This post is not directed at anyone specifically. Theres so much trash personal attacks on forums. We see the worst of it at GG and GF with no moderation.
Seriously, grow up. The personal vendettas and junk are from people with miserable lives. How do I know? Because nobody happy would waste time on such pathetic pusuits which come from envy and not being happy with their own life. So instead of dealing with and being responsible for the betterment of their life, they find it easier to direct frustrations at other people. In other words, blame others for their own failures. Its easier, right? Easier to believe that other people are the problem, instead of yourself.
Its impossible to hate someone without destroying part of your own life. Im not saying love and cuddles for everyone. Im saying you will benefit yourself more if you just do your own shit, instead of focusing so much on what other people are doing. Granted some peoples lives are already screwed so they dont mind screwing themselves more to give others a hard time. But most of the time if you spend time hating someone, you damage yourself far more because the person usually either doesnt know or doesnt care, while you waste a lot of time on it instead of making your own life better.
The news is one day youll get old, unless you get hit by a bus. And youll reflect on your life and the wasted time. It will happen all through your life that you learn the bullshit you think is important now, is actually just shit.
Again im not saying love and cuddles for everyone. But i am saying if you spend your days hating and bickering, you are wasting your own valuable time. You will have a far better life by:
- Minding your own business. Direct your attention to the changes you want in your own life.
- just avoiding people you dont like, instead of going to war
- recognizing when your own feelings of inadequacy and failure are actually your fault, and not other peoples fault. So man up and work in it.
- recognizing everyone makes mistakes. But not everyone puts pride aside and learns, and then grows.
Its really simple stuff. But you know just a few years ago I wasted time on bullshit too. Not for reasons above. For injustice of lies. But now I smile knowing comparatively I dont give a shit now. I leave it at the truth is easy to find. Here, have a free roulette computer and test, or piss off and believe junk. But thats my situation, and I bet I dealt with far worse than anyone on the forums.
You cant control everything that happens. But you can adjust your attitude. And not everyone will reciprocate towards you, so f**k those ones. Enough people will reviprocate so you see the value. Those are the people deserving of your time. And the f**kers will be insignificant.
Just for one week, observe your emotions, actions and attitude. And change your perspective. I hope at least one person gets something from this. How else can I say it? Just try showing respect. Be honest with yourself and others. Forget fears. You have no idea how much fear plays a part. Be yourself. Dont put up walls. Then you'll better understand what Im talking about.
I feel a cuddle icon is coming next to the finger and jizz :o...
but seriously...nice post Steve
Excellent post.
cuddles? geez why not give the forum a pink theme? totally gay. Jizzing is far less gay.
Disclaimer: I have nothing against gay people, and actually have lots of gay friends who would not at all be offended.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 08:48 AM 2016Jizzing is far less gay.
"The whole subject just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth"
Dame Edna Everage
eww :twisted:
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Finger and jizz to Mr J
It's abit of fun, well it was for me, one posts something constructive and you just knew Mr J was going to give the finger or Jizz.
Take (nowun) remote viewing, its a little bit to believe, but then again have you not been sitting playing and whilst the bets are going down you said in your mind its going to be #3, even thou you have nothing on it, then yes in drops the 3. Happenes often but i'm not thinking like nowuns doing so its a lost bet. But i do like the idea sitting there and #'s float in.
I'll put this bit in the remote thread
Steve,
you will get applause from most people here and they act like you want.
Except two of them.
Steve,
Totally agree, it's supposed to be fun.
However, what do you call a person, who goes to the extreme of keeping notes as to who is giving out fingers, likes, etc, etc.
Not naming anyone, but some are just here to ruin the forum.
Mr j and caleb r sources of negativity. This needs to be discussed
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18100.0
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 04, 10:56 AM 2016Mr j and caleb r sources of negativity. This needs to be discussed
Here's how I see these members from a neutral view:
Caleb: good knowledge of roulette and can help people. But he can be an arrogant and condescending asshole - mostly when provoked. Seeing things from anyone who understands the basics of roulette, it can be damn annoying to see the same rubbish systems and false claims, but have honest attempts to help people ignored. This annoyance leads to lost patience, and inevitably being abrupt with people like saying "look, seriously, you have no idea. Here's why you are wrong"..... And what he says is taken the wrong way. But where he goes wrong is he busts peoples balls about being wrong instead of just leaving them alone, to the point of borderline trolling. And this is what gets people most upset. Also naturally people take a stab at him, and his response is to arrogantly wave the facts about roulette in their face. I understand why he does it, but it just stirs the pot - which he knows. How he is on other forums is not my concern. But my view on him here is he can offer valuable input in discussions, but he needs to not bust balls. And he needs to say his piece then let people either take or leave the advice - not constantly bash them with it. He can do some things too sometimes that just provoke people - for his own amusement. But rarely on this forum. Mostly to the "system RRRBRB players" who have attacked him previously. He considers it like teasing monkeys who have no idea. Dont expect to attack him without him responding in some way to annoy you - same with most people.
Ken: Has good intentions, but takes personal attacks way too seriously. Wastes far too much time on what is essentially just shit. Cares too much about what other people say and think. If you get on his bad side, its not so much that he will hold a grudge against you (although he does to some degree). It's more that he puts up his defenses things that you may say are not actually an attack will be considered an attack. Yes sometimes he gets attacked, but his response just invites more attacks and it goes around and around and around.
RG: Also has good intentions. Doesnt like caleb for same reasons he pisses off other people. Doesnt like ken because there's constant back and forth stabs and general bickering. At some times, he can bend the rules himself although not with bad intent - more just from aggravation.
Nobody here has no personal issues of some kind - including myself. And nobody here is a bad person with pure malice intent, although there is the occasional stab at each other that just makes it worse. Just a bit of understanding and respect can go a long way for everyone.
But if there's something I'm missing, bring it up right here to discuss. But remove the emotion and bickering from it. There are various complaints about specific members, but almost always from the same members. So obviously there is bad blood. But to determine if the problem is just people dont like each other, OR rules are being broken, members need to report posts to moderators and then we see exactly what is going on. Still this is not being done. So when people complain about members and arent specific, we mods arent going to know exactly what you're talking about.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyclqo_AV2M
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Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 06:43 PM 2016
Here's how I see these members from a neutral view:
Caleb: good knowledge of roulette and can help people. But he can be an arrogant and condescending asshole - mostly when provoked. Seeing things from anyone who understands the basics of roulette, it can be damn annoying to see the same rubbish systems and false claims, but have honest attempts to help people ignored. This annoyance leads to lost patience, and inevitably being abrupt with people like saying "look, seriously, you have no idea. Here's why you are wrong"..... And what he says is taken the wrong way. But where he goes wrong is he busts peoples balls about being wrong instead of just leaving them alone, to the point of borderline trolling. And this is what gets people most upset. Also naturally people take a stab at him, and his response is to arrogantly wave the facts about roulette in their face. I understand why he does it, but it just stirs the pot - which he knows. How he is on other forums is not my concern. But my view on him here is he can offer valuable input in discussions, but he needs to not bust balls. And he needs to say his piece then let people either take or leave the advice - not constantly bash them with it. He can do some things too sometimes that just provoke people - for his own amusement. But rarely on this forum. Mostly to the "system RRRBRB players" who have attacked him previously. He considers it like teasing monkeys who have no idea. Dont expect to attack him without him responding in some way to annoy you - same with most people.
