Here as promised one of my today's sessions.
As I said I play a mix of GUT, KTF, WTF and other numbers based systems.
In general I look at the trott and follow the trend, if unsure I don't bet.
I will also post loosing sessions. But may be a long wait for one to happen. :twisted:
R.
Will be following this....if you would give some explanation on the way it would be great :thumbsup:
Explanations are in the Excel file
Little questions when reading the excel:
What bankroll are you using?
I see that you bet for 1 repeater, is this the WTF? In that case why doesn't you play for more?
What progression are you using for WTF? Flatbet or?
Win goal?
KTF, I see that you are betting for unhits. How many times?
Win goal?
What progression are you using for KTF? Flatbet or?
Thanks
-Tuddilue
That is the judment component of may game play. The clearer the situation and the trott is the more aggressive I attack.
No bet if unclear, flat bet if I think I know what is going on, Level bets (2u or 3u or 4u or 5u or even higer) and 2 to 3 step Martingale if I'm very confident about my jugement.
May favourites are fast trotts and they are most profitable. Second are slow trotts and least are normal trotts.
The trott is assessed after every spin.
I can run that game with 100u.
Wingoal: none and as much as the trott gives me. Can be 30u or 250u
If assessment is wrong two times in situations of high certainty I jump 10-15 numbers or change wheel.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jun 28, 04:56 AM 2016
That is the judment component of may game play. The clearer the situation and the trott is the more aggressive I attack.
No bet if unclear, flat bet if I think I know what is going on, Level bets (2u or 3u or 4u or 5u or even higer) and 2 to 3 step Martingale if I'm very confident about my jugement.
May favourites are fast trotts and they are most profitable. Second are slow trotts and least are normal trotts.
The trott is assessed after every spin.
I can run that game with 100u.
Wingoal: none and as much as the trott gives me. Can be 30u or 250u
If assessment is wrong two times in situations of high certainty I jump 10-15 numbers or change wheel.
Thanks!
Interesting how you handle it gives me a lot of ideas.
For me I have focused on Normal or Slow trots not Fast trots. But I will with your kind of game.
I usually plays only WTF and for the crossings. I almost never play KTF or unhits that Winkel is calling it.
But I will and your level bets are clever.
I uses the progression +1/-1 but only if everything is pointing in the correct way.
How many spins do you play before you jump? 60 or?
I usually play 36 I think it is easier to handle..
- Tuddilue
Quote from: Rolletti on Jun 27, 12:54 PM 2016In general I look at the trott and follow the trend, if unsure I don't bet.
Rolletti as you observe a trot what is the longest you have seen the 11th non-hit take to come in, would it be say 3 spins or 6 spins,maybe 9 spins?
Nice "tracker". You coded it by yourself? ?
Quote from: praline on Jun 28, 12:05 PM 2016
Nice "tracker". You coded it by yourself? ?
:.g-u-t.co
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 28, 11:04 AM 2016
Rolletti as you observe a trot what is the longest you have seen the 11th non-hit take to come in, would it be say 3 spins or 6 spins,maybe 9 spins?
Do you mean something like that?
11th unhit at e.g. spin 19?
It's rear but I saw it already at least one time.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jun 28, 03:36 PM 2016Do you mean something like that?
11th unhit at e.g. spin 19?
Yes.
Using airball from Jackpot247.com, longest seen to hit is 5 spins, do you take in to account known max to hit when watching a trot.
Yes I do. But I would bet the repeaters in such an extreme slow trott instead of the unhit.
If the trend would change clearly I would bet the unhit aggressively.
Curious if you can add an new example like you did in the first post with an excel file?
Maybe a fast trott.
Can you also add the spin number and how your bankroll is moving on each row in the excel file?
Thanks
-Tuddilue
A slow trott session.
Did not get a fast one. Will post when I get one.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jun 29, 01:32 PM 2016
A slow trott session.
Did not get a fast one. Will post when I get one.
Thanks!
Interesting to see how you do it.
- Tuddilue
As GUT is not a mechanical system there area lot of psychological facts involved and make sometimes the difference between winning and losing.
Do I really play according to what I see? Or do I place the bets where I just "think" the next hit will be?
