Screenshot from Spintec electronic roulette for analyse. I will put screenshots from different electronic roulette machines from time to time.
So 200 spins...
Thanks MJ!
Another one from Spintec.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 31, 03:41 AM 2016
Another one from Spintec.
Good stuff MJ, the problem I have encountered with RNG is that while you just record spins you might have won, but when you actually bet, the numbers have a habit of being different to all your efforts. Whether this is due to cheating on the part of the software or just coincidence is hard to really pin point.
Many systems work extremely well with numbers from random.org, but try it on a RNG casino and it is a big fail. I did this with a system that easily passed 10,000,000 spins from random.org with hardly a downward blip, but as soon as I tried it on RNG it failed big time after a few initial winning runs similar to the random.org results.
It seems that sometimes RNG is just not that random when money is on the line.
Thanks for reply. I think some people must understand that roulette Live or Electronic machine is real random number generator RNG, only computer generated numbers software animation of wheel and ball is not RNG. Real wheel and ball must be present to have chaotic system and law of the third, it is all what I need to beat any wheel. I made this screenshots to show Steve that numbers on rouletteplayers.org are totally different from real spins.
I totally agree .... if it's a real wheel and ball (airball, live ) then it's a real rng.
About the spins here on org...no idea. The only thing I've noticed is a certain number repeats a lot. But that could just be luck or so...
Btw MJ...care to elaborate how you play?
Or some tips maybe ?
Denz
I just trying to decode numbers on roulette step by step, and will explain on second screenshot how I play.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 02, 06:13 AM 2016
I just trying to decode numbers on roulette step by step, and will explain on second screenshot how I play.
Very much appreciated
Ok denzie chose one number from last 20? I will try to explain how to play.
As in last 20 numbers on your last screenshot?
--> 12 <--
So I approach to roulette table and number 12 hit. After 12 I always put 1$ on number 10, and here Iose, because 35 hit. I rebet 10 and add number 31 because I always play 31 after 35, lost again, after 32 rebet add 25, lost again 32, rebet add 30, lost again, 21, rebet add 18, now it is 10,31,25,30,18 so here it is 25 hit :)
:o ??
After observing several thousand real roulette spins apply to Chaos Theory after 32 number 25 will hit most of time, like 12=10, 35=31, 21=18. When you know this you will know what is hg, try to think a little bit about this.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 07:51 AM 2016After observing several thousand real roulette spins apply to Chaos Theory after 32 number 25 will hit most of time, like 12=10, 35=31, 21=18. When you know this you will know what is hg, try to think a little bit about this.
No, it won't.
I'm trying....but I think after let's say...12....each number has the same possibility to hit .....
You tested this on the same wheel or different wheels ?
So each number has a following number for you ?
Quote from: The General on Jun 09, 08:26 AM 2016
No, it won't.
Sure it will, if you add law of the third together. O0
On different wheels.
Good point denzie. :thumbsup:
Can you tell me how you apply the chaos theory vs law of the third?
At this point still not understand it.
Or we can do a session if you want.
Many sessions in my reach.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 30, 04:51 AM 2016
Screenshot from Spintec electronic roulette for analyse. I will put screenshots from different electronic roulette machines from time to time.
What's the point?
Looks like mumbo jumbo to me.