Ken: Has good intentions, but takes personal attacks way too seriously. Wastes far too much time on what is essentially just shit. Cares too much about what other people say and think. If you get on his bad side, its not so much that he will hold a grudge against you (although he does to some degree). It's more that he puts up his defenses things that you may say are not actually an attack will be considered an attack. Yes sometimes he gets attacked, but his response just invites more attacks and it goes around and around and around.
RG: Also has good intentions. Doesnt like caleb for same reasons he pisses off other people. Doesnt like ken because there's constant back and forth stabs and general bickering. At some times, he can bend the rules himself although not with bad intent - more just from aggravation.
Nobody here has no personal issues of some kind - including myself. And nobody here is a bad person with pure malice intent, although there is the occasional stab at each other that just makes it worse. Just a bit of understanding and respect can go a long way for everyone.
But if there's something I'm missing, bring it up right here to discuss. But remove the emotion and bickering from it. There are various complaints about specific members, but almost always from the same members. So obviously there is bad blood. But to determine if the problem is just people dont like each other, OR rules are being broken, members need to report posts to moderators and then we see exactly what is going on. Still this is not being done. So when people complain about members and arent specific, we mods arent going to know exactly what you're talking about.
I'd like to talk about roulette methods. Post my thoughts and hear other peoples
thoughts about mine, and see other methods.
I'd like someone to show me why, as my picture shows, 2+2 doesn't =3.
I dont understand your point. Two apples, and two more apples, is four apples. Just count them. Your picture has + and + and +
Isnt that proof enough?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 06:43 PM 2016
Here's how I see these members from a neutral view:
Caleb: good knowledge of roulette and can help people. But chooses not to.
Ken: Wastes far too much time on what is essentially just shit. And just talks shit.
RG: Also has good intentions. and lets the two above get to him
In the time I have been here, of the three mentioned only RG has really contributed anything constructive. The other two just try to disrupt at every opportunity.
This board now has a bad reputation due to letting the first two mentioned get away with thier disruptive behaviour.
Quote from: paulee on Oct 04, 10:01 PM 2016This board now has a bad reputation due to letting the first two mentioned get away with thier disruptive behaviour.
As I said, the members who complain arent actually reporting the posts that they think are a problem. So any lack of action, if action were justified, is not the fault of moderators.
@Steve >> Can you list for us the number of times I PMed you (or Turner) with a complaint regarding the thread.......Finger and jizz to Mr J.
Thanks man.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 05, 12:01 AM 2016
@Steve >> Can you list for us the number of times I PMed you (or Turner) with a complaint regarding the thread.......Finger and jizz to Mr J.
Thanks man.
Ken
Quote from: Azim on Sep 26, 04:53 AM 2016
For those that have bought this.
As Winkel has said that the video isn't teaching the right stuff.
If you are following this at the time when i said there was a bug in the tracker the title bar had a version of 1.2 on the title bar.
Now, I will stand corrected if he has sent you all a new version that he/she is using in the video.
The version being used in the video is version 2.0.
I will leave it at that for you all to see, what's happening here.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17212.0
I am sure we still have the copy of the image that was sent out to complain about the bug that I noticed somewhere. That had a version 1.2 on the title bar.
Here we go again, crying wolf...
Can someone tell me how does my post deserve a finger?
If it actually does, I will stand corrected.
Cant we all just move on? There's better things to do. But if someone has legitimate complaints and will provide specific details, please let me know. But perhaps its best done in private messages. I dont mean things like "this person is annoying me". I need references to specific messages.
Quote from: paulee on Oct 04, 10:01 PM 2016
In the time I have been here, of the three mentioned only RG has really contributed anything constructive. The other two just try to disrupt at every opportunity.
This board now has a bad reputation due to letting the first two mentioned get away with thier disruptive behaviour.
Thanks
I will ignore them
Point being RG, had I started the same thread against you....
A) It never would of lasted 4 pages and you know that.
B) You would screamed bloody murder via PM to Steve and staff. Myself? I said not a word.
Ken
:sad2:
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 05, 03:24 PM 2016
Point being RG, had I started the same thread against you....
A) It never would of lasted 4 pages and you know that.
B) You would screamed bloody murder via PM to Steve and staff. Myself? I said not a word.
Ken
You spend your time here following general around and giving the middle finger
At this point its old news
Im not interested
Ignore list
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 05, 03:24 PM 2016
Point being RG, had I started the same thread against you....
A) It never would of lasted 4 pages and you know that.
B) You would screamed bloody murder via PM to Steve and staff. Myself? I said not a word.
Ken
Once again must be that time of the month for you.
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@Turbo >> Yeah, right or wrong, my attitude has really changed in the last 1-1.5 years. I say left and I get eight other posters yelling right. Its constant BS, its getting a bit old.
Granted, yes I start some of it (lol), I need to work on that. You're a good guy Ed but I really needed a hand or two a couple months ago at RF. It was OUT OF CONTROL there and even Steve/Turner tossed me to the side.
Guys like RG, Azim, thelaw, denzie (etc), f**k'em, I dont need their s**t.
I do just fine (very fine actually) without their crap. Good to hear from you TG (and Nate/Tamino).
Ken
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Whya are you here? to ruin the forum and threads that people want to discuss?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 05, 03:29 PM 2016
:sad2:
You spend your time here following general around and giving the middle finger
At this point its old news
Im not interested
Ignore list
....but do you agree with my two points? (when a person does not answer a question, trust me folks, there is a reason why).
Ken
Quote from: Azim on Oct 05, 03:31 PM 2016
Once again must be that time of the month for you.
You guys really do enjoy your copy/paste thingie. I dont get it (lol).
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 05, 03:39 PM 2016
You guys really do enjoy your copy/paste thingie. I dont get it (lol).
Ken
You dont discuss your methods
The most you state about roulette is bet only a few numbers and know when to move bets. And that you wont share anymore. And you antagonize people now.
You are not part of the forum, you act like a superior jerk
Old news
Ignore
You are better off not posting if you are so bitter. It wont end well
And its annoying
All your posts lately are negative
ok, as Steve said, 7 post ago, lets move on
Topic locked
I've read the points about ken and browsed through 50 or so of his last posts. About 80% of it is conflict (arguments etc). But then if I look through RG's last 50 or so posts, I see much of the same although it's about 40% conflict.
There are people who dont like ken, and at the same time ken invites the negativity whether or not he realizes it. He tends to focus on the negativity towards him, so he behaves negatively towards others, and they respond with negativity. What you think and feel becomes reality.
Where does the loop start? Who knows, it doesnt really matter. Because all of us, at some point, have been criticized in some way. But most of us have enough sense to get out of the loop. Unfortunately, ken keeps himself in this neverending loop. RG its easy to point the finger at ken, but looking back at your posts, you also keep the loop going yourself. Just to a lesser degree than ken. So you arent perfect either.
