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Nice book on GUT at
G-U-T.co

Oo
:yawn:

Here we go

I think it can be found for free

A HG for only 29.95$  :lol:

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 12:37 PM 2016
I think it can be found for free

That would be great if someone knew that?

Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 17, 01:47 PM 2016
That would be great if someone knew that?

Quite easy to hack

Right?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 01:55 PM 2016
Quite easy to hack

Right?

He he nope nothing that I can do.

Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 17, 01:58 PM 2016
He he nope nothing that I can do.

:lol:

I'm too occupied looking down that lady's top, sorry.

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someone took the time to write an e-book on winkels teachings

hey who knows....

it is a cool website

but why is he charging? should be free if hes making money

Because he wrote a 155 page ebook about the method? Because he spend alot of time to make this? I think its a fair price. GUT is a very hard to understand and if the ebook can explain it properly it is worth its money.

The tracker also looks very good to me.

But it still raises the question: Why sell a working method if you can make a decent living with it.

A) If something works, you don't sell it - you use it.

B) Why so secretive ?
On the contacts page it says "Randy Jones"
On the WhoIs page for site it's :
dmin Name: Registration Private
Admin Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
Nothing to hide ? Just use your name right ? (already did on the site right ?)
Unless.... lol

Anyway - good luck to whoever buys it lol
And thanks to the original poster in the thread who is promoting it - because
someone who just signed up today and made one post is certainly reliable.
Nothing smells bad there does it ?

prob should also be added that the youtube link on the page goes to
link:://:.Winning-RouletteSystems.com
also on youtube he posted a 8 part series on "How to win at roulette"
link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCN_mOfhwUer2hjPPqf41jvQ/videos?shelf_id=0&view=0&sort=dd

grins. Hey roulette is a tough game to crack.
Selling trackers and pdfs is probably easier.

All good points TG

In all fairness he did post it in the 4 sale section....

Ya - which in itself is strange to me.
I have goose that lays golden eggs, but I'm willing to sell it to you for 40 bucks.
If that were even possible - the price of gold would drop and no one would want the goose.
If it were true you would just keep the goose and live the good life for the remainder of your days - and your kids, and your kid's kids - and hell, even their kids.
That's why anything making promises like that smell so terrible (to me)

I never fully understood the GUT as it was explained by Winkel although I saw many forum members having success using it. My results have always been mixed. I read the main thread three times but now that Winkel deleted so many pages it's almost impossible to understand.
The tracker / clicker in the video looked nice too and I always had troubles to get my bets on the table in time.
So I thought I go for the book+tracker offer and 50 bucks is not that much to me.

The ebook comes in two parts as PDF and is individually password protected. The main book with about 70 pages explains the mathematics and the theory of winkel including how and what to bet. It has lots of illustrations and is understandable even for a non-math guy like me. Further it summarizes all the hints and guidelines of winkel and includes some real spin games with comments on the decisions about how and if to bet. It closes with a chapter on advanced possibilities to play the theory but I need to get confident with the basic game first before I can focus on that.

The second part is called Annex 1 and is basically a spins sequence that demonstrates how a trot develops in table notation and visualized in charts. That is maybe useful for beginners to the GUT but was not for me.

The tracker is a macro based Excel file and I was surprised how well the clicker tool works with my online casino.

I think that ebook is a really well made explanation of the GUT and guess what, I made 79 bucks in my first game.

Hope I could help.

Cheers Rolletti :thumbsup:

I see this one as a valid sale, although I'm not gonna buy it, since GUT plays to many numbers for my taste.

Imagine if GUT was a source code for a program you want to work with would you do one of this:

1. I can give it to you for free, but you need to take this shitty written code and assemble it with other code from this, this, this, this, this and this place to know what's going on.

or

2. I can give you the whole code rewritten and perfectly assembled, along with a custom written debugger so you can follow what's going on for 50 bucks.

The amount of time you spend to learn it for free is not worth it, so I would choose 2.

GUT has been poorly explained right from Winkels first post, so I think it's good that someone has taken the time to fully understand it, rewritten in proper english and wrote a tracker so you can see what's going on.

Just my opinion.

I knew it had to happen.

Not the first trying ot make money from my strategy.

If anyone would listen to my words:

1. What is sold there is not GUT
2. No one should claim GUT is not working, proofed by this script and tracker and bot.
3. I´m not asked for permission and I´m not asked for authorization.

As I said before: What is given to the public ist just the basic way of playing GUT-Strategy.
All sold versions are just fake and s h i t

br
winkel

Great to hear from you.

Hi Winkel,
nice to see you are well.

Randy Jones does not claim anything would be his what is not his. Your posts are quoted properly. He just puts everything in a line and explains in detail where you never did.

If you call this sh..t you call your own posts sh..t.

By the way, why did you delete all the posts?

Cheers Rolletti

Quote from: winkel on Apr 18, 06:06 AM 2016
I knew it had to happen.

Not the first trying ot make money from my strategy.

If anyone would listen to my words:

1. What is sold there is not GUT
2. No one should claim GUT is not working, proofed by this script and tracker and bot.
3. I´m not asked for permission and I´m not asked for authorization.

As I said before: What is given to the public ist just the basic way of playing GUT-Strategy.
All sold versions are just fake and s h i t

br
winkel

I can understand that you feel so. I have read a lot around Gut. But in vlsroulette.com there is a lot of your post that is deleted do you know why?

The gut is really hard to read nowadays when so much posts from you are deleted..

Thanks for a great method, even though it is just the basic version  :smile:

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 18, 06:41 AM 2016
Hi Winkel,
nice to see you are well.

Randy Jones does not claim anything would be his what is not his. Your posts are quoted properly. He just puts everything in a line and explains in detail where you never did.

If you call this sh..t you call your own posts sh..t.

By the way, why did you delete all the posts?

Cheers Rolletti

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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 18, 06:43 AM 2016
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LOL

For the record - posts are never deleted.
Even if you delete your post - it's still available to be looked up and read.
Got to love the internet and technology, it never forgets.

Turbo,

can you then tell me where to find the whole original VLS thread of 80 forum pages?
Was looking hard for it before I bought the e-book.

Thx

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 18, 06:41 AM 2016
He just puts everything in a line and explains in detail where you never did.

So its his own interpretation. We have enough of that here for free. Twocatsam. Notto. Phst

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 18, 07:04 AM 2016
Turbo,

can you then tell me where to find the whole original VLS thread of 80 forum pages?
Was looking hard for it before I bought the e-book.

Thx

There is no reason why one should look hard for it.

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0

Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 18, 07:08 AM 2016
There is no reason why one should look hard for it.

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0

Thx Priy,

but that thread has more holes than a swiss cheese.

Many posts are deleted.

Cheers

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 18, 07:11 AM 2016
Thx Priy,

but that thread has more holes than a swiss cheese.

Many posts are deleted.

Cheers

I would differ on that.  For someone who needs to know what's going on doesn't need those holes. Main content is still intact in that thread.

Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 18, 07:29 AM 2016
I would differ on that.  For someone who needs to know what's going on doesn't need those holes. Main content is still intact in that thread.

And I differ on your reply. That thread is really hard to read. You need to understand much about what gut is all about to understand it as it is now.

As I see it it is as Winkel says only the basic covered. With minimal of examples.  That makes it really hard to understand..

The easy bit 0x's, 1x's and >1x's.
The hard part, the trot.
Azims said many,many times, practice

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 07:39 AM 2016
The easy bit 0x's, 1x's and >1x's.
The hard part, the trot.
Azims said many,many times, practice

Yes but reading the original thread is like reading a book with alot of the pages torn out. I don't really understand why removing your posts?  Strange behaviour..

Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 18, 08:16 AM 2016
Yes but reading the original thread is like reading a book with alot of the pages torn out. I don't really understand why removing your posts?  Strange behaviour..

Kimo did the same.

I deleted a lot of postings because I was attacked by some people.

Then I decided to explain it again.

There is nothing missing.

The rules are still simple: If there´s a crossing, decide to bet or not!

As victor changed the forum I followed him to rouletteforum.cc

That you can read a lot about this strategy is not my fault. Many people started threads to disregard me or the strategy.
People who understood opened threads like Azim and Nottophammer. They have been disregarded as well.
Being annoyed of being chased by people like herb, thelaw, and what ever their/his names are.
Blame them not me. Even Steve and his mods wrote: He is polite! I shouldn´t behave like a victim.

So I left.

I just wanted to express, that this e-book got nothing to do with my strategy and is not authorized by me. On the home-page of this guy are already mistakes referring the strategy.

That´s all.

br
winkel

Quote from: winkel on Apr 18, 11:29 AM 2016
I deleted a lot of postings because I was attacked by some people.

Then I decided to explain it again.

There is nothing missing.

The rules are still simple: If there´s a crossing, decide to bet or not!

As victor changed the forum I followed him to rouletteforum.cc

That you can read a lot about this strategy is not my fault. Many people started threads to disregard me or the strategy.
People who understood opened threads like Azim and Nottophammer. They have been disregarded as well.
Being annoyed of being chased by people like herb, thelaw, and what ever their/his names are.
Blame them not me. Even Steve and his mods wrote: He is polite! I shouldn´t behave like a victim.

So I left.

I just wanted to express, that this e-book got nothing to do with my strategy and is not authorized by me. On the home-page of this guy are already mistakes referring the strategy.

That´s all.

br
winkel

Ugh

Wish you stayed

Quote from: winkel on Apr 18, 11:29 AM 2016




Being annoyed of being chased by people like herb

Man.

