How can Porrondo's Paradox be used on GUT? Is there a way we can force a crossing in certain situations? After all, the lines have to cross in so many spins (right?) - Non-Random stylee! :)
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falkor, are you aware that no one knows what you are talking about?
Dont reply with 1200 graphs...just answer the question....
"are you aware that no one knows what you are talking about"
Quote from: Turner on Aug 18, 07:15 PM 2016
falkor, are you aware that no one knows what you are talking about?
Dont reply with 1200 graphs...just answer the question....
"are you aware that no one knows what you are talking about"
You forgot the question mark.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 18, 07:15 PM 2016
I think most people know GUT by now? There's another active topic with GUT happening right now. GUT is as old as you and me!
Who doesn't know what I am talking about..?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 18, 07:19 PM 2016
I think most people know GUT by now? There's another active topic with GUT happening right now. GUT is as old as you and me!
Who doesn't know what I am talking about..?
Me...but I'm an exception. I dont care about GUT.
Ken
I think the right question should be:
Can we force a win in a certain situation?
Let the situation be an upcoming crossing.
As to my understanding of the PP we need an event of a certain probability to combine it with the upcoming crossing situation.
Kon-Fu-Sed proofed that betting only on specific crossing has negative expectancy. So the combination with an other event would against the rules of Winkel to bet crossings mean that:
If the event (that has to be defined) is A then we bet for the crossing.
If the event is B then we bet the opposit numbers.
To tell also my oppinion about your question:
No, I don't think we can force a crossing in a specific situation.
R.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 18, 06:31 PM 2016
How can Porrondo's Paradox be used on GUT? Is there a way we can force a crossing in certain situations? After all, the lines have to cross in so many spins (right?) - Non-Random stylee! :)
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falkor if you use copyrighted material from my book you should at least quote the source or post a link to :.g-u-t.co.
Thank you.
Rolletti, that's good thinking nevertheless.... that's the kind of ideas I was hoping to get from this topic. I think it would be nice to explore further and try to come up with these events. :thumbsup:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 19, 04:30 AM 2016
Rolletti, that's good thinking nevertheless.... that's the kind of ideas I was hoping to get from this topic. I think it would be nice to explore further and try to come up with these events. :thumbsup:
As I can see you have the eBook of :.g-u-t.co.
There is this graphical proof of the binominal distribution of the hit-categories.
After about 10 sessions the results are already very close to the ideal run. Check out the diagramm there.
I think the standard deviations already have to average out very strongly after a few sessions. So the event we are looking for could derive from our last session notes if we calculate the averages and see where is more need to average out. Or call it a gravitation towards ideal.
This could be the hint where what category to bet. Maybe it's also possible to limit the "where" to crossings for the basic stategy. As you know Winkel said in the advanced play you can bet even between the crossings if you see what is going on.
R.
Rouletti
Can I draw your attention to rule 8.
8. No multiple IDs - if you are found to have multiple accounts on the forum, all will be removed.
Why are you posting as Rouletti and as Gutroulette ?
Your IP is identical so I am 100% sure
Quote from: Gutroulette on Aug 19, 01:47 AM 2016
falkor if you use copyrighted material from my book you should at least quote the source or post a link to :.g-u-t.co.
Thank you.
Sorry, I thought I was allowed to use 10%... yeah I should have quoted my source regardless. Apologies. My bad.
Quote from: Gutroulette on Aug 19, 01:47 AM 2016
falkor if you use copyrighted material from my book you should at least quote the source or post a link to :.g-u-t.co (link:://:.g-u-t.co).
Thank you.
So you are complaining about stolen copyrights? You are joking!
Quote from: Turner on Aug 19, 06:08 AM 2016
Rouletti
Can I draw your attention to rule 8.
8. No multiple IDs - if you are found to have multiple accounts on the forum, all will be removed.
Why are you posting as Rouletti and as Gutroulette ?
Your IP is identical so I am 100% sure
How else is he supposes to promote his ebook
His copyrights comment? Someone should just post the whole damn thing
Quote from: winkel on Aug 19, 06:15 AM 2016
So you are complaining about stolen copyrights? You are joking!
Who will inherit your GUT knowledge and copyright?
Falkor, you do not need to wait for crossings.
You know the average time crossings show, after spin 25? Winkel said in a reply you can bet every spin, but didn’t get to explain.
If you can Keep The Faith (KTF) you’d just bet every spin for every non-hit.
KTF using jackpot 247.com airball spins is 235 games Priyanka tester shows its 14,100 spins, +£ 6261.
But I would use the averages from these games to bet, so be watching the trot like GUT, the average shows spins 11-40 is 15.8/15.7 it fluctuates in 30 spins, you know all this. It shows up to 19th 0x averages to come in, in 2 spins, the? Is what’s the max to come in; it’s in posted document in KTF.
If you bet for every 0x and it lost did not winkel say to note the loss, well the lost 0x in KTF can be noted and when played next game check to see if it owes.
Run KTF and GUT side by side, use Winkels check at 13,25,37,50, KTF’s spins 11-20, 21-30 and 31-40
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 19, 07:15 AM 2016
Falkor, you do not need to wait for crossings.
You know the average time crossings show, after spin 25? Winkel said in a reply you can bet every spin, but didn’t get to explain.