Understand I'm not criticizing anyone here. I'm just explaining some observations. And a request, that ken, dont be so quick to jump on people or criticize them. Yes most of us can spot someone with an agenda, or someone using a fake name (duplicate account). Thats not what I'm talking about though. A recent example of what I mean is where you said mortagon didnt understand what he preaches. Maybe he does, maybe he doesnt. I'm not saying you cant say what you think. I'm saying DON'T BE SO ABRASIVE. Because how you come across to people will aggravate them and start crap, and I want this to be a friendly and productive environment. Looking back at your recent posts, so many of them have insulting undertones and snide remarks that anyone would find insulting. RG again dont point the finger because you do it too, although to a lesser degree.
Some of the loops are caleb explains basic facts about roulette and RG acts as if he's trolling, and says something to aggravate caleb, who then becomes even more annoying with facts and information, then RG gets even more annoyed. Who's right, who's wrong? Well RG if you say something that's incorrect, this is a forum and you can expect to be corrected. Sure you can play roulette just for fun, but it doesnt mean you wont be corrected if you say something that's incorrect. But caleb needs to not bust balls about it - especially not for when he does it for amusement.
Seriously guys its not that hard to co-exist. I dont want to waste time trying to sort this shit out. I dont want to need to put anyone on moderation because that itself may feel like a slap in the face, but really it's one of the last options when specific members dont get along. It seems the main people in it are RG, caleb and ken.
If I have to put members on moderation, dont take it personally. It does not mean I think you started the problem. It's like finding two kids fighting. You dont know who started it, but you will pull them apart to stop the shit. Then when they start behaving, they can be let go again.
I'll unlock this topic for a little while to make comments. But really I have heard just about everything now and feel I understand the situation fairly well.
If i just banned caleb, then players wouldnt benefit from important information that every player should know. I'm not saying caleb is gods gift to roulette and we should all just listen. I dont agree with him on some things. But at the very least he posts facts that everyone should know. Yes he's an arsehole sometimes with how he explains basic facts. But sometimes people need a kick in the ass to wake up, instead of a gentle "hey excuse me, that system probably wont work".
If I just banned ken, then players wouldnt benefit from his experience over many years. Although I do agree with a recent comment that he doesnt contribute much lately, for whatever reason. I know at one point he said he didnt want to contribute anymore, although he still does every now and then. You dont need to contribute to be here - you could be here just because you enjoy talking about roulette, or chatting with likeminded people. But at the same time there isnt much point to posting if the majority of time is spent arguing. Ken understand I do value you here, which is why I'm trying to help here.
I also suggest for your own benefit, and other people's benefit, dont just go to other forums like GF to say whatever you want and argue with people. Why? Because then you are perpetuating the same shit, and wasting your own valuable time. You dont need to live in the same house with anyone here. It's text on a screen. Yes you are grown men and can decide what you do or dont want to do. But is it healthy to decide to argue and go to war over what's really just shit?
If I just banned rg, it would be banning someone who actively tries to contribute, even though his posts are directed at the recreational player, as many players are.
Anyway now more time wasted. I hope thats the last time for everyones sake. If the shit continues my best option is to use moderation. Dont get me wrong, I dont care if there's the occasional harmless banter here. But what i cant tolerate is the constant bullshit every day that makes this an unpleasant place even for me. Yes members can stay only on productive threads, but none of us want the forum polluted with bullshit arguments.
"No votes" means what?
Ken
After a complaint you were giving caleb tonnes of outstanding ratings for seemingly insignificant and random posts, i checked and found the claim accurate. So i restricted tour account from rating. It not to say you haven't given justified ratings too. Just that there was clearly a lot of unjustified ratings. And that's not fair to other members who give appropriate ratings. I'm talking about outstanding ratings for things like 1 line posts or insulting images which just aren't justified.
Consider it from my view. The same rules apply to everyone. I do like u ken but i can't be biased.
Maybe others have done the same but I'll only look into it after a complaint.
QuoteIf i just banned caleb, then players wouldnt benefit from important information that every player should know. I'm not saying caleb is gods gift to roulette and we should all just listen. I dont agree with him on some things. But at the very least he posts facts that everyone should know. Yes he's an arsehole sometimes with how he explains basic facts. But sometimes people need a kick in the ass to wake up, instead of a gentle "hey excuse me, that system probably wont work".
What ever his name is, ...
He is attacking GUT from the first post I made and he is attacking me since then. This is more than 8 years.
Every new forum opened he was the first to attack GUT and me.
sometimes people need a kick in the ass to wake up, instead of a gentle "hey excuse me, that system probably wont work".Steve, so you think I need kicks in the ass for that long time?
I know nothing about your system.
If you tell me more about it i will tell you what i know about it, and why. My only interest is the truth.
Steve do members personally know each other, i've never met another member, so i dont like or dislike Mr J, it does not matter if its a productive post he'll give me the finger, but i enjoy the stupid finger game with him, just look to the rates and then give him the finger.
Are you letting us believe you know nothing on GUT
Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 06:27 AM 2016
I know nothing about your system.
If you tell me more about it i will tell you what i know about it, and why. My only interest is the truth.
You are good with words. Not replying but leading the conversation in a new direction:
You don´t need to know anything about my strategy. The simple question is: Is there a need for anybody to attack a strategy and a person who offered it for more than 8 years? And that not only there, where it is published but also "around the world"?
What is the idea behind it? Even very bad people aren´t stalked that way!
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 06:57 AM 2016
You are good with words. Not replying but leading the conversation in a new direction:
You don´t need to know anything about my strategy. The simple question is: Is there a need for anybody to attack a strategy and a person who offered it for more than 8 years? And that not only there, where it is published but also "around the world"?
What is the idea behind it? Even very bad people aren´t stalked that way!
He does go on other forums and create gut threads
Its obvious trolling
But thats what we deal with
He has a vendetta against winkel. Very childish
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 06:30 AM 2016Steve do members personally know each other, i've never met another member, so i dont like or dislike Mr J, it does not matter if its a productive post he'll give me the finger, but i enjoy the stupid finger game with him, just look to the rates and then give him the finger.
I have no idea except to say I only know of a few members that know each other in person.
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 06:30 AM 2016Are you letting us believe you know nothing on GUT
Correct I know nothing about it. I have an open mind and know I will never know everything. But I do have a lot of experience. So when I see something like RRBRBR I know the system is likely no different. Why? Because I have software that checks for any combination of RB imaginable and there is no known correlation. No sequence of numbers, dozens, streets etc etc that occur more than another. So if the odds dont change, and the payout doesnt change, then what changes? Nothing. But again I know nothing about GUT. Maybe its different, I dont know.
The one exception with patterns is when there are real physical variables and solid information that correlate to spin outcomes and sequences. A simple example is how a specific combination of rotor and wheel base / bowl can make specific numbers more likely to spin and/or repeat (aka bias). But there is far more going on than bias from wheel defects. Everything, everything is cause and effect.
In my mind, the "holy grail" of roulette AP is modelling cause and effect. Modelling the physics, and the relationship between variables and spin outcomes. But to make it practical, you need to cross reference the data. You can either have thousands of spins to check for data anomalies, or use all the data and interconnect it. That way you can use far less data and still have reliable analysis. Thats what my approaches are. Its really common sense stuff, but I had to go through all the stages of gamblers fallacy and ignorance first.
In the end I came to understand one simple fact: the only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions (changing the odds). Most systems dont even remotely do this.
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 06:57 AM 2016The simple question is: Is there a need for anybody to attack a strategy and a person who offered it for more than 8 years? And that not only there, where it is published but also "around the world"?