Ok denzie go to casino with real wheel live or electronic, write down last 20 numbers and tell me the first number ( not the last number, the first number)
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 07:51 AM 2016spins apply to Chaos Theory
What do you mean by spins apply to chaos theory. Can you explain in detail
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 09:06 AM 2016
Ok denzie go to casino with real wheel live or electronic, write down last 20 numbers and tell me the first number ( not the last number, the first number)
I've got many sessions. ... here we go
9
1$ on 7
13 (-1$)
Rebet
7,15
18 (-3$)
7,15,21
29 (-6$)
7,15,21,28
16 (-10$)
7,15,21,28,19
11 (-15$)
7,15,21,28,19,8
30 (-21$)
7,15,21,28,19,8,33
this is crazy. lol :) and it covers all trending the topics on homepage so i can't follow them... :P
34 (-28$)
7,15,21,28,19,8,33,36
20 (-36$)
7,15,21,28,19,8,33,36,14
14 (-9$)
7,15,21,28,19,8,33,36,14,17
26 (-19$)
7,15,21,28,19,8,33,36,14,17,27
29 (-30$)
7,15,21,28,19,8,33,36,17,27,25
19 ( -5$)
7,15,21,28,19,8,33,36,17,27,25,23
35 (-17$)
7,15,21,28,8,33,36,17,27,25,23,31
35 (-29$)
7,15,21,28,8,33,36,17,27,25,23,31,5
16 (-42$)
7,15,21,28,8,33,36,17,27,25,23,31,5,22
8 (-20$)
This is a nice demonstration of the HE guys :thumbsup:
Wait till you see the end :love:
Quote from: denzie on Jun 09, 11:44 AM 2016
Wait till you see the end :love:
Is that coming sooner than we think?
7,15,21,28,33,36,17,27,25,23,31,5,22,6
36 (+2$)
Ok denzie, if this was my real game at +2 I will start session again because it is risky, if I in +30 I will continue. The numbers left is 0,1,2,3,4,24
DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE, TO SEE WHAT WILL HAPPENED?
I was wondering what you would do....Coz I think mostly you get easier sessions.
But sure let's continue till you say stop...and take the profit or loss...
7,15,21,28,33,17,27,25,23,31,5,22,6,1
27 (+24$) :thumbsup:
7,15,21,28,33,17,25,23,31,5,22,6,1,24
24 (+46$) :thumbsup:
7,15,21,28,33,17,25,23,31,5,22,6,1,0
36 (+32$)
7,15,21,28,33,17,25,23,31,5,22,6,1,0,3
21 (+53$)
7,15,28,33,17,25,23,31,5,22,6,1,0,3,2
18 (+38$)
I'm starting to see what's going on here...
been analysing very carefully :)
Ok denzie, end of session.
Chaos Theory and Law of the third says there is no numbers left to continue. Next starting point will be from number 18=21
At beginnig I forgot to remove num 14 few times and 19 once I think, to not be confused, every number must be removed after hit. I hope some serious gamblers will read here what I and denzie just demonstrate, just go through all this topic.
BIG THANKS TO DENZIE ;)
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 01:55 PM 2016
Ok denzie, end of session.
Chaos Theory and Law of the third says there is no numbers left to continue. Next starting point will be from number 18=21
At beginnig I forgot to remove num 14 few times and 19 once I think, to not be confused, every number must be removed after hit. I hope some serious gamblers will read here what I and denzie just demonstrate, just go through all this topic.
BIG THANKS TO DENZIE ;)
Lol...that was my first question. ...why you kept 14 twice and 19 once....thx for clearing that up :thumbsup:
All thx goes to you
But seriously though....I'm understand it about 95%. The other 5% ....why did you choose those numbers after each spun number...
8->6
9->7
11->8
13->15
Etc....could these be random picked?
And why on a repeat you choose another number ?
Oooh btw...just for info...
26-3-22-17-8-5-16-0.....they came after our last bet :thumbsup:
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 07:51 AM 2016
After observing several thousand real roulette spins apply to Chaos Theory after 32 number 25 will hit most of time, like 12=10, 35=31, 21=18. When you know this you will know what is hg, try to think a little bit about this.
Mumbo, calm down and answer a few questions.
25 does not hit after 32 most of the time does it? it hits 1/37 x 1/37 which on average is every 1369 spins.
And in that time, 32 could be followed by lots of other numbers with the same maths.
Its maths.
Ive explained why it doesnt. I havnt just said "it doesnt" like Caleb
Will you explain why it does?
