This is a system I have devised to bet on Single dozen and has worked wonders for me so far
Here is the bet selection:
After every two unique dozen hits, bet the third will also be unique
For eg. After 1,3 bet on dozen 2 or 2,1 bet on dozen 3 and likewise
Here is the money management
1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9 - Total bankroll = 90
For every loss move one step to the right and after ever win move 3 steps to the left
I know you all have seen this bet selection before and also the progression I mentioned is nothing new.
But combine these two and see for yourself how bullish this system can be
Win goal per session +20
Hi.
After trigger we playing only once, or play until the effect?
How many sessions you played this strategy?
Willie
About 10 years ago a programmer for a casino posted a method for betting a single dozen.
Whether they'd been sacked or something else who knows.
The method was to wait for a dozen to miss for 5 spins, they then said it was guaranteed to hit with in next 11 spins. This on rng worked like clockwork for numerous months, untill one day it took 12 spins, then it began to take longer to come in. I've seen it take 30+ spins numerous times on rng ( goofy roulette to some one, a clue,the finger)
I even seen it miss on smartlive for 30+ spins.
Quote from: Willie on Sep 28, 12:55 AM 2016
This is a system I have devised to bet on Single dozen and has worked wonders for me so far
Here is the bet selection:
After every two unique dozen hits, bet the third will also be unique
For eg. After 1,3 bet on dozen 2 or 2,1 bet on dozen 3 and likewise
Here is the money management
1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9 - Total bankroll = 90
For every loss move one step to the right and after ever win move 3 steps to the left
It will hurt soon or later.....be careful
better play the opposite with a parlay. :thumbsup:
It is a good bet selection
MM was always the hard part
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 28, 05:15 AM 2016
Willie
About 10 years ago a programmer for a casino posted a method for betting a single dozen.
Whether they'd been sacked or something else who knows.
The method was to wait for a dozen to miss for 5 spins, they then said it was guaranteed to hit with in next 11 spins. This on rng worked like clockwork for numerous months, untill one day it took 12 spins, then it began to take longer to come in. I've seen it take 30+ spins numerous times on rng ( goofy roulette to some one, a clue,the finger)
I even seen it miss on smartlive for 30+ spins.
Nottophammer, I agree with you that a dozen can sleep for long.. but here we are
a) not betting continuously
b) not betting on the same dozen
Try it once :)
Quote from: ozon on Sep 28, 05:14 AM 2016
Hi.
After trigger we playing only once, or play until the effect?
How many sessions you played this strategy?
Let me try with an example:
1
3 - trigger, bet 1u on dozen 2
1- lost, trigger, bet 1u on dozen 2
1- lost, no trigger
2- trigger, bet 2u on dozen 3
3- won, trigger, bet 1 u on dozen 1
Hope it's clear now.
I have played atleast 5-6 sessions in casino with this system but never recorded.
Just now ran two sessions on rng:
79 spins +26 units max drawdown -5
61 spins +25 units max drawdown -8
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 06:10 AM 2016
It will hurt soon or later.....be careful
better play the opposite with a parlay. :thumbsup:
Hi denzie,
Play the opposite of what?
Hi Willi,
are you still successful with it? 5 to 6 sessions a day?
I tried it 2 times. Won both with around 25 Units each...
Hex
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 06:10 AM 2016
It will hurt soon or later.....be careful
better play the opposite with a parlay. :thumbsup:
Denzie,
But then you will end up with a double dozen bet which is no bed of roses either.
Hi Willie,
Just to let you know that I am using your system and progression. It is working a charm. About 10 sessions and winning 20-30 units a time. No losses. Max I went to was 10 units once. I saw a progression for single dozens with 65 (yes 65) steps. A snakes and ladders type but anyone who says that you will get hit with a dozen sleeping 20 to 30 times would be ok with that. You are only going to hit one of those not very often. Usual betting units is in the range 1 to 6 and I am up over 200 units. I am stopping play after about an hour but maybe I should swop tables after about 30 spins to be on the safe side (if there is such a thing) You can carry on the progression on the new table if you were in mid flow. A stop loss could be used but I do not know at what point but do not feel that I have needed one so far. Only playing live. Anyone going to test it on RNG?
Thanks for posting this.
Bleep24
You are betting for a unique 3
Only way a single dozen progression will lose is if a dozen sleeps a long time
Which does happen
So can i suggest a 3 wide matrix?
Only bet every 3rd spin if the prior 2 were unique. this limits exposure
Hi RG,
Yes a sleeping dozen is what would knacker you. Perhaps stop when get to 8, 9 or 10 misses. Restart when missing dozen appears again. There are lots of hits with this so that should not be too much of a problem.
A matrix is a good idea. Thanks.
Quote from: hexfex82 on Oct 01, 01:07 AM 2016
Hi Willi,
are you still successful with it? 5 to 6 sessions a day?
