This is a real simple, yet effective hotnumbers system, it's 7 numbers bet, FLATBET. I tried a similar system with less numbers, but they didn't work. So, the critical mass is 7 hotnumbers...
Procedure: Begin with noting down Every hotnumber that hits (numbers hit twice during a 10 spin cycle) Now, when you got 7 hotnumbers those are bet.
GAMEPLAY RULES
(1) Note down every numbers that HIT in the list of hotnumbers (in the sequence they hit)
(2) When a NEW hotnumber comes (that is also noted down in the list!), then re-bet: RE-Bet the last 7 numbers from the list of hotnumbers.
That's it!
First test was played with 5u bets.
3/3 Games won
4/5 Games won (for what it's worth)
Thanks Ig!
Quote from: nextyear on Apr 03, 12:15 PM 2016
Thanks Ig!
it was just an idea, to test my old system again, but no luck, had my second loss now. so, perhaps it was no good idea :-[ or else i must have a lower wingoal, and quit when that is reached, you cannot win forever when it comes to roulette! hit and run
Hi Ignatius,
Thanks for sharing all your ideas. I've played Sweet 16 the hardcoreway, still no losses. But: there were some sessions that took quit a while. Still no complaining from my side.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Bassie the Clown on Apr 03, 12:54 PM 2016
Hi Ignatius,
Thanks for sharing all your ideas. I've played Sweet 16 the hardcoreway, still no losses. But: there were some sessions that took quit a while. Still no complaining from my side.
:thumbsup:
Great :)
there are thousends possibilities to play...
you can play 7 or 5 hotnumbers
you can use last 23 or 15 or 10 spins
you can play flat or you can play 111112222233333 progression
i won this method over 23000 units two years ago on BV (single zero table and 0,01E unit)
this is the best method i ever discovered - better than 'catch 7 train', ktf, winkel's GUT, garcia's 30 and many more i play - but i have mastered it last few years...
I like this system better than most on this board.
Why? Because it uses hot numbers. (On a live wheel data I assume.)
It's a system that could theoretically overcome the house edge and enable the player to sometimes win on certain wheels. It's an attempt to exploit the wheel, rather than attempting to beat the layout game.
Quote from: Smoczoor on Apr 03, 01:36 PM 2016
there are thousends possibilities to play...
you can play 7 or 5 hotnumbers
you can use last 23 or 15 or 10 spins
you can play flat or you can play 111112222233333 progression
i won this method over 23000 units two years ago on BV (single zero table and 0,01E unit)
this is the best method i ever discovered - better than 'catch 7 train', ktf, winkel's GUT, garcia's 30 and many more i play - but i have mastered it last few years...
That's great :) The million dollar question IS how many numbers you played? As i said i tried this with 2,3,4 numbers...The optimal bet with this one i wonder?
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 01:47 PM 2016
I like this system better than most on this board.
Why? Because it uses hot numbers. (On a live wheel data I assume.)
It's a system that could theoretically overcome the house edge and enable the player to sometimes win on certain wheels. It's an attempt to exploit the wheel, rather than attempting to beat the layout game.
Thanks, yes, i still need to tweak it, perhaps i should try 6-8 numbers.....with less numbers i had no luck :S
Testing play with 6 numbers, next i'll try 5....
Played with 5 numbers, next i'll try 8
Ignatus,
1. Test only live wheels...preferably by direction
2. Your test samples are way way way too small. Think bigger.. Test several thousand at a time.
This is a cousin to what I've done over the years. I can easily simulate this for you and any variation that you can imagine if you want to see it simulated. I also have the data.
Played with 8 numbers, next i'll try 4!
Regarding the number of numbers...When in doubt...one is best, two is next best, etc. It really depends on the wheel.
And again, your sample above is way way too small.
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 03:22 PM 2016
Ignatus,
1. Test only live wheels...preferably by direction
2. Your test samples are way way way too small. Think bigger.. Test several thousand at a time.
This is a cousin to what I've done over the years. I can easily simulate this for you and any variation that you can imagine if you want to see it simulated. I also have the data.
