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Hey guys,

Just curious what you guys really think about those computers.

@Steve .... this is done with positive intentions  :thumbsup:

My opinion. Yes I am. Only JAA though. The others is really to expensive. I wouldn't pay 80k for it. Just imagine you get busted and they kick you out the casino and throw the computer at your head  :lol:

But yes if I lived near Steve I check it out for sure. No doubt.

Denzie:

1. See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/
You can get the $80,000 hybrid with virtually no up-front cost. There are "pay as you go" options. And if you lose the computer, replacement cost very little. Its development that cost money, not the equipment.

2. For whoever doesnt believe in it, you've never tested a roulette computer before, have you? You dont have any experience. Maybe Angelos Kavouras bet is for you  :) But once my free trial computer is released, you can test for yourself and know better. You will see how easily tens of thousands can be made, then you'll know the price is justified.

3. The hybrid is in a different league to other computers. You can only know its capabilities if you see a personal demo. To see "everything" takes about 2 days of demonstrating. Its mostly for high rollers who make very large bets and need to be able to have nothing suspicious on them even if strip searched... not that they'd ever be searched anyway.

4. They are LEGAL in about half of casinos. No broken legs or any of that bullshit. It just doesnt happen. If youre caught, they just do something like call earlier no more bets.

5. There are many peopke who have sweet fa experience with AP or computers, yet think theyre in position to know. People like this everywhere. Its very easy for anyone to find the truth for themselves with no risk. Start with :.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/

Do you sell all over the world or how does that work?
- Tuddilue

It makes no difference where you live. Although you may want to research where you intend to play, to ensure its legal. I already know where but i cant give official legal advice.

Its only a matter if time before the game changes too much, and they wont be viable on enough wheels anymore. For now, the casinos know about them but dont fully understand them. Some casinos may have tested less effective versions created by casino consultants, and think they are safe. Its only a matter of time before it all changes. And people unaware will have missed the boat.

Some casinos know better computers that what theyve seen may exist, but they still allow late betting because:

a. allowing late betting means normal players bet and lose more, and
b. there arent enough computer users to cause a big enough problem to call no more bets earlier
c. if any player wins too much with late bets, they can just close bets earlier

Its easy to win thousands without being detected.  Anyway the information is all out there on my sites, and its easy to find the facts, free trial, demo or whatever.

One more thing... normally I detest ignorance. Stupid people who think they know, but really know nothing. In the case of casino staff, their ignorance is a blessing. Many of them just dont really think computers or even ballistic systems like jaa can do real damage. And its their ignorance that makes sure that roulette ap will be alive and well for some time. Change will happen, but it is so slow because of:

1. ignorance and apathy (casino staff think who cares if some players win, and we can stop big winners most of the time, right?)

2. closing bets earlier will lose more revenue for casinos than it saves,

3. changing thousands of wheels that are easily beatable isnt so simple. Only rare designs are what Id consider worthy of being called "sufficiently random" but even they have downsides that lose casinos revenue. We can still beat these ones, but theyre much harder to beat. Still a better edge that MIT card counters.. just not the 50% we're used to.

Not sure, I will not buy it. It is not possible to beat roulette.

steve...i signed up for the free trial computer you announced some time ago. never got any reply...how is the status? anybody got one? release date?

It is already working but I havent sent everyone access details yet because the server gets overloaded. I upgraded it today. Ill send the rest of the access details probably tomorrow.

All access details have now been emailed. The first video is a mk7 semi-tilted with teflon ball. This is to replicate the perfectly average wheel in modern casinos. I havent checked the edge, but the profit after the test is roughly $8000 (starting with $2000 bankroll).

Sounds great, and it is, but it gets even better with the Hybrid and diamond targeting.

ive been reading again on your websites. I can imagine your tired of answering the same questions. But it are very very very busy websites. Its bit chaos. And a lot of links.

Anyway my focus is on the JAA. Coz of the online feature only. Im sure the Uber and hybrid are much better but its to expensive. Also i wouldnt be qualified/selected for it. So i think JAA would be a good first step into the roulette computers.

About JAA...it predicts before spin release which is what i like. So well yes...im gonna buy one!
The payments are very clear. What i receive is very clear too.The terms and agreement too but i see only 50% of the use of JAA and half price. Thats probably why it cost double to get 100% right?  And as i understand it i get acces to the private forum and the 20 online casinos where i can use the JAA and win ?  That would give me a good start while i search and test other wheels.

Denz

So ive been doing some more research...
About JAA..

They all seem to be happy about it but they all yakking it needs patience and sometimes its difficult.

Now about the time...collecting the spins cant be that difficult right? I can do that from my sofa till i find a wheel that gives a good rate.
Or in a b&m i can collect that with my wife in shifts or whatever. So i dont really understand why that is an issue. Or they need more then just the spins?

About the difficulty factor...whats difficult about it? I mean collect the data...let it run by the software...if its no good then move to another wheel right? Or is there more to it then this?

One last question...if i would prefer to play in a b&m then why would i buy JAA? I mean shouldnt i be better of with one of your roulette computers which gives better accuricy?

Happy to hear from you Steve. I ask it here coz i know some are interested in this.

Denzie, see below:

Does your system work online?

Yes, if the wheel is real and viewed via webcam. You cannot beat all wheels though as explained on this site. Usually you can beat about 35% of them with varying edges with the system. See a video recording of online play with real money at link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=0T5u5UKQ3TE. About a third of players only ever play online as there are over 20 suitable online casinos.

The advantages of online play are that you can play from home, and more easily share data with other players via the player forum. Also you can use automated software to video record all the spins you need, then play them back later at a faster speed to get the data you need. This saves time, so online play is much quicker than real casino play. The disadvantage is you need to use multiple accounts to avoid detection, and some casinos refuse payouts. So you need to carefully consider the reputation of online casinos and your plan of attack.

Although you can do well online, the more serious players tend to focus on real casinos because you can win more without being noticed. And in real casinos, you don't need to worry about payout refusal. I suggest start at online casinos because it's easy to practice, but focus on real casinos to earn larger amounts. The exception is if you use the "hit and run" approach explained below.

Can I earn a living playing online?

Yes and some players do, but it's more difficult than with real casinos because:
There are more players exploiting the online wheels than typical wheels in real casinos. So the online casinos are more sensitive to "suspiciously lucky" winners.
You need multiple accounts linked to real ID and people. You can use accounts from family and friends, or even pay part of winnings to account holders. It isn't usually a problem, but it's much easier to play in real casinos (many players use fake ID without a problem, but consider the legal issues).
Realistically you cannot earn perhaps $200 per day every day, as if it were a 9-5 job because you'll be detected. So playing online is more to supplement your existing incomes where you may win $2500 one week, then the next week earn another $2000, then you withdraw funds and open a new account. But if you played online to earn a living, you are best to apply a "hit and run" approach with larger bets. This is where you identify a predictable wheel and make large bets in the short term, so winnings look more like luck than professional play. This way you may only play once a month, but earn a larger sum. Hear the audio testimonial of one player that won $80,000 online: link:://:.roulettephysics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Testimonial6ADGermany.wma

Also see link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy-card/ for suggested strategies for playing online, but much more detail is provided in the private forum for players only. Remember the problem isn't so much beating the wheels. It's avoiding detection.

Which online casinos are best to play at?

It changes frequently. A casino can have a bad wheel one week, then after re-calibration another week, it may be very profitable. The best way to know is to test for yourself, and share information with other online players via the player forum. But keep in mind that sharing is a "two-way" thing. I can tell you which casinos many players have most success with, but you still need to evaluate the wheels yourself for updated assessments.


How can I know if this will be too difficult for me?

The system and processes are designed with beginners in mind. Most players find it easy to learn and use, but some (about 5% of players) find the system difficult. Below are the main reasons these players found the system difficult:

a. Long hours in the casino too tedious: Unfortunately most methods of making money are tedious and take time. You can decide for yourself if you are prepared to dedicate the time.

b. Health conditions such as poor eyesight, or poor concentration: These usually only affect players aged over 60.

c. Cannot understand the instructions: The instructions are regularly updated to make them as clear as possible. But some people expect to become experts overnight.

Some people expect to win a fortune without time and effort. It doesn't work like that. Compared to most systems that lose anyway, professional play can be hard work that doesn't always pay off. But when it does pay off, it is far better than any 9-5 job. You need to be prepared for the occasional frustration and remain patient, especially while you're still learning.

I've made everything as simple as possible. There are only 3 parts you need:

Part 1: The main training video (about 20 minutes long and explains almost everything)

Part 2: The knowledgebase (for various questions & answers),

Part 3: The checklist (to make sure you're doing everything needed).

You don't need to read anything else including the forum which has years of old posts. And if you have any questions, you can ask questions via the help desk.

