I hate to use the word psychic, but its a common way of describing whatever it is.
Anyway i went through some old files and found a copy of the majority vote method in gambling. I checked and I couldnt find a copy of it on the internet. I only have it in printed form. There a few parts to the tests, in all about 100 pages from 1970-1985. Either its a very elaborate hoax, or this is something real. The people involved appear to also have been involved in cia remote viewing experiments, or someone knew the right names to use in a very convincing elaborate hoax. Is it a hoax? With everything considered, I dont think so. I received the information from a friend about 15 years ago.
I have the source code for the software they used. Once the math is understood, I'll hire a coder to write the program in a modern programming language. Then we can test it. The results will be kept private for whoever participates. The idea is one person bets based on the predictions and the algorithm that processes the data. The edge claimed is between 15-40% for games with near EC. Big claim, and my previous testing was not far off, but not enough tests to have conclusions.
If you are interested and serious about participating, please let me know here.
Hi Steve,
If you need participants for this one please let me know - psychic/meditative roulette selection has always interested me.
I've experimented a few times by picking numbers online that just pop into my head, with mixed results so further work needed.
Also, I missed the cut off for your JAA software - any idea when this will be available again?
Thanks
Nick
Im interested on participating. Whats the minimum of people needed for the algorithm to have 15-40% edge, 50-100 people?
I'll be interested in trying this out
Thanks, and actually as few as 5 participants were enough to significantly impact the player edge. That's because a bet was only justified when the software's algorithm determined a more likely accurate prediction.
I'll look more into the algorithm this week. It's written in a computer code from around 30 years ago.
So what exactly are we supposed to do to help you in the experiment? If there is something I can do sure, count me in for participants. :thumbsup:
Regarding the JAA that was referred in the thread. Is anytime opening again? Good question.
English won't be a problem for any possible explanations as it is described on the website
When I'm ready to go with testing, I'll contact people from this thread.
I can still take jaa players if the player requirements are met. Another option is the hybrid roulette computer, which costs you nothing except equipment you buy from ebay or whatever supplier you choose. That's explained at :.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/ but its better you contact me directly about those. Methods like jaa and computers probably have a 5-10 years of practical use left. It's hard to say. Things havent really changed that much in the last 15 years so who knows. I've been saying for years that precognition is where its all heading. Really I think it's the new AP and just a matter of time.
Really good offer Steve, lots of potential.
I have a tendency to underperform under pressure doing what I do (videoing etc), so I will give this a miss. Quite happy winning my way.
Quote from: nowun on Oct 09, 09:38 PM 2016I have a tendency to underperform under pressure doing what I do (videoing etc)
Yes its the same for everyone. And this kind of thing is most affected by pressure. But the idea is the technique and algorithm better deal with errors. Anyway no problem, I'm sure you can still provide input in some way.
I'd be happy to take part but in not a hardcore gambler like others seem to be :D
Quote from: Redherring on Oct 10, 01:06 AM 2016
I'd be happy to take part but in not a hardcore gambler like others seem to be :D
I think we dont need to try it out with real money, so I dont think thats a problem haha
And steve if you want to share with us the code of your algorithm I would like to see it aswell to see how it works
Hi Steve, sounds interesting. I would be happy to give it a go.
Hi Steve, Im interested to participate
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For now at least Ill keep the source code private. It was given to me in confidence although long time ago.
What i intend to do is have an interface users can have either on a website or pc, then there is an analysis server that generates final predictions to send the players.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 10, 08:48 PM 2016
For now at least Ill keep the source code private. It was given to me in confidence although long time ago.
What i intend to do is have an interface users can have either on a website or pc, then there is an analysis server that generates final predictions to send the players.
Well, if you need some help looking on the source code/maths you can always PM me hahaha :P
All details sent to programmer for price quote and eta. I should hear back before end of week. It will be coded for android phone, but any participants can run an android emulator on their pc.
The reason for android is because if this works, then the next step is application in real casino and using phones is most convenient/covert.
The test paper shows strong edge with just 5 people. What if we could get 10, 20 or 30 people. Even then, splitting the profits wont be that bad because with outside bets, there is no real limit to earnings because the casino will see any outside bet wins as pure luck. I keep saying it... this is the future of AP.
Count me in. THX
Hello Steve,
Thanks for going into this subject.
I have been working on this for the past 3 years with mix results.
So far, my approach could be wrong.
I wish to participate in your coming experiment.
Regards and best wishes.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 10:38 PM 2016
All details sent to programmer for price quote and eta. I should hear back before end of week. It will be coded for android phone, but any participants can run an android emulator on their pc.
The reason for android is because if this works, then the next step is application in real casino and using phones is most convenient/covert.
The test paper shows strong edge with just 5 people. What if we could get 10, 20 or 30 people. Even then, splitting the profits wont be that bad because with outside bets, there is no real limit to earnings because the casino will see any outside bet wins as pure luck. I keep saying it... this is the future of AP.
Lets say we cant go to where you want to practice, evryone would be able to explain friends about this app so they can download it and do it where each of us lives or youll sell so people can use it where they live, because Im from Spain I cant practice Online casinos that arent from Spain, spanish law bs..
How will this work exactly?
Quote from: High Ideas on Oct 12, 10:20 AM 2016Lets say we cant go to where you want to practice, evryone would be able to explain friends about this app so they can download it and do it where each of us lives or youll sell so people can use it where they live, because Im from Spain I cant practice Online casinos that arent from Spain, spanish law bs..
