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Title: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 09:09 AM 2016
Hi Folks,

I just created a wonderful name for a topic which will reveal my next beautiful strategy to beat this game.

I only have to create a way to explain it.

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winkel
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 09:18 AM 2016
You all heard or read about comments like this:

There is alwas this # after that #
It there is # in next spinns will hit #
This guy always does reapeaters.
This guy will never spin a # back to back

On the other hand there is no strategy successful which tries to harvest from these grapevines.

Til now! stay tuned.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: atlantis on Aug 21, 09:58 AM 2016
Yay! Sounds exciting. :)

Waiting to hear more details about MITCH. Thanks for sharing in advance.

Best wishes,
Atlantis.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 21, 10:24 AM 2016
Hope you will not serve us sour grapes...

I'm all ears!
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: tuddilue on Aug 21, 12:52 PM 2016
Always interesting to hear new stuff from you winkel!

Looking forward it!
-Tuddilue
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 12:58 PM 2016
As always this is FLATBET!

But first a lot of work to do!  :'(

You know that Dealers Signature is discussed very often. And Advantage Play should be the best.
But I swear this is altogether all methods and so it is simply the Best.

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 01:12 PM 2016
It is playable at B&M, OnlineCasinos, Touchbets.

The best would be, you´re not a Casino-Jumper, but visiting the same Casino very often. (For a start to learn it and than to transfer it even to unknown tables and wheels.)

My Theory:

If you do a statistic of Distances thrown by a Dealer, you will detect, that there are some "favorite" distances.
(But this is discussed with all possible arguments, so don´t dicuss it here again. It is just a hypothesis)

LOTT says that there are only 24 numbers in 37 spins. Any way you sort them up, there will always be Doubles and triples in that row of 37 spins.

But only hunting these Doubles and Triples doesn´t work very constantly and reliable. But we can detect: There are several numbers that always appear together or near to each other we can call them twins or triples. (Don´t discuss it is a crazy thinking).

But collecting and separating all these datas for each dealer would be crazy.

So I decided to collect only the data of a single table, thinking there is a steady crew, working at it.
So there will be dealers, who do the job we want them to do and there will be some that don´t.

This are all words of wisdom that sound crazy and they are, but later on they will show you the whole picture.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 21, 01:43 PM 2016
Thanks Winkel.


I am looking forward to what you want to show us.


Would be nice to keep this readable like a text book


If you want any crap deleting, let me know.


Falkor, dont start doing endless guessing with endless graphs. By all means do them in your own post.


(I can see it coming)
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Drazen on Aug 21, 02:03 PM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 21, 12:58 PM 2016As always this is FLATBET! But first a lot of work to do!  :'( You know that Dealers Signature is discussed very often. And Advantage Play should be the best. But I swear this is altogether all methods and so it is simply the Best.

Thank you for you contribution Mr. winkel.

If I may say my thought about this. Few years ago Flatino proposed me to do exactly  the same thing like you described here. The plan was to track dealers on Dublinbet and write each single spin for every of them and separate them by direction. Flatino knew that what you said here really is the truth. (But under some other conditions too.)

So we were tracking  distances and calculating most common distance for every dealer. I was doing tracking and Flatino did the calculations. I can't even explain how enormous and demanding that task was. My passion and will for beating the game was tested to the utmost. Every day I spent 5-8 hours staring into the wheel and writing down every spin with its direction. It took me many months for that... Plan was to track down about 3-4 K for each dealer and after analyzing about 1K of virtual play to confirm.

After 1 K-s we started to see on the horizon what we were hoping for. Some dealers were hopeless dough, and there wasn'tÂ't any pattern in their spinning. But some (usually more experienced) could be read like a book. Their distances for one or maybe both directions were very noticeable and I thought this is it. I can't wait to start ripping them offÂ.....

We were at about 9K of total collected spins and very soon we would start to play for real.

Then one morning I saw how maintenance technicians came, removed the wheel and replaced it with a new one. That was point when all my dreams burstÂ.... After that everything has changed. The dealers who were very consistent stopped being...Â... Analyze showed that everything started to return to the expectationsÂ......

So the wheel has a big role here. If it is changed then dealers patterns wont be the sameÂ.....

Best

Drazen
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 02:05 PM 2016
Thx so far.

But I need your help. Some like to say: Ooohhh that is so nicely working it is all prepared and artifical. Therfore it won´t succeed in the Long Run.