Thats fair I think
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some results from 1 million RND no.s using this test = IF(AND(A3= 32,A4= 25),1,"")
note: 25 will follow 32 ( any no. will follow any other) 730 times on av in 1 Million spins
1M rnd Average actual
730.46 671
730.46 793
730.46 746
730.46 735
Quote from: denzie on Jun 09, 02:03 PM 2016
Lol...that was my first question. ...why you kept 14 twice and 19 once....thx for clearing that up :thumbsup:
All thx goes to you
But seriously though....I'm understand it about 95%. The other 5% ....why did you choose those numbers after each spun number...
8->6
9->7
11->8
13->15
Etc....could these be random picked?
And why on a repeat you choose another number ?
Oooh btw...just for info...
26-3-22-17-8-5-16-0.....they came after our last bet :thumbsup:
I already gave you the answer, because observing several thousands real roulette spins after 9 number 7 will hit more then usual it is part of chaos, the same is for other numbers.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 09, 02:10 PM 2016
Mumbo, calm down and answer a few questions.
25 does not hit after 32 most of the time does it? it hits 1/37 x 1/37 which on average is every 1369 spins.
And in that time, 32 could be followed by lots of other numbers with the same maths.
Its maths.
Ive explained why it doesnt. I havnt just said "it doesnt" like Caleb
Will you explain why it does?
Thats fair I think
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some results from 1 million RND no.s using this test = IF(AND(A3= 32,A4= 25),1,"")
note: 25 will follow 32 ( any no. will follow any other) 730 times on av in 1 Million spins
1M rnd Average actual
730.46 671
730.46 793
730.46 746
730.46 735
It is illusions created by nature to fool the mind and nobody can outperform randomness.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 03:31 PM 2016
It is illusions created by nature to fool the mind and nobody can outperform randomness.
oh dear. Thats very dissapointing and not an answer
Why does 25 follow 32. Ive explained.....can you?
BTW
Here is 32 followed by 1
1M rnd no. Average actual
730.46 718
Only one can give us the answer, a creator him self. GOD I think. :)
Let's forget about those followers for a minute (b4 you get the whole math club chasing you )..... ;D
We could easily pick any random number to follow right? It just need to be a unique/unhit ?
Correct me if I'm wrong pls
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 03:43 PM 2016
Only one can give us the answer, a creator him self. GOD I think. :)
Ok, its an answer I guess.
25 follows 32 more often on a roulette wheel because of God, or some kind of creator
Thanks for the reply :thumbsup:
No random numbers denzie, you are wrong.
Turner sorry for disappoint you :(
Alright...thx for your time today :thumbsup:
whenever your bored let me know. ..we'll do another session :)
Denz
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 09, 03:59 PM 2016Turner sorry for disappoint you
No problem mate. I wasnt looking for an alternative answer to the truth.
I will leave you with it and best of luck
Interesting thread MumboJumbo, Roulette Gods seems to work in mysterious ways. :xd:
Another one.
So you trying the say the numbers from the wheel here aren't ok?
Wrong again denzie.
Roulette numbers is everywhere the same on any wheel in the world.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 02, 03:05 AM 2016I made this screenshots to show Steve that numbers on rouletteplayers.org are totally different from real spins.
Uhm ok
Saw your message, I was in Hungary for few days without internet. What do you think about new topic "MumboJumbo & denzie playing holy grail" ?
Sure :thumbsup:
QuoteWhy does 25 follow 32. Ive explained.....can you?
Yes, randomness.
I have one of the largest archives in the world of live spins from live wheels and electronic airball machines. If you want to see how certain numbers follow other numbers, I can handily demonstrate the statistical relevance of it and graph it for you. However, in the end you'll find that it's mostly random.
general can you please attach 1000 spins from air ball roulette if you have them..thanks
Here ya go. Here's a recent file of 13k spins. All from the same wheel. All spins are left handed. Each day is consecutive spins. Data breaks have an "X" to the left. Dates are also on the left.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 14, 09:47 AM 2016
Sure :thumbsup:
If I ask you for 50 numbers do you have data about casino and type of roulette where is numbers taken? Because I want to know in which casino I just playing.
thank you
QuoteWhy does 25 follow 32. Ive explained.....can you?