Most players don't find anything particularly difficult. But difficulty is a matter of opinion. And you won't know how easy the system is until you try it for yourself. So help you determine how easy you'll find it without purchasing, I suggest learn the free visual ballistics system I provide (in the free trial). This method is significantly more difficult to use than the JAA cross reference system. So if you find the visual ballistics system easy enough (to both understand and apply), you'll likely have no problems using the JAA system which is much easier.

In all keep this in mind:

If you are used to the RBBRBR systems, you'll get a shock with advantage play. Systems that work are very different. You need attention to detail and patience. As per my last post, I suggest start with visual ballistics in the free course and proceed only if its your cup of tea. JAA is taking VB a few steps further, but it is all the same physics (ballistics).

So far I still don't see collecting data as a negative issue. Sure you could spend all day collecting and then see the wheel is no good. Well shit happens. Get yourself a beer and try again on another wheel some other time.

About the difficulty. ...if I read correct between the lines we also collect data about dominant diamonds and where the ball land etc... which still isn't a issue. If I hook my laptop on my TV that's easy .

So the terms and agreement....we get access to 50% for half price. That's why we pay double right? 100% for 2500$

So if I start with 1unit bets....how much br is required?  (If use the JAA correctly ).

And is JAA better then the roulette computers including in the package?  (Cuz these are after ball release )

How helpful are the members on the private forum?

Thx for your reply

If you have time and patience, thats a big part sorted.

Really there's nothing difficult about it in the opinion of most players. Its just that the RBRRBR players are accustomed to extremely simplistic approaches. Again AP is very different and needs attention to detail. But again everyone is different, so consider my advice about the free trial and testing.

No the software is bundled with support and I dont separate it from what you receive. The reason I itemize the price is so there is clear legal definition of what you receive. It's something I need to define clearly as a corporation.

The faqs have all the details on bankroll and expectations.

Whether jaa is better than computers depends on the computer and conditions at the wheel. In some conditions, the lite version computer is better (same accuracy as free trial computer) and in other conditions jaa is better. Overall jaa is better than the basic and lite computers (in terms of practicality and all factors considered), but jaa is nowhere near the Uber and Hybrid versions.

Some forum members are very helpful, others are still new and cant offer good advice yet. The majority of active posters are new and still learning for themselves. As players dont need help anymore, then dont bother attending the forum - they're too busy out playing. But there are roughly 10 or so experienced players who are also active at the forum. They dont post much, but are often reading posts and posting when helping someone. But dont rely on other members for support. Get support from the help desk or you may be given incorrect advice that confuses you.

What is all this about ?  :o

bullshit link removed

Again I'm not trying to make someone look bad . But I would appreciate it if this would be cleared up. I'm still at the verge of buying it. Someone just brought it to my attention.

And I see Ken still can find some time in his so very busy life to talk shit on ALL the other forums. Geez what an idio....  :lol:

Why remove the link ?
Instead of removing better you clear this up right. 

Denzie, I removed the link. Because it is the same bullshit posted on different forums. How many times should I explain it all? See :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com and read the whole website. Twice.

Turbo suspected it was Mark Howe. I actually think it's more likely to be Kav (real name Angelo Attoni) trying to make it look like Mark Howe. See link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/ioannis-kavouras-roulette30/

I'm not interested in the bullshit. Either read the site and believe what I say, or dont.

Quote from: denzie on Jun 28, 02:28 AM 2016Instead of removing better you clear this up right. 

No Denzie, i've explained the same shit a billion times. I'm not interested.

Ok that clear things up. Sorry but I don't follow beef between you and Mark or Kav or whatever.  They forwarded the link so I had no choice then ask. I'm about to spend 2500 so hope you understand.

I'm old enough to not take sides if I know nothing about the case.

My apologies

I am following this forum and topic for a while. I am interested as well, very in JAA. Of course, roulette computers have proven that they work for real.

But 2500 is still a lot of money for some people. But on the other hand I think it might be worth to buy. Just wondering if JAA can be paid in terms?

Not want to descredit anyone, like I said. Computers have proven to work for real by multiple people and universities.

Quote from: kingdombunnies on Jun 28, 03:15 AM 2016

But 2500 is still a lot of money for some people. But on the other hand I think it might be worth to buy. Just wondering if JAA can be paid in terms?

Very good question. I would be interested in that as well.   :thumbsup:

Some players purchased on terms, but Im not doing that anymore because its messy and I dont like having to follow-up payments. Id rather keep it simple.

As it is I wont have time to take new players soon anyway, and continuation of offering the system depends on finding a suitably qualified player to take over. The current support staff will be full time Hybrid players soon and wont have time for jaa support. Im discussing it with other potential candidates, with the most likely one wanting to offer a 3 day trial of the actual software. If he wants to do that Ill allow it. If you want just wait for that. It may be a few months or so though.

Ok. So it's now or months later to start with JAA. Got ya...

About the 3 day trial that would be great....if a qualified wheel can be found in 3 days  :o

Anyway plenty of thinking to do here. Thx for your replies

Not exactly. The last time I took a break accepting players lasted 6 months because I didnt want anyone else running things. Then I released the easier software and could work with more players. Later I had even less time, but instead of stopping I allowed partners to handle a lot of the support. It meant we could keep taking players. But now those partners cant continue so replacements are needed. Im sure there will be relacements but it isnt finalized yet. If there is an interruption where I stop taking players it might only be a month or so.

My point is it doesnt matter if you proceeded now, a month or year. Im only saying you may need to wait a few months for the trial. Roulette is not going to change in that time.

For the trial, It might be a lot sooner I dont know yet. I'll have a better idea of when in about 2 weeks so perhaps wait until then.

I am interested in that 3 day trial.

I already have a few wheels I can test out :)

Denzie, although the rubbish is already explained at :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com, I'll address the recent attack. My responses to specific claims are below.

Firstly, IHeartRoulette is not Mark Howe (link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/mark-howe/). It's more likely Angelo Attoni (link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/ioannis-kavouras-roulette30/) (who uses various fake names like Kavouras). He owns the roulette 30 and few other sites to promote his roulette system (the Kavouras bet (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/kavouras-roulette-strategy-the-kavouras-bet/)).

He's attacking me mostly because I removed his spam promoting his roulette system at my forums. He couldn't care less for truth, and only intends to discredit me.

His post is full of nonsense - mostly recited blatant lies from Mark Howe. Anyone can post junk about anyone, and it's easier to believe it without doing research. If you are interested in the facts about the allegations, read this site: :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com - read it thoroughly.

QuoteSteven George Hourmouzis (alias "Steve", "Stefano") â€" a convicted scammer from Australia who had his home raided by the Federal Police and has done actual jail time for his scams â€" is the owner of the following top roulette forums online:

Actually I was convicted of recklessly disseminating inaccurate information about a public company. In laymans terms, I said a company's stock would increase by about 900%. The regulatory authorities thought it was not a justified claim. But after my sentence, my prediction was correct. In fact, the stock price increased by over 1500%. Here's the stock chart:

(link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/rentech.jpg)

So I went to jail for being RIGHT. But it's a pitty I was proven right only after my sentence. I NEVER CHEATED ANYONE. AND ANYONE WHO FOLLOWED ADVICE WOULD HAVE MADE A FORTUNE. ie a $10,000 investment could have made a $150,000 profit. There was some information that was unintentionally false, like I said the company had multiple patents although there was only one patent. Intentional or not, it made no difference.

I made a lot of money when I was into stocks, because I knew how to pick good stock. Picking a 1500% price increase was one of my best, but had others over 200%. My absolute best was 1900% with an obscure tech company.

Did you notice Angelo listed some of my commercial sites, but excluded my non-profit foundation sites: :.landsharing.org and :.yourway.org.au? He can't risk anything positive.

QuoteHe's pleaded guilty to "two counts of making statements or disseminating information that was false." (Citation.)

I pleaded "guilty" because my lawyer advised at the very least, a jury would consider my unintentional dissemination of inaccurate information to be "reckless". I did NOT plead guilty to defrauding anyone. Again, anyone who actually took my advice would have profited. I never cheated anyone. See full details of the case (link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/rentech/) (what the media doesn't tell you).

QuoteHe's scammed so many people with his roulette junk that one guy successfully sued him for $2500 after involving the FBI, Senators in the USA, and the Federal Police and Courts in Australia.

I was not sued. A guy named Vince Brandt purchased my system and didn't read the download instructions, so sent abusive emails. He never even loaded the system software. Not once. His complaint wasnt about the system. I asked him to stop swearing at me for nothing OR hire a mediator where we could resolve the issue without his potty mouth. He elected to hire the mediator. And in the mediation, I told the mediator he never even accessed my system so I agreed to refunding him. That's all there is to it. See full details here (VCAT mediator) (link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/vince-brandt/)

As for the delusions about FBI, Senators, and Federal Courts, you'd have to be daft to believe that. It's like me writing a letter to President Obama, who ignored the letter, then me claiming the President of the USA was involved.

