Well now, after playing "track3" what i noticed IS that a few numbers always hit as hell, and it seems to be always like that(?) Therefore, this system takes advantage of those few hottest of the hot numbers that hit like hell, (in the sort term), as similar with MrJ's "catch the 8 train" I don't know, this is my way of playing it:
Procedure: Track all numbers until you got one number that hits 3 times, start betting that, and all other numbers that comes up that hit 3 times, AS SOON as one number hit 4 times, all bets are removed and only that 4 hitter is bet; Repeat procedure--bet all numbers that hit 4 times, AS SOON as one number hit 5 times all bets are removed and only that 5 hitter is bet. Now, when you reach 6 hits, things start to crystalize; there will only be 1-2 of the hottest of the hot numbers, so when you reach a 7th hit, keep the 6 hitter and the 7 hitter. (The two hottest) How long can this go on? Not further than 8-10 hits on the hottest of the hot. i.e Quit/Restart when you reach 8-10 hits on the hottest of the hot.
Use spinmaster for tracking hotnumbers. (see attachement)
Feel free to test this one!
For Live-Wheels only, FLATBET.
(First test was played with 5u bets)
I have a feeling that this one will do very very well!!!!!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 20, 02:19 PM 2016
I have a feeling that this one will do very very well!!!!!
Well, greed will kill you for sure, this one is a SHORT-Term strategy, and the trick to win is quit while you're ahead of the game, at a certain point everything will go south. Also try not to bet to many numbers, This can be tempting when you think the hottest of the hot will always and forever hit, (it won't) so hit and run! :)
Test 2.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 20, 02:19 PM 2016I have a feeling that this one will do very very well!!!!!
Agree. Nice one
I like this system also a lot. Looks promising since everyone is now into hot numbers. I think it could be tested also for RNG but whatever you prefer.
I had tested also something similar starting betting only from 3hits and above so as to reduce the total bet numbers.
I couldn't code it though since I don't know how to and I had tested it only at hand. It had very good results for 200-300 spins. I couldn't do it for any longer by hand.
Please keep the tests running on this one. I believe lots of people here are interested in this approach of yours about hot numbers. There will be interest on this. I hope you keep the tests coming like you do with your other systems.
Do you have a stoploss for this one or no need?
So far we are +177 Units in 379 spins. DrawDown: -78 Units
Keep them rolling. i will keep record on this :)
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 20, 05:39 PM 2016Do you have a stoploss for this one or no need?
stoploss, for me, is -500u playing with 5u bets, -100u playing with 1u bets, but this is not set in stone, perhaps someone got a better moneymangement plan(?) Stoploss could also be 2*500 for 5u bets or 2*100 fpr 1u bets, it depend on the kinda risk you want to take
Test 3.
Test 4.
test 5 & 6.
It is the train. Only if I'm not mistaken Ken stops at 6 hits. And no more than 4 numbers. Perhaps post there...would be more fair ;)
Quote from: denzie on Sep 21, 01:07 AM 2016And no more than 4 numbers
Well, we play it different, I bet ALL number hit 3 times, then remove all bets with a 4 hitter comes and so on. Furthermore, when reaching 7-8 hits i keep the 2-4 hottest, sometimes, many times only 1-2 numbers, trick is to quit when you made some profit, as you can see in the charts i stop when winning 100-300u (playing with 5u bets)
test 7.
Test 8. I thought i was going to lose this one, but after 200spin it started to hit. My trick as i said, when you reach 7-8 hits, there is only afew numbers that make it that far, so you better keep the 2-4 hottest, (after 7-8 hits)....Furthermore the uppermost limit (it seems) is not 8-10 hits on the hottest of the hot, but the upper limit, (from this test) was 17 hits, then it started to decline,
What is more stoploss (bankroll needed) IS: 200u playing with 1u bets, 1000u for playing with 5u bets.
cheers
Quote from: denzie on Sep 21, 01:07 AM 2016It is the train. Only if I'm not mistaken Ken stops at 6 hits. And no more than 4 numbers. Perhaps post there...would be more fair
I don't know the train system but as you say it may look similar. Though as both you and ignatus point out there are some small differences in bet size etc. Let's not mix the threads. we will be lost like many times has happen. We can keep posting in this one so as to got all the new stats together :)
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 21, 04:40 AM 2016What is more stoploss (bankroll needed) IS: 200u playing with 1u bets, 1000u for playing with 5u bets.