To be not "sure" about a bet may be based on the contradicting facts of the trott or simply on a bad feeling caused by the dissonance between conlusion of logic and thoughts or believes about what should happen next.
The better someone is able to see and analyse the facts and also act according to them the better are the results of the game play.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jun 30, 03:48 AM 2016
As GUT is not a mechanical system there area lot of psychological facts involved and make sometimes the difference between winning and losing.
Do I really play according to what I see? Or do I place the bets where I just "think" the next hit will be?
To be not "sure" about a bet may be based on the contradicting facts of the trott or simply on a bad feeling caused by the dissonance between conlusion of logic and thoughts or believes about what should happen next.
The better someone is able to see and analyse the facts and also act according to them the better are the results of the game play.
You always have the choice to not bet. When you are not sure then do not bet. You can always jump and start over with the trott.
Then you always have the feeling of greed. When you are betting and all is going as you think it would. Then it is hard to stop because of the feeling of greed. Can of course also happen if you loose a lot and want to win it back...
So the best tips is to not bet when you are not sure what is happening...
Good post by the way!
-Tuddilue
Most gambler not in control, chase loss and lose more. Rare find player who not gambler, hide self well. He who in control winner always.
Please Winkel keep your comments about my game play for yourself. The tracker is the best one I ever saw to display the trott.
I don't play the GUT bet strategy in the same way as you do, which is still no invitation for your comments.
Thank you!
Quote from: Rolletti on Jun 30, 03:48 AM 2016
As GUT is not a mechanical system there area lot of psychological facts involved and make sometimes the difference between winning and losing.
Do I really play according to what I see? Or do I place the bets where I just "think" the next hit will be?
To be not "sure" about a bet may be based on the contradicting facts of the trott or simply on a bad feeling caused by the dissonance between conlusion of logic and thoughts or believes about what should happen next.
The better someone is able to see and analyse the facts and also act according to them the better are the results of the game play.
This is exactly what I am telling and praying since 2006. It´s my original explanation. And it was damned, because there are no ironclad rules but psychological parts in it.
And as long as you use my phrases, my way of tracking, my idea of crossings, my ideas of "watch what is going on" you play MY STRATEGY. KTF and WTF are only found because of my explanations, statistic work and developments. If there hadn´t been 0s; 1s; >1s and the trot-design, there hadn´t been that two ways.
These two ways are only a part of my mentioned "extended way of playing GUT". It had been played in the German forum "DC-Campus" and Numbers were given by "AlbertM". Unfortunately this Forum is down and I can´t give the link to that.
And therefore there is not even the right of the thief to complain about my comments.
BTW they have been not in this thread.
Are you calling me a thief because I play 0x, 1x, and 2x?
Quote from: winkel on Today at 06:25:45 PM
But it will (for sure) be used to "confirm" that GUT doesn´t work! I know these kind of efforts.
And by the way you are wrong. Actually I'm promoting GUT as I'm a winner with it.
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Quote from: Rolletti on Jun 30, 03:03 PM 2016
Are you calling me a thief because I play 0x, 1x, and 2x?
You not understand Mr Winkel, he refer owner :.g-u-t.co as thief. You owner :.g-u-t.co?
Quote from: dimsun on Jun 30, 07:38 PM 2016
You not understand Mr Winkel, he refer owner :.g-u-t.co as thief. You owner :.g-u-t.co?
No I'm not the owner. But I was complaining about his negative and destructive comment in his blog over there.
Quote from: winkel link=?topic=17142.msg160114#msg160114
Sirs,
I read some quotes of "roletti" using this tracker.
I wanna express: I found some misleading and falty declarations in the way GUT is played.
The tracker is a tracker only, it does not play GUT. But I play a strategy remotely based on GUT. So the
falty and
misleading can only be directed towards me.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 30, 06:27 PM 2016
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What's about with that spins?
Nice straight forward trott.
Looks like an RNG based on statistics.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jul 01, 12:13 AM 2016
The tracker is a tracker only, it does not play GUT. But I play a strategy remotely based on GUT. So the falty and misleading can only be directed towards me.
Think comment not direct at you. If memory correct Mr Winkel not happy with owner of :.g-u-t.co. Him think thief and not play GUT correct. Try discourage buy.