I tried it 2 times. Won both with around 25 Units each...
Hex
Hexfex, I believe rng will bring down all systems sooner or later so I don't play for long there.
So I use this whenever I get a chance to go to a live casino
Quote from: bleep24 on Oct 01, 05:22 PM 2016
Hi Willie,
Just to let you know that I am using your system and progression. It is working a charm. About 10 sessions and winning 20-30 units a time. No losses. Max I went to was 10 units once. I saw a progression for single dozens with 65 (yes 65) steps. A snakes and ladders type but anyone who says that you will get hit with a dozen sleeping 20 to 30 times would be ok with that. You are only going to hit one of those not very often. Usual betting units is in the range 1 to 6 and I am up over 200 units. I am stopping play after about an hour but maybe I should swop tables after about 30 spins to be on the safe side (if there is such a thing) You can carry on the progression on the new table if you were in mid flow. A stop loss could be used but I do not know at what point but do not feel that I have needed one so far. Only playing live. Anyone going to test it on RNG?
Thanks for posting this.
Bleep24
Hi Bleep24,
Always nice to see someone else also succeed with the method other that the creator :)
Though i won't be going with the 65 step progression that may be available since we are already betting on triggers and such a long progression will take up a lot of time just to recover in case of series of losses.
Playing this way, what is the longest loss streak you have experienced
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 03, 09:53 AM 2016
Playing this way, what is the longest loss streak you have experienced
Longest loss till how has been 13 times the third spin wasn't unique
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 01, 05:59 PM 2016
You are betting for a unique 3
Only way a single dozen progression will lose is if a dozen sleeps a long time
Which does happen
So can i suggest a 3 wide matrix?
Only bet every 3rd spin if the prior 2 were unique. this limits exposure
Here we won't be betting on the same dozen continuously and even if we do it would take a lot of spins to even reach the tenth bet with our bet selection and by that time the betting dozen will surely change (when missing dozen turns up) like-
1
3
3- bet here
1
3- bet here
1- bet here
1- bet here
3
0- bet here
1
3
1- bet here
1- bet here
3
3
3
1- bet here
Quote from: Willie on Sep 30, 02:39 PM 2016
Hi denzie,
Play the opposite of what?
I believe what Denzie so cryptic refer to is Grassroots or variation.
Its a very long read over 120 pages & with raw action of biblical porportions, but ill save you the read.
Grassroots idea: Bet 2x dozen against a unique pattern of 3 in sets of 3. Aka what is the chance that the roulette hits exactly dosen 123 123 or 123 123 123? Very uncommon to unlikely.
So original bet: we get against 123 will happen so first we bet dozen 2 and 3 as we think it wont hit 1st dozen. If we win great, stop and wait 2 turns. However if we lost the first bet then on the second bet we bet against 2 happening & bet on dozen 1 & 3. If we win the second bet great, wait a turn. If we lost the 2nd bet we finally bet against 3rd dozen happening by betting on 1 and 2 dozen.
Progression 1-3-9 units.
Conclusions & variations:
Progression: looking at data someone noticed that so many wins happened on 1st & 2nd bet that it might actually be better to simply skip the 3rd bet and accept a loss as those 9 units is a lot and a loss its quickly recovered if you simply has patience. Also "stepping up" like 1-3 first but if it fails then recover with 2-6 units bets seems much more logic.
Numbers to bet: some walked away thinking that they had found the "holy" number (maybe 312 is the meaning of life) and continually betting against it .. and others walked away thinking its better to "guerilla" like and continually bet against a new random set like 123 then 221 then 332 then 111 etc.
Coloums: why wouldnt it work the same-ish with coloums. Or even better mix em. Some people swear that playing against 1 dozen, 2 coloum, 3 dozen "is king".
Zero protection: this is by most people considered a "hit & run" strategy so dont forget to cover zero if your "unit" is large.
Sticking to sets of 3: probably something you might want to but data isnt conclusive (if i recall right). Something about 12X 12X 12X you might escape the "doom" that 12 12 12 betting will bring you.
Anyways, back to your single dozen strategy. I guess something could be "borrow" from grassroots, like the guerilla random unique set change? Just an idea :thumbsup:
Quote from: bleep24 on Oct 02, 03:00 AM 2016
Hi RG,
Yes a sleeping dozen is what would knacker you. Perhaps stop when get to 8, 9 or 10 misses. Restart when missing dozen appears again. There are lots of hits with this so that should not be too much of a problem.
A matrix is a good idea. Thanks.
Sleeping dozen won't be a problem because 8,9 or 10 misses for a specific dozen would happen in much more spins mostly 15+, so the pattern would definitely change after that
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Oct 03, 12:35 PM 2016
I believe what Denzie so cryptic refer to is Grassroots or variation.
Its a very long read over 120 pages & with raw action of biblical porportions, but ill save you the read.