Alright :) All my tests are done with live-spins. Question- how many numbers you played with your method?
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 03:24 PM 2016
Regarding the number of numbers...When in doubt...one is best, two is next best, etc. It really depends on the wheel.
And again, your sample above is way way too small.
Ok.
Ignatus
I always praised your earlier Juggler ideas didnt I ?
This idea is in the right ball park for me. I think patience is needed and (forgive me) its not one of your strongest qualities.
Also, too many numbers will bog things down.
Flat bet is good, as you already know.
OK seems like im coming closer to the ultimate numbers bet with this one, 4 numbers played WON.
All the remaining tests will be played with 4 numbers, furthermore as the general said, stoploss must be wider,
for 1u bets, Stoploss 200u
for 5u bets Stoploss 1000u
Quote from: Turner on Apr 03, 03:41 PM 2016
Ignatus
I always praised your earlier Juggler ideas didnt I ?
This idea is in the right ball park for me. I think patience is needed and (forgive me) its not one of your strongest qualities.
Also, too many numbers will bog things down.
Flat bet is good, as you already know.
Thanks Turner :) you're right--less numbers seems to work best.
"Thanks Turner you're right--less numbers seems to work best" >> (lol), unreal.
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 03, 03:54 PM 2016
"Thanks Turner you're right--less numbers seems to work best" >> (lol), unreal.
Ignatus does listen to advice. He doesnt have to take it, but he does consider it
Like myself
Test 2--playing with 4 numbers bet, WON
Quotehow many numbers you played with your method?
1 to 12. It depends on what and how I'm playing though.
I'll try and show you simulations tomorrow of various betting horizons if you want to see them.
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 11:09 PM 2016
1 to 12. It depends on what and how I'm playing though.
I'll try and show you simulations tomorrow of various betting horizons if you want to see them.
OK, yes :)
Simulations betting just the last number hit on a bi#sed wheel. 30k trials.
Max drawdown 604 units
Edge 5.17%
Units won 1,683
Played with 3 numbers.
4/4 Games won (played with 3-4 numbers, this was played with 3 numbers)
5/5 Games won 8) (3 numbers bet)
Ignatus,
If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know. I have tons of live wheel data and simulators.
Best of luck :)
Quote from: The General on Apr 04, 01:39 PM 2016
Ignatus,
If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know. I have tons of live wheel data and simulators.
Best of luck :)
Thanks, that's very kind of you! :) The inspiration needed for continue testing this one doesn't have be be much! (as Turner said, patience is perhaps not my best virtue!) But your good words and Turner's and Smoczoor about this system should not be taken with ease, you're experienced members with more roulette experience than me! What is needed is a tweak of this system and the tweak is the numbers bet, right now i found that 3-4 numbers works, i believe 2 numbers would work also because most hits come from the most recent hotnumbers...I will continue testing this one, as much as i can.
All the best,
6/6 Games won (3 numbers bet)
Ignatus,
Anytime you want to catch up with me on Skype and run simulations is fine with me. It's faster if we use my simulator since I already have numbers streams loaded into it.
On Skype you just type like you do here.
Quote from: The General on Apr 04, 08:06 PM 2016
Ignatus,
Anytime you want to catch up with me on Skype and run simulations is fine with me. It's faster if we use my simulator since I already have numbers streams loaded into it.
On Skype you just type like you do here.
Thanks man! :)
7/7 Games won (3 numbers bet)
8/8 Games won 8)
9/9 Games won
10/10 Games won!!! :love: :love:
Bankroll needed (stoploss)
for 1u bets 200u
for 5u bets 1000u
..and so on
11/11 Games won
ignatus.......so you are betting a total of 3numbers.......in a 10 spin cycle watch any numbers that hit 2times.....ONCE YOU GET 3 start betting and rebet untill a new number hits 2times in 10 spins.....are these 10 spins based on a rolling basis????
Quote from: keepontryin on Apr 05, 08:34 AM 2016
ignatus.......so you are betting a total of 3numbers.......in a 10 spin cycle watch any numbers that hit 2times.....ONCE YOU GET 3 start betting and rebet untill a new number hits 2times in 10 spins.....are these 10 spins based on a rolling basis????
