 4 56 -56 1
36 6 R 14 5 70 180 110 111
37 27 13 1 13 -13 98
38 35 13 2 26 -26 72
39
40
Too much chocolate with the grandkids at Easter.
The wheel is an American 00 wheel.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 28, 10:45 PM 2016
For anyone interested here is my weekly Monday live play at the local B&M on a Euro airball wheel:
Notes on how I play:
If spin #20 is an unhit number, and the repeat count is +3 or less I wait for a repeat to hit OR two more un-hits in a row before I start betting.
...
Interesting aproach. Is these rules are there something you have seen in all your plays or is it a gut feeling?
I will also add them to my plays and see what happens. Thanks!
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 29, 01:32 AM 2016
Interesting aproach. Is these rules are there something you have seen in all your plays or is it a gut feeling?
You ask the right question again ;)
I will also add them to my plays and see what happens. Thanks!
Be careful with RNG....I've seen the best counts lose on it . First repeater at spin 33 and only 1 repeater in spin 21-30 , etc....
That's why I switched to airball to see how it's different.
In my rng sessions going for 3 hits was less profitable. Going for 1 hit came out best. So far I'm getting more repeaters in spin 21-30 on airball. Just so you know. I could advise if you don't have much time and need rng. ... go for 1 or 2 hits...sit out 2 virtual spins. If no virtual hit then go for one last hit.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 29, 02:59 AM 2016
Be careful with RNG....I've seen the best counts lose on it . First repeater at spin 33 and only 1 repeater in spin 21-30 , etc....
That's why I switched to airball to see how it's different.
In my rng sessions going for 3 hits was less profitable. Going for 1 hit came out best. So far I'm getting more repeaters in spin 21-30 on airball. Just so you know. I could advise if you don't have much time and need rng. ... go for 1 or 2 hits...sit out 2 virtual spins. If no virtual hit then go for one last hit.
Yes I know. The RNG is hard to play against. It behaves as you says, sometimes there are not many repeaters in 21-30 but everything is pointing towards it. So far it always has around nottos average 15 repeaters in 11-40.
For me right now it is the time aspect that is doing that I play on RNG. But I have played on airball before and I will start playing on it soon. Will be interesting about your findings. But if you find that there are more repeaters in spin 21-30 than RNG then that is a reason to change to airball...
Yes I have also found that 1 to 2 hits on the RNG is enough. Then the repeaters will stop :ooh:
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 29, 01:32 AM 2016
Interesting aproach. Is these rules are there something you have seen in all your plays or is it a gut feeling?
I will also add them to my plays and see what happens. Thanks!
-Tuddilue
Early in this thread, or the KTF thread, Denzie mentioned that when he gets a good count he waits for a repeat to hit before he actually starts to bet so I tried it and it seems to work out most of the time. Adding the waiting for 2 more non-hits was just something that I came up with that seems to enhance it. This seems to cut down on some initial drawdowns in spins 21-30 and had I started betting at spin #21 I still would have won but those non-hits just meant that you needed a larger BR to ride it out until the repeats came.
I will say that nothing is really cast in stone and there are still times that that I will start betting at spin #21 with say a 10/10 in spins 1-10 and a count of 8 +3 in spins 11-20. Look at the numbers I posted for my live game yesterday and the drawdown I would have had if I had started betting at spin #21. Not that bad but now look at the drawdown if I had started betting on spin #21 of Denzies original numbers with the 8+3 count. We would have been at progression level 6 before we got a win.
I no longer post all my games because a lot of people seem to think that there is a firm set of rules and there isn't.
Look at what happened the other day when Denzie posted some numbers and I posted a payout sheet on how I would have played it.
When I work with posted numbers I try to approach it the same way I would if I was sitting in the B&M and do not look at numbers that are to come. In that case the other day I did not like the 2 repeats in the first 10 spins so I reset. If you run the numbers by betting right away you still would have won. The selection of my reset point was also brought up and as it turns out had I selected an earlier reset point I would have won sooner but as I said I approached as if I was sitting at a table and only allow myself 10 seconds to analyze the situation and make a decision.
I almost did not post yesterdays play because in the past I have said that if I get three hits in a row I quit. This time I waited for 4. I did this because my initial stake was higher than normal so after the 3rd win in a row the count was still good and I felt that it was OK to continue but I was firm on the idea that I would quit after the next win as long as was in a profit.
I ALWAYS take the JJ numbers that Notto posts either in this thread or KTF and run them as if I was in the casino and I would suggest that others do the same. As has been said may times Practice, Practice, Practice.
-Celtic
I cant seem to get a loosing session on RNG the way I play it. Anybody here got an EPIC loosing session?? Like, lost all your starting bankroll on a single game? The worst I got yet is +4 units on a 4th level progression with betting on 14 repeaters. If you can post it here I would like to study it.
I think I found an online live dealers with a 40 seconds betting delay to try it on.... We'll see.
Thanks!!
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 29, 11:02 AM 2016
I cant seem to get a loosing session on RNG the way I play it. Anybody here got an EPIC loosing session?? Like, lost all your starting bankroll on a single game? The worst I got yet is +4 units on a 4th level progression with betting on 14 repeaters. If you can post it here I would like to study it.
I think I found an online live dealers with a 40 seconds betting delay to try it on.... We'll see.
Thanks!!
I can't help you with the losing session.
Exactly how are you playing it?
Can you give us a link to the online live dealer?
This must be one of the few threads where people are wondering when they are going to lose :wink:
Gotta love it.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 11:10 AM 2016
I can't help you with the losing session.
Exactly how are you playing it?
Can you give us a link to the online live dealer?
This must be one of the few threads where people are wondering when they are going to lose :wink:
Gotta love it.
-Celtic
I called my method FTT (F*ck the Trot!)
I just cant seem to understand it and I still wonder what it’s importance is in the repeats betting method.
The way I do it is pretty simple. I check the last 10 spins. There must be NO repeats. I wait for the next 10 spins. There MUST BE between 3-4 repeats. NO MORE, NO LESS. (Why? Beacose I have noticed in my sessions that less than that, there is a tendency to have less repeats in 21-40. More than that, same thing.)
At bet 21, I start betting all numbers from spins 1 to 20 that have come up once. Usually around 10-13 numbers. I bet with +1 progression. I stop at higher high and reset. I go for 1 win only. I then use the last 10 numbers to restart a new session if there are no repeats.
Thats is.
I try to play only on Betsoft (link:://:.betsoft.com/) roulette software only. Why? Beacose all the certification of their RNG is on their web site and their registration too (link:://:.betsoft.com/application/files/7814/3808/5190/Digital_Software_Limited_RNG__Certificate.pdf) .
Also, as I uderstand it, when you play a Betsoft roulette on a Online Casino, the software you are downloading is from the Betsoft site and it is running on their server. Not the Casino`s.
I want to try a Provably Fair roulette table soon.
The site with the 40 seconds roulette table is link:s://fortunejack.com
It`s cryptocurrencies only though. It’s ok with me as I only do bitcoins gaming.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 29, 01:04 PM 2016
I called my method FTT (F*ck the Trot!)
He he funny name. Yah why not!?
I just cant seem to understand it and I still wonder what it’s importance is in the repeats betting method.
The way I do it is pretty simple. I check the last 10 spins. There must be NO repeats. I wait for the next 10 spins. There MUST BE between 3-4 repeats. NO MORE, NO LESS. (Why? Beacose I have noticed in my sessions that less than that, there is a tendency to have less repeats in 21-40. More than that, same thing.)
At bet 21, I start betting all numbers from spins 1 to 20 that have come up once. Usually around 10-13 numbers. I bet with +1 progression. I stop at higher high and reset. I go for 1 win only. I then use the last 10 numbers to restart a new session if there are no repeats.
I see that you have developed your method. One question what are you doing with the numbers that has hit more than ones? Are you betting them as well?
Thats is.
I try to play only on Betsoft (link:://:.betsoft.com/) roulette software only. Why? Beacose all the certification of their RNG is on their web site and their registration too (link:://:.betsoft.com/application/files/7814/3808/5190/Digital_Software_Limited_RNG__Certificate.pdf) .
Also, as I uderstand it, when you play a Betsoft roulette on a Online Casino, the software you are downloading is from the Betsoft site and it is running on their server. Not the Casino`s.
I want to try a Provably Fair roulette table soon.
The site with the 40 seconds roulette table is link:s://fortunejack.com
It`s cryptocurrencies only though. It’s ok with me as I only do bitcoins gaming.I have not tested those online sites but I will, thanks! I will try this method on Bwin RNG. That is executed on their site..
Simon.
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 09:40 AM 2016
-Tuddilue
Early in this thread, or the KTF thread, Denzie mentioned that when he gets a good count he waits for a repeat to hit before he actually starts to bet so I tried it and it seems to work out most of the time. Adding the waiting for 2 more non-hits was just something that I came up with that seems to enhance it. This seems to cut down on some initial drawdowns in spins 21-30 and had I started betting at spin #21 I still would have won but those non-hits just meant that you needed a larger BR to ride it out until the repeats came.
Yes I remember that Denzie mentioned it. I think it is in the KTF thread.. Yes I can understand that it will cut down some drawdown...
I will say that nothing is really cast in stone and there are still times that that I will start betting at spin #21 with say a 10/10 in spins 1-10 and a count of 8 +3 in spins 11-20. Look at the numbers I posted for my live game yesterday and the drawdown I would have had if I had started betting at spin #21. Not that bad but now look at the drawdown if I had started betting on spin #21 of Denzies original numbers with the 8+3 count. We would have been at progression level 6 before we got a win.
Yes that was a lucky one. Sometimes you will have luck and sometimes not. I understand that it is not set in stone and I think that is the beauty of it because you can play it in different ways.
I no longer post all my games because a lot of people seem to think that there is a firm set of rules and there isn't.
Look at what happened the other day when Denzie posted some numbers and I posted a payout sheet on how I would have played it.
When I work with posted numbers I try to approach it the same way I would if I was sitting in the B&M and do not look at numbers that are to come. In that case the other day I did not like the 2 repeats in the first 10 spins so I reset. If you run the numbers by betting right away you still would have won. The selection of my reset point was also brought up and as it turns out had I selected an earlier reset point I would have won sooner but as I said I approached as if I was sitting at a table and only allow myself 10 seconds to analyze the situation and make a decision.
I think we are a lot that want to learn more about this. I can just talk for myself and that is the case for me. I always tries to run the same games as you do and almost every time I get some other result. That is really nice because then I learn a lot. The reset and now the count in 21-30 has really changed my game.
I almost did not post yesterdays play because in the past I have said that if I get three hits in a row I quit. This time I waited for 4. I did this because my initial stake was higher than normal so after the 3rd win in a row the count was still good and I felt that it was OK to continue but I was firm on the idea that I would quit after the next win as long as was in a profit.
I ALWAYS take the JJ numbers that Notto posts either in this thread or KTF and run them as if I was in the casino and I would suggest that others do the same. As has been said may times Practice, Practice, Practice.
I agree with you. You need to Practice, Practice, Practice and you always learns new things!
-Celtic
So thanks for adding your sheets and answering my questions. It is really appreciated! Thanks!
Simon
1-10 no repeats
11-20 3-4 repeats only
play the uniques --wouldnt that be 16 or 17 numbers and not 11-13 numbers???
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 29, 02:32 PM 2016
Simon
1-10 no repeats
11-20 3-4 repeats only
play the uniques --wouldnt that be 16 or 17 numbers and not 11-13 numbers???
I think that he takes off both repeaters.
So, if you have 4 repeaters, it is 8 numbers less = 12!
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 29, 01:04 PM 2016
I called my method FTT (F*ck the Trot!)
I just cant seem to understand it and I still wonder what it’s importance is in the repeats betting method.
The way I do it is pretty simple. I check the last 10 spins. There must be NO repeats. I wait for the next 10 spins. There MUST BE between 3-4 repeats. NO MORE, NO LESS. (Why? Beacose I have noticed in my sessions that less than that, there is a tendency to have less repeats in 21-40. More than that, same thing.)
At bet 21, I start betting all numbers from spins 1 to 20 that have come up once. Usually around 10-13 numbers. I bet with +1 progression. I stop at higher high and reset. I go for 1 win only. I then use the last 10 numbers to restart a new session if there are no repeats.
Thats is.
I try to play only on Betsoft (link:://:.betsoft.com/) roulette software only. Why? Beacose all the certification of their RNG is on their web site and their registration too (link:://:.betsoft.com/application/files/7814/3808/5190/Digital_Software_Limited_RNG__Certificate.pdf) .
Also, as I uderstand it, when you play a Betsoft roulette on a Online Casino, the software you are downloading is from the Betsoft site and it is running on their server. Not the Casino`s.
I want to try a Provably Fair roulette table soon.
The site with the 40 seconds roulette table is link:s://fortunejack.com
It`s cryptocurrencies only though. It’s ok with me as I only do bitcoins gaming.
Simon.
-Simon
So to summarize you are only playing the uniques in the first 20 spins and then only looking for one win?
What do you do if spins 21-24 are all un-hit numbers and then spin 25 is a repeat win?
You would have not got back to a + total.
If you are only going for 1 win I guess I don't have to ask if you are taking down the hit repeats ... or do I?
Also, are you covereing the 0 or 00 if they are not in the initial sequence of numbers?
-Celtic
Celts have a look at these KTF luv it, made £13 for .25p units
Lad san 29.3.16
1 1
2 20
3 11
4 25
5 9
6 27
7 32
8 25
9 22
10 34
11 35
12 26
13 6
14 25
15 29
16 23
17 29
18 13
19 30
20 21
21 7
22 19
23 13
24 13
25 22
26 2
27 20
28 0
29 33
30 15
31 16
32 8
33 26
34 9
35 25
36 1
37 17
38 26
39 29
40 36
Oh yeah RNG
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 29, 04:29 PM 2016
Celts have a look at these KTF luv it, made £13 for .25p units
Lad san 29.3.16
1 1
2 20
3 11
4 25
5 9
6 27
7 32
8 25
9 22
10 34
11 35
12 26
13 6
14 25
15 29
16 23
17 29
18 13
19 30
20 21
21 7
22 19
23 13
24 13
25 22
26 2
27 20
28 0
29 33
30 15
31 16
32 8
33 26
34 9
35 25
36 1
37 17
38 26
39 29
40 36
Oh yeah RNG
-Notto
Love that triple in the first 20.
Here is the payout sheet for repeats as I would have played it :twisted:
-Celtic
LAD san 29MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 1
2 20
3 11
4 25 X
5 9
6 27
7 32
8 25 R
9 22
10 34 9/10
11 35
12 26
13 6
14 25 R
15 29
16 23
17 29 R
18 13
19 30
20 21 8 +3
21 7
22 19
23 13 R 19 1 19 36 17 17
24 13 18 1 18 -18 -1
25 22 R 18 2 36 72 36 35
26 2 17 1 17 -17 18
27 20 R 17 2 34 72 38 56
28 0 R 16 1 16 36 20 76 --- Would have quit here
29 33 15 1 15 -15 61
30 15 15 2 30 -30 31
31 16 15 3 45 -45 -14
32 8 15 4 60 -60 -74
33 26 R 15 5 75 180 105 31
34 9 R 14 4 56 144 88 119
35 25 13 1 13 -13 106
36 1 R 13 2 26 72 46 152
37 17 12 1 12 -12 140
38 26 12 2 24 -24 116
39 29 R 12 3 36 108 72 188
40 36 11 1 11 -11 177
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 29, 01:39 PM 2016
I called my method FTT (F*ck the Trot!)
He he funny name. Yah why not!?
:wink:
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 29, 01:39 PM 2016
At bet 21, I start betting all numbers from spins 1 to 20 that have come up once. Usually around 10-13 numbers. I bet with +1 progression. I stop at higher high and reset. I go for 1 win only. I then use the last 10 numbers to restart a new session if there are no repeats.
I see that you have developed your method. One question what are you doing with the numbers that has hit more than ones? Are you betting them as well?
Every numbers that have hit twice, three or four or more times during the 20st spins are removed. So, let's say that at spins 3,7 and 13 the number 2 gets out, they are removed all three. So that leaves us with 17 numbers to bet (if there are no other repeaters... of course...)
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 29, 02:32 PM 2016
Simon
1-10 no repeats
11-20 3-4 repeats only
play the uniques --wouldnt that be 16 or 17 numbers and not 11-13 numbers???
Quote from: nextyear on Mar 29, 03:49 PM 2016
I think that he takes off both repeaters.
So, if you have 4 repeaters, it is 8 numbers less = 12!
Yep…. Thats it….
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 09:40 AM 2016
Early in this thread, or the KTF thread, Denzie mentioned that when he gets a good count he waits for a repeat to hit before he actually starts to bet so I tried it and it seems to work out most of the time. Adding the waiting for 2 more non-hits was just something that I came up with that seems to enhance it. This seems to cut down on some initial drawdowns in spins 21-30 and had I started betting at spin #21 I still would have won but those non-hits just meant that you needed a larger BR to ride it out until the repeats came.
That is very interesting. I had started a similar way but stopped, and frankly… I dont know why… My first way of playing was the same as now but with waiting for a repeat after spin 20 before starting to bet. I found looking at past games that repeats tends to come clustered in spins 21-40.
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 04:09 PM 2016
So to summarize you are only playing the uniques in the first 20 spins and then only looking for one win?
What do you do if spins 21-24 are all un-hit numbers and then spin 25 is a repeat win?
You would have not got back to a + total.
Oh, sorry about that…. I go +1/-1 until a higher high. So if it happens in at, let's say, spin 21, then yes. I go for one win and I restart a new session. In one of the last game I played, I got 10 singles in 1-10 and 8 singles in 11-20. So that makes for 16 numbers to bet on. I got to level +4, which I won (I was starting to sweat…), But I was still under my initial start. So the next bet was for 15 numbers (the original ones minus the last repeater) at level +3 that I won for a wooping +47 units!!
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 04:09 PM 2016
If you are only going for 1 win I guess I don't have to ask if you are taking down the hit repeats ... or do I?
Actually you do!! Yes! I take down the hit repeat and continue with the +1/-1 until I am at a higher high if it has not happened with the first bets.
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 04:09 PM 2016
Also, are you covereing the 0 or 00 if they are not in the initial sequence of numbers?
No. 0 and 00 are numbers juste like all the other numbers. If they are in spins 1-20 I will bet them, like any other numbers. In this method they are no different than covering the 1, or the 23, or the 15 if they were not in the 1-20 spins. They are just other numbers like all the other numbers.
I’m having a blast with you guys!! Thanks for participating in all of this!! This is really fun!!
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 29, 10:35 PM 2016
:wink:
Every numbers that have hit twice, three or four or more times during the 20st spins are removed. So, let's say that at spins 3,7 and 13 the number 2 gets out, they are removed all three. So that leaves us with 17 numbers to bet (if there are no other repeaters... of course...)
Yep…. Thats it….
That is very interesting. I had started a similar way but stopped, and frankly… I dont know why… My first way of playing was the same as now but with waiting for a repeat after spin 20 before starting to bet. I found looking at past games that repeats tends to come clustered in spins 21-40.
Oh, sorry about that…. I go +1/-1 until a higher high. In one of the last game I played, I got 10 singles in 1-10 and 8 singles in 11-20. So that makes for 16 numbers to bet on. I got to level +4, which I won (I was starting to sweat…), But I was still under my initial start. So the next bet was for 15 numbers (the original ones minus the last repeater) at level +3 that I won for a wooping +47 units!!
Actually you do!! Yes! I take down the hit repeat and continue with the +1/-1 until I am at a higher high.
No. 0 and 00 are numbers juste like all the other numbers. If they are in spins 1-20 I will bet them, like any other numbers. In this method they are no different than covering the 1, or the 23, or the 15 if they were not in the 1-20 spins. They are just other numbers like all the other numbers.
I’m having a blast with you guys!! Thanks for participating in all of this!! This is really fun!!
-Simon
Thank you for clearing up these questions.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 10:39 PM 2016
-Simon
Thank you for clearing up these questions.
-Celtic
No prob!! Let me know if you see something in this and if we could make it into something even better!
Hi Simon
If a number that appears in the first 10 then appears twice in the next 10 is that counted as 1 repeat or 2?
Hi Denzie,
I have been trying to play this at a live casino but sometimes i have been short of time. I quit playing it on RNG since I have been sessioned out too many times...
My question is on what table are you playing since you also are using unibet? and have you also been sessioned out without a reason...
To Notto and Celtic and the rest who are testing it: Thank you for a great topic and system. Im hoping to enjoy the same success as you.
What is sessioned out ?
When playing somethimes you get an error saying session expired. Then you have to reload the game/page and start over again. only managed to finish 9 games all in profit but got throughen out 4 times.
If you're getting in a hole, it's very hard to recover with a doubledozen bet OR 27 numbers bet with a +1/-1 progression, we all know that. and once you're getting in such a hole, all previous winnings will be lost, (depending on what stoploss you're using)
Quote from: ignatus on Mar 30, 04:54 PM 2016
If you're getting in a hole, it's very hard to recover with a doubledozen bet OR 27 numbers bet with a +1/-1 progression, we all know that. and once you're getting in such a hole, all previous winnings will be lost, (depending on what stoploss you're using)
-ignatus
Nobody here is betting 27 numbers.
15-18 numbers would be the norm.
27 numbers sounds like KTF and is not what this thread is about.
Let me ask you a question --- If you could play a strategy, within a single 37 spin cycle, that shows a profit when you only Win 5 times and Lose 9 times, within 14 betting spins, using a +1/-1 progression, wouldn't it be worthwhile checking out?
-Celtic
Quote from: 777vic777 on Mar 30, 04:42 PM 2016
When playing somethimes you get an error saying session expired. Then you have to reload the game/page and start over again. only managed to finish 9 games all in profit but got throughen out 4 times.
I have played at a lot of casinos online and never got that. Go play at another Casino. There are so much out there.....
Simon,
Quote from: shuttle on Mar 30, 02:48 AM 2016
Hi Simon
If a number that appears in the first 10 then appears twice in the next 10 is that counted as 1 repeat or 2?
It count as 1 number repeated 2 times. So, in the 20 first spins, it's 3 numbers out. So, that leaves 17 numbers to bet.
Simon.
Quote from: 777vic777 on Mar 30, 04:42 PM 2016
When playing somethimes you get an error saying session expired. Then you have to reload the game/page and start over again. only managed to finish 9 games all in profit but got throughen out 4 times.
Never had that problem with any online casino. I played the airball, live dealer (1â,¬) and now currently the live dealer (5â,¬) .... on my way to the 25â,¬ table. Maybe check your connection? That is the only problem I've had.
It only happends on RNG, unibet and on betsafe they have the same provaider. Ill try the live dealers table, hope im quick enough to place my bets. Thanks for the reply. And well done on the progress the most impressive results i have ever seen. 400+ one bust. hope you reach the 25euro ASAP :thumbsup:
I make a table layout on paper... mark the numbers to play.... then I need about 12-15 seconds to click. After that click on the yellow star to save your bets. Next spin click the star again. And click till you are where needed in your progression ( 1 click is 1 unit on all # , 2 click is 2 units etc ).
So you need to place the bets only one time :thumbsup:
wow, I have been playing for many years on this site but never used it. now look how much easier it is. many thanx for sharing :thumbsup:
Hey Celticknits,
Could you play this session for me. Could not make it a winner...
1 15
2 35
3 33
4 0
5 6
6 34
7 35
8 18
9 25
10 23
11 3
12 23
13 16
14 30
15 29
16 31
17 13
18 31
19 20
20 10
21 4
22 7
23 21
24 22
25 6
26 32
27 29
28 28
29 7
30 32
31 25
32 11
33 4
34 21
35 10
36 23
37 2
38 21
39 31
40 16
41 30
42 23
43 31
44 25
45 4
46 15
47 8
48 4
49 26
50 7
Hi Ray
For getting KTF, you’d be just watching, so 13th spin GUT would be saying trot is spot on.
Do you remember the average for non-hit, in spins 11-20 is 7,+2, so at 17th spin you have 15 non-hit, 6 of the average 7, would you now go for the repeat, as half of the expected 8 in the next 12 spins have already come, the 8 in next 12 spins is from winkel’s info for 13th,25th and 37th spins
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 31, 09:13 AM 2016
Hey Celticknits,
Could you play this session for me. Could not make it a winner...
1 15
2 35
3 33
4 0
5 6
6 34
7 35
8 18
9 25
10 23
11 3
12 23
13 16
14 30
15 29
16 31
17 13
18 31
19 20
20 10
21 4
22 7
23 21
24 22
25 6
26 32
27 29
28 28
29 7
30 32
31 25
32 11
33 4
34 21
35 10
36 23
37 2
38 21
39 31
40 16
41 30
42 23
43 31
44 25
45 4
46 15
47 8
48 4
49 26
50 7
-RayManZ
Here is the payout sheet as I would have played it.
Let me know if this helps you.
-Celtic
RAYMANZ 31MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 15
2 35
3 33
4 0
5 6
6 34
7 35 R
8 18
9 25
10 23 9/10
11 3
12 23 R
13 16
14 30
15 29
16 31
17 13
18 31 R
19 20
20 10 8 +3
21 4
22 7
23 21 19 1 19 -19 -19 --- Count is so high at this point I am anticipating 5 wins
24 22 19 2 38 -38 -57
25 6 R 19 3 57 108 51 -6
26 32 18 2 36 -36 -42
27 29 R 18 3 54 108 54 12
28 28 17 1 17 -17 -5
29 7 R 17 2 34 72 38 33
30 32 16 1 16 -16 17 --- Count is still good at 14 +4 so still looking for 2 more wins
31 25 R 16 2 32 72 40 57 --- Go for one more win and quit
32 11 15 1 15 -15 42
33 4 R 15 2 30 72 42 84 --- I would quit (My win/Stop is ($80-100)
34 21 14 1 14 -14 70
35 10 R 14 2 28 72 44 114
36 23 R 13 1 13 36 23 137
37 2 12 1 12 -12 125
38 21 12 2 24 -24 101
39 31 R 12 3 36 108 72 173
40 16 R 11 1 11 36 25 198
Celticknits
you'd like the corals game apart from it being rng
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 29, 09:40 AM 2016
I no longer post all my games because a lot of people seem to think that there is a firm set of rules and there isn't.
Celtic, I think that I speak in name of many here, when I say that I am very carefully following your analyzes and saving them for future use.
I find them very important for better understanding how to escape danger situation!
If you have time, please publish more of them, with your comments.
Thanks
These numbers are send to me to ask how I would play them. Hard session
22 5 33 29
28 2 29 25
30 19 16 25
9 14 3 13
20 31 18 26
27 22 33 24
15 4 2
32 18 24
30 36 11
25 27 29
NY
like Celts said nothing is writ in stone. But what you do need is experiance/knowledge of the type of game play you will come up against.
So its the 37 spin cycle the LOTT. Jas Das GUT my little joke, but winkel gave the best piece of info for repeats,the expected count at 13,25,37th spins. Work those with the average doc, after time the average for a non-hit stays stable, so if you know their avg to hit plus there max which again staberlizes,it will help in your decisions.
Look at the lads game today i had 3 bets won 12.25 as i can only start with .25p units, if at B+M it would be £1 unit so that 12.25 would be £49 for just 3 bets. Again 3 bets in corals the last one was DD got back what i laid, but if i had parley it would have won, but i was ready to leave.
Oh yeah 15 in 30. You wont need anymore than that.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 31, 11:56 AM 2016
Celticknits
you'd like the corals game apart from it being rng
-Notto
Oh yeah.
4 in a row and out the door with $82
LADS was not too shabby either but ran out of numbers. +38 in last 5 spins
-Celtic
Hi Den only done 1st 20 spins.
Have people forgot about countback, i just said about the 13th spin, look 13th has 12 non-hit and 1 repeat so its fast, look at 15th spin 14th non-hit to just 1 repeat, avg for spins 11-20 is usually 7 non-hit you've just had 5 on the trot, its screaming out, bet for a repeat.
It shows 8+3.
we bet the 17 i would not bet zero, it takes 5 spins, now i would bet all 21 as spin 25 is complete, gut would say the crossings will come now, win, bet the 20 at 3 units ,win, bet the 19 for 2 units, lose, chip up lose,again chip up, win.
Now bet all 23 for 3 units,win, bet the 22 for 2 units
Thanks Notto,
I understand pretty much of what you're saying (thanks to your's stubbornly pointing out main things! ;D).
As I've burned mine fingers few times in play before, now I am as hamster collecting informations for future analyze.
Somehow I like to hear good things repeated repeatedly!
(I am sure that this sentence is not grammatically correct)
Quote from: denzie on Mar 31, 12:49 PM 2016
These numbers are send to me to ask how I would play them. Hard session
22 5 33 29
28 2 29 25
30 19 16 25
9 14 3 13
20 31 18 26
27 22 33 24
15 4 2
32 18 24
30 36 11
25 27 29
-Denzie
With my current method of play had this been me it would have been a -$216 loss.
Not a big big deal in the grand scheme of things but how do we take care of this in the future.
Do you know if this was RNG?
How about after spin #21 we wait for a Repeat or 2 Non-Hits IN A ROW with the +3 repeat count.
This is what I would have done had spin #20 been a non-hit but it was a repeat.
The payout sheet would then look like this if we waited.
-Celtic
DENZIE 31MAR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 22 0 0 0 0
2 28 0 0 0 0
3 30 0 0 0 0
4 9 0 0 0 0
5 20 0 0 0 0
6 27 0 0 0 0
7 15 0 0 0 0
8 32 0 0 0 0
9 30 R 0 0 0 0
10 25 0 0 0 0 9/10
11 5 0 0 0 0
12 2 0 0 0 0
13 19 0 0 0 0
14 14 0 0 0 0
15 31 0 0 0 0
16 22 R 0 0 0 0
17 4 0 0 0 0
18 18 0 0 0 0
19 36 0 0 0 0
20 27 R 0 0 0 0 8 +3
21 33 0 0 0 0
22 29 0 0 0 0
23 16 19 1 19 -19 -19
24 3 19 2 38 -38 -57
25 18 R 19 3 57 108 51 -6
26 33 R 18 2 36 72 36 30
27 2 R 17 1 17 36 19 49
28 24 16 1 16 -16 33
29 11 16 2 32 -32 1
30 29 R 16 3 48 108 60 61 --- Consider quitting (I would have) - Count is still 14 +4
31 29 15 2 30 -30 31
32 25 R 15 3 45 108 63 94 --- DEFINITELY QUIT HERE
33 25 14 2 28 -28 66
34 13 14 3 42 -42 24
35 26 14 4 56 -56 -32
36 24 14 5 70 -70 -102
I see some are adding unhit number to there repeters as they come after spin #20 and some are playing only the numbers that hit in first 20 spins. Does anyone know what would be the best?
Denize: You must have 500 sessions by now and dont add numbers as they hit after spin #20 if im correct and only 1 bust right?
Celtic: You are more selective with your selection and dont always start at a certain spin but you add new numbers as they hit. What do you think is this a big thing in betting repeaters?
Quote from: Celticknits on Mar 31, 02:15 PM 2016
-Denzie
With my current method of play had this been me it would have been a -$216 loss.
Not a big big deal in the grand scheme of things but how do we take care of this in the future.
Do you know if this was RNG?
This was live online dealer on Unibet. I would have less dd . When I get to high in the progression and then almost recover I like to take some units off. In this case I would go back to 1 or max 2 units after spin 27.
On another note. ... waiting those 2 spins (21-22) isn't a bad idea though. Really not.
Quote from: 777vic777 on Mar 31, 03:29 PM 2016
I see some are adding unhit number to there repeters as they come after spin #20 and some are playing only the numbers that hit in first 20 spins. Does anyone know what would be the best?
Denize: You must have 500 sessions by now and dont add numbers as they hit after spin #20 if im correct and only 1 bust right?
Celtic: You are more selective with your selection and dont always start at a certain spin but you add new numbers as they hit. What do you think is this a big thing in betting repeaters?
-777
I bet all of the numbers up until the point I bet.
I DO NOT BET ANY NUMBERS THAT HAVE HIT 3 TIMES IN THE FIRST 20 SPINS AND THAT INCLUDES ZEROES.
Look at the payout sheet where I waited until spin #23 on Denzies numbers.
I only made a profit because I added in the unhits that came in spins #21 and 22.
Denzies numbers were right out of line with the normal averages but as some people seem to forget this is gambling and sh*t happens.
I have never seen a live session this bad but obviously it can happen.
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Mar 31, 03:52 PM 2016
This was live online dealer on Unibet. I would have less dd . When I get to high in the progression and then almost recover I like to take some units off. In this case I would go back to 1 or max 2 units after spin 27.
On another note. ... waiting those 2 spins (21-22) isn't a bad idea though. Really not.
-Denzie
I kow what you are saying about resetting the progression, and it is very important, but the only problem in those numbers you supplied was that the best high up until spin 27 was -17 and we were still at -39 on spin 27. Anyways even resetting to 1 would have resulted in a loss.
I just went over a dozen or so Jackpot Joy sheets and this would not have happened on them but knowing that this was with a live dealer I am going to wait until spin #22 or #23 depending on whether Spin #21 is a repeat or not if the count at that point is 8 +3 or worse.
This is the only way you you could have made a profit with those numbers you supplied that I can find.
Never seen anything this bad with a 9/10 and 8 +3 in the first 20 spins.
I just thought of something funny-----
What the hell are we going to do with a count of 9+4 and 3 repeats in the first 10 spins.
Never seen it but maybe it's the next thing :question:
Another roulette life lesson learned eh.
-Celtic
Thanks for the reply Celtic!
Could you please check these numbers, They are from today on airball unibet i began betting at spin#23 (23 hit)
just unlucky or did I do something wrong. (I dont play 0 if its not in the first 20)
20
16
1
10
26
18
28
2
6
35
33
29
26
35
23
35
17
5
31
4
9
30
23
21
27
15
9
24
21
0
23
3
14
8
19
35
33
3
8
2
3
19
23
29
29
7
14
36
1
9
30
14
24
36
4
30
32
24
24
15
Quote from: 777vic777 on Apr 01, 05:37 AM 2016
Thanks for the reply Celtic!
Could you please check these numbers, They are from today on airball unibet i began betting at spin#23 (23 hit)
just unlucky or did I do something wrong. (I dont play 0 if its not in the first 20)
-777
OK there are a couple of things here and keep in mind this is how I would have played it.
First thing I noticed was a triple hit in the first 20 spins.
To me that means reset to eliminate the first occurance of the triple.
That means I am reseting to set spin #11 as the new spin #1.
The count at spin #20 is not great but also acceptable at 7 +2 and only one repeat in the first 10 spins.
Spin #20 was a non-hit so, as I have said before, I will wait for EITHER two more non-hits in a row or a repeat.
Spin #21 was a repeat so I started betting.
After spin #25 the count is fantastic but we have just had 4 un-hit numbers come so we HAVE TO do a count back.
This is where I screwed up on Denzies numbers the other day. Call it a seniors moment, a brain fart or whatever I completely overlooked it.
I do not know how to explain the countback so that you will understand it easily. Hopefully Notto can explain it.
My way of looking at is that after spin #25 the count is so high that something has to give real soon and we HAVE TO add in those 4 unhit numbers to out bets.
So I bet all of the unhit numbers including single repeats.
This is the resulting payout sheet if done this way.
-Celtic
UNIBET 1APR16 (777VIC777)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 33
2 29
3 26
4 35
5 23
6 35 R
7 17
8 5
9 31
10 4
11 9
12 30
13 23 R
14 21
15 27
16 15
17 9 R
18 24
19 21 R
20 0
21 23 R
22 3 16 1 16 -16 -16
23 14 16 2 32 -32 -48
24 8 16 3 48 -48 -96
25 19 16 4 64 -64 -160 --- Reset Bet to include all unhits
26 35 R 20 5 100 180 80 -80
27 33 R 19 4 76 144 68 -12
28 3 R 18 3 54 108 54 42
29 8 R 17 2 34 72 38 80 ---- Wingoal reached (approx. $80-100) reached) so QUIT!!!!
30 2 16 1 16 -16 64
31 3 16 2 32 -32 32
32 19 R 16 3 48 108 60 92
33 23 R 15 2 30 72 42 134
34 29 R 14 1 14 36 22 156
35 29 13 1 13 -13 143
36 7 13 2 26 -26 117
37 14 R 13 3 39 108 69 186
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 01, 08:48 AM 2016
-777
...
I do not know how to explain the countback so that you will understand it easily. Hopefully Notto can explain it.
My way of looking at is that after spin #25 the count is so high that something has to give real soon and we HAVE TO add in those 4 unhit numbers to out bets.
So I bet all of the unhit numbers including single repeats.
This is the resulting payout sheet if done this way.
-Celtic
Interesting aproach. I have never seen this countback. Hope someone can explain it more or if you have some link to some other page about it?
So if you should use that on denzie's numbers that should work better or?
Two trackers KTF and GUT
Bravo Celtic! and thanks a lot for taking the time to explain and share.
Okay on the KTF sheet Denzie spins 1-10 shows 1 repeat so 9/10. Some agree 15 non-hit in spins 11-30 is fair,some wont.
So 9 plus the avg 15 non-hit in 30 spins 9+15=24.
In the perfect world we could get a non-hit every other spin,so if we achieve the 15 non-hit by spin 39/40 we will have seen the trot/count
I've put the countback in 24th non-hit spins 39/40.
Well you can see the 15th non-hit is well early on the trot/count marked by X. So the trot/count is fast at present time, non-hit are hitting, so the 1X's are growing, growing to repeat
Now the GUT paper tracker.
Do you remember Winkels 13,25 and 37th suggestion of what the trot might be. On KTF sheet is a W 13th spin, on GUT sheet it reads 26-9-2-2, shows trot has been fast to here.
The jackpot average doc shows the avg for non-hit in spins 11-20 is 7 non-hit, in this game you've had 5 on the trot, aren't the 1X's over due.
All this is on page 12.
i've marked the 14th non-hit as 15,but you see the trot count by countback.
Like Celtic said the 25th spin is of great interest, why, because at 25th you have the >1x's reading 4, or 21 non-hit have come.
Now Winkel gave info for 37th as possible read of 13/14-13/14-09/10, so if you've read your GUT you would know the only way the >1x's will get to 9/10 is by 1x's repeating.
you would have started betting for the 1x's to repeat but the trot/count stays fast, you get the repeat #18 on the 25th spin. Now you know what the >1x's need its the 1x's to repeat, so you need to include all 1x's, take a look, if you carried on betting the 16 non-hits to repeat,trouble 33and 29 are not yours.