If he truly believed you were misleading people, he may aim to steer people towards the truth. Does he actually have a point with what he says, or is he just being an asshole? I dont know because I dont know about GUT.
QuoteWhat is the idea behind it? Even very bad people aren´t stalked that way!
It shouldnt be so bad. Spend a day in my shoes and have clowns dedicate their lives trying to damage you because of their problems. What you have are critics, not stalkers. Anyone in the spotlight will have critics. How you deal with them is let the truth speak, and anyone too stupid to figure it out is not someone you want to deal with anyway. If GUT is on the right track, then be patient. All truth comes out eventually. And if you are wrong, then just accept the mistake and learn from it.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 07:01 AM 2016He does go on other forums and create gut threads. Its obvious trolling. But thats what we deal with. He has a vendetta against winkel. Very childish
Either he's trolling, wants to teach people the truth so they benefit, or a bit of both. I think it's a bit of both. I think he gets off on hanging truth over people's heads. He may be nice and helpful, or an asshole. It depends on his mood for the day. I dont agree with how he goes about it most of the time. But also most of the time, I agree with his assessment and explanations of systems. Actually mathematical fact is not "opinion". Just people either understand it or not. Again I'm not talking about GUT or any system specifically.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 07:37 AM 2016
I have no idea except to say I only know of a few members that know each other in person.
Correct I know nothing about it. I have an open mind and know I will never know everything. But I do have a lot of experience. So when I see something like RRBRBR I know the system is likely no different. Why? Because I have software that checks for any combination of RB imaginable and there is no known correlation. No sequence of numbers, dozens, streets etc etc that occur more than another. So if the odds dont change, and the payout doesnt change, then what changes? Nothing. But again I know nothing about GUT. Maybe its different, I dont know.
The one exception with patterns is when there are real physical variables and solid information that correlate to spin outcomes and sequences. A simple example is how a specific combination of rotor and wheel base / bowl can make specific numbers more likely to spin and/or repeat (aka bias). But there is far more going on than bias from wheel defects. Everything, everything is cause and effect.
In my mind, the "holy grail" of roulette AP is modelling cause and effect. Modelling the physics, and the relationship between variables and spin outcomes. But to make it practical, you need to cross reference the data. You can either have thousands of spins to check for data anomalies, or use all the data and interconnect it. That way you can use far less data and still have reliable analysis. Thats what my approaches are. Its really common sense stuff, but I had to go through all the stages of gamblers fallacy and ignorance first.
In the end I came to understand one simple fact: the only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions (changing the odds). Most systems dont even remotely do this.
If he truly believed you were misleading people, he may aim to steer people towards the truth. Does he actually have a point with what he says, or is he just being an asshole? I dont know because I dont know about GUT.
It shouldnt be so bad. Spend a day in my shoes and have clowns dedicate their lives trying to damage you because of their problems. What you have are critics, not stalkers. Anyone in the spotlight will have critics. How you deal with them is let the truth speak, and anyone too stupid to figure it out is not someone you want to deal with anyway. If GUT is on the right track, then be patient. All truth comes out eventually. And if you are wrong, then just accept the mistake and learn from it.
Either he's trolling, wants to teach people the truth so they benefit, or a bit of both. I think it's a bit of both. I think he gets off on hanging truth over people's heads. He may be nice and helpful, or an asshole. It depends on his mood for the day. I dont agree with how he goes about it most of the time. But also most of the time, I agree with his assessment and explanations of systems. Actually mathematical fact is not "opinion". Just people either understand it or not. Again I'm not talking about GUT or any system specifically.
He goes onto forums that haven't even mentioned GUT and starts a thread "GUT doesn't work"
Lol its so blatant
OK Steve,
I understood. you are also on the "Dark Side" and you love to run a rouletteforum where it is not aloud to talk about any way trying to beat the game.
You love to have "truthtellers" that will ruin your forum.
So be happy with them. I for sure will quit posting any idea.
I was never ever misleading people or leading people anywhere, they don´t want to go. I trust in people having their own mind and the possibility to make their own decisions.
And I don´t think people who believe they are in possession of the whole truth and have the right and the order to attack everyone else are better than a terrorist.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 08:00 AM 2016He goes onto forums that haven't even mentioned GUT and starts a thread "GUT doesn't work"
If that's the case then he's wasting his own time. But like I said, anyone attacked simply needs to state the truth, and let people use their own brains to figure it out. You dont want to deal with the ones too stupid to figure it out anyway. Trust me, I'm a professional.
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:09 AM 2016you are also on the "Dark Side" and you love to run a rouletteforum where it is not aloud to talk about any way trying to beat the game.
No, I am on the side of reason. That is I have an open mind to possibility. I understand what is realistic, probable, and improbable. You know I believe in aliens, ESP and related phenomena. From experience and logic. Not from being nuts.
Rubbish people are not allowed to talk about any way to beat roulette. Anyone here who knows me well enough know I often encourage free and open discussion about anything BUT advise people to try ***NEW APPROACHES*** instead of the same old stuff we know doesn't work.
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:09 AM 2016I was never ever misleading people or leading people anywhere, they don´t want to go. I trust in people having their own mind and the possibility to make their own decisions.
And I don´t think people who believe they are in possession of the whole truth and have the right and the order to attack everyone else are better than a terrorist.
Yes you get attacked, but it is nothing you should care about. You cant compare some forum posts to acts of terrorism. If what he does bothers you, if you were me you would have killed yourself by now. Again if GUT is legit, and if you want to defend yourself, just prepare a template response and paste it wherever someone attacks you. Then let people decide for themselves. But then again that's what I did initially, so thats why people created a bunch of new lies I didnt have time or will to address. But then again, I dont think caleb is anywhere near as obsessed as my "friends".
Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 08:20 AM 2016
1.... Anyone here who knows me well enough know I often encourage free and open discussion about anything BUT advise people to try ***NEW APPROACHES*** instead of the same old stuff we know doesn't work.
2... You cant compare some forum posts to acts of terrorism......
3......, so thats why people created a bunch of new lies...
1. That´s a contradiction. As long as you think that it is correct to enter every thread and push it down, you will never ever find someone who will try ***NEW APPROACHES*** in this forum!
2. Ofcourse I can. Because they are.
3. That´s what the one and the other do. Everyday everywhere everytime. Be proud and happy having them
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:39 AM 2016That´s a contradiction. As long as you think that it is correct to enter every thread and push it down, you will never ever find someone who will try ***NEW APPROACHES*** in this forum!
Where did I say it was ok to enter every thread to constantly pester and discredit a system? I didnt.
I have said many times Caleb busts balls too much. In some cases it is trolling. But at the same time, his posts are accurate and beneficial to people who are interested in winning - however inconvenient it may be to some people. As it is here, this is a forum. I am not going to censor or ban logic and thought. But I will not allow members to pester people who perhaps play purely recreational and dont care if they dont understand the game. Pestering is trolling.
Do you see me discouraging new ideas, or attacking them? The only ideas I critize are like RBRB because they as old as history and dont work. I dont critize witout clear fatcs to back it up.
Here as admin I protect the balance, witout bias. Even creating a no AP zone which I know perpetuates ignorance. But some players just dont want to be told why theyre wrong. Thats ok. I dont agree with it, but hey its their choice and i respect their righttodo as they please. But i also added the warning at the top of the forum.