I know.

Like a mosquito at a barbecue.

He does it on purpose. Theres really no reason for him to be here. He is VB. He just wants to annoy.

Just for Information: It seems to be Victor now owner of betselection.com and some adjusted Homepages.

Winkel. Did you read the Book to confirm its bs?

Quote from: 3Nine on Apr 18, 08:50 AM 2016
Kimo did the same.

Guys like kimo li and albalaha are nothing more then a joke to me

Kimo li threatened to sue me over a picture on google images. Albalaha charges people for consultation. He told me to save 20k then contact him. 2 jokes.

Kimo li, albalaha, and PA walk into a bar.....the beginning of a joke

General looking wont be long for some waff

Strange guys all of them.  But you can figure them out quite fast.

Sorry to hear the reason why you deleted your posts Mr Winkel but understandable!

Hope you comes back more to the forum, thanks for your explanation!

Winkel,

now that I finally understood the basics of your GUT, I would be happy to see the advanced part.
Maybe you can ignore this time the negative people.

Cheers Rolletti

@ROULETTE ghost....this one was very good joke ...alabala walks in bar.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Quote from: maestro on Apr 18, 01:53 PM 2016
@ROULETTE ghost....this one was very good joke ...alabala walks in bar.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

;D

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 18, 12:49 PM 2016
Guys like kimo li and albalaha are nothing more then a joke to me

Kimo li threatened to sue me over a picture on google images. Albalaha charges people for consultation. He told me to save 20k then contact him. 2 jokes.

Kimo li, albalaha, and PA walk into a bar.....the beginning of a jokeThe three wise monkeys

hello all

iam long time articipant in all roulette forum so this is not a fake post !

i also have just receive the book

i can say its a really good book about the gut strategy
better explained than in the forum

because its always difficults to scientist like winkel to explain his strategy in a simple maner

i think randy west have done an exellent job

a lot of illustration , many many serious material

i havent try the traker yet

i understand that winkel is not happy because he dont give the authorisation to this book
as he is the inventor of the method

but randy always give credit to winkel in his book

and he has certainly work a lot ithis strategy

he also say as winkel that gut is discretionary system

really it is the best roulette manual i have bought
with so mutch content and low price

its a must read

ps i dont understand why turbo is so upset by this book without even have read this book
other wise turbo has provide us many many systems from the past yearsso thank to him but all his system failed in the long run
as winkel say gut is a way to attak the wheel not a holy grail

link:://screencast.com/t/mdWH9MJdna (link:://screencast.com/t/mdWH9MJdna)

link:://screencast.com/t/iUrNRWk3l (link:://screencast.com/t/iUrNRWk3l)

link:://screencast.com/t/pEubw8Yx (link:://screencast.com/t/pEubw8Yx)

Quote from: roulettefan on Apr 18, 03:30 PM 2016
hello all

iam long time articipant in all roulette forum so this is not a fake post !

i also have just receive the book

i can say its a really good book about the gut strategy
better explained than in the forum

because its always difficults to scientist like winkel to explain his strategy in a simple maner

i think randy west have done an exellent job

a lot of illustration , many many serious material

i havent try the traker yet

i understand that winkel is not happy because he dont give the authorisation to this book
as he is the inventor of the method

but randy always give credit to winkel in his book

and he has certainly work a lot ithis strategy

he also say as winkel that gut is discretionary system

really it is the best roulette manual i have bought
with so mutch content and low price

its a must read

ps i dont understand why turbo is so upset by this book without even have read this book
other wise turbo has provide us many many systems from the past yearsso thank to him but all his system failed in the long run
as winkel say gut is a way to attak the wheel not a holy grail

link:://screencast.com/t/mdWH9MJdna (link:://screencast.com/t/mdWH9MJdna) I have said draw graphs get the feel of how the trot comes

link:://screencast.com/t/iUrNRWk3l (link:://screencast.com/t/iUrNRWk3l)

link:://screencast.com/t/pEubw8Yx (link:://screencast.com/t/pEubw8Yx)For B+M i use my (nottophammers) paper tracker that is posted.

When i first came across GUT i was flippant to the idea, but i'm so glad it popped up again and looked at it. Best read i've had on roulette, not the crossings, but what 0X's with 1x's,then 1x's and >1x's can do. As said many times you need to study any games you've had. Work with 13th spin info, info that will get you to 25th spin and what could be expected at 37th spin, grasp that and your on your way to understanding the trot or count as some like to call it.

Thanks Winkel :thumbsup:

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 03:58 PM 2016
When i first came across GUT i was flippant to the idea, but i'm so glad it popped up again and looked at it. Best read i've had on roulette, not the crossings, but what 0X's with 1x's,then 1x's and >1x's can do. As said many times you need to study any games you've had. Work with 13th spin info, info that will get you to 25th spin and what could be expected at 37th spin, grasp that and your on your way to understanding the trot or count as some like to call it.

Thanks Winkel :thumbsup:

And then what happens? 

You go KICK  casinos ARSE with the General looking over your shoulder thinking this guy is shit hot wish i could do that

Had to laugh just looked at users on line  Theres the General surrounded by his foot soldiers

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 04:43 PM 2016
Had to laugh just looked at users on line  Theres the General surrounded by his foot soldiers

LOL

:twisted:

Notto you're too much

I never understood the trot and everything else....

But I won more than enough in time with Grassroots and my own FTT method to buy myself a little gift.... I hope it will help...

I'll let you know about it as soon as I get it.

Simon.

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 04:14 PM 2016
You go KICK  casinos ARSE with the General looking over your shoulder thinking this guy is shit hot wish i could do that

“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.” Gustave Le Bon, “The Crowd”

Well said Gustave, well said.
I would play at a table with the General any day - at least I wouldn't have to dig through BS in order to place my chips. Whoever tells the truth will always be the enemy in this 'sport'. Too many people want the fantasy and reject the facts and truths. So be it. I still find the forums a waste of my time sometimes.

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 18, 05:31 PM 2016
Whoever tells the truth will always be the enemy in this 'sport'. Too many people want the fantasy and reject the facts and truths. So be it. I still find the forums a waste of my time sometimes.

Hi Turbo,

did you see me posting in threads that I didn´t like? I just thought let them discuss, prhaps there will be a nice idea.

But people like you, who waste their time in a forum, what do they do: Take their frustration and throw it to people they don´t know. Pls go to the casino and play wiht the genert<l. Don´t waste your time here and the world will be a better place.

Quote from: winkel on Apr 18, 05:48 PM 2016
Hi Turbo,

did you see me posting in threads that I didn´t like? I just thought let them discuss, prhaps there will be a nice idea.

But people like you, who waste their time in a forum, what do they do: Take their frustration and throw it to people they don´t know. Pls go to the casino and play wiht the genert<l. Don´t waste your time here and the world will be a better place.

Yes !
Please leave and stop pointing out fallacy and educating people about the facts of the game. I agree.
No one wants to read about that - we all learned it in school already, so who wants to be preached to about it now as adults !   (I can understand where you're coming from).
By the way, I have no frustration. I win each and every time I go to the casino - my frustration is
only from the time I spend telling people the truth just to be insulted over it.
Oh ! I know - I'll mysteriously leave after working everyone up about my holy grail.. swell idea.
Or I'll just delete my posts because my main intention wasn't to help people in the first place.
No wait, that's not me.

Same old, same old, turbo  :yawn:

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 06:09 PM 2016
Same old, same old, turbo  :yawn:

Yeah, but I'll never be accused of lying or telling someone something that isn't true in order to promote myself or some product (or my ego). I tell it like is, always have - since GG and before then.
Some people actually respect that kind of person and learn a few things. Some don't.
I'm not here to make friends, this isn't high school. If you want someone to tell you what you want to hear and not the truth - then I won't wait for you to join my fan club lol
:thumbsup:

finally

something RG is not involved with






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like you i win when i play, so dont expect a knock on the door

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 18, 06:12 PM 2016
finally

something RG is not involved with






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LOL !
Oh - remember the days at GG with Mark H ?
Wow it used to get heated - I was called every name in the book.
I can take it - could care less. If someone wants to jump up and down in the classroom for attention, let 'em. lol. At some point they'll just drop out of school anyway.

I keep getting this GUT feeling that Turbos not going to let this one go :lol:

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 06:20 PM 2016
I keep getting this GUT feeling that Turbos not going to let this one go :lol:

'eh I'm done.
Afterall - this thread is about someone selling shit (which everyone knows I am against).
I could care less how much work they put into it - or how much they had to work to piece together clues and whatnot from other posts. They would use it if it worked - if it didn't, they sell it. It's simple.
Everyone is free to send money and have a blast, or don't and blast me - I'm done with the topic.
Cheers

Okay Goodnight

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 02:16 PM 2016
Kimo li, albalaha, and PA walk into a bar.....the beginning of a jokeThe three wise monkeys

Moderators,
Since when in this forum tolerate insults and ridicule to members?
\iggiv, maybe you'll take a position? \

Quote from: VLS on Aug 17, 09:40 PM 2010
Hello guys, I'm glad to announce prolific author Kimo Li has registered with us today:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/profile/kimo li/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/profile/kimo%20li/)

Welcome to our community Kimo! :thumbsup:

You will find several familiar names and several of your followers around.

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"Only genius can appreciate the genius"

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 18, 05:57 PM 2016
...- my frustration is only from the time I spend telling people the truth just to be insulted over it. ...

History tells us: Don´t trust people who claim to be the keeper of the truth!