At 30th spin itsstill high non-hits kept hitting. 14+4 is non-hits to fast they need to slow, so the 23,1x's are your bet.
How do you know the 23,1x's on the KTF sheet you would see only 23 boxes are marked,for some reason i circled of the 7, but they would be the #'s to bet.
As Celtic showed you would make the win target.
That GUT tracker is good,gives you the feel of the game, you will understand its all about the 0X's then 1x's and 1x's +>1x's :thumbsup:
Thanks nottophammer for the explanation of the countback. I need to read these explanations a couple of times before I understand it!
Quote from: 777vic777 on Apr 01, 12:13 PM 2016
Bravo Celtic! and thanks a lot for taking the time to explain and share.
-777
You are welcome.
-Celtic
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 01, 01:02 PM 2016
All this is on page 12.
i've marked the 14th non-hit as 15,but you see the trot count by countback.
Like Celtic said the 25th spin is of great interest, why, because at 25th you have the >1x's reading 4, or 21 non-hit have come.
Now Winkel gave info for 37th as possible read of 13/14-13/14-09/10, so if you've read your GUT you would know the only way the >1x's will get to 9/10 is by 1x's repeating.
you would have started betting for the 1x's to repeat but the trot/count stays fast, you get the repeat #18 on the 25th spin. Now you know what the >1x's need its the 1x's to repeat, so you need to include all 1x's, take a look, if you carried on betting the 16 non-hits to repeat,trouble 33and 29 are not yours.
At 30th spin itsstill high non-hits kept hitting. 14+4 is non-hits to fast they need to slow, so the 23,1x's are your bet.
How do you know the 23,1x's on the KTF sheet you would see only 23 boxes are marked,for some reason i circled of the 7, but they would be the #'s to bet.
As Celtic showed you would make the win target.
-Notto
Sorry to put you through that but I knew I could not explain this as well as you.
-Celtic
Well, the bankroll just got killed. Got 10 spins without a repeater between spins 30 and 39 on RNG.... :sad2:
I wonder If i would have got the same results on a live wheel....
RIP Bankroll.... At least, it was not too big. Should not have too much trouble getting it back. Will have to test and tweak more before starting again with real money.
Wish me luck... :o
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 04, 01:43 AM 2016
Well, the bankroll just got killed. Got 10 spins without a repeater between spins 30 and 39 on RNG.... :sad2:
I wonder If i would have got the same results on a live wheel....
RIP Bankroll.... At least, it was not too big. Should not have too much trouble getting it back. Will have to test and tweak more before starting again with real money.
Wish me luck... :o
Simon.
Can you give us the numbers?
-Celtic
Just got back from the local B&M and the bastards have removed the old large single Interblock airball wheel and are installing two small Bally mechanical wheels. Each one is connected to five termainals. Could not get the model number because I was escorted out of the area by security before I could get it. I plan on trying again tomorrow.
The casino manager made a strange comment to me that I found intriguing--- He told me "I only have myself to blame for the wheel change".
Could he be referring to the approx $13k profit that I took from the old machine since January 2016???
This is getting weird.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 04, 04:46 PM 2016
Just got back from the local B&M and the bastards have removed the old large single Interblock airball wheel and are installing two small Bally mechanical wheels. Each one is connected to five termainals. Could not get the model number because I was escorted out of the area by security before I could get it. I plan on trying again tomorrow.
The casino manager made a strange comment to me that I found intriguing--- He told me "I only have myself to blame for the wheel change".
Could he be referring to the approx $13k profit that I took from the old machine since January 2016???
This is getting weird.
-Celtic
13k between ktf and ktfs cousin on airball?
Terrific work
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 04, 04:48 PM 2016
13k between ktf and ktfs cousin on airball?
Terrific work
-RG
No.
Mostly from betting repeats.
I have only played KTF and Repeats with real money.
The only so called testing that I do is with Nottos Jackpot Joy numbers that he posts every day in the KTF thread and I run every single one he posts. Todays numbers were great but to win $97 you had better understand the countback.
As has been said time and again Practice Practice Practice.
Nottos numbers are airball.
I will say one thing if I have to play RNG that may possibly be the end of my roulette playing days.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 04, 05:07 PM 2016
-RG
No.
Mostly from betting repeats.
I have only played KTF and Repeats with real money.
The only so called testing that I do is with Nottos Jackpot Joy numbers that he posts every day in the KTF thread and I run every single one he posts. Todays numbers were great but to win $97 you had better understand the countback.
As has been said time and again Practice Practice Practice.
Nottos numbers are airball.
I will say one thing if I have to play RNG that may possibly be the end of my roulette playing days.
-Celtic
Great work Celticknits!
No I don't think your roulette days will be over. The RNG is a bit different but not so much different. I have mostly played repeaters on RNG and has so far only minor drawback. So don't worry!
Tuddilue
Todays #'s
jackpotjoy 5.4.16
1 28
2 7
3 28
4 9
5 32
6 7
7 25
8 29
9 4
10 28
11 19
12 3
13 31
14 29
15 7
16 13
17 24
18 0
19 10
20 20
21 4
22 18
23 1
24 28
25 24
26 34
27 20
28 18
29 20
30 23
31 22
32 31
33 35
34 30
35 1
36 11
37 10
38 11
39 31
40 36
41 7
42 19
43 35
44 6
45 21
46 20
47 19
48 7
49 36
50 12
51 16
52 22
53 13
54 2
55 10
56 3
57 8
58 34
59 30
60 25
61 3
62 13
63 9
64 35
65 9
66 17
67 2
68 5
69 23
70 7
71 4
72 28
73 5
74 18
75 16
76 17
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 04, 04:46 PM 2016
Just got back from the local B&M and the bastards have removed the old large single Interblock airball wheel and are installing two small Bally mechanical wheels. Each one is connected to five termainals. Could not get the model number because I was escorted out of the area by security before I could get it. I plan on trying again tomorrow.
The casino manager made a strange comment to me that I found intriguing--- He told me "I only have myself to blame for the wheel change".
Could he be referring to the approx $13k profit that I took from the old machine since January 2016???
This is getting weird.
-Celtic
Hello Celtic,
Congratulation on your winnings.
You did very well.
Regards and best wishes
Theres some good stuff in here
Im quickly learning this count
When to bet repeaters and when not to
The beauty is once you get the hang of it a losing session is easily recovered
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 04, 04:46 PM 2016
"I only have myself to blame for the wheel change".
Bravo Celtic, most encouraging words, music to my ears!
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 04, 04:29 AM 2016
Can you give us the numbers?
-Celtic
So, here are the numbers that killed my bankroll….
9
26
11
7
35
4
25
20
6
19
10 first spins without any repeats! Everything is looking good!
15
25 R
10
10 R
19 R
21
32
36
10 spins with 3 repeats only! Nice!! Will start after 1st repeat in 21-30
31
31
28
3
3 R - Start
24 +1
29 +2
5 +3
4 R +4 WON
22 +1 -- THIS IS WHERE ALL HELL WENT LOOSE….
Since I had only 2 repeats in spins 11-20 I told myself that there were more repeats that had to come but…. I was wrong…
33 +2
28 +3
17 +4
17 +5
33 +6
18 +7
25 +8
27 +9
24 +10 DEAD!!!
No repeats in 31-39 from first 18 one hit only….!!
Well, I guess I will really have to understand the trot…. :-P
Quote from: nextyear on Apr 05, 06:29 AM 2016
Bravo Celtic, most encouraging words, music to my ears!
I am wondering if it is still airball and what the time limit will be to place bets.
Sometimes I have situations where I have to place 23 bets.
The installation crew would not provide any information and that is when the casino manager showed up with security and escorted me away.
I am just afraid that they will have parameters set that make playing WTF impossible.
I'd take a picture of the setup but by the time I get from the front door of the casino to the roulette area there are already floor personnel hovering around me. I have already reduced my playing to 2-3 times per week but that has not altered their following me around when I go.
Like I said it is getting weird.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 05, 07:45 AM 2016
I am wondering if it is still airball and what the time limit will be to place bets.
Sometimes I have situations where I have to place 23 bets.
The installation crew would not provide any information and that is when the casino manager showed up with security and escorted me away.
I am just afraid that they will have parameters set that make playing WTF impossible.
I'd take a picture of the setup but by the time I get from the front door of the casino to the roulette area there are already floor personnel hovering around me. I have already reduced my playing to 2-3 times per week but that has not altered their following me around when I go.
Like I said it is getting weird.
-Celtic
(link:://i.imgur.com/XVpcedh.png)
Simon.
Just stay patient.
As someone said: "They have to spin the wheel!"
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 05, 07:36 AM 2016
So, here are the numbers that killed my bankroll….
9
26
11
7
35
4
25
20
6
19
10 first spins without any repeats! Everything is looking good!
15
25 R
10
10 R
19 R
21
32
36 Simon have you missed 2 numbers?
10 spins with 3 repeats only! Nice!! Will start after 1st repeat in 21-30
31
31 are these the missing 2#'s
28
3
3 R - Start
24 +1
29 +2
5 +3
4 R +4 WON
22 +1 -- THIS IS WHERE ALL HELL WENT LOOSE….
Since I had only 2 repeats in spins 11-20 I told myself that there were more repeats that had to come but…. I was wrong…
33 +2
28 +3
17 +4
17 +5
33 +6
18 +7
25 +8
27 +9
24 +10 DEAD!!!
No repeats in 31-39 from first 18 one hit only….!!
Well, I guess I will really have to understand the trot…. :-P
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 05, 08:01 AM 2016
Sorry about that....
Here are the good series....
9
26
11
7
35
4
25
20
6
19
10 first spins without any repeats! Everything is looking good!
15
25 R
10
10 R
23
10
19 R
21
32
36
10 spins with 3 repeats only! Nice!! Will start after 1st repeat in 21-30
31
31
28
3
3 R - Start
24 +1
29 +2
5 +3
4 R +4 WON
22 +1 -- THIS IS WHERE ALL HELL WENT LOOSE….
Since I had only 2 repeats in spins 11-20 I told myself that there were more repeats that had to come but…. I was wrong…
33 +2
28 +3
17 +4
17 +5
33 +6
18 +7
25 +8
27 +9
24 +10 DEAD!!!
Thanks Simon
So in the other KTF
spin11 win
spin31 win the reset was right
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 05, 07:36 AM 2016
So, here are the numbers that killed my bankroll….
9
26
11
7
35
4
25
20
6
19
10 first spins without any repeats! Everything is looking good!
15
25 R
10
10 R
19 R
21
32
36
10 spins with 3 repeats only! Nice!! Will start after 1st repeat in 21-30 --- That is only 8 spins
31
31 -------- This is your 20th spin and there are 4 repeats in spins 11-20 giving you a count of 6 +1
28
3
3 R - Start
24 +1
29 +2
5 +3
4 R +4 WON
22 +1 -- THIS IS WHERE ALL HELL WENT LOOSE….
Since I had only 2 repeats in spins 11-20 I told myself that there were more repeats that had to come but…. I was wrong…
You had 4 repeats in spins 11-20
33 +2
28 +3
17 +4
17 +5
33 +6
18 +7
25 +8
27 +9
24 +10 DEAD!!!
No repeats in 31-39 from first 18 one hit only….!!
You obviously did not do a countback or you would have had 3 repeats in spins 31-37
Well, I guess I will really have to understand the trot…. :-P
Yes you will and practice with Nottos, or any other live spin numbers.
-Simon
Please do not take my comments in red above as criticisms.
I have three questions.
1) Was this RNG?
2) Was this a Euro or American Wheel?
3) Were you covering the zeros?
-Notto
I would be interested to see a sheet on how you would have covered this one.
-Celtic
- Celtic
I am open to all criticism. I want to get better at this. It'a good thing I had made a lot of units. I didn't loose anything of my starting Bankroll. I am just back at the beginning since I lost almost all my winnings.
I think I will start again trying to learn the trot and everything else.... Notto sent me a private message explaining everything in details but.. still... I must be an idiot or something because I just dont get it. I will study all that again before I restart playing.
Thanks!!
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 05, 09:30 AM 2016
- Celtic
I am open to all criticism. I want to get better at this. It'a good thing I had made a lot of units. I didn't loose anything of my starting Bankroll. I am just back at the beginning since I lost almost all my winnings.
I think I will start again trying to learn the trot and everything else.... Notto sent me a private message explaining everything in details but.. still... I must be an idiot or something because I just dont get it. I will study all that again before I restart playing.
Thanks!!
Simon.
-Simon
Was this RNG?
I see you are in Canada too.
Where was this session played?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 05, 09:45 AM 2016
-Simon
Was this RNG?
I see you are in Canada too.
Where was this session played?
-Celtic
Yes it was RNG played Online on European roulette software by Betsoft.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 05, 09:46 AM 2016
Yes it was RNG played Online on European roulette software by Betsoft.
Simon.
What site do you use?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 05, 09:53 AM 2016
What site do you use?
-Celtic
I'm playing at a lot of places. Since I play with Bitcoins, it's easy for me to deposit, play, withdraw in the same hour or so. Where I play the most is Cloudbet. This is where I made almost all my winnings. But it is also the place where I lost.
I usually play live dealers. I played RNG because of the time allowed to place bets on live dealers.
I played on Betsoft softwares because after reading about it, the way I understand it, the RNG is on betsoft servers. So it is not possible for the casino site to alter the decision.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 05, 08:19 AM 2016
Sorry about that....
Here are the good series....
9
26
11
7
35
4
25
20
6
19
10 first spins without any repeats! Everything is looking good!
15
25 R
10
10 R
23
10
19 R
21
32
36
10 spins with 3 repeats only! Nice!! Will start after 1st repeat in 21-30
31
31
28
3
3 R - Start
24 +1
29 +2
5 +3
4 R +4 WON
22 +1 -- THIS IS WHERE ALL HELL WENT LOOSE….
Since I had only 2 repeats in spins 11-20 I told myself that there were more repeats that had to come but…. I was wrong…
33 +2
28 +3
17 +4
17 +5
33 +6
18 +7
25 +8
27 +9
24 +10 DEAD!!!
Hi Simon, sorry to hear that you busted...
The only thing you can do about it is learn new things..
I wonder do you know which the last 3 numbers are? Because my count is pointing to that it is 3 more repeaters left after your number 24. Do you have them?
-Tuddilue
Just got back from the B&M.
The new roulette setup they are installing at my B&M is by Bally and it is the Fusion Auto model.
There is one small wheel connected to five terminals and a big screen display.
Attached is a picture from Ballys site of it.
There are two of them being installed facing each other.
Is anybody familiar with this setup?
It looks like it is still airball.
-Celtic
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 05, 08:19 AM 2016
Sorry about that....
Here are the good series....
9
26
11
7
35
4
25
20
6
19
10 first spins without any repeats! Everything is looking good!
15
25 R
10
10 R
23
10 ---------------------------- This is also a repeat so count is still 6 +1 after spin 20
19 R
21
32
36
10 spins with 3 repeats only! Nice!! Will start after 1st repeat in 21-30
31
31
28
3
3 R - Start
24 +1
29 +2
5 +3
4 R +4 WON
22 +1 -- THIS IS WHERE ALL HELL WENT LOOSE….
Since I had only 2 repeats in spins 11-20 I told myself that there were more repeats that had to come but…. I was wrong…
------------------- You still have 4 repeats in spins 11-20 not 2
33 +2
28 +3
17 +4
17 +5
33 +6
18 +7
25 +8
27 +9
24 +10 DEAD!!!
For all those who play wtf..
Question : what was your highest spin count for the first repeater? ( after spin 20 ) . Pls mention live or rng
Currently I'm playing these scenario :
First 10 spins : 8/10 , 9/10 , 10/10
Second 10 spins : + 2 , +3 , +4 , +5
I'm going in on spin 24 if no virtual hit on spin 21-22-23
No losses yet ... :girl_to:
On RNG I have 2 losses where I hit on spin 33 and another on spin 35 :o
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 04:37 AM 2016
For all those who play wtf..
Question : what was your highest spin count for the first repeater? ( after spin 20 ) . Pls mention live or rng
Currently I'm playing these scenario :
First 10 spins : 8/10 , 9/10 , 10/10
Second 10 spins : + 2 , +3 , +4 , +5
I'm going in on spin 24 if no virtual hit on spin 21-22-23
No losses yet ... :girl_to:
On RNG I have 2 losses where I hit on spin 33 and another on spin 35 :o
For your question, I can check later when I'm home.
I do some similar on RNG but I check that I have around 10 repeaters left at number 25. Then I always win.
Which hits do you bet on? All or the first 15?
All from spin 1-20
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 04:37 AM 2016
For all those who play wtf..
Question : what was your highest spin count for the first repeater? ( after spin 20 ) . Pls mention live or rng
7 at B&M American Airball Wheel. Recovered with a countback at spin 25 and then a large group of repeats came.
Currently I'm playing these scenario :
First 10 spins : 8/10 , 9/10 , 10/10
Second 10 spins : + 2 , +3 , +4 , +5
Same here---Never seen a +5 yet
I'm going in on spin 24 if no virtual hit on spin 21-22-23
By hit you mean a repeat?
What do you do if there is a hit?
No losses yet ... :girl_to:
On RNG I have 2 losses where I hit on spin 33 and another on spin 35 :o
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 05:15 AM 2016
All from spin 1-20
-Denzie,
Glad to hear from you I was beginning to worry.
Question - Are you not adding in the unhits from spins 21 until you start betting to your unhits in spins 1-20?
-Celtic
All ok here mate. How about you? All good over there?
Nope, I don't add the unhits of spin 21-22-23 . Only all nrs that came in spin 1 to 20.
Also if I hit on spin 27 for the first time I stop and take the tiny loss. Cuz that would starting look like a rfh is forming.
Uhm maybe I didn't asked it properly : I meant after spin 20 , how many spins before you got the first hit ? ( repeater)
So for you it was 5 Celticknits?
On a hit in my tracking? Reset
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 07:33 AM 2016
All ok here mate. How about you? All good over there?
Nope, I don't add the unhits of spin 21-22-23 . Only all nrs that came in spin 1 to 20.
Also if I hit on spin 27 for the first time I stop and take the tiny loss. Cuz that would starting look like a rfh is forming.
Uhm maybe I didn't asked it properly : I meant after spin 20 , how many spins before you got the first hit ? ( repeater)
So for you it was 5 Celticknits?
No you asked the question properly.
It was 7.
At spin 25 I added in the additional 5 unhits that had come.
I had 6 repeaters in a row starting on spin 28 but I quit as soon as I was in profit.
Only made about $15 on that session.
That was a while ago and I haven't seen anything like it since.
Almost thought I was playing your RNG game :wink:
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 04:37 AM 2016
Question : what was your highest spin count for the first repeater? ( after spin 20 ) . Pls mention live or rng
denzie
For your question I have repeaters from 21 and forward...
But I also see that unhits are more in 21-30 than in 31-40. So for me I almost always start after 25 if the count is correct...
Just from the avg doc
spins 11-20 usually see 7 non-hit,so yes 7,+2
spins 21-30 usuallysee 5 non-hit,so yes the count would be 12, +2, so here its been 50/50,the expected 5 non-hit
spins 31-40 usuallysee 3 non-hit, making the trot at 40th +0, if the count was 12,+2 means repeats came
So 7+5+3 = 15 and as we distribute the 15 non-hit 11-20 (5) 21-30 (5) 31-40 (5)
usual average seen (7,+2) (12,+2) (15,+0)
(7) + (5) + (3)
more average more
non-hit both repeats
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 08, 02:41 PM 2016
denzie
For your question I have repeaters from 21 and forward...
But I also see that unhits are more in 21-30 than in 31-40. So for me I almost always start after 25 if the count is correct...
21 sure.... but was your first hit that kept you waiting to hit the longest ? 25? 26? 27? .....mine was 28 on a live wheel. ...so 21-27 were non hits.
Another question. ... sorry ^^
Did you ever see 20 unique in a row ? 8)
RNG Or Live.
Ktf or wtf...(same sheets)
As In first 20 spins.....
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 05:08 PM 2016
21 sure.... but was your first hit that kept you waiting to hit the longest ? 25? 26? 27? .....mine was 28 on a live wheel. ...so 21-27 were non hits.
Ok i understand it was 27 so 21-26 was unhit..
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 05:57 PM 2016
Another question. ... sorry ^^
Did you ever see 20 unique in a row ? 8)
RNG Or Live.
Ktf or wtf...(same sheets)
As In first 20 spins.....
No problem, just ask i will also have many questions in the future :wink:
Yes ones on RNG. So I had 10+5 after #20. I was really surprised O0
But as I see it that must be speciell.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 08, 05:57 PM 2016
Another question. ... sorry ^^
Did you ever see 20 unique in a row ? 8)
RNG Or Live.
Ktf or wtf...(same sheets)
As In first 20 spins.....
Hello. Most I saw was 19 uniques in a row (once) on airball, 18 once and 17 a few times.
I also have a question for anyone playing this and keeping their numbers, if you wouldn't mind checking something out: wait for 15 spins, and play all these numbers (even the repeats, you'll have between 11-15 numbers) untill you are in positive money wise (even just +1), progression +1/-1, max bet of 5 per number, and you add the new unhit numbers as they come and play the new winning repeats if you are not in plus (as soon as you have a positive balance, stop). From my limited testing (28 sessions) I had only one loss (-220), For a net total of +493... So I just want to know if the losses should be more frequent, or if it would be a good way to play. Thanks a bunch for those who test, and post the results if possible. I'll still play that way for now. For the curious, the loss happened when I had 3 repeats in spins 11-15 (only time it happened) after a 10/10 in first 10 spins, spins 16 to 23 were all uniques (live dealer table).
Quote from: Noreilles on Apr 09, 11:22 AM 2016
Hello. Most I saw was 19 uniques in a row (once) on airball, 18 once and 17 a few times.
I also have a question for anyone playing this and keeping their numbers, if you wouldn't mind checking something out: wait for 15 spins, and play all these numbers (even the repeats, you'll have between 11-15 numbers) untill you are in positive money wise (even just +1), progression +1/-1, max bet of 5 per number, and you add the new unhit numbers as they come and play the new winning repeats if you are not in plus (as soon as you have a positive balance, stop). From my limited testing (28 sessions) I had only one loss (-220), For a net total of +493... So I just want to know if the losses should be more frequent, or if it would be a good way to play. Thanks a bunch for those who test, and post the results if possible. I'll still play that way for now. For the curious, the loss happened when I had 3 repeats in spins 11-15 (only time it happened) after a 10/10 in first 10 spins, spins 16 to 23 were all uniques (live dealer table).
Similar airball
The longest I have had is only 5 from spin #21
but the what is the longest losingstreak people have had from spin 21-40? I had 9 (Airball)
Never had 20 unique in the first 20, Only 19 like the rest.
I would like to have some advise. Why dont you start betting on spin #21 dont we get a hit within the 3 first spins in 95% of the times?
(I only have 82 sessions to look back at - Airball and Live dealer)
I have been to progression 11 once but managed to recover to a small loss 45 units. after adding 5 numbers like Celtic thought me. was down around 1000 units. was that foolish, Did I get lucky? apart from that I have been down around 500 units 2-3 times but recovered or took a small loss. What does the experts say? stop at progression 7 or 8 as a rule and win it back on 5 other sessions? how often do you come to progression 7?
After 82 sessions I cant complain looking at the win rate but lately the progressions are coming higher than the comfort zone.
and as discipline is not my strongest side it isnt always easy to know when to quit.
Do you play only the spins from 21-40? or to max 60 as Nottos sheet?
Notto
I see that 15 repeaters are the average from spin 11 to 40. But by playing WTF is that correct since R´s after spin 21 isnt always a R for the first 20 that we bet on WTF. looking at my sheets I would guess 11 or 12. then again I only have 82 sessions.
Thank you all for contributing to this knowledge much aprreciated.
Im learning quickly that for some reason airball has longer unique streaks....
Good for KTF
@ Noreilles. .. it isn't a winner on my sheets. :(
@777 longest losing streak after spin 20 was 8. So spin 28 was my first repeater.
On rng spin 33 and another session at 35. So I stopped on rng :o
I've been out my comfort zone bit to much too...so I start betting on spin 24 (if no virtual hit on 21-22-23). Didn't lost a session playing this way. Down side is the tracking.
About your -1000... I wouldn't do that. -400 is my stop loss. If you lose it then go get it back in next sessions.
Also if I hit on my fourth bet only... (#27) then I stop the session. It's only tiny loss.
Quote from: 777 on Apr 11, 06:55 AM 2016
The longest I have had is only 5 from spin #21
but the what is the longest losingstreak people have had from spin 21-40? I had 9 (Airball)
Never had 20 unique in the first 20, Only 19 like the rest.
I would like to have some advise. Why dont you start betting on spin #21
--- Because the count is not good in spins 11-20 and you have to consider the first 10 spins also
dont we get a hit within the 3 first spins in 95% of the times?
--- A lot of the time this is correct but it is the other 5% that can give you headaches
(I only have 82 sessions to look back at - Airball and Live dealer)
I have been to progression 11 once but managed to recover to a small loss 45 units. after adding 5 numbers like Celtic thought me.
--- I take it you are talking about the countback that Notto just explained in some detail
was down around 1000 units. was that foolish, Did I get lucky?
--- Need more details. Did you lose the 1000u or recover
Why don't you post the numbers for that session and we can look at them?
I am currently using a BR for WTF of $800 and this was based on over 100 live games that I have played at the B&M.
I have not seen a drawdown over $800.
apart from that I have been down around 500 units 2-3 times but recovered or took a small loss.
--- 500 drawdowns are not common but do and will happen
What does the experts say? stop at progression 7 or 8 as a rule and win it back on 5 other sessions? how often do you come to progression 7?
--- Stopping the progression at any level is a choice that you have to make. I myself do not stop if the count is favourable. Others will quit with as small a loss as possible.
After 82 sessions I cant complain looking at the win rate but lately the progressions are coming higher than the comfort zone.
and as discipline is not my strongest side it isnt always easy to know when to quit.
Do you play only the spins from 21-40? or to max 60 as Nottos sheet?
--- You have to take spins 1-10 into consideration also. I only play within the 37/38 spin cycle.
All decisions I make playing WTF are based on the count and past experience. Notto has posted many live spin numbers and you have to practice.
Notto
I see that 15 repeaters are the average from spin 11 to 40. But by playing WTF is that correct since R´s after spin 21 isnt always a R for the first 20 that we bet on WTF. looking at my sheets I would guess 11 or 12. then again I only have 82 sessions.
Thank you all for contributing to this knowledge much aprreciated.
See answers in red above
-Celtic
About those 20 unique. ..
Just was thinking start on spin 16 for 4 steps. On a loss were down -150. (On rng)
This I would recover in 2 wtf sessions (live or airball)
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Thank you for the April 10 and 11 numbers.
I was afraid you would not be posting them anymore
-Celtic
Watching the trot/count won £45.00
Can you WTF
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 11, 06:35 PM 2016
Watching the trot/count won £45.00
Can you WTF
I CANT WTF
i dont understand the count
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
did someone here say that they had 19 unique numbers in a row, no repeat?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 11, 08:03 PM 2016
did someone here say that they had 19 unique numbers in a row, no repeat?
Yes, it happened once (on airball), and another time I also got 18 live wheel (both times starting at 1, no previous repeats).
Quote from: Noreilles on Apr 11, 08:26 PM 2016
Yes, it happened once (on airball), and another time I also got 18 live wheel (both times starting at 1, no previous repeats).
ok thanks for the info
i am having my nightly Zumma study session and I am finding that if you are patient and wait for 10 consecutive spins of no repeat at all then bet those 10, the win typically comes fast
but knowing this info saves me time as i know the loss is right around the corner with 18 or 19 uniques in a row
For those who playing wtf....
Check your sheets pls. Going in on spin 24...did you got a bust this way?
I did some testing on rng yesterday to see if I could make it profit there. Coz it's a loooooot faster . So I've done 100 sessions again. I busted 2 . So 98 winning sessions.
Airball and Live dealer I've got 70 sessions all together. 70 wins. Of course here it takes bit to long to start. But better to wait and win , than to rush and lose.
About the count....it doesn't really matter a lot playing this way. First 10 spins I go to max 2 repeaters. Second 10 spins I go to max 4 repeaters. I bet all nrs in from spin 1-20. Start at betting after spin 23.
:thumbsup:
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25
31
15
30
12
13
17
34
15
8
17
24
1
7
34
33
3
9
5
17
29
31
30
10
3
15
26
12
6
4
34
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Quote from: denzie on Apr 12, 03:58 AM 2016
For those who playing wtf....
Check your sheets pls. Going in on spin 24...did you got a bust this way?
I did some testing on rng yesterday to see if I could make it profit there. Coz it's a loooooot faster . So I've done 100 sessions again. I busted 2 . So 98 winning sessions.
Airball and Live dealer I've got 70 sessions all together. 70 wins. Of course here it takes bit to long to start. But better to wait and win , than to rush and lose.
About the count....it doesn't really matter a lot playing this way. First 10 spins I go to max 2 repeaters. Second 10 spins I go to max 4 repeaters. I bet all nrs in from spin 1-20. Start at betting after spin 23.
:thumbsup:
Hello Denzie,
Thanks for your post.
You bet all numbers from spin 1-20.
That means you don't add any more new numbers after spin 20 as mentioned in your earlier post?
Do you still wait for 3 new numbers to come in on spin 21,22 and 23 before you start betting?
Do you play beyond spin 37 for single zero or spin 38 for double zero?
Regards and best wishes.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 12, 03:58 AM 2016
For those who playing wtf....
Check your sheets pls. Going in on spin 24...did you got a bust this way?
I did some testing on rng yesterday to see if I could make it profit there. Coz it's a loooooot faster . So I've done 100 sessions again. I busted 2 . So 98 winning sessions.
Airball and Live dealer I've got 70 sessions all together. 70 wins. Of course here it takes bit to long to start. But better to wait and win , than to rush and lose.
About the count....it doesn't really matter a lot playing this way. First 10 spins I go to max 2 repeaters. Second 10 spins I go to max 4 repeaters. I bet all nrs in from spin 1-20. Start at betting after spin 23.
:thumbsup:
-Denzie
How would that have worked with Nottos 31 number challenge a couple of posts back.
-Celtic
Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.
Guess it was just luck.
Here is the session I talked about Celtic:
20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27
26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1
15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36
I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:
3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0
7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1
23
14
2
31
28
16
12
29
7
23
16
22
21
19
2
27
10
29
14
9
6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0
Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -
With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...
Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 12, 03:58 AM 2016
....
About the count....it doesn't really matter a lot playing this way. First 10 spins I go to max 2 repeaters. Second 10 spins I go to max 4 repeaters. I bet all nrs in from spin 1-20. Start at betting after spin 23.
:thumbsup:
I play something similair but I always use the count. Because I play with the average in mind. So I play with these numbers:
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 08, 04:19 PM 2016
So 7+5+3 = 15 and as we distribute the 15 non-hit 11-20 (5) 21-30 (5) 31-40 (5)
usual average seen (7,+2) (12,+2) (15,+0)
(7) + (5) + (3)
more average more
non-hit both repeats
So I count the unhit upward and the repeaters downward.
So the important is the repeaters so I start with 15 repeaters at spin 11 and every time a repeater hit I remove that from 15. So 15,14,13...
So when I arrive at spin 25 I want to have the count of repeaters above 10. In that case I know that I have 10 repeaters and 5 unhits left until spin 40. So in nottos average document you can see that 5 is average between 21-30 and if you have them above you then you know you will hit a lot of repeaters.
So in your case denzie, maybe use some similar count when you are around 23, then you know how many repeaters are left until spin 40.
Some questions for you
* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15?
* What is your win goal? My is 1-3 repeaters. I have also played all spins from 25-40 and with the count of 10+ then you can get a lot of repeaters hit :twisted:
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 12, 06:37 AM 2016
* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15
Throw this in here
Going back 25 spins and betting the first 15 has a nice hit rate
Log 15 spins. Sit out 10 spins. Then bet those 15
Sorcery
Quote from: 777 on Apr 12, 06:22 AM 2016
Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.
Guess it was just luck.
Here is the session I talked about Celtic:
20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27
26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1
15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36
I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:
3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0
7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1
23
14
2
31
28
16
12
29
7
23
16
22
21
19
2
27
10
29
14
9
6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0
Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -
With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...
Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.
I run your numbers and if I play like I use to I would have hit 3 repeaters. There exist a lot of repeaters left but I stopped after 3 hits.
At spin 25 my count was 12. So 12 repeaters left and in reality it was 10...
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 12, 06:37 AM 2016
I play something similair but I always use the count. Because I play with the average in mind. So I play with these numbers:
So I count the unhit upward and the repeaters downward.
So the important is the repeaters so I start with 15 repeaters at spin 11 and every time a repeater hit I remove that from 15. So 15,14,13...
So when I arrive at spin 25 I want to have the count of repeaters above 10. In that case I know that I have 10 repeaters and 5 unhits left until spin 40. So in nottos average document you can see that 5 is average between 21-30 and if you have them above you then you know you will hit a lot of repeaters.
So in your case denzie, maybe use some similar count when you are around 23, then you know how many repeaters are left until spin 40.
Some questions for you
* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15?
* What is your win goal? My is 1-3 repeaters. I have also played all spins from 25-40 and with the count of 10+ then you can get a lot of repeaters hit :twisted:
Hello Tuddilue,
Thanks for your post, it's interesting.
Just by coincidence, I play something similar to yours.
At spin 25, if count for repeater is 5 and below, I play repeater and stop at a target of 30 units.
For mm, I only consider the losses. For every 3 losses accumulated, I increase bet by 1 unit.
I do not reduce the bet on a win, I just maintain the the bet .
I only stop at spin 40 or when target achieved before spin 40.
Please advise.
Regards and best wishes.
Quote from: 777 on Apr 12, 06:22 AM 2016
Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.
Guess it was just luck.
Here is the session I talked about Celtic:
20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27
26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1
15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36
!!! This one I wouldn't play !!!
I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:
3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0
7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1
23
14
2
31----> start and we hit
28----> another hit
16
12
29
7-------> another hit (still in profit, back to 1u)
23
16
22-----> another hit (I would stop here)
21
19-----> another but already stopped
2
27
10
29
14
9
6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0
!!! This was a good session for my play !!!
Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -
With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...
Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.
About the time for tracking....yep it takes long. I do track on a rolling basis though. But I'm trying on rng for the moment with positive results. And there you find your start very fast. Also the count isn't that important with my way of play. :thumbsup:
Quote from: sniper on Apr 12, 05:19 AM 2016
Hello Denzie,
Thanks for your post.
You bet all numbers from spin 1-20.
That means you don't add any more new numbers after spin 20 as mentioned in your earlier post?
correct
Do you still wait for 3 new numbers to come in on spin 21,22 and 23 before you start betting?
yep
Do you play beyond spin 37 for single zero or spin 38 for double zero?
Never
Regards and best wishes.
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 12, 05:52 AM 2016
-Denzie
How would that have worked with Nottos 31 number challenge a couple of posts back.
-Celtic
Which one ? Post number. ....?
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 12, 06:37 AM 2016
Some questions for you
* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15?
yes, I started like this in the beginning but wasn't to satisfied with it.
* What is your win goal? My is 1-3 repeaters.
Around 2-3-4 ..... all up to the count (I still watch that ;) Just the for my start it isn't that important)
At 777.... I've checked your numbers of first session. ... was a bust for me too.(I would start 3 spins later as I track on a rolling) It looks like I had the same on rng....good to know. But it's a rare event though.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 12, 09:57 AM 2016
Which one ? Post number. ....?
-Denzie
That was on posting #246.
I have attached it here so you don't have to jump back to it.
-Celtic
I should get more numbers. ... as 0 was #21
So I hit for the first time on my sixth bet. Stress would come now.... 8)
RG
Could you post 10 random numbers could have a repeat if you want.
I want to use your random numbers on jackpot247 tomorrow 13/4/16 at the same time as KTF plays,we'll be able to see a random set of say 27/28 against the KTF numbers,that wont be random?
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 12, 11:25 AM 2016
RG
Could you post 10 random numbers could have a repeat if you want.
I want to use your random numbers on jackpot247 tomorrow 13/4/16 at the same time as KTF plays,we'll be able to see a random set of say 27/28 against the KTF numbers,that wont be random?
10 random #s you want me to choose? Please explain so i do the right thing
Quote from: denzie on Apr 12, 10:47 AM 2016
I should get more numbers. ... as 0 was #21
So I hit for the first time on my sixth bet. Stress would come now.... 8)
Look at the count after spin 15.
In each group of 10 we consider 5 unhits and 5 repeats correct.
So we still have 3 repeats and 2 unhits due in the next 5 spins if everything goes according to plan or to say it another way there are more repeats due than unhits in the next 5 spins. So start betting repeats.
After spin 20 we have a count of 7+2 not great but not bad either yet.
I would have reset and bet all of the unhits in spins 1-20, --- why --- because we have another 4 unhit numbers in spins 16-20.
As it turns out I did not need the reset and would have made more if I had not.
Just my take on it.
Spin # Bet P Stake Win Net Total
16 2 12 1 12 -12 -12 --- Bet is 12 because I always cover the 0
17 29 R 12 2 24 72 48 36
18 19 11 1 11 -11 25
19 20 11 2 22 -22 3
20 11 11 3 33 -33 -30
21 36 R 16 4 64 144 80 50 --- At a new High so Reset Progression
22 35 R 15 1 15 36 21 71 --- Consider quit but only risking 14u to make 22u so 1 more bet and quit
23 0 R 14 1 14 36 22 93 --- WinStop reached
Thanks for the replies, ideas and for sharing.
Denzie:
Ok so the session would have survived your way of playing. Good I though it was a session nothing could have survived.
I managed to play my bankroll up 60 times.... wanted to play it up to 500 times meaning only double it up 3 more times. then this hit me and not long after got another on on airball. Guess I got blind after such a success...
You would have stopped after your 3rd hit(spin#29) because of 18 units profit. with a win goal of 80-100 units and a count still good why wouldnt you continue? Im just asking this question to understand how you are thinking.