Grassroots idea: Bet 2x dozen against a unique pattern of 3 in sets of 3. Aka what is the chance that the roulette hits exactly dosen 123 123 or 123 123 123? Very uncommon to unlikely.
So original bet: we get against 123 will happen so first we bet dozen 2 and 3 as we think it wont hit 1st dozen. If we win great, stop and wait 2 turns. However if we lost the first bet then on the second bet we bet against 2 happening & bet on dozen 1 & 3. If we win the second bet great, wait a turn. If we lost the 2nd bet we finally bet against 3rd dozen happening by betting on 1 and 2 dozen.
Progression 1-3-9 units.
Conclusions & variations:
Progression: looking at data someone noticed that so many wins happened on 1st & 2nd bet that it might actually be better to simply skip the 3rd bet and accept a loss as those 9 units is a lot and a loss its quickly recovered if you simply has patience. Also "stepping up" like 1-3 first but if it fails then recover with 2-6 units bets seems much more logic.
Numbers to bet: some walked away thinking that they had found the "holy" number (maybe 312 is the meaning of life) and continually betting against it .. and others walked away thinking its better to "guerilla" like and continually bet against a new random set like 123 then 221 then 332 then 111 etc.
Coloums: why wouldnt it work the same-ish with coloums. Or even better mix em. Some people swear that playing against 1 dozen, 2 coloum, 3 dozen "is king".
Zero protection: this is by most people considered a "hit & run" strategy so dont forget to cover zero if your "unit" is large.
Sticking to sets of 3: probably something you might want to but data isnt conclusive (if i recall right). Something about 12X 12X 12X you might escape the "doom" that 12 12 12 betting will bring you.
Anyways, back to your single dozen strategy. I guess something could be "borrow" from grassroots, like the guerilla random unique set change? Just an idea :thumbsup:
Im impressed. Lol
Parlay 28/28 - 14/14 - 18/18 - 24/24 - 32/32 - 40/40 - 40/40
3 -1 - bet 3/1 with 28u ... 1
2-2 - no bet
0-2 - no bet
1-2 - bet 1/2 with 14u ... 1
2-3 - bet 2/3 with 18 u... 2
Etc....
Track some sessions and see how many loses you can get in a row. Mostly 2 or a rare 3. So you can choose to start straight away or you can wait till a vl.
I'm tracking this all the time while playing my hotties. And going in after 2 vl in a row made the full parlay many times. Going in after 1vl does it too....anyway just mention it :)
Interesting... 8)
Rx code:
default
system "Willie UDP system v1"
method "main"
begin
While Starting a New Session
begin
Set List [1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9] to record "Progression" Data
put 1 to record "Progression" data index
set flag "BetOn" to false
exit
end
// tracking
if flag "BetOn" is true
begin
call "Win-Loss"
end
copy last number to record "last number" layout
track last Dozen for 2 spins to record "Last 2Doz" layout
if record "last number" layout = number 0
begin
clear record "Last 2Doz" layout
end
if List [1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
or List [2nd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" data on 3rd Dozen
set flag "BetOn" to true
end
if List [1st Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
or List [3rd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" data on 2nd Dozen
set flag "BetOn" to true
end
if List [2nd Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
or List [3rd Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" data on 1st Dozen
set flag "BetOn" to true
end
end
// =============================================
method "Win-Loss"
begin
if flag "BetOn" is true
begin
set flag "BetOn" to false
if any dozen bet has won each
begin
if record "Progression" data index > 3
begin
subtract 3 to record "Progression" data index
exit
end
if record "Progression" data index < 4
begin
put 1 to record "Progression" data index
end
end
else
begin
add 1 to record "Progression" data index
end
end
end
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Oct 03, 12:35 PM 2016
I believe what Denzie so cryptic refer to is Grassroots or variation.
Its a very long read over 120 pages & with raw action of biblical porportions, but ill save you the read.
Grassroots idea: Bet 2x dozen against a unique pattern of 3 in sets of 3. Aka what is the chance that the roulette hits exactly dosen 123 123 or 123 123 123? Very uncommon to unlikely.
So original bet: we get against 123 will happen so first we bet dozen 2 and 3 as we think it wont hit 1st dozen. If we win great, stop and wait 2 turns. However if we lost the first bet then on the second bet we bet against 2 happening & bet on dozen 1 & 3. If we win the second bet great, wait a turn. If we lost the 2nd bet we finally bet against 3rd dozen happening by betting on 1 and 2 dozen.
Progression 1-3-9 units.
Conclusions & variations:
Progression: looking at data someone noticed that so many wins happened on 1st & 2nd bet that it might actually be better to simply skip the 3rd bet and accept a loss as those 9 units is a lot and a loss its quickly recovered if you simply has patience. Also "stepping up" like 1-3 first but if it fails then recover with 2-6 units bets seems much more logic.