If you had read any of my posts you would have found, that I never ever said my strategy would be any kind of truth.
I posted my first sentence and my first graphic and I was attacked by the keepers of the truth. So I found: They are fachists.

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 18, 06:11 PM 2016
Yeah, but I'll never be accused of lying or telling someone something that isn't true in order to promote myself or some product (or my ego). btw you are doing this ego-thing with every post you write

Can you accuse me of having done something like that?
pls. proof

Everything Turbo said is spot on.

Just received the Ebook and the Tracker.

The Ebook is very well made and very well explained. LOTS of work has been put in it. I wonder how many hours it took to make this.

Since I am an advocate of the law of the third, it is probably the best book I bought on roulette and probably the last one I will have to buy.

I now FINALLY understand the trot!!!! Very well explained with graphics and examples.

About 75 pages long with LOTS of graphs!!

It was well worth the investment...! It will help me make my method even better.

Simon.

I'm not sure why people here would support this site and product - especially when the creator of the system is not a part of it.  Oh well, good luck. 

Quote from: The General on Apr 19, 02:15 PM 2016
Everything Turbo said is spot on.

That he is the owner of the truth?
I thought this is your claim

Simon
Now you have an understanding of the trot, can you see how its possible to bet for a repeat or a non-hit, not just wait for the crossing.
Do the graphs show when 2x's become 3x's, i find this happens more often than not, they become 3x's after the 20th spin,
jackpotjoy 11.2.16 +/- close spin 19
1 34 26
2 27
3 24
4 26
5 36
6 6
7 1
8 15
9 18
10 3
11 10
12 4
13 9
14 9 r
15 24 r 1
16 16 2
17 7 2
18 34 r 2
19 24 r 3 10 36
20 8
21 15
22 0
23 3
24 23
25 0

jackpotjoy 10.2.16 +/-  spin 24
1 8 4
2 31
3 24
4 12
5 11
6 20
7 22
8 27
9 1
10 2
11 4
12 20 r
13 33 1
14 11 r 1
15 18 2
16 23 2
17 30 2
18 7 2
19 12 r 2
20 1 r 3
21 3 4
22 19 4
23 27 r 4
24 12 r 5 32 36

Just a few,  see denzies back to back numbers twice not the 1000 odd spins math says #'s 8,12 in fact it happened 5 times in 60 spins
jackpotjoy 9.2.16 +/-
1 26 4
2 27
3 11
4 35
5 8
6 8 r
7 36 1
8 1 1
9 7 1
10 9 1
11 21 1
12 12 1
13 12 r 1
14 28 2
15 26 r 2
16 28 r 3
17 20 4
18 24 4
19 2 4
20 33 4
21 11 r 4
22 35 r 10
23 31 12
24 26 r 12 68 72
25 19
26 16


Heres the sheet

Quote from: winkel on Apr 19, 04:49 PM 2016
That he is the owner of the truth?
I thought this is your claim

More than one person can tell the same truth.
I have nothing against you Winkel - and I haven't read your posts, and I know (seriously) not even what GUT is about.
I didn't ride the wave with everyone else - I wasn't on the forums for a while... so...
All I could read was comments made presently about the topic.
That things weren't explained clearly, that posts were removed - that everyone seemed to
be excited about this amazing topic yet didn't know how it really worked.
This 'person' comes along with a product for sale that explains it all - here we are.
I still won't get on the wave though lol. I still don't know what it's about.

My aggression (if there is/was any) is towards the person selling this product when common sense
would tell anyone that something that works isn't going to be sold for a small price. It's nonsense.
So - that said (even though I said that I was done posting in this thread).
2 or more people can tell the same truth lol.
You can go to a college and find 10 professors teaching the same math - but there will always be students who think that they know more - that what they're hearing is not true, etc.
You will also get lots of students who resent the teacher and say stupid things like "That professor thinks he KNOWS EVERYTHING" - ie. "btw you are doing this ego-thing with every post you write"
I haven't made a single post to stroke my own ego - I'm posting the truth, the facts - pointing people in the right directions and away from the fallacy and lies (and blatant deception by scammers and system sellers).

"History tells us: Don´t trust people who claim to be the keeper of the truth!"
What history is that ? That quote is nonsense.
Tell that to Galileo - poor guy. Stupid lies about the earth being round. Don't trust HIM !
There are billions of people who believe the lie that there is a God - some 'supreme being' in the sky who watches every move they make. Billions of people. People "want" the lie, it makes them happy and content. People who tell the truth are always the bad guys in the group. So be it.

Ok enough lol - Again I'm done with this thread. I find it a waste of my time and energy and insulting to my intelligence to constantly have to defend myself. It's a bit silly.

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 19, 05:25 PM 2016
Do the graphs show when 2x's become 3x's, i find this happens more often than not, they become 3x's after the 20th spin,

Yes, it shows up to 4 repeats.

It shows all the deviation according to the expected value. The graphs are so well made. It really turned my light on!! It explains very well what is a fast, slow, and normal trot, and show's it on graphs compared to expected values.

A lot of work has been put in this eBook. The guy who wrote it is an excellent professor. I have to re-read it again, cause I'm bot sure I got everything the first time.

Simon,

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 19, 05:34 PM 2016
More than one person can tell the same truth.
I have nothing against you Winkel - and I haven't read your posts, and I know (seriously) not even what GUT is about.
I didn't ride the wave with everyone else - I wasn't on the forums for a while... so...
All I could read was comments made presently about the topic.
That things weren't explained clearly, that posts were removed - that everyone seemed to
be excited about this amazing topic yet didn't know how it really worked.
This 'person' comes along with a product for sale that explains it all - here we are.
I still won't get on the wave though lol. I still don't know what it's about.

My aggression (if there is/was any) is towards the person selling this product when common sense
would tell anyone that something that works isn't going to be sold for a small price. It's nonsense.
So - that said (even though I said that I was done posting in this thread).
2 or more people can tell the same truth lol.
You can go to a college and find 10 professors teaching the same math - but there will always be students who think that they know more - that what they're hearing is not true, etc.
You will also get lots of students who resent the teacher and say stupid things like "That professor thinks he KNOWS EVERYTHING" - ie. "btw you are doing this ego-thing with every post you write"
I haven't made a single post to stroke my own ego - I'm posting the truth, the facts - pointing people in the right directions and away from the fallacy and lies (and blatant deception by scammers and system sellers).

"History tells us: Don´t trust people who claim to be the keeper of the truth!"
What history is that ? That quote is nonsense.
Tell that to Galileo - poor guy. Stupid lies about the earth being round. Don't trust HIM !
There are billions of people who believe the lie that there is a God - some 'supreme being' in the sky who watches every move they make. Billions of people. People "want" the lie, it makes them happy and content. People who tell the truth are always the bad guys in the group. So be it.

Ok enough lol - Again I'm done with this thread. I find it a waste of my time and energy and insulting to my intelligence to constantly have to defend myself. It's a bit silly.

My take on this whole crock.

GUT works, I know it does, but you have to practice and really study the game to get good with it.  That is the hard part, and most will give up before having to put in the effort and use some brain cells to really learn how to do something well that requires effort.  Winkel came up with a really great idea, but while trying to explain it got attacked so much his explanations were hard to understand and he gave up trying to explain it after a while.

This person has written a book and made a tracker that explains it better and is asking for a reward for his hard work. What is wrong with that, why shouldn't he be rewarded for his hard work if it is well written and clear.  Apparently he has even given Winkel credit.  He is not giving away a secret, it is already out there.

I also, am completely against sellers of systems that just do not work.  This is not the same.

Disclaimer:  I am not associated with the seller, but I know how to play GUT, having studied it for a few years when it was originally published. I choose to use easier to play methods that work for me.

Quote from: button on Apr 19, 09:26 PM 2016

This person has written a book and made a tracker that explains it better and is asking for a reward for his hard work. What is wrong with that, why shouldn't he be rewarded for his hard work if it is well written and clear.  Apparently he has even given Winkel credit.  He is not giving away a secret, it is already out there.

Winkel is mentioned on almost every page of the eBook. The author never said that he invented the method. He says thru all the book that it all come from Winkel.

The only thing he does is explain everything like if he was in from of a classroom. Everything is explained crystal clear.

I didnt tried the tracker yet beacose I dont have Excel. I will have to find something else like open office that can run it.

Knowledge is Power. I bought the book beacose I did not understood the trot even after reading, re-reading, beeing explained, etc... This ebook made me understand it in less than 10 minutes.

All the work the guy put in this book is WAY worth the price.

Simon.


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Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 19, 05:34 PM 2016

There are billions of people who believe the lie that there is a God - some 'supreme being' in the sky who watches every move they make.

"O sancta simplicitas!"
Illiteracy is forgivable nescience,but ignorance is unforgivable knowledge!

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on Apr 26, 05:27 PM 2009

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

** Includes prayer.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

** Includes prayer.

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Since this is in the for sale section, I will comment on the GUT nonsense.

There's no mathematical proof that it could or should work.  Numbers on the wheel don't  know when they've been crossed, and they don’t know when they're due to hit.

Anyone that claims otherwise should put up the math that proves it's better than random betting.

If you're playing with it, then keep your bets low and do so for entertainment only.

Sorry, just the facts.

-The General

Quote from: The General on Apr 19, 11:27 PM 2016
There's no mathematical proof that it could or should work.  Numbers on the wheel don't  know when they've been crossed, and they don’t know when they're due to hit.