What is the name of the RNG game you are playing (if you are playing on uni)
Tuddi
thank you for sharing your method
how many sessions do you have and what is the success rate?
regarding the sheet you uploaded there was some mistakes from the numbers I posted but all good I understood how you would have played it.
Tuddi and Denzie stop much lower than what I usually do. if my win goal is 80 I would stop at anything between 60-80 if its in the beginning. If its been a bumpy ride I can take a small loss or a small profit but I wouldnt have take the profit this early when the count is good. But maybe it is like Denzie is saying. the count isnt that important when you have started.
I have a lot of easy sessions when the count it average.
Quote from: sniper on Apr 12, 08:35 AM 2016
Hello Tuddilue,
Thanks for your post, it's interesting.
Just by coincidence, I play something similar to yours.
At spin 25, if count for repeater is 5 and below, I play repeater and stop at a target of 30 units.
For mm, I only consider the losses. For every 3 losses accumulated, I increase bet by 1 unit.
I do not reduce the bet on a win, I just maintain the the bet .
I only stop at spin 40 or when target achieved before spin 40.
Please advise.
Regards and best wishes.
Hi sniper!
Funny that we have thought about the same thing :smile:
Interesting mm. I have tested flatbet and +1/-1. For flatbet it is hard to recover. But +1/-1 has always worked for me when using the count for over 10. The longest progressions I have needed so far is 4 levels long.
But interesting approach you have so 3 looses in row you add 1 unit and on a loss you stay on that level. I will have to test that thanks!
Quote from: 777 on Apr 12, 01:11 PM 2016
Thanks for the replies, ideas and for sharing.
Tuddi
thank you for sharing your method
how many sessions do you have and what is the success rate?
regarding the sheet you uploaded there was some mistakes from the numbers I posted but all good I understood how you would have played it.
Tuddi and Denzie stop much lower than what I usually do. if my win goal is 80 I would stop at anything between 60-80 if its in the beginning. If its been a bumpy ride I can take a small loss or a small profit but I wouldnt have take the profit this early when the count is good. But maybe it is like Denzie is saying. the count isnt that important when you have started.
I have a lot of easy sessions when the count it average.
I have to say thank you as well always interesting when we start to discuss things. WTF you can play in different ways, that makes it so fun :twisted:
Before I played it live I tested it on my 70 sessions that I have in sheets. Every time the count is over 10 on spin 25 I have won. So never busted a bankroll when waiting for the count to be in favor. But as always in roulette that time will come O0
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 12, 11:28 AM 2016
10 random #s you want me to choose? Please explain so i do the right thing
any 10 numbers,anywhere on the board,the single zero if you want
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 12, 01:56 PM 2016
any 10 numbers,anywhere on the board,the single zero if you want
3, 7, 11, 13, 18, 22, 23, 27, 31, 35
00 wheel
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 12, 01:28 PM 2016
Hi sniper!
Funny that we have thought about the same thing :smile:
Interesting mm. I have tested flatbet and +1/-1. For flatbet it is hard to recover. But +1/-1 has always worked for me when using the count for over 10. The longest progressions I have needed so far is 4 levels long.
But interesting approach you have so 3 looses in row you add 1 unit and on a loss you stay on that level. I will have to test that thanks!
How do you get a count over 10? How many repeaters is that from spin 1 till 25?
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 12, 02:59 PM 2016
How do you get a count over 10? How many repeaters is that from spin 1 till 25?
I count from 11-25 and at spin 25 only 5 repeaters.
You can see an example on reply 258 there you have a sheet from me. At spin 25 I have a count of 12 and that is only 3 repeaters in 11-25. Hope you understand?
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 12, 03:06 PM 2016
I count from 11-25 and at spin 25 only 5 repeaters.
You can see an example on reply 258 there you have a sheet from me. At spin 25 I have a count of 12 and that is only 3 repeaters in 11-25. Hope you understand?
I figure you start with 15 in spin 11 and just substract the repeats?
Notto starts with zero. If you got 3 repeats in spin 11 till 20 you got a count of +2
If there are 4 repeats from spin 21 till 30 you got a count of +4
Quote from: 777 on Apr 12, 06:22 AM 2016
Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.
Guess it was just luck.
Here is the session I talked about Celtic:
20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27
26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1
15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36
I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:
3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0
7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1
23
14
2
31
28
16
12
29
7
23
16
22
21
19
2
27
10
29
14
9
6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0
Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -
With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...
Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.
-777
Your first session was a nightmare and I would have lost playing WTF.
Was it live dealer or RNG.
Your second session should not have lost following the count and betting accordingly.
You do realize that most people have formulated their own way of playing the repeats and a lot of the time it goes against what they should be doing if they are following the count.
A lot of the time they do not have a choice if they are playing RNG.
Both of these games would have won had you played KTF but that is a different animal and you do not do anything but to start betting at spin 11 and getting out when in $50 profit.
Here is a payout sheet for your second game if you played played WTF according to the count.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 3
2 33
3 15
4 19
5 28
6 18
7 26
8 31
9 11
10 0
11 7
12 30
13 1
14 5
15 13 --- 15 Unhits in a row ---remarkable Start Betting
16 11 R 15 1 15 36 21 21
17 22 14 1 14 -14 7
18 20 14 2 28 -28 -21
19 5 R 14 3 42 108 66 45
20 1 R 13 2 26 72 46 91 --- WinStop reached (80-100)
21 23 12 2 24 -24 67
22 14 12 2 24 -24 43
23 2 12 3 36 -36 7
24 31 R 12 4 48 144 96 103
25 28 R 11 3 33 108 75 178
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 12, 03:06 PM 2016
I count from 11-25 and at spin 25 only 5 repeaters.
You can see an example on reply 258 there you have a sheet from me.
On that sheet you have 8+3 on spin 11-20 (not 8 +2) :o
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 12, 03:13 PM 2016
I figure you start with 15 in spin 11 and just substract the repeats?
Notto starts with zero. If you got 3 repeats in spin 11 till 20 you got a count of +2
yep
If there are 4 repeats from spin 21 till 30 you got a count of +4
what ?
@ Celticknits. ... your totally right. Didn't even saw the 15 in a row. Was to busy retracking his nrs to get my 3 non hits on 21-22-23...
I would done that as well. Good job
If you got 3 repeats in spin 11 till 20 you got a count of +2
If there are 4 repeats from spin 21 till 30 you got a count of +4
My mistake. I meant +3
We got a +2 and a +1 so that makes +3
Okay RG i've marked of your 10#'s on the sheet as you can see, also tomorrows Jackpot 13.4.16.
When i have 27 non-hit left on tomorrows #'s , we'll see how your random #'s do against the the KTF #'s.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 12, 03:16 PM 2016
On that sheet you have 8+3 on spin 11-20 (not 8 +2) :o
Yes sorry I wrote faulty. I was in a hurry :wink:
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 12, 03:22 PM 2016
If you got 3 repeats in spin 11 till 20 you got a count of +2
If there are 4 repeats from spin 21 till 30 you got a count of +4
My mistake. I meant +3
We got a +2 and a +1 so that makes +3
Yes that is correct.
I just count backwards because I want to know how many repeaters are left.
For me it is easier to see 12 than +3 but it is the same thing...
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 12, 03:25 PM 2016
Okay RG i've marked of your 10#'s on the sheet as you can see, also tomorrows Jackpot 13.4.16.
When i have 27 non-hit left on tomorrows #'s , we'll see how your random #'s do against the the KTF #'s.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: 777 on Apr 12, 01:11 PM 2016
Thanks for the replies, ideas and for sharing.
Denzie:
You would have stopped after your 3rd hit(spin#29) because of 18 units profit. with a win goal of 80-100 units and a count still good why wouldnt you continue? Im just asking this question to understand how you are thinking.
What is the name of the RNG game you are playing ?
I go for 3 or 4 hits max.
All NetEnt rng for me...can click without betting and they have the fast spins.
One more thing. ...I use 3 br . Never got 3 busts. And if you would have a bust just relax and stay confident. It can happen. Don't start to doubt your decision.
On a bad count we would say...aaah damn it's coz the count.
On a good count we would think :o
And we would try a new way.
So relax coz it wins more then it loses... :thumbsup:
Ooh and that devilish house edge...I'm not really worried about it. The weak human mind and self control in this game is much more dangerous in my opinion.
Quote from: sniper on Apr 12, 08:35 AM 2016
..
For mm, I only consider the losses. For every 3 losses accumulated, I increase bet by 1 unit.
I do not reduce the bet on a win, I just maintain the the bet .
I only stop at spin 40 or when target achieved before spin 40.
Please advise.
Regards and best wishes.
Hi, I have started to use another progression. I do like this:
Start after spin 25 when count is good.
Bet the first 18 hits.
After 2 losses increase with 1 unit. Stay betting on this level.
When winning go back to 1 unit when in plus or even.
Win goal 18, 36 or 54.
This works really well so far. What do you think?
Quote from: denzie on Apr 13, 03:56 AM 2016
One more thing. ...I use 3 br . Never got 3 busts. And if you would have a bust just relax and stay confident. It can happen. Don't start to doubt your decision.
On a bad count we would say...aaah damn it's coz the count.
On a good count we would think :o
And we would try a new way.
So relax coz it wins more then it loses... :thumbsup:
Ooh and that devilish house edge...I'm not really worried about it. The weak human mind and self control in this game is much more dangerous in my opinion.
The same for me I also uses 3 bankrolls. You bust sometimes but it is really rare. With my new count and progression I have not busted yet. But you never know when it comes :girl_to:
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 13, 04:49 AM 2016
Hi, I have started to use another progression. I do like this:
Start after spin 25 when count is good.
Bet the first 18 hits.
After 2 losses increase with 1 unit. Stay betting on this level.
When winning go back to 1 unit when in plus or even.
Win goal 18, 36 or 54.
This works really well so far. What do you think?
Hello Tuddilue,
I like your progression. It's better than the one I am using now.
Your progression prevent you from going too deep when the bad and unavoidable happen.
Betting just the first 18 numbers is a wise move.
I believe you are heading toward a better direction.
I will test further your method of play and will post more good news in the near term.
Regards and best wishes.
Quote from: sniper on Apr 13, 05:24 AM 2016
Hello Tuddilue,
I like your progression. It's better than the one I am using now.
Your progression prevent you from going too deep when the bad and unavoidable happen.
Betting just the first 18 numbers is a wise move.
I believe you are heading toward a better direction.
I will test further your method of play and will post more good news in the near term.
Regards and best wishes.
Good!
It will be really interesting to see how it goes for you. I will also of course report back how this goes!
Regards and best wishes!
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 13, 04:49 AM 2016
Hi, I have started to use another progression. I do like this:
Start after spin 25 when count is good.
Bet the first 18 hits.
After 2 losses increase with 1 unit. Stay betting on this level.
When winning go back to 1 unit when in plus or even.
Win goal 18, 36 or 54.
This works really well so far. What do you think?
Small progression makes a small bankroll so to start with I will use 144 units (4x36)...
forgot some like the numbers
jackpot247 13.4.16
1 11
2 9
3 29
4 28
5 5
6 17
7 12
8 7
9 32
10 20
11 20
12 10
13 22
14 9
15 17
16 4
17 0
18 21
19 9
20 13
21 4
22 22
23 36
24 4
25 18
26 7
27 14
28 34
29 18
30 0
31 6
32 9
33 18
34 33
35 30
36 21
37 24
38 11
39 23
40 36
41 31
42 17
43 21
44 14
45 32
46 2
47 29
48 33
49 26
50 25
51 4
52 8
53 17
54 0
55 1
56 29
57 5
58 12
59 35
60 15
61 2
62 7
63 27
64 22
65 19
66 9
67 5
68 4
69 30
70 4
71 8
72 2
73 35
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 13, 07:25 AM 2016
forgot some like the numbers
jackpot247 13.4.16
1 11
2 9
3 29
4 28
5 5
6 17
7 12
8 7
9 32
10 20
11 20
12 10
13 22
14 9
15 17
16 4
17 0
18 21
19 9
20 13
21 4
22 22
23 36
24 4
25 18
26 7
27 14
28 34
29 18
30 0
31 6
32 9
33 18
34 33
35 30
36 21
37 24
38 11
39 23
40 36
41 31
42 17
43 21
44 14
45 32
46 2
47 29
48 33
49 26
50 25
51 4
52 8
53 17
54 0
55 1
56 29
57 5
58 12
59 35
60 15
61 2
62 7
63 27
64 22
65 19
66 9
67 5
68 4
69 30
70 4
71 8
72 2
73 35
You have a lot of lurkers that would be dissapointed if you stopped.
For anyone interested below is a payout sheet for some numbers from an experiment that RG was doing with Notto over on the KTF thread.
I think RG initially said that the numbers were for a 00 wheel but the outcome would still have been the same just a slightly smaller profit because I would cover the 0 and 00.
Remember this represents play using strictly the count to help in any decision making.
BR $800 and profit goal of $80 - $100
-Celtic
RG's RANDOM #S FOR NOTTO 13Apr16
WTF REPEATS USING THE COUNT
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 3
2 7
3 11
4 13
5 18
6 22
7 23
8 27
9 31
10 35
11 20
12 10
13 22 R
14 9
15 17
16 4 15 1 15 -15 -15
17 0 R 15 2 30 72 42 27
18 21 14 1 14 -14 13
19 9 R 14 2 28 72 44 57
20 13 R 13 1 13 36 23 80 --- QUIT Count is still not bad at 6+1 and more repeats will come
21 4 12 1 12 -12 68 but when and which numbers will repeat
22 22 R 12 2 24 72 48 116
23 36 11 1 11 -11 105
24 4 11 2 22 -22 83
25 18 R 11 3 33 108 75 158
26 7 R 10 2 20 72 52 210
27 14 9 1 9 -9 201
28 34 9 2 18 -18 183
29 18 9 3 27 -27 156
30 0 9 4 36 -36 120
31 6 9 5 45 -45 75
32 9 9 6 54 -54 21
33 18 9 7 63 -63 -42
34 33 9 8 72 -72 -114
35 30 9 9 81 -81 -195
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 13, 07:30 AM 2016
You have a lot of lurkers that would be dissapointed if you stopped.
Below is the payout sheet for the Jackpot247 numbers again only using the count to make decisions.
BR $800 Profit Goal $80-$100 Note â€" These numbers have not changed in almost two months.
The BR amount is based on the highest drawdown I ever had playing repeats.
Drawdowns in the neighbourhood of $400 are common and I WOULD NOT bet repeats with a smaller BR than $400.
It is strange to note that this is the same BR that would have covered all of the 99 KTF wins.
-Celtic
JACKPOT 247 13APR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 11 0 0 0 0
2 9 0 0 0 0
3 29 0 0 0 0
4 28 0 0 0 0
5 5 0 0 0 0
6 17 0 0 0 0
7 12 0 0 0 0
8 7 0 0 0 0
9 32 0 0 0 0
10 20 0 0 0 0
11 20 R 0 0 0 0
12 10 0 0 0 0
13 22 0 0 0 0
14 9 R 0 0 0 0
15 17 R 0 0 0 0
16 4 0 0 0 0
17 0 0 0 0 0
18 21 14 1 14 -14 -14
19 9 R 14 2 28 72 44 30
20 13 13 1 13 -13 17
21 4 R 13 2 26 72 46 63
22 22 R 12 1 12 36 24 87 --- WIN GOAL REACHED IN ONLY 5 BETTING SPINS SO QUIT
23 36 11 1 11 -11 76
24 4 11 2 22 -22 54
25 18 11 3 33 -33 21
26 7 R 11 4 44 144 100 121
27 14 10 3 30 -30 91
28 34 10 4 40 -40 51
29 18 10 5 50 -50 1
30 0 R 10 6 60 216 156 157
31 6 9 5 45 -45 112
32 9 9 6 54 -54 58
33 18 9 7 63 -63 -5
34 33 9 8 72 -72 -77
35 30 9 9 81 -81 -158
36 21 9 10 90 -90 -248
37 24 9 11 99 -99 -347
Great posts, as usual, Celtic!
Thank you
Quote from: nextyear on Apr 13, 09:29 AM 2016
Great posts, as usual, Celtic!
Thank you
Thank you.
-Celtic
jackpot247 14.4.16
1 14
2 26
3 7
4 3
5 28
6 18
7 6
8 8
9 18
10 24
11 23
12 33
13 12
14 13
15 11
16 2
17 18
18 21
19 8
20 12
21 1
22 17
23 36
24 16
25 16
26 4
27 7
28 20
29 1
30 22
31 1
32 14
33 21
34 10
35 18
36 19
37 19
38 31
39 19
40 25
41 28
42 17
43 0
44 28
45 15
46 18
47 17
48 20
49 4
50 0
51 16
52 24
53 26
54 6
55 31
56 20
57 2
58 20
59 24
60 3
61 8
62 11
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 11, 07:36 PM 2016
I CANT WTF
i dont understand the count
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
WTF players and RG, on this sheet is the numbers in reply 246, and yesterday a game after the footie.
RG this is how you learn the count, by studying your played games.
The top game i won 11.25 and 13.50 on the other,remember on the FOBT i have to use the smallest chip as they want me to hit the max bet as soon as possible.
The top game has some markings from when i got home checking things out.
What is good is that the count is the same,7,+2 and 14,+4 this is where you learn getting similar counts and if you practice you will remember how to play the count.
Remember 13th spin how many non-hit have come, at the end of the 1st 10 spins whats the count? is it favoring going for repeats,or do you need to wait, like Winkel said if unsure dont bet.
Whats 25th spin letting you know? are there half the non-hits gone, has it been fast non-hit more than repeats, think about LOTT,do you need to now include all non-hit,previous game play should have trained your line of thought.
The 13.4.16 game
11#'s in margin keep an eye on what they are doing in your 1st 10 spins, on 10th spin i bet those in the margin plus the previous 9 spins and lost. Should of played for the 28 non-hit, but i'd started so rebet,lost,rebet chipped up,lost,chipped up the rebet, now rebet but stayed same unit, of course it wins,
Did the FOBT realise it would not cover the bets.Rebet the 20 at 2 units,win.
Now do i bet the 20 again as the margin still not repeated, but average doc tells me the 13th non-hit average to come in is 2 spins, they are there, so the bet is 25 non-hit and win, but its the margin,which is one of the 25 non-hits as well. Bet the 24 non-hit win.
Now the meter is nearly back to even, so just watch. 7,+2. Keep watching two more non-hit,now the non-hit have come,so lets bet the 18,lose rebet*2 win, now Lets do a Celtic just go for the 17, but you have to remember the 3 new non-hits could repeat,but i'll go with the bet,win.
Its 25th spin, now the avg doc says up to the 26th non-hit they average to come in is 3 spins, so watch, doc is right.Just watch 3 more non-hit, this looks just like the above game, so bet the 22,win. Now is it going to give 7 non-hit in spins 21-30,so just watch, there it is, 14,+4 we only need 1 more non-hit for the 15, so bet the 23, win.
I think whats 13.50 worth,with £1 units £54, so its time to leave, watching the count, remembering previous game plays, you can beat Roulette or my case FOBT, RNG.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 14, 07:01 AM 2016
... watching the count, remembering previous game plays...
I think this is what moves up the level of gambler's intelligence!
Like playing chess or cards or anything...
Respect, Notto!
JACKPOT 247 14APR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 14
2 26
3 7
4 3
5 28
6 18
7 6
8 8
9 18 R
10 24
11 23
12 33
13 12
14 13
15 11
16 2 15 1 15 -15 -15
17 18 R 15 2 30 72 42 27
18 21 14 1 14 -14 13
19 8 R 14 2 28 72 44 57
20 12 R 13 1 13 36 23 80 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
21 1 12 1 12 -12 68
22 17 12 2 24 -24 44
23 36 12 3 36 -36 8
24 16 12 4 48 -48 -40
25 16 R 18 5 90 180 90 50
26 4 17 4 68 -68 -18
27 7 R 17 5 85 180 95 77
28 20 16 4 64 -64 13
29 1 R 16 5 80 180 100 113
30 22 15 1 15 -15 98
31 1 15 2 30 -30 68
32 14 R 15 3 45 108 63 131
33 21 R 14 1 14 36 22 153
34 10 13 2 26 -26 127
35 18 13 3 39 -39 88
36 19 13 4 52 -52 36
37 19 13 5 65 -65 -29
I apologize in advance for the long post but thought that a detailed analysis might be of benefit to some.
Above is the payout sheet for the Jackpot 247 numbers supplied by Notto for April 14 2016.
BR $800 Win/Stop=$80-$100. I cover 0 if not included in the original numbers. I do not bet triples. I also will stay within a 37 spin cycle. (or 38 on a 00 wheel).
Remember this is being played following the count based on, Nottos averages sheet, LOTT, and Winkels GUT system. Decisions that only you can make have to be made along the way and I think that that is the reason people that do not understand this strategy think that the rules keep changing.
I will run through all 37 spins so that you can see what would have happened had you decided to continue to the bitter end.
One thing to note is that it is very common with this strategy to lose more spins than you win and still profit. An example would be at spin 33 where you have $153 Profit with 8 winning spins and there were 10 losing spins at that point.
Analysis:
After 10 spins we have only 1 repeat very good so far.
Spins 11-15 we have 5 more unhit come.
Remembering that each block of 10 has 5 Unhits and 5 Repeats allocated to it, this would mean that there is a POSSIBILITY of 5 in the next 5 spins. So start betting the unhit numbers from spin 1-15 + 1 for the zero that was not part of the original sequence.
After spin 20 we have had 3 wins and 2 losses and show a profit of $80.
I would have quit at this point.
The count after spin 20 is 7 +2.
As I have stated many times in this and the KTF thread you HAVE TO HAVE DISCIPLINE AND NOT GET GREEDY with this strategy.
Continuing on, after spin 24 we have had another 4 unhits come in a row.
Since there are now 6 additional unhits since we started betting at spin 16 I add those numbers on so the bet at spin 25 is 18.
Remember there is a still a POSSIBILITY of 5 Repeats to come in the next 6 spins.
So after spin 30 we have a count of 14 +4 and according to averages there COULD STILL BE another 5 Repeats in the next 7 spins. Nice odds but remember that I have not been adding in Repeats that have hit. I have tried adding them in but it seems to cause more grief than benefit so I do not add them in as I used to. Not a rule change just one of the decisions that have to be made.
So in the next 7 spins we see 2 more unhits and the 5 Repeats that were a possibility.
Unfortunately, as I just said, 3 of those repeats were triples that we did not bet.
I only bet within the 37 spin cycle so did not continue past there.
As a footnote I would like to also say that when I initially started on this road there were times that I would play KTF at spin 11 until I got a count that was good then switch to betting Repeats. Had I done that with this session I would have made an additional $50 in the first 15 spins and run right into betting the repeats.
I warn you now if you try this the stress level is high as Denzie can also attest to because he also played KTF and then bet Repeats all in one session.
I realize that lot of people reading this may not understand what is going on here and all I can say is you need to spend a lot of time practising this strategy before playing with real money.
For people that cannot grasp the concept I say play KTF. It has set rules and there is no thinking involved really. Also, reading the complete WTF and KTF threads can only help you better understand these strategies.
-Celtic
Well explained Celtic
I realize that lot of people reading this may not understand what is going on here and all I can say is you need to spend a lot of time practising this strategy before playing with real money.
This is the best part
For people that cannot grasp the concept I say play KTF. It has set rules and there is no thinking involved really. Also, reading the complete WTF and KTF threads can only help you better understand these strategies.
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 14, 09:54 AM 2016
JACKPOT 247 14APR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 14
2 26
3 7
4 3
5 28
6 18
7 6
8 8
9 18 R
10 24
11 23
12 33
13 12
14 13
15 11
16 2 15 1 15 -15 -15
17 18 R 15 2 30 72 42 27
18 21 14 1 14 -14 13
19 8 R 14 2 28 72 44 57
20 12 R 13 1 13 36 23 80 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
21 1 12 1 12 -12 68
22 17 12 2 24 -24 44
23 36 12 3 36 -36 8
24 16 12 4 48 -48 -40
25 16 R 18 5 90 180 90 50
26 4 17 4 68 -68 -18
27 7 R 17 5 85 180 95 77
28 20 16 4 64 -64 13
29 1 R 16 5 80 180 100 113
30 22 15 1 15 -15 98
31 1 15 2 30 -30 68
32 14 R 15 3 45 108 63 131
33 21 R 14 1 14 36 22 153
34 10 13 2 26 -26 127
35 18 13 3 39 -39 88
36 19 13 4 52 -52 36
37 19 13 5 65 -65 -29
I apologize in advance for the long post but thought that a detailed analysis might be of benefit to some.
Above is the payout sheet for the Jackpot 247 numbers supplied by Notto for April 14 2016.
BR $800 Win/Stop=$80-$100. I cover 0 if not included in the original numbers. I do not bet triples. I also will stay within a 37 spin cycle. (or 38 on a 00 wheel).
Remember this is being played following the count based on, Nottos averages sheet, LOTT, and Winkels GUT system. Decisions that only you can make have to be made along the way and I think that that is the reason people that do not understand this strategy think that the rules keep changing.
I will run through all 37 spins so that you can see what would have happened had you decided to continue to the bitter end.
One thing to note is that it is very common with this strategy to lose more spins than you win and still profit. An example would be at spin 33 where you have $153 Profit with 8 winning spins and there were 10 losing spins at that point.
Analysis:
After 10 spins we have only 1 repeat very good so far.
Spins 11-15 we have 5 more unhit come.
Remembering that each block of 10 has 5 Unhits and 5 Repeats allocated to it, this would mean that there is a POSSIBILITY of 5 in the next 5 spins. So start betting the unhit numbers from spin 1-15 + 1 for the zero that was not part of the original sequence.
After spin 20 we have had 3 wins and 2 losses and show a profit of $80.
I would have quit at this point.
The count after spin 20 is 7 +2.
As I have stated many times in this and the KTF thread you HAVE TO HAVE DISCIPLINE AND NOT GET GREEDY with this strategy.
Continuing on, after spin 24 we have had another 4 unhits come in a row.
Since there are now 6 additional unhits since we started betting at spin 16 I add those numbers on so the bet at spin 25 is 18.
Remember there is a still a POSSIBILITY of 5 Repeats to come in the next 6 spins.
So after spin 30 we have a count of 14 +4 and according to averages there COULD STILL BE another 5 Repeats in the next 7 spins. Nice odds but remember that I have not been adding in Repeats that have hit. I have tried adding them in but it seems to cause more grief than benefit so I do not add them in as I used to. Not a rule change just one of the decisions that have to be made.
So in the next 7 spins we see 2 more unhits and the 5 Repeats that were a possibility.
Unfortunately, as I just said, 3 of those repeats were triples that we did not bet.
I only bet within the 37 spin cycle so did not continue past there.
As a footnote I would like to also say that when I initially started on this road there were times that I would play KTF at spin 11 until I got a count that was good then switch to betting Repeats. Had I done that with this session I would have made an additional $50 in the first 15 spins and run right into betting the repeats.
I warn you now if you try this the stress level is high as Denzie can also attest to because he also played KTF and then bet Repeats all in one session.
I realize that lot of people reading this may not understand what is going on here and all I can say is you need to spend a lot of time practising this strategy before playing with real money.
For people that cannot grasp the concept I say play KTF. It has set rules and there is no thinking involved really. Also, reading the complete WTF and KTF threads can only help you better understand these strategies.
-Celtic
Hello people from the forum,first post here :) just read the KTF AND WTF threatsmi m in the testing zone so i choose to play WTF(to learn playing,sorry for my english)i have 2 sessions played on RNG roulette NEttent program,and a have this 2 sessions that i don t know how to play it,or were i did it wrong,I Celtic or other memver can play for me it woul be a good lesson thanks here are the numbers:
4
35
6
5
16
36
14
30
32
25
34
29
33
15
5 R
28
23
10
20
27
19
2
24
31
13
4 R
6 R
16 R
28 R
I believe that was a bust,i played the repeater from 17th spin
Thank You in Advance
Quote from -Curiosone
Hello people from the forum,first post here :) just read the KTF AND WTF threatsmi m in the testing zone so i choose to play WTF(to learn playing,sorry for my english)i have 2 sessions played on RNG roulette NEttent program,and a have this 2 sessions that i don t know how to play it,or were i did it wrong,I Celtic or other memver can play for me it woul be a good lesson thanks here are the numbers:
4
35
6
5
16
36
14
30
32
25
34
29
33
15
5 R
28
23
10
20
27
19
2
24
31
13
4 R
6 R
16 R
28 R
I believe that was a bust,i played the repeater from 17th spin
Thank You in Advance
-Curiosone
I looked at the numbers and cannot really give you an answer because there are not enough numbers.
To me it looks like you quit too soon.
If this was airball of a live dealer you should have won but with RNG who knows.
You still had the POSSIBILITY of 7 repeats in the next 8 spins when the numbers stopped.
Sorry but next time give us a complete spin cycle.
-Celtic
Thanks for the answer Celtic,in my opinion is a bust because if i use 7 step progression will fail,in these example the repetear came after the 9th,RNG sessions have difrent numbers and scenarios that what are u post in here,i don t know what to say about it
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 14, 11:08 AM 2016
Thanks for the answer Celtic,in my opinion is a bust because if i use 7 step progression will fail,in these example the repetear came after the 9th,RNG sessions have difrent numbers and scenarios that what are u post in here,i don t know what to say about it
-Curioseone
I would have started betting at spin 16.
At spin 20 your count is 9 +4 and no Repeats in the first 10 spins.
Being RNG I would have stopped betting until the next repeat comes then add in the number of unhits not bet on and started betting again.
Where you stopped you would have only been down -$47 and the count is still good but it is RNG so who knows what would have happened.
-Celtic
Celtic beat me to it.
Might be a fabricated set of #'s to discredit the WTF players.
4,35,6 then 5 duh.
Anyway to the knitty gritty.
10/10 not unusual.
13th no repeat, so 1 hits are behind remember could see 26-9-2
15th theres your repeat.
So most WTF'ers would be just watching a very fast trot/count appear. The 19th non-hit is well early, on countback it says (note) could be spin 27/28.
If you take the half of the wheel which are 1 hits, you'll bet 19#'s upping 1 unit till a win.
At spin 26 the #4 of the 2nd street DUH hits, units out 399 return 216 a -183
Again 2nd street #6 DUH 18, 1hits at 5 units
#28 4th repeat back to positive +43
Thanks very much for your time,yes its a ideea that i will remember,but this kind of numbers i think are very rare.hope that are very rare :))
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 14, 11:20 AM 2016
Celtic beat me to it.
Might be a fabricated set of #'s to discredit the WTF players.
4,35,6 then 5 duh.
Anyway to the knitty gritty.
10/10 not unusual.
13th no repeat, so 1 hits are behind remember could see 26-9-2
15th theres your repeat.
So most WTF'ers would be just watching a very fast trot/count appear. The 19th non-hit is well early, on countback it says (note) could be spin 27/28.
If you take the half of the wheel which are 1 hits, you'll bet 19#'s upping 1 unit till a win.
At spin 26 the #4 of the 2nd street DUH hits, units out 399 return 216 a -183
Again 2nd street #6 DUH 18, 1hits at 5 units
#28 4th repeat back to positive +43
Noto as i am kind of new in this problem,it a bust for me,but next time i will try to have a new approach,thank for the answer and for your effort
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 14, 10:20 AM 2016
4
35
6
5
16
36
14
30
32
25
34
29
33
15
5 R
28
23
10
20
27
19
2
24
31
13
4 R
6 R
16 R
28 R
I believe that was a bust,i played the repeater from 17th spin
Thank You in Advance
This surely was no bust for me. As I play it.
Spin 21, 22 , 23 were non hits. ... so my first bet would be after that.....easy session :thumbsup:
curiosone
This is the nearest sheet from 111 games to your numbers
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 14, 11:28 AM 2016
Noto as i am kind of new in this problem,it a bust for me,but next time i will try to have a new approach,thank for the answer and for your effort
-Curiosone
OR
It is +50 after spin 17 with KTF
As I said before practice with Nottos numbers and learn to bet repeats (WTF) and in the mean time just play KTF.
Won 99 times out of 100 with an $800 br.
FYI - I would not limit the progression like you stated.
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Apr 14, 11:29 AM 2016
This surely was no bust for me. As I play it.
Spin 21, 22 , 23 were non hits. ... so my first bet would be after that.....easy session :thumbsup:
Hello Denzie,so after all those numbers,and that good count,still wait this much before betting?
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 14, 11:36 AM 2016
curiosone
This is the nearest sheet from 111 games to your numbers
Thanks Noto,i will study,here KTF wins easy,but those sequence for the repetears still don t convince me
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 14, 11:38 AM 2016
-Curiosone
OR
It is +50 after spin 17 with KTF
As I said before practice with Nottos numbers and learn to bet repeats (WTF) and in the mean time just play KTF.
Won 99 times out of 100 with an $800 br.
FYI - I would not limit the progression like you stated.
-Celtic
U must admit that my session was a tricky one :))
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 14, 11:40 AM 2016
Hello Denzie,so after all those numbers,and that good count,still wait this much before betting?
Yep. I've seen those "good" counts kick my $ss to much.
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 14, 11:45 AM 2016
Yes I agree, it was a tricky one.
Would have been nice to see the next 8 numbers though.
Even at the end the count was still 14 +5 with 8 spins to come and 7 repeats due to come I would have gone for it with odds like that but I probably would also have quit as soon as being in a positive total.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 14, 04:50 PM 2016
Yes I agree, it was a tricky one.
Would have been nice to see the next 8 numbers though.
They are random. You could just get 8 numbers from random.org and stick them on the end.
Try it.
Quote from: Turner on Apr 14, 05:18 PM 2016
They are random. You could just get 8 numbers from random.org and stick them on the end.
Try it.
What happened to personal permeance.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 14, 05:44 PM 2016
What happened to personal permeance.
You are missing my hidden irony :thumbsup:
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 14, 11:43 AM 2016
Thanks Noto,i will study,here KTF wins easy,but those sequence for the repetears still don t convince me
-Curiosone
If you bet for repeaters on the sheet that Notto posted for Jackpot 247 8Feb16 you should hit a Win/Stop of +$85 at spin 28.
-Celtic
"If" ...is not good
Quote from: Turner on Apr 14, 06:27 PM 2016
You are missing my hidden irony :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Apr 14, 07:28 PM 2016
"If" ...is not good
Do you wait for a "biased" post :P :P Habits ^-^
Quote from: Turner on Apr 14, 05:18 PM 2016
They are random. You could just get 8 numbers from random.org and stick them on the end.
Try it.
-Turner
With your irony statement above to Priyanka I am not sure where you are going with this anyways I'll say that it does not make sense to me to use numbers from a completely seperate RNG source to complete a 37 spin cycle that is already 29 spins in.
To me all of the numbers should be generated from the same source in 37 consecutive spins.
I do have a question for you though:
In your opinion can the numbers from random.org be used safely for testing?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 14, 08:26 PM 2016
to me to use numbers from a completely seperate RNG source to complete a 37 spin cycle that is already 29 spins in.
To me all of the numbers should be generated from the same source in 37 consecutive spins.
Celtic - as twocat would put it hear me now and listen to me later. It doesnt matter. Whether you get 37 from same source or you jump from willhill to ladbrokes to paddy getting one spin each from nottos machine of death, it is the same.. End of the day.. it is RANDOM
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 14, 08:28 PM 2016
Celtic - as twocat would put it hear me now and listen to me later. It doesnt matter. Whether you get 37 from same source or you jump from willhill to ladbrokes to paddy getting one spin each from nottos machine of death, it is the same.. End of the day.. it is RANDOM
-Priyanka
Thank you for that clarification.
-Celtic
I think its a moot point that its random
If it works it works
10 spins here or there. 1 here 1 there. Doesnt matter if it works
-Curiosone
As stated in Turners Post #320 I got the additional numbers from random.org and played through as I said I would in my Posts #308 and #319.
Thank you Turner.
Here is the payout sheet with the random.org numbers.
CURIOSONE 14APR16
(NOTE: Spins 30-37 generated by random.org as suggested by Turner)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 35
3 6
4 5
5 16
6 36
7 14
8 30
9 32
10 25
11 34
12 29
13 33
14 15
15 5 R
16 28 14 1 14 -14 -14
17 23 14 2 28 -28 -42
18 10 14 3 42 -42 -84
19 20 14 4 56 -56 -140
20 27 14 5 70 -70 -210
21 19 -210
22 2 -210
23 24 -210
24 31 -210
25 13 -210
26 4 R -210
27 6 R 23 6 138 216 78 -132
28 16 R 22 5 110 180 70 -62 ------ Quit at first positive profit as stated in Post #319
29 28 R 21 4 84 144 60 -2
30 19 R 20 3 60 108 48 46 --- QUIT
31 1 19 1 19 -19 27
32 7 19 2 38 -38 -11
33 24 R 19 3 57 108 51 40
34 28 18 2 36 -36 4
35 3 18 3 54 -54 -50
36 36 R 18 4 72 144 72 22
37 16 17 3 51 -51 -29
[/note]
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 14, 09:58 PM 2016
-Curiosone
As stated in Turners Post #320 I got the additional numbers from random.org and played through as I said I would in my Posts #308 and #319.
Thank you Turner.
Here is the payout sheet with the random.org numbers.
CURIOSONE 14APR16
(NOTE: Spins 30-37 generated by random.org as suggested by Turner)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 35
3 6
4 5
5 16
6 36
7 14
8 30
9 32
10 25
11 34
12 29
13 33
14 15
15 5 R
16 28 14 1 14 -14 -14
17 23 14 2 28 -28 -42
18 10 14 3 42 -42 -84
19 20 14 4 56 -56 -140
20 27 14 5 70 -70 -210
21 19 -210
22 2 -210
23 24 -210
24 31 -210
25 13 -210
26 4 R -210
27 6 R 23 6 138 216 78 -132
28 16 R 22 5 110 180 70 -62 ------ Quit at first positive profit as stated in Post #319
29 28 R 21 4 84 144 60 -2
30 19 R 20 3 60 108 48 46 --- QUIT
31 1 19 1 19 -19 27
32 7 19 2 38 -38 -11
33 24 R 19 3 57 108 51 40
34 28 18 2 36 -36 4
35 3 18 3 54 -54 -50
36 36 R 18 4 72 144 72 22
37 16 17 3 51 -51 -29
[/note]
Hey Celt
I believe Random.org is perfectly random.