So we have stop loss of 200 units (adjustments on base unit as always)
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 21, 01:16 AM 2016trick is to quit when you made some profit, as you can see in the charts i stop when winning 100-300u (playing with 5u bets)
We have no definite win target? we stop when we have profit enough? Looks good to me. anyway mainly we care for the stop loss I guess, not any profit coming in.
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 21, 04:40 AM 2016Furthermore the uppermost limit (it seems) is not 8-10 hits on the hottest of the hot, but the upper limit, (from this test) was 17 hits, then it started to decline,
Did you continue to bet on this test until the number got hit 17 times? Looks risky. Or did you stop at 8-10 as you stated in the procedure in the beginning?
SUMMARY SO FAR
8/8 sessions won
Spins: 1090
Balance: +564 Units
Max DD: -165 Units
Let's keep it rolling. Maybe we should reach at least 10.000 spins to be more based on evidence and long run? So far so good. ;)
PS: Finally we have an attempt of a system on hot numbers that is actually tested! Not with only theoretical talk. We had great ideas and discussions on hot numbers but there wasn't any actual tests as I was hoping. I was also suggesting actual tests on many spins and tuning discussion on the results AFTER. It's good that someone knowing RX posts on hot number system. Let's see them finally in action.
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 21, 06:25 AM 2016Did you continue to bet on this test until the number got hit 17 times? Looks risky. Or did you stop at 8-10 as you stated in the procedure in the beginning?
SUMMARY SO FAR
8/8 sessions won
Spins: 1090
Balance: +564 Units
Max DD: -165 Units
Let's keep it rolling. Maybe we should reach at least 10.000 spins to be more based on evidence and long run? So far so good.
Yes, i stopped after one number had hit 17 times, (just to see how far it could go)... Normaly you should stop and re-track eariler, testing it for 10 000 spins, yes? if you stop and retrack after ~200 spins, or when you reach a new high 2-3 times in a row...sound fair to me
I hope more people are interested in testing this one, (so we can all share results!). I can only play manually with RX (and spinmaster) I test now and then, when i have time and motivation to do it
I din't mean to test 10.000 all at once in a big result. Even though that could be useful. I meant we can continue making these small test of 150-250 spins each. I add them up in the end anyway so it's like a test with many spins. We are already at 1000+ spins tested. Adding up the short run tests that you do is showing us the long run of the system. There is no need to change what you do. We just add them up and get the long run eventually ;)
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 21, 06:34 AM 2016Yes, i stopped after one number had hit 17 times, (just to see how far it could go)...
I think you should have stopped at 8-10 as you propose on the system. Now you violated your own rules :P anyway. At least we should not violate the 200 Units stoploss
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 21, 06:34 AM 2016I can only play manually with RX (and spinmaster)
I thought you were doing it automatically coded on RX. pitty. Does anyone that knows coding can help on this part? You can see already by 1000+ spins that looks worth a try at coding
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 21, 07:12 AM 2016We are already at 1000+ spins tested. Adding up the short run tests that you do is showing us the long run of the system.
Yes, because that was me testing it, talk is cheap, if you like it so much, why don't you do your own testings and publish the results? I put it in "testing zone" for a reason? :/
I know that. I have already completed 3 sessions +43 +66 and +37 units each one. Total in 316 spins. It's not big data yet so I was just waiting to make some more testings and post them all together so as not to flood the thread with post after post.
I'm not telling you to do all the testing and the hard work. I'm also in the process of that.:thumbsup:
Don't be offended for no reason. I even said i'm glad it is finally tested in real and not in theory .