Yes that's right. you only look at the history-board where numbers are listed that has hit, those numbers hit twice on that list is a hotnumber (within a cycle of 10 spins, because most history boards show only last 10) IF the history-board is 12,15 numbers etc that doesn't matters much, same principle!
12/12 Games won 8)
Quote from: The General on Apr 04, 08:06 PM 2016
Ignatus,
Anytime you want to catch up with me on Skype and run simulations is fine with me. It's faster if we use my simulator since I already have numbers streams loaded into it.
On Skype you just type like you do here.
Ignatus, you are in good hand.
Listen to General Caleb and I bet you won't go wrong.
Regards and best wishes.
Congrats Ignatus!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Is this your best performing system to date..........don't remember seeing 12 games won in a a row before? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 05, 09:36 AM 2016
Congrats Ignatus!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Is this your best performing system to date..........don't remember seeing 12 games won in a a row before? :question:
Thanks! :) Yes, it must be the best performance yet! Good words from Turner, The General and Smoczoor should not be taken
lightly!
cheers :thumbsup:
Quote from: sniper on Apr 05, 09:31 AM 2016
Ignatus, you are in good hand.
Listen to General Caleb and I bet you won't go wrong.
Regards and best wishes.
Thanks sniper O0
my favourite settings are:
7 numbers
23 last spins
proggresion +1u after 5 spins with no new high
new high = progression reset
trying to play to win 50-100u (0,5 to 1 Euro) when it happens i quit and begin new session
great at BV and only there
there are some drowndowns but easily recovered...
after few years i can fell when session go very good or bad and i change settings
example
i can easily quit bad session at progression 5 or 8 or any and start new session at this progression and recover and win new high
my basic rule and first of all is be MASTER at one very good tactic and you can win at roulette
well done ignatus
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 05, 10:23 AM 2016
well done ignatus
Thanks 8) More games coming up, im just a little drunk right now :wink:
hey a few drinks never hindered anyone on this board LOL
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 05, 11:08 AM 2016
hey a few drinks never hindered anyone on this board LOL
Im living proof
12/13 Games won
OK, Had my first loss.
13/14 Games won
Quote from: Smoczoor on Apr 05, 10:19 AM 2016
my favourite settings are:
7 numbers
23 last spins
proggresion +1u after 5 spins with no new high
new high = progression reset
Thanks Smoczoor for sharing your method of playing this one. :) I didn't know it worked on RNG....how long have you been playing and how much you won? :o
14/15 Games won
14/16 Games won
15/17 Games won
the drinking got to ignatus -his level of play went down--lol
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 05, 05:22 PM 2016
the drinking got to ignatus -his level of play went down--lol
No, im not drunk now.
Tell me what system wins 15/17 Games (~90% winrate) FLATBET?
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 05, 05:29 PM 2016
No, im not drunk now.
Tell me what system wins 15/17 Games (~90% winrate) FLATBET?
I hate to say this.........but you must keep going with this method!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
90% success rate might not happen again for dozens of methods...............which begs the question.........if 90% isn't good enough........then what is??? :question:
Thanks for all the hard work Ignatus..........if anyone is going to beat this game......my money is on you (literally)!!! :thumbsup:
still on the 3 number bet?
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 05, 06:39 PM 2016
I hate to say this.........but you must keep going with this method!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
90% success rate might not happen again for dozens of methods...............which begs the question.........if 90% isn't good enough........then what is??? :question:
Thanks for all the hard work Ignatus..........if anyone is going to beat this game......my money is on you (literally)!!! :thumbsup:
Thanks, but don't have too high hopes about this one, it's down to 15/18 Games won now, and that is something like ~80% (not better or worse than most of my other strategies!)
16/19 Games won
17/20 Games won
That's an 85% winrate--I don't know if those stats can be changed very much
You could try a mild pos progression on numbers hitting above expectation
I played with this all night and realised that if you play extra on the numbers that hit again its only for a few spins as the cycle is replenished
Had one hit with 1u...2u and 3.