As for those 8, it poses some questions,
If I understand that a random number is just that....a number which doesnt relate in any way to other random numbers...then what was it you were saying "if only I had the last 8" to?
It was 8 random numbers. And any 8 random numbers are just that. And as soon as I say 8 then I am seeing them in series, in a line, which means nothing to the RNG. Only to our abstract mind.
Then you naturally think..."so what was it I was tracking then?"
Its hard to visualise.
When WTF and KTF are played, it has been so far as I know (definitely KTF) using a single stream of numbers. When game starts its using 37 #’s that are due, admittedly these 37#’s are collected randomly, from a single source.
What you are suggesting to me, is use different sources that will produce random results.
So why would you do that? Help random out by moving between different streams of data. You people are always going on about you can’t beat random, wouldn’t it be better to stay in one stream of data from one wheel or micky mouse roulette program.
Now you’re in one cycle of random numbers, be it from a wheel or predetermined numbers from a program, you know your choices, 0x’s, 1x’s and >1x’s. How you play against these, is up to the individual.
I know what stream of numbers I’d use, the single stream, where you’ve collected game upon game of data, this data that after 100 games, reveals an average, which we know could change at some point.
Like you say move between streams, but if you play on the same equipment, my case FOBT, RNG, I do play in different streams but they are from the same source, program, which after time behaves in a regular way, note not pattern.
Take Jackpot247.com to date we’ve 111 pieces of data; take the 11th non-hit which for it to hit uses 27 due non-hit numbers, from the same stream. The info you have on this particular non-hit as it’s from the same source, air ball, is it averages to hit within 1.35 spins and the max to date to come in is 4 spins.
So the max of 4 spins, how long before it max’s to 5? Well it maxed to 4 spins on the 18.2.16, so its 56 days at max 4 spins as of 14.4.16 would this info be any good when you’re suggesting jumping from 1 stream to another, I’d say no, you’d need to collect that type of game play to be able to quote specific details.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 15, 04:37 AM 2016
You people are always going on about you can’t beat random,
notto
"you people?" lol
I am not suggesting anything if you read it. thats the point. random numbers dont suggest anything
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 14, 09:58 PM 2016
-Curiosone
As stated in Turners Post #320 I got the additional numbers from random.org and played through as I said I would in my Posts #308 and #319.
Thank you Turner.
Here is the payout sheet with the random.org numbers.
CURIOSONE 14APR16
(NOTE: Spins 30-37 generated by random.org as suggested by Turner)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 35
3 6
4 5
5 16
6 36
7 14
8 30
9 32
10 25
11 34
12 29
13 33
14 15
15 5 R
16 28 14 1 14 -14 -14
17 23 14 2 28 -28 -42
18 10 14 3 42 -42 -84
19 20 14 4 56 -56 -140
20 27 14 5 70 -70 -210
21 19 -210
22 2 -210
23 24 -210
24 31 -210
25 13 -210
26 4 R -210
27 6 R 23 6 138 216 78 -132
28 16 R 22 5 110 180 70 -62 ------ Quit at first positive profit as stated in Post #319
29 28 R 21 4 84 144 60 -2
30 19 R 20 3 60 108 48 46 --- QUIT
31 1 19 1 19 -19 27
32 7 19 2 38 -38 -11
33 24 R 19 3 57 108 51 40
34 28 18 2 36 -36 4
35 3 18 3 54 -54 -50
36 36 R 18 4 72 144 72 22
37 16 17 3 51 -51 -29
[/note]
Thanks Celtic,so you added 9 more numbers at the first 14,i understand the move,but when do u know to add the other numbers?there is a trigger?Thanks for your time
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 14, 08:28 PM 2016
Celtic - as twocat would put it hear me now and listen to me later. It doesnt matter. Whether you get 37 from same source or you jump from willhill to ladbrokes to paddy getting one spin each from nottos machine of death, it is the same.. End of the day.. it is RANDOM
So in that case you should be able to play after old ktf sheets?
I mean when you have good circumstances and start to bet after spin 23 it should work?
I did some small tests and it works for me. What do you say denzie? That should make it really powerful if you do not care of the count so much..
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 15, 05:20 AM 2016
Thanks Celtic,so you added 9 more numbers at the first 14,i understand the move,but when do u know to add the other numbers?there is a trigger?Thanks for your time
-Curiosone
The trigger I used with my online RNG account was to wait until the next repeat hit and if there were more than 2 additional unhit #s I would add them in. This is not a rule just something that I came up with, that worked for me, while playing on my online casino.
I did not have the account that long because of the number of times I used to see these strange strings of numbers that I felt were being manipulated. I have seen strange things playing airball live but nothing like I saw with the online RNG. This and the fact I felt like I was playing a Playstation game made me decide to close out the account and see how fast I would be paid off. At least there were no issues with that.
I think that when you play the SAME RNG time and time again you get a feel for it but if, when I am playing, something does not feel right I will look for the first best exit point. That is the reson I said that I would quit as soon as I got into profit even before I got those additional numbers from random.org
I still think you would be best to play KTF for now and keep working on betting repeats.
There a lot of decisions that only you can make when playing the repeats.
DO NOT play repeats until you are happy with your understanding of it.
Hey you have all sorts of ways of checking your thinking out before playing with real money.
I was lucky because I was playing KTF, studying Nottos averages sheets, LOTT, and Winkels GUT strategy.
If you read ALL of the KTF thread you will see that the main reason I started to play repeats was the large drawdowns sometimes to make $30-$40 Profit that I was not happy with.
Understanding betting repeats is not easy but if you stick with it the light will come on at some point.
This is still the only strategy that I play on roulette.
I hope this helps.
-Celtic
Quote from: Turner on Apr 15, 04:16 AM 2016
Hey Celt
I believe Random.org is perfectly random.
As for those 8, it poses some questions,
If I understand that a random number is just that....a number which doesnt relate in any way to other random numbers...then what was it you were saying "if only I had the last 8" to?
It was 8 random numbers. And any 8 random numbers are just that. And as soon as I say 8 then I am seeing them in series, in a line, which means nothing to the RNG. Only to our abstract mind.
Then you naturally think..."so what was it I was tracking then?"
Its hard to visualise.
-Turner
Food for thought, and, thank you for your thoughts on random.org.
-Celtic
I'm not going into this random stuff...
We all know that each spin is random. After 10 Red in a row there can follow another 10 Red. After seeing 3 times number 14 appear in a row...there is the same chance as all numbers on the wheel that it hits again. Sure. Blabla...yadayayada. ...yekyekyek. .... ;D
But will it happen ? Most likely hell noooo.
But it can ? Yep. Lol (once in ..... spins)
I'm keeping it with 37 spins from the same wheel. Thx
Quote from: denzie on Apr 15, 06:29 AM 2016
I'm not going into this random stuff...
We all know that each spin is random. After 10 Red in a row there can follow another 10 Red. After seeing 3 times number 14 appear in a row...there is the same chance as all numbers on the wheel that it hits again. Sure. Blabla...yadayayada. ...yekyekyek. .... ;D
But will it happen ? Most likely hell noooo.
But it can ? Yep. Lol (once in ..... spins)
I'm keeping it with 37 spins from the same wheel. Thx
He he ok. I just think it is strange that it works. Maybe it is not so strange because you are betting so much numbers and random is random..
-Denzie
If you had to choose between playing airball and playing RNG which one would you choose and why?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 15, 06:39 AM 2016
-Denzie
If you had to choose between playing airball and playing RNG which one would you choose and why?
-Celtic
Good question ^^
First I would say RNG. Then airball or live dealer. But I saw on those we get those crazy RNG counts also. Sooooo.... RNG ! Why ? Coz it's so fast
Quote from: denzie on Apr 15, 06:44 AM 2016
Good question ^^
First I would say RNG. Then airball or live dealer. But I saw on those we get those crazy RNG counts also. Sooooo.... RNG ! Why ? Coz it's so fast
-Denzie
Thank you for the reply.
After Turners post I have been looking at the posts in the Randomness section of the forum.
I agree that we can get the crazy RNG counts on airball and live dealers but from what I have seen so far it happens a lot more more with RNG than the others.
-Celtic
todays #'s
jackpot247 15.4.16
1 33
2 36
3 27
4 29
5 21
6 9
7 4
8 19
9 18
10 33
11 26
12 23
13 33
14 20
15 8
16 24
17 18
18 12
19 16
20 9
21 11
22 4
23 9
24 8
25 16
26 30
27 17
28 13
29 22
30 22
31 6
32 15
33 17
34 33
35 23
36 20
37 28
38 27
39 19
40 21
41 1
42 2
43 23
44 5
45 30
46 5
47 6
48 13
49 25
50 12
51 20
52 13
53 11
54 21
55 33
56 4
57 27
58 15
59 24
60 12
61 6
62 33
63 30
64 34
65 6
66 26
67 20
68 19
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 15, 07:05 AM 2016
todays #'s
jackpot247 15.4.16
1 33
2 36
3 27
4 29
5 21
6 9
7 4
8 19
9 18
10 33
11 26
12 23
13 33
14 20
15 8
16 24
17 18
18 12
19 16
20 9
21 11
22 4
23 9
24 8
25 16
26 30
27 17
28 13
29 22
30 22
31 6
32 15
33 17
34 33
35 23
36 20
37 28
38 27
39 19
40 21
41 1
42 2
43 23
44 5
45 30
46 5
47 6
48 13
49 25
50 12
51 20
52 13
53 11
54 21
55 33
56 4
57 27
58 15
59 24
60 12
61 6
62 33
63 30
64 34
65 6
66 26
67 20
68 19
-Notto
Thank you.
Are you still getting the first 10 numbers from a seperate source?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 15, 06:19 AM 2016
-Curiosone
The trigger I used with my online RNG account was to wait until the next repeat hit and if there were more than 2 additional unhit #s I would add them in. This is not a rule just something that I came up with, that worked for me, while playing on my online casino.
I did not have the account that long because of the number of times I used to see these strange strings of numbers that I felt were being manipulated. I have seen strange things playing airball live but nothing like I saw with the online RNG. This and the fact I felt like I was playing a Playstation game made me decide to close out the account and see how fast I would be paid off. At least there were no issues with that.
I think that when you play the SAME RNG time and time again you get a feel for it but if, when I am playing, something does not feel right I will look for the first best exit point. That is the reson I said that I would quit as soon as I got into profit even before I got those additional numbers from random.org
I still think you would be best to play KTF for now and keep working on betting repeats.
There a lot of decisions that only you can make when playing the repeats.
DO NOT play repeats until you are happy with your understanding of it.
Hey you have all sorts of ways of checking your thinking out before playing with real money.
I was lucky because I was playing KTF, studying Nottos averages sheets, LOTT, and Winkels GUT strategy.
If you read ALL of the KTF thread you will see that the main reason I started to play repeats was the large drawdowns sometimes to make $30-$40 Profit that I was not happy with.
Understanding betting repeats is not easy but if you stick with it the light will come on at some point.
This is still the only strategy that I play on roulette.
I hope this helps.
-Celtic
Thank you for the advice Celtic,i will practice a lot an read the threads..hope i good result
Good day
Quote from: curiosone on Apr 15, 07:19 AM 2016
Thank you for the advice Celtic,i will practice a lot an read the threads..hope i good result
Good day
-Curiosone
Thank you and Good Luck
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 15, 07:14 AM 2016
-Notto
Thank you.
Are you still getting the first 10 numbers from a seperate source?
-Celtic
The numbers are always Jackpot247.com, we have to keep true to the start or we'll be accused of fabricating the games
Can we trust RNG? I played Denzie´s strategy on NetEnt RNG and was up 5 BR, was about to write about the good news. just had to finish 2 more on my Notto sheet, then got 3 busts in a row. had a brake for 8 hours then got another bust(800u)... felt like it was the computer taking back what it had given me. just like the slots.
I have never been a fan of RNG always played live dealer or real casino. but how do we know that RNG software is random? isnt it like saying slots are random? but we all know that by playing slots we have to loose in the long run. in Roulette we could win every spin if we manage to guess the right outcome.
Please convince me :-)
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 15, 08:40 AM 2016
The numbers are always Jackpot247.com, we have to keep true to the start or we'll be accused of fabricating the games
-Notto
I hear you :twisted:
Won easily on both KTF and Repeats
-Celtic
Quote from: 777 on Apr 15, 09:00 AM 2016
Can we trust RNG? I played Denzie´s strategy on NetEnt RNG and was up 5 BR, was about to write about the good news. just had to finish 2 more on my Notto sheet, then got 3 busts in a row. had a brake for 8 hours then got another bust(800u)... felt like it was the computer taking back what it had given me. just like the slots.
I have never been a fan of RNG always played live dealer or real casino. but how do we know that RNG software is random? isnt it like saying slots are random? but we all know that by playing slots we have to loose in the long run. in Roulette we could win every spin if we manage to guess the right outcome.
Please convince me :-)
-777
Can you please post the numbers?
-Celtic
Sure Celtic
RNG played the with no hits on spin #21-22-23
36
25
2
31
25
7
18
28
15
22
18
15
1
16
28
29
12
2
8
35
0
17
27
24---start here because no r in spin 21-22-23
14
14
5
3
0
3
2
6
14
10
6
9
19
13
17
21
33
4
20
34
What do you prefer Celtic? RNG or Live dealer?
Quote from: 777 on Apr 15, 09:00 AM 2016
Can we trust RNG? I played Denzie´s strategy on NetEnt RNG and was up 5 BR, was about to write about the good news. just had to finish 2 more on my Notto sheet, then got 3 busts in a row. had a brake for 8 hours then got another bust(800u)... felt like it was the computer taking back what it had given me. just like the slots.
Hmm that's strange. I've noticed that with another member that this happens. When a bust comes they never come alone.... so you had 4 busts in a row ? Something smells fishy.... would they program it to take it back ? Or would they program some patterns ? Maybe the experienced rng players know this.....
What I did noticed b4 is that the rng gives some patterns. Ok live wheels do too but it's bit stronger on rng. I use to play lankys matrix. And I've noticed after playing few 100k spins that there is a period with wins and losses. Once I've noticed that I waited till the shit period passed. And then I would go in flatbet. That did the job.
Same with betting an ec .... for example on NetEnt you can see the % of them. After clicking days and days you see the minimum and maximum %. And of course the average. Once you know that.....go in flatbet. But this probably happens on a real wheel too. Only there the waiting would be huge.
Some rng experts can help ?
Quote from: 777 on Apr 15, 10:17 AM 2016
Sure Celtic
RNG played the with no hits on spin #21-22-23
36
25
2
31
25
7
18
28
15
22
18
15
1
16
28
29
12
2
8
35
0
17
27
24---start here because no r in spin 21-22-23
14
14
5
3
0
3
2
6
14
10
6
9
19
13
17
21
33
4
20
34
What do you prefer Celtic? RNG or Live dealer?
-777
I prefer live Airball because and the B&M casino is only a few minutes from my house.
Live dealers are about 2 hours up the road.
HERE IS THE SOLUTION TO YOUR SESSION:
Same parameters I always use:
$800 BR, No Triples, +1/-1 Progression based on the count and total to date, $80-$100 Stop/Win, stay within 37-38 spin cycle
ALL DECISIONS ARE MADE BASED ON THE COUNT, NOTTOS AVERAGES SHEET(S), LOTT..............
Referring to the payout sheet, listed below, the first thing you will notice is the Reset at spin 10. What you do not see is that there were two previous resets before I got to that point. Why - I did not like the count so I just reset the whole session.
After spin 24 I have had 15 Unhit numbers in a row so I start to bet for repeats on all the unhit numbers.
After spin 29 I have a good count of 8 +3
I do a countback, as explained in previous posts, to add in the two additional unhit numbers and adjust the bet accordingly.
After spin 30 I am at a new high but will not reset the progression because I still have 75% of my repeats due before the end of the cycle in 16 spins. Again this is not a rule change but rather a decision, based on the count and averages in this case.
Spin 31 wins and puts us at a new total high so now I would reduce the progression back to 1 BUT
After spin #31 we have now reached our Win/Stop so QUIT!!!!!
I hope this has helped you.
-Celtic
777 RNG 15APR16
(Betting Repeats with Nottos Avg, LOTT and Winkels GUT)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 36
2 25
3 2
4 31
5 25
6 7
7 18
8 28
9 15
10 22 Reset
11 18
12 15
13 1
14 16
15 28
16 29
17 12
18 2
19 8 10/10
20 35
21 0 x
22 17
23 27
24 24 +5 Repeat count - Start betting all unhits for Repeats
25 14 X 15 1 15 -15 -15
26 14 R 15 2 30 -30 -45
27 5 15 3 45 -45 -90
28 3 15 4 60 -60 -150
29 0 R 15 5 75 180 105 -45
30 3 R 16 4 64 144 80 35
31 2 R 15 3 45 108 63 98 --- QUIT ---
32 6 14 1 14 -14 84
33 14 14 2 28 -28 56
34 10 14 3 42 -42 14
35 6 R 14 4 56 144 88 102
36 9 13 1 13 -13 89
37 19 13 2 26 -26 63
38 13 13 3 39 -39 24
39 17 R 13 4 52 144 92 116
jackpot247 16.4.16
1 31
2 0
3 4
4 28
5 12
6 5
7 35
8 4
9 7
10 13
11 25
12 3
13 9
14 9
15 5
16 14
17 2
18 15
19 35
20 8
21 12
22 3
23 30
24 34
25 7
26 1
27 35
28 20
29 0
30 31
31 16
32 9
33 24
34 23
35 5
36 25
37 0
38 19
39 23
40 15
41 26
42 6
43 36
44 33
45 21
46 1
47 19
48 28
49 5
50 0
51 31
52 1
53 2
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 16, 03:37 AM 2016
jackpot247 16.4.16
1 31
2 0
3 4
4 28
5 12
6 5
7 35
8 4
9 7
10 13
11 25
12 3
13 9
14 9
15 5
16 14
17 2
18 15
19 35
20 8
21 12
22 3
23 30
24 34
25 7
26 1
27 35
28 20
29 0
30 31
31 16
32 9
33 24
34 23
35 5
36 25
37 0
38 19
39 23
40 15
41 26
42 6
43 36
44 33
45 21
46 1
47 19
48 28
49 5
50 0
51 31
52 1
53 2
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
-Notto
Thank You for the numbers.
Here is a payout sheet betting repeats for anybody interested.
-Celtic
JACKPOT 247 16APR16
(Bet Repeats Using the Count, Notto's Avg Sheet(s), and LOTT)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 31
2 0
3 4
4 28
5 12
6 5
7 35
8 4 R
9 7
10 13 9/10
11 25
12 3
13 9
14 9 R
15 5 R
16 14
17 2 +3
18 15 11 1 11 -11 -11
19 35 R 11 2 22 72 50 39
20 8 10 1 10 -10 29
21 12 R NO-BET - Waiting for next Repeat or 2 Unhits after spin 20
22 3 R 9 2 18 72 54 83 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
23 30 8 1 8 -8 75
24 34 8 2 16 -16 59
25 7 R 8 3 24 108 84 143
26 1 7 1 7 -7 136
27 35 R 7 2 14 -14 122
28 20 6 3 18 -18 104
29 0 R 6 4 24 144 120 224
30 31 5 1 5 -5 219
31 16
32 9 R
33 24
34 23
35 5 R
36 25 R
37 0 R
24 pages...and you're testing what can be easily proven to fail with just some simple arithmetic.
Wake up guys. Turn on the light.
Quote from: The General on Apr 16, 03:40 PM 2016
24 pages...and you're testing what can be easily proven to fail with just some simple arithmetic.
Wake up guys. Turn on the light.
Why don't you post the arithmetic general if it's simple. That way you don't have to come again and again and say something. Time saved.
Quote from: The General on Apr 16, 03:40 PM 2016
24 pages...and you're testing what can be easily proven to fail with just some simple arithmetic.
Wake up guys. Turn on the light.
General i like the dark, just been on Ladbrokes FOBT 4 in total, 27 random #'s on each, Won on each machine. Out the door +36, so go and bark on someone elses parade ground.
Notto & Celtic, many and much THANKS for your analyses and directions!
Some of us who are lost, may find the right way with you as guides!
If I find exit with your help, I will also find a way to thank you the right way...
jackpot247 17.4.16
1 1
2 19
3 26
4 28
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Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 17, 04:40 AM 2016
jackpot247 17.4.16
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2 19
3 26
4 28
5 25
6 9
7 21
8 5
9 10
10 28
11 20
12 15
13 24
14 31
15 23
16 7
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18 24
19 30
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72 16
73 21
74 18
75 26
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77 4
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-Notto
Thank You for the numbers.
Here is a payout sheet betting repeats for anybody interested.
-Celtic
J ACKPOT 247 17APR16
(Bet Repeats using the Count, Nottos Avg and LOTT)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 9/10
11
12
13
14
15 Repeat count is at +5 so I start betting
16 7 14 1 14 -14 -14
17 19 R 14 2 28 72 44 30
18 24 R 13 1 13 36 23 53
19 30 12 1 12 -12 41
20 19 12 2 24 -24 17 --- Do a countback to add in 2 missing unhits
21 1 R 14 3 42 108 66 83 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
22 1 13 1 13 -13 70
23 14 13 2 26 -26 44
24 3 13 3 39 -39 5
25 29 13 4 52 -52 -47
26 30 R 13 5 65 180 115 68
27 23 R 12 4 48 144 96 164
28 20 R 11 1 11 36 25 189
29 18 10 1 10 -10 179
30 30 10 2 20 -20 159
31 2 10 3 30 -30 129
32 15 R 10 4 40 144 104 233
33 30 9 1 9 -9 224
34 33 9 2 18 -18 206
35 26 R 9 3 27 108 81 287
36 25 R 8 1 8 36 28 315
37 35 7 1 7 -7 308
I just noticed that Notto supplied enough numbers today to run 2 complete sessions.
Here is a payout sheet betting repeats for anybody interested for the second session.
NOTE: Had I continued past where I would have quit at spin 21 there would have been another countback after spin 25 to add in the additional 3 unhit numbers not in the betting sequence. It also pays to take note of the progresion reset(s) in this and other sheets I have posted.
-Celtic
JACKPOT 247 17APR16 Session 2
(Bet Repeats using the Count, Nottos Avg and LOTT)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 36
2 35
3 25
4 29
5 3
6 16
7 34
8 14
9 8
10 21 10/10
11 22
12 16 R
13 4
14 18
15 34 R Repeat count is +3 so I start betting
16 11 12 1 12 -12 -12
17 36 R 12 1 12 36 24 12
18 22 R 11 1 11 36 25 37
19 7 10 1 10 -10 27
20 2 10 2 20 -20 7 --- Countback to add 3 unhits to betting sequence
21 11 R 13 3 39 108 69 76 --- Close enough to Win/Stop so QUIT!!!
22 24 12 1 12 -12 64
23 30 12 2 24 -24 40
24 12 12 3 36 -36 4
25 11 12 4 48 -48 -44 --- Note Countback to add missing 3 unhits
26 32 15 5 75 -75 -119
27 2 R 15 6 90 216 126 7
28 25 R 14 5 70 180 110 117
29 9 13 1 13 -13 104
30 23 13 2 26 -26 78
31 31 13 3 39 -39 39
32 15 13 4 52 -52 -13
33 30 R 13 5 65 180 115 102
34 15 12 4 48 -48 54
35 16 12 5 60 -60 -6
36 21 R 12 6 72 216 144 138
37 18 R 11 1 11 36 25 163
Quote from: nextyear on Apr 17, 01:56 AM 2016
Notto & Celtic, many and much THANKS for your analyses and directions!
Some of us who are lost, may find the right way with you as guides!
If I find exit with your help, I will also find a way to thank you the right way...
Thank you for the kind words.
Sometimes I wonder if my posts are helping anyone.
-Celtic
I think everyones still looking at KTF ,,WTF----its just been a busy time w so many decent ideas out there---thanks for all of the info celtics
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 17, 04:49 PM 2016
I think everyones still looking at KTF ,,WTF----its just been a busy time w so many decent ideas out there---thanks for all of the info celtics
-Tomla
To be honest I used to play KTF now and again because it is basically mindless betting following the rules and quitting when you reach the Win/Stop.
My plan was to play KTF on the new wheels at my B&M, collect 40 numbers, and test them at home for betting Repeats
Unfortunately I can't play KTF now since my B&M installed the new wheels with a 30 second limit to place bets.
This reminds me of 30 years ago playing BJ and card counting giving me an advantage over the house then the rules changed, and then the number of decks increased, and then continuous shufflers showed up, and then they started 6/5 payouts on a BJ, and on and on and on. HE is still low on BJ but at the beginning of 2016 I thought I would check out Roulette and so far so good. I used to have flashbacks when GLC used to post and mention playing BJ in the same time period I was playing. I related to what he was saying so often.
I still play BJ when I want a rest from roulette or in the last two weeks when I could not play roulette at the B&M because there was none.
Anyways, always nice to hear from experienced players like yourself
Thank You.
- Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 17, 05:29 PM 2016
Unfortunately I can't play KTF now since my B&M installed the new wheels with a 30 second limit to place bets.
Its why I play so few numbers, so the casino will not have the upper hand over me. Some of the methods here look pretty in pink on paper but SHOULD be PLAYABLE at a REAL B&M CASINO.
Ken
jackpot247 18.4.16
1 7
2 23
3 5
4 14
5 4
6 15
7 3
8 35
9 30
10 32
11 26
12 26
13 6
14 20
15 20
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62 10
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Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 17, 04:08 PM 2016
Thank you for the kind words.
Sometimes I wonder if my posts are helping anyone.
-Celtic
Your posts helps more than you know! Big thanks for me as well!! I always learn something new reading your posts. Because I always run the numbers before reading your explanation.
Yes Celtic does a great job with his pay sheets, people just have to read what he says, its plain and simple.
To me the people who knock WTF are just sore as its an easy way to bet repeats and win.
jackpot247 22.4.16
1 7
2 25
3 34
4 33
5 24
6 22
7 30
8 34
9 28
10 30
11 16
12 28
13 0
14 36
15 10
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52 31
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jackpot247 21.4.16
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4 33
5 19
6 5
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8 29
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10 6
11 15
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13 33
14 34
15 3
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18 9
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38 17
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62 10
63 31
64 12
65 13
66 9
67 25
68 2
69 0
70 7
Can we add them to KTFPissa thread around KTF dozen as well?
Otherwise I can do it..
jackpot247 23.4.16
1 14
2 27
3 3
4 18
5 26
6 22
7 14
8 11
9 5
10 17
11 4
12 4
13 9
14 14
15 20
16 3
17 13
18 10
19 12
20 15
21 23
22 24
23 6
24 36
25 12
26 13
27 36
28 13
29 14
30 28
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34 35
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36 15
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38 6
39 31
40 20
41 32
42 8
43 10
44 27
45 2
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47 23
48 13
49 34
50 14
51 7
52 22
53 7
54 9
55 7
56 35
57 10
58 3
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60
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 23, 03:30 AM 2016
jackpot247 23.4.16
1 14
2 27
3 3
4 18
5 26
6 22
7 14
8 11
9 5
10 17
11 4
12 4
13 9
14 14
15 20
16 3
17 13
18 10
19 12
20 15
21 23
22 24
23 6
24 36
25 12
26 13
27 36
28 13
29 14
30 28
31 0
32 20
33 14
34 35
35 7
36 15
37 3
38 6
39 31
40 20
41 32
42 8
43 10
44 27
45 2
46 0
47 23
48 13
49 34
50 14
51 7
52 22
53 7
54 9
55 7
56 35
57 10
58 3
59
60
-Notto
Thank you for the numbers Notto.
I have not posted for a while but with todays numbers I thought it was time to say something because this is a great test for anyone wanting to play repeats properly.
More and more I have started to incorporate G.U.T. tracking into my betting decisions.
Here I would have started betting at spin 17.
After spin 20 I used to wait for either two more non-hits to come or the first repeat in the next 2 spins to come before continuing to bet.
Had I done that with these numbers I would still have had a profit of $61 at spin 27
If, however, I watch the GUT tracking and wait for a crossing after spin 20 I would have hit my Win/Stop and made $88 at spin 27.
The crossing happens at spin 23/24.
Just thought I would post this for those interested and following WTF.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 23, 10:13 AM 2016
If, however, I watch the GUT tracking and wait for a crossing after spin 20 I would have hit my Win/Stop and made $88 at spin 27.
The crossing happens at spin 23/24.
Thanks Celtic,
I see crossing 19-18 in spin 22 which become 18-19 in spin 23.
How did you get to your's $88 in spin 27?
1 14 36 1 0
2 27 35 2 0
3 3 34 3 0
4 18 33 4 0
5 26 32 5 0
6 22 31 6 0
7 14 31 5 1
8 11 30 6 1
9 5 29 7 1
10 17 28 8 1
11 4 27 9 1
12 4 27 8 2
13 9 26 9 2
14 14 26 9 2
15 20 25 10 2
16 3 25 9 3
17 13 24 10 3
18 10 23 11 3
19 12 22 12 3
20 15 21 13 3
21 23 20 14 3
22 24 19 15 3
23 6 18 16 3
24 36 17 17 3
25 12 17 16 4
26 13 17 15 5
27 36 17 14 6
28 13 17 14 6
29 14 17 14 6
30 28 16 15 6
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 23, 10:13 AM 2016
-Notto
Thank you for the numbers Notto.
I have not posted for a while but with todays numbers I thought it was time to say something because this is a great test for anyone wanting to play repeats properly.
More and more I have started to incorporate G.U.T. tracking into my betting decisions.
Here I would have started betting at spin 17.
After spin 20 I used to wait for either two more non-hits to come or the first repeat in the next 2 spins to come before continuing to bet.
Had I done that with these numbers I would still have had a profit of $61 at spin 27
If, however, I watch the GUT tracking and wait for a crossing after spin 20 I would have hit my Win/Stop and made $88 at spin 27.
The crossing happens at spin 23/24.
Just thought I would post this for those interested and following WTF.
-Celtic
This subject came up a few weeks ago.....you are giving out the RULES after you have seen the numbers, I'm confused. Any person can say they are in the plus AFTER seeing the numbers.
Ken
Celts has away to bet for a repeat which he started in KTF topic,so he dry tests to the Jackpot247.com airball numbers.
Is it sour grapes that he can find away to catch repeats for less than 18#'s.
(lol)...If everyone knows the rules already, then why say what he WOULD OF DONE AFTER seeing the numbers? Its like, I'll tell you what the high temperature is...from yesterday. Am I missing something here? I should take a sample of numbers from C Casino (dont know how many?) and post them one at a time, maybe one per day? Then tell me, PER DAY, what my next bets should be.
Ken
Quote from: nextyear on Apr 23, 01:11 PM 2016
Thanks Celtic,
I see crossing 19-18 in spin 22 which become 18-19 in spin 23.
How did you get to your's $88 in spin 27?
1 14 36 1 0
2 27 35 2 0
3 3 34 3 0
4 18 33 4 0
5 26 32 5 0
6 22 31 6 0
7 14 31 5 1
8 11 30 6 1
9 5 29 7 1
10 17 28 8 1
11 4 27 9 1
12 4 27 8 2
13 9 26 9 2
14 14 26 9 2 [color=red]-[b]-------- Tracking should be 26-8-2 [/b][/color]
15 20 25 10 2
16 3 25 9 3
17 13 24 10 3
18 10 23 11 3
19 12 22 12 3
20 15 21 13 3
21 23 20 14 3
22 24 19 15 3
23 6 18 16 3
24 36 17 17 3
25 12 17 16 4
26 13 17 15 5
27 36 17 14 6
28 13 17 14 6
29 14 17 14 6
30 28 16 15 6
-Nextyear
Please note error in your tracking at spin 14. I marked it above.
Also I started tracking for 37 numbers (I included the 0).
I attached a tracking sheet and included a payout sheet below.
Anyways, after the crossing I just continued betting starting at spin 25 and just bet all of the unhits that had come but not repeated yet.
I did not include these sheets initially because of the negativity that I thought they may have brought and look at what happened -mrj showed up with all his helpful comments. I have told him, and others like him in the past, that I will not respond to their nonsense no matter how hard they try and I have requested they do not comment on my posts.
I am not sure if they cannot read, don't understand plain english, or just feel their goal is to eventually drive everyone away from the forum.
-Celtic
JACKPOT 247 23APR16
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 14 X
2 27
3 3
4 18
5 26
6 22
7 14 R
8 11
9 5
10 17 9/10
11 4 X
12 4 R
13 9
14 14 R
15 20
16 3
17 13 Count is 8 +3
18 10 12 1 12 -12 -12
19 12 12 2 24 -24 -36
20 15 12 3 36 -36 -72
21 23 15 0 0 0 -72
22 24 15 0 0 0 -72
23 6 15 0 0 0 -72
24 36 15 0 0 0 -72
25 12 R 19 4 76 144 68 -4
26 13 R 18 3 54 108 54 50
27 36 R 17 2 34 72 38 88
28 13 RX 16 1 16 -16 72
29 14 RX 16 2 32 -32 40
30 28 16 3 48 -48 -8
31 0 16 4 64 -64 -72
32 20 R 16 5 80 180 100 28
33 14 RX 15 4 60 -60 -32
34 35 15 5 75 -75 -107
35 7 15 6 90 -90 -197
36 15 R 15 7 105 252 147 -50
37 3 R 14 6 84 216 132 82
RX DESIGNATES REPEATS THAT HAVE ALREADY HIT
Yes and no. I look all sessions as how I would play them. Knowing all the numbers make no difference. If one cannot do that , they certainly can't win on roulette. The wheel will soon tell them ....
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 23, 04:37 PM 2016
Celts has away to bet for a repeat which he started in KTF topic,so he dry tests to the Jackpot247.com airball numbers.
Is it sour grapes that he can find away to catch repeats for less than 18#'s.
-Notto
Thank You
-Celtic
"I did not include these sheets initially because of the negativity that I thought they may have brought and look at what happened -mrj showed up with all his helpful comments. I have told him, and others like him in the past, that I will not respond to their nonsense no matter how hard they try and I have requested they do not comment on my posts" >> Ummmmmmm, it was a question bro. Questions happen everyday. So its a hostage situation? If you feel negativity, you wont post? (lol)
You won't win with your systems, sorry, them the facts.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 06:24 PM 2016
"I did not include these sheets initially because of the negativity that I thought they may have brought and look at what happened -mrj showed up with all his helpful comments. I have told him, and others like him in the past, that I will not respond to their nonsense no matter how hard they try and I have requested they do not comment on my posts" >> Ummmmmmm, it was a question bro. Questions happen everyday. So its a hostage situation? If you feel negativity, you wont post? (lol)
You won't win with your systems, sorry, them the facts.
Ken
"you won't win" is a blanket statement and you do not know that
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 06:24 PM 2016
You won't win with your systems, sorry, them the facts.
Ken
How about tracking a rolling 20- 23 spins. Bet each number that has hit 2 times. For a max of 4 numbers? Flat. Each time your number drops out that 23...let it go. Sounds good ?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 23, 06:56 PM 2016
"you won't win" is a blanket statement and you do not know that
Ok....you might win on Tuesday. Better?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 03:12 PM 2016
This subject came up a few weeks ago.....you are giving out the RULES after you have seen the numbers, I'm confused. Any person can say they are in the plus AFTER seeing the numbers.
Ken
not arguing with you
just pointing out that you are wrong
celtic plays with a count
at spin 17 is when he would have started to bet....thats all
not curve fitted
he watches the count and begins at the right time
your interpretation is NOT correct he is not curve fitting at all.....that is the idea you and general have beaten into the head
saying i would have began at 17, then sat out until 2 unhits came is not after rules...thats how he was playing it at the time based on the count!!
NO!!
I am asking, why are others asking him the SAME things you have just posted?
If they know the rules, why say.....I would of done this and would of done that....BAM, +31 units!!
Ken
this is not ktf...this is something diff
some play it differently
celtic was stating how he would have played that session
Post 40 numbers for me, I'll tell ya what I would of bet. (lol)
Relax, 30 more minutes until leaving for the *CASINO*, enjoy your night.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 07:32 PM 2016
Post 40 numbers for me, I'll tell ya what I would of bet. (lol)
Relax, 30 more minutes until leaving for the *CASINO*, enjoy your night.
Ken
its so easy to explain that i cant even figure out how anymore
he wasnt curve fitting it
he was starting at 17 based on the count, then at spin 20 waits for 2 unhits....thats how he played that session
not going back after the fact and making it win
why are u not understanding this
No answer Ken ? I'm curious about your thoughts :)
Show me a post where I said...curve fitting. (20 more minutes)
Ken
im sticking up for celtic and notto because they dont deserve whats thrown their way they do a good job
I'm sorry, my mistake. A casino is this large building with lots of color and noise going on. Many games of chance there along with spirits and food.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 23, 07:41 PM 2016
im sticking up for celtic and notto because they dont deserve whats thrown their way they do a good job
....and the curve fitting remark from me? Can you point that out for us?
Ken
I know boards.....there are like 6 guys on a mad scramble searching my posts. I'm right on that, as usual. (lol)
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 07:43 PM 2016
....and the curve fitting remark from me? Can you point that out for us?
Ken
whatever. not the wording that matters
you were saying he went back after the fact and made it win
thats what you were insinuating.
and you were wrong. so im standing up for him
your a mod man act like it......
And you're suppose to be an adult, act like it. Just so I understand...everyone KNOWS the exact rules, correct?
So, will we see more *PAST* number groups followed by...."I would of won 471 units with those numbers"!?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 07:52 PM 2016
And you're suppose to be an adult, act like it. Just so I understand...everyone KNOWS the exact rules, correct?
So, will we see more *PAST* number groups followed by...."I would of won 471 units with those numbers"!?
Ken
this is not ktf
some are playing it differently
celtic was showing how he would have played that set his way
you havent read the thread thats why
Is that the JackJoy casino (whatever its called)?
Ken
you are giving people a hard time....whatever
i digress
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 23, 07:41 PM 2016
im sticking up for celtic and notto because they dont deserve whats thrown their way they do a good job
Thank you for that RG.
-Celtic
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 07:57 PM 2016
Is that the JackJoy casino (whatever its called)?
Ken
Doesn't matter. We can't play it. They not allow players from outside the UK. I've tried.
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 23, 07:59 PM 2016
Thank you for that RG.
