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Title: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 12:52 PM 2016
This is a flat betting method which attempts to profit from repeaters and sleepers.

Start by betting the last spun number and add each new number.
Continue this way till new bankroll high or till you have bet 18 unique numbers.

Whenever you reach a new high before you bet 18 uniques, restart by betting the last spun number.
When you have bet 18 uniques without new high, this means there were 19 unique numbers including your last loss, continue by betting the remaining 18 sleepers.

Whenever a "sleeper" awakes remove it from the bet selection, thus gradually you would bet 18, then 17, then 16, 15, 14, and finally 13 numbers, aiming to win 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23 units respectively.
As a safeguard we will bet those "sleepers" till one of the following conditions happens first:

1) You have reached a new bankroll high
2) You won 6 times
3) After 13 spins none of the above conditions have been met

Restart from scratch and repeat the procedure
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: tuddilue on Aug 09, 01:06 PM 2016
Thanks for the method. Interesting approach that I will test.

What bankroll do you use?
Played like this long time?
Tested it only on live wheel 🎡 I assume?
-Tuddilue
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 01:30 PM 2016
Quote from: tuddilue on Aug 09, 01:06 PM 2016
Thanks for the method. Interesting approach that I will test.

What bankroll do you use?
Played like this long time?
Tested it only on live wheel 🎡 I assume?
-Tuddilue

Approximately 360 units (could be less) will be sufficient for even worst sessions.
Yes, I've tested it extensively only with "live" spins.

I've seen 18 unique without a single repeater, in such rare case you would be down by 171 units and you would proceed to the sleepers phase, even if you reduce the total loss is a step towards profit.
Most of the cycles are profitable, not all, but in the end positive will be the balance.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: NextYear on Aug 09, 01:44 PM 2016
Thanks Blue, lots of every kind of bets in your supplies!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: tuddilue on Aug 09, 01:51 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 01:30 PM 2016
Approximately 360 units (could be less) will be sufficient for even worst sessions.
Yes, I've tested it extensively only with "live" spins.

I've seen 18 unique without a single repeater, in such rare case you would be down by 171 units and you would proceed to the sleepers phase, even if you reduce the total loss is a step towards profit.
Most of the cycles are profitable, not all, but in the end positive will be the balance.
Thanks for the answers!
I have seen 20 unhits in row. But that was on RNG and I have never seen that again. Rare even on RNG..
-Tuddilue
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 01:55 PM 2016
Quote from: tuddilue on Aug 09, 01:51 PM 2016
Thanks for the answers!
I have seen 20 unhits in row. But that was on RNG and I have never seen that again. Rare even on RNG..
-Tuddilue

It doesn't make any difference, if you were betting like I describe here, you would be down by 153 units.
There will always be a next cycle, a next day, session, the point is to be in positive long term, not in every cycle/session.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 01:58 PM 2016
Quote from: NextYear on Aug 09, 01:44 PM 2016
Thanks Blue, lots of every kind of bets in your supplies!

You are welcome!:-)

I always aim to have the best possible options in my gambling repertoir, not only in roulette.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 09, 02:57 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 12:52 PM 2016



Whenever a "sleeper" awakes remove it from the bet selection.

?? (lol) Not that I am for this method (I'm not) but if a VERY long term sleeper has hit, keep it, dont remove it.

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 03:34 PM 2016
Ken,

I'm not tracking long time before start betting non stop till the end of my session, I just begin immediately with the last number.

Therefore there is no way to know if a number is long sleeper or temporary sleeping, to be frank, I don't care if it is or not.

Does it make any difference if you knew it?

Long and short sleepers could hit just once and then go back to sleep, or could begin showing with increased frequency, I prefer to bet the reflection of current results.

Therefore your recommendation is being rejected as absurd.
Thank you anyway.

Angel
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:37 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 03:34 PM 2016
 





Therefore your recommendation is being rejected as absurd.


...and again, I know less than you. Ok, no problem, thanks for posting.

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:40 PM 2016
Let me give an example...lets say you were tracking and the 23 has not hit in 300 spins. (this is not related to your posted method). The 23 now hits, what do you do now and why?

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 03:42 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:37 PM 2016
...and again, I know less than you. Ok, no problem, thanks for posting.

Ken

It's not about bragging here but about what works and what's not.

It would be nice to have feedback and suggestions.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 03:47 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:40 PM 2016
Let me give an example...lets say you were tracking and the 23 has not hit in 300 spins. (this is not related to your posted method). The 23 now hits, what do you do now and why?

Ken

Like I said before, when a frozen number awakes it could hit more or not so often in order to be in profit with flat stakes.

I had this idea analyzed by waiting frozen numbers to awake first and then follow them in hope that would compensate for the missing time, unfortunately is not always the case.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:51 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 03:47 PM 2016
Like I said before, when a frozen number awakes it could hit more or not so often in order to be in profit with flat stakes.

I had this idea analyzed by waiting frozen numbers to awake first and then follow them in hope that would compensate for the missing time, unfortunately is not always the case.

I didn't say bet on the 23 for the next 600 spins and you didn't answer me. What would you do and WHY?

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:53 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 03:42 PM 2016


It would be nice to have feedback and suggestions.

(lol) I did.

I said keep betting it (impo), thats not a "suggestion"?

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: denzie on Aug 09, 03:59 PM 2016
So you bet 1+2+3+4+5.............+18 =171u
And you wanna recover that with going backwards? 


And if a # wakes up finally  (you lost money on it) you stop betting it ?  :o

How many sessions you tested this ?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:06 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:51 PM 2016
I didn't say bet on the 23 for the next 600 spins and you didn't answer me. What would you do and WHY?

Ken

This kind of question is very hypothetical, it's like asking what would you do if you were wearing a dress in public...I'd never done such a thing so I don't know what "correct" answer are you looking for, if there is any.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:12 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:06 PM 2016
This kind of question is very hypothetical, it's like asking what would you do if you were wearing a dress in public...I'd never done such a thing so I don't know what "correct" answer are you looking for, if there is any.

I guess it comes down to opinion?? ...and the question can be for anyone, I'm not picking on you alone. If I was at the CASINO and I knew the 23 slept for 300 spins, then hit. I would cream my shorts $$$$$

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:15 PM 2016
Quote from: denzie on Aug 09, 03:59 PM 2016
So you bet 1+2+3+4+5.............+18 =171u
And you wanna recover that with going backwards? 