In any given sample, there will always be one number that hits more than the others after a specific number has hit. However, the best number will bob up and down and will gradually change over and over to other numbers as the spin sample grows. In short, there's nothing statistically relevant to be found.
Note on the data: There were 13,208 spins. There were 345 times when we were able to see exactly which number hit after the number 32 had hit out of the 13,208 spins. The graph represents a standard deviation graph of the 345 numbers that immediately hit after the number 32 has hit.
I have the wheel signature graphs as well if you'd like to see them.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 14, 11:56 AM 2016
If I ask you for 50 numbers do you have data about casino and type of roulette where is numbers taken? Because I want to know in which casino I just playing.
My data is from immersive roulette or the airball tables or wiesbaden or other online sites.... which you prefer ?
Everything is good if number is made with real wheel and ball.
Ok , we will use immersive roulette spins cw ccw. That's as real as it can get.
How you wanna do this ? Same before or....
(Maybe it's irritating for members) :twisted:
Same like before, I am roulette player you are roulette wheel. I playing in your casino, only you know the numbers. We can made test once a week so anyone can watch.
Alright. ...here we go
16
(Btw your way of catching the unhits is :thumbsup: )
Not today denzie, this will be announce in new topic, "MumboJumbo & denzie playing holy grail" on next sunday at 11,00 AM server time. :) Everyone is invited.
Alright I'll be here with the spins.
HG is a strong use of words though ;D
But I've been trying to play those uniques same way you showed me...this could open some eyes as it did with mine :thumbsup:
(I just picked random numbers coz I don't know your full following up list)
Quote from: The General on Jun 14, 04:25 PM 2016
In any given sample, there will always be one number that hits more than the others after a specific number has hit. However, the best number will bob up and down and will gradually change over and over to other numbers as the spin sample grows. In short, there's nothing statistically relevant to be found.
Note on the data: There were 13,208 spins. There were 345 times when we were able to see exactly which number hit after the number 32 had hit out of the 13,208 spins. The graph represents a standard deviation graph of the 345 numbers that immediately hit after the number 32 has hit.
I have the wheel signature graphs as well if you'd like to see them.
With all these records of spins, would you agree with Luck of the Irish who simulated 500,000 37 spin cycle sets that 24#'s is average for 37 spins
Another one.
Nice....now post all the others that doesn't work ;)
Some day you will be like a pro. :thumbsup:
Who knows. Wouldn't bother me .lol.
Seriously though. .... your name fits you well.
Spintec
Mumbo
can you put up one a day, #31 whether it would pay?
I can't because I live 30km far from the city where this type of electronic roulette is, so I am not often in this casino.
same reason, easier to play on FOBT's,with minimum unit so not to get to there maximum bet off £100
Mumbo,
What are you testing for?
I have thousands and thousands of machine spins if that's what you need. Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
If so I can provide you with some short cuts for your data research.
Just trying to be helpful.
Mumbo,
What are you testing for?
I have thousands and thousands of machine spins if that's what you need. Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
If so I can provide you with some short cuts for your data research.
Just trying to be helpful.
Quote from: The General on Oct 03, 12:13 PM 2016
Mumbo,
What are you testing for?
Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
Yes, because in any roulette wheel I believe that chaos is same, so one number must hit after specific number in most cases. No need for your data thanks.
Quote from: The General on Oct 03, 12:13 PM 2016
Mumbo,
What are you testing for?
I have thousands and thousands of machine spins if that's what you need. Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
If so I can provide you with some short cuts for your data research.
Just trying to be helpful.
General sir, do,do,do you stutter, two posts the same,same,same, same,
Mumbo,
I can handily simulate, and have in the past, exactly what you're testing and provide you with some results if you'd like.