All I said if there was someone that can help in coding it for faster massive spin results.
I hope more users than me and you could post any result on this one.
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 21, 10:32 AM 2016I have already completed 3 sessions +43 +66 and +37 units each one. Total in 316 spins.
Thanks for testing :) I will do more testings when i have the time!
cheers
I have a problem though. anyone can come up with an idea?
I don't know when exactly to stop the progress... :twisted:
when i'm in a specific win target like +50 +100 units? when i'm just the minimum above bankroll (new high)? when 8-10 repeaters reach?
i'm not trusting my gut feeling on this. and it's not that useful for many tests in long run. there needs to be something more like a rule and not so free. i'm still searching it. any ideas are welcome
Test 9.
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 21, 10:55 AM 2016
I have a problem though. anyone can come up with an idea?
I don't know when exactly to stop the progress... :twisted:
when i'm in a specific win target like +50 +100 units? when i'm just the minimum above bankroll (new high)? when 8-10 repeaters reach?
i'm not trusting my gut feeling on this. and it's not that useful for many tests in long run. there needs to be something more like a rule and not so free. i'm still searching it. any ideas are welcome
I'm not an expert when it comes to moneymanagement, but I remember MrJ once told me HE stop after +20% of the original bankroll.
That mean,
playing with 5u bets, with a bankroll of 1000u, wingoal is then +200u,
playing with 1u bets with a bankroll of 200u wingoal is then +40u.
For me, i usually reach something like that after 2-3 hits (if no big drawdowns)
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 21, 01:58 PM 2016playing with 5u bets, with a bankroll of 1000u, wingoal is then +200u,
playing with 1u bets with a bankroll of 200u wingoal is then +40u.
I agree on the approach but I was thinking target around 60-65 units. I'm afraid if I stop it at 40 I will miss big part of the momentum of the system which makes lot of profit during the end at 5-6-7 hitters :/
Most of the times I cover any loses at the last stages of the system. so far though 14/14 sessions won :)
10/10 Games won >:D >:D O0 :ooh: :love: :love: 8)
From now on, i stop as soon i win 200u or above,...(playing with 5u bets)
cheers
11/11 Games won 8)
Quote from: ignatus link=topic=17842.msg166078#msg166078
From now on, i stop as soon i win 200u or above,...(playing with 5u bets)
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When it comes to the best mm....I always test each session to the max. And after few 100 sessions you can decide which is best.
10% 15% 20%.........
-100u -150u -200u.......
11/12 Games won
Had my first loss. Not all days can be winning days
Lovely :) Of course we can't win all sessions but so far the total is positive. A LOT positive actually!!
What I have come as a Win target so far is slightly more complicated but it works so far. What I do to determine when to stop is:
1) I reach +64 units profit I stop anytime (+63,25 units is the average profit of all the 16 sessions so far).
IF I can't reach that then:
2) I stop with any profit that I have once a number hit for 8th time (I don't want to elongate the session and chase 9th 10th 11th etc hit. It's going too far imo)
IF I have reached the 8th hit but still in negative
3) I continue to play with the same style until I reach ANY profit. Like +1 unit (new high)
I STOP if I still can't reach that any new high (situation 3) and the 200 Stop Loss unit occur which stops me.
What do you think of that? Anyone has any suggestions?
So far combining ignatus's sessions and mine we add up to:
17/18 sessions won
Total Spins: 2274
Balance: +897 Units
Max DD: -202 (1x the Stop Loss of the lost session)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
12/13 Games won
13/14 Games won
14/15 Games won
15/16 Games won ^-^
16/17 Games won
17/18 Games won
19/20 Games won O0 O0
nice. this is one of the few systems i like testing and feel comfortable thinking to use it in real. I have done also more tests. I hope I will find time by Sunday or by Monday to post them here and add them up. I intend also to send you a PM ONCE I find more time from work by Monday :-\
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 23, 07:56 PM 2016
nice. this is one of the few systems i like testing and feel comfortable thinking to use it in real. I have done also more tests. I hope I will find time by Sunday or by Monday to post them here and add them up. I intend also to send you a PM ONCE I find more time from work by Monday :-\
Thanks, yes, there is not much to prove anymore? What i've found is one of the best hotnumbers system...it's nothing new, obviously (MrJ's Catch the 8 train, is similar) but i play it a little differently...