Again, I've never scammed anyone. I'm one of the most honest and fair people you'll probably ever meet. Out of over 1,000 players I've had over the years, I've only ever had a problem with less than 10. With over 1,000 people, a few are bound to have no idea. With any product, there is always a "complaint rate" and my products have a rate well below the average product.

Every business has their share of strange people. Just take a look at Vince Brandt for example. Read about the case: link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/vince-brandt/

QuoteYou obviously never heard of the Eudaemons who did just that. But they did it for real, not the scam Steven Hourmouzis is trying to peddle on the roulette forums where Turbogenius and mr j aid and abet him.

Actually Antonio (Kavouras): the Eudaemons had a very simplistic device that was basically a few lines of source code. It would take any programmer about an hour to fully code and test. I have the algorithm they used, and it's the equivalent of my Basic version computer which is free for my players. It is no comparison to the Uber or Hybrid roulette computer (link:://:.hybridroulettecomputer.com). What the Eudaemons did was pioneering, but nothing compared to modern roulette computers. Maybe you know this, but it appears you are adverse to giving me any credit.


Message for Angelo (Kavouras):

Is this really who you want to be? Resorting to attacking me under fake names on forums? It's pathetic.

Here's how it started:

You contacted me asking for information about roulette computers. This is fine. I corrected your assumptions, but you took offense to it. Your messages prompted me to read your roulette30 site, where I found you promoting online casinos, selling a roulette system, and running commercial ads. The rules of this site are NO SPAM. I had PREVIOUSLY allowed you to post links to your site because, at the time, your site seemed non-profit. So naturally when it became clear you were discretely spamming commercial links in the forum, I removed your links. And that upset you. I explained that no forum would allow spam, so you shouldn't be so offended.

Then we got into discussing why systems fail. And I tried to help you understand why your system doesn't work. You said it was my "opinion". And I tried to explain that it wasn't merely opinion, but clear mathematical fact. You cannot overcome unfair payouts by changing bet size and betting the same numbers. You think you can.

And finally you caused problems for yourself here, when posting as Blue Angel. I revealed to members who you really were, under a fake name (AFTER you posted rubbish attacking me), trying to convince everyone your system works. I was open to the possibility, but asked you to provide ANY tangible proof of your claims. I'm sorry if it offends you, but your theories were amateurish. In the end, you couldn't substantiate your claims and left. Why is your inexperience my fault? You were trying to argue against simple mathematical truth, and lost. It isn't my fault. I didn't design the universe.

Angelo, I've done enough research on you to know more about you than I care to know. I know your various sites and other fake names, fake profile photos, real photos, all promoting casinos and your roulette systems. Also maybe you're upset at me because I referred to your customer's angry comments about your system. I accept you don't like me, but consider how it started with Mark Howe, and how you may be going down the same path.

Once he found I was a "competitor", he started blatantly lying about me. The lies were wild. Then he started twisting information, all to boost sales of his own computers. For 6 months I ignored him. And then I politely asked him to stop, or I would start defending myself. Not attacking him, but defending myself. He only intensified his efforts to attack me. It was easy to refute his nonsense, but he kept creating new lies.

Eventually I realized he was a joke and I was wasting my time. I did public demos, gave reputable well-known forum members my computer to test for free, and even hired a physicist to test my system (report on website). I did even more. Anyone with a brain could find the truth. As for people who believed the nonsense and couldn't think for themselves, tough luck.

Mark became so obsessed with me that he even stooped so low to harass my wife and family. In the end, his obsession ruined his relationship with his girlfriend who kicked him out. Mark blamed me for it all and accused me of ruining his life. Actually he ruined his own life. All I ever did was tell the truth. Now wanted by police, he's fled to Norway.

A few points to consider:

* Your site gives credibility to the real scam (Mark Howe), and attack me (the honest one). I really cant be bothered explaining his latest deceptions. His computers are cheap. Buy them and see for yourself. And anyone can test mine for free: link:://:.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/ (link:://:.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/)

* You are a skilled writer, web designer and marketer. But you are a very inexperienced roulette player, and the information on your websites is copied - not from personal experience. Because you need traffic to be a casino affiliate. For Gods sake you even list the martingale as a top 9 system on your site. Realistically, I may know roulette better than anyone anywhere, but you tell people I have no experience. I mean really?

* Don't think I'll allow your games to continue without an eventual response. Really, I'm not stupid and without resources. I'd rather not waste more time on it. Would you?

I know you don't like me Angelo, but I've done nothing wrong to you. Your attacks against me only started after I removed your links (because it was spam). And I only ever published a review of Kavouras bet after you wrote rubbish about me. Perhaps I should have just ignored you and let you attack me. But the difference was I actually told the truth from an impartial view. You didn't. You deliberately and maliciously lied to people to discredit me. Without any care for the accuracy of information, you recited utter garbage from Mark Howe. You have had every opportunity to research and find the truth at :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com but the fact you don't care about truth doesn't speak well for your integrity as a person.

From here Angelo, I suggest think about where you're heading. If you don't swallow your pride and amend your material, history will repeat. I dont care if you are critical and have your opinions about me or my technology. But outright reciting blatant lies and deception makes you one of the disgraceful people who put pride and revenge before truth.

If you want to discuss this in private, then contact me. The resolution is simple. Remove your junk, and I'll have no reason to mention you. If you find material on my sites offensive, then let me know so I can remove it. I'm a reasonable person, but just don't get offended if you don't like my "opinion" about how you can and can't win roulette.

Alright Steve , very much appreciated about this. You understand I had no choice but asking right ? I was not informed about your beef till today. I saw the name KAV passing here a few times but no idea who he or his kav bet was. Anyway if you would be a scammer well....holy shit you would win an award for it . Lol.

I was never in doubt. We old enough to know that each story has 2 sides. Always listen first.

And about that past...even if you did jail...well I wasn't always on the right track myself so I'm also not easy to judge.

And FBI.... lol...well if they wanna give you a bad name at least they should do a better job. Who gonna believe that. Nice try though.

Thx for clearing this up. I understand you sick of hearing it. You will hear from me soon for the JAA  :thumbsup:

Btw I'm on roulette30 too now but also coz I see Ken is busy bashing me and others and your forum.  So I couldn't resist of give him a proper hello

QuoteAnd about that past...even if you did jail...well I wasn't always on the right track myself so I'm also not easy to judge.

Maybe you missed what I said. I didnt cheat anyone. Anyone who listened to my advice would have profited.

I will say the truth and accept any consequence of honesty. if the truth meant I was wrong, Ill accept that, learn, and become a better person. I would be ashamed of lying about anything, because lying is hiding from who you really are. I dont hide. I can look myself in the mirror and see an honest person. The attacks against my "products" are not what bother me so much. They are not mere products. They are the result of decades of work. What annoys me is more the lies about me and who I am, by clowns without integrity. Kav is just another of them. And the ignorance of people who are too stupid to think for themselves.

No no I understand everything you said. No worries. 

:)

Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 01:34 PM 2016
Maybe you missed what I said. I didnt cheat anyone. Anyone who listened to my advice would have profited.

I will say the truth and accept any consequence of honesty. if the truth meant I was wrong, Ill accept that, learn, and become a better person. I would be ashamed of lying about anything, because lying is hiding from who you really are. I dont hide. I can look myself in the mirror and see an honest person. The attacks against my "products" are not what bother me so much. They are not mere products. They are the result of decades of work. What annoys me is more the lies about me and who I am, by clowns without integrity. Kav is just another of them. And the ignorance of people who are too stupid to think for themselves.

I never judge people or anything on what others have said or rumors floating around. I make my own mind up and take people on face value and you seem a cool guy to me....apart from the alien stuff.

Thats just fckin mental. :thumbsup:

Quote from: Turner on Jun 28, 02:03 PM 2016you seem a cool guy to me....apart from the alien stuff. Thats just fckin mental.

What's more "mental"?

a. We're just one of many species of life in the entire universe, which is so big our minds cant comprehend it, or,

b. God made us, and we are alone on this tiny little speck. Nothing else is out there but rocks and gas.

For me it seems "b" is a very narrow view.

There's a guy I know who says an evil reptile controlling mankind through manipulation. Below is what he looks like:

(link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17206.0;attach=23635;image)

And the president of the USA, judges and lots of other people swear on a book that says the same thing.

My view on that book is, like many things in this world, it is part of the manipulation.

Turner, please is there a method by which I can contact you?