However, I doubt that you're going to like the results.
Regardless, here are some pointers to help you out:
1. Don't assume that one number will tend to follow another number on all wheels. There is no universal pocket yardage for roulette wheels. Every wheel is different and has it's own nuances and biases.
2. In Microsoft Excel you can use the sort filter function on large streams of numbers to quickly group numbers that hit after other numbers.
3. Don't test by hand, you're too likely to make mistakes. It's goofy and weird. You can't test enough spins this way. You're also very likely to unintentionally curve fit your test results.
4. By using a dealer's signature spreadsheet, you can easily plot the yardage in pockets that show how far the ball hits from the last number to have hit.
5. The number following number fallacy is common. Numerous gambler's believe in it. It stems from conspiracies and paranoia, but there is a root of viability to it related to wheel biases and dealer's signature. Basically biased numbers do tend to clump a little bit when playing conditions are optimal. Consequently the biased numbers will appear to follow each other more frequently than normal. This appearance is really just the result of the numbers hitting frequently, not becuase they are "due" to hit in any specific order. It makes more sense to track for bias, than it does to try and exploit the number following number fallacy.\
6. Yes, it's a machine and they do some interesting things. Rather than track just the numbers, track the number that the ball first impacts before bouncing each spin. Then graph this data. If the wheel is following any pattern, then you're going to find it more quickly by stripping away the randomness of a ball bouncing around. If you really want to get fancy, then graph the number that is below a specific ball deflector at the end of each spin. This will enable you to reduce the size of your testing sample even further by stripping away even more randomness.
7. Plotting the distance in pockets of the worst sections in relation to the best sections is interesting on some machines.
8. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Feel free to ask questions.
-The General
General
there that was not hard, a nice informative post.
I'll give you a thumbs up
Quote from: The General on Oct 03, 01:50 PM 2016
However, I doubt that you're going to like the results.
Regardless, here are some pointers to help you out:
8. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Feel free to ask questions.
-The General
Thanks General.
I just testing a similar system with numbers like I do with my friend Denzie but with a little differences and it works fine for now, it give me a better results then before. Even Denzie can doit now it is more easy, but need to testing for a while :)
Here's some advice that most people won't like, and it's not politically correct:
If you're going to try and beat roulette, don't try to win just a little. Shoot for the chandeliers. Learn how to really win and go for the throat! Think bigger.
If you have a winning method, then the more spins you play, the more you should win. If you're goal is to win just a few units a day, then the method being used is a waste of time.
If you want to put your ideas on steroids and take them to the next level, then let me know.
Best of luck,
The General
Quote from: The General on Oct 03, 03:17 PM 2016
If you're goal is to win just a few units a day, then the method being used is a waste of time.
The General
So now you speak for people?
Some people may be content with a couple of units
Which by the way that unit size could be anything
Ghost,
I'm sorry, but just a few units a day is nothing. If you have a decent winning method, then your goal should be hundred(s) of units, or even thousands per day. The more spins you play, the more you should win.
If you're win goal is just a few units per day, then you're method doesn't really work. (It's just randomness.)
Sorry, just the facts. If you want to discuss it further, then you'll find me on gambling forums . com .
-The General
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 03, 09:17 PM 2016
Right
Don't you have some self fulfilling, condescending, chest pounding situation you can go get involved with in real life.
Goodnight
RG if Gen is that good at roulette invite him over to show you how to do it, short sharp lesson, then when you let the forum know, he was right, you could then show us.
But he wont show,will he.
Quote from: The General on Oct 03, 03:17 PM 2016
If you're going to try and beat roulette, don't try to win just a little. Shoot for the chandeliers. Learn how to really win and go for the throat! Think bigger.
If you want to put your ideas on steroids and take them to the next level, then let me know.
To win big I can also lose big, is it worth to risk that much? What about feeling to always walk away from casino like a winner?
