I have been toying with ideas on large number bets, on a loss switch the bet
JUST AN IDEA, no claims
just want to discuss....some new "faces" here, lets get a discussion going
this particular bet selection itself may be "stupid" but the IDEA may work if applied properly
Idea:
Step 1- Bet 3 units on low, 2 units on 3rd dozen continuously. On a loss we are down 5 units, now go to step 2. Unless we are up, then stay.
Step 2- Now bet 6 units on dozen 2 and 3. If lose we are down 17 units, and goto step 3
Step 3- Bet 18 units on each of 5 Double Streets one time. If win reset.
Get the idea? Change the bet with large number amounts so that our chances of winning are increased.
the 6 units on step 2 will recoup the losses from step 1
the losses from step 1 and 2 are recouped on step 3
Any input?
First off, ask yourself this question:
Why do you feel it should work?
Honestly that's a lot to remember in a casino setting. You're with your friends/family and
you want to make money, yet be social enough to carry on a light-hearted conversation.
With a system like this your head will be buried in your notes trying to follow the steps.
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 10:29 PM 2016
First off, ask yourself this question:
Why do you feel it should work?
Business in the VB world slow? Week off?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 02, 10:30 PM 2016
Honestly that's a lot to remember in a casino setting. You're with your friends/family and
you want to make money, yet be social enough to carry on a light-hearted conversation.
With a system like this your head will be buried in your notes trying to follow the steps.
Good point
Thinking airball. Alone. A quick in and out
Its not that hard though
Low and 3rd dozen. 5 units.
On a loss doz 2 and 3. 6 units each.
On a loss 5 DS. 18 units each.
The question is. When the loss occurs are we ahead?
Math says we will lose
But each bet is independent and have the same odds
To lose all 3 is unlikely
The question remains. When the loss occurs ARE WE AHEAD. The inevitable loss happens. Seldom. We are ahead at that time.
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Business in the VB world slow? Week off?
I'm off for two weeks or so. It depends on the storms. This time of year I storm chase off and on until mid June.
Now regarding the system: You posed the question on a public forum... asking for input.
So again, why do you believe that it will work?
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 10:34 PM 2016
I'm off for two weeks or so. It depends on the storms. This time of year I storm chase off and on until mid June.
Now regarding the system: You posed the question on a public forum asking for input.
So again, why do you believe that it will work?
Storm chase? Weather used to be a hobby of mine. I worked at a weather station
Yep... tornadoes.
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 10:37 PM 2016
Yep... tornadoes.
Im into snow. Or was.
Funny enough the weather boards are similar to this board. Lmao.
Back to the method
Step 1 is 30 numbers. High chance of win
Step 2 is 24 numbers. good chance to win
Step 3 is 30 numbers. High chance of win
Lose all 3 steps? How often
For this to fail we would have to lose all 3 steps often. Which aint gonna happen
What is your hypothesis as to why it should work? What is the mechanism that could enable it to win?
1. Form a hypothesis.
2. Make a prediction.
3. Test the prediction.
Ok general
Why should all 3 steps fail enough times to give me a negative balance
Up to page 10 in zumma says im up nicely
So i understand where you are coming from, show me a loss.....give me spins
Again, read the 3 steps. Hows likely is it to lose all 3? Odds wise give me a percentage.
Your opinion aside what are the chances of losing all 3 bets? and are we up on a loss.
No opinion. Strictly math. Whats the odds of losing ALL 3 steps?
Rouletteghost,
Do you think the method would work if you flat bet?
It is flat bet. Each bet is independent
Step 1 is 5 units
Next bet is 12 units
Etc
My math question is this: analyze the 3 steps. Whats the odds of losing all 3?
Look at the 3 bets. Chances of losing all 3? Answer that
Im not winkel. I have thick skin. Im not going anywhere. So answer it.
QuoteStep 1- Bet 3 units on low, 2 units on 3rd dozen continuously. On a loss we are down 5 units, now go to step 2. Unless we are up, then stay.
Step 2- Now bet 6 units on dozen 2 and 3. If lose we are down 17 units, and goto step 3
Step 3- Bet 18 units on each of 5 Double Streets one time. If win reset.
Get the idea? Change the bet with large number amounts so that our chances of winning are increased.
You're increasing your bet at each step. It's not flat bet.
Here are the facts: There's no reason that your bets should have an effect on the house edge. This means that every bet has a negative expectation.
If you add the progression, then you're simply subjecting even more money to the house edge. This means that you will lose even more than if you were to flat bet one unit.
It's not worth calculating the odds, because the probability of success is still lower than what house is willing to payout.
Your a math boy
Answer me
Step 1. 30 numbers
Step 2. 24 numbers.
Step 3. 30 numbers.
Whats odds of losing all 3?
Mathematical odds
Losing 3 bets in a row
30 numbers
24 numbers
30 numbere
Losing all 3. Odds?
Are we ahead on a loss?
See reply # 17.
30 numbers
24 numbers
30 numbers
Odds?
If i walk up to a roulette table
And bet 30 numbers
Then 24.
Then 30. What is my chances or losing all 3
Answer the question
You dont answer questions
You just spew the same shit
Good night
It will fail about once every 71 spins.
Sorry but you're wasting your time with this one.
You need to read a bit more on roulette.
Visit the wizardofodds.com
Also research the "gambler's fallacy".
Question: Was 12 minutes too long to wait for your answer? Sorry but I had to run to the kitchen for moment. LOL!