So pls give me a Link to a daily permanence of a table.
I will then start the next day and explain what is to do to start.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Drazen on Aug 21, 02:08 PM 2016
I was thinking to upload a few excel sheets to see how we were doing that. But I dont see attach file button? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 02:15 PM 2016
Hi Drazen,

I do believe that! And I understand everything.
I myself experienced that collecting of DB-Data and programming a nearly AI-Betting-Routine and see it fail.

I think: Probability cannot be desriped by any formula.
It has no formula.
Everything you think is wrong.

The more precise your math is and the more correct your statistics are, future spins will get you!

So I thought: forget about all the correctne, forget about all the known rules, forget about the laws that can be proven in the past but not in the future. Just do something stupid and that with a good plan.

Sounds crazy, is cryz, works like probability.

pls wait what I will tell.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 21, 03:18 PM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 21, 02:05 PM 2016So pls give me a Link to a daily permanence of a table.
how about table 3 duisburg

link:://permanenzen.westspiel.de/Download.ashx?casino=42
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 04:38 PM 2016
Thx Turner,

I also have the problem with uploading pictures. Can you pls manage. otherwise it will be very difficult to explain.

thx
br winkel


Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 21, 04:55 PM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 21, 04:38 PM 2016
Thx Turner,

I also have the problem with uploading pictures. Can you pls manage. otherwise it will be very difficult to explain.

thx
br winkel


I will try but I am waiting for Steve to reply on a few issues...one is about images.


What is the specific issue you have?
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 21, 05:26 PM 2016
If I'm in "Reply"-mode
- in other areas under this text window there is a modul "Attach" which is missing in this area.


Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 21, 06:26 PM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 21, 05:26 PM 2016
If I'm in "Reply"-mode
- in other areas under this text window there is a modul "Attach" which is missing in this area.


STEVE.....can you help here please.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 21, 06:47 PM 2016
You can upload picture to a hosting site

And paste it in the body using the mona lisa icon above
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Steve on Aug 21, 07:06 PM 2016
Exactly what is the problem with posting images? You can use clipboard or the new icon. There are also other options like attach file, and the original image icon while using :.pichost.org


This is cut and paste:


(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2016/08/21/temp_708282.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2016/08/21/temp_708282.png)


The new icon is having problems with some browsers so I'll notify the programmer

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 22, 01:30 AM 2016
@Winkel

Mortagon is posting Doublin's spins regularly, every day, here:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17121.msg163986;topicseen#msg163986
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 22, 05:23 PM 2016
Sorry guys,

it will take time til the problem is solved. i think there has only to be set a marker in basics of this special board and there will  be back "ATTACH"-frame.

Therefore something to start:
I chose the dublimbet-spins. Because most of you could play there.

Instead of starting with basics I will start with the way to bet.

I will give you 9 numbers which I extracted from 08/22nd spins Table 2 of DB.
How to extract later when I will be able to upload pics.

If 1 of these 9 numbers appears, bet all 9 numbers once.
If bet is lost wait for next trigger
If bet is won, bet again
Only flatbet!

Just get used to find the triggers and to bet and to see what is happening.
StopWin +17 after last bet.

trigger
bet -9 win+36 result +27
bet -9 lost +18 stop
(this is the stop-Win)

trigger
bet -9 win +36 +27
bet -9 win +36 +54
bet -9 lost +45 stop

The 9 numbers are: 2 4 7 8 10 21 23 28 29
(pls note: these are the numbers which work on DB T2 only. It is not the whole strategy. Its still explaining basics)

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Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 22, 05:25 PM 2016
Above the about 44 first numbers. You could try the rest of the perm.
But check best the perm 0f 23rd.

Answers so far welcome.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 23, 05:35 AM 2016
This is the result:

The 9 numbers are: 2 4 7 8 10 21 23 28 29
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 23, 05:42 AM 2016
I've continued till the end of spins....
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 23, 06:23 AM 2016
Quote from: NextYear on Aug 23, 05:42 AM 2016
I've continued till the end of spins....

Try the spins of the day before!

pls note that we are still in the explanation-mode.
- How to detect the numbers
- how to bet every spin
- how to flatbet
- how to play with progressions

will follow, but I have to be sure, people understand.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 23, 06:36 AM 2016
Hmm....

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 23, 06:45 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 23, 06:23 AM 2016... will follow, but I have to be sure, people understand.