Just a thought.
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 03:44 AM 2016
You could try a mild pos progression on numbers hitting above expectation
I played with this all night and realised that if you play extra on the numbers that hit again its only for a few spins as the cycle is replenished
Had one hit with 1u...2u and 3.
Just a thought.
I don't dare to use any negative progression :S perhaps a positive progression works better....
How many numbers you played?
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 06, 03:35 AM 2016
17/20 Games won
That's an 85% winrate--I don't know if those stats can be changed very much
What is 20 games? Nothing. Test a few 100 then you start to know. ....
Each system/strategy how stupid it might be can win 20 sessions in a row . If you get a few 100 , than you can compare those 100 by 100 . :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Apr 06, 04:35 AM 2016
What is 20 games? Nothing. Test a few 100 then you start to know. ....
Each system/strategy how stupid it might be can win 20 sessions in a row . If you get a few 100 , than you can compare those 100 by 100 . :thumbsup:
10-20 games is a very good method of testing systems, a non-working systems
will not pass a 10 games tests.
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 06, 04:54 AM 2016
10-20 games is a very good method of testing systems, a non-working systems will not pass a 10 games tests.
It can actually pass few 100. I can guarantee that. Don't be fooled by that evil wheel. But mostly 20 will be good of course.
Hello,
I am agree with denzie. I have had sometimes test over 20 and more days who are good and then it fails. The roulette wheel makes what it want.
But 10 tests are good and it will show that it could be a good start.
Regards
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 06, 04:15 AM 2016
I don't dare to use any negative progression :S perhaps a positive progression works better....
How many numbers you played?
I was using 4 and adding a chip on a win. Pos progression.
If a number had hit a couple...I was leaving it on a while...so 4 numbers flatbet....+1u if a number hits. Sometimes 5
Not always though.
I dont usually stick solidly to the rules. You get hunches and thats the fun of it.
I like a plan. You have to have a plan but its nice to feel around a bit
As the actress said to the Bishop
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 06:23 AM 2016
I was using 4 and adding a chip on a win. Pos progression.
If a number had hit a couple...I was leaving it on a while...so 4 numbers flatbet....+1u if a number hits. Sometimes 5
Not always though.
I dont usually stick solidly to the rules. You get hunches and thats the fun of it.
I like a plan. You have to have a plan but its nice to feel around a bit
As the actress said to the Bishop
I'll try that! Thanks! :)
17/21 Games won
First chart was played with 4 numbers and positive progression, second chart was the same numbers but 3 numbers Flatbet.
Still a loss.
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 06:23 AM 2016
If a number had hit a couple...I was leaving it on a while...so 4 numbers flatbet....+1u if a number hits. Sometimes 5
Dominant Relation between a number(s) that defines the current cycle with the number(s) that define the previous cycle.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 06, 07:17 AM 2016
Dominant Relation between a number(s) that defines the current cycle with the number(s) that define the previous cycle.
I have to say I dont play like this anymore
I tend to use whats happening rather than looking at past spins....but this isnt a bad way to play at all. :thumbsup:
Ive mostly been looking at cycle lengths
It started with my hot cold sandwich but at the time I didnt know I was doing just that.
Sorry to digress Ignatus
18/22 Games won
And that's an ~80% winrate. And that's the final stats for this one.
I think i will go on to something else right now,
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 08:06 AM 2016
I tend to use whats happening rather than looking at past spins....
I have always had an issue in understanding this statement. Do you think you can give an example of this way of playing?
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 06, 09:33 AM 2016
I have always had an issue in understanding this statement. Do you think you can give an example of this way of playing?
bet 1,2,3,4,5,6 for 37 spins, adding + 1 to any number that hits.
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 06, 08:10 AM 2016
18/22 Games won
And that's an ~80% winrate. And that's the final stats for this one.
I think i will go on to something else right now,
If you have an 80% win rate, why go to something else? Do you hope of getting a 100% win rate ;-)
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 10:05 AM 2016
bet 1,2,3,4,5,6 for 37 spins, adding + 1 to any number that hits.
After the number hits and you add +1 for the next spin, at that moment in time when you are placing the bets are you not adding a chip based on past spin? Because that number came in the past you are adding 1unit right. That's the stuff I have difficulty in understanding.
yes that would be adding chips based on previous performance ---looking back---hmmmm
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 06, 12:06 PM 2016
yes that would be adding chips based on previous performance ---looking back---hmmmm
I disagree. You are not basing your bet on previous spins.
well if you just won and go positive adding a chip, wouldn't you be playing on something that has happened ---something that is part of history already
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 10:05 AM 2016
bet 1,2,3,4,5,6 for 37 spins, adding + 1 to any number that hits.
I have a very very decent method "somewhat" based on this and a way that Turbo played it.
Tweak tweak goes the bird.
Ken
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 06, 01:40 PM 2016
well if you just won and go positive adding a chip, wouldn't you be playing on something that has happened ---something that is part of history already
I havnt looked at the marque. I sat at the table. I played 1,2,3,4,5,6.
You could argue I played a past number because 2 and 6 came out recently. But I dont know that.
if 6 hit, I had a chip on it. I didnt play six because of last spins. I just played it.
I know it won. The dealer left a chip on it and pushed chips at me. I can add a chip to the chip. I am not using past spins.
Surely thats clear. It my game and my numbers.
I havnt bet according to past spins. I was already betting them.
this argument wont go anywhere and is of no use but when you add a chip on 6 your using the board or history. To get to the first win you didn't use history.
I know turner probably doesnt want me to interject
But
When you bet 6 numbers i dont think it matters if you use the history board or not
You can bet it because it hit or bet it just because.
Doesnt matter. Same odds.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 06, 05:42 PM 2016
this argument wont go anywhere and is of no use but when you add a chip on 6 your using the board or history. To get to the first win you didn't use history.
I am just increasing on MY winning number. The key is in the word MY.
If you come to the table and see me piling up on 6, and decide to get a bit of the action, you are using past spins.
you play 6, and it hasnt hit yet
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 06, 04:12 PM 2016
I have a very very decent method "somewhat" based on this and a way that Turbo played it.
Tweak tweak goes the bird.
Ken
Its not a system, just an example.
If you see 6 has hit twice on the marque, you dont know its hitting above average. You dont know the average.
you can only know what is happening to your bet selection in the subsequent cycles of 37, or 38
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 06, 05:44 PM 2016
I know turner probably doesnt want me to interject
This is where we differ. Its a free forum where everyone has the right to speak without being ganged up on and lampooned.
I welcome people challenging me. I could be wrong after all.
Especially when I am up against long term members like Priyanka and Tomola.
The respect is there without thinking about it.....and is well earned
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 06:27 PM 2016
I welcome people challenging me.
I am just increasing on MY winning number. The key is in the word MY.
Especially when I am up against long term members like Priyanka and Tomola.
Once upon on a time Flatinos young apprentice asked him if he has the Grail.. He said: "
No I dont. But remember, no one reveals his strongest weapon".
I wonder was the old man dead right, why I couldnt anyhow digest your sandwich Turner?
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Apr 07, 04:00 AM 2016
Once upon on a time Flatinos young apprentice asked him if he has the Grail.. He said: "No I dont. But remember, no one reveals his strongest weapon".
I wonder was the old man dead right, why I couldnt anyhow digest your sandwich Turner?
Cheers
Too much mustard.
Quote from: Turner on Apr 06, 05:54 PM 2016
I am just increasing on MY winning number. The key is in the word MY.
Ah!! So the past spins is really no "past" spins. It is more of personal permanence. Will you consider that as a good inference?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 06, 05:44 PM 2016
You can bet it because it hit or bet it just because.
Doesnt matter. Same odds.
RG - It is a bit more complicated than that and not that straightforward. Odds for the next spin is always the same. But the odds for a spin set in consideration taken collectively could be very different depending on the plan you select for your betting.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 07, 04:49 AM 2016
Ah!! So the past spins is really no "past" spins. It is more of personal permanence. Will you consider that as a good inference?