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:11 PM 2016
It will fail about once every 71 spins.
Sorry but you're wasting your time with this one.
You need to read a bit more on roulette.
Visit the wizardofodds.com
Also research the "gambler's fallacy".
Question: Was 12 minutes too long to wait for your answer? Sorry but I had to run to the kitchen for moment. LOL!
Meh
Not into wizard of odds
If i was i wouldnt be here
Ill post my test results tomorrow
Actual test. Not words
Why do you post such questions on a public forum and then get angry when someone provides you with factual answers?
Ok
I play my way. You play your way.
Everyones dumb. General. Xander. Herb. Is not dumb.
Good luck.
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:22 PM 2016
Why did you post the question?
To spar with you. Cause i know your "in town"
At the end of the day we have the same goal
So i hope u win. And i hope u hope i win.
I bought a house. When u come to resorts i hope u stop by.
RouletteGhost,
In order to make money beating the wheel, you've got to have a great deal of foresight, patience, and a meticulous eye for detail. You have to think differently.
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:34 PM 2016
RouletteGhost,
In order to make money beating the wheel, you've got to have a great deal of foresight, patience, and a meticulous eye for detail.
Ill play with you one day.
Im drunk
Just ordered wings
Im spent
Ill post the tests tomorrow
Sometimes I wish I didnt have the affliction of having to read everything.
I'll never get that time back.
That's why "readselection" is important. ;D
I often just read the first post then the last page, and decide whether it's worth reading the full thread.
Quote from: The General on Apr 02, 11:18 PM 2016
Why do you post such questions on a public forum and then get angry when someone provides you with factual answers?
Maybe because you always lecturing? Leave the man alone. :lol:
RG did ask. I think Generals points are valid. I always ask...why do I think it will work.
Even if my reasoning is misguided.
Say I decide to bet only numbers that hit because they are obviously best candidates to hit twice over numbers that havnt hit yet.
I still can give you a reason why I am betting on them.
Its a weak argument but its a start.
Your idea has no considerations for bet selection. At least mine did...alrhough weak.
Its simple. With random accuracy betting, the payouts are always unfair for the odds. rg you are really missing this point. Like i said before, when you understand it you'll wonder what you were thinking.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 07:36 AM 2016
Its simple. With random accuracy betting, the payouts are always unfair for the odds. rg you are really missing this point. Like i said before, when you understand it you'll wonder what you were thinking.
Im not missing the point
I dont care about the unfair payout
I like it. Works nicely
Wheres Skakus's stick man banging his head on a wall when you need it :o
Some spins
The rules:
step 1 - 3 units on low, 2 units on 3rd dozen
on a loss evaluate if you are UP or DOWN. if down, adjust unit size accordingly to recoup on step 2. If even or up stay at step 1
step 2- bet dozens 2 and 3
on a loss move to step 3
step 3- bet all DS except for 25-30 (could be anyone, I chose that)
very rarely will we bet 3 units and 2 units, then lose immediately and have to recoup on step 2 at 6 units per dozen, then again at step 3 18 units per DS. most of the time on the loss we are up, even, or only down very little
3 W
14 W
7 W
33 W
31 W
11 W
23 L (WE ARE UP, STAY AT STEP 1)
28 W
24 L (WE ARE DOWN, MOVE TO STEP 2)
4 L (BET DOZENS 2 AND 3) MOVE TO STEP 3
31 W (RESET TO STEP 1)
4 W
30 W
13 W
34 W
10 W
12 W
33 W
18 W
28 W
29 W
16 W
13 W
34 W
00 L (UP, STAY AT STEP 1)
5 W
29 W
4 W
29 W
00 L (STILL UP 7 UNITS STAY AT STEP 1)
1 W
6 W
32 W
3 W
23 L (STILL UP STAY AT STEP 1)
0 L (STILL UP STAY AT STEP 1)
32 W
18 W
27 W
15 W
8 W
22 L (STAY AT STEP 1)
9 W
8 W
2 W
3 W
00 L (STAY AT STEP 1)
36 W
13 W
16 W
5 W
4 W
19 L (STAY AT STEP 1)
16 W
15 W
15 W
17 W
at step 1 most of the time. fun to play. outside bets, easy to place live dealer
now if anyone wants to post a test showing this losing, i am open to that. words not so much
but show me it losing i am OK with that
this is with $1 chips
id use more of course
QuoteI dont care about the unfair payout
I like it. Works nicely-RouletteGhost
Then you should consider betting all of the ECs and numbers at the same time.
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:02 PM 2016
Then you should consider betting all of the ECs and numbers at the same time.
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Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:02 PM 2016
Then you should consider betting all of the ECs and numbers at the same time.
Just shows how much you can read and understand what people write!!!!
If he doesn't care about the short payout, then why not bet all of the numbers?
He could win every time!
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:16 PM 2016
If he doesn't care about the short payout, then why not bet all of the numbers?
He could win every time!
Go back to work.
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Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:16 PM 2016
If he doesn't care about the short payout, then why not bet all of the numbers?
He could win every time!
Just shows how ignorant you are in understanding what people are saying!!!
QuoteIts simple. With random accuracy betting, the payouts are always unfair for the odds. rg you are really missing this point. Like i said before, when you understand it you'll wonder what you were thinking. -Steve
This pretty much sums it up.
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:31 PM 2016
This pretty much sums it up.
Thanks general.
As to the method
No losses to be seen in zumma
Moving to real wheel testing