What's there to understand?
I sometimes even can follow something of what Notto writes!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 23, 07:47 AM 2016
cool up to now. The betting is 9 numbers, and the rules of continuation are very clear.


Concise so far  :thumbsup:






Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 23, 07:53 AM 2016
And flat bet

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 23, 08:34 AM 2016
As you see the 23rd lost in the end.
But the 22nd had won in the end.

This is not winning every day!!!!!
Sometimes the numbers change and you have to follow the change! But that is is following as well.

One of the main ideas is: (born from a insane mind)
to produce repeaters or to produce favorite sectors is the reason for the LOTT
So every produced random spin sequence will necessarily create such phenomenons.

So what is the reason and what is the rhythm?
Because probability forces the randomness to deliver every number in the end.

So my theory is: The rhythm is also a "third"
But this "Third is moving" and our job is to catch it.

I just took a wheel - divided it into 3 sectors of 12 numbers. The Zero is just the middle of two sectors of 6 building a sector of 12.  :sad2:

Then I take a spin-sequence and fill in the hits.
After a while the dominant sectors will appear!
We need one dominant in each of our 3 sectors.

See picture



Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 23, 08:37 AM 2016
At this wheel, where I created this example, I would play these 9 numbers: 0 26 32 13 36 11 22 18 29
Or as simple bet: 0 one/one 36 one/one 18 one/one!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 23, 08:49 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 23, 08:37 AM 2016Or as simple bet: 0 one/one 36 one/one 18 one/one!!!!!!!
you may have to explain this again for me.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: denzie on Aug 23, 09:05 AM 2016
Quote from: Drazen on Aug 21, 02:03 PM 2016

So we were tracking  distances and calculating most common distance for every dealer.

Drazen
Did that myself too. Actually no idea why i stopped. I would say the average was 12-16 for my results.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: sniper on Aug 23, 09:36 AM 2016
Professor Winkel,

Thanks for your dominant sector system.

How many spins are needed before you can start betting?

Can the betting numbers be changed as new dominant sectors are form?

Thanks and regards.

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 23, 09:50 AM 2016
Quote from: sniper on Aug 23, 09:36 AM 2016How many spins are needed before you can start betting?
I was gonna ask same (20ish)

Also, do you rotate the triangle to fit 3 dominant areas? Could be less spins to do so.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 23, 10:42 AM 2016
Quote0 one/one 36 one/one 18 one/one
There are 3 sectors of 3 numbers each. to bet in a B&M you can announce the center number with its neighbors 1 each side.


QuoteHow many spins are needed before you can start betting?
You can take the first spins you can see (marquee or freshly dealt) or the numbers of the day before it doesn´t matter (wait for further explanation)

When is a sector "dominant": We need 3 numbers close to each other. I sector in every sector of 12.

If you have one number with 3 hits - take this number as middle and 1 each side
If you have 2 and 1 take the 2number and 1 each side.
If you have 1 1 1 take the middle and 1 each side (  ;) )
If you have 2_1 or 1_2 take the _ and 1 number each side

What ever you do with the triangle, I didn´t test it! I just took these partitions.

QuoteCan the betting numbers be changed as new dominant sectors are form?
the average was 12-16 for my results.
Could be less spins to do so.

Good questions!
Average 12 to 16 that explains why it is all about the "Third"(of 36). but I don´t just take 12 "or" 16 I just take the distances the dealer  is working with at the moment. These show very fast building these dominant sectors.
Pls note that we just reduce the picking to the "table" or "wheel" not matter who the dealer is.
Don´t hurry (Could be less spins to do so) take time, this problem disappears if you know the whole system.
Of course there is a changing of the betting numbers or dominant sectors. but that does no harm!
no hit no trigger no bet no loss.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: sniper on Aug 23, 11:08 AM 2016
QuoteAverage 12 to 16 that explains why it is all about the "Third"(of 36). but I don´t just take 12 "or" 16 I just take the distances the dealer  is working with at the moment. These show very fast building these dominant sectors.
Pls note that we just reduce the picking to the "table" or "wheel" not matter who the dealer is.
Don´t hurry (Could be less spins to do so) take time, this problem disappears if you know the whole system.
Of course there is a changing of the betting numbers or dominant sectors. but that does no harm!
no hit no trigger no bet no loss..