Numbers to bet: some walked away thinking that they had found the "holy" number (maybe 312 is the meaning of life) and continually betting against it .. and others walked away thinking its better to "guerilla" like and continually bet against a new random set like 123 then 221 then 332 then 111 etc.
Coloums: why wouldnt it work the same-ish with coloums. Or even better mix em. Some people swear that playing against 1 dozen, 2 coloum, 3 dozen "is king".
Zero protection: this is by most people considered a "hit & run" strategy so dont forget to cover zero if your "unit" is large.
Sticking to sets of 3: probably something you might want to but data isnt conclusive (if i recall right). Something about 12X 12X 12X you might escape the "doom" that 12 12 12 betting will bring you.
Anyways, back to your single dozen strategy. I guess something could be "borrow" from grassroots, like the guerilla random unique set change? Just an idea :thumbsup:
Nice analysis of the grassroots thunder pants, but we all have gone through that so know all about it ;)
The thing you mentioned about trying 'guerilla random unique set change' well in this bet of mine we are expecting the combinations of
1,2,3
3,2,1
1,3,2
2,3,1
3,1,2
2,1,3
You see this is waiting for the unique combinations by default :)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 04, 08:34 PM 2016
Im impressed. Lol
Hehe, thanks! it was quite a long read (could have used a bit more romance in there).
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 12:22 AM 2016
...
3 -1 - bet 3/1 with 28u ... 1
Ah, yes i forgot to mention the importence of waiting for the unique 3 to happens first .. the bet against it repeating. Kinda importent that.
Quote from: Willie on Oct 05, 10:29 AM 2016
Nice analysis of the grassroots thunder pants, but we all have gone through that so know all about it ;)
The thing you mentioned about trying 'guerilla random unique set change' well in this bet of mine we are expecting the combinations of
1,2,3
3,2,1
1,3,2
2,3,1
3,1,2
2,1,3
You see this is waiting for the unique combinations by default :)
Ah yes. Been thinking the logic behind hitting a single dozen. Some of the logic behind Grassroots was (if i recall right) that the wheel in the long run hopefully show 50/50 red/black etc .. but in the short run isnt fair and bounches all over the place like a ball randomly. Aka something like 121,222,122,332 should happen more often than 123, 312, 231 etc. I think someone mentioned that looking thru data for 123, 123 happening is only 1 in 60-ish (please dont hold me to that its been a while since i read about it).
Idea: If we where to chase a single dozen for the non-unique to happen. Might be worth writing down dozen frequenzy to track if a dozen is sleeping, thus if 3rd is sleeping then bet on 111,111,111 or 121,212,221 .. or 333,333,333 if you think it will awaken.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 05, 12:22 AM 2016
Parlay 28/28 - 14/14 - 18/18 - 24/24 - 32/32 - 40/40 - 40/40
3 -1 - bet 3/1 with 28u ... 1
2-2 - no bet
0-2 - no bet
1-2 - bet 1/2 with 14u ... 1
2-3 - bet 2/3 with 18 u... 2
Etc....
Track some sessions and see how many loses you can get in a row. Mostly 2 or a rare 3. So you can choose to start straight away or you can wait till a vl.
I'm tracking this all the time while playing my hotties. And going in after 2 vl in a row made the full parlay many times. Going in after 1vl does it too....anyway just mention it :)
Denzie didn't understand your variation, seems entirely different from mine ;D
Quote from: Normy2000 on Oct 05, 10:00 AM 2016
Interesting... 8)
Rx code:
default
system "Willie UDP system v1"
method "main"
begin
While Starting a New Session
begin
Set List [1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9] to record "Progression" Data
put 1 to record "Progression" data index
set flag "BetOn" to false
exit
end
// tracking
if flag "BetOn" is true
begin
call "Win-Loss"
end
copy last number to record "last number" layout
track last Dozen for 2 spins to record "Last 2Doz" layout
if record "last number" layout = number 0
begin
clear record "Last 2Doz" layout
end
if List [1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
or List [2nd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" data on 3rd Dozen
set flag "BetOn" to true
end
if List [1st Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
or List [3rd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" data on 2nd Dozen
set flag "BetOn" to true
end
if List [2nd Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
or List [3rd Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" data on 1st Dozen
set flag "BetOn" to true
end
end
// =============================================
method "Win-Loss"
begin
if flag "BetOn" is true
begin
set flag "BetOn" to false
if any dozen bet has won each
begin
if record "Progression" data index > 3
begin
subtract 3 to record "Progression" data index
exit
end
if record "Progression" data index < 4
begin
put 1 to record "Progression" data index
end
end
else
begin
add 1 to record "Progression" data index
end
end
end
Wow Normy! that's some slick piece of coding u did there :thumbsup:
Nice to see that graph going up as well :)
U R Welcome 8)
normy did you follow the progression rules?
thanks
I think so; on a win, i go -3 on progression line, on a loss, +1
Note: No instructions for END of progression reached,
so right now, it stop betting if more than 9 units, but you can add more step if you wish (10,10,11,11,....).