Winkel I know you are upset caleb criticizes you and/or your system. But please be accurate when you make statements about what I do and dont allow.
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:39 AM 2016Ofcourse I can. Because they are.
So by your logic, caleb is a terrorist, no different to people who kill innocent people. Ok.
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:39 AM 2016That´s what the one and the other do. Everyday everywhere everytime. Be proud and happy having them
I dont know exactly what they say. But most of what I see about you is actually about your systems, not you personally. But you seem to take it personally.
I have to say it as it is. You are over-reacting. Calling him a terrorist? Come on. Just accept everyone is subject to criticism at some point. Just let the truth speak for itself. Why get all emotional about it calling people terrorists?
Nobody cares about who decides what is truth and what not? How can anyone know for sure it is the truth? Not long ago everyone thought the earth was flat (some still do...) now we know it is not.
So who decides GUT is not truth? How can you know? Why are winkel, azim and notto after all these years still playing it and still winning?
To me, there are here some roulette religions. Everybody believes in his own truths. Why cant people accept there are more ways to beat roulette?
Winkel has GUT
Priyanka has some clever math
Mr J. has max 4 numbers flat (or something like that. We will never know)
The General looks for bias
TG looks for hotties
Nowun uses his mind
You wanna know the truth? They all claim to be winning! On this board needs to be a stricter regime. If someone posts a idea and gets attacks give that person a warning. It's not that hard to run a good forum. But it seems to me you dont want to act. I someone needs freedom of speech he can start his own threads but not ruin someone elses thread.
This forum is a complete joke. I think some users are just testing how far they can go and the line keeps been pushing further and further.
Act like a leader and do something about it.
Also that whole rating system is a complete joke to. It does not add any valua whatsoever. It only makes things worse.
Ray
you describe Utopia
life isnt like that. where ever humans congregate there will be dickheads, spoilers, good guys, liars, disbelievers, moaners who do something about it, moaners who dont, Leaders, Leader haters and Sheep
RayManZ,
You have dared to speak the truth the way things are around here.Don`t be surprised the entire " truth squad" will jump bare assed m into your face. .
Just like in politics: It`s the power of the established clique and their willing tools.
Or like a nursery or kinderbgarden with their nannies. If you a good( like we think and obey) you will get good points.
It's not a Utopia.
You guys just make it way too difficult. It is not that difficult at all...
If you don't like anothers religion don't interfere. Yes in real life that would be hard to manage, but this is a forum. You can delete/edit/ban or whatever you want.
Anything offtopic in a roulette related thread could be deleted straight away. For all those hate thread there can be a special place here on the forum. It's not that hard at all, but i think Steve chooses not to do anything. He favor some religions more than others.
Lack of mutual respect
The problem with some people is the rehashing
Dont ruin peoples threads. If you disagree state it. Thats fine. But dont beat a dead horse and be condescending.
People will play their own ways.
Going onto forums to start a thread that says "gut doesnt work" is not only childish, but very counter productive
Also. I may point out. If an individual is wealthy off of biased wheels, a petty forum wouldn't be the place to be
Ray....I personally havnt attacked anyones religion. Is it that bad in here? Perhaps Ive been here too long. What specific posts are you talking about. Ive never seen a "report to mod" off you
Could be worse I guess. People could conduct all their character assassinations about here on other forums where nothing can be done about it
QuoteNobody cares about who decides what is truth and what not? How can anyone know for sure it is the truth?
QuoteSo who decides GUT is not truth? How can you know?
It's called math, logic, common sense and experience. Contrary to what you might think, we can easily use math and logic to determine if a system will work, and calculate what the expectation would be.
This produces certain facts that we can very quickly know about a system. Unfortunately people tend to view such facts as being some kind of an attack, when in reality they're not. But such facts are needed to help everyone's gambling knowledge mature and grow. Without the facts, bad systems are built on fallacy, myth, and superstition, and in the end people lose money.
QuoteNot long ago everyone thought the earth was flat (some still do...) now we know it is not.
Unfortunately many people are still stuck in fallacies with certain systems and the gambler's fallacy is a alive and well. Not all systems are bad, and some actually are a little better than others. Using some basic probability and some common sense you can learn what works best. I would also recommend taking the time to learn from the mistakes of others, as you will not live long enough to make all of the mistakes yourself.
QuoteWhy are winkel, azim and notto after all these years still playing it and still winning?
Maybe you should ask them. But I will simply say that sometimes people exaggerate, and or they may not play as often as they claim, leaving them to exist in a bubble of variance. (Luck).
Please do not view this post as being negative. It is meant to be factual and to provide information from which people can learn.
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 02:34 PM 2016
But I will simply say that sometimes people exaggerate, and or they may not play as often as they claim
Like claiming to travel and play biased wheels for a living
Claiming to make more money in 8 hours than people make in their entire life. Yet spend time here
That type of exaggeration?
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 02:34 PM 2016Quote
Why are winkel, azim and notto after all these years still playing it and still winning?
Maybe you should ask them. But I will simply say that sometimes people exaggerate, and or they may not play as often as they claim, leaving them to exist in a bubble of variance. (Luck).
I have asked you a thousand times, I will ask again on here to prove how negative you are.
How do you get from 1 to 2?
Knowing what he is writing in other forums about Steve and the members of this forum it makes me sick to read his contribution at all.
I´m waiting since 8 years for the math that proves that GUT fails.
If the answer is containing words like "Houseedge", LawofThird, Fallacy etc. the answer is not worth a dime.
I were showing that he is just singing a sermon he once learned in the school for obnoxious boys.
QuoteLike claiming to travel and play biased wheels for a living
Claiming to make more money in 8 hours than people make in their entire life. Yet spend time here
That type of exaggeration?RouletteGhost
Ghost,
Some people make all kinds of claims on roulette forums. You should assume that I'm a lowly shoe cobbler that plays an organ grinder with his pet monkey on the weekends in order to make change.
(link:s://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/11/92/df/1192dfdfa0b818c6e468655eb7bf7b58.jpg)
Now regarding the negativity:
If you don't like someone, then don't follow them around where ever they go. Avoid their posts, rather than posting two, three, and even four in a row sometimes in order to elicit some kind of response. Contrary to popular believe, I am not your enemy. I find you entertaining at times, but I'm not purposefully trying to troll you. Slow down the world a bit, and know that all is well. ;)
@ Winkel,
I don't know when the last time was that I commented on a post of yours on this forum. Besides, facts and math are not your enemy, and neither am I. Please stop playing victim.
Best of luck,
The General
General,
Looks like you ignoring my question, How do you get from 1 to 2?
If you so good at math answer this simple question, you won't and you know why you won't.
So the same way stop baggering something that you think is right.
You claim been a victim and start crying wolf, just like your other friend.
The answer to your question Azim is in the book
"How to visually detect a biased roulette wheel"
I have a copy
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 02:56 PM 2016
@ Winkel,
I don't know when the last time was that I commented on a post of yours on this forum. Besides, facts and math are not your enemy, and neither am I. Please stop playing victim.
Best of luck,
The General
That is the proof of your vileness: "on this forum" and as "The General"
is something else than in
every forum also in this
since
8 years under changing nicknames
This is not to help people
This is a personal thing. A way to get under skin and throw stones
We know how he feels. He knows we all know, yet he still does this: see image
Instead of just having a mutual respect and understanding this is how some people play. And accept that fact, he does this trolling stuff
Accept the fact that people play differently.
