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Title: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 01, 05:57 PM 2016
I have been toying with ideas on large number bets, on a loss switch the bet

JUST AN IDEA, no claims

just want to discuss....some new "faces" here, lets get a discussion going

this particular bet selection itself may be "stupid" but the IDEA may work if applied properly

Idea:

Step 1- Bet 3 units on low, 2 units on 3rd dozen continuously. On a loss we are down 5 units, now go to step 2. Unless we are up, then stay.

Step 2- Now bet 6 units on dozen 2 and 3. If lose we are down 17 units, and goto step 3

Step 3- Bet 18 units on each of 5 Double Streets one time. If win reset.

Get the idea? Change the bet with large number amounts so that our chances of winning are increased.

the 6 units on step 2 will recoup the losses from step 1
the losses from step 1 and 2 are recouped on step 3



Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:04 PM 2016
Any input?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 10:29 PM 2016
First off, ask yourself this question:

Why do you feel it should work?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 02, 10:30 PM 2016
Honestly that's a lot to remember in a casino setting.  You're with your friends/family and
you want to make money, yet be social enough to carry on a light-hearted conversation.

With a system like this your head will be buried in your notes trying to follow the steps.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:30 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 10:29 PM 2016
First off, ask yourself this question:

Why do you feel it should work?

Business in the VB world slow? Week off?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:31 PM 2016
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 02, 10:30 PM 2016
Honestly that's a lot to remember in a casino setting.  You're with your friends/family and
you want to make money, yet be social enough to carry on a light-hearted conversation.

With a system like this your head will be buried in your notes trying to follow the steps.

Good point

Thinking airball. Alone. A quick in and out
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:33 PM 2016
Its not that hard though

Low and 3rd dozen. 5 units.

On a loss doz 2 and 3. 6 units each.

On a loss 5 DS. 18 units each.

The question is. When the loss occurs are we ahead?

Math says we will lose

But each bet is independent and have the same odds

To lose all 3 is unlikely

The question remains. When the loss occurs ARE WE AHEAD. The inevitable loss happens. Seldom. We are ahead at that time.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 10:34 PM 2016
Quote
Business in the VB world slow? Week off?

I'm off for two weeks or so.  It depends on the storms.  This time of year I storm chase off and on until mid June.


Now regarding the system:  You posed the question on a public forum... asking for input. 
So again, why do you believe that it will work?

Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:36 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 10:34 PM 2016
I'm off for two weeks or so.  It depends on the storms.  This time of year I storm chase off and on until mid June.


Now regarding the system:  You posed the question on a public forum asking for input. 
So again, why do you believe that it will work?

Storm chase? Weather used to be a hobby of mine. I worked at a weather station
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 10:37 PM 2016
Yep... tornadoes.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:38 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 10:37 PM 2016
Yep... tornadoes.

Im into snow. Or was.

Funny enough the weather boards are similar to this board. Lmao.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:40 PM 2016
Back to the method

Step 1 is 30 numbers. High chance of win

Step 2 is 24 numbers. good chance to win

Step 3 is 30 numbers. High chance of win

Lose all 3 steps? How often

For this to fail we would have to lose all 3 steps often.  Which aint gonna happen
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 10:41 PM 2016
What is your hypothesis as to why it should work? What is the mechanism that could enable it to win?

1. Form a hypothesis.
2. Make a prediction.
3. Test the prediction.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:44 PM 2016
Ok general

Why should all 3 steps fail enough times to give me a negative balance

Up to page 10 in zumma says im up nicely

So i understand where you are coming from, show me a loss.....give me spins

Again,  read the 3 steps. Hows likely is it to lose all 3? Odds wise give me a percentage.

Your opinion aside what are the chances of losing all 3 bets? and are we up on a loss. 

No opinion. Strictly math. Whats the odds of losing ALL 3 steps?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 10:46 PM 2016
Rouletteghost,

Do you think the method would work if you flat bet?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:47 PM 2016
It is flat bet. Each bet is independent

Step 1 is 5 units

Next bet is 12 units

Etc

My math question is this: analyze the 3 steps. Whats the odds of losing all 3?