-Celtic
the people that give others a hard time there are usually 2 requirements: the one getting the hard time is the one posting charts and proof and profits, the one giving the hard time does not post anything worth while anymore! the general for example?
dont tell someone their method wont work when they post their sheet every single day...enough is enough.....stop hating!
give the people a hard time that post results and methods and sheets?
what the hell sense does that make its what the forum is for. its the testing section i might point out to
(link:://:.reactiongifs.com/r/wtthll.gif)
i will give credit where credit is due
mr j plays for a living i believe
that takes guts
credit for that
but dont be a male sausage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 23, 08:21 PM 2016
i will give credit where credit is due
mr j plays for a living i believe
that takes guts
credit for that
but dont be a male sausage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No evidence that MrJ actually plays for a living, so "believe" is the appropriate term. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 23, 08:39 PM 2016
No evidence that MrJ actually plays for a living, so "believe" is the appropriate term. :thumbsup:
however there is PLENTY of evidence notto does well with KTF
(link:://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Tom-Cruise-Puts-on-Sunglasses-Top-Gun.gif)
i have to laugh
my above post was edited to say "male sausage" LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO
is a male sausage diff from a female sausage
show me the sausage differences
LMAOOOOOOOOO
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 03:12 PM 2016
This subject came up a few weeks ago.....you are giving out the RULES after you have seen the numbers, I'm confused. Any person can say they are in the plus AFTER seeing the numbers.
Ken
I also stand up for Celtics and nottophammer.
I think your comments are strange. So for me I play all the numbers on paper and then I compare it how Celticknits and nottophammer should have played it. But that is learning process not curve fitting?
Why can't you play the numbers with your 1-4 number method? Would be interesting to see how you should play it. Thanks!
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 24, 01:41 AM 2016
I also stand up for Celtics and Nottophammer.
Shame that we have to raise hands and explain what is going on here!
Quote from: nextyear on Apr 24, 04:23 AM 2016
Shame that we have to raise hands and explain what is going on here!
Yes I agree. It's a method that works so maybe that is the reason..
Better to help out and make the method even better!
Thanks tuddilue,nextyear and others.
I only posted about KTF as it is so simple to play and makes you profit. For me it was 50/60 units. A few suggsted take an earlier win, which makes good sense.
Jackpot247.com numbers i posted to show, i even told where they would come from so others could say yes thats what i see.
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 24, 04:27 AM 2016
Yes I agree. It's a method that works so maybe that is the reason..
Better to help out and make the method even better!
It works so he snakes out Of the woodwork
Because he cant play it at his live dealer
I wont sit back and read rubbish
Hard work is at hand here.
A working method. It works. And some people cant stand it!!!!
Thats it. A method that works and a few people hate it. Thorns on a rose bush
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 23, 08:39 PM 2016
No evidence that MrJ actually plays for a living, so "believe" is the appropriate term. :thumbsup:
100% correct. If I'm gonna say that about you, the definition needs to be the same, I agree. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Ken
Unfortunately, the method doesn't work. It only appears to work because of the unintentional curve fitting within the testing.
Mathematically the player can't step outside of probability by just tracking on the sidelines because the payout will always be less than what the probabilty an event dictates as being fair.
For example... The probability of winning is 1 in 38 but the payout is short at 35 to 1. So using probability to beat the random game is a foolish waste of time. This is what the law of the third is... a game of probability that still leaves the house edge intact.
You should focus your attention on beating the wheel, rather than the random game if you want to win in the long run.
And yes, if you post the rules of your game I can simulate it for you.
I can show how many standard deviations the win/ loss is, the max drawdown, daily loss win, edge, etc.
Quote from: The General on Apr 24, 12:12 PM 2016
Unfortunately, the method doesn't work. It only appears to work because of the unintentional curve fitting within the testing.
Mathematically the player can't step outside of probability by just tracking on the sidelines because the payout will always be less than what the probabilty an event dictates as being fair.
For example... The probability of winning is 1 in 38 but the payout is short at 35 to 1. So using probability to beat the random game is a foolish waste of time. This is what the law of the third is... a game of probability that still leaves the house edge intact.
You should focus your attention on beating the wheel, rather than the random game if you want to win in the long run.
Great post as usual General sir, thanks!!
Ken
Quote from: The General on Apr 24, 12:14 PM 2016
And yes, if you post the rules of your game I can simulate it for you.
I can show how many standard deviations the win/ loss is, the max drawdown, daily loss win, edge, etc.
That's a very generous offer. I think whoever is owning this thread should provide the rule and close this cat and mouse game once for all.
Quote from: The General on Apr 24, 12:12 PM 2016
Unfortunately, the method doesn't work. It only appears to work because of the unintentional curve fitting within the testing.
Mathematically the player can't step outside of probability by just tracking on the sidelines because the payout will always be less than what the probabilty an event dictates as being fair.
For example... The probability of winning is 1 in 38 but the payout is short at 35 to 1. So using probability to beat the random game is a foolish waste of time. This is what the law of the third is... a game of probability that still leaves the house edge intact.
You should focus your attention on beating the wheel, rather than the random game if you want to win in the long run. Thats what KTF does General it starts with all 37 pockets DUE and then just bets the non-hit, its not using the mat, CAN YOU HEAR IT PLAYS THE WHEEL
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 24, 12:21 PM 2016
notto
honestly
who cares what the general thinks....he will be gone soon once he starts playing again
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 24, 12:17 PM 2016
That's a very generous offer. I think whoever is owning this thread should provide the rule and close this cat and mouse game once for all.
-Priyanka
Some seem to be confused about what WTF is so I will say once again ------
Betting repeats with WTF was NEVER a method or system but rather a STRATEGY to help make better informed betting decisions using
1) The Count,
2) Notto's Averages Sheet(s) for the Jackpot 247 number listings,
3) LOTT, and
4) Winkels G.U.T strategy. -Which according to the general is silly as referenced here
Re: Finals Anyone ?
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2016, 03:51:22 AM »
Winkel's system was silly.
--- Continuing on ----
Several posts ago Notto made a very important point, in the KTF thread, about the averages sheet and said that players should do their own averages sheet for the wheel they are playing.
WTF followers would be wise to read and heed this advice.
If you want rules to go with the WTF Strategy they would be:
1) Play with an $800 BR
2) Play within a 37-38 spin cycle
Before the WTF thread started, back in the KTF postings, many people suggested that I start a thread to discuss how I was betting repeats.
I hope that the members that made these suggestions can now understand why I was not interested.
If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
Thank you for your time.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 06:40 PM 2016
-Priyanka
Some seem to be confused about what WTF is so I will say once again ------
Betting repeats with WTF was NEVER a method or system but rather a STRATEGY to help make better informed betting decisions using
1) The Count,
2) Notto's Averages Sheet(s) for the Jackpot 247 number listings,
3) LOTT, and
4) Winkels G.U.T strategy. -Which according to the general is silly as referenced here
Re: Finals Anyone ?
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2016, 03:51:22 AM »
Winkel's system was silly.
--- Continuing on ----
Several posts ago Notto made a very important point, in the KTF thread, about the averages sheet and said that players should do their own averages sheet for the wheel they are playing.
WTF followers would be wise to read and heed this advice.
If you want rules to go with the WTF Strategy they would be:
1) Play with an $800 BR
2) Play within a 37-38 spin cycle
Before the WTF thread started, back in the KTF postings, many people suggested that I start a thread to discuss how I was betting repeats.
I hope that the members that made these suggestions can now understand why I was not interested.
If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
-Celtic
Thats what J did not understand
Like talkin to a wall
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 06:40 PM 2016
If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
Thanks Celtic. No wonder people talk about curve fitting.
Personally, I dont really differentiate between a strategy and a method or a system. Unless it is triggered based on intuition or precognition, every strategy will have a decision point based on some set of events happening or not happening. It could be count of 8+3, it could be 3 repeaters so on and so forth. Once you know what kind of events are in play, you might be playing with one set of events like count of 8+3 and if such and such event happens i bet, while another one might play with count of 9+4 and if such and such event happens. One set of strategy could divulge into multiple methods. But am sure you might be playing with a set of decision points and events. If you are changing the decision point itself for every session it is curvefitting. If you are not, but you dont wish to divulge what those decision points are then it is privacy and has to be respected. Its all in how you see it.
Again, General has a very valid and generous offer. If the decision points are not private, then he has a good proposition to end this slang bang.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 24, 06:59 PM 2016
Thanks Celtic. No wonder people talk about curve fitting.
Personally, I dont really differentiate between a strategy and a method or a system. Unless it is triggered based on intuition or precognition, every strategy will have a decision point based on some set of events happening or not happening. It could be count of 8+3, it could be 3 repeaters so on and so forth. Once you know what kind of events are in play, you might be playing with one set of events like count of 8+3 and if such and such event happens i bet, while another one might play with count of 9+4 and if such and such event happens. One set of strategy could divulge into multiple methods. But am sure you might be playing with a set of decision points and events. If you are changing the decision point itself for every session it is curvefitting. If you are not, but you dont wish to divulge what those decision points are then it is privacy and has to be respected. Its all in how you see it.
Again, General has a very valid and generous offer. If the decision points are not private, then he has a good proposition to end this slang bang.
-Priyanka
Yes the decision points I use are private and will not be posted but people should arrive at their own based on the wheel they are playing.
Practice practice practice.
Nottos daily Jackpot247 numbers are a great tool and I think his advice about doing your own averages sheet was a great suggestion.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 07:22 PM 2016
Yes the decision points I use are private and will not be posted
That settles things. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 24, 07:41 PM 2016
That settles things. :thumbsup:
Only time will tell but if the past is any example I doubt it :wink:
-Celtic
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 06:42 PM 2016
Thats what J did not understand
Like talkin to a wall
Ok, we'll use the word strategy, cool? Do you RG (or anyone) feel that KTF is a VERY VERY good (great?) strategy? Once again, I'll get a question to a question, thats the norm here. (We'll see if I get an answer or not).
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 08:17 PM 2016
Ok, we'll use the word strategy, cool? Do you RG (or anyone) feel that KTF is a VERY VERY good (great?) strategy? Once again, I'll get a question to a question, thats the norm here. (We'll see if I get an answer or not).
Ken
Look at nottos sheets and decide for yourself
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 08:27 PM 2016
Look at nottos sheets and decide for yourself
Geez, you and theflaw really have something in common. Tap dancing around *SIMPLE* questions.
I'm asking YOU directly. Be careful of your answer, you already know what comes after that ;)
Ken
You will never use this forum for its intended purpose.
I know it
I dont care if KTF was the worst thing ever. At least the forum is being used properly
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 08:17 PM 2016
Ok, we'll use the word strategy, cool? Do you RG (or anyone) feel that KTF is a VERY VERY good (great?) strategy? Once again, I'll get a question to a question, thats the norm here. (We'll see if I get an answer or not).
Ken
This is great :twisted:
You're right about getting a question:
Why are you posting about KTF in the WTF thread?
And by the way KTF is not a strategy --- it has a set of rules to be followed.
Repost in KTF and I'll give you an answer not a question.
-Celtic
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 08:39 PM 2016
You will never use this forum for its intended purpose.
I know it
I dont care if KTF was the worst thing ever. At least the forum is being used properly
To dance around a fire and chant HOLY GRAIL, HOLY GRAIL....?
Wrong, that is NOT the intended purpose of the forum. I have 100000% more respect for Ignatus, he at least posts methods and he leaves it alone. Dont forget RG, there are ADVANTAGES to not being a mod. You think you dont like me now? I'm on semi-restraints, dont forget that sir.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 08:46 PM 2016
To dance around a fire and chant HOLY GRAIL, HOLY GRAIL....?
Wrong, that is NOT the intended purpose of the forum. I have 100000% more respect for Ignatus, he at least posts methods and he leaves it alone. Dont forget RG, there are ADVANTAGES to not being a mod. You think you dont like me now? I'm on semi-restraints, dont forget that sir.
Ken
enough
seriously
i dont care
now enough is enough
i dont care if your a mod, not a mod
couldnt care
who chanted holy grail? you have lost it man
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 08:44 PM 2016
This is great :twisted:
You're right about getting a question:
Why are you posting about KTF in the WTF thread?
And by the way KTF is not a strategy --- it has a set of rules to be followed.
Repost in KTF and I'll give you an answer not a question.
-Celtic
Ok, WTF, not KTF (I cant keep track of 14 different HGs here). Post #423, its called a strategy twice by you. So its not a strategy?
Ken
this is ridiculous now
you are a ridiculous moderator
seriously
If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
Thank you for your time.
-Celtic
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 08:54 PM 2016
this is ridiculous now
you are a ridiculous moderator
seriously
Something just occurred to me RG. All of these slams against me today, pics etc., and I didn't fall for IT this time. No deleting or editing on my part (as instructed by Steve). On to plan B perhaps?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 08:56 PM 2016
Something just occurred to me RG. All of these slams against me today, pics etc., and I didn't fall for IT this time. No deleting or editing on my part (as instructed by Steve). On to plan B perhaps?
Ken
least you admit to editing and deleting to fit your agenda
took Steve to tell you for you to stop
class act
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 08:54 PM 2016
If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
Thank you for your time.
-Celtic
Where would we be without all of Ken's teachings? :sad2:
............reminds me of a few other posters from the past who had so much to teach us all............wonder where they are now? :question:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 08:57 PM 2016
least you admit to editing and deleting to fit your agenda
Read my post again most excellent sir (no foul language).
Ken
this is nowhere near worth it
goodbye
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 24, 08:58 PM 2016
Where would we be without all of Ken's teachings? :sad2:
............reminds me of a few other posters from the past who had so much to teach us all............wonder where they are now? :question:
Another slam against me from theflaw, no worries, no editing here. Funny though, any other forum and it would be a 14 day ban.
Ken
I'm in a giving mood, I'm a fair guy. Here is my FAIR offer >> If I can get ONE answer from any of the crew, I'll drop it. Heck, I'll delete the entire thread if you wish? No goofy answers like.....eggs for breakfast. "Ok Ken, I answered". Nope, an HONEST (that'll be tough here) answer to my question from ONE of the crew. Anyone?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:00 PM 2016
Another slam against me from theflaw, no worries, no editing here. Funny though, any other forum and it would be a 14 day ban.
Ken
Wow Ken........you're really feeling your Wheaties with all of these veiled threats..........wonder what the current count is....... :question:
Speaking of bans.........how long would a mod be banned for attacking other members?...........looks like we're all getting special treatment! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 24, 09:04 PM 2016
Wow Ken........you're really feeling your Wheaties with all of these veiled threats..........wonder what the current count is....... :question:
Speaking of bans.........how long would a mod be banned for attacking other members?...........looks like we're all getting special treatment! :thumbsup:
What was the threat in my post? :thumbsup: Help me out. (he wont answer). :sad2: You dont get the luxury 8) of attacking a mod and then when the mod responds.....you kick back and say, hey you cant say that, you're a mod. O0 You dont get to have it BOTH ways.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 08:52 PM 2016
Ok, WTF, not KTF (I cant keep track of 14 different HGs here). Post #423, its called a strategy twice by you. So its not a strategy?
Ken
You know usually people have to pay for this kind of entertainment.
Yes I did and will continue to call WTF a strategy because it is and Post 423 is about WTF not KTF.
OK try this.
This is the WTF thread.
WTF IS NOT A SYSTEM OR METHOD IT IS A STRATEGY as stated in Post 423
KTF IS NOT A STRATEGY and as you know is a seperate thread.
-Celtic
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:07 PM 2016
What was the threat in my post? :thumbsup: Help me out. (he wont answer). :sad2: You dont get the luxury 8) of attacking a mod and then when the mod responds.....you kick back and say, hey you cant say that, you're a mod. O0 You dont get to have it BOTH ways.
Ken
You're right..........I wasn't playing fair..........since Steve took away your deleting privileges.......you're just like us common folk.
I'll try to be more gentle moving forward.........as now you don't have the power to edit the threads........ :thumbsup:
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 08:54 PM 2016
If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
Thank you for your time.
-Celtic
Yes it is.
What is your point.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 09:11 PM 2016
You know usually people have to pay for this kind of entertainment.
Yes I did and will continue to call WTF a strategy because it is and Post 423 is about WTF not KTF.
OK try this.
This is the WTF thread.
WTF IS NOT A SYSTEM OR METHOD IT IS A STRATEGY as stated in Post 423
KTF IS NOT A STRATEGY and as you know is a seperate thread.
-Celtic
we knew the hijacking of a good thread and degradation would be from him or general
(link:://img.pandawhale.com/post-26678-he-doesnt-get-it-gif-Imgur-ATT-f79X.gif)
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 24, 09:13 PM 2016
You're right..........I wasn't playing fair..........since Steve took away your deleting privileges.......you're just like us common folk.
I'll try to be more gentle moving forward.........as now you don't have the power to edit the threads........ :thumbsup:
No no no, I do have have the "power" to edit/delete but I dont :twisted: per Steve's instructions. You're not doing too well today theflaw. :thumbsup: My threats as you described are what?
Ken
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 09:15 PM 2016
Yes it is.
What is your point.
-Celtic
I was quoting you after you said it was NOT a strategy but indeed it is (your words). I was a bit confused, thanks for the clarification sir.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:03 PM 2016
I'm in a giving mood, I'm a fair guy. Here is my FAIR offer >> If I can get ONE answer from any of the crew, I'll drop it. Heck, I'll delete the entire thread if you wish? No goofy answers like.....eggs for breakfast. "Ok Ken, I answered". Nope, an HONEST (that'll be tough here) answer to my question from ONE of the crew. Anyone?
Ken
Not one?
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:19 PM 2016
I was quoting you after you said it was NOT a strategy but indeed it is (your words). I was a bit confused, thanks for the clarification sir.
Ken
Where did I say WTF was not a strategy?
-Celtic
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:17 PM 2016
No no no, I do have have the "power" to edit/delete but I dont :twisted: per Steve's instructions. You're not doing too well today theflaw. :thumbsup: My threats as you described are what?
Ken
So now name-calling is acceptable by a mod...........wow........just wow........ :ooh:
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 24, 09:23 PM 2016
So now name-calling is acceptable by a mod...........wow........just wow........ :ooh:
Again, you dont get the luxury of ATTACKING a mod, then get goofy when the mod responds back. Thats more of a WoV type of thing. BTW, you didn't answer me.....what were my threats? You didn't think I forgot about that, did you? (lol)
Ken
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 09:22 PM 2016
Where did I say WTF was not a strategy?
-Celtic
Are you having a nervous break-down? Can you pretty please make up your mind, strategy or not a strategy or does it depend on what day of the week it is? Its your definition, YOU get to choose it, not me.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:26 PM 2016
Again, you dont get the luxury of ATTACKING a mod, then get goofy when the mod responds back. Thats more of a WoV type of thing. BTW, you didn't answer me.....what were my threats? You didn't think I forgot about that, did you? (lol)
Ken
......like what you did there......re-branding yet again........changed from "attack" to "respond".
Name-calling is a standard "response"? :question:
I get it now........you can only "respond" or "teach", but others "attack".............makes sense. :ooh:
this
is making
my eyes bleed
this is absolutely ridiculous
Ken you cannot be for real
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 24, 09:35 PM 2016
......like what you did there......re-branding yet again........changed from "attack" to "respond".
Name-calling is a standard "response"? :question:
I get it now........you can only "respond" or "teach", but others "attack".............makes sense. :ooh:
You stated in my post (one of these posts, lol)...my "threats". I'm asking you to NAME the threat(s).
Misdirection yet again from theflaw. He points left, all the while he heads to the right. Thats old school BS, get new material.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 09:38 PM 2016
this
is making
my eyes bleed
this is absolutely ridiculous
Ken you cannot be for real
You stated a few minutes back that you were DONE for the night on this thread, yet, here you are.
I posted my FAIR offer....any takers yet?
Ken
Looks like Ken is abusing his power:
The reporter has made the following comment:
"Ken has now resorted to name calling..........don't mind criticism, but he's trying to start a fire - thanks!" - this is from me - theLaw to a mod (a fantasy apparently)
>> if you think me calling you theflaw is gonna get you far, good luck with that kind sir.
Ken
Well.........that about sums it up...........who would have expected that type of behaviour from a mod?............oh wait...........never-mind. :yawn:
(link:://:.reactiongifs.com/r/cut.gif)
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:33 PM 2016
Are you having a nervous break-down? Can you pretty please make up your mind, strategy or not a strategy or does it depend on what day of the week it is? Its your definition, YOU get to choose it, not me.
Ken
Breakdown ... NAW ... actually, I'm having fun.
AGAIN ---- YES WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
I just want you to point me to where I said WTF wasn't a strategy because that would be an error on my behalf and I would like to correct it.
-Celtic
link:://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/10054-possibly-a-winner-finally/3/
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 24, 09:40 PM 2016
Looks like Ken is abusing his power:
The reporter has made the following comment:
"Ken has now resorted to name calling..........don't mind criticism, but he's trying to start a fire - thanks!" - this is from me - theLaw to a mod (a fantasy apparently)
>> if you think me calling you theflaw is gonna get you far, good luck with that kind sir.
Ken
Well.........that about sums it up...........who would have expected that type of behaviour from a mod?............oh wait...........never-mind. :yawn:
(roflmao).....do you think anything I post, PM, email is private? You have to do much much better than that. Where are those "threats" you posted about? Still waiting on that.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 24, 09:47 PM 2016
link:://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/10054-possibly-a-winner-finally/3/
Will you answer my question RG?
Ken
Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 24, 09:44 PM 2016
Breakdown ... NAW ... actually, I'm having fun.
AGAIN ---- YES WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!
I just want you to point me to where I said WTF wasn't a strategy because that would be an error on my behalf and I would like to correct it.
-Celtic
....or maybe it was corrected? :thumbsup:
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 24, 09:58 PM 2016
....or maybe it was corrected? :thumbsup:
Ken
Not by me.
If I had said that WTF was not a strategy in post 423 I am sure Priyanka would have noticed it and said something.
All seems to be right with the definitions now.
-Celtic
I think he toke the wrong pills. He needs calming pills for going to the big building with all the flashy lights. :twisted:
We could chip in for some new glasses though. :P
Todays for your curve fitting :lol:
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Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 25, 06:43 AM 2016
Todays for your curve fitting :lol:
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Thank you Notto
Here is the payout sheet betting repeats.
JACKPOT247 25APR16
Repeats using Count, Notto's Averages, LOTT & G.U.T
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 18
2 10
3 24
4 34
5 31
6 29
7 6
8 14
9 26
10 10 R 9/10
11 5
12 3
13 15
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15 5 R
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19 25
20 1 Count is 9 +4 Tracking is 20-16-2
21 22
22 5 RX
23 26 R 17 1 17 36 19 19
24 34 R 16 1 16 36 20 39
25 31 R 15 1 15 36 21 60
26 3 R 14 1 14 36 22 82 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
27 27 13 1 13 -13 69
28 30 13 2 26 -26 43
29 23 13 3 39 -39 4
30 0 13 4 52 -52 -48
31 5 RX 13 5 65 -65 -113
32 7 13 6 78 -78 -191
33 10 RX 13 7 91 -91 -282
34 35 13 8 104 -104 -386
35 18 R 13 9 117 324 207 -179
36 23 RX 12 8 96 -96 -275
37 1 R 11 7 77 252 175 -100
NOTE: RX indicates Repeats hit more than once
Thank you Notto & Celtic.
For some of us this is priceless info!
Quote from: nextyear on Apr 25, 09:09 AM 2016
Thank you Notto & Celtic.
For some of us this is priceless info!
Glad it is helping.
-Celtic
Quote from: denzie on Apr 25, 01:25 AM 2016
I think he toke the wrong pills. He needs calming pills for going to the big building with all the flashy lights. :twisted:
We could chip in for some new glasses though. :P
Here is another for you RG. So I'm not suppose to respond according to your rules, am I correct?
I dont see a post from you to denzie....stop it man, enough is enough. Why not?
Ken
Program only aired for 79 minutes so not many spins.
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Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 26, 05:34 AM 2016
Program only aired for 79 minutes so not many spins.
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15 14
16 1
17 18
18 1
19 15
20 27
21 23
22 36
23 12
24 20
25 22
26 36
27 35
28 0
29 26
30 6
31 25
32 12
33 14
34 20
35 6
36 26
37 16
38 4
39 0
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
Thanks for the numbers Notto.
OK time for you guys to try this.
Note that this session depends more on the Count, LOTT and Nottos averages than G.U.T.
If you have been following WTF you should be able to get $80 profit (I covered the 0) or $87 if you do not cover the 0, in 4 spins once you start betting.
Ill give you a hint how to start ----- With 5 repeats in the first 20 spins you should realize that you have to do a reset but even earlier after spin 10 the 3 repeats so far should have told you to reset then.
-Celtic
Thanks Celt, lots of hints...
Let's see who was listening in class!
Todays #'s
jackpot247 27.4.16
1 0
2 8
3 27
4 30
5 15
6 30
7 24
8 0
9 0
10 18
11 2
12 9
13 16
14 1
15 22
16 10
17 24
18 13
19 28
20 7
21 19
22 22
23 24
24 12
25 10
26 33
27 17
28 20
29 35
30 14
31 22
32 8
33 12
34 12
35 9
36 24
37 35
38 7
39 8
40 16
41 4
42 7
43 30
44 24
45 13
46 6
47 31
48 6
49 29
50 30
51 17
52 36
53 28
54 21
55 6
56 9
57 9
58 29
59 24
60 28
61 5
62 26
63 18
64 9
65 10
66 28
67 2
68 14
69 29
70 23
71 3
72 26
73 13
74 28
75 24
76 28
77 28
78 25
79 20
80 30
81 20
82 26
83 23
1s and 2s
:love:
Had a rare visit to the B+M, used the airball, interblock. Single zero RG :thumbsup:
Aspers mk 27.04.16
1 12
2 12
3 11
4 4
5 19
6 14
7 25
8 16
9 16
10 1
11 12
12 29
13 15
14 28
15 34
16 9
17 24
18 6
19 8
20 2
21 36
22 2
23 22
24 33
25 35
26 36
27 9
28 8
29 1
30 33
31 11
32 13
33 6
34 34
35 35
36 9
37 22
38 11
39 18
40 35
41 3
42 34
43 15
44 31
45 6
46 15
47 4
48 36
49 10
50 12
51 14
52 0
53 25
54 24
55 23
56 30
57 23
58 5
59 32
60 24
61 24
62 13
63 33
64 16
65 29
66 21
67 29
68 27
69 18
70 34
71 5
72 36
73 34
74 35
75 26
76 17
77 20
78 2
79 27
80 35
81 20
82 18
83 9
84 8
85 21
86 16
87 15
88 26
89 0
90 0
91 27
92 0
jackpot247 29.4.16
1 12
2 2
3 31
4 24
5 22
6 14
7 23
8 33
9 34
10 30
11 17
12 33
13 11
14 14
15 8
16 6
17 21
18 5
19 20
20 4
21 10
22 25
23 25
24 6
25 22
26 16
27 14
28 21
29 19
30 11
31 7
32 28
33 4
34 2
35 26
36 8
37 29
38 36
39 30
40 1
41 14
42 12
43 28
44 18
45 24
46 19
47 24
48 29
49 35
50 16
51 5
52 4
53 8
54 35
55 13
56 11
57 11
58 17
59 31
60 13
61 5
62 18
63 22
64 6
65 4
66 25
67 20
68 19
69 12
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 27, 01:35 PM 2016
Had a rare visit to the B+M, used the airball, interblock. Single zero RG :thumbsup:
Aspers mk 27.04.16
1 12
2 12
3 11
4 4
5 19
6 14
7 25
8 16
9 16
10 1
11 12
12 29
13 15
14 28
15 34
16 9
17 24
18 6
19 8
20 2
21 36
22 2
23 22
24 33
25 35
26 36
27 9
28 8
29 1
30 33
31 11
32 13
33 6
34 34
35 35
36 9
37 22
38 11
39 18
40 35
41 3
42 34
43 15
44 31
45 6
46 15
47 4
48 36
49 10
50 12
51 14
52 0
53 25
54 24
55 23
56 30
57 23
58 5
59 32
60 24
61 24
62 13
63 33
64 16
65 29
66 21
67 29
68 27
69 18
70 34
71 5
72 36
73 34
74 35
75 26
76 17
77 20
78 2
79 27
80 35
81 20
82 18
83 9
84 8
85 21
86 16
87 15
88 26
89 0
90 0
91 27
92 0
-Notto Thanks for the numbers.
Here is my payout sheet as I normally would have played it.
I say normally because actually I would have played this using only G.U.T. if I had been in a casino but I don't need the wrath of the keepers of the curve coming back to criticize.
It wins either way.
-Celtic
ASPERS 27APR16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 12
2 12 R
3 11
4 4
5 19
6 14
7 25
8 16
9 16 R
10 1 8/10
11 11 R
12 29
13 15
14 28
15 34
16 9
17 24
18 6
19 8
20 2 Count is 9 +4 Wait for 2 Unhits or Next R in 2 spins
21 36
22 2 R
23 22 15 1 15 -15 -15
24 33 15 2 30 -30 -45
25 35 15 3 45 -45 -90 ---------- Did a countback to add 3 Unhits
26 36 R1 18 4 72 144 72 -18 ---------- NOTE: G.U.T track is 17-17-5 --- Here come the Repeats
27 9 R1 17 3 51 108 57 39
28 8 R1 16 2 32 72 40 79 ---------- Win/Stop reached so QUIT
29 1 R1 15 1 15 36 21 100
30 33 R1 14 1 14 36 22 122
31 11 RX 13 1 13 -13 109
32 13 13 2 26 72 46 155
33 6 R1 13 1 13 36 23 178
34 34 R1 12 1 12 36 24 202
35 35 R1 11 1 11 36 25 227
36 9 RX 10 1 10 -10 217
37 22 R1 10 2 20 72 52 269
NOTE: RX Designates numbers already repeated
In tribute to Notto here is the repeats payout sheet for his last set of Jackpot247 for a while.
I for one will miss him until/if he returns.
He is a great mentor and friend.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 30APR16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 16
2 17
3 9
4 8
5 30
6 20
7 23
8 35
9 18
10 32 10/10
11 21
12 8 R
13 7
14 15
15 5
16 14
17 14 R
18 2
19 34
20 20 R 7 +2
21 14 RX 15 1 15 -15 -15
22 13 15 2 30 -30 -45
23 8 RX 15 3 45 -45 -90
24 15 R 14 4 56 144 88 -2
25 3 14 3 42 -42 -44
26 29 14 4 56 -56 -100
27 21 R 14 5 70 180 110 10
28 35 R 13 4 52 144 92 102 --- Win/Stop reached so quit
29 0 R 12 1 12 36 24 126
30 32 R 11 1 11 36 25 151
31 26 10 1 10 -10 -10
32 22 10 2 20 -20 -20
33 19 10 3 30 -30 -30
34 5 R 10 4 40 144 104 104
35 0 RX 9 3 27 -27 -27
36 6 9 4 36 -36 -36
37 6 RX 9 5 45 -45 -45
NOTE: RX Designates numbers already repeated
Well I have finally come up with a strategy for betting the new Fusion Airball machines at my B&M.
After over 100 test runs I discovered that in looking at the Averages and LOTT the average unhits in a cycle is higher, the number of repeats in a cycle is lower and the number of multiple repeats in a cycle is higher. --- How the hell they are controlling this I do not know.
NOTTO STATED A WHILE AGO THAT PEOPLE SHOULD WORK OUT THE AVERAGES FOR THE MACHINES THEY ARE USING.
THIS FACT AND SWITCHING TO RELYING ON G.U.T. FOR MY BETTING ENTRY POINT HAS PUT ME BACK IN THE GAME.
Now I am ONLY using G.U.T. to arrive at a betting entry point.
After I start betting I watch the Count, Averages and LOTT --- AS THEY RELATE TO THESE MACHINES
I no longer covering the 0 and 00 if they are not in the original betting sequence.
I am still only betting within one cycle.
I am still only betting for single Repeats.
I am still using an $800 BR.
I am still using a +1/-1 progression with no limit.
I still use a $80-$100 Win/Stop
REMEMBER THIS IS A STRATEGY NOT A SYSTEM OR METHOD SO DO NOT ASK FOR A SET OF RULES JUST LEARN TO USE G.U.T, GET AVERAGES FOR YOUR MACHINE OF PLAY, WATCH THE COUNT, AND PRACTICE, PRACTICE PRACTICE. YOU WILL GET THERE IF YOU PERSIST.
Below is the payout sheet, betting Repeats, for todays Jackpot247 numbers supplied by Notto over on the KTF thread, using the above parameters I am using on Airball at my B&M.
I hope this information is of benefit to others following the WTF thread
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 5MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 27
2 5
3 31
4 3
5 19
6 28
7 22
8 35
9 9
10 24
11 13
12 34
13 29
14 12
15 10
16 6
17 27 R1
18 29 R1
19 21
20 30
21 15
22 24 R1
23 18
24 33 17 1 17 -17 -17
25 16 17 2 34 -34 -51
26 13 R1 17 3 51 108 57 6
27 23 16 2 32 -32 -26
28 10 R1 16 3 48 108 60 34
29 25 15 2 30 -30 4
30 28 R1 15 3 45 108 63 67
31 9 R1 18 2 36 72 36 103 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
32 24 R2 17 1 17 -17 86
33 25 R1 17 2 34 72 38 124
34 17 16 1 16 -16 108
35 29 R2 16 2 32 -32 76
36 9 16 2 32 -32 44
37 29 R3 16 2 32 -32 12
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Thanks Celtic for update, it was very quiet here last week!
Thanks Celticknits! I'm doing something similar. I have started to use GUT to determine how I will do like you are doing.
I only use a smaller bankroll of 450, I'm a bit curious why you use a 800? Maybe I missed something?
-Tuddilue
Quote from: nextyear on May 05, 10:05 AM 2016
Thanks Celtic for update, it was very quiet here last week!
-Nextyear
Others besides me could have posted.
I was determined to figure out what the h~ll was going on with those new airball machines so i could start betting repeats again.
I was reduced to playing Grassroots DD for the last couple of weeks since their installation.
With a 30 second bet limit it was too hectic trying to play KTF.
I did OK but not as much fun for me as betting repeats.
-Celtic
Quote from: tuddilue on May 05, 10:11 AM 2016
Thanks Celticknits! I'm doing something similar. I have started to use GUT to determine how I will do like you are doing.
I only use a smaller bankroll of 450, I'm a bit curious why you use a 800? Maybe I missed something?
-Tuddilue
-Tuddilue
The $800 BR was based on the maximum DD on the old machine so I just continued with it on the new machines.
I can afford to lose $800 in a few sessions at this point without any worries.
-Celtic
Celtic
Have you designed a new record sheet or still use your old one.
Quote from: Celticknits on May 05, 10:20 AM 2016
-Tuddilue
The $800 BR was based on the maximum DD on the old machine so I just continued with it on the new machines.
I can afford to lose $800 in a few sessions at this point without any worries.
-Celtic
Interesting. I must calculate on this. For me I'm using a 7 step progression for 15 unit. I think that is enough. How do you think about 800? I mean how high progression and for what unit?
-Tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on May 05, 10:41 AM 2016
Celtic
Have you designed a new record sheet or still use your old one.
-Notto
I am still using the old sheet.
I attached a copy.
Oh, I did add two GUT columns on to each group of ten.
I could have shortened it to only cover 4 groups of 10 but have not got around to it.
I know, lazy lazy lazy ---Right :twisted:
To keep track of the Repeats greater than 1 I just designate them as R1 R2 R3 etc.
Do you have something better?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 05, 11:14 AM 2016
-Notto
I am still using the old sheet.
I attached a copy.
Oh, I did add two GUT columns on to each group of ten.
I could have shortened it to only cover 4 groups of 10 but have not got around to it.
I know, lazy lazy lazy ---Right :twisted:
To keep track of the Repeats greater than 1 I just designate them as R1 R2 R3 etc.
Do you have something better?
-Celtic
That will I also start to use, thanks!!
-Tuddilue
Attached is the modified tracker to only include 40 numbers plus 2 GUT columns per block of 10.
At least it's vertical now.
-Celtic
Quote from: tuddilue on May 05, 11:12 AM 2016
Interesting. I must calculate on this. For me I'm using a 7 step progression for 15 unit. I think that is enough. How do you think about 800? I mean how high progression and for what unit?
-Tuddilue
-Tuddilue
As I stated in the progression part of my explanation, I still use +1/-1 and have no limit regardless of the unit bet.
Unless of course I bust the BR but I have not had that issue --- YET :lol:
I do monitor the Progression and will reduce it back to 1 at a new high but here again it may be decision time because if I am at a new high and still have say 5 Repeats due in the next 7 spins and the progression was +5 I would only drop it to +4.
I know, now I am curve fitting without even having any numbers. :twisted:
I hope this helps.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 05, 11:33 AM 2016
-Tuddilue
As I stated in the progression part of my explanation, I still use +1/-1 and have no limit regardless of the unit bet.
Unless of course I bust the BR but I have not had that issue --- YET :lol:
I do monitor the Progression and will reduce it back to 1 at a new high but here again it may be decision time because if I am at a new high and still have say 5 Repeats due in the next 7 spins and the progression was +5 I would only drop it to +4.
I know, now I am curve fitting without even having any numbers. :twisted:
I hope this helps.
-Celtic
Thanks! Yes it helps.
I'm playing a little different nowadays. But I always have the WTF in the middle. I base all my decisions on how the trott is going so:
Fast -> KTF in the beginning (3 hits no progression), WTF (with good average) in middle, GUT crossings in the end
Normal -> KTF in the beginning (3 hits no progression), WTF (with good average) in middle, GUT crossings in the end
Slow -> It's not KTF, 12 numbers (As many as you want)
I start after spin 13 and I also make a reset back to 13 if the trott is done or looks no good..
My win goal is also 80-100. I'm always aiming for 33 (in the beginning),33 (middle), 33 (in the end) = 99
What do you think of this?
It works really great and with the help of the trott you see a lot more.
-Tuddilue
Here is the payout sheet for betting Repeats with the 7May 16 Jackpot247 numbers Notto posted today on the KTF thread.
Thank You Notto.
If you can understand why I would have started betting where I did you are well on your way to understanding betting Repeats.