The moderator at GF isnt approving my posts, so I have to post them here. He approves Angelos links and posts though. It's a bit hard to make my point when the forum admin isnt upholding the slogan of the forum: independent, comprehensive, uncensored. Actually from what I've seen so far, his forum is pretty damn censored and biased.

Quote from: Boz, post: 17438, member: 1829if you could beat roulette you would be doing it, not selling a system. Oh wait, let me guess, you are banned for casinos for winning too much.

Normally yes, I'd agree with you. WHY I sell some of my technology is explained as FAQ #1:

Why would you sell a system that works?
I sell it because I use my roulette computers which are more accurate and quicker to use. So I don’t need the system, but that doesn’t mean I’ll let it sit un-used. Learn more about my roulette computers at :.roulette-computers.com.

So why sell my computers? Well the better ones sell for between US$15,000 and US$80,000, which makes it more worth my time.

Do I use the computers myself? Absolutely, but most of my time is spent managing my profit split teams. These are people who mostly paid me NOTHING up-front, and just pay part of their winnings (being the big scammer I am). It's explained at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/ but one option to get the $80,000 computer for $0 (except a small cable) is below:

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OPTION 4: $0.00 up-front (access fee), plus “any payment you feel is justified” per 24/hr period of use

You pay nothing to get started except $500 per player (usually 3 players per team), plus US$200 for a custom cable from us. So your startup costs are about US$1,700. Then you pay literally whatever you want each time you use the Hybrid. It sounds like the best option but the catches are:

•   We have a strict selection criteria. We don’t allow just anyone. You need to assess your casino’s wheels to ensure they’re suitable.
•   We give preferential access to the “highest paying teams”: Basically the highest bidders get access to the servers, because we have limited servers and operators who oversee users. So if you only pay $100 when other teams pay us $10,000, we’ll of course only work with the higher paying team.
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The hybrid roulette computer (the $80,000 computer) enables me to watch live streamed video from inside the casino, while I'm sitting in front of my TV at home. Literally, it's what I do. I can see everything including how much players win, the accuracy of predictions etc.

You can see the Hybrid below:

link:s://:.youtube.com/v/jPMq3s3aZNk

Quote from: AxelWolf, post: 17444, member: 1511IF by some chance someone had a legitimate way to beat roulette and they got tossed out of all casinos in their comfortable travelling range, they could easily hire someone to play their system for a % of the profits.

Well that's exactly what I do.

Quote from: AxelWolf, post: 17445, member: 1511Whomever is selling this device do you have a list of places where it's NOT illegal to use now?What's the cost?

We know exactly where it's legal but it's not something I'll disclose here. But one of the best known jurisdictions is the UK. That's why the Ritz team who won around US$2.4M in 3 days weren't charged, and kept their winnings. The computers are legal in about half of casinos. It's all explained on my sites.

Quote from: AxelWolf, post: 17445, member: 1511Would you be willing to supply one to a notable public gambling figure for independent testing? If it works as well as you claim and someone like that verifies it, that would certainly add credibility to your device. I would think you would actually be willing to pay for someone like that to verify it in fact works.

Actually I already did that. See link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/#ronjo

And I've done many public demonstrations. See this:
link:s://:.youtube.com/v/dYUc3gGctNk

Plus the free trial at: link:://:.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/

There's plenty of very clear proof, for anyone who actually looks for it. As for people who believe people like Angelo and Mark Howe, too bad.

And finally Angelo (IHeartRoulette), you've run out of things to say. It happens when your arguments don't hold water. You can keep going in circles.

Our star is part of a galaxy. A galaxy of which we cannot even travel to the next star.


Within the galaxy are millions of other planets

Outside our galaxy there are trillions of other galaxies

So vast we couldnt fathom it

When you look at the sky you may see what you think is a star but in fact it is a galaxy so far away it seems as though it is a spec. But it is also made of billions of stars

To think we are alone is preposterous.

Drakes equation

The universe is so infinite what a waste if earth was the only place with life

We came about somehow.

Also we are carbon based

There may be a star system with life based on another element besides carbon that would look so insane to us

Trust me we are not alone

And that doesn't even touch on the fact we are 3rd dimensional yet there are dimensions up to 12 maybe even more

Yep well said RG. And yet with all the mysteries and grandeur of the universe, especially though my teen years, my focus was merely getting some. Don't judge me. You were all the same.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 28, 09:24 PM 2016
Our star is part of a galaxy. A galaxy of which we cannot even travel to the next star.


Within the galaxy are millions of other planets

Outside our galaxy there are trillions of other galaxies

So vast we couldnt fathom it

When you look at the sky you may see what you think is a star but in fact it is a galaxy so far away it seems as though it is a spec. But it is also made of billions of stars

To think we are alone is preposterous.

Drakes equation

The universe is so infinite what a waste if earth was the only place with life

We came about somehow.

Also we are carbon based

There may be a star system with life based on another element besides carbon that would look so insane to us

Trust me we are not alone

And that doesn't even touch on the fact we are 3rd dimensional yet there are dimensions up to 12 maybe even more

Agree, human stupid think only one.  Narrow thought.

Quote from: caspian on Jun 28, 07:15 PM 2016
Turner, please is there a method by which I can contact you?

PM?...

How do I PM you? I could not see an option to do that when I clicked on your profile sorry.

Quote from: caspian on Jun 29, 02:27 AM 2016
How do I PM you? I could not see an option to do that when I clicked on your profile sorry.

Click my name, and send PM

Actually, you have a trial period of around 5 posts where I have to approve them

I guess PM is off until that stops

Quote from: dimsun on Jun 28, 09:33 PM 2016
Agree, human stupid think only one.  Narrow thought.

Not so fast....

I dont believe we are the only life form in the universe. What I do believe is this:

We have been here as humans for around 100,000 years

Human-like apes around 5 million. Its nothing at all in the grand scheme.

Earths been here in this solar system 4.5 billion years. Thats roughly a third of the age of the whole universe.

So many wierd factors have got us here
Our Sun catagory
Our distance from sun
Our moon
Our orbit
the angle we spin at
The rate we spin at
Water on the planet
Massive solar wind deflecting Magnetic field
Not being hit by something size of Texas every 10 years
and on
and on....x 1,000,000

I didnt even mention chemistry and biology

Where we are today is almost impossible. So almost impossible it could be considered a one off.

Dont glibly disregard what I just said.

So, I will stretch it a bit and say its a one off in each galaxy. That still gives 170 billion sophisticated ecosystems like ours in the observable universe
its not ridiculous or stupid to say all those odds amount to 200 billion to 1. The amount of stars in a galaxy

But we arnt being visited by any of them

Yes we are not alone in the grand scale of things but Roswell and UFOs are bunkum.

@Turner  OK I guess this is my 3rd post then!

Turner why do you think we arent being visited? Visits would be inevitable. Some would try to expoit us as a resource, some to help us, and some who dont care.

All things considered, I think most would allow us to evolve without interference. Because interfering would damage us, like spoiling a kid who never earns anything. And besides, we are still blowing each other up so I rather think theyd see us as morons who havent learned.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 06:26 AM 2016
Turner why do you think we arent being visited? Visits would be inevitable. Some would try to expoit us as a resource, some to help us, and some who dont care.

All things considered, I think most would allow us to evolve without interference. Because interfering would damage us, like spoiling a kid who never earns anything. And besides, we are still blowing each other up so I rather think theyd see us as morons who havent learned.

I thought I made it clear in my post. The odds of being where we are are so high that its one in a galaxy.

Keppler hasnt found one solar system like ours. Before keppler, we thought solar systems evolved like this.

They dont. Gas giants dont form out there. They form near a sun. Keppler has shown this. Jupiter was wandering around for biliions of years. It sits out there where it couldnt of formed, and captures Kuiper belt objects that would of smashed us to smithereens ages ago.

its all odds of probability that this system and this earth and this ecosystem is what it is.

its very very rare.

And if "they" are out there, why should they be like us? And if the odds grow another set of intelligent beings,  they may of never thought to travel in space. More odds

If someone observed 38 reds in a row, would it be the same numbers as someone observing it again in 100 years?

Starting to sound like a David Icke forum here. :)

4th post....

Thanks Turner now I should be able to PM you!

Quote from: Turner on Jun 29, 06:41 AM 2016
I thought I made it clear in my post. The odds of being where we are are so high that its one in a galaxy.

Keppler hasnt found one solar system like ours. Before keppler, we thought solar systems evolved like this.

They dont. Gas giants dont form out there. They form near a sun. Keppler has shown this. Jupiter was wandering around for biliions of years. It sits out there where it couldnt of formed, and captures Kuiper belt objects that would of smashed us to smithereens ages ago.

its all odds of probability that this system and this earth and this ecosystem is what it is.

its very very rare.