Problem solved
Many people do well with it
When you die are you going to have a shirt on at your funeral that says "gut is absurd" ?
At this point you are taking it to your grave
Shush
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 03:12 PM 2016Instead of just having a mutual respect and understanding this is how some people play. And accept that fact, he does this trolling stuff
Steve, doesn't think so.
So, question for you Steve, why is he ignoring my question?
The question was how do you get from 1 to 2?
Get him to answer that and prove that he isn't trolling.
Quote from: Azim on Oct 06, 03:15 PM 2016
The question was how do you get from 1 to 2?
If only people played roulette with as much passion as they do to go round in circles with who said what - and none of it really matters :xd:
I use one of these
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Little humor
When Caleb dies:
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Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 02:34 PM 2016Please do not view this post as being negative.
Do you think calling me an idiot in GF forum negative ?
The one thing you did have, even though I dont condone your bullying, was my respect.
Can I respect someone who didnt have the balls to call me an idiot to my face? I think not Caleb
Turner,
As a moderator you should work to calm the situation, not fan the fire. :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 04:16 PM 2016
Turner,
As a moderator you should work to calm the situation, not fan the fire. :thumbsup:
Here Good example Steve, want's to correct other's but doesn't know his own flaws.
Thinks he is smarter than others.
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 04:16 PM 2016
Turner,
As a moderator you should work to calm the situation, not fan the fire. :thumbsup:
Like when you were a modeator. Top notch and unbiased.
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 04:16 PM 2016
Turner,
As a moderator you should work to calm the situation, not fan the fire. :thumbsup:
I wasnt posting as a moderator
As a moderator, If it was up to me, I would of banned you as soon as I knew it was you
Ive seen the damage you have done to several forums over 10 years. I wouldnt be proud of being known for that.
You cause too much upset and it far outweighs any use your roulette knowledge has on people.Thats the rub. That the reality.
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 04:16 PM 2016
Turner,
As a moderator you should work to calm the situation, not fan the fire. :thumbsup:
:girl_to:
its a shame
he could have been a great contributor, left the people alone that chose to play other ways
instead he is known as a troll who *MIGHT* make a living off bias
look at his posts on all the other forums, he is not hard to find
you have xander, houston, etc etc...all trollings
starting a thread on another forum to spite and/or troll a member who created a method that people play, really undermines his superiority status...just another forum trol
turner said it perfectly...it far outweighs his AP knowledge
he could have found a planet with life....with that attitude, noone would listen
Quote from: Turner on Oct 06, 04:41 PM 2016You cause too much upset and it far outweighs any use your roulette knowledge has on people.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 05:49 PM 2016
its a shame
he could have been a great contributor, left the people alone that chose to play other ways
instead he is known as a troll who *MIGHT* make a living off bias
look at his posts on all the other forums, he is not hard to find
you have xander, houston, etc etc...all trollings
starting a thread on another forum to spite and/or troll a member who created a method that people play, really undermines his superiority status...just another forum trol
turner said it perfectly...it far outweighs his AP knowledge
he could have found a planet with life....with that attitude, noone would listen
:thumbsup: Well said RG.
Quote from: The General on Oct 06, 02:34 PM 2016
It's called math, logic, common sense and experience. Contrary to what you might think, we can easily use math and logic to determine if a system will work, and calculate what the expectation would be.
This produces certain facts that we can very quickly know about a system. Unfortunately people tend to view such facts as being some kind of an attack, when in reality they're not. But such facts are needed to help everyone's gambling knowledge mature and grow. Without the facts, bad systems are built on fallacy, myth, and superstition, and in the end people lose money.
Unfortunately many people are still stuck in fallacies with certain systems and the gambler's fallacy is a alive and well. Not all systems are bad, and some actually are a little better than others. Using some basic probability and some common sense you can learn what works best. I would also recommend taking the time to learn from the mistakes of others, as you will not live long enough to make all of the mistakes yourself.
Maybe you should ask them. But I will simply say that sometimes people exaggerate, and or they may not play as often as they claim, leaving them to exist in a bubble of variance. (Luck).
Please do not view this post as being negative. It is meant to be factual and to provide information from which people can learn.
:thumbsup: Great points again General sir.
Ken
Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 12:53 AM 2016
After a complaint you were giving caleb tonnes of outstanding ratings for seemingly insignificant and random posts, i checked and found the claim accurate. So i restricted tour account from rating. It not to say you haven't given justified ratings too. Just that there was clearly a lot of unjustified ratings. And that's not fair to other members who give appropriate ratings. I'm talking about outstanding ratings for things like 1 line posts or insulting images which just aren't justified.
Consider it from my view. The same rules apply to everyone. I do like u ken but i can't be biased.
Maybe others have done the same but I'll only look into it after a complaint.
I dont want you to like me Steve. You and your sidekick Turner are the most bias around, FACT.
Do you have the right to be bias? Yes, its your board but do me a favor man, dont ACT non-bias. Also, so a complaint came your way (via PM)....is that anything similar to the complaint I gave regarding the thread....Jizz and finger to mr j?
Was it similar to that complaint? Let me do a bit of adding....I'll be back in a few minutes non-bias guy.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:15 PM 2016
:thumbsup: Great points again General sir.
Ken
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Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:20 PM 2016
I dont want you to like me Steve. You and your sidekick Turner are the most bias around, FACT.
Do you have the right to be bias? Yes, its your board but do me a favor man, dont ACT non-bias. Also, so a complaint came your way (via PM)....is that anything similar to the complaint I gave regarding the thread....Jizz and finger to mr j?
Was it similar to that complaint? Let me do a bit of adding....I'll be back in a few minutes non-bias guy.
Ken
MrJ, you are purposely not being a part of the forum
all your posts have been negative lately
why even post?
its at the ridiculous point
Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 12:53 AM 2016
After a complaint you were giving caleb tonnes of outstanding ratings for seemingly insignificant and random posts, i checked and found the claim accurate. So i restricted tour account from rating. It not to say you haven't given justified ratings too. Just that there was clearly a lot of unjustified ratings. And that's not fair to other members who give appropriate ratings. I'm talking about outstanding ratings for things like 1 line posts or insulting images which just aren't justified.
Consider it from my view. The same rules apply to everyone. I do like u ken but i can't be biased.
Maybe others have done the same but I'll only look into it after a complaint.
It got to a point where it did not matter what anyone said they got the finger from J and it did not matter what caleb said he got the thumbs up
system abuse by MrJ....he is not a part of the forum
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 07:22 PM 2016
MrJ, you are purposely not being a part of the forum
all your posts have been negative lately
why even post?
its at the ridiculous point
If you bring it up 500 times, I'll answer 500 times. Steve posted with MY NAME IN IT, so I am responding.
@Steve >> RG was not too bad....3 fingers (no biggie) but 6 jizz to me, not too bad.
nottophammer >> (to me)....24 fingers and 16 jizz. Hey non-bias guy Steve, is this okay?
Now lets look at Generals, give me a minute.
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:30 PM 2016
If you bring it up 500 times, I'll answer 500 times. Steve posted with MY NAME IN IT, so I am responding.