Look at the 3 bets. Chances of losing all 3? Answer that
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:50 PM 2016
Im not winkel. I have thick skin. Im not going anywhere. So answer it.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 10:51 PM 2016
QuoteStep 1- Bet 3 units on low, 2 units on 3rd dozen continuously. On a loss we are down 5 units, now go to step 2. Unless we are up, then stay.

Step 2- Now bet 6 units on dozen 2 and 3. If lose we are down 17 units, and goto step 3

Step 3- Bet 18 units on each of 5 Double Streets one time. If win reset.

Get the idea? Change the bet with large number amounts so that our chances of winning are increased.



You're increasing your bet at each step.  It's not flat bet.
Here are the facts:  There's no reason that your bets should have an effect on the house edge.  This means that every bet has a negative expectation.
If you add the progression, then you're simply subjecting even more money to the house edge.  This means that you will lose even more than if you were to flat bet one unit.

It's not worth calculating the odds, because the probability of success is still lower than what house is willing to payout.

Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:53 PM 2016
Your a math boy

Answer me

Step 1. 30 numbers

Step 2. 24 numbers.

Step 3. 30 numbers.

Whats odds of losing all 3?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:56 PM 2016
Mathematical odds

Losing 3 bets in a row

30 numbers
24 numbers
30 numbere

Losing all 3. Odds?

Are we ahead on a loss?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 10:58 PM 2016
See reply # 17.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 10:59 PM 2016
30 numbers

24 numbers

30 numbers

Odds?
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:01 PM 2016
If i walk up to a roulette table

And bet 30 numbers

Then 24.

Then 30. What is my chances or losing all 3

Answer the question
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:09 PM 2016
You dont answer questions

You just spew the same shit

Good night
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 11:11 PM 2016
It will fail about once every 71 spins.

Sorry but you're wasting your time with this one. 
You need to read a bit more on roulette.

Visit the wizardofodds.com
Also research the "gambler's fallacy".

Question:  Was 12 minutes too long to wait for your answer?  Sorry but I had to run to the kitchen for moment.  LOL!
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:17 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:11 PM 2016
It will fail about once every 71 spins.

Sorry but you're wasting your time with this one. 
You need to read a bit more on roulette.

Visit the wizardofodds.com
Also research the "gambler's fallacy".

Question:  Was 12 minutes too long to wait for your answer?  Sorry but I had to run to the kitchen for moment.  LOL!

Meh

Not into wizard of odds

If i was i wouldnt be here

Ill post my test results tomorrow

Actual test. Not words
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 11:18 PM 2016
Why do you post such questions on a public forum and then get angry when someone provides you with factual answers?


Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:21 PM 2016
Ok

I play my way. You play your way.

Everyones dumb. General. Xander. Herb. Is not dumb.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 11:22 PM 2016
Good luck.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:23 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:22 PM 2016
Why did you post the question?

To spar with you. Cause i know your "in town"
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:24 PM 2016
At the end of the day we have the same goal

So i hope u win. And i hope u hope i win.

I bought a house. When u come to resorts i hope u stop by.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 02, 11:34 PM 2016
RouletteGhost,

In order to make money beating the wheel, you've got to have a great deal of foresight, patience, and a meticulous eye for detail.  You have to think differently.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:35 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:34 PM 2016
RouletteGhost,

In order to make money beating the wheel, you've got to have a great deal of foresight, patience, and a meticulous eye for detail.

Ill play with you one day.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 02, 11:39 PM 2016
Im drunk

Just ordered wings

Im spent

Ill post the tests tomorrow
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: Turner on Apr 03, 03:54 AM 2016
Sometimes I wish I didnt have the affliction of having to read everything.
I'll never get  that time back.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: ati on Apr 03, 04:15 AM 2016
That's why "readselection" is important.  ;D

I often just read the first post then the last page, and decide whether it's worth reading the full thread.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: blueman on Apr 03, 04:41 AM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:18 PM 2016
Why do you post such questions on a public forum and then get angry when someone provides you with factual answers?

