NLE is still ok but because of the Brexit and US presidential election I decided that those events were the catalyst for NLE mk2 (only joking)
This could/will/possibly/maybe of interest particularly to Mogul who liked NLE but could not fathom out staking/progression.
For those that never saw it or have forgot what NLE is all about: it is waiting for 2 of the same EC becoming 3. ( I love rocket science)
Well mk2 is waiting for 3 of the same EC to become 4 (Heavens above!) There are less 3`s to become 4`s so it is easier to track and work out stakes because there are not as many multiple opportunities to cause confusion.
Some may wish to play each EC separately but I play them all together to avoid multiple 3`s of the same EC occuring possibly causing a long losing run.
Best of luck,
Brian
Fine tuned it now bleep?
Hi,
I play same staking as mk1: +1/-1 Bet any of the 6 E/C`s jointly: ie: not separately.
Good luck,
Brian
You know, there doesn't seem to be much happening here. But of late at least I seem to
have achieved some notoriety as having my own thread
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18232.msg168423;topicseen#msg168423
"just for mogul".
or honorable (??) mention in other threads.
I'm kind of a topic by myself. (Or at least my opinions are memorable). Kind of like
the advice colum in the paper.
I think it's an hysterical post you made. Interesting that you're thinking outside your own box.
Here's a request. Which has been consistently made before.
Would you be willing to catalogue a session, record it in DETAIL and post it here?
Yes it is some work. But I am asking if you would do it. Showing the spin results and the
math involved in your bets?
And I already know that this could turn into a "bad example", where by accident the example
is exceedingly easy or something and doesn't reflect the work that might be needed.
It would clarify the whole mess and get us on the same page.
Thanks
"the mogul".
WE would start with
1) bet unit size.
2) Buy in.
3) Show session.
4) end with max drawdown. Max bet. And profit/loss.
these just played on multi player watching trot +44
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Perhaps the latest celebrity on here could show the workings, 397
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Bleep any good
little mistake not +1/-1 and spin 44, but would be plus. Good bleep :thumbsup:
quick 40 spins on MPR +274 watching the trot,only 21 in 40 spins, big bets on last few as countback showed slow.
Heres the numbers
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maybe run them tomorrow or the celebrity could
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 17, 04:11 PM 2016
these just played on multi player watching trot +44
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Perhaps the latest celebrity on here could show the workings, 397
What is multi player?
What is trot?
And then what did you do?
No body knows what you're talking about.
What Ray is asking about in GUT, 0x's.
Are you going to show Bleep you know how to play NLE and show the workings
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 18, 03:24 PM 2016
What Ray is asking about in GUT, 0x's.
Are you going to show Bleep you know how to play NLE and show the workings
No, I won't show that. Cause I don't know how. How can or would I show something
that I don't know?
That is why I keep asking him. I'd like to see the math of how a session would work out.
And in particular where he cuts off (or doesn't cut off) when he's left in the middle somewhere
of the D'alenbert. Like he's betting 5 or 6 units, fought to get enough units back to get even,
and decides to stop the session even, left cast adrift in a bedpan.
And then taking it to my next level, wondering if he might care enough to actually do the work
at least once, or if he's just too F#$% lazy.
I do think he's from England, or something. Writes like he is. Remember. The English invented the
"tooth brush". So they could brush the single tooth they have left. So maybe that complacency
effects all parts of life.
Sorry. You brought up that awkward example.
I think what I was more wondering about was the part where, betting 2 dozen,
A progression of +/- 1 was used for the doubles.
My inclination is still that the results of any of these methods tend to cluster.
My testing shows it.
So if I am looking at dozens. 2 or 3. Then two tends to become 3 in a group.
And betting 2-1, for one dozen is a lot easier on the bank and the nerves than
the double.
Quote from: mogul397 on Nov 21, 09:43 AM 2016
I think what I was more wondering about was the part where, betting 2 dozen,
A progression of +/- 1 was used for the doubles.
In dont knockit till you try it, reply 31 theres a nice set of spins showing the doz and the double dozen to bet, all with parley. Is that what you are talking of
I had some time in the past few days, I started to play this bet selection with standard progression + 1 / -1, my assumptions were 40 units target profit or -200 units for stoplose session.
With the experience , I know That nozero BV, kill That kind of progression with standard bet selection, after making about 20% of your bankroll.
To my surprise I make 400 units without a single defeat. My highest stake was 18 units a few times, but never more.
I know it does not mean anything, the tests were too short.
But certainly interesting, because very rarely sees the bet selection which has other results, that any random bet. IT is very stable selection.
I dont recommend BV nozero to play for money, this strategy is sometimes very long, and if preferable to try to play, you will be caught problems with connection.
This is the NLE system where you see 3 in a row and play for a 4th?
a) I would be interested in seeing the performance of the original NLE with this
test. 18 units is high. I seem to remember someone testing the original and going
up to 22 units or something. But that is a healthy bankroll.
b) I'd also like to see some testing where you follow the trend. If last was a
triple, then play for a triple. If the last was a double then play for a double.
c) In the realm of stop losses, I notice that methods usually have some large stop loss
with a smaller session win. Like the 20 units and 200 loss. It still seems to me like
the direction of play is backwards. Why not accept smaller losses and have the method
look to winning the larger (inevitable it seems) loss/win.
To do that you may want to be betting the opposite way. Going back to my old "bow and arrow"
analogy, pocketing units of profit does that while the pendulum swings in your favor.
Banking potential losses the other way when you release the bow.
So the +/- 1 progression is loading a gun to be shot at your head. Accumulating
wins, pulling back the bow, and then releasing the bow to climb the progression ladder.
But going with the flow seems to remove some of this.
I've done 840 units, and then lost the first session -200 units, all BV rng
I do not know if it's lucky. If someone has RX can carry out a simulation on real spins, the results should be even better. RNG usually kills very quickly, this kind of progressions, but not this time.