@Steve >> RG was not too bad....3 fingers (no biggie) but 6 jizz to me, not too bad.
nottophammer >> (to me)....24 fingers and 16 jizz. Hey non-bias guy Steve, is this okay?
Now lets look at Generals, give me a minute.
im not talking about now
you have become so bitter that in general all of your posts have been negative to people
a forum downer
i understand you were not cut to be a mod and that will make someone bitter but if you do well with roulette then why do you care to even post
just to be the caleb counterpart and cause trouble?
enough is enough
I'm not asking you RG, I'm asking non-bias guy Steve.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:30 PM 2016
If you bring it up 500 times, I'll answer 500 times. Steve posted with MY NAME IN IT, so I am responding.
@Steve >> RG was not too bad....3 fingers (no biggie) but 6 jizz to me, not too bad.
nottophammer >> (to me)....24 fingers and 16 jizz. Hey non-bias guy Steve, is this okay?
Now lets look at Generals, give me a minute.
Here we go again, crying wolf. Was attacked first.
Ok, explain this t me, How many fingers have I given you?
And how many have you given me...
That should be an abuse in it self, shouldn't it?
Now start crying again, I got attacked first....
Why don't you do what you write on other forums is just leave this one alone...
So now Azim chimes in (with my name) and according to the RG/Steve/Turner rules, I should not respond. WTF?
Ken
Finger from notto >> "No votes" means what? << That deserves a finger, Steve?
Finger from notto >> Another "search"??
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:35 PM 2016
So now Azim chimes in (with my name) and according to the RG/Steve/Turner rules, I should not respond. WTF?
Ken
you have some sort of victim card mental disorder
do you know that? noone is telling you that you cannot respond
think broader
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:35 PM 2016
So now Azim chimes in (with my name) and according to the RG/Steve/Turner rules, I should not respond. WTF?
Ken
I am addressing you dumb A*** why do you give me fingures when I haven't give you one...
Yet you again start crying wolf. I WAS ATTACKED FIRST....
Go play with your black chips coming out of your BU** you dumb A**
Just here to ruin the forum like your boyfriend GENERAL.
Finger from notto >> @Steve >> Can you list for us the number of times I PMed you (or Turner) with a complaint regarding the thread.......Finger and jizz to Mr J.
Thanks man.
So RG and Azim respond again but I'm the bad guy......dont forget that.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:40 PM 2016
So RG and Azim respond again but I'm the bad guy......dont forget that.
Ken
you need to take a step back and review.....
Finger from notto >> Getting real tired of hearing....JORDAN, every damn time the 23 hits. Like I give a s**t.
Jizz from notto >> Deepwater Horizon >> 8 (wow!)
Masterminds >> 3 (very disappointed)
(Also, I'll be counting the ratings I gave General and I'll compare that number with, the high marks RG received from the same posters, give me a minute)
Jizz from notto >>
Just got home from the casino....+$3,800, thanks for asking.
you were handing out the fingers...so there was retaliation
stop being a victim lol
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:46 PM 2016
Jizz from notto >>
Just got home from the casino....+$3,800, thanks for asking.
Hey, crying wolf... Why don't you mention that you have given me 5 fingers and 20 dislikes... That Steve had to remove...
Yet I haven't given you any...
See crying wolf.. don't be bias... to your self....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 07:48 PM 2016
you were handing out the fingers...so there was retaliation
stop being a victim lol
(finger from notto >> Why would you be playing on-line? Makes no sense.)
no no no RG, over your head as usual. Am I complaining about those fingers? Heck no, I could careless.
I care about the bias here....DIFFERENT RULES FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE and all from non-bias Steve.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:51 PM 2016
(finger from notto >> Why would you be playing on-line? Makes no sense.)
no no no RG, over your head as usual. Am I complaining about those fingers? Heck no, I could careless.
I care about the bias here....DIFFERENT RULES FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE and all from non-bias Steve.
Ken
Looks like your head has different rules for your boyfriend and the rest of the world.
You are the trouble maker, as you have mentioned it everywhere else on other forums.
But here Steve, is letting you couples get away with murder.
Quote from: Azim on Oct 06, 07:55 PM 2016
Looks like your head has different rules for your boyfriend and the rest of the world.
You are the trouble maker, as you have mentioned it everywhere else on other forums.
But here Steve, is letting you couples get away with murder.
Hmmm, you post AGAIN and I'm the bad guy. You call him my boyfriend and I'm the bad guy. I think non-bias Steve is letting YOU get away with too much BS. Please stop attacking me. I dont run and send PMs, like others do (lol)
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 07:58 PM 2016
Hmmm, you post AGAIN and I'm the bad guy. You call him my boyfriend and I'm the bad guy. I think non-bias Steve is letting YOU get away with too much BS. Please stop attacking me. I dont run and send PMs, like others do (lol)
Ken
LMAO... The truth hurts.. huh...Remember asking the rest 18 to make an appointment..
Who attacked the 18 first?
Crying wolf... So it's ok for you to call us stupid but we can't call you or tell you anything?
Quote from: Azim on Oct 06, 08:02 PM 2016
LMAO... The truth hurts.. huh...Remember asking the rest 18 to make an appointment..
Who attacked the 18 first?
Crying wolf... So it's ok for you to call us stupid but we can't call you or tell you anything?
.....and yet again (I'm the bad guy, remember)
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 08:03 PM 2016
.....and yet again (I'm the bad guy, remember)
Ken
I think you took the delusional pill....
Wtf....
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 08:03 PM 2016
.....and yet again (I'm the bad guy, remember)
Ken
And yet again... You don't like it here.. so why post at all here?
Want to cry again...Say you got attacked first?
Quote from: Azim on Oct 06, 04:23 PM 2016
Here Good example Steve, want's to correct other's but doesn't know his own flaws.
Thinks he is smarter than others.
Steve, Turner, Iggiv or Colbster,
Can you change the line in the above reply to read...
Here Good example Steve, General, want's to correct other's but doesn't know his own flaws.
..
It was past my modify time when I originally noticed.
General, you can remove the like if you want from the post, it was about you and not Turner.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 08:14 PM 2016
I think you took the delusional pill....
Wtf....
...and yet again (but I'm the bad guy folks. I love the consistency here).
Quote from: Azim on Oct 06, 08:14 PM 2016
And yet again... You don't like it here.. so why post at all here?
Want to cry again...Say you got attacked first?
...and yet again (but I'm the bad guy folks. I love the consistency here).
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 06, 08:22 PM 2016
...and yet again (but I'm the bad guy folks. I love the consistency here).
Which part don't you get bad guy?
Maybe you don't understand english , i will type slowly so you can read, y o u d o n t l i k e i t h e r e , s o w h y a r e y o u p o s t i n g o n t h i s f o r u m?
Quote from: Azim on Oct 06, 08:30 PM 2016
Which part don't you get bad guy?
Maybe you don't understand english , i will type slowly so you can read, y o u d o n t l i k e i t h e r e , s o w h y a r e y o u p o s t i n g o n t h i s f o r u m?
...and yet again (but I'm the bad guy folks. I love the consistency here).
Hey, crying wolf, read this:
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iHeartRoulette said: â†'
It looks like you have selective eyesight that only sees the parts criticizing your mentor Steven the convicted scammer and known criminal. Take off Steven's glasses and re-read this post where your question is already answered.
