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Title: Runs & Gaps
Post by: Bayes on Jun 10, 05:00 AM 2016
New article: Runs & Gaps (link:://:.roulettician.com/articles/article6.html)
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: NextYear on Jun 10, 10:57 AM 2016
Thanks!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: maestro on Jun 12, 03:26 AM 2016
this one is great info...thank you very much....i think more people should read your writings..thanks again
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 04:41 AM 2016
agreed good reading but i'm past learning stage, it just lookkkkks so hard with all those formulas.
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: Bayes on Jun 12, 05:32 AM 2016
Thanks maestro.

@ notto,

Quoteit just lookkkkks so hard with all those formulas

I realize a lot of people get "mind glaze" with formulas, that's why I've included calculators and will include them in future articles, but a calculator on a web site is no good to someone who wants to get their own answers in a spreadsheet or program of their own.

Anyway, I'm taking a break from articles for a while. I'm setting up a youtube account and will add some vids of the way I play and some software demos.
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 05:55 AM 2016
Thanks for you efforts Bayes, for me its just i made the mistake of not being in school and once you miss the beginning it would need a great effort to catch up.
I could use a tape measure, i can see what the foreman was doing, so laying bricks and roof tiles was not beyond my learnings.
As an apprentice i was there at the beginning so it was not hard.
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: NextYear on Jun 12, 06:43 AM 2016
Quote from: Bayes on Jun 12, 05:32 AM 2016I'm setting up a youtube account and will add some vids of the way I play and some software demos

Can't wait to see how you are fighting this unequal game!
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: Herby on May 19, 01:20 PM 2018
Quote from: Bayes on Jun 10, 05:00 AM 2016New article: Runs & Gaps

Bayes site is down, does anyone know what happend to Bayes ?
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: ego on May 19, 02:51 PM 2018
Yes and No - something has happened to Bayes/Jules - maybe an accident or something really bad.
The reason I know this is we had a deal going on with several people involved.

He was going for a weekend vacation or was it one week, don't remember exactly.
After this trip, he was going to contact me among others about our deal.

He just vanishes and no one hears from him again, so clearly something has happened.
I trust him and know he had a good personality.

I think I save the article into PDF if someone wants a copy.

Cheers
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: Blood Angel on May 19, 04:16 PM 2018
Quote from: ego on May 19, 02:51 PM 2018
Yes and No - something has happened to Bayes/Jules - maybe an accident or something really bad.
The reason I know this is we had a deal going on with several people involved.

He was going for a weekend vacation or was it one week, don't remember exactly.
After this trip, he was going to contact me among others about our deal.

He just vanishes and no one hears from him again, so clearly something has happened.
I trust him and know he had a good personality.

I think I save the article into PDF if someone wants a copy.

Cheers

Oh no thats bad to hear. I had many good email conversations with Jules...
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: ego on May 20, 06:49 AM 2018

Here are the two files I save from Bayes/Jules.
See attach files ...

Cheers
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: ego on May 20, 10:39 AM 2018

I should add something to this discussion about the run of gaps.
Nothing is what you expect it to be with true variance and fluctuation.
This is why there is a good idea measuring the length of runs to get current true values that make a huge difference when betting.

For example, if you measuring one single number you might discover it hits fifty percent within sixteen attempts.
So when you measuring numbers or even money bets you will find that the odds are not exactly the same they should be in the short term.

So there is a good idea to measuring the current median value and Apache show this methodology very wheel with his Skip/Streak Method.
If someone wants a copay I can attach the file.

Is a very good insight of that results does not behave as we expect them to do during the short term when we are actively playing.
This is one reason why I save Bayes/Jules file about Randomness.

Cheers
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: 6th-sense on May 20, 12:10 PM 2018
I’d be interested in that file Ego ....👍
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: ego on May 20, 12:27 PM 2018
 I will just add a note to this way measuring the median value in a different way than numbers.
First, you can pick any spread of numbers/sectors and measure the way described in the document.

Now assume I would only be interested in singles and series of two using EC and the length they strike.
The two most common events versus higher series.

Then I might find a middle value that is the cut point where there is a 50/50 situation.
This information would be good for two reasons depending on what way someone would be betting.

One would be to ride the bias sequence and the other to catch two in a row with higher series.
And this is a perfect way to use with other methods.