And if a # wakes up finally  (you lost money on it) you stop betting it ?  :o

How many sessions you tested this ?

Recovery doesn't has to be completed within the same cycle.

Perhaps you didn't understand that after 18 repeaters without achieving new BR high, I'm not continuing  with the repeaters but with the remaining sleepers.

Yes, after each hit on every sleeper I'm removing it from my bet selection, a dead weight does not have to be carried along the way.

Everything I'm saying comes from my experience, about the "GP", I've tried it for many thousands spins.

Different opinions are welcome regardless if I would agree or not.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:18 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:12 PM 2016
I guess it comes down to opinion?? ...and the question can be for anyone, I'm not picking on you alone. If I was at the CASINO and I knew the 23 slept for 300 spins, then hit. I would cream my shorts $$$$$

Ken

I assume the best possible way to exploit this is to go for just one more hit, correct ?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:28 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:18 PM 2016
I assume the best possible way to exploit this is to go for just one more hit, correct ?

Now dont be mad (here come the attacks).....I won't answer that per say. Yes, I would bet it again but the DETAILS, I have no comments. I worked too hard to simply hand s**t out but if it helps (and I hope it does), please dont drop that number.

Ken

Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 09, 08:22 PM 2016
The odds of winning on the next spin haven't changed, at all. So changing bets won't change anything. Thinking otherwise is classic fallacy. Its not mere opinion.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 09:31 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 09, 08:22 PM 2016
The odds of winning on the next spin haven't changed, at all. So changing bets won't change anything. Thinking otherwise is classic fallacy. Its not mere opinion.

Selecting the one instead of the other could make the whole difference between winners and losers.

Therefore your statement is invalid.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 09, 09:49 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 09:31 PM 2016Selecting the one instead of the other could make the whole difference between winners and losers. Therefore your statement is invalid.

No, because whether you select one or the other, the odds of one or the other happening are still the same. For example: red or black, black or red.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 10:17 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 09, 09:49 PM 2016
No, because whether you select one or the other, the odds of one or the other happening are still the same. For example: red or black, black or red.

The payout always remains the same but will hit only one, not both, that's why there are losers and winners, you cannot have the one without the other.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 09, 10:21 PM 2016
Correct but that doesnt change the fact the odds dont change. So you dont know, with any increase in accuracy, which will win or lose. So of the odds dont change, and the payouts dont change, then nothing has changed. Still negative expectation.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 10:30 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 09, 10:21 PM 2016
Correct but that doesnt change the fact the odds dont change. So you dont know, with any increase in accuracy, which will win or lose. So of the odds dont change, and the payouts dont change, then nothing has changed. Still negative expectation.

Of course, prediction accuracy is the key, that's why bets have to move around from time to time and not to be like sitting ducks.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 09, 11:08 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 10:30 PM 2016bets have to move around from time to time and not to be like sitting ducks

Ok, but WHY would moving bets around increase the accuracy of predictions?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 11:33 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 09, 11:08 PM 2016
Ok, but WHY would moving bets around increase the accuracy of predictions?

Have you ever seen a sequence like this: 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1...?

Results are altering, thus a flexible bet selection which can be adjusted to the ever changing roulette flows is a must.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 09, 11:47 PM 2016
QuoteHave you ever seen a sequence like this: 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1

Not exactly that, but its irrelevant. The probability of 1,1,1 is exactly the same as 1,2,3 or 1,1,2 or 2,2,2, or 3,2,1. The probability is not what makes roulette negative expectation - it's the unfair payouts for the odds.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 11:33 PM 2016Results are altering, thus a flexible bet selection which can be adjusted to the ever changing roulette flows is a must.

I'm not sure what you mean by "results are altering". And your reference to "flow" I assume means past spins like 1,1,1,1,1, but they have no influence on future spins, so no influence on the odds.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 12:03 AM 2016
Here is my biggest issue.....what can happen vs. what won't happen and FINDING a middle ground. Meaning, that 23 hits after not hitting for 300 spins.

Could that 23 now go unhit again for the next 900 spins? Come on now. Lets drop the..."but it could happen" routine. I mean, anything CAN HAPPEN if we get super technical. Red might hit for 700 straight spins....but it could happen (lol). You cant BUILD a decent method based off that, its ludicrous.

Ken



Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:14 AM 2016
QuoteThe probability of 1,1,1 is exactly the same as 1,2,3 or 1,1,2 or 2,2,2, or 3,2,1.

So according to you this:
18
6
8
6
23
17
10
33
18
19
4
1
8
29
28
14
0
35
10
4
12
25
7
23
2
27
25
3
6
28
26
5
18
10
0
8
13
Has the same probability with that:
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
Your probability is perfectly reasonable!
Who could argue with that!

QuoteThe probability is not what makes roulette negative expectation - it's the unfair payouts for the odds.

What it matters is to win, a minor profit because of the unfair payouts is still better than losing.
What makes us lose is the variance and not less profit.
It's like you are claiming that a business could be terminated because of the taxes!

I suggest you do the following experiment, place two bets simultaneously, one on red and the other on black, find out how long it would take to lose your bankroll.
While one who is doubling up continuously will lose his bankroll in just a few spins.

QuoteI'm not sure what you mean by "results are altering". And your reference to "flow"

Perhaps you should buy a dictionary.

QuoteI assume means past spins like 1,1,1,1,1, but they have no influence on future spins, so no influence on the odds.

They don't have to, everything is a cycle and history repeats again and again like a deja vous.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 05:07 AM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:14 AM 2016So according to you this:
18, 6 ....

Has the same probability with that:
1, 1.....

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

How often will you see 1,1,1? How often will you see 1,2,3? Or 3,2,1? They each have the same probability, and on average will occur the same amount of times.

I think where most people dont get it is they have never seen 1,1,1,1,1,1,1, so they assume they can make a system based on it. But have they ever seen 32,14,4,1,8,12,17?

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:14 AM 2016What it matters is to win, a minor profit because of the unfair payouts is still better than losing.

Any profit, over the long term, is only assured if you overcome the unfair payouts. And this is only possibly by increasing accuracy of predictions.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:14 AM 2016What makes us lose is the variance and not less profit.