I continue to play in this realm. Just posted another post about my activity.
Always looking at the doubles and triples, etc. When I see 3 in a row I bet AGAINST the 4th.
No progressions.
I'm finding patterns where different selections end up working in the short term. Then
maybe not. So having a toolkit in this basic level and determining what is working is the
way to do it. It's kind of intuitive.
Sure there can be more work. But going with what is happening once you see it from the marquis
seems to help. And stay away from the bad pattern of the moment.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 17, 04:11 PM 2016
these just played on multi player watching trot +44
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Perhaps the latest celebrity on here could show the workings, 397
How did you get that many triggers with those numbers?
Hi Mogul,
Giving that set of numbers you have posted a cursory look over. It appears 2 becoming 3 have come out left, right and centre. The main reason that I switched to 3 becoming 4 was less confusion and less increasing stakes. This has worked but the by-product of it is less opportunities to bet (and win) but I have increased my unit value. With 3 becoming 4 it seems to return between 8 and 12 units per 60 spins (about one hour on-line `live` dealer)
Perhaps I will go back to 2 becoming 3 and just throw money at it.
Need to win some money to pay for my up-coming trip to Florida.
Brian
Good idea if it helps.
But none of the lists of numbers here are from me.
Mostly notto.
I am feeling sad, lonely and dejected. No one has added a post to this thread so I thought that I might as well and to jog members (old and new) of the merits of NLE. I am playing 3 to become 4 version as it is easier to play. It is still winning for me. I am using +1/-1 though I have recently read of the merits of The Guetting progression and might compare results using same set of spins.
I keep coming back to NLE because what I find with other systems is that they let you down, or difficult to track and place bets within the short time frame available. With NLE you can just use history board and keep progression in your head. (3 becoming 4 version)
With it being a 50/50 chance things should not go awry much. On the very few occasions that I have lost it was because I ran out of time to keep on playing when I was sure that if I had done so it would have come back as it always had done.
Good luck to all, Brian
Are u covering all ec red black odd even high low
Hi Bigmoney,
Yes as and when they become 3 bet for to become 4. Could be 1 ,2 or 3 at same time, but mainly it will be 1.
Brian
I am a new user from Germany and have been lurking around for quite a while. I am interested in your NLE system, as I have discovered a more or less similar system in the *PDF file available here on this site with 2000+ systems.
But the system (called Genesis) is less sophisticated than yours.
I have a question though: how exactly do u you play when you say you play all the ecs combined and not separatly? How exactly do you handle the progression?
I assume that you don't have a separate progression for each ec. But what do you do if one ec e. g. has lost 3 times in a row and another ec has lost 2 times in a row and now the third ec lost its first bet? How would your next bet look like progression wise?
Hi Telunda,
Welcome. I use a loose +1/-1 progression. I am combing EC`s so it is not a case of an EC losing 3 times and another EC losing twice. It is a rolling system. Generally it will look like this: 2B (lose) 2l (Lose) 3R (Win) 3H (win) 2B (Lose) 2L (lose) 3R (win) You are moving bet units up and down. Sometimes you will be betting on 1 EC, other times 2 and others 3. I allocate how much to bet according to how much I am behind. eg. 1 unit. 3 opportunities come up together. I will bet 1 unit on each and adjust my total according to how much I win on those bets. I may be 3 units behind and 2 opportunities come up together: I will put 2 units on each so it is not strictly a +1/-1 progression.
Hope this gives you an idea of how it works. Sometimes I am playing 2 same to become 3: other times I am playing 3 same to become 4.
Good luck, Brian
Maybe I got confused with '.... not playing each EC separately.' Since I understand that we must play each upcoming EC trigger anyhow, I couldn't understand what exactly means 'not separatly' other than not having a separate progression ladder for each of the EC's.
You seem to combine the amounts of the next necessary progression step and divide it equally between the number of EC triggers you have to play? Is this how you set the amounts for the next step of the progression?
Maybe a real life example would be nice. Sorry for being so thick in my understanding of the system.
Had a go at this . Although boring, I played 5 sessions for a profit target of 10 units. Won each time so 50 units up. Will give it alot more testing. Highest stake was 8 units.
Hi Tekunda,
Yes, one bankroll. You are correct about splitting units over the number of qualifiers. I mainly play 3 becoming 4 as it is much easier to track and I play with a higher unit value so it probably works out winning same overall as 2 becoming 3 and less confusion, though less qualifiers.
Daft as it may seem and I do not know how to explain it, but I look at spin history to see if 3`s are becoming 4`s in the majority. If that is so, then I will play (though it can soon change) but with EC`s being a 50/50 outcome you should not get into much trouble anyway.
The reason for playing all qualifying EC`s on a rolling basis is to overcome: 2R 2R 2R 2R 2R etc. which we have all seen. What we want is : 2R 3L 2B 3O 2L 3E 3H etc. etc.
Good luck, Brian
Thanks Brian, I got it.
In my next post I will paste the Genesis model of playing the triggers. It differs a bit from the way you play. Maybe we will be able to incorporate some of the Genesis ideas, so we sort of would hopefully get the best of the two worlds.
Hey Brian,
Just tried it out for a test on Fairway.
Made some mistakes along the way but ended +5 in the end with Fun chips.
I like it. It's easy to track and easy to bet.
Will keep on testing it.
Hi SamNL,
Fun chips are not real money and playing for fun is not real roulette and you will get different results to playing for real. Learn NLE properly.
The good news is that it is a very sound way of playing.
Only play `live` dealer on-line or B & M casinos. Only play RNG at your own peril. It will draw you in then bite your hand off. I know.
Good luck.
Brian
Below follows the Genesis system. It differs from the NLE in such that it includes alternating series like red-black-red-black etc. and the way it handles long series.