Professor, thank you for your prompt reply
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 24, 06:19 AM 2016
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Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 24, 06:38 AM 2016
I've continued till the end of spins....
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 24, 08:38 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 23, 06:23 AM 2016- how to bet every spin
wondering about this as its important to me

I tried keeping the trigger hits on until the next trigger then play the 9. Some had 2 chips

Say 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 are the no.s

x is not in the 9
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X    1       -10  <<1
X    1       --11  <<1
2     9       -20 <<1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
x     2       -22  <<1,2
x     2       -24  <<1,2 


Just trying winkel, dont want to distract   
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 24, 09:06 AM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 24, 08:38 AM 2016
wondering about this as its important to me

But you know that betting every spin doesn´t mean winning every spin!
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 24, 09:25 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 24, 09:06 AM 2016
But you know that betting every spin doesn´t mean winning every spin!


of course :twisted:


just interested what you meant....infact...Ive done a Falkor...trying to guess


Shut up Turner
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 24, 11:36 AM 2016
Winkel, if you aloud little digression (as you are wikipedia on Roulette statistics), please:

- how often can we see 20 numbers without repeater?
- in how many spins 3s become 4s?

Danke vielmals in advance!
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 25, 07:48 AM 2016
Quote from: NextYear on Aug 24, 11:36 AM 2016
Winkel, if you aloud little digression (as you are wikipedia on Roulette statistics), please:

- how often can we see 20 numbers without repeater?
- in how many spins 3s become 4s?

Danke vielmals in advance!

Sorry,
I don´t have these statistics
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 25, 07:56 AM 2016
Ok, thanks!
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 25, 03:52 PM 2016
Todays number in 2 parts.

I have waited for such a trot to show you something very important:

Picture 1:
You see our numbers are hitting but only once. We need at least twice.
After a while with no results we look back and notice that there is a rhythm that our numbers hit every 3rd spin after a hit.

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 25, 03:55 PM 2016
Then there was a single hit which brought us back to -9.

But thats not very helpfull so we decide: After the next hit we try to catch the hit in the third spin.
So we do not bet only once but three times. (If you see a rhythm with hits in the second spin, then bet twice)

First what had happened if we didn´t bet three times:

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 25, 04:00 PM 2016
You can see on the calculation on right side that we had another hit that brought us to +18
Lets have a look what happened when we take the three times betting from the left sid into the calculation:

We fulfilled our rule Stop +18 after lost bet.

At the end we lost our 3rd bet. so we stop also the rhythm-bet. (If we would go on) but we stopp with +27
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 26, 01:59 AM 2016
Understood, thanks!
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 26, 05:27 AM 2016
Today our numbers worked again.

Notice: It is not winning every day. Some days are bad and a loss. Find a stopploss/stopprisc (Watch what is going on)
Target: not to lose more than 4 days/month. If so, then change numbers.
Often: You will see, that the next day our numbers are working that nice, that you can at least double your target from 18 to 36 units winstopp

To show you another way to get out of a bad streak and to play every spin I have to wait for a Perm that gives a good way to explain. Pls wait!

todays results: see picture


Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 26, 06:21 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 26, 05:27 AM 2016Target: not to lose more than 4 days/month. If so, then change numbers.
I am in a position to ask questions now I am familiar with the idea

so, we would see what groupings of 3 there are to make 9 and have that set of numbers for that wheel and play that as long as its winning?

The numbers were a very temporary bias after 15 or so spins, but we keep the same numbers for weeks?


This part I am not understanding as much as the betting etc. i.e The bet selection.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 26, 06:32 AM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Aug 26, 06:21 AM 2016
I am in a position to ask questions now I am familiar with the idea

so, we would see what groupings of 3 there are to make 9 and have that set of numbers for that wheel and play that as long as its winning?
YES
The numbers were a very temporary bias after 15 or so spins, but we keep the same numbers for weeks?
YES

This part I am not understanding as much as the betting etc. i.e The bet selection.



I know it seems to be crazy and it is. You will find no arguments why these numbers. You will find no argument how long you have to bet. Just stop these numbers, when you start losing.

If you feel nice go and select new numbers every start of a game. But that will make it difficult for you to follow further explanations.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Aug 26, 09:02 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 26, 06:32 AM 2016
I know it seems to be crazy and it is. You will find no arguments why these numbers. You will find no argument how long you have to bet. Just stop these numbers, when you start losing.

If you feel nice go and select new numbers every start of a game. But that will make it difficult for you to follow further explanations.