And if "they" are out there, why should they be like us? And if the odds grow another set of intelligent beings,  they may of never thought to travel in space. More odds

If someone observed 38 reds in a row, would it be the same numbers as someone observing it again in 100 years?

They do not have to be like us

So many things to consider

This is not david icke this is actual science

In different parts of the universe our laws of physics fail to work

So much we do not know.

There may be alien life carbon based like we are. Or there may be life based on another element like silicon which i just sealed my bathroom with lol

Again we r 3 dimensional and live in the 3rd dimension. Theres otber dimensions we cannotnsee or feel

If you watch PBS string theory they estimate 12 dimensions. What are they empty?

Turner is right. It may be rare for a planet to be in a goldilocks zone of a star where life can be harbored

Butttt wait a minute. If a few galaxies away theres life based on another element their goldilocks zone could be further from the star or closer to the star then earth is in relation to the sun

Drakes equation estimates that there are 100,000 intelligent civilizations in this galaxy alone.

A galaxy where we cant even fathom traveling across yet. Unless lockheed martin is doing things behind the scenes

Its hard for us to think of this. Most people do not under stand how vast and huge this galaxy is and outside our galaxy light years away are other galaxies. Do you have any idea how many solar systems are in just this galaxy alone? The human mind can't wrap around just how big it all is

When you say rare remember the scale we are talking about. Trillions on trillions

Dolphins and whales are intelligent. They have been here far longer than us by millions of years.

As far as I know, they havnt landed a rover on Mars.

The billion to one rarer than rare accident is right here on earth

Yes rare

But on a trillion on top of trillion scale what the human mind cannot fathom

Theres more out there

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 29, 08:51 AM 2016
Yes rare

But on a trillion on top of trillion scale what the human mind cannot fathom

Theres more out there

absolutely....but within the limited realms of what the human mind cannot fathom is us asking where all the aliens and travellers from other worlds are.

In the grand scale of things, that may be a dumb, naive question because we really dont get it as much as we think we do.

It is a saddening that all stars have a life span

Global warming is a moot point

In a few million years the sun will advance to its next stage and the earth will be too hot to live on

We must leave to survive

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 29, 03:38 PM 2016We must leave to survive

You care Earth here after you not?  Dead mean gone most people.  Worry gone.

I'm coming to understand that life is so temporary, and we all waste time on bullshit. It's very easy to do this as a human.

Nothing you earn or acquire can be taken with you, except your experience. Your ultimate goal should be to develop yourself and help others do the same. We will all learn this eventually. But many people cant even see two feet in front of them.

I've seen enough to know what we see here is nothing compared to what else exists. Where we are living now is really just like an enormous game. It will keep going round and round.

Ok everyone stop smoke weed please.  Just kidding.  Back on topic...

Was over at roulette30 had a little talk with Kav. Well he definitely is a big loser in my eyes. Of course he was talking trash about Steves computers. Apparently they are the worst ever.

I simply said those who wanna know should listen to those who actually bought one. And not listen the enemies. Well the mature man he is..he deleted that. Well that shows me enough about his credibility.

Just thought I mention it. I still gonna purchase JAA and I'm sure Steve has no problem that I would report my results.  After all that would be very positive publicity.

Steve if you know when that possible free trial comes let me know pls. I'll start looking for good wheels a few days before release. 
Don't wanna lose to much time with that. I probably play 3 days non stop together with the misses.

Thx in advance

Roflmao. ..he locked the thread now.
Now I'm really sure what kind of individual he is  :lol:

Denzie
I like you for what thats worth.
You remind me of myself
Dont believe the hype. Find out for yourself
Most strong views are from people who never actually tried....I find
Cheers
Turner

Kav (real name Angelo Anttoni) is just a casino promoter with many fake names (such as Ionnis Kavouras, and Marko Diaz). Uses fake photos and names, and owns a few sites. Not just roulette 30.com but also roulette - bet.com. He also sells his Kavouras bet (link:://'link:://:.roulettephysics.com/kavouras-roulette-strategy-the-kavouras-bet/'). In a nutshell, he's upset because I removed years of his spam here, once I saw it was just sneaky spam. Yes, you're not going to find any truth from people with an agenda to discredit someone. But when it comes to roulette, he copies content from my sites and acts like an expert. He's actually very inexperienced.

The free trial will be available probably sooner than expected. I'll know more in around a week. So you can test without needing to send any money.

QuoteMost strong views are from people who never actually tried....I find

Ha that's sure the truth. Kav has never even seen a roulette computer, thinks making the same bet repeatedly with some progression is a "truly unique winning system" (his kavouras bet), and thinks advantage play is a scam. But he writes about it to get traffic to promote casinos. Geez I could go on but the mask is off him now. I'll give him this though - he's a great writer and marketer.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 03:03 AM 2016

The free trial will be available probably sooner than expected. I'll know more in around a week. So you can test without needing to send any money.

Ok good to know.  I'm ready ^^


Yes Turner...I noticed that too. All those people didn't even buy one. But I thought Kav was bit smarter though. He is so easy to read. Well that case is closed for me.

Quote from: denzie on Jun 30, 04:09 AM 2016
Ok good to know.  I'm ready ^^


Yes Turner...I noticed that too. All those people didn't even buy one. But I thought Kav was bit smarter though. He is so easy to read. Well that case is closed for me.

Another 1 ready here :)

Very cool of you Steve that you would do that  O0 :thumbsup:

On the note of free trials:

The roulette computer free trial (link:://:.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/) currently uses a basic algorithm only, but is more than enough to prove even my basic computers work. It is capable of more advanced algorithms, but I don't think I'll use them for a public demo. After all anyone can access it, including casinos. Anyone interested will see a lot more, including advanced features, in a private demonstration (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/demonstrations/).

Free trials for the roulette system (non electronic strategy (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/cross-referencing/)) isnt so simple because it would have normally needed the disclosure of confidential information. So I currently offer the free trial at :.roulettephysics.com/free-trial/ - but the upcoming free trial will actually be the JAA software used by players, with one particular feature disabled. It's still more than enough to see it works. I'll explain more in time.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 11:00 PM 2016hing you earn or acquire can be taken with you, except your experience. Your ultimate goal should be to develop yourself and help others do the same. We will all learn this eventually. But many people cant even see two feet in front of them.

Agreed, to an extent.  This is a pretty big misunderstanding in the 'self-help' world.  You can't 'develop' something that's illusory in the first place.  Pointing others towards that illusion is key.

Ok now I'm 100% sure. Kav is an idiot. Yup. That guy is so fake you can smell it from miles away. He doesn't even try hard anymore.  :lol:

And the award for schizophrenia goes to......drumroll. ....... KAV

:thumbsup:

I like that kav made a forum based on roulette systems and no selling

No shot at steve but it is quite a conflict of interest. I have no problem saying that. The whole forum monopoly thing

I like that kavs site is for enthusiasts and system makers because thats what some people like to do

The kavouras bet is just another method of play. Play smart with money you can and have a stop loss.

Denzie, Yes, He's great at playing the nice guy, but get to know him well enough and you see his true colours.

Rg what are you talking about? He runs online casino ads on every page.  He is great at making his sites look impartial, but its all for online casino promotion and selling his system. I was fooled too.

@Steve

Hi Steve,

I followed your free trail course and tried to apply the VB to immersive roulette on unibet. It is really hard becouse they change camera's every couple of seconds. My question to you is, do you have some sort of a guideline when the JAA software trail will be available? I lost alot of money and i hope i can get it back, but i only want to use the best method.

Thanks in advance,

Jottem15
(my first post :xd:)

Quote from: Jottem15 on Jul 01, 05:01 AM 2016
@Steve

Hi Steve,

I followed your free trail course and tried to apply the VB to immersive roulette on unibet. It is really hard becouse they change camera's every couple of seconds. My question to you is, do you have some sort of a guideline when the JAA software trail will be available? I lost alot of money and i hope i can get it back, but i only want to use the best method.

Thanks in advance,

Jottem15
(my first post :xd:)

Why did you try it with real money? If it's your first time I would play virtual. And immersive not let you see the wheel clearly. It's one of the last though to bet after ball release. But the camera's take care that issue very smart.

There are other wheels that are much better . Don't forget you can adjust most viewpoints.

@Denzie

Hee thanks for your reply.

Can you suggest another good online casino with good camera view to see if there is some sort of pattern on the wheel?

Thanks,

Jottem

There are a few but you wont find that information here. It's something you'll need to find for yourself. Like most professional players, I share some information, but naturally keep the most important things to myself. Nevertheless, very few serious players bother playing online. Real casinos are overall a much better option.

Steve,  any news ?

Ill be discussing it with the new partners next week. I wont have time this week sorry. Its not all up to me so I cant release more details until its discussed.