br,
2
1
2 1 unit
3 1 unit
1 1 unit
1 1 unit
2
1 1 unit
2 2 unit
2 2 unit
2
2
2
2
3
1 3 unit
3 1 unit
1 1 unit
3 2 unit
1 2 unit
3 3 unit
2 3 unit
3 1 unit
1 1 unit
1 1 unit
1
1
1
3
1 1 unit
2 2 unit
2
3
3 1 unit
0
3
2
3 1 unit
2 2 unit
2 2 unit
3
2 3 unit
2 3 unit
3
3 4 unit
1
1 4 unit
2
1 5 unit
2 5 unit
3 6 unit
not a bad method
you get into a hole but i see it recovering
could play the opposite but we know how that goes
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 07:57 PM 2016
2
1
2 1 unit
3 1 unit
1 1 unit
1 1 unit
2
1 1 unit
2 2 unit
2 2 unit
2
2
2
2
3
1 3 unit
3 1 unit
1 1 unit
3 2 unit
1 2 unit
3 3 unit
2 3 unit
3 1 unit
1 1 unit
1 1 unit
1
1
1
3
1 1 unit
2 2 unit
2
3
3 1 unit
0
3
2
3 1 unit
2 2 unit
2 2 unit
3
2 3 unit
2 3 unit
3
3 4 unit
1
1 4 unit
2
1 5 unit
2 5 unit
3 6 unit
not a bad method
you get into a hole but i see it recovering
could play the opposite but we know how that goes
Good test :thumbsup: and yes the opposite would mean betting on 2 dozens.. far from this system :)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 07:57 PM 2016
could play the opposite but we know how that goes
Did you even try the parlay?
I didn't play it for real though. Just with pen and paper while playing hotties. But the results are great !
My apologies to the thread. Just wanted to mention it :)
Quote from: denzie on Oct 07, 01:52 PM 2016
Did you even try the parlay?
I didn't play it for real though. Just with pen and paper while playing hotties. But the results are great !
My apologies to the thread. Just wanted to mention it :)
No problem denzie, could you elaborate pls :)
Willie,I tried your method albeit for a short spell.I had 2 wins in 22 bets so maybe just a bad run.I" all give it another try.Play was at casino.Thanks for posting.
On more often times we will have a non unique sequence
This method capitalizes on a unique 3
The other way, is for a non unique, betting 2 dozens. But is dangerous
Its a catch 22
More often:
122
121
133
131
111
211
212
233
232
222
311
313
322
323
333
Less often:
123
132
213
231
312
321
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 07, 06:19 PM 2016
On more often times we will have a non unique sequence
This method capitalizes on a unique 3
The other way, is for a non unique, betting 2 dozens. But is dangerous
Its a catch 22
More often:
122
121
133
131
111
211
212
233
232
222
311
313
322
323
333
Less often:
123
132
213
231
312
321
Good post RG!
To this method you can add to play the NLE play. That is after 2 unique you play that it will follow a unique.
So then you also catch the:
111
222
333
So that makes it more hits..
- Tuddilue
Quote from: Dutchy on Oct 07, 06:14 PM 2016
Willie,I tried your method albeit for a short spell.I had 2 wins in 22 bets so maybe just a bad run.I" all give it another try.Play was at casino.Thanks for posting.
Thanks for sharing your results Dutchy. Please let me know if u tried this again
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 07, 06:19 PM 2016
On more often times we will have a non unique sequence
This method capitalizes on a unique 3
The other way, is for a non unique, betting 2 dozens. But is dangerous
Its a catch 22
More often:
122
121
133
131
111
211
212
233
232
222
311
313
322
323
333
Less often:
123
132
213
231
312
321
Hi RG,
I agree that betting 2 dozens would have more hits, but the progression gets out of hand too soon there as you know probably better than me :)
Quote from: Willie on Sep 28, 11:59 AM 2016
Nottophammer, I agree with you that a dozen can sleep for long.. but here we are
a) not betting continuously
b) not betting on the same dozen
Try it once :)
Willie, I think what he's talking about is that when you are looking for
2 uniques, they will happen in abundance. Like 2-2-3-2-3-3-2-3- etc, and
that will give the method a lot of misses.
My personal recollection of dozen sleepers is 24 spins, traditionally.
But low teens is true, more often than not.
Quote from: denzie on Sep 28, 06:10 AM 2016
It will hurt soon or later.....be careful
better play the opposite with a parlay. :thumbsup:
Densie, what is your suggestion for a formula of betting a parlay
with this?
How I'm starting to feel is the exact thing I think Willie said in the beginning.
You've seen this progression, and you've seen this selection. But not together.
I'm thinking mor in terms of
a) What Densie said about playing the opposite. The two dozens. But
a little vague on how to bet. I think that 1 unit, 2 unit, 3 unit thing and
stay at 3 units might be appropriate. or.
b) The old sit out strategy if you bet single dozens to avoid the long
losing streak. I like the idea of going up 1 unit and back 3 levels after
a win.
