No method here yet....the beginning of a theory
How often will lots of double streets repeat in batches of 3, or 4, or 5, or 6....here I will do batches of 5. I will not advocate for any steep 5 double street bet progressions, I just want to see if something can work here
This is a zumma page....
The green is where we would have won in the series of 5 betting for the previous 5 lines/double streets not to repeat. SO first example below, 3 2 4 6 1, next spin we bet all double streets/lines accept for the 3rd double street/line
ALL first try wins....can this win flat bet even with the occasional 0 or loss?
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If we bet once in the series of 5 then sit out the next 4 spins then begin again
AND
the average win is say 7 wins to every 1 loss, then would yield profit of +2
AND
those 7 wins being in batches of 5, 7 times 5 spin batches, 35 spins total...average 2 units per hour....JUST a theory right now
relax, there is no "we" I am hypothetically speaking :twisted:
Hi RG
Hope you are doing fine. Is moving to the new house complete now?
Lately I learned from Pri something interesting about lines. Maybe this will be interesting to you too. You just have to find the best way how to exploit that here.
Probability of getting 3 unique double streets or the double streets not being the same is over 55%. Surprising, but that is the truth. So chances of getting 124, 136, etc where all double streets are different are better than chances of getting 121, 333, 223, 144
Maybe this can help?
Cheers
thanks drazen
yes completely in now...a journey that was
yes interesting how the DS work....however even if we had an ALMOST guarantee, 5 DS progressions get too steep too fast
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 18, 06:38 PM 2016
thanks drazen
yes completely in now...a journey that was
yes interesting how the DS work....however even if we had an ALMOST guarantee, 5 DS progressions get too steep too fast
Based on what you said perhaps after 2 different lines in a row bet the other 4 lines once. Something like that. Since the chances of a differrent one is greater
Yeah but not sure if playing like this will be enough for us. Variance is still tough.
We must do something more I think.
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Jul 18, 07:01 PM 2016
Yeah but not sure if playing like this will be enough for us. Variance is still tough.
We must do something more I think.
Cheers
Agreed. Cannot be that easy of course
I do fancy the wins in my theory
here it is...
Flat bet 1st column only (1st bet of 5 spin series only) yields +4 units
I will be a monkeys uncle, average is 7 wins to every 1 loss...this graphic is about 2 hours real life play taken from zumma
FLAT BET...or if you live dangerously, if lose on first try go for a 2nd try with an increase
(link:://i63.tinypic.com/2q33arp.png)
(link:s://media.giphy.com/media/Szjq86fZxNjoY/giphy.gif)
More tests to come
I have a feeling im just getting lucky
But liking what im seeing
Upon further testing
In grids of 5 in a row like above
I do not see a repeat of 2 in a row let alone 3 in a row
Such as
4 5 5 1 2
2 2 5 1 3
Where you bet against 5 decisions back and lose twice in a row due to the repeat, see example above 5 and 1 would have lost, not seeing that with real wheel numbers
O0
What im saying is if you bet against the double street/line that hit 5 decisions back, it seems to me to be rare to have 2 losses in a row.
In fact with the real numbers i have tested i have not seen it
Theory continues
So you put them in a 5 wide matrix?
And bet it does not repeat the above
Im not claiming HG
Its just a theory right now
I tested it with first bet in the matrix only as well. Flat bet. Worked.
I test by only betting the first spin then sitting out the next 4 spins
And i also test by betting every spin against above
First spin only then sitting out the next 4 wins flat
7 wins to 1 loss yields profit even betting 30 numbers
Can the random roulette wheel produce the same double street series every 5 spins.
Nope.
continuing to test the theory of the roulette wheel not spitting out exact double street/line patterns
in the matrix of 5 across, playing horizontally here is a chart with some red boxes
each red box is a repeat from 5 back (above)
as you can see there is not 2 reds in a row horizontally. so if we did have a repeat of a line 5 spin later, chances are the next spin will not produce another repeat of the line 5 spins back
trigger is a bad bad word here lately but it seems that when we do have a repeating line 5 back and we use that as a trigger to not have a repeat the next spin we have ourselves a decent bet
will the wheel produce:
51362
51362
yes it could but how often?
yes my theory is betting against the line that hit 5 spins back, lol
by the way in the chart below if we just flat bet continuously with no progression that the line 5 spins back would not repeat we would have +21 (not counting zeros). 66 wins, 9 losses. each win +1, each loss -5
obviously some type of zero insurance needed, perhaps a break even insurance
(link:://i68.tinypic.com/20awh7n.png)
so for now I will continue to test simply:
betting against the line that hit 5 spins back, with no progression, flat bet only.
will see where this goes
Matrix flat bet tactic
In laymens terms
If i was to flat bet here is how I'd play
Testing shows much success
-Look at history board
-Bet against line that hit 5 spins back
-Win or lose sit out next 4 spins
-Then look 5 spins back and bet against the line that hit
-Repeat
FLAT BET
If i was preaching betting 5 lines/30 numbers with progression I would be irresponsible
Flat bet is more responsible
So 1 bet every 5 spins. Why not bet each spin ?