Cleared up. Thanks Winkel :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Blue_Angel on Aug 26, 11:11 AM 2016
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2016/08/26/temp_163153.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/s2b9)

Now this is what I call bikini, or Bermuda triangle!   ;)
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 27, 06:44 AM 2016
 
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Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 27, 06:48 AM 2016
Sorry,

I can´t explain anything today. I feel sick. I´ll be back asap.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 27, 06:53 AM 2016
Thanks Winkel!

Anyway. nothing to explain in today's example.

Get well soon!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 28, 08:42 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Aug 23, 10:42 AM 2016Don´t hurry (Could be less spins to do so) take time, this problem disappears if you know the whole system.
Been looking on smart phone signal not been great, is the whole system shown?
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Aug 28, 09:24 AM 2016
 >:D
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 28, 08:42 AM 2016
Been looking on smart phone signal not been great, is the whole system shown?

Not yet, just basics till now.
Waiting for favorable numbers for further explaining.

Winkel not well, atm!
Buy bigger screen  >:D
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 28, 11:17 AM 2016
Does this system rely on dealer's signature, i.e mechanical? Or is based on maths?
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Aug 29, 06:43 AM 2016
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 28, 11:17 AM 2016
Does this system rely on dealer's signature, i.e mechanical? Or is based on maths?

If you had read, you had known.

No, it is based on crazy ideas
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 04, 06:57 AM 2016
Anyone trying this
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Sep 04, 07:07 AM 2016
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 06:57 AM 2016
Anyone trying this
I have tried this. Miixed results.
I would understand it better if the 9 BS was changed on a rolling basis.
I am also trying to play the numbers which are hitting above exp. With a mild pos prog.
I am also trying to play every spin
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 04, 07:29 AM 2016
Hi Turner.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Blue_Angel on Sep 04, 07:35 AM 2016
@ Winkel,
I'm apologising if I have offend you, my intention was not this.
I just expressed my objections against GUT, please don't take it personally.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Sep 04, 11:40 AM 2016
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 07:29 AM 2016
Hi Turner.
I see what you mean. Similar tweeks to me
Im in menorca so only phone.
Ill look at this when home thursday
33C and they have red wine. Im distracted :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: NextYear on Sep 04, 12:07 PM 2016
Turner, long (and joyful) holidays (may) you have!?
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Sep 04, 12:33 PM 2016
Quote from: NextYear on Sep 04, 12:07 PM 2016
Turner, long (and joyful) holidays (may) you have!?
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Sep 04, 03:27 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Sep 04, 11:40 AM 2016
I see what you mean. Similar tweeks to me
Im in menorca so only phone.
Ill look at this when home thursday
33C and they have red wine. Im distracted :thumbsup:
Ken didnt like this.
Why didnt you like it ken?
Is 33C too hot?
Am I getting on with people?
or was it just a mistake like the other 4
Answers on a postcard lol
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Blue_Angel on Sep 04, 03:44 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Sep 04, 03:27 PM 2016
Ken didnt like this.
Why didnt you like it ken?
Is 33C too hot?
Am I getting on with people?
or was it just a mistake like the other 4
Answers on a postcard lol

You are getting soft, that's what.
BTW, I've your situation 7 days per week, should I start reporting every single day?

Ken the troubled aging rebel, don't you really know the score?
Do you think you can change this silly world?
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Sep 04, 03:51 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Sep 04, 03:44 PM 2016
You are getting soft, that's what.
BTW, I've your situation 7 days per week, should I start reporting every single day?

Ken the troubled aging rebel, don't you really know the score?
Do you think you can change this silly world?
Lol....bless
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 04, 04:54 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Sep 04, 03:27 PM 2016
Ken didnt like this.
Why didnt you like it ken?
Is 33C too hot?
Am I getting on with people?
or was it just a mistake like the other 4
Answers on a postcard lol

So that -5 should not dip to less than -5, correct? I'm still trying to figure out the (member) FreeRoulette thing which I PMed you about. I need to update my notebook correctly. If something is "off", I'll notice it.

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:06 PM 2016
I think he disliked that post because of the wine?

I will update my notebook. Something's off.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:08 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Sep 04, 03:27 PM 2016
Ken didnt like this.


all of me 18 dislikes are mr J and/or Calebl. lol.

i call those 2 the thundercats

never seen so much ass kissing in my life


(link:s://funnyonpaper.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kissing_ass.jpg)
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:13 PM 2016
now with all honesty

I believe this strategy winkel has presented is definitely a method and NOT a system.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 04, 05:16 PM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:06 PM 2016
I think he disliked that post because of the wine?