Ok just checking.  Still looking forward to testing . So many guys tell me to not buy it. But none actually tested it themselves. Very frustrating. ....siiiiiiiiich

Yes everyone on the Internet with no experience is an expert. There are quite a few players of my methods here but they have agreed to keep it to themselves.

The majority of people who attack me have an ulterior motive, no experience with me or advantage play, and barely understand what the house edge is. A lot of the attacks come from people unhappy with their own lives.

But some of them are even people hailed as "experts", yet make their primary living selling books and ads. These people are a joke and get excited about a 2% edge. My primary income source is actual play. And despite all their ramblings, not one of them have anything remotely capable of a +125% edge.

What jaa does is not magic, and my claims shouldnt seem so outrageous except to an uneducated and inexperienced moron. Anyone who knows roulette ap methods would know in the right conditions, roulette is very easily beaten. Whoopie, I found even better ways to predict spins with slight accuracy, and combined with cross referencing analysis is enough to have an edge between 5-15% on around a third of wheels. It works but is a grind with hard and boring hours. But do it right and it beats 9-5 work. Really its not that exciting but the claim is a big hoo-ha for some people.

Even when I give free computers to test and do public demos, there will always be clowns calling me names. Again, ulterior motives. Its not about truth.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 06, 07:18 AM 2016
Yes everyone on the Internet with no experience is an expert. There are quite a few players of my methods here but they have agreed to keep it to themselves.

Fair enough.  Can I talk here about my results ? (Without giving any info about the JAA system )


But some of them are even people hailed as "experts", yet make their primary living selling books and ads. These people are a joke and get excited about a 2% edge. My primary income source is actual play. And despite all their ramblings, not one of them have anything remotely capable of a +125% edge.

That 125 % edge is with your hybrid. Surely I'm interested in that too. But it's to expensive for me and I wouldn't be qualified for the free package. But I'll start with JAA and who knows if we could go to that point in the future.

It works but is a grind with hard and boring hours. But do it right and it beats 9-5 work. Really its not that exciting but the claim is a big hoo-ha for some people.

I totally understand why it's boring. But once you start making money that boring part will change into motivation. At least as how I see it.

Well just let us know and it's time to test. I'll make sure I'm free to test it as much as possible.  Big thx  :thumbsup:

Quote from: denzie on Jul 06, 09:16 AM 2016Fair enough.  Can I talk here about my results ? (Without giving any info about the JAA system )

Well normally a player is bound to NDA agreements, and they dont normally ask me all about it on public forums. I usually ask people to contact me privately because selling anything tends to upset people, as if selling anyone was uncommon. Normally you arent even allowed to disclose you are a player. Thats because it leads to people asking questions, people attempting to mislead players by pretending to be other people (as happened before many times), and accidental disclosures information that affects all players. But in this case, its a bit late for that now. Nevertheless, if you are part of a free trial then you wouldnt have access to the more sensitive parts, and can discuss results but I'd rather you keep it yourself, good or bad results. But if you do proceed later, it is part of the agreement you lay low and keep it to yourself.

Also the 125% edge was with the Uber in the public demo below (I think it was 123% edge or around about):
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=PUqjvSvEnX8

Quote from: denzie on Jul 06, 09:16 AM 2016I totally understand why it's boring. But once you start making money that boring part will change into motivation. At least as how I see it.

That's what almost everyone says, until they start doing it. It gets very boring and tedious, and doesnt always pay off. But when it does, it makes the time and effort worthwhile unless you're playing with 50c units. You'll find yourself saying many times "just spin the ****ing ball already"

Lol. Yeah bit to late . I just thought it would be good publicity. And would help other people who are in doubt to make that step faster. But ok nvm  :-X

When you say....it doesn't always pay off. ... this mean we lost our br  or lost our time collecting data or end around break even? 

QuoteAnd would help other people who are in doubt to make that step faster

With things like free trials and computers to test, it's not hard for anyone to make an educated decision.

QuoteWhen you say....it doesn't always pay off. ... this mean we lost our br  or lost our time collecting data or end around break even?

Yes but more than anything, lost time. Like you could spend days on a wheel and be frustrated with it, trying to squeeze every possible edge. And for all that time you barely break even or lose a bit. But  alternatively, you could have just not bothered with the wheel if you evaluated it properly to begin with, so you would have known if the wheel was a bad candidate from the start.

I have done it myself many times, and sometimes still do it. You get kind of obsessed beating a wheel as a personal challenge, when a much easier wheel is meters away. It's just a smarter decision to move onto easier wheels and let the past go. Beating the wheels would be very easy if you could get spin after spin without delay, because then you could just quickly move on if a wheel is no good. The hardest thing I personally find is delay between spins.

Quote from: denzie on Jul 07, 01:58 AM 2016
Lol. Yeah bit to late . I just thought it would be good publicity. And would help other people who are in doubt to make that step faster. But ok nvm  :-X

When you say....it doesn't always pay off. ... this mean we lost our br  or lost our time collecting data or end around break even?

You don't need this denzie, you know to play roulette, why to bother with this?

Most of what I play requires lot of patience too MJ. So I'm used to that. I'm just curious if these things actually work.

How I should play ? With your method?  That cost me 700 bucks last weekend  :(
Perhaps you could provide more info about that method. Of course in the proper thread.

Maybe you're right mumbo. I don't really have anything to offer. Your approaches are best. I'm assuming you have below random results at rouletteplayers.org because you were practicing. There are lots of news stories of winners with your systems.  Its never about advantage play.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 07, 03:36 AM 2016
Maybe you're right mumbo. I don't really have anything to offer. Your approaches are best. I'm assuming you have below random results at rouletteplayers.org because you were practicing. There are lots of news stories of winners with your systems.  Its never about advantage play.

Yes indeed, I tested several good systems on rouletteplayers.org when I have time, it is good site  :thumbsup: I always testing something.

Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jul 07, 04:37 AM 2016
Yes indeed, I tested several good systems on rouletteplayers.org when I have time, it is good site  :thumbsup: I always testing something.

I have searched for some good systems you have posted. But that site does not work mumbojumbo.

Can you post a link to one of those systems of yours mj?

It is not public systems yet.

Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jul 09, 01:51 PM 2016
It is not public systems yet.

Care to share. Or you wait?

We need a rolling eyes emoj asap  :lol:

 ::)

We have it already

Hello there i m interested too about jaa software.I m waiting for the same thing,a trial to proceed for a payment.

Denzie, recently you posted a link to GF where someone was attacking me. It turns out it was the forum owner himself (Michael Emilio Rodriguez). He posted under a fake name to discredit me, and encourage people to post at his forum instead of here.

Everything is explained in detail at link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/michael-emilio-rodriguez/

When you are successful or in a position of visibility (including a simple forum admin), many people take a shot at you whether it's from envy, just business or personal vendetta. Anyway he's just censoring everything that reveals his behavior. He claimed the removal of my posts was because they were "off topic". He needed any excuse. After he denied using a fake name to attack me, below is what I posted. Of course he removed it too:

(link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ihr21.jpg)

Denzie, can you now see why I didn't want to waste time with the bullshit? When someone wants to discredit someone, there is no reasoning with them. Everything they say and do has one direction, which is to discredit. Truth is irrelevant.

I totally understand.  :thumbsup:
Pfff losers . They have nothing better to do or what  ::)

Anyway I'm still confident about you...
Just waiting the trial and then we can proceed

Grts

Question. ...

Did any of your customers gotten any problem with customs?  Coz it probably a package with electronics inside. So they probably open it to check . (Mostly coz they need taxes).

Not that I'm aware of except one time there was a long delay in UK customs (few weeks). It was around the time of a terrorist bombing using phones. So i'm assuming customs wanted to confirm the modified phones werent being used for explosives. The package was opened but re-sealed. It wasn't hard to determine what the phones really were for, because DVDs and instructions were included. Since then i've never had any problems shipping anywhere.

Cool  :thumbsup:

Hi Steve,

So we can beat about 30% of the wheels.
How many % of the airball wheels can JAA beat ?

Is an airball wheel able to shoot the ball in a certain area? (Coz they can control the speed of the wheel , where and when and how hard they shoot the ball) . Just wondering. (If the ball doesn't bounce strange of course )

Thx

Yes about that, which means edge between 1-15% with jaa, and typically 15-120% with computers.

Some auto (airball) wheels are easier to beat, some harder. Most modern ones are harder and you may only beat 5-10% of them. Slingshots are hardest. Rarely can they be beaten with jaa. It depends on wheel settings and scatter.

No auto wheels dont target or avoid areas. That would be illegal influencing spins.

ps why are you bothering with alabalah? He started attacking me and I couldnt be bothered responding. So he got angrier. Then the whole forum turned on him calling him scammer, and hes blaming me sonehow for the backfire. At least you can see how the attacks against me start. When someone has no integrity, they just throw mud. No logic, just crap. And morons like Boz actually believe it and repeat it, then more morons believe and repeat it.

and btw, I never changed my name. The guy has no clue about anything and I dont want to waste time correcting him. Do you think he cares about accuracy?