You seem play OK Rolletti.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jul 01, 12:25 AM 2016
What's about with that spins?
Nice straight forward trott.
Looks like an RNG based on statistics. from multi player, spins 21-30 my interest
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 30, 06:27 PM 2016
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I have finally recorded a normal to fast trot for you. I just want to make clear and anderstood before some body jumps in and tells me that is not GUT, or not KTF, or what ever.
This is my way how I play trots that are normal or fast.
Specialty here is the no matter what +1unit progression.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Rolletti on Jul 09, 10:57 AM 2016
I have finally recorded a normal to fast trot for you. I just want to make clear and anderstood before some body jumps in and tells me that is not GUT, or not KTF, or what ever.
This is my way how I play trots that are normal or fast.
Specialty here is the no matter what +1unit progression.
:thumbsup:
Thanks Rolletti!
So no matter what you bet +1 unit progression. But on the crossings you start bet from 1 and then you do +1 no matter what? Then you stop when the crossing happens.
Is it easy to make an example on the bets you did?
- Tuddilue
I guess you missread the screenshots. At the first crossing there is a red 10$ chip under the 1$ chip.
In a fast trot I don't bother much with crossings. As long as it stays fast I keep betting unhit with +1u after every spin.
The fact of a fast trot and the decreasing numbers being bet with increasing amounts of units will give a nice profit of around 1000u a some point. I mostly stop then or wait for the 1x to start hitting and stay with them for some more wins.
Unfortunately the fast trots are rare. :twisted:
Quote from: Rolletti on Jul 10, 02:31 AM 2016
I guess you missread the screenshots. At the first crossing there is a red 10$ chip under the 1$ chip.
In a fast trot I don't bother much with crossings. As long as it stays fast I keep betting unhit with +1u after every spin.
The fact of a fast trot and the decreasing numbers being bet with increasing amounts of units will give a nice profit of around 1000u a some point. I mostly stop then or wait for the 1x to start hitting and stay with them for some more wins.
Unfortunately the fast trots are rare. :twisted:
Aha now I see it. I just saw your excel screenshots not the roulette pictures. So now I see your bets.
Impressive!
Thanks
- Tuddilue
How do you handle a changing Trott?
The Trott you presented goes from:
Normal-> fast
But how do you handle a:
Normal->slow
When do you decide to start bet the 1x?
-Tuddilue
There exist a couple more changing trotts, how do you handle the other? Some tips?
Normal -> slow
Normal -> fast
slow -> normal
slow -> fast
fast -> normal
fast -> slow
- Tuddilue
Many questions. My answer in general is to stop betting if in doubt what the trot is doing and continue when sure about it again or jump. I just follow the advice of winkel.
If you want a more detailed tip you can post a string of spin results so we can compare our decisions.
Yes I understand what you mean. I also studies the trot all the time. For me I usually plays WTF and some crossings.
For me the biggest issue is how to bet the 0x? I mean they are so expensive if you choose the wrong trott. Specially if you bet with 1 unit more every time.
I got burned a couple of times on KTF, but now that I have learned GUT. I feel more confident in playing the 0x again. I think your play is interesting. I will post 40 spins in my next post.
- Tuddilue
This I think you will like. It is a fast trott that goes slow.
RNG spins from bwin 20160716
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If you want I can of course answer how I played them...
- Tuddilue
Here is my game of your spins. You are right I liked it. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Rolletti on Jul 17, 01:26 AM 2016
Here is my game of your spins. You are right I liked it. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the play!
I think it is interesting that you stops after 2 looses, analyzes and continue betting. Yes the crossing 0 vs >0 came but it is really early.
For me I stopped at spin 17 with a profit of 44.
I was thinking of start betting the 1x. Everything pointed towards them coming. But I was not sure so I was satisfied with my small win.
One question I have is when you decide to switch to 1x you just continues with the same bet and +1? I mean you do not restart the progression? I'm also curious of your bankroll.
I'm impressed of your analyzes and learned a lot.
Thanks!
- Tuddilue
For the +1 progression I prepare a bank of 1000 u.
But I guess I would have won also flat bet that session.
If I'm sure about the 1x correction I continue the +1 prog. Of course you can switch to flat bet at any time if you are happy with the profit.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jul 17, 04:27 AM 2016
For the +1 progression I prepare a bank of 1000 u.
But I guess I would have won also flat bet that session.
If I'm sure about the 1x correction I continue the +1 prog. Of course you can switch to flat bet at any time if you are happy with the profit.
Thanks! Yes that is my feeling of bankroll. Especially when playing so aggressive as this is. I will try it. Maybe have some more questions later :wink:
-Tuddilue
This is a slow trott that I had difficulty in playing. I'm interesting to see what your opinion is about it?
40 spins RNG Bwin 20160723
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Thanks
-Tuddilue
Sorry for late reply, I did not look in here for a while.
Had a look at the trot and it was not easy for me to play either.
Find attached my game.
Quote from: tuddilue on Jul 23, 07:48 AM 2016
This is a slow trott that I had difficulty in playing. I'm interesting to see what your opinion is about it?
40 spins RNG Bwin 20160723
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Thanks
-Tuddilue
Must have missed this, with Priyankas tracker, bail out with the 1 unit
Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 17 37
2 18 36
3 14 35
4 21 34
5 36 33
6 28 32
7 21 R 31
8 27 31
9 30 30
10 35 29
11 27 R 28 1 -28 -28
12 33 28 2 16 -12
13 21 R 27 1 -27 -39
14 18 R 27 2 -54 -93
15 9 27 3 27 -66
16 25 26 2 20 -46
17 10 25 1 11 -35
18 6 24 1 12 -23
19 14 R 23 1 -23 -46
20 14 R 23 2 -46 -92
21 9 R 23 3 -69 -161
22 30 R 23 4 -92 -253
23 26 23 5 65 -188
24 27 R 22 4 -88 -276
25 4 22 5 70 -206
26 31 21 4 60 -146
27 18 R 20 3 -60 -206
28 10 R 20 4 -80 -286
29 14 R 20 5 -100 -386
30 7 20 6 96 -290
31 18 R 19 5 -95 -385
32 13 19 6 102 -283
33 1 18 5 90 -193
34 22 17 4 76 -117
35 35 R 16 3 -48 -165
36 9 R 16 4 -64 -229
37 23 16 5 100 -129
38 29 15 4 84 -45
39 14 R 14 3 -42 -87
40 20 14 4 88 1
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Quote from: Rolletti on Jul 30, 10:53 AM 2016
Sorry for late reply, I did not look in here for a while.
Had a look at the trot and it was not easy for me to play either.
Find attached my game.
No problem answer when you can.
Yes a hard trott. I think the 7 RX was really extreme. It should be around 3 RX.
Interesting to see that you also bet the 2x.
Thanks for the analysis!
- Tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 30, 12:26 PM 2016
Must have missed this, with Priyankas tracker, bail out with the 1 unit
Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 17 37
2 18 36
3 14 35
4 21 34
5 36 33
6 28 32
7 21 R 31
8 27 31
9 30 30
10 35 29
11 27 R 28 1 -28 -28
12 33 28 2 16 -12
13 21 R 27 1 -27 -39
14 18 R 27 2 -54 -93
15 9 27 3 27 -66
16 25 26 2 20 -46
17 10 25 1 11 -35
18 6 24 1 12 -23
19 14 R 23 1 -23 -46
20 14 R 23 2 -46 -92
21 9 R 23 3 -69 -161
22 30 R 23 4 -92 -253
23 26 23 5 65 -188
24 27 R 22 4 -88 -276
25 4 22 5 70 -206
26 31 21 4 60 -146
27 18 R 20 3 -60 -206
28 10 R 20 4 -80 -286
29 14 R 20 5 -100 -386
30 7 20 6 96 -290
31 18 R 19 5 -95 -385
32 13 19 6 102 -283
33 1 18 5 90 -193
34 22 17 4 76 -117
35 35 R 16 3 -48 -165
36 9 R 16 4 -64 -229
37 23 16 5 100 -129
38 29 15 4 84 -45
39 14 R 14 3 -42 -87
40 20 14 4 88 1
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Yes notto. This trott is strange but I think the averages is not so extreme.
9/10
5+-0
4-1
6+1
Obviously a slow trott but the averages is alright...
- Tuddilue