Anyone that claims otherwise should put up the math that proves it's better than random betting.

Is there a mathematical proof that it could not or should not work. I will love to see that.
Anyone who claims it does not work should put up the math that proves it should not work.

Naysayers, don't know where that bunch comes from.

Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 19, 11:38 PM 2016
Is there a mathematical proof that it could not or should not work. I will love to see that.
Anyone who claims it does not work should put up the math that proves it should not work.

Naysayers, don't know where that bunch comes from.

The chances of any math lovers putting up proof that it can't work is about as good as seeing pigs fly south for the winter.  Words just words.

Heres why when math fcuks up like this, they wont put nothing up as math dont have any bareing in the simple game of roulette

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Its not 1/37 at all

Its 1/37 x 1/37

Once ever 1370 spins

But thats the same for your 12 being followed by 6
We see back to back numbers all the time, i showed a sheet where it happened 5 times in 60 spins

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Heres why when math fcuks up like this, they wont put nothing up as math dont have any bareing in the simple game of roulette

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Re: just a question. ..
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 07:39:27 AM »

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Its not 1/37 at all

Its 1/37 x 1/37

Once ever 1370 spins

But thats the same for your 12 being followed by 6
We see back to back numbers all the time, i showed a sheet where it happened 5 times in 60 spins

so can you elaborate on why you have singled me out personally.

i would be interested to know the reason

Nothing personal Turner you've helped me out on some math before, but its just an example where the math figure says this, but in reality it dont react like math shows.

Notto, I see you keep posting that, but the truth is you don´t understand what it says. The chance of ANY number to repeat itself is 1 every 37 spins. Why? Because all the 37 have the same chance of hitting. Right? (When you see two, three or more numbers hitting back-to-back in 37 spins or less it´s variance at work. Take advantage of that, if you can. NOW what the math says about the 1/1370 is the CHANCE OF A SPECIFIC NUMBER to repeat itself. Try to grasp it! Imagine you are betting for number 25 to hit back-to-back. Only that number 25, not any other. You got one chance in 1370 spins for that 25 to repeat itself. Even if you see  say, the number 12 hitting back-to-back, followed by number 3, back-to-back, doesn´t matter (you weren´t betting on those). You happen to see number 25 hitting back to back it´ll take per average another 1370 spins to repeat itself again. It´s not difficult to understand at all.

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 20, 04:48 AM 2016
Nothing personal Turner you've helped me out on some math before, but its just an example where the math figure says this, but in reality it dont react like math shows.

The point is, if its thats simple, and thats the reality, just play the last number. Why sit there scribbling away and risking 260u draw downs when we can play last number

I dont know where people get it from that I am some kind of maths guy. My maths is average. O level C grade. I did advanced maths in my HND but it was Laplace transforms and matrices, not probability.

Quote from: Turner on Apr 20, 05:10 AM 2016
The point is, if its thats simple, and thats the reality, just play the last number. Why sit there scribbling away and risking 260u draw downs when we can play last number

Exactly. In practical terms that´s how you would take advantage of it. There´s more to it, of course, you can also bet the second last number to repeat as well, same probability. But let´s keep it simple.
It might work well for some time to the extend some rookie player would think he/she had found the holy graal, but the sad truth is: if you happen to bet and win on say three numbers hitting back to back in 37 spins,  chances are variance will correct itself and you won´t see any repeaters like those in the next 111 spins, resulting in a big loss.

And sorry for putting myself in the middle of your debates, it´s just waving misinformation around like a flag against Math is quite annoying. Math won´t make you win at Roulette, how could when it even says you can´t win it. But it helps you stay out of trouble.

Quote from: psimoes on Apr 20, 05:20 AM 2016
chances are variance will correct itself

:thumbsup:
This I love to read !

Ya it looks like what GUT is all about. Don´t know how well it performs yet but it might be a useful tool to determine that.

I'll just carry on blinkered to math. Start with 37 non-hit due, after 10 spins plough in allguns blazing betting just non-hit with +1/-1.
When its lost i'll take the loss against the +5000 its already won after 117 days using just 1 game per day.

Quote from: psimoes on Apr 20, 05:47 AM 2016
Ya it looks like what GUT is all about. Don´t know how well it performs yet but it might be a useful tool to determine that.

My number 1 stuff is all about RTM or whatever we call it. Does the job for me.
>:D

Quote from: button on Apr 20, 03:25 AM 2016
The chances of any math lovers putting up proof that it can't work is about as good as seeing pigs fly south for the winter.  Words just words.

Hehe. They did it to grassroots

Quote from: denzie on Apr 20, 06:12 AM 2016
My number 1 stuff is all about RTM or whatever we call it. Does the job for me.
>:D

Number 1? What are you referring to? Always curious you know  :wink:

Quote from: button on Apr 20, 03:25 AM 2016
The chances of any math lovers putting up proof that it can't work is about as good as seeing pigs fly south for the winter.  Words just words.

On Oct. 17, 2000, a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig flew on a commercial airliner - first class, no less

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 20, 06:53 AM 2016
On Oct. 17, 2000, a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig flew on a commercial airliner - first class, no less

Technically, it flew...I will accept that  :thumbsup:

So much I was supposed to do when a pig flew....

LOL
Me too - I have to find that list and start working on that stuff now

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 20, 07:14 AM 2016
So much I was supposed to do when a pig flew....

I like that  :thumbsup:

Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 20, 06:37 AM 2016
Number 1? What are you referring to? Always curious you know  :wink:

Lol....I posted some stuff about TV and things  ;D

I wonder what the math guys think about RTM ? Not that it would influence my game but always good to hear ^^

Guidelines for Evaluating Systems  This information is from, "The Mathematics of Gambling", by Dr. Edward Thorp.

The general principles we have discussed apply, they guarentee that systems can not give the player an advantage.
To help you reject systems, here are conditions which guarantee that a system is worthless:

1. Each individual bet in the game has a negative expectation
This makes any series of bets have a negative expectation

2.There is a maximum limit to the size of any possible game.
(This rules out systems like the no-limit doubling up system.)

3. The results of any one play of the game do not "influence" the results of any other play of the game.
(Thus, in roulette, we assume that the chances are equally likely for all of the numbers on each and every future spin, regardless of the results of past spins.)

4. There is a minimum allowed size for any bet. (This is necessary for the technical steps in the mathematical proof.  Most people would take for granted that there is such a minimum, namely some multiple of the smallest monetary unit.)

Under these conditions, it is a mathematical fact that every possible gambling system is worthless in the following ways:

1. Any series of bets has negative expectation
2. This expectation is the (negative) sum of the expectations of the individual bets.
3. If the player continues to bet, his total loss divided by his total action will tend to get closer and closer to his expected loss divided by his total action.
4. If the player continues to bet it is almost certain that he will:
    (a) be a loser;
    (b) eventually stay a loser forever, and so never again break even;
    (c) eventually lose his entire bankroll, no matter how large it was.
The above information is from, "The Mathematics of Gambling". 


The above information does not apply to strategies such as:

B ased wheels or various types of visual ballistics.

 
Ho hum

General,

You've made your point in every single topic you've entered just move on.  You sound like a broken record and no one cares, wait system/strategy players dont care.

The  General does it his way . Like it or  not.  I for my part approve of "His WAY".

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 20, 01:32 PM 2016
General,

You've made your point in every single topic you've entered just move on.  You sound like a broken record and no one cares, wait system/strategy players dont care.

Ok - so :

Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 19, 11:38 PM 2016
Is there a mathematical proof that it could not or should not work. I will love to see that.
Anyone who claims it does not work should put up the math that proves it should not work.

Naysayers, don't know where that bunch comes from.

Quote from: button on Apr 20, 03:25 AM 2016
The chances of any math lovers putting up proof that it can't work is about as good as seeing pigs fly south for the winter.  Words just words.

Amazing right ?

Facts are presented
Ask or demand for proof -
proof is supplied.
Complain about the person saying the truth

Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 19, 09:32 PM 2016
Knowledge is Power.

It appears knowledge that is true or not is only power if people agree - even when they are wrong.
Like I (well, someone else said)
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.” Gustave Le Bon

The REAL problem is - the system/method/strategy people (myself included) and the "math people" (myself included) are NOT the enemy and aren't on both sides of the coin. They can actually agree.
We can do both and win. You can use math and win. You can also not listen to what people have to say unless you agree with them - "Ignorance is bliss"

" Knowledge is Power". That`s why we need  CIA and MI 6.

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 20, 05:29 PM 2016
Ask or demand for proof -
proof is supplied.

Where is the proof? General has written a paragraph from the book from Edward. What if Edward is the inventor of card counting. Going back to your galileo example, Galileo was not believed just because Ptolemy wrote the geocentric model before him. Just because someone writes something it is not a proof. It is more like media and truth.

Quote from: The General on Apr 20, 01:00 PM 2016
Ho hum

If I remember right,  in place of this post there was a crap mathematical equation which just said there is a house edge. It had nothing to do with disproving GUT. It was removed and modified just with a "ho hum" probably because people in this forum are not wise enough to understand it.

Also General, I had very high regards of yourselves. Why twist the truth. The last sentence you have written there saying "this statement is not applicable for VB and bias based methods" should read "Of all roulette methods I have ever come across this is not applicable for VB and bias based methods". I am sure the book was written before GUT was written in the forum and hence automatically GUT is not something the esteemed Dr has not come across. Even if consider your paragraph as a proof then automatically GUT is excluded from it.