Either way, it seems like there is growing a connection of dissimilar things
between selection, and MM.
I honestly don't know how to parlay a double dozen though. Anyone here
know?
playing FOR a unique 3 is actually very clever
firstly, its a 12 number bet, significantly better than a 24 number bet
secondly, bets are not placed every spin, limiting exposure
thirdly, having 11 losses in a row is extremely rare, believe me, i know, i tested grassroots extensively....in my charting, you almost always have some unique 3s in 12 spin cycles
fourthly, the unit lay out is not crazy....you go with your gambling money and thats it, no chasing
years of this game, years of testing, years of zumma play....i draw one conclusion....everything wins and loses...so just have fun
Quote from: mogul397 on Oct 25, 06:12 PM 2016
I honestly don't know how to parlay a double dozen though. Anyone here
know?
Mogul,
Denzie is the most enthusiastic advocate of double dozen parlays on this forum, and so it might be a good idea to do a search of his posts.
Or you can design one yourself. So, for instance, if you are playing double dozens at the 1-1
level and, let's say, you win two consecutive bets. You now have 2 units profit.
You can parlay those 2 units by adding them to 2 units of your bankroll and betting at the 2-2 level for the next (third) bet.
You kind of get the picture, I hope.
to add to that....a parlay is the most responsible DD bet
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 25, 07:28 PM 2016
Mogul,
Denzie is the most enthusiastic advocate of double dozen parlays on this forum, and so it might be a good idea to do a search of his posts.
Or you can design one yourself. So, for instance, if you are playing double dozens at the 1-1
level and, let's say, you win two consecutive bets. You now have 2 units profit.
You can parlay those 2 units by adding them to 2 units of your bankroll and betting at the 2-2 level for the next (third) bet.
You kind of get the picture, I hope.
I did. And I do. It just seems a little counter intuitive.
You have to win 2 in a row to establish any one parlay bet. And
when you do, you are winning at a diminished rate, with he same risk.
You could almost do better flat.
That's why I thought that the +1 +1 +1 and stay at 3 was rather clever
for the Double dozen. Generally, you have a slant in your favor to have
twice the wins. So if you swallow a couple losses and get set up to
recoup with something that isn't a crazy progression then, like my
bow and arrow example, you lost while drawing the bow and it has
more power when released.
Not a closed 1,3,9. But better waters to wade back. It's a little trick, like
that progression, 1,3,2,4 or however it goes, where it's like an up and pull.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 06:43 PM 2016
playing FOR a unique 3 is actually very clever
firstly, its a 12 number bet, significantly better than a 24 number bet
secondly, bets are not placed every spin, limiting exposure
thirdly, having 11 losses in a row is extremely rare, believe me, i know, i tested grassroots extensively....in my charting, you almost always have some unique 3s in 12 spin cycles
fourthly, the unit lay out is not crazy....you go with your gambling money and thats it, no chasing
years of this game, years of testing, years of zumma play....i draw one conclusion....everything wins and loses...so just have fun
Exactly my thoughts RG :)
Plus I would say the progression gives us 18 levels and we can go slightly further as well if we want so we have even more cushion that 11 consecutive losses 8)
Quote from: mogul397 on Oct 25, 06:12 PM 2016
How I'm starting to feel is the exact thing I think Willie said in the beginning.
You've seen this progression, and you've seen this selection. But not together.
I'm thinking mor in terms of
a) What Densie said about playing the opposite. The two dozens. But
a little vague on how to bet. I think that 1 unit, 2 unit, 3 unit thing and
stay at 3 units might be appropriate. or.
b) The old sit out strategy if you bet single dozens to avoid the long
losing streak. I like the idea of going up 1 unit and back 3 levels after
a win.
Either way, it seems like there is growing a connection of dissimilar things
between selection, and MM.
I honestly don't know how to parlay a double dozen though. Anyone here
know?
Nice to see you to tinkering around with this mogul :thumbsup: Just give my original method a go for some spins and share your results, would be interesting
Went today to track betting against 4th dozen back.
Here are the results for this...
L L W L W L L W W L L L L L
So the statistics for this kind of bet always ring true.
Came out about 1-2.
It's the clump of losses that get in the way.
Conversly, for what I was trying I was getting the 1-2 result.
But occasionally I got a string of losses. My potential solution is to
maybe wait for a virtual win to start again. Yes, there are many
single losses. But Several runs of 3 in a row losses.
Quote from: mogul397 on Oct 26, 09:09 PM 2016
Went today to track betting against 4th dozen back.
Here are the results for this...
L L W L W L L W W L L L L L
So the statistics for this kind of bet always ring true.
Came out about 1-2.
It's the clump of losses that get in the way.
Conversly, for what I was trying I was getting the 1-2 result.