Quote from: denzie on Jul 21, 10:30 AM 2016
So 1 bet every 5 spins. Why not bet each spin ?
Because each column individually has few repeats
*whistles*
RG
Some rng just got back +75 units. heres your ds #'s to see if machine of death can catch you
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Very nice notto
Yup
Whatever the DS was 5 spins ago i bet against it
yes a loss in -5 units and a win is +1 unit
however, in my tests so far the wins overcome the losses
to the point where a progression can be used...but i will not advocate for progression. dont do as i do
I tried it at Celtic Casino *alternating bw the American Wheel
and the European Wheel one unit wins*. 10 wins out of 10.
Good hit and run system imo-
On one wheel only play, I like to play a one unit session, then wait for all
dozens or columns to hit once before starting the next one unit session.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 18, 06:46 PM 2016
Based on what you said perhaps after 2 different lines in a row bet the other 4 lines once. Something like that. Since the chances of a differrent one is greater
Too many numbers bet, you'll lose.
Ken
Any system that enables you to 'fire
your employer' is a good system imo.
This system has the potential.
$50 buy-in bankroll, $10 profit every six minutes (give or
take a minute)-two hours work you have earned 'a day's labor'.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 03, 02:54 AM 2016
Any system that enables you to 'fire
your employer' is a good system imo.
This system has the potential.
$50 buy-in bankroll, $10 profit every six minutes (give or
take a minute)-two hours work you have earned 'a day's labor'.
:thumbsup:
I always like to find weird bet selections
Ive tested against zumma and it wins
I like it
Ic you flat bet this method with large chip denominations you can win 2 units a day and be done
Quickly.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 12:57 PM 2016
Ic you flat bet this method with large chip denominations you can win 2 units a day and be done
Quickly.
You are making half my point (again I might add). Lets PRETEND this is a decent method (which its not)......and lets say you are correct regarding 2 large chip units per day, winning.
This is the part you must completely understand >> if you are NOT a person who would bet with LARGE units (thats 85% of the board), then this method is a loser regardless if its a winner!
:o What the f**k has Ken been smokin? Your testing MUST MATCH your ACTUAL CASINO (or online) EXPERIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The way you would play for REAL money MUST MATCH your TESTING PROTOCOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken
Ken
Im gonna be real honest
I dont care what you think.
Im having positive results testing against zumma and live wheels
Thats what i care about
(sub forum title: system players only)
Thank you
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 01:19 PM 2016
Ken
Im gonna be real honest
I dont care what you think.
Im having positive results testing against zumma and live wheels
Thats what i care about
The *RESULTS* are meaningless RG if you would NOT actually bet like this.
Learn RG, please learn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll make it extra simple for you.....I know more than you do.
Ken
I am a method player.
Advice taken
Thank you
Perhaps you should take heed then. This is system players sub forum
Your prescense is not required here
Since you have turned bitter and are close with caleb can you jus stick to the 🎥 ratings please
You are seriously a nuisance.
I am in between yourself (and crew) and Caleb.
Bitter? (lol) Trying to show you rookie and this is how I get treated? :P
Ken
Ken
You are bitter. Be a man and admit it
I dont mind being a fuc*in rookie
I play for fun
And if i win im happy
Whether i play 2 numbers or 30 numbers doesnt matter to me
Did a quick test..... :-\
Quote from: denzie on Sep 03, 02:30 PM 2016
Did a quick test..... :-\
I dont know what is wrong with that
That looks good to me
Profit and out
Cant expect only upward. Then It wouldnt be roulette
night out at the casino
$200 for the night im willing to lose. $5 chips
66 or so spins (real spins)
27
20
30
24
12
30 $200 bank. loss. -$25 down to $175 bank
33 +$5 $180
13 +$5 $185
28 +$5 $190
13 +$5 $195
13 +5 $200
29 +5 $205
29 +5 $210
21 +5 $215
20 +5 $220
15 -25 $195
36 +5 $200
4 +5 $205
0 -25 $180
5 +5 $185
5 +5 $190
29 +5 $195
23 +5 $200
15 no bet
10 +5 $205
11 +5 $210
26 +5 $215
36 +5 $220
27 +5 $225
18 +5 $230
1 +5 $235
17 +5 $240
35 -25 $215
8 +5 $220
6 +5 $225
31 +5 $230
5 +5 $235
22 +5 $240
5 +5 $245
10 +5 $250
33 -25 $225
23 +5 $230
20 -25 $205
8 +5 $210
26 +5 $215
24 +5 $220
35 +5 $225
9 +5 $230
5 +5 $235
5 +5 $240
23 -25 $215
17 $5 $220
9 -25 $195
21 +5 $200
26 +5 $205
36 +5 $210
10 +5 $215
24 +5 $220
10 +5 $225
11 +5 $230
13 +5 $235
27 +5 $240
1 +5 $245
31 +5 $250
9 -25 $225
1 +5 $230
Seems stable to me
Fun to play.
realistic because play every spin. no sitting out. just playing
flat bet
2 unit goal easily obtained
p.s. not advocating this but a 2 step progression would have made +51 unit haha 8)
I don't need a HG
I need stability
meets mr j criteria.. as in tested real spins. realistic time frame/number of spins. realistic bankroll
RG...I'm not trying to be Mr negative here...