QuoteTo win big I can also lose big, is it worth to risk that much? What about feeling to always walk away from casino like a winner?
A unit can be any denomination. My point is, if a system/method can only muster a few units each day, then the system/method likely isn't working. A working method should yield far more.
1. When you have a working method/system, again, the more you play, the more you should win.
2.
If your method/system works, then you should stop playing accountant. Stop thinking in terms of "one session" and consider all sessions within a month combined as one on going session. (Yes, you still need to keep records.) Your goal though is to play for as long as possible
as long as the playing conditions are good. Focus on the game, not the accounting. A losing session is irrelevant. It's no different than a losing spin in the big picture.
3.
HOWEVER.. If you're relying on variance to win, then you need to quickly realize that
you're just gambling! You are relying on luck to win and you should
quit whenever you can get ahead (Follow John Patrick's advice.)
Quote from: The General on Oct 04, 01:00 PM 2016
1. When you have a working method/system, again, the more you play, the more you should win.
Can you help me please.
What to bet here?
If you know something you should share with us, share your knowlidge. Let say I have 500$ start bankroll at this point, what will be your bet here?
Thanks. MumboJumbo was here ;)
Mumbo,
I'm sorry that I missed your post. I sent you a PM.
Thanks General for your pm.
I have different view for roulette because what I looking for is system that anyone can use on any wheel in the world. My friends here know what I working on and that I want to share this knowlidge with them, take a look at this picture it is not joke or setup it was my real game, what do you think? It seems that chaos is always present on roulette wheel.
RG
You suggested ignoring not me
I deleted needless posts. Keep on topic
Or start a post in the unmoderated section where it doesnt ruin posts.
Some posts got deleted that had deleted posts quoted.
Nothing gets deleted in the unmoderated section. Go vent there....even if you quote from here.
100 spins spintec electronic roulette.
Hi,
I have a lot of pictures from roulette Spintec too if you want I can share.
Bye bye
Gitano
Quote from: Gitano on Sep 26, 04:14 PM 2018
Hi,
I have a lot of pictures from roulette Spintec too if you want I can share.
Bye bye
Gitano
Gitano paste some of the pictures, we can see if this machine gives the Strange info called LOTT that countback can show as well.
We won't be disturbed by Steve & General as LOTT dont exist to them only the 1/37, but we might get some replies that could be anyone of their AKA's
Gitano and anyone who trust LOTT; with the TROT being shown by countback
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 30, 02:10 PM 2018
Gitano paste some of the pictures, we can see if this machine gives the Strange info called LOTT that countback can show as well.
We won't be disturbed by Steve & General as LOTT dont exist to them only the 1/37, but we might get some replies that could be anyone of their AKA's
The law of the third demonstrates the distribution of randomness. Good grief! LOL!!!
Think of it like this...
In craps, the seven hits the most because there are more ways for the seven to hit.
In roulette, over 38 spins, there are more ways for some numbers to have hit two times, three times, maybe fives, or not at all, than there are for all numbers to have hit exactly once. Understand??Unfortunately there's absolutely no way to exploit the normal random distribution in the random game because it's RANDOM, and the payout is set for a 36 pocket wheel, not a 37 or 38 pocket wheel. This is why I'm always shaking my head when the cough... cough... forum members plot their distributions. Their distributions are showing that the wheel has toooo many pockets. LOL!!!
Gitano these 1st 10 spins are from your sheet.
We see its 10/10, so mark the expected 15 non-hit over spins 11-40, so here we see countback shows distribution,5,5,5
If any have looked at the non-hit time table, the general's #'s, live and German live spins from the real spin section, that both give 15 point something for spins 11-40; so i round down to 15 a convient 50/50 for non-hit over 30 spins, so the other 15 must be "NO" repeats, what ever next.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/30/source1b521.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tk9hl)
Wow the idiot general watching
General still here.
Now if you’ve bothered to look at the time table, you could see the average to hit and of course the max to hit.