I am no one to say you should trust GUT, as there is no mathematical proof that has been made available or at least I have not seen one. In the same way, I have not seen a proof that explicitly proves that GUT does not work. I challenge you to publish a proof if you can. Writing an equation that talks about how house edge eventually takes over any betting position does not work and you know that clearly.

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 20, 05:29 PM 2016
The REAL problem is - the system/method/strategy people (myself included) and the "math people" (myself included) are NOT the enemy and aren't on both sides of the coin. They can actually agree.
We can do both and win. You can use math and win. You can also not listen to what people have to say unless you agree with them - "Ignorance is bliss"

Well said TurboGenius. The problem is "Ignorance is bliss" applies to the so called "math people" as well. Why get lost in the house edge equation, when there are number of ways you can beat the game using math. Taking the right example, you claim to beat the math game using math. I bet you are not using physical variable methods like bias and vb. So is General saying based on the so called proof posted that your method for roulette will not work and eventually house edge will catch you as it is not based on bias or vb. Do you agree to the proof that you dont have a method that will win long term?

By the way, they indeed do that sometimes. (link:s://sooeyns.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/flying-pig.jpg)

Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 20, 07:58 PM 2016
I bet you are not using physical variable methods like bias and vb. So is General saying based on the so called proof posted that your method for roulette will not work and eventually house edge will catch you as it is not based on bias or vb. Do you agree to the proof that you dont have a method that will win long term?

I don't use bias or vb - yet I know from experience that they both work nicely.
I can't speak for him - but I am quite sure that he would say that my 'method' will fail and can't
overcome the house edge given enough time.
I just haven't converted him yet lol. I have my own proof that what I use works...
If I post that or not is another story, but I do intend to.

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 20, 08:54 PM 2016
but I do intend to.

thats a breath of fresh air

many dont

admittedly because they do not want to share, are selfish, or do not want to give it to people that do not try

I think once the multiplayer site is working fine and the ranking is worked out as it should be.....
there won't be any question as to "if what I do works or not".
The argument can be made that this won't be enough spins - but I'm willing to play and bet on as many as possible. Results speak for themselves.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 20, 08:55 PM 2016
thats a breath of fresh air
many dont
admittedly because they do not want to share, are selfish, or do not want to give it to people that do not try

Well, there are other problems also that go along with it.
Sometimes the best option is to be quiet, other times the best option is to share.

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 20, 08:59 PM 2016
Well, there are other problems also that go along with it.
Sometimes the best option is to be quiet, other times the best option is to share.

the worst is posting something you have worked hard on, spent a lot of time on

then have it bashed

i seem like i have a short fuse and am crazy at times

THAT all started with a method by lanky

i spent days writing it up. making charts. explaining it. and created a forum for it. then people like mogul came and bashed it. I eveb PMed many many members who i felt deserved it. people are too ungrateful

MAN IS THAT FRUSTRATING

the attackers are members who have never shared a method they worked on. probably because they have not worked on much.

it will drag ya down

thats why i felt sorry for winkel

why did herb have to do what he did to winkel...if he is not a system player anyways

You just have to ignore some people - even though sometimes that's virtually impossible to do so. I know that I can't.  :sad2:

take hours/days to put things together

have it bashed

it will make you bitter real fast

lol.
How about making systems - giving them away for free with full instructions and then someone takes that and sells it.
Or better yet - on my 'free' site I had a donation button (OH damn - everyone at GG jumped on me about that)
Just don't get bitter - you'll just end up yelling at kids on your grass all day lol
(link:s://otterlover58.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/get_off_mylawn.jpg)

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 20, 09:20 PM 2016
lol.
How about making systems - giving them away for free with full instructions and then someone takes that and sells it.
Or better yet - on my 'free' site I had a donation button (OH damn - everyone at GG jumped on me about that)
Just don't get bitter - you'll just end up yelling at kids on your grass all day lol
(link:s://otterlover58.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/get_off_mylawn.jpg)

getting bitter was my worst downfall here

its MY LAWN

Gone quiet, must all be studying.
I'm off to the bookies now, perhaps Mr j's on his way to the B+M :twisted:

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 24, 12:49 PM 2016
Gone quiet, must all be studying.
I'm off to the bookies now, perhaps Mr j's on his way to the B+M :twisted:

As long as people can get a refund, I guess it's all good. lol

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 24, 12:49 PM 2016
Gone quiet, must all be studying.
I'm off to the bookies now, perhaps Mr j's on his way to the B+M :twisted:

No, in another two hours. Meeting family there.

Ken

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 24, 12:49 PM 2016
Gone quiet, must all be studying.

I havent come here in a while. I have been playing a lot online. Since I now understand the trot and know how to use it, I am making so F*CKING MUCH MONEY!!! I play only 2 crossings now. All unhit 0x -> 1x around spin 37 and all 1x -> 2x around spin 70 according to the trot. Playing +1 -1 on both. Then I jump.

Dont have much time to come here now... Time is money....  :twisted:

Simon.

Great news Simon!

So there'll be no problems with Christmas presents for GF this year?

Quote from: nextyear on Apr 26, 11:58 PM 2016
Great news Simon!

So there'll be no problems with Christmas presents for GF this year?

Nope!

Simon.

Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 26, 11:23 PM 2016. All unhit 0x -> 1x around spin 37 and all 1x -> 2x around spin 70 according to the trot. Playing +1 -1

Simon.

That's the only thing you play ? No bets before spin 37 ? (How many numbers on average are bet?)

All repeaters around spin 70? (How many numbers are bet ? ) going for 2 hits ?

denzie,

did you read the ebook?
Reading your questions I guess not. But you really should as you work with straight up bet and hit and unhit numbers.
It will be like you lived your roulette life in the dark and suddenly someone turns on the light.
You can see everything clearly if you use the tracker tool.

And NO there is no affiliate program for the book.  :twisted:
It is like SimonZed1 said. Suddenly you know where and when to bet and money is rolling in. :thumbsup:

Cheers R.

I would like to thank the readers of my book for the kind words and reviews posted here.
May the chips be with you always!

Gutroulette  ;)

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 27, 12:56 AM 2016
denzie,

did you read the ebook?
Reading your questions I guess not. But you really should as you work with straight up bet and hit and unhit numbers.
It will be like you lived your roulette life in the dark and suddenly someone turns on the light.
You can see everything clearly if you use the tracker tool.

And NO there is no affiliate program for the book.  :twisted:
It is like SimonZed1 said. Suddenly you know where and when to bet and money is rolling in. :thumbsup:

Cheers R.

No I didn't read the ebook. But looking my sheets (a looooooot) I can see how to bet.
I just asked coz I could verify his findings on my sheets. More than 700 real played sessions.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 26, 11:23 PM 2016
I play only 2 crossings now. All unhit 0x -> 1x around spin 37 and all 1x -> 2x around spin 70 according to the trot. Playing +1 -1 on both. Then I jump.

But there should not be crossing unhit 0x ->1x around spin 37, but around 25th spin?

Quote from: nextyear on Apr 27, 05:10 AM 2016
But there should not be crossing unhit 0x ->1x around spin 37, but around 25th spin?

He is right. At spin 25 is the crossing 0x vs. >0x
:thumbsup:

So is info at spin 13 useful for the trot/count

I must admit, that tracker looks pretty impressive.

Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 26, 11:23 PM 2016
I havent come here in a while. I have been playing a lot online. Since I now understand the trot and know how to use it, I am making so F*CKING MUCH MONEY!!! I play only 2 crossings now. All unhit 0x -> 1x around spin 37 and all 1x -> 2x around spin 70 according to the trot. Playing +1 -1 on both. Then I jump.

Dont have much time to come here now... Time is money....  :twisted:

Simon.

With $0.10 units?  This is not a knock, just wondering since other recent posts of yours state this unit size online. 

Makes note to stay away from the "Products & Services For Sale" section.

Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 27, 07:22 AM 2016
Makes note to stay away from the "Products & Services For Sale" section.

Note to self:  It's too early to make a note to self.

Quote from: denzie on Apr 27, 12:24 AM 2016
That's the only thing you play ? No bets before spin 37 ? (How many numbers on average are bet?)

All repeaters around spin 70? (How many numbers are bet ? ) going for 2 hits ?

That’s all. I bet on average 11 to 15 numbers, Going for 1 hit only.

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 27, 12:56 AM 2016
It will be like you lived your roulette life in the dark and suddenly someone turns on the light.
You can see everything clearly if you use the tracker tool.

Couldn’t have said it better. With the tracker you follow the trot in real time.

Quote from: Gutroulette on Apr 27, 01:19 AM 2016
I would like to thank the readers of my book for the kind words and reviews posted here.
May the chips be with you always!

Your Ebook and Tracker-Clicker are works of arts!! I am just curious how much time you put creating these! Anyway, thanks a lot for making them! WAY worth the small price. Last book on roulette I will ever buy.

Would be great though if the tracker would work on Open Office. I had to buy MS Office in order to use it. But well worth it.

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 27, 05:34 AM 2016
He is right. At spin 25 is the crossing 0x vs. >0x
:thumbsup:

I dont play this one: 0x vs. >0x , well, not yet. I find it too unstable.

Quote from: 3Nine on Apr 27, 06:46 AM 2016
I must admit, that tracker looks pretty impressive.

It is very impressive. Clicker works perfectly with ANY tables., I have dual monitor and I have the tracker on my left and roulette in front. Nice Setup!

Simon.

Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 27, 08:01 PM 2016
That’s all. I bet on average 11 to 15 numbers, Going for 1 hit only.