But it doesn't work. I'm sorry.
Those 2 units you talk about.....sure till you sit down at the wrong moment. Variance will kill your br . Same as grassroots. Even triggers of 3-4-5 loss in a row will make it lose. But.....
If you like it and not play to big...sure why not. Have a fun night out. You most likely make bit profit. :thumbsup:
Cheers mate
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 03, 05:45 PM 2016
No, you need a psychiatrist and a new accountant.
Ken
Really really really don't care what you think
another set of 66 spins from live wheel.
betting against double street/line that hit 5 spins back
+5 on a win, -25 on a loss
$200 bank, $5 units
26
1
0
6
35
2 +5 $205
13 +5 $210
3 no bet
29 +5 $215
26 +5 $220
7 +5 $225
15 -25 $200
34 +5 $205
12 +5 $210
2 +5 $215
21 +5 $220
36 +5 $225
22 +5 $230
29 +5 $235
18 +5 $240
8 +5 $245
28 +5 $250
32 +5 $255
13 +5 $260
15 -25 $235
19 +5 $240
28 -25 $215
1 +5 $220
23 +5 $225
26 +5 $230
1 +5 $235
33 +5 $240
18 +5 $245
4 +5 $250
21 +5 $255
22 +5 $260
23 +5 $265
13 -25 $240
31 +5 $245
10 +5 $250
13 +5 $255
3 +5 $260
33 +5 $265
3 +5 $270
19 +5 $275
6 +5 $280
22 +5 $285
30 +5 $290
16 +5 $295
19 -25 $270
2 -25 $245
8 +5 $250
17 +5 $255
5 +5 $260
27 +5 $265
10 +5 $270
10 -25 $245
21 +5 $250
18 +5 $255
0 -25 $230
28 +5 $235
2 +5 $240
11 +5 $245
8 +5 $250
12 no bet
32 +5 $255
Going forward in this thread I will not be responding to trolling like Mr J has already done in this thread. (how was he approved to post in this section?).
Also, I will not be discussing if the method is good or not. Everyone is entitled to own opinion.
I will simply just be posting results of my real wheel and airball testing.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 06:38 PM 2016
another set of 66 spins from live wheel.
betting against double street/line that hit 5 spins back
+5 on a win, -25 on a loss
$200 bank, $5 units
26
1
0
6
35
2 +5 $205
13 +5 $210
3 no bet
29 +5 $215
26 +5 $220
7 +5 $225
15 -25 $200
34 +5 $205
12 +5 $210
2 +5 $215
21 +5 $220
36 +5 $225
22 +5 $230
29 +5 $235
18 +5 $240
8 +5 $245
28 +5 $250
32 +5 $255
13 +5 $260
15 -25 $235
19 +5 $240
28 -25 $215
1 +5 $220
23 +5 $225
26 +5 $230
1 +5 $235
33 +5 $240
18 +5 $245
4 +5 $250
21 +5 $255
22 +5 $260
23 +5 $265
13 -25 $240
31 +5 $245
10 +5 $250
13 +5 $255
3 +5 $260
33 +5 $265
3 +5 $270
19 +5 $275
6 +5 $280
22 +5 $285
30 +5 $290
16 +5 $295
19 -25 $270
2 -25 $245
8 +5 $250
17 +5 $255
5 +5 $260
27 +5 $265
10 +5 $270
10 -25 $245
21 +5 $250
18 +5 $255
0 -25 $230
28 +5 $235
2 +5 $240
11 +5 $245
8 +5 $250
12 no bet
32 +5 $255
Nice system for short term play. I would definitely flat bet. I had a similar method with dozens. Looking at your 2 trials, seems like a loss back to back is rare. Out of 16 losses, only 1 was followed by another loss...after a virtual loss would be a good time to jump in and start playing :)
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 03, 07:06 PM 2016
Nice system for short term play. I would definitely flat bet. I had a similar method with dozens. Looking at your 2 trials, seems like a loss back to back is rare. Out of 16 losses, only 1 was followed by another loss...after a virtual loss would be a good time to jump in and start playing :)
thanks
back to back loss very rare, ive tested most of zumma....
i agree with what you said
the spins im testing now are from ignatus, i thank him for the spins
flat betting 30 numbers with success seems too good to be true so I am just going with it :)
will eventually test an up as you win
scarface? SC eh?
was in myrtle last month
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 07:12 PM 2016
scarface? SC eh?
was in myrtle last month
Yes, I'm from upstate SC. I was at Myrtle around July 4th myself. Getting married on the beach in Cherry Grove in 3 weeks. It's about 20 min north of Mrytle.
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 03, 07:42 PM 2016
Yes, I'm from upstate SC. I was at Myrtle around July 4th myself. Getting married on the beach in Cherry Grove in 3 weeks. It's about 20 min north of Mrytle.
casinos are hard to come by down there....where do you go? delaware?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 07:54 PM 2016
casinos are hard to come by down there....where do you go? delaware?
Nah, I go to the Indian casino in Cherokee, NC. About a 2 hour drive.