Albalaha wants 20k for his mentoring services

What a joke

And his blogs a joke to

Couldn't care less about Albalaha. But I know he's a scammer. And I don't want he fools more people.
I was there to defend myself  against that lovely Ken. And I saw Albalalalalala trying to scam.
Anyway he made a fool out of himself just as Ken.

These forum battles are getting ridiculous. Big mouths from behind the pc.  ::)

Anywaaaaaays. ... about JAA...for online play we need 100% visual of the wheel?  (Coz many don't show it very clear).

no you dont need full view in any case. 1/4 view is fine

but i dont recommend online casinos. messing around with multiple accounts, many refuse payouts and lock accounts. many advantages to real casinos.

Steve. Whats your thought on airball machines

Roulette evolution, IGT etc

Its better you email me privately about specific wheel brands etc.

So I've send data about a certain wheel and gotta 64% acceptable rating. If the actual JAA is being used with full data should it only increase or can it stay at this rating ?

Coz if another 10% comes then i would have found a good wheel for the trial.  :)

Its a barely acceptable rating, and as I explained in the email if its a slingshot wheel, generally you wouldnt bother. This is because the test you requested is very basic, and even full jaa needs a lot more data before the ratings have sufficient reliability to bet. The free test doesnt take any of that info into consideration, nor the qualification procedure. Perhaps keep it simple. Just wait for the free trial version of the actual jaa software. Its a much better indicator of performance and will replace the test you submitted.

Quote from: Steve on Aug 01, 04:20 AM 2016
. Just wait for the free trial version of the actual jaa software. Its a much better indicator of performance and will replace the test you submitted.

I understand. Just want to find a wheel so I don't lose to much time when the free trial is available. Coz maybe 3 days not enough to find one. Anyway soon I'm going to Asia and probably can't play for couple of months.  ::)

Thx anyway

I have the programmer doing priority work, so he can only make some mods for a trial version when he's done with other work. Roulette isnt likely to change much anytime soon.

Hello,when the trial will be available?

The programmer needs to make a few mods so the trial version maintains confidential information. For now he's working on priority tasks. When he's done he'll work on the mods. I don't know when, could be anywhere from few days to weeks. Sorry for the delay but there are priorities and it's not all in my control.

Steve,

May I ask why you're not a millionaire already and happily retired living on a desert island after selling these Roulette Computers for over a decade now?

Quote from: caspian on Aug 11, 05:10 AM 2016
Steve,

May I ask why you're not a millionaire already and happily retired living on a desert island after selling these Roulette Computers for over a decade now?

It's like asking Andy phelps why he is not retired from the game and competing in another olympics after getting 18 medals and the title of most decorated Olympian ever. Also don't assume he is not a millionaire. Lol.

More appropriate question would be like the ones asked by Denzie on the actual capabilities of product being sold - my opinion.

Quote from: caspian on Aug 11, 05:10 AM 2016
Steve, May I ask why you're not a millionaire already and happily retired living on a desert island after selling these Roulette Computers for over a decade now?

Your question might seem logical, but actually its from incorrect assumptions. Why would any comfortable person continue to work?

I could just live from investments. That would be very boring. A few of the things I do are:

1. Roulette, including profit split partnerships and sales.

2. Development of technology for food production, eco housing, water harvesting etc. Some of it is explained at landsharing.org and yourway.org.au but its a fragment if the story. I invest a lot of time and money in it.

3. Various other businesses unrelated to roulette.

Also dont assume a winning system means instant millions. You cant just win millions overnight. Well you can, but not in common conditions without backlash. Winnings need to be smaller and more discrete, but there have still been great weeks with around $100k. The tax man takes half, I cant avoid tax in my case as its a business venture. I still have bills, but they arent small ones.

And dont assume its all about money. Money doesnt motivate everyone. It doesnt mean I give it all away free to undeserving people. I sell less effective technology, unless its the hybrid for US$80k, and use the best technology with my own teams.

There are many misconceptions about what I do, and what everything is really like. Sometimes I want to reveal all, but its nowhere near worth doing that yet, just to rub in noses of a few idiots. In any case, its not hard for any serious player to find the truth.

More than sales, I value serious teams who work with me. They pay me nothing up front, and pay later from winnings. If any serious player wants to see if Im for real, visit me.

Hello any news about the free trial Steve?

No if you check my blog all the updates are about hybrid software. The programmer working on those are the priority for now. The required mods for the trial will definitely be done but the priority work needs to be done first. I cant easily estimate when because I dont control the programmer's schedule.

The jaa trial software is done. Now what's left to do is:

1. New page explaining the terms
2. Modified instructions for trial version
3. Setting up new encryption server, and jaa server specifically for trial version

I dont know when I'll have time for this, but it wont be this week. Maybe not even the 2 weeks after. I'll see if partners can do any of this sooner.

Good news!I m waiting...

Quote from: Aggelos Aggelos on Sep 05, 02:37 AM 2016
Good news!I m waiting...

a young arnold avatar. i like it

Quote from: caspian on Aug 11, 05:10 AM 2016
Steve,

May I ask why you're not a millionaire already and happily retired living on a desert island after selling these Roulette Computers for over a decade now?

12 posts, attacking Steve....boring.

A past poster from a roulette board (or here). These guys cant even wait til they get up to 400 posts, then attack/question.

Ken

Quote from: Turner on Jun 29, 04:58 AM 2016
Not so fast....

I dont believe we are the only life form in the universe. What I do believe is this:

We have been here as humans for around 100,000 years

Human-like apes around 5 million. Its nothing at all in the grand scheme.

Earths been here in this solar system 4.5 billion years. Thats roughly a third of the age of the whole universe.

So many wierd factors have got us here
Our Sun catagory
Our distance from sun
Our moon
Our orbit
the angle we spin at
The rate we spin at
Water on the planet
Massive solar wind deflecting Magnetic field
Not being hit by something size of Texas every 10 years
and on
and on....x 1,000,000

I didnt even mention chemistry and biology

Where we are today is almost impossible. So almost impossible it could be considered a one off.

Dont glibly disregard what I just said.

So, I will stretch it a bit and say its a one off in each galaxy. That still gives 170 billion sophisticated ecosystems like ours in the observable universe
its not ridiculous or stupid to say all those odds amount to 200 billion to 1. The amount of stars in a galaxy

But we arnt being visited by any of them

Yes we are not alone in the grand scale of things but Roswell and UFOs are bunkum.

goldilocks zone

drake equation

so many variables. most likely life in the universe is not carbon based like we are

each galaxy most likely has millions of habitable planets. and an unlimited about of galaxies....do the math there

.. and there's the possibility of infinite dimensions, and expansion. Who knows what else there is. Just enjoy the ride.

For anyone interested in a trial of my roulette system, it's now available. See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/free-trial/

There are three options:

TRIAL 1: 5-Day Trial of the JAA Mobile Phone Software For $1
TRIAL 2: Free Email Course To Beat Roulette
TRIAL 3: Free Trial Roulette Computer

Plus if you're interested in the roulette computers, and are a serious player (ideally with a team), you can get my hybrid roulette computer for $0.00 up-front (because that's the type of scammer I am). Details are at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/

Sorry it took so long to get sorted with the JAA trial. Some parts needed to be removed and adjusted to maintain secrets, and the programmer was busy with other things.

I'm working on fridays and weekends.  I hope the JAA offer through PayPal  stays at least until Monday so I can purchase and test on online live roulette

Hey Steve i just paid,when i ll have access to the software?

Hi, I manage accounts weekdays so tomorrow. I don't work weekends, I just msg on phone sometimes.

Ok,i m waiting...

@Steve
We still need 50 spins per direction for analysis in the JAA trial? I also intend to use it on my account on betfair using the live wheels on the site?

Are there any suggested different sites or betfair and others will also do the job?  :thumbsup:

With that version, it's possible to have an edge after the 3rd or so spin. Basically the edge will increase slowly over time, although it will still fluctuate. After 50 or so spins per direction, the edge will likely be reasonable but still increasing. But as the instructions explain, testing over 100, 500 or even 1,000 may not give conclusive results, because even random bets can win over 1,000 spins.

I dont want to advise specific casinos so I'm not accused of being an affiliate. Basically give preference to real wheels with real dealer. If you play an auto wheel, avoid the cammegh slingshot. You can beat maybe 5% of them. It depends on the individual wheel and its settings.

Hi Steve. Downloaded and installed successfully the OpenVPN and the JAA app on my phone for the JAA Software 5-days trial.