Couldn’t have said it better. With the tracker you follow the trot in real time.

Your Ebook and Tracker-Clicker are works of arts!! I am just curious how much time you put creating these! Anyway, thanks a lot for making them! WAY worth the small price. Last book on roulette I will ever buy.

Would be great though if the tracker would work on Open Office. I had to buy MS Office in order to use it. But well worth it.

I dont play this one: 0x vs. >0x , well, not yet. I find it too unstable.

It is very impressive. Clicker works perfectly with ANY tables., I have dual monitor and I have the tracker on my left and roulette in front. Nice Setup!

Simon.

How many units are you ahead?  How much per session average?  Per spin, average?   Thanks.

Trot/count whatever you like to call it. How do you use it?
Are you just watching or waiting for the tracker to show the crossing?

I use the Trot/count for non-hit and repeats 1x's, >1x's.

As Winkel said it's possible to bet every spin? obviously not at spin 1, but we will never know as Winkel did not get to this part.
On todays J247.com #'s, spin 1-10, 27-10-0, so now you think of topic 12 unique in xspins, at spin 13 Winkel shows it could be 26-9-2, is the tracker letting you know that the 1xs are getting heavy, due to repeat?
How many cycles do non-hit keep hitting consecutively above 10?
On the machine of death (FOBT) i've seen 23 consecutively, once in last 7 years of game play, obviously they come when i'm not playing, but how often will you meet 23 non-hits consecutively.

In the jackpot247.com average document i'm building, of 123 games theres only 25 games where in spins 1-10 its 10 non-hit, so 98 have had at least 1 repeat in spins 1-10, of those 25 games the most consecutive non-hit is 17, once.

Was thinking lately about that:

Let's say we just play the crossing 0x vs. 1x always and exclusively.
This is on average a 14 to 15 numbers bet.
Played as per the rule: stop if lost 2 consecutive times.

This is remotely compareable with an even chance bet. Like you put 15 units on RED or BLACK. I know not exactly but follow my thoughts.
We know that even chances produce loosing streaks longer than 20 and kill our martingales.

As many games of GUT I played already I can't imagine that would happen here.
I think it is impossible that the 0x vs. 1x will lose both bets in over 10 consecutive games.

Would be interesting if someone could code that for the million spins.

:question: Cheers R.

Con-fused showed if you play just the same crossing eventually you lose.
But you will be betting different crossings at different times so i'd say you would keep in front.
Winkel did post some data on playing RNG , live, on-line and i know the RNG was winning which pleased me as i play RNG 99.9% of the time.

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 28, 06:07 AM 2016
Trot/count whatever you like to call it. How do you use it?
Are you just watching or waiting for the tracker to show the crossing?

In the jackpot247.com average document i'm building, of 123 games theres only 25 games where in spins 1-10 its 10 non-hit, so 98 have had at least 1 repeat in spins 1-10, of those 25 games the most consecutive non-hit is 17, once.

How would you attack on that ?

I do not play KTF every time, i'm a trot/count watcher. So 10/10 is not unknown, but if this game was in the bookies i'd be just watching, seeing spin 11 is another non-hit, i would wait till spin 13 to see the trot/count, which is now 26-9-2. i would now start to bet for the 0x's with +1/-1 as at spin 25 we could see 18/19-14/15-3/5, so 2 of the 4 repeats i've let go by, 2 more repeats then the 0x comes be +3 on prog, would not be too worried as 5 non-hit in spins 11-20 is avg, it ends 6,+1 be +13 units. Back to just watch, or leave that wheel or machine and start again.

Notto, aren't you sly!! :thumbsup:
Only life can learn you that!

Okay nextyear
heres 31 #'s just spun at ladbrokes. I win +15.75 for .25p units, £1 units would be +63, so can you make the 63 units or more. Remember i'm not just a KTF player, i'm more of a trot/count watcher :thumbsup:
I'll post the sheet later in real spins, good luck
lads sandy 28.04.16
1 26
2 27
3 23
4 26
5 12
6 33
7 5
8 22
9 22
10 26
11 36
12 22
13 4
14 10
15 11
16 8
17 35
18 10
19 0
20 33
21 32
22 21
23 15
24 36
25 27
26 28
27 11
28 6
29 1
30 4
31 8


Just watching the trot/count. Even lost £1.50 to the zero as have to place a £1 to spin the wheel, so 6 DS 1.50

Quote from: 3Nine on Apr 27, 08:38 PM 2016
How many units are you ahead?  How much per session average?  Per spin, average?   Thanks.

I’m about 560 units ahead. I get around 20 units per crossing. The rest I don't really know.

I forgot to say that even if I use the Tracker, I still paper track also. Before placing a bet on the 0x -­­> 1x crossing I check if the averages hit \ unhit of 1-13, 14-25 and 26-37 are in the averages. This has helped me a lot taking better decisions.

I only play 0x-1x now. After a win I jump 10.

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 28, 06:49 AM 2016
Was thinking lately about that:

Let's say we just play the crossing 0x vs. 1x always and exclusively.
This is on average a 14 to 15 numbers bet.
Played as per the rule: stop if lost 2 consecutive times.

This is remotely compareable with an even chance bet. Like you put 15 units on RED or BLACK. I know not exactly but follow my thoughts.
We know that even chances produce loosing streaks longer than 20 and kill our martingales.

As many games of GUT I played already I can't imagine that would happen here.
I think it is impossible that the 0x vs. 1x will lose both bets in over 10 consecutive games.

Would be interesting if someone could code that for the million spins.

:question: Cheers R.

Very interesting idea!!

I do something similar in sports betting. It has never failed me.

Simon.

whilst everyones banging on about Multiplayer roulette, thought i'd go watch the RNG. Piece of p-ss.
Tried to send this sheet to curiosone but file to large. Just watch the trot mate

Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 28, 06:49 AM 2016
Was thinking lately about that:

Let's say we just play the crossing 0x vs. 1x always and exclusively.
This is on average a 14 to 15 numbers bet.
Played as per the rule: stop if lost 2 consecutive times.

This is remotely compareable with an even chance bet. Like you put 15 units on RED or BLACK. I know not exactly but follow my thoughts.
We know that even chances produce loosing streaks longer than 20 and kill our martingales.

As many games of GUT I played already I can't imagine that would happen here.
I think it is impossible that the 0x vs. 1x will lose both bets in over 10 consecutive games.

Would be interesting if someone could code that for the million spins.

:question: Cheers R.

Have you looked into Winkel's mirror system?  That he is using when waiting for a crossing? And just betting RED and BLACK..

I'll say this again and i do not have the E-book, but Winkel Gave you the answer to winning, read the trot, you will not need a computer to cheat with or stare at a wheel for hours, just learn what 0x's then 1x's+>1x's are doing. As Azim said you'll need to practice.
Simplest way is just bet non-hit over 40 to 60 spins, with +1/-1. once you've seen how the 0x's hit you will see how to bet for repeats, Celtic showed how, just read what he said, simple, No math please and do not say i'm trying to help, poor old RG must be sick of those words by now :twisted:

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 29, 01:20 PM 2016
I'll say this again and i do not have the E-book, but Winkel Gave you the answer to winning, read the trot, you will not need a computer to cheat with or stare at a wheel for hours, just learn what 0x's then 1x's+>1x's are doing. As Azim said you'll need to practice.
Simplest way is just bet non-hit over 40 to 60 spins, with +1/-1. once you've seen how the 0x's hit you will see how to bet for repeats, Celtic showed how, just read what he said, simple, No math please and do not say i'm trying to help, poor old RG must be sick of those words by now :twisted:

Sick? Understatement

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 29, 01:10 PM 2016
whilst everyones banging on about Multiplayer roulette, thought i'd go watch the RNG. Piece of p-ss.
Tried to send this sheet to curiosone but file to large. Just watch the trot mate

Thanks NOtto :)

Help!! I'm confused!

Many codes names for me!?

What is trot!?

Notto - do you just simple play 10 spins, then bet non-hits!?

I know I have ask this already but reading this post you say and some other i get someone with all the code names!?

Are you running a few didn't system!

Sorry to be a pain!

Thanks

There are 75 pages to read,take your time :)

Quote from: Gzgzbee on Apr 29, 02:13 PM 2016
Help!! I'm confused!

Many codes names for me!?

What is trot!? When you arrive at the B+M or sit down at your computer to play roulette, there are 37 pockets, these 37 pockets are all non-hit. As you play the pockets get hit, so what you are seeing is the trot/count or even the march of the pockets. What you are watching are non-hit become 1X, then 1x's become >1x's, this is your trot or what you like to name it.

Notto - do you just simple play 10 spins, then bet non-hits!? Thats exactly what KTF does. I was fed up with outlandish methods being posted, so i thought i'd show how simple a bet betting the non-hit could be. It did not suddenly jump out at me, it took time to see what the blocks of 10 spins where doing.It was when i finally looked at GUT that i could see what i was doing, i was disregarding the 1x's and >1x's. So i got the graph paper out and started to draw previous games i had played on the FOBT's, Now Winkels trot was making sense, but believe me you need to keep going over games. But there was a piece of the puzzle not quite there, it was, AVERAGE.
Thats something else

I know I have ask this already but reading this post you say and some other i get someone with all the code names!?

Are you running a few didn't system! No i'm a trot/count watcher. Clue try to get to grips with info from Winkel, info he gave at 13th spin, this relates to 25th spin, then what happens upto the 37th spin.There thats probably blown your head.