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 03, 07:57 PM 2016
Nah, I go to the Indian casino in Cherokee, NC. About a 2 hour drive.
live dealer?
airball?
i have family in raleigh maybe ill go check it out
They usually comp me free rooms at the casino or local hotel. Also, get alot of mailings for free slot play. The only downside is drinks are not free.
good to know. i thought the carolinas was void of casinos
my cousin moved to raleigh ill let him know...maybe 2 hour drive from raleigh to
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 07:57 PM 2016
live dealer?
airball?
i have family in raleigh maybe ill go check it out
Live dealer tables. Table limit ranges from $5 to $20 depending on how busy. But they also have a live dealer area where bets are made on touchscreen monitors. This is where I play. Ball is spin roughly ever 45 seconds and minimum bets are $5. Max outside bets are $3000. Cool thing is you can sit out bets, and bet in whatever denomination you want ($1, 5, 25, etc). Betting different denominations at a table is pretty difficult to do.
Oh, you can also play 3 different live tables on the touchscreens
that's better then NY
im on long island..........the suburbs of NYC....casinos have been illegal here with the exception of "racinos"
we just got one in Queens, NY....its all airball and electronic...better then nothing for a night out though
NY has gotten approval for 7 full blown casinos....unfortunately the one in queens will not be receiving one of the 7 licenses
long island itself will be getting its first casino at a marriot hotel. no live dealer, as it is still illegal without a license. it will be all electronic and airball
airball is somehow a state loophole. because a human being is not spinning the ball
is this fair and random? we may never know
(link:://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.3429008.1325856088!/link:Image/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.JPG)
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 03, 07:59 PM 2016
They usually comp me free rooms at the casino or local hotel. Also, get alot of mailings for free slot play. The only downside is drinks are not free.
Most (if not all) of the Indian casinos, the drinks are not free.
Ken
the above picture is my local casino
a 35 minute drive into the five boroughs
lots of mutants there
Do you plan on leaving the house at all tonight RG?
I'm off to the casino, enjoy your testing.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 03, 08:22 PM 2016
Do you plan on leaving the house at all tonight RG?
I'm off to the casino, enjoy your testing.
Ken
nope
i siliconed a tiny water leak i had
a new electric service wire coming into house they did not seal it properly
i spent the day at home depot, repairing that
home ownership
some beer....and maybe ill play online roulette later
mr j.
respectfully
i want to keep this topic ON TOPIC
i do not care if you like it. i do not care what you think about it
test it and post the test or you are not welcome in this thread
another 66 spins
just about broken even
never two losses in a row
mogul i see you viewing
lets get a zumma test out what u think?
i need some wallpaper in my evening
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 03, 09:28 PM 2016
mogul i see you viewing
lets get a zumma test out what u think?
i need some wallpaper in my evening
You talkin' to meeeeeee?
YOU TALKIN TO MEEEEEEE?
A little confused. You said you were just playing one spin out of 5.
And it looks like you're playing every one.
Not that it means anything, but I just had a couple trips where
I got an unusual amount of zeros. doubles twice. And when you're
laying out a lot, that is dangerous. Just was playing with playing 11 streets.
Similar, just a bit hotter play.
I see your idea of no double losses. That sounds good.
Can you clarify?
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 03, 08:04 PM 2016
Live dealer tables. Table limit ranges from $5 to $20 depending on how busy. But they also have a live dealer area where bets are made on touchscreen monitors. This is where I play. Ball is spin roughly ever 45 seconds and minimum bets are $5. Max outside bets are $3000. Cool thing is you can sit out bets, and bet in whatever denomination you want ($1, 5, 25, etc). Betting different denominations at a table is pretty difficult to do.
Oh, you can also play 3 different live tables on the touchscreens
Saying you get a real spin out of a live table every 45 sec sounds a bit unbelievable.
That said, you said you did something similar to this but with dozens.
Can you elaborate?
My latest vice is the"NLE". Checking on it playing for the last event.
doubles or triples.
Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 03, 10:01 PM 2016
A little confused. You said you were just playing one spin out of 5.
And it looks like you're playing every one.
every single spin against the double street 5 spins back
im not worried about zeroes
i am flat betting
i can put insurance on 0, sure...
Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 03, 10:04 PM 2016
Saying you get a real spin out of a live table every 45 sec sounds a bit unbelievable.
Yes, the dealer spins every 45 seconds. There is actually a countdown. Since the dealer isn't collecting chips, doing payouts. Etc it goes pretty fast. Al bets are handled vIA touchscreen.
Can also play 3 other live tables in the casino via touchscreen, but playing these tables are slower since the dealer is not just spinning a wheel
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 03, 11:35 PM 2016
Yes, the dealer spins every 45 seconds. There is actually a countdown. Since the dealer isn't collecting chips, doing payouts. Etc it goes pretty fast.
Yes, Aspers casino have had a countdown for a while now, when table gets busy the countdown gets forgotten. Now they have stopped the touch screens using the tables and installed a wheel and cards facility, on a podium. Its a bit like watching smartlive, you see the croupier,then you only see the hand spin the ball on the screen. Are you seeing a real spin or a video clip.
I was the only player there once and betting 16 #'s and one of the 16 took exactly 22 spins to hit, the 22nd bet no stake BR gone and in came the #
This system doesn't have a trigger.