Hint: I used to be afraid of triple hits.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 7MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 11
2 21
3 14
4 14 R1
5 27
6 9
7 36
8 33
9 30
10 29 9/10
11 2
12 26
13 14 R2
14 24 -Considered starting to bet here
15 7
16 7 R1 12 1 12 36 24 24
17 9 R1 11 1 11 36 25 49
18 4 10 1 10 -10 39
19 30 R1 10 2 20 72 52 91 - Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
20 36 R1 9 1 9 36 27 118 -- For the greedy consider Averages, Gain for amt Bet and maybe you would
21 35 8 1 8 -8 110 continue. If you do you would have got another +27 after next spin--
22 25 8 2 16 -16 94 Note: Tempting but in my opinion not worth it!!!
23 10 8 3 24 -24 70
24 30 R2 8 4 32 -32 38
25 13 8 5 40 -40 -2
26 29 R1 12 6 72 216 144 142
27 19 11 1 11 -11 131
28 30 R3 11 2 22 -22 109
29 26 R1 11 3 33 108 75 184
30 33 R1 10 1 10 36 26 210
31 18 9 1 9 -9 201
32 24 R1 9 2 18 72 54 255
33 20 8 1 8 -8 247
34 11 R1 8 2 16 72 56 303
35 0 7 1 7 -7 296
36 12 7 2 14 -14 282
37 29 R2 7 3 21 -21 261
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
2 quick games down the square +25.75
I run nottophammer number from KTF.
I realize that I need a excel sheet for calculating the result.
But for now I'm interesting if I got the starting point correct. From there the progression +1/-1 will handle the rest :smile:
Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 35 37
2 17 36
3 17 R 35
4 26 35
5 2 34
6 22 33
7 13 32
8 7 31
9 1 30
10 36 29
11 18 28
12 23 27
13 21 26
14 22 R 25
15 35 R 25
16 31 25
17 32 24
18 7 R 23
19 15 23
20 28 22
21 28 R 21
22 31 R 21
23 25 21
24 36 R 20
25 35 R 20
26 19 20 1 My starting point with help of average and GUT.
27 2 R 19
28 12 19
29 22 R 18
30 22 R 18
31 36 R 18
32 6 18
33 34 17
34 22 R 16
35 28 R 16
36 36 R 16
37 0 16
38 35 R 15
39 2 R 15
40 15 R 15
41 12 R 15
42 16 15
43 27 14
44 27 R 13
45 3 13
46 5 12
47 27 R 11
48 15 R 11
49 9 11
50 13 R 10
51 9 R 10
52 33 10
53 22 R 9
54 11 9
55 0 R 8
56 27 R 8
57 31 R 8
58 12 R 8
59 24 8
60 2 R 7
61 8 7
What do you think Celticknits?
-Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 08, 04:01 PM 2016
I run nottophammer number from KTF.
I realize that I need a excel sheet for calculating the result.
But for now I'm interesting if I got the starting point correct. From there the progression +1/-1 will handle the rest :smile:
Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 35 37
2 17 36
3 17 R 35
4 26 35
5 2 34
6 22 33
7 13 32
8 7 31
9 1 30
10 36 29
11 18 28
12 23 27
13 21 26
14 22 R 25
15 35 R 25
16 31 25
17 32 24
18 7 R 23
19 15 23
20 28 22
21 28 R 21
22 31 R 21
23 25 21
24 36 R 20
25 35 R 20
26 19 20 1 My starting point with help of average and GUT.
27 2 R 19
28 12 19
29 22 R 18
30 22 R 18
31 36 R 18
32 6 18
33 34 17
34 22 R 16
35 28 R 16
36 36 R 16
37 0 16
38 35 R 15
39 2 R 15
40 15 R 15
41 12 R 15
42 16 15
43 27 14
44 27 R 13
45 3 13
46 5 12
47 27 R 11
48 15 R 11
49 9 11
50 13 R 10
51 9 R 10
52 33 10
53 22 R 9
54 11 9
55 0 R 8
56 27 R 8
57 31 R 8
58 12 R 8
59 24 8
60 2 R 7
61 8 7
What do you think Celticknits?
-Tuddilue
-Tuddilue
What are you thinking???
You know better than this.
You said that you were checking averages.
Remember when we are looking at averages they are for the machine you are playing and everyone should work out their own for the wheel they are playing on.
On Nottos Jackpot247 numbers for a single spin cycle we can rely on 9 Single Repeats.
You are starting to bet AFTER 7 of these 9 have already hit and there are still 12 spins left.
So this means you are hoping to get those 2 single repeats in that time.
If those two repeats are not together it's going to cost you and even if they are you will still not hit the designated Win/Stop.
Also consider that Nottos averages show there should be 15 unhits in 30 spins.
There have only been 8 Unhits since spin 11 so this means that you can expect another 7 Unhits soon.
Added to this the fact that there will be be about 3-4 more multiple repeats before the end of the spin cycle and your chances are dim to say the least of coming out ahead.
What this all means is that YOU WAITED WAY TOO LATE TO START BETTING!!!
Attached is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 8May16 numbers.
So - Why start betting at spin 18?
Remember with each block of 10, starting at spin 11, we allocated 5 repeats and 5 unhits so after spin 17 there COULD BE 3 Repeats in the next 3 spins (I like those odds a lot better when I start to bet than yours at spin 26) and I still expect 6 more to pay off by the end of the spin cycle. I I say COULD BE because we are gambling but even if they do not come they will just stack up on the following spins so I am not concerned.
Please do not take my comments the wrong way Tuddilue.
Just trying to help.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 8MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 35
2 17
3 17 R1
4 26
5 2
6 22
7 13
8 7
9 1
10 36 9/10
11 18
12 23
13 21
14 22 R1
15 35 R1
16 31
17 32
18 7 R1 11 1 11 36 25 25
19 15 10 1 10 -10 15
20 28 10 2 20 -20 -5
21 28 R1 12 3 36 108 72 67
22 31 R1 11 2 22 72 50 117 --- Win/Stop hit so QUIT!!!
23 25 10 1 10 -10 107
24 36 R1 10 2 20 72 52 159
25 35 R2 9 1 9 -9 150
26 19 9 2 18 -18 132
27 2 R1 9 3 27 108 81 213
28 12 8 1 8 -8 205
29 22 R2 8 2 16 -16 189
30 22 R3 8 3 24 -24 165
31 36 R2 8 4 32 -32 133
32 6 8 5 40 -40 93
33 34 8 6 48 -48 45
34 22 R4 8 7 56 -56 -11
35 28 R2 8 8 64 -64 -75
36 36 R3 8 9 72 -72 -147
37 0 8 10 80 -80 -227
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Quote from: Celticknits on May 08, 05:40 PM 2016
Please do not take my comments the wrong way Tuddilue.
Just trying trying to help
He he no problem. I think you always have good comments!
You always need some criticism sometimes :smile:
In this case I think I have looked to much at gut. You know new things you always want to use a lot!
I will rerun the numbers and learn from your comments!
So thanks!
---> Reply #501
Here we can see Celtic at his best...!
Thanks a bunch
-Notto
Have you noticed lately that the unhits in a spin cycle seems to be getting more consistantly a little less than they were.
Usually only by 1 and it does not sound like much but when you add that to the fact that the multiple repeats have increased and the % of multiple repeats to single repeats, in the spin cycle, has typically gone from 25% to 33% these factors all add up.
Just a thought.
Below is the payout sheet for Nottos 9May16 Jackpot247 numbers.
5 Losses and 2 WIns to hit Win/Stop in 7 spins.
Where else can you lose more than twice the times you win and still come out ahead?
Still amazes me that more people are not doing this.
Note: Same reason for betting entry point as yesterday.
-Celtic
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JACKPOT247 9MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 10
2 33
3 17
4 36
5 34
6 10 R1
7 35
8 29
9 20
10 6 9/10
11 20 R1
12 2
13 32
14 19
15 36 R1
16 26
17 23
18 22 11 1 11 -11 -11
19 3 11 2 22 -22 -33
20 33 R1 11 3 33 108 75 42
21 33 R2 10 2 20 -20 22
22 15 10 3 30 -30 -8
23 36 R2 10 4 40 -40 -48
24 19 R1 10 5 50 180 130 82 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
25 33 R2 9 1 9 -9 73 --- Note Progression rest
26 23 R1 12 2 24 72 48 121 --- Note Countback
27 21 11 1 11 -11 110
28 28 11 2 22 -22 88
29 1 11 3 33 -33 55
30 33 R3 11 4 44 -44 11
31 3 R1 11 5 55 180 125 136
32 14 10 1 10 -10 126 --- Progression reset
33 8 10 2 20 -20 106
34 15 R1 10 3 30 108 78 184
35 21 RX 9 4 36 -36 148
36 5 9 5 45 -45 103
37 15 R2 9 6 54 -54 49
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
RX Designates Repeat not bet on.
Hi Celts
Great read your last posts.
On your new machine are you collecting 60 spins? for your avg doc: as i was wondering how many non-hit come in the 60 spins, do you think it would avg out to 30.5
Like you it amazes me how people bet at roulette, tonight a young lad put £500 thru and walked out, you hear,i like this # and these usually come, Yeah well they dont do they otherwise he wouldn't have left empty handed,LOL.
yes 5-5-5 that more times than not is 7-5-3.
I suppose the management have the beedy eyes on you, but i wont say goodluck because its not luck its knowledge, keep the good work up :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on May 09, 05:39 PM 2016
...
yes 5-5-5 that more times than not is 7-5-3.
Yes I also see this a lot. I think this is the everage most of the times.
Celticknits, the tricky thing is to find the starting point and I think that is the reason why people doesn't dare to bet this. Sometimes it bites, I will try to explain..
I mean for example if average and gut is pointing to a normal gut and normal average. You start to bet at #18 then the trot suddenly change to a fast trot then you have 10 unhits in row that will bite you. Yes the repeaters will come but when?
I mean that is the tricky part. For my part I also been a watcher. You watch the trot and wants a normal trot. Then you can bet wtf and also some crossings in the end. Sometimes it bites you but that is was gambling is all about :wink:
Yes this is more knowledge than gambling and you need to practice practice practice O0
Hi tuddilue,
Remember, what I said: Do I bet or shouldn´t I bet? If in doubt don´t bet. It´s just that simple.
The next spin will tell you right or wrong. And it tells you: Is it till average? Is it changing to slow/fast?
Not betting means not losing!
Bet only when you are sure of what you are doing.
Exercise will give you the feeling to be right or to be wrong.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 09, 05:39 PM 2016
Hi Celts
Great read your last posts.
On your new machine are you collecting 60 spins? for your avg doc: as i was wondering how many non-hit come in the 60 spins, do you think it would avg out to 30.5
Like you it amazes me how people bet at roulette, tonight a young lad put £500 thru and walked out, you hear,i like this # and these usually come, Yeah well they dont do they otherwise he wouldn't have left empty handed,LOL.
yes 5-5-5 that more times than not is 7-5-3.
I suppose the management have the beedy eyes on you, but i wont say goodluck because its not luck its knowledge, keep the good work up :thumbsup:
-Notto
To answer your question - Yes I think that it would average out to about 30 Unhits in 60 spins on my new machines.
With these new machines there is not enough betting time to play KTF but so far still no losses on Repeats.
These machines average about 3min5secs for each spin cycle and the marquee only displays the last 20 numbers.
When I arrive I mark the last 11 numbers on the sheet and start looking for a betting entry point.
I still do not trust these machines and have never stayed for 60 spins.
Because I cannot play KTF For a change of pace I switch over to BJ every now and again.
Just to clarify, for others reading this, the 7-5-3 count that Notto refers to above are the Unhits NOT Repeats. Would be great if they were Repeat averages because our starting bet would be a lower.
As everyone is aware the main trick to winning is knowing the right betting entry point and it is VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE STARTING TO BET AT THAT POINT.
As Winkel, and many others have said, over and over and over again, if you are not sure whether to bet or not then DO NOT BET!!!
Last night in the casino the first machine I sat down at was spitting out numbers that I could not find a suitable betting entry point for so I just switched over to the second machine and played it.
In my opinion if you do not practice betting repeats you are asking for disappointment.
I still practice every day just to keep my edge.
If this sounds absurd or too much then maybe betting Repeats is not for you.
Here are the numbers I played last night at the B&M.
I bet 7 spins in total. 3 Wins and 4 Losses. Left the casino with +128 in less than 3/4 hour.
If you run the numbers remember what I said above - When you start to bet understand why you are starting to bet at that point.
Hint: I reset if there are more than 5 Single Repeats in the first 20 spins
-Celtic
1 2
2 13
3 35
4 1
5 26
6 11
7 0
8 00
9 22
10 26
11 13
12 0
13 2
14 20
15 17
16 34
17 30
18 31
19 36
20 14
21 32
22 00
23 20
24 35
25 33
tuddilue
Dont know if this will help for tracking.
Blue box indicates 10 spins.
Grey box Winkel info.
As the 0X,hit and become a 1X, mark both off and in the small column put a mark of choice, if the 1x repeats cross both out and the mark of choice,then mark the 2X plus a mark of choice in the small column.
The other boxes marks the trot/count.
Also a column for KTF to help see the trot/count
Quote from: winkel on May 10, 08:43 AM 2016
Hi tuddilue,
Remember, what I said: Do I bet or shouldn´t I bet? If in doubt don´t bet. It´s just that simple.
The next spin will tell you right or wrong. And it tells you: Is it till average? Is it changing to slow/fast?
Not betting means not losing!
Bet only when you are sure of what you are doing.
Exercise will give you the feeling to be right or to be wrong.
Thanks for the good advices!
Yes I really experiences this now when I using the GUT in combination with nottos sheets and averages. I think it is really funny and you learn a lot!
- Tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on May 10, 02:00 PM 2016
tuddilue
Dont know if this will help for tracking.
Blue box indicates 10 spins.
Grey box Winkel info.
As the 0X,hit and become a 1X, mark both off and in the small column put a mark of choice, if the 1x repeats cross both out and the mark of choice,then mark the 2X plus a mark of choice in the small column.
The other boxes marks the trot/count.
Also a column for KTF to help see the trot/count
Aha thanks notto!
Yes it helps a lot. I will test this sheet.
I have seen this before but now with my new knowledge it will be more informative.
So thanks again!
-Tuddile
Thank you for today's 11May16 Jackpot247 numbers Notto.
With the discussions regarding averages in the last few days this should be relatively easy to figure out.
Here is the payout sheet.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 11MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 23
2 0
3 31
4 1
5 11
6 11 R1
7 35
8 24
9 17
10 16 9/10
11 9
12 15
13 35 R1
14 2
15 26
16 8
17 20
18 36
19 28 14 1 14 -14 -14
20 25 14 2 28 -28 -42
21 0 R1 16 3 48 108 60 18
22 8 R1 15 2 30 72 42 60
23 14 14 1 14 -14 46
24 17 R1 15 2 30 72 42 88 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
25 15 R1 14 1 14 36 22 110
26 10 13 1 13 -13 97
27 19 13 2 26 -26 71
28 13 13 3 39 -39 32
29 25 R1 13 4 52 144 92 124
30 29 12 1 12 -12 112
31 18 12 2 24 -24 88
32 3 12 3 36 -36 52
33 13 R1 11 4 44 144 100 152
34 22 10 1 10 -10 142
35 35 R2 10 2 20 -20 122
36 0 R2 10 3 30 -30 92
37 35 R3 10 4 40 -40 52
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
You guys still goin strong. Love it
Quote from: Celticknits on May 11, 09:22 AM 2016
Thank you for today's 11May16 Jackpot247 numbers Notto.
With the discussions regarding averages in the last few days this should be relatively easy to figure out.
Here is the payout sheet.
-Celtic
....
Yes I also started betting on #19.
I was betting at 15 numbers not 14. (Maybe I did something wrong)
I also did a count back at #20.
In the end I got the same result. Practice, practice, practice O0
Thanks celtic!
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 11, 04:15 PM 2016
Yes I also started betting on #19.
I was betting at 15 numbers not 14. (Maybe I did something wrong)
I also did a count back at #20.
In the end I got the same result. Practice, practice, practice O0
Thanks celtic!
- Tuddilue
-Tuddi
Not sure how you were betting 15 at spin 19.
If 2 single Repeats have come in 18 spins your bet has to be 18-4=14.
If your initial bet was 15, at spin 21 your bet would be 17 with the countback.
How could you possibly end up with the same result.
I think your calculator needs a new battery :twisted:
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 11, 05:09 PM 2016
-Tuddi
Not sure how you were betting 15 at spin 19.
If 2 single Repeats have come in 18 spins your bet has to be 18-4=14.
If your initial bet was 15, at spin 21 your bet would be 17 with the countback.
How could you possibly end up with the same result.
I think your calculator needs a new battery :twisted:
-Celtic
He he yes I was surprised as well. I think I added one unhit to many. I rerun them now and than it works with the same numbers as you had :wink:
-Tuddilue
-Tuddi
You posted some numbers recently in a thread called 'The Dirty Dozerns'.
I have two questions for you:
1) Were these numbers RNG?
2) Did you check them for betting repeats?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 12, 11:07 AM 2016
-Tuddi
You posted some numbers recently in a thread called 'The Dirty Dozerns'.
I have two questions for you:
1) Were these numbers RNG?
2) Did you check them for betting repeats?
-Celtic
My answers below:
1) Yes Bwin rng from yesterday.
2) Played for repeats and with gut on these. Interesting to see your analysis of them. I can tell you later how I played them if you want?
-Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 12, 11:11 AM 2016
My answers below:
1) Yes Bwin rng from yesterday.
2) Played for repeats and with gut on these. Interesting to see your analysis of them. I can tell you later how I played them if you want?
-Tuddilue
So the numbers are:
Bwin 20160511 RNG
32
15
24
30
12
3
7
34
4
6
18
34
6
5
11
15
24
17
18
26
4
8
8
16
15
28
22
21
12
10
1
15
19
0
1
31
- Tuddilue
-Nottos Jackpot247 Numbers for 12May16 - Thank you Notto
1 21
2 2
3 13
4 22
5 26
6 30
7 1
8 20
9 0
10 16
11 31
12 30
13 17
14 23
15 29
16 19
17 34
18 14
19 9
20 33
21 27
22 28
23 27
24 5
25 5
26 36
27 16
28 12
29 22
30 26
31 7
32 14
33 7
34 32
35 13
36 2
37 29
Bit of a bumpy ride to start with and a good example of why I use a $800 Br.
At spin 23 I had a -504 DD but gotta KTF as Notto says.
Hit Win/Stop of +83 at spin 33.
Rather than just posting the payout sheet try it for yourself and ask questions if you get stuck.
Hint -Use GUT mainly and then averages and LOTT to find the betting entry point.
-Celtic
As your looking at RNG heres 30 #'s from this afternoon.
lads enf 12.05.16
1 6
2 28
3 25
4 36
5 18
6 16
7 22
8 26
9 35
10 7
11 30
12 31
13 11
14 3
15 36
16 24
17 32
18 9
19 20
20 29
21 35
22 28
23 23
24 33
25 20
26 12
27 15
28 24
29 20
30 29
And heres W.Hill other end of town
wh.enf 12.05.16
1 21
2 28
3 3
4 32
5 2
6 27
7 33
8 13
9 21
10 4
11 15
12 26
13 19
14 20
15 3
16 24
17 12
18 8
19 36
20 16
21 28
22 30
23 0
24 3
25 8
26 31
27 21
28 33
29 11
30 18
31 8
32 1
33 21
34 5
35 15
36 7
37 6
38 36
39 15
40 33
41 4
Quote from: tuddilue on May 12, 11:11 AM 2016
My answers below:
1) Yes Bwin rng from yesterday.
2) Played for repeats and with gut on these. Interesting to see your analysis of them. I can tell you later how I played them if you want?
-Tuddilue
-Tuddi
Like you I used GUT mainly for the betting entry point.
NOTE: Had spin 18 been another Repeat I would have reset to make spin 11 my new starting point.
The other thing I would like to mention is that players have to master is the countback and watch that progression level.
Because I especially want every single Repeat to pay when I am already starting to bet with a high single Repeat count to begin with, I will do countbacks on individual numbers as they happen up to spin 25. I did not do this here (prior to hitting the Win/Stop) because I did not want to be accused of curve fitting. After the Win/Stop was reached had I continued you can see why this is individual countback would be important at spin 23.
Remember if you look at the averages you can only rely on 9 Single Repeats in a spin cycle to pay off.
The nice thing about starting to bet when 4 Single Repeats have come is that your bet and stake amounts are very low.
I hope I have explained this in a manner that you can understand.
Here is the payout sheet as I would have played it.
-Celtic
TUDDILUE DIRTY DOZENS 12MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 32
2 15
3 24
4 30
5 12
6 3
7 7
8 34
9 4
10 6 10/10
11 18
12 34 R1
13 6 R1
14 5
15 11
16 15 R1
17 24 R1
18 17 9 1 9 -9 -9 --- GUT is good so start to bet - Had this been a 5th Repeat I would have reset
19 18 R1 9 2 18 72 54 45
20 26 8 1 8 -8 37
21 4 R1 10 2 20 72 52 89 --- Note countback - Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
22 8 9 1 9 -9 80
23 8 R1 10 2 20 72 52 132 --- Note individual countback
24 16 9 1 9 -9 123
25 15 R2 10 2 20 -20 103 --- Another individual countback
26 28 10 3 30 -30 73
27 22 10 4 40 -40 33
28 21 10 5 50 -50 -17
29 12 R1 10 6 60 216 156 139
30 10 9 1 9 -9 130
31 1 9 2 18 -18 112
32 15 R3 9 3 27 -27 85
33 19 9 4 36 -36 49
34 0 9 5 45 -45 4
35 1 RX 9 6 54 -54 -50
36 31 9 7 63 -63 -113
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Quote from: nottophammer on May 12, 12:32 PM 2016
As your looking at RNG heres 30 #'s from this afternoon.
lads enf 12.05.16
1 6
2 28
3 25
4 36
5 18
6 16
7 22
8 26
9 35
10 7
11 30
12 31
13 11
14 3
15 36
16 24
17 32
18 9
19 20
20 29
21 35
22 28
23 23
24 33
25 20
26 12
27 15
28 24
29 20
30 29
-Notto
Thank You.
Have to admit I would have gone for at least one more Single Repeat with 3 still expected in the next 7 spins.
-Celtic
LADS 12MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 6
2 28
3 25
4 36
5 18
6 16
7 22
8 26
9 35
10 7 10/10
11 30
12 31
13 11
14 3
15 36 R1
16 24
17 32
18 9
19 20 16 1 16 -16 -16
20 29 16 2 32 -32 -48
21 35 R1 18 3 54 108 54 6
22 28 R1 17 2 34 72 38 44
23 23 16 1 16 -16 28
24 33 17 2 34 -34 -6
25 20 R1 18 3 54 108 54 48
26 12 17 2 34 -34 14
27 15 17 3 51 -51 -37
28 24 R1 17 4 68 144 76 39
29 20 R2 16 3 48 -48 -9
30 29 R1 16 4 64 144 80 71
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Quote from: nottophammer on May 12, 12:37 PM 2016
And heres W.Hill other end of town
wh.enf 12.05.16
1 21
2 28
3 3
4 32
5 2
6 27
7 33
8 13
9 21
10 4
11 15
12 26
13 19
14 20
15 3
16 24
17 12
18 8
19 36
20 16
21 28
22 30
23 0
24 3
25 8
26 31
27 21
28 33
29 11
30 18
31 8
32 1
33 21
34 5
35 15
36 7
37 6
38 36
39 15
40 33
41 4
-Notto
Oh Boy RNG at it's best. :lol:
WHAT IS WITH THOSE NUMBERS??In one cycle:
27 Unhits
10 Repeats and only 6 are Singles
Is this typical for their machines?
The best I could do on this would be to pick a spot to lose the least amount of money :wink:
I noticed KTF would have worked fine though.
Did you actually play this mess?? :question:
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 12, 12:39 PM 2016
-Tuddi
Like you I used GUT mainly for the betting entry point.
NOTE: Had spin 18 been another Repeat I would have reset to make spin 11 my new starting point.
The other thing I would like to mention is that players have to master is the countback and watch that progression level.
Because I especially want every single Repeat to pay when I am already starting to bet with a high single Repeat count to begin with, I will do countbacks on individual numbers as they happen up to spin 25. I did not do this here (prior to hitting the Win/Stop) because I did not want to be accused of curve fitting. After the Win/Stop was reached had I continued you can see why this is individual countback would be important at spin 23.
Remember if you look at the averages you can only rely on 9 Single Repeats in a spin cycle to pay off.
The nice thing about starting to bet when 4 Single Repeats have come is that your bet and stake amounts are very low.
I hope I have explained this in a manner that you can understand.
Here is the payout sheet as I would have played it.
-Celtic
For me when I bet repeats I mainly bets on the average if I'm going to start between #18-21.
Of course I do look at G.U.T as well. But it is not my main target for starting here...
So average for me is 7-5-3.
So when I'm reaching #18 4 repeats has already gone so I did not bet on the repeats here.
The next point for me is with help of G.U.T and I have started to look at the crossing 0 vs >0.
The crossing is indicating to be betting on at #27
So after that I start to bet on 1x.
I hit 2 repeats after this then I stop.
That is one thing I have noticed on RNG you must stop fast. So for me I have always stopped after 1 hit and if the bankroll is positive otherwise I continue.
But now when I have started to learn how celtic does and with help of G.U.T I will start to hit more repeats. My new goal is 3 repeats.
For your analysis:
* Interesting that you should do a reset if 18 been another repeat
* The countback is interesting. I do it if I got 2 unhits in a row. So you do this after each unhit?
* I'm a little curious how you think about the 2x? Because you are only betting on the 1x is that LOTT?
- Tuddilue
Quote from: Celticknits on May 12, 11:34 AM 2016
...
Bit of a bumpy ride to start with and a good example of why I use a $800 Br.
At spin 23 I had a -504 DD but gotta KTF as Notto says.
Hit Win/Stop of +83 at spin 33.
Rather than just posting the payout sheet try it for yourself and ask questions if you get stuck.
Hint -Use GUT mainly and then averages and LOTT to find the betting entry point.
-Celtic
Really fast trot.
For me I started to bet on #19.
For 2 reasons:
1. The average. 1 repeat has hit and in average 2 more in 10 can come.
2. The crossing 0 vs >0 is saying that you should bet.
I did do countback of two after two unhits.
I was up at progression 7 at #27
I should have stopped when I'm in positive bankroll.
But as you I would have continued.
When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at.
-Tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on May 12, 12:32 PM 2016
As your looking at RNG heres 30 #'s from this afternoon.
lads enf 12.05.16
1 6
2 28
3 25
4 36
5 18
6 16
7 22
8 26
9 35
10 7
11 30
12 31
13 11
14 3
15 36
16 24
17 32
18 9
19 20
20 29
21 35
22 28
23 23
24 33
25 20
26 12
27 15
28 24
29 20
30 29
Thanks notto!
I would have started at #19 because of the average.
I would then have stopped after the 3 repeats at #25.
The count:
10/10
9+4
4-1
I think this is nothing unusual...
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 12, 03:10 PM 2016
For me when I bet repeats I mainly bets on the average if I'm going to start between #18-21.
Of course I do look at G.U.T as well. But it is not my main target for starting here...
So average for me is 7-5-3.
So when I'm reaching #18 4 repeats has already gone so I did not bet on the repeats here.
The next point for me is with help of G.U.T and I have started to look at the crossing 0 vs >0.
The crossing is indicating to be betting on at #27
So after that I start to bet on 1x.
I hit 2 repeats after this then I stop.
That is one thing I have noticed on RNG you must stop fast. So for me I have always stopped after 1 hit and if the bankroll is positive otherwise I continue.
Just looking at those crazy Wm. Hill numbers Notto posted and betting your way for a single win would have been the only way to win that I can see betting Repeats..
I posted my payout sheet for Wm Hill below.
Look at those multiple Repeats. And the Single Repeats are so spaced out ie. not one is back to back.
To me, something appears to be being manipulated here.
But now when I have started to learn how celtic does and with help of G.U.T I will start to hit more repeats. My new goal is 3 repeats.
For your analysis:
* Interesting that you should do a reset if 18 been another repeat
I should have been clearer and said a SINGLE REPEAT - Sorry about that
If spin 18 had been a another SINGLE Repeat we would have had a total of 5 of the 9 I have come to expect in the cycle.
Or another way of putting it would be that we have missed more than 1/2 or the Single Repeats and are not even 1/2 way through the spin cycle so I would have reset for another starting point..
* The countback is interesting. I do it if I got 2 unhits in a row. So you do this after each unhit?
Not so much before spin 21 but yes between spins 21 and 25.
When the Repeats are immenent definitely YES because I do not want to miss a back to back number like occured in spins 22 and 23 of your numbers.
* I'm a little curious how you think about the 2x? Because you are only betting on the 1x is that LOTT?
I do not bet multiple hits for two reasons.
1) There are only 3-4 of them in a cycle compared to the 9 Single Repeats.
2) Betting Multiple Repeats will make your bets higher.
Look at Nottos Jackpot247 sheets and you will see that you can more or less rely on 9 Single Repeats occuring in one spin cycle.
Again, It is important to practice with the wheel you are going to be using and formulate your own averages sheet for that wheel.
-Celtic
- Tuddilue
WILLIAM HILL 12MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 21
2 28
3 3
4 32
5 2
6 27
7 33
8 13
9 21 R1
10 4
11 15
12 26
13 19
14 20
15 3 R1
16 24
17 12
18 8
19 36 14 1 14 -14 -14
20 16 15 2 30 -30 -44 --- Note single countback
21 28 R1 16 3 48 108 60 16 --- Again a single countback and Tuddilue would have WON!!!
22 30 15 2 30 -30 -14
23 0 16 3 48 -48 -62
24 3 R2 17 4 68 -68 -130
25 8 R1 17 5 85 180 95 -35
26 31 16 4 64 -64 -99
27 21 R2 16 5 80 -80 -179
28 33 R1 16 6 96 216 120 -59
29 11 15 5 75 -75 -134
30 18 15 6 90 -90 -224
31 8 R2 15 7 105 -105 -329
32 1 15 8 120 -120 -449
33 21 R3 15 9 135 324 189 -260
34 5 15 10 150 -150 -410
35 15 R1 15 11 165 396 231 -179
36 7 14 10 140 -140 -319
37 6 14 11 154 -154 -473
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Quote from: tuddilue on May 12, 03:18 PM 2016
......................
I was up at progression 7 at #27
When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at.
-Tuddilue
-Tuddi
Are you sure your Progression level would have been 7 at spin #27?
I only get 5.
Q. When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at. --- I do not understand what you are saying here.
A. I use a free opensource program called Libre Office. It is the same Microsoft Office and has a spreadsheet program that is the same as excel.
I told you about this program several months ago when you were asking the same question.
When I am at the casino playing I use the same sheet Notto uses for KTF with two additional columns added on for GUT.
I posted a copy of that sheet a few days ago.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 12, 09:19 PM 2016
-Tuddi
Are you sure your Progression level would have been 7 at spin #27?
I only get 5.
I double checked my sheet and you are correct it should be a 5 I have written wrong after the 5 repeated again..
Q. When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at. --- I do not understand what you are saying here.
A. I use a free opensource program called Libre Office. It is the same Microsoft Office and has a spreadsheet program that is the same as excel.
I told you about this program several months ago when you were asking the same question.
When I am at the casino playing I use the same sheet Notto uses for KTF with two additional columns added on for GUT.
I posted a copy of that sheet a few days ago.
Yes I also uses the KTF sheet. I still uses the old sheet. I will soon start using your sheet.
Yes I know. I uses both open office and excel. The thing I meant was if you are using some special sheet that you move around the progression. I mean it is hard otherwise to calculate it. Like priyanka excellent excel sheet for KTF. Something similar we should have for WTF.
-Celtic
Otherwise thanks for your answers and interesting discussions Celticknits! I learn a lot.
Now when just betting the 1x and also start to really use G.U.T that have improved my game a lot!
Then the approach with the repeaters I think is really good. Yes I'm also surprised that not more people is betting like this.
Will go away on a business trip a couple of days so maybe I can't ask so many questions O0
-Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 13, 01:44 AM 2016...................................
Yes I'm also surprised that not more people is betting like this.
Will go away on a business trip a couple of days so maybe I can't ask so many questions O0
-Tuddi
I think most people just want a clean and simple way of winning without too much effort on their part.
Betting Repeats is not for them.
I still only play repeats 99% of the time and still practice every day.
Todays Jackpot247 numbers from Notto should have been a breeze to win for you, or anyone actually following this thread.
Look at the GUT count after spin 16 --- 24-12-2.
I had 3 Wins, 4 Losses and +87 after spin 23 -Good times
Have a safe trip and a great weekend.
-Celtic
If I was a teacher today's Jackpot247 numbers from Notto, posted in the KTF thread, are what I would use for a final test for betting Repeats.
-Celtic
Hi Celts
Todays #'s 7/10, only had this 3 times in 140 games.
5.4.16
27.4.16
14.5.16
Abandon 1st 10, have a reset.
A KTF with 15, get the repeat, drop 1 unit, win, re-count, go with 18, job done.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 14, 09:40 AM 2016
Hi Celts
Todays #'s 7/10, only had this 3 times in 140 games.
5.4.16
27.4.16
14.5.16
Abandon 1st 10, have a reset.
A KTF with 15, get the repeat, drop 1 unit, win, re-count, go with 18, job done.
-Notto
Sure take the easy way out. :wink:
I have been working with making triples work for me.
I would have started betting at spin 19 and run through to spin 25 after which I am watching GUT for a crossing or waiting for the first single repeat to hit and then restart betting.
The crossing comes first at spin 30 so I start rebetting and you know there are still a sh*tload of Single Repeats due and there they are.
Interesting to note that there is only a +2 difference in doing it this way or resetting.
Also, it would have taken 6 more spins my way to hit the Win/Stop.
Thank you for the information about the 7/10 in spins 1-10.
I was wondering about that.
Have a great weekend.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 14, 07:53 AM 2016
If I was a teacher today's Jackpot247 numbers from Notto, posted in the KTF thread, are what I would use for a final test for betting Repeats.
-Celtic
Looking forward to run these numbers tomorrow. Will read your analysis afterwards. You learn a lot that way. Hopes others do the same!
Thanks Celticknits and nottophammer!
- Tuddilue
Here is the payout sheet for today's Jackpot247 numbers from Notto --- Thank You.
Hotnumber fanatics would have had a ball with this one on the number 33 --- 6 times in one cycle.
This one is all about the triple in spins 1-19 and averages
Watch the countbacks and progressions if you decide to be greedy and continue after spin 21
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 15MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 33
2 22
3 6
4 33 R1
5 6 R1
6 1
7 26
8 19
9 19 R1
10 29 7/10
11 26 R1
12 12
13 30
14 10
15 33 R2
16 21
17 18
18 35
19 21 R1 9 1 9 36 27 27
20 33 R3 8 1 8 -8 19
21 1 R1 8 2 16 72 56 75 --- Close enough to Win/Stop for me so QUIT!!!
22 31 7 1 7 -7 68
23 13 8 2 16 -16 52
24 36 9 3 27 -27 25
25 33 R4 10 4 40 -40 -15
26 6 R2 10 5 50 -50 -65
27 35 R1 10 6 60 216 156 91
28 19 R2 9 1 9 -9 82
29 0 8 2 16 -16 66
30 36 R1 8 3 24 108 84 150
31 29 R1 7 1 7 36 29 179
32 22 R1 6 1 6 36 30 209
33 22 R2 5 1 5 -5 204
34 9 5 2 10 -10 194
35 15 5 3 15 -15 179
36 10 R1 5 4 20 144 124 303
37 33 R5 4 1 4 -4 299
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Below is the payout sheet for Nottos 16May16 Jackpot247 numbers posted in KTF - Thank You Notto!!!
Notes:
1) Betting entry point based on Winkel's GUT strategy.
2) Win/Stop point based on Win/Stop of $80-100, and Nottos Averages combined with LOTT.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 16MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 5
3 10
4 3
5 13
6 31
7 15
8 34
9 16
10 6 10/10
11 36
12 35
13 36 R1
14 6 R1
15 10 R1
16 1
17 5 R1
18 12
19 26 10 1 10 -10 -10
20 32 11 2 22 -22 -32
21 35 R1 12 3 36 108 72 40
22 9 11 1 11 -11 29
23 26 R1 12 2 24 72 48 77 --- Win/Stop close enough so QUIT!!!
24 36 R2 11 2 22 -22 55
25 12 R1 11 3 33 108 75 130
26 15 R1 10 1 10 36 26 156
27 20 9 1 9 -9 147
28 36 R3 9 2 18 -18 129
29 34 R1 9 3 27 108 81 210
30 36 R4 8 1 8 -8 202
31 16 R1 8 2 16 72 56 258
32 18 7 1 7 -7 251
33 35 R2 7 2 14 -14 237
34 2 7 3 21 -21 216
35 14 7 4 28 -28 188
36 13 R1 7 5 35 180 145 333
37 11 6 1 6 -6 327
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Some RNG for a practice
wh.enf 18.05.16
1 14
2 33
3 20
4 24
5 32
6 7
7 26
8 15
9 31
10 9
11 18
12 33
13 3
14 17
15 13
16 3
17 26
18 6
19 33
20 11
21 3
22 4
23 22
24 27
25 3
26 8
27 18
28 19
29 5
30 19
31 27
32 6
33 28
34 15
35 18
36 20
37 34
38 12
39 15
40 29
41 32
42 27
43 2
44 28
45 8
46 1
47 19
48 34
49 14
50 33
51 27
52 24
53 29
54 32
55 4
56 2
57 34
58 35
59 24
60 34
61 11
62 25
63 18
64 36
65 13
66 35
67 3
68 27
69 25
70 35
71 36
72 27
73 9
lads enf 18.05.16
1 7
2 12
3 34
4 6
5 22
6 0
7 29
8 12
9 6
10 10
11 32
12 29
13 2
14 34
15 19
16 18
17 15
18 18
19 5
20 11
21 15
22 15
23 15
24 5
25 32
26 31
27 10
28 19
29 24
30 24
31 26
32 33
33 25
34 5
35 17
36 4
37 4
38 27
39 23
40 29
41 13
42 25
43 2
44 21
45 30
46 33
47 28
48 11
49 9
50 13
51 27
52 15
53 31
54 8
55 28
56 16
57 0
58 9
59 20
60 22
61 19
62 35
63 16
64 4
65 4
66 0
67 8
68 11
69 32
70 19
71 32
72 8
73 36
74 0
75 34
76 2
77 12
78 7
Quote from: nottophammer on May 18, 04:48 PM 2016
Some RNG for a practice
wh.enf 18.05.16
1 14
2 33
3 20
4 24
5 32
6 7
7 26
8 15
9 31
10 9
11 18
12 33
13 3
14 17
15 13
16 3
17 26
18 6
19 33
20 11
21 3
22 4
23 22
24 27
25 3
26 8
27 18
28 19
29 5
30 19
31 27
32 6
33 28
34 15
35 18
36 20
37 34
-Notto - Thank You for the workout :lol:
OK so Gut and Nottos averages were used for the initial starting bet location.