I only SCAN over people that are nuts posts. I think you and I could be buddies (rofl), I did a recent thread regarding Steve.
Not to your extent mind you.
Ken
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Why come again, and say you got attacked first? You have to stop posting here, yet it's good for you to discredit people else where, but you got attacked here first..
That does it
Hes crazy
Nothing else needs to be said
Zip it shut
Quote from: Azim on Oct 06, 08:43 PM 2016
Hey, crying wolf, read this:
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iHeartRoulette said: â†'
It looks like you have selective eyesight that only sees the parts criticizing your mentor Steven the convicted scammer and known criminal. Take off Steven's glasses and re-read this post where your question is already answered.
I only SCAN over people that are nuts posts. I think you and I could be buddies (rofl), I did a recent thread regarding Steve.
Not to your extent mind you.
Ken
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Why come again, and say you got attacked first? You have to stop posting here, yet it's good for you to discredit people else where, but you got attacked here first..
...and yet again (but I'm the bad guy folks. I love the consistency here).
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 08:48 PM 2016
That does it
Hes crazy
Nothing else needs to be said
Zip it shut
...and yet again (but I'm the bad guy folks. I love the consistency here).
I'm real curious.....where are the SAME posters yelling at me to stop BUT YET, I see nothing directed towards these other 2-3? Hmmmmm, I love the consistency here.
Ken
All i know is that you love consistency
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 08:59 PM 2016
All i know is that you love consistency
Thank you. I think its a good habit to have.
Ken
link:s://youtu.be/MPMmC0UAnj0
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 06, 11:12 AM 2016How can anyone know for sure it is the truth?
How do you know you're not living in a computer simulation? Nobody 100% knows anything. All we can do is use logic and reason.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 06, 11:12 AM 2016So who decides GUT is not truth?
In this case, the abacus will help. Basic math is not an "opinion". Sure I don't "100% know" this, but being realistic, I think it's reasonable to say there is only one correct answer to a mathematical equation.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 06, 11:12 AM 2016Why are winkel, azim and notto after all these years still playing it and still winning?
I dont know enough about their systems to comment, but I've tested many losing systems that won over 10,000 spins. It doesnt mean there is legitimate edge. Always the casino has losers and winners. Most are losers. Thats just how it works. And the more a player bets, the more likely they are to lose. See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ which explains the illusion of a winning strategy: link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/#the-illusion-of-a-winning-system
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 06, 11:12 AM 2016To me, there are here some roulette religions. Everybody believes in his own truths. Why cant people accept there are more ways to beat roulette?
Religions can be perspective of the same thing (like different names for "god"). Or they can be polar opposites. So religion is not a good example to use. When it comes to truth, as in the same facts for everyone, there is math. When is the last time 1+1 = 5 just because it was someone's opinion?
I think most people agree there are numerous ways of beating roulette. The problem is many players dont even recognize when a system uses the same losing approach, just packaged a different way. For example, some systems bet on sleepers. Some bet on hot numbers. Who is right? In most cases they are both wrong because no streak of numbers will change the odds. It's really plain fact. Every professional in the industry knows it. The exception is "hot numbers" can be attributed to bias. So when the cause is bias, the "hot numbers" are the better option.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 06, 11:12 AM 2016On this board needs to be a stricter regime. If someone posts a idea and gets attacks give that person a warning.
So you want to stifle free speech? You want it to be forbidden for members to correct each other, because it might hurt feelings? We already have a similar thing in the "system player's forum".
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 06, 11:12 AM 2016It's not that hard to run a good forum. But it seems to me you dont want to act. I someone needs freedom of speech he can start his own threads but not ruin someone elses thread.
You dont know what you're talking about. The members are the forum. The problem is, as someone already said, is that wherever there are people, there are differences of opinion, arguments etc. If I ran the forum the way you think it should be run, almost everyone would be banned, and nobody would learn anything. But the one guy left would be happy.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 06, 11:12 AM 2016This forum is a complete joke. I think some users are just testing how far they can go and the line keeps been pushing further and further. Act like a leader and do something about it. Also that whole rating system is a complete joke to. It does not add any valua whatsoever. It only makes things worse.
The rules enforced here are the same as any other forum. Although if you want to see the worst of the worst, to GF or GG where there is no moderation or even basic respect.
Not banning someone who hurts your feelings because he explained some math is not an indicator of me being a pussy admin. I have no problem banning, moderating, or saying it like it is. Its really easy for you to give your opinions without actually having experience with the bigger picture.
As for the rating systems, the negative value ratings were abused because of the level of maturity and bad blood here. So I removed negative votes. I kept jizzing and the finger because, well, some members like to jizz and finger each other. It's a bit of good clean mature fun.
Rayman, again its the members that make the forum. And i've asked many times for member input - especially reporting specific posts and bad behavior. I dont think you've ever contributed. The forum suchs exactly as much as its members, because they are the forum. Who am I? I'm just the keeper of the peace and will do whatever the members want. The problem is members dont always agree, so I simply maintain the balance and keep the most people happy possible, while retaining forum integrity. It is a careful balance. What do I mean? Well consider the "system players" forum, where the logic and math guys wont ever tell you basic facts. Is that good for the player that post there? Hell no if the player is interested in winning.
Facts and truth is important. But caleb knows where the line is. He has been banned before, but is better behaved this time. That is not to say I agree with everything he says or does here. But outright banning him is not the answer. What is the answer? A combination of things: proper moderation, members reporting bad behavior (report specific posts instead of whinging where it may not even be read), and get some backbone. Now if caleb or anyone busts balls too much, just go to the system players area. If he wants to bust your balls in a separate area, he will be warned - but he doesnt do that anyway. So you can go to your safe area. Caleb knows if he pushes the limits that he will be moderated. So if you think he's pushing the limit, report it as the rules explain.
I'd rather not go in circles but Rayman, you really dont know what you're talking about. In the end, it's this simple:
If there is a problem, bring the matter to my attention. Be very specific and explain your concerns. Then you will find I am a reasonable person, and will take appropriate action. Dont give me that crap that leadership is needed or imply I'm too soft. If I was soft, I would have banned caleb yet again. But the fact is although he's sometimes an asshole, he can help teach people basic math. You will find the occasional asshole everywhere in life. Dont be so sensitive. And if its too much for you, then just go to the system players forum. Or report him and I'll take action. But you do neither.
I've locked the topic. Everyone had the chance to have their say. A few extra points:
Quote from: Turner on Oct 06, 12:32 PM 2016Is it that bad in here? Perhaps Ive been here too long.
There are over-reactions. Compare here to GF or GG where the shit flows freely. Here we have a good balance of free speech but draw the line at personal attacks. Because that is the line between maximum productivity, and a mess.
I've read through some of the posts on this thread, especially the ones near the end. Seriously wtf. Come on. Everyone acts as if they have no problem. Actually almost everyone is doing something wrong. Some more than others, but almost everyone is still doing something to aggravate the situation. Except me, Im perfect :thumbsup:
What a waste of energy for everyone.
So let's leave it at this:
The rules are at link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9426.0
They are fair, and pretty much the same rules you'll get at any well moderated and balanced forum. Instead of having a whinge, everyone should try actually reading the rules and procedures to lodge a complaint. And where justified, either myself or a moderator will take corrective action.