Sorry to be a pain! No your not a pain, you just asked some questions, i don't mind answering questions as long as i've met the question during my time playing roulette

Thanks

Good luck with the studying

I know the sheet is for rng, but i did visit the B+M this week and i must say i prefer the FOBT it just plays so well, i dont get why people have so much trouble with it.
Look at the 3 games,all under 40 spins and under 30 miutes each game. The biggest issue is the max bet being £100, so you have to use the smallest unit.
Could you find a bias wheel in under 30 minutes?

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 29, 02:48 PM 2016
Good luck with the studying

Good answers nottophammer!

Thank you again Notto!

What does 1x and >1x  mean!?

Soo just wanted to know I wasn't missing any with the KTE method and it wasn't a simple as non-hitter.

Thanks

Quote from: Gzgzbee on Apr 29, 03:29 PM 2016
Thank you again Notto!

What does 1x Hit onceand >1xhit more than once  mean!?

Soo just wanted to know I wasn't missing any with the KTE method and it wasn't a simple as non-hitter.KTF is just betting non-hit(0x) with +1/-1. WTF is trying for repeats completely different

Thanks

Kool,

Can't wait to test it!!

Have you done any simulation testing over 10,000 spins or anything!

Just a know someone who can code who might be willing to code it!

Thanks

If GUT gets to hard perhaps people could have ago with this link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2524.45  :lol: :twisted:

Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 29, 04:03 PM 2016
If GUT gets to hard perhaps people could have ago with this link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2524.45  :lol: :twisted:

-Notto

I was just adding up how much time I have spent studying GUT and was amazed that it is over 200 hours to get to where I am now betting repeats with it, and, I am still learning through PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE every day. I then thought about YOU!!! :ooh:
Maybe people would like an estimate from you on how much time you have spent studying G.U.T.
My guess is well over 1000 hours easily :question:

-Celtic

Quote from: Celticknits on Apr 29, 05:07 PM 2016
-Notto

I was just adding up how much time I have spent studying GUT and was amazed that it is over 200 hours to get to where I am now betting repeats with it, and, I am still learning through PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE every day. I then thought about YOU!!! :ooh:
Maybe people would like an estimate from you on how much time you have spent studying G.U.T.
My guess is well over 1000 hours easily :question:

-Celtic

This is why GUT will only ever be the HG for some, too much work involved.  Most people on boards like this are lazy and looking for quick easy methods to be handed to them.

That was true for me too. I read all the 80 pages of the main thread on VLSroulette several times, had the feeling that is indeed the HG but never fully understood and after playing some losing sessions with the trackers of those days gave up for months. Then I read it all again and did some tests again with negative results being jealous of those who made money. Countless hours of reading and trying.

But now I think there is no reason to learn it the hard way and it took me just a few hours to read the 75 pages book. Thanks to Randy's tracker/clicker I don't miss a single bet or misplace my bets anymore.

I really have to thank Winkel for publishing GUT and Randy J. for explaining it in a clear and easy to understand way. To me that book is the silver platter on which GUT has been served.

R.

I read the original thread by Winkel back when he first wrote it.  It took a lot of practice to get good with it.  Trial and error paid off.  This tracker I find the best now, I still miss some bets and get it wrong ocassionally, but missed bets are rarer now:

link:://:.norcosoft.com/Download/GUTSetup.exe

Glad to see some are reporting that GUT now works. :thumbsup:
So can i ask,do you understand the TROT now. >:D

I feel like Neo. No need to dodge the bullets anymore. :xd:

R.

Quote from: nottophammer on May 25, 03:26 AM 2016
Glad to see some are reporting that GUT now works. :thumbsup:
So can i ask,do you understand the TROT now. >:D

Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 7 37
2 21 36
3 29 35
4 35 34
5 13 33
6 24 32
7 3 31
8 9 30
9 23 29
10 22 28
11 19 27 1 9 9
12 11 26 1 10 19
13 31 25 1 11 30
14 9 R 24 1 -24 6
15 7 R 24 2 -48 -42
16 12 24 3 36 -6
17 23 R 23 2 -46 -52
18 20 23 3 39 -13
19 30 22 2 28 15
20 11 R 21 1 -21 -6
21 16 21 2 30 24
22 29 R 20 1 -20 4
23 11 R 20 2 -40 -36
24 32 20 3 48 12
25 2 19 2 34 46
26 3 R 18 1 -18 28
27 17 18 2 36 64
28 27 17 1 19 83
29 23 R 16 1 -16 67
30 22 R 16 2 -32 35
31 11 R 16 3 -48 -13
32 35 R 16 4 -64 -77
33 17 R 16 5 -80 -157
34 23 R 16 6 -96 -253
35 1 16 7 140 -113
36 32 R 15 6 -90 -203
37 7 R 15 7 -105 -308
38 26 15 8 168 -140
39 17 R 14 7 -98 -238
40 23 R 14 8 -112 -350
41 32 R 14 9 -126 -476
42 4 14 10 220 -256
43 20 R 13 9 -117 -373
44 36 13 10 230 -143
45 1 R 12 9 -108 -251
46 25 12 10 240 -11
47 0 11 9 225 214
48 36 R 10 8 -80 134
49 22 R 10 9 -90 44
50 6 10 10 260 304
51 17 R 9 9 -81 223
52 2 R 9 10 -90 133
53 12 R 9 11 -99 34
54 13 R 9 12 -108 -74
55 23 R 9 13 -117 -191
56 12 R 9 14 -126 -317
57 29 R 9 15 -135 -452
58 15 9 16 432 -20
59 35 R 8 15 -120 -140
60 16 R 8 16 -128 -268
61 14 8 17 476 208

These are 100 live spins immersive from redherring.
If you just bet 0X's , you could walk with a profit numerous places.
If like Celtic who understood, look at spins 21-30 the average 5 repeats,so 5 0X's
And spins 31-40 only 2, 0x's, what does the average suggest 3,0X's, 15 in 30,   7,5,3

Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 27, 11:40 AM 2016

Code Select Expand

Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 7 37
2 21 36
3 29 35
4 35 34
5 13 33
6 24 32
7 3 31
8 9 30
9 23 29
10 22 28
11 19 27 1 9 9
12 11 26 1 10 19
13 31 25 1 11 30
14 9 R 24 1 -24 6
15 7 R 24 2 -48 -42
16 12 24 3 36 -6
17 23 R 23 2 -46 -52
18 20 23 3 39 -13
19 30 22 2 28 15
20 11 R 21 1 -21 -6
21 16 21 2 30 24
22 29 R 20 1 -20 4
23 11 R 20 2 -40 -36
24 32 20 3 48 12
25 2 19 2 34 46
26 3 R 18 1 -18 28
27 17 18 2 36 64
28 27 17 1 19 83
29 23 R 16 1 -16 67
30 22 R 16 2 -32 35
31 11 R 16 3 -48 -13
32 35 R 16 4 -64 -77
33 17 R 16 5 -80 -157
34 23 R 16 6 -96 -253
35 1 16 7 140 -113
36 32 R 15 6 -90 -203
37 7 R 15 7 -105 -308
38 26 15 8 168 -140
39 17 R 14 7 -98 -238
40 23 R 14 8 -112 -350
41 32 R 14 9 -126 -476
42 4 14 10 220 -256
43 20 R 13 9 -117 -373
44 36 13 10 230 -143
45 1 R 12 9 -108 -251
46 25 12 10 240 -11
47 0 11 9 225 214
48 36 R 10 8 -80 134
49 22 R 10 9 -90 44
50 6 10 10 260 304
51 17 R 9 9 -81 223
52 2 R 9 10 -90 133
53 12 R 9 11 -99 34
54 13 R 9 12 -108 -74
55 23 R 9 13 -117 -191
56 12 R 9 14 -126 -317
57 29 R 9 15 -135 -452
58 15 9 16 432 -20
59 35 R 8 15 -120 -140
60 16 R 8 16 -128 -268
61 14 8 17 476 208

These are 100 live spins immersive from redherring.
If you just bet 0X's , you could walk with a profit numerous places.
If like Celtic who understood, look at spins 21-30 the average 5 repeats,so 5 0X's
And spins 31-40 only 2, 0x's, what does the average suggest 3,0X's, 15 in 30,   7,5,3

Thanks notto.
Yes this is a normal trott. Then it's easy to play the 1x. Much harder when you have a slow or fast trott.
I always play after your averages 7,5,3 when playing the 1x. It's much easier.
The 0x is much harder to play I think. Why? because it can go so fast south because they are so big bets.
Do you still play the 0x? and some 1x?
Have you looked in to the later crossings?
- Tuddilue

Hi Tuddilue
Just been to Ladbrokes and used the grid, so i get a voucher code tomorrow for a free bet worth between £5 to £100, but they will only give me a £5 code as i will win £4.80 on 1 spin or better still £7.20.

the sheet shows top game the marquee from last player. My 1st 10 spins are below with 9/10.

I used the top game as the 0x's was 5 straight of in spins 11-20.
Can you see the difference in the spins 11-20  for each game, the #'s from the marquee play so different to my game 9/10,
9,+4 Celts would have liked to played that.

Playing 0x's can be simple or at worst complicated, the average doc helps to play them, the 100 games average is not so far away from the 200 game average, even the max to hit is so similar.

Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 27, 04:28 PM 2016
Hi Tuddilue
Just been to Ladbrokes and used the grid, so i get a voucher code tomorrow for a free bet worth between £5 to £100, but they will only give me a £5 code as i will win £4.80 on 1 spin or better still £7.20.

the sheet shows top game the marquee from last player. My 1st 10 spins are below with 9/10.