You could attach a trigger on the front (i.e.when an even
chance hits three consecutive times) bet the *original system*.
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 07:14 AM 2016
I was the only player there once and betting 16 #'s
Too many numbers bet. You'll never get anywhere with that style.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 04, 10:03 AM 2016
Too many numbers bet. You'll never get anywhere with that style.
Ken
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13384.msg164766;topicseen#msg164766 Thanks Big dog
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 10:30 AM 2016
Thanks Big dog
Not a problem, I'm here to HELP. :-*
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 04, 10:32 AM 2016
Not a problem, I'm here to HELP. :-*
Ken
Stop it
Post a test of the method i created or seek refuge somewhere else
We know your opinion of it. You are entitled to that opinion. Now leave it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 07:14 AM 2016
Yes, Aspers casino have had a countdown for a while now, when table gets busy the countdown gets forgotten. Now they have stopped the touch screens using the tables and installed a wheel and cards facility, on a podium. Its a bit like watching smartlive, you see the croupier,then you only see the hand spin the ball on the screen. Are you seeing a real spin or a video clip.
I was the only player there once and betting 16 #'s and one of the 16 took exactly 22 spins to hit, the 22nd bet no stake BR gone and in came the #
Yes, it is a real spin. The touchscreens are in a semi circle with the dealer in the middle only a few feet away. The dealers only job is to spin the wheel. It's pretty awesome due to no long waits
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 10:52 AM 2016
Stop it
Post a test of the method i created or seek refuge somewhere else
We know your opinion of it. You are entitled to that opinion. Now leave it.
I dont test other peoples methods. Dont need to, I know what will NOT work by reading the first 1-3 sentences.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 04, 11:11 AM 2016
I dont test other peoples methods. Dont need to, I know what will NOT work by reading the first 1-3 sentences.
Ken
Ok. So thats it then
Take care
Will post an airball trial tomorrow
Going to the local casino which only has airball
Will play with $10 units
Scarface, the casino you goto in cherokee it is live dealer and real wheel but everytning is on the screen right? Like stadium gaming
I like that
Sands in PA has that i believe
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 04, 08:29 AM 2016
This system doesn't have a trigger.
You could attach a trigger on the front (i.e.when an even
chance hits three consecutive times) bet the *original system*.
Yes
Throwing a random trigger into the mix might make it stronger as in missing some losses or double losses
Max loss in a row ive ever seen is 2 and ive tested this a lot
Also by adding insurance to 0 cuts the losses by half. A lot of my losses are when 0 hits
I dont advocate for progressions but im crazy enough to use one
Example
$2 units
On a loss
$10 units
On a loss
$20 units and stay there until even
Only using progression if i am below starting balance after a loss
If im at the table and observe 2 losses in a row i may then bet big as i know a 3rd will be unlikely
If i could play with quarters it would be unstoppable. High limits hurt me
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 11:12 AM 2016
Ok. So thats it then
Take care
I think it's time that a moderator take notice.
Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 04, 11:16 PM 2016
I think it's time that a moderator take notice.
I see your point
Ken...looks like you are trying to do a "caleb" but you cant because your system is no different if you are just playing roulette within the maths boundaries that the game allows.
Caleb claims to be playing outside the maths boundaries so can say it wont work according to the different approach
Its like telling people to not eat meat...but you do allow sausages...because you eat them.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 05, 06:56 AM 2016
I see your point
Ken...looks like you are trying to do a "caleb" but you cant because your system is no different if you are just playing roulette within the maths boundaries that the game allows.
Caleb claims to be playing outside the maths boundaries so can say it wont work according to the different approach
Its like telling people to not eat meat...but you do allow sausages...because you eat them.
that's really the only point im making
Mr. J plays a "method" he says. On certain numbers that he chooses based on whats happening. So he is playing the same game we all are. He calls them hot numbers and feels he is superior because of this
Turbogenius did the same thing. slam people for methods when he himself ALSO plays methods. I happened to like TG very much. He was a much more watered down version of the above
Playing roulette with the same HE, but calling other methods silly but yours is not does not make much sense.
Perhaps we can have another sub forum similar to this. Title it "Method play" 'Method players only'. This way the veterans of the boards can feel better about their systems.
Its like skimming stones
I look for a dead water...no ripples and the perfect stone at the perfect angle
I will not discuss the angles I use or the shape or weight of the stone.
I will beat any of you for skim quantity and distance
And as I jump around...claiming my magnificance....my stone falls to the bottom....just like yours
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Sep 05, 06:56 AM 2016
Caleb claims to be playing outside the maths boundaries so can say it wont work according to the different approach
Its like telling people to not eat meat...but you do allow sausages...because you eat them.
I'm lost. So the message to me is what?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:47 AM 2016
I'm lost. So the message to me is what?
Ken
The metaphor he used is that
you say not to play systems (eat the meat) however you play certain systems (the sausage)
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:47 AM 2016
I'm lost. So the message to me is what?
Ken
I think it boils down to what Rich said in the GG post...(which was an amusing read btw)
Whats the difference between a method and a system?
Does a method overcome the HE and a system doesnt?