No, what makes us lose is unfair payouts for the odds. Variance is nothing but plain statistics. Variance basically means "things wont be exactly as expected".

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:14 AM 2016It's like you are claiming that a business could be terminated because of the taxes!

No it's nothing like that.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:14 AM 2016I suggest you do the following experiment, place two bets simultaneously, one on red and the other on black, find out how long it would take to lose your bankroll. While one who is doubling up continuously will lose his bankroll in just a few spins.

All that would prove is larger bets means larger losses. It's a simple concept.

QuotePerhaps you should buy a dictionary.

I have one, but prefer dictionary.com. Your wording "results are altering", depending on the context, could mean a few things like:

a. Results are always changing
b. Results are "due" eventually

You did not give clear context, so I dont really know what you were saying.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:14 AM 2016They don't have to, everything is a cycle and history repeats again and again like a deja vous.

Actually history is a never-ending unfolding of events, with ever-changing variables. To some degree, history does repeat. That's because the variables that determine the winning number are similar enough. But if you mean RRBBRRBB means B will spin after RRBBRRB, then no history doesn't repeat with any greater probability than R spinning next.

I'm all up for rational debate, but what you are saying so far isn't correct. It isnt my opinion. It is clear fact anyone can see with proper testing.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Turner on Aug 10, 06:49 AM 2016

Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 05:07 AM 2016I think where most people dont get it is they have never seen 1,1,1,1,1,1,1, so they assume they can make a system based on it. But have they ever seen 32,14,4,1,8,12,17?

1,1,1,1,1,1,1         = 1-((1/36^7)) = 78 Billion:1

32,14,4,1,8,12,17 = 1-((1/36^7)) = 78 Billion:1

Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 07:01 AM 2016
Turner n steve r correct

But i understand where hes coming from

Some things just wont happen
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 07:17 AM 2016
Rg that's where the illusion is. Everything will happen eventually. And theres no difference between one number and another. What matters is odds vs payout. This is actually very old news. As old as gambling.  It's just that most gamblers don't understand it. That's why casinos exist.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Turner on Aug 10, 07:55 AM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 07:01 AM 2016Some things just wont happen
but think this way, all things that "wont happen", as you say, happen every spin.

Somethings got to happen
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 08:25 AM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 07:55 AM 2016
but think this way, all things that "wont happen", as you say, happen every spin.

Somethings got to happen

Yes. But some things wont happen
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:36 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 06:49 AM 2016
1,1,1,1,1,1,1         = 1-((1/36^7)) = 78 Billion:1

32,14,4,1,8,12,17 = 1-((1/36^7)) = 78 Billion:1

If these 2 sequences have equal possibility, then number 1 is 6 times more probable to hit than 32, 14, 4, 8, 12 and 17
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:39 PM 2016
QuoteActually history is a never-ending unfolding of events, with ever-changing variables. To some degree, history does repeat. That's because the variables that determine the winning number are similar enough.

At least we agree on this one.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:46 PM 2016
Quote
a. Results are always changing
b. Results are "due" eventually

There's not "black" or "white" but shades of grey...
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:48 PM 2016
QuoteAll that would prove is larger bets means larger losses. It's a simple concept.

Larger bets could also mean larger profit, the "coin" has 2 sides...
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:55 PM 2016
QuoteIt's like you are claiming that a business could be terminated because of the taxes! BA

No it's nothing like that. Steve

Now you are contradicting yourself, when you say that 2.7% is the reason for everyone who loses, it is like you are claiming that every business wouldn't be viable because of the taxation, of course it's far from truth because there are more important factors which could harm financially a business!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 01:12 PM 2016
QuoteNo, what makes us lose is unfair payouts for the odds. Variance is nothing but plain statistics. Variance basically means "things wont be exactly as expected".

I don't agree with the first part, but I agree with the second part.

In order to lose because of the house edge (unfair payouts) all events have to balance (this is your first assumption) at some point (this is very vague).

But let's assume that all events will balance out at some point in time, one has to bet 5,000 or 50,000 or 500,000 times (wherever your vague point is) black and if he is ahead to keep betting another  5,000 or 50,000 or 500,000 times the same in order all outcomes to even out and eventually lose by 2.7%.

Don't you think that this theory involves too many assumptions, too many ifs?
1) results have to balance out (really?)
2) at some point (too vague, when??)
3) the player must stick to the same bet selection for all the time (unless there is rule which obliges you to do so nobody has to do it this way)
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 01:23 PM 2016
QuoteHow often will you see 1,1,1? How often will you see 1,2,3? Or 3,2,1? They each have the same probability, and on average will occur the same amount of times.

I think where most people dont get it is they have never seen 1,1,1,1,1,1,1, so they assume they can make a system based on it. But have they ever seen 32,14,4,1,8,12,17?

If what you claim was true then number 1 would be 2 times more possible than numbers 2 and 3 and on your second sequence 1 would be 6 times more probable than 32,14,4,8,12 and 17!

You have been misguided for years, don't blame yourself, you just represent the mainstream theory.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Turner on Aug 10, 02:58 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 12:36 PM 2016
If these 2 sequences have equal possibility, then number 1 is 6 times more probable to hit than 32, 14, 4, 8, 12 and 17

:o

Listen....the maths is right.

Ignore it if you want and hope it goes away

(It won't)

Ok..let's establish something...we sit together at the table and you say " the next 2 numbers will be 1 followed by 1
I say the next 2 will be 12 followed by 17

Who has the best odds of those 2 hitting as predicted or are they the same odds?

Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:14 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 02:58 PM 2016
:o

Listen....the maths is right.

Ignore it if you want and hope it goes away

(It won't)

Ok..let's establish something...we sit together at the table and you say " the next 2 numbers will be 1 followed by 1
I say the next 2 will be 12 followed by 17

Who has the best odds of those 2 hitting as predicted or are they the same odds?

Since every number has equal probability to show up, a sequence of 3 different numbers will be more probable than a sequence of 3 times the same number.

If you want to understand that's good for you, if you don't that's your problem.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:21 PM 2016
Let's take another example;

World record for single number streak is 6, never in the whole history of roulette happened more than 6 times in a row.

Now a question which everybody has the answer, how many times have you seen 6 different numbers in 6 consecutive spins?

Too many!
Sometimes you have to prove that you are not an elephant...!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Tacwell on Aug 10, 03:33 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:21 PM 2016
Let's take another example;

World record for single number streak is 6, never in the whole history of roulette happened more than 6 times in a row.