I couldn put it any better than that
i could not resist the question...when we know that in 37 spins no 37 numbers coming why probability say of 12 numbers goes 12/37 why not 12/average of hits in cicle then you will be whitin upper and lower limit of probability depends how many numbers hit
Quote from: Turner on Apr 07, 05:11 AM 2016
I couldn put it any better than that
Personal permanence is pure voodoo and you know it ! >:(
Such irrationality is not what looks like you at all and again, you know it.
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Apr 07, 06:12 AM 2016
Personal permanence is pure voodoo and you know it ! >:(
Such irrationality is not what looks like you at all and again, you know it.
Cheers
Relax....its not serious like Ive just told you I am supporting Man United.
But I do have to support this idea to truly test it. Like method acting
Turner idea for personal permanence sounds to me like...if i walk in one side of the lake and you did the same on the other side one of us will be more wet than the other...one of us could be in deeper but not wetter...
but if you refer to when and what you see and how you deal with it then is personal
Quote from: Turner on Apr 07, 06:27 AM 2016
Relax....its not serious like Ive just told you I am supporting Man United.
;D ;D ;D Turner at his best.
A win would have been really nice yesterday, but two away goals was not bad considering PSG were less than odds on favourite.
Quote from: Drazen on Apr 07, 06:12 AM 2016
Personal permanence is pure voodoo and you know it ! >:(
Drazen - Why do you think it is voodoo. Do you think if I play every other spin, or I play 1 spin from every table in the casino one after the other, it is not going to give me the results I expect as against playing in the same wheel continuously. It is the reality of randomness and not voodoo.
Quote from: maestro on Apr 07, 05:24 AM 2016
i could not resist the question...when we know that in 37 spins no 37 numbers coming why probability say of 12 numbers goes 12/37 why not 12/average of hits in cicle then you will be whitin upper and lower limit of probability depends how many numbers hit
Hmmm, excellent question. That is the difference between considering the odds of next spin and odds of what happens in the next set of spins. The odds of next spin will always remain 12/37 as you always have 37 possibilities to choose from. Whereas in the next set of spins, the odds of achieving 37 different numbers is always less than achieving 24 different numbers. When you know the "exact" spins that will hit in the cycle, then you can ofcourse apply 12/number of hits, however, you will never know the "exact" spins that will hit in the cycle.
Quote from: maestro on Apr 07, 06:47 AM 2016
Turner idea for personal permanence sounds to me like...if i walk in one side of the lake and you did the same on the other side one of us will be more wet than the other...one of us could be in deeper but not wetter...
Or....if I look out the window and its raining....am I getting wet?. Is it raining for me personally.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 07, 07:02 AM 2016
Drazen - Why do you think it is voodoo. Do you think if I play every other spin, or I play 1 spin from every table in the casino one after the other, it is not going to give me the results I expect as against playing in the same wheel continuously. It is the reality of randomness and not voodoo.
Hm.. Maybe you are right and I dont understand the term correct? But personal permanence for me would be betting without completely mechanical rules where one or more bets would be based only on ones thought or gut or feeling to say so. Something like attempt of riding the trends? Like you try to anticipate by feeling when one trend ends and another one starts. I think that is quite different from what you described. In case what you said I consider it would be the same playing 100 spins on 100 different wheels spin by spin, as 100 spins on one wheel continuously. Random sequence is always random, no matter how we split the spins.
Hope I was clear enough?
your neighbour Turner getting personal rain too...he might or not get wet
Quote from: Drazen on Apr 07, 07:51 AM 2016
Something like attempt of riding the trends?
That was just an example from Turner if I understand right. I do not think it is about riding the trends. May be he will confirm.
I am sure he knows what I was reffering to ;)
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 07, 07:55 AM 2016
That was just an example from Turner if I understand right. I do not think it is about riding the trends. May be he will confirm.
Yes it was just an example. Perhaps I prefer to say "making decisions for future spins" rather than "riding the trend"
Im not even sure how to articulate it.
anyone wrote it for RX?