Im all ears
method/system do have different definitions
so he is right about there being a difference
however in the game of roulette once the chips are down there is no difference
Theres 4 ways to play roulette
-random betting
-with a set of rules (strategies, methods, systems, all same in roulette no matter how you cut the cake)
-finding a bias
-visual ballistics (predicting where it will fall based on where it was released)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 01:15 PM 2016
Theres 4 ways to play roulette
-random betting
-with a set of rules (strategies, methods, systems, all same in roulette no matter how you cut the cake)
-finding a bias
-visual ballistics (predicting where it will fall based on where it was released)
When it comes to playing non-AP styles, there are only TWO choices.
A) Playing numbers that have not hit in the past "X" number of spins (for whatever reason).
B) Playing numbers that have hit in the past "X" number of spins (for whatever reason).
Ken
Will post results from casino today on this method
Just going for a fun day and possble eat at the steakhouse there
Will try to pay for our meals with winnings
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 01:34 PM 2016
When it comes to playing non-AP styles, there are only TWO choices.
A) Playing numbers that have not hit in the past "X" number of spins (for whatever reason).That I wouldn't do. Unless one is sleeping for 300 spins . Then theoretically if you keep flatbetting it you should win. But it could take days.
B) Playing numbers that have hit in the past "X" number of spins (for whatever reason).
This is where the money is at. In almost all sessions we got those numbers that hit above average. Better go with the flow then to fight it.
So far so good
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 01:15 PM 2016
Theres 4 ways to play roulette
-random betting
-with a set of rules (strategies, methods, systems, all same in roulette no matter how you cut the cake)
-finding a bias
-visual ballistics (predicting where it will fall based on where it was released)
Rich,
Nice summary of bet selection methods.
Quote from: denzie on Sep 05, 01:58 PM 2016
Denzie,
I agree. To the above I would also add flat betting with occasional parlays (positive progression).
1st time at the casino in a long time
Came with $200 played with $5 chips
Won every bet i placed
After i won i switched airball machines
Bet against DS 5 spins back
Won $65 (13 units)
My plan is once i hit 300 to up it to $10 units
I felt good. Because at that point if i lost a bet id still be in the plus
Played smart. Limited exposure. Left
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 05:04 PM 2016
1st time at the casino in a long time
Came with $200 played with $5 chips
Won every bet i placed
After i won i switched airball machines
Bet against DS 5 spins back
Won $65 (13 units)
My plan is once i hit 300 to up it to $10 units
I felt good. Because at that point if i lost a bet id still be in the plus
Played smart. Limited exposure. Left
Congrats man. That's the way to do it
Switching machines after i win a bet is just somethong i do lol
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 05:04 PM 2016
1st time at the casino in a long time
Came with $200 played with $5 chips
Won every bet i placed
After i won i switched airball machines
Bet against DS 5 spins back
Won $65 (13 units)
My plan is once i hit 300 to up it to $10 units
I felt good. Because at that point if i lost a bet id still be in the plus
Played smart. Limited exposure. Left
Rich,
Just to be double-sure, I am asking this. For the bets you made, you played against the DS that appeared 5 spins back.
And once you made a bet, you then sat out the next 4 bets.
You did not bet continuously -- right?
How i played yesterday was i bet one time and then switched airball machines
However thats how i would play if i stayed at the machine. Im also testing every spin as well
Run through some real spins
Ignatus posted a bunch in real spins section
For whatever reason it holds up flat betting lol
^-^
I should have mentioned my real play yesterday was american wheels
I test it against american zumma book as well
Ready to 'fire your boss' RG with this system?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 06, 07:56 AM 2016
Ready to 'fire your boss' RG with this system?
Wayyyyy to early to say
Lol
I couldn't see myself as a casino man
For a living i mean
Not a life id want to live
Wouldn't want to be a casino junkie like caleb
The extra spending money is nice though
If its that good i may consider big units and go twice a week
All i can say are the facts
13 bets placed. 13 bets won. Airball play.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 09:55 AM 2016
All i can say are the facts
13 bets placed. 13 bets won. Airball play.
Those are not facts.
It could be 670 bets placed & 670 bets won, it means nothing.
Ken
I actually did go to the movies on Saturday but its NOT a fact I went, correct?
Ken
I think you need help with definitions
If you went to the movies its a fact
What you are meaning to say is that you can't supply proof. Thats the point you are making
Everyone wear a gopro i guess
been testing the live wheel american spins from this forums real spins section
i have to say the only thing hurting my tests are the zeros....they are not part of double streets so when they pop up they hurt
two 0s in a row...ouch
need to consider insurance on 0...so that when they pop up its no loss...
however, even without the 0 insurance I am always in profit at some point
maybe thats why hitting and running in my live play worked so well....switching wheels after a win.....the 0 has to hit at the exact moment im at the wheel.....if i stay at one wheel and bet continuously the 0 is bound to show
two step progression has not failed me yet, WITH ONE exception, the two zeros in a row I had....
will be conservative, not betting every spin....