Now a question which everybody has the answer, how many times have you seen 6 different numbers in 6 consecutive spins?

Too many!
Sometimes you have to prove that you are not an elephant...!

If you can't see the difference between selecting one specific number to repeat  6 times and any one of 36 unique random numbers to appear 6 times then you should give up now.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:42 PM 2016
Quote from: Tacwell on Aug 10, 03:33 PM 2016
If you can't see the difference between selecting one specific number to repeat  6 times and any one of 36 unique random numbers to appear 6 times then you should give up now.

Perhaps YOU are the one who doesn't understand that ANY number repeating 6 times DOESN'T have the same probability with ANY 6 different numbers in 6 spins sequence!

Your probability has "holes" because it's contradicting itself!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Priyanka on Aug 10, 03:45 PM 2016
 :xd: :xd: :xd:
Is there a better symbol for rofl :). Blue Angel I must admit your math is very very sound.

I remembered something. Open ten fingers. Count backwards from 10 and fold one finger for every count. When you reach the count of 6 stop. We know 10-6 is 4. But there are five fingers left. Very sound math. Lol.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:42 PM 2016ANY number repeating 6 times DOESN'T have the same probability with ANY 6 different numbers in 6 spins sequence!
This is very correct though.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:56 PM 2016
QuoteI remembered something. Open ten fingers. Count backwards from 10 and fold one finger for every count. When you reach the count of 6 stop. We know 10-6 is 4. But there are five fingers left. Very sound math. Lol.

What does this ludicrous example has to do with what I'm saying here??
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Tacwell on Aug 10, 03:58 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:42 PM 2016Perhaps YOU are the one who doesn't understand that ANY number repeating 6 times DOESN'T have the same probability with ANY 6 different numbers in 6 spins sequence!

Your probability has "holes" because it's contradicting itself!

Nope, it's very simple, if you select 1 to repeat, you're selecting a single number, ie. 1/37 to come next, if you're selecting any number other than the last to appear, i.e. no repeat, you're selecting 36/37, quite simple really.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 04:16 PM 2016
Quote from: Tacwell on Aug 10, 03:58 PM 2016
Nope, it's very simple, if you select 1 to repeat, you're selecting a single number, ie. 1/37 to come next, if you're selecting any number other than the last to appear, i.e. no repeat, you're selecting 36/37, quite simple really.

Do you want to hide behind words?

If I pick number 1 (specific) to bet for 37 spins or if I'm betting the last number for 37 spins it doesn't have any difference in probability terms.

Having the same number (specific or any) repeating 6 times in row is much more rare than having 6 different numbers (specific or any) in 6 consecutive spins.

In other words the probability of a sequence doesn't depend only from its length.

QuoteI remembered something. Open ten fingers. Count backwards from 10 and fold one finger for every count. When you reach the count of 6 stop. We know 10-6 is 4. But there are five fingers left. Very sound math. Lol.

Even Coco the gorilla knows that!  O0
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 10, 04:19 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 03:42 PM 2016
Perhaps YOU are the one who doesn't understand that ANY number repeating 6 times DOESN'T have the same probability with ANY 6 different numbers in 6 spins sequence!

Your probability has "holes" because it's contradicting itself!
Interesting discussion, but you have to take into account 2 scenarios:

1,1,1,1,1,1
VS.
any combination of 6 different numbers

1,1,1,1,1,1
VS.
a specific combination of 6 different numbers
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Azim on Aug 10, 04:24 PM 2016
Quote from: Priyanka on Aug 10, 03:45 PM 2016I remembered something. Open ten fingers. Count backwards from 10 and fold one finger for every count. When you reach the count of 6 stop. We know 10-6 is 4. But there are five fingers left. Very sound math. Lol.


Yes Pri, go check your math.  Count 1 for every fold and when you reach 6 you do have 4 left unless you have 11  fingers which some people do.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 04:31 PM 2016
The probability of a sequence doesn't depend only from its length.

Every sequence of the same length has the same probability to occur (or not) correct or wrong??

There are many more sequences contributing towards different outcomes rather than the same.
Therefore it's correct if you are looking at the "tree" and is wrong if you are looking at the "forest".
Many trees make a forest, don't you agree?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 04:32 PM 2016
Quote from: Azim on Aug 10, 04:24 PM 2016

Yes Pri, go check your math.  Count 1 for every fold and when you reach 6 you do have 4 left unless you have 11  fingers which some people do.

That was a good 1!  :xd:
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 04:58 PM 2016

So dear Steve & Turner, 1,1,1,1,1,1 is just one of the many possible sequences.

The aftermath is: "Unus pluribus"
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Turner on Aug 10, 05:12 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 04:58 PM 2016
So dear Steve & Turner, 1,1,1,1,1,1 is just one of the many possible sequences.

The aftermath is: "Unus pluribus"

you can add as many elephants or gorillas or latin phrases you like...

1 1 1 1 1 1 has the same probability of showing as 1 2 3 4 5 6 or 17,18,22,12,34,0
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 05:55 PM 2016
The math will never change

But i get it

11111
Is as likely as
1 32 4 4 12

But we all know one is more likely
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Turner on Aug 10, 06:05 PM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 05:55 PM 2016
The math will never change

But i get it

11111
Is as likely as
1 32 4 4 12

But we all know one is more likely

I dont get what you meant

1 32 4 4 12 is more likely?

I am starting to see the confusion now, with Angel too

Something (anything) other than 1 1 1 1 1 1 is more likely, is not the same as 1 32 4 4 12 is more likely than 1 1 1 1 1 1

1 32 4 4 12 is not more likely than 1 1 1 1 1 1 but anything other than 1 1 1 1 1 1 is.

duh....obviously ::)




Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 06:10 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 06:05 PM 2016
Im not with you

I dont get what you meant

1 32 4 4 12 is more likely?

I cant have words to describe it

Its ok no big deal
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: psimoes on Aug 10, 06:21 PM 2016
In the example posted above 1 32 4 4 12 isn´t more likely to happen than 11111. 1 32 4 4 11 for instance (note the 11 hit when it "should" have been the 12) doesn´t qualify. Close, but it´s not the same sequence. For that last 12 to hit there are 36 other numbers with identical probability to hit as well. And that happens with every number in that sequence.

11111 is a lot easier to think of as a bet selection. Tihe devil himself wouldn´t remember of testing for how many times  1 32 4 4 12 or whatever shows up in 10000000000 spins. 11111 instead seems "useful", or "relevant". But it´s no more than any specific sequence of x numbers.

Don´t delude yourselves.

Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 06:45 PM 2016
QuoteSomething (anything) other than 1 1 1 1 1 1 is more likely, is not the same as 1 32 4 4 12 is more likely than 1 1 1 1 1 1

1 32 4 4 12 is not more likely than 1 1 1 1 1 1 but anything other than 1 1 1 1 1 1 is.

If anything else is more likely than any certain sequence of 6 numbers, why it's different for a sequence of a single outcome?

If we accept your word as the truth, then whether one number hits once or 6 times has the same probability, but of course it's far from true.

Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 06:50 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 05:12 PM 2016
you can add as many elephants or gorillas or latin phrases you like...

1 1 1 1 1 1 has the same probability of showing as 1 2 3 4 5 6 or 17,18,22,12,34,0

This is correct. (I have to be very careful with the wording)......as I said earlier, what CAN happen vs. what "PROBABLY" won't happen !!!!

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:03 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 10, 06:50 PM 2016
This is correct. (I have to be very careful with the wording)......as I said earlier, what CAN happen vs. what "PROBABLY" won't happen !!!!

Ken

Do you consider a sequence of 6 outcomes as 1 streak of 6 or as 6 singles??

Does every streak, regardless of its length, contains single outcomes?
Then why it's different for a sequence of a single outcome?
If what you say was true, then whether one number hits once or 6 times in a row would has the same probability, but of course it's far from true.

There are more than one way to look into something.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:10 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:03 PM 2016



  then whether one number hits once or 6 times in a row would has the same probability, but of course it's far from true.



This is the difficult part regarding creating a decent method. That SAME number *COULD* hit six times in a row, it IS the same probability PER SPIN. Will it however? Hell no.

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:15 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:10 PM 2016
This is the difficult part regarding creating a decent method. That SAME number *COULD* hit six times in a row, it IS the same probability PER SPIN. Will it however? Hell no.

Ken

...and this is partially how I have come up with 2 or 3 very decent methods. Taking this bulls**t of...."anything can happen" and introducing it with, "what most likely will not happen".

I live in the northern U.S.

Fine, a rare roulette event with my SAME method might of just happened in South Korea. What do I care? (lol).

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:24 PM 2016
QuoteThat SAME number *COULD* hit six times in a row, it IS the same probability PER SPIN.

Please let me clarify one thing, it's one thing to say "could" which translates to 1 in 7 billion and completely another thing to say that it has the same probability!

In theory everything could be possible, even when you step out of your door someone could kill you and steal your wallet, but does this slim possibility make you not get out?

If we are to consider even such things then we would not do anything, not only in roulette but in life too!

Such theories are highly impractical and useless for the everyday activities, you should concentrate on what's happening most of the times rather than what could happen.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:31 PM 2016
Quotehit six times in a row, it IS the same probability PER SPIN.

NO, it's not the same probability!

Is it the same to win one time an EC with winning the same EC 6 times in a row??
If I win 1 time I would win 1 unit, if I win 6 times in a row I would win 63 units, this is why 6 in a row has 1 in 64 probability, not  1 in 1.

I cannot make it simpler for you in order to understand it.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:39 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:24 PM 2016
Please let me clarify one thing, it's one thing to say "could" which translates to 1 in 7 billion and completely another thing to say that it has the same probability!

In theory everything could be possible, even when you step out of your door someone could kill you and steal your wallet, but does this slim possibility make you not get out?

If we are to consider even such things then we would not do anything, not only in roulette but in life too!

Such theories are highly impractical and useless for the everyday activities, you should concentrate on what's happening most of the times rather than what could happen.

I suck at the explaining part but I know via actually doing it part. (I hope that made sense)

Per spin is always the same, 1/37, 1/38...it never changes. We'll say....same number hitting 3 times in a row is STILL 1/38. Picking (prior to spinning) that number 3 times in a row is different. I know its 38 to the third which is a far cry from 1/38.

I see/hear this a lot at the casino and I laugh my a** off....the 14 just hit 3 times in a row. Everyone at the table and the dealer..."OMG, what are the chances of that?!"

(rofl), 1/38 idiots....BUT lets say Bob the gambler calls it out prior to spinning, the 14 will hit 3 times in a row (and it does), not only is it 38 to the third but I would also run out of the casino thinking he is satan in the flesh. Before and after an event are TWO different things.

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:42 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:31 PM 2016
NO, it's not the same probability!

Is it the same to win one time an EC with winning the same EC 6 times in a row??
If I win 1 time I would win 1 unit, if I win 6 times in a row I would win 63 units, this is why 6 in a row has 1 in 64 probability, not  1 in 1.

I cannot make it simpler for you in order to understand it.

PER SPIN, yes it is.

Per spin means, one at a time...it is 1/37 (or 1/38).

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:50 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:39 PM 2016
I suck at the explaining part but I know via actually doing it part. (I hope that made sense)

Per spin is always the same, 1/37, 1/38...it never changes. We'll say....same number hitting 3 times in a row is STILL 1/38. Picking (prior to spinning) that number 3 times in a row is different. I know its 38 to the third which is a far cry from 1/38.

I see/hear this a lot at the casino and I laugh my a** off....the 14 just hit 3 times in a row. Everyone at the table and the dealer..."OMG, what are the chances of that?!"

(rofl), 1/38 idiots....BUT lets say Bob the gambler calls it out prior to spinning, the 14 will hit 3 times in a row (and it does), not only is it 38 to the third but I would also run out of the casino thinking he is satan in the flesh. Before and after an event are TWO different things.

Ken

Exactly and of course I'm talking about bets placed, not results observed, some fallacious gamblers think that they could sidestep probability by waiting and then betting!

Same probability assumes single bets, not a series of bets.
Personally I don't use fallacious triggers and I bet non stop, thus I consider every bet as part of my session and every session as a part of the long term.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:56 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:50 PM 2016
Exactly and of course I'm talking about bets placed, not results observed



Dumb question here but I want to know where you are at with this. You said "bets placed".

Lets say you are at a table and you skipped betting for 10 spins. The odds with everything stays the same regardless if you were betting or not, correct? Had to ask, sorry.

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 07:58 PM 2016
There's a lot of confusion here. The sequences have exactly the same probability, and with enough spins will both happen the same amount of times. There is no difference at all between the two sequences. It's all completely in your head, 100%. The casinos thrive in this kind of stuff. Again it's all really old news! Every serious player needs to understand it.

Just use the free software i published. That's what it's for.  Don't take my word for it, just test and see.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:58 PM 2016
Oh Turner, could you please do me a favor?

Could you be so kind to provide me one, not two, just 1 sequence of 37 roulette results in which there were 37 times the same number??

Or could you show us just 1 sequence of 37 outcomes in which all of the 37 numbers have  hit once regardless of their order??

Since the very first spun of the ball till this very moment, not even once has happened such travesty and you want us to believe that this has the same probability as any other sequence of 37 results!

Do not insult our intelligence!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 08:10 PM 2016

Where is the proof of  1/37 ?

Where is the proof of equal probability?

Out of the billions, trillions, gazillions roulette sequences in history, from real casinos and RNGs you cannot bring not even one single proof, just your empty theory!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 08:11 PM 2016
BA you still aren't getting it.

Everyone see link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-pattern-detector/

Test with at least millions of spins so the results are clear. Check any sequence like 1,1,1 and compare to others. You can test much longer sequences but then you need more spins to test for reliable results.

It's black and white, not grey
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 08:15 PM 2016
Same probability

Yes

But

Probably

Wont

Happen
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 08:28 PM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 08:15 PM 2016
Same probability

Yes

But

Probably

Wont

Happen

If it had the same probability why we have not encountered it?
It would has happened at least very few times if it was equal with everything else.

On the other hand we observe again and again specific sequences, so not all of them have same probability.
Take for example the average sequence of 37 spins contains 24 uniques and 13 sleepers/ repeats, if that was equal with having 37 different numbers out of 37 spins and/or 37 times the same number, why it hasn't happened?!

Steve, perhaps it's convenient for you to consider all methods and systems as junk in order to endorse what you are trying to sell.
Sorry but I don't buy it!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 08:34 PM 2016
This has nothing to do with what i sell. Just test. Why are you avoiding testing?

Rg, have you ever seen the sequence 23,12,5,16,2? It's the same as any other sequence. You are still not understanding this.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 08:42 PM 2016
Quotehave you ever seen the sequence 23,12,5,16,2?

So why don't you extend your theory to longer sequences such as strings of 50 numbers, 100, 200...?

It would still be the same right?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 08:44 PM 2016
YES, it would still be the same. But naturally you'd need more spins to prove it conclusively. Why argue more? Just test.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 09:02 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 08:34 PM 2016
This has nothing to do with what i sell. Just test. Why are you avoiding testing?

Rg, have you ever seen the sequence 23,12,5,16,2? It's the same as any other sequence. You are still not understanding this.

But i do understand

You are making an assumption about me

Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 09:04 PM 2016
Because of the way the software is designed, to properly test you need to test with two digit numbers for proper results or enter a marker to identify where one number starts and another ends, like a comma character. I'll give a larger file for testing soon.

RG you said something that's incorrect. I'm just assuming you didnt know it was incorrect.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 09:09 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 08:44 PM 2016
YES, it would still be the same. But naturally you'd need more spins to prove it conclusively. Why argue more? Just test.

Not needed to test what I already know.
The thing is that this horse-puckey has been served to us as the only reality, no thanks!

Steve, you seem to have a talent for finding troubles...could you explain us why?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 09:29 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 09:09 PM 2016Not needed to test what I already know.

What you think you know is wrong. Anyone can test and see it.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 09:09 PM 2016The thing is that this horse-puckey has been served to us as the only reality, no thanks!

To deny reality is "delusion". Math is not an opinion.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 09:09 PM 2016Steve, you seem to have a talent for finding troubles...could you explain us why?

Because people tend to hold onto delusion. When I try to help them, they attack me rather than admit their mistakes. Well that's one reason.

What's the problem here BA? The testing shows what I'm saying is the truth. The entire professional gaming community agrees with me. But you claim to know better, against all clear evidence. It's nothing personal BA, but you are wrong here and i'm just trying to help. Please dony give me that crap that I'm trying to sell something. That has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 09:42 PM 2016
That's your definition, let's say that I'm not trying to prove the obvious but quite the opposite...
Everyone can say that 1+1=2 but you cannot claim profit, novelty, reward out of such obvious things, these are for "parrots" and "monkeys".
I really don't care what the majority believes, says and does, but I'm going to tell you one thing;
If the majority was correct then the majority would be in privileged status, actually what happens is quite the opposite...
I prefer to differ, not just for the sake of it, but because it does make sense afterall!

I'd like to thank ALL of you for derailing this thread!

Like you did on "POSITIVE EXPECTATION CAN BE PROVED MATHEMATICALLY!"
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 09:48 PM 2016
BA all I did was correct your incorrect statements. That's not de-railing a thread. I'm sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about and have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 09:51 PM 2016
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 09:48 PM 2016
BA all I did was correct your incorrect statements. That's not de-railing a thread. I'm sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about and have a lot to learn.

Thank you Steve, you taught me a lot about maths and winning on roulette!  :lol:
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 10:14 PM 2016
You're welcome  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 10:49 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 10, 07:56 PM 2016
Dumb question here but I want to know where you are at with this. You said "bets placed".

Lets say you are at a table and you skipped betting for 10 spins. The odds with everything stays the same regardless if you were betting or not, correct? Had to ask, sorry.

Ken

If I had bet during that time I could have won or lost, but I didn't, so I'm on 0.
When I'll return the next day I'm going to continue my method, the same thing regardless what happened while I was absent.
This kind of questions are pointless in my opinion.
Say you have an insider who gives you information, so during his/her shift saw 23 was missing.
How could you exploit such info?
Isn't fallacy?
If not, why?
How are you different from someone who bets black after 10 reds in a row?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 10, 11:21 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 10:49 PM 2016
If I had bet during that time I could have won or lost, but I didn't, so I'm on 0.
When I'll return the next day I'm going to continue my method, the same thing regardless what happened while I was absent.
This kind of questions are pointless in my opinion.
Say you have an insider who gives you information, so during his/her shift saw 23 was missing.
How could you exploit such info?
Isn't fallacy?
If not, why?
How are you different from someone who bets black after 10 reds in a row?

I ask these types of questions for "you people". I already know the correct answer. I ask in order to know what you're thinking.

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 11:43 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 10, 11:21 PM 2016
I ask these types of questions for "you people". I already know the correct answer. I ask in order to know what you're thinking.

Ken

But you said that if you knew number 23 was missing for 300 spins and just hit, you would cream your pants from happiness.
Do you mind explaining how such fact could be exploited?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: MrJ on Aug 11, 12:16 AM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 11:43 PM 2016
But you said that if you knew number 23 was missing for 300 spins and just hit, you would cream your pants from happiness.
Do you mind explaining how such fact could be exploited?

First, I dont use that word EXPLOITED (lol). Thats more for "you people".

Second, as I had posted, I would bet a certain way. No stupid progression. My way, my reasons as to why are my business. 

Ken
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: denzie on Aug 11, 12:21 AM 2016
Quote from: psimoes on Aug 10, 06:21 PM 2016
In the example posted above 1 32 4 4 12 isn´t more likely to happen than 11111. 1 32 4 4 11 for instance (note the 11 hit when it "should" have been the 12) doesn´t qualify. Close, but it´s not the same sequence. For that last 12 to hit there are 36 other numbers with identical probability to hit as well. And that happens with every number in that sequence.

11111 is a lot easier to think of as a bet selection. Tihe devil himself wouldn´t remember of testing for how many times  1 32 4 4 12 or whatever shows up in 10000000000 spins. 11111 instead seems "useful", or "relevant". But it´s no more than any specific sequence of x numbers.

Don´t delude yourselves.

And that's the way the cookie crumbles!
I'm surprised that some don't get this  ::)
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Steve on Aug 11, 02:30 AM 2016
Quote from: denzie on Aug 11, 12:21 AM 2016I'm surprised that some don't get this

Initially it is hard to let go of pre-conceived ideas. But when you repeatedly have the facts in your face and you ignore them, that's as bad as ignorance gets. The world is how it is, not how we perceive it. If the facts don't match your ideas, your ideas are wrong.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Turner on Aug 11, 02:33 AM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 07:58 PM 2016Do not insult our intelligence
Well I am currently trying to find evidence of it so I can insult it.
No luck yet.
you really dont understand the maths
And who is this "our"?
No one agrees with you

LOL.....I wonder if Pythagoras got smited by non believers
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Priyanka on Aug 11, 04:19 AM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 02:33 AM 2016Well I am currently trying to find evidence of it so I can insult it.
No luck yet.
A very great read to start the day. Lol.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: denzie on Aug 11, 08:36 AM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 10, 09:51 PM 2016
Thank you Steve, you taught me a lot about maths and winning on roulette!  :lol:
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 12, 01:18 PM 2016
Are you still looking?!  :xd: :twisted:

Here is something which could help you realize that odds are not one eternal flat thing!

Check the attachment
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 12, 01:20 PM 2016
Quote from: denzie on Aug 11, 08:36 AM 2016


Go find some Cambodian to teach you how to win on rigged roulettes!
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: denzie on Aug 12, 01:39 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 12, 01:20 PM 2016
Go find some Cambodian to teach you how to win on rigged roulettes!

Would be better than your loser methods  :thumbsup:

Anymore 100 step progression ready for your next hg ?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 12, 02:36 PM 2016
QuoteAnymore 100 step progression ready for your next hg ?

Where did you find 100 step progression?
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: denzie on Aug 12, 02:47 PM 2016
 ::)

Doesn't matter. Carry on
have a good weekend
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 12, 02:56 PM 2016
Quote from: denzie on Aug 12, 02:47 PM 2016
::)