Cheers
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: wiggy on May 21, 10:39 AM 2018
This skips and streaks idea is the only thing that really makes any common sense IMO if you are going to attack the random game of roulette. Regardless of what anybody says about the LOTT, numbers that were cold are going to become hot! I seem to remember Bayes saying that he successfully used strategies revolving around the 'return to mean'. Turbo has spoken about cold numbers turning hot as well......so not two bad judges as far as roulette goes. You really can't nail anything down with a random approach like saying the 3rd hit is coming on spin 25 and the 4th on spin 42, the random game will make you look like an idiot. At times you will get the 5th and 6th hit come before spin 25 and at other times, you won't even get the 3rd hit by the end of 37 spins. The good thing I suppose in looking for a short concentration of above average hits is that you won't be using any suicidal progressions when successful.
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: ego on May 21, 11:48 AM 2018
Quote from: wiggy on May 21, 10:39 AM 2018
This skips and streaks idea is the only thing that really makes any common sense IMO if you are going to attack the random game of roulette. Regardless of what anybody says about the LOTT, numbers that were cold are going to become hot! I seem to remember Bayes saying that he successfully used strategies revolving around the 'return to mean'. Turbo has spoken about cold numbers turning hot as well......so not two bad judges as far as roulette goes. You really can't nail anything down with a random approach like saying the 3rd hit is coming on spin 25 and the 4th on spin 42, the random game will make you look like an idiot. At times you will get the 5th and 6th hit come before spin 25 and at other times, you won't even get the 3rd hit by the end of 37 spins. The good thing I suppose in looking for a short concentration of above average hits is that you won't be using any suicidal progressions when successful.

Wiggy I made great discoveries upon measuring the random bits using skip/streak methodology by Apache.
For example, I know that one series of three or higher happens 50% of times before two singles show or the other way around, I know two singles show 50% of times before a series of three or higher show.
I could never come to that conclusion just observing EC and play random bits without notice these phenomena measuring the median value.

This is only one conclusion among others and each discovery has his own purpose and solution.
The one I mentioned above can take advantage of Brett Mortons 22 number selection winning two in a row.

This means I don't fully understand your point of view when the methodology shows the true variance in short-term and you can take advantage of that using signals or triggers. That compared to common cycles with true odds. Where the difference is the actually hits in the real world versus the probability of large numbers wish not kick in until a very large amount of numbers collected.

Cheers
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: wiggy on May 21, 12:10 PM 2018
Thank you for posting some of your findings Ego! That gives me something good to look into! I was just running 10 cycles of 37 spins to get an idea for myself regarding how these skips and streaks pan out.
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: wiggy on May 21, 03:33 PM 2018
So I converted the first 5 cycles into their own smaller charts to checkout the appearances. The 32 stands out as quiet with only 1 hit in the first 4 cycles and then wakes up for 4 appearances in the 5th cycle.

Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: Ricky on May 21, 05:18 PM 2018
Quote from: ego on May 20, 12:27 PM 2018
I will just add a note to this way measuring the median value in a different way than numbers.
First, you can pick any spread of numbers/sectors and measure the way described in the document.

Now assume I would only be interested in singles and series of two using EC and the length they strike.
The two most common events versus higher series.

Then I might find a middle value that is the cut point where there is a 50/50 situation.
This information would be good for two reasons depending on what way someone would be betting.

One would be to ride the bias sequence and the other to catch two in a row with higher series.
And this is a perfect way to use with other methods.

Cheers
Hi Ego,
thanks for sharing and I agree we can use this method to determine the most likely numbers to bet when looking at a list of repeater in a cycle of 37 numbers.
Just one observation in the calculation of the median value in Apache's example. He has a dataset of 24 numbers representing the skips. Now the definition of median is to take the middle value of a data set. However in an even list there isn't one middle value. We need to take the average of the two values that are in the middle of the list. In this case 16 and 20. So I think the median value should have been (16+20)/2=18

Do you agree?

cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: Runs & Gaps
Post by: wiggy on May 21, 07:04 PM 2018
I finished the chart showing all ten 37 spin cycles. I also highlighted in Green when a number was ahead in expectation at the end of a particular cycle, Amber when a number was breaking even in accordance with expectation and Red when a number was behind according to expectation. From my vantage point, it looks like the way the 28 performs is something to be looking out for. It's not too far behind in expectation so that you get robbed off too many hits before it's playable.