The best would be to read through the system and see if including a few ideas mentioned here would improve on the NLE or not.
The Genesis System
To commence play, we first wait for either 3 repeating colours or 3 alternating colours - so we wait for RED/RED/RED or BLACK/BLACK/BLACK or RED/BLACK/RED/BLACK or BLACK/RED/BLACK/RED. As soon as one of these sequences occurs which could happen as soon as you sit down or could mean a 20 minute wait, our first betting series commences on the next spin. We bet on whatever the sequence is doing, so if 3 REDS have come up, we bet on RED - if a sequence of BLACK/RED/BLACK/RED has happened, then our first bet is on BLACK because the colours are alternating. The aim is win 1 chip (or if we don't win 1 chip, then to break-even) on each betting series. So our first bet is 1 chip. If this bet wins, we have made our target of 1 chip profit and that betting series is complete. A new series of betting starts on the very next spin, 1 chip again and following whatever the current results are doing - so if the colours are alternating and our last win came on BLACK, then the first bet of this new series is a 1 chip bet on RED. Should this bet lose, the betting series is not yet over because we haven't made at least 1 chip profit or brokeneven, but we do stop betting and wait until the next run of either 3 repeats or 3 alternates occurs. When this happens, we commence betting again on the next spin following whatever the colours are doing and we increase our bet to 2 chips. If this bet wins we make a 2 chip profit less the 1 chip loss from the previous bet to give an overall 1 chip profit, thereby completing another betting series. Had this 2 chip bet lost, the current betting series running total goes to -3 chips. Because we have just had a losing bet due to the colour sequence changing, again we stop betting and wait for another 3 repeats or alternates before placing a 3 chip bet on the next spin. Should this bet win we have recovered the running total of -3 and broken-even on the series, so the betting series stops. We accept that we haven't made a profit on that particular series and start a new one on the very next spin starting again with a 1 chip bet. Should the 3 chip bet lose taking the running total to -6, again stop betting, wait for another 3 repeats or alternates and place a 4 chip bet on the next spin (keep in mind that we NEVER increase the bet by more than 1 chip at a time - don't be tempted to Double-Up and try to recover losses and make a profit in one spin. Yes, many times it will come off, but it only takes one time for it not to and you will be in deep trouble). Once we have gone past the 3 chip bet without making a profit, we accept that we are not going to make a profit on this series and the aim becomes just to get the series to break-even and then to start a new one. If the 4 chip bet wins, the running total for the current betting series goes to -2. After a win, if the bet was 2 chips or more, then usually we reduce the bet by 1 chip for the next spin. However, as the 4 chip bet has won and the current deficit is -2, because we looking to break-even now, the bet for the next spin is 2 chips which provided it wins gives a break-even sequence. If this 2 chip bet had lost, going to -4, a waiting period would occur until 3 repeats or alternates again and then the next bet would be 3 chips (remember we always increase the bet by 1 chip after a loser - NEVER MORE). A 3 chip win would take the series back to -1 so a 1 chip winning bet on the next spin would give the break-even target we are looking for. This explanation of how to work the system may look complicated but it is very simple in practice and by looking at the workings of the 100 spin sessions and the explanations that follow you will soon master it. When you are playing for real, you will need to keep a record of your bets as you go along - the Casinos provide pens and cards for you to do so. Summary of the important points of the GENESIS SYSTEM:-If you are going to play with £5 chips, sit at the table with a minimum betting bank of £200 - 40 times whatever your 1 chip bet is going to be. Wait until a run of 3 repeating colours or 3 alternating colours before betting.Aim to make a 1 chip profit on each betting series or to break-even if the series goes beyond the 3 chip bet without making a profit. First bet is 1 chip, increasing by 1 after each loss, decreasing by 1 or more after each winning bet. Don't move from one table to another whilst in the middle of a betting series - only move once a series has been completed - if you move half way through a series because it is starting to go wrong - Murphys' Law will ensure that a winning run will start the moment you leave the table! HOW TO HANDLE THE "0" or "00" ====================American Roulette wheels have a 0 and a 00. European wheels have just a single 0. When a 0 or 00 is spun, obviously it is a losing bet for us if we have been betting on that spin. Also, if we are in a waiting period, it is also a loser and breaks whatever the sequence of colours is doing. A 0 or 00 stops everything and from the following spin onwards we again wait for 3 repeats or alternates before betting again. So say the sequence goes RED/RED/RED/0/RED, the 0 is a losing bet and we stop betting until 3 repeats or alternates occur again. A sequence of BLACK/RED/BLACK/RED/0/BLACK/RED /BLACK would mean we were betting on BLACK when the 0 came up as the three previous spins had alternated. The next 3 spins after the 0 alternated BLACK/RED/BLACK.This is just two alternates - BLACK to RED then RED to BLACK. If the next spin was a RED, then this would give the required 3 alternates and we would resume betting on the next spin. In the USA the 0 and the 00 and in most European countries, the single 0 clears the whole table, apart from any bets on 0 or 00 themselves. On British tables we have a slight advantage in that as well as there being only a single 0, whenever it comes up, any bet on the Even Money Chances is halved - ie. you get back half of your bet. So, if you are playing on a British table and you have had a bet when a 0 comes up, record as a complete losing bet but treat the returned half stake as a bonus. Play can be extremely slow if the table is busy, but in many cases, once you have the experience of working the GENESIS system you may find you can sit between two tables that are close together and work 2 tables at once bearing in mind that much of the time you will only be betting on one table while a waiting period is happening on the other. If you do run two tables at once, use a separate betting bank for each and obviously keep a separate set of records for each one. Although the instructions for working the system are to use RED + BLACK, it will work just as effectively using either ODD + EVEN or (1 - 18) + (19 - 36). You could work the system using 3 separate banks at the same table, but to do it you will need plenty of room to get your bets on easily and to be quick and accurate in keeping your records after each spin. Don't attempt this until you have plenty of experience working just one Bank at a time! Don't be disheartened when you have a losing session - IT WILL HAPPEN. You cannot expect to win every time but if you stick to the system rules, over several sessions you will come out on top. If you have been playing with £5 chips successfully and you are thinking of increasing your minimum stake, it is best to do so only after you have had several winning sessions and you are playing with the Casinos' money . Ideally finish each session with a completed betting series.