After 3 losses in a row I stop betting and go back to GUT tracking.
After spin 25 my GUT tracking shows 18-13-3-3 and averages say that there should still be 5-6 Single Repeats left so start betting where we left off on all the UnHits from spins 1-25.
Here is the payout sheet.
-Celtic
WILLIAM HILL 18MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 14
2 33
3 20
4 24
5 32
6 7
7 26
8 15
9 31
10 9 10/10
11 18
12 33 R1
13 3
14 17
15 13
16 3 R1 13 1 13 36 23 23
17 26 R1 12 1 12 36 24 47
18 6 11 1 11 -11 36
19 33 R2 12 2 24 -24 12
20 11 12 3 36 -36 -24
21 3 R2 -24
22 4 -24
23 22 -24
24 27 -24
25 3 R2 GUTtracking is 18-13-3-3 -24
26 8 16 4 64 -64 -88
27 18 R1 16 5 80 180 100 12
28 19 15 4 60 -60 -48
29 5 15 5 75 -75 -123
30 19 RX 15 6 90 -90 -213
31 27 R1 15 7 105 252 147 -66
32 6 R1 14 6 84 216 132 66
33 28 13 1 13 -13 53
34 15 R1 13 2 26 72 46 99 --- Win/Stop hit so QUIT!!!
35 18 R2 12 1 12 -12 87
36 20 R1 12 2 24 72 48 135
37 34 11 1 11 -11 124
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Celts
You asked are they skewed? this is Paddy power they have same supplier as W.Hill
Ppbigg 24.2.16
1 7
2 10
3 35
4 34
5 1
6 1
7 12
8 31
9 22
10 29
11 7
12 22
13 20
14 20
15 20
16 29
17 18
18 14
19 10
20 9
21 24
22 27
23 36
24 24
25 26
26 25
27 34
28 14
29 9
30 5
31 19
32 34
33 15
34 11
35 2
36 31
37 6
38 10
39 17
40 23
41 0
42 24
43 29
44 26
45 19
46 4
47 6
48 6
49 7
50 26
51 11
52 6
53 14
54 27
55 29
56 23
Lads sandy
lads sandy 19.05.16
1 30
2 28
3 13
4 3
5 7
6 34
7 0
8 34
9 8
10 23
11 20
12 9
13 12
14 25
15 24
16 10
17 26
18 6
19 33
20 10
21 20
22 35
23 23
24 27
25 6
26 8
27 36
28 5
29 11
30 34
31 27
32 24
33 7
34 28
35 5
36 0
37 5
Quote from: nottophammer on May 19, 05:28 PM 2016Celts
You asked are they skewed? this is Paddy power they have same supplier as W.Hill
-Notto
I included the payout sheets for Paddy Power and Lads Sandy below.
Here is a brief analysis of each.
Paddy Power Analysis:
Did a reset on the Paddy Power to knock out the first 10 numbers and then started again.
Betting entry point based on GUT and averages
Had I continued after hitting Win/Stop due to Single Repeats still due I would have stopped after three losses in a row (spin25) and went to tracking.
I would then started to bet again after count went to 16-15 on spin 29 and I still expect 3-4 more Single Repeats.
Lads Analysis:
This was fairly straight forward and I started betting based primarily on Averages but watched GUT
-Celtic
Ppbigg 24.2.16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 22
3 20
4 20 R1
5 20 R2
6 29
7 18
8 14
9 10
10 9 8/10
11 24
12 27
13 36
14 24 R1
15 26
16 25
17 34
18 14 R1 12 1 12 36 24 24
19 9 R1 11 1 11 36 25 49
20 5 10 1 10 -10 39
21 19 11 2 22 -22 17
22 34 R1 12 3 36 108 72 89 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
23 15 11 1 11 -11 78
24 11 12 2 24 -24 54
25 2 13 3 39 -39 15
26 31 15
27 6 15
28 10 R1 15
29 17 GUT TRACK IS 16-15-5-1 15
30 23 13 4 52 -52 -37
31 0 13 5 65 -65 -102
32 24 R2 13 6 78 -78 -180
33 29 R1 13 7 91 252 161 -19
34 26 R1 12 6 72 216 144 125
35 19 R1 11 1 11 36 25 150
36 4 10 1 10 -10 140
37 6 RX 10 2 20 -20 120
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
lads sandy 19.05.16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 30
2 28
3 13
4 3
5 7
6 34
7 0
8 34 R1
9 8
10 23 8/10
11 20
12 9
13 12
14 25
15 24
16 10
17 26
18 6 15 1 15 -15 -15
19 33 16 2 32 -32 -47
20 10 R1 17 3 51 108 57 10
21 20 R1 16 2 32 72 40 50
22 35 15 1 15 -15 35
23 23 R1 16 2 32 72 40 75 --- Considered quitting but still 5 Single Repeats expected
24 27 15 1 15 -15 60
25 6 R1 16 2 32 72 40 100 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
26 8 R1 15 1 15 36 21 121
27 36 14 1 14 -14 107
28 5 14 2 28 -28 79
29 11 14 3 42 -42 37
30 34 R2 14 4 56 -56 -19
31 27 R1 14 5 70 180 110 91
32 24 R1 13 4 52 144 92 183
33 7 R1 12 1 12 36 24 207
34 28 R1 11 1 11 36 25 232
35 5 RX 10 1 10 -10 222
36 0 R1 9 2 18 72 54 276
37 5 R2 8 1 8 -8 268
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Below is the payout sheet for Notto's Jackpot247 25May16 numbers.
Betting entry point was based primarily on GUT tracking and considering Notto's Averages.
I have to admit that I would be tempted to continue for at least one or two more Repeats after spin 21 because I still expect 5 more Repeats, according to the averages, in the spin cycle.
DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE!!!
Celtic
JACKPOT247 25MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 29
2 4
3 18
4 5
5 0
6 23
7 9
8 29 R1
9 7
10 24 9/10
11 33
12 30
13 36
14 15
15 21
16 1 13 1 13 -13 -13
17 25 14 2 28 -28 -41
18 0 R1 15 3 45 108 63 22
19 4 R1 14 2 28 72 44 66
20 26 13 1 13 -13 53
21 5 R1 14 2 28 72 44 97 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
22 23 R1 13 1 13 36 23 120
23 28 12 1 12 -12 108
24 31 13 2 26 -26 82
25 31 R1 14 3 42 108 66 148
26 4 R2 13 2 26 -26 122
27 26 R1 13 3 39 108 69 191
28 34 12 2 24 -24 167
29 35 12 3 36 -36 131
30 4 R3 12 4 48 -48 83
31 1 R1 12 5 60 180 120 203
32 13 11 6 66 -66 137
33 26 R2 11 7 77 -77 60
34 24 R1 11 8 88 288 200 260
35 15 R1 10 7 70 252 182 442
36 19 9 6 54 -54 388
37 5 R2 9 7 63 -63 325
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
try these :ooh:
1 35
2 34
3 28
4 31
5 27
6 24
7 7
8 34
9 3
10 27
11 8
12 0
13 14
14 30
15 6
16 4
17 5
18 10
19 25
20 16
21 11
22 13
23 35
24 36
25 32
26 34
Just come in from the market square,see Priy's tester. So thought i will post this.
Reason for posting, you can see the #'s in margin are those left on marquee from previous player, the question is when was it last spun.
You can see 23-17 is 9/10.
My spins 1-10 starting 17 to Zero, those 9 #'s in the margin repeat for 6 spins, so if i had used those #'s and bet the remaining 28 non-hit, be well up the creek with no paddle.
So this is why i never use the #'s left by someone else.
Won 90 units so leave
Quote from: nottophammer on May 25, 12:53 PM 2016
try these :ooh:
1 35
2 34
3 28
4 31
5 27
6 24
7 7
8 34
9 3
10 27
11 8
12 0
13 14
14 30
15 6
16 4
17 5
18 10
19 25
20 16
21 11
22 13
23 35
24 36
25 32
26 34
-Notto
Here is the payout sheet but it is incomplete.
At the point the numbers ran out I am still expecting 6 more Single Repeats.
Before anybody chimes in with random is random is random just get the numbers from another source let me say that I prefer my numbers from the same random source in a complete 37/38 spin cycle.
Celtic
NOTTO'S CHALLENGE 25MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 35
2 34
3 28
4 31
5 27
6 24
7 7
8 34 R1
9 3
10 27 R1 8/10
11 8
12 0
13 14
14 30
15 6
16 4
17 5 12 1 12 -12 -12
18 10 13 2 26 -26 -38
19 25 14 3 42 -42 -80
20 16 3 losses â€" Back to tracking -80
21 11 -80
22 13 GUT tracking is 18-18-2-0-0-0 -80
23 35 R1 17 4 68 144 76 -4
24 36 16 3 48 -48 -52
25 32 17 4 68 -68 -120
26 34 R2 18 5 90 -90 -210 --- 6 Single Repeats still expected
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
What is the maximum repeaters you ever seen in a row ? (And at what spin it started? )
Quote from: Celticknits on May 25, 12:22 PM 2016
Below is the payout sheet for Notto's Jackpot247 25May16 numbers.
Betting entry point was based primarily on GUT tracking and considering Notto's Averages.
I have to admit that I would be tempted to continue for at least one or two more Repeats after spin 21 because I still expect 5 more Repeats, according to the averages, in the spin cycle.
DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE!!!
Celtic
Yes the old greed! It can be really hard to stop sometimes. Especially when it goes so well!!
- Tuddilue
Quote from: Celticknits on May 25, 08:06 PM 2016
-Notto
Here is the payout sheet but it is incomplete.
At the point the numbers ran out I am still expecting 6 more Single Repeats.
Before anybody chimes in with random is random is random just get the numbers from another source let me say that I prefer my numbers from the same random source in a complete 37/38 spin cycle.
Celtic
...
20 16 3 losses â€" Back to tracking -80
...
I saw you did a back to tracking. How do you decide to do this?
I should have started on spin 18 and when the R1 hit on spin 23 I should have been up on 6 in the progression.
One thing that I also do different is restart the progression after a hit. Why? I been to burned by the progression before and a small loss is nothing with this kind of play. You win that back easy on next session...
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 26, 05:30 AM 2016
Q1) I saw you did a back to tracking. How do you decide to do this?
One thing that I also do different is restart the progression after a hit. Why? I been to burned by the progression before and a small loss is nothing with this kind of play. You win that back easy on next session...
-Tuddilue
A1) I do this when Repeats are expected and after 3 losses in a row after the betting entry point.
Regarding resetting the Progression to 1:
The only time I reset my progression to 1 is on a new high and even then this is open to change because if, for example, I am at a new high of +20 and a progression level of 4 and there are still 6 more Single Repeats to come in the next 9 spins I would never reset the progression level back to 1 because it would take so much longer to hit the Win/Stop level. You have to consider what your bet is.
In the example, at a new high of +20 if my bet was 9 and the Progression is 4 the profit would be (4*36)-(4*9) or +108. This added to the new high of 20 would give me +128 and the Win/Stop is reached and I quit. If, on the other hand, I reset the progression back to 1, as you said you would, the new profit would only be (1*36)-(1*9) or +27. Now our new high would only be (20+27)= +47 and we would still be betting to hit the Win/Stop level.
All of these factors have to be taken into consideration when you make a decision.
As I said before when you make a decision you have to know not only what you are doing but why you are doing it, based on everything that is happening at the time.
And, how many times has Winkel said "if in doubt DO NOT BET"?
I hope this helps.
Celtic
1. We start with all 37 pockets (37,0X’s)
2. You know in spins 1-10, the usual score reads 9/10, but we also see 7/10, not often, 8/10 this we see nearly as often as 9/10, and then we see 10/10. So what’s next?
3. The trot. What is the trot? How the non-hit behave.
4. Non-hit (0X), these have to hit, the question is how? In spins 11-20 it’s possible to see all 10 spins become 1X’s.
But we have found it’s possible to have a repeat in 10 spins, around an 80% chance. So how often would spins 11-20 be 10 non-hit to become 10, 1X? But there’s the problem for betting for a repeat. If the spins 11-20 are also 10 unique, where is your entry point for betting for the repeat?
5. So we want to start to bet that the 1X’s will be hit, the question is how many 0X have to become 1X’s for us to start betting?
Looking back to spins 1-10, if it was 10/10, the 1X are becoming heavy, so we think they could repeat in spins 11-20, remember topic 12 unique, how often the 12 unique would hit, say within 3 spins?
Would it be better to wait for spins 11-20 to finish , then make the decision on the 1X’s. Unlike the true math people who knew to work on a 37 spins cycle, I worked on a cycle of 40 spins, why, everything is worked in groups of 10, measurement and money.
So with 20 spins left and gained knowledge from recording spins in groups of 60 spin values, depending on the score of 1X’s in spins 11-20, we have come to accept spins 11-40 has a possibility of 15 repeats, so you have had 10 spins of the 30 spins, how many 1X’s have repeated, have too many already hit?
After 20 spins 2X’s can become 3X’s, if this repeat is happening it is costing on the progression, so here it is possible to bet the >1X and the 1X’s, is it not all about watching the trot.
Example last nights’ game, last bet was 1X+2X’s, if i'd bet just 1X's i would have lost that bet.
Quote from: Celticknits on May 26, 07:38 AM 2016
A1) I do this when Repeats are expected and after 3 losses in a row after the betting entry point.
Regarding resetting the Progression to 1:
The only time I reset my progression to 1 is on a new high and even then this is open to change because if, for example, I am at a new high of +20 and a progression level of 4 and there are still 6 more Single Repeats to come in the next 9 spins I would never reset the progression level back to 1 because it would take so much longer to hit the Win/Stop level. You have to consider what your bet is.
...
I hope this helps.
Celtic
Thanks Celtic!
I totally agree with. I will start doing this when I expect 6 more repeats to come.
I think the reason why I do like this is because I want to learn G.U.T and WTF betting on 1x.
So I was a bit uncertain how the RNG will react.
But now I see that this average of 9 single repeates works as well on the RNG.
-Tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on May 26, 08:19 AM 2016
1. We start with all 37 pockets (37,0X’s)
2. You know in spins 1-10, the usual score reads 9/10, but we also see 7/10, not often, 8/10 this we see nearly as often as 9/10, and then we see 10/10. So what’s next?
3. The trot. What is the trot? How the non-hit behave.
4. Non-hit (0X), these have to hit, the question is how? In spins 11-20 it’s possible to see all 10 spins become 1X’s.
But we have found it’s possible to have a repeat in 10 spins, around an 80% chance. So how often would spins 11-20 be 10 non-hit to become 10, 1X? But there’s the problem for betting for a repeat. If the spins 11-20 are also 10 unique, where is your entry point for betting for the repeat?
5. So we want to start to bet that the 1X’s will be hit, the question is how many 0X have to become 1X’s for us to start betting?
Looking back to spins 1-10, if it was 10/10, the 1X are becoming heavy, so we think they could repeat in spins 11-20, remember topic 12 unique, how often the 12 unique would hit, say within 3 spins?
Would it be better to wait for spins 11-20 to finish , then make the decision on the 1X’s. Unlike the true math people who knew to work on a 37 spins cycle, I worked on a cycle of 40 spins, why, everything is worked in groups of 10, measurement and money.
So with 20 spins left and gained knowledge from recording spins in groups of 60 spin values, depending on the score of 1X’s in spins 11-20, we have come to accept spins 11-40 has a possibility of 15 repeats, so you have had 10 spins of the 30 spins, how many 1X’s have repeated, have too many already hit?
After 20 spins 2X’s can become 3X’s, if this repeat is happening it is costing on the progression, so here it is possible to bet the >1X and the 1X’s, is it not all about watching the trot.
Example last nights’ game, last bet was 1X+2X’s, if i'd bet just 1X's i would have lost that bet.
Thanks notto!
I understand what you mean now when I also is studying the trott.
I mainly looks at the 1x but I also looks at the 2x and 3x.
One thing I want to ask you is, when I study the trott I see:
Normal trott
Slow trott
Fast trott
But most of the time I see:
Normal -> slow
Normal -> fast
slow -> normal
slow -> fast
fast -> normal
fast -> slow
So the trott is changing. This makes it really hard to bet at.
What do you think of this? Do you bet on a changing trott?
I studies the trott and I do not bet if I do not feel it right.
The hardest is when a trott changes to a fast trott. Then I think it is hard to bet WTF.
-Tuddilue
Looking at Gut, I see how it, as spins pass, moves proportionally to the right...
What was happening to the 0x, is later happening to 1x (2/3 of it), and then to 2x (also 2/3 proportionally to 1x's) etc., every 12 spins or so...
If you know what I mean :-[
Quote from: tuddilue on May 26, 09:02 AM 2016
Thanks Celtic!
I totally agree with. I will start doing this when I expect 6 more repeats to come.
The 6 was only an example and not meant to be a parameter.
I think the reason why I do like this is because I want to learn G.U.T and WTF betting on 1x.
So I was a bit uncertain how the RNG will react.
And this is why you have to do the averages for the machine you are playing on.
But now I see that this average of 9 single repeates works as well on the RNG.
Do not count on it being 9 for all RNG setups.
Once you step into the land of RNG anything is possible. I have seen 16 Single Repeats and no Multiple Repeats in a single spin cycle on RNG. I have also seen 3 Single Repeats and 11 Multiple Repeats on RNG.
Never seen anything like this on my B&M Airball or live dealers wheels.
Again, why you need to do the Averages based on the machine you are playing.
-Tuddilue
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 26, 09:39 AM 2016
The 6 was only an example and not meant to be a parameter.
And this is why you have to do the averages for the machine you are playing on.
Do not count on it being 9 for all RNG setups.
Once you step into the land of RNG anything is possible. I have seen 16 Single Repeats and no Multiple Repeats in a single spin cycle on RNG. I have also seen 3 Single Repeats and 11 Multiple Repeats on RNG.
Never seen anything like this on my B&M Airball or live dealers wheels.
Again, why you need to do the Averages based on the machine you are playing.
-Celtic
Ok I understand.
For me I have only seen 6 at least of single repeaters. But I should not be surprised with 3.
Yes I have started to collect the averages.
I think that is the way to go. But you also need to keep in mind that you are betting against a software :smile:
-Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 26, 10:19 AM 2016
Ok I understand.
For me I have only seen 6 at least of single repeaters. But I should not be surprised with 3.
Yes I have started to collect the averages.
I think that is the way to go. But you also need to keep in mind that you are betting against a software :smile:
-Tuddilue
I have started to collect the averages and I have them on sheets. But how do I transfer that to excel?
Are you using nottos average excel document celtic?
Thanks in advance.
-Tuddilue
:question: Corals 26.05.16
1 24
2 36
3 4
4 1
5 30
6 15
7 20
8 17
9 10
10 12
11 30
12 25
13 33
14 18
15 26
16 0
17 11
18 27
19 16
20 31
21 18
22 11
23 35
24 32
25 9
26 7
27 23
28 19
Quote from: nottophammer on May 26, 02:38 PM 2016
:question: Corals 26.05.16
1 24
2 36
3 4
4 1
5 30
6 15
7 20
8 17
9 10
10 12
11 30
12 25
13 33
14 18
15 26
16 0
17 11
18 27
19 16
20 31
21 18
22 11
23 35
24 32
25 9
26 7
27 23
28 19
-Notto
Interesting.
Where the numbers stop the 15 unhit in 30 spins has been fulfilled and Repeats are ready to come any time based on normal Averages.
Why did you stop?
-Celtic
-Notto
Or did you KTF and switch to bet the two repeats at spins 21 and 22 on the 26May16 Coral's numbers?
-Celtic
I was just watching, cheap spinning, after spin 15, i went for the 1X, after spin 18 i placed a unit also on the last 3 unhit. Finallly a win on spin 21,reduced the unit on the 1X from spins 1-15, and +1 the spins from 16-20, Win.
Now with BR almost back to even, i reduced everything backto 1 unit.
Now with 19 1x's, thinking is 2X could go 3X, and with all the 1X available, bet 1x+2x, well as you can see, Rng 6 more 0x's, £100 gone, so left.
Reason, been at this point before and its ended +5 at spin 40.
Now as i've said, i've had to change game play along the years as there comes a point where what ever one does the machine does the opposite, the last few days start KTF get 3 repeats, dont KTF just watch the nonhits fly in, so you think 1x are heavy, but no the 0x keep coming.
Even reduced units this week and again 1# does not have the same units as the others, yes pays the low unit out.
Looks like the ride to MK, Luton and good old Stratfield will have to have to happen.
Sorry to hear that, Notto. Was also having some unpleasant experiences lately.
Damn numbers. Back to laboratory!
Sorry to hear that nottophammer.
Yes I'm not so skilled as Celticknits yet but so far just small losses. Played around 15 sessions.
One thing I noticed is to bet when 1x is only 11 around spin 18. The progression is low then.
As always look at average. Both 1x and your averages..
The trott is always best at normal but one good is from normal to slow..
- Tuddilue
Here is the payout sheet for todays Jackpot247 27May16 numbers posted by Notto.
Following the tracking and Averages this should not have been a problem for anyone.
Another 7/10 in first 10 spins???
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 27MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 9
2 15
3 13
4 9 R1
5 7
6 9 R2
7 32
8 15 R1
9 24
10 17 7/10
11 16
12 18
13 4
14 1
15 2
16 17 R1
17 29
18 0
19 10 11 1 11 -11 -11
20 20 12 2 24 -24 -35
21 0 R1 13 3 39 108 69 34
22 9 R3 12 2 24 -24 10
23 26 12 3 36 -36 -26
24 12 13 4 52 -52 -78
25 20 R1 14 5 70 180 110 32
26 35 13 4 52 -52 -20
27 29 R1 13 5 65 180 115 95 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
28 26 R1 12 1 12 36 24 119
29 1 R1 11 1 11 36 25 144
30 26 R2 10 1 10 -10 134
31 13 R1 10 2 20 72 52 186
32 7 R1 9 1 9 36 27 213
33 31 8 1 8 -8 205
34 8 8 2 16 -16 189
35 14 8 3 24 -24 165
36 5 8 4 32 -32 133
37 0 R2 8 5 40 -40 93
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Thanks Celtic!
Yes, all clear here.
Okay after the RNG bashing i've gone to B+M. Table 1 and table 2, recording both, bets on non-hit and some for repeats.
Had 2 games for each table, table 2 spinning faster than table 1.
1st game table 1 stops at spin 28, game 2 started on spin 21. +182 for £1 unit, good thing is dont have to pay to spin.
Aspers mk 27.05.16
1 32
2 25
3 13
4 34
5 17
6 35
7 16
8 24
9 35
10 14
11 4
12 22
13 11
14 25
15 14
16 28
17 21
18 0
19 11
20 21
21 31
22 6
23 29
24 20
25 3
26 20
27 10
28 3
29 21
30 35
31 2
32 6
33 19
34 12
35 1
36 20
37 26
38 31
39 30
40 30
41 26
42 25
43 17
44 26
45 4
46 32
47 10
48 5
49 35
50 18
51 16
52 24
53 22
54 18
55 29
56 3
57 33
58 10
59 3
60 22
Table 2 Game 1 on table 2 stopped at spin 46. i started game 2 on table 2 at spin 38
Aspers mk 27.05.16
1 8
2 22
3 32
4 4
5 6
6 28
7 3
8 10
9 9
10 18
11 25
12 3
13 22
14 22
15 24
16 20
17 3
18 11
19 30
20 28
21 26
22 0
23 19
24 24
25 27
26 3
27 26
28 21
29 34
30 11
31 27
32 30
33 35
34 34
35 3
36 19
37 32
38 31
39 12
40 6
41 29
42 15
43 24
44 28
45 8
46 31
47 21
48 4
49 25
50 5
51 12
52 11
53 23
54 1
55 26
56 10
57 21
58 9
59 9
60 34
61 15
62 20
63 10
64 25
65 10
66 10
67 13
68 6
69 11
70 22
71 5
72 25
73 4
74 14
75 30
76 30
77 15
78 1
79 2
80 14
81 9
82 24
83 5
84 8
85 16
Now whilst waiting for Mrs hammer i thought i'd look at Celtics auto wheel, interblock. only got 29 spins, but fast non-hit, the zero made us laugh hit 34 bounced, hit 26 then rolled into the zero.
1 19
2 21
3 2
4 32
5 18
6 6
7 20
8 24
9 4
10 34
11 9
12 19
13 7
14 5
15 36
16 10
17 27
18 25
19 16
20 17
21 3
22 36
23 16
24 12
25 33
26 33
27 27
28 30
29 0
Quote from: nottophammer on May 27, 12:36 PM 2016
Okay after the RNG bashing i've gone to B+M. Table 1 and table 2, recording both, bets on non-hit and some for repeats.
Had 2 games for each table, table 2 spinning faster than table 1.
1st game table 1 stops at spin 28, game 2 started on spin 21. +182 for £1 unit, good thing is dont have to pay to spin.
Aspers mk 27.05.16
1 32
2 25
3 13
4 34
5 17
6 35
7 16
8 24
9 35
10 14
11 4
12 22
13 11
14 25
15 14
16 28
17 21
18 0
19 11
20 21
21 31
22 6
23 29
24 20
25 3
26 20
27 10
28 3
29 21
30 35
31 2
32 6
33 19
34 12
35 1
36 20
37 26
38 31
39 30
40 30
41 26
42 25
43 17
44 26
45 4
46 32
47 10
48 5
49 35
50 18
51 16
52 24
53 22
54 18
55 29
56 3
57 33
58 10
59 3
60 22
Table 2 Game 1 on table 2 stopped at spin 46. i started game 2 on table 2 at spin 38
Aspers mk 27.05.16
1 8
2 22
3 32
4 4
5 6
6 28
7 3
8 10
9 9
10 18
11 25
12 3
13 22
14 22
15 24
16 20
17 3
18 11
19 30
20 28
21 26
22 0
23 19
24 24
25 27
26 3
27 26
28 21
29 34
30 11
31 27
32 30
33 35
34 34
35 3
36 19
37 32
38 31
39 12
40 6
41 29
42 15
43 24
44 28
45 8
46 31
47 21
48 4
49 25
50 5
51 12
52 11
53 23
54 1
55 26
56 10
57 21
58 9
59 9
60 34
61 15
62 20
63 10
64 25
65 10
66 10
67 13
68 6
69 11
70 22
71 5
72 25
73 4
74 14
75 30
76 30
77 15
78 1
79 2
80 14
81 9
82 24
83 5
84 8
85 16
These two games are a perfect examples of the interplay between following Tracking and Averages to win.
Anyone wanting to bet repeats should try these!!!
-Celtic
Quote from: nottophammer on May 27, 12:43 PM 2016
Now whilst waiting for Mrs hammer i thought i'd look at Celtics auto wheel, interblock. only got 29 spins, but fast non-hit, the zero made us laugh hit 34 bounced, hit 26 then rolled into the zero.
1 19
2 21
3 2
4 32
5 18
6 6
7 20
8 24
9 4
10 34
11 9
12 19
13 7
14 5
15 36
16 10
17 27
18 25
19 16
20 17
21 3
22 36
23 16
24 12
25 33
26 33
27 27
28 30
29 0
Ah memories of my old Interbloc machine.
Not sure if I would have quit with 4 Single Repeats still due in the next 8 spins.
-Celtic
Here is the payout sheet for Nottos 28May16 Jackpot247 numbers.
Posting these is not an effort as I run Nottos numbers all the time anyways but I find it unusual that nobody asks questions.
Maybe nobody is watching????
Can anybody, other than Notto, answer these two questions on today's Jackpot247 numbers.
1) After the repeat on spin 18 can you see why I went back to tracking?
2) After the Repeat on spin 22 can you see why I started betting again?
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 28MAY16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, and the Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 19
2 8
3 34
4 18
5 31
6 27
7 23
8 28
9 24
10 10 10/10
11 12
12 35
13 12 R1
14 7
15 9
16 10 R1 13 1 13 36 23 23
17 6 12 1 12 -12 11
18 31 R1 13 2 26 72 46 57
19 10 R2 57
20 32 57
21 22 57
22 24 R1 57
23 18 R1 13 1 13 36 23 80 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
24 32 R1 12 1 12 36 24 104
25 25 11 1 11 -11 93
26 18 R2 12 2 24 -24 69
27 16 12 3 36 -36 33
28 26 12 4 48 -48 -15
29 6 R1 12 5 60 180 120 105
30 0 11 1 11 -11 94
31 24 R2 11 2 22 -22 72
32 20 11 3 33 -33 39
33 13 11 4 44 -44 -5
34 18 R3 11 5 55 -55 -60
35 8 R1 11 6 66 216 150 90
36 20 RX 10 1 10 -10 80
37 29 10 2 20 -20 60
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Thanks Celtic!
1. You stopped at spin 18, because only 6 (payable repeats) remains in next 19 spins...
2. You continued at spin 23, because we now still except 6 PR (Payable Repeat) in next 15 spins...
Or am I right?
Quote from: NextYear on May 28, 01:38 PM 2016
Thanks Celtic!
1. You stopped at spin 18, because only 6 (payable repeats) remains in next 19 spins...
I do not understand your reasoning. When would you know to start rebetting?
Remember when you make a decision know why you are making it and what you are planning down the road.
I stopped betting after spin 18 because the Single Repeat Averages were met, I am up +57 already and I want the tracking numbers to be a little better than they are. If all hell breaks loose then I will just bail out with my +57 and start again.
2. You continued at spin 23, because we now still except 6 PR (Payable Repeat) in next 15 spins...
Actually there are only five payable single repeats left according to the Averages, because one of the six just hit and we were not betting.
I started rebetting because most of the payable Single Repeats, USUALLY, happen in spins 21-30, there are only 8 spins left in that block and I still have 5 payable Single Repeats I am counting on due.
I say Usually because we are gambling and things can change. We just have to re-evaluate and adjust accordingly if they do.
Or am I right?
-Nextyear
See my comments above in Red.
Here is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 29May16 numbers.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 29MAY16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 6
3 4
4 35
5 3
6 4 R1
7 34
8 35 R1
9 36
10 29 8/10
11 20
12 29 R1
13 14
14 28
15 28 R1
16 23
17 5
18 30
19 29 R2 10 1 10 -10 -10
20 11 10 2 20 -20 -30
21 14 R1 11 3 33 108 75 45
22 26 10 2 20 -20 25
23 4 R2 11 3 33 -33 -8
24 24 11 4 44 -44 -52
25 11 R1 12 5 60 180 120 68 --- Considered quitting at this point with 2/3 of my
26 21 11 1 11 -11 57 payable Single Repeats already here...KTF
27 13 11 2 22 -22 35
28 1 11 3 33 -33 2
29 2 11 4 44 -44 -42
30 34 R1 11 5 55 180 125 83 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
31 2 RX 10 1 10 -10 73
32 35 R2 9 2 18 -18 55
33 17 9 3 27 -27 28
34 9 9 4 36 -36 -8
35 5 R1 9 5 45 180 135 127
36 5 R2 8 1 8 -8 119
37 24 R1 8 2 16 72 56 175
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Thanks for explanation, Celtic!
Today I would expect you to start after spin 20, as you have 4 repeats at 18 spins?!
Quote from: NextYear on May 29, 08:28 AM 2016
Thanks for explanation, Celtic!
Today I would expect you to start after spin 20, as you have 4 repeats at 18 spins?!
After spin 18 Averages say there still could be 1 Single Repeat in the next 2 spins (50%) and the GUT tracking is also good.
Well the Repeat came as expected but unfortuanately it was Multiple Repeat but that just puts me closer to hitting the Single Repeats.
That is why I started betting where I did.
-Celtic
jackpot247 30.5.16
1 28
2 31
3 25
4 9
5 0
6 22
7 22
8 14
9 11
10 17
11 27
12 19
13 23
14 20
15 19
16 27
17 21
18 27
19 34
20 33
21 15
22 32
23 24
24 12
25 21
26 29
27 30
28 9
29 7
30 27
31 33
32 34
33 19
34 30
35 28
36 31
37 14
38 8
39 30
40 5
41 35
42 1
43 36
44 19
45 6
46 12
47 18
48 16
49 3
50 34
51 3
52 13
53 17
54 7
55 26
56 4
57 31
58 9
59 4
60 33
61 21
62 7
63 6
64 23
65 9
66 16
67 23
68 33
69 10
70 15
71 9
72 24
73 17
74 13
75 10
76 36
Quote from: Celticknits on May 28, 01:16 PM 2016
Here is the payout sheet for Nottos 28May16 Jackpot247 numbers.
Posting these is not an effort as I run Nottos numbers all the time anyways but I find it unusual that nobody asks questions.
Maybe nobody is watching????
Can anybody, other than Notto, answer these two questions on today's Jackpot247 numbers.
1) After the repeat on spin 18 can you see why I went back to tracking?
2) After the Repeat on spin 22 can you see why I started betting again?
-Celtic
Also answered your questions and I also had a question:
Why start at spin 15? Is it because of 13 1x and that you know that in 11-20 the average is 7 so 2 repeaters is left?
1) Answer: That is because the average is 7 and you now that already 3 repeaters has been hit.
2) Answer: You start because 1 repeater is hit and G.U.T is saying that 0 vs >0 is going to cross. Then you also have 5 repeaters left in this cycle.
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 30, 07:09 AM 2016
Also answered your questions and I also had a question:
Why start at spin 15? I started at 16 Is it because of 13 14 1x have come 1x and that you know that in 11-20 the average is 7 so 2 repeaters is left YES!!!?
1) Answer: That is because the average is 7 and you now that already 3 repeaters has been hit. YES --- GOLD STAR!!!
2) Answer: You start because 1 repeater is hit and G.U.T is saying that 0 vs >0 is going to cross. Then you also have 5 repeaters left in this cycle. YES --- GOLD STAR!!!
- Tuddilue
-Tuddi
See the corrections in red.
The answers you gave to the two questions I posed were spot on.
I think you have got it but slow down and take it one step at a time.
Making a 1 digit mistake when tracking with GUT can mean the difference between betting on the next spin or just keeping on tracking.
Thank you for taking the time to answer the questions I posed.
-Celtic
Below is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 30May16 numbers.
This one demonstrates several important points.
1) What can happen if you do not consider averages in spins 11-20 and go back to tracking when that triple hit happens on spin 18.
2) This is one of the times that most of the paying Single Repeats DO NOT pay out in spins 21-30.
So at spin 30 should I be worried?
Not really because I am still expecting 4 out of the next 7 spins to pay me, and I know this is not RNG!!!
The question for you on this Payout sheet is:
1) Why did I not reset the Progression to 1 after spins 28 and 31 when I was at a new high each time.
The answer is something Notto has told us several times.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 30MAY16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 28
2 31
3 25
4 9
5 0
6 22
7 22 R1
8 14
9 11
10 17 9/10
11 27
12 19
13 23
14 20
15 19 R1
16 27 R1
17 21 --- Tracking good so start betting
18 27 R2 11 1 11 -11 -11 --- OH CRAP --3rd repeat has hapened but is a Multiple Hit
19 34 -11 so back to tracking
20 33 -11
21 15 -11
22 32 -11
23 24 -11
24 12 -11 --- Tracking is good so here we go again
25 21 R1 17 2 34 72 38 27
26 29 16 1 16 -16 11
27 30 16 2 32 -32 -21
28 9 R1 16 3 48 108 60 39
29 7 15 2 30 -30 9
30 27 R2 15 3 45 -45 -36
31 33 R1 15 4 60 144 84 48
32 34 R1 14 3 42 108 66 114 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
33 19 R2 13 1 13 -13 101
34 30 RX 12 2 24 -24 77
35 28 R1 11 3 33 108 75 152
36 31 R1 10 1 10 36 26 178
37 14 R1 9 1 9 36 27 205
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Thanks Celtic!
Notto is expecting 15 0x until spin 40, and most of them we've already seen?!
Quote from: NextYear on May 30, 11:12 AM 2016
Thanks Celtic!
Notto is expecting 15 0x until spin 40, and most of them we've already seen?!
-Nextyear
Not sure what you are saying.
I believe Nottos Averages sheets show 15 0x in spins 11-40 and 30 0x in spins 1-60.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 30, 10:40 AM 20161) Why did I not reset the Progression to 1 after spins 28 and 31 when I was at a new high each time.
The answer is something Notto has told us several times.
I mean that most of expected 0x have already hit, no?
So we hope for more 1x to come...
Quote from: Celticknits on May 30, 10:00 AM 2016
-Tuddi
See the corrections in red.
The answers you gave to the two questions I posed were spot on.
I think you have got it but slow down and take it one step at a time.
Making a 1 digit mistake when tracking with GUT can mean the difference between betting on the next spin or just keeping on tracking.
Thank you for taking the time to answer the questions I posed.
-Celtic
Thanks Celtic!
Yes I have learned by the best!
Yes I see what you mean I have to be more careful. It's easy to do some mistake...
I always tries to answer your questions. I learn a lot that way!
- Tuddilue
Quote from: Celticknits on May 30, 10:40 AM 2016
Below is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 30May16 numbers.
....
The question for you on this Payout sheet is:
1) Why did I not reset the Progression to 1 after spins 28 and 31 when I was at a new high each time.
The answer is something Notto has told us several times.
-Celtic
Answer: KTF!
- Tuddilue
jackpot247 31.5.16
1 4
2 30
3 10
4 10
5 2
6 13
7 7
8 20
9 11
10 25
11 35
12 13
13 28
14 11
15 35
16 10
17 1
18 28
19 11
20 5
21 33
22 1
23 18
24 16
25 19
26 13
27 28
28 13
29 17
30 34
31 10
32 30
33 34
34 0
35 28
36 5
37 11
38 7
39 18
40 21
41 27
42 2
43 36
44 0
45 4
46 12
47 1
48 0
49 21
50 26
51 22
52 24
53 29
54 23
55 11
56 35
57 1
58 10
59 36
60 32
61 35
Quote from: tuddilue on May 30, 01:50 PM 2016
Answer: KTF!