But occasionally I got a string of losses. My potential solution is to
maybe wait for a virtual win to start again. Yes, there are many
single losses. But Several runs of 3 in a row losses.
Betting on 4th dozen back?
It does not matter whether you bet last dozen to show, two back, same dozen all the time, nothing will change. Betting 1 dozen will win 1 out of three, betting two dozens will win 2 out of 3. End of story.
We all know that it is the longer losing runs that knacker progressions. All systems/methods win until they don`t. Luck plays a great part but unfortunately you cannot be lucky every time that you play.
All that we can hope for is to quit when we are ahead or win more sessions than we lose.
Should we be focusing our efforts on flat betting (inside numbers)?
Bleep24
Quote from: Willie on Oct 27, 12:19 AM 2016
Betting on 4th dozen back?
I went to track against 4th dozen back. But those results are for
this method with that data.
Bleep is right. The outlay of the results will be the same. The notion of
maybe looking at inside numbers is also a variant. You can expect a win
with the EC and dozens regularly. You get a 35-1 hit on a number and somehow
see multiple units and you're up $350 or more and thing you've made it.
I remember decades ago in Atlantic City, these women staring at a craps table.
$5-$10 min. I said something about it being one decision. She was taken aback.
She'd rather toss her nickles into a slot machine. Made more sense. I won't
go NEAR a slot machine. (Although my father in law used to work them to
make a couple dollars here and there).
So it's a mentality. Do you like the regular payout (similar to slots?) or do you want
the big payouts (that may be far between).
Densie made a comment in a post to me. I like the approach.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15367.15
reply # 18.
Is that enough tap dancing to wait for sequential rare events to
make a difference? Like he said once something about a huge win
streak that never ends?
That's all you need.
So Densie is saying wait for 2-3 in a row and bet against.
Any better? Different?
Hi,
From just observing, 2/3 in a chain will happen the vast majority of times and then change so betting for a change after this is a possibility but there will be a lot less opportunities. You could use higher stakes to compensate. Stop after 3 win or lose. Wait for new trigger. This will stop the occasional long chain wiping out BR. Use a double dozen gentle progression.
I have been testing betting same but on single dozens. Using 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 etc. This seems very promising and a gentle progression. Up 1 on a loss - down 3 on a win. Chains are coming out regularly (bit like NLE but that is a different story!!!)
Brrrian. (it`s chilly outside to-day)
I agree Bleep. I will say that there are several angles around this that work.
And my ultimate thinking is to track all of them, taking advantage of each, say,
after a loss or two, depending on the setup.
Went to the casino quick today. Here are the results.
7 1 A
19 2 A
22 2 A
16 2 A
6 1 C
11 1 B
32 3 B
29 3 B
1 3 A
31 3 A
19 2 A
12 1 C
22 2 A
00
31 3 A
3 1 C
23 2 B
2 1 B
12 1 C
34 3 A
32 3 B
20 2 B
5 1 B
34 3 A
29 3 B
14 2 B
11 1 B
13 2 A
I focused on the 3 in a row and bet opposite. But I was
watchin the doubles. If you group them up, similar to NLE
(which I can't do) there were separate setups on dozens and
columbs. I played mostly columbs.
I won $20, betting for 3 not to be 4. (I missed that 4 A's
at the beginning). So the blueprint is there. I didn't go all in, in
any way. Played close to the hip. But it looks like the doubles hold up,
maybe with that +1 after a loss. Certainly had some meat on the bone.
Hi Mogul,
Nice to read your observations. I agree and we should be looking for a few variations on theme around this to give more betting opps. I am only home until tomorrow but I will give it a try.
I have just looked through 2 lots of Dublinbets posted on here and it holds up good, so fingers crossed etc. etc.
Bleep
Hi Mogul,
In your 28 spins there was only 1 chain of 3 and 5 chains of 2 so looks like chains of 2 are the way to go. Obviously not 1 3 9 27 x2 prog. but I think that this shows great promise.
At least with this you are only betting 2 dozens and tracking prog. is easy!!! :) :)
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Oct 27, 02:20 AM 2016
It does not matter whether you bet last dozen to show, two back, same dozen all the time, nothing will change. Betting 1 dozen will win 1 out of three, betting two dozens will win 2 out of 3. End of story.
We all know that it is the longer losing runs that knacker progressions. All systems/methods win until they don`t. Luck plays a great part but unfortunately you cannot be lucky every time that you play.
All that we can hope for is to quit when we are ahead or win more sessions than we lose.
Should we be focusing our efforts on flat betting (inside numbers)?
Bleep24
Bleep you are right that dozen betting will have the same chances no matter how you do it but here we are waiting and not betting every spin.
With continuous dozen betting the progression may get out of hand sooner than you think but not in this case.