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 06, 04:48 PM 2017
Hi SamNL,
Fun chips are not real money and playing for fun is not real roulette and you will get different results to playing for real. Learn NLE properly.
The good news is that it is a very sound way of playing.
Only play `live` dealer on-line or B & M casinos. Only play RNG at your own peril. It will draw you in then bite your hand off. I know.
Good luck.
Brian
Hi Brian,
On Fairway you can use a Real wheel with a live dealer on exactly the same table as you would use with real money.
The spins are exactly the same for both real and fun money players.
No RNG involved in any of my testing.
I've been using Fairway for a long time to do real testing to see if a method has any merit to it.
Quote from: SamNL on Mar 07, 12:59 PM 2017I've been using Fairway for a long time to do real testing to see if a method has any merit to it.
Whats the time for a spin, something stupid like 30 seconds
Hi Tekunda,
Thanks for posting Genesis System. Your hands must be aching.
Yes it is very similar to NLE. I only play on-line and you have less than 30 seconds to work your bet and place it. Speedy Gonzales is a slow coach by comparison.
If you are in a B & M could you play as a team (2 players) opposing bets. Only a thought.
The way that I play NLE utilising all EC`s and playing 2 same to become 3 can be pretty hectic which is why I now prefer 3 same becoming 4. I also like +1/-1 progression which NLE lends itself to.
If you are intending to try out Genesis post your results here please. What progression, if any, are you going to use?
Good luck, Brian
Hi SamNL,
I did not know that. It sounds like you can test honestly. Great.
Brian
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 07, 01:47 PM 2017
Whats the time for a spin, something stupid like 30 seconds
It is 30 seconds
Thanks
Just did another test.
Another +5.
Quick start but after that a slow grind to +5.
So was the two to become three profitable ?
Hi Tekunda,
re: Genesis system.
I have read your post several times and think that this has great merit and is very soundly based. We all know that streaks and chops happen all the time. We all know that RFH`s are what stuff`s us, but I cannot see that happening with this plus my experience with NLE sort of confirms it.
Well obviously there is only one way to test this (well, two really - one for all members to test it + Mogul)
I gave it a 120 spin `live` dealer run and it did come out in front. Worst losing run was 4, but it did recover.
It was slow going but once you are up to speed on this I can well imagine you will be able to track quite a few sequences/series at same time and make it well worthwhile (and low risk)
I will deffo be playing this more. We all like low risk and no open ended progressions.
Your`e explanation of Genesis is first class and whilst it is obvious: do not run before you can walk, and play using casino`s money, this is sound advice that `us` experts seem to forget, and it is good to be reminded. (though `us`experts will probably ignore it thinking we know better) Go back to the invention of the wheel.
Cheers and good luck Tekunda,
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 08, 02:34 AM 2017
Hi Tekunda,
re: Genesis system.
I have read your post several times and think that this has great merit and is very soundly based. We all know that streaks and chops happen all the time. We all know that RFH`s are what stuff`s us, but I cannot see that happening with this plus my experience with NLE sort of confirms it.
Well obviously there is only one way to test this (well, two really - one for all members to test it + Mogul)
I gave it a 120 spin `live` dealer run and it did come out in front. Worst losing run was 4, but it did recover.
It was slow going but once you are up to speed on this I can well imagine you will be able to track quite a few sequences/series at same time and make it well worthwhile (and low risk)
I will deffo be playing this more. We all like low risk and no open ended progressions.
Your`e explanation of Genesis is first class and whilst it is obvious: do not run before you can walk, and play using casino`s money, this is sound advice that `us` experts seem to forget, and it is good to be reminded. (though `us`experts will probably ignore it thinking we know better) Go back to the invention of the wheel.
Cheers and good luck Tekunda,
Brian
Little interested in you test of the Genesis. Did you test it with only RED/BLACK or did you run with all the even chances?
I think the chop part develops the NLE mk2. The progression is similar to +1/-1 but the change is that you only aiming for break even.
What do you think about the bankroll? The same as NLE or?
- Tuddilue
I will do a few 'kitchen table' dry runs before testing the NLE life in our local casino (one of the biggest in Europe btw ) in Duisburg, Germany.
I plan to play two ECs at the same time, but will include the intermittences as well. I will also play the longer series as explained in the Genesis system.
I will use your staking plan, Brian, which means that the chances are not played separately.
I am looking forward to playing the slightly modified version of the NLE in our local, land-based casino and hope to give you my first updates sometime next week.
Quote from: Tekunda on Mar 08, 07:05 AM 2017
I will do a few 'kitchen table' dry runs before testing the NLE life in our local casino (one of the biggest in Europe btw ) in Duisburg, Germany.
I plan to play two ECs at the same time, but will include the intermittences as well. I will also play the longer series as explained in the Genesis system.
I will use your staking plan, Brian, which means that the chances are not played separately.
I am looking forward to playing the slightly modified version of the NLE in our local, land-based casino and hope to give you my first updates sometime next week.
That we are looking forward to!
Which 2 ECs has you choose?
- Tuddilue
What I am noticing, and have noticed is this.
When I grab one page or another of data, the data has a profile
that is generally consistent. Out of a trillion different ways of
outcome we can hone it down to 5 or 10 general ones, like we
try to do. Even for this method, one page
a) won't offer many opportunities.
b) Will most/all be 4+ runs.
c) just keep giving you doubles or 2's that become 3's.