It is not something I'm "selling". It is intended to use in partnerships for profit split. And to be clear, I'm not saying this is definitely going to work. Just that others have tested the technique with the software algorithms with success. I've replicated the success in earlier trials, but it was only a small test. This software is for larger scale testing, with a view to actual application in casinos if it works.
Quote from: Scarface on Oct 12, 07:13 PM 2016How will this work exactly?
Numerous players sit at home and are asked to predict either red/black on a phone app. The predictions are sent to my server which analyzes the results with a particular algorithm, then sends the most likely accurate prediction (red or black) to the player at the table. The player bets, and hopefully achieves an edge. Then profits are divided between players.
It may work, we dont know yet. But I believe in precognition and see the logic of the algorithm and approach, and believe something positive will come from this. But I do expect we will need refinements to the process.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 08:13 PM 2016
It is not something I'm "selling". It is intended to use in partnerships for profit split. And to be clear, I'm not saying this is definitely going to work. Just that others have tested the technique with the software algorithms with success. I've replicated the success in earlier trials, but it was only a small test. This software is for larger scale testing, with a view to actual application in casinos if it works.
Numerous players sit at home and are asked to predict either red/black on a phone app. The predictions are sent to my server which analyzes the results with a particular algorithm, then sends the most likely accurate prediction (red or black) to the player at the table. The player bets, and hopefully achieves an edge. Then profits are divided between players.
It may work, we dont know yet. But I believe in precognition and see the logic of the algorithm and approach, and believe something positive will come from this. But I do expect we will need refinements to the process.
Hi Steve. I am interested and have a unique ability. Hope to hear from you.
Ok programmer says software will take about 3 weeks. He'll start soon. When he's done, it will take about a day for me to test. then assuming there are no issues, I'll provide download link and further instructions.
I offered him higher payment if he can do in 1 week. Waiting to hear.
Now he'll do it in 1 week, starting today.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 18, 08:53 PM 2016I offered him higher payment if he can do in 1 week. Waiting to hear.
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Now he'll do it in 1 week, starting today.
Money makes the world go round! :twisted:
Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 08:13 PM 2016Numerous players sit at home and are asked to predict either red/black on a phone app.
Shouldn't this turn the expected result to bet, to be just inside the normal distribution and SD boundaries? Except if this is the part that the algorithm is analyzing and determining if it is random or based on true precognition.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 08:13 PM 2016The player bets, and hopefully achieves an edge.
Are the bets going to be flat bet? Or is it any mild progression to be used assuming we have an edge? (so the progression can be used to our advantage in contrast to progressions on random betting scenarios)
I hope more players are willing to join. I'm in :thumbsup:
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Oct 19, 08:08 AM 2016Shouldn't this turn the expected result to bet, to be just inside the normal distribution and SD boundaries? Except if this is the part that the algorithm is analyzing and determining if it is random or based on true precognition.
The algorithm only produces a conclusive prediction when specific conditions are met. The process only needs a slight increase in accuracy. An average individual by themselves may have very little accuracy, if any at all.
And flat bets only.
But first let's do some testing. For now we're only trying to replicate results. It was done before in another test I did, but it was too small scale. Although others have done the same testing with positive and statistically relevant results.
QuoteI hope more players are willing to join. I'm in
I could easily get hundreds more. I'd just mail my database. But first I want to make sure at least the software is working perfectly in smaller scale results. And if we had say 100 participants, for sure some will get bored in seconds and quit, so the software needs to adapt. There will of course be lots of small things like this, which need to account for. It will only be the first release probably this week, if the programmer meets the deadline.
Programmer is 40% done so I dont expect he'll complete until next week. Maybe this week, but doubtful. Not long either way.
Programmer says he's bug fixing and should be done by end of week. Hopefully we dont get any more delays.
Nice :D
I received the software today. Next I'll test it. Almost always, the initial version has bugs. And assuming there are, I'll respond to the programmer today with details. If there arent bugs (unlikely), then I'll make it available shortly, and will provide details for group testing.
Not any further notice yet means that the first edition of the software DO had bugs and now corrections are in the process?
I received updated version yesterday but usually i don't work weekends. Ill test tomorrow.
good news :DD
I tested and the software does everything it needs, but there are a few functionality things that need to change. For example, the end user version doesn't tell the user when a new trial has begun. And without the user knowing this, this will make testing more difficult. So there are some minor changes then we will be ok to proceed. I dont know when to expect the changes though. Unfortunately this programmer isnt as quick as I hoped.
I tested the latest version today. He fixed a lot of the various tedious issues. It works perfectly with the exception: The users (players making prediction) currently need to manually click a button to see if or when a new session starts. This is being changed so each player is automatically told when a new session starts.
So the next version should be ready to go. Assuming that's the case, after testing it I'll write and publish the instructions with the software. I'm guessing another few days, or sometime next week.
Sounds very good :thumbsup:
we are all having a very very nice xmas :love:
Sorry it's taking so long. We are almost ready to go.
Programmer says he expects to deliver final builds tomorrow. If everything is ok, I'll finalize the instructions and publish everything. I expect we'll start organizing the first testing this week.
Sometimes perfection takes a little extra time............but it's always worth it!!!
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The software is working as intended and now that the procedures are finalized, I'll write the instructions and release the software. I expect to release it today.
great. looking forward to help. :thumbsup:
ready to test, waiting eagerly
I'll lock this thread now, and we'll continue at link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18276.0