I will update my notebook. Something's off.

My question was to Turner (and you knew that), not to you. Relax RG, I'm off to the CASINO.

Enjoy doing....whatever it is here you do? (lol)

You post and I'll play, later buddy.

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:17 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 04, 05:16 PM 2016


You post and I'll play, later buddy.

Ken

If that was the case the forum would be a much better place. Go play!

you see, i posted a method....and tests...and you disrupted that thread yesterday. a thread in the system play sub forum. and you just had to chime in. Now I know why you were there. You ARE a system player. A euphemism of saying method doesnt change that

you opened pandoras box of my ongoing assault on you.

you started it and i will finish it, now go!
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:43 AM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:17 PM 2016


  You ARE a system player.



I dont play systems, I play methods.

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Sep 05, 02:17 PM 2016
OOOOOOHHHH boys,

you know how I hate my work interrupted.

If you need a thread to fight that urgent: Here it is. you can take over.

I´m tired of this.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Madi on Sep 05, 07:05 PM 2016
Thanks mr winkel. I can see the balance. The wheel temporarily shifting the balance to the players side and goes back again to normal .
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Azim on Sep 06, 10:12 AM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:08 PM 2016
all of me 18 dislikes are mr J and/or Calebl. lol.

i call those 2 the thundercats

never seen so much ass kissing in my life


(link:s://funnyonpaper.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kissing_ass.jpg)


I have 6 ->  5 from Mr J and 1 from General.  Go figure how childish they are.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 06, 10:29 AM 2016
A bit inconsistent? I dont hear much when there is an opposite.

If someone has 15 likes and 12 of them are from the same person, is that ok? Does it (or should it) stand out? Should we debate it?

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Azim on Sep 06, 10:41 AM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 06, 10:29 AM 2016
A bit inconsistent? I dont hear much when there is an opposite.

If someone has 15 likes and 12 of them are from the same person, is that ok? Does it (or should it) stand out? Should we debate it?

Ken

Here is how S**  you are:

This doesn't even concern you and you poke your s* head into it.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////


We start betting at spin 21.
If  win we re-track, which is any number or only if positive bankroll?
When do you stop tracking the current session, if there is no win?


////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////



Go get a life.
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 06, 10:50 AM 2016
Quote from: Azim on Sep 06, 10:41 AM 2016


This doesn't even concern you 



WE (the board) had this discussion some time back. If *MY NAME* is in it (which it is), then, it does concern me regardless if you enjoy me responding or not.

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Azim on Sep 06, 01:19 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 06, 10:50 AM 2016
WE (the board) had this discussion some time back. If *MY NAME* is in it (which it is), then, it does concern me regardless if you enjoy me responding or not.

Ken

Like I always said you are a S*** head...

Go get a life...
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Blue_Angel on Sep 06, 01:43 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 06, 10:29 AM 2016
A bit inconsistent? I dont hear much when there is an opposite.

If someone has 15 likes and 12 of them are from the same person, is that ok? Does it (or should it) stand out? Should we debate it?

Ken

So now "likes" became a measurement of integrity and human's worthiness??
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 06, 03:49 PM 2016
Quote from: Azim on Sep 06, 01:19 PM 2016
Like I always said you are a S*** head...

Go get a life...

Like I said...if my NAME is in a post (or insinuated), I am ENTITLED to respond and defend myself.

Please get a life !!

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 06, 03:51 PM 2016
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Sep 06, 01:43 PM 2016
So now "likes" became a measurement of integrity and human's worthiness??

You're asking the wrong guy. If DISLIKES have become a measurement of integrity and human's worthiness, should we also be talking about the multiple LIKES a person gets from the SAME person?

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 03:52 PM 2016
Good god

What an air head. Seriously.

Not an ounce of wit.......
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 06, 03:58 PM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 03:52 PM 2016
Good god

What an air head. Seriously.

Not an ounce of wit.......

....wait now RG. You are the one who got this ball rolling regarding so many DISLIKES against you from only two posters, remember that post? As usual, you have started s**t....again.

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 06, 04:07 PM 2016
Quote from: Azim on Sep 06, 04:02 PM 2016
How many dislikes do you want me to start giving you right now...