Mogul, bleep- The going after doubles or triples whatever you are calling it seems a good way too but it's taking a different turn from the original thread, you can start a different topic for that and call it UDP spinoff if u want or something else ;)
Agree. Sorry. Kind of like looking at the negative of a picture.
But I think both have value.
Looking back at my previous set of data where I ended up with 4-5 losses,
we might assume a continuum of the game with what I show today. For this
method looking for the 3rd unique after two I have.
For dozens: L L L L W W L W W W L L L W W L W L
For columbs W L L W W L L .
There seems a certainty that you will often have multiple losses in a row.
The question is, how will this endure the MM as you state it?
For dozens, starting fresh, we have
1 L -1
1 L -2
2 L -4
2 L -6
3 W 0 (Do I reset to the 2nd "1" bet? Or give it another 3 bet?)
1 W +2
1 L +1
1 W +3
1 W +5
1 W +7
1 L +6
1 L +5
2 L +3
2 W +7
1 W +9
1 L +8
1 W +10
1 L +9........
Not bad!!!!!!!! See? I gave it it's due!!!!
Looks pretty good on paper now!!!! I'll notch it up couple
levels in my confidence......
mogul what were you doing
betting for the 3rd to be unique only when previous 2 were unique?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 27, 07:15 PM 2016
mogul what were you doing
betting for the 3rd to be unique only when previous 2 were unique?
The results came from my earlier post.
The numbers on the left are the bet amounts associated with each bet,
according to the progression. Not which dozen it was.
Wins and losses generated from reply #55
Hi Willie,
Thank you for sharing this method, I like this one.
Archer.
Quote from: Willie on Sep 28, 11:59 AM 2016
Nottophammer, I agree with you that a dozen can sleep for long.. but here we are
a) not betting continuously
b) not betting on the same dozen
Try it once :)
Willie about the parley. I used Parley in dont knock it till you try it for double dozen, the parley did ok. So parley could work here, just depends on how you wanna play.
Reply 29 in dont knock it, various ways to get a win.
If i'm honest i seldom looked in this topic, but dont take that the wrong way, as i've looked at ideas and methods posted over the last few years and always end up back looking at improving non-hits and just watching the trot. But one needs to look at others ideas as you might just see something that gets your bet selection to the next level.
My weekends have been busy. Back again.
Now that I'm thinking more in the direction of the single dozen,
the parlay on a 2-1 looks like a way to get rich. Certainly dip a toe in
and try it one time after a win. Or may be an increment where you are
keeping profit.
Win 1. Win 2 units.
Bet 2 units, win 4. Up 6. Then?????
Bet 6 units, win. Up 18. Fair enough.
For the results in reply 50, there are 3 groups of 3 groups of 2 wins and
one with 3. Either one (The 3 double wins or single triple) give you
18 units profit. If you can count on that you're in gravey!!!
Isn't it way more fun playing with different amounts you could win, then
how little you lose?
Or keep some of the 6 unit win and bet 3 units. Or 2 or 4.
If you're not in trouble that could be a fun and profitable play.
If you look at reply 50, there are 3 groups of double wins and one with 3.
Either one gives you 18 units profit!!!!!!! Gravy train.
Isn't it way more fun talking about different ways to win more than how
to lose less????
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 28, 07:43 AM 2016
and always end up back looking at improving non-hits and just watching the trot.
Nottop,
Insightful point you have made in the above quote.
But what are your criteria for distinguishing between a non-hit number (but one which potentially might hit soon) and a genuine sleeper?
As play starts with 37 non-hits, are they not the favourable bet? What distinguish non-hits are 1x’s and >1x’s.
I see in spins 11-20 we usually get 7 non-hits, so with watching how they are hitting one can make a decision
Doctor
3 games earlier in ladbrokes.
If i just stuck to betting 0x's in 1st game +42, but got ambitious and headed into a hole. But resetting at spin 40 to start game 2, the hole was getting smaller, reset at spin 40 again and game 3 starts, see the games are following each other so as game1 and 2 are plus at spin 40, is it paying out as 0x's are coming fast.
15 units down at spin 13 of game 3, but got a phone call so had to leave, but it looks good that it could have been 8,+3 or the usual 7,+2
As quoted in 9# method, look at game 1 spin 7 is #26,sector 4, 21 spins later sector 4 hits, so forget that idea
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 31, 03:37 PM 2016
Doctor
3 games earlier in ladbrokes.
If i just stuck to betting 0x's in 1st game +42, but got ambitious and headed into a hole. But resetting at spin 40 to start game 2, the hole was getting smaller, reset at spin 40 again and game 3 starts, see the games are following each other so as game1 and 2 are plus at spin 40, is it paying out as 0x's are coming fast.
15 units down at spin 13 of game 3, but got a phone call so had to leave, but it looks good that it could have been 8,+3 or the usual 7,+2
As quoted in 9# method, look at game 1 spin 7 is #26,sector 4, 21 spins later sector 4 hits, so forget that idea
I don't know what I'm looking at.