waiting for a virtual loss is a sure fire way i believe, but we know how that goes, wait for the VL and it takes forever to hit
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 08:47 PM 2016
been testing the live wheel american spins from this forums real spins section
i have to say the only thing hurting my tests are the zeros....they are not part of double streets so when they pop up they hurt
two 0s in a row...ouch
need to consider insurance on 0...so that when they pop up its no loss...
however, even without the 0 insurance I am always in profit at some point
maybe thats why hitting and running in my live play worked so well....switching wheels after a win.....the 0 has to hit at the exact moment im at the wheel.....if i stay at one wheel and bet continuously the 0 is bound to show
two step progression has not failed me yet, WITH ONE exception, the two zeros in a row I had....
will be conservative, not betting every spin....
waiting for a virtual loss is a sure fire way i believe, but we know how that goes, wait for the VL and it takes forever to hit
RG.....I really dont want to read this entire thing so I have to ask. How many DSs are you betting? or it depends on a certain situation?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 06, 09:19 PM 2016
RG.....I really dont want to read this entire thing so I have to ask. How many DSs are you betting? or it dependss in a certain situation?
Ken
#1 - If you do not care to read then I do not care to answer
#2 - this is a system player sub forum
#3 - you have already made it clear you do not agree with the strategy
Moderator(s) please see to it then this thread stays on topic......system players only (admitted system players I should say)...thank you
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 09:24 PM 2016
#1 - If you do not care to read then I do not care to answer
#2 - this is a system player sub forum
#3 - you have already made it clear you do not agree with the strategy
Moderator(s) please see to it then this thread stays on topic......system players only...thank you
If I'm asking a question about it, then it is staying on topic. Ok, I'll guess the worse situation...you are betting on 5 DSs (I'm guessing). It really makes no difference if you are betting on 1 or 5 or in between.
What is this fascination you have with INSURANCE on the zeros? So if you were betting on the first 5 DSs, it makes NO DIFFERENCE if you put your insurance on the 33/36 split, ITS THE SAME. You focus way too much on those zeros. I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU RG, I'm not out to embarrass you in any way.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 06, 09:29 PM 2016
If I'm asking a question about it, then it is staying on topic. Ok, I'll guess the worse situation...you are betting on 5 DSs (I'm guessing). It really makes no difference if you are betting on 1 or 5 or in between.
What is this fascination you have with INSURANCE on the zeros? So if you were betting on the first 5 DSs, it makes NO DIFFERENCE if you put your insurance on the 33/36 split, ITS THE SAME. You focus way too much on those zeros. I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU RG, I'm not out to embarrass you in any way.
Ken
I do not have the slightest fascination with the 0/00
The problem is, with this method a 0/00 is not part of any double street. so when they show up, or cluster, it hurts.....
a 0/00 is no different then the 4, or the 19....i understand this
the problem is i am only playing lines....so if the next two spins are 0 then 00....I lose.....the insurance is exactly that, insurance that when a non double street/line number shows, in this case the 0/00 i am ok
"the problem is i am only playing lines....so if the next two spins are 0 then 00....I lose" >> Are you playing every line on every spin? If no, wouldn't you also lose (F the zeros) if other numbers NOT bet, hit? If you were not betting the 31-36 and the 34 hit, you lost but its a better loss because it was not a zero?
Ken
the 0/00 are not part of any line
i have been testing this extensively
for some reason playing against the line 5 spins back seems to work
the only time i have trouble is when the 0/00 repeats
the only L L L i have had was due to 0, 0, line repeat of 5 back
the 0/00 is what did it
eh
im overthinking it...it happened once...still in plus
i added $4,000 to my rouleteplayers.org account balance this evening
i could be playing 1 number......or 35 numbers
makes no difference to me
to me its a negative expectation gamble
RG, as far as I can see, ken wasnt doing anything wrong here. This isnt a "dont disagree with anyone or ask questions" section. It's a section where you wont constantly get told facts again and again. Ken is not "on your case" about anything. He was being polite.
IMO Ken if you offer unwanted advice, best to just drop it especially in this section. RG, perhaps dont be so jumpy to people disagreeing with you. What ken posted is a long way from the typical speech about negative expectation.
Ok if we could delete the thread id be happy
"Not a problem Steve" gets deleted?
Yeah I can see how that might really sir up some s**t. ::)
(4 words)
Ken
When posts get deleted, I personally dont spend a minute on each one thinking about whether or not to delete it. I make a quick and reasonable decision. In this particular case, with the post you mentioned, I removed it because it was not relevant anymore. Why? Because all the posts relevant to your post were removed. This is all really unimportant stuff.
I see. I was really only saying okay/thanks (yesterday), no biggie Steve.
Ken
All no problem. Jizz on someone and lets not take it so seriously. Look i even jizzed on myself.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 07, 10:28 PM 2016
All no problem. Jizz on someone and lets not take it so seriously. Look i even jizzed on myself.
oops, I just did a new thread, dont blow a top.
Ken
I think if you hate someone and want to spite them and constantly rate them use the jizz or wtf rating
The thumbs down on every single post is just not cool
Giving someone a thumbs down on everything they post no matter what it is, is abusing the sysyem and the integrity of its purpose
If u dislike the method i made in this thread give it a thumbs down. But every single post in the thread? Come on
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 07, 10:32 PM 2016
I think if you hate someone and want to spite them and constantly rate them use the jizz or wtf rating
The thumbs down on every single post is just not cool
Giving someone a thumbs down on everything they post no matter what it is, is abusing the sysyem and the integrity of its purpose
If u dislike the method i made in this thread give it a thumbs down. But every single post in the thread? Come on
I agree with you RG. Thats a good rule for EVERYONE.
Ken
Yes that's what the "scoreless votes" are for. Just to voice your disapproval, while being honest about the rating you give someone.
Clearly we dont all love each other. But surely we can be grown ups enough to jizz on each other, or stick your finger up. Instead of the dreaded thumbs down.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 07, 10:45 PM 2016
we can be grown ups enough to jizz on each other, or stick your finger up. Instead of the dreaded thumbs down.
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Ok
Will get thread back on topic
1) it will have triggers
2) it does not beat the house edge, it fights the house edge
3) it has aspects of gamblers fallacy
4) it is a 5 DS (30 number) bet
*if that is not your rub, move along
Ok
So tests to come:
Four 50 spins lots. Total of 200 spins
Why? I want to see if results change
On each lot of 50 spins i will test betting against:
-2 double streets back
-3 double streets back
-4 double streets back
-5 double streets back
-6 double streets back
I want to see if there is consistency on which one has the most wins/loss streaks
Something tells me it will be around the same due to the maths
Example if 3 back has the most wins i will continue testing that
Hey Roulette Ghost. I have been following this thread about betting double streets where you said to bet against the 5th back street appearing. Forgive my ignorance but it sounds like you are betting the other 5 double streets (which I must be wrong.) Doesn't make since to me with only a 5-1 payout. Would you be so kind as to correct my interpretation of how you were/are betting this in detail. Can you please explain how many double streets you are betting? Just can't seem to wrap my mind around it. I'm a little slow sometime lol. Thanks much.
Its a 5 double street bet
At your own risk
Money you can afford to lose
Roulette Ghost,
I understand the risks, and I like your concept. What I was asking and don't understand is how you can make money if you bet 5 DS, with a payout of 5-1(?) What am I missing here? Thanks.
You are paid 5 to 1
When you bet 5 DS and win, you keep a chip
So you keep 1 and win 5
So you leave with 6 when you started with 5
Betting 5 chips to win 1 chip is a bad bet. This must be understood
I understand that. But if the bet selection is strong it doesn't matter.
Thats what im looking for
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 12, 09:19 PM 2016
You are paid 5 to 1
When you bet 5 DS and win, you keep a chip
So you keep 1 and win 5
So you leave with 6 when you started with 5
Betting 5 chips to win 1 chip is a bad bet. This must be understood
I understand that. But if the bet selection is strong it doesn't matter.
Thats what im looking for
I think it might. In the larger scheme of things.
I started playing around with betting 11 of 12 streets. You
did get the occasional loss, but the zero kills you. You can't expect
to live in a sweet spot with no zeros. And once they come, they come
regular.
Last week I walked up and saw 3 zeros in a row on the marquis and a couple hangers.
You'll be walkin' funny after that. (If you can still walk)
I have tried this betting progression (5 DStreets) which seems to work well walking away with 15-20% profit for 8 sessions to date:
It may take awhile but who cares!!
+2 on a loss
-1 on a win
As you will realize 2 losses close together will take awhile to catch-up but I have other systems that help with recovery :xd:
I had 4 zeros within 10 spins which doesn't help!
What bankroll recommend ,how many units?
Three random triggers work for me atm:
If a dozen misses five consecutive times.
If a column misses five consecutive times.
If any even chance misses four consecutive times.
One bet after each trigger on the missing?
Ozon, I've just tested on 1 unit for initial starting, so 1 unit on each of the 5 double streets not repeated in the 3 row matrix.
I don't go to the casino with anything less than 500, but 250 min. should easily do it.
You could also try staying at 2 units if still not back to original bankroll balance, then back to 1 unit for faster recovery.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 21, 03:11 PM 2016
One bet after each trigger on the missing?
Correct.
Attached is
Spinmaster for tracking dozens and even chances.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 21, 08:54 AM 2016
Three random triggers work for me atm:
If a dozen misses five consecutive times.
If a column misses five consecutive times.
If any even chance misses four consecutive times.
You bet that dozen, columb, or EC once when it has not shown
that many times? Flat?
*Let me try the example again
(My quote)
If a dozen misses five consecutive times.
If a column misses five consecutive times.
If any even chance misses four consecutive times.
If any of the above happens flat-bet all
lines except the 5th newest number's line once.
Example: 34,19,7,8,14,12 (newest spin-value)
High has missed four consecutive times.
Bet all lines except L19-24 once. [One unit per line (5 units)]
Update
If a dozen misses six consecutive times.
If a column misses six consecutive times.
If any even chance misses four consecutive times.
Choose two of the three triggers. Flat-bet all
lines except the 5th newest number's line once.
Zeros are ignored during tracking.
Update-Only one trigger is necessary
*If a column misses six consecutive times.*
Flat-bet all
lines except the 5th newest number's line once.
Zeros are ignored during tracking.