Well I’ll tell you, up to the 19th non-hit they have an average of 2 spins, the max you’ll have to look up, can’t do everything for you lot.
Now remember the Generals mate, think not, Winkel, what does he reference at spin 13, you’d know this reference if you bothered to read GUT, a brilliant method, who cares what Kon-fused found if you bet every crossing, I’d never be betting those amount of crossing and Winkel made a suggestion to overcome that lost crossing.
So that reference is 2 repeats could have appeared by spin 13.
Well what would you do here, idiot will say curve fitting, well listen to him if you want.
What is countback showing, showing 11th non-hit is late
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/30/source1f037.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tkWQa)
Gitano +10 spin 28
So this is fast for non-hit. Now I’d be just watching, I know what I’d bet for, but you see if you could win by betting for the non-hit or even repeats. General will only say I’m curve fitting.
Okay LOTT says could see 24 non-hit on average, countback shows 24 non-hit by spins 37/38; look how far in front the non-hit are; what is going to happen, oh yeah 1 pocket too many, it’s 1/37; yeah if you like.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/30/source3834c.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tkxmF)
Got to get the next lot of #'s
So Gitano this sheet showing the #’s shows the machine gave 25#’s one more than the expected at spins37/38, so in GUT; Winkel showed different results for different days on different equipment and I believe he said as long as LOTT is showing then it is fair.
The countback, is spot on with 25, so 15 non-hit and 15 repeats.
Have you looked how many non-hits can appear by spin 60?
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/30/sourcee42f2.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tkMvi)
I should write a book
Here you see the checkpoints for the Generals starburst #’s, showing each 10 spins and there average
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Now Random.org
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And you see 29 non-hit came for those 1/37 spins and just 1 pocket too many.
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Where’s Muttley, oh yeah he’s off to the KFC,
now 1 hidden has joined should be good for Bla Bla
Quote from: The General on Sep 30, 02:26 PM 2018
The law of the third demonstrates the distribution of randomness. Good grief! LOL!!!
Think of it like this...
In craps, the seven hits the most because there are more ways for the seven to hit.
In roulette, over 38 spins, there are more ways for some numbers to have hit two times, three times, maybe fives, or not at all, than there are for all numbers to have hit exactly once. Understand??
Thats perfectly put Caleb. It does nothing more than present the distribution that has the most ways to show more often than ways that have less ways to show.....commonly know as "on average"
and....24 hit, 13 unhit (European wheel) is the 7 in craps. This is the one combination that has the most ways to hit.
This is the basis of the 2nd law of thermo dynamics, or entropy. An egg falling off a table and breaking has so many more ways to go than re assembling back onto the table. Thats the only reason it doesnt. Probability. Thats the arrow of time.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 03:56 PM 2018This is the basis of the 2nd law of thermo dynamics, or entropy. An egg falling off a table and breaking has so many more ways to go than re assembling back onto the table. Thats the only reason it doesnt. Probability. Thats the arrow of time.
Hey Turner, this doesn't seem quite right to me. I can imagine it could happen that all 37 numbers hit in a cycle, given enough cycles, but I can't see how an egg falling off a table could somehow by "chance" re-assemble itself back onto the table. It seems to me that there's more to this not happening than just probability. :o
Quote from: Joe on Sep 30, 04:13 PM 2018
Hey Turner, this doesn't seem quite right to me. I can imagine it could happen that all 37 numbers hit in a cycle, given enough cycles, but I can't see how an egg falling off a table could somehow by "chance" re-assemble itself back onto the table. It seems to me that there's more to this not happening than just probability. :o
Its true...
Get a black coffee and stir. add milk slowly.
You see the milk for a few seconds them the milk goes to one of the zillion ways it can mix, one of which is the milk staying separated.
If you wait zillions of years, you may see the milk seperate out (hypothetically)
or.....there is no reason why all the molecules of air in the room you are sat in could be in one corner of the room apart from the gazillion other ways it could be there.