So some games/sessions suck. But if you look at it this way,
then you can read the table and follow what it is doing at that
moment in time. Not get in if it is bad.
The is a bad thing, but a good observation, because if you
look for it, it will give the consistency needed to win.
The following is just an example and not the exact reason for this
posting. But.....
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.0
If you look at this method of finding certain patterns, these
patterns will emerge (or many others) at a certain time. And these
"systems", which will not work all the time, "work" during these times
when the tables are favorable. So all these systems are geared to
filtering out what is happening on a table to qualify the table and
at-the-moment session, which seems to repeat for that moment.
Quote from: tuddilue on Mar 08, 07:25 AM 2017
That we are looking forward to!
Which 2 ECs has you choose?
- Tuddilue
I have chosen red and black and high and low.
Brian, I am already running into a problem with my staking plan. On hi/low my count was - 16 with my next bet at 8 units and at the same time I had to place my first unit on red. (the session started with multiple triggers on hi/low while none occurred on the second EC.)
Then after around the seventh hi/low trigger, red STARTED to come up with its first trigger. With a separate count for both of the ECs, I would stake 8 units on hi and one unit on red.
But what would you suggest if playing your way? BTW, the running total was - 16 for both ECs, - 16 for hi and +/- 0 for Red. So according to the staking rules I would have to stake 9 units.
How would you divide the 9 units between the two ECs?
Hi Mogul,
How I agree with what you said in your last post. I have mentioned a couple of times that I look over the spin history to see what is happening. I do not know how it happens but sometimes you will see long chains other times it will be mainly chops. It can not be down to DS because dealers have little control over exactly where the ball will land. Why do these trends occur and continue on. I have seen sessions where 2 out 3 spins were blacks for up to a hundred spins.
Brian
Quote from: mogul397 on Mar 08, 08:40 AM 2017
What I am noticing, and have noticed is this.
When I grab one page or another of data, the data has a profile
that is generally consistent. Out of a trillion different ways of
outcome we can hone it down to 5 or 10 general ones, like we
try to do. Even for this method, one page
a) won't offer many opportunities.
b) Will most/all be 4+ runs.
c) just keep giving you doubles or 2's that become 3's.
So some games/sessions suck. But if you look at it this way,
then you can read the table and follow what it is doing at that
moment in time. Not get in if it is bad.
The is a bad thing, but a good observation, because if you
look for it, it will give the consistency needed to win.
The following is just an example and not the exact reason for this
posting. But.....
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.0
If you look at this method of finding certain patterns, these
patterns will emerge (or many others) at a certain time. And these
"systems", which will not work all the time, "work" during these times
when the tables are favorable. So all these systems are geared to
filtering out what is happening on a table to qualify the table and
at-the-moment session, which seems to repeat for that moment.
Mogul,
Since you referred to that double dozen method that you provided a link to, please note that the author was proposing to increase his bets in the manner 1 1; 2 2; 3 3; 4 4; 5 5; 6 6; etc., etc., until he attained a +1 profit for the series.
In one of his posts, the author did mention that he was playing with
a unit size of a quarter.Do you have access to a roulette wheel or air ball machine that has a minimum betting unit of only
a quarter?Most of us don't. Most of us face minimum betting amounts of $5 or $10.
Let's say you are at the betting stage of 9 9 in the proposed progression. At a $5 minimum table that would amount to placing $45 on each dozen for a total of $90 bet for the next spin.
If it is a $10 table, then that amounts to $90 on each dozen for a total of $180 on the next spin.
Are you ready to do that? Most of us are probably not comfortable with doing that.
Therein lies the problem of progressions like the one proposed. Once you hit a losing streak, your actual betting amounts start spinning out of control in real dollar terms.
Hi just wondering about the bet selection process for this method ....
Well mark one method where u are hoping two of the same becomes three....say if
Red 3 comes up
Red 7
What do you bet on the even chances?
I mean in this case you could bet
A) RED
B) ODD
C) .1 -18
WHICH WOULD YOU BET ????
All three.
Brian
Hi Tekunda,
Not sure what exactly you are playing? Is it strictly NLE? Units bet should always be the same. eg: 2 on B then 2 on L/ 4 on R then 4 on H if they are the qualifiers at the same time for example. If you need to bet 5 units and 2 qualifiers come up then bet either 2 or 3 on each.
You will note that I said play all 3 EC`s to give variance. You do not appear to be doing that. That is why I mainly like 3 becoming 4 as tracking 2 to become 3 is hard and can become confusing.
Cheers,
Brian
Good doctor,
I'm on the same page with you about what you said in reply #51.
I did not jump to analyze the betting progression too deep. I seem
to start with the flat bet scenario and usually work from there.
I will say one funny thing that I notice about GLC is he's all over the
place with his penny bets and such. There is a piece of that that
effects how you need to look at his posts and methods.
I also had looked and considered how the method would be and look
for betting the missing dozen. 2-1.
But my main point, as bleep agreed with, is that tables seem to run in
certain trends for a time. Identifying them or putting them in a box can
be difficult. And what triggers are used for as entry marks if finding
specific ones to hopefully identify some pattern. Acceptance and belief
in such patterns, I think, could be a mature way of accepting the
reasoning of why we do what we do and why it does or doesn't work.
As Bleep correctly mentioned, he doesn't understand why. Neither do I.
But after decades of hearing the reasoning of this thought and approach
fro Mr C craps business program and the "movie test", maybe I finally
have come of age (at 60) and understand what he meant.
Some table are "two don't". Others are "3 don't". You watch the movie and
see if you like it and want to stay. Roulette has an advantage over craps
cause of the marquis....
BTW, Doctor, I have the same issue as you mention with NLE.
Not knowing how far I have to go to get a winner.
It is interesting to sit and wait for triggers, but another one is playing
the "same as last turn". If last was a repeat, bet for a repeat, and
if a chop, bet for a chop. That does the same job.
Hi all,
At the end of the day it is all down to luck and as I have said ( jokingly) you might as well roll a dice to get your choice and will probably do just as well, but we just feel superior using a system/method.
Brian
PS: We should not get with NLE 2R 2B 2L 2E 2L 2H 2O (Well not very often!!)
Hi Mogul,
Good idea that. It means that we should catch the table trend. (I know that you like/believe in trends) I will try and remember to put it into practice.
Brian
Hi just wondering about the bet selection process for this method ....
Well mark one method where u are hoping two of the same becomes three....say if
Red 3 comes up
Red 7
What do you bet on the even chances?
I mean in this case you could bet
A) RED
B) ODD
C) .1 -18
WHICH WOULD YOU BET ????
Thank you bleep
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 08, 03:17 PM 2017
Hi Tekunda,
Not sure what exactly you are playing? Is it strictly NLE? Units bet should always be the same. eg: 2 on B then 2 on L/ 4 on R then 4 on H if they are the qualifiers at the same time for example. If you need to bet 5 units and 2 qualifiers come up then bet either 2 or 3 on each.
You will note that I said play all 3 EC`s to give variance. You do not appear to be doing that. That is why I mainly like 3 becoming 4 as tracking 2 to become 3 is hard and can become confusing.
Cheers,
Brian
Brian, I am playing two ECs instead of three. That is until I have enough practice to play all three ECs.
My problem is that often the ECs don't qualify at the same time.
During my first session one EC was qualifying 7 times in a row, (and lost every time so the unit count went up) 3 while the other EC didn't qualify at all. So I ended up at minus 16 with the one EC and the next bet would have been an 8 unit bet. Now the second EC suddenly qualified for the very first time. So I have a bet of 8 units for one chance and one of 1 unit for the second chance (had I treated the ECs separately). But since we do not go this route (keeping a separate account for each EC), I need to divide the 8 unit bet and the 1 unit bet between the two ECs. Would you recommend to just divide the two bets between the two ECs like 4 units and 4 units?
If there is not such a huge difference in qualifying e. g. 3 units one EC and 4 units the second EC it is rather simple. But in my case we have a 1 unit qualifier and a second 8 unit qualifier. So I could go 3 units for the chance which qualified for the first time and 5 units for the chance which kept qualifying but also kept loosing?
So in other words if the 2 ECs keep qualifying more or less simultaneously it is not too difficult to divide the necessary units. But what would you recommend when like in my case one chance lags behind 8 times. Then I end up with two bets with a huge difference in units, which I need somehow to resolve between the 2 ECs I was betting on.
Hey bleep
What money management / staking system did u employ for the nle mk 1
Big money
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 08, 03:42 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Good idea that. It means that we should catch the table trend. (I know that you like/believe in trends) I will try and remember to put it into practice.
Brian
And you agreed with the premise.
Hi Big Money,
+1/-1 Roughly, because when 2 or 3 opps. come up at same time you cannot follow this strictly so I use a loose rolling progression as you only have one bank. I calculate where I am and work out number of units to stake and how many opps. at same time there are, and depending on result of that spin work it out again for next spin.
You do not have to be precise. For example: if I need to bet 5 units and 2 opps. come up then I will bet 3 units on each. You can of course just bet one of those opps. and adjust your units accoprdingly.
As you can see, it can become a bit hectic which is why I have now switched in the main to betting 3 same to become 4.
Good luck,
Brian
Hi brian
Thank tou for that ...how many units do u recommend to have in a bank ?
Hi Big Money,
100 units will be sufficient.
Brian
Hi bleep will backtest this and do the money management .....woth it cheers matey
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 08, 11:56 PM 2017
+1/-1 Roughly, because when 2 or 3 opps. come up at same time you cannot follow this strictly so I use a loose rolling progression as you only have one bank. I calculate where I am and work out number of units to stake and how many opps. at same time there are, and depending on result of that spin work it out again for next spin.
Nice one bleep... It worked like a cake last night at the casino.
Mogul - Is there any trick that we could adopt for the three scenarios that you are talking about. Hoping to see the marquee and then decide what to play in that session, has it helped. Will try adopting the same.
Some sessions will lose based on my backtesting ...im still tjinking falklor gonna deliver on his reaearch
Some sessions will lose based on my backtesting ...im still tjinking falklor gonna deliver on his reaearch
Priyanka posts .... the person that has been coached ...in cycles of e/c s ... but gives hints and wont reveal all ? ....BIG MONEY ..
..SMILING
Hi Big Money,
Surprised that you came across losing sessions. Were you using all 3 EC`s? Only times that I have ever lost is when I was in middle of a progression and had to stop playing.
Yes you can see a single EC stay at 2 same for quite a few spins and that is why we are playing all 3 EC`s to get around this. If one EC is sticking at 2 same then the other 2 EC`s will be going to 3`s to counteract.
Cheers,
Brian
BTW. In a previous post I mentioned mainly now playing 3 same to become 4. Easier to track but less qualifiers.
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 09, 04:35 AM 2017. It worked like a cake last night at the casino.
Which casino group was that Pri, if it's Aspers group you was lucky
Hi Brian, although you haven't addressed my last post, from your answer to big money I was able to deduct your staking plan.
It is not a precise way of staking like you would if playing all ECs simultaneously and separatly. You look at the whole picture, how many units you have won or lost and decide accordingly. I think I got it now.
And what about playing the intermittencies?
This is another 'chance' which could be included.
Also, if you like, please read up again on the way the Genesis system handles a long series of a certain chance. After winning (when a 3 turns to four) and then let the series run its course without betting again on that series, the Genesis way bets again immediately with one unit hoping that the 4 will turn into a 5 of the same and if won bets again for 6 to become 7 (and you keep on betting) until eventually the series breaks.
So what do you think guys about handling a long series within a certain EC the Genesis way?
Could it give us an advantage to play this way instead of betting e. g. on a series of eight reds just one single time (and instead of betting again right away on that particular opportunity) wait for the next qualifier?
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 09, 06:21 AM 2017Which casino group was that Pri, if it's Aspers group you was lucky
:) being lucky is part of the game right.
It is hippodrome
I can vouch for this method. I made a spreadsheet last year with this one and nle. Nick helped me make it. It does really good in backtesting.
Having a set amount of spins also helps and/or having a cut off(units won or loss)
Very good system overall.
Hi Bleep, with the +1 /-1 when you get to a new high and say you are betting 3 units, would you reset to 1 unit or continue? Would you take into account the W/ L ratio?
Hi Shazwad,
Yes 9 times out of 10 I would reset. It is better no matter which system/method/progression to be betting lowest possible units in case there is a losing run lurking around the corner.
You do not have time to think about W/L and which EC you think is going to come next. Go with the flow.
Good luck,
Brian
BTW. I have mentioned that I now mainly play 3 same to become 4 as it is easier to track than 2 same to become 3. With 3 to 4 there are usually less qualifiers, so if it is slow going I throw in a couple of 2 to 3 to liven things up a bit but still only have one bankroll.
Thanks Bleep. I don't have an issue with the number of qualifiers playing 3 to become 4. I'm playing William Hill live wheels and they come pretty often. Sometimes I will stay with whatever unit value I'm on (even if on a new high) if I've had more losers than winners. If the other way round I would reset knowing some losers are now expected - being a 50/50 bet.
Hi Shazwad,
Good strategy. I also play on Wm. Hill `live`
Brian
Hi Bleep,
So far I have managed to double my 100 quid bank. if I get two triggers I bet them both . For example if I am on 3 units progression I would put 3 units on the two triggers, total stake 6 units. A lot of the time this breaks even so I would now go aggressive and my next bet would be 4 units. If I lost both at 3 units my next bet would be 6 ( I was on 3 units, then the two bets that lost are effectively 4 unit and 5 unit bets).
This is all very interesting, I think because of the progression we are using. I'm very interested to see how this pans out.
How long have you playing this 3 to become 4?
Bleep have you tried this on multi player, which we are to believe are recorded live spins, if can win on there, then you have a good method
nothing strange...in 30 spins probability to get run of 4 on EC is 60%
Quote from: Tekunda on Mar 09, 07:22 AM 2017
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Also, if you like, please read up again on the way the Genesis system handles a long series of a certain chance. After winning (when a 3 turns to four) and then let the series run its course without betting again on that series, the Genesis way bets again immediately with one unit hoping that the 4 will turn into a 5 of the same and if won bets again for 6 to become 7 (and you keep on betting) until eventually the series breaks.
So what do you think guys about handling a long series within a certain EC the Genesis way?
Tekunda,
I do NOT think the Genesis system says that we should keep betting until the series breaks.
I read the Genesis system line by line that you posted here on page 3 of this thread:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18237.msg173827#msg173827
The author of the Genesis system clearly says:
The aim is win 1 chip (or if we don't win 1 chip, then to break-even) on each betting series. So our first bet is 1 chip. If this bet wins, we have made our target of 1 chip profit and that betting series is complete. I think you misread or misunderstood the Genesis system regarding when to stop betting on a series.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 10, 06:34 PM 2017
Tekunda,
I do NOT think the Genesis system says that we should keep betting until the series breaks.
I read the Genesis system line by line that you posted here on page 3 of this thread:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18237.msg173827#msg173827
The author of the Genesis system clearly says:
The aim is win 1 chip (or if we don't win 1 chip, then to break-even) on each betting series. So our first bet is 1 chip. If this bet wins, we have made our target of 1 chip profit and that betting series is complete.
I think you misread or misunderstood the Genesis system regarding when to stop betting on a series.
But you have overlooked to read the very next sentence which clearly states what I have tried to explain:
'A new series of betting starts on the very next spin, 1 chip again and following whatever the current results are doing - so if the colours are alternating and our last win came on BLACK, then the first bet of this new series is a 1 chip bet on RED'.
Hi Notto,
No, I have not tried NLE on multi=player. Keeping track/betting is hard enough to start with.
Hi Shazwad,
Been playing NLE 1 seems like about 18 months. NLE 2 seems like about 3/4 months. Time flies when you are having fun!!!!
Yes I also play different stakes. I have mentioned a rolling amount. I did not post much about this as I get enough questions without complicating instructions as it is, especially if it is betting more than one qualifier at same time.
Yes, I am still playing NLE though I do flirt with other systems/methods as well. At present I am into EC matrixes.
Good luck, Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 11, 03:19 AM 2017EC matrixes
EC matrixes sounds interesting. Does you have some interesting links?
- Tuddilue
Hi Tuddilue,
No, just same old, same old. Profit Trickler on this forum very recently pretty much covered it so I have just used the best bits from that.
Brian
Hi all,
Before anyone says anything, no I am not connected in any way whatsoever with Betway Casino. The reason for my post is that I am using Betway a lot and they have a new `live` speed table. Bets start at 50p. It is twice speed of other `live` tables so is no good for people who wish to place bets left, right and centre, but for basic EC`s I am finding it great. They also have other tables starting at 10p/20p and with La Partage (auto wheel - not sure about honesty of these but I often see more than 800 players at a time on them so I cannot see how they could fiddle them!!!)
I am still finding NLE to be my most consistent system. It does not need a massive BR unlike some others. I am doing a `stunted` (I said stunted)
Marty: 1 2 4 then +1/-1 and it is working. Wondering whether I should keep on betting after 3 same have become 4 as there are some long chains around. Think I will watch this a bit more, but am tempted.
Good luck all, Brian
where did you see 800 players ...online you only see what they let you see...dont ever forget that
Hi, It tells you for each tables how many players there are. Varies from 1 to ------------. Just looked now. £1 table has 800 players whereas one of the other tables has 1 player.
Brian
Just a quick update as I know members like to hear about ongoing results etc. rather than being left `up in the air` so to speak. Well, all I can say is NLE mk2 is going spectacularly well. Wished I had started it 20 years ago!! So easy to play and 1 bet at a time. Win/lose move to next qualifier so no great long progs. waiting for something to hit. This is where RFH`s bugger you up.
Good luck,
Brian
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Hi Bleep well good luck to you and hope it continues. I played this for a while but the inevitable run from hell came and my bets were up to 20 units before I finished. Was good while it lasted though!!
Hi Brian, have you thought about including the intermittencies of the ECs?
Hi Shazwad,
Bad luck there. It has never happened to me. Where and what were you playing. Was it 2 to become 3? I have found 3 to become 4 much more stable. I now find it rare for it to go past 4 losses before turning and I am now using 1 2 4 then +1/-1 and it is working a treat.
Hi Tekunda,
Not sure what you mean. Can you explain more fully please?
Good luck, Brian
If at first you don`t succeed, perhaps sky-diving is not right for you.
Hi Bleep. I was playing 3 to become r on WH live +1/-1.
Hi Brian, we can wait for 3 reds to become four reds, but we could also play the intermittencies of said EC:
red, black, red, black, and now we could hope for another red. Basically we bet on the zig-zag pattern.
Hi Shazwad,
Were you playing ALL EC`s that qualified (3 sames)? R/B H/L O/E
Brian
Hi Telunda,
With you now. Yes. RB chopping. Genesis method on forum very recently covered this. I will have a look over past spins and see how it looks. Could get a bit complicated if covering all EC`s and waiting for 3`s at same time.
Brian
Sorry,
Tekunda. Doh!!!!
Brian
Brian, one more question. Since you have made a change to the progression, may I have a ask if now you keep the progression separated for each EC or if you still combine the progressions when two or more EC bets come up at the same time?
Before you started with the three step Martingale you said that it depends more on the loss ratio how you divide the bets if several chances come up at the same time.
Hi Tekunda,
No, still using one BR. It would be I feel too complex to be tracking and using separate BR`s for each EC. That is only the way that I see it. You may feel differently.
I have looked at the `chops` for this and as you would expect they win about 50%. Chains (2 3 4 or more ) comprise 75% of spins so I noticed when a chop occurred a 4 chain also happened at the same time.
Chops/chains seem like a good idea. I will keep a watch on it.
Brian
Yes Bleep, playing multiple triggers if they came up, sometimes two sometimes all three. Keep going!!
Hi Shazwad,
Did you use a separate BR for each one of the ECs or did you use a single BR?
I just used one bankroll
Hi all,
I am still playing NLE mk2 with success. I am playing mainly on Betway casino and mainly on one `live` wheel. There is a recent thread on this forum about honesty of casinos and even throwing doubt on `live` wheels. I must say that I have my suspicions as when I first started playing 3 same to become 4, 4`s were predominant, whereas now it has switched to 3`s. Obviously casinos cannot stop EC`s coming out for instance, but they could manipulate them. There are usually very many players so they cannot make everyone lose, but could adjust depending where and how much money is placed. I am now moving to a different table. Two players on same table but logged on to casino with different ISP addresses could probably cause a bit havoc
On a slightly related topic, It is known that gambling businesses (not just the casino part) are illegally installing spyware, but claim that in the T&C`s they can do this to monitor activity to prevent fraud. Look up iesnare. It maybe on your device. I found it on mine searching in files.
Brian
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 22, 12:29 PM 2017
Hi all,
It is known that gambling businesses (not just the casino part) are illegally installing spyware, but claim that in the T&C`s they can do this to monitor activity to prevent fraud. Look up iesnare. It maybe on your device. I found it on mine searching in files.
Brian
Brian,
Interesting. Thanks for the heads-up about the spyware being installed surreptitiously on our devices.
I think the only trustworthy online casinos are the ones which have a life table with real guests like the Dragonara and not the ones with just a girl throwing a ball every ten seconds without life players.
Those setups could easily use CGI when the camera zooms in on the ball for the last few seconds. This could be pre-rendered scenes which a computer could use to determine a certain winning number.
Bleep 24,
Since I plan to start with the NLE mk2 in a live casino soon I have another question regarding the way you apply the progression.
I understand that you don't follow the - 1/+1 strictly so let us say that you had a few loosing coups and your total stands at - 20.
Now just one of the ECs comes up. What would you wager? Divide the minus 20 by three and wager 7 units? Or risk a bit more, maybe 10?
Or would you try to erase the total minus with one coup, if only one EC comes up for wager.
I think how to apply the progression is very important if you play all the ECs together and since you cannot do it in a strict manner, because sometimes you will play just one chance and another time you will play two or even three ECs at the same time and need to adjust your wager accordingly.
So I hope to develop a battle plan how much to wager each time before I play with real money.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 22, 04:24 PM 2017
Brian,
Interesting. Thanks for the heads-up about the spyware being installed surreptitiously on our devices.
Do you think steve has spyware on multi-player
hI Tekunda.
I would not try to recover 20 units on one spin. Spread it out: 5/6 or 7. I have never reached 20 units. My highest is about 10 and that is not often.
Good luck,
Brian
hi bleep,
thanks for coming back to me so quickly. I think I am more or less set to go. Since you must have tons of experience, what would be a realistic profit goal per session.
I have read that 10 units is about the average profit. Would you agree?
Hi Tekunda,
!0 units is about right. As is normal it depends on run of the spins and when player decides to pack in. I have won 10 units in 10 minutes, other times it could be an hour before you reach your target.
Good luck,
Brian
Tekunda
How does it go on live wheel, Still playing Bleep