I used the top game as the 0x's was 5 straight of in spins 11-20.
Can you see the difference in the spins 11-20  for each game, the #'s from the marquee play so different to my game 9/10,
9,+4 Celts would have liked to played that.

Playing 0x's can be simple or at worst complicated, the average doc helps to play them, the 100 games average is not so far away from the 200 game average, even the max to hit is so similar.

Thanks notto!
Yes I think the average document is the key to 0x. I started to collect for an average document long ago but I have never created one. I will do that and look into yours and see if I understand all. Otherwise I will ask you..
For me I almost always play the 1x but I also want to play the 0x..
-Tuddilue

Again Ladbrokes, Baldock. Got the voucher and yes a £5 code, won £4.80 for the 1 spin.
Now top game is the marquee, so my 10 spins are game below, but i play for a repeat on the marquee game, oh dear 10/10, like the marquee.
But as i followed for the repeat and the 0x's are so high, i/you would have to continue for the repeats. Game ends 25,+0, the 15 0x's in spins 11-40.

I was going to pack up at spin 40, but thought of what i said in Winning system* i think* and as the remaining 12 0x's have already missed for 3 spins i'll start to bet the 12 #'s.

I play an advanced version of Winkel's GUT for several months now which to me is the best method to look at roulette when playing straight-up bets.
As I read on forums many derogatory posts from members which do not even bother to understand the whole thing I decided to record a 1000 units challenge playing just the basic strategy.
I will play real money sessions on RNG with 10c as my base unit and I will mostly flat bet. But I will also use levels bets and progressions if I see advantageous situations.

May intent is to show that even the Basic Strategy can gain steady profits if played well. (I hope I can play well in the stressful situation while recording and commenting)

Those who are interested can follow me on YouTube.
Those who don't care, negative nay-sayers and 1-4 numbers players should stay away.
I try to upload new sessions every 1 to 3 days.

link:s://youtu.be/yfS_7BSFgCg

Sorry for the first session being a bit long, I try to keep the next ones shorter.

Quote from: Gutroulett on Sep 23, 12:16 PM 2016
I play an advanced version of Winkel's GUT for several months now which to me is the best method to look at roulette when playing straight-up bets.
As I read on forums many derogatory posts from members which do not even bother to understand the whole thing I decided to record a 1000 units challenge playing just the basic strategy.
I will play real money sessions on RNG with 10c as my base unit and I will mostly flat bet. But I will also use levels bets and progressions if I see advantageous situations.

May intent is to show that even the Basic Strategy can gain steady profits if played well. (I hope I can play well in the stressful situation while recording and commenting)

Those who are interested can follow me on YouTube.
Those who don't care, negative nay-sayers and 1-4 numbers players should stay away.
I try to upload new sessions every 1 to 3 days.

link:s://youtu.be/yfS_7BSFgCg

Sorry for the first session being a bit long, I try to keep the next ones shorter.

Ok always interesting to see how the GUT is played.
You learn a lot when studying how othera play.

I wonder about the advance play. Are you going to put up movies with that as well?
There exists not so much information about the advance play. Which crossings are you playing with the advance play?
- Tuddilue

Quote from: Gutroulett on Sep 23, 12:16 PM 2016

link:s://youtu.be/yfS_7BSFgCg

Sorry for the first session being a bit long, I try to keep the next ones shorter.

As I said before: In that video are several misinterpretations of the strategy. Basic errors are made.

Don´t trust it.

If anyone needs the tracker or the e-book pls contact me. It is a free edition!

But better you go through VLS and RF and copy all my posts. That would be a better e-book than that.

Quote from: tuddilue
Ok always interesting to see how the GUT is played.
You learn a lot when studying how othera play.

I wonder about the advance play. Are you going to put up movies with that as well?
There exists not so much information about the advance play. Which crossings are you playing with the advance play?
- Tuddilue

One thing after the other. If I will succeed in reaching the 1000 units I will think about making a series on my advanced play.

Here is my second Session:

link:s://youtu.be/7IVLPrXudoc

I'm up 169 units so far.

Quote from: winkel on Sep 24, 04:35 AM 2016
As I said before: In that video are several misinterpretations of the strategy. Basic errors are made.

Don´t trust it.

If anyone needs the tracker or the e-book pls contact me. It is a free edition!

But better you go through VLS and RF and copy all my posts. That would be a better e-book than that.

Could you explain what is wrong? That would help alot more. Post some pointers please.

Quote from: winkel on Sep 24, 04:35 AM 2016
As I said before: In that video are several misinterpretations of the strategy. Basic errors are made.

Don´t trust it.

If anyone needs the tracker or the e-book pls contact me. It is a free edition!

But better you go through VLS and RF and copy all my posts. That would be a better e-book than that.

Well said! Winkel's command of English seems like it's improved big time since the days he tried to explain GUT. Why couldn't he construct such clear and concise sentences before instead of blaming English as 2nd language?

Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 24, 06:35 AM 2016
Could you explain what is wrong? That would help alot more. Post some pointers please.

Why do you guys need help from others? Figure it out on your own.

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Sep 25, 08:05 AM 2016
Why do you guys need help from others? Figure it out on your own.

Ken

Yea guys!

Why use the forum to discuss?

You're supposed to not share stuff.

Dont sit around with your hand out. Dont try and BENEFIT off of other peoples hard work.

Figure s**t out on your own.

Ken

The idea is to collect and collate information but to never disseminate  information .

Quote from: Gutroulett on Sep 24, 05:48 AM 2016
Here is my second Session:

link:s://youtu.be/7IVLPrXudoc

I'm up 169 units so far.

Thanks for the video. Looking forward to more!

When watching the video I found some things that I think can be better:

* jump after 2 crossings fails? (I'm thinking about the first movie).
* 13, 25, 37 - checkpoints to be used?
* The rhythm of 0x and 1x. I have heard that you talk a little about that. But I would like more talk about this.
* Betting on crossings. The decision in statistics and just not on the lines in the tracker. Maybe winkel have more information on this...

As always GUT is wonderful, but hard to bet. I think the tracker is good to visual the crossings but we need more to make the bets not just guessing when a crossing comes up..
- Tuddilue

For those that have bought this.

As Winkel has said that the video isn't teaching the right stuff.

If you are following this at the time when i said there was a bug in the tracker the title bar had a version of 1.2 on the title bar.

Now, I will stand corrected if he has sent you all a new version that he/she is using in the video.

The version being used in the video is version 2.0.

I will leave it at that for you all to see, what's happening here.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17212.0


I am sure we still have the copy of the image that was sent out to complain about the bug that I noticed somewhere. That had a  version 1.2 on the title bar.

Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 24, 06:35 AM 2016
Could you explain what is wrong? That would help alot more. Post some pointers please.

Hi folks,

can you understand, that I have no ambitions to edit his e-book? Every correction I would post, he would insert and pimp up his stolen thing.

br
winkel

Gutroulette

I have not allowed that post.

It is of an inflammatory nature, and most certainly wont get through when moderated.

Especially in the first few posts.

Here is my thought

OP seeks to profit off Winkels ideas

No bueno

What OP should have done was named the e-book a different name and said some ideas based on GUT. His own work

When OP got mad when falkor posted a picture i almost spit out my drink

Some internet forum people are too funny

He named it GUT. Thats not cool.

It's just all law of the third nonsense.

Nobody cares.

Quote from: The General on Sep 26, 02:11 PM 2016
It's just all law of the third nonsense.

Nobody cares.

People do care because its a systems forum, not an AP recruiting office.

It would seem no one cares about AP....is more accurate.

You seem to think everyone here is ignoring the Elephant in the room.

There isnt one.


You keep trying though....

Quote from: Turner on Sep 26, 03:18 PM 2016
People do care because its a systems forum, not an AP recruiting office.

It would seem no one cares about AP....is more accurate.

You seem to think everyone here is ignoring the Elephant in the room.

There isnt one.


You keep trying though....

You should be proud. I ignored it this time

But bravo on that response

He gets an A for effort

What he needs to realize is people that want to learn AP will.

No minds will be changed, especially when you are arrogant about it

Some people like playing based on the law of the 3rd. Thats their right and not his business

He tries sooooo hard.

I still have not been made aware of the roulette red cross

He ruffles feathers everywhere

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 26, 01:32 PM 2016OP seeks to profit off Winkels ideas

He named it GUT. Thats not cool.

Yep, not cool  :thumbsup:  8)

Imitation is the best form of flattery.  Winkel, maybe you should think about teaming up with OP on the ebook.  There would definitely be a demand for an easy to read quid on how to use GUT. 

So, guys,
is it worth buying the ebook G.U.T?

Who did read it?

Hi Bigbroben, I didn't buy the Great Universal Theory Book, the tracker, -I think - will be very useful meeting the needs of his purpose.
but I've studied the Winkel's strategy on forums ( Nottophammer help me a lot, thanks Mr.Notto!! ) and practice in real and online roulettes.
If Mr.Winkel could write a book ( I suggested title .."Definitive Winkel's Strategy ") :-))  with 2 sections KTF and WTF.. should be amazing I would bought it for sure!  ;) :smile:

bye

Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 01, 08:21 PM 2018
So, guys,
is it worth buying the ebook G.U.T?

Who did read it?

I studied GUT extensively for two years. Have studied the book as well. Nothing special in  that book. He tried to arrange everything in one place. Thats all.