There are simply more ways for 24/13 over a cycle to show than other combinations.
There are simply more 7s to be had with 2 dice. Thats why you see more 7s
Thats why you see 24/13
Thats why coffee goes light brown
Thats why you arnt choking to death in your room
Dont forget, compared to milk molecules in coffee, combinations of 37 numbers in 37 is minute
You will see 23/14 or 21/16 or 26/11 often enough but as small as it is compared to coffee molecules, its big enough to never see 27/0 or no.6 hit 37 times.
It doesn't matter what you'll probably never see. There's a lot you'll probably never see. What matters is probability vs payout.
It's still not being understood.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 30, 05:28 PM 2018There's a lot you'll probably never see
and dont have to worry about...leaving your hands free to focus on what will definitely happen
Gitano
Spin 21, +32
Now old LOTT say’s we can see 24 non-hit, in the 37spins, but because we believe what Notto shows with the averages from 4 sets of data, one set being from the expert on roulette, at this time known as the General. With Notto’s 15 non-hits in spins 11-40, we place countback, that shows the phenomenon; the TROT; we see countback says we should see 21, non-hits by spin 37/38; not the 24 that the LOTT says. Which will be right?
At 60; 28 came, close to the 29
What we know is that as the non-hit, decrease, the profits go up, nice that
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Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 06:33 PM 2018
and dont have to worry about...leaving your hands free to focus on what will definitely happen
No it doesn't work like that. Still not being understood.
Quote from: The General on Sep 30, 02:26 PM 2018Unfortunately there's absolutely no way to exploit the normal random distribution in the random game because it's RANDOM,
Very insightful. ::)
Random doesn't mean unpredictable at all resolutions. So at what resolution does it become unpredictable? There is no sharp dividing line. And I think most people do understand that there are one too many pockets and the payout is short, but it's not so short that AP can't win is it? System players are just trying to overcome it like the AP, but in a different way. It doesn't mean they are stupid because they don't focus on the physics as
the way to beat it.
QuoteRandom doesn't mean unpredictable at all resolutions. So at what resolution does it become unpredictable? There is no sharp dividing line. And I think most people do understand that there are one too many pockets and the payout is short, but it's not so short that AP can't win is it? System players are just trying to overcome it like the AP, but in a different way. It doesn't mean they are stupid because they don't focus on the physics as the way to beat it.
good one....AP is that good that they bet 1 number and 6 to 7 numbers either side of that number...lol
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Oct 01, 03:34 AM 2018
There are much simpler ways and with much more mathematical sense that is inevitable for the game (pigeon-house principle).
When the pidgeons fill some of the pockets with high entropic material ? (how is it called ?)
Perhaps AP isn't the only way of changing odds. But you can't change odds with things like repeaters and ktf. Why has been explained many times. And still people are testing short term with no idea, because they still say rubbish like they'll never play 1m spins so only need to test short term.
QuoteWhen the pidgeons fill some of the pockets with high entropic material ? (how is it called ?)
i guess is called pigeon with diarrhoea
QuotePerhaps
perhaps
Quote from: Steve on Oct 01, 04:31 AM 2018
change odds
Is there a difference in the meaning of odds and mathematical definition of probability ?
Or is it the same ?
TNX
Quote from: maestro on Oct 01, 04:32 AM 2018
i guess is called pigeon with diarrhoea
maestro I see you are a master of pigeonholes too :xd:
Quote from: Herby on Oct 01, 04:44 AM 2018Is there a difference in the meaning of odds and mathematical definition of probability ?
The odds (in favor) of an event or a proposition is
the ratio of the probability that the event will happen to the probability that the event will not happen.
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Downloaded 559 times plus me now 560. Not much done on these spins.
Seems like Gitano's 2 years later.
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+80 spin 32
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+12 spin 28
Thanks Mumbo
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+28 spin 22
So the 36*1,5,25 plus more than 100 units