it's a phenomenon that reccurs, it ALWAYS happen, a few numbers will always hit more than the others, a few numbers will always hit less than the others etc...I don't know how to explain it, but that's the way it is, if it's random or what causes this phenomenon...
see this is a very good system!! congrats
It is going VERY GOOD. It's based on pretty solid theory behind it and not hocus pocus, gut feeling,intuition, trend etc. my new favorite for inside bets. I have my own personal favorite for EC bets which is doing so far so good but this one is my fav inside straight bets system.
It looks like "catch the train" that I checked it indeed. But it has few tweaks/differences. Like betting more numbers after a threshold and above. I have tweaked bit the system too. Also tweaked the Win target and Stop Loss as is seen in this thread a bit. I have 3-4 different win target criteria. But the results are great.
Combining my results on RNG and ignatus's results on live spins RX it made quite a profit. I will stop posting and making more sessions public (I'll keep doing for myself) as I think anyone that is interested on it can follow the posts and make his own changes, tweaks if he likes. He won't need any more proof. System is already at 4K+ spins in profit. (public results). I will just post the last total sum up of all our sessions and leave it "as is". I will probably use it IRL.
So... the total results so far...
37 sessions (21 Ignatus and 16 me)
35/37 sessions won
Total spins: 4274
Balance: +1548 Units
Max DD -202 Units (one of the 2 lost sessions at 200u Stop Loss) :thumbsup:
Thread is open to discussion and improvement ideas. What you think?
PS: If anyone is interested by the results and knows how to code it in RX, he/she can PM me. I would be happy to see it in longrun coded :)
Solid work by ignatus
Give the man credit
Never stops!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 27, 03:10 PM 2016Solid work by ignatus
Give the man credit
Never stops!
Yeap. I liked this system the moment I saw the procedure and why it works. He did good job on this and I'm glad we tested it so far. Now I'm waiting for the next step. Stepping up the game ;)
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 21, 04:40 AM 2016
Test 8. I thought i was going to lose this one, but after 200spin it started to hit. My trick as i said, when you reach 7-8 hits, there is only afew numbers that make it that far, so you better keep the 2-4 hottest, (after 7-8 hits)....Furthermore the uppermost limit (it seems) is not 8-10 hits on the hottest of the hot, but the upper limit, (from this test) was 17 hits, then it started to decline,
What is more stoploss (bankroll needed) IS: 200u playing with 1u bets, 1000u for playing with 5u bets.
cheers
There is no way I could call reply 12 a win, sorry.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 01, 06:04 PM 2016There is no way I could call reply 12 a win, sorry.
By the strict procedure described in thread opening you are right. It specifies no stop loss limits and mainly tracks until hit8.
But the system as you see was added 200u stop loss (which wasn't met ).
So... did it passed the stoploss? No (only -165u)
Did it fnished in profit? Yes (+87u)
Why you wouldn't count it?
If you have though any improvements or ideas for
win target /session stop and retracking I'm all ears :)
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Oct 01, 07:40 PM 2016
If you have though any improvements or ideas for win target /session stop and retracking I'm all ears :)
Don't hold your breath :)
I test and test
Develop and develop
But ignatus has a gift
He doesn't give up
Thats admirable
Whether you agree with the method or not
Ignatus and proof deserve forum awards for productivity
In pdf file I send graphs from my Online roulette games.
I played by William Hill Online Casino by Ignatius rules â€" for tracking I use Nick's sleepers excel sheet which I adapted for use.
Results are, must said, disappointing , but funny thing is, when I use my old data base from same casino, results were very good!
Anyway, sometime I "step inside" game little later so I did not lost lot.