Doesn't matter. Carry on
have a good weekend

You too  8)
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 13, 05:32 PM 2016
Here is an example:
34}  wait for last number
8 }  bet number: 34, result -1
33} bet numbers: 34,8, result -3
16} bet numbers: 34,8,33, result -6
0 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16, result -10
9 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0, result -15
15} bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9, result -21
36} bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9,15 result -28
8 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9,15,36 result 0
6 } bet number: 8, result -1
24} bet numbers: 8,6, result -3
5 } bet numbers: 8,6,24, result -6
28} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5, result -10
33} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28, result -15
7 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33, result -21
3 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7, result -28
4 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3, result -36
26} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4, result -45
34} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26, result -55
2 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34, result -66
36} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2, result -78
4 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36, result -55
0 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36, result -68
24}  bet numbers :8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0, result -46
10}  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0, result -60
8 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10, result -39
13} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10, result -54
14} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13, result -70
6 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -51
13} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -32
6 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -13
20} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -30
26} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14,20, result -12
9 } bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14,20, result -30
16} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -12 (1 win/1 bet)
3 } bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -29 (1 win/2 bets)
6 } bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -46 (1 win/3 bets)
26} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -63 (1 win/4 bets)
20} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -80 (1 win/5 bets)
12} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -61 (2 wins/6 bets)
15} bet numbers:1,11,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -41 (3 wins/7 bets)
5 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -56 (3 wins/8 bets)
2 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -71 (3 wins/9 bets)
3 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -86 (3 wins/10 bets)
14} bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -101 (3 wins/11 bets)
2 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -116 (3 wins/12 bets)
18} bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -95 (4 wins/13 bets)
thirteen bets on sleepers, not 6 wins, nor new BR high, restart
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18}  bet number:18, result -60
2 }  bet number:18, result -61
11} bet numbers:18,2, result -63
36} bet numbers:18,2,11, result -66
14} bet numbers:18,2,11,36, result -70
25} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14, result -75
9 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25, result -81
24} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9, result -88
5 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24, result -96
4 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5, result -105
11} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4, result -79
23} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4, result -89
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23, result -100
30} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12, result -112
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30, result -89
8 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30, result -102
34} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8, result -116
13} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34, result -131
22} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13, result -147
7 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22, result -164
5 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -146
13} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -128
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -110
10} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -128
12} bet numbers:0,1,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -146 (0 wins/1 bet)
1 } bet numbers:0,1,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -128 (1 win/2 bets)
32} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -109 (2 wins/3 bets)
18} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -125 (2 wins/4 bets)
5 } bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -141 (2 wins/5 bets)
10} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -157 (2 wins/6 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -173 (2 wins/7 bets)
11} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -189 (2 wins/8 bets)
18} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -205 (2 wins/9 bets)
17} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -185 (3 wins/10 bets)
11} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -200 (3 wins/11 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -215 (3 wins/12 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -230 (3 wins/13 bets)
thirteen bets on sleepers, not 6 wins, nor new BR high, restart
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24} bet number:24, result -195
23} bet number:24, result -196
24} bet numbers:24,23, result -162
32} bet number:24, result -163
5 } bet numbers:24,32, result -165
6 } bet numbers:24,32,5 result -168
31} bet numbers:24,32,5,6 result -172
3 } bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31 result -177
27} bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3 result -183
20} bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3,27 result -190
5 } bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3,27,20 result -162
33} bet number:5, result -163
6 } bet numbers:5,33, result -165
18} bet numbers:5,33,6, result -168
25} bet numbers:5,33,6,18 result -172
4 } bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25 result -177
12} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4 result -183
2 } bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12 result -190
21} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2 result -198
18} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2,21 result -171
18} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2,21 result -144
33} bet number: 18, result -145
7 } bet numbers: 18,33, result -147
6 } bet numbers: 18,33,7, result -150
12} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6, result -154
16} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12, result -159
8 } bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16, result -165
28} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8, result -172
34} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28, result -180
30} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34, result -189
9 } bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30, result -199
18} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9, result -174
11} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9, result -185
11} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9,11, result -161
16} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9,11, result -137
20} bet number: 16, result -138
16} bet numbers: 16,20, result -104
20} bet number: 16, result -105
20} bet numbers: 16,20, result -71
17} bet number: 20, result -72
12} bet numbers: 20,17, result -74
16} bet numbers: 20,17,12, result -77
15} bet numbers: 20,17,12,16, result -81
12} bet numbers: 20,17,12,16,15, result -50
10} bet number: 12, result -51
34} bet numbers: 12,10 result -53
12} bet numbers: 12,10,34 result -20
8 } bet number: 12, result -21
15} bet numbers: 12,8, result -23
22} bet numbers: 12,8,15, result -26
15} bet numbers: 12,8,15,22 result +6
19} bet number: 15, result +5
21} bet numbers: 15,19, result +3
31} bet numbers: 15,19,21, result 0
22} bet numbers: 15,19,21,31, result -4
15} bet numbers: 15,19,21,31,22, result +27
36} bet number: 15, result +26
36} bet numbers: 15,36, result +60
19} bet number: 36, result +59
0 } bet numbers: 36,19, result +57
23} bet numbers: 36,19,0, result +54
17} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23, result +50
8 } bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17, result +45
13} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8, result +39
28} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13, result +32
11} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28, result +24
26} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11, result +15
19} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11,26, result +41
8 } bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11,26, result +67
16} bet number: 8, result +66
7 } bet numbers: 8,16, result +64
30} bet numbers: 8,16,7, result +61
11} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30, result +57
12} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11, result +52
26} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12, result +46
25} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26, result +39
18} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25, result +31
16} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18, result +58
15} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18, result +49
25} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18,15, result +75
13} bet number: 25, result +74
17} bet numbers: 25,13, result +72
14} bet numbers: 25,13,17, result +69
18} bet numbers: 25,13,17,14, result +65
17} bet numbers: 25,13,17,14,18, result +96
30} bet number: 17, result +95
25} bet numbers: 17,30, result +93
7 } bet numbers: 17,30,25, result +90
12} bet numbers: 17,30,25,7, result +86
12} bet numbers: 17,30,25,7,12, result +117

Results are from Dublinbet casino which I've attached here, you can check them if you wish in order to verify the results of my example.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 13, 07:45 PM 2016
In a way everything is an exchange and compromisation...
In an effort to improve a certain asset, you would worsen another one.

When I begin to create a method like this one, I don't check particular sequences of results, but evaluating principles.

There principles which work most of the time, while others work in certain occasions.

For example, if you are playing against a certain event to happen, this would work in certain occasions, but if your principle is being built around a fact which happens always, or most of the times, then this is the first step towards success.

The next should be, not to make my losses count more than my wins, simple as that.

It's a fact the "law of thirds", how one could take advantage of it is the real question.

Betting straight up numbers has slower drawdown and accelerated gain in comparison with all the rest bet sections, this is also a fact.

There are not better numbers, but better times to bet certain numbers.
Whether you believe in "cluster theory", "law of thirds" or not, they don't need your appreciation to exist!

Everything in the cosmos is a cycle of dualism, going forward, then backward, events happen, events disappear, people come and go.

So even when persons disappear, others replacing them to represent what the previous did and this goes on and on, actually it never stops.
Numbers are like people, "law of thirds" is not non facet, but multi facet fact, it has the ability to end on the same destination by many different paths.

You cannot go straight from Alpha to Omega, you have to make slow moves, step by step to follow what's going on and if it gets away for a while don't worry because it always coming back!

Don't expect the results to match your bets, but you have to follow the results, it's an ever changing stream of events, from which "law of thirds" flows.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: drenek on Sep 04, 03:53 AM 2016
Hello,
First of all sorry for my English, I'm French and I use the google translator.

Thank you for this method, it is very interesting. I begin testing on real permanence of Fairway Casino.
I wanted to know if you or someone encoded with this method xtrem roulette?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: Blue_Angel on Sep 06, 08:55 AM 2016
Quote from: drenek on Sep 04, 03:53 AM 2016
Hello,
First of all sorry for my English, I'm French and I use the google translator.

Thank you for this method, it is very interesting. I begin testing on real permanence of Fairway Casino.
I wanted to know if you or someone encoded with this method xtrem roulette?

Thank you.

It's not HG, it has its ups and downs like everything else.
You can download the RX code from the attachment.
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: drenek on Sep 06, 12:42 PM 2016
HI,

Thank you very much :)
Title: Re: Golden Peak
Post by: RouletteHunter on Jul 23, 05:00 AM 2017
Quote from: drenek on Sep 06, 12:42 PM 2016
HI,

Thank you very much :)

Hello all,

Could someone please tell me what kind of program do I have to use to open this file?
Or how does it work? I haven't got much experience in roulette programs.

Thank you in advance,
RouletteHunter