- Tuddilue
-Tuddi
So your decision is KTF which is correct but WHY??
-Celtic
Quote from: nottophammer on May 31, 05:07 AM 2016
jackpot247 31.5.16
1 4
2 30
3 10
4 10
5 2
6 13
7 7
8 20
9 11
10 25
11 35
12 13
13 28
14 11
15 35
16 10
17 1
18 28
19 11
20 5
21 33
22 1
23 18
24 16
25 19
26 13
27 28
28 13
29 17
30 34
31 10
32 30
33 34
34 0
35 28
36 5
37 11
38 7
39 18
40 21
41 27
42 2
43 36
44 0
45 4
46 12
47 1
48 0
49 21
50 26
51 22
52 24
53 29
54 23
55 11
56 35
57 1
58 10
59 36
60 32
61 35
Thank you for the numbers Notto.
There is no payout sheet because I would not have played these numbers.
The Averages and Tracking were never at a level that I would have been happy with and I would have done several resets and still not been happy with the way things were progressing. This translates to the better part of an hour waiting for a betting entry point.
To me that's enough time wasted waiting and I would have just left the casino or switched to BJ for the day.
This does not happen often but it does happen.
Remember just because you go into a casino does not mean that you have to spend money or place any bets.
There is always next time.
It is also pretty easy for me to make this decision because my B&M is less than 5 minutes from my house.
I think they call this discipline. :wink:
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 31, 12:00 PM 2016
-Tuddi
So your decision is KTF which is correct but WHY??
-Celtic
I think the answer has two parts :
1. The average of 1x.
At spin 28 5/9 1x has hit. So 4 more should come.
At spin 31 6/9 1x has hit. So 3 more should come.
2. You are low in the progression so to reach you win goal you do not want to reset.
- Tuddilue
Quote from: Celticknits on May 31, 12:17 PM 2016
Thank you for the numbers Notto.
There is no payout sheet because I would not have played these numbers.
The Averages and Tracking were never at a level that I would have been happy with and I would have done several resets and still not been happy with the way things were progressing. This translates to the better part of an hour waiting for a betting entry point.
To me that's enough time wasted waiting and I would have just left the casino or switched to BJ for the day.
This does not happen often but it does happen.
Remember just because you go into a casino does not mean that you have to spend money or place any bets.
There is always next time.
It is also pretty easy for me to make this decision because my B&M is less than 5 minutes from my house.
I think they call this discipline. :wink:
-Celtic
I also have started to do this. I mean before learning KTF and WTF I should have never stopped. I should have tried to bet and should have blown my bankroll..
It is like Winkel says you do not need to bet. That is always a choice. Oh how difficult I have had with this in the history of playing roulette O0
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 31, 02:42 PM 2016
I think the answer has two parts :
1. The average of 1x.
At spin 28 5/9 1x has hit. So 4 more should come.
At spin 31 6/9 1x has hit. So 3 more should come.
2. You are low in the progression so to reach you win goal you do not want to reset.
- Tuddilue
-Tuddi
Perfect!!
Never make a bet without knowing why you are doing it.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on May 31, 11:09 PM 2016
Never make a bet without knowing why you are doing it.
Always a good way of thinking. Not so easy to impliment.
Thanks Celt, Tuddi!
I am also trying to find logical place to start, but still having problem when to stop and should I take new 1x in new bets...
Quote from: NextYear on Jun 01, 01:34 AM 2016
Thanks Celt, Tuddi!
I am also trying to find logical place to start, but still having problem when to stop and should I take new 1x in new bets...
No problem..
I do not think it exist a logical place to start. I will try to explain:
I uses celtic already specified rules for WTF. When I tries to find a starting point or exit point I do this in three parts:
1. Number one is G.U.T. I always logs in G.U.T. I look at if it is slow, normal or fast? If the trott is changing. Where are the crossings?
2. Averages, how many unhit has hit? How many 1x? How many >1 has hit? How many 1x has I left to bet on? I look at nottos averages, celtics and my own...
3. Progression, I want to have low 1x to bet on -> longer progression. Always aiming for 3 1x if nothing happens with nr 1. Can I do a reset of the progression? Can I continue with current progression after a hit?
So no you will not get an easy system description. I thought that existed before. But then I always busted. These 3 parts are the ones I uses now. The number one is the one that is telling me the most. Without that I do not see what the random numbers is going.
Then you need to practice. You need to not bet. You need to bet.
Hope this helps a little...
- Tuddilue
jackpot247 01.06.16
1 8
2 19
3 10
4 1
5 8
6 27
7 13
8 33
9 12
10 15
11 33
12 17
13 15
14 6
15 11
16 34
17 25
18 29
19 31
20 35
21 22
22 29
23 25
24 9
25 3
26 6
27 35
28 29
29 15
30 25
31 17
32 29
33 12
34 34
35 3
36 18
37 26
38 19
39 21
40 2
41 16
42 5
43 25
44 23
45 0
46 17
47 3
48 1
49 28
50 35
51 10
52 34
53 23
54 15
55
56
57
58
59
60
Quote from: NextYear on Jun 01, 01:34 AM 2016
Thanks Celt, Tuddi!
I am also trying to find logical place to start, but still having problem when to stop and should I take new 1x in new bets...
-Nextyear
I add in the unhits when I am betting right up to, and including, spin 25.
-Celtic
Here is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 1Jun16 numbers.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 1JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 8
2 19
3 10
4 1
5 8 R1
6 27
7 13
8 33
9 12
10 15
11 33 R1
12 17
13 15 R1
14 6
15 11
16 34
17 25
18 29
19 31
20 35 13 1 13 -13 -13
21 22 14 2 28 -28 -41
22 29 R1 15 3 45 108 63 22
23 25 R1 14 2 28 72 44 66
24 9 13 1 13 -13 53
25 3 14 2 28 -28 25
26 6 R1 15 3 45 108 63 88 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
27 35 R1 14 2 28 72 44 132
28 29 R2 13 1 13 -13 119
29 15 R2 13 2 26 -26 93
30 25 R2 13 3 39 -39 54
31 17 R1 13 4 52 144 92 146
32 29 R3 12 3 36 -36 110
33 12 R1 12 4 48 144 96 206
34 34 R1 11 3 33 108 75 281
35 3 R1 10 2 20 72 52 333
36 18 9 1 9 -9 324
37 26 9 2 18 -18 306
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Thanks once more, you really mastered it in last 4 months! :thumbsup:
Very good thread guys, way to go. Reading this gives new people a lot to think about, some of the oldies could learn a thing or to as well.
jackpot247 02.06.16
1 7
2 11
3 23
4 12
5 12
6 6
7 30
8 18
9 18
10 19
11 26
12 19
13 1
14 9
15 8
16 18
17 0
18 14
19 34
20 33
21 28
22 16
23 36
24 25
25 7
26 31
27 26
28 0
29 29
30 0
31 7
32 27
33 20
34 18
35 34
36 26
37 8
38 11
39 8
40 31
41 21
42 28
43 3
44 1
45 32
46 25
47 8
48 1
49 14
50 27
51 19
52 9
53 21
54 10
55 31
56 12
57 15
58 0
59 17
60 36
61 2
62 15
63 14
64 22
65 8
66 3
Here is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 2Jun16 numbers - Thank You.
Nothing unusual here just a little higher than normal number of Multiple Repeats than the Average.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 2JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 11
3 23
4 12
5 12 R1
6 6
7 30
8 18
9 18 R1
10 19 8/10
11 26
12 19 R1
13 1
14 9
15 8
16 18 R2
17 0
18 14
19 34
20 33 12 1 12 -12 -12
21 28 13 2 26 -26 -38
22 16 14 3 42 -42 -80
23 36 0 -80
24 25 0 -80
25 7 R1 17 4 68 144 76 -4
26 31 16 3 48 -48 -52
27 26 R1 16 4 64 144 80 28
28 0 R1 15 3 45 108 63 91 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
29 29 14 1 14 -14 77
30 0 R2 14 2 28 -28 49
31 7 R2 14 3 42 -42 7
32 27 14 4 56 -56 -49
33 20 14 5 70 -70 -119
34 18 R3 14 6 84 -84 -203
35 34 R1 14 7 98 252 154 -49
36 26 R2 13 6 78 -78 -127
37 8 R1 13 7 91 252 161 34
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Got 48 units on spin 38, so out the door :question:
coral 02.06.16
1 11
2 9
3 4
4 15
5 10
6 33
7 11
8 7
9 0
10 9
11 18
12 7
13 8
14 1
15 21
16 24
17 34
18 14
19 30
20 28
21 22
22 7
23 12
24 31
25 6
26 22
27 9
28 5
29 12
30 24
31 27
32 21
33 19
34 15
35 11
36 4
37 32
38 22
39
40
Quote from: Celticknits on Jun 02, 08:16 AM 2016
Here is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 2Jun16 numbers - Thank You.
Nothing unusual here just a little higher than normal number of Multiple Repeats than the Average.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 2JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 11
3 23
4 12
5 12 R1
6 6
7 30
8 18
9 18 R1
10 19 8/10
11 26
12 19 R1
13 1
14 9
15 8
16 18 R2
17 0
18 14
19 34
20 33 12 1 12 -12 -12
21 28 13 2 26 -26 -38
22 16 14 3 42 -42 -80
23 36 0 -80
24 25 0 -80
25 7 R1 17 4 68 144 76 -4
26 31 16 3 48 -48 -52
27 26 R1 16 4 64 144 80 28
28 0 R1 15 3 45 108 63 91 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
29 29 14 1 14 -14 77
30 0 R2 14 2 28 -28 49
31 7 R2 14 3 42 -42 7
32 27 14 4 56 -56 -49
33 20 14 5 70 -70 -119
34 18 R3 14 6 84 -84 -203
35 34 R1 14 7 98 252 154 -49
36 26 R2 13 6 78 -78 -127
37 8 R1 13 7 91 252 161 34
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Got some question for you celtic when I run these numbers:
The signal of 0 vs >0 crossing was on spin 22:
16 19 18
The signal of 0 vs 1 crossing was on spin 24:
25 17 20 17
So did you use the second crossing to decide that you can start bet again?
In combination with that it also had gone 4 unhits in 21-30 that has average of 5?
I haven't seen you use the 0 vs 1, so got curious about it,
-Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Jun 02, 02:45 PM 2016
Got some question for you celtic when I run these numbers:
The signal of 0 vs >0 crossing was on spin 22:
16 19 --- This number is one lower than mine because I start my tracking with 37 unhit numbers not 36 18 --- I think you forgot to reduce the hit once numbers by one each time there was a repeat. Regardless there is no crossing here.
The signal of 0 vs 1 crossing --- I do not understand what you are saying here was on spin 24:
25 17 20 17 --- What is this number ?
So did you use the second crossing to decide that you can start bet again? --- No because there was no crossing if you look at my attached sheet.
In combination with that it also had gone 4 unhits in 21-30 that has average of 5?
YES this was definitely part of the reason
I haven't seen you use the 0 vs 1, so got curious about it,
I am not sure what you mean by 0 vs 1.
If you are talking about the numbers that have not come yet to ones that have come ONCE you would be incorrect because that is my main consideration when looking for a crossing.
-Tuddilue
-Tuddi
Also see my comments in red above.
I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to reply to you.
I have attached a copy of the sheet I use in the casino and when I run Nottos numbers for tracking.
The main thing to note is that I start my tracking with 37 numbers not 36.
-Notto can clear this up for me.
On a Euro '0' wheel should tracking start with 37 or 36 numbers and on an American wheel 38 numbers or 36 numbers.
Without showing the spin number and actual number spun the tracking after spin 22 is 20-14-3-1 (With 36 numbers it would be 19-14-3-1).
Either way there is not a crossing.
I think you forgot to reduce the number of single hits by one when the Repeats came.
After spin 24 my tracking shows 18-16-3-1 - No crossing (With 36 numbers this would be 17-16-3-1 which WOULD indicate a crossing)
So I started to rebet at spin 25 considering
ALL following reasons:
1) I still expect 6 paying Single repeats in the next 13 spins based on Averages.
2) As you noted, there are usually 5 repeats and 5 Unhit numbers in spins 21-30 according to the Averages and none have come yet.
3) We have already got 12 of the 15 unhit numbers that are on the Averages Sheet between 11 and 40
4) The number of unhit numbers is at 18.
I put this list in order of relevance to me.
Does this help clear things up Tuddi?
-Celtic
Euro wheel start with 37, so after 1st spin 36-1
jackpot247 03.06.16
1 11
2 30
3 12
4 23
5 4
6 17
7 34
8 13
9 10
10 18
11 6
12 4
13 32
14 15
15 17
16 10
17 26
18 28
19 1
20 15
21 31
22 9
23 1
24 23
25 8
26 10
27 7
28 31
29 6
30 30
31 0
32 3
33 21
34 20
35 23
36 6
37 20
38 15
39 11
40 31
41 34
42 4
43 20
44 12
45 22
46 25
47 36
48 20
49 17
50 0
51 3
52 13
53 13
54 6
55 25
56 26
57 11
58 25
59
60
Thank you Celtic, nicely explained!
One question though:
are little numbers under 1x's telling us how many of first time repeaters you are still expecting?
And something that I noticed that you are doing wrong:
After spin 1 you should write 36-1, instead of 37-1, as 1 number came and 36 are 0x's!
If you were on 38# wheel, this would be correct 37-1...
If in betting shop this paper tracker is okay as have time to show markings, in the B+M would be okay if it was in the evening when table is busy.
Our figures have to equal 37,
At spin 24 it shows #span 25, 0x 17, 1x 17, >1x 3, 2x 2, >2x 1, 3x 1
17 17 2 1 =37
Thanks Celticknits for your explanation.
I will also analyse tonight the figures again.
I'll come back to you later today when I have more time..
- Tuddilue
Aha that explains why you do not use the second crossing:
# 0 >0 1
25 17 20 17
I have also written the different G.U.T numbers. So the signal is that the crossing is coming. I mean between 0 vs 1. I usually don't use this crossing for WTF. Because of that I asked. Me myself should have used the average as you also said...
I use a tracker for G.U.T I think that is easier for me. But I'm a newbie on G.U.T so for now it is easier to see graphics than reading the numbers as you, notto and winkel is doing. I tries of course. But this is easier for me and I see everything much better.
But the thing I see in the tracker is that it starts on 36. Counting down one the first unhit that has hit. But I think that is ok, or?
So I agree of all the reasons you has written to start betting.
Yes it is helping.
I now understand why you start bet again on spin 25. I also see that the crossing 0 vs 1 is just a coincidence. But I will have an eye on this crossing because I think it is interesting. It is the same as SimonZed1 is betting on I think he is calling it 0x -> 1x and that is usually occurring at spin 37.
Thanks for you explanation celtic!
-Tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 03, 04:03 AM 2016
Our figures have to equal 37, or 38 on an American wheel
At spin 24 it shows #span 25, 0x 17, 1x 17, >1x 3, 2x 2, >2x 1, 3x 1
17 17 2 1 =37
-Notto
Not sure how I got off track.
Pretty sure it is because at my B&M I only have the American wheel option and I just did not adjust the numbers when doing the Jackpot247 Euro wheel numbers.
Thank you for seting me right AGAIN :smile:
-Celtic
Quote from: NextYear on Jun 03, 02:36 AM 2016
Thank you Celtic, nicely explained!
One question though:
are little numbers under 1x's telling us how many of first time repeaters you are still expecting?
YES
And something that I noticed that you are doing wrong:
After spin 1 you should write 36-1, instead of 37-1, as 1 number came and 36 are 0x's!
If you were on 38# wheel, this would be correct 37-1...
I noticed that and why I asked Notto for an explanation.
The sheet I posted is the same one I use when I play at the B&M and I print it out before going.
I only have the American wheel available so spin 1 is 37 - 1.
That's the only reason I can see for me making that error.
Checking my old GUT sheets I used the 36 - 1 for Notto's Euro numbers.
Not sure how I got off track but at least I am back on track now.
Thank you for mentioning it.
-Celtic
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 03, 04:03 AM 2016
If in betting shop this paper tracker is okay as have time to show markings, in the B+M would be okay if it was in the evening when table is busy.
Our figures have to equal 37,
At spin 24 it shows #span 25, 0x 17, 1x 17, >1x 3, 2x 2, >2x 1, 3x 1
17 17 2 1 =37
-Notto
On the tracking sheet you attached can you please explain why the Hit 1 numbers were not reduced on spins 16, 30, 31, 34 and 36?
-Celtic
Hi Celtic
spins 16 is #18 and has already hit twice, so we now mark the 3x column and the >2 column and deduct the 2x column by 1.
We know theres 25,0x's if we add the 1,2,3x columns we have 12 that have hit, 12 +25=37, so you still have 9,1x's because the #18 was a 2x.
You can see what to be bet in the righthand columns going 20 to 30.
As said this papertracker is okay if you have time, otherwise i use the sheet used in postings for KTF.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 04, 05:01 AM 2016
Hi Celtic
spins 16 is #18 and has already hit twice, so we now mark the 3x column and the >2 column and deduct the 2x column by 1.
We know theres 25,0x's if we add the 1,2,3x columns we have 12 that have hit, 12 +25=37, so you still have 9,1x's because the #18 was a 2x.
You can see what to be bet in the righthand columns going 20 to 30.
As said this papertracker is okay if you have time, otherwise i use the sheet used in postings for KTF.
-Notto
Thank you for the explanation.
-Celtic
jackpot247 04.06.16
1 22
2 11
3 11
4 2
5 20
6 11
7 11
8 28
9 0
10 9
11 34
12 7
13 30
14 15
15 11
16 33
17 6
18 29
19 16
20 34
21 8
22 4
23 35
24 36
25 11
26 7
27 21
28 17
29 19
30 23
31 0
32 34
33 10
34 17
35 27
36 0
37 9
38 5
39 23
40 23
41 35
42 20
43 28
44 11
45 26
46 29
47 13
48 10
49 12
50 21
51 31
52 36
53 2
54 26
55 26
56 35
57 35
58 17
59 26
60 23
61 12
62 11
63 34
64 24
65 29
66 30
67 32
jackpot247 05.06.16
1 17
2 32
3 33
4 8
5 13
6 7
7 31
8 32
9 0
10 25
11 4
12 20
13 12
14 3
15 12
16 3
17 19
18 27
19 14
20 13
21 29
22 3
23 25
24 8
25 21
26 4
27 36
28 21
29 22
30 32
31 3
32 35
33 29
34 31
35 33
36 32
37 23
38 2
39 3
40 26
41 32
42 4
43 9
44 31
45 10
46 9
47 30
48 16
49 30
50 30
51 15
52 36
53 3
54 35
55 9
56 35
57 8
58 33
59 12
60 35
It's been a while since I posted here so I thought that I would post a payout sheet for today's Jackpot247 numbers Notto posted in the KTF thread.
Decision to start betting where I did was based on a GUT count of 24 11 2 after spin 15 and the fact that averages show 3 Single repeats COULD come in the next 5 spins.
Had I decided to continue I would have gone back to watching GUT and started betting again after spin 29 when the GUT count is 15 15 6 1
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 16JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 17
2 14
3 9
4 29
5 2
6 14 R1
7 18
8 26
9 27
10 26 R1 8/10
11 6
12 8
13 15
14 5
15 23 --- GUT tracking is 24 11 2 and still 3 Single Repeats on Avg. in next 5 spins
16 19 11 1 11 -11 -11
17 21 12 2 24 -24 -35
18 29 R1 13 3 39 108 69 34
19 17 R1 12 2 24 72 48 82 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
20 10 11 1 11 -11 71
21 6 R1 12 71 --- Back to tracking GUT
22 13 11 71
23 25 12 71
24 34 12 71
25 24 14 71
26 2 R1 15 71
27 26 R2 14 71
28 1 14 71
29 12 14 71 --- GUT is 15 15 6 1
30 2 R2 14 2 28 -28 43
31 30 14 3 42 -42 1
32 21 R1 14 4 56 144 88 89
33 23 R1 13 1 13 36 23 112
34 21 R2 12 1 12 -12 100
35 8 R1 12 2 24 72 48 148
36 12 RX 11 1 11 -11 137
37 32 11 2 22 -22 115
Thanks Celt!
Valuable info for our battle...
Good to see ya Celtic
Thanks! Good to see you again celtic!
Just in case Celtic wants to do a sheet
Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 15 37
2 35 36
3 14 35
4 18 34
5 4 33
6 30 32
7 24 31
8 20 30
9 18 R 29
10 15 R 29
11 23 29 1 7 7
12 32 28 1 8 15
13 21 27 1 9 24
14 36 26 1 10 34
15 8 25 1 11 45
16 2 24 1 12 57
17 20 R 23 1 -23 34
18 13 23 2 26 60
19 33 22 1 14 74
20 2 R 21 1 -21 53
21 21 R 21 2 -42 11
22 20 R 21 3 -63 -52
23 4 R 21 4 -84 -136
24 20 R 21 5 -105 -241
25 34 21 6 90 -151
26 3 20 5 80 -71
27 4 R 19 4 -76 -147
28 21 R 19 5 -95 -242
29 0 19 6 102 -140
30 36 R 18 5 -90 -230
31 7 18 6 108 -122
32 3 R 17 5 -85 -207
33 25 17 6 114 -93
34 14 R 16 5 -80 -173
35 31 16 6 120 -53
36 7 R 15 5 -75 -128
37 28 15 6 126 -2
38 19 14 5 110 108
39 17 13 4 92 200
40 29 12 3 72 272
41 35 R 11 2 -22 250
42 9 11 3 75 325
43 17 R 10 2 -20 305
44 26 10 3 78 383
45 20 R 9 2 -18 365
46 33 R 9 3 -27 338
47 26 R 9 4 -36 302
48 26 R 9 5 -45 257
49 22 9 6 162 419
50 23 R 8 5 -40 379
51 35 R 8 6 -48 331
52 3 R 8 7 -56 275
53 26 R 8 8 -64 211
54 7 R 8 9 -72 139
55 24 R 8 10 -80 59
56 7 R 8 11 -88 -29
57 11 8 12 336 307
58 26 R 7 11 -77 230
59 5 7 12 348 578
60 R
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 17, 06:48 AM 2016
Just in case Celtic wants to do a sheet
Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 15 37
2 35 36
3 14 35
4 18 34
5 4 33
6 30 32
7 24 31
8 20 30
9 18 R 29
10 15 R 29
11 23 29 1 7 7
12 32 28 1 8 15
13 21 27 1 9 24
14 36 26 1 10 34
15 8 25 1 11 45
16 2 24 1 12 57
17 20 R 23 1 -23 34
18 13 23 2 26 60
19 33 22 1 14 74
20 2 R 21 1 -21 53
21 21 R 21 2 -42 11
22 20 R 21 3 -63 -52
23 4 R 21 4 -84 -136
24 20 R 21 5 -105 -241
25 34 21 6 90 -151
26 3 20 5 80 -71
27 4 R 19 4 -76 -147
28 21 R 19 5 -95 -242
29 0 19 6 102 -140
30 36 R 18 5 -90 -230
31 7 18 6 108 -122
32 3 R 17 5 -85 -207
33 25 17 6 114 -93
34 14 R 16 5 -80 -173
35 31 16 6 120 -53
36 7 R 15 5 -75 -128
37 28 15 6 126 -2
38 19 14 5 110 108
39 17 13 4 92 200
40 29 12 3 72 272
41 35 R 11 2 -22 250
42 9 11 3 75 325
43 17 R 10 2 -20 305
44 26 10 3 78 383
45 20 R 9 2 -18 365
46 33 R 9 3 -27 338
47 26 R 9 4 -36 302
48 26 R 9 5 -45 257
49 22 9 6 162 419
50 23 R 8 5 -40 379
51 35 R 8 6 -48 331
52 3 R 8 7 -56 275
53 26 R 8 8 -64 211
54 7 R 8 9 -72 139
55 24 R 8 10 -80 59
56 7 R 8 11 -88 -29
57 11 8 12 336 307
58 26 R 7 11 -77 230
59 5 7 12 348 578
60 R
-Notto
Thank you for the numbers.
You know I always have time to do a sheet. :wink:
This is a good example of not being greedy.
When I quit I knew that there were still a great deal of single repeaters left and the temptation to continue is there.
Betting entry point was based, as always, on GUT tracking and Averages.
Here is the payout sheet for Betting Single Repeats.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 17JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 15
2 35
3 14
4 18
5 4
6 30
7 24
8 20
9 18 R1
10 15 R1 8/10
11 23
12 32
13 21
14 36 --- GUT tracking is 24-11-2 and still 3 Single Repeats due in Averages
15 8 10 1 10 -10 -10
16 2 11 2 22 -22 -32
17 20 R1 12 3 36 108 72 40
18 13 11 2 22 -22 18
19 33 12 3 36 -36 -18
20 2 R1 13 4 52 144 92 74 --- Close enough to Win/Stop for me so QUIT!!!
21 21 R1 12 1 12 36 24 98
22 20 R2 11 1 11 -11 87
23 4 R1 11 2 22 72 50 137
24 20 R3 10 1 10 -10 127
25 34 10 2 20 -20 107
26 3 11 3 33 -33 74
27 4 R2 11 4 44 -44 30
28 21 R2 11 5 55 -55 -25
29 0 11 6 66 -66 -91
30 36 R1 11 7 77 252 175 84
31 7 10 6 60 -60 24
32 3 RX 10 7 70 -70 -46
33 25 10 8 80 -80 -126
34 14 R1 10 9 90 324 234 108
35 31 9 1 9 -9 99
36 7 RX 9 2 18 -18 81
37 28 9 3 27 -27 54
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Decided to go visit the local B&M.
American Airball wheel by Fusion.
Had an interesting discussion with casino management when I checked out.
They wanted to know my thoughts on why I was only one of the few regulars that returned to play on their new machines after the change.
I told them for a $20 play ticket I would give them my thoughts.
Got the free $20 play ticket and told them that IMHO the new machines had ther following bad things compared to the Interbloc Airball they used to have:
1) Too low a betting time limit --- The plasterers need more time
2) Too poor a visual on the actual wheel that is less than 1/2 the size of the old one
3) There was never a timeout feature for virtual play on the old Interbloc machine
4) The old Interblock gave you a lot more history than the new machines
Then they asked me if I ever lost on the new machines.
My answer was ----- 'With a HE of over 5% how could you possibly hope to win all the time'? :twisted:
So all in all another good day.
$80 in profit and a $20 free play voucher which I have since discovered is only usable on the slots.
Oh well --- The wife will be happy.
Here is my payout sheet for betting Single Repeats.
-Celtic
GEORGIAN DOWNS 17JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 35
3 3
4 17
5 33
6 20
7 24
8 36
9 10
10 20 R1 9/10
11 16
12 6
13 27
14 21
15 11 12 1 12 -12 -12 --- GUT Tracking good here
16 22 13 2 26 -26 -38
17 13 14 3 42 -42 -80
18 22 R1 15 4 60 144 84 4
19 00 14 3 42 -42 -38
20 7 R1 15 4 60 144 84 46 --- Back to GUT tracking
21 12 0 46
22 25 0 46
23 19 16 1 16 -16 30 --- GUT Tracking is 18-17-3
24 0 17 2 34 -34 -4
25 1 18 3 54 -54 -58
26 7 R2 19 4 76 -76 -134
27 25 R1 19 5 95 180 85 -49
28 36 R1 18 4 72 144 72 23
29 00 R1 17 3 51 108 57 80 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
30 12 R1 16 1 16 36 20 100
31 23 15 1 15 -15 85
32 7 R3 15 1 15 -15 70
33 9 15 2 30 -30 40
34 15 15 3 45 -45 -5
35 8 15 4 60 -60 -65
36 19 R1 15 5 75 180 105 40
37 9 RX 14 5 70 -70 -30
38 6 R1 14 6 84 216 132 102
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Thanks for the story, Celt!
Hard session, the one they "gave" you...
Quote from: Celticknits on Jun 17, 04:26 PM 20161) Too low a betting time limit
I wonder why? >:D
jackpot247 18.06.16
1 23
2 22
3 27
4 11
5 33
6 26
7 26
8 1
9 26
10 36
11 33
12 8
13 27
14 25
15 14
16 12
17 12
18 26
19 16
20 24
21 16
22 3
23 25
24 30
25 21
26 27
27 14
28 8
29 11
30 23
31 13
32 6
33 5
34 36
35 18
36 19
37 21
38 8
39 29
40 9
41 33
42 18
43 0
44 25
45 29
46 19
47 2
48 19
49 27
50 21
51 20
52 11
53 13
54 0
55 1
56 16
57 28
58 32
59 15
60 6
Notto's June 18 Jackpot247 were a good test of patience.
I reset twice.
Thank You for the numbers Notto.
The first reset was based on not being able to get a good GUT tracking and by spin 20 the averages were not good either so I reset to knock out the Triple and restarted at spin 10.
This time the GUT tracking was not bad but the averages were not good and by spin 20 5 of my expected 9 Single Repeats were gone so I reset to spin 20 of the original number set.
Third time was the charm.
Betting entry point was based on the 19-18-0 GUT tracking after spin 17 and the Averages.
On many occasions Winkel has warned about betting the 19-18 crossing BUT in spins 11-20 the Averages also show we COULD have 3 repeats in the next three spins so I start to bet.
After spin 20 the GUT tracking is 18-17-2 so continue on betting.
Betting from here on in was based, as always, on the GUT tracking and Notto's Averages sheets.
Here is the payout sheet.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 18JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 24
2 16
3 3
4 25
5 30
6 21
7 27
8 14
9 8
10 11 10/10
11 23
12 13
13 6
14 5
15 36
16 18
17 19
18 21 R1 17 1 17 36 19 19
19 8 R1 16 1 16 36 20 39
20 29 15 1 15 -15 24
21 9 16 2 32 -32 -8
22 33 17 3 51 -51 -59
23 18 R1 18 4 72 144 72 13
24 0 17 3 51 -51 -38
25 25 R1 18 4 72 144 72 34
26 29 R1 17 3 51 108 57 91 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
27 19 R1 16 1 16 36 20 111
28 2 15 1 15 -15 96
29 19 R2 15 2 30 -30 66
30 27 R1 15 3 45 108 63 129
31 21 R2 14 1 14 -14 115
32 20 14 2 28 -28 87
33 11 R1 14 3 42 108 66 153
34 13 R1 13 1 13 36 23 176
35 0 R1 12 1 12 36 24 200
36 1 11 1 11 -11 189
37 16 R1 11 2 22 72 50 239
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Great to read Celtic. Shows patience pays off.
Yes, nice analyze, I almost forgot about jump. :thumbsup:
I've been looking at so many things lately that I am completely lost atm!
Thanks Celt!
Today's 19Jun16 Jackpot247 numbers from Notto were another great test although I had to reset to start at spin 13 because I could not find a good betting entry point and by spin 20 I would have had 6 of my 9 expected single repeats gone.
This time betting entry point was based primarily on GUT tracking but considered Averages also.
After 2nd win at spin 17 I am up +65 and only expect 1 repeat in the next 3 spins so back to tracking.
If I do not find a favourable re-entry point I WILL WALK WITH THE +65.
This takes discipline and goes along with the patience and greed factors.
The one thing to note here is that this spin cycle sure as hell did not adhere to the Averages or LOTT.
Have not seen 29 non hits and 2 Multiple Repeats in a 37 spin cycle for a long tome but this is gambling after all.
Here is the payout sheet.
-Celtic
JACKPOT247 19JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 15
2 10
3 24
4 22
5 3
6 25
7 2
8 23
9 10 R1
10 29 9/10
11 26
12 21
13 30
14 25 R1 11 1 11 36 25 25
15 27 10 1 10 -10 15
16 17 11 2 22 -22 -7
17 21 R1 12 3 36 108 72 65
18 20 0 65
19 9 0 65
20 32 0 65
21 33 0 65
22 10 R2 0 65
23 14 0 65
24 7 0 65
25 5 17 1 17 -17 48
26 32 R1 18 2 36 72 36 84 --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
27 34 17 1 17 -17 67
28 4 17 2 34 -34 33
29 11 17 3 51 -51 -18
30 24 R1 17 4 68 144 76 58
31 19 16 3 48 -48 10
32 12 16 4 64 -64 -54
33 9 R1 16 5 80 180 100 46
34 13 15 4 60 -60 -14
35 25 R2 15 5 75 -75 -89
36 35 15 6 90 -90 -179
37 18 15 7 105 -105 -284
NOTE: R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on
Todays numbers for slow testing instead of a million rx spins
jackpot247 20.06.16
1 12
2 5
3 33
4 11
5 15
6 16
7 32
8 29
9 16
10 6
11 11
12 4
13 13
14 20
15 17
16 27
17 1
18 18
19 20
20 9
21 34
22 28
23 26
24 7
25 0
26 13
27 8
28 30
29 22
30 22
31 28
32 33
33 16
34 15
35 6
36 21
37 36
38 25
39 20
40 32
41 36
42 18
43 31
44 2
45 17
46 23
47 19
48 30
49 26
50 17
51 5
52 21
53 22
54 33
55 27
56 27
57 12
58 11
59 30
60 2
jackpot247 25.06.16
1 13
2 2
3 12
4 4
5 21
6 6
7 7
8 25
9 34
10 9
11 8
12 28
13 30
14 30
15 31
16 5
17 8
18 20
19 23
20 3
21 33
22 0
23 26
24 7
25 3
26 30
27 34
28 9
29 31
30 35
31 36
32 16
33 1
34 15
35 34
36 12
37 31
38 15
39 6
40 13
41 26
42 21
43 27
44 32
45 9
46 15
47 33
48 24
49 1
50 9
51 5
52 12
53 18
54 7
55 20
56 1
57 16
58 24
59 9
60 25
61 30
62 2
63 12
64 13
65 27
66 31
67 8
68 3
69 32
70 14
71 24
72 16
73 36
74 35
75 11
76 18
77 34
78 36
79 19
80 35
81 36
82 28
83 13
84 21
85 24
86 0
87 6
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
jackpot247 27.06.16
1 12
2 8
3 34
4 3
5 1
6 26
7 18
8 4
9 15
10 17
11 31
12 36
13 34
14 6
15 17
16 14
17 23
18 26
19 19
20 30
21 12
22 34
23 17
24 35
25 18
26 29
27 23
28 4
29 29
30 26
31 1
32 5
33 0
34 1
35 32
36 33
37 32
38 33
39 12
40 24
41 14
42 15
43 1
44 19
45 35
46 19
47 9
48 36
49 0
50 19
51 31
52 3
53 23
54 0
55 8
56 7
57 28
58 1
59 27
60 23
61 21
62 29
63 4
Forget Turbo
Study this and read what Celtic knits posts, that will get you winning, not betting on outside dozens :yawn:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 12:21 PM 2016
Forget Turbo
Study this and read what Celtic knits posts, that will get you winning, not betting on outside dozens :yawn:
Yes totally agree. Still plays Wtf it's a really good method. It works. Is it someone else playing it?
- Tuddilue
Hi All!
After years of betting random and systems based and geometry squares/circles/pentagons/fullmoon-that-night and lost some money I finally found WTF, KTF and GUT !
I'm studying and during studying, saving money, :-)
I saw a lot of hard work around ours threads and I think this is really amazing!
Just a lot of dubts , hope someone can clarify .Thanks
BR
Quote from: Gitano on Oct 21, 10:20 PM 2017
Hi All!
After years of betting random and systems based and geometry squares/circles/pentagons/fullmoon-that-night and lost some money I finally found WTF, KTF and GUT !
I'm studying and during studying, saving money, :-)
I saw a lot of hard work around ours threads and I think this is really amazing!
Just a lot of dubts , hope someone can clarify .Thanks
BR
YES! this is a good strategy guys! Triplicate my BR yesterday betting smoothly repeaters without big problems.
The most funny parts is to see people around me betting random a lot of chips and lose lose lose .Whyy people?
Gitano
If you agree to 15 non-hit in spins 11-40, then thats 15 non-hit with 15 repeats, so just watch how the non-hit come, remember average to hit and what countback is showing.
Good to hear your winning
Thanks Notto , I'm following your advices and read and study all the threads here by Celtic and others people and GUT too.
More practice I do and more understand the trots. It's fantastic how this strategy keep so mystic and emotionally stable to play this way. Some time repeatears are in a so good average that I bet and no need to look at the roulette landing on my repeaters #'s . :twisted: :thumbsup:
Regards
Gitano
Can you read this trot from todays #'s
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Would you start betting for repeats from spin 31 after check point 21-30 or you could do the same from spin 41after check point 31-40 ?
Could you remind me how you write down the trot (hit and nonhit) Notto
1-10 9/10
11-20 etc
21-30 etc
I do remember reading it somewhere?
Off to the game now so will check in later.
ArmitageShanks and Gitano
Played these 3 games today, betfred,coral and paddy. Armitage i posted in Nottophammer way a couple more machines, these play .25p and increment in 1 units.
Armitage betfred 9/10 then 11-20 7,+2 21-30 12,+2 31-40 26,+2 so 17 non-hit came in spins 11-40
Corals 24th non-hit spin39 but i'd made £12 or 48 units but we won't know if went 25,+0 but it started -1 even at spin 30 i'd at a guess would think it would end 25,+0.
PP i won on spin 40 as 15 non-hit have come and the usual 7,+2 12,+2 and as 3non-hit came together i fancied the game to be balanced, like Vaddi says the wheel has to balance.
So 3 games no longer than 25 mins each game £37.25 using .25p units
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Thanks.
I forget though how to write the countback? Im just keeping track of x0 and x1 and if they are coming early making my decision on that. I do remember seeing it explained but cant find it.
:thumbsup:
Yes yes! Second time to my live terrestrial casino airball and I doubled my BR!
That's amazing, from 15th to 30th spins is my favourite section where lovely repeaters come often.Sometimes I thought the only limit to this strategy is the waiting time/time spent at the casino..
Regards
Hi All,
I've been too greedy and I busted my daily bankroll. :sad2:
However, I think I mistake to play splits and streets togheter with repetears..this is really wrong?
I was wrong too, to continue playing without a stopwin sometimes, when averages were very good, but roulette do not want to follow averages..(like 24# non-hits successions)I expect repeaters..
Finally, I think I played without much patience too. Repeaters come only for whom have time and patience
Best regards
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Great initiative
I like it !