Maybe because you always lecturing? Leave the man alone.  :lol:
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: Turner on Apr 03, 06:43 AM 2016
RG did ask. I think Generals points are valid. I always ask...why do I think it will work.
Even if my reasoning is misguided.
Say I decide to bet only numbers that hit because they are obviously best candidates to hit twice over numbers that havnt hit yet.
I still can give you a reason why I am betting on them.
Its a weak argument but its a start.
Your idea has no considerations for bet selection. At least mine did...alrhough weak.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: Steve on Apr 03, 07:36 AM 2016
Its simple. With random accuracy betting, the payouts are always unfair for the odds. rg you are really missing this point. Like i said before, when you understand it you'll wonder what you were thinking.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 08:06 AM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 07:36 AM 2016
Its simple. With random accuracy betting, the payouts are always unfair for the odds. rg you are really missing this point. Like i said before, when you understand it you'll wonder what you were thinking.

Im not missing the point

I dont care about the unfair payout

I like it. Works nicely
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: Turner on Apr 03, 08:17 AM 2016
Wheres Skakus's stick man banging his head on a wall when you need it :o
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 11:40 AM 2016
Some spins

The rules:

step 1 - 3 units on low, 2 units on 3rd dozen

on a loss evaluate if you are UP or DOWN. if down, adjust unit size accordingly to recoup on step 2. If even or up stay at step 1

step 2- bet dozens 2 and 3

on a loss move to step 3

step 3- bet all DS except for 25-30 (could be anyone, I chose that)

very rarely will we bet 3 units and 2 units, then lose immediately and have to recoup on step 2 at 6 units per dozen, then again at step 3 18 units per DS. most of the time on the loss we are up, even, or only down very little

3     W
14  W
7    W
33  W
31   W
11  W
23  L (WE ARE UP, STAY AT STEP 1)
28 W
24 L (WE ARE DOWN, MOVE TO STEP 2)
4  L (BET DOZENS 2 AND 3) MOVE TO STEP 3
31 W (RESET TO STEP 1)
4 W
30 W
13 W
34 W
10 W
12 W
33 W
18 W
28 W
29 W
16 W
13 W
34 W
00 L (UP, STAY AT STEP 1)
5 W
29 W
4 W
29 W
00 L (STILL UP 7 UNITS STAY AT STEP 1)
1 W
6 W
32 W
3 W
23 L (STILL UP STAY AT STEP 1)
0 L (STILL UP STAY AT STEP 1)
32 W
18 W
27 W
15 W
8 W
22 L (STAY AT STEP 1)
9 W
8 W
2 W
3 W
00 L (STAY AT STEP 1)
36 W
13 W
16 W
5 W
4 W
19 L (STAY AT STEP 1)
16 W
15 W
15 W
17 W

at step 1 most of the time. fun to play. outside bets, easy to place live dealer
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 11:47 AM 2016
now if anyone wants to post a test showing this losing, i am open to that. words not so much

but show me it losing i am OK with that
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 12:13 PM 2016
this is with $1 chips

id use more of course
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 03, 01:02 PM 2016
QuoteI dont care about the unfair payout

I like it. Works nicely-RouletteGhost

Then you should consider betting all of the ECs and numbers at the same time. 
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 01:07 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:02 PM 2016
Then you should consider betting all of the ECs and numbers at the same time.

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Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: Azim on Apr 03, 01:14 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:02 PM 2016
Then you should consider betting all of the ECs and numbers at the same time.

Just shows how much you can read and understand what people write!!!!
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 03, 01:16 PM 2016
If he doesn't care about the short payout, then why not bet all of the numbers?

He could win every time!
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 01:20 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:16 PM 2016
If he doesn't care about the short payout, then why not bet all of the numbers?

He could win every time!

Go back to work.
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Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: Azim on Apr 03, 01:23 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:16 PM 2016
If he doesn't care about the short payout, then why not bet all of the numbers?

He could win every time!

Just shows how ignorant you are in understanding what people are saying!!!
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: The General on Apr 03, 01:31 PM 2016
QuoteIts simple. With random accuracy betting, the payouts are always unfair for the odds. rg you are really missing this point. Like i said before, when you understand it you'll wonder what you were thinking. -Steve

This pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: "System junkies" large number bets
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 01:42 PM 2016
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:31 PM 2016
This pretty much sums it up.

Thanks general.

As to the method

No losses to be seen in zumma

Moving to real wheel testing