I thought though the procedure of JAA was not like Visual Ballistics that you observe the number under dominant diamond as reference and then input the winning number per spin. As it describes also on the video on your site (link:://:.roulettephysics.com/cross-referencing/  and link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=qB6D7KRqepo )with JAA you simply write down winning numbers (about 50 per direction), you then just login to the software and enter the winning numbers. No observing reference dominant diamonds, no sharp eyes (hard on online live wheel, without full image of the wheel or not so much HD), no clicking on phone sound button per spin etc.

Why does this 1$ JAA Trial that I installed needs procedures of VB techniques (clocking wheel, entering numbers, sharp watching numbers above diamonds as the rotor is still spinning) and not JAA, just entering the winning per direction  spins to the software?


Am I doing something wrong?  :-\

Thanks for any reply :)

The purpose of the trial is so you can see for yourself what's involved. The trial doesnt include all the instructions and procedures of the full version, but the full version isnt much more complicated. You could just ignore additional procedures and still have success, but that's not the proper way to play. For example, you could play on a wheel without assessing scatter, but its much better to know the scatter before playing. That way you can focus on wheels that are likely best.

The video is just a brief introduction. A more detailed explanation of what's involved is at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/frequently-asked-questions/ - there's lots of information, but for example:

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If you want to make it ultra simple, then just skip the scatter reference part. And enter the last winning number as scatter reference. Skip everything except for winning number input. The server automatically tries to find patterns with whatever data you give it. Do I recommend shortcuts? No. The more shortcuts you take, the less data there is to cross reference, and the lower your chance of success.

I totally agree with BellagioOwner.We need some easier road to do that.Like your website when we want to see if our wheels are beatable we send you our numbers and you send us back how profitable is our wheel.We need something like that to do the job otherwise it s so difficult.I think if you do that all we can pay more than 1$!Thanks.

I can only do what is "possible". Again the more shortcuts you take, the less likely you are to succeed.

Quote from: Aggelos Aggelos on Oct 24, 11:29 PM 2016Like your website when we want to see if our wheels are beatable we send you our numbers and you send us back how profitable is our wheel.

Yes I already have that. But let's say I responded "yeah your wheel is great, you can easily beat it!". Then how do you know I'm actually telling you the truth? And even if I made such an assessment automated, how can you know it isnt all faked somehow? You cant.

That's why the best proof I can give is just let you test for yourself.

So. Is the full version of the JAA not using tracking like this trial and like visual ballistics. I though that we could have a trial of the software.

Let me clarify.  All I say is that with not the ease of the full version system,without knowing if the roulette wheel(s) we chose are possibly profitable by any percent (so as to know what to expect and not possible random results as a proof of the edge that we expect per wheel), with having to observe/track more than 50-100 spins per direction for more accurate results (if we have even luckily found a good enough wheel), with all these process to be done online for faster results (due to 5day limit) and without even full clear look at the wheel (due to online) this trial software can't be really counted as good test and trial of the JAA.

Trying to test 3-4 wheels at random to find a good one without indication, with having to observe closely online 50-100+ spins per wheel and to make enough bets (1000s+) after all these so as to know that the software works (profit from real edge)  and it's not just the random profit random fluctuation of 18 bets per spin we DEFINITELY need more than 5 days or a more accurate trial of the software.

I had no intention to make money and millions form the trial of course, but with all these obstacles it cant even be fairly tested which was its purpose.

I purchased it on Sunday and right after I followed the suggestion on my email and gathered past spins from live wheels. Hundreds of them to have them ready. Thought I could enter the first of them per direction on the software and see what it would suggest me to bet for the next of my noted spins. I had not even purpose to play it on real money. Just wanted to test and test and check it on my live wheel past numbers. That would be the clear testing :)

But having to observe live (so also slow)new spins and diamond references without even having for sure a good wheel, repeat the process 3-4 times for other wheels also and then start using the predictions all these in 5 days. Tough for testing.

I don;t believe you are a scammer Steve. No. Really. I like your approaches and I appreciate the free trials that real scammers won't offer and I trust the laws of physics (aka use of them on your softwares). :thumbsup:

But under these conditions I think it can't be conducted a proper test and trial  :-\

The full version includes MORE validations and work. Like for example scatter assessment, because it is not good to take shortcuts. That's just how things are. Again I can only do what's possible. My site provides lots of information on whats involved. If you find the trial JAA too much, then the full version is not for you.

Sure you can test any system over 500 or 1000 spins. But that's not proper testing. You would have known that before the trial anyway.

As the instructions state:

Any meaningful test requires thousands of spins. Most online casinos with real wheels spin twice every minute. So if you test 8 hours each day for 3 days, that’s approximately 3,000 spins to test with. Simply the more testing you do, the more likely you'll see a profit.

Yes you need to test each spin manually, one by one. The full version allows you to just import data to more easily "bulk test", but you still need data from each individual spin. Not just past winning numbers. Again you could use just numbers alone, but then the software has limited information to cross reference.

I suggest just test as many spins as you can. The more the better. Sitting at online wheels for 3 x 8hr shifts is ample for reasonable testing.

The Android version is only designed to be applied at the wheel, so there are no betting charts and its as simple as possible. The downside is you don't have an "import data" feature. But even if you did, like the web version, you'd still need to get data from each spin one by one. And the data you need is more than just past spins. This is explained on the FAQs page.

I always try to make it as clear as possible what's involved, but I rely on everyone carefully reading everything I've written. The FAQs page has the most detailed information.

Ooh I see I'm to late. Was on holiday. So anyone tried the JAA ?

I did. Total Scam.

Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 07:50 AM 2016
I did. Total Scam.

Why this ridiculous answer?

1st time looked in here and only reason i have, is,i see Denzie posted and was interested to see what he said, as he has mentioned going to try your computer.
So why a total scam, don't mean anything to me as not looked at any of the previous >:D

Denzie, because i don't take many things seriously. And if anyone wants to find the truth about my technology, with first hand experience, its quite easy.

So if i get this right...
It needs about 3000spins but at the online casinos you cant  see the wheel good. (Camera always changes or other reason)
So best is the real b&m which could take ages.

Then it requires visual ballistics such as scatter , dominant diamonds , etc....

So then its basicly the same with or without the JAA if someone master the visual ballistic skilss.

IMO then its better to buy nothing or your roulette computers
Thx for this info

It has visual elements but doesn't require perfect view of wheel. The worst view online is dublinbet, and that's fine. You don't need things like dominant diamond observation but of course it helps to play easier wheels. More data is usually best. often some data is overkill. There are alternatives if you can't even see diamonds.

The web version software requires 150-300 spins per direction but can still be used with much less if you know what shortcuts you can take. You can take many shortcuts but that's not a good way to play. 

The mobile version typically starts producing edge after just few spins on the right wheel. The more you play the stronger the edge.  Maximum edge is reached at 50-80 spins depending on wheel.

If you master vb including methods to deal with rotor speed changes, in the right but rare conditions, it is better than jaa. But most people find such vb near impossible, and the conditions too rare. It's not the same as vb with same wheel speed. Plus with vb, you must bet after ball release. If you want late betting, roulette computers effortlessly do what a vb player struggles to do right. And computers have many other advantages. Vb always being legal is not a big advantage because there are lots of legal places for computers

All things considered, jaa is still a better option than vb. Otherwise teaching vb would be my focus.

But best of all are the computers and you can get my best one free and pay from winnings. See :.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/

Steve,

Interested in buying your JAA system! Ideally a trial would be good first!

Can you advise please?

Thanks

Hi, there is a trial but pls contact me via my site about it, not the forum

Just jizzed ya, how long we going to keep this up :twisted:

Don't underestimate me. Admin has far more jizz than anyone.

Quote from: Steve on Jan 08, 05:01 AM 2017
Don't underestimate me. Admin has far more jizz than anyone.

Must have a lot of wankers then >:D

Im certain I deal with more wankers than anyone. Surely that what you meant.

Quote from: Steve on Jan 08, 05:51 AM 2017
Im certain I deal with more wankers than anyone. Surely that what you meant.

Although......to be fair........much less now that Caleb and Ken are gone. :thumbsup:

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Quote from: Steve on Jan 08, 04:51 AM 2017
Hi, there is a trial but pls contact me via my site about it, not the forum

Not familiar with any of this.

Where is the site?

Roulettephysics.com is a starting point from what I have read before.

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 08, 11:56 PM 2017
Roulettephysics.com is a starting point from what I have read before.

That's what I probably thought. I read through some of the things, and it looked like
there was a lot of tracking and calculating, to be simplistic.

But Steve makes it sound like there's a simpler way.

I guess I'm old, but I'm past white knuckling it.

Quote from: thelaw on Jan 08, 01:51 PM 2017
Although......to be fair........much less now that Caleb and Ken are gone. :thumbsup:

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