If you can Keep The Faith (KTF) you’d just bet every spin for every non-hit.
KTF using jackpot 247.com airball spins is 235 games Priyanka tester shows its 14,100 spins, +£ 6261.
But I would use the averages from these games to bet, so be watching the trot like GUT, the average shows spins 11-40 is 15.8/15.7 it fluctuates in 30 spins, you know all this. It shows up to 19th 0x averages to come in, in 2 spins, the? Is what’s the max to come in; it’s in posted document in KTF.
If you bet for every 0x and it lost did not winkel say to note the loss, well the lost 0x in KTF can be noted and when played next game check to see if it owes.
Run KTF and GUT side by side, use Winkels check at 13,25,37,50, KTF’s spins 11-20, 21-30 and 31-40
That sounds a bit more coherent than what you normally post! Does KTF also use regression towards the mean? I appreciate your help and pointing me in the right direction - but the basics of KTF haven't been documented clearly yet (or the info isn't centralised). You say bet all the 0s - but aren't you using some kind of progression and virtual play? Your reply poses more questions than answers: how to note loss and use this information next permutation?
I am on a business visit with Rolletti. He is going to help to translate my book to German. My device has connected to his WLAN which could be the reason for my current IP.
Quote from: Gutroulette on Aug 19, 07:54 AM 2016
I am on a business visit with Rolletti. He is going to help to translate my book to German. My device has connected to his WLAN which could be the reason for my current IP.
lol...
Both yours and rollettis IPs...(and there are a lot) are all in German speaking Austria.
Who said that I don't understand German? It is not my first language so I was looking for help. Further I will not explain myself to you.
Can anyone recall if GUT crossings go on forever each permutation or do they fade away after so many spins and force us to start a new one?
Quote from: Gutroulette on Aug 19, 09:15 AM 2016
Who said that I don't understand German? It is not my first language so I was looking for help. Further I will not explain myself to you.
decide which account you want to keep. you cant have 2
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 19, 07:15 AM 2016
Falkor, you do not need to wait for crossings.
You know the average time crossings show, after spin 25? Winkel said in a reply you can bet every spin, but didn’t get to explain.
If you can Keep The Faith (KTF) you’d just bet every spin for every non-hit.
KTF using jackpot 247.com airball spins is 235 games Priyanka tester shows its 14,100 spins, +£ 6261.
But I would use the averages from these games to bet, so be watching the trot like GUT, the average shows spins 11-40 is 15.8/15.7 it fluctuates in 30 spins, you know all this. It shows up to 19th 0x averages to come in, in 2 spins, the? Is what’s the max to come in; it’s in posted document in KTF.
If you bet for every 0x and it lost did not winkel say to note the loss, well the lost 0x in KTF can be noted and when played next game check to see if it owes.
Run KTF and GUT side by side, use Winkels check at 13,25,37,50, KTF’s spins 11-20, 21-30 and 31-40
Interesting post notto!
But in these do you play this as flatbet or dlambert progression?
I think playing 0x besides the gut is the way to go. But with only flatbet it can be hard. If it's a fast Trott then it's easy.
It's like always watch the trot :wink:
- Tuddilue
Do i want to know if a crossing could be forced, not really, when i know the wheel i'm using theres enough info to make a profit.
Spin registery for todays Jackpot 247.com, spins 1-10, 8,0x's 2 repeat. So how many spins do the 0x's take to hit? 8 have hit, next 52 spins look like this
1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,7,1,4,1,1,1,5,1,1,1,1,5,1,2,3,6
In 62 spins we had 32,0x's. We can see the 17th 0x took 7 spins to hit, its max in 236 games is 8, its taken 7spins to hit 3 times, so here is the info for 17th 0x, it averages to hit in 1.76 spins and max 8 spins, so depending on how the trot is going you can make a decision.
You tell me would you go for the 17th 0x when its early to the trot, remembering 15 0x's in 30 spins, already 8,0x's in 11 spins.
Did anybody learn from CelticKnits?
Todays sheet is below, hope it helps in this simple game called roulette.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 20, 05:10 AM 2016
Do i want to know if a crossing could be forced, not really, when i know the wheel i'm using theres enough info to make a profit.
Spin registery for todays Jackpot 247.com, spins 1-10, 8,0x's 2 repeat. So how many spins do the 0x's take to hit? 8 have hit, next 52 spins look like this
1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,7,1,4,1,1,1,5,1,1,1,1,5,1,2,3,6
In 62 spins we had 32,0x's. We can see the 17th 0x took 7 spins to hit, its max in 236 games is 8, its taken 7spins to hit 3 times, so here is the info for 17th 0x, it averages to hit in 1.76 spins and max 8 spins, so depending on how the trot is going you can make a decision.
You tell me would you go for the 17th 0x when its early to the trot, remembering 15 0x's in 30 spins, already 8,0x's in 11 spins.
Did anybody learn from CelticKnits?
Todays sheet is below, hope it helps in this simple game called roulette.
Thanks notto, yes of course learned a lot from Celticknits and miss his informative comments..
But if this should be played as Celtics then he should play the 1x and not the 0x..
Always interesting to see how you plays the 0x but in the beginning of the trot they are so volative and big bets..
I should stick to bet them later with a slow progression or 1x. 1x is easier I think..
- Tuddilue