As many as you want, why would I care? If you think thats what this is about, back to school for you kid. Please stop attacking me, its not very polite !!

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Azim on Sep 06, 04:32 PM 2016
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 06, 04:07 PM 2016
As many as you want, why would I care? If you think thats what this is about, back to school for you kid. Please stop attacking me, its not very polite !!

Ken

Looks like you do care that's why you giving them out like a kid with a candy  crying..   when the candy is taken away...


Just like a CRYING WOLF
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 04:35 PM 2016
Quote from: Azim on Sep 06, 04:32 PM 2016
Looks like you do care that's why you giving them out like a kid with a candy  crying..   when the candy is taken away...


Just like a CRYING WOLF

Just let it go

I think i know whats going on here

He is deliberately looking for a rise and disruption

Let it slide not worth it
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: MrJ on Sep 06, 04:37 PM 2016
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 04:35 PM 2016
Just let it go

I think i know whats going on here

He is deliberately looking for a rise and disruption

Let it slide not worth it

Nope, wrong again. I love how I get attacked and when I RESPOND, I am "looking for a rise"? Its real simple, I wont back down. Leave me alone, its not too tough.

Ken
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 04:39 PM 2016
It is like you replaced Tom Hanks in "Big 2"

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 08, 07:32 AM 2016
Prof
are you going to continue with this topic, there's plenty waiting.

If some people come in to the topic with stupid comments ask Turner to remove it.

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Sep 08, 09:25 AM 2016
No I´m not going to continue.

1. I´m not well at the moment.
2. I´m angry because people did destruct this topic. Including the mod that said he would be take care of this topic clean.

That MrJ spites me is no meaning. Because an I d i o t can´t do harm to me.
He is destroying nearly every forum on the net. And now he destroyed delieberately my post and he is allowed to do so. Steve loves him because he is polite.  >:D
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 08, 10:15 AM 2016
Thanks prof
Look forward to when you are better and can finish the topic
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: Turner on Sep 08, 11:41 AM 2016
Quote from: winkel on Sep 08, 09:25 AM 2016including the mod that said he would be take care of this topic clean
The mod has a name...Turner

Quote from: Turner on Aug 21, 01:43 PM 2016
Thanks Winkel.


I am looking forward to what you want to show us.


Would be nice to keep this readable like a text book


If you want any crap deleting, let me know.


Falkor, dont start doing endless guessing with endless graphs. By all means do them in your own post.


(I can see it coming)

Winkel....sorry to hear you are not well, however, I said 'let me know"
You didnt
Couldn't of been more polite and supportive if I had tried so dont take the huff with me as if its my fault
I dont have internet. Gardeners went through the cable.
I cant tidy this up on my phone. Cable is coming today.
I will tidy this up...probably with no thanks
Sorry if some posts go because you quoted a post that has to go
Hey ho
Note:Winkel wants this kept on topic
Me too
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 08, 12:58 PM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Sep 08, 11:41 AM 2016Note:Winkel wants this kept on topic
Me too
That makes 2 of us
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 27, 08:07 AM 2016
Quote from: Turner on Sep 04, 11:40 AM 2016
I see what you mean. Similar tweeks to me  can you Shed any light Turner
Im in menorca so only phone.
Ill look at this when home thursday
33C and they have red wine. Im distracted :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 04, 08:22 AM 2017
Hi Winkel,
1st hope you have a good year 2017  :thumbsup:

A question, i know the answer, but thought i'd ask to see if you have any data on betting just 9 numbers.

Mitch is a 9 number bet, but to me although they resemble the best hit numbers on the wheel at the time of starting and collecting over x spins, from data collected the remaining 9 of the starting 37 is a better selection to me.

Take granps way bet 9 on the mat, but just because they overlap, is it good enough to bet? me no, as seen the 9 numbers take 34 spins on to many occasions. Where as the last 9 of the 37 has a max of 16 on jackpot data to date, max 23 on FOBT

Notto
Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: winkel on Jan 04, 12:31 PM 2017
Hi Nottop,

If you bet 9 numbers, then you have a hitrate of 9/37.
No matter how and where you pick them up.

All tries with last 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 last numbers with and without progression failed.

So why is MITCH different. It refers to sectors most hit by that dealer.

Title: Re: Devil´s Grail - Made in the Casino´s Hell - aka MITCH
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 05, 10:18 AM 2017
So is MITCH going to be playable on RNG.
Thanks