My idea for win target is 50u, for stop loss 150u.
Sorry for bad English.
Nice strategy, ill definately try this one.
Had a fair bit of testing hot numbers. Local live roulette wheel has a nice 5 hottest & 5 coldest numbers recorded and even as a smart button where you can bet on all 5 in one go. Didnt trust them at first .. i mean why give me the hottest numbers for free? So i manually wrote down the numbers myself but it actually turned out i kept getting the same numbers as the site had listed, sure there was the odd 2 lowest of the "hot" could swap places and perhaps the softwares was 1-2 turns to late in register. Still i could live with that.
So i had a couple of sessions just betting 1 unit on those 5 hottest numbers and it worked well. Was surpriced that it toally streaked from time to time where youll get like 4 numbers hit in just 15 spins. Could take a while sometimes but llike 15-17 spin at most. Even came up with a completely "survival" progression of 20 spins going as cheap as i could like 5-5-5-5-5-5-5-6-6 .... because sure enough there be times when id just recover with 1-2 units but in between id win units & wait for it to "streak". Worked well for a couple of small sessions.
Then it happened of cause. Poles shifted, water rose, temperatues dropped 9000 degrees and the wheel turned into a ice machine. 41 spins without a single hit. Thankfully ,my progresssion wasnt longer, or it wouldnt just have ate my last couple of winnings. Still surpriced it could go so long, sure the hot number do change during the 41 spins but still. Never think id see the hottest turn cold that continously.
The point of my sob story: there is definately streaking hot numbers.
Back on topic: Anyways, i like you strategy, its very conservative with the flatbet on just a single number (or 2 later) and you can play quite a long time with that little a bet and stay afloat catching when a number streaks. Definately want to set a stopbet as well tho.
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Oct 03, 04:18 PM 2016the flatbet on just a single number (or 2 later)
Bets can be more than 2 numbers. In some of my sessions there were up to 5-6 numbers. I have a pretty rare occasion with 8-9 bets.
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Oct 03, 04:18 PM 2016Definately want to set a stopbet as well tho.
The stoploss in the thread was suggested at 200units. Of course there is no rule on this and you can try other limits as well. It's up to you.
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Oct 03, 04:18 PM 2016ill definately try this one.
If you try it it, please at least DO post here any results as it can help on system's analysis/correction ideas :thumbsup:
Imagine this with a positive progression.
That 17 hitter would return big bucks.
Keep the br low. If there's no clear hottie you reduce the losses this way
When to stop? If your hottie didn't show in 35 spins
:thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 08:58 AM 2016Imagine this with a positive progression.
Keep the br low. If there's no clear hottie you reduce the losses this way
How do you mean positive progression on this one? You mean if my number got hit to bet all the earnings again? Or part of them? All of them would be huge. Betting 35 units straight up. Do you mean from 1 unit to go to 2 units? Until 35 spins pass?
Please explain ;)
In pdf file below are my results of playing Level up in last week.
I must say, I am little disappointed, because the are a lot of negative results.
I played by Ignatius rules, for tracking I use Nick's sleepers excel sheet which I adjusted for use for repeaters.
All plays we made by William Hill Casino Club, Live roulette - Live French tables for real money.
What is funny for me is, I made a lot of tests with old numbers from same tabels and results were much much better, so I decided to play for real...
P.S. I hope you understand my English..
On a hit add one chip on that #
Now take that session of ignatus with 17 hits. That would have won huge.
I've been looking in wiesbaden a lot . You can see at the bottom of each day how many times a # hits. Now go look many days and observe how many days there's a # that hits a lot more than average. Super hottie.
If you see that...then look how many days there's not a really hot one.
After you got that info....choose your br. And keep it low. For example 50 units/# and max 2#. Now look how many br you win if you have a super hottie. You will see that you can lose a looooot of sessions and still win.
Or you can use 200u and need to win 5-10 sessions to recover :-\
Hoping not another bust comes b4 that
2# max :thumbsup: