This my streets system as shown elsewhere
Four sets of streets
Gr A 1-3,13-15,25-27
Gr B 4-6,16-18,28-30
Gr C 7-9,19-21,31-33
Gr D 10-12,22-24,34-36
I play aggressively 1-2-3-5-8 etc...up on L down on W...back to back wins reset.
The sample of spins below were posted by Mortagon from Dublinbet yesterday .
15 A
13A
25 A
3 A
Waiting for different streets
6 B
20 C
Start against B + C
21 C -6
12 D +12
21 C -6
10 D -12
27 A +18 once won re-track
12 D
20 C +12.
4 B
13 A +6
18 B
23 D +6
9 C
27 A +6
17 B
27 A -6
10 D +12
12 D -6
33 C +12
1 A +6
14 leave already won
31 C
3 A -6
29 B +12
11 D +6
19 C
4 B +6
11 D
7 C +6
34 D
24 D -6
6 B +12
10 D -6
36 D -12
Wait till two different
7 C
25 A
35 D +18
1 A
31 C +12
15 A
34 D +6
30 B
17 B -6
6 B -12
Wait
3 A
33 C
18 B +18
34 D
16 B -12
1 A +18
19 C +12 start again
21 C need two different
26 A
26 A -6
24 D +12
Total....-102..+228 = + 126
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again aggressive play
29 B
6 B
5 B
23 D
4 B -6
36 D -12
25 A +18
23 D
18 B +12
6 B
2 A +12
20 C
24 D +6
19 C
25 A +6
33 C
26 A -6
27 A -12
23 D
34 D
15 A
7 C +18
26 A
0 -12
24 D +18
33 C
21 C
34 D
18 B +12
18 B
21 C
24 D +6
28 B
27 A +6
7 C
3 A -6
25 A -12
25 A
0
30 B
10 D +18
0
23 D
10 D
10 D
11 D
15 A
25 A -12
5 B +18
0 -12
19 C +18
17 B
34 D
9 C +12
22 D
28 B +6
14 A
4 B -6
25 A-12
15 A -18
17 B -30
14 A -48
11 D +76
9 C +48
13 A
19 C-6
15 A -12
32 C-18
30 B +30
22 D + 18
14 A
28 B +6
14 A
5 B -6
23 D +12
10 D -6
1 A +12
5 B +6
12 D
32 C +6
13 A
6 B +6
2 A
4 B-6
19 C +12
34 D +6
24 D
36 D
19 C
20 C -6
11 D -12
5 B +18
17 C
0 -12
14 A +18
27 A
9 C
13 A -12
29 B +18
15 A -12
18 B -18
35 D +30
24 D
20 C
19 C
0
14 A
9 C
15 -18
21 C -30
35 D +48
7 C
32 C -30
19 C -48
15 A
0
20 C
5 B +76
8 C
32 C -48
11 D +76
29 B +48
12 D
8 C +6
29 B
3 A +6
5 B
31 C +6
8 C
21 C
36 D
28 B +6
13 A
1 A -6
25 A -12
14 A
34 D
21 C +18
13 A
33 C -12
26 A -18
5 B + 30
26 A
22 D +18
14 A
24 D -6
22 D -12
13 A
2 A
35 D
11 D-18
33 C +30
36 D -18
32 C -30
35 D -48
26 A +76
21 C +48
34 D
30 C -6
9 C -12
24 D
7 C
10 D -18
26 A +30
24 D-18
10 D -30
31 C +48
6 B
26 A +30
1 A
6 B
32 C +6
8 C
9 C
24 D
8 C-6
24 D -12
11 D -18
14 A +30
= -810 + 1168 ======+358
It is complicated for ordinary forum members, do you have one system for everyone? Because hg is closer to simple bet then complicated bets.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Nov 25, 12:09 PM 2016
It is complicated for ordinary forum members, do you have one system for everyone? Because hg is closer to simple bet then complicated bets.
Hi
It might look complicated,but honestly it's not , when I do my next test I'll go through it step by step, if I can do it everyone can
Hey RD,
I assume this is a hit and run strategy (hence the "leave" on your charts).
How many total spins have you tested this on so far?
Very interesting method - Thanks! :thumbsup:
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Nov 25, 12:09 PM 2016
It is complicated for ordinary forum members, do you have one system for everyone? Because hg is closer to simple bet then complicated bets.
Personally I think this is much simpler than many bet selections you come across and if HG isn't found yet, how could you say it would be a simple bet ;)
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 25, 05:22 PM 2016
Hey RD,
I assume this is a hit and run strategy (hence the "leave" on your charts).
How many total spins have you tested this on so far?
Very interesting method - Thanks! :thumbsup:
Hi
No this is not a hit and run strategy,though you could if you wish ,I would tend to play until I've won a % of my BR .
I have tested on about 2000 spins in sessions of maybe 200 spins ,always in good profit.
The leave you refer to is
1. After winning on first bet
2.waiting for Two different street sets.
Will post more results later
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Nov 25, 08:03 AM 2016
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again aggressive play
29 B
6 B
5 B
23 D
4 B -6
36 D -12
25 A +18
23 D
18 B +12 here have you dropped one level after a win and then waited for back to back wins? Because your next win also days +12
6 B
2 A +12
20 C
24 D +6
19 C
25 A +6
33 C
26 A -6
27 A -12
23 D
34 D
15 A
7 C +18
26 A
0 -12
24 D +18
33 C
21 C
34 D
18 B +12
18 B
21 C
24 D +6
28 B
27 A +6
7 C
3 A -6
25 A -12
25 A
0
30 B
10 D +18
0
23 D
10 D
10 D
11 D
15 A
25 A -12
5 B +18
0 -12
19 C +18
17 B
34 D
9 C +12
22 D
28 B +6
14 A
4 B -6
25 A-12
15 A -18
17 B -30
14 A -48
11 D +76 / how much are you betting here per street because if it's 13 on each of the six stree s then the win should give +78
9 C +48
13 A
19 C-6
15 A -12
32 C-18
30 B +30
22 D + 18
14 A
28 B +6
14 A
5 B -6
23 D +12
10 D -6
1 A +12
5 B +6
12 D
32 C +6
13 A
6 B +6
2 A
4 B-6
19 C +12
34 D +6
24 D
36 D
19 C
20 C -6
11 D -12
5 B +18
17 C
0 -12
14 A +18
27 A
9 C
13 A -12
29 B +18
15 A -12
18 B -18
35 D +30
24 D
20 C
19 C
0
14 A
9 C
15 -18
21 C -30
35 D +48
7 C
32 C -30
19 C -48
15 A
0
20 C
5 B +76
8 C
32 C -48
11 D +76
29 B +48
12 D
8 C +6
29 B
3 A +6
5 B
31 C +6
8 C
21 C
36 D
28 B +6
13 A
1 A -6
25 A -12
14 A
34 D
21 C +18
13 A
33 C -12
26 A -18
5 B + 30
26 A
22 D +18
14 A
24 D -6
22 D -12
13 A
2 A
35 D
11 D-18
33 C +30
36 D -18
32 C -30
35 D -48
26 A +76
21 C +48
34 D
30 C -6
9 C -12
24 D
7 C
10 D -18
26 A +30
24 D-18
10 D -30
31 C +48
6 B
26 A +30
1 A
6 B
32 C +6
8 C
9 C
24 D
8 C-6
24 D -12
11 D -18
14 A +30
= -810 + 1168 ======+358
Interesting system, pls clarify my questions in red above
Quote from: Willie on Nov 26, 02:19 AM 2016
Interesting system, pls clarify my questions in red above
Hey allow me a couple of mistakes, been a long day, :yawn: somehow I had the figure +76 in my head but yes it is +78 .......better still
However still a winner
Will post more testing later
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Results
Starting BR 1000
END BR 1258
Another positive test.....more to come
10 d BR 1000
31 c
27 a +6 1006
14 a
34 d
32 c +6 1012
1 a
6 b +6 1018
32 c
14 a +6 1024
31 c
23 d +6 1030
24 d
34 d
5 b
14 a +6 1036
14 a
30 b
0 -6 1030
12 d +12 1042
30 b
1 a
3 a -6 1036
3 a -12 1024
21 c
7 c
2 a
11 d +18 1042
13 a
2 a -12 1030
21 c +18 1048
26 a -12 1036
36 d +18 1054
19 c +12 1066
1 a
35 d +6 1072
31 c
19 c -6 1066
3 a +12 1078
23 d +6 1084
28 b
18 b -6 1078
9 c +12 1090
32 c -6 1084
10 d +12 1096
7 c -6 1090
32 c -12 1078
9 c
23 d
0 -18 1060
1 a +30 1090
9 c
25 a
3 a -18 1072
16 b +30 1102
34 d +18 1120
8 c
33 c -6 1114
19 c -12 1102
29 b
20 c
10 d +18 1120
30 b
15 a +12 1132
4 b
30 b -6 1126
12 d +12 1138
1 a +6 1144
1 a
17 b
15 a -6 1138
15 -12 1126
3 a
28 b
8 c +18 1144
7 c
26 a
6 b +12 1156
35 d
31 c +6 1162
2 a
4 b +6 1168
16 b
28 b
35 d
23 d -6 1162
13 a +12 1174
33 c +6 1180
9 c
1 a
27 a -6 1174
32 c +12 1186
30 b +6 1192
3 a
30 b -6 1186
8 c +12 1198
2 a +6 1204
7 c
30 b +6 1210
33 c
5 b -6 1204
35 d +12 1216
28 b -6 1210
33 c +12 1222
11 d +6 1228
31 c
17 b +6 1234
24 d
5 b -6 1228
19 c +12 1240
24 d +6 1246
17 b
35 d -6 1240
3 a +12 1252
23 d -6 1246
6 b +12 1258
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10 D
31 C
27 A +6. 1006
14 A
34 D
32 C +6. 1012
1 A
6 B +6. 1018
32 C
14 A.+6 1024
31 C
23 D. +6. 1030
24 D
34 D
5 B
14 A. +6. 1036
14 A
30 B
0 -6. 1030
12 D +12. 1042
30 B +6. 1048
1. A
3 A. -6. 1042
3 A. -12. 1036
21 C
7 C
2 A
11 D
13 A -18. 1018
2 A -30. 988
21 C
26 A
36 D. +48. 1036
19 C
1 A. +30. 1076
35 D
31 C. +6. 1082
19 C
3 A
23 D
28 B. +6. 1088
18 B
9 C
32 C
10 D
7 C -6. 1082
32 C -12. 1070
9 C.
23 D
0 -18. 1052
1 A +30. 1082
9 C
25 A
3 A -18. 1064
16 B. +30. 1094
34 D.+12. 1106
8 C
33 C -6. 1100
19 C -12. 1088
29 B
20 C
10 D. +18. 1106
30 C
15 A +12. 1118
4 B
30 B -6. 1112
12 D +12. 1124
1 A -6. 1118
1 A -12. 1106
17 B
15 A
15 A -18. 1088
3 A -30. 1058
28 B
8 C
7 C -48. 1010
26 A +78. 1088
6 B +48. 1136
35 D
31 C +6. 1142
2 A
4 B. +6. 1148
16 B
28 B
35 D
23 D. -6. 1142
13 A +12. 1154
33 C. +6. 1160
9 C
1 A
27 A -6. 1154
32 C -12. 1142
30 B +18. 1160
3 A
30 B. -12. 1148
8 C +18. 1166
2 A. +12. 1178
7 C
30 B +6. 1184
33 C
5 B. -6. 1178
35 D. +12. 1190
28 B -6. 1184
33 C +12. 1196
11 D. +6. 1202
31 C
17 B +6. 1208
24 D
5 B -6 1202
19 C +12. 1214
24 D. +6. 1220
17 B
35 D -6. 1214
3 A +12. 1226
23 D -6. 1220
6 B +12. 1232
24 D -6. 1226
36 D -12. 1214
31 C
5 B
13 A. +18. 1232
33 C
6 B +12. 1244
6 B
7 C
2 A +6. 1250
13 A
11 D
10 D -6. 1244
34 D -12. 1232
1 A +18. 1250
11 D
27 B +12. 1262
13 A
14 A. -6. 1256
23 D +12. 1268
9 C +6. 1274
32 C
28 B
15 A
5 A. -6. 1268
36 D +12. 1280
34 D -6. 1274
6 B +12. 1286
22 D -6. 1280
26 A +12. 1292
6 B +6. 1298
6 B
34 D
31 C
6 B. +6. 1304
14 A
6 B -6. 1298
18 B -12. 1286
19 C
9 C
13 A
3 A
30 B
3 A
10 D +18. 1304
14 A
26 A -12. 1292
29 B +18. 1310
12 D.+12 1322
23 D
35 D -6. 1316
14 A +12. 1328
3 A -6. 1322
22 D -12. 1310
29 B +28. 1328
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Again using today's spins from Mortagon
I'd always play to reach my 10% of BR
But I've done all spins to show what would have happened.
BR 1000
7 C
25 A
12 D +6. 1006
6 B
34 D -6. 1000
8 C +12. 1012
26 A +6. 1018
27 A
31 C
21 C -6. 1012
0 -12. 1000
25 A
12 D
11 D. -18. 982
23 D -30. 952
15 A
7 C
18 B +48. 1000
27 A
31 C +30. 1030
23 D
31 C -6. 1024
25 A +12. 1036
11 D +6. 1042
32 C
24 D ,-6. 1036
35 D -12. 1024
13 A
28 B
36 D +18. 1042
33 D
4 B
24 D -12. 1030
10 D -18. 1012
27 A
4 B
0 -30 982
32 C. +48. 1030
33 C
3 A
30 B +30. 1060
16 B
8 C
7 C. -6. 1054
33 C. -12 1042
7 C
11 D
30 B. +18. 1060
30 B
8 C
4 B. -12. 1048
34 D. +18. 1066
23 D -12. 1054
27 A +18. 1072
30 B +12. 1084
4 B
35 D
35 D -6. 1078
33 C +12. 1090
25 A. +6. 1096
18 B
29 B -6. 1090
30 B -12. 1078
27 A
28 B
35 D. +18. 1090
30 B
10 D -12. 1078
13 A. +18. 1096
9 C. +12. 1108. THIS IS MY TARGET REACHED!!
36 D
24 D. -6. 1102
27 A. +12. 1114
22 D. -6. 1108
9. C +12. 1120
35 D. -6. 1114
1. A. +12. 1126
25 A -6. 1120
14 A -12. 1108
11 D
0
8 C
5 B. +18. 1126
33 C
23 D. +12. 1138
20 C
13 A. +6. 1144
4 B
34 D. +6. 1150
15 A
21 C. +6. 1156
36 D
12 D. -6. 1150
15 A. +12. 1162
8. C. +6. 1168
28 B
20. C -6. 1162
10 D. +12. 1174
16 B. +6. 1180
7 C
22 D. +6. 1186
15 A
22 D. -6. 1180
7 C. +12. 1192
20 C. -6. 1186
33. C -12. 1174
4 B
20 C
28 B. -18. 1156
32 C -30. 1126
15 A. +48. 1174
33 C
26 A. -30. 1144
10 D. +48. 1192
18 B +30. 1222
18 B
29 B
18 B
17 B
11 D
36 D -6. 1216
20 C +12. 1228
32 C -6. 1222
1 A +12. 1234
26 A -6. 1228
26 A -12. 1216
25 A
3 A
5 B
23 D
29 B -18. 1998
25 A +30. 1228
0 -18. 1210
14 A -30. 1980
21 C
26 A
6 B +48. 1228
35 D
11 D -30. 1998
20 C +48. 1246
2 A. +30. 1276
8 C
6 B +6. 1282
23 D
34 D. -6. 1276
13 A +12. 1288
35 D -6. 1282
32 C +12. 1294
23 D -6. 1288
27 A +12. 1300
26 A -6. 1294
2 A -12. 1282
36 D
30 B
36 D. -18. 1264
13 A +30. 1294
24 D. -18. 1276
9 C +30. 1306
9 C. -18. 1988
35 d. -30. 1958
7 C. -48. 1918
21 D -78. 1840
0 -126. 1714
13 A + 204. 1918
32 C
16 B
19 C - 126. 1792
19 C -204. 1588
31 C
6 B
17 B -330. 1258
14 A +504. 1762
20 C +330. 2092
20 C
17 B
17 B
30 B -6. 2086
10 D +12. 2098
23 D -6. 2092
32 C +12. 2104
30 B +6. 2110
3 A
11 D +6. 2116
4 A
12 D -6. 2110
6 B +12. 2122
0 -6. 2116
18 B -18. 2098
Could you explain your method more clearly
Thanks
Quote from: joiner29 on Nov 28, 08:49 AM 2016
Could you explain your method more clearly
Thanks
Hi
The streets simply correspond to where they are in their dozen
I.e ....13-15 is in A as is 1-3
34-36 is in D. as is. 22-24
19-21 in C as is 7-9
Just play for non repeat
Hey RD,
What is your hypothetical stop-loss?
I assume playing this blind with the Fibo progression would mean certain death at some point with no stop-loss.
Thanks! Cheers! :thumbsup:
Law
Good question, considering I've yet to lose 50% of BR on any test I've done
But when I do play live I think my aims are to win , between 5-10% of BR , which I think going off past results i don't think is a problem
As for stop/loss
I'm thinking 25% before I'd stop , but like I said with testing, it always seems to recover,
But we all know what happens in real play
I think this is an interesting strategy. I wonder if you have tested some other progressions?
It is really an even chance bet. So one of my favorites are the ladder, here is the progression:
Step 1 = 1-3-2-4
Step 2 = 2-6-4-8
Step 3 = 3-9-6-12
Step 4 = 4-12-8-16
So you move up the ladder when you win and when completing a step you move up to the next step.
If on any step you loose you go back to the first bet on that step.
So for example if you completed the first step and starts on step 2. If you loose you go back to 2 units.
Here is a link to the original thread that talks about the ladder:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=841.0
- Tuddilue
Tuddilue
Thanks for your input, I'll have a look at the progression you advise, however i still cannot get my initial Strategy MM to fail me .....YET !
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BR 1000 Units
Target 20%
30 B
34 D
25 A. +6. 1006
5 B
1. A. -6. 1006
6 B. -12. 994
12. D. +18. 1006
0
5. B
9. C +12 1018
13 A
0 -6. 1012
25 A. -12. 1000
12. D
7 C
3 A. +18. 1018
7 C
25. A. -12. 1006
30. B. +18. 1024
4 B. -12. 1012
32. C. +18. 1030
2 A. +12. 1042
15 A
7 C
21. C. -6. 1036
28 B +12. 1048
20 C. -6. 1042
0. -12. 1030
34 D
9 C
27 B. +18. 1048
6 B
20 C
35 D. +12. 1060
32 C
3 A. +6. 1066
10 D
30 B. +6. 1072
25 A
32 C. +6. 1078
25 A
15 A. -6. 1072
30 B +12. 1084
5 B. -6. 1078
18. B -12. 1066
0 -18. 1048
12 D +30. 1078
30 B
21 C
19 C. -18. 1078
8 C. -30. 1048
1 A
31 C
16 B. +48. 1096
28 B
29 B
7 C
2 A. +30. 1126
21 C
31 C. -6. 1120
8 C -12. 1108
2 A
28 B
12 D. +18. 1126
32 C
12 D. -12. 1114
6 B. +18. 1132
5 B -12. 1120
24 D -18. 1102
0 - 30. 1072
23 D -48. 1024
4 B
36 D
26 A. +78. 1102
11 D
12 D. -48. 1054
5 B. +78. 1132
34 D. -48. 1084
22 D -78. 1006
19 C
36 D
4 B. +126. 1132
18 B
27 B
34 D
2 A. +78. 1210. Target reached
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Quote from: Roulettedevil on Nov 29, 03:45 PM 2016
Tuddilue
Thanks for your input, I'll have a look at the progression you advise, however i still cannot get my initial Strategy MM to fail me .....YET !
Yes if it works why change it?
I always thinks of not having so aggressive progression because that will blow your bankroll.
So the ladder is a more conservative progression that I think would be interesting to test on this strategy.
If this works or others you have more options when starting to play this live.
Start with flatbet -> conservative -> aggressive...
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Nov 29, 04:32 PM 2016
Yes if it works why change it?
I always thinks of not having so aggressive progression because that will blow your bankroll.
So the ladder is a more conservative progression that I think would be interesting to test on this strategy.
If this works or others you have more options when starting to play this live.
Start with flatbet -> conservative -> aggressive...
- Tuddilue
Using the Fibo progression with 20% stop loss, you would need to be able to go 6 steps into it :ex. 1-2-3-5-8-13 (6-12-18-30-48-78 = 192 units=~20% on 1000 unit bankroll) to have a fighting chance to make your 10% or 20% profit before it tanks.
20% stop loss = 1-2-3-5-8-13 (192 units)
30% stop loss = 1-2-3-5-8-13-21 (318 units)
50% stop loss = 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34 (522 units)This is all obviously worse case scenario........but better to be safe.
There is no doubt that this progression + bet selection will tank if played through without any brakes, but with proper mm.......maybe a winner. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the advice guys much appreciated, alot more testing to do before I commit to anything, I really want to see my BR disappear in testing mode to , but you know, I have a feeling it could be a while yet.
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30 B
20 C
26 A. +6. 1006
24 D
19 C. +6. 1012
1 A
31 C -6. 1006
30 B +12. 1018
21 C -6. 1012
4 B -12. 1000
23 D +18. 1018
19 C
5 B +12. 1030
8 C
10 D. +6. 1036
36 D
30 B
25 A. +6. 1042
17 B
8 C. +6. 1048
2 A
16 B. +6. 1054
32 C
36 D. +6. 1060
31 C
10 D -6. 1054
2 A +12. 1066
2 A -6. 1060
22 D -12. 1048
14 A -18. 1030
30 B +30. 1060
28 B -18. 1042
21 D +30. 1072. Option here to start again new high but I'm testing aggressive play
9 C +18. 1090
20 C
1 A
4 B +6. 1096
9 C
4 B.-6. 1090
14 A +12. 1102
7 C +6. 1108
36 D
19 C -6. 1102
19 C -12. 1090
34 D
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26 A. +18. 1108
15 A
31 C
6 B. +12. 1120
3 A
15 A -6. 1114
34 D +12. 1126
23 D -6. 1120
24 D -12. 1108
18 B
20 C
4 B -18. 1090
24 D +30. 1120
34 D -18. 1102
21 C +30. 1132......... option again!
29 B +18. 1150
36 D
26 A. +6. 1156
32 C
15 A. -6. 1150
30 B +12. 1162
14 A -6. 1156
3 A -12. 1144
11 D
6 B
19 C +18. 1162
6 B
29 B -12. 1150
3 A. +18. 1168.......... option
25 A -6. 1162
19 C +12. 1174
16 B +6. 1180
19 C
26 A. 1186
5 B
11 D. 1192
16 B
29 B -6. 1186
15 A +12. 1198
35 D. +6. 1204. TARGET REACHED!
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Tough set but got there again
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27
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Target reached !!
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Target 20%
6 B
27 A
20 C
22 D. +6. 1006
14 A
7 C. +6. 1012
13. A. -6. 1006
15. A. -12. 994
32 C
22 D
20 C. -18. 976
32 C. -30. 946
26 A
25 A
10 D
13 A
20 C. +48. 994
10 D
10 D. -30. 964
32 C. -48. 916
10 D. -78. 838
31 C. -126. 712
18 B. +204. 916
21 C
0. -126. 790
26 A. +204. 994
7 C
12 D
2 A. +126. 1120
2 A
33 C
9 C
1 A
31 C.
32 C. -6. 1114
11 D. +12. 1126
17 B. +6. 1132
9 C
14 A. +6. 1138
11 D
2 A. -6. 1132
24. D. -12. 1120
35 D. -18. 1102
30 B. +30. 1132
25 A. +18. 1150
7 C
22 D. +6. 1156
12 D
18 B
17 B
29 B
7 C
16 B. -6. 1150
6 B -12. 1138
22 D
1 A
2 A. -18. 1120
8 C. +30. 1150
0 -18. 1132
3 A -30. 1102
2 A
1 A
26 A
28 B.
35 D. +48. 1150
18 B
27 A. +30. 1180
29 B
31 C. +6. 1186
29 B
35 D. +6. 1192
17 B
2 A. +6. 1198
7 C
12 D. +6. 1204
9 C
Target reached
This is quick reply as another ride down the A1 coming up.
Been running this over the many bookies recorded games i have.
The only problem i see with using it on bookie FOBT, is once start to play this method, the programmers add to the algorithm, so when it recognises the placement of street bets, it will change the algorithm.
Whilst waiting for those going to hospital, i will go in the local bet fred and give it a try.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 02, 05:13 AM 2016
This is quick reply as another ride down the A1 coming up.
Been running this over the many bookies recorded games i have.
The only problem i see with using it on bookie FOBT, is once start to play this method, the programmers add to the algorithm, so when it recognises the placement of street bets, it will change the algorithm.
Whilst waiting for those going to hospital, i will go in the local bet fred and give it a try.
I would not advise using on any other form of roulette other than live wheels, I believe,and it's only my opinion that RNG are programmed to give you this false sense of doing well,then boom all of a sudden, you cannot get a win, been there done that many times, no live wheels only for me.
No chance to try on Bookies FOBTs yesterday as the NHS had us on the run around,hospital to another hospital.
Flat or Vile gave MMSIP, similar to this idea. But what helps this idea is the speed of the tracking and giving the 18#'s a better spread, streets instead of the double streets. The wait for 4 spins is only 2spins on Devil's street System,
From a relatively small batch of testing 6 steps seems to be the lenght for a win and the Law has posted on this.
Now i don't see this needing any tinkering with as it makes units fast, but watching for 4 spins like AD,DA, then go in is looking promising.
Roulettedevil when in bet mode and from recording you have not seen Mr Green for a while, and you have used 1,2,3 do you consider covering Mr Green for the value of the next bet, so if he should show you would get a win and be able to retrack or rebet?
Zero to me is just another pocket on the wheel, using this system i count it as a loss on betting and ignore if already won on that line, i have thought of maybe covering on the second bet when looking for b2b wins
Yesterday could not give this a try, so on way back from nursing home popped into corals globaldraw.
Now with Laws post i was thinking i'd use £50.00 to stop, using .25p unit, as the old FOBT has a limit of £100.00
To get 200 with the initial £6 stake would need 34 wins, so i think if have 40 spins would have possible 19 bets, so was looking to get 6 wins. As you can see 8 wins,+12. was going to stop at+9.
Said to michelle if could do that all the time be great about 10 minutes.
Well i'm heading to the car and Paddy power is there, yeah come on lets give it try on inspired gaming which always seems harder to win on.
Stick the 3 crisp £20.00 notes in, now here we can see hot and cold numbers plus the zero in last 500 spins, zero was 36 since came in, so with this in mindafter the 2 spins i can start, off to a flyer, then oh dear the run starts, on 4th bet of the run had to cover the bet on zero, well #11 win, So Devil would be in attack mode so 8 unit bet,lose then win, meter not back to start point so attack mode still, 8 unis,then 13 units but remember i'm covering bet for the zero, with 3 units, just as well theres Mr Green. So no bet,still in attack mode so retrack place 8 unit bet and cover for zero, win. +3 for 19 spins.
What a difference between the two shops, but still +15.
Nottophammer
I admire your confidence to play these machine's,i really wish you well in playing them, I'll watch your results with interest, see if I can be persuaded to have a dabble, however for the time being,live only.
Dragonara Casino
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Tough spins today but still ended in profit
Br 1000 units
32 C
1 A
8 C -6
15 A -12. 982
35 D+18. 1000
35 D
2 A
2 A
0
17 B
9 C
14 A
0
24 D +12. 1012
25 A
28 B
1 A -6
27 A -12. 994
7 C
21 C
8 C
24 D
20 C -18
22 D -30. 946
22 D -48. 898
14 A +78. 976
31 C +48. 1024
1 A
35 C -6
22 D +12. 1030
6 B +6. 1036
26 A
6 B -6
33 C +12. 1042
23 D +6. 1048
19 C
20 C -6
20 C -12. 1030
12 D
27 A
1 A -18
35 D -30. 982
30 B +48
17 B 1030
9 C
26 A
14 A -30
34 D +48. 1048
10 D -30
7 C +48. 1066
2 A +30. 1096
30 B
34 D +6. 1102
12 D
19 C
34 D
31 C -6
19 C -12. 1084
33 C
13 A
9 C -18
4 B +30. 1096
17 B -18
19 C -30. 1048
14 A +48. 1096
2 A
17 B
30 B
5 B
7 C
15 A +30. 1126
11 D
36 D -6
21 C +12. 1132
28 B +6. 1138
8 C
14 A +6. 1144
8 C
13 A -6
33 C -12. 1126
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Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 03, 04:33 PM 2016
Nottophammer
I admire your confidence to play these machine's,i really wish you well in playing them, I'll watch your results with interest, see if I can be persuaded to have a dabble, however for the time being,live only.
RD at the end of the day,like winkel said, unless they are cheating, the LOTT is present. I see the info Luck of the irish posted in his 500,000 37 spin cycles, 23,24 or 25,0x appear, or just that few +/-.
The bookies are supposedly regulated by the gaming commision, yeah, but the 7,5,3 average comes from the document i collected on played bookie spins, does not matter which shop,supplier, that 7,5,3 is so close to the trot, spins 11-21, 21-30 and 31-40. So when seeing the last 12 0x take 17 spins and that average stood for months and months and only happened twice in the years of collecting those spins, of the games watching for the 26th 0x, going 8 spins has won 96% of the games, so is 1,2,3,4,6,9,13,21 is that the prog. So you see i just dont believe the commision would allow blatant cheating of the british gambling community on FOBT's.
The reason the press pick on this, is that the people who actually play on these machines, do not have a clue how to go about trying to win.
Like Wiggy a member calls them Woodpeckers, i call them plasterers, they just scatter there money over the screen, think about it, the algorithm is giving #'s, now if the 0x's are coming, say 30,0x's have hit in the 60 spins, they usually leave there chips on and if 30 have hit, they are more than likely picking up the repeat, so they say the machine is paying out, but what when the 0x's are not hitting, are they more than likely to be losing as there's less numbers actually in play, so they would then say the machine is cheating,meaning the bookies needs to bring in some money.
Now you have to think if the FOBT (the algorithm) is not giving 0x's, but repeating those that have hit, then someone like Denzie who's into hotties at the moment would be winning.
What I and the public don't know is how the FOBT's get there #, is 1 of the 4 machines getting its own #, or are all 4 machines getting the same # when the button is pushed.
Tonight, now humans think, Winkel posted GUT years ago, i didn't join a forum for years,but eventually i looked at and joined VLS, how long ago can't remember, but i think i asked Turner what is GUT, is it something to do with GUT feeling, he then pointed me to the Gut topic, one look and i belittled it, as there just seemed to be so much to read, so i did not look at it, glad some time later i did. But whilst i was oblivious to GUT, i was working on the thing, now called KTF, which has so much in similar to there averages, i leave it there. But my point is, has the FOBT seen this type of bet already ( Devil's street system) as the human mind must be thinking about different ways to bet for a win.
Was tonights 2 games betting on streets known or are the #'s just coming and one game won easily and the other was just nearly the run from hell?
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Nov 28, 10:38 AM 2016
Law
Good question, considering I've yet to lose 50% of BR on any test I've done
But when I do play live I think my aims are to win , between 5-10% of BR , which I think going off past results i don't think is a problem
As for stop/loss
I'm thinking 25% before I'd stop , but like I said with testing, it always seems to recover,
But we all know what happens in real play
I think that 25% stop-loss/20% win goal is the way to go.
Anything beyond 25% is going to be a major risk as it can go south very quickly and destroy your bankroll.
So far it appears that you are about 2000+ units ahead........looks good! :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 03, 06:49 PM 2016
RD at the end of the day,like winkel said, unless they are cheating, the LOTT is present. I see the info Luck of the irish posted in his 500,000 37 spin cycles, 23,24 or 25,0x appear, or just that few +/-.
The bookies are supposedly regulated by the gaming commision, yeah, but the 7,5,3 average comes from the document i collected on played bookie spins, does not matter which shop,supplier, that 7,5,3 is so close to the trot, spins 11-21, 21-30 and 31-40. So when seeing the last 12 0x take 17 spins and that average stood for months and months and only happened twice in the years of collecting those spins, of the games watching for the 26th 0x, going 8 spins has won 96% of the games, so is 1,2,3,4,6,9,13,21 is that the prog. So you see i just dont believe the commision would allow blatant cheating of the british gambling community on FOBT's.
The reason the press pick on this, is that the people who actually play on these machines, do not have a clue how to go about trying to win.
Like Wiggy a member calls them Woodpeckers, i call them plasterers, they just scatter there money over the screen, think about it, the algorithm is giving #'s, now if the 0x's are coming, say 30,0x's have hit in the 60 spins, they usually leave there chips on and if 30 have hit, they are more than likely picking up the repeat, so they say the machine is paying out, but what when the 0x's are not hitting, are they more than likely to be losing as there's less numbers actually in play, so they would then say the machine is cheating,meaning the bookies needs to bring in some money.
Now you have to think if the FOBT (the algorithm) is not giving 0x's, but repeating those that have hit, then someone like Denzie who's into hotties at the moment would be winning.
What I and the public don't know is how the FOBT's get there #, is 1 of the 4 machines getting its own #, or are all 4 machines getting the same # when the button is pushed.
Tonight, now humans think, Winkel posted GUT years ago, i didn't join a forum for years,but eventually i looked at and joined VLS, how long ago can't remember, but i think i asked Turner what is GUT, is it something to do with GUT feeling, he then pointed me to the Gut topic, one look and i belittled it, as there just seemed to be so much to read, so i did not look at it, glad some time later i did. But whilst i was oblivious to GUT, i was working on the thing, now called KTF, which has so much in similar to there averages, i leave it there. But my point is, has the FOBT seen this type of bet already ( Devil's street system) as the human mind must be thinking about different ways to bet for a win.
Was tonights 2 games betting on streets known or are the #'s just coming and one game won easily and the other was just nearly the run from hell?
Yes Notto the GUT is always present. I for my part always logs in the GUT. So you see that averages is like they just to be. It always the same when trott is not behaving as you want just jump. Then you get a new trott.
I play the street system along side GUT. Just logs in the GUT so I see that everything looks fine. I think that is the winning part. You looks whats going on and if it behaves strange just jump. That works really good :smile:
-Tuddilue
Dragonara Casino
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BR 1000 units
Another up and down session
But again good profit
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17 B
28 B
3 A
20 C
31 C -6. 994
23 D +12. 1006
18 B +6. 1012
34 D
21 C +6. 1018
31 C
8 C
36 D
36 D -6. 1012
23 D -12. 1000
35 D
28 B
36 D -18. 982
25 A +30. 1012
28 B +18. 1030
15 A
9 C +6. 1036
27 A.
19 C. -6. 1030
24 D. +12. 1042
2 A. +6. 1048
23 D
24 D. -6. 1042
9 C. +12. 1054
31 C -6. 1048
8 C -12. 1036
20 C
2 A
8 C -18. 1018
7 C -30. 988
7 C
29 B
0 -48. 940
31 C -78. 862
34 D
14 A
9 C. +126. 988
0
14 A
12 D
4 B. +78. 1066
31 C
5 B. -6. 1060
17 B -12. 1048
33 C
32 C
24 D
31 C
27 A. +18. 1066
9 C
14 A. -12. 1054
19 C -18. 1036
25 A -30. 1006
22 D +48. 1054
31 C. +30. 184
21 C
20 C
33 C
21 C
12 D
26 A +6. 1094
5 B
7 C. +6. 1100
30 B
1 A +6. 1106
16 B
11 D +6. 1112
20 C
24 D -6. 1106
7 C -12. 1094
8 C -18. 1076
6 B +30. 1106
34 D +18. 1124
12 D
18 B
3 A
14 A -6. 1118
1 A -12. 1106
33 C
33 C
32 C
16 B
15 A +18. 1124
3 A
28 B
10 D
26 A. +12. 1136
34 D
2 A. -6. 1130
1 A. -12. 1118
32 C
28 B
18 B -18. 1100
17 B -30. 1070
8 C
29 B
34 D. +48. 1118
36 D
15 A
5 B
8 C. +30. 1148
33 C
1 A
15 A
24 A
36 D
9 C. +6. 1154
16 B
36 D. +6. 1160
26 A.
7 C. +6. 1166
12 D
34 D -6. 1160
1 A +12. 1172
32 C. +6. 1178
16 B
36 D. +6. 1184
22 D
18 B
29 B
5 B
32 C
11 D. +6. 1190
6 B
10 D. -6. 1184
18 B -12. 1172
10 D -18. 1154
8 C.+30. 1184
25 A. +18. 1202. Phe: target reached!
14 A
Keep at it, its going well. Try testing on steves multi player, last night 82 spins made 271 units, not playing truly to your rules, just waited for 4 or 5 spins of losers, then went in, but it does seem like rng to me, not the supposedly live numbers from his players.
oops forgot the spins for you to look over. The Maestro was playing at this time so he might verify.
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RD from #'s 6,9 whats the game play
Just been on MPR to get to 2863 units and these where the spins
18 b
30 b
30 b
18 b
26 a so could we chance going for c,d?
21 c
32 c went for b,d
10 d win got to the 2863 when next play i'll go to 8 with 25 units
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 04, 08:09 AM 2016
6b
9c
30b -6
23d +12
0z -6
23d -12
23d -
24d
24d
28b
28b -18
2a +30 |
RD from #'s 6,9 whats the game play
ok MPR here we go with the 25 unit
well done it got to 3963, i'll put the #'s up soon. Maestro popped in and moved up the units :thumbsup:
6 b
34 d
23 d
36 d
17 b
29 b
34 d
12 d
21 c
3 a
10 d
15 a
27 a
22 d
27 a
19 c
18 b
29 b
14 a
30 b
16 b
1 a
8 c
25 a
30 b
27 a
13 a
3 a
2 a
20 c
23 d
30 b
19 c
28 b
22 d
11 d
12 d
29 b
8 c
16 b
33 c
1 a here i was working out the amount to stop on and missed this the bet on 12 d and would have had the units to stop, so carried on and thought had the chance now going to go down
12 d
14 a
15 a
25 a
2 a
27 a
12 d
15 a
2 a
6 b
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Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 04, 11:43 AM 2016
6 b
34 d
23 d -6
36 d -12
17 b
29 b
34 d
12 d
21 c
3 a
10 d +18
15 a
27 a -12
22 d -18
27 a -30
19 c +48
18 b +30
29 b
14 a
30 b
16 b -6
1 a -12
8 c +18
25 a
30 b +6
27 a
13 a -6
3 a -12
2 a -18
20 c +30
23 d +18
30 b
19 c +6
28 b
22 d +6
11 d
12 d
29 b
8 c +6
16 b
33 c-6
1 a +12
here i was working out the amount to stop on and missed this the bet on 12 d and would have had the units to stop, so carried on and thought had the chance now going to go down
12 d +6
14 a
15 a -6
25 a-12
2 a
27 a
12 d
15 a
2 a -18
6 b +30
6 b |
Well as street system did so well and i mentioned KTF in reply 32 would it get the 50/+50 on these spins
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17th spin
Quote from: nottophammer on Today at 04:43:28 PM
6 b
34 d
23 d -6 1
36 d -12 2
17 b
29 b
34 d
12 d
21 c
3 a
10 d +18 3
15 a
27 a -12 1 ah i went back to 1 forgot its a 1 up and down 1 still got the units at the end
22 d -18
27 a -30
19 c +48
18 b +30
29 b
14 a
30 b
16 b -6
1 a -12
8 c +18
25 a
30 b +6
27 a
13 a -6
3 a -12
2 a -18
20 c +30
23 d +18
30 b
19 c +6
28 b
22 d +6
11 d
12 d
29 b
8 c +6
16 b
33 c-6
1 a +12
here i was working out the amount to stop on and missed this the bet on 12 d and would have had the units to stop, so carried on and thought had the chance now going to go down
12 d +6
14 a
15 a -6
25 a-12
2 a
27 a
12 d
15 a
2 a -18
6 b +30
6 b
This method needs a rate of its own, i'd give it a silver star, if the success rate keeps coming then i'd up it to a gold star.
Is the key part, the wait for 2 different.
On MPR i have just watched the spins and watched the same 2 build and then jump in, but the game posted you can see a,d went from spin 42 till spin 51, so when would one start, 50% stop loss = 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34 (522 units) this is the Law's post, so could 8 spins then go, or just stick to the rules RD gave?
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 04, 01:15 PM 2016
This method needs a rate of its own, i'd give it a silver star, if the success rate keeps coming then i'd up it to a gold star.
Is the key part, the wait for 2 different.
On MPR i have just watched the spins and watched the same 2 build and then jump in, but the game posted you can see a,d went from spin 42 till spin 51, so when would one start, 50% stop loss = 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34 (522 units) this is the Law's post, so could 8 spins then go, or just stick to the rules RD gave?
Personally, I think the 50% loss is just asking for trouble. We've all seen progressions go south looking for a method that is bulletproof.......our own Roulette Hubris :ooh:
I would look at each game as win or lose roughly 20%, so if you win more games than you lose, then you're in the black. :thumbsup:
Just my $.02 8)
French coups
Sunday 4-12-16
Quick test
BR 1000
29 B
3 A
14 A -6. 994
11 D -12. 1006
32 C +6. 1012
6 B
31 C -6. 1006
13 A +12. 1012
34 D +6. 1018
12 D
4 B
16 B
17 B
10 D
11 D-6 1012
17 B -12. 1000
6 B +18. 1018
28 B
15 A
36 D
34 D -6. 1012
18 B +12. 1024
33 C. +6. 1030
13 A
0 -6. 1024
24 D. +12. 1036
2 A
14 A
6 B
3 A
2 A. -6. 1030
21 C +12. 1042
28 B. +6. 1048
11 D
31 C +6. 1054
12 D
23 D -6. 1049
33 C -12. 1037
26 A. +18. 1055
36 D
15 A -6. 1049
13 A -12. 1037
4 B
8 C
22 D. +18. 1055
15 A
7 C. +12. 1067
35 D
35 D -6. 1061
35 D -12. 1049
32 C
23 D
25 A +18 1067
33 C
1 A -6. 1061
36 D +12. 1073
Grassroots memories.
Another run on MPR
3 a
11 d
5 b
26 a
20 c
15 a
19 c
22 d
5 b
4 b
36 d
33 c
20 c
32 c
30 b
25 a
17 b
27 a
21 c
4 b
4 b
17 b
8 c
5 b
10 d
35 d
35 d
19 c
10 d
15 a
10 d
2 a
7 c
31 c
32 c
12 d
8 c
23 d
35 d
10 d
28 b
12 d
7 c
21 c
25 a
14 a
20 c
13 a
1 a
24 d
19 c
11 d
1 a
12 d
24 d
23 d
35 d
36 d had a sweat on here
7 c
16 b
14 b
4 b
19 c
4 b
11 d +434 using units of 5 |
Nottophammer
MPR ??
RNG or live ?
Multi player roulette on the forum
Just finished 152 spins on steves game ,the multi player. It's to late to start the post, it'll be there in the morning :yawn:
keeps a watchful eye, gentlemen! :thumbsup:
Dragonara Casino
Europe/Malta time (04:00 - 07:30)
Today's spins results
20% target reached Yet Again!
29 B
12 D
26 A +6
24 D
3 A -6
19 B +12
14 A -6
31 C +12
8 C -6
33 C -12
6 B
31 C
23 D +18
17 B
2 A +12
25 A
21 C
7 C
30 B
22 D
24 D -6
26 A +12
31 C +6
9 C
10 D
3 A
23 D -6
3 A -12
11 -18
22 -30
25 A
5 B
33 C +48
22 D
28 B +30
19 C
14 A +6
23 D
21 C +6
2 A
12 D +6
1 A
21 C +6
24 D
13 A +6
3 A
23 D
36 D
27 A
0
1 A
32 C
25 A -6
6 B +12
28 B -6
8 C +12
25 A +6
36 D
8 C +6
21 D
7 C -6
15 A +12
22 D +6
11 D
24 D
25 A
36 D -6
27 A -12
16 B +18
31 C
21 C -12
28 B -18
5 B +30
35 D
13 A +18
16 B
17 B -6
0 -12
21 C
32 C
2 A
18 B
3 A -18
33 C +30
27 A -18
5 B +30
0 -18
19 C +30
34 D
24 D
35 D
25 A
19 C +18
32 C
35 D
21 C
25 A +6
6 B
22 D
35 D
15 A
8 C
11 D +6
31 C
36 D -6
28 B +12
32 C +6
16 B
21 C -6
29 B -12
6 B -18
36 D +30
7 C +18. Target reached 20%
4 B
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To everyone is the layout okay, only done gaps to spin 14 and in the gap indicate the bet. Ignore the orange for now
For those who have just found this system
RD
Thanks, the above clears a few points
Heres the 152 spins
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RD is this wrong
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This looks like the worse case scenario to me
Only fault is you bet BC on line 12, when it should have been no bet, not that it would have helped this sequence.
How are these spins generated?
As i understand, these numbers are supplied to steve from players who use is equipment, so should be live spins,
All from the same wheel at the same time? Or is it a combination of different data
OK I've gone totally against my principals and decided to test RNG
William hill Casino
Two short sessions
+202 units
Let's see when the software realises the system is a winner.
Let me see if I can word my thoughts on the bets.
A bet comes from 2 spins, i.e. when we start we have spin1, 2 could be A, C. Bet is B, D, we get A, B, win on B.
Bet is now C, D, win with D, spin 5, as plus, spin 6 no need to bet. Spins 5, 6, are D, C, so bet is for A, B. We get spins 7, 8 D, C, lose. We still show 2 different, so spin 9, 10 will be the same, A, B, we get D, D, now with 2 the same, we have a no bet situation. At this point we have had spins of 2’s.
So spins 11, 12 is tracking for 2 different. Spin 11 is A, now this is the point that needs to be understood, spin 10 is D, part of previous 2 spins, spin 11 is A, giving 2 different, so is D, A, valid as 2 different, but now the 2 spin sequence has changed, could we say we’ve overlapped 2 separate, 2 spin sequences, which is wrong, we have to wait for spin 12 for the chance to see if becomes 2 different.
That’s why I bet spin 12, so I should not have bet at spin 12, but waited for the 2 spin sequence to see if it would become 2 different, which it did, but the next 5 spins remain the same.
So the 2 spin sequences always consist of spin 1, odd and spin 2, even, thus always our 2 spin sequence. 1, 2 - 3, 4 - 5, 6 - 7, 8.
In spins 11-20 at 12 we see C and 13 is C, so as 2 separate 2 spin sequences, we ignore, same for 14&15
I know the above seems daft but we need hard set rules.
A spanner in the works
At spin 11 is the no bet, spin 11-12 now gives A,C so we bet for B,D in spins 13 -14, which is A,C so now would it be a good time to stop, as A,C might continue. Look at spin 53 in the 152 spin game,
53 b
54d 2 spin sequence bet a,c
55d L
56 zero L, so no bet
57 c
58 a bet b,d
59 a L
60 c L could/should one stop here?
61 a L be at 8 units
62 a L 13
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 05, 09:58 AM 2016
OK I've gone totally against my principals and decided to test RNG
William hill Casino
Two short sessions
+202 units
Let's see when the software realises the system is a winner. for the software to realise won't it need the programmers to change it, are you the only player on W.H or multi player, so if they change program for your bet, might they not open up for someone else's method, is it possible for them to cover every known bet scenario
Dont bet at home always go to their shop, which is inspired gaming, atleast the FOBT does show its close to the LOTT, Luck of the Irish's 500,00 cycles. I use to have 60 spins as my record sheet shows, but find best to get of before 40th spin if you can
Of course you adapt these systems to suit your needs and gains, my personal preference is to be a bit more aggressive, my testing so far as all been positive,never once been close to losing BR.
However I think when playing live wheels for real money ,you get the feeling when to be a bit more conservative.
This system WILL win alot more than loses, but that's not to say the first time you play for real, you could get that run of spins that could do a lot of damage before you've started.
I don't think I've played a more profitable system, that's why I really wanted to share it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 11:08 AM 2016
Dont bet at home always go to their shop, which is inspired gaming, atleast the FOBT does show its close to the LOTT, Luck of the Irish's 500,00 cycles. I use to have 60 spins as my record sheet shows, but find best to get of before 40th spin if you can
I will try the FOBT, in my local shop when I get the time :question:
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 05, 11:18 AM 2016I will try the FOBT, in my local shop when I get the time
Heres 60 + spins from William hill, see how you get on with inspired gaming
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So you are taking the last 2 groups and either betting for same or different?
The tests look great, the explanation not so much
RD these again from Steves Multi player, supposed to be live spins. Got from 3963 to 4423 in 55 spins, as near to the rules, did stop if the same 2 came near the end
Ghost reply 58
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 01:52 PM 2016
RD these again from Steves Multi player, supposed to be live spins. Got from 3963 to 4423 in 55 spins, as near to the rules, did stop if the same 2 came near the end
Good going , I'll go through those William hill spins see what they bring.
RD
eyes are tired, but got off to great start then boom
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But there's something for all to see, i remember this game now, i was going for the repeat and i had to work hard to get back level, like Celtic would say they had to come
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Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 05, 02:07 PM 2016
Good going , I'll go through those William hill spins see what they bring.
This is why I won't play F.O.B.T
Even though ended being +342
Target should only be 10% on RNG or F.O.B.T
100BR
4 B
8 C
26 A +6. 106
34 D
7 C. +6. 112
12 D
29 B +6. 118
23 D
32 C +6 124 I personally would have stopped here, just as well !!!!!
18 B
15 A +6 130
20 C
24 D +6. 136
3 A
13 A -6
19 C +12
35 D +6
9 C
19 C -6
31 C -12
9 C
22 D
35 D -18
31 C -30
0. -48
8 C -78
7 C
34 D
22 D -126
15 A +204
22 D -126
17 B +204
5 B -126
13 A +204
18 B -126
6 B -204
6 B
32 C
5 B -330
18 B -534
21 C
36 D
8 B. +864
28 B
1 A
8 C
34 D +534
28 B
15 A +6
32 C
30 B +6
4 B
35 D
34 D
33 C
33 C
28 B
8 C
19 C -6
5 B -12
27 A +18
30 B
10 D +6
4 B
26 A +6
4 B
21 C +6
23 D
25 A +6
1 A
13 A
31 C
4 B +6
20 C
22 D +6
29 B
35 D
These machines IMHO are just to risky!
Thinking about this again, I think 10% of any BR is a very reachable target in any one session.
From tomorrow I'm going to Compound daily at 10% let's see how far we can take it.
I think on a weekly or monthly basis it can provide a nice earner!
Tonight, shortly before i started playing Devils street system - BR - 100u. After a couple of spins i saw rbrbrbrb - somewhere jump into the game and finish the BR 0! At the start he threw 8xrb!? Jesus and Mary! Betvoyager no zero - RNG. One great experience for me! So much for tonight, good night! :o
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 05, 04:51 PM 2016
Thinking about this again, I think 10% of any BR is a very reachable target in any one session.
From tomorrow I'm going to Compound daily at 10% let's see how far we can take it.
I think on a weekly or monthly basis it can provide a nice earner!
For me your street system is ok, for now - 6 x 15%. :thumbsup:
Quote from: blueman on Dec 05, 04:56 PM 2016
Tonight, shortly before i started playing Devils street system - BR - 100u. After a couple of spins i saw rbrbrbrb - somewhere jump into the game and finish the BR 0! At the start he threw 8xrb!? Jesus and Mary! Betvoyager no zero - RNG. One great experience for me! So much for tonight, good night! :o
Said before I'll say it again, you will lose playing RNG!!!
Been there so many times
Random Integer Generator
Here are your random numbers:
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9
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20
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12
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As a science buff I really question random
Can something designed by humans be random
What is random
Day1
Devil's Street System
10-15% Compound daily
Starting BR 1000 units
NON ATTACKING PLAY STOP WHEN IN +
Dragonara Casino
Europe/Malta time (04:00 - 07:30)
THE SPINS FROM HELL !!!!!
3 A
35 D
25 A -6. 994
32 C +12. 1006
21 C -6. 1000
14 A -12. 988
21 C -18. 970
5 B +30. 1000
32 C -18. 982
28 B -30. 952
2 A +48. 1000
27 A
23 D
3 A
11 D -30. 970
30 B +48. 1018. restart
5 B
20 C
0 -6. 1012
17 B -12. 1000
13 A +18. 1018
28 B
Non attacking so restart
29 B -6. 1012
15 A -12. 1000
17 B -18. 982
5 B -30. 952
25 A
14 A
7 C
8 C
25 A
5 B
26 A. -48. 902
3 A -78. 824
16 B
21 C
24 D +126. 950
30 B
23 D -78. 872
10 D -126. 746
18 B
19 C
25 A +204. 950
2 A
15 A
35 D
16 B +126. 1076
34 D
4 B -6. 1070
34 D -12. 1058
23 D -18. 1040
4 B +30. 1010
32 C +48. 1058
28 B
0 -30. 1028
6 B -48. 980
10 D
35 D
34 D
19 C
26 A +78. 1058
14 A
8 C
9 C
18 B
16 B
11 D
9 C
6 B +48. 1106
Target reached !!!!!!!!!
:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 06:40 PM 2016
As a science buff I really question random
Can something designed by humans be random
What is random
RG its not only rng, air ball and live wheels produce ? ? ? 18 0x's
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Air ball
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Air ball even better 0x's
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Why you have to understand what the trot can do :ooh:
He of little faith
Oh yes the 1st 16 are the marquee
Well back to the drawing board, it was good while it lasted .
Yesterday's spins were horrendous, but managed the target, today's from Mortagon, well what can I say.......it was as if it knew the system I was playing!
>:D >:D >:D
Sorry you've got caught, but there is potential with the idea, you just need to have a think, KTF i'm always looking to improve the 0x's.
You say it was as if it knew the system I was playing! is it not a live spin ?
Yes live spins , just a really bad run,but it happens.
I could wait for certain triggers , but that could mean waiting too long ... :question:..thinking thinking
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 07, 06:54 AM 2016
Yes live spins , just a really bad run,but it happens.
I could wait for certain triggers , but that could mean waiting too long ... :question:..thinking thinking
So I assume you used the sudden-death 50% stop loss..........what about using the more reasonable 20% win goal/loss limit?
Using the 20/20, if you just win more games than you lose........you will be ahead.
Cheers! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 07, 09:44 AM 2016
Using the 20/20, if you just win more games than you lose........you will be ahead.
Cheers! :thumbsup:
I will have another play using 20/20 because I still believe I will win more than lose ,on both systems..
Thanks
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 07, 10:31 AM 2016
I will have another play using 20/20 because I still believe I will win more than lose ,on both systems..
Thanks
Dragonara Casino
Europe/Malta time (06:10 - 09:30)
20/20 W/L
BR 1106
3 A
22 D
27 A -6 1100
14 A -12 1088
7 C
36 D
17 B +18 1106
14 A
5 B -12 1094
9 C +18 1112
5 B -6 1106
20 C -12 1094
17 B -18 1076
32 C -30 1046
5 B -48 998
16 B -78 928
17 B
25 A
3 A -126 802 STOP! FOR TODAY! 2 Wins 9 losses
accept the bad day try tomorrow
RD
2 games on the bookies FOBT M2 1st +16.25 and +18.75 on M1
you could check if the Devil would have won.
Not..
Sure could if I can de-code your spins out of your image LOL...
But as long as you know that's all that counts.
I'll run over it for you, post up by morning at the latest :thumbsup:
Machine 2
Looks ok
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I suppose it would be whether up enough units
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Progression from Bayes that would appear to survive all tests so far:
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QuoteIn its usual form, the Labouchere progression starts with string of numbers and aims to make the target by cancelling 2 losses with each win. It can work well, but the stakes get out of hand when you hit losing streaks. One way around this is to break down the strings of numbers (which represent your debt) into smaller "substrings" when the stakes get too high, then work on clearing the substrings. Another way is to use a "divisor" which keeps stakes from getting too high in the first place. The disadvantage is that you need more patience!
The basic idea is to choose a divisor, which is a number greater than or equal to 2 (a divisor of 1 corresponds to the standard labby). Higher divisor = more safety. Using this method involves some work because you need to calculate the current stake from the standard labby string. But it does keep the stakes lower and maintains the same advantage of cancelling 2 losses with each win.
First, a bit of terminology. You need to use what programmers call the "Ceiling" function. In plain English, this just means after dividing one number by another, you round the result UP to the nearest whole number.
e.g. Ceiling(4/3) = 2 because 4/3 = 1.3333 but when rounded up gives 2.
The divisor, call it X, always goes in the bottom part of fraction, and the top of the fraction is the stake which is generated by the standard labby.
The best way to explain is by an example using a divisor of X = 3
1 L 11 stake = 1
1 L 112 stake = 1
1 L 1123 stake = 2 (ceiling(4/3) = 2)
2 L 11234 stake = 2
2 L 112345 stake = 2
2 L 1123456 stake = 3 (ceiling(7/3) = 3)
3 L 11234567 stake = 3
3 L 112345678 stake = 3
3 L 1123456789 stake = 4 (ceiling(10/3) = 4)
4 W 12345678 stake = 3 (ceiling(9/3) = 3)
3 L 123456789 stake = 4 (ceiling(10/3) = 4)
4 W 2345678 stake = 4 (ceiling(10/3) = 4)
4 W 34567 stake = 4 (ceiling(10/3) = 4)
4 L 3456710 stake = 5 (ceiling(13/3) = 5)
5 W 4567 stake = 4 (ceiling(11/3) = 4)
4 W 56 stake = 4 (ceiling(11/3) = 4
4 W *string cleared*
As you see, you only needed a third of the bets won + 1 in order to clear the debt, but with a divisor of 3 your highest stake needed was only 5, instead of 13 if you'd used the standard labby.
If you play around with this, you'll notice that with larger divisors you're left with some units over, and that these accumulate if your bets don't rise above 1 unit. This happens if, for example, you're using a divisor of 5 and you get a series of decisions which don't include 5 or more losses in a row, but the overall number of losses is more than the wins.
Cheers! :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 07, 02:57 PM 2016
Machine 2 Looks ok
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This is my result from your spins
Machine 2
Lads
result +48
22 D
17 B
4 B -6
9 C +12
30 B -6
30 B -12
32 C
30 B
2 A +18
34 D
1 A -6
30 B +12
10 D +6
8 C
13 A +6
32 C
21 C -6
28 B +12
17 B -6
8 C -12
33 C -18
35 D +30
27 A +18
31 C
10 D +6
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 07, 03:21 PM 2016
I suppose it would be whether up enough units
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Again aggressive play
Result
+72
8 C
26 A
8 C -6
1 A-12
3 A -18
26 A-30
31 C
27 A
22 D +48
10 D
31 C
0 Z
25 A
8 C
26 A -30
14 A -48
33 C
30 B
33 C -78
10 D +126
30 B +78
35 D
14 A +6
22 D
23 D -6
1 A-12
16 B+18
23 D
7 C +12
35 D
21 C -6
30 B +12
17 B -6
18 B -12
24 D
16 B
7 C +18
33 C
25 A
25 A
3 A
29 B
31 C +12
26 A
6 B +6
4 B
Hey RD,
I transcribed all of your tests into a win/loss registry to get a better look.
Now to find the right progression to match this bet selection:
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LLWWLLLLLWWLWWLWWLLLLWLWLWWWLLLWLLWWLWWWLL
Reply #35
LWWWLLLWWWLWWLWLLLLLLWWLLWLLLWWWWWWLLLWWLLWWLLLLWWWWWLWWWWLLLWW
Reply #49
LLWLWWLLWLWWWLWWWLLWLLWWLLWLW
Reply #56
WLWLWLLWWLWWLLLLWWWWWWWLWLWWWLWWLLWLLWWLLWLWLWWWWLWWLLLWW
Reply #76????.....missing due to possible RNG
Reply #83
LWLLLWLLWLWLWLLLLLLWLLWWLLLWWLLWW
Reply #91
LLWLWLLLLLLL
Patterns.......Patterns..........Everywhere!!! :thumbsup:
Flat Betting = +49 units........... :ooh:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 07, 11:45 PM 2016
Flat Betting = +49 units........... :ooh:
Always interesting. Was it on one or after all?
- Tuddilue
Don't have access to RX often, but todays spins ive done through RX
carrying on from yesterdays nightmare set
BR 802
20%/20% W/L
As you can see we have today recovered well did not play aggressively restarted when new high
Quote from: tuddilue on Dec 08, 04:02 AM 2016
Always interesting. Was it on one or after all?
- Tuddilue
Total for all games. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 08, 09:11 AM 2016
Total for all games. :thumbsup:
Law if possible, how long would that take, to play all and be +45, with say a 30 second spin like on multi player, Thanks
I suppose it would be possible to see a run like this
A
B
C
D
A
B
C
D
A
B
C
D
A
B
C
D
But we see something like this
C
A
A
D
A
B
C
C
D
B
D
D
A
A
A
C
How likely are we going to see A,B,C,D, OR ANY 4 COMBO REPEAT FOR 16 spins, hope it makes sense
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can you see a 4 combo repeat
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Not here
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Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 08, 09:30 AM 2016
Law if possible, how long would that take, to play all and be +45, with say a 30 second spin like on multi player, Thanks
I would estimate about 1 bet for every 2 spins (roughly) and probably around +10% flat-betting.
So if you had a spin every 30 seconds, then you would have 120 spins per hour = 360 units total betting (6 units to cover bets x 60 bets) x 10% (of 360) = 36 units.
Again.........very rough estimate. I would want to test 100 small games to be sure. :thumbsup:
now this is a live wheel, yes the combo a,b,c,d, but not over 16 spins, also no zero
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Back to RNG
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Now the question is do i post the next sheet
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BR 964 Continued
10%W 20% L
14 A
2 A
35 D
30 C
16 B +6. 970
12 D
27 A +6. 976
29 B
8 C +6. 982
23 D
29 B +6. 988
3 A
30 B -6. 982
9 C +12. 994
6 B -6 988
15 A +12. 1000
13 A -6. 994
5 B -12 982
21 C +18 1000
18 B
36 D +12 1012
31 C
30 B +6. 1018
20 C
15 A +6. 1024
25 A
25 A
0
28 B
22 D
2 A +6. 1030
20 C
25 A -6. 1024
12 D +12. 1036
28 B +6. 1042
7 C
21 C -6 1036
10 D +12. 1048
12 D -6. 1042
16 A +12. 1054
35 D -6. 1048
4 B +12. 1060
34 D -6 1054
24 D -12. 1042
3 A
36 D
20 C +18. 1060
12 D
12 D -12. 1048
2 A +18. 1066 10% target reached
Reply #114 (11/18)(L/W)
WWWWLWLWLLWWWWWLWWLWLWLWLLWLW
Yet another win by flat bet.............+7 units!!! :ooh:
Law
As that been the case for all the sessions ?
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 09, 09:44 AM 2016
Law
As that been the case for all the sessions ?
(Loss/Win)Post #1 (13/21)
+09Reply #1(44/49)
+05Reply #9(24/41)
+17Reply #10(40/52)
+12Reply #11(57/56)
-01Reply #18(23/23)
+00Reply #22(22/31)
+09Reply #23(23/20)
-03Reply #24(17/19)
+02Reply #31(23/19)
-04Reply #35(30/33)
+03Reply #49(14/15)
+01Reply #56(24/33)
+09Reply #76???? NA
Reply #83(21/12)
-09Reply #91(10/2)
-08Reply #114 (11/18)
+07Total : -25 +74 = +49 :thumbsup:
***Say it with me........."conservative progression"!!!*** :xd:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 09, 10:30 AM 2016
(Loss/Win)
Post #1 (13/21) +09
Reply #1(44/49) +05
Reply #9(24/41) +17
Reply #10(40/52) +12
Reply #11(57/56) -01
Reply #18(23/23) +00
Reply #22(22/31) +09
Reply #23(23/20) -03
Reply #24(17/19) +02
Reply #31(23/19) -04
Reply #35(30/33) +03
Reply #49(14/15) +01
Reply #56(24/33) +09
Reply #76???? NA
Reply #83(21/12) -09
Reply #91(10/2) -08
Reply #114 (11/18) +07
Total : -25 +74 = +49 :thumbsup:
***Say it with me........."conservative progression"!!!*** :xd:
Maybe I should continue with this flat betting...mmm
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Flat betting
Loss=43Win =54 +11
19 C
33 C
26 A w
16 C
36 D w
27 A
24 D L
32 C W
27 A W
11 D
19 C W
10 D
30 B W
32 C
30 B L
20 C L
32 C L
36 D W
6 B W
12 D
14 A W
22 D
36 D L
31 C W
1 A W
30 C
24 D W
23 D
10 D
3 A
27 A L
24 D L
22 D L
35 D L
3 A
20 C
25 A L
36 D W
12 D L
9 C W
19 C L
33 C L
29 B
5 B
23 D
34 D
20 C
16 B
32 C L
21 C L
8 C
10 D
27 A w
30 C
30 B W
19 C
27 A W
23 D
9 C W
30 B
14 A W
22 D
32 C W
2 A
20 C L
18 B W
33 C L
25 A W
29 B W
27 A
13 A L
18 B L
2 A L
7 C W
20 C L
17 B W
9 C L
12 D W
33 C L
36 D L
22 D L
20 C L
17 B W
28 B
24 D
19 C
25 A W
28 B
19 C W
35 D
6 B W
7 C
31 C L
1 A W
16 B W
32 C
8 C L
36 D W
3 A W
28 B
27 A L
15 A L
2 A
17 B
36 D W
7 C
8 C L
29 B W
34 D W
34 D
7 C
3 A
20 C L
7 C L
15 A
12 D
6 C W
10 D
2 A W
12 D
18 B W
35 D
32 C W
21 C
11 D
20 C
29 B W
19 C
28 B L
32 C L
21 C L
8 C L
30 B
10 D
1 A W
2 A
11 D
9 C
34 D L
27 A W
27 A L
11 D L
33 C W
8 C
18 B
11 D
21 C W
18 B
18 B L
34 D W
1 A W
20 C
25 A L
5 B W
21 C W
25 A
35 D W
1 A
32 C W
7 C
9 C
26 A
33 C L
35 D W
28 B W
28 B
24 D
10 D
28 B
16 B
21
A couple of extra NB situations and getting to 21 units,
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Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 10, 04:55 AM 2016
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Flat betting
Loss=43Win =53 +10
19 C
33 C
26 A w my mistake no bet here!
16 C
36 D w
27 A
24 D L
32 C W
27 A W
1
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 06:27 AM 2016
A couple of extra NB situations and getting to 21 units,
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why is there no bet on line 110,122 and 215?
Line 110 Nb, as A,B has hit previous 4 spins 104,B, 105,A 107,A 108,B now i no bet as A,B might be trending, same for 122, 215
Something to look at
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 07:07 AM 2016
Line 110 Nb, as A,B has hit previous 4 spins 104,B, 105,A 107,A 108,B now i no bet as A,B might be trending, same for 122, 215
Something to look at
Yes can see the logic in that, makes sense,thanks.....always good to tweak here and there.
NH,
Reply #120
-37 +51 = +14 units Flat Betting!!! :ooh:
Thanks Law, i did not want this topic to fade away, as i think this is the thinking mans roulette bet selection.
As with GUT, Azim said practice,practice. Well this could be the same. The more you test, the more you see how you can be tripped up by 2 of the a,b,c,d trending.
If you are betting and 2 are trending, the question that needs to be asked, is should you follow and for how long? the thinking part that comes from extensive testing.
This is jackpot and quite an eye opener on the trending
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What i like is the ease of tracking, but what we need to do is unlock the trending part, which is the wheel,not the mat
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Seeing this, now looks complicated
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 03:39 PM 2016
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Seeing this, now looks complicated
Agree best not to complicate things, my testing from tomorrow will be slightly different
agreed best keep it simple, but trending is always going to be there.
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A question, early but if we look we see a,c, 3-2 its all square, the method says bet c,d but a,c have more hits, follow or keep to the method, this is the thinking part, what have you seen happen most?
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would been better to follow the trending, as said early days on this.
But now another situation, b,a,a,b is it no bet or c,d again. Again early days, we need to see how trending goes
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 04:14 PM 2016
agreed best keep it simple, but trending is always going to be there.
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A question, early but if we look we see a,c, 3-2 its all square, the method says bet c,d but a,c have more hits, follow or keep to the method, this is the thinking part, what have you seen happen most?
That early in the session I'd personally go with the method.But its a difficult quick decision to make
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 04:21 PM 2016
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would been better to follow the trending, as said early days on this.
But now another situation, b,a,a,b is it no bet or c,d again. Again early days, we need to see how trending goes
In this situation I will now wait till the trend ends
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yes i chose to nb, spin 11 would lose 12 win, but we now need the back to back win
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slowly working down the spins, but talk of trending
Nightmare
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 05:12 PM 2016
Nightmare
We could always decide to play for repeats instead of change
Also this is airball, but those spins gives a lot to think over.
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REPEAT instead of change
BR 1000
+354
-
31 C
19 C
2 A L -6. 994
10 D L. -12. 982
9 C L -18. 964
13 A +30. 994
32 C W +18. 1012
24 D
28 B L -6. 1006
11 D W +12. 1018
23 D W +6. 1024
35 D
11 D
14 A
16 B
18 B
4 B
2 A
11 D L -6. 1018
20 C L -12. 1006
1 A L -18. 988
7 C W +30. 1018
1 A W +18. 1036
21 C
13 A +6. 1042
23 D
18 C L -6. 1036
7 C L -12. 1024
0
24 D
8 C
24 D
0 L
18 B L -18. 1006
17 B
12 D
23 D +30. 1036
16 B
12 D +18. 1054
31 C
34 D +6. 1060
22 D
20 C
31 C
1 A
1 A
18 B
32 C
25 A L -6. 1054
11 D L -12. 1042
21 C L -18. 1024
0
27 A
15 A
21 C
9 C
31 C
2 A
3 A +30. 1054
17 B
33 C -18. 1036
29 B +30. 1066
29 B +18. 1084
24 D
33 C -6. 1078
24 D +12. 1090
21 C +6. 1096
27 A
20 C +6. 1102
24 D
36 D +6. 1108
32 C
28 B -6. 1102
8 C +12. 1114
3 A
3 A
29 B
1 A
5 B +6. 1120
9 C
32 C +6. 1126
28 B
22 D -6. 1120
19 C +12. 1132
24 D +6. 1138
2 A
0 -6. 1132
2 A +12. 1144
9 C
29 B
22 D -6. 1138
27 A -12. 1126
4 B -18. 1108
3 A +30. 1138
11 D -18. 1120
34 D -30. 1090
3 A
10 D
30 B -48. 1042
29 B -78. 964
7 C
4 B
31 C +126. 1090
10 D
29 B -78. 1012
23 D +126. 1138
11 D +78. 1216
10 D
11 D
0
25 A -6. 1206
22 D +12. 1218
3 A +6. 1224
24 D
25 A +6. 1230
10 D
10 D +6. 1236
29 B
24 D +6. 1242
20 C
15 A -6. 1236
7 C -12. 1224
8 C +18. 1242
28 B
25 A -12. 1230
18 B +18. 1248
35 D -12. 1238
33 C -18. 1220
14 A -30. 1190
1 A -48. 1142
29 B
32 C
27 A -78. 1064
4 B +126. 1190
21 C -78. 1112
16 B +126. 1238
33 C +78. 1316
22 D
33 C +6. 1322
28 B
2 A -6. 1316
28 B +12. 1328
20 C -6. 1322
15 A -12. 1310
17 B -18. 1282
11 D -30. 1252
9 C -48. 1204
26 A -78. 1126
32 C +126. 1252
22 D
23 D +78. 1330
28 B
29 B +6. 1336
36 D
13 A -6. 1330
1 A -12. 1318
26 A +18. 1336
0
16 B
33 C
17 B +12. 1348
33 C
33 C +6. 1354
12
Been cooking as Nextyear might say.
This is the nightmare spins, think even thou run out of spins,still plus
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Now Morts #'s, its winning but i've got bored, i'll pick it up again later
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Today's spins I think suited repeats, problem is when do you decide to play with or against,
I think if you play the system as it was meant to play you will win more than you would lose, as long as you can cope with the losses
RD or NH,
Did you notice that even with the losing sequences, that there is very little deviation with the overall W/L record?
For instance, out of 50 bets you would probably not see 2/3 possible losses as with normal 50-50 bet selection.
Keep in mind, that nearly every progression has been created with the 2/3 possible loss in mind over 100 bets, but I would be surprised to see even 1/3 loss over 100 bets using this bet selection. :ooh:
Cheers! :thumbsup:
***Clarification.......sorry. Meant to say that normal worst case scenario = 66% loss over 200 spins, but probably nothing close to that with this betting method***
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REPEATER BR 1000
10%/20% W/L
27 A
31 C
15 A W +6 1006
32 C
26 A W +6 1012
8 C
30 B L -6 1006
29 B L -12 994
2 A
18 B
11 D L -18 976
26 B W +30 1006
4 B W +18 1024
31 C
2 A L -6 1018
28 B W +12 1030
22 D L -6 1024
12 D L -12 1012
3 A
34 D
10 D W +18 1030
22 D
33 C
33 C
23 D
15 A
4 B L -6 1024
23 D W +12 1036
14 A L -6 1030
24 D W +12 1042
1 A W +6 1048
31 C
31 C W +6 1054
11 D
27 A L -6 1048
35 D W +12 1060
0 L -6 1054
26 A W +12 1066
26 A
31 C
18 B L -6 1060
0 L -12 1048
21 C
9 C
23 D
3 A
19 C L -18 1030
35 D W +30 1060
21 C W +18 1078
23 D
13 A L -6 1072
29 B L -12 1060
36 D L -18 1042
29 B W + 30 1072
36 D W + 48 1102 TARGET REACHED
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BR 1000
METHOD PLAY
Winner both ways !!
27
A
31
B
15
A -6. 994
32
B -12. 982
26
A -18. 964
8
C +30. 994
30
B +18. 1012
29
B
2
A
18
B
11
D +6. 1018
26
A
4
B +6. 1024
31
C
2
A +6. 1030
28
B
22
D +6. 1036
12
D
3
A
34
A
10
D
22
D
33
C
33
C
23
D
15
A
4
B +6 1042
23
D
14
A +6. 1048
24
D
1
A -6. 1042
31
C +12. 1054
31
C -6. 1048
11
D +12. 1060
27
A +6. 1066
35
D
0
-6. 1060
26
A -12. 1048
26
A
31
C
18
B +18. 1066
0
21
C
9
C
23
D
3
A
19
C +6. 1072
35
D
21
C -6. 1066
23
D -12. 1054
13
A +18. 1072
29
B
36
D +12. 1084
29
B
36
D -6. 1078
29
B -12. 1066
33
C +18. 1084
10
D
14
A +12. 1096
12
D
0
-6. 1090
18
B +12. 1102. TARGET REACHED
2
Reply #144
+15 -15 = 00
Reply #145
+17 -12 = +05 :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 12, 06:44 PM 2016
Reply #144
+15 -15 = 00
Reply #145
+17 -12 = +05 :thumbsup:
Law
i take it thats flat betting ?
something i tend not to do, dont know why :ooh:
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Interesting, both played at same time both win
who wants to join me in Monte Carlo!
BR 1000
REPEATER ORIGINAL
25 A
12 D
33 C -6 +6 1006
20 C -12 982
6 B
19 C
9 C +18 1000 -6 1000
29 B -12 988
35 D -12 988 +18 1006
10 D -18 970
5 B
11 D
10 D +30 1000 -12 994
12 D -18 976
23 D
30 C
27 A -18 982 +30 1006
20 C +30 1012
0 -6 1006 -18 988
17 B -12 994 -30 958
0
18
33 C
5 B
25 A -18 976 +48 1006
33 C +30 1006
0 -18 988 -30 976
1 A +30 1018 -48 928
15 A
27 A
30 B
20 C
14 A -6 1012 +78 1006
3 A -12 1000
33 C
26 A
36 D -18 982 +48 1054
15 A +30 1012
28 B -18 994 +6 1060
14 A +30 1024
28 B +6 1030 -6 1054
11 D +12 1066
22 D +6 1036 -6 1060
3 A +12 1072
32 C -6 1030 +6 1078
31 C -12 1018
1 A
11 D
20 C -18 1000 +6 1084
26 A +30 1030
14 A +18 1048 -6 1078
19 C -12 1066
9 C +6 1054 -18 1048
6 B +30 1078
3 A -6 1048 +18 1096
3 A -12 1036
15 A
26 A
28 B
30 B
21 C
4 B
28 B +18 1054 -6 1090
7 C -12 1078
25 A -12 1042 +18 1094
22 D -18 1024
28 B -30 994 +6 1100 TARGET REACHED
30 B -48 946
4 B
0
18 B
20 C
17 B +78 1024
36 D
22 D +48 1072
13 A
28 B -6 1066
7 C -12 1054
13 A -18 1036
31 C +30 1066
36 D -18 1048
13 A +30 1078
28 B -18 1060
34 D +30 1090
28 B +18 1108 TARGET REACHED
19
12
Afternoon RD
Do you play for real dollar this method or still in test mode.
Well had 1&1/2 hrs to kill whilst she in hairdressers. Now Lads game is Ktf +15.5, was going to go home but corals is dragging me in.
So here its just watch time, so i'm marking the streets.
At spin 11,a, then b,b, now ktf is shouting to bet for the 12th 0x, your street sys is showing a,b,b now i was thinking if its going to give the non-hit, where, my conclusion is to bet for streets to repeat, so bet all non-hit and win, yes A repeat.
Meters in plus, just watch,broke even at spin 27. Get clever now, at spin 31 get b for change, also fancied it as b,d not showing much. Got real clever here, not, at spin 35 its b,b,d and KTF is repeating and spin 36 could be 23rd 0x, now for getting about KTF i think its streets d,a how wrong, but KTF is back in focus bet the 15 0x's,L rebet for 2 and win. The street loss is back and meter is plus again.
Now the 60th spin its usally had 30.5 non-hit, so could see 7 more, what are the streets at spin 41 fancy a,d hmm took 5, meter still plus so carry on with a,d. Now watch again, at spin 54 count the totals for a,b,c,d you can see 12,18,10,12 so c, is the bet as not hit for 11 spins, win on c, meter plus. Spin 58, 30th non-hit
But should have just done KTF +59 or 14.75 for the .25p unit
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Ok
I'm calling this my Monte Carlo strategy lol
takes some concentration, drinking alcohol not advised while playing,
it seems to work, but need to go back and test on some bad sessions previously.
stay tuned
Monte Carlo or bust!!!!! (as the saying goes)
Quote from: bleep24 on Dec 14, 03:57 AM 2016
Monte Carlo or bust!!!!! (as the saying goes)
We'll see , but I'm confident
Another test success
More too come
This test result is from the worse spins session i have ,it failed miserably on the original test, but after running out of spins in this session ...it was still in a very very tiny profit, profit is a profit more testing to come.
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 14, 04:16 PM 2016
This test result is from the worse spins session i have ,it failed miserably on the original test, but after running out of spins in this session ...it was still in a very very tiny profit, profit is a profit more testing to come.
+15 Flat Betting!!! :thumbsup:
Quick short session, another profit reached!
Maybe short sessions could prove to be my HG ! >:D
Ive backtested this ..used various other tweaks .....and its not a winner ....still searching for a profitable method
Here are the results from today's spins
Target reached !
Afternoon R666
Exactly 60 minutes on FOBT +10.75 for .25p units. Thought you might use the 80 spins
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perhaps change wins because theres nothing trending A16, B19, C20, D23 Z=2
Will have a play with spins soon as I get home from work! :thumbsup:
Will have a play with spins soon as I get home from work! :thumbsup:
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1st 7 spins, for trend, do we have a trend of a,c 2,3, bet lose, so the trend went.
Now for change, nb, then bet for b,c, - c wins, which is trending? nb. Now a,c have hit 3,2, are a,c going to trend, but the bet for change is b,d - d win change, so it was not trend
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so spin 7 trend lost, but i bet for spin 8 to follow the trend of earlier a,c and lost to change, but it should of not been bet for the trend.
As we see its not trending.
Is b,d going to trend ? with the 2 L's best to reset if hoping for trend to start ?
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Reset and a,c have hit, in the actual game i no-bet, but change won again. But is ac, going to trend 3,1,4,2. it should be n.b. as everything is to close ?
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Actual game i bet for ac L,W. But here if reset it will be n.b. for trend.
But for change it won on B, as we see trend is 3,2,5,2 still to close to say trend ? The reset for 4 spins is 1,1,2.
Can this help with tracking for change or repeat ? when we see change/repeat miss for 5 or even 7 spins
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Brackets (-) 2,3,2,2 18 spins for change 4,4,5,2
So what does it show? Nothing is pulling away so does this still show go for change?
Have seen 2 symbols pull away before, like b,c anyway the 2 sheets are there if you want to see how it plays
Jumped game to Dragonara
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Okay change has won, now its b,b no-bet, X. Its to early to say b is trending, so yes wait.
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now its a,c, so the change bet is b,d. The score is 1,2,2,1 so we can't say its trending yet, or spanner in the works, bet the a,d to keep to the trend for the change bet?
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so change lost. But (bet the a,d to keep to the trend for the change bet?) did win.
Score is 2,2,3,1 to close to say anything is trending, but is the bet to bet change, so to keep the change trend trending, instead of no-bet as a,c,c,a is showing, so would we bet b,d?
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as we see b,b so we could have bet the b,d.
Score 2,4,3,1, still to close to say anything is trending ( 2 symbols pulling away), or is the trend to bet for change.
Off track now, the non-hit score is 9/10, what was the repeat (B), so non-hit are hitting
Now do we say no-bet as b,b or follow the score and bet 4,3 b,c or a,d to catch up and keep the trend for change? although i have the spins i do not know whats coming, so i'd go for a,d as 7 spins are b,c, and 15 non-hit are still to come in a,d, against 12 from b,c but the 1x's are over due
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a,c well a,d did come
Score is 3,4,4,1, now d is falling behind,one quarter of the wheel, is it not due to come? look where the repeat came c.
Even if we reset at spin 8, we'd now have a score of 1,2,1,0, so the trend if we want is change still? Now the bet is b,d for change, d is far back and b is hot at 4, and 2 on reset.
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well the b,d came.
I think you can see what i'm trying to do.
And its not curve fitting :lol:
Not,
These are my results from your F.O.B.T session, if I was playing these I probably would have continued, it would have recovered the loss,.....well it would in "real" play :lol:
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Can you copy the sheet, these just played on multi player +180, watching the score to see the trend
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It gave the impression it was going change, even said to mumbo jumbo devil game is for change +210
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This got to 1920, had a little spell where it seemed it was trending
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 15, 01:21 PM 2016
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Can you copy the sheet, these just played on multi player +180, watching the score to see the trend
Here's the results I would have got with above spin's :wink:
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Thats it for tonight.
Just need to go over old FOBT rng sheets
Something I noticed while going through today's spins, just how many repeat sets we get, maybe we can work on these too!
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 16, 04:19 AM 2016
Something I noticed while going through today's spins, just how many repeat sets we get, maybe we can work on these too!
Here's the results of said spins
wednesday Mum-in-law 90 years, today took her to hospital and got her card marked, lung cancer, so this the only chance today.+6.20 for .20p units, 30 minutes on the old FOBT
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RD and all
I always hear NO RNG but it seems you all practice/test in fun mode. Then seem surprised you lose when in real mode. This is why i record all games i play on Bookies rng, after all this time the averages are same, so it's just how the 37 non-hit come.
Even last night the Devil street system, was a hard game, why, something trends, by this i mean a symbol starts to hit more, like d, did with alternates on b, with the odd a,c. Then look sheet 4 aa,bb,dd said to the bloke on machine next to me , but guess he didn't have a clue what i was saying, that will it give cc, but we'll never know took the +6.20
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keeps a watchful eye, gentlemen! :thumbsup:
Well for or against
Mr Gold you're a wanker :thumbsup:
RD
Hows todays #'s from Mortagon
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 19, 10:24 AM 2016
RD
Hows todays #'s from Mortagon
Sorry not been around for couple of days,
Here's how I'm playing the spins now, looking for + on both sides
From todays spins a quick 90+
From todays spins, quick profit again
Played against,with or together!
Today's spins provided a fantastic profit, think if I just played one , it would be repeats
RD
Nearly 4 weeks, so do you have a hard set of rules, preference for one way like repeat or change, any particular NB scenario's like ab,ab,ab,??,
Cheers
Notto
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 23, 12:37 PM 2016
RD
Nearly 4 weeks, so do you have a hard set of rules, preference for one way like repeat or change, any particular NB scenario's like ab,ab,ab,??,
Cheers
Notto
If I'm playing just one ,I think I'd choose repeats.
I personally would not change much else.
1. Win first spin ,NB 2nd spin
2. NB on same double streets, AA DD etc
3. 0 counts as loss, but count in a set , I.e. 0 , 32 C
4. Progression 1-2
3-5
8-13
5. Retrack on new BR +
6 Set a win/ loss before start 10%/20% I use
7. Playing both at once will give good results, as proved, but could prove tricky if you can't log spins etc...
Finally I think we can make a few quid with this, but like everything else could go tits up first time.
So have you dipped your toe yet, or still testing.
25 spins from w.hill on FOBT, +25 units watching the trot, i'll put up next 32 from corals again on the FOBT +29
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oh yeah on the w.hill they give hot and cold plus zero, zero showing missed for 37, i was cheap spinning and was surprised it went that long.
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RD
Just a thought at the moment, the go on MPR just now 1st 20 spins was bet for change, the next 20 was repeat made +200 easy
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 23, 01:58 PM 2016
So have you dipped your toe yet, or still testing.
Well I've done all the testing from Mortagon spins, I will now , when time permits, test at Celtic casino on live play, then I will play probably at betfair.
The spins you provided there would have both showed good profit with repeat!
💷💷💷💷💷💷
RD can't see the image
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 07, 05:17 AM 2016
Well back to the drawing board, it was good while it lasted .
Yesterday's spins were horrendous, but managed the target, today's from Mortagon, well what can I say.......it was as if it knew the system I was playing!
>:D >:D >:D
Now i've changed this system to REPEAT i revisited these spins that proved problematic..... ;)
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 26, 05:24 PM 2016
Now i've changed this system to REPEAT i revisited these spins that proved problematic..... ;)
So does that mean that all the W/L results would be reversed................so now with a
negative total using flat-betting? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 26, 10:41 PM 2016
So does that mean that all the W/L results would be reversed................so now with a negative total using flat-betting? :question:
No what RD has found, is if betting for change and its losing, means should be playing for repeat, vice versa.
Now need to find away to see the trend of a,b,c,d, if the score is 12,14,11,5 has this been when repeat is best and 12,10,10,8 is this what a change string looks like.
If repeat is 3 pulling away, like a,b,c and your getting ab-ac-ba then thats win, but the prob is what to do with aa, bb, cc ?
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 27, 04:22 AM 2016
but the prob is what to do with aa, bb, cc ?
This does not cause a problem for me, bb,cc would be left alone till two different
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 27, 04:22 AM 2016
No what RD has found, is if betting for change and its losing, means should be playing for repeat, vice versa.
Now need to find away to see the trend of a,b,c,d, if the score is 12,14,11,5 has this been when repeat is best and 12,10,10,8 is this what a change string looks like.
If repeat is 3 pulling away, like a,b,c and your getting ab-ac-ba then thats win, but the prob is what to do with aa, bb, cc ?
I always fear this type of post because it signals the beginning of the end for a method by essentially saying "change if your strategy goes cold".
Keep in mind gentleman that you have presented a method that currently wins flat-betting.........not sure what more you could ask for here. :ooh:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 27, 10:58 AM 2016
I always fear this type of post because it signals the beginning of the end for a method by essentially saying "change if your strategy goes cold".
Keep in mind gentleman that you have presented a method that currently wins flat-betting.........not sure what more you could ask for here. :ooh:
I keep trying to follow what this thread is saying.
Can you tell me when the method went, in the original post from "aggressive betting"
to flat? Don't want to read 14 pages anymore than I didn't want to figure
the reference to the method in the first post.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 27, 11:21 AM 2016
I keep trying to follow what this thread is saying.
Can you tell me when the method went, in the original post from "aggressive betting"
to flat? Don't want to read 14 pages anymore than I didn't want to figure
the reference to the method in the first post.
The flat-betting was only mentioned by me after seeing the aggressive progression that RD is hell-bent on using for this bet selection.
The original method wins using flat-betting.....no need for a progression. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 27, 01:14 PM 2016
The flat-betting was only mentioned by me after seeing the aggressive progression that RD is hell-bent on using for this bet selection.
The original method wins using flat-betting.....no need for a progression. :thumbsup:
Its the way I play this particular system! and it works! If others want to use FB if it suits them good,
Here is Morts #'s today, is it going to be go for repeat with just 3 hitting? or change. Is it best to wait to see if either way shows ?
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RD
please do not think i'm trying to undermine this bet, personally i like it, but we need to see if theres any pointers in which way to bet, ie, repeat or change. Here i go with repeat, dont look the way but its a bit early in all the spins available. Score is 4,12,7,7,
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Is the score going to show away to go
So hows the score?
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Could we bet the score b,c ?
Looks like b,c but for how long ?
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Today's set was a challenge, but if you would have been brave enough , you would have been well rewarded, I don't think you could expect to many sessions like this, but then again this is ROULETTE!
For those still interested, todays profit for the repeaters 300+
someone show me a more consistant winning system/strategy
Hey RD,
Can you clarify the bet selection at this point?
Are you just looking for repeaters, or making additional adjustments given the flow of the game?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Bet selection is as of original method but looking for a repeat instead of change .
Now I know progressions are not popular among a few players , but for me this particular system does seem to recover any bad runs encountered.
I am currently testing this system with 3000 spins manually, and so far very good, I will post final outcome.
I've probably tried 100's of systems in my roulette days NONE come as close to winning consistently like this does.
So the bet selection and method is the same as the first
message in this thread?
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 28, 11:59 AM 2016
So the bet selection and method is the same as the first
message in this thread?
Sorry my mistake, no the opposite repeat instead of change, just that the hit rate seems slot higher
RD
in the basic topic just posted my RNG visit, going for repeat should win
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 12:41 PM 2016
RD
in the basic topic just posted my RNG visit, going for repeat should win
Yes would have won, how spins is there in total ? Can't desypher your scribbles :wink:
Corals 30 spins 1st column of each box of 10.
paddy 28 spins again 1st column of each box of 10. The circled numbers between the box's are countback for watching the trot.
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 28, 12:04 PM 2016
Sorry my mistake, no the opposite repeat instead of change, just that the hit rate seems slot higher
This might be caused by the "hot numbers" phenomenon. :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 01:24 PM 2016
Corals 30 spins 1st column of each box of 10.
paddy 28 spins again 1st column of each box of 10. The circled numbers between the box's are countback for watching the trot.
Looking at the spins,profit on both sets, what are the minimum base units on streets for these machines, and how much BR would you require?
The machines offer various roulette games.
But they only have one that lets the increments go up in single units, like .25,.50,.75,1.00,1.25,1.50 all the other games go to a pound then jumps to a £2.00 bet.
Its a minimum bet of £1 to be able to spin the image of the wheel. .25p on inside bets, £1 outside, so the Devil sys is £1.50, 6*.25p
BR whatever it takes to get to the max bet of £100.00
thats why i always say i use a .25p unit.
Take today the +66 units although its only £16.50, the plasterers cant or dont see that if you could play with a pound unit it would be +£66 in under 30 minutes, know this as the timer never came up in either shop.
Just on way home from work, nipped into Betfred ,didn't play but watched a while, taking note of numbers, thinking to myself, yep would have won there and there and there,.....but would I ? if I played?
The players I watched just splattered units everywhere ,doh!
Yes plasterers, no idea how to play just plaster the screen and hope. betfred was probably inspired gaming, always seems harder to play, where as global draw seems fairer.
Did you get enough numbers to see if got near to 23,24,or25 non-hit in 37 spins
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 04:22 PM 2016
Yes plasterers, no idea how to play just plaster the screen and hope. betfred was probably inspired gaming, always seems harder to play, where as global draw seems fairer.
Did you get enough numbers to see if got near to 23,24,or25 non-hit in 37 spins
No, didn't note numbers down just played in my head as I watched.
I only have betfred and Ladbrokes local
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 27, 03:33 PM 2016
Looks like b,c but for how long ?
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That's 10 losses and 5 wins. For an even prop bet.
Doesn't that point to playing the other set?
As they want a £1 to spin, i bet 6 ds 6*.25 for £1.50 and if zero not come get the money back, so a cheap spin, but as you can see corals 1st spin zero, so lost £1.50. Thats why i like the Devil sys, 2 spins and could be playing
I'm unclear about the proposed betting. Are we betting the
aggressive progression? Or are we betting in blocks of two
as the data shows?
Money management is up to individual I personally play aggressive.
You do not bet both spins if
1. First spin wins ignore second
2. When two appear together ..AA DD etc
we wait until two different .
3. If 0 appears first bet , counts as loss
if appears 2 nd after win ,again wait for two different.
I could go through today's spins in detail if you wish .
Todays results using 10%/20%
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 29, 03:59 AM 2016
Money management is up to individual I personally play aggressive.
You do not bet both spins if
1. First spin wins ignore second
2. When two appear together ..AA DD etc
we wait until two different .
3. If 0 appears first bet , counts as loss
if appears 2 nd after win ,again wait for two different.
I could go through today's spins in detail if you wish .
Good answer. Thanks
Hello Roulettedevil,
thanks for that "System" with now explaination not play both spins. I really love it.
So if you have:
1 A
4 B
You play for a repeat of A and B two times, correct?
How far did you went wit your progression? 6 Steps?
1,2,3,5,8,12?
Thanks
Hex
Quote from: hexfex82 on Dec 31, 01:31 AM 2016
Hello Roulettedevil,
thanks for that "System" with now explaination not play both spins. I really love it.
So if you have:
1 A
4 B
You play for a repeat of A and B two times, correct?
How far did you went wit your progression? 6 Steps?
1,2,3,5,8,12?
Thanks
Hex
NO, you are not playing both spins, if the first bet wins stop only play second spin if first loses.
see my last reply and download the xlsx file to show you how, kwt me know if you want another example how to play.
You aint go to believe it - Betvoyager NZ (where is my stop loss again- idiot?!)
D
C Now playing repetition with progression 1-2-3 - 5-8-13-21-34-...
A - 1 L
A - 2 L
B - 3 L
B - 5 L
A - 8 L
B -13 L
A -21 L
A -34 L
B -34 L
A - ? L
A - ? L
B - ? L
C - here I put last 2e on number 36 (throws 33)!!
And that's it for tonight. Another sad story about controlling the game and greed ?!Perhaps wake up smarter?? :question:
Google English, sorry.
Hi Blueman,
As William Shakespeare said: to be or not to be. You were playing on Betvoyager NZ so I am not surprised what happened to you. My limited experience of BV was mainly all bad and unbelievable number sequences so I am not saying that it is rigged but you will not catch me within 100 miles of BV. There has been a few posts on here saying they have won on it but how much were they staking and for how long were they playing?
Seems strange that for instance a dozen can miss for 30+ spins on RNG whereas on `Live` play about 10/12 misses seems more like the most.
It is hard enough winning on `Live` play and even then I have thoughts of magnets under wheels. Am I paranoid?
Good luck.
Brian
For now I can not take anything from Betvoyager, no way! >:(
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 05, 05:38 PM 2017
Hi Blueman,
As William Shakespeare said: to be or not to be. You were playing on Betvoyager NZ so I am not surprised what happened to you. My limited experience of BV was mainly all bad and unbelievable number sequences so I am not saying that it is rigged but you will not catch me within 100 miles of BV. There has been a few posts on here saying they have won on it but how much were they staking and for how long were they playing?
Seems strange that for instance a dozen can miss for 30+ spins on RNG whereas on `Live` play about 10/12 misses seems more like the most.
It is hard enough winning on `Live` play and even then I have thoughts of magnets under wheels. Am I paranoid? yes ozzie
Good luck.
Brian
Quote from: blueman on Jan 05, 05:19 PM 2017
You aint go to believe it - Betvoyager NZ (where is my stop loss again- idiot?!)
D
C Now playing repetition with progression 1-2-3 - 5-8-13-21-34-...
A - 1 L
A - 2 L
B - 3 L NB
B - 5 L
A - 8 L NB
B -13 L
A -21 L win
A -34 L
B -34 L NB
A - ? L
A - ? L win
B - ? L
C - here I put last 2e on number 36 (throws 33)!!
And that's it for tonight. Another sad story about controlling the game and greed ?!Perhaps wake up smarter?? :question:
Google English, sorry.
Thats how i see it
Quote from: blueman on Jan 05, 05:19 PM 2017
You aint go to believe it - Betvoyager NZ (where is my stop loss again- idiot?!)
D
C Now playing repetition with progression 1-2-3 - 5-8-13-21-34-...
A - 1 L -6
A - 2 L-12
B - 3 L NB
B - 5 L NB
A - 8 LNB
B -13 LNB
A -21 L +18
A -34 LNB
B -34 LNB
A - ? LNB
A - ? L+6
B - ? LNB
C - here I put last 2e on number 36 (throws 33)!!
And that's it for tonight. Another sad story about controlling the game and greed ?!Perhaps wake up smarter?? :question:
Google English, sorry.
No loss!.......... But why play bet voyager? Stick to live !
Thanks Notto and RDevil, it seems that I have to repeat how to play the system?!
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 29, 03:59 AM 2016
Money management is up to individual I personally play aggressive.
You do not bet both spins if
1. First spin wins ignore second
2. When two appear together ..AA DD etc
we wait until two different .
3. If 0 appears first bet , counts as loss
if appears 2 nd after win ,again wait for two different.
I could go through today's spins in detail if you wish .
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Quote from: gorki on Jan 06, 07:21 AM 2017
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Line 14 #35 ?
As 11,#4 and 12,#5 are BB, line 13,#20 is NB, no bet.
So ? is still no-bet, line 14,#35.
But as 13,14 are CD, makes line 15,#30, bet CD and it's L,L as bet selection changed to bet repeat, not bet change. 2 Ways to play, you decide which way gorki
Is that what you want ?
Once learnt you could play both at the same time!. :wink:
Quote from: nottophammer
Line 14 #35 ?
As 11,#4 and 12,#5 are BB, line 13,#20 is NB, no bet.
So ? is still no-bet, line 14,#35.
But as 13,14 are CD, makes line 15,#30, bet CD and it's L,L as bet selection changed to bet repeat, not bet change. 2 Ways to play, you decide which way gorki
Is that what you want ?
I understood...thank you
Does anyone play this?
Hi,
Yes I am playing this. It is one of the better systems. Most losses consecutively that I have experienced is 4 (From many, many hours of playing this) so if you use original posted prog. you will be: (all x 6) 1 2 3 5 then staking 8 for the win (total staked 114 units) or use the levels prog. posted on here or any other that you like. This system is sound as a pound.
There are some good systems from way back so perhaps we should concentrate on them. Each win is 6 units so you do not need to be betting say £5 per unit. Will probably be ok flat betting but I have not played it that way, or you could just bet twice after a trigger.
Funnily enough I was going to re-open this system myself as I think that it should be introduced to newbies (and people with short memories)
Good luck everyone and a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year,
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Dec 10, 07:55 AM 2017
Hi,
Yes I am playing this. It is one of the better systems. Most losses consecutively that I have experienced is 4 (From many, many hours of playing this) so if you use original posted prog. you will be: (all x 6) 1 2 3 5 then staking 8 for the win (total staked 114 units) or use the levels prog. posted on here or any other that you like. This system is sound as a pound.
There are some good systems from way back so perhaps we should concentrate on them. Each win is 6 units so you do not need to be betting say £5 per unit. Will probably be ok flat betting but I have not played it that way, or you could just bet twice after a trigger.
Funnily enough I was going to re-open this system myself as I think that it should be introduced to newbies (and people with short memories)
Good luck everyone and a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year,
Brian
Excellent!!!, Even though I've not posted for months , I'm still playing this.... playing for repeats not change, and playing at Grosvenor online casino.....live wheels only 0.10p minimum!!,...I hit my target for the day then leave it,.....I've never played a more productive system in 10 years!....
Thanks and a Merry Christmas! :thumbsup:
I think this does well as it is betting random with random in a way that the pattern is not consistent enough to follow a simple trend and the betting coverage even though almost 50% chance is not like high/low, red/black, even/odd...
Does well anywhere, other than on MPR, Bleep try on there
This is my cup of tea
Although now a days I’m invested in crypto currencies
Hey all! Still having trouble figuring out what the bets are here. I get the ABCD methodology in relation to the dozens, but after that I'm completely lost. If we're going to resurrect this method that has so much promise, can anyone lay it out for the uneducated? Thanks so much! Merry Christmas!
Since i read this system i try it.
Yesterday i play only repeat. Win after win i take a rest and come back with winning until one moment it bust my BR.
Today i play "against". Win after win i take a rest and come back with winning until one moment it bust my BR.
Am i have a very very bad luck than you people ??? Or i get fixed ???
I'm playing at PT casino. Thanks.
PT Casino : PlayTech Live Casino. I didn't play RNG.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 27, 02:43 PM 2016
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please do not think i'm trying to undermine this bet, personally i like it, but we need to see if theres any pointers in which way to bet, ie, repeat or change. Here i go with repeat, dont look the way but its a bit early in all the spins available. Score is 4,12,7,7,
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Is the score going to show away to go
this is absolutely true, i already checked all of my casino account and i found that some sequence like this happen. even if we change from repeat to against after 2x Loss or 3x Loss or maybe 1x loss back to back, sometimes it work but sometimes it will not help you. this system is very great but the problem is in the progression since this bet is same to EvenChance bet. and even if we play flatbet, we put our luck on the winning ratio. so, if you keep winning with this system all i can say is you are very lucky not to get caught, you enter the table in the right time even the game is like roller coaster and you leave the table in the right time. the longer you play then you will get the bigger frame of pattern and every pattern is possible to came out everytime.. don't know what to say anymore..
End of the day all systems rely on luck when you join the table, progression wise ,that's open to debate which ever suits the individual and their cash flow,
I treat my bankroll like my betfair systems and simply look for any return of investment, whether it be 2% or 50%....I never ever play too long .
Again I do prefer repeats, just seems a bit more productive
Two thoughts. Alternate for and against. Will it work or be any better? Who knows. Use leveller progression posted on page 2. This should keep your losses more in check
Bleep24
In Australia if you first live in the house then rent it out for no longer than 6 years not necessarily concurrently and as long as you are renting somewhere else for that time and then sell the property no capital gains at all..not bad I guess
Sorry meant for "Greed is good" post, not sure why it ended up here!
Does anyone tried this with the "code 4" idea?
tracking groups, bet against them or for them?
If we bet "against", we need 3 wins for a full recovery (betting flat).
We can play with this a little with some MM.
And I was just wondering about put something similar in my software for sector bets.
Let's see if I will have the time this weekend
Great idea
If you test report back
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 15, 01:03 PM 2017
Great idea
If you test report back
Here are my first 6 sessions with it.
In this case a sessions represent the end with a profit, and then, immediately change table (starting another session).
I've played 6 live tables from Evolution Gaming.
Initial BR: 62â,¬
1 unit = 1â,¬
Total units BR: 62
Total stake per spin: 9 units
1st Game:
C D A
A A A
C A C
Won on first, playing against C.
+ 3 units
2nd GAME
B C C
D D C
C B C
Won on first, playing against B.
+ 3 units
3rd Game:
C C C
C B A
C D C
L W W
W W
Loose first. Won next 4.
+ 3 units
4th Game:
B C A
C B A
D C A
Won on first, playing against B.
+ 3 units
5th Game:
B D A
D C C
B D B
Won on first, playing against B.
+ 3 units
6th Game:
C C B
B C C
A C A
Won on first, playing against C.
+ 3 units
INIT BR: 62Units
Profit: +18 Units
END BR: 80 Units (â,¬)
I know this is almost nothing, but it's the first test.
So play each group (of 9 spins) for any profit.
We can only loose twice to make profit.
As we need 3 wins to recover a loss, 2 losses need 6 games to recover.
Total of 8 games, so only one left to win.
This is why I think We need to stop at any profit.
Same could apply to a stop loss, ie. keep the win / stop loss withing a group (set of 9 games).
I've obviously missed something??
What is this way of playing?
Not what I devised.
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 16, 11:34 AM 2017
I've obviously missed something??
What is this way of playing?
Not what I devised.
Yes, he is not using your method, strictly speaking.
And in case you are not familiar with Code 4, here is the thread that AMK started to discuss it:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.0
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 17, 12:02 AM 2017
Yes, he is not using your method, strictly speaking.
And in case you are not familiar with Code 4, here is the thread that AMK started to discuss it:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.0
Fair enough,but why put it on this thread?
maybe because it's your bet selection?
Don't worry. WIll not happen again.
Sorry.
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 17, 05:39 AM 2017
Fair enough,but why put it on this thread?
Hello Roulette devil
Is it possible to evaluate your system after 2 years now?
kindly regards
ludo8400
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Dec 17, 05:39 AM 2017
Fair enough,but why put it on this thread?
Hello roulettedevil
in annex my excel file for testing devils street. without the zero and flat